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<v Speaker 1>And this is Michael Rosenbaum Alex Luthor, and you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Always hold on to Smallville.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Always hold on to Smallville. In this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about each and every episode of the Young

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<v Speaker 2>Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven on the WB and the CW. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Moore, and we're back with another top ten episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, the top ten episodes of Smallville as voted

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<v Speaker 2>by you, the listeners, and this time the number eight

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<v Speaker 2>entry Finale, the series finale. Now, as y'all heard on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast proper in our Finale Part one and Finale

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<v Speaker 2>Part two coverage, we were all pretty critical of the finale,

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<v Speaker 2>but as you might have also heard in our finale

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<v Speaker 2>intermission podcast, a lot of you out there enjoy the finale.

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<v Speaker 2>Even so seeing it here on the top ten list

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<v Speaker 2>was surprising to me. But that's why I open it

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<v Speaker 2>up to the listeners. Right, the people have spoken, and

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of finale as a title, I joked about pilot

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<v Speaker 2>being a very uninspired title, but I also said, in

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<v Speaker 2>its defense, a lot of series title they're pilot pilot.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no proper title for the pilot episode, but for

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<v Speaker 2>a finale, come on finale like now, that is lazy,

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<v Speaker 2>that is uninspired and my mind will never change about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we get into it, let's look back on

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<v Speaker 2>what we gave finale on the letter grade scale on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast Proper. Of course, we split up the finale

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<v Speaker 2>and those discussions into part one and part two, So

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<v Speaker 2>finale Part one had myself, Lance Laster, Caavante, Chillis, Matt Trux,

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<v Speaker 2>and Victoria Malay And here are are grades. I gave

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<v Speaker 2>finale Part one to see, Lance Gay, finale part want

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<v Speaker 2>to see. Gavante gave finale part want to see, Matt

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<v Speaker 2>gave finale part want to see, and Victoria gave Finale

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<v Speaker 2>Part one a C plus, so slightly more positive than us.

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<v Speaker 2>And for Finale Part two that was myself, Lance Laster, Cavante, Chillis,

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<v Speaker 2>and Matt Trux. I gave Finale Part two a C plus,

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<v Speaker 2>Lance Gay Finale Part two a B minus. Gavante gave

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<v Speaker 2>Finale Part two of B minus, and Matt gave Finale

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<v Speaker 2>Part two of B minus. That was interesting, as we

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<v Speaker 2>discussed in those podcasts, separating the episodes out looking at

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<v Speaker 2>them that way, in a way I'd never had before.

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<v Speaker 2>And of the two, despite the egregious choices, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of egregious stories that were made. I'm talking about the costume,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about Lex's memory wipe. On the whole. Part

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<v Speaker 2>two is a better episode than part one. But in

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<v Speaker 2>this top ten episode discussion, for the sake of conversation

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<v Speaker 2>and votes and rankings, I counted the finale as one episode.

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<v Speaker 2>It was aired as one episode, it was intended to

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<v Speaker 2>be watched and consumed as one episode, and that's how

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<v Speaker 2>we kept it in our top ten rankings, and it

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<v Speaker 2>ended up as number eight. And what's interesting here is

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to hear a lot of the same people

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the series finale, So you're gonna hear a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the same takes. You might hear some variations

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<v Speaker 2>or slightly more or less positive or negative angles that

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<v Speaker 2>we all take in this conversation. That's what's interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>me anyway about this conversation, because you're hearing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the same people talk about the same thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>at a different time. Obviously, these were recorded at a

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<v Speaker 2>different time than we discussed the series finale for the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast proper, so a lot of it will sound the same,

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<v Speaker 2>forgive us there, but some of it will be a

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<v Speaker 2>little different, probably a little different gear. So I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that again, its presence on this list reassures all the

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<v Speaker 2>listeners out there who enjoyed the finale and were disappointed

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<v Speaker 2>in our coverage and lack of enthusiasm about it on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast proper. But I also have to apologize because

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<v Speaker 2>most of us are still pretty critical of the same

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<v Speaker 2>things we were in our series finale coverage of Finale

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<v Speaker 2>Part one and Finale Part two. Let's hear us talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it now. I'm again joined by Lance Laster from

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<v Speaker 2>Always hold On to Arrow, Victoria Malay, and Matt Truix

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<v Speaker 2>from Lewis and Clark, the new podcast of Superman and

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<v Speaker 2>many of the podcasts you're on the Always hold On

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<v Speaker 2>To network and Patreon. So without further ado, let's discuss

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<v Speaker 2>the number eight episode of Smallville finale.

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<v Speaker 3>Kids, just don't fall out of Scott. What are you

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<v Speaker 3>trying to tell me?

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<v Speaker 4>Dad?

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<v Speaker 3>Then? From another planet?

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<v Speaker 1>So what are you gonna managed?

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<v Speaker 3>Superman?

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<v Speaker 5>We have the destiny together on the on different side,

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<v Speaker 5>you're super You're here to be forced.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where you.

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<v Speaker 2>Every world needs its heroes.

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<v Speaker 4>Time to become the Luther in the destined to be.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm believing you, God, have you be the hero.

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<v Speaker 2>Finale? First of all, was this on anyone's top ten list?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go first, it's yours. I wasn't on mine? What

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<v Speaker 2>about you?

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<v Speaker 1>It was not on mine?

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<v Speaker 3>No, very very very far from the top ten list.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a noe for me.

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<v Speaker 5>Doc.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, to be fair, I think it was on Matthew Rocus.

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<v Speaker 3>He's winning bingo between us.

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<v Speaker 2>He's I think every single episode is. In fact, did

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<v Speaker 2>I do the math wrong? Am I just using his

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<v Speaker 2>top ten list for this thing? That might be? Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think of finale was gonna be in the

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<v Speaker 2>top ten. If you love the finale, hey, good for you.

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<v Speaker 3>We're sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I am ready to give credit to the finale

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<v Speaker 4>for some good things. I'm not here to shit on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad there's a genuine fan perspective here in the finale.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone had to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Friday to thirteenth, which was an omen in of itself

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<v Speaker 2>that that's when the finale was gonna air. And Lance

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<v Speaker 2>and I removemates of the time, and we sat and

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<v Speaker 2>we watched this, and we were like, we kept looking

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<v Speaker 2>at each other and we're like, he hadn't put the

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<v Speaker 2>suit on yet. There's still time. There's still time. There's

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty minute stuff like, there's still time, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>what are your memories of us watching that together all

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<v Speaker 2>those years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>We just kept waiting for something like to happen, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember both of us going like, all right, here

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<v Speaker 1>we go when like stuff like you know, actually hit

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<v Speaker 1>the fan and like some actions started happening. For much

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<v Speaker 1>of the beginning parts of the episode, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of cwnis going on with the wedding and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So when some stuff started to happen, we were like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, let's go. And then we waited a while

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing happened for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Watched a bunch of montages together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it's like, we spent so much time will

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<v Speaker 2>but then didn't. Where were you, Victoria? You remember the

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<v Speaker 4>It's vaguely because it wasn't live. I watched the first

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<v Speaker 4>episode of season ten live. But it was crazy though,

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<v Speaker 4>because watching it I watched it like last night and today,

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<v Speaker 4>the two two.

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<v Speaker 2>Parter finale part one and finale Part two.

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<v Speaker 4>My problem with it is there were actual moments that

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<v Speaker 4>really I think maybe it's because we watched the pilot

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<v Speaker 4>recently that had me so nostalgic and like really was

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<v Speaker 4>again giving me the feels. But the problem is they

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<v Speaker 4>would just take it two steps too far on everything,

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<v Speaker 4>like the wedding, Like that whole scene where they're reading

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<v Speaker 4>each other's vows is actually like really sweet and I

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<v Speaker 4>know it's CW, but like it's this very interesting, vulnerable

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<v Speaker 4>and honestly something I love, like actually exploring what it

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<v Speaker 4>would be like if you're dating a superhero and having

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<v Speaker 4>to make those kinds of choices. She's like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, I did not like the Roundie

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<v Speaker 4>Rown Merry go round camera work with that, but okay,

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<v Speaker 4>but I was ready to forgive it. We were trying

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<v Speaker 4>to be artsy, we were trying to be creative. There

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't going to be another episode, so we were going

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<v Speaker 4>all out. But then like when they brought up the

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<v Speaker 4>vowels again, I did like the montage during the wedding ceremony.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, what is this show. My jaw was

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<v Speaker 4>on the floor, and like, you know, it's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>if I'm saying, like, let's stop doing close ups of

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<v Speaker 4>Tom mulling space. That's my point. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>this is the wedding is I'm harping on it, but

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<v Speaker 4>like I feel like that was with everything. They just

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<v Speaker 4>had a good idea, but then they would write it

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<v Speaker 4>into the ground. And that's why it was a two

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<v Speaker 4>part episode, because are like, wait, have we written in

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<v Speaker 4>this concept into the ground? No, we need three more

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<v Speaker 4>pages worth of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, all right, good initial thoughts from you, Victoria Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Can you recall when you saw finale? Did you watch

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<v Speaker 2>that faithful Friday the thirteenth in twenty eleven, I did.

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<v Speaker 3>Something marrible to people I was with. I was home,

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<v Speaker 3>like right after college whatever that semester was. A friend

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<v Speaker 3>of mine was down from New York. We were spending

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<v Speaker 3>the weekend. I'm like, sorry, just one thing, Like, we

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<v Speaker 3>have to watch Smallville. It's the finale. It's ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll be great though, he'll become a superman, he'll be awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>You've seen a few episodes, sure, Oh, everything's great. And

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<v Speaker 3>I felt so self conscious watching that episode with my

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<v Speaker 3>oh no, it's terrible. Oh no, it's terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait has anyone else ever felt personally victimized and self

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<v Speaker 4>conscious when watching Smavell with the friends like raise your hands.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, raising my hand on audio? But yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 3>by the third montage, I was like, oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the show that you wanted us to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been watching for ten years, Matt.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and it's Friday nights. They had run out of

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<v Speaker 3>any story. There was like this much story in these

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<v Speaker 3>two hours, and most of it is just like, guess

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<v Speaker 3>what he's gonna do at the end, Guess what it's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do, you know. And then when talk about blue balls,

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<v Speaker 3>like when it finally happens and we're just close on

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<v Speaker 3>his face the entire time, it was just such a.

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<v Speaker 2>When he quote unquote puts on the costume, lifts his hair,

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<v Speaker 2>like cgi costume kind of floating onto his body and

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<v Speaker 2>we stay super tight. That's when we knew. We see

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<v Speaker 2>the Brandon Rause suit in the Fortress, which we saw

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<v Speaker 2>that Martha made for him in the season premiere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, let's let's discuss. Let's discuss that suit. Very briefly,

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<v Speaker 3>because we see the Randon Routh suit at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of season nine and I think the beginning of season

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<v Speaker 3>ten ish. By the time it's later on, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>different s. It's a smoothed out S and the fabrics different,

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<v Speaker 3>like at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, the one that Jonathan gives him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the one that Jonathan gives him. And then just

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<v Speaker 3>that the shirt rip at the end. You know why

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<v Speaker 3>am I acting this out on the podcast? Yeah? Rip?

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<v Speaker 2>That is someone glued a. Superman return s to a

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<v Speaker 2>blue T shirt that Tom Walling was wearing as he

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<v Speaker 2>ran out the roof. Now there were a few rabbit

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<v Speaker 2>holes will go down as we talked through here, but

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<v Speaker 2>the suit is the big I think we can all

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<v Speaker 2>was crushing, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Crushing the nerve crushing. But I was pleasantly surprised that

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like we got more flying than I would

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<v Speaker 4>I was expected.

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<v Speaker 2>Well if it wasn't him, So yeah, that cgi Superman

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<v Speaker 4>I seriously, I literally thought, because I just thought again

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<v Speaker 4>years later, I just thought it was just going to

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<v Speaker 4>I'd seen like that little clip at the end, but

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<v Speaker 4>when he floats, I was like, for me though actually

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<v Speaker 4>exciting because I thought we were literally getting like the selch.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking that last shot. I will say the last scene

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<v Speaker 2>is great John Williams music. You have Lois and and

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<v Speaker 2>then know when election years happened and you have all

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<v Speaker 2>miss Lane, She's like, oh, that is so hot. When

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<v Speaker 2>you say that that was pretty I know.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh my god, finally someone acknowledges.

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<v Speaker 3>Ut for seven years.

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<v Speaker 4>This is my lowest is my woman.

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<v Speaker 2>So we get that a little cute moment and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>kill the minister, how about be a few minutes late.

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes up to the top of the roof.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, they do push it a little too far?

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<v Speaker 2>Like why is it extreme extreme slow motion doraor I

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<v Speaker 3>Doorroh his vest take off? Y?

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<v Speaker 2>You know all that's it's like, okay, we get.

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<v Speaker 4>It as someone who again it's very pro Tom Welling

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<v Speaker 4>taking off his clothing I big big draw smavel for me,

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<v Speaker 4>and of course the amazing storytelling, but everything was just

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<v Speaker 4>taken too far. Like yeah, I also think they used

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<v Speaker 4>slow moo so many times throughout the episodes that you

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<v Speaker 4>were like, by the it had no impact when you

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<v Speaker 4>used it. At the end, you're like, you've you've burned

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<v Speaker 4>this this shot too many times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the worst LOMO of all time in Smallville is

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<v Speaker 2>in this episode, and it's during the wedding when Chloe

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<v Speaker 2>sees the wrong ring and she's like.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I wish.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of love the irony of that, and I

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<v Speaker 4>wish that had been played more than like the stupid

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<v Speaker 4>overwrought drama Apocalypse Cult, because that's that's kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>to me, I love the irony of that. Like she's like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>don't put the ring on because she's trying to save Clark.

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<v Speaker 4>But when everyone else is like, oh my god, she

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<v Speaker 4>still hasn't gone over it exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>We took care of the seven years ago on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, like Chloe, I thought we had our personal growth moment.

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, what all the people in the stands thing,

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<v Speaker 2>the stands, the seats, the audience. Oh okay, this so

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<v Speaker 2>so I got it. Let's finish with the costume and

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll talk on these other things so we can

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<v Speaker 2>go on and on. I know. So yeah, the costume.

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<v Speaker 2>If that ending was the ending of season five or

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<v Speaker 2>even season seven, I would have been like, well done,

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<v Speaker 2>show amazing. You brought it home, all right, But let's

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<v Speaker 2>not forget back. In season nine we already had a

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<v Speaker 2>shirt rip. It was in Warrior, which is an underrated

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<v Speaker 2>episode by the way. They want the warri Rangel where

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<v Speaker 2>they go to the comic con and all that. So

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<v Speaker 2>I watched a couple of scenes on YouTube every now

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<v Speaker 2>and then, which is the Clark and Lex scene. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get the Lex scenes, yeah, and then the last scene

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<v Speaker 2>right where he goes up to the roof and he

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<v Speaker 2>rips open the shirt and so like in little capsules,

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<v Speaker 2>those are great. I really think they are. But it

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<v Speaker 2>just after coming after seeing cgi Superman fly around and

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<v Speaker 2>do things like, it's not very fulfilling to see Clark

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<v Speaker 2>Kent rip open his shirt and have the s on there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's my what do you guys think that's

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<v Speaker 2>a fair opinion to have about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so, especially considering in other seasons we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>him do more super heroic looking things than that at

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<v Speaker 1>the like that we saw in this episode, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in previous seasons as him and as the Blur putting

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<v Speaker 1>the glow back on top of the Daily Planet. That

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<v Speaker 1>was really cool. The train thing, yeah, standing with the flag,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that that we've already seen, the stopping the

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear missile like now season five, you know. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like we've seen like real super cool things already. You

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't give us like something that was like finale worthy,

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<v Speaker 1>like earlier in this season, like in Homecoming we saw him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, stop that explosion the helicopter.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw it again in this episode. Superman's introduction scene

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Hecklin's introduction scene in Supergirl season two, episode one.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what I wanted to be the last scene

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<v Speaker 2>of Smallvillehere he's like almost yes, oh there's a space

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<v Speaker 2>plane and he rips open his shirt, Like I would

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<v Speaker 2>have lost my if that was the last scene of Smallville.

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<v Speaker 2>But instead it was them opening the door, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that was great again. It's great in a capsule,

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<v Speaker 2>but for ten years, you know, it's disappointing. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we can all say, as people who had watched this

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<v Speaker 2>for ten years, we wanted to see one thing when

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<v Speaker 2>to see Clark becomes Superman. Did we get that? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean technically yes, but it was an unfulfilling way of

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<v Speaker 2>getting it right.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of that promise, though, is just inherently seeing Tom

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<v Speaker 3>Welling in a Superman suit, and it's it's the easiest

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<v Speaker 3>part of this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>But also like they sold it to the network with

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<v Speaker 4>no flights, no tights.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they sold it to Tom Welling with no flights,

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<v Speaker 2>no tights, which is the real problem. Like like they've

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<v Speaker 2>been like as the years have gone on, more and

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<v Speaker 2>more has come out about this, right, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we earned it. You know, that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>what our show was about. It's like, Tom, you just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to wear the costume. Like, let's just be

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<v Speaker 2>honest about this, Like like there was a script written

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<v Speaker 2>where he was going to be Superman much earlier, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he was gonna be Superman the whole episode, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I thought it was going to be. But

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<v Speaker 2>he went to Peter Roth and he's like, hey, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think this is our show. We haven't earned it yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they basically changed the script because of Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Willings's preferences. And that's and I think that's why we

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<v Speaker 2>had not much story, because they had to like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to plash the Superman back because we can

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<v Speaker 2>only afford a cgi Superman who's one thousand feet away

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<v Speaker 2>for so much of the episode. And honestly, I really

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<v Speaker 2>do think it's I think two thousand and eleven, Tom

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<v Speaker 2>willing he was burned out. He agreed never to wear

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<v Speaker 2>a Superman costume. He thought he might be typecast. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you played Clark Give for ten years, you're already

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<v Speaker 2>type cast. So I don't understand why that's still a concern.

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<v Speaker 4>I heard that Tom was getting seven figures per at

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<v Speaker 4>the end, was getting like seven figures per episode. What

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<v Speaker 4>you need to pay him because he's number one on

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<v Speaker 4>the call sheet and he's directing and producing at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Seven figures an episode that buys you a Superman suit

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<v Speaker 3>that puts a cape on your back, Like, come on, man.

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<v Speaker 2>We all were on that same page. Dark side. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about dark side. This is kind of a season

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<v Speaker 2>talk two because it's a payoff of the season and

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<v Speaker 2>the series. I was like, Okay, we're gonna have smoke Side, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So we called him on the forums. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they call Side and I'm like, Okay, that's fine

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<v Speaker 2>because it's they gotta save for the series finale. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine. They've never done Dark Side and live action before.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be patient. It's cool. Mike Lyron's side is leis

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<v Speaker 2>his dad on the show. He's been in the season.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he'll do the voice piche' do on the

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<v Speaker 2>animated series. It's all gonna come together. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>still smokes Side for like two scenes, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>possesses zombie Lionel Luther because John Glover's a lot cheaper

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<v Speaker 2>than than a CGI monster of Dark Side, I will

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<v Speaker 2>not true, which is a ridiculous anson. I joke about

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<v Speaker 2>that line for about a year.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh my god, John Glover is like

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<v Speaker 4>a master of the craft, and like, look where we are.

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<v Speaker 4>I just feel like I just got a very strong

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<v Speaker 4>vibe being like, oh my god, Okay, everyone, we can

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<v Speaker 4>do this. It's the last one. Like everyone just dug

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<v Speaker 4>down deep and grounded.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what That's what I always thought. Definitely that

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<v Speaker 3>you were watching it the first time, like seeing that

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<v Speaker 3>that was his last scene, that was John Glovery's last scene.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like, oh man, you're going out like this,

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<v Speaker 3>steally happy to get you back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, this is what we get him back for.

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<v Speaker 1>We get him back for and I will annihilate you.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were watching like oh, well, okay, well he

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<v Speaker 2>flew through the vessel of dark Side. Now he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go put on the Superman costume and fight real dark

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<v Speaker 2>Side and the world will see that Superman and because

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<v Speaker 2>I like what he says to him, He's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>it's easier to hate, but love is stronger than hate.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like, okay, that's a good message. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>good super message. He's hope, he's all that right, He's

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<v Speaker 2>the light. That's what they would talk about this whole season.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all coming back to me watching this. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he flies through Lionel dark Side Zombies line or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>we called him, and then he disperses into crows and

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<v Speaker 2>then that's it. And then he could just goes up

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<v Speaker 2>cgi Superman goes up and pushes the planet away and

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<v Speaker 2>that cures every one of their evil that didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>that that that was very inspiring to the There.

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<v Speaker 4>Was like a thrown where they were like, it's the proximity.

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<v Speaker 4>It's activating everyone. So all he had to do was

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<v Speaker 4>like push.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Superman returns him pushing the continent away while

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<v Speaker 1>a short of Kryptonites in his side. But honestly, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>It was strange because like, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>moments that felt very nineteen seventies Superman, but they were

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<v Speaker 4>not working right. Like they were like, let's do this

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<v Speaker 4>call back, and I'm like, I don't know or and

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<v Speaker 4>I think like the score, and I was just like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think this is quite right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well about the scope, No, no, I will say

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<v Speaker 2>this about score. I love the fact that used the

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<v Speaker 2>Williams music. You hadn't heard it in the show since

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<v Speaker 2>season two. And I like the blur thing like done

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<v Speaker 2>dun dun d d D. But I spent my I

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<v Speaker 2>spent the last five years of the show thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to the finale when they turn that

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<v Speaker 2>into the Supermann, Like I can hear it in my

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<v Speaker 2>head musically, where it's like duh da du like it

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<v Speaker 2>just I need to go.

421
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<v Speaker 1>And yet there is definitely a to mash all of

422
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<v Speaker 1>that up and make it work. These themes and like

423
00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the way that they come together musically,

424
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<v Speaker 1>it makes sense.

425
00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:07.640
<v Speaker 3>We believe in you make this happen.

426
00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:11.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a project of mine for sure. But like it

427
00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:13.359
<v Speaker 1>was good to hear the Williams music, and it was

428
00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:15.519
<v Speaker 1>good to have the actual Smallville themes in there, like

429
00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:17.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the Blur theme, the Clark and Lowis

430
00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>theme was good as well because that one could also

431
00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:22.319
<v Speaker 1>go into the Clark and Lowis like the can You

432
00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Read My Mind theme from the seventies movies, so that

433
00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:27.960
<v Speaker 1>could also get in there as well. But like we

434
00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't kind of like Zach sent was saying, we didn't

435
00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:32.599
<v Speaker 1>really get it, and it's it's unfortunate.

436
00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:34.920
<v Speaker 2>What I wanted was a reorchestration like they did what

437
00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Mark Snow did in season two been said, But I

438
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<v Speaker 2>mean to your point, Victory, like they pushed play on

439
00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the CD, you know, on the track, and it's like

440
00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:44.599
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna loop this. Yeah, last couple of scenes of

441
00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.119
<v Speaker 2>the show. But I will say, like even watching it now,

442
00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.400
<v Speaker 2>like I was like, we were like exchanging some glances

443
00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:51.759
<v Speaker 2>and comments of frustration, but like the end did it

444
00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:53.359
<v Speaker 2>did end on a feel good note when like the

445
00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.000
<v Speaker 2>ass comes out of you like s I got.

446
00:21:55.880 --> 00:22:00.519
<v Speaker 4>The emotional when Chloe ends telling the story to her

447
00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.240
<v Speaker 4>son for me, and I don't know about you guys,

448
00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:05.079
<v Speaker 4>but it's very hard to remember the first time you

449
00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:09.519
<v Speaker 4>heard about Superman because he is so embedded into popular

450
00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:14.039
<v Speaker 4>culture worldwide, and so I liked it, Like it was

451
00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.680
<v Speaker 4>very emotional for me because like I could empathize with

452
00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:19.880
<v Speaker 4>being a kid, like learning about Superman for the first

453
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<v Speaker 4>time and just being in awe and wonder like, so

454
00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:24.160
<v Speaker 4>I thought those like there were some moments that were great,

455
00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:26.880
<v Speaker 4>and then there were some moments yeah, with the score

456
00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.000
<v Speaker 4>and stuff, and I was just like no, no, I

457
00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.279
<v Speaker 4>think that was another thing too that made it. It

458
00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:35.079
<v Speaker 4>was just like consistently bad then fine, but there were

459
00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:38.000
<v Speaker 4>these little moments where they like grasped it, but then

460
00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:40.400
<v Speaker 4>they would like let it go, then they'd drop it.

461
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<v Speaker 2>So let me get this straight. Clark Kent's Life is

462
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<v Speaker 2>a comic book published by DC Comics.

463
00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:49.599
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, because it was a DC comic and like

464
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<v Speaker 4>the DC representation of Superman.

465
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<v Speaker 3>That's what takes me out of it.

466
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't understand the in universe logic of that.

467
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<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts on that tricks?

468
00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:01.119
<v Speaker 3>The universe breaking of it just takes me out of

469
00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:04.039
<v Speaker 3>it completely. I I don't understand why they do the

470
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<v Speaker 3>like I get that, it's I'm so sorry to I

471
00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:09.960
<v Speaker 3>get what you're saying, Victoria, like, I think that's their

472
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.279
<v Speaker 3>intention here, but I'm the weirdo fan. That's just like,

473
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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, do people know he's from Smallville?

474
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Now?

475
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:16.279
<v Speaker 3>You know?

476
00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:16.759
<v Speaker 2>No?

477
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<v Speaker 4>No, no, I think no, No, I think it's I think

478
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:19.799
<v Speaker 4>it's too.

479
00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Pete and Lana are in this comic.

480
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I would I would pay a thousand dollars

481
00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:26.200
<v Speaker 2>to have that issue of that comic.

482
00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:31.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, I don't understand that as a but I

483
00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:36.880
<v Speaker 3>do understand. I understand Superman being a character or a

484
00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:41.400
<v Speaker 3>publishable character in that world. But obviously that's just that's

485
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:44.640
<v Speaker 3>too close. Like they that's his origin story. They wouldn't

486
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<v Speaker 3>do no, like.

487
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:46.680
<v Speaker 4>Someone could pick that up who went to small vill

488
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<v Speaker 4>High and be like this even if they because the

489
00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:50.240
<v Speaker 4>thing I was thinking, I was like, well they change

490
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:51.720
<v Speaker 4>his name or they just refer to him as.

491
00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Kaal El throughout right, like the Spider Man thing.

492
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, or but like I feel like someone could pick

493
00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.240
<v Speaker 4>that up. Who went to small ble Hie be Like

494
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.160
<v Speaker 4>Jesus really sounds like this kid I went to high

495
00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:03.000
<v Speaker 4>school with looks like him too.

496
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

497
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:05.960
<v Speaker 3>We saved everybody and looked all said.

498
00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, not only that, but it's just like Clark was

499
00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.119
<v Speaker 1>like semi famous, Like you know, Clark was a state

500
00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.400
<v Speaker 1>champion high school quarterback. Clark was friends with Lex Luthor

501
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.680
<v Speaker 1>from the Jump. Clark, you know was his name is

502
00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:19.160
<v Speaker 1>on all these police reports that they still have records

503
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>of it that they keep in the small Lildle Police department.

504
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 1>All roads lead to Clark Kent. So if that comic

505
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:26.440
<v Speaker 1>was published, literally everybody knows.

506
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:29.160
<v Speaker 3>He's also still in the public eye as an intrepid

507
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:31.880
<v Speaker 3>reporter for the Daily Plast the greatest Metropolitan but.

508
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:35.359
<v Speaker 4>He wears glasses when he does that, so he's also.

509
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.799
<v Speaker 1>And he's also engaged like the most famous like newswoman

510
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:39.920
<v Speaker 1>like in the world.

511
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:47.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, probably a better Christian amport, probably better.

512
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:51.799
<v Speaker 2>But my favorite line of this entire finale is when

513
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.160
<v Speaker 2>Lois is arguing with that other what's the reporters and

514
00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:59.519
<v Speaker 2>the other one Janet random hot girl and yeah sure, uh.

515
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Lois is like trying to convince her to tell the

516
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.519
<v Speaker 2>president something. She's like, no one's gonna believe you, Lois,

517
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:06.559
<v Speaker 2>and then Lois like she gets a stapler and then

518
00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.680
<v Speaker 2>she knocks her out and she says, I'm sorry I

519
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:10.359
<v Speaker 2>had to do that. I wouldn't have done it if

520
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the world wasn't at stake and you weren't such a bitch.

521
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>That's my favorite line.

522
00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:20.319
<v Speaker 4>Of the feminism feminism women supporting women, Lois freaking call.

523
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Your dad, well, who was not at the wedding?

524
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:24.960
<v Speaker 1>He was not on the He was not at the wedding,

525
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:26.799
<v Speaker 1>but he was also not on the plane. Wasn't he

526
00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:27.640
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be on the plane?

527
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:28.799
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't, thank you?

528
00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.039
<v Speaker 4>And then also he wasn't the president. The president was

529
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:33.039
<v Speaker 4>the secretary.

530
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.799
<v Speaker 3>That was the president. Afterwards, Okay, he like gets out

531
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:39.240
<v Speaker 3>of the bathroom. I guess he was.

532
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>On the toilet the whole time, all right, But she

533
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.079
<v Speaker 1>barges in on the Secretary of Defense, and like earlier

534
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.200
<v Speaker 1>in episode, they're just like, oh, he was whisked away

535
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:48.480
<v Speaker 1>with the joint chiefs, So does that doesn't that mean

536
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:53.799
<v Speaker 1>that he was on the plane, like the bathroom was

537
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:54.319
<v Speaker 1>supposed to.

538
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.559
<v Speaker 4>Be around stressed stressed person. Also, why is she like,

539
00:25:58.599 --> 00:25:59.839
<v Speaker 4>I'm Sam Lane's daughter.

540
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And where's your sister at the wedding? You know,

541
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.599
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about the wedding for a piece of.

542
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 4>Crappy that's been well established.

543
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Why is Clark not wearing his glasses right during this wedding?

544
00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

545
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:16.160
<v Speaker 2>What well the glasses. By the way, the glasses are

546
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:17.720
<v Speaker 2>smaller if you guys notice this. When he got the

547
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.319
<v Speaker 2>glasses in season ten, they were smaller than they were

548
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:22.319
<v Speaker 2>in like season nine and seven when they like hint

549
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:24.480
<v Speaker 2>at some glasses like well it was like okay, it's

550
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:26.680
<v Speaker 2>more than one moment, but they're gonna be smaller. I'm like,

551
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:28.839
<v Speaker 2>why you think he's such a dick about the glasses, man,

552
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Like glasses are in you know, like like I just

553
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>don't understand. And a huge dick move by Clark. I know,

554
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.279
<v Speaker 2>I guess it paid off. Lois is like, come down

555
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.519
<v Speaker 2>the aisle, Clark is not there, so for like she

556
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.279
<v Speaker 2>thinks that he left her at the altar for a

557
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.519
<v Speaker 2>while and then he like swoops in the side. Hey,

558
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:45.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna walk you down there.

559
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:45.440
<v Speaker 3>All.

560
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.039
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was a dick move. Victoria tell me,

561
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:48.960
<v Speaker 2>was that romantic or not?

562
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.279
<v Speaker 4>Okay? I had friends who did this. I mean obviously

563
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:54.039
<v Speaker 4>it was planned, like the groom went and got the

564
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:55.079
<v Speaker 4>bride and walked around the aisle.

565
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was not planned.

566
00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Okay. I'm like, if it's right for the couple's right, well,

567
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.359
<v Speaker 4>because and it's like then fine, I'm not judging it.

568
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 4>I think, well, you know what, here's the thing. It

569
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.039
<v Speaker 4>probably no because he can't use it. I was like,

570
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.240
<v Speaker 4>it was honestly, probably just a blink and then he

571
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:14.279
<v Speaker 4>was there. But I was like, no, we can't use

572
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.359
<v Speaker 4>his spouse in front of a chapel full of people.

573
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Nope, that's how little plot they had that this became

574
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 3>a dramatic turn.

575
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:23.759
<v Speaker 4>And because it also was yeah, I was like, well

576
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:25.680
<v Speaker 4>did they just hype it for like seven and a

577
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:27.599
<v Speaker 4>half minutes and that's why it felt long? And like

578
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 4>he left it and I was like, no, Also, was

579
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:32.799
<v Speaker 4>she supposed to walk by herself? And she I thought

580
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:34.920
<v Speaker 4>she was supposed to walk by herself and then just

581
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.960
<v Speaker 4>like was really nervous and then Clark was there.

582
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Well I thought that too, But then when they make

583
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a point that like Clark is not standing up there,

584
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know. That's what stick out to me

585
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.039
<v Speaker 2>this time. It's crazy that we spend so much time

586
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:48.880
<v Speaker 2>on this wedding and then it doesn't happen, and for

587
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>some reason, the darkness turns the Holy water dark and

588
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:53.720
<v Speaker 2>bubbly it turns into venom.

589
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was just about to say, look like the

590
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:56.400
<v Speaker 1>venom symbiat.

591
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.799
<v Speaker 4>Tom Hardy like comes out of the well.

592
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.240
<v Speaker 2>And then Clark end of part one he fights possessed

593
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Oliver and then the end of part two he fights

594
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.279
<v Speaker 2>possessed zombie Line and Luther. I'm like, come on, this

595
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:10.839
<v Speaker 2>is what we're doing in this series finale.

596
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.480
<v Speaker 4>Also like the fact that he didn't have to. The

597
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.680
<v Speaker 4>way he got the darkness out of Oliver was like

598
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:18.799
<v Speaker 4>I believe in you.

599
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like what, yeah, it's yeah. And also I got

600
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 1>to be the one that asked us where was Pete?

601
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Why was Pete not at this wedding?

602
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.440
<v Speaker 4>Pete hoocked on that kryptonite gum. Yeah, yeah, he wasn't

603
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 4>able to kick it.

604
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.319
<v Speaker 3>Was Pete in jail at the time.

605
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe Sam Jones the third was criminally.

606
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Incarsat recently incarcerated.

607
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, he got out and he's cleaned up

608
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 2>his ax.

609
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 3>He was he was the first to fall in a

610
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:47.240
<v Speaker 3>long line here.

611
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:48.759
<v Speaker 4>Did I tell you guys that I met him an

612
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 4>auditioned with him once? Fun fact, Oh yeah, it was

613
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.119
<v Speaker 4>my first casting internship in la I think it was

614
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.680
<v Speaker 4>the end of the day and everyone wants to go home.

615
00:28:57.759 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 4>But I went up to my casting office, I'm like, oh,

616
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:03.200
<v Speaker 4>that was the season regular on small Though. She's like, okay,

617
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.519
<v Speaker 4>bring him in, and so all these other assistants my god,

618
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 4>which it was probably like a Friday night God, we

619
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.279
<v Speaker 4>just want to get out of here, which I now

620
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.200
<v Speaker 4>fully empathize with. But it was cool, like we brought

621
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 4>him in and then I was the person reading the

622
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 4>script with him, so I got to like have a

623
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.759
<v Speaker 4>little moment with Pete Ross.

624
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:22.240
<v Speaker 3>Cool.

625
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:24.200
<v Speaker 4>I should have been like, do you want some kryptonite

626
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 4>lace scum script?

627
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Night free? Lana was not in this episode at all.

628
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 4>That was endlessly disappointing. What are you doing? Was your

629
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.359
<v Speaker 4>weird beauty of the b show on? At that point?

630
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.079
<v Speaker 3>I think it was, wasn't it? Yeah?

631
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:41.039
<v Speaker 2>But like again, a.

632
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 4>Day of work. It's a day of work.

633
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what capacity, Like, I think in my mind,

634
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought, Okay, if we can get a shot of

635
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 2>like Christian Kuric watching a TV and seeing Superman Save

636
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.240
<v Speaker 2>to Day and not in approval or something why she's

637
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.319
<v Speaker 2>like feeling her Kryptonite necklace which is now clear or

638
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.200
<v Speaker 2>something like that, I would have been happy with that.

639
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 2>In fact, we can we can try a fan out

640
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that one day, we can make that happen. But I'm

641
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:05.039
<v Speaker 2>sure there's some scene in Beating the Beast which she's

642
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 2>watching TV we can use that. But I don't know

643
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:10.720
<v Speaker 2>if remember last time she came on the show in

644
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>season eight, she completely derailed everything and it was terrible,

645
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>classic Lana classic, classic horrible hair. Yes, oh horrible. It's

646
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:20.640
<v Speaker 2>some bad hair too, Chloe hair.

647
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 4>No, but like, oh my god, no, Chloe's hair was

648
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 4>terrible in this. I think Kristen was going through the

649
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 4>phase that like stunningly beautiful women go through where they're like, Okay,

650
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm just something ugly with my hair, because like, I

651
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 4>don't want you to just see how beautiful I am.

652
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.839
<v Speaker 3>Let's try and bangs in the Beatles Bob maybe yeah.

653
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.759
<v Speaker 4>No, seriously, like Scarlett Johanson just got over hers keep going.

654
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just don't know how they would have incorporated

655
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>her because they would have to explain, Hey, I got

656
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>cured of my kryptonite Prometheus suit the Lex made and

657
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 2>then it's like, oh, great that we can be together.

658
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Now forget this wedding with Lows. I guess exactly what.

659
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:54.799
<v Speaker 2>I have no doubt that's what Clark would have done,

660
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 2>because that's what he's done dime after dyme on this show.

661
00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>So it actually was like a blessing in the sky.

662
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:01.160
<v Speaker 2>She didn't want to. I'm sure they asked her. I know,

663
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 2>Welling was like, oh, we got to get Lana back.

664
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.079
<v Speaker 4>What do you want to see for Clark and your

665
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 4>trying to season Clark.

666
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:09.680
<v Speaker 6>And Lex, Clark and Lex, maybe Alana Clark.

667
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Lois the triangle again?

668
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Who knows.

669
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:15.640
<v Speaker 6>I want to see a lot of the people that

670
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 6>we know that the fans dealt and the show come

671
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 6>back and and see those relationships.

672
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 4>What do you think the chances of getting christitted.

673
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.039
<v Speaker 6>Mike back on the Shower, Well, I'd like to think

674
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:29.200
<v Speaker 6>they're good, but I don't. Always my reality sometimes it

675
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:33.480
<v Speaker 6>is different than other realities. But I hope they know

676
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:35.559
<v Speaker 6>that we want them back, and I know, we're gonna

677
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:36.680
<v Speaker 6>do everything we can see in the day.

678
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it was for the best that she was

679
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>not in the episode, although she was all over the flashback,

680
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:45.319
<v Speaker 2>so it was like, you keep who's this woman that

681
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 2>he keeps saving year after year and.

682
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>He's not here?

683
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Just as odd.

684
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I never thought she'd show up.

685
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 4>I missed her. I like your I liked you. Well,

686
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.559
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, well they got lex so they'll get Lana.

687
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 4>I liked your pitch Zach on how to do it?

688
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 4>You just show are kind of like from a distance,

689
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 4>she's observing.

690
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 2>And she's in Paris somewhere.

691
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna write that fanfic, don't you.

692
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 3>Really Natalie Portman grabs some old footage and just throw

693
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.960
<v Speaker 3>her in, right.

694
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>So that's Lana. Another thing we have to talk about

695
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Ghost Dad confusing the weirdest creative choice I have seen

696
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.920
<v Speaker 2>in a television show. Maybe I don't know, Latoria, what

697
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>are your thoughts on ghost Dad?

698
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:37.160
<v Speaker 4>Honestly speechless? What the actual Like I was like at first,

699
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.160
<v Speaker 4>I was like, okay, so it's like happens when he's

700
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 4>like it's his in his mind, like he's talking. I

701
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 4>get that, Like that's a commonly used trope like you know,

702
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 4>you're talking to the character in your mind, and then

703
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.039
<v Speaker 4>like Martha comes in. I'm like, wait did she see

704
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 4>him too? And then and then he said the wedding,

705
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 4>she's kind of looking at him. I was like, wait, what.

706
00:32:58.559 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 3>What?

707
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.559
<v Speaker 4>And then also like we're and then we're the fortress

708
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 4>and like Jarrelle is like he's like, all right, remember

709
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.640
<v Speaker 4>how I've been like the worst for ten years? And

710
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.680
<v Speaker 4>Martha like let's let's let's all give him like some props.

711
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.079
<v Speaker 4>Like so this is such a great I mean, it

712
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 4>was obviously Forest and Harry, but like I was ready

713
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 4>to accept this resolution between Clark and Durell because now,

714
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 4>like again, if I'm going to insert it into like

715
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.079
<v Speaker 4>the Superman's seventies timeline, it's like, now, this is how

716
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:28.000
<v Speaker 4>they got to the point where they have like not

717
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.240
<v Speaker 4>this relationship filled with animosity.

718
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Fine, I know, I just don't understand, like how does

719
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>he give him the suit? Does Martha see him? Does

720
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Clark see him the whole time or does he only

721
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.559
<v Speaker 1>see him that one time? And it's like unclear, It's

722
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.319
<v Speaker 1>all unclear, and it's and it kind of boils down

723
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.759
<v Speaker 1>to you shouldn't have killed off Jonathan kn't if you

724
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 1>wanted him in here this much, you shouldn't have killed him.

725
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.200
<v Speaker 3>Yep, well I explained the magical realism. But like, this

726
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.039
<v Speaker 3>is the same thing that BVS did. Guys, like they

727
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 3>did this.

728
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Just a couple of years ago Smallville exactly.

729
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.519
<v Speaker 3>I know it's oh, it's nuts, but but like it

730
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 3>just it keeps coming up, the fact that they actually

731
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:06.119
<v Speaker 3>let him. It's just no offense. Oh, this seems dangerous.

732
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 3>No offense to the title of this very podcast that

733
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 3>I listened to by myself, even when I'm.

734
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 4>Not on it.

735
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.000
<v Speaker 3>What was the point of that line?

736
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the haters, I'm sorry, but the podcast.

737
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 4>The title is perfect for this podcast. Is it perfect

738
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.199
<v Speaker 4>for the last thing that Jonathan says in a very

739
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.360
<v Speaker 4>contrived weird ghost at situation?

740
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>No, but you know what, But what it does though,

741
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>it gives us a plus one for podcast title set

742
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>an episode. That's what it gives.

743
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:45.039
<v Speaker 3>So it was all did anyone catch the Jirell line

744
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.039
<v Speaker 3>of like, but it was your time in Smallville with

745
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:49.639
<v Speaker 3>Jonathan and Martha Kent and all the other people there,

746
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 3>so like like and the rest, we're not going to

747
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.360
<v Speaker 3>name everybody you know, and Whitney and b Girl.

748
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Sure yeah, Sureriff Adams, I got you, guys, I mean

749
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 2>like you no, no, no, really, like thinking about the

750
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 2>reason the really kick started this podcast was like, oh,

751
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.159
<v Speaker 2>I know I know the name because I remember that

752
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:12.599
<v Speaker 2>line from the show. I was like, that's the perfect

753
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 2>title for a podcast. I always want to do Smallville.

754
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.159
<v Speaker 2>It's meta because the small is the town saw the show.

755
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>But I haven't sooner agree with you guys, because like

756
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:20.679
<v Speaker 2>the John the canty served on a purpose, you would

757
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.079
<v Speaker 2>feel his absence more if he wasn't there instead of

758
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>like being in a geas all the time.

759
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.480
<v Speaker 4>Like except instead of being in like six scenes.

760
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I really want to know what direction they

761
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>gave John Schneider because like it's it's like he's kind

762
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:34.599
<v Speaker 2>of there and he's not. He's on the fringes right,

763
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>but then he decides to like before he like touches

764
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Clark's hand or Martha's shoulder, like he like hesitates and

765
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>like like hmm, I'm gonna do it, like I'm gonna

766
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 2>cross that barrier or something right, And I'm like, who

767
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>are you a spirit? Are you their imagination? Like I

768
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 2>want to know what they told him he was, But

769
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 2>as y'all mentioned earlier, I think my favorite aspect of

770
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.400
<v Speaker 2>ghost Dad was the fact that he changed clothes for

771
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 2>the wedding, like but it was still flannel. It was

772
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 2>just darker, Like he cleaned up nice for the wedding.

773
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.559
<v Speaker 4>It's his fancy flannels aslannel.

774
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I just it's bizarre. It really is so bizarre. So

775
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 2>if Clark, I did like the scene, the little nugget

776
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 2>of a scene when Oliver comes to see Clark he's

777
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 2>in the graveyard. He's like, hey, you know all the

778
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 2>things I remember about graduating, I don't remember anything about

779
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:17.800
<v Speaker 2>the day, so my parents weren't there, right, And he

780
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>tries to connect with them, and Clark's like whatever, because Clark,

781
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.880
<v Speaker 2>that's how he is on the show. But like if

782
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 2>you had seen Martha sitting in the pew and like

783
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>there's that space, like they framed the shot that space

784
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>next to Martha, you'd be like, oh man, that's like

785
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 2>you see like a ray of sunlight going in the

786
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 2>through the window to that spot. That would have been

787
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:35.840
<v Speaker 2>far more effective than than John Schneider just like walking

788
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 2>around like so nice to see John Schneider, but just

789
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>bizarre usage of him. We kind of touched on John Glover.

790
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was unfortunate that we didn't get a

791
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 2>scene between Lex and uh Lionel again, but I understand

792
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.760
<v Speaker 2>that their time was limited. So Chloe was fine, I guess.

793
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean she kind of exited the scene pretty early.

794
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>She said before she left, she said that she's going

795
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.519
<v Speaker 1>to Star City. Where is star City?

796
00:36:59.599 --> 00:36:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Thank you?

797
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Like in regards to Smallville, Kansas?

798
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 3>And what timeframe is it in?

799
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it' supposed to be Seattle, so she's supposed to

800
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 1>go with the there was a little apocalypse happening. She's like,

801
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go to Star City. It's like, girl, what, like,

802
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 1>how are you gonna get there?

803
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 4>I think Chloe's I also, can we all understand Chloe

804
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 4>being like I have done your dirty work and not

805
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:24.400
<v Speaker 4>been loved by you for ten years. If this is

806
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:28.280
<v Speaker 4>how it's gonna happen, then like bye, cool.

807
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I can't say anything. I'm just happy that she

808
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.119
<v Speaker 2>ended up with the Batman of this universe if she

809
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't give the Superman. Is everybody happy with that?

810
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Sure? Absolutely?

811
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

812
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah she.

813
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Earned that.

814
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 4>Justin Hartley, she earned it.

815
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.440
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure that if they made a real green

816
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 2>arrow show, he would n't up with the Black Canary.

817
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they wouldn't make him get with some like

818
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 2>blonde computer hacker person again. But anyway, an itt o'tool.

819
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Clark says the most disrespectful thing he's ever said to

820
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 2>his mom in this episode because he's not gonna sell

821
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.760
<v Speaker 2>the farm, and she's like, I didn't want you to misunderstood.

822
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.920
<v Speaker 2>This is our home. You have to embrace the past.

823
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I'm sorry, mom, but you do have to

824
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.639
<v Speaker 2>move on. Like that was the most condescending jerked your mom?

825
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.679
<v Speaker 2>But an that old tool was. I mean, I liked

826
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 2>her in the episode.

827
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.679
<v Speaker 4>She's always she's always fire and like. Even though there

828
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.400
<v Speaker 4>was one of the most condescending lines in that scene,

829
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 4>it was it was still one of the best acting

830
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 4>scenes in the episode.

831
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 2>In the finale, absolutely it was on Yes, so test Mercer.

832
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, I came to really love Cassidy Freedman's character

833
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:30.280
<v Speaker 2>and in her performance on the show. They really never

834
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>knew what to do with her because they didn't know

835
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 2>if she was good or bad, and they decided to

836
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 2>rick on her and Alexis sister, which I am convinced

837
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 2>they did not know that because they kind of implied

838
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.000
<v Speaker 2>they had like a thing going on, you know, in

839
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.320
<v Speaker 2>season eight, Like I mean Lex, you know, incest, I

840
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know, he's a bad guy. So Game of Thrones

841
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>hashtag finalees topical. I f also bad for Tests in

842
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>this episode because she had no scenes with any other characters.

843
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 2>She's running around trying to save the world. She gets kidnapped.

844
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.239
<v Speaker 2>It was really awesome to see her save herself because

845
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.920
<v Speaker 2>she is a Checkmate trained agent, so on you right,

846
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 2>But then she gets killed by Lex at the end.

847
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.159
<v Speaker 2>So like I felt really bad for Tests, Like what

848
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:08.360
<v Speaker 2>a tragic into this character.

849
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 1>It was just not a good ending for her. It

850
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.400
<v Speaker 1>was just it was very unceremonious, you know what I mean,

851
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Like she's she's just literally by herself and all that

852
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 1>work for nothing.

853
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.519
<v Speaker 3>Basically at least she gets to have the Rosenbaum scene,

854
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, like that that kind of felt like, here's

855
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.559
<v Speaker 3>the promise fulfilled to the fact that she's a luthoriit

856
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 3>it sucked that she he wasn't with Lionel, but it

857
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.320
<v Speaker 3>was nice to see them square off. It was very

858
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.239
<v Speaker 3>strange to see him the scene before talk about his

859
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:35.519
<v Speaker 3>sister that he's never actually met on screen, but I

860
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 3>liked her getting to use that was the gu.

861
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:41.599
<v Speaker 2>Almost were almost there, Victor. Do you have anything to say, Victoria?

862
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:43.599
<v Speaker 3>Okay, sorry so sorry, No, No, it's fine.

863
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 4>I was just gonna say, like, well, it's just like,

864
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.239
<v Speaker 4>who can you afford to kill off? You have to

865
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.559
<v Speaker 4>have some deaths in the fin alley? But like She's

866
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.000
<v Speaker 4>was an invention of the show, right, I think?

867
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>So, well, well, technically, what do you hate Chloye so much? Mad?

868
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Why why you like.

869
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:00.159
<v Speaker 4>That?

870
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 2>We're way past killing Chloe at this point. I know,

871
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 2>at this point, Lex does have a sister in the comics,

872
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Lena Luther. Okay, her middle name is Lena, her name

873
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 2>is Lutessa Lena Luther because Smallville folks. I agree, Matt

874
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.760
<v Speaker 2>her having a rosenbom scene kind of made up for

875
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 2>most of her isolation and tragic end. So let's talk

876
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.519
<v Speaker 2>about it. Lover hate this finale no matter where you

877
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 2>fall in the spectrum. I mean, I have my issues

878
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 2>with it, but it would have been an epic fail

879
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:30.079
<v Speaker 2>on all levels if Rosenbaumen and returns Lex. It's that simple.

880
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Like this show, you can say it's about Clark Lina Lex.

881
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:34.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but Lana kind of fell off. They were

882
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the three main characters at the beginning. But ultimately this

883
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.880
<v Speaker 2>show is about Clark and Lex Clark Kent Lex Luthor,

884
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.639
<v Speaker 2>their journeys to become the Lex Luthor of the comic books,

885
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 2>the greatest roll amount of our time, and then Clark

886
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Kent becoming Superman, and without those parallel journeys, you know,

887
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>what is the point of the show. So yes, he

888
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.079
<v Speaker 2>was gone for a couple of seasons. I actually, you know,

889
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>I love season nine and there's a lot of great

890
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff in season eight, and he had been a presence

891
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.000
<v Speaker 2>in season ten. It was very clever. They didn't really know.

892
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:58.400
<v Speaker 2>They knew they had to get him back. They're like,

893
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna clone him. He's gonna be a case be old.

894
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.639
<v Speaker 2>We don't parallel universes are now in play, like, we

895
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know how we're gonna do it. But there was

896
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.440
<v Speaker 2>enough on the table where they could pull in Alex

897
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Luthor and have him for the finale one way or

898
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:10.840
<v Speaker 2>the other. And that was smart. And you know, up

899
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>to the last minute, they did not think they were

900
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:15.639
<v Speaker 2>gonna get Rosamond back. I mean, like, like I remember

901
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:18.599
<v Speaker 2>the headlines, like Michael Rosamom says no to the finale,

902
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh my god, my life is that

903
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>is over? Like I've wasted ten years of my life.

904
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:25.000
<v Speaker 3>What what is it?

905
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 1>He literally was like this, I can I can confirm.

906
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Hell man.

907
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 3>Like at like several conventions that year, he would just

908
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 3>keep getting asked and like no, guys, I'm sorry and me.

909
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 4>Do you think he was trying to make it a

910
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 4>surprise no money.

911
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.079
<v Speaker 2>That's why they gave him a million dollars or whatever

912
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 2>the hell it was.

913
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:47.679
<v Speaker 3>And I think it was a good move.

914
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:50.280
<v Speaker 4>It was I think it. I think it was a

915
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 4>million dollars.

916
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.599
<v Speaker 1>It's the movie equivalent of like an athlete holding out

917
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.079
<v Speaker 1>from training camp, like they're trying to get that contract.

918
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Higher if Rosamund doesn't come back. First of all, I

919
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know what they do for Lex in the finale,

920
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>some stock footage, some audio looking out the window, reflection,

921
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.760
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, you can fan edit it. It's funny

922
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.079
<v Speaker 2>because because I was sharing a last scene small with

923
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:11.719
<v Speaker 2>some people on YouTube, you know, years ago, and I

924
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 2>show him the last scene it has Lex becoming the president,

925
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 2>and like, oh that's cool with like a fan make this.

926
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:17.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what do you mean. You're like, yeah, well

927
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 2>looks like I mean, good for the fan who ever

928
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.639
<v Speaker 2>made this, but this is clearly like just threw this together, right.

929
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, they filmed this for the actual show.

930
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 2>This is this is legitimate. They're like, you're serious, because

931
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>it does. He was done for a day. So basically

932
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 2>what they did they had him standing from a green

933
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:32.880
<v Speaker 2>screen and turn around, fit on that white suit. Yeah

934
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.079
<v Speaker 2>he's president. Check, and then you have him taking off

935
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.079
<v Speaker 2>the mask. Check. Because I remember in the interviews she

936
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.079
<v Speaker 2>said he did four things. He was there one day

937
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:41.800
<v Speaker 2>and he had four things. I'm like, okay, that's two.

938
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:42.079
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

939
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was a great scene if if you

940
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.679
<v Speaker 2>take out the mind wipe thing, you can actually edit

941
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 2>around it. I've played with this before because he kills

942
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.480
<v Speaker 2>her and then he walks and looks up and looks

943
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:54.400
<v Speaker 2>out the Window're like, oh, that's great because he says,

944
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually saving you from becoming me, which is a

945
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 2>great lex Luthor mentality. I believe lex Or thinks that.

946
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 2>And then and then she has the ultimate dig at

947
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:03.960
<v Speaker 2>and she's like Clark already did that because he hates

948
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Superman and Clark I'm well, that's great, but then she

949
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.519
<v Speaker 2>reaches out with her hand and wipes his face, and

950
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 2>we're like, then they act like we're supposed to know

951
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.400
<v Speaker 2>what this is, which is infuriating. And then they erase

952
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.239
<v Speaker 2>his memory and it's like she's like, what, well I remember?

953
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:20.719
<v Speaker 2>She's like nothing. I'm like, what do you mean?

954
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:21.119
<v Speaker 3>Is he not?

955
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Does he remember? Does he remember anything of his entire life?

956
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Is he a blank slate? Like this? This was in

957
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:30.199
<v Speaker 2>to your point, Victoria. Yeah, they kept trying to like, hey,

958
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 2>we got to make it like it was in the

959
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.760
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight movie or the comic books, like lux doesn't

960
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:35.679
<v Speaker 2>know who Superman is. I'm like, no, you don't need

961
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 2>to do that. You don't have any more story to tell.

962
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 2>You can have Lex Luthor, No Clark a Superman. He

963
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:41.800
<v Speaker 2>already had a brilliant scene. And why I don't know

964
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>why they felt the need to erase his memory. What

965
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:44.119
<v Speaker 2>do you guys think about this?

966
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 1>I just think they were just trying to get to

967
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the status quo, which is that I don't know why,

968
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 1>but I think that's what they were doing. So again, like,

969
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand the reasoning for it, but their reasoning

970
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 1>is like to the people that don't know anything. They're

971
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:57.320
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh, well, Lex Luthor doesn't know his identity.

972
00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.239
<v Speaker 1>It's a secret, so we have to get rid of it.

973
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.000
<v Speaker 1>We have to make him no know somehow, and that's

974
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.559
<v Speaker 1>what they came up with. So obviously I disagree with him,

975
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>and I think we're all in agreement on that, because

976
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's I think that that's just the wrong

977
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 1>move and it makes no sense, especially when they literally

978
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>bring it out a left field for this moment in

979
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the finale, right before it ends.

980
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's pretquel Titus, you know, it's exactly what you're saying.

981
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.920
<v Speaker 3>It's they're feeling hamstrung, being tied into how it should be.

982
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 3>But at that point, we'd already lived whatever two or

983
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:28.039
<v Speaker 3>three years with the fact that okay, he knows now,

984
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:31.079
<v Speaker 3>like that's just what this version of Superman is. So

985
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I was kind of looking forward to how are they

986
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 3>going to set it up so that he can't just,

987
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, get on his loudspeaker and say like Clark

988
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.960
<v Speaker 3>Candon Superman and go from there. But obviously they went

989
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:41.119
<v Speaker 3>the easier way.

990
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.320
<v Speaker 4>Well, and I think, like thinking about that, Matt, I

991
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.039
<v Speaker 4>think they did it in an interesting way too, with

992
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 4>the scene between Clark and Lax because he's like we

993
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 4>need each other or like we are like I'm defined

994
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:57.400
<v Speaker 4>by you. It's like the Magneto Doctor Xavier thing. So

995
00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 4>like they know each other, they have this history and sorry,

996
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm an AVENGERSS girl and not an X Men girl,

997
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 4>and like that history. Like the fact that they shared

998
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.239
<v Speaker 4>a history and we're once friends is like such a

999
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:08.960
<v Speaker 4>huge part of that.

1000
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Are you coming in? Why do you ask questions? Would like, yeah,

1001
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I agree with God, that's the dynamic. I wanted to

1002
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:16.760
<v Speaker 2>see between them absolutely, but.

1003
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, and I know we had a lot of montages,

1004
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:23.239
<v Speaker 4>but for some reason, the Lex Lucia's Memory montage is

1005
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.199
<v Speaker 4>very impactful for me. You know what was not impactful

1006
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:32.039
<v Speaker 4>was the ride at Universal Studios. I felt that I

1007
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:35.920
<v Speaker 4>went on in nineteen eighty seven when dark Side John

1008
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Glover Lionel throws Clark through the barn and then you

1009
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.599
<v Speaker 4>go into his pupil and we literally watched three minutes

1010
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.559
<v Speaker 4>of small Voe clips and the cheesiest music is playing,

1011
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 4>and I just like my skin crawled for Tom Wealling.

1012
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.599
<v Speaker 4>I mean, like think because he's just like looking like

1013
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.320
<v Speaker 4>sid like just like looking now look over here, Tom,

1014
00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:02.159
<v Speaker 4>look over there, look over here, look over there. Why egregious?

1015
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 4>Like everything had been like camp at this point. It

1016
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 4>just had gone into camp and it wasn't like good camp.

1017
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.079
<v Speaker 4>It was bad camp. But I was like, you know,

1018
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:11.880
<v Speaker 4>it's the last one. They're trying to make it super

1019
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 4>many and I feel like they're trying to go for

1020
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.679
<v Speaker 4>the seventy eight comic book vibe. So okay, again, it's

1021
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 4>our last hurrah.

1022
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:19.639
<v Speaker 2>I'll go with it.

1023
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.000
<v Speaker 4>And then they did the clip show and it literally

1024
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:23.840
<v Speaker 4>felt like an amusement park ride, and I was like,

1025
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 4>I can't do this.

1026
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 3>That's a good point on the camp. Like I was thinking,

1027
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:31.360
<v Speaker 3>as it's going, like there are aspects of the Superman

1028
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.239
<v Speaker 3>mythology that, like, I feel like the show thinks are stupid.

1029
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.679
<v Speaker 3>Here it is, you know, like they're really ignoring it.

1030
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 3>And like I liked that last scene, but some of

1031
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.000
<v Speaker 3>that kind of felt like here's your stupid here, you know,

1032
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.239
<v Speaker 3>great Seizar's ghost or whatever, and it's like, no, no, no, no,

1033
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.880
<v Speaker 3>that's a great Caesar's ghost. You know, come on. Yeah,

1034
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.199
<v Speaker 3>good point on the camp, Victoria.

1035
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.159
<v Speaker 2>That's a good nineteen eighty seven Universal Studios. Right, that's

1036
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:56.840
<v Speaker 2>perfect because you're right, it just stops. Like I didn't.

1037
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 2>I like, I was, I know, we were just in

1038
00:46:58.159 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>here watching it right before we recording, and I was like, wait,

1039
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.480
<v Speaker 2>no one says anything. I thought Jirell from I remember,

1040
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought Durell was like narrating or something. But no,

1041
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:09.360
<v Speaker 2>it's just duh, duh, generic hero music and inspiration and

1042
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:11.280
<v Speaker 2>here's the last ten years and who's this line of

1043
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.719
<v Speaker 2>person we've seen? Is it in the episode? But but

1044
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.280
<v Speaker 2>but I was like, you know what do they have

1045
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 2>him saving the dog? And then they had oh it's Crypto.

1046
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.280
<v Speaker 2>All good, okay, so they have him saving Crypto, so

1047
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.719
<v Speaker 2>everything was fine, but he saved the missile, like there

1048
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 2>are some great moments and I'm like, oh that's cool,

1049
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 2>that's cool, But why do they need to show us that?

1050
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean order?

1051
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Also, they put it like all the events were out

1052
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.679
<v Speaker 1>of order, like say things like with Lex's too like

1053
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:36.400
<v Speaker 1>cause I get what they're trying to do, Like you know,

1054
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.280
<v Speaker 1>with Clark, he's going like when his montage is like, oh,

1055
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:41.079
<v Speaker 1>all the moments where he saved the day and all

1056
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 1>his trials leading up to him becoming Superman, And with Lex,

1057
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:45.679
<v Speaker 1>it should have been like all the stuff going backwards

1058
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 1>instead of starting from the beginning and going up to

1059
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:48.719
<v Speaker 1>a certain point. And then all of a sudden it

1060
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh remember all the Lexana stuff, like that's

1061
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:51.599
<v Speaker 1>what happened with lex.

1062
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.159
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what they just throw it in there,

1063
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:55.480
<v Speaker 2>because I think we were also said, well, you know,

1064
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:57.440
<v Speaker 2>at least they're keeping your collage order and then boom,

1065
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.280
<v Speaker 2>it's complete, completely chaos. It's like they were editing or not. Crap,

1066
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.599
<v Speaker 2>we need more clips. Well just put him in at

1067
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 2>the end, you know. And with Lex's we see a

1068
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.960
<v Speaker 2>memory that he never experienced. Is the one with him

1069
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.679
<v Speaker 2>the trench coat outside the fortress that never happened, that

1070
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.159
<v Speaker 2>never he It looks like he got transported there at

1071
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the end of commencement when he's just like in the

1072
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:16.719
<v Speaker 2>snow and he's like, doesn't know what's going on. That

1073
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.880
<v Speaker 2>is not a deleted scene from a quest or Sleeper.

1074
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.280
<v Speaker 2>The trailer for it. You see Lexa to Parka walking

1075
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.199
<v Speaker 2>up to the Fortress of Solitude. That is from the

1076
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.920
<v Speaker 2>deleted scenes from Veritas, which have never released, by the way,

1077
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 2>some of them. But that was gonna be the cliffhanger

1078
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 2>season seven if Veritos was the scene finale, Lex was

1079
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna use find that box in Zurich from season seven,

1080
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 2>open it up, go to the fortress in his parka

1081
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.320
<v Speaker 2>and go in, just like Gene Hackmand in Superman two.

1082
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 2>That was gonna be the cliffhanger of season seven. And

1083
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:42.119
<v Speaker 2>now if Roseman didn't come back after that, I don't

1084
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:43.239
<v Speaker 2>know what the hell they would have done, but that

1085
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 2>was the idea. Rosen mom said he shot some stuff

1086
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.079
<v Speaker 2>out there in the Arctic as well, so I think

1087
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:50.679
<v Speaker 2>maybe for season five they shot Chloe Alex out there.

1088
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:52.280
<v Speaker 2>That's the only thing I can think of, because he's

1089
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.719
<v Speaker 2>wearing the clothes he was in commencement, but he's outside

1090
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:56.320
<v Speaker 2>the I spent a lot of time thinking about this

1091
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and researching, so like he's wearing the coat he was

1092
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 2>wearing the he was in convincement. And remember Chloe and

1093
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Lex both get zapped, you know there, Maybe they thought

1094
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 2>about zapping them both out there. Maybe they didn't know

1095
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.360
<v Speaker 2>so why they were there. They're like, let's let's get

1096
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Michael out there in the snow or something. So they

1097
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:13.239
<v Speaker 2>had this clip, but I don't know why it ended

1098
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.239
<v Speaker 2>up in the series finale with something that never happened.

1099
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.239
<v Speaker 2>You have ten seven years of footage to choose from

1100
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:20.679
<v Speaker 2>for him, and you choose something that never happened.

1101
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:25.320
<v Speaker 3>I hate that, and no Darth Lex either, what the hell?

1102
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:29.599
<v Speaker 4>But I did appreciate the close aspects of this episode.

1103
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:30.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1104
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to be positive, and there were moments that

1105
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:34.960
<v Speaker 4>got me very nostalgic.

1106
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Let's do this, let's do this, let's let's be positive. Yes, So, Victoria,

1107
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.280
<v Speaker 2>what are like three things you love about the finale? Again?

1108
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.079
<v Speaker 4>I really do love the scene where they read each

1109
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.320
<v Speaker 4>other's vows. I get god, I'm sorry. I think they're

1110
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 4>all gonna be close. I love the scene where they

1111
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.320
<v Speaker 4>bump into each other on the stairs. I don't know,

1112
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 4>because I think also it's like there's this just feeling

1113
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.440
<v Speaker 4>of this there was. They had these fleeting moments where

1114
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:03.960
<v Speaker 4>there was this very acute feeling of nostalgia that I experienced.

1115
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.360
<v Speaker 4>It was like, it's like my special happy, nostalgic Smallville feeling.

1116
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.599
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's what gets me so impassioned when

1117
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:12.559
<v Speaker 4>we're talking about this, because I'm like, you guys, you

1118
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:14.679
<v Speaker 4>guys had it like you were you had it and

1119
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:17.239
<v Speaker 4>then you pushed it too far. But I really appreciated

1120
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.760
<v Speaker 4>the moments where they captured it excellent.

1121
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:21.920
<v Speaker 2>What about you, Matt, What were three things you loved

1122
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:22.760
<v Speaker 2>about this from Noale?

1123
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.599
<v Speaker 3>So two of them are clearly likes related, but just

1124
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.039
<v Speaker 3>the fact that kind of there it's not their exact

1125
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 3>last moments, but their last moments together are just that, like,

1126
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:34.679
<v Speaker 3>straight up, you're going to try to do this, and

1127
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to always be there to stop you. Oh,

1128
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm counting on it. Like the acting. There was just

1129
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.599
<v Speaker 3>everything I wanted from him. And it's a weird thing,

1130
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.679
<v Speaker 3>but like I remember being so excited when we heard

1131
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 3>that Rosenbaum was definitely coming back and like freaking out

1132
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 3>the first picture. Yeah, the first picture they released was

1133
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:58.159
<v Speaker 3>of him in the bald cap, sitting in the chair

1134
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 3>behind the desk in the office at Luther Court and

1135
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.760
<v Speaker 3>just like seeing that scene again today really just like

1136
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:08.480
<v Speaker 3>it was such a fulfilling thing and as a fan

1137
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.519
<v Speaker 3>watching at the anticipation of this finale was so far

1138
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Speaker 3>beyond like nostalgia looking back, like what the actual finale

1139
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 3>was like.

1140
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 2>They made a Lex Luthor specific trailer. I don't know

1141
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:21.159
<v Speaker 2>if you remember it made.

1142
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do remember that. It was huge. It was

1143
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:23.960
<v Speaker 3>so exciting.

1144
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.159
<v Speaker 5>They say every man is a dark side aside, he

1145
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:34.079
<v Speaker 5>keeps hidden hidden from the light from friends, from loved ones,

1146
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:36.440
<v Speaker 5>hiven from the side.

1147
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 3>We have the destiny together.

1148
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.480
<v Speaker 5>Clark on the undifferent side. I'm not different, man.

1149
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:57.519
<v Speaker 3>I watched Lucid Lexi going to the nostalgia thing too,

1150
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:02.360
<v Speaker 3>that Superman you know in me was was aided when

1151
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.760
<v Speaker 3>when you heard Perry's voice, when you just like they

1152
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.960
<v Speaker 3>were back. They those two characters were in The Daily

1153
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Planet with Perry White, and that was just that's all, Like.

1154
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 4>We've like pulled into the station, our journeys.

1155
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.679
<v Speaker 3>Complete, exactly, Yes, like everyone's where they should be, especially

1156
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 3>in this little in this building exactly. That's what.

1157
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:26.920
<v Speaker 2>What are your top three things you loved here?

1158
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Clark and Oliver's seen at the graveyard. I thought that

1159
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.639
<v Speaker 1>was really good, you know, the two of them being bros,

1160
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.159
<v Speaker 1>which for some reason was hard for them to like

1161
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.360
<v Speaker 1>show on the show because every time they tried doing it,

1162
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:38.840
<v Speaker 1>one of them was being like a dick to the

1163
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.239
<v Speaker 1>other and was not like being very receptive. And so

1164
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 1>it even happened in this one also because Clark was

1165
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:46.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of dismissive, but like I loved Oliver's attempt at

1166
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to reach out to his friend and just you know,

1167
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>just trying to be there for him. I like that.

1168
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Of course, Clark and Lexis scene, it makes you know

1169
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:58.159
<v Speaker 1>this finale worth watching. And then Clark and Lois at

1170
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 1>the beginning, when is just very confident that the two

1171
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:03.239
<v Speaker 1>of them are going to get married that day, and

1172
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.039
<v Speaker 1>it's convincing Lois that that's what needs to happen. And

1173
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.920
<v Speaker 1>then Lois also having a valid argument for why she

1174
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:12.800
<v Speaker 1>thinks that they shouldn't. She was hesitant about sharing a

1175
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:15.239
<v Speaker 1>life with somebody that the world needed, and she thought

1176
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:16.920
<v Speaker 1>she was doing the right thing by doing so. But

1177
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I love that little hiccup right there in their relationship.

1178
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.119
<v Speaker 1>I like that for me.

1179
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:24.679
<v Speaker 2>I would say probably number three with the Oliver Clark

1180
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.280
<v Speaker 2>scene in the graveyard. Number two would be the lex

1181
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.760
<v Speaker 2>test scene, even though the memory ration is just a

1182
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:34.519
<v Speaker 2>horrible decision and defeats the purpose of the entire show.

1183
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:37.119
<v Speaker 2>And then finally would be the Clark and lex scene.

1184
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:38.519
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about this when we'll wrap up here.

1185
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 2>This is the best scene in the finale. This justifies

1186
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.320
<v Speaker 2>the finale being the way it is. This is just

1187
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.159
<v Speaker 2>like the perfect way to cap off their relationship and

1188
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.039
<v Speaker 2>just but it's distinctly Smallville as well, Like can't say

1189
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:51.639
<v Speaker 2>I love what you've done with the place, right, That's

1190
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.239
<v Speaker 2>that's the small little Lex Luthor right there. But you know,

1191
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and he looks a little different because the bald cap

1192
00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:58.679
<v Speaker 2>because we nobody looks like Ball a little bit larger.

1193
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.159
<v Speaker 2>But he's a clone, right, so that's fine, Like in

1194
00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:03.079
<v Speaker 2>the universe, I'm com totally fine with that.

1195
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:03.639
<v Speaker 3>Now.

1196
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Apparently he could not clone a perfect hand because he

1197
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:08.400
<v Speaker 2>wears that club because of the messed uff hand. They

1198
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 2>just had to do it whatever, But you know, for

1199
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 2>all the you know Lex Luthor, I thought that was

1200
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:14.360
<v Speaker 2>really smart about season ten. Like in the com books,

1201
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.599
<v Speaker 2>he does he clones himself. He has duplicates and all

1202
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:18.559
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. So I believe that he came back in

1203
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:20.559
<v Speaker 2>this way. There's a president for it. I think they

1204
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:23.119
<v Speaker 2>probably should have said Lex zero was the original Lex

1205
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:25.519
<v Speaker 2>and he like used clones to repair himself. I would

1206
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 2>have preferred that to like, this is a clone as well,

1207
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.280
<v Speaker 2>because where memories come from. Smallvill doesn't understand how cloning

1208
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.400
<v Speaker 2>works with like, hey, we clone all the Condorians, they

1209
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.119
<v Speaker 2>remember their lives, No it doesn't work that way. You're

1210
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 2>blank slates, you know, clean slay the ultimate tool for

1211
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 2>the master thief. So hey, we got Lex and Clark

1212
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:44.039
<v Speaker 2>and they had a final scene and I don't know

1213
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 2>what Smallvil would have done without it, it would have

1214
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.599
<v Speaker 2>been so incomplete. So for all that I know, we've

1215
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.360
<v Speaker 2>been pretty venting our frustrations as fans here because this

1216
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:52.719
<v Speaker 2>is a big deal to us. I've been watching the

1217
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:54.599
<v Speaker 2>show for years and this was the end, and we

1218
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 2>didn't feel satisfied. But that was satisfying. And even Lex

1219
00:54:58.239 --> 00:54:59.519
<v Speaker 2>says in that scene, he's like, Hey, that's the thing

1220
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:02.159
<v Speaker 2>about memory, you can't forget them. So maybe that implies

1221
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:04.800
<v Speaker 2>he'll get his memories back. I don't know, but they

1222
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 2>planted some seats there so that that was a great

1223
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:08.320
<v Speaker 2>scene between the two of them, like I'm sorry, I

1224
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 2>couldn't save you ax any superspeeds away and then for

1225
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 2>that three minutes, this is the show that we all

1226
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:14.280
<v Speaker 2>fell in love with back in the day between those guys.

1227
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 2>So so, ultimately, last question, did you find the finale satisfying? Yes? No,

1228
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.079
<v Speaker 2>we're sort of Victoria. What's your answer.

1229
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm a strong, sort of strong, sort of.

1230
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what about you, Matt, I'll be a sort of yeah,

1231
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.519
<v Speaker 2>that's what we wouldn't.

1232
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Know, Brave, that's that scene was great.

1233
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:37.800
<v Speaker 2>But overall, no, and see I'm not the negative one tonight, guys.

1234
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Is I'm gonna say sort of stuff I loved.

1235
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was a long journey, so pass with

1236
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:45.559
<v Speaker 3>flying sort of that's.

1237
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.000
<v Speaker 1>New one Blue Ray DVD. This is where it's all

1238
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:52.840
<v Speaker 1>been leading you become.

1239
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:54.519
<v Speaker 3>That's great to say.

1240
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.800
<v Speaker 4>More than two hours of special features the final season

1241
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 4>of Small Tale on Blue Ray and DVD November two,

1242
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 4>on the Complete series collection on DVD.

1243
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.719
<v Speaker 2>All Right, I hope you all enjoyed our conversation about finale. Again,

1244
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.800
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting to talk about it, and I'm sure listen

1245
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 2>to us talk about it as in close proximity to

1246
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.320
<v Speaker 2>the podcast proper covering. It covered a lot of the

1247
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 2>same ground, I know, but look, it's the same episode.

1248
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 2>We had a little variation there. I know, Victoria came

1249
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:25.719
<v Speaker 2>in a little more positive about things intentionally so and

1250
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.639
<v Speaker 2>I appreciated that. Uh because yeah, guys, you know how

1251
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Speaker 2>I feel about it. I haven't had my feel things

1252
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:34.320
<v Speaker 2>about the entire podcast. Not one of my favorite episodes, certainly,

1253
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.440
<v Speaker 2>not one of my top ten episodes. But obviously it's

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<v Speaker 2>important to a lot of y'all to make it in

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<v Speaker 2>the top ten, number eight. Even so, even in the

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<v Speaker 2>lower half of the top ten, the fact that is

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<v Speaker 2>there shows that it worked for a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 2>and it didn't work for me, but I am glad

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<v Speaker 2>that it worked for so many other people. So I

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing else to say about the serious finale. I've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it so much, especially this year. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the music then. You know, I thought about this,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a real banger here? There? You know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a pop song and during the wedding, but what is

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<v Speaker 2>the banger song here? That has been the through line?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the banger needle drop of the episodes? And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what it is, y'all, the theme to Superman

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<v Speaker 2>by John Williams. That's right. It doesn't counter as a

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<v Speaker 2>traditional pop song with the fact that it's a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of music that existed outside a small film and they

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<v Speaker 2>brought it in and they played it. That works here,

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<v Speaker 2>So a little bit of a stretch, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit of a stretch. The series finale's

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<v Speaker 2>in the top ten. Okay, let's be honest. So Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>the trend continues. That's the series finale, that's our discussion

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<v Speaker 2>about It almost feels like an alternate version of the

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<v Speaker 2>same discussion we had earlier this year on the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Proper because again a lot of the same people talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a lot of the same episodes. But I am

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<v Speaker 2>excited to move past the pilot, to move past the finale,

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<v Speaker 2>and to get more into some individual episodes moving forward

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<v Speaker 2>on our top ten list here. So stay tuned next

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<v Speaker 2>next week to find out which episode is the number

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<v Speaker 2>seven episode of Smallville as voted by you, the listeners,

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