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Slash advertised today. 23 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Let's Talk pets. 24 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 6: On Petlifradio dot com. 25 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:51,439 Speaker 3: Welcome back, everyone. I'd like to welcome Karen Hogland. She 26 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:56,599 is the cat photographer. She also photographs dogs and horses, 27 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:00,439 and I'm like to welcome you to Catache. So much 28 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:01,040 for coming on. 29 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:02,719 Speaker 4: Thank you. It's an honor to be here. 30 00:02:03,159 --> 00:02:05,799 Speaker 3: I'm honored to have you. So did I get it right? Cats? 31 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:06,640 Dog horses? 32 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 4: Yeah? Mostly cats and dogs? 33 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:10,479 Speaker 3: Cats and dogs? Okay, have you ever done like a 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,240 ferret or lizard or anything like that? 35 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,879 Speaker 4: I have beared a dragon, guinea pigs. I have a 36 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,919 whole exotic pet page. 37 00:02:18,759 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: That must be wild. So what made you decide to 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,759 go into photography, especially animals? 39 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 4: Sure? Well, I had been a graphic designer for twenty 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,199 some years, and when digital cameras came on the scene, 41 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,680 photography sort of became part of the job. And then 42 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:39,439 when I left the corporate jobs, I decided to go 43 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:44,120 into photography. At first, I thought I would do family 44 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:48,960 photography and like everything, and I just love the dogs 45 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,080 and cats the most. 46 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: I don't blame sometimes they're the best. 47 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just was naturally best at capturing them. So 48 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,159 I just started doing more and more that started promoting it, 49 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,560 and then maybe only a couple of years in unniched way, 50 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,360 down just to the pets only. 51 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:11,599 Speaker 3: So cats are difficult, They're notoriously difficult to photograph, and 52 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,400 you know, they're different, they're so different than dogs. There's 53 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:16,919 this saying that you probably have heard so many times. 54 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,280 Cats are not like little dogs. Cats are cats, dogs 55 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:25,240 are dogs. So why did you decide to specialize especially 56 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,080 in cats, because they must be one of the toughest 57 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:29,719 furbabes to photograph. 58 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,759 Speaker 4: Well, people assume they can't be photographed. I don't think 59 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:37,599 that's true. They're different species, of course than the dog, obviously, 60 00:03:38,039 --> 00:03:40,400 so they're a little more skittish, they're a little more 61 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,000 set in their ways. But it's kind of the same 62 00:03:43,639 --> 00:03:47,680 skill set where I'm observing, you know, like the same 63 00:03:47,719 --> 00:03:50,280 way I'll notice if a dog's ears are back, I'll 64 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:53,319 notice if a cat is flicking its tail and ready 65 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,879 to get out of there. It's totally possible. It's just 66 00:03:56,919 --> 00:03:59,520 a different set of skills. 67 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: I haven't heard that it's not possible to photograph cats. 68 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:06,680 I've heard that it's hard to photograph black cats and 69 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,120 black dogs, and that's one reason why they don't get 70 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:12,199 as adopted as much. I have a tuxedo cat. Both 71 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,599 my dogs that are in doggy heaven. Now we're black 72 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,160 with markings. But have you heard that it's a thing, right? 73 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely, especially with your cell phone because the 74 00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:28,079 auto exposure just can't handle it sometimes, or it's just 75 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,160 that you have them in a dark corner. They're doing 76 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:33,759 something adorable, but they're you know, underneath the coffee table, 77 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,759 so it's really dark down there, so of course you 78 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,319 know there's not enough light. There's a couple of different 79 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:41,360 things you can do about that. You can put them 80 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,279 by the window, you know, lure them off there with 81 00:04:43,319 --> 00:04:46,199 a toy or a feather, even a treat with your 82 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:48,839 own cat. You know, you just try to get them 83 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:52,519 when they're in better light. Photography is all about light, 84 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,720 so that's more apparent with a black cat or dog. 85 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 3: Okay, you do dogs as well. Would you say what 86 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,639 the difference is when you're photographing cats versus photographing dogs, 87 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,839 And how in the world did you get the most 88 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,519 adorable picture on your website, which we'll share at the 89 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,040 end of a sphinx cat and this little I don't 90 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,560 can't tell the breed. It's a black and gray dog. 91 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, mixed breed, mixed breed. 92 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: Much of my favorite so I don't know how you 93 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,839 got them together, but what are some of the differences 94 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:29,319 between them, as far as you know, nuances that can 95 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,959 make us better Because a lot of us have photographed 96 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:34,360 our dogs, we can get them to stay still. Cats 97 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:35,040 not so much. 98 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 4: Sure, Well, a lot of people when they're doing their 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,360 dogs photo they use a treat that doesn't look as cute. 100 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:44,079 With a cat, they kind of hunt over to look 101 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,399 like a wild lion. You know, they're just and then 102 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:48,720 they're all the run off with it. With dogs, you 103 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,720 can use squeaky toys like I use so many little 104 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:56,160 like a quill call, duck call, like the squeaky from 105 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,600 inside a toy that would freak a cat out. So 106 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,519 I do not do that with cats. So in some ways, 107 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:04,519 I guess you could say dogs are easier because you 108 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:09,199 can use like the sounds and the treats. But some 109 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,279 dogs are scared. They're kind of timid anyway, and like 110 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,600 they might get a little afraid, So you're going to 111 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,639 kind of treat them like each animal's individual. So the 112 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:25,000 most shy dog might be similar to a very friendly cat. 113 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,439 But in general, with cats, I'm going to be quieter, 114 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:32,560 I'm going to kind of lure them over, so if 115 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:36,879 they think it's their idea, and curiosity is a huge thing. 116 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: Curiosity okay, and this leads into my next question. It 117 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,600 sounds like a lot of taking pictures of cats has 118 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,160 to do with preparing yourself because too often I think 119 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:53,959 as humans are impatient and we want them to wait 120 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,199 take the picture, or we want them to do what 121 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,680 they want to do. And while dogs are a little 122 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,160 bit more open to that, cat or not, they do it. 123 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,839 They want, when they want, how they want for the 124 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,879 most part. So what do we have to do to 125 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,600 prepare ourselves so sure so that we're going to be 126 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,279 successful taking the pictures of our cat? I can tell 127 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,120 one it must be be patient. That's not one of 128 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,240 my strong suits. Sotent is a must. 129 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 4: Well, you're not just being patient like I'm going to 130 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,920 watch my cat take a nap and then wait for 131 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:30,000 him to get up. It's more of reading their body language. 132 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:33,959 So you're kind of being slow and quiet, Like for me, 133 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:37,000 I'm going into someone's house, So the first ten minutes, 134 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,199 I'm going to be like a fly on the wall, 135 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:43,480 lay low, hold back. I Am not going to try 136 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,279 to get the photo in the first five to ten minutes. 137 00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:49,879 If it's your own cat, it's different because they're used 138 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:53,240 to you. But you need to know when to be 139 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:56,120 quiet and just let them be comfortable, and when to 140 00:07:56,279 --> 00:08:01,240 pull out a toy, maybe a piece of yarn feathers. 141 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,519 I have great luck with peacock feathers because they're long 142 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,879 and you can kind of almost use it like you're 143 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:12,720 hypnotizing them, and then you know, you kind of hold 144 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:15,759 it over the camera and it looks like they're looking 145 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:20,519 at the camera but glacially slow. Like I think that's 146 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,920 the number one thing I see people doing, is they 147 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,199 they move that one toy around and they're like, oh crazy, 148 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,079 and it's not playtime. You don't want them to look 149 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,960 like they just saw ghost or they're like gonna kill 150 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,039 their toy. They're not hunting. What you want is that curiosity. 151 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,759 Speaker 3: Okay, so nice and slow? All right? What about bringing 152 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,399 out the true nature of your cat? Would it be 153 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,840 they're toys? Would you just I don't know, have them 154 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,559 if they're into water, have them near their fountain where 155 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,960 they play, or what are some things we could do 156 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,919 to just really, you know, show their sweet side if 157 00:08:58,919 --> 00:09:02,879 they're really sweet cat or they're kind of I guess 158 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:07,039 crazy side. They're like into Zuomi's and such. 159 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 4: Right, well, yeah, most animals have both. So whatever makes 160 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,720 you smile, I always say so, Like, if it just 161 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,039 makes you smile when your cat jumps up in a 162 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:22,840 certain spot to get its chin scratched, maybe that's that's. 163 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:24,840 You know, there's like a certain spot in my kitchen 164 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,000 that my cat always goes. I definitely want photos of 165 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:32,440 that because that just makes me happy. That's where he 166 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,279 goes when he wants love. So you kind of think 167 00:09:36,279 --> 00:09:38,799 of that place in your house if that's it. If 168 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,360 it's a faucet, like you said, maybe make it a 169 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:47,279 little more interesting, like arrange some houseplants around the faucet, 170 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,039 like simplify the scene, but also make it look a 171 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,440 little more elevated, a little different than normal maybe. But 172 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,960 yet you're still capturing the cat drinking out of the 173 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,840 water out of the sink. What else, Like, what does 174 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:03,120 your cat do? What would you want to capture? 175 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,279 Speaker 3: So my cats they're lazy, they don't jump around much. 176 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,840 They have water fountains, they have three, so I've heard, 177 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,519 So they don't really go for faucets, but those are 178 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,679 adorable pictures. I've also heard with cats that it's good 179 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,279 to get down on their level because they're small, so 180 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:25,159 they're by you know, they're utlow to the ground. Of course, 181 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,200 say you want to get down on the ground to 182 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,080 take pictures of. 183 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:31,919 Speaker 4: Them, correct, that's very good advice. Yeah, a lot of people. 184 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:34,960 I think people are getting smarter than this, but especially 185 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,159 when cell phones first game, they would be standing up, 186 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,480 take the photo at like waste level, and then yeah, 187 00:10:40,519 --> 00:10:44,600 the cat doesn't look that exciting. I would suggest trying 188 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,480 different angles. I mean, that's the awesome thing about like 189 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:50,360 digital photos and cell phones is you know, go a 190 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,120 little left, little the right, little up, little down, back forward. 191 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:56,559 I mean, don't take ten thousand, but just look at 192 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,559 what's happening, and it kind of gets your cat curious 193 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,720 about it too. You can't lose. Just be creative. 194 00:11:04,279 --> 00:11:08,759 Speaker 3: On my art days, I remember that the contrast of 195 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:12,159 light and dark is always, you know, popular for any 196 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,440 kind of picture and for art in general. Same for photography. 197 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,799 I'm sure right, oh absolutely, yeah. 198 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 4: I love shadows like winter, when you get those really 199 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:25,919 dramatic shadows at the late afternoon, that's my favorite. 200 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 3: What can we do to create those shadows in our homes. 201 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:31,399 I'm in South Florida, we don't have winter. We have cold, 202 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:36,000 so for a time change maybe yeah, shadows, but not 203 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:39,440 so much so. Although the snow pictures I see of cats, 204 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,639 which I didn't think cats like the cold that much, 205 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:42,799 are amazing. 206 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,879 Speaker 4: Well, I don't think they like to go outside, but 207 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,519 if it's a nice cozy spot by the window, they'll 208 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:49,919 look outside for sure. 209 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,799 Speaker 3: So you have to keep like dark in mind. You 210 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:56,159 have to keep the coloring in mind, because you don't 211 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,200 want your cat to blend in right right, and you 212 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,240 don't want to freeze see colors, so you don't want 213 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,679 something like I don't know, maybe like a gross yellow 214 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:09,639 behind you know, a ginger cat right right color in 215 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:13,519 mind too, So all of those What about movement? 216 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 4: I love movement. I mean I was trying to think 217 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,960 of how to get the sunbeams for you guys in Florida. 218 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: How lots of sudden but they just don't have the 219 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,879 winter sunlights in that. 220 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was swimming to brainstorm, Like, come, 221 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,879 I never thought about that. I've always lived up north. 222 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,879 There's always a sunbeam that comes in. You can always 223 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,000 close all the windows in the room except for one, 224 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:38,840 so that the light is directional and coming like from 225 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,279 one direction. But back to your question about action. You 226 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,840 know what I do with my cat as I just 227 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:48,679 throw a treat and he goes curry. He's very food motivated. 228 00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:52,360 If they're hunters and you're doing it in the backyard, 229 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,240 you know, you can tell when they're gonna jump, They 230 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,840 wiggle their butt. They're totally predictable. 231 00:12:58,159 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: You know. 232 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 4: I've gotten cats midair, you know, after they you know, 233 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,200 trying to catch the squirrel in the backyard. My cat's 234 00:13:04,279 --> 00:13:06,519 on the indoor. But you know, you can kind of 235 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,799 tell when they're gonna do action that you can toss 236 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:12,960 one of their little toys like a spring or felt ball. 237 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,519 I have felt balls on a string that works great 238 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:22,039 because you can hold it, just slowly move it and 239 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,639 then if it is in the photo, it's not ugly. 240 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 3: Those are some great ideas. We're gonna take a short 241 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:37,960 break and we'll be right back. Molly, here's your dinner. 242 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:42,159 Since that's not your food. 243 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,519 Speaker 7: Don't let that happen to your precious cat. Elevates your 244 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,759 cat's eating experience with the cat tree tray. 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C A T t 254 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:23,919 R E E t R A y dot com. 255 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,919 Speaker 2: Let's talk past, Let's done Pets About Life Radio Headline Radio. 256 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:41,919 Speaker 8: Pet Live Radio dot com. 257 00:14:42,159 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone. We're talking to Karen Hogeland and she's 258 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,480 a photographer and we're talking about cat photography. So let's 259 00:14:51,519 --> 00:14:54,480 talk about props. And I have a funny story. So 260 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,759 a long time ago for my other show, Best Bets 261 00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:01,120 for Pets, it's product show, and I had sample sent 262 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,639 to me for of sweaters. So this person made theirs 263 00:15:04,679 --> 00:15:08,000 for your pets and I had three. So that time 264 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,960 I had mister zeus Nicki and Dennis, and my cat 265 00:15:12,039 --> 00:15:15,399 crew was small, just Dennis, and so they actually the 266 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,720 smallest sweater did not fit Dennis. It fit NICKI. So 267 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,159 Dennis got the second largest, then Zeus was the largest. 268 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,600 Nicky's was have an ease. Zeus my like forty five pounds. 269 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,600 And Dennis is part Maine coon but he's not giant. 270 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:34,399 So by some miracle and because he is part Maine coon, 271 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:38,600 I got Dennis in the sweater without getting clawed up. 272 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 4: Wow, I'm impressed. 273 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:43,639 Speaker 3: He was always constantly he was moonwalking to get out 274 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:46,440 of it. But I do have a picture of them 275 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:49,879 in their sweaters, which was a feed. Keeping them all 276 00:15:49,879 --> 00:15:54,320 together was tough. Yeah, Dennis was really easy. I would 277 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,519 not try that with Molly. I would be clawed. She 278 00:15:57,559 --> 00:16:00,799 would not like that, and Charlotte is a very frayed cat, 279 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:03,480 so she would not go for that as well. So 280 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:06,919 here's my question. I got lucky one time with Dennis 281 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,360 and I could probably get a prop on him, but 282 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:14,039 forget the other cats. So how do we use props 283 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,679 that are on cats? Like how do some people have 284 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:20,200 pictures of cats with glasses on and hats on and clothes. 285 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,759 I mean, I just think that's like so impossible unless 286 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:25,360 they have this certain personality. 287 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 4: Sure, I mean it's like if they're used to it, 288 00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:31,200 like they're harness trained, and they know that that little 289 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,919 pressure around their body means they're gonna be the harness 290 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:37,919 go outside. They're excited. Maybe, I don't know. Personally, I 291 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,440 feel like a collar with a bow is pushing my 292 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:45,159 limits as much as I can. Most of my clients 293 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:46,080 we don't do that. 294 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: You brought up a grade point though. You brought up 295 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,960 the point about pressure around their body, and I just 296 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,519 hadn't thought of that. You know, as humans, we put 297 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:57,720 on clothes all the time and all that, and people 298 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:01,600 have different, you know, things that they're comfortable wearing, but 299 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:05,319 you don't think about pressure around the body for a 300 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,160 cat or for dog. Dogs are more comfortable with that, 301 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,720 but for cats you don't think of that. And they're 302 00:17:10,759 --> 00:17:15,279 actually super sensitive I've learned, especially on their back and 303 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:16,000 their bellies. 304 00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they would like a swimmer. No, 305 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:19,960 I do. 306 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,279 Speaker 3: Don't recommend it, really, Jill, So I would never try 307 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:26,599 that again. And the pressure around their body, but there 308 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,279 is I think some truth to that from what I've 309 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,440 learned with cats, they're very sensitive on their back at 310 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:35,400 least I know where Molly is. So you would say 311 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:38,160 keep the clothes away, Yeah. 312 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 4: I mean they may be used to a collar now 313 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,319 and then you know, like if they're going to the 314 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,759 vet or if they are allowed outside. But I really 315 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:48,079 wouldn't push it. I mean, you want them to look happy. 316 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:51,319 You don't want airplaneiers. I think it's more important for 317 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:52,799 them to look comfortable. 318 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 3: Okay, thank you for that information and feedback. Let's talk 319 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,960 about some special times to take pics. So you know, 320 00:18:02,079 --> 00:18:06,279 always when they're little babies, little kittens, that's adorable. And 321 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:08,880 you know if you have a mom a kitten, then 322 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,920 they have babies, that's a wonderful time to take pictures. 323 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:15,440 What about end of life pictures? I mean, nobody likes 324 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,359 to think about that, but it happens. 325 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 4: I have done a bunch of those. They're often a 326 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,480 good way for the family to get closure. It helps 327 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:28,720 them feel like that bucket list thing is checked off. 328 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:33,440 It can be difficult. I can tell if it's making 329 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,519 the people upset. 330 00:18:35,079 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: Let's backtrack for a sec and I say end of life. 331 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,880 So would that be when someone has their cats like 332 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,920 older they know that the cat might be getting sick 333 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,359 soon or is the cat okay, the days are numbered, 334 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,400 we need to take pictures right now. 335 00:18:49,759 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 4: Well, there's all variations of that I've done, like the 336 00:18:51,759 --> 00:18:54,920 older cat, and they can be fine. I mean, if 337 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,559 they're in good health then they're not feeling any pain 338 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,240 or you know, they can hear and see me enough 339 00:19:01,279 --> 00:19:04,759 for they look happy that just being old isn't a problem. 340 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:08,240 If they're really sick and they really do have their 341 00:19:08,279 --> 00:19:10,839 days our number, like maybe they got really bad news 342 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:15,079 of the vet and let's say the vet said it's weeks, 343 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,400 you know, weeks to months or something like that, and 344 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,839 they call me. That's easier frankly for dogs because they 345 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:25,559 tend to like rally and look good when guests come over. 346 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,440 Cats are just I don't really recommend it. I mean, 347 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,240 it has its place, but that's probably not going to 348 00:19:34,279 --> 00:19:37,240 be the best photo of your cat that you have 349 00:19:37,319 --> 00:19:39,039 of its whole life. I mean, we can do it, 350 00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:42,599 but I definitely take tons of breaks. I make sure 351 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,440 the cat's comfortable. I will come back if the cat 352 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,279 is not comfortable or the people need a break. It's 353 00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:53,319 definitely has its challenges, but at the same time, it's 354 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,519 kind of can be bittersweet because it's, like, like I said, 355 00:19:56,519 --> 00:19:59,039 a bucket list type of thing, and you can get 356 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,559 those like cuddally shots and the cat, you know, looking 357 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:04,279 at you, it can be sweet. 358 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:07,519 Speaker 3: Okay, thanks for sharing that. What other tips do you 359 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:12,039 have for us in general for taking pictures forever cats? 360 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:15,079 What are some just five good rules that we should 361 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,920 stick with when we're trying to take pictures of our cats. 362 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,039 Speaker 4: Sure, well, for starters, take tons of pictures when they're young, 363 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,920 because they're so curious and playful and nutty, and they're 364 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,400 oh my gosh, don't think you'll you'll get around to 365 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,279 it lighter when they're young, they're just so fun. I mean, 366 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:33,920 I adopted my cat when he was three and I 367 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,440 was plenty young. He's crazy. But in general, for all cats, 368 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:42,319 for all photos, I would say the simplifying the background. 369 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,720 So take the laundry basket out of the background, don't 370 00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:52,440 have TV remotes, magazines out, you know, like newspaper mail pile. 371 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,319 Just keep it simple. Maybe get some interesting textures with 372 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:03,559 blankets that contrast with the cat. So like I have 373 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,119 an orange cat, so blues look nice against him, or 374 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,359 even purples greens. Just think of like what makes him 375 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:15,400 look nice. Like I said before, change your angles around, 376 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,599 be creative. I could go on and on. You said 377 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,119 five things. I probably gave you five. 378 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, those are great, great tips. I think that's the 379 00:21:24,319 --> 00:21:27,920 biggest thing is to be patient with your cat and 380 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,599 patient with yourself. 381 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 4: Definitely, And I think that cats have a big ability 382 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:37,559 to model. It's possible. I think you just have to 383 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:40,880 go about it a different way, like a little bit slower, 384 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,000 not force full, try to capture their personality. If there's 385 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:46,920 like a certain toy they like, maybe you want to 386 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,200 picture with that toy. Yeah, there's a lot of fun 387 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,359 things you can do. And I think just be more intentional, 388 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,880 you know, just like, don't just like pick up the 389 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,519 camera and like snap and not clean up the background. 390 00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:02,559 Speaker 3: Yes, have a tidy background. This is I think very 391 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:05,559 important for a lot of our listeners. What would you 392 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,319 recommend if someone is hiring a professional cat photographer Because 393 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:16,400 you're not global yet, so you're located in the western 394 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,160 part of the US, Say, you're not global where you're 395 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,519 flying to different locations all the time. So what if 396 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:25,279 somebody wanted to hire someone, what are some things they 397 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,680 need to keep in mind to look out for, Because 398 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,359 I mean, I've never hired a cat photographer, I wouldn't 399 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,480 have a clue. 400 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,079 Speaker 4: Sure, Well, of course, everyone probably start with an online search, 401 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,880 and that's fair. But beyond that, you could ask the 402 00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:44,119 local cat rescue, like if they have someone who volunteers 403 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,559 with them, who's a photographer who's good, that might be 404 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:50,559 a good spot. Or even your cat sitter if you 405 00:22:50,599 --> 00:22:53,680 have a really good cat setter. They've been in people's houses. 406 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:57,000 They know if there's like professional artwork of the cat 407 00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:00,240 on the wall, or you know, like if they've heard 408 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:03,240 of one, you know, like word of mouth. But if 409 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,799 you're looking at an online search, you're going to want 410 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:08,119 to look at the cat portfolio, you know, see if 411 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,359 there's a variety of different looks and personalities. Does the 412 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,400 person go to the house? I would say for most cats, 413 00:23:16,519 --> 00:23:19,160 that's a huge plus to be able to have a 414 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,279 photographer come to your house instead of the studio. 415 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:24,599 Speaker 3: That's a great pit. 416 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 417 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, cats are not the easiest to travel with most right, 418 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,839 not all, but most. 419 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 4: You can ask people, you know, how they handle shy 420 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,319 or unpredictable cats. I think that tells you a lot 421 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,559 about their experience and patience level. You can just you know, 422 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,440 see how they answer those questions. You know, if you 423 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,720 know a thing about cat body language, you can see 424 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,200 the photos that are on their website and see, you 425 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,240 know if the cats look miserable or happy? 426 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: Right, right, let's talk about your website because you have 427 00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:00,480 some beautiful pictures. It's Karen Hoagland photography dot com. There's 428 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,680 just some gorgeous pictures. Like I said, there's one of 429 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,440 a sphinx and a mixed breed about midway on your 430 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,200 mobile site. Right now. There are a ton of other 431 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,839 tips than from what we talked about, because we haven't 432 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,279 even talked we're talking about just taking pictures of cats, 433 00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:17,920 But if you want to be in the picture with 434 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,440 your cat, that's always an option too. But then of 435 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,079 course you need to hire someone. 436 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 4: Right, yes, and that can be done at home as well, 437 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,119 and you can kind of use a simple background. One 438 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,960 tip for that is to use a doorway, like maybe 439 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,359 a doorway to the backyard, so it kind of fades 440 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:37,920 off to black behind you and then you're just kind 441 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,720 of sitting in the doorway there. 442 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,039 Speaker 3: Do you ever think sometimes with your pictures you just 443 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,160 get lucky? This would be very, very lucky though, because 444 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,079 these pictures are gorgeous, But in general, sometimes do you 445 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,559 just get lucky in a pose? 446 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 4: Well, you kind of set yourself up for success. I 447 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,480 mean I try to talk with the owners and like 448 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,599 figure out collaborate with a like get everyone on the 449 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,319 same page, and then yes, it's up to the cat 450 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,599 whether the cat's going to be into me or not. 451 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:09,799 Speaker 3: Isn't that funny how we talk about this and then say, 452 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:12,440 but it's up to the cat. We can do we 453 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,599 can photographer, get everything ready to do all this, but 454 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,559 you know, if the cat's happen a bad day, I'll 455 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:19,480 forget it. We're gone, We're done, you know. 456 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, but most of them, you know, I say that 457 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,359 I'll come back if the cat's not in to me 458 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,400 that day, or just you know, isn't in the mood, 459 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,759 I'll come back. Got no extra cost. I've had to 460 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,599 do that only once, and that was mostly because the 461 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,079 people kind of weren't ready about the end of life, 462 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:39,799 you know, feelings and emotions. You know. I have my ways, 463 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,279 and most pet photographers do. We love pets, you know. 464 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,480 I mean, like, if someone's a professional cat photographer, they 465 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:50,839 love cats, right, so most likely I was like, yeah, 466 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,279 so you know, there's something different things that we can 467 00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:57,839 do to ensure success other than just saying like, oh, well, 468 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,359 you know, the cat's not gonna, you know, post today 469 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,279 because I have a whole bag of stuff I bring 470 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,960 with because you know, some cats like crinkle toys, some 471 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:11,720 cats like yarn, some cats like feathers, you know, and 472 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,160 I'll ask the people had to time what they like, 473 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,079 but then they might be surprised because, like you know, 474 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,319 novelty is like so interesting to cats. You know, like 475 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,680 if you move something from one side of the room 476 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,359 to the other, like all of a sudden, they were interesting. 477 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 3: They're excited. 478 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, like it's like that simple. It's like move a 479 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,279 house plant from one windowsill to the other. 480 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 3: Do you cats see some colors? In your opinion? Do 481 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,920 you cats see some colors better than others? 482 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:40,839 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know. 483 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 3: I have a white charging cord that whenever I plug 484 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,480 that in, I have to make sure Molly doesn't bite it. 485 00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:47,839 The black ones. She doesn't care about the white one 486 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,720 she wants to bite. 487 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,279 Speaker 4: That's you would probably know more about that than me. 488 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:57,599 I'm not a scientist, but I find that they move, 489 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,680 you know, get more interested in slow movement then fast. 490 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:05,400 But color I have not noticed. 491 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,799 Speaker 3: I haven't read someplace they only see like black and 492 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:11,440 white and yellow. But I'm sure someone will send me 493 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,000 an email tell me I'm wrong. Yeah, I'm curious of 494 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:16,720 an idea, which is great, But I was just wondering 495 00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,559 because it's funny how some things just it could be 496 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,680 the exact item but a different color, and that one 497 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,440 color will just set them off. 498 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,559 Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe, who knows, Maybe that's why they like one 499 00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:29,480 thing over another exactly. 500 00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:31,759 Speaker 3: And you bought up a great point when you said, 501 00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:35,039 when you visit someone to shoot the cats, you bring 502 00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:38,079 a bag of different things. It would probably be a 503 00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:40,880 good idea if we're planning to take pictures of our cat, 504 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,680 to have some maybe fresh toys, right. 505 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, And honestly, it only works for just a little 506 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,960 while and then they're like, eh, I'm tired of that. Yeah, 507 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,720 you can rotate out toys, you know, hide a toy, 508 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,559 hide their favorite toy for a month, and then they'll 509 00:27:57,599 --> 00:27:59,960 be all excited when it comes out for photo. 510 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: That's good. What about catnip or they get too crazy 511 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:05,319 or it just depends on the cat. 512 00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 4: Depends on the cat. I do bring catnip spray to 513 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:14,720 put on things sometimes, I honestly haven't noticed it makes 514 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,000 much of a difference for photos. They're generally a little 515 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,519 more interested in the other things that I'm doing. 516 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 3: Okay, great points. Where can people go to your side 517 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,039 to find out more? I know I said it before, 518 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,839 but why don't you share their website? 519 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:38,359 Speaker 4: Sure it's Karen Hoagland. That's Hoglundphotography dot com. And I'm 520 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:43,200 also in Instagram Karen Hogland Photo, Facebook, Karen Hoagland Photography. 521 00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:46,359 Speaker 3: Karen, thank you so much for coming on Altitude and 522 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,599 sharing these great tips about how to take pictures of 523 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,200 your cat and what to do when we're hiring a photographer. 524 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,480 Thank you very much. 525 00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:56,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. 526 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,559 Speaker 3: I hope you all enjoyed this show. What fun talking 527 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:04,000 to a cat photographer. It's also I think a lot 528 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,079 of fun for you and a great way to engage 529 00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,759 with your cat and if you want just a great 530 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,799 professional picture that we had some great tips on what 531 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,680 to look for for a professional caut photographer. So thank 532 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000 you Karen for coming on Catitude. I want to thank 533 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,640 my cat crew, Dennis, Charlotte and Molly for let me 534 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,480 take pictures of them. Most of the time it's me 535 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,839 who means the work, not them. I have to get better. 536 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,960 Thank you to everyone listening in Catitude. I so appreciate 537 00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,359 you listening and being loyal. Thank you so much, and 538 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,079 of course thank you to the magic my producer, Mark Winter. 539 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,119 This show would not be the same without the magic 540 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,680 he works on every single episode, So thank you so much, Mark, 541 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,599 and hey, remember lose to attitude, have catitude. 542 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk bets every week on demand only on petlifradio 543 00:29:55,039 --> 00:30:09,880 dot com. 544 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:00,759 Speaker 3: A