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You guys rock. So, without further ado, I'm going to

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bring my guest on, Chad Meeks. What's going on? My

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friend Derek.

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Speaker 5: I guess it's Buenos tardes in Mexico. Good afternoon here.

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I guess it's ten o'clock in on the coast and

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you are over around twelve o'clock. But anyway, happy to

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be here, Derek.

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Speaker 4: Twelve o'clock noon. Judging by the title of your book

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and upcoming film, Giant Rock, the greatest UFO story never told,

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the audacity, the greatest UFO story that no one's heard,

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never told. What's up with the title?

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Speaker 6: Man, oh man, you know.

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Speaker 5: Actually it was an actor friend of mine at the

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time that says, hey, man, this is the greatest UFO

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story that has never been told. And I said, well,

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let's stick it on the book cover, and let's stick

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it out on the movie and we'll call that the

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subtitled Giant Rock the greatest UFO story they never told.

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But in essence, Giant Rock, which is a nine foot

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or excuse me, nine story displaced boulder out in the

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middle of desert, were actually carved out where my aunt, uncle,

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distant relatives, me all used to live in out in

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the middle of nowhere, about forty two miles outside of

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Speaker 6: But it's a giant rock, and every year there was

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anywhere from.

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Speaker 5: Five to twelve thousand people that all came out there,

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All people who experienced UFO abduction, had sightings, you name it.

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Giant Rock. And during the fifties and the sixties and

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in the seventies it was the definitive meeting place for

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all UFO contactees. So and a lot of strange and

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weird things happened. Some of the people that were involved

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out there were people like Howard Hughes, which was a

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friend of my uncle, which you know, the Aviator actually

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put money up for some of my uncle's research on

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time travel, and and a lot of interesting people, the

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whole a whole colossal amount of things. And you know,

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as time went on, you know, and as I got older,

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old timers which were dying off one by one. I said, hey,

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I better get this in print and I and even

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where you guys were living, right, So these people were

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Speaker 6: Were living there. Yeah, they're living out there.

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Speaker 4: Awesome and awkward at the same time. Because I think

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in the field, because I get I get a flood

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of in boxes and messages different people. Some of them

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of what these people are trying to say. Sometimes were

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Speaker 5: And actually one of the things that my uncle did,

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that time period. Airline pilots and military pilots. I'd be

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I see military planes and helicopters out at my uncle's

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restaurant all sitting around back time. Everyone smoked cigarettes and

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drank coffee and sitting around tables talking and I didn't

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figure out what they were. I didn't know what they

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were doing there, but I guess what he was there

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was a safe place is my uncle. He had such

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a huge information and was an experiencer and a channel

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or himself that he actually explained to them their experiences

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so they could actually deal in the real world. Because

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a sighting or experience, you were out of a job

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and they had no one to talk to.

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Speaker 6: So he really was a really.

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Speaker 5: Kind of a a UFO humanitarian too as far as

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helping all those folks.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting you say that, kind of like this podcast

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has kind of been like a beacon as well to

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kind of be a place where you can you can

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talk about these encounters and instance instances because when I

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was first having my UFO encounters, I didn't really have

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many people to talk to. My friends thought I was crazy.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I would come from the religious right, so anything that's

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that's out there that's not mentioned of per name in

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the Bible is demonic, right, So I'm going around to

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my church friends and stuff talking about in UFOs and

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having encounters like this, right. So I basically reached out

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to a whole bunch of different people who had their

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own radio shows I know James Gillilan at the East

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SETI Ranch. I reached out to him and some of

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his people and calling, calling into radio shows just to

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try to make sense about what's going on. So when

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people are having these encounters and they have no idea

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how to explain it, if they're going crazy or what,

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a place of solitude is needed, whether it's a physical

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place that you guys had, or a place like this

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like a podcast for people to come on and share

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their stories, just to know at the very minimum that

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they're not going crazy and they're not losing their mind exactly.

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Speaker 6: In fact, you know, I appreciate that because.

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Speaker 5: You know what, you know, we our family was split,

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you know, with my mother was coming from this very

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judaic Christian In fact, you'll love if you get in

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the book, you're gonna you're gonna identify with the character

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I called Chase because Chase and his encounter with Pastors Jack,

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which chases me. And I was trying to explain to

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Pastor Jack what all this was going on, and he

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basically held up the Bible and told me the same thing.

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Speaker 6: He read me the right Act. He says, there are

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no such things as UFOs.

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Speaker 5: There's only demons and you're possessed and I'm sitting there

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going you know, and so that kind of shut me down.

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to him? I thought he was causing all this stuff

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and he was the last person.

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Speaker 6: Wanted to talk to. I lived here because I didn't know.

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I didn't know what was going on.

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, it was for me, it was, you know,

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a pretty traumatic thing. And then not to be able

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to talk to it with family or anybody, it makes

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your head want to implode.

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Speaker 6: It's tough, Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 4: It's deep, man, because I don't know why. But as

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you're talking about this, I really feel like people it

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almost has the same sense of and I hate I

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hate the equated to this, but like someone who's been

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molested or someone who's been touched or something like, they're

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ashamed to talk about it. They don't want to come

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out in the open. You can't just go to anybody

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and say, hey, did you know that this happened to me?

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and then they hear about stories like yours or mine

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or whatever, and then it creates this safe haven. And

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molestation thing is like what we're seeing now with celebrities

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coming forward saying yeah, I was I was molested, I

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was touched or whatever, and not everybody's coming forth, not

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everybody's doing it, almost like what the whole deal with

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the UFO phenomenon. Now celebrities are coming out, I've had

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a UFO encounter, I've seen a ship, and it creates

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this safe space where it's okay to talk about this stuff.

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Speaker 5: It is well also too when you talk about you know,

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there's other things called like psychic molestation too, where literally

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your shakras are completely blown out and literally you know

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you don't know what's you know, you know what end

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is up. But here's an example. I mean, your whole

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perception chain ages. Once you have that, you're changed for

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life indelibly. Like for instance, I remember I had a

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balloon and I was with some family members and the

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balloon got away from me and they go, why aren't

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you crying, little boy? And I said, listen, I said,

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my my father, he's going to come up. He's going

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to fly up there and grab that balloon. I actually

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believed that. I said, I said people, and I tell

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him I was looking at a group of people. People

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can fly. And yet they kind of snickered and they're

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all kind of laughing at me. They just didn't understand

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that I knew that people could fly.

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Speaker 6: Now they didn't know.

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Speaker 5: But that's just the prime example as far as your perception,

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as far as it's completely different it is.

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Speaker 4: It's it's yeah, it's awarded to each person a measure

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of faith, and so you're basically limited to your perception.

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something that's very interesting. We see a lot of the

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religious art from the popes flying around town like in

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their art throughout the centuries, and that was something that

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was reportedly the hopes used to do. Used to go

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out into the town squares and levitate and fly around,

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and I know it was. It was so common that

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they ended up making a movie about it called the

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Flying Nun, a woman's whose whose faith was so extraordinary

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that she couldn't even stay seated on the ground. They

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had to like tire to a chair and nail it

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to the ground because she kept flying away because of

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her faith and she believed that it was possible. And

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to them that believe all things are possible.

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Speaker 5: Right, absolutely, Sally phil And I remember the show who

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Could You Know? As far as that No, yeah, and

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actually that that's that's a that's a good point you

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bring up, because that, if anything, I got from all

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that stuff, which instantly was traumatic for me because it

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set me apart. And and literally the science of actually

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starting to find out your DNA changes once you've encountered

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and extra treassure your actual DNA and they and they

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called then they called the psychic antenna that you get

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so and so you actually know when things are going

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to be happening and all that stuff and people and

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well how do you know? Well, another little story I

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years old, and and you had to guess the amount

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of come closest to the amount of jelly beans, and

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uh and a number just came my head of this

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and it just came ahead and it was to the letter.

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could understand how I knew the exact number. They thought

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that one of the you know people had given me

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the number. So so it brings all kinds of interesting

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things and challenges, you know, to you because people don't

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know how, how or why you know, and and and

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it's like you know, and then you don't even know,

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and then you question yourself.

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Speaker 6: So it runs a whole gamut.

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Speaker 5: So I certainly I have I'm very empathetic with, you know,

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people who have actually had contacts. I've done you know,

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a lot of counting over over the years as far

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as with them just to basically chat with them, talk

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and walk them through let them know that that they're okay.

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And the bottom line is that they have a right

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to basically tell somebody else about their experiences without any

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kind of dispersion.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And and and.

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Speaker 4: That right there. Because I've done some some sessions as well,

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whether it's people who have like childhood trauma and wounds

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like that, or who have had uh extraterrestrial encounters as well.

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session or something like that, or trying to bring healing

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or understanding is just being there for them to talk to.

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listening and having a safe place where hey, it's okay

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to talk about this stuff.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's kind of like plutonium.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're carrying around, you're really carrying around a

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lot of the information, uh, you know, of the ages,

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and it is the information is of a different dimension

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even though you know, you know, we live in a

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three D world and you know where it's all about

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the fuck and this and this and this, and then

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you have this completely other abstraction of the whole UFO phenomenon.

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of you. It's like, you know, he just has to

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get out and you have to express it. I think

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a lot of people have had all kinds of very

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difficult psychological problems by not revealing to other people about this.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: Doctor John Mack, he was a Harvard psychiatrist and he

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did a lot of work with this, and he never

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ever wanted to go into into the whole you know,

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contact the UFO.

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Speaker 6: He was out of Harvest.

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Speaker 5: He was a psychiatrist, award winning psychiatrist anyway, So he

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figured as far as on the abduction side, that it

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was anywhere from up to between the years nineteen fifty

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five and sixty five that there were two million people

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abducted here. So the numbers are staggering. And and actually

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his numbers are I think they're concerned as far as

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what the actual contact that people are having with with

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with both benevolent ets and the more sinister or or

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or demonic type uh type type.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like a bunch of places that we can go,

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especially with that statement, but I want to go back

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to the beginning. Man, talk a little bit about some

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of the first encounters that you've had with the other realms,

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like as a child.

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Speaker 6: Well, actually, and and you know it's it's uh.

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Speaker 5: I come from a you know, Judea Christian you know

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background and all that pretty uh And so I was

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the first one. This is where it all opened up,

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is I literally stood on top of the my grandmother's

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old trailer and I was and I was just four

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years old, you know, asking about just starting to find

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out about God, which is a pretty advanced from the years.

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And and I looked up my hands, I put a

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prayer and I said, I said, hey, if if there's

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a God, then please call my name. And I mean

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within that second, I had this blasting going in my ears.

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It was like sound like trumpets, you know, calling my

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name and and and so yeah, tell that to a

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psychiatrist anyway.

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Speaker 6: Anyways, so what did I do.

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Speaker 5: I was on top of this little airstream trailer and

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my grandmother had a bunch of scraps and boxes. I jumped,

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I flew off that little airstream tailor onto there and

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I ran into the house and I hid underneath my

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grandmother's bed.

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Speaker 6: So that was my first experience. And then from there

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it was boom boom boom.

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Speaker 5: And shortly thereafter I had an actually uh an abduction experience.

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I was teleported through a glass window UH in the

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same room with two of my brothers.

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Speaker 6: I was brought in. They were the very very the

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short grays.

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Speaker 5: They stood around me and they were communicating with me

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telepathically and doing their instrumentation and investigation, telling me not

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to worry, that I would never remember this, and that

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that they had that they had a job to do,

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and that I need to relax and be calm, which

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you know, again a big request uh A number one

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and ever forgot it, you know, the experience, you know,

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I remembered I woke up with a severe high temperature

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and I also stuttered profusely. I couldn't keep and it

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lasted for about six months. I couldn't speak. So it

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had rattled my world. And uh, they and then you know,

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that was the first, and and that the the The

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abductions kept on occurring till I was about ten years old,

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primarily out in the desert, and then actually even in

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the city you know where we where, you'd have laps

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time where you know, people would literally come up missing,

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you know, I come up missing and what have you. So,

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so that was a whole history of it. The the

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towards the end, I stopped letting them. Uh you know,

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I refused to be abducted. In fact, I was on

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a swing set one time and they and telepathically.

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Speaker 6: It was very it was a great day. I couldn't

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see the ship and.

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Speaker 5: They kept on saying, yeah, come with us, come with us,

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and I go, no, I'm not coming this time.

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Speaker 6: And so they started to pull my swing all the

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way up, you know, and so my feet.

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Speaker 5: Were actually flying the air and my hands literally got

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blood hanging on and I'm not going. I'm not going,

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I'm not going. And then it came right back down

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and that was the last time I was ever physically

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abducted for a while.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that was it. So I did refuse, but

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before that, I'd have missing time. Uh.

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Speaker 5: This also too ran in parallel with my cousins and

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brothers and sisters. There was a whole cluster of of

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h of these kind of abductions. Some were more mistif

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mistevious than others. Uh and uh, but for the most part,

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no one died. My my cousins psychologically, they ended up.

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I had one cousin actually end up killing himself because

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he couldn't handle all the uh, you know, sensations and

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all this stuff. He was just one gigantic vortex of

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uh uh you know the stuff, and he eventually just

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couldn't handle him more so he left the Europe. So

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I was really satisfied that that was my uncle's uh,

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that was my uncle's grandson, Sean and so. But yeah,

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but his went on. His never stopped. So yeah, his

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inductions never stopped.

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Speaker 4: So, Yeah, you talked about being a young man praying,

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asked talking to God and say, if you're real show

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me that you're real. You hear a voice in your

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inner ear scares the mess out of you. There's a

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I think there's a connection there because I have, you know,

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similar story of trying to find out if God is real,

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and for some reason, these et beings are kind of connected.

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There's spaceships, there's ships that are in the night sky,

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that are in the day sky that communicate with you telepathically.

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That sound just like you were describing that voice that

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you heard as a kid when you're looking up to

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the sky praying absolutely.

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Speaker 5: In fact, my uncle has a description which I you know,

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it's funny. I go to some of his books, you know,

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he was a very prolific writer, and he was explaining

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that they that some of the aliens or group Aliens,

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they use a thing called an edophone, and that when

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then they watch us from a very long distance, they

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can see our every move and at times they basically

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will send an omnibing with a message inside of your head.

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Speaker 6: And that's how that that that's and you.

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Speaker 5: Know, but when you're when you're when you're young and

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what have you, you don't know that you know, everything's

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pretty simple. You know, there's God, Jesus, et cetera, et cetera.

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You just think everything's coming from God, but it could

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have you know, it was. It was in fact a

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message that yeah, uh, you know these beings to you know,

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basically embrace that. So that's what started it, and that's

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what starts this whole physical transformation as far as that.

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Whenever you have communication with the super sensible world, it

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changes you. It changes your DNA. So that's kind of

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what happened.

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Speaker 6: That was. And even no matter how far I'd want

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to run away or hide from any of this stuff.

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Speaker 5: That's the other thing too, is that, yeah, yeah, you

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may you can run, but you can't hide. And and

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and I used to sit my uncle was on the television.

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I used to sit with my buddies. And this is

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back in the you know, when I kind of got

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a little bit older, you know, sixteen seventeen years old.

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Speaker 6: My uncle would come on.

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Speaker 5: TV and talk about all this stuff on Discovery Under

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or whatever. And uh, you know, amidst the partying at

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stew everyone goes, oh, wow, this is the coolest thing

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I ever heard in my life.

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Speaker 6: And I and I just sat there. Yeah, I did

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not want to go into it at all with them.

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Speaker 5: So it's going to because I was so caught up

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and trying to be uh normal, you know, So it

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was yeah, and but normal that normal wasn't for me,

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no matter how how hard. And but also to in

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my career, you know, I mean listen, I ran around

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gas companies of uh you know, done investment banking. I've

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been on the financial world and all that stuff. But

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it wasn't until I got you older and a little

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bit more relaxed subject matter. And now I don't I

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don't have to hide any of this. I can basically

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be direct and I and kind of let all this

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stuff go. And I did so with both the book

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and a screenplay.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, talking about the different good and bad aliens

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or good and bad ets or angels and demons, whatever

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we want to categorize the mass back in the the

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eighties for me, But you know, even before you heard

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all of these, I guess the nineties to the abduction

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stories where people were taking aboard ships and done all

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this this work too, and experimented on and cut open

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and had stuff put in their bodies and a very horrific,

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terrifying experience. Right, listening to the majority of what I

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consider et contact cases now we don't really hear the

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term abduction anymore, like people were taken against their will.

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It's almost like there's a longing within people to touch

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the divine or to know that something out there that's

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you know, godlike or greater than themselves exists. And so

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whenever people are having contact now, they're calling themselves contact

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these versus I was taken against my will and things

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like that has And I know some people, you know,

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we mentioned James Gillillen talked about that a lot of

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these bad e t S or the bad Grays are

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kind of phasing out. What do you feel as far

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as the difference between where we started with the abduction

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scenarios to where we are today.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's there's two schools of thought and and I

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and I and I don't know definitively.

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Speaker 6: I just have an opinion.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think our government was involved in a

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lot of this stuff too, and I and I think

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that I think the Grays might have been a creation

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of that for them gathering additional you.

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Speaker 6: Know, data and c.

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Speaker 5: And that might have been a deal, uh, you know,

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with that Eisenhower made, you know, with with the Grays

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for technology transfers. So I think that that was the

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given and and and so it subsided. Now along with that,

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there there is protective like the Nordics and some of

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the other they're protective and they're they're they're the watchers

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and they basically watch over and not allow us to

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get you know, completely hammered. So there, I I did

477
00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:02,359
sense that that that feeling of that of that goodness

478
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,519
or divinity that was around me protecting you.

479
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:06,319
Speaker 6: So but I did feel it.

480
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 5: But at the same time, what I was seeing, and

481
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,240
you know, it was just so surreal and made no

482
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,680
sense at all comparatively to my you know, you know,

483
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:18,680
you know, to my regular world is just really it's

484
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:22,880
a phenomenon that it's so hard to describe, you know.

485
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:27,240
I also I've also had some very very extraordinary experiences.

486
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:30,599
One one I was brought and I believe that they

487
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,799
were with divine entity. They showed me, they showed me

488
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,599
how everything works as far as that they showed.

489
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 6: They brought me to this colorful.

490
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 5: Molecular wall, and you know, and I was very very

491
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:46,359
depressed at you know, twelve and thirteen years old, and

492
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,759
you know, I was I was contemplating killing myself too.

493
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,799
But I was whisked off to this place and shown

494
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,039
and said, hey, look, and they showed me a bright

495
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,559
light and he says, well, and it was way down low,

496
00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:00,480
and he says, this is where you're at now, he says,

497
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,480
you know, he says, And then they showed me a

498
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,799
light which was higher and more the lights were radiant,

499
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,079
he says, And this is he says, And this is.

500
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 6: Where you need to go before you leave the earth. Okay,

501
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,759
this is where you need to be.

502
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 5: He says, don't And I was told, don't ever think

503
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,960
about taking your life ever.

504
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,079
Speaker 6: Because this is what your destiny is to do. Not

505
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:21,960
get in a way with this.

506
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 5: So so yeah, from that part, you know the strength

507
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,079
I mean there, I mean, granted I had some bad ones,

508
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,799
but I also had some really good ones. I also

509
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:30,039
had spontaneous healings.

510
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know too. So I mean I've had, uh,

511
00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:35,240
you know, one.

512
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 5: Time for some reason, I was attacked and I had

513
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:41,640
had almost two inch boils all over my body and

514
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:44,920
I literally had had the messengers tell me to basically

515
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,400
just get getting a warm bath, turn off the light

516
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,119
and count backwards and breathe, and so I did it,

517
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,240
and then I had this out of body experience that

518
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,079
went up and I went through and I saw all

519
00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:01,000
the panoramic universes and all the multi multiversesvizations brought through

520
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,680
the whole thing, and uh, and then I was at

521
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,799
and I kept on going through the various wormholes, and

522
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,599
then I was asked. I said, Okay, now you're gone

523
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,279
too far. You have to turn back now, or you're

524
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,119
going to come up here. And I said, no, I

525
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,160
need to go back with my wife and my children.

526
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:20,720
And I was brought back immediately. Well, you know, one

527
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,000
of the things that happened was all there was no

528
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:25,039
evidence of the boils and I had a whole bunch

529
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,039
of them that they're all gone, and I was completely

530
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,440
cured of it. But the experience is like indelible in

531
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,680
my brain, you know, as far as that as far

532
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,880
as what it is out there in the universe.

533
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 6: And there's countless universes.

534
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:41,519
Speaker 4: So yeah, talking about that the Grays may have been

535
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,720
working with the government, or that the Grays may be

536
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,960
some people say these type of suits or robots. You

537
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:53,920
hear all kind of stuff about these theories. When we're

538
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,200
talking about the early abduction phenomenon. There's a lot of

539
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:04,200
people who, like you say, believe it's that the government

540
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,839
have something to do with it, because they wake up

541
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,920
on a ship or in some weird room and they

542
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,920
look around and there's these gray alien like beings that

543
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,640
are operating on them, messing with them, poking them, prodding them,

544
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:17,680
things like that, and they look over in the corner

545
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,880
and there's a man dressed in military garb. And so

546
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,680
there's something called the my lab abductions military induced abductions,

547
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:30,359
where for me, I definitely think it's used to cause

548
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,880
fear in hysteria in the community with as far as abductions. Therefore,

549
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,200
if you see a UFO, if you see a bright

550
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:39,400
light in the night sky, you won't try to signal it,

551
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,759
you won't try to make contact with it, because people

552
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,519
are doing that now. People are making contact with these

553
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,200
ships and these beings that are out there, and there's

554
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,279
a fear in hysteria there, especially with the movies and

555
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,400
stuff like that that came out and that time. So

556
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,480
talk a little bit about the my lab stuff. Do

557
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,759
you have any more info or have you ever seen

558
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:00,799
any anybody who is a part of the government on

559
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,000
these craft and things like that.

560
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 5: Well, I personally have not but I'm you know, I

561
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,319
will interject something, you know, back even you know, during

562
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,720
World War Two, the food fighters were over the UH,

563
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,160
over the channel, and it was scaring Churchill out of

564
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,119
his mind because all these airplane pilots would come back

565
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,720
and explain what they were seeing or seeing you know,

566
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,079
ships that were you know, right outside their window and

567
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,640
and and actually going inside their planes, et cetera, et cetera.

568
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,319
Speaker 6: I mean some of the phenomenon was just going on,

569
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,480
and so it was very confusing.

570
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,319
Speaker 5: So he actually had talked extensively with Roosevelt and then

571
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,160
later Truman about about, hey, what if everyone you know

572
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:40,319
knows that that we're not alone here, then people stopped

573
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,960
going to church, and they'll stop paying taxes, and they'll

574
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,240
stop supporting the government. And that's the biggest fear because really,

575
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,200
I think if people knew their connection this outer super

576
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,920
sensible world, I think the whole narrative would change in

577
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,319
our lives. I think that the cycle paths that are

578
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,559
running this UH world, and I think I think they're

579
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,880
kind of either walk ins or or or or bred

580
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,799
ins or whatever.

581
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,519
Speaker 6: It makes no sense with all the you know.

582
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 5: Uh, just just evil that's going on when there's when

583
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,759
there's so much that we have and that we can

584
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,599
easily share and everyone would be happy. Instead, we live

585
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,759
in a world where you know, zero point one percent

586
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,160
control everything and and and all this uh and and

587
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,200
all these people are occupied with various gadgets in various stuff,

588
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,400
and they don't get the real heart of stuff, you know,

589
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,559
which is our connection and our legacy. And this is

590
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,039
the most important thing about it. This is our legacy.

591
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:38,440
These are like family members that you know, we are

592
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:42,759
connected to this whole multi multiverse, you know. And it's

593
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,039
not synthetic, it's you know, it's not uh, you know,

594
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:48,799
they're trying to introduce you know, AI, you know, technology,

595
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,119
et cetera section which I think are our remnant of

596
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:51,720
the Grays.

597
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 6: You know, it's there's something. There's just something off, including

598
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:56,200
the other the one.

599
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 5: The other step was The Men in Black, which you

600
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:01,920
know I I saw, you know, you see the cartoon,

601
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,680
you know, movies and shows which are you know, led

602
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,519
to distract you.

603
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,759
Speaker 6: And I And as I'm watching that, I had a

604
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,279
I had a.

605
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:13,319
Speaker 5: Neurosurgeon whose dad worked with my uncle on time travel,

606
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,759
and he had actually witnesses the Men in Black.

607
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:21,559
Speaker 6: Now this guy uh, very very very renowned neurosurgeon.

608
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 5: Contact he was talking and and and the men in

609
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,960
black came to his house and told his father, who

610
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:29,480
was a scientist, who was a physicist, to stop working

611
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,720
with George van Tassel or that they'd come back and

612
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:34,559
kill the entire family. Well, you know, that's kind of

613
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,000
real stuff that that that I have been accustomed to.

614
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,680
And they say the men in black are also military

615
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,839
agents also, so again this is all conjecture. And I

616
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,119
you know, we're getting more and more stuff. But you know,

617
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:50,519
I just know, you know, when I talk to people,

618
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,279
and based on my own experiences and things like that,

619
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,319
when I hear something about you know, the labs and

620
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,359
you know, all that stuff, it adds credibility to it.

621
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:04,759
Speaker 4: Definitely. Whenever you first came out talking about this stuff,

622
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,200
you know, you know, I think kind of how we

623
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,720
talked about a while ago, how people are freaked out,

624
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,960
they don't have nobody to talk to things like that.

625
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,640
You kind of come from a place where it was

626
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,079
okay to talk about this stuff and it was welcomed

627
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,759
and even applauded. I guess with your uncle, right, people

628
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,759
are like he's almost like a celebrity. So whenever you

629
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,720
started talking about it, did you get any backlash? Was

630
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,119
were you embraced, were you trying to piggyback off of

631
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,319
his legacy? What type of feedback did you get on

632
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,680
the early days of just talking about this stuff.

633
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I've been talking the old timers, and

634
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,440
of course, you know, you know, for for a long

635
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,000
long time, and I don't even know. In fact, I've

636
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:45,279
had a lot of very weird experiences. I had a

637
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:48,319
group out of San Diego and I was living in Utah.

638
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,640
Time called me up, says, listen, we want to start

639
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,480
your uncle's ministry and get this thing going. So they

640
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,119
flew me out to San Diego and wanted me to

641
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,799
restart that whole thing. And at the time, I was

642
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,319
running mining company and I was in the material world,

643
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:03,240
and I said, hey, you got the wrong guy. I said, hey,

644
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:05,920
let me give you some money, let me do somebody.

645
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:07,880
I don't I don't want to be that guy, you know,

646
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,079
as far as that, So I've kind of had a connection,

647
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,920
but I just kind of when I came out, everyone

648
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,200
started warning me, is aren't you afraid?

649
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 6: And I go, you know, listen, you know I'm a

650
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,799
little bit older. My kids are raised.

651
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,279
Speaker 5: I said, there's there's it's the time to be me

652
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,400
and the time basically speak my truth, and you know,

653
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,079
and I'm gonna do it. I can be it, visit

654
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:29,720
the books, movies, whatever, you know, as far as I

655
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:32,000
and I and I was a direct witness out there,

656
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,359
you know, at Giant Rock.

657
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,039
Speaker 6: I lived out there, and I experienced all this firsthand.

658
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,319
Speaker 5: And uh, I'm probably the only one of the whole

659
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,680
entire family that is actually that has taken a public profile.

660
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,599
Speaker 6: And I thought about that too a couple of things,

661
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640
you know, why me? And and then then you can

662
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,599
will why not me?

663
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 5: And uh, I kind of feel it's my it's kind

664
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,960
of my job to to share my experiences and and

665
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,920
experiences of others to basically make again make people feel

666
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:02,720
that they're not so odd and make you feel comfortable.

667
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 6: And that's the biggest purpose.

668
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,319
Speaker 5: Now also too, when I was writing the book, and

669
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,079
uh uh, when I which is a great experience, I

670
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,840
was writing the book down, I had this amazing, amazing,

671
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,400
just epiphany and and it says, this is this is

672
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,039
by far more than a book or a movie. This

673
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,559
is so much more important and so just go with

674
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,760
it wherever this takes you, and that's kind of what

675
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,880
that's kind of what I'm doing.

676
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 6: So yeah, there it is.

677
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 4: Did you feel a sense of guidance while writing the

678
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,159
book and getting those stories out and reliving them like

679
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,320
we want you to tell this?

680
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:43,039
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah no, Derek, Yeah, absolutely, that was That

681
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,840
was so I mean, literally, you know, now at first,

682
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:46,639
now hear my straight.

683
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,679
Speaker 6: Here, here's my cowardly strategy.

684
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 5: I'm just going to write a book about my uncle

685
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Frank christ all the all the big timers, et cetera,

686
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,280
et cetera. And and I got down there and I

687
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,159
was writing, like, you know, one or two words, and

688
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,679
it was like it was like I had bricks on

689
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,719
my hand as far as that, and I had this

690
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,920
my uncle and my uncle he sends stuff to him,

691
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,199
and he says, he says, hey, he says, you write

692
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:09,639
this story however you want. He says, you know, where's

693
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:12,519
that is? Make it make it interesting, make it colorful.

694
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:14,880
People and go on internet and figure out what they

695
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,119
want to figure out about this. They're all getting different meanings.

696
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:18,639
But you just write it the way you want it.

697
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,480
And I mean, dude, I mean, the thing was just

698
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:22,559
it was like lightning.

699
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,599
Speaker 6: It was like do so. So then so then so

700
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,000
I said.

701
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 5: Then then I got to say, okay, there's something missing

702
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,320
here and and that's when I introduced a character named Chase,

703
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,119
and there the story was was me. What was missing

704
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,119
the story was me because I'm an extension of that legacy.

705
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:41,159
And uh uh and and also too, there's other parts

706
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,119
like I have an assistant producer that I've worked with him,

707
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,119
him and six of their friends. They had an induction

708
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,960
experience out there in two thousand and three, so I

709
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:53,559
had to get that in there too, so, you know,

710
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,559
so kind of make it all contemporary. Uh you know,

711
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,280
it's it's it's either a trilogy or probably a two

712
00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,960
season net.

713
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 6: The uh uh you know equivalent. But yeah, we'll see, Yeah,

714
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:03,639
we'll see.

715
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely bro. So in the end of of

716
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,280
of everything, I say the end because I know your

717
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,320
story is still unfolding now, and it's still as long

718
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,559
as you're an open kinduit and you've already put the

719
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,960
book out and you're working on the movie, like you know,

720
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,800
there's there's there's definitely more to come, especially when you're

721
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,920
open to receive and they've been working with you. But

722
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,599
at this point, though, looking back at everything. Was it

723
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:33,239
a good experience or was it bad? As far as

724
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,239
the abductions and the contact, I know it was kind

725
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,119
of a mixed mixed experiences. Would you welcome it? Was

726
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:41,920
it good? Or is it bad? Would you not wish

727
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,760
this on anyone? Or or what I mean, what's the

728
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,119
uh the bottom line of the feeling when you look back,

729
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:50,079
what's the feeling all the all.

730
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,519
Speaker 6: The actually it's all the above. I've guys got to

731
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:53,159
work with all that.

732
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, but but today, first of all, if you know,

733
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,719
I wouldn't be me, I wouldn't be who I am

734
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,039
and I have and I happen to like me, you.

735
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:02,679
Speaker 6: Know, as far as that.

736
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 5: And I've survived a lot of stuff, you know, as

737
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,559
far as that's and and and those experiences made me stronger,

738
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,199
you know, granted it was really a difficult situation a

739
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,239
lot of things, but they made me stronger. It made

740
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,280
me a better person. That advanced my intellect. I mean,

741
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,239
the stuff that the gifts that got along with it.

742
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:22,360
You know, it's like everything there's this good. You know,

743
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,719
there's good and bad with that whole thing. And you know,

744
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,480
like and information and knowledge, you know, unless you're unless

745
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,000
you can adapt to it and and and make use

746
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:31,239
of it.

747
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:33,679
Speaker 6: It can be dangerous, you know, as.

748
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 5: Far as that, But fortunately I've kind of had I've

749
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,960
kind of had a guiding hand from from the people

750
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:41,280
that have passed on. And there's a whole group of

751
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,159
people and they're in the thousands that want to get

752
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,920
I want to want to see this this thing done,

753
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,239
and they're still pushing, you know, to get it done.

754
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,320
And and they're also forces out there pushing this not

755
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,599
to get done too there Incidentally, it's not I mean

756
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:58,679
there you know, there's a you can tell. I mean,

757
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,119
there's there is a whole thing, and people are scared

758
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:04,840
of this information, just like they're scared of everyone's individual stories.

759
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,039
People don't want to hear this, you know, but you

760
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:10,559
know they're going to hear it, you know, and it's

761
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:13,639
growing and growing. In fact, the amazing thing about it

762
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,840
is when I started this thing, which is really uh

763
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,280
you know, copyrighted the book in twenty twelve. When it

764
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,000
started to write at twenty twelve, I mean, there was

765
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,480
all this explosion of all of this, you know, ye eightians,

766
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:28,519
all this stuff. So I guess it was the right

767
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,960
time for me to come out. It's kind of like

768
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,679
I also kind of equate it to kind of like

769
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,119
being gay or or that thing you kind of come

770
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:36,079
out of the closet here.

771
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: I am.

772
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:46,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely those those early years whenever you first started

773
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:50,400
talking about it, did you, I mean, I know you

774
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,079
said you was accepted, you were you was embraced, but

775
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:56,039
you felt like you were led by that higher that

776
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,480
higher power. Would you equate it to the same thing

777
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,039
as the guy voice early on or or do they

778
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:05,199
You have to discern the two voices and kind of,

779
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,599
you know, kind of figure out what's trying to contact you,

780
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,159
what kind of voices are speaking to you in your

781
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,559
inner ear? You know what I'm saying?

782
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I you know, I do.

783
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:15,679
Speaker 2: You know.

784
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 6: It's like you know who who's there? You know, you

785
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:19,280
know who who's saying this?

786
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 5: You know, and you're and you're always hey, listen, I

787
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,639
always am questioning my my old I'm always questioning myself,

788
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:27,079
So well, where am I getting that from?

789
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 6: Et cetera, et cetera.

790
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,119
Speaker 5: But what I've done is over the years of kind

791
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:34,400
of I won't say, I won't say anything in the

792
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:36,519
terms of mastering it, but what I've done is I've

793
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,840
accepted it and so I said, okay, lit and listen

794
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:43,360
and listen. And one thing I've become in my in

795
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,320
my life is a good listener. And so I think

796
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,599
that's part of the whole thing where I listened to what,

797
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,119
you know, what's being told here. Now I also too,

798
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,559
you know, I've I've also had to uh you know,

799
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,800
when you're when you get off the three D world

800
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,239
or the little mice trap, you know, like for instance,

801
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,719
uh uh you know, I started a renewal of energy

802
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,800
college in in the in the Midwest. And this was

803
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,119
and and eventually spent a lot of money, became uh

804
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,599
and it was an economic failure. But you know, I

805
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,719
had that whole thing unfolded to me and uh, you know,

806
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,800
as far as what it is is, well, you know, yeah,

807
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,920
it may not be a success, but doesn't matter.

808
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 6: It says you need to be doing this, you need

809
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,320
to be learning about all this other stuff.

810
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,159
Speaker 5: So it was a wealth of information and I and

811
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,840
I knew, I said, okay, I know, I'm kind of

812
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,480
out there, but I did it anyways. So and and

813
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,719
that's because I listened to the spirit. I listened to

814
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,920
whatever that was versus you know, Jesus, I mean, how

815
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,440
much cash. Am I going to make on this and

816
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:42,320
eventually end up getting eventually get bought it. I actually

817
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,800
and eventually got bought out by these Moss backed people

818
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,360
out there. That as far as that, but and and

819
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,000
it turned out okay. But but again I keep on

820
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,639
as asking why why should I be doing this if

821
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:55,039
I'm not going to make a pile of money and

822
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,000
this it doesn't this is don't think about that.

823
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,679
Speaker 6: You just do what you do what we're telling you.

824
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,760
And so I did. So yeah, anyways, but yeah, and

825
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,360
it was for me.

826
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 5: It was for me to get a background in renewables,

827
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,800
and and you know, I ran into a lot of

828
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:09,840
interesting people.

829
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 6: So it's part of my progression, you know.

830
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 4: So that's what you deal with, you know, whenever you're

831
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,519
talking about having the spiritual gifts and ability, psychic abilities

832
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,039
and things like that that increase with with contact, which

833
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:26,320
there's so much to go into on that, but I

834
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,159
guess one of them that comes along that kind of

835
00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:30,519
fits in what we're talking about is the gift of discernment,

836
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,320
to kind of be able to discern when something's about

837
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,639
to happen, if something's good or bad, you can discern it.

838
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,239
You get a feeling off off of a voice or

839
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,760
vibration or even a group of people, to walk into

840
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,480
a group of people be able to tell the intentions

841
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,000
and things like that. So I think discernment is key,

842
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:50,480
and it's a spiritual ability that we have to hone

843
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:55,320
in and use and develop. But with that being said,

844
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,719
with the discernment, and I know you don't want to

845
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,239
really call any names, and I wouldn't expect you to,

846
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:02,800
especially because you're trying to, you know, make connections and

847
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:04,760
you have a product that you need to market and

848
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,400
things like that. But in the UFO community, is there

849
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,199
people that you listen to their story? Even some of

850
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,519
the you know, the big names out there. When you

851
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,039
hear them tell their story, you just kind of pick

852
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:20,199
up on something like, you know, they're not telling all

853
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,159
the truth, They're kind of making it up as they go.

854
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:25,559
There's some people, you know, who you pick up on

855
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:29,079
and their names kind of push a red button for

856
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:32,360
many people. And ufology do you pick up on any

857
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,280
of that at all?

858
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 5: I do, And I've got a real problem with a

859
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,159
lot of the I guess they're experts, messiahs, whatever, you know,

860
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,039
and it seems like they want to elevate themselves and

861
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:49,239
kind of lower everyone else. And I was asked to

862
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,920
a panel with a guy who's done some movies and

863
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,880
I'm not going to mention names, and another guy that's

864
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,960
on a lecture shirt and all that, and the producer

865
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:01,599
out of holliways as well. You know that will help

866
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:03,360
your book, I said, you know, I just don't trust

867
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,840
those guys, Yes, I and I and I don't want

868
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,599
my message to get because my my message is from

869
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:10,360
the heart and it's just what it is and such

870
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,679
such a but I do have this sense about some

871
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,800
of these it's somewhat exploitive and I don't know what

872
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,400
their motive is. It just doesn't feel right. So I

873
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:21,920
kind of kind of fade them and shy away from

874
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:22,840
from that stuff.

875
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 6: And since essentially just do my own thing, you know

876
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:25,760
what I mean?

877
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of those those

878
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,119
people out there, And but see there, I think they're

879
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:35,519
in any niche, any any arena where you get people

880
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,079
in there and they kind of learn how to do it.

881
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:39,280
They kind of learn the key the key words, the

882
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:43,800
you know what, what pops what is almost clickbait as well.

883
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,119
There's a lot of that right now, whatever's hot at

884
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:47,960
the time, they've got something to say on it.

885
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:48,199
Speaker 3: You know.

886
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 5: Well, actually my uncle most of the techniques, especially the

887
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,559
channeling and things like that. And my uncle it was

888
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,719
him and Frank christ that developed it. And and actually

889
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,719
down to the same words and I hear the same

890
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,559
story worry of my uncle, uh through these other people

891
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,159
without getting him credit and I and so you know,

892
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,840
and so that's another two. That's the other thing too,

893
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,440
is is uh, you know these people, uh, they sacrificed everything.

894
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,400
I mean, they were the real McCoy's as far as

895
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,159
out in the middle of the middle of the desert,

896
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,320
you know, in their lives during the time where they

897
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,119
really got the hammer for coming out. And I and

898
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,960
that's been another driving force behind me wanting to especially

899
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:26,800
do the movie because they should be acknowledged because you know,

900
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,960
they literally were light years ahead of everyone and they

901
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,199
were like getting pounded in the ground for coming out

902
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,119
and mentioning it, which I think is which is so

903
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,559
typical of this uh you know linear world that we

904
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:43,119
live in. Anything that's uh of extreme value seems to

905
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,679
get you know, shouted out or boot out really quick.

906
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:46,599
Speaker 4: And uh.

907
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,079
Speaker 6: And so yeah, if if you go on the internet.

908
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 5: You can listen to some of my uncle's interviews, George

909
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,800
van Tassel that he had done. And one thing, I mean,

910
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,000
you know, some people tried to make a you know,

911
00:44:58,079 --> 00:44:59,639
kind of a joke out of it, and et cetera,

912
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:01,920
et cetera, what he's starting, trying to make him look

913
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,480
like the clown and all that stuff. But you know,

914
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,400
he just stood his ground, and I love that, And

915
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,599
he didn't get upset or anything like that. He just

916
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,760
had his message and it was just so profound and

917
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:14,199
just as a matter of fact that you know, that

918
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,039
kind of honesty, brutal honesty.

919
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,039
Speaker 6: I just I just love and so so you know,

920
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:21,679
you know, granted, you know, it wasn't uh in the

921
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,039
seventies and in the eighties, it was not.

922
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 5: Hip to be anything involved with the UFOs, you know,

923
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,519
so anyways, but but I've always shared my stories with

924
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:37,880
friends and shared my stories with other abductees. You know,

925
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,719
I've never I've never hid that part. I just didn't

926
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,719
come out the public until you know, a few years ago.

927
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,519
And uh, I and I don't care. I've had a

928
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:49,599
lot of good times with some people, uh you know, uh,

929
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:54,400
some various radio shows and and uh, you know, I think, hey, skeptics,

930
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,280
skeptics are absolutely welcome.

931
00:45:56,599 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, that's the yeah. So, I mean

932
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,159
that's the whole weird thing with the skeptics. And it's

933
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:06,239
hard for me to even go down that route with

934
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,400
them anymore because I think, you know, they haven't had

935
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,079
the encounters that you've had. I think once you've had

936
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:18,800
an experience exactly, that does it. So there's like, you know,

937
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,719
they say that you can't recreate the encounters or you

938
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,800
can't recreate the experiences. I think if somebody wants to,

939
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,679
I think they're I think they're kind of honing in

940
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,880
on on you know what I'm saying, how to make

941
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,760
contact yourself now, like I said, with the channelings or

942
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,440
like these prayers and meditation, to actually make contact with these,

943
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,119
with these beings or with these you know, angels, whatever

944
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,119
you want to call them. But it's being done now

945
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:43,079
when people can actually do it. So I think it's

946
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,079
one of the things that if you want to know

947
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,760
the truth, as far as even being a skeptic or

948
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,079
an atheist for that matter, if you want to know

949
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:53,760
the truth, the truth is really out there and you

950
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,280
can't have an encounter.

951
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,039
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, and that's what happens.

952
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: That's why I said, and that's what I always tell you, says,

953
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,599
how you know, Well, you know, you're only one encounter

954
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:04,960
away from knowing what I know. I said, you know,

955
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:08,000
and and so you know, and and it's either going

956
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:09,719
to happen or it's not. You know, as far as that,

957
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,719
there are things you can do. But I was on

958
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:17,079
I was on Eminem's show with fifty cents show, and

959
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,679
one of the one of these announcers, he was he

960
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,119
was playing with me and he goes, he goes, He goes,

961
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:24,239
I want to. He goes, I want to, uh, you know,

962
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,079
see a UFO.

963
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 6: How do you do it?

964
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 5: And I said, well, you just go out the desert,

965
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:29,920
I said, you know, and you know, you get on

966
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:32,960
one leg and and you sing and pray and until

967
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,679
one comes by.

968
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 6: And then he goes. He goes. He goes, well, what

969
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,159
if that doesn't work.

970
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:41,079
Speaker 5: I say, well you change legs, so you know, But

971
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,280
again it was kind of the gotcha, you know, and

972
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,559
I've heard all kinds of stuff, you know. One was, oh,

973
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,400
you know, ets prejudice against black people. And I said, well,

974
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,800
you know, you know, Betty Hill, I said, you know,

975
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,000
you know, you know, there's been so many encounters. I said,

976
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,800
it doesn't really matter as far as that, but anyways,

977
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,119
you just kind of what I you because I don't know,

978
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:04,000
I'm not doing my own I'm not doing my own.

979
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:06,079
Speaker 6: Radio show and all that stuff. I just kind of

980
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:07,880
just go with the flow and let people, you know.

981
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 5: But then what happens is I think we said we

982
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:14,119
put a seed in there, okay, and they heard one

983
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,039
side again and and that's all. That's all that you

984
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,760
need to happen, is to have the seed implanted in

985
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,360
your brain and then the next thing will happen.

986
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 6: You're a little bit more open to having one, you.

987
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,559
Speaker 4: Know, yep, with the success of the book and then

988
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:31,400
trying to make it into a film. Obviously when you

989
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:35,039
go from book to film, there's way much more details.

990
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,920
There's way many more stories that you couldn't really add

991
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:41,199
to a film per se. But maybe, like you kind

992
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,239
of mentioned, a series, you can kind of get more

993
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,119
of that. Are you leaning too, you know, more towards

994
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:50,320
the the film being more of a pilot to kind

995
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,079
of launch a series behind it, because there's just so

996
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,800
much information and stuff that kind of comes with it.

997
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:59,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I didn't, you know, until the whole

998
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:03,920
Netflix phenomenon. I wasn't really keen on the idea. My

999
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:06,000
whole goal was to do a feature film, then you know,

1000
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,079
maybe do a sequel and do you know, do a

1001
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:09,960
treat in which which I'm still open to. It can

1002
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,800
go either way. But then Netflix comes out and and

1003
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,920
all this other the streaming stuff. I think, Okay, I've

1004
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,440
got enough stuff for at least sixteen episodes right now,

1005
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,400
so I mean, it's already, it's already done, and uh

1006
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,960
and there's actually there's there's a ton more that can

1007
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:27,719
come as far as that. But you know, the whole

1008
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,920
movie world on which I'm kind of in, kind of out.

1009
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,480
I'm an outsider still, and I'm not buddies with Steven

1010
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,719
Spielberger or or anybody instantly. My uncle was a creative

1011
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,840
consultant for Close Encounters the Third kind, so he actually

1012
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,559
was in on that too, But but I'm not. I'm

1013
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,719
not really friends with all the big money and all that.

1014
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,840
So I'm just kind of like a little fish trying

1015
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,679
to you know, maneuver all this stuff and you know,

1016
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,719
present and say hey, listen, would this be a good idea?

1017
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,239
And then I go and then I look at Netflix

1018
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,719
and I'm like everyone else, it's been an hour and

1019
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,920
a half looking for something to watch, and I think,

1020
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,880
and I think this would fit and be of interest

1021
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:04,440
a lot of people, you know, So yes, yeah, I think.

1022
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,199
Speaker 4: It's kind of Yeah, it's kind of weird because you

1023
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,000
got some that just kind of hit or miss. But

1024
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,400
the ones that are good are really good, and they

1025
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,840
and they can kind of go down as being classics.

1026
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:21,480
I mean, there's tons of classic UFO and alien films

1027
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,360
and movies out there. Now, what are some of your

1028
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,119
favorite from the early years, some of the movies out

1029
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:28,480
there that just kind of when you watch the movie,

1030
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:31,360
it's like it just became all too real and it

1031
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:33,360
just goes down as a well. I think I think

1032
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,960
that's probably two different categories though, your favorite versus the

1033
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:37,199
ones that are real though.

1034
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 6: Right right, right, right right. My my all time favorite

1035
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,840
was Close Encounters, the Third kind.

1036
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,559
Speaker 5: I just I just I loved how they did it

1037
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,119
because that's actually in the in the timing, the setting.

1038
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:49,400
As far as my experiences there was that. But I've loved,

1039
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,239
you know, I've there's been some great like contact. I

1040
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,840
thought that opened up the whole interesting you know Jody Foster,

1041
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,519
you know, Firing the Sky, which I went the premiere.

1042
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:03,360
I thought that was yeah, so I thought that was

1043
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,519
pretty good. You know, some of the early fifties were

1044
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:09,239
way advanced. In fact, some of the segments like on

1045
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,519
Twilight Zones and yeah, there there's a lot of really

1046
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:18,880
neat television that was actually and but yeah, it's it's funny.

1047
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,440
I would think a lot more it kind of goes

1048
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:26,800
in you know, uh at ebbs and flows as far

1049
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,000
as that whole thing. But but what they did they

1050
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:31,920
brought back X Files, which I thought was really interesting.

1051
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,719
They they they the thing went, it went off, then

1052
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,000
it went to a movie. Now they brought it back

1053
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:41,079
into a series. So that's that's uh, that's that's interesting.

1054
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 6: You know.

1055
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:45,639
Speaker 5: But the numbers of people that believe in extraterrestrials or

1056
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,239
life on other planets, it's grown exponentially.

1057
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 6: It's it's it's a lot more. It used to be.

1058
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:53,039
We were in such a minority. Now it's that would

1059
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:53,960
slip in the other ways.

1060
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 5: So hopefully, you know, you know, hopefully will pick us

1061
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,199
up and we'll we'll be able to do I've had

1062
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,960
I've had a couple of close encounters with with deals

1063
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,960
where I've actually had to pass because most of them

1064
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,840
coincide with with maya, you know, with me not be

1065
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,480
involved with it, with the production of it, which will

1066
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:14,079
not will never.

1067
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we've definitely seen that in the past. And

1068
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:20,119
now some people who are in the circuit trying to

1069
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,039
undo that whole work that was done when they're when

1070
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:26,480
their story was turned into a film. Now they're out

1071
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,360
there just trying to undo all the work that was

1072
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,119
done with the fear and hysteria.

1073
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,079
Speaker 2: Uh.

1074
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: Aspects of it. And uh, but yeah, there's a lot

1075
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:36,719
of people who have the integrity who kind of walk

1076
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,239
in that just Okay, we just need the story. We

1077
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,920
don't need jump scares, we don't need this kind of stuff.

1078
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,639
We need to make sure that the story is told

1079
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,960
in this light versus what cells or like. The horror

1080
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:49,760
genre is kind of the thing people try to go to.

1081
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,960
But uh, you know, there's a lot of people who

1082
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:56,840
have been approached with their story to kind of to

1083
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,760
sell it, and they won't because they can't be involved

1084
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,360
with So I think you're doing the right thing as

1085
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,400
far as one to keep it, keep.

1086
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,519
Speaker 5: The whole Well, yeah, there's a carrot in there too.

1087
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,320
I mean what they want to do is they'll put

1088
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,039
the carrot, well, we'll option off.

1089
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 6: Well. The other thing too, is what and I've learned

1090
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,599
a lot. One thing, I've learned a lot.

1091
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 5: I'm really glad I didn't actually produce it the first

1092
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:19,159
year I was out because I have to get a

1093
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,039
lot of information based like what the studios can do

1094
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:24,920
if they have a competing product coming out, they'll option

1095
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:28,519
your stuff up for fifty grand for five years. And

1096
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:31,239
meanwhile they're letting all their you know, their their shows

1097
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,000
that are near and dear to them get out there.

1098
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:34,920
So that's the game you have to you have to

1099
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:35,920
watch everything.

1100
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:36,159
Speaker 6: Now.

1101
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,519
Speaker 5: The smaller creator and producer is really getting a lot

1102
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:44,920
better a lot better chance simply because some of the lawsuits,

1103
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,000
because what they used to do is they used to

1104
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:49,880
take your story or or make an assimilation of your

1105
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,920
story would be almost yours and then tell you you know.

1106
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,159
But the Disney they've lost one hundred million dollar lawsuits,

1107
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,119
Warner Brothers has so it's.

1108
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 6: Things have changed.

1109
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:04,679
Speaker 5: But again, to get the you know, get some of

1110
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,000
the right people with the right cash to say, hey, listen,

1111
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:11,760
this will this has some sort of commercial monetary yeah, possibility.

1112
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,199
Speaker 6: It's a big stretch. It still is a big stretch.

1113
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,159
Speaker 4: You always see that happen, man, whenever there's a big

1114
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,519
release about to come out. I remember just going through

1115
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:23,519
the video stores was the worst. Before the big film

1116
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:26,440
would come out. You would see all these other films

1117
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:30,119
that were knockoffs and just thrown together really quick, and

1118
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,360
and you know that story was uh you know that

1119
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:40,519
that I guess everybody was anticipating was was just changed.

1120
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,800
And people would watch these knockoffs thinking that the the

1121
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,079
the big release was was already out. If you noticed that,

1122
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,000
like there tons of it. I mean, it still happens now,

1123
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,559
but we don't get the experience to kind of walk

1124
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,440
through the video store. But they'll put them on Netflix.

1125
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,760
You'll see it. You'll think it's the real, the real movie,

1126
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,280
and and like one word will be changed and the

1127
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,719
cover looks exactly the same in all of that.

1128
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,039
Speaker 6: That's weird, right, Well it is, and I've seen that.

1129
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,199
Speaker 5: And then they see you know, they they seem to

1130
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:11,360
well Netflix they're content providers. I mean, you know, and

1131
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,280
and and like I said earlier, I guess the average

1132
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,599
person it takes a half hour to forty five minutes

1133
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,840
to find something we want to watch on Netflix that yeah,

1134
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,000
so yeah, so, But what they do is they're always

1135
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:27,119
under pressure to to provide content and even and so

1136
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,719
some of the stuff that they put five stars up there,

1137
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,320
which is the other nonsensical lie on Netflix that.

1138
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:37,519
Speaker 6: You get up there and think what you know?

1139
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 5: So but yeah, no, I'm know I've kind of you know,

1140
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,679
I'm here for the long haul, and you know, I'm

1141
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,519
definitely gonna be thoughtful. I've got legacy issues with this

1142
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:48,039
whole thing. In fact, I tell you you know, I

1143
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:50,719
lost the deal, and this is I lost the deal. Uh,

1144
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,000
And really we had we were actually kind of getting

1145
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:56,440
into pretty close production. We had actually department heads set

1146
00:55:56,519 --> 00:56:00,599
up a couple of producers from Warner Brothers that uh,

1147
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,800
you know, it took a keen interest and he had

1148
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,920
a dream and uh, one of the things I knew

1149
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:07,599
I was in trouble.

1150
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 6: And and he says, well, I got to change his

1151
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:11,440
part of the script. And I go, well, what part

1152
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:12,000
doing change?

1153
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,679
Speaker 5: He says, well, I want your I want your aunt

1154
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,840
and uncle to have a fight at the restaurant, and

1155
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,159
I want your aunt to get in a car and

1156
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,639
drive away mad. And then I want you to get

1157
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:24,320
your uncle in a plane and runner off the road.

1158
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:29,800
And I and I and I, you know, I go,

1159
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:32,639
you know that that that they wouldn't do that. That's

1160
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:36,119
an embarrassment, I know. And and I use another expletive,

1161
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,679
and oh god did that cause of ruckus? Anyways, so

1162
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,800
they they then they then they all said, and this

1163
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,800
is what it got really weird. I thought, you know,

1164
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,679
this is what strange Ill said, Well, we're going to

1165
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,159
have a meeting on next Thursday in Hollywood, and we're

1166
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:48,880
going to get you, uh you know, we're gonna get

1167
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,519
you straightened out, or we're not going to proceed. And

1168
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,599
I and I thought for a minute, and I go, well,

1169
00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:55,880
let's not proceed right now, you know.

1170
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 6: And and that was the wrong.

1171
00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:02,599
Speaker 5: Answer, you know, they uh, it really became that's when

1172
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:04,239
the walk ends started to coming up. So we kind

1173
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,159
of I lost that and I was just so happy

1174
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:08,519
to be away from these people. That The other thing too,

1175
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,400
is he wanted to bring his nicked or neighbor was, uh,

1176
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,480
you know Seinfeld. You wanted to get a part for

1177
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,199
for Seinfeld, which you know, uh Kramer and I couldn't.

1178
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:22,360
I couldn't, you know, And I said, oh god, this

1179
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,280
is this is this.

1180
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 6: Is where it's all. This is where it's all starting.

1181
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,519
Speaker 4: You know, this is this is this is it.

1182
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 6: You know, I think and and and I and I said, well,

1183
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,599
I can't see him in that. I can't.

1184
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,559
Speaker 5: I said, he's had problems anyways, I just can't see him.

1185
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:38,480
And but that this is the part of the whole thing.

1186
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,840
And you talk about power of discernment. It's like, you know,

1187
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,159
then you think, oh, and it's like oh god, I

1188
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,400
mean it's like, you know, this is what's going on here.

1189
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,559
And so anyways, it took me about six months to

1190
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:51,039
get unraveled with those birds and the But but this

1191
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:53,599
is just a snapshot as far as why you got

1192
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:56,880
to maintain your none only your integrity, your independence and

1193
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,159
at least have a say and that whole creative control.

1194
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:03,199
For me, it is worth gazillions trillions of dollars so

1195
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:05,199
I can make cause, I can shepherd in. I'm not

1196
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,599
not I'm not saying that I'm uh, you know, not

1197
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,960
open to some really great ideas. But I just want

1198
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,480
to have the final say to it, so I don't

1199
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:17,199
embarrass anybody, including myself, you know, you know so uh

1200
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,960
But that's but once you sell your screenplay without any kind.

1201
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 6: Of creative control. It's over.

1202
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 5: You're you're you're done. You're sitting back with spectator. So

1203
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:29,920
that's that's another problem. As far as why we haven't

1204
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,519
got the movie done so far. I had a Chinese

1205
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:35,360
group said, yeah, I won't pay you half million dollars

1206
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,119
for screenplay, but we want to do it in Shanghai

1207
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:40,800
and we want and we don't want you.

1208
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 6: Involved in it.

1209
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,639
Speaker 5: And I go well, and I go, well, well, who's

1210
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:46,280
your directory? It says, well, we don't want to tell you.

1211
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,639
And I go, well, you know, and so I go, well,

1212
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,000
how can I determine how this will go? And it says, well,

1213
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,760
you're not You'll just take the money. And but but

1214
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,280
it was interesting though to talk to what was very

1215
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,280
interesting at the conversation one of the guys that finally

1216
00:58:58,559 --> 00:58:59,480
who spoke English.

1217
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:02,599
Speaker 6: I go, why would you be interested in a movie.

1218
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 5: You know about UFOs out in the middle of the desert,

1219
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:07,320
out in California And he just smile. The says, people

1220
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,280
love Western Americana, and uh, you know, and which which

1221
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,400
there is a market for. This is a market all

1222
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,119
over the world for this kind of movie with the heart,

1223
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,000
you know, so I I do you know it? So

1224
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,719
so hey, you know, if I hope it happens, I

1225
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,840
hope it happens soon, it'd be great, but.

1226
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:28,679
Speaker 4: Definitely whenever, you know, whenever, Well, the the book has

1227
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,400
had a lot of success in anybody who's interested in

1228
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,800
picking up the book. It's available on Amazon. Uh, we

1229
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,320
have the different websites where the the the book and

1230
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:44,760
the movie is for sale, or or the info for

1231
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,480
the movie as well, if you want to give those

1232
00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:46,960
links out.

1233
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, we've got the we got the trailers

1234
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,880
which you know, it's aid Yeah, yeah, w a Giant

1235
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,960
rockthmovie dot com. You can go there and look at

1236
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,800
the trailer, or you can go you know, anywhere anywhere

1237
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,920
anywhere on Google. You just typed in chatsee meek or

1238
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:03,639
or or Giant Rock the movie. And of course it's

1239
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:06,679
on Amazon. It's in hard hard book and people can

1240
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:09,519
read the book. I've been told a very quick read.

1241
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:12,519
People really have enjoyed. I've got some really great feedback

1242
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:16,920
on the book. So yeah, I'm still I'm still excited

1243
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,159
for people to hear their responses after I read it,

1244
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:22,039
because a lot of people the comments I guess is well,

1245
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:26,440
I experienced that and I experienced that night a little cool.

1246
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:27,920
That's that's what it's supposed to do.

1247
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, good stuff, brother man. Thanks for coming on, hanging on,

1248
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,519
hanging out with me, sharing your story, and we got

1249
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:37,159
to do it again, brother, especially when the film comes

1250
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:38,880
out or whatever we're going to do with that. Definitely

1251
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,960
have you back on absolutely, Derek.

1252
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:43,119
Speaker 6: Been my pleasure with you, man a.

1253
01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:46,159
Speaker 4: Brother, Thank you so much. All right, take care on peace,

1254
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,480
Chad Meeks, ladies and gentlemen, Giant Rock the greatest UFO story.

1255
01:00:54,239 --> 01:01:01,360
Never told good stuff out to everybody holding us down

1256
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,920
in the chat room. We've just been doing these makeshift shows,

1257
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,960
not even telling people that we're going live. I don't

1258
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,920
know if I should schedule these more just so people

1259
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,400
can can plan on joining, or we just do them

1260
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,679
spur the moment, because I really try to promote it

1261
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,679
on the podcast end as well the iTunes and all

1262
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,480
that stuff. But for everybody who is watching on YouTube

1263
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,079
when we go live, you guys can see now at

1264
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:34,039
the bottom we have the Patreon feed, So scrolling across

1265
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:38,400
the bottom is everybody who has been supporting and partnered

1266
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,840
with my work on Patreon, So that's there at the bottom.

1267
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,320
I thought that was a cool touch. I'm gonna continue

1268
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,280
adding people there as they partner with us, and also

1269
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:54,840
when my album comes out, we're going to put the

1270
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,679
thank yous. We'll have everybody's name in the thank you

1271
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,559
section as well, because you guys are helped me fund

1272
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:04,679
the work that I'm doing there with the music and

1273
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,760
funding that whole project. So more new music to come

1274
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:11,000
very soon. And if you want to partner with me,

1275
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,320
you can head on over to patreon dot com, backslash

1276
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,920
Trusika and sign up for any level of giving. Any

1277
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,280
level is fine. All of it is appreciative, whether it's

1278
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,079
a dollar, five dollars, ten dollars, twenty five, and there's

1279
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,760
different levels of given. There's different rewards and things that

1280
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,679
you can get by supporting. As well, some really cool

1281
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:31,880
T shirts that I just sent out last week that

1282
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,880
people are starting to get now starting to get a

1283
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,760
bunch of pictures with people wearing their new T shirts

1284
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:41,440
that we designed for the twenty five dollars patroon level.

1285
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:45,280
So just acknowledging everybody in the chat room be easy,

1286
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:49,400
key Blades, which is Michael Basham Christy, how you doing,

1287
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:57,599
Jared Canal Hunter, what's up? Hunter? Fuse Canal says, please

1288
01:02:57,679 --> 01:02:59,840
bring David Ike to the show. I would love to

1289
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,920
get an interview with David Ike. I was supposed to.

1290
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,360
I was talking to his son. His son is Gareth Ike,

1291
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:06,960
and he was supposed to set that up for me

1292
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,679
because he runs their website and I did buy some

1293
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,639
ad space with them a couple months back. He was

1294
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:15,480
supposed to get that set up for me, or at

1295
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:19,880
least pass the information along that'd be awesome to get haven't.

1296
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,519
Haven't had a chance to do that yet, but hopefully soon.

1297
01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:26,880
Carl Rawson, what's up? My brother, he's watching live too.

1298
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,320
So yeah, if you're listening to this on the iTunes in,

1299
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:33,440
subscribe to the YouTube channel to be notified whenever we

1300
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:35,519
go live, so you guys can join as well. We

1301
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:38,039
got the chat rooms open and we also have the

1302
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,880
phone lines open as well, so we have the ability

1303
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,920
to take callers if anybody wanted to call in and

1304
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:48,760
say hello. Would love to get David Ike on. It's awesome. Yeah,

1305
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,440
some of the stuff I asked him about, some of

1306
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:57,599
the names of the people who that they thought were

1307
01:03:57,639 --> 01:03:59,719
making it up, because there's a lot of dis info

1308
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:03,159
in all of this stuff. In all of it, and

1309
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:06,360
I can name you names in every arena that I'm

1310
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,960
affiliated with or was affiliated with. As far as the

1311
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:13,119
religious circles, you know some of those people who are

1312
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:16,199
making it up as they go along, some of the

1313
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,239
people who are in ufology who are just kind of

1314
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:25,599
there leeching off of the niche, the spiritual movements, all

1315
01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:27,280
of it. You're always going to have the good and

1316
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,199
the bad that goes along with it all. Like we

1317
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,039
were talking about the gift of discernment, I think it's

1318
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,000
perfect time to harness in on your gift of discernment

1319
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:38,800
to understand who's telling the truth and who isn't, who's

1320
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,199
just making it up, whose story isn't consistent? Right? Big

1321
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,400
shout out to Michael Basham for helping me get on

1322
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,480
the Fringe radio network. I'm now partnering with those brothers

1323
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:54,599
over there, him and Johnny Iron with the Iron Show,

1324
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:58,079
and most of the people who cover these fringe topics

1325
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,320
that we talk about here from a Christian perspective, they're

1326
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:05,599
they're all on the Fringe radionetwork dot com. You guys

1327
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:08,480
can go there and and and subscribe to all the

1328
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:10,880
podcasts that they have over there. I think I think

1329
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,559
Lynn Marzouli has some stuff over there. Key Blades. Definitely

1330
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:20,239
check out Michael Bassam's showed Spirit Wars, which is awesome

1331
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,079
and amazing. He think he's going live every day, which

1332
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:27,760
is a commitment, So shout out to him. And we

1333
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,440
get a lot of good feedback from the shows with

1334
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:33,360
Michael bashm so I'll probably have him back on and

1335
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,119
do some more roundtable discussion as well. So yeah, head

1336
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:43,320
on over to the Fringe Fringe Radio Network dot com.

1337
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,599
They're picking me up and promoting my stuff over there,

1338
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,679
and it's one big, happy family. A lot of cool

1339
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:52,960
shows over there. Also, if you guys want to support,

1340
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:56,199
but a lot a lot of people can't support support financially.

1341
01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:59,519
Some people aren't working, some people, you know, just just

1342
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:03,159
barely getting by paying bills. Totally understand it. You want

1343
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:05,559
to support my channel, you want to support my work,

1344
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:09,039
but can't do it financially. First of all, sharing totally

1345
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:12,639
helps everything, like just sharing the podcast, sharing the video,

1346
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,119
sharing the music, everything that I'm doing. Sharing on social

1347
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:17,400
media helps one hundred percent. I see a lot of it.

1348
01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:20,039
I do see a lot of it. We get tons

1349
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:23,079
of messages in the inbox of people whose lives have

1350
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:27,199
been impacted by just simply you know, coming on here,

1351
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,639
going live and just keeping it real, not hiding anything,

1352
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,000
talking about these feelings, these emotions, these questions and things

1353
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:36,800
that we all have, being open with it and not

1354
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,480
hiding anything. So many people's lives are being changed. I

1355
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:42,159
don't even know how, but I know God knows what

1356
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:44,760
he's doing. He's definitely using this platform. So if you

1357
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,320
want to partner with us, man, definitely do that. Another

1358
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,519
way that you could support is by going to audibletrial

1359
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:56,000
dot com backslash truth seeka The link is in the

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01:06:56,079 --> 01:07:00,199
description as well. Audibletrial dot com backslash truth Seeker. If

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you go there, you can sign up for a free

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So you can go over there and sign up. You

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have to use a credit card, but once you sign up,

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you get your free book and you can cancel your account.

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Sign up, get your free book, cancel your account. That's

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all you do. You will never be charged. So head

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on over to audibletrial dot com backslash truth Seeker if

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you want to support that way as well, and they

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are affiliates and they have a great commission. So for

1372
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,159
you guys going over to do that, it really helps.

1373
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That's why I'm saying it. Go to audibletrial dot com,

1374
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backslash truth Seeker and you don't know what books to get,

1375
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,000
you're not really interested. Check out The Final Quest by

1376
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:47,800
Rick Joyner. The Final Quest by Rick Joyner. That's an

1377
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,519
amazing book. It shows a great picture of the spirit

1378
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:54,159
realm from a Christian perspective. It's a revelation that he

1379
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:59,079
had while on sabbatical in the mountains, and these pictures

1380
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:01,920
that he he's seen in these visions. Man, you're talking

1381
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,679
about making something into a movie that would be amazing.

1382
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:09,159
He's uh visions of these different demonic armies who are

1383
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:13,199
fighting against angels and warrying over the souls of men.

1384
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,239
And I know one one seems it seems graphic, but

1385
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:21,039
he talks about seeing people demonically oppressed, and uh, demons

1386
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:25,239
flying over humans and demons riding on the backs of

1387
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,439
humans controlling them and oppressing them, and he just it's

1388
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:33,560
it almost sounds like something out of uh, The Lord

1389
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,399
of the Rings, but from a Christian perspective, and how

1390
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,199
the battle that's being fought in the Spiritual Realms. You

1391
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:42,359
could download that book. I'm telling you that's like a

1392
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,079
must that right, that book will take your spiritual walk

1393
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:47,920
to the to the next level as far as being

1394
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,039
able to see UH in the spirit and how things operate.

1395
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:53,800
And I definitely vouch for that one. Another book that

1396
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:58,159
I promote definitely is The Alchemist by Paulio Celo. That

1397
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book changed my life. It's changing many people's lives who

1398
01:09:01,039 --> 01:09:04,239
read it. My friend Drew Gower just lost over two

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hundred pounds. I say just lost. It's been a journey

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for him, but that book lit a fire within his

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heart to pursue his dreams. And the person in his

1402
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:19,560
dreams wasn't four hundred pounds anymore. So that book itself

1403
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,960
is a magical book that has a lot of allegory

1404
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:25,640
and metaphors about our life, and the book is essentially

1405
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,079
about us when we read it. Much like the Bible.

1406
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,079
It's not telling the story of these other people, but

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it's telling our story. And powerful book The Alchemists by Pauliocoelo.

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If you're stuck, you feel stagnant, you got dreams that

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you want to achieve, something that you want to be

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doing full time. Trust me read The Alchemist and you

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can get it for free by going to audibletrial dot com,

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backslash truth seeka check it out. I love each and

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every one of you, guys. I'll be live again tomorrow.

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I got another show coming on. Adam Starseed Ba. What's

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up brother, We'll have to watch this later, Kyle Wizard

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says The Alchemist exclamation point. Yeah. Make sure y'all go

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watch the episode that I or listen to whatever you prefer.

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The episode that I did with Adam star Seed Bay.

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He's he's a longtime supporter now and we had him

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on the show. Amazing episode, a lot of a lot

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of good wisdom in there, and one of the parts

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that we talked about channeling, and so even today we

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talked about channeling a little bit as far as being

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a skeptic. I'm a skeptic of some of the channeling stuff.

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And if you go back and listen to that episode,

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and I may make a snippet of it as well,

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but go back and listen to the episode I did

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with Adam star Seed Bay and there you hear me

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talk about my skepticism about channeling, and I think it

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was in a good light, though not in a uh,

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you know, pointing fingers and accusing people, but in a

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good light of what channeling really is. And this is

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just something I'm bringing to the table and I want

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to do a deeper study and breakdown on it. So

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make sure you listen to that episode. And so yeah, Kyle,

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I love you too, brother, shout out shaloon. With that,

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I'm gonna say peace and shalom. We'll hallert y'all. Later

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piece piece.

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Speaker 3: Joe so much, so much, so much, so much. Well,

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that does it for this episode. Folks. To hear more

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