Speaker 1: We should read our bibles as men dig for buried treasure.
Speaker 2: One of the most high game of the nations their inheritance.
When He divided mankind, he fixed the borders of people's
according to the number of the sons of God.
Speaker 1: In those days and for some time after, giant Nephilites
lived down to the earth. For whenever the sons of
God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children
who became the heroes and famous warriors.
Speaker 2: Of ancient tides. Take no part in the fruitless steeds
of darkness, but yet expose that though a thousand fall
at your side, though ten thousand are dying around you.
Speaker 1: These ears will not touching.
Speaker 2: Lives of garden man. You gotta dig it. Hell, old
fellow treasure hunters, Welcome to the excavation side. I'must in
alongside and when we got Ben Steve even in Chad
will be your guides on this excursion. Hope you brought
your shovel in your compass, because we've got the map.
Speaker 3: That's dood.
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Today's subject matter is Satan and who is he? And
where does he come from? Really cool subject. Usually I
start off and say what's going on?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 2: But I guess I'll say what's going on?
Speaker 3: Ben. We're pretty good, pretty good, got the garden end,
just rained. The other two are out, Chad sick, Steven
had something to do with his family.
Speaker 2: So it's just us two now, Yeah, just us to today.
Speaker 3: Us to today. You're gonna hear Lord justin talking today.
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit of rain on the tin roof
to maybe something. This should be a lot of fun,
lot of a lot of cool things to touch on.
Speaker 3: This episode be interesting for sure.
Speaker 2: So but I would like to start off and talk
about how the devil has just been in the way
today it.
Speaker 3: Has for your Steve. You know, Steven said he wasn't
going to be here. We already knew that the last night. Chad,
He's like, man, I'm gonna try and make it, but uh,
we kind of got. We got little sniffles and I've
lost my voice. This morning he was like, nope, wink
making it to church. The whole house is sick.
Speaker 2: So that cut us down to two.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Then we had church this morning. My wife's blood sugar
dropped out on her and she, you know, about fainted
on us and uh being give her some sweetthearts and
but smarties, and she just looked at me and she said,
I'm fine, you guys go do your podcast.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. He's trying to work hard and make it,
make us not do it.
Speaker 2: And then we get here and then the rains kind
of the thunder. Their lights are even flickering.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: At one point we even said, get behind these Satan.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: He don't want us talk about this today.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so uh, I guess I'll go ahead and
say prayer and we'll get started. It sounds good there,
thing for today, thing for the rain. We need it.
Please walk us through what we're trying to do here today.
Guide us, you know, have it. Have everybody be take
it in for not for what we say, but but
let let you speak through us to get out what
we need to what we're trying to say. Lord, please
bless us.
Speaker 2: Just name Amen Amen. So I guess uh, we're gonna
be asking the question who is Satan? Uh? We have
to start from beginning, which if you Genesis, if you
followed us so far, we talked about that slippery nacaush
you know, or serpent with the first rebellion, touched on
it lightly, So we're not gonna totally rehash everything we've
already talked about. We'll encourage you to check out the
other episodes, but we will touch on them lightly.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, Genesis three talks about you know, the serpent
then caw and you know later on in the New Testament. Yeah,
we find out that the writers of the New Testament
connect this serpent was Satan himself. So the word is
actually nicas you know in Hebrew. And we talked about
that in the one episode. How that's a word that
can have many meanings?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 2: What are some of those meanings? Ben? You remember.
Speaker 3: You have accuser, you have let's see, serpent was one
translation that we translated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had the divinator, the shining one.
Speaker 3: Yep, the shining one, yeah yeah, and it mentioned shining.
Speaker 2: One a lot in the Bible and the one who
practices divination. So we ain't going to totally rehash you know,
Genesis three, We know the story and we've covered that extensively.
But one thing I do want to touch on is
Genesis three, verse fourteen through fifteen, and that is the
curse of the serpent and the curse here it says
the Lord God said to the serpent, because you have
done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above
all beasts of the field. On your belly you shall go,
and dust you shall eat all the days of your life.
I will put amenity between you and the woman, and
between your offspring and her offspring. He shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel. So with that, I
just recently read a book by Timothy Alberno and he
referred to this as the dragon Slayer prophecy. I thought
that was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Right, because if you look at it, it says offspring, right,
but then it says he.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so it's.
Speaker 3: One person, not him or you know he, so because
it says there at the beginning part that says he.
But uh, I don't necessarily think it was a snake
in the garden talking.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean, yeah, we we hashed that over
and yeah, that's the devonator, you know, the shining one
and the cash and it's greating him sever yeah, yeah,
you know, and the he shall bruise his heel of course,
you know, Jesus Christ, he's right, the dragon slayer himself.
Speaker 3: That's what in revelations right the dragon yep.
Speaker 2: And also with our last episode about the the Garden,
we identified that Ezekiel twenty eight, you know, in verse
twelve calls out Satan himself that he was you know.
It says that you were in the Garden of Eden,
perfect in your ways before iniquity was found in you,
you know, and every precious stone was you're covering and
named all these different colored you know, stones and gold
in lay. So he was a shining one. I'm sure
you know, all these different colors of metals.
Speaker 3: He was held above everybody else pretty much. Yeah, it's
kind of they said, he I want to say, somewhere
in there, said that he was God, said that he
was his greatest creation.
Speaker 2: Well, the way he talked, he said, you know you
were you were perfect, you were made perfect in all
your ways. Uh. So there he was calling out Satan
and connecting him to the this necaution in the garden.
But it's uh but before that, he was talking to
the King of Tire. But then there's a whole second
section of it where he goes, yeah, to the the
spirit or entity behind the King of.
Speaker 3: Tire, because obviously the King of Tire wasn't in the garden.
Speaker 2: No, obviously not. He was not perfect in all his way,
of course it's not. You know. But even though you
know he was thrown out of Paradise you know a
k a Eden, you know, Satan still had access to
the throne of God. That's something that's always uh stood
out to me. You know, just as the the raven
flew to and fro in Genesis eight six through seven
with Noah, Uh, Satan himself is quoted as going to
and fro on the earth and Job one point six, Yeah, job,
so where Satan enters God's divine counsel as we read,
you know what what is Satan doing there?
Speaker 3: Well, what he was doing at that time was telling
God what all he's seen. And then he said, Hey,
and I know this this guy named Job. You know,
he's pretty much doing what he's supposed to do. But
that's only because he has everything.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he says, let me put my hand on
him and he'll he'll curse you, right yep. So in
that role, if you want to call he was an
accuser like a prosecuting attorney.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: He brings accusation, tempts and accuses mankind on earth another
time in the Old Testament that we see Satan, and
this is the only two times you see him. No
name specifically was Zachariah chapter three, verse one and verse two.
And there he's bringing accusation again against the high priest.
But what's crazy about that? And I'm going to type
that into because I want to read that to you
Zachariah three to one. Okay, he says, Then he showed
me Joshua, the high Priest standing before the Angel of
the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand, to
accuse him. And the Lord said to Satan, the Lord
rebuke you, o, Satan, the Lord who has chosen Jerusalem,
rebuke you. Is not this a brand plucked from the fire.
So there we see where is Satan standing on the
right side, on the right hand of the father?
Speaker 3: Correct? And later on who stands there?
Speaker 2: We'll see. Yeah, we'll get to therese teaser for you.
Speaker 3: But I didn't know if you wanted to go there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're going there definitely. But you know, notice,
you know, he just he publicly, you know, in the
divine council. This is a divine council setting. Correct, He
just rebukes Satan, and he says, is not this a
brand plucked from the fire Right. So obviously once Guardian
Cherub kicked out of Paradise, now demoted to the accuser
of the Brethren.
Speaker 3: Right, as it says, so you've been crawl on the
dirt exactly, Yeah, the dung.
Speaker 2: As you said, below the dung, below the dung. But uh,
you know, both of these instances is the term hasitant,
you know, the Satan or the accuser. Nothing in the
context indicates that the angel is evil or a single person.
In these two texts, it's a job title. It's not
until Old Testament period that Satan appears as a tempter
First Chronicles verse one, where he God incites David to
number Israel. In Second Samuel twenty four to one is
the same story retold, but with Satan for the first
time as a proper name. This name is substituted for
God and pictured as an evil figure. So the first time,
you know, in First Chronicles twenty one one, it's where
God incites David to number Israel. It's not until Second
Samuel twenty four to one that that same story is retold,
but instead of God has mentioned Satan. So and that's
the first time in the Bible that it's not Haycaton,
you know, the Satan. It's Satan. It's a now not
a It's a proper name, correct. And you know this
is the first time that it's just like publicly called
out that it's an evil thing, you know what I mean.
But as far as the Old Testament goes, this is
all we have on Satan. We do have Isaiah fourteen twelve,
where some translations have the name Lucifer, you know, in
some time that proper name of Satan. But if you
do the research, you know the author is talking about
the morning star, which is Venus. Could it be allegory,
you know, or just poetic language about Satan, you know,
it could very well be. But Lucifer is not Satan's name,
you know when you look. You know this is my opinion,
you know, I mean appearance, right, because you know, you
have many translations and some have Lucifer, some say morning star.
But the morning star is the planet Venus. You know,
it's the first planet you see in the morning before
the sun comes out. You know how far Lucifer you know,
the sun of the dawn, you know, right, And.
Speaker 3: It says like you said, the morning Star in Genesis one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be referring to the same And one
thing is too is in the And that's all we have,
like I said, in the Old Testament, right now the
New Testament we get into a little bit more detail.
But uh, I guess we can go with the many
names of Satan. You know, Satan had many names in
the New Testament. Of course we had Satan, you know,
Hebrew for the accuser, you know, the devil, which it
was Greek for Satan, the lar bells, a bull, the adversary,
the dragon, the enemy, the serpent, the tester, and the
wicked one. Uh but what facts or verses do we
have that refer to Satan and his job title, personality
per se kind of identifying verses of Satan. Well, for one,
he's the ruler. He's ruler of a host of angels.
So when you go to Matthew, let's go on that
Matthew twenty five forty one, it says, and this is
read letters, So this is from the mouth of Jesus,
says then he will say to those on his left,
depart from me, you cursed into the eternal fire, prepared
for the devil and his angels.
Speaker 3: Right, So I mean this could be talking about the watchers.
He could very well be talking about angels after the
flood of Noah, because I know certain to do thirty two. Yeah,
certain people believe that there is a second occurrence kind
of Oh yeah, were angels have come down?
Speaker 2: Deuteronomy thirty two, you know, I mean that was after
the flood and the Psalms eighty nine plainly says, you know,
how long will you rule unjustly?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, and that was another council.
Speaker 2: Yeah event. Uh. Another aspect we have is controller of
this world. So where do we have in our New
Testament where talks about Satan being in control of this world?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Four seven is one verse six?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, man, the time when Jesus was out and
the devil Satan took him up on Is that where
you're going? Oh? Yeah, took them up on top of
mount what.
Speaker 2: It was it? What just as a high place, you know, okay,
up on a high place.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was Mount Hermon, right, you remember you saying
something like that, You saying because that was where the
falling yeah come, and it was kind of you.
Speaker 2: Know, but uh, maybe a stargate or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, but uh Satan said, hey,
you know, if you follow me, I can't I can
give you everything. And Jesus did not rebuke him to
say they're not yours to give. He told them to
be gone pretty much, you know. So so if and
I would just I would believe that Jesus if it
was like they ain't cheers to give, big boy, you
know what I mean. But that's not what was said.
So so they are the devil, Satan, Lucifer, whoever, they
are his to give. So therefore, if they're his to give,
he's the owner or the ruler. Anyways, it's almost like, well,
I guess it's kind of the parable with the uh
was it the land?
Speaker 2: The bad tenants, the bad tenants?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all for this, yep. It's God owns it obviously,
but he's letting in that the devil's the bad tenant,
he's he's treating the land improper.
Speaker 2: He's still we chased after them. We want to worship
him as God. So God is like, okay, I'll let
them then if what.
Speaker 3: You want, ye, if that's what that's right. But if
that's what you want, then it's it's it's on you.
You know, you made that decision. You have to pay
the consequences.
Speaker 2: Because the thing is, you know, we are given dominion
that creation over this place. Correct, it's ours, and.
Speaker 3: We pretty much we traded it.
Speaker 2: We traded the lives. Paul said, we worshiped the created
things instead of the creator tour yep. But yeah, but
Luke four and five of that verse, it says, and
the devil took him and showed him all the kingdoms
of the world in a moment of time and said
to him, to you, I will give all this authority
and their glory, for it has been delivered to me,
and I give it to whom I will. If you
then will worship me, it will all be yours.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So he plainly says it was given to him, and
it's up to him who he gives it to. And
that's why in Revelations, you know, we see that he
gives his authority to what the beast.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you also, I mean, look at modern times.
You know, you hear about people selling their soul to
the devil so they could be popular, have money, And well, yeah,
if it's his to give and you truly have that
conversation with them. I just about bet there's no coming
back from that. Oh yeah, you know, I would hope
there is. You know, that's just something I just don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't want to find out either.
Speaker 3: No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2: So I'll take those rock stars words for it.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, they die sometime. I'd rather live forever.
Speaker 2: But another example of the controller of this world, you know,
Acts twenty six eighteen says to open their eyes so
that they may turn from darkness to light, and from
the power of Satan to God, that they may receive
forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are
sanctified by the faith in me. Second, let's see Second Corinthians,
chapter four, verse four. In their case, the God of
this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to
keep them from sin the light of the Gospel of
the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Speaker 3: You see that every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, you know, we've got several versus
the support that he was the controller of this world.
Speaker 3: He still is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is a ruler of a host of angels.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So he's got an army.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Let's see we've got Mark chapter four, verse fifteen, and
right here. Another characteristic of Satan is he governs all
non Christians. Mark four fifteen goes on to say that
Satan steals the seeds sown. It says, and these are
the ones along the path, and this is christ, this
is red letters, and these are the ones along the
path or the word is sown. When they hear Satan
immediately comes and takes away the word that is sown
in them.
Speaker 3: Almost like I guess he would. I remember hearing this
analogy somewhere, I can't remember where, but it's like you
throw your seeds down. You have some rocks over here,
that's this passage. Okay, you got you know, and so
obviously what lands on rocks ain't gonna ain't gonna grow
in anything. Then you have the the the dirt or
the seeds that kind of get trampled a little bit,
so they you know, they might get stepped on. Some
of them might produce nothing. Other ones might get turned
into the soil and sprout and actually grow. Then you
have the other seeds kind of like the devil that's
a bird that comes and eats them, takes them away.
Speaker 2: Some are swallowed up by thistles, you know, thorns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's choked out. And I mean truly, it's a
it's a rough world today to try to worship God
the correct way, our.
Speaker 2: Best way, and evil around it because the ruler of
this world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's and that got a one saying that
I always say. And I talked to a couple of
guys that I work with all the time, you know,
and it's a if it's not of God, it's other devil. Right,
there's no it's black or it's white or in this case,
white God, or it's black. There's no shadow, there's no gray.
And unfortunately most things in this world is on the devil.
Speaker 2: It's his play.
Speaker 3: And it's I mean, you know, the internet's the worst
thing ever. You can find anything you want with a
stroke of some keys and that inner button.
Speaker 2: And at the same time it's a tool. Well yeah,
and also I mean, I don't want to push all
of our bad decisions on Satan and the angels. He
make the choice, but he makes it. He stacks the decks,
so to say. Right, But at the same time, the
internet's a great tool. I mean, with logos, Bible software,
I use everything the correct way exactly.
Speaker 3: If you use it the correct way. It's a tool.
But with any tool, you can use it like a
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh hammer, you can build or destroy something exactly. Yeah, yep.
But John eight forty four, it says you, and this
is about the people of this world, the non Christians,
It says, you are of your father, the devil. Your
will is to do your father's desires. He was a
murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the
truth because there is no truth in him. You know,
he was a murderer from the beginning. It says, you
know you are your of your father, of the devil.
Speaker 3: Well, what did he do? He murdered Adam and Eve
pretty much.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he brought death into the world, because the
wages of sin is death exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Over over jealousy, It's pretty much what it was.
He wanted to be God. It was jealousy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And what's the most what's the most potent? What personality
is a jealous person? I mean you can't do nothing
with them, Yeah, nothing, because if they get what they're
jealous of, they're jealous of something else. There's no satisfying that.
Speaker 2: But of course we know. Another characteristic is the tempter,
and we've done covered many verses on that. But also
Tewod Corinthians, chapter eleven, verse thirteen through fourteen says that
you know, Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.
Speaker 3: Oh he tries, yeah, I mean was it revelations? It
kind of even talks about he tries to. Well, he
fools the world, but but he has his own trinity
pretty much. Yeah, I mean everything everything that he can
do he sees good and he tries to twist it.
Speaker 2: And was he not make it?
Speaker 3: Look he was there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they trusted him.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 2: They thought he was good. Guys, he was in God's garden.
He could be.
Speaker 3: Everything in God's garden was good.
Speaker 2: But it was jealousy, like you, I mean, that's like
the worst.
Speaker 3: Well, whe's the worst, I think.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, so we we have you know all,
but he did that too, I guess, didn't he?
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a way.
Speaker 2: So you know, we have all the names of Satan,
you know, right, Well, we've nailed down characteristics of Satan.
So how does one defend themselves against this now known enemy.
Speaker 3: Well, first thing, you got these, you gotta pray you
gotta read the Bible. The Bible is you're you're the God.
It's yeah, well, yeah, it's the sword.
Speaker 2: What did Jesus combat Satan with when he tempted the.
Speaker 3: Word of God? And what is the word?
Speaker 2: Jesus is the word.
Speaker 3: That's right, It is God practically, you know, because Jesus
is God in flesh.
Speaker 2: And see that goes right along with what I was
gonna do with the you know Ephesian six eleven. You
know that says put on the whole armor of the Lord,
why so you may resist the schemes of the devil.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And you got to have it all on to you.
Speaker 3: You got one piece missing, you're able to get stuck.
Speaker 2: And James four seven, and James was, you know, Jesus's
half brother. He says, resist the devil and he will
flee from you.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And we see that's exactly what happened in Luke, right.
It is he fought Satan with with the sword which
was the word of God. And what happened he had
to leave them alone, yep. Full an opportune time, it said, yep,
And that was that's every time, yeah, Jesus yep.
Speaker 3: And God knew it was coming. And what he say?
Were we talking about this the other day?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he gave permission.
Speaker 3: He said, okay. He looked at Jesus after he took
the communion pretty much, the bread and the bread and
the wine. He says, do what you have to do,
and do it quickly, and do it.
Speaker 2: And then Satan, Satan entered him and he did it
without permission. Nope, but you know it, says I got
ridden here says Satan is a spirit being who opposes
God and seeks to ford his plans and lead his
people astraying into rebellion. But when you look at every
time Satan is mentioned, he has no true power. He
cannot do anything without God's permission or yours. He only
tempts you and the people around you. There's always a choice.
Speaker 3: And the thing about the temptation also, like I think
we saw about this the other night, he wants the
devil wants to keep his hands as clean as he can.
Oh yeah, because he knows judgments coming. So if if
he can, if he can manipulate somebody else to do
his plans, he's going to Oh okay, we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: Si here holding up one finger.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So now now you know we've covered the Old Testament.
Now we're going to move into the New Testament. I'm
gonna try to stay chronological. Uh So, where do we
find Satan in the New Testament? Luke four one through two.
And then we talked about that briefly. You know, Jesus
being tempted in the wilkiness? Uh. But what's I got
written here? You know, Jesus is uh. He's the first
a dom, which you know in Hebrew Adam, right is
a dom okay, which means kind. So yes, he was
a man, but he's to symbolize all of humanity, right,
you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because he takes all humanity sin when he dies.
Speaker 2: But says, Jesus is the first Adam to resist the devil,
where so many before him have failed. Adam Eve came,
even Moses and his people in the wilderness. There's so many,
you know, we always fall to the devil. So Jesus Christ,
God in the flesh, had to come down in the
flesh and do what we couldn't do.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and he proved to us he can be done. Yeah,
but we just don't have the courage or willpower to
do it right.
Speaker 2: And later in Luke four, verse five through seven, you know, Satan,
you know, shows him the world and after three failed attempts,
you know, he flees for him to the opportune time.
We talked about that Luke ten eighteen. After he resists
the devil, he starts his ministry. Here he sends out
his disciples to take back the nations in God's people.
That's why Jesus didn't accept Satan's offer earlier. He knew
he was about to take it all back anyway. I
was about to say that, yeah. When they came back
all excited, telling Jesus of all the miracles and the
demons that they had cast out, Jesus replies, I saw
Satan fall like lightning. If you read the context of
that passage, you know, in my opinion, he's saying basically, yeah,
I know you were wreaking havoc on Satan's kingdom. He
shot down from the sky like a like a barn
was on fire, you know, because they were like, oh,
look what all we've done, Jesus. We've cast out demons
in your name, We've done miracles and done all these
great things. And then that's when Jesus replies, I saw
Satan fall like lightning like he's you know, if you
read in the context, that's what it sounds like to me,
because he's saying, oh, yeah, I know what you've been doing.
I saw Satan fall like lightning, drip, put out the
fires you're starting on his kingdom.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, yeah, because it I mean, it's
it's a aim that I've heard growing up. If you're
if you're doing what Satan wants you to do, if
you're not following God, you're doing the worldly thing. He's
not gonna mess with you. He don't care.
Speaker 2: I can't remember or whoever. But I love that. If
you haven't met the devil face to face, it's because
you're going in the same direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you you have no He has no quarrels with you.
You're not thread at all. As soon as you start
preaching or as you you know, you're talking to your
to your coworker or your neighbor or whoever.
Speaker 2: For podcasting, yeah, I mean, you get it from everywhere.
If you're doing the Kingdom's work.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean your wife might get mad at you,
your your parents, your brother and sister, whoever you know
it's it's gonna happen. That's why it says following to
God isn't easy. The whole world's pretty much against you.
Speaker 2: They will hate you for thy names.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's that was Jesus's words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, so.
Speaker 3: I mean that's perfect. Yeah, coming down like light and
you know, almost like he was up there in the
council meeting saying, oh yeah, guy, look at well, look
what else I'm doing. This is crap. I gotta go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is me using my imagination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're up there in the Divine council kind of
like the job thing, you know, and Satan I've been
going to and fro, you know, and all this stuff.
You know, God's like wrecking half. See you see you
losing control your nations down there.
Speaker 3: You see that Jesus down there.
Speaker 2: I'll be right back.
Speaker 3: You see you see my boy down here, my boys then, yeah,
you see him wrecking your world. Oh, I gotta get
out of here. I got some stuff to put out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta go get some fires put out.
Speaker 3: That's a good, good little you know picture in your
and and like we've talked before, there there's a little
bit of comedy and arrogance almost. You know, I can't
remember what passage it was, but you had Bail. They're
worshiping Bail and yeah, and he's like pouring water on
this fire. Is like, oh, Bail must be asleep while
he's pouring water on his own fire for God to
like yeah, and he's like, well, now mine's drenched in water.
Hey watch this. Yeah, we have sop sopping wet firewood
blazing crazy. Yeah, maybe he's asleep. Bail must he must
be asleep. Yeah, it's almost.
Speaker 2: And that's another case.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you do if like our scenario, that's
almost like God's like oh yeah, yeah, yeah you remember,
well last time, you know, it didn't work too out
with Job. He's still he didn't fall away. You did
everything you could do minus kill him.
Speaker 2: But this time I'm gonna but in the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you see Jesus down there. Yeah, check out
my he's wrecking your world.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's funny.
Speaker 3: And and like we discussed, it was Satan's world direct. Yeah,
you know, he was wrecking Satan's world.
Speaker 2: Yep, we'll see. And then the next week I got
John thirteen twenty seven. You know, of course we done
mention that kind of briefly.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That was the whole Last Supper, right, you know, he
couldn't do nothing unless he was given permission. It was
until he dipped the bread into the wine and gave
it to Judas and said, do what you must do,
and do it quickly. And it wasn't until then that
Satan entered Judas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and went and talked to the Romans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh me, I'm a firm believer that Revelation twelve,
you know, was about the birth of Christ, you know,
and uh that's something that I think a lot of
Christians do hold, but maybe some has not heard of,
you know of that. Uh. I mean, I'll get into
that kind of briefly just for the ones that don't know.
But this could be an episode all on its own,
but we might have to make it an episode. Oh yeah.
But the Revelation twelve, you know, it says this, you know,
is basically it's about the birth of Jesus Christ. You know,
it's literal and it's also allegory. You know, the woman
marry also you know, Israel, the child Christ, the dragon Satan,
you know says Satan plotted to kill the child Jesus
to tempting whispering in the year of Herod because you
remember his wise man said, though there's a great king
going to be born, He's like, whoa kill the first
born of all the Jews?
Speaker 3: Kill everybody?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will not be dethroned, you know. So that
was Satan whispering in the ears of his principalities and people,
letting them know what he wanted done, because remember the curse, Yeah,
the dragon slayer prophecy. This is what he was trying
to thwart, you know, or thwart alway from the beginn Yes,
so it says, remember he wanted all the male children
murdered because of the Magi told him that Heaven declared
the birth of a great king. He's seen as a
threat and his as a threat to his rule and
wanted it dead. So did Satan remember that curse of
the serpent in Genesis three, The seed of the woman
would crush his head, you know, it says. Goes On
later says that a war broke out in heaven. The
dragon and it says, quote swept down one third of
the stars of heaven. The stars are often representations of
heavenly beings, so did he defeat, slash destroy a third
of the angels or did he convince one third of
the angels to rebel with him.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking it's the convinced part, because, like you said,
the devil has his angels, right, yep, so he's he
talked to. I mean that's another saying that I like
to say, if if if Satan can talk angels out
of heaven, we ain't got a chance.
Speaker 2: No, not without Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean you've got to.
Speaker 2: He is our salvation, he is our righteousness because we
can't do it on our own, correct, you know. So,
but you know, something like that that's up to opinion,
you know, interpretation really, you know, because it don't really
you know, specify. I me and you are both in
the same line of thinking. I think it's you know
that he didn't defeed a third of the angels and
sweep them down from heaven. No, he convinced become.
Speaker 3: Just like the watchers. Possibly he convinced the watchers and
then you know, was it Deuteronomy thirty two that we're
talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you notice this was after the child
Christ was called up to God into his Throne Room,
you know. So let's take a look at the timeline
and basically my theory of how the entire story fits together,
everything from the Garden to Revelation. Okay, now I'm going
to specify. You know, I'm a man. I ain't got
it all figured out. No, no, you know, I could
be wrong.
Speaker 3: That's what that I'm studying, and I'm trying to figure
it out, you know. And with this whole thing is about.
Speaker 2: After reading my Bible and several different books, I've took
nuggets from all kinds of different kind of authors and
just kind of pieced this together in my head, you know.
So basically, once again, my theory and timeline of Satan
Ezekiel twenty eight. It's clearly about Satan, the spirit behind
the King of Tire. This id Satan as the guardian
chariot that he had fallen. Genesis three tempts Adam and
Eve to become as gods. God curses Satan to crawl
on his belly and eat dust. He was expelled from
Paradise aka the Garden of God, but still had access
to the Throne Room and the Divine Council of God,
as we will see in Job and many other verses
that I mentioned. The curse also said that the seed
of the woman would crush his head, the dragon slayer
of prophecy Job one, Chapter one, verse six through twelve,
and chapter two, verse one through seven. We see here
Satan clearly still had access to the divine Council in
the throne room of God. Maybe he could only come
when he was invited, but still had access nonetheless, but
his role had changed, no longer a guardian cherub that
we see in his equal twenty eight and what eeqal
twenty eight speaks of. It's like he's been demoted to
the accuser or the prosecuting attornity attorney slash watcher of
earth and mankind. Later in Zachariah chapter three, verse one
through two, same as job from Satan. Here the accuser
the prosecuting attorney of earth or mankind. But notice here
we are he is at the right hand of God
in the throne in that verse. I think that's in
port it specified where he was. So with that mind,
let's back up just a little bit. Remember the curse
the seed of the woman shall crush your head. Adam
and Eve had two sons, right Cain and Abel. God
himself had two sons, right our elder brothers, the beneha Elohim,
the sons of God were created first aka the heavenly
beings the lower case g Gods, whatever the label you
want to put on them. Right then there was us mankind.
So Abel represented mankind found favor with God, while Cain
Satan the aka sons of God, did not. I believe
that Satan feared Abel was the seed that would crush
his head. So he tempted Cain to kill his brother.
John chapter eight, verse thirty, verse forty four said that
he was a murderer from the beginning, Did he not it?
Speaker 3: Did? Okay?
Speaker 2: Genesis six, still paranoid from the dragon slayer of prophecy
of God about the woman's seed, Satan thought what better
way to overthrow God's plan than to corrupt the seed
the watchers God. But he could not do it directly himself.
He had to keep his hands clean, as you said earlier. Then,
so he did what he does best. The Book of
Enoch even says that the fallen angels became subject to
the devil. He tempted the angels to lust after the
women and corrupt the seed of mankind in his mind,
saving his own neck from his head being crushed from
the seed of the woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because obviously the watchers up to the seed did
they they did, and then they are casting the abyss
till judgment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he knew. That's why he didn't want to
do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he knew. He knew punishment would come, so let's
let punishment be cast on somebody else.
Speaker 2: So they were the pawns in his game.
Speaker 3: I'll manipulate them and let them be sacrificed pretty much
for my game exactly.
Speaker 2: Then Genesis six ' nine, God brought the flood and
preserved the righteous seed of Noah. Yep, so the dragon
slayer prophecy was still alive. Genesis chapter eleven. After the flood,
Satan went right back to work, this time tempting a
new group of Beneja Elohem's Sons of God from the
Divine Council, probably telling them, you know, you could be
worshiped like gods by these people, but just don't copulate
with them. That's what got the last group in trouble.
You know, as long as you don't do that, you're good.
That's what got them in trouble.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Deuteronomy thirty two happened Tower of Bible. The people
worshiped these sons of God. So God. Yeah, so God
divided the tongues and the peoples amongst them.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So now Satan was the king of the realm, and
these sons of gods were his lords. Once again, Satan
kept his hands clean. Now in control of Earth, Satan
could rest easy. He was no longer worried about the
seed of the Woman because he ruled over the seed.
Until Revelation twelve, the dragon Slayer is born.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Satan sent his lords to tell the earthly kings to
kill the Christ, but they failed. War broke out in
heaven and Satan was cast down. Revelation twelve, verse eight
says explicitly that he was thrown down because there was
no longer a place for him. Luke Chapter four, Satan
tries to tempt Jesus. It's always worked in the past
on the other sons of God, right and mankind. Yep,
he's always been successful, so of course he's gonna die.
Speaker 3: Yep. He is able to manipulate the angels for say,
the other elohem lowercase god, lowercase.
Speaker 2: G gods, so why not try with Jesus, because that's
what I mean. He's a son of God, right yep.
John thirteen twenty seven. After many attempts to bribe and
stop Jesus, Satan finally decides to kill him the parable
of the bad tenant. Jesus gives permission. Do what thou must,
but do it quickly. Little did Satan know he was
about to steal his own fate. First Corinthians, Chapter two,
verse sat. For if they understood talking about the principalities
spiritual wickedness in high places, the lords, the spiritual lords,
may be not the early Yes, for if they understood,
they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory. They
didn't know what they were doing.
Speaker 3: They're still all manipulated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and remember when the child was caught up to heaven.
That was the ascension of Christ from the Mount of Olives.
That's when Satan was thrown down because there was no
place for him. Right. So, at the start of the
Throne Room vision, John says that everyone was crying, for
no one was worthy to open the seals of the
scroll Revelation five. What side was Jesus standing on.
Speaker 3: The right side?
Speaker 2: He says he took the scroll from the right hand
of the Father. And remember Zachariah chapter three, Verse one
and two, Satan was on the right hand of the Father.
There was no place for Satan because Jesus took it.
Boom boom, broom might drop goodse hills goose bumps. So
we went from the accuser of the brethren on the
right hand of the Father day and night, to the
savioror of Man God. Yes to Jesus Christ, who is
our intercessor and who fights for us day of night. Amen.
Speaker 3: Amen, that a game.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, I'm tearing up over here. Man ainlin.
So my microphone is in the way of my face.
ID hang on me. I'm trying to pull up a
verse so Revelation twelve twelve through seventeen. Therefore, rejoice, O
heavens and you who dwell in them. But woe to you,
O Earth and sea, for the devil has come down
to you in great wrath, because he knows that his
time is short. And when the dragon saw that he
had been thrown down to earth, he pursued the woman
who had given birth to the male child. But the
woman was given the two wings of Great Eagle, so
that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness
to the place where she is to be nourished. For
a time and times and half a time, the serpent
poured water like a river out of his mouth after
the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. But
the earth came to the help of the woman, and
the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that
the dragon had poured from its mouth. Then the dragon
became furious with the woman and went off to make
war with the rest of her offspring, on those who
kept the commandments of God and hold to the testimony
of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
You know, first he made war with the woman Israel. Okay,
this is through the Romans and through the Nazis, okay.
Speaker 3: And there's a whole lot more between all them. But
those are the main ones.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the big ones that come to mind. So
that didn't work. Christianity grew even stronger under persecution. So
he then went to make war with her offspring, which
is us, the gentiles, the non Jewish believers, those who
keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus.
But woe to you, o earth, and see for the
devil has come to you in great wrath because he
knows that his time is short. Satan has figured out
the best way to destroy something is from the inside.
Look at the Roman Catholic Church, their holy crusade. It
was okay to murder with a red cross on your armor.
Look at all the pagan symbols. The pope holds a
gold staff with a son on top, where the supposedly
the presence of God presides. An obulous skin of Dome
is in their courtyard, which is nothing more than Osiris's
phallus in the womb of Isis. Christ died, so we
didn't need an intercessor for God. But they must ask
the priest for forgiveness, not God. Look at all the
children that these quote unquote holy men have molested throughout
the years. It's evil with a godly mask. Look at
all the denominations of the church. They all cherry picked
God's word to what suits them best. Was it not
Satan himself and his quote do as that wilt you know?
Look how we fight amongst ourselves, We gossip about one another,
We drive people out of the church. No wonder of
the church is shrinking us. Know the enemy. To defeat him,
we must see the spiritual war going on all around us. Faith, hope,
and love are gifts that he gave us. But the
greatest is love. Jesus himself said, love fulfills the law.
Remember that you are an imager of God. God is love.
You know, if you guys got time, check out First Corinthians,
chapter thirteen, verse four through eight. You know, it says
that love is patient, love is kind, love is long suffering.
It doesn't keep record of wrongs, so we are given
dominion of this place to rule in his image, not Satan.
And James, which was Jesus' brother, Chapter four, verse seven
said it best resist the devil and he will flee
from you. That's right, that's what that's my theory. Timeline.
Speaker 3: Okay, now I got, I got when you read about
the the devil pretty much the river, yes, yes, cast
the river. So he's trying to drownd her out pretty much,
you know, drowned her out pretty much. But then God
also owns the earth.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he intervenes when he when he.
Speaker 3: Sees he opened it up and says no no, no,
no no no.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that you.
Speaker 3: Know he's I mean he's in a rage. Oh yeah,
you know, it's like it's like a it's like a kid,
it's like a bully who got beat up.
Speaker 2: We'll think about it if if my theory slash timeline
right is correct. With all the time and planning that
he took for nothing, Yes, every little move he made,
first you know that with thatdam an Eve, then with
canaan Abel, then with the the you know, Tower Babble,
Juteronomy through two. All these things he's been, all these
moves he's been making was all for nothing. And he
was thrown down, he was bested. He's in a race
each he knows his time is short.
Speaker 3: And I mean look at everything today. That's what you know,
that's what he's He's trying to destroy everything. I mean, really,
what what is really good in the world anymore? You know?
I mean you've got family, you know, there's obviously good stuff.
But I mean, we're we're made in God's image, We're
imagers of God. We are I don't I don't take
that as we look like God, because we all look different.
If we all look like God, we'd all look the same.
So we we are here as God's representatives.
Speaker 2: Is the way I take that as hers.
Speaker 3: And then it's like our job is to have dominion
of the planet and to nurture it, to till it,
to grow it, to pretty much make it into the garden,
because he had his garden on earth. Some sometimes I as,
you know, it's like, well, was it on earth? Was
it did in heaven? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That's that's yeah, you know, because.
Speaker 3: It says, you know, he casts him down to earth
to till the to till you know, the ground is
the man's curse, you know, so was it somewhere, but
still if you're on the mountain and you're cast down,
you're still cast down, you know, directional wives. And then
you have you know, like in Genesis one where it
talks about the Charityblee blocking the way, which we assume
might be Jesus, the flaming sword and everything, because Jesus
is the way, the truth and the you know, delight
to every last thing.
Speaker 2: I love that because it said, yea some translations says
aiming sword that goes this way, and that the cross
goes this way, and a sword, you know, like we
said in the one episode, right.
Speaker 3: The sword truth and the life and the fire went out,
and it's the cross that he died on for our sins,
you know. But uh, it's almost like our job is
we have dominion. I mean, do we still have dominion?
Because like it said in Noah and Genesis there where
it was talking about you know, the animals, they'll fear
us and everything, but it's almost at the same time
we rule over them.
Speaker 2: And see and my my opinion, you know, in the
creation account, he said we are made the image of God.
As God rules heaven, we are to rule this realm, right, Okay,
so basically we were given the property deed, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it was still his yeah, rule, We're almost like
the tenant.
Speaker 2: But then, as Paul said, we traded the true for
a lie. We worshiped the created things instead of the creators,
so we gave it away. And I and my opinion
the scroll that that they're holding at the ascension and
they're all weeping.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like the deed.
Speaker 2: It is the deed. I firmly believe it. That's why
they were weeping. Nobody was pure enough to claim to
claim it back. But Jesus Christ that makes sense. So
he gets dominion back, and he's given enough time. He's
patiently waiting like in the days of the flood for
the for the righteous to come back home. And when
he comes back down from heaven, he's going to give us.
Speaker 3: Talking about this also rule right beside of him. And
this also talking about this makes me think of the
story of the father that stands at the fence, at
the fence line waiting for the sun to return.
Speaker 2: The prodigal son. And if that's not an allegory of
the fallen angels and our older brother, we are. We
are the younger brother that defiled ourselves in rolling pigdung
and come back, and he forgave us. And that's why
the elder brother was upset. But the angels like why
this whole time left? Why allegory for the following angels. Yes,
I don't know what he is, and yet.
Speaker 3: He holds us in higher glory.
Speaker 2: He's more forgiving with us, yeah, than the angels, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's it's just amazing.
Speaker 2: It is when you dig.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's so much more then now I'm
tearing up. There's so much more that you know, like
we were talking, you know, you learned these Bible stories
and stuff in preschool and not preschool Sunday School. And
but but then don't go into great detail. And then
big Church will say, you know, its goal is to
you know, Jesus loves you, you know, get your self saved,
and and that's that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that is awesome. But once you are, but.
Speaker 3: You're already saved, where's the.
Speaker 2: Draw closer to God? With these uggets connected, it brings
you closer relationship, it gives.
Speaker 3: It more power that all this occurred just so we
can go back to heaven. Like like Doug was saying,
we're bound to us. He wants. He wants to love
us so much that he's pretty much which he used
a different like when them kids, we're yeah, we're handcuffed
to them. So we try to.
Speaker 2: God, you know, because the word he was talking about
was hesiod.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hebrew for love. And it's just to thank all
the stuff that we do. We've all done it. He's
just right there, like, hey guy, I'm here the whole
title waiting on you. All you gotta do. I can't
come get you because we have free will.
Speaker 2: We have to come back bless him Lord.
Speaker 3: But it's the whole He's waiting on us. And then
it's like nothing it's a party. Yeah, he's like, hey,
kill the cow, kill the you know, kill the pig.
That's us here in the South. Let's kill the pigs.
Let's have a support ross, you know. But I mean
it's just it's beautiful, awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's good end that we're coming in
an hour mark. But you guys, we we I want
to say that we really appreciate those that listening. Yeah,
you know at this point we're like on number seven
or eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we just released just release the first introduction
of us and the first one yeah, Divine Counsel and
we what would you say that morning? We've got like
securty something downloads already the first twenty four hours, we
got people in Belgium listen to us. So if you're
still listening in Belgium, hi to you guys.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, And what we we think what.
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You know, it was like you know, round about like
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but there's three or four in Belgium, Florida, Michigan, California,
San Francisco.
Speaker 3: It's just we're just fo de.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just for in a garage talking about God
and digging in his word man.
Speaker 3: At my house. You know. Yeah, it's just amazing.
Speaker 2: And I want to say too, we might not have
it all figured out.
Speaker 3: We might we definitely have it all figure but.
Speaker 2: We're seeking and I think God will bless us for seeking.
Speaker 3: And I mean, if anything, it's just making us dig more.
Speaker 2: And pray for us. You know that we do get discernment,
that's right. And hey, everything we talk about it's biblical.
We give you tons of biblical verses and we're hoping
to inspire you to dig into your Bible. And hey,
even if you think we're wrong, and it makes you
dig into the Bible and pick up the verses that
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tell address there. It's so that that that that shows
us that what we were trying to do is working.
We are causing people to dig into the Bible, because
that's all about.
Speaker 3: This started as a Bible study.
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