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<v Speaker 1>Now one you're putting. I got a string going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Something just killing my dog. Something killed your dog, my dog.

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<v Speaker 1>We're flying through the or over the tree. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how it did it, Okay, damn, And I'm really confused.

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<v Speaker 1>All I saw is my dog coming over the fence,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was dead once you hit the ground. Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my

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<v Speaker 1>dog coming over the fence. What are you reputing? We

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<v Speaker 1>got some wonder or something frowling around out here? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you see what it was? It was? It was seeing enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out here looking through the window now and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>you better, hello, get somebody out here. What quin on

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<v Speaker 1>out There's thought of a bit about text nine? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Easy out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye hey, I want to thank you for joining me

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<v Speaker 2>for this week's special episode of the strange and unexplained

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<v Speaker 2>Phenomena of the South Mountains of North Carolina. Let's get

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<v Speaker 2>started immediately, if not sooner. The very horrifying experience had

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<v Speaker 2>by a father and son duo who in the spring

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty seven in eastern South Carolina would have

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<v Speaker 2>an experience that would profoundly affect the way that they

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<v Speaker 2>saw the great outdoors and the way that they saw

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<v Speaker 2>nature for the rest of their lives. Henry the Father

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<v Speaker 2>is now almost seventy five years old. Henry is a

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<v Speaker 2>man who has sold things in his life, a man

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<v Speaker 2>who has been around to include a combat deformant to

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnam while he was in the United States Military. And

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<v Speaker 2>I assessed Henry, as well as his son Keith, to

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty solid guys, unflappable, calm, cool and collected, very

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<v Speaker 2>credible as I looked in their eyes, and I watched

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<v Speaker 2>their eyes as they told me about the experiences that

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<v Speaker 2>they had on that cool Friday evening in nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Henry would service country and he come back home and

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<v Speaker 2>shortly thereafter purchase a piece of property near Lake Moultrie,

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<v Speaker 2>South Carolina. He would marry and he and his wife

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<v Speaker 2>would have two sons. He raised his sons in the

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<v Speaker 2>same manner that he was raised, and that was to

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate everything the outdoors has to offer, and he raised

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<v Speaker 2>them to continue the family tradition of these weekend fishing

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<v Speaker 2>and camping trips. Now it was on a Friday in

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<v Speaker 2>early spring of nineteen eighty seven. Early afternoon, he and

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<v Speaker 2>his oldest son Keith, packed up all their gear, loaded

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<v Speaker 2>the boat up, and headed to their favorite camping spot.

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<v Speaker 2>This camping spot was actually owned by one of their relatives.

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<v Speaker 2>He was right there at water, and they were able

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<v Speaker 2>to use it as a shoving off point for their

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<v Speaker 2>fishing expeditions each day. They arrived at camp early and

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<v Speaker 2>was excited to get some afternoon fishing in before the

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<v Speaker 2>sun set. So they got camp set up and squared

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<v Speaker 2>away and got the boat out on the water, and

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<v Speaker 2>off they went, and to their joy that afternoon, the

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<v Speaker 2>fishing was incredible, as we would say here in the South.

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<v Speaker 2>They caught a whole mess of fish. But the time

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<v Speaker 2>came that they needed to turn around and head back

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<v Speaker 2>to camp so that they could get back before dark.

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<v Speaker 2>This experience gave them a new reason to not want

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<v Speaker 2>to be outside in the dark. As they headed back,

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<v Speaker 2>Henry found himself day dreamy thinking about the spots they

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<v Speaker 2>would hit the next day. They would have all of

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<v Speaker 2>the next day and part of Sunday to do some fishing,

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<v Speaker 2>but his son Keith, pointing out something up ahead, interrupted

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<v Speaker 2>his thoughts, and Keith said that it ain'ted a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit cold for somebody to be standing in the river

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<v Speaker 2>this time of year, and they're in the distance, Henry

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<v Speaker 2>saw who he was talking about. Now at that distance,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things stood out Henry. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a very tall individual, and secondly, they appeared

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<v Speaker 2>to be wearing very bulky clothing because they looked very

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<v Speaker 2>wide and broad. As they got close, they were starting

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to see a little bit of detail.

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<v Speaker 2>The sun was still up and it was getting low,

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<v Speaker 2>and the shadow and the light that time and day

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<v Speaker 2>can play tricks on the mind. But Henry's perspective changed

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<v Speaker 2>of what he was seeing. Instead of looking like a big,

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<v Speaker 2>tall man wearing bulky clothing, it suddenly appeared, with the

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<v Speaker 2>closer distance that this was a very tall man, but

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<v Speaker 2>strangely enough, was standing in the river wearing a full

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<v Speaker 2>length long fur coat. And as he and Keith got closer,

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<v Speaker 2>it was obvious that this person had its back turn

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<v Speaker 2>to him and Keith. So he stopped the boat and

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<v Speaker 2>he shouted and said, if you need to reel in

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<v Speaker 2>a fishing line, I can stop here and wait for

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<v Speaker 2>a minute. And he got no response from this person.

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<v Speaker 2>As the boat drifted a little bit. Suddenly this person

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<v Speaker 2>turned around fairly quickly. It was very obvious that this

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<v Speaker 2>was not a person but something else. There before their

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<v Speaker 2>very eyes was a very large, seven plus feet tall creature,

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<v Speaker 2>completely covered in Harry. Henry noted that it had an

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<v Speaker 2>odd shaped head, no neck, very broad shouldered, very big torso,

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<v Speaker 2>very big legs, and that its arms hung down more

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<v Speaker 2>so than a man's would. Henry knew he wasn't looking

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<v Speaker 2>at a man, but he wasn't sure what he was

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<v Speaker 2>looking at. At first, he thought it was some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of ape or gorilla, but as he looked into this

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<v Speaker 2>creature's face, he saw more human like characteristics than anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Then finally the creature looked up and made eye contact

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<v Speaker 2>with him. Henry said that he felt frozen in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith said that at the time he turned his face

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<v Speaker 2>away and that it was quiet, and suddenly, without warning,

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<v Speaker 2>this creature threw its head back, looking up towards the

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<v Speaker 2>sky and screamed. Yelled a terrifying sound to Henry and

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<v Speaker 2>young Keith, and then the creature bent slightly over at

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<v Speaker 2>the waist and slapped the water with both hands, open hands,

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<v Speaker 2>very violently, screamed again and took a couple steps toward them.

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<v Speaker 2>The water was up to its waist, give or take,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was moving pretty quickly in the water. It

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<v Speaker 2>did the whole thing over again. It screamed, but it

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<v Speaker 2>screamed straight at him, looking into Henry's eyes, and slapped

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<v Speaker 2>the water again. It took a couple more steps. Henry

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<v Speaker 2>said it was at that point that he came out

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<v Speaker 2>of a state of hypnosis or something. It was hard

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<v Speaker 2>for him to describe to this day, but when he

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<v Speaker 2>came to, he told his son to hold on. He

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<v Speaker 2>turned around and pulled the start cord to that old

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<v Speaker 2>outboard motor, opened the throttle up as white as it

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<v Speaker 2>would go, and turned that boat around and they started

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<v Speaker 2>heading in the opposite direction. Now, as Henry steered the

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<v Speaker 2>boat with one hand with the motor steer, he had

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<v Speaker 2>to keep an eye ahead to make sure he wor

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<v Speaker 2>going to run aground or hit something. He had to

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<v Speaker 2>turn around and keep an eye on this creature. And

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<v Speaker 2>the creature was still come in, but it was coming slow,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was obvious to him that they were opening

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<v Speaker 2>up the ground between them and this creature. And finally

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<v Speaker 2>Henry just turned around and paid attention to what was

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<v Speaker 2>in front of him. He looked down and saw that

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<v Speaker 2>his son Keith had gotten on the floor of the

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<v Speaker 2>boat and was holding onto one of his legs. And

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<v Speaker 2>they sped off, and finally they had put a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of distance between them and the place where they saw

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<v Speaker 2>this creature. The creature was not to be seen, Andry

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<v Speaker 2>stopped the boat. He was shaken, he was nauseated, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>he felt somewhat dizziest. Son set at his feet, saying, Dad,

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<v Speaker 2>what was that? Is it going to get us? Are

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<v Speaker 2>there more of them? And he hadn't thought about that,

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<v Speaker 2>while continuing to glance around all areas around him. Quickly

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<v Speaker 2>a thought occurred to Henry. They were going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to go back that same direction, or beach the boat

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<v Speaker 2>and go by land to their camp. But as he

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, he figured that as big as that

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<v Speaker 2>creature was, that it could easily overtake them on land,

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<v Speaker 2>and that their chances were probably better to stay on

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<v Speaker 2>the water. So he took the anchor rope off. He

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<v Speaker 2>tied one end around his son's waist, tied the other

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<v Speaker 2>end of the rope around his waist to connect the two.

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<v Speaker 2>Told him to lay down in the boat, he started

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<v Speaker 2>up the engine. They headed back in that direction. He

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<v Speaker 2>proceeded cautiously. Finally had to get this flashlight out to

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<v Speaker 2>illuminate the water in front of him. He watched the shorelines,

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<v Speaker 2>he watched the water. He didn't see the creature. They

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<v Speaker 2>reached the spot where they had solved a creature. Nothing insight,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was so very relieved. He told his son,

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<v Speaker 2>don't get up. He opened the throttle fully. He felt

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<v Speaker 2>that he had to get them out of there right then,

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<v Speaker 2>right now. He just was overwhelmed by this sense of

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<v Speaker 2>urgency and some panic, which was not in his character,

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<v Speaker 2>not in his personality. But as they sped through the

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<v Speaker 2>spot where they had saw the creature, suddenly there was

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<v Speaker 2>splashes around the boat was obf something was being thrown,

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<v Speaker 2>splashes in front beside. He heard a couple of claints

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<v Speaker 2>as what turned out to be rocks landed in the boat.

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<v Speaker 2>They got back to camp. They quickly packed up and

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<v Speaker 2>got out of there. He told his son, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to mention this to anybody at

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<v Speaker 2>all until I say further. As they were driving home,

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<v Speaker 2>the thought hid him. He said there had to be

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<v Speaker 2>more than one, because of all the rocks that were

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<v Speaker 2>being thrown. The next day, Henry called a relative of

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<v Speaker 2>his wife who was a retired game warden out of

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<v Speaker 2>the state of Georgia, and he told the game warden

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, swore him the secrecy, and the game warding

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<v Speaker 2>gave him simple advice. He said, you're not the first

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<v Speaker 2>person to see things like this. I'd keep it to

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<v Speaker 2>yourself and stay out of that area. To this day,

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<v Speaker 2>they have not ever been back to that specific area.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, whether they're together or apart, and they're out

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<v Speaker 2>there fishing, going down a river or a creek, they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking ahead to see if that creature is going to

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<v Speaker 2>reappear once again. I'm going to share with you the

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<v Speaker 2>experience that two men had in May of nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>nine in the mountains western North Carolina, near the Lingual Gorge.

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<v Speaker 2>One of these men saw a drastic transformation. He transformed

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<v Speaker 2>from arrogance to humility. And this transformation was spurred on

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<v Speaker 2>by fear that he felt that was tangible in his

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<v Speaker 2>body and in his spirit. The fear from seeing the

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<v Speaker 2>unknown transformed before his very eyes into the knowle. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the story of Randy and Stephen. Randy and Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>were work associates. They worked together in the town of Hickory,

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. They weren't altogether great friends or anything. They

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<v Speaker 2>had their moments, but at work it was a typical

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<v Speaker 2>male work relationship. They would talk current events or sports,

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<v Speaker 2>or fishing or what have you? Given each other a

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<v Speaker 2>hard time along the way, a lot of ribbing, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of banter back and forth. But when I interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>these two men last year, I saw two men who

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<v Speaker 2>were very close friends, and they both said it was

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<v Speaker 2>because of that night in the woods of western North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>On a rainy nineteen seventy nine May Friday morning, Randy

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<v Speaker 2>and Stephen began their work shift at a place where

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<v Speaker 2>they worked in Hickory, North Carolina. Now, Stephen lived in

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<v Speaker 2>the city of Hickory, Randy had an hour long drive

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<v Speaker 2>to work. He lived further west in the mountains of

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<v Speaker 2>western North Carolina, not too far from the Lingual Gorge.

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<v Speaker 2>These two men would often see things from different perspectives.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen would see things from his perspective as a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that grew up near the city, and Randy would see

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<v Speaker 2>things as his perspective from being a person raised in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods in the mountains of North Carolina. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>somebody had tacked the newspaper article on the bulletin board

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<v Speaker 2>at some point, and it was a newspaper article about Nobby,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what the folks in the South Mountains, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>in the area of Kaser, North Carolina. That's what they

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<v Speaker 2>call their version of Bigfoot. And a conversation ensued and

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen very quickly blurted out, that is complete hogwash. There's

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<v Speaker 2>sure of yourself. What you need to do, Son, is

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<v Speaker 2>arrive at these carved ingranted conclusions. Randy said, those boogers

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<v Speaker 2>Ridge and the Smokies. Debate ensued, It got a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit heated, and Stephen said, how do you know that, Randy.

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<v Speaker 2>Randy said, because I've heard them in the daytime and

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<v Speaker 2>at night, and I have neighbors who have not only

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<v Speaker 2>heard them, but seen them. Stephen, very arrogantly in a

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<v Speaker 2>mocking dinner, said, I don't know what you heard, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they heard or saw. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>no Knobby or no Bigfoot because they don't exist. And

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<v Speaker 2>Randy admit did. At that point, he actually became hot

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<v Speaker 2>under the collar. And Randy said, I asked him if

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<v Speaker 2>he was calling me stupid and backwards or if he

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to answer, because Randy threw the gauntlet. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, I'll tell you what, mister know it all.

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<v Speaker 2>You come up to my place this weekend and I

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<v Speaker 2>see what a night in the dark woods of the

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<v Speaker 2>mountains of North Carolina will do for you. Now, Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>was backed up in that corner that we called a

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<v Speaker 2>have much of an opportunity to do anything but except

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<v Speaker 2>Randy's offer, he had to run his mouth. Now it

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<v Speaker 2>was time to put up or shut up. So that

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<v Speaker 2>next morning, Stephen drove up to Randy's place in the

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<v Speaker 2>mountains with his knapsack and a slipping bag and few

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<v Speaker 2>other things, and Randy greeted him in the yard, and

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<v Speaker 2>Randy said that grin on your face is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be gone by about a half hour after sundown tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>son Randy drove him to a remote logging road about

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<v Speaker 2>two miles from his house. These old logging roads, they're

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<v Speaker 2>or people that hip deep into the wilderness. The place

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<v Speaker 2>that he took Stephen was desolate and out there in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle or nothing. The men parked walked into the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>and little did they realize that the next morning they

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<v Speaker 2>would both walk out drastically changed men. As they set

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<v Speaker 2>up camp, the banner continued. Stephen was just full of

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<v Speaker 2>himself and full of mockery, making monkey noises and shouting

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<v Speaker 2>things like I've got bananas for all, y'all. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>bananas before you come on down and get them. Save

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<v Speaker 2>us to trouble. Come show yourself, And Randy warned him.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, don't holler insults into these mountains because they'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back on you for more sasquatch o to see.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after these messages. Stephen always had

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<v Speaker 2>a smart, wise crack for everything. Late in that afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>Randy walked Stephen away from camp into a nearby cove. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Randy's neighbor had hunted this area and had an experience

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<v Speaker 2>there which is actually going to be a future episode here.

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<v Speaker 2>But the neighbor refused to not only not hunt there anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't go back to that general descent. But as

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<v Speaker 2>they walked along, Steven's was still entertaining himself with his

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<v Speaker 2>wise cracks and his mockery, saying things like, youngs are

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with moonshiners. It's trying to scare y'all away. Speaking

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<v Speaker 2>a liquor, y'all been drinking too much of it up here. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if these monkeys drink liquor. We should have

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<v Speaker 2>brought some liquor with us. We could have partied with

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<v Speaker 2>these monkeys. And Randy was getting more and more tired

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<v Speaker 2>of hearing Stephen's mouth. He told me when I interviewed him,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, I knew that the time was coming when

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<v Speaker 2>the sun set, that his mouth was fally going to

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<v Speaker 2>be shut. So they arrived at the desired destination, and

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<v Speaker 2>Randy said, were going to set down and listen and

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<v Speaker 2>watch and talk quietly, if at all, and Stephen had

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<v Speaker 2>a few more insults to throw in there, and Randy

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<v Speaker 2>finally said, just shut up and listen. Stephen said at

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<v Speaker 2>that point he was realizing that he was rilling Randy up,

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<v Speaker 2>getting under his skin, and he said that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>through with him yet, but for the moment he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to stop with the wise cracks. But about a

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<v Speaker 2>half hour later, the two men both clearly heard a long, deep, frequencied,

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<v Speaker 2>guttural howl that went on for fifteen to twenty seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they heard distinctive ape like noises. It was dark

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<v Speaker 2>by then, and the noises would stop and go a

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<v Speaker 2>period of time, making the men wonder if it was over,

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<v Speaker 2>if they was going to hear the noises anymore. Then

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly they would hear more monkey sounds or howls or hoops.

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<v Speaker 2>At one point they heard an odd whistling noise and

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<v Speaker 2>it continued for a while, but then the sounds started

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<v Speaker 2>getting closer to the two men's position, and Randy said

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<v Speaker 2>at that point he became uneasy and alarmed. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that there was that feeling that a person gets when

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<v Speaker 2>something's just not right, it's what he experienced that every

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<v Speaker 2>fiber of his being was saying, let's get up and

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<v Speaker 2>get out of here. And he told Stephen, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go, let's get back to camp. Stephen had some

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<v Speaker 2>wise cracks loaded for me. He said, no, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'll stay here, but wait a minute, I better go

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<v Speaker 2>with you so you don't get lost, and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And Randy looked at him and said, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get back to camp because you've brought them on top

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<v Speaker 2>of us. They headed back to camp, the whole way

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<v Speaker 2>hearing various other noises, and all the while, although they

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<v Speaker 2>were proceeding toward their camp, the noises still yet seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to be getting closer, and they were just about back

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<v Speaker 2>in the camp and suddenly there was not just one

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<v Speaker 2>of those weird sounding, eerie guttural hous, but several, and

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<v Speaker 2>it stopped the men in their tracks. They were headed

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<v Speaker 2>back to camp, being pursued by things unknown, just making

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of racket yelling and hollering and whooping. Stevens

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<v Speaker 2>said that the thought kept going through his mind the

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<v Speaker 2>entire time as they were retreating back to their camp,

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<v Speaker 2>that Randy had set all of this up ahead of time,

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<v Speaker 2>and that had some accomplices who came out and were

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<v Speaker 2>doing this too scary and get a laugh over on.

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<v Speaker 2>But the sounds of their pursuers seemed to be getting

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<v Speaker 2>closer faster than the men could make up ground getting

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<v Speaker 2>back to their camp. And they were carrying the old

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<v Speaker 2>school bulky flashlights those people in my age group were remembering.

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<v Speaker 2>But they had a big battery pack and it sat

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<v Speaker 2>screwed thumbscrews down, and they were bulky didn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>heck of a long life. So as they were making

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<v Speaker 2>their way back to camp very quickly, I might add,

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<v Speaker 2>Brandy's light went out. His battery died. He told Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>to stop. He said, stop, let me have your light.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine's gone out. And Stephen replied and said, you're really

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<v Speaker 2>doing this up righte, aren't you now your light's going out? Huh?

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<v Speaker 2>Randy said, okay, fine, I'll follow you back to camp.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get us lost. Stephen knew goodding well that he

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<v Speaker 2>would get them lost, so he said, I'll play along,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you run off and leave me, I will

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<v Speaker 2>kill you for this. So Randy took the light and

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<v Speaker 2>the two men kept going. They were crossing a creek,

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<v Speaker 2>which was the last boundary they had to cross before

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<v Speaker 2>back in camp. Old Stephen did a face plant in

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<v Speaker 2>the creek and he got up cussing. He completely lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, this is complete bs, He said, I am

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<v Speaker 2>done with your BS. Randy Stephen didn't realize how close

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<v Speaker 2>they were to camp, but he was just having a

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<v Speaker 2>complete meltdown, a panic attack. Now. The noises of their

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<v Speaker 2>unknown stalkers were extremely loud now, and it finally dawned

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<v Speaker 2>on him in the middle of his meltdown how close

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<v Speaker 2>these sounds were. Both men would say later that they

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<v Speaker 2>thought that they were going to be overtaken at any moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Randy grabbed his smaller, spare flashlight and gave it to

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen in exchange for the big flashlight, and both of

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<v Speaker 2>them were just in a state of indecision for a

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<v Speaker 2>few minutes, just frozen in place the noise and how

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<v Speaker 2>they were hearing the noises, and how they were hearing

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<v Speaker 2>the clear sound now of walking in the leaves. They

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<v Speaker 2>heard something traveling behind them. It was close enough they

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<v Speaker 2>could hear the footsteps in the leaf litter. Randy had

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<v Speaker 2>brought two pistols, but he made a snap judgment, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>He thought himself, I'm not gonna arm Stephen because he's

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<v Speaker 2>had this meltdown and I don't want to be shot Stephen. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>I was back to cussing, was yelling at Randy over

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<v Speaker 2>and over, get your damn friends to stop, Get your

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<v Speaker 2>damn friends to stop. I've had enough, And Randy said

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<v Speaker 2>I wish they were my friends. Steven yelled and cussed again.

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<v Speaker 2>He said to screw that, and he shined the light

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<v Speaker 2>straight ahead in front of him, and he charged in

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<v Speaker 2>the direction that he was shining the flashlight, which was

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<v Speaker 2>toward where the noises were coming from. A few steps

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<v Speaker 2>into it. He wasn't sure how many, as he told

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<v Speaker 2>me the story, but it was a very few steps.

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<v Speaker 2>He was hit square in the head with something, and

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<v Speaker 2>this object struck him at sufficient enough force to daze him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he put him down on the ground on one knee.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he had to take a second. He got

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, I figured it out that it

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<v Speaker 2>had gone quiet, graveyard quiet. All of the yelling and

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<v Speaker 2>hollering and whooping had quit. Randy was approaching him, angry

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<v Speaker 2>was and first of all for charging into the darkness,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was about to ask him, what's your problem?

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<v Speaker 2>And Stephen was about to ask him what are we

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<v Speaker 2>going to do? Suddenly both men started getting pelted by rocks.

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<v Speaker 2>No noises, none of the yelling, none of the whooping

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<v Speaker 2>anything or hearing anything, walking the leaf litter. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just a parade of rocks for a good half a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>They retreated some distance and got down on the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>covered their heads. If I had been him, sorry, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not armchair quarterback, and I'm just saying I would

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<v Speaker 2>have kept on going. I wouldn't have stopped and got

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground. But I get it. At heat of

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, it stopped. The rock throwing stopped, and they

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<v Speaker 2>started shining their lights all around in all directions. It's paranoid,

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<v Speaker 2>complete silence, total silence. But as Stephen was moving his flashlight,

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<v Speaker 2>he caught movement and he stopped his flashlight. He said

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<v Speaker 2>he was literally speechless for a minute. He couldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>articulate to Randy what he had sold. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>it's best just to tell you his words. I will

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<v Speaker 2>read from the direct interview here, Stephen, I saw something

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<v Speaker 2>into this day. I can't say what it was. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the biggest animal I've ever seen around here, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was more scared than I'd ever been that night

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<v Speaker 2>or in my whole life. It was moving from my

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<v Speaker 2>right to my left, about twenty five yards away or so,

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<v Speaker 2>and it moved like a ghost in them woods, like

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<v Speaker 2>it was gliding on two feet. And he looked at

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<v Speaker 2>me and he said, how could something that big could

416
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<v Speaker 2>move so effortlessly and quietly is beyond me? And he

417
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:40.519
<v Speaker 2>said the thing that of it moving just like a ghost.

418
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.519
<v Speaker 2>It was so quick, so stealthy, so quiet. Said that

419
00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:48.119
<v Speaker 2>creepd him out more than anything, and started making the

420
00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.039
<v Speaker 2>panic want to set back in, except this time the

421
00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.640
<v Speaker 2>panic was that he was actually going to get hurt

422
00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:56.480
<v Speaker 2>by some kind of creature, as opposed to being pranked

423
00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:01.720
<v Speaker 2>by ran in some guys. So that stopped. Nothing else happened,

424
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:05.559
<v Speaker 2>no more noises, no more anything. But they both reported

425
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to me It said that a bad smell lingered in

426
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.519
<v Speaker 2>the area for just a few minutes, and then it

427
00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>was gone, and they were in silence, and then finally

428
00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Randy broke the silence and he said I apologized to

429
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.559
<v Speaker 2>you for bringing you out here. He said, I never

430
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 2>thought something like this would happen, So I thought we

431
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:25.279
<v Speaker 2>would hear some things and that's it. Stephen asked Rand.

432
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:28.599
<v Speaker 2>He said, did you see that huge thing? And Randy

433
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:31.160
<v Speaker 2>said no, he didn't, and Stephen asked him that time

434
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:33.359
<v Speaker 2>he said, can we please just get out of here?

435
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>They left, got to their vehicle post haste. Like his neighbor.

436
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:41.720
<v Speaker 2>To this day, Randy and certainly Stephen as well, never

437
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.119
<v Speaker 2>returned to that area again. So I talked to Stephen

438
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.319
<v Speaker 2>at one on one and I asked him, I said,

439
00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:49.960
<v Speaker 2>why did you just immediately declare that this type of

440
00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:52.880
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon was just completely impossible? And he said a quote

441
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I was told that it was not real and it

442
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:58.440
<v Speaker 2>just didn't make sense to me. And I asked him,

443
00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, who told you that that wasn't real? He said,

444
00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:03.039
<v Speaker 2>just people in general. Then I asked him, I said,

445
00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:07.240
<v Speaker 2>why did you feel so comfortable making fun in mocking people?

446
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:09.440
<v Speaker 2>He said, I don't know, but I'll never do it again.

447
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Skepticism we need mockery, and arrogance and meanness we don't

448
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.359
<v Speaker 2>need now. I had to privilege this past weekend of

449
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:21.160
<v Speaker 2>being part of groups that investigated and explored an area

450
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:26.720
<v Speaker 2>that has become known as a hotspot in terms of cryptid,

451
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:31.839
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot sasquatch, nobby whatever you want to call the phenomena, sightings,

452
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:36.720
<v Speaker 2>evidence found, vocalizations reported in that type of thing. Now,

453
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:40.119
<v Speaker 2>this area that I'm speaking of was under observation this

454
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.759
<v Speaker 2>weekend for a little more than forty hours. That's a

455
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.839
<v Speaker 2>remarkable time period to have an area under observation. So

456
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Deny and I almost share with you our experiences, in our findings.

457
00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.880
<v Speaker 2>It is my intent to present these things to you.

458
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I assure you they are one hundred percent truthful. There's

459
00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:01.680
<v Speaker 2>no embellishment, there's no dramatization. You interpret these things as

460
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:05.200
<v Speaker 2>you see fit, decide for yourself, do some critical thinking

461
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and analysis, draw your own conclusions. Friday nights, some guys

462
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.960
<v Speaker 2>from Dirty South Squatching came in top notch investigators and

463
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.720
<v Speaker 2>set up a listening post and observation posts and high

464
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:19.880
<v Speaker 2>end equipment. Sunday morning, I had the privilege of meeting

465
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.599
<v Speaker 2>with investigator Tim Dials out of the Big Mountains of

466
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, and investigator and author George Lunsford, also from

467
00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 2>up in the Big Mountains. We call them the big

468
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:34.359
<v Speaker 2>mountains here in the foothills. These guys are members of

469
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>NCI North Carolina Investigates, and I am privileged to report

470
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:40.799
<v Speaker 2>that I am a part of that group as well.

471
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:43.559
<v Speaker 2>We stepped out in the wilderness that morning about nine

472
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:45.759
<v Speaker 2>thirty am. We had a chance to meet up with

473
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.559
<v Speaker 2>the Dirty South Squatching guys, and I and Tim am

474
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 2>also members of that group. Our destination after we exchange

475
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:57.880
<v Speaker 2>some much information with the two Dirty South Squatching investigators.

476
00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Our destination was the first of three three deer kill

477
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:05.240
<v Speaker 2>sites along the way. We discovered a possible footprint in

478
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>the middle of a sandbar in the creek. We'll call

479
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>that one undetermined but possible. We discovered numerous tree breaks.

480
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:18.519
<v Speaker 2>We discovered evidue of ambush sites. An ambushed site can

481
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.640
<v Speaker 2>be set up by funneling game into a kill zone

482
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.599
<v Speaker 2>into a funnel. Mankind has used that hunting method for

483
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:29.400
<v Speaker 2>a long time, but there's evidence that cryptids do it

484
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:34.680
<v Speaker 2>as well. We discovered structures, that is, trees and sticks

485
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.119
<v Speaker 2>and things position in such a way that it just

486
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.400
<v Speaker 2>appears to be highly unlikely that it was just happens.

487
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Since that's the subject for a whole other episode. Something

488
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.559
<v Speaker 2>you can study up on your own book. We reached

489
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.759
<v Speaker 2>the first kill site. I had already seen this kill.

490
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Both Tim Dial's and George Lunsford had not, and I

491
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>wanted them to see it. The ribs on this deer

492
00:27:55.880 --> 00:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>were obviously fractured, severely fractured, multiple ribs, not and all

493
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>on by animals at the time of death, but fractured.

494
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.480
<v Speaker 2>The neck appeared to be twisted. It didn't appear to

495
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.440
<v Speaker 2>be twisted, it was twisted. It was in an unnatural position,

496
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 2>and it appeared as though the deer had been taken

497
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.279
<v Speaker 2>down with such force that the head was twisted up

498
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:21.680
<v Speaker 2>and backwards. But even more alarmingly, one of the back

499
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.920
<v Speaker 2>legs was snapped. One theory is, and what the evidence

500
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>suggested is that was the means of incapacitation. So we

501
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>duly noted those things, the tree breaks, the ambush sites, structures,

502
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.359
<v Speaker 2>and most definitely this deer kill. We left out. En

503
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 2>route to kill site or kill area number two. We

504
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 2>crossed into a small muky area where a small creek

505
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 2>and a medium creek converge. And in this mucky area

506
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>we found several footprints, but one footprint in particular was pristine.

507
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>After some analysis and extrapolation, it would appear that the

508
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 2>individual that made this footprint would weigh around five hundred,

509
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>five hundred and fifty pounds. And that's based on how

510
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:14.680
<v Speaker 2>deep my footprint was impressed beside of it versus how

511
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>deep it was now. In kill area number two, these

512
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.319
<v Speaker 2>were older kills, multiple kills. Very little is left of

513
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:28.200
<v Speaker 2>those kills, not much for George and Tim to be

514
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.119
<v Speaker 2>able to see and gain a whole lot from. But

515
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I could just give them my description because I had

516
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:36.519
<v Speaker 2>seen several of the kills fresh back last year. And

517
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 2>then with would kill site number three, we founded the deer.

518
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Only half of it was accounted for. The back part

519
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>of the spine and the pelvis was there, one leg

520
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.799
<v Speaker 2>was there, the front part of the spine in the head,

521
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.119
<v Speaker 2>and the other legs were completely missing. Then something was

522
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.680
<v Speaker 2>noticed up in a small holly tree about seven and

523
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 2>a half feet up, and it was the front spine area,

524
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 2>the riar barrier or what was left of the rib

525
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.319
<v Speaker 2>and the top part of the cervical vertebrae to include

526
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:11.200
<v Speaker 2>part of the skull still being attached to the spinal column.

527
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Just a small area of the skull had been crushed

528
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.200
<v Speaker 2>or ripped away. We know that it was violently taken.

529
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Apart from that carcass, stay tuned for more sasquatch out

530
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 2>to see. We'll be right back after these messages. Then

531
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.759
<v Speaker 2>we found a jobb one. We presumed this deer hanging

532
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 2>in a small tree, very deliberately placed there in my opinion,

533
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>as another sign that something was marking this area. We

534
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 2>found two tree breaks right there at the kill site

535
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>areas that it appeared something large had possibly bedded down.

536
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:54.240
<v Speaker 2>We spent a good bit of time there investigating it,

537
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.519
<v Speaker 2>looking at everything, trying to put together the theories. But there's

538
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>no doubt there had to crush broken, bibbs was torn apart,

539
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the head was gone, the score was destroyed at some point,

540
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>at minimum, it was violently detached from the spinal column,

541
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 2>so much so that it left part of the skull

542
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>cap attached to the spine. And having noted all of that,

543
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.279
<v Speaker 2>that part of the investigation was over and we headed

544
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:23.319
<v Speaker 2>back up out of the woods. Now that evening, about

545
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>five o'clock, some new folks came in and I joined

546
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.920
<v Speaker 2>them for an overnight camp out, along was six other

547
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>people this past Saturday. The afternoon of this past Saturday,

548
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>we descended into Creek Bottom to set up camp. Our

549
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:42.119
<v Speaker 2>intent was to camp most of all later in the

550
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>night to execute a night hike see what we could

551
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 2>see here, what we could hear. We got camp set up, fellowship.

552
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.559
<v Speaker 2>We didn't make any attempt to be stealthy or quiet,

553
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>because we have found in the past that doesn't seem

554
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.119
<v Speaker 2>to make a big difference. Now the sun set, it

555
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 2>was not quite the appointed time yet for us to

556
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>set out on the night hike, and we were still

557
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.079
<v Speaker 2>talking and carrying. All but two of us heard the

558
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>distinct sound of something walking up on the hill a

559
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 2>couple hundred feet or so from us, on the other

560
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 2>side of an area thickly wooded by mountainlair. And it

561
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.799
<v Speaker 2>was distinct heavy footed, and it didn't seem to be

562
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.559
<v Speaker 2>in any way trying to conceal itself in terms of

563
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the noise that it was making. And we listened for

564
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.000
<v Speaker 2>a minute and it would stop just for a brief

565
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:35.839
<v Speaker 2>second and start again. There was no doubt in my

566
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 2>mind that it was something walking on two feet, so

567
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>we got the rest of the group's attention. We went

568
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:45.319
<v Speaker 2>completely quiet. When we did so, it stopped. We didn't

569
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 2>hear that anymore that point in time, so we tried

570
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.960
<v Speaker 2>to do a few things to try to listen a response,

571
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.200
<v Speaker 2>and we got no response. The appointed time came for

572
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:59.240
<v Speaker 2>us to leave for a night hike. Our route we

573
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>planned was too We go up the western end of

574
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>a ridge that gradually ascended to the top of a

575
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>long ridge. To follow that ridge, then turn south and

576
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.279
<v Speaker 2>go a couple hundred yards to an area where there

577
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 2>was a previous sighting, and we did so. We left

578
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.440
<v Speaker 2>out of camp, and once we got near the top

579
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:25.759
<v Speaker 2>of the ridge, just as we was completing our ascent,

580
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.759
<v Speaker 2>we heard the first of some of the strange sounds,

581
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>the vocalizations. We would stop along the way and just listen.

582
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Now that's really all that happened for the first half

583
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:40.799
<v Speaker 2>of the hike. We reached the far eastern end of

584
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the ridge and as plan, we turned south and went

585
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>a couple hundred yards. As we did so, we were

586
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 2>immediately hit by the quintessential smell. I've talked about it before,

587
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>You've heard it spoken of on other shows and documentaries,

588
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.599
<v Speaker 2>but there was no mistake, and it was a stronger

589
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>level of odor, indicating to me that something was closer

590
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 2>to us as opposed to be in further away from us.

591
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.400
<v Speaker 2>As we reached the terminus of the direction we were

592
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:12.800
<v Speaker 2>traveling towards the south, we could hear some walking in

593
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.719
<v Speaker 2>the woods. The dog that one of the people had

594
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:19.079
<v Speaker 2>at one point in time choked its tail and began

595
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.559
<v Speaker 2>to whimper. The smell was strong at that point, and

596
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:23.679
<v Speaker 2>finally one of the members of the group that had

597
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 2>a thermal night sight picked up in the brush the clear,

598
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:33.519
<v Speaker 2>unmistakable thermal signature of something large. It was far enough

599
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>into the thickly wooded area. This area had been previously

600
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.639
<v Speaker 2>clear cut about ten years ago, so it was thick

601
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.079
<v Speaker 2>with scrub brush. It was thick with taller saplings. Picked

602
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.639
<v Speaker 2>it up on and off for a few minutes, but

603
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 2>the smell never left us, and after a short period

604
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.800
<v Speaker 2>of time we decided that we were going to turn

605
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>back and retrace our steps and head back to camp.

606
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.199
<v Speaker 2>And when we did turn around that the smell had

607
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:03.639
<v Speaker 2>not dissipated or and as we continued our hike, just

608
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:07.480
<v Speaker 2>as we were making our turn to start traveling due west,

609
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.719
<v Speaker 2>something was thrown and disturbed the foliage directly behind us.

610
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 2>We didn't ascertain what was thrown, it was something fairly large,

611
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>so it created quite a stir in the foliage. But

612
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 2>we noticed that off to our left, which would have

613
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 2>been to the south, something was paralleling us. At the time,

614
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I estimated a couple hundred feet away at most. We

615
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.639
<v Speaker 2>would stop. My team member with the thermal scope was

616
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:39.440
<v Speaker 2>very voraciously scanned the area with the thermal scope and

617
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.280
<v Speaker 2>he picked up something. This something that was paralleling us.

618
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 2>It did so for fifteen minutes, and we picked it

619
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 2>up on thermal almost the whole time, to the extent

620
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>that everybody in the group had their turn at being

621
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:57.920
<v Speaker 2>able to look to the thermal site and see whatever

622
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.440
<v Speaker 2>this was off in the disk. It was obvious that

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<v Speaker 2>it was bulky, very tall, and we could compare that

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<v Speaker 2>by looking at other members of the group in the

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00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.920
<v Speaker 2>distance with the thermal compare what we saw there with

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00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>what we saw into the woods, and it was obvious

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<v Speaker 2>that it was large and bulky. The smell was still

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<v Speaker 2>very much strong. When we would stop. It seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>stop walking at least most of the time, and we continue.

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<v Speaker 2>We would make some headway. We would simply proceed forward

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<v Speaker 2>to see what it would do, and it simply kept

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<v Speaker 2>the same distance from us. But stayed up with us,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there was one point when members of the

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<v Speaker 2>group saw strange, unexplained lights. I got two of these

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<v Speaker 2>strange lights, actually different color lights in the trees off

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<v Speaker 2>in the distance. It followed us for a while, and finally,

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<v Speaker 2>as we were getting ready to descend off the western

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00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 2>end of that ridge, it stopped. Soon the smell dissipated

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<v Speaker 2>and we made our way back to camp. When we

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<v Speaker 2>got back to camp, there was nothing else remarkable that

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<v Speaker 2>happened from then until the time that most of us

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00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>started to bed down. However, after a couple hours after

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<v Speaker 2>betting down, we begin to hear in the near distance

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<v Speaker 2>some vocalizations, some howls, some hoops, tree knock, something hitting

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<v Speaker 2>on a tree one time, and occasionally the faint whif.

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<v Speaker 2>I could even smell at land in my tent, that

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<v Speaker 2>faint but foul, strong odor that I've smelled and others

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<v Speaker 2>have smelled so many times in this area. In about

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<v Speaker 2>three a m. That morning, Sunday morning, again something began

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<v Speaker 2>to blurk outside of our camp, clearly the same thing,

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00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:47.440
<v Speaker 2>heavy steps walking on two feet, and it was far

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<v Speaker 2>enough up the hill where we couldn't detect it visually.

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<v Speaker 2>At all, but we could definitely hear it and smell it.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing else happened the remainder of the night. We woke

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<v Speaker 2>up the next morning and there was good news. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>was alive and accounted for. So I'm handing all this

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<v Speaker 2>to you. You make of it what you will, but

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<v Speaker 2>these things definitely happen. These are all physical things that

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<v Speaker 2>we saw, that we heard, that we smelled. Something began

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<v Speaker 2>to lurk outside of our camp. Clearly the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Heavy steps walking on two feet. And oh yeah, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, I mentioned the pristine footprint on Leave You Hanging.

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<v Speaker 2>We cast it thirteen inches long, impressed in the dirt,

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<v Speaker 2>almost three inches to whatever made this print, after comparing

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<v Speaker 2>it to my impressions to how deeply my foot impressed

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<v Speaker 2>the earth. Whatever made this was over five hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you, guys. I'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't, I can't, I can't. I can