Speaker 1: Now one you're putting. I got a string going on here.
Speaker 1: Something just killing my dog. Something killed your dog, my dog.
Speaker 1: We're flying through the or over the tree. I don't
Speaker 1: know how it did it, Okay, damn, And I'm really confused.
Speaker 1: All I saw is my dog coming over the fence,
Speaker 1: and he was dead once you hit the ground. Like.
Speaker 1: I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my
Speaker 1: dog coming over the fence. What are you reputing? We
Speaker 1: got some wonder or something frowling around out here? Did
Speaker 1: you see what it was? It was? It was seeing enough.
Speaker 1: I'm out here looking through the window now and I
Speaker 1: don't see anything. I don't want to go outside. Jesus quiet,
Speaker 1: you better, hello, get somebody out here. What quin on
Speaker 1: out There's thought of a bit about text nine? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Easy out there.
Speaker 2: Ye hey, I want to thank you for joining me
Speaker 2: for this week's special episode of the strange and unexplained
Speaker 2: Phenomena of the South Mountains of North Carolina. Let's get
Speaker 2: started immediately, if not sooner. The very horrifying experience had
Speaker 2: by a father and son duo who in the spring
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty seven in eastern South Carolina would have
Speaker 2: an experience that would profoundly affect the way that they
Speaker 2: saw the great outdoors and the way that they saw
Speaker 2: nature for the rest of their lives. Henry the Father
Speaker 2: is now almost seventy five years old. Henry is a
Speaker 2: man who has sold things in his life, a man
Speaker 2: who has been around to include a combat deformant to
Speaker 2: Vietnam while he was in the United States Military. And
Speaker 2: I assessed Henry, as well as his son Keith, to
Speaker 2: be pretty solid guys, unflappable, calm, cool and collected, very
Speaker 2: credible as I looked in their eyes, and I watched
Speaker 2: their eyes as they told me about the experiences that
Speaker 2: they had on that cool Friday evening in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2: Henry would service country and he come back home and
Speaker 2: shortly thereafter purchase a piece of property near Lake Moultrie,
Speaker 2: South Carolina. He would marry and he and his wife
Speaker 2: would have two sons. He raised his sons in the
Speaker 2: same manner that he was raised, and that was to
Speaker 2: appreciate everything the outdoors has to offer, and he raised
Speaker 2: them to continue the family tradition of these weekend fishing
Speaker 2: and camping trips. Now it was on a Friday in
Speaker 2: early spring of nineteen eighty seven. Early afternoon, he and
Speaker 2: his oldest son Keith, packed up all their gear, loaded
Speaker 2: the boat up, and headed to their favorite camping spot.
Speaker 2: This camping spot was actually owned by one of their relatives.
Speaker 2: He was right there at water, and they were able
Speaker 2: to use it as a shoving off point for their
Speaker 2: fishing expeditions each day. They arrived at camp early and
Speaker 2: was excited to get some afternoon fishing in before the
Speaker 2: sun set. So they got camp set up and squared
Speaker 2: away and got the boat out on the water, and
Speaker 2: off they went, and to their joy that afternoon, the
Speaker 2: fishing was incredible, as we would say here in the South.
Speaker 2: They caught a whole mess of fish. But the time
Speaker 2: came that they needed to turn around and head back
Speaker 2: to camp so that they could get back before dark.
Speaker 2: This experience gave them a new reason to not want
Speaker 2: to be outside in the dark. As they headed back,
Speaker 2: Henry found himself day dreamy thinking about the spots they
Speaker 2: would hit the next day. They would have all of
Speaker 2: the next day and part of Sunday to do some fishing,
Speaker 2: but his son Keith, pointing out something up ahead, interrupted
Speaker 2: his thoughts, and Keith said that it ain'ted a little
Speaker 2: bit cold for somebody to be standing in the river
Speaker 2: this time of year, and they're in the distance, Henry
Speaker 2: saw who he was talking about. Now at that distance,
Speaker 2: a couple of things stood out Henry. First of all,
Speaker 2: this was a very tall individual, and secondly, they appeared
Speaker 2: to be wearing very bulky clothing because they looked very
Speaker 2: wide and broad. As they got close, they were starting
Speaker 2: to be able to see a little bit of detail.
Speaker 2: The sun was still up and it was getting low,
Speaker 2: and the shadow and the light that time and day
Speaker 2: can play tricks on the mind. But Henry's perspective changed
Speaker 2: of what he was seeing. Instead of looking like a big,
Speaker 2: tall man wearing bulky clothing, it suddenly appeared, with the
Speaker 2: closer distance that this was a very tall man, but
Speaker 2: strangely enough, was standing in the river wearing a full
Speaker 2: length long fur coat. And as he and Keith got closer,
Speaker 2: it was obvious that this person had its back turn
Speaker 2: to him and Keith. So he stopped the boat and
Speaker 2: he shouted and said, if you need to reel in
Speaker 2: a fishing line, I can stop here and wait for
Speaker 2: a minute. And he got no response from this person.
Speaker 2: As the boat drifted a little bit. Suddenly this person
Speaker 2: turned around fairly quickly. It was very obvious that this
Speaker 2: was not a person but something else. There before their
Speaker 2: very eyes was a very large, seven plus feet tall creature,
Speaker 2: completely covered in Harry. Henry noted that it had an
Speaker 2: odd shaped head, no neck, very broad shouldered, very big torso,
Speaker 2: very big legs, and that its arms hung down more
Speaker 2: so than a man's would. Henry knew he wasn't looking
Speaker 2: at a man, but he wasn't sure what he was
Speaker 2: looking at. At first, he thought it was some kind
Speaker 2: of ape or gorilla, but as he looked into this
Speaker 2: creature's face, he saw more human like characteristics than anything else.
Speaker 2: Then finally the creature looked up and made eye contact
Speaker 2: with him. Henry said that he felt frozen in time.
Speaker 2: Keith said that at the time he turned his face
Speaker 2: away and that it was quiet, and suddenly, without warning,
Speaker 2: this creature threw its head back, looking up towards the
Speaker 2: sky and screamed. Yelled a terrifying sound to Henry and
Speaker 2: young Keith, and then the creature bent slightly over at
Speaker 2: the waist and slapped the water with both hands, open hands,
Speaker 2: very violently, screamed again and took a couple steps toward them.
Speaker 2: The water was up to its waist, give or take,
Speaker 2: but it was moving pretty quickly in the water. It
Speaker 2: did the whole thing over again. It screamed, but it
Speaker 2: screamed straight at him, looking into Henry's eyes, and slapped
Speaker 2: the water again. It took a couple more steps. Henry
Speaker 2: said it was at that point that he came out
Speaker 2: of a state of hypnosis or something. It was hard
Speaker 2: for him to describe to this day, but when he
Speaker 2: came to, he told his son to hold on. He
Speaker 2: turned around and pulled the start cord to that old
Speaker 2: outboard motor, opened the throttle up as white as it
Speaker 2: would go, and turned that boat around and they started
Speaker 2: heading in the opposite direction. Now, as Henry steered the
Speaker 2: boat with one hand with the motor steer, he had
Speaker 2: to keep an eye ahead to make sure he wor
Speaker 2: going to run aground or hit something. He had to
Speaker 2: turn around and keep an eye on this creature. And
Speaker 2: the creature was still come in, but it was coming slow,
Speaker 2: and it was obvious to him that they were opening
Speaker 2: up the ground between them and this creature. And finally
Speaker 2: Henry just turned around and paid attention to what was
Speaker 2: in front of him. He looked down and saw that
Speaker 2: his son Keith had gotten on the floor of the
Speaker 2: boat and was holding onto one of his legs. And
Speaker 2: they sped off, and finally they had put a lot
Speaker 2: of distance between them and the place where they saw
Speaker 2: this creature. The creature was not to be seen, Andry
Speaker 2: stopped the boat. He was shaken, he was nauseated, he said,
Speaker 2: he felt somewhat dizziest. Son set at his feet, saying, Dad,
Speaker 2: what was that? Is it going to get us? Are
Speaker 2: there more of them? And he hadn't thought about that,
Speaker 2: while continuing to glance around all areas around him. Quickly
Speaker 2: a thought occurred to Henry. They were going to have
Speaker 2: to go back that same direction, or beach the boat
Speaker 2: and go by land to their camp. But as he
Speaker 2: thought about it, he figured that as big as that
Speaker 2: creature was, that it could easily overtake them on land,
Speaker 2: and that their chances were probably better to stay on
Speaker 2: the water. So he took the anchor rope off. He
Speaker 2: tied one end around his son's waist, tied the other
Speaker 2: end of the rope around his waist to connect the two.
Speaker 2: Told him to lay down in the boat, he started
Speaker 2: up the engine. They headed back in that direction. He
Speaker 2: proceeded cautiously. Finally had to get this flashlight out to
Speaker 2: illuminate the water in front of him. He watched the shorelines,
Speaker 2: he watched the water. He didn't see the creature. They
Speaker 2: reached the spot where they had solved a creature. Nothing insight,
Speaker 2: and he was so very relieved. He told his son,
Speaker 2: don't get up. He opened the throttle fully. He felt
Speaker 2: that he had to get them out of there right then,
Speaker 2: right now. He just was overwhelmed by this sense of
Speaker 2: urgency and some panic, which was not in his character,
Speaker 2: not in his personality. But as they sped through the
Speaker 2: spot where they had saw the creature, suddenly there was
Speaker 2: splashes around the boat was obf something was being thrown,
Speaker 2: splashes in front beside. He heard a couple of claints
Speaker 2: as what turned out to be rocks landed in the boat.
Speaker 2: They got back to camp. They quickly packed up and
Speaker 2: got out of there. He told his son, he said,
Speaker 2: I don't want you to mention this to anybody at
Speaker 2: all until I say further. As they were driving home,
Speaker 2: the thought hid him. He said there had to be
Speaker 2: more than one, because of all the rocks that were
Speaker 2: being thrown. The next day, Henry called a relative of
Speaker 2: his wife who was a retired game warden out of
Speaker 2: the state of Georgia, and he told the game warden
Speaker 2: what happened, swore him the secrecy, and the game warding
Speaker 2: gave him simple advice. He said, you're not the first
Speaker 2: person to see things like this. I'd keep it to
Speaker 2: yourself and stay out of that area. To this day,
Speaker 2: they have not ever been back to that specific area.
Speaker 2: And now, whether they're together or apart, and they're out
Speaker 2: there fishing, going down a river or a creek, they're
Speaker 2: looking ahead to see if that creature is going to
Speaker 2: reappear once again. I'm going to share with you the
Speaker 2: experience that two men had in May of nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: nine in the mountains western North Carolina, near the Lingual Gorge.
Speaker 2: One of these men saw a drastic transformation. He transformed
Speaker 2: from arrogance to humility. And this transformation was spurred on
Speaker 2: by fear that he felt that was tangible in his
Speaker 2: body and in his spirit. The fear from seeing the
Speaker 2: unknown transformed before his very eyes into the knowle. This
Speaker 2: is the story of Randy and Stephen. Randy and Stephen
Speaker 2: were work associates. They worked together in the town of Hickory,
Speaker 2: North Carolina. They weren't altogether great friends or anything. They
Speaker 2: had their moments, but at work it was a typical
Speaker 2: male work relationship. They would talk current events or sports,
Speaker 2: or fishing or what have you? Given each other a
Speaker 2: hard time along the way, a lot of ribbing, a
Speaker 2: lot of banter back and forth. But when I interviewed
Speaker 2: these two men last year, I saw two men who
Speaker 2: were very close friends, and they both said it was
Speaker 2: because of that night in the woods of western North Carolina.
Speaker 2: On a rainy nineteen seventy nine May Friday morning, Randy
Speaker 2: and Stephen began their work shift at a place where
Speaker 2: they worked in Hickory, North Carolina. Now, Stephen lived in
Speaker 2: the city of Hickory, Randy had an hour long drive
Speaker 2: to work. He lived further west in the mountains of
Speaker 2: western North Carolina, not too far from the Lingual Gorge.
Speaker 2: These two men would often see things from different perspectives.
Speaker 2: Stephen would see things from his perspective as a guy
Speaker 2: that grew up near the city, and Randy would see
Speaker 2: things as his perspective from being a person raised in
Speaker 2: the woods in the mountains of North Carolina. They're not
Speaker 2: too long into the shift. That morning, an odd, unexpected
Speaker 2: subject came up. They walked into the break ring and
Speaker 2: somebody had tacked the newspaper article on the bulletin board
Speaker 2: at some point, and it was a newspaper article about Nobby,
Speaker 2: which is what the folks in the South Mountains, particularly
Speaker 2: in the area of Kaser, North Carolina. That's what they
Speaker 2: call their version of Bigfoot. And a conversation ensued and
Speaker 2: Stephen very quickly blurted out, that is complete hogwash. There's
Speaker 2: absolutely no such a thing. Randy said, don't be so
Speaker 2: sure of yourself. What you need to do, Son, is
Speaker 2: you need to talk to some mountain folk before you
Speaker 2: arrive at these carved ingranted conclusions. Randy said, those boogers
Speaker 2: don't just live down there in their Kazer in the
Speaker 2: South Mountains. They're all over the mountains of the Blue
Speaker 2: Ridge and the Smokies. Debate ensued, It got a little
Speaker 2: bit heated, and Stephen said, how do you know that, Randy.
Speaker 2: Randy said, because I've heard them in the daytime and
Speaker 2: at night, and I have neighbors who have not only
Speaker 2: heard them, but seen them. Stephen, very arrogantly in a
Speaker 2: mocking dinner, said, I don't know what you heard, and
Speaker 2: I don't know what they heard or saw. It wasn't
Speaker 2: no Knobby or no Bigfoot because they don't exist. And
Speaker 2: Randy admit did. At that point, he actually became hot
Speaker 2: under the collar. And Randy said, I asked him if
Speaker 2: he was calling me stupid and backwards or if he
Speaker 2: was calling me a liar, But Randy didn't give him
Speaker 2: the opportunity to answer, because Randy threw the gauntlet. Now,
Speaker 2: he said, I'll tell you what, mister know it all.
Speaker 2: You come up to my place this weekend and I
Speaker 2: got a spot for us to go camp, and we'll
Speaker 2: see what a night in the dark woods of the
Speaker 2: mountains of North Carolina will do for you. Now, Stephen
Speaker 2: was backed up in that corner that we called a
Speaker 2: put up or shut up corner, and he really didn't
Speaker 2: have much of an opportunity to do anything but except
Speaker 2: Randy's offer, he had to run his mouth. Now it
Speaker 2: was time to put up or shut up. So that
Speaker 2: next morning, Stephen drove up to Randy's place in the
Speaker 2: mountains with his knapsack and a slipping bag and few
Speaker 2: other things, and Randy greeted him in the yard, and
Speaker 2: Randy said that grin on your face is going to
Speaker 2: be gone by about a half hour after sundown tonight,
Speaker 2: son Randy drove him to a remote logging road about
Speaker 2: two miles from his house. These old logging roads, they're
Speaker 2: all over the mountains and some of them are grown
Speaker 2: up and not traveled very often, usually only by hunters
Speaker 2: or people that hip deep into the wilderness. The place
Speaker 2: that he took Stephen was desolate and out there in
Speaker 2: the middle or nothing. The men parked walked into the woods,
Speaker 2: and little did they realize that the next morning they
Speaker 2: would both walk out drastically changed men. As they set
Speaker 2: up camp, the banner continued. Stephen was just full of
Speaker 2: himself and full of mockery, making monkey noises and shouting
Speaker 2: things like I've got bananas for all, y'all. I've got
Speaker 2: bananas before you come on down and get them. Save
Speaker 2: us to trouble. Come show yourself, And Randy warned him.
Speaker 2: He said, don't holler insults into these mountains because they'll
Speaker 2: come back on you for more sasquatch o to see.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages. Stephen always had
Speaker 2: a smart, wise crack for everything. Late in that afternoon,
Speaker 2: Randy walked Stephen away from camp into a nearby cove. Now,
Speaker 2: Randy's neighbor had hunted this area and had an experience
Speaker 2: there which is actually going to be a future episode here.
Speaker 2: But the neighbor refused to not only not hunt there anymore,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't go back to that general descent. But as
Speaker 2: they walked along, Steven's was still entertaining himself with his
Speaker 2: wise cracks and his mockery, saying things like, youngs are
Speaker 2: dealing with moonshiners. It's trying to scare y'all away. Speaking
Speaker 2: a liquor, y'all been drinking too much of it up here. Hey,
Speaker 2: I wonder if these monkeys drink liquor. We should have
Speaker 2: brought some liquor with us. We could have partied with
Speaker 2: these monkeys. And Randy was getting more and more tired
Speaker 2: of hearing Stephen's mouth. He told me when I interviewed him,
Speaker 2: he said, I knew that the time was coming when
Speaker 2: the sun set, that his mouth was fally going to
Speaker 2: be shut. So they arrived at the desired destination, and
Speaker 2: Randy said, were going to set down and listen and
Speaker 2: watch and talk quietly, if at all, and Stephen had
Speaker 2: a few more insults to throw in there, and Randy
Speaker 2: finally said, just shut up and listen. Stephen said at
Speaker 2: that point he was realizing that he was rilling Randy up,
Speaker 2: getting under his skin, and he said that he wasn't
Speaker 2: through with him yet, but for the moment he was
Speaker 2: going to stop with the wise cracks. But about a
Speaker 2: half hour later, the two men both clearly heard a long, deep, frequencied,
Speaker 2: guttural howl that went on for fifteen to twenty seconds.
Speaker 2: Then they heard distinctive ape like noises. It was dark
Speaker 2: by then, and the noises would stop and go a
Speaker 2: period of time, making the men wonder if it was over,
Speaker 2: if they was going to hear the noises anymore. Then
Speaker 2: suddenly they would hear more monkey sounds or howls or hoops.
Speaker 2: At one point they heard an odd whistling noise and
Speaker 2: it continued for a while, but then the sounds started
Speaker 2: getting closer to the two men's position, and Randy said
Speaker 2: at that point he became uneasy and alarmed. He said
Speaker 2: that there was that feeling that a person gets when
Speaker 2: something's just not right, it's what he experienced that every
Speaker 2: fiber of his being was saying, let's get up and
Speaker 2: get out of here. And he told Stephen, he said,
Speaker 2: let's go, let's get back to camp. Stephen had some
Speaker 2: wise cracks loaded for me. He said, no, I think
Speaker 2: I'll stay here, but wait a minute, I better go
Speaker 2: with you so you don't get lost, and things like that.
Speaker 2: And Randy looked at him and said, we're going to
Speaker 2: get back to camp because you've brought them on top
Speaker 2: of us. They headed back to camp, the whole way
Speaker 2: hearing various other noises, and all the while, although they
Speaker 2: were proceeding toward their camp, the noises still yet seemed
Speaker 2: to be getting closer, and they were just about back
Speaker 2: in the camp and suddenly there was not just one
Speaker 2: of those weird sounding, eerie guttural hous, but several, and
Speaker 2: it stopped the men in their tracks. They were headed
Speaker 2: back to camp, being pursued by things unknown, just making
Speaker 2: a lot of racket yelling and hollering and whooping. Stevens
Speaker 2: said that the thought kept going through his mind the
Speaker 2: entire time as they were retreating back to their camp,
Speaker 2: that Randy had set all of this up ahead of time,
Speaker 2: and that had some accomplices who came out and were
Speaker 2: doing this too scary and get a laugh over on.
Speaker 2: But the sounds of their pursuers seemed to be getting
Speaker 2: closer faster than the men could make up ground getting
Speaker 2: back to their camp. And they were carrying the old
Speaker 2: school bulky flashlights those people in my age group were remembering.
Speaker 2: But they had a big battery pack and it sat
Speaker 2: down on top of the battery in it, and you
Speaker 2: screwed thumbscrews down, and they were bulky didn't have a
Speaker 2: heck of a long life. So as they were making
Speaker 2: their way back to camp very quickly, I might add,
Speaker 2: Brandy's light went out. His battery died. He told Stephen
Speaker 2: to stop. He said, stop, let me have your light.
Speaker 2: Mine's gone out. And Stephen replied and said, you're really
Speaker 2: doing this up righte, aren't you now your light's going out? Huh?
Speaker 2: Randy said, okay, fine, I'll follow you back to camp.
Speaker 2: Don't get us lost. Stephen knew goodding well that he
Speaker 2: would get them lost, so he said, I'll play along,
Speaker 2: but if you run off and leave me, I will
Speaker 2: kill you for this. So Randy took the light and
Speaker 2: the two men kept going. They were crossing a creek,
Speaker 2: which was the last boundary they had to cross before
Speaker 2: back in camp. Old Stephen did a face plant in
Speaker 2: the creek and he got up cussing. He completely lost it.
Speaker 2: He said, this is complete bs, He said, I am
Speaker 2: done with your BS. Randy Stephen didn't realize how close
Speaker 2: they were to camp, but he was just having a
Speaker 2: complete meltdown, a panic attack. Now. The noises of their
Speaker 2: unknown stalkers were extremely loud now, and it finally dawned
Speaker 2: on him in the middle of his meltdown how close
Speaker 2: these sounds were. Both men would say later that they
Speaker 2: thought that they were going to be overtaken at any moment.
Speaker 2: Randy grabbed his smaller, spare flashlight and gave it to
Speaker 2: Stephen in exchange for the big flashlight, and both of
Speaker 2: them were just in a state of indecision for a
Speaker 2: few minutes, just frozen in place the noise and how
Speaker 2: they were hearing the noises, and how they were hearing
Speaker 2: the clear sound now of walking in the leaves. They
Speaker 2: heard something traveling behind them. It was close enough they
Speaker 2: could hear the footsteps in the leaf litter. Randy had
Speaker 2: brought two pistols, but he made a snap judgment, he said,
Speaker 2: He thought himself, I'm not gonna arm Stephen because he's
Speaker 2: had this meltdown and I don't want to be shot Stephen. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: I was back to cussing, was yelling at Randy over
Speaker 2: and over, get your damn friends to stop, Get your
Speaker 2: damn friends to stop. I've had enough, And Randy said
Speaker 2: I wish they were my friends. Steven yelled and cussed again.
Speaker 2: He said to screw that, and he shined the light
Speaker 2: straight ahead in front of him, and he charged in
Speaker 2: the direction that he was shining the flashlight, which was
Speaker 2: toward where the noises were coming from. A few steps
Speaker 2: into it. He wasn't sure how many, as he told
Speaker 2: me the story, but it was a very few steps.
Speaker 2: He was hit square in the head with something, and
Speaker 2: this object struck him at sufficient enough force to daze him,
Speaker 2: and he put him down on the ground on one knee.
Speaker 2: He said he had to take a second. He got
Speaker 2: up and was trying to regain his senses, and he said,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I figured it out that it
Speaker 2: had gone quiet, graveyard quiet. All of the yelling and
Speaker 2: hollering and whooping had quit. Randy was approaching him, angry
Speaker 2: was and first of all for charging into the darkness,
Speaker 2: and he was about to ask him, what's your problem?
Speaker 2: And Stephen was about to ask him what are we
Speaker 2: going to do? Suddenly both men started getting pelted by rocks.
Speaker 2: No noises, none of the yelling, none of the whooping
Speaker 2: anything or hearing anything, walking the leaf litter. It was
Speaker 2: just a parade of rocks for a good half a minute.
Speaker 2: They retreated some distance and got down on the ground,
Speaker 2: covered their heads. If I had been him, sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm not armchair quarterback, and I'm just saying I would
Speaker 2: have kept on going. I wouldn't have stopped and got
Speaker 2: on the ground. But I get it. At heat of
Speaker 2: the moment, it stopped. The rock throwing stopped, and they
Speaker 2: started shining their lights all around in all directions. It's paranoid,
Speaker 2: complete silence, total silence. But as Stephen was moving his flashlight,
Speaker 2: he caught movement and he stopped his flashlight. He said
Speaker 2: he was literally speechless for a minute. He couldn't even
Speaker 2: articulate to Randy what he had sold. I'm going to
Speaker 2: it's best just to tell you his words. I will
Speaker 2: read from the direct interview here, Stephen, I saw something
Speaker 2: into this day. I can't say what it was. It
Speaker 2: was the biggest animal I've ever seen around here, and
Speaker 2: I was more scared than I'd ever been that night
Speaker 2: or in my whole life. It was moving from my
Speaker 2: right to my left, about twenty five yards away or so,
Speaker 2: and it moved like a ghost in them woods, like
Speaker 2: it was gliding on two feet. And he looked at
Speaker 2: me and he said, how could something that big could
Speaker 2: move so effortlessly and quietly is beyond me? And he
Speaker 2: said the thing that of it moving just like a ghost.
Speaker 2: It was so quick, so stealthy, so quiet. Said that
Speaker 2: creepd him out more than anything, and started making the
Speaker 2: panic want to set back in, except this time the
Speaker 2: panic was that he was actually going to get hurt
Speaker 2: by some kind of creature, as opposed to being pranked
Speaker 2: by ran in some guys. So that stopped. Nothing else happened,
Speaker 2: no more noises, no more anything. But they both reported
Speaker 2: to me It said that a bad smell lingered in
Speaker 2: the area for just a few minutes, and then it
Speaker 2: was gone, and they were in silence, and then finally
Speaker 2: Randy broke the silence and he said I apologized to
Speaker 2: you for bringing you out here. He said, I never
Speaker 2: thought something like this would happen, So I thought we
Speaker 2: would hear some things and that's it. Stephen asked Rand.
Speaker 2: He said, did you see that huge thing? And Randy
Speaker 2: said no, he didn't, and Stephen asked him that time
Speaker 2: he said, can we please just get out of here?
Speaker 2: They left, got to their vehicle post haste. Like his neighbor.
Speaker 2: To this day, Randy and certainly Stephen as well, never
Speaker 2: returned to that area again. So I talked to Stephen
Speaker 2: at one on one and I asked him, I said,
Speaker 2: why did you just immediately declare that this type of
Speaker 2: phenomenon was just completely impossible? And he said a quote
Speaker 2: I was told that it was not real and it
Speaker 2: just didn't make sense to me. And I asked him,
Speaker 2: I said, who told you that that wasn't real? He said,
Speaker 2: just people in general. Then I asked him, I said,
Speaker 2: why did you feel so comfortable making fun in mocking people?
Speaker 2: He said, I don't know, but I'll never do it again.
Speaker 2: Skepticism we need mockery, and arrogance and meanness we don't
Speaker 2: need now. I had to privilege this past weekend of
Speaker 2: being part of groups that investigated and explored an area
Speaker 2: that has become known as a hotspot in terms of cryptid,
Speaker 2: bigfoot sasquatch, nobby whatever you want to call the phenomena, sightings,
Speaker 2: evidence found, vocalizations reported in that type of thing. Now,
Speaker 2: this area that I'm speaking of was under observation this
Speaker 2: weekend for a little more than forty hours. That's a
Speaker 2: remarkable time period to have an area under observation. So
Speaker 2: Deny and I almost share with you our experiences, in our findings.
Speaker 2: It is my intent to present these things to you.
Speaker 2: I assure you they are one hundred percent truthful. There's
Speaker 2: no embellishment, there's no dramatization. You interpret these things as
Speaker 2: you see fit, decide for yourself, do some critical thinking
Speaker 2: and analysis, draw your own conclusions. Friday nights, some guys
Speaker 2: from Dirty South Squatching came in top notch investigators and
Speaker 2: set up a listening post and observation posts and high
Speaker 2: end equipment. Sunday morning, I had the privilege of meeting
Speaker 2: with investigator Tim Dials out of the Big Mountains of
Speaker 2: North Carolina, and investigator and author George Lunsford, also from
Speaker 2: up in the Big Mountains. We call them the big
Speaker 2: mountains here in the foothills. These guys are members of
Speaker 2: NCI North Carolina Investigates, and I am privileged to report
Speaker 2: that I am a part of that group as well.
Speaker 2: We stepped out in the wilderness that morning about nine
Speaker 2: thirty am. We had a chance to meet up with
Speaker 2: the Dirty South Squatching guys, and I and Tim am
Speaker 2: also members of that group. Our destination after we exchange
Speaker 2: some much information with the two Dirty South Squatching investigators.
Speaker 2: Our destination was the first of three three deer kill
Speaker 2: sites along the way. We discovered a possible footprint in
Speaker 2: the middle of a sandbar in the creek. We'll call
Speaker 2: that one undetermined but possible. We discovered numerous tree breaks.
Speaker 2: We discovered evidue of ambush sites. An ambushed site can
Speaker 2: be set up by funneling game into a kill zone
Speaker 2: into a funnel. Mankind has used that hunting method for
Speaker 2: a long time, but there's evidence that cryptids do it
Speaker 2: as well. We discovered structures, that is, trees and sticks
Speaker 2: and things position in such a way that it just
Speaker 2: appears to be highly unlikely that it was just happens.
Speaker 2: Since that's the subject for a whole other episode. Something
Speaker 2: you can study up on your own book. We reached
Speaker 2: the first kill site. I had already seen this kill.
Speaker 2: Both Tim Dial's and George Lunsford had not, and I
Speaker 2: wanted them to see it. The ribs on this deer
Speaker 2: were obviously fractured, severely fractured, multiple ribs, not and all
Speaker 2: on by animals at the time of death, but fractured.
Speaker 2: The neck appeared to be twisted. It didn't appear to
Speaker 2: be twisted, it was twisted. It was in an unnatural position,
Speaker 2: and it appeared as though the deer had been taken
Speaker 2: down with such force that the head was twisted up
Speaker 2: and backwards. But even more alarmingly, one of the back
Speaker 2: legs was snapped. One theory is, and what the evidence
Speaker 2: suggested is that was the means of incapacitation. So we
Speaker 2: duly noted those things, the tree breaks, the ambush sites, structures,
Speaker 2: and most definitely this deer kill. We left out. En
Speaker 2: route to kill site or kill area number two. We
Speaker 2: crossed into a small muky area where a small creek
Speaker 2: and a medium creek converge. And in this mucky area
Speaker 2: we found several footprints, but one footprint in particular was pristine.
Speaker 2: After some analysis and extrapolation, it would appear that the
Speaker 2: individual that made this footprint would weigh around five hundred,
Speaker 2: five hundred and fifty pounds. And that's based on how
Speaker 2: deep my footprint was impressed beside of it versus how
Speaker 2: deep it was now. In kill area number two, these
Speaker 2: were older kills, multiple kills. Very little is left of
Speaker 2: those kills, not much for George and Tim to be
Speaker 2: able to see and gain a whole lot from. But
Speaker 2: I could just give them my description because I had
Speaker 2: seen several of the kills fresh back last year. And
Speaker 2: then with would kill site number three, we founded the deer.
Speaker 2: Only half of it was accounted for. The back part
Speaker 2: of the spine and the pelvis was there, one leg
Speaker 2: was there, the front part of the spine in the head,
Speaker 2: and the other legs were completely missing. Then something was
Speaker 2: noticed up in a small holly tree about seven and
Speaker 2: a half feet up, and it was the front spine area,
Speaker 2: the riar barrier or what was left of the rib
Speaker 2: and the top part of the cervical vertebrae to include
Speaker 2: part of the skull still being attached to the spinal column.
Speaker 2: Just a small area of the skull had been crushed
Speaker 2: or ripped away. We know that it was violently taken.
Speaker 2: Apart from that carcass, stay tuned for more sasquatch out
Speaker 2: to see. We'll be right back after these messages. Then
Speaker 2: we found a jobb one. We presumed this deer hanging
Speaker 2: in a small tree, very deliberately placed there in my opinion,
Speaker 2: as another sign that something was marking this area. We
Speaker 2: found two tree breaks right there at the kill site
Speaker 2: areas that it appeared something large had possibly bedded down.
Speaker 2: We spent a good bit of time there investigating it,
Speaker 2: looking at everything, trying to put together the theories. But there's
Speaker 2: no doubt there had to crush broken, bibbs was torn apart,
Speaker 2: the head was gone, the score was destroyed at some point,
Speaker 2: at minimum, it was violently detached from the spinal column,
Speaker 2: so much so that it left part of the skull
Speaker 2: cap attached to the spine. And having noted all of that,
Speaker 2: that part of the investigation was over and we headed
Speaker 2: back up out of the woods. Now that evening, about
Speaker 2: five o'clock, some new folks came in and I joined
Speaker 2: them for an overnight camp out, along was six other
Speaker 2: people this past Saturday. The afternoon of this past Saturday,
Speaker 2: we descended into Creek Bottom to set up camp. Our
Speaker 2: intent was to camp most of all later in the
Speaker 2: night to execute a night hike see what we could
Speaker 2: see here, what we could hear. We got camp set up, fellowship.
Speaker 2: We didn't make any attempt to be stealthy or quiet,
Speaker 2: because we have found in the past that doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to make a big difference. Now the sun set, it
Speaker 2: was not quite the appointed time yet for us to
Speaker 2: set out on the night hike, and we were still
Speaker 2: talking and carrying. All but two of us heard the
Speaker 2: distinct sound of something walking up on the hill a
Speaker 2: couple hundred feet or so from us, on the other
Speaker 2: side of an area thickly wooded by mountainlair. And it
Speaker 2: was distinct heavy footed, and it didn't seem to be
Speaker 2: in any way trying to conceal itself in terms of
Speaker 2: the noise that it was making. And we listened for
Speaker 2: a minute and it would stop just for a brief
Speaker 2: second and start again. There was no doubt in my
Speaker 2: mind that it was something walking on two feet, so
Speaker 2: we got the rest of the group's attention. We went
Speaker 2: completely quiet. When we did so, it stopped. We didn't
Speaker 2: hear that anymore that point in time, so we tried
Speaker 2: to do a few things to try to listen a response,
Speaker 2: and we got no response. The appointed time came for
Speaker 2: us to leave for a night hike. Our route we
Speaker 2: planned was too We go up the western end of
Speaker 2: a ridge that gradually ascended to the top of a
Speaker 2: long ridge. To follow that ridge, then turn south and
Speaker 2: go a couple hundred yards to an area where there
Speaker 2: was a previous sighting, and we did so. We left
Speaker 2: out of camp, and once we got near the top
Speaker 2: of the ridge, just as we was completing our ascent,
Speaker 2: we heard the first of some of the strange sounds,
Speaker 2: the vocalizations. We would stop along the way and just listen.
Speaker 2: Now that's really all that happened for the first half
Speaker 2: of the hike. We reached the far eastern end of
Speaker 2: the ridge and as plan, we turned south and went
Speaker 2: a couple hundred yards. As we did so, we were
Speaker 2: immediately hit by the quintessential smell. I've talked about it before,
Speaker 2: You've heard it spoken of on other shows and documentaries,
Speaker 2: but there was no mistake, and it was a stronger
Speaker 2: level of odor, indicating to me that something was closer
Speaker 2: to us as opposed to be in further away from us.
Speaker 2: As we reached the terminus of the direction we were
Speaker 2: traveling towards the south, we could hear some walking in
Speaker 2: the woods. The dog that one of the people had
Speaker 2: at one point in time choked its tail and began
Speaker 2: to whimper. The smell was strong at that point, and
Speaker 2: finally one of the members of the group that had
Speaker 2: a thermal night sight picked up in the brush the clear,
Speaker 2: unmistakable thermal signature of something large. It was far enough
Speaker 2: into the thickly wooded area. This area had been previously
Speaker 2: clear cut about ten years ago, so it was thick
Speaker 2: with scrub brush. It was thick with taller saplings. Picked
Speaker 2: it up on and off for a few minutes, but
Speaker 2: the smell never left us, and after a short period
Speaker 2: of time we decided that we were going to turn
Speaker 2: back and retrace our steps and head back to camp.
Speaker 2: And when we did turn around that the smell had
Speaker 2: not dissipated or and as we continued our hike, just
Speaker 2: as we were making our turn to start traveling due west,
Speaker 2: something was thrown and disturbed the foliage directly behind us.
Speaker 2: We didn't ascertain what was thrown, it was something fairly large,
Speaker 2: so it created quite a stir in the foliage. But
Speaker 2: we noticed that off to our left, which would have
Speaker 2: been to the south, something was paralleling us. At the time,
Speaker 2: I estimated a couple hundred feet away at most. We
Speaker 2: would stop. My team member with the thermal scope was
Speaker 2: very voraciously scanned the area with the thermal scope and
Speaker 2: he picked up something. This something that was paralleling us.
Speaker 2: It did so for fifteen minutes, and we picked it
Speaker 2: up on thermal almost the whole time, to the extent
Speaker 2: that everybody in the group had their turn at being
Speaker 2: able to look to the thermal site and see whatever
Speaker 2: this was off in the disk. It was obvious that
Speaker 2: it was bulky, very tall, and we could compare that
Speaker 2: by looking at other members of the group in the
Speaker 2: distance with the thermal compare what we saw there with
Speaker 2: what we saw into the woods, and it was obvious
Speaker 2: that it was large and bulky. The smell was still
Speaker 2: very much strong. When we would stop. It seemed to
Speaker 2: stop walking at least most of the time, and we continue.
Speaker 2: We would make some headway. We would simply proceed forward
Speaker 2: to see what it would do, and it simply kept
Speaker 2: the same distance from us. But stayed up with us,
Speaker 2: and then there was one point when members of the
Speaker 2: group saw strange, unexplained lights. I got two of these
Speaker 2: strange lights, actually different color lights in the trees off
Speaker 2: in the distance. It followed us for a while, and finally,
Speaker 2: as we were getting ready to descend off the western
Speaker 2: end of that ridge, it stopped. Soon the smell dissipated
Speaker 2: and we made our way back to camp. When we
Speaker 2: got back to camp, there was nothing else remarkable that
Speaker 2: happened from then until the time that most of us
Speaker 2: started to bed down. However, after a couple hours after
Speaker 2: betting down, we begin to hear in the near distance
Speaker 2: some vocalizations, some howls, some hoops, tree knock, something hitting
Speaker 2: on a tree one time, and occasionally the faint whif.
Speaker 2: I could even smell at land in my tent, that
Speaker 2: faint but foul, strong odor that I've smelled and others
Speaker 2: have smelled so many times in this area. In about
Speaker 2: three a m. That morning, Sunday morning, again something began
Speaker 2: to blurk outside of our camp, clearly the same thing,
Speaker 2: heavy steps walking on two feet, and it was far
Speaker 2: enough up the hill where we couldn't detect it visually.
Speaker 2: At all, but we could definitely hear it and smell it.
Speaker 2: Nothing else happened the remainder of the night. We woke
Speaker 2: up the next morning and there was good news. Everybody
Speaker 2: was alive and accounted for. So I'm handing all this
Speaker 2: to you. You make of it what you will, but
Speaker 2: these things definitely happen. These are all physical things that
Speaker 2: we saw, that we heard, that we smelled. Something began
Speaker 2: to lurk outside of our camp. Clearly the same thing.
Speaker 2: Heavy steps walking on two feet. And oh yeah, by
Speaker 2: the way, I mentioned the pristine footprint on Leave You Hanging.
Speaker 2: We cast it thirteen inches long, impressed in the dirt,
Speaker 2: almost three inches to whatever made this print, after comparing
Speaker 2: it to my impressions to how deeply my foot impressed
Speaker 2: the earth. Whatever made this was over five hundred pounds.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, guys. I'll see you next week.
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't, I can't. I can