WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.120 Hey guys, it's Jack. 2 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:03.240 I just wanted to talk to you today about a 3 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:05.919 way that you can help support the podcast if you're 4 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:09.519 not already to support the channel is to become a 5 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.000 Patreon member. So we have Patreon memberships that start at 6 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:15.919 just five dollars a month, and when you sign up, 7 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:19.160 you get access to all of our episodes add free. 8 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:21.679 That's the big bonus for that. 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We're really glad to have him back, and 21 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:19.000 we were talking earlier about, you know, some of his 22 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:22.439 recent videos. So he has a YouTube channel and we 23 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:26.840 should mention. Nate is a retired Green Beret. His YouTube 24 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.200 channel is Valhalla VFT. Hope you guys will go and 25 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.439 check it out. There's some really good stuff on there, 26 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:35.439 and there's a link down in the description. 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Welcome to the show 61 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:12.680 for a second time. 62 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:14.400 Happy to be here. 63 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:15.919 I'm a big fan of your channel. 64 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.800 Also, I am a little disappointed that you're not wearing 65 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:21.960 your beaters. You and Jay both on your channels, are 66 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:22.960 always wearing your beaters. 67 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:24.840 No, I was going to, but I was like, I'm 68 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:25.639 going to be on their show. 69 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.080 You're not going to show the gun yeah, I find. 70 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:29.199 It's a little bit more professional. 71 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.639 If I'm ever going to be on one of your podcasts, 72 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:35.280 I'm definitely wearing the beaters and the camo hat. If 73 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:39.439 it's with Jay, I'm just messing with you, man. 74 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:40.039 I love it. 75 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:44.599 So I missed the first interview, but I mean, you 76 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:48.560 are something of a Special Forces thought fluencer now whether 77 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.199 you like that, whether you like that title or not, 78 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.280 you are found yourself in that position. But I bet 79 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:57.639 you didn't like initially set out. I mean valhal of 80 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:00.759 firearms training. You must have started somewhere else and I'd 81 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:02.960 be interested to ask you how you how you came 82 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.960 from transitioning out of the military to that to being 83 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:07.719 a YouTube guy. 84 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:10.800 That's well, that's great. So I mean I was on 85 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:12.680 I think I think over a year ago now, and 86 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:14.759 again I think it was on Your Guys show initially 87 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.439 when I was maybe two months retired, so I had 88 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:21.920 just retired, just started the social media channels. I had 89 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:24.720 maybe like four or five thousand subscribers I think on YouTube. 90 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:26.920 So that interview is going to be very different in 91 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:29.319 this one. And that was like, you know, we told stories, 92 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.199 we talked about my career, crazy war missions, which was awesome, 93 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:36.360 great episode. Fast forward like maybe twelve, like thirteen months later, 94 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.560 and you know, almost one hundred thousand subscribers within you know, 95 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:45.439 a year. Amazing, and I've you know again, Yeah, I 96 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:49.000 guess I am a influencer. Now. I think it's so dumb, 97 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.680 and I think I might have told Dave that when 98 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:55.680 I first did the episode. I begrudgingly started these social 99 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.000 media channels because of my firearm's business. So my in 100 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:02.319 person business is arms instructive business, run all sorts of 101 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.279 different classes, teach law enforcement departments. So we got a 102 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:07.319 good business going out here in the Pacific Northwest. But 103 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.800 everybody was like, dude, with your resume, you have to 104 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:14.079 market yourself. If you're going to do this field firearms training, 105 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.040 you're a retired Green Beret, valor awards like all the 106 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.800 shiny shit, you have to market yourself on social media. 107 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:24.480 So I begrudgingly started, you know, the YouTube channel and 108 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:28.800 just doing firearms content, just doing that. And I did 109 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.360 one video maybe in the first month that was the 110 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.560 harsh reality of becoming a Green Beret, and it was 111 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.800 maybe eight minutes and I just told, like, you know, 112 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:39.199 all the shitty backstory to it, like going through the 113 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:42.000 Q course, you're probably going to get divorced, right, Like 114 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:44.399 you're not going to see your fucking kids for six 115 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:46.879 months out of the year. And that video, when I 116 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.959 had a brand new channel, got five six, seven hundred 117 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:54.439 thousand views, and that sort of like started that trajectory 118 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:59.160 on the YouTube channel where I switched from firearms, trauma medicine, 119 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.800 do something here and there. But like two I started 120 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:06.399 doing Special Forces related content, talking about you know, things 121 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:10.839 in group things and just backstory stuff or like realities 122 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.480 of what have s F s F life is like, 123 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:15.959 and that all that content blew up, and so I 124 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:19.879 again was just like, I guess this is what I'm 125 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:21.879 doing now. Yeah, fast forward a year later with the 126 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.959 success of the channel, now it's like, yeah, this is 127 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:27.120 what I'm doing now. So yeah, that's that's how I 128 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:27.759 got here. 129 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:29.240 Nate real quick. 130 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:34.199 For anybody who has not seen Nate's episode is episode 131 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:35.439 two and twenty seven. 132 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:37.560 Check it out. Is fantastic. 133 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:39.959 You'll see him when you'll see him when he was 134 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:43.399 a baby, a little baby YouTuber fresh from the egg, 135 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:44.600 hanging out in the nest. 136 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.879 Yeah yeah, well, you know that's that's a really good episode. 137 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:51.560 So for for my fans, they know I don't talk 138 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:53.480 about war stories. I don't talk about any of that 139 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.240 type of stuff. So if you want all the best 140 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:59.360 war stories and the valor Oort stories like they're encompassed 141 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:04.279 on your g It's episode, nobody else has them, because 142 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:07.000 again it's just not like it's not for me, but 143 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.000 I do. I like to talk about it with guys 144 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.319 like you, guys like us that have done the job. 145 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.920 I'm not like gonna make videos by myself talking about 146 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:17.959 my war stories, like it just doesn't feel right. 147 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.120 And also, like how many different pods do you want 148 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:21.879 to go on and tell the same stories over and 149 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:25.639 over again, right, and every interview, every interviewer is going 150 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:29.000 to approach it differently and maybe pull different things out. 151 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:32.319 But like I've been on I think one interview where 152 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.360 I told my story and that's enough for me. I'll 153 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:37.000 go on pods to talk about other shit, but I 154 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:37.839 don't talk about me. 155 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:40.800 Yeah yeah, And I don't think I've told any of 156 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:46.240 those stories since, because again they're awesome stories, like awesome stories, 157 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.279 but you're right, you know, like I lived them and 158 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.160 like talking about them. One I also don't and I 159 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:53.839 don't want to knock like the guys that go on 160 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:56.040 the podcast tour and that's all they do is tell 161 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:57.920 their war stories. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. 162 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:00.839 But for me, it's like, in my worstes, my teammates 163 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.279 got blown up and fucked up, and you know, I've 164 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:06.800 got teammates that have killed themselves since, so talking about 165 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.160 that doesn't one doesn't feel great for me. And also 166 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:12.759 like I'm always so hyper concerned that I'm gonna get 167 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:16.399 something wrong and not respect my teammates for their families 168 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.439 that it's just like I would rather just not really talk. 169 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:22.720 Hey, that's gonna be a little dark and a little 170 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.720 bit of insider humor. But I'm assuming you remember their names. 171 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.039 I wish I wasn't. I wish I wasn't drinking right there. 172 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:36.600 I do not only do I remember all my teammates' names, 173 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.000 I also remember like all of the guys in first 174 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.200 Special Forces Group in the last ten years that have 175 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:45.600 been killed in their names. So yeah, well, I'm sure 176 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:46.840 we'll get into that subject. 177 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.960 But before before we dive into the vetpro cinematic universe, 178 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:53.279 I did want to ask you about. 179 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.639 I love that that's what it is at this point. 180 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:59.080 Yeah, yeah, one of one of the more recent videos 181 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.159 you made that really it resonated with me and I 182 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.519 think probably other people too. You made a video about 183 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:09.600 why Special Operations guys are not necessarily role models, and 184 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.279 I thought you laid it out very good about you know, like, yeah, 185 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:13.360 these guys are amazing. 186 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:15.159 They can do incredible things, and they're. 187 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.120 Really nice guys, but they're also human beings and there's 188 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:19.840 a dark side to the job that they do, and 189 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:21.279 there's a reason why they ended up. 190 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:21.960 Doing that job. 191 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:26.480 Yeah. Again, I was telling like I was talking to 192 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.000 you guys a little bit before we started, but I mean, 193 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:31.159 I'll just bring it back up since for the viewers. 194 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.399 But the reason why I initially made that video and 195 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:36.120 I didn't think it was going to be as popular 196 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:37.679 as it did. I figured I just wanted to sort 197 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:39.159 of talk about it. I mean, it's like a half 198 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.080 a million views in two weeks, I think. But and 199 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.279 like I said, it's definitely resonating with people based off 200 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:48.480 of the feedback. Is when we started to do the 201 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:53.360 exposure of Tim Kennedy the initial videos, the backlash from 202 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:57.840 the civilians that are fans of him was insane. They 203 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:02.120 lost their minds at the idea how could we possibly 204 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:05.519 attack this war hero and all this stuff. So like 205 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.639 this cognitive dissonance of like finding out that one of 206 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:14.039 these famous soft influencers potentially isn't who he claims to be. 207 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:19.039 I think it just shocked so many people because you know, 208 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:22.240 I mean that old guard of the soft influencers, nothing 209 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.919 against them, your Jocko's or Tim Kendee's, all these guys 210 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:26.840 have been sort of telling these stories and doing this 211 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:28.720 type of thing and building up this sort of like 212 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:33.000 mystique of like the soft operator being this god that's 213 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:36.080 like untouchable and can do no wrong. And for those 214 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:38.200 of us that done it of known like we're just 215 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:42.639 regular dudes that did you know, a really high functioning job. 216 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.240 We're not any better necessarily morally than anybody else. And 217 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:49.000 so that's why I initially wanted to make the video, 218 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.159 is to explain to everyone like here's the backside, here's 219 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.440 the truth, here's like the psychology of how a Green 220 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:59.799 Beret is literally selected for at SFAs, Like I'm not 221 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:02.960 making those things up, Like there was a back channel 222 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:06.240 of actual I think was SFAs Cadre talking about one 223 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.639 of the sites, was like, yeah, that's exactly what we're 224 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.720 looking for, right, We're looking for high functioning young men 225 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:15.240 that have been through a lot of but not necessarily 226 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:18.279 trauma that built up resistance. They have the ability to 227 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.840 cope with insane things still get the job done, still 228 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.960 come back, reintegrate to the society. It's a very specific 229 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:28.240 type of person. But as we've just seen with the 230 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:32.000 things like Matt levels of Livensburger, right, that also can 231 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:36.320 lead to some insane psychosis. And when you're in that 232 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:40.120 realm of sociopathic behavior and that scales too far off 233 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:43.240 the spectrum, we can see what happens there too. So 234 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:45.480 that was the intent of the video. It wasn't necessarily 235 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.320 like the I didn't want to make people feel like 236 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.360 uncomfortable anything. I wanted people to understand, like how these 237 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:53.480 brains actually work. 238 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:54.639 I have. 239 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.399 You know, I'm as much a violator as any civilian 240 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:02.200 fanboy in a sense, because those old school guys are 241 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:04.120 my heroes that I will. 242 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.720 Yeah, my dad's a Vietnam era GB. All his friends 243 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:10.360 are mac be saug legends, right, Like I grew up 244 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:12.600 with my dad's best friend, Riley Lott, who was just 245 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:14.799 inducted in Special Forces Hall of Fame because he was 246 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:17.639 Mike Force's n CIC for six years. Like, that's the 247 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:20.360 guys I was raised around, and I do it myself 248 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.559 to them. Yeah, what I mean, I understand it. 249 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:27.159 Right, there's there's still my heroes, you know, but I 250 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.360 do know them well enough now that I understand their 251 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.519 human beings. And there are even cases where I've heard 252 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.799 stories about people who I really admired and you find 253 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:40.639 out they did some things that were not just accidents. 254 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:43.279 But it's like, what that's like a character failing. You 255 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:45.879 know that I thought you were better than that. But 256 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.919 you know, also, they're human beings. I put them up 257 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.519 on the pedestal, they didn't put themselves up there, And 258 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:55.399 then I find out that they're a human being, And 259 00:12:55.440 --> 00:13:00.240 maybe I shouldn't be so disappointed because I'm a human being, right, Yeah. 260 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.320 And we are. We are human beings, right, and we're 261 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.080 but we're human beings that are called to do a 262 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:06.799 horrific job. At the same time. Man, it's not just 263 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:08.799 it's not just me as a soft operator you talk 264 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.080 about any better. Let's talk about the Marines in Fallujah, right, 265 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:16.919 called on to just do absolute horrific and not necessarily 266 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:19.799 that they're wrong or they're we're in the wrong as Americans. 267 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:21.919 I'm not saying that, but I mean going through a 268 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.879 city and slaughtering, you know, one hundred thousand people that 269 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.360 is not necessarily the best thing ever, too, was kind 270 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:31.120 of my point, you know. 271 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:34.600 Yeah, well, and the brushes with death, the you know, 272 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:38.440 for the people that you lose, and you know, it's 273 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:42.720 like you say, like we're all normal people, but also 274 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:47.679 we also have these sociopathic traits that allow us to 275 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:51.000 compartmentalize and do things that maybe the average guy on 276 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:55.519 the street, you know, won't. And then on top of that, 277 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.759 you pile on years of trauma that we shove aside 278 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:02.279 so we can we ignore completely so we can keep 279 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:02.879 doing the job. 280 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.840 And then one day it's just all bubbles back up. 281 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:08.559 And now you know, now we're talking about blast injuries 282 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:11.679 and CTEs and how they play with post traumatic stress, 283 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:12.279 like it's. 284 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:15.600 Just it's this stew of just stuff. 285 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.120 They've my my therapist, because yeah, I've been through a 286 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:21.200 lot of behavioral health Like I'm honest about that, right, 287 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:22.159 and it's been great for me. 288 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:22.600 Right. 289 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.120 I don't say that to you know, sound soppy or 290 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.559 PTSD or O me like I did it for myself, 291 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:32.440 my family, my wife, because I had temper issues whatever. 292 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.879 But my therapist, really good therapist, explained it as think 293 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:38.600 about your brain as a filing cabinet. What you've been 294 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:42.360 doing is stuffing that trauma, just stuffing papers into the 295 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.600 bottom of that spiling cabinet, and then just shoving papers 296 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:47.840 on top of it, over and over and over again. 297 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.399 And at some point you think about that filing cabinet 298 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.639 is just an absolute shit show, and what you have 299 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.960 to do is take it all out, recompartmentalize it, put 300 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:00.919 it all back in order so it's exactly what it is, right. 301 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.919 And like you said, now you add in CTE and 302 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.559 blast injuries on top of it, and I think, you know, 303 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:11.240 I'm sure we'll talk about the whole tesla cyberchrucking this episode, 304 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:13.960 but I think that was my theory right out the 305 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.000 gate man. It was like, this is a nineteen year old, 306 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:19.600 a nineteen year SF dude, bronze star medals with valor 307 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:23.159 tons of combat deployments, probably been fucked up. Add on 308 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:26.759 top of depression PTSD, a little bit of psychosis, and 309 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:28.960 oh here we are, and. 310 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:32.799 The problem is, you know, the problem is it also 311 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:38.960 insidious that a person like it's it normally takes somebody 312 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:42.840 outside of us to go you might have a problem 313 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:43.440 right now. 314 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:44.879 That's my wife for me. 315 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:48.279 Yeah, Like I remember we had we had Mike Edwards 316 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.960 on the show like maybe two or three years ago. 317 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.759 The first time he was on, and you know RD 318 00:15:55.919 --> 00:16:00.759 Guy or RC and talking about somebody out of their 319 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.080 car because they you know, cut them off and you 320 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.159 know they were like trying to you know, break check 321 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.480 them or whatever. And he's like, and you know, my 322 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.159 wife is like, pulling somebody. 323 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:12.600 Out of their car is not normal behavior. 324 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.080 And at that moment, I go, oh shit, it's not 325 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.159 because I thought that was. 326 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.159 That was that was my dad growing up. Yeah, Vietnam 327 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:27.240 era Greenbray, obvious PTSD, completely untreated because none of those 328 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:30.000 got to get treated in multiple times. Seven eight years old, Yeah, 329 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:32.080 same thing, pulling people out of car, beating the shit 330 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:33.759 out of people in middle of the street, getting back 331 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:35.720 in the car and driving off like that was normal 332 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.679 to me. And tell Tell I did the job, and 333 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.679 I went through the things I did, and I started 334 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:43.960 to understand like, oh, that wasn't normal, and it's not 335 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:47.279 normal for me to be doing stuff like that either. 336 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:50.679 And you know, It's interesting because your channel kind of 337 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:54.039 started at the for what you do, like reviewing the 338 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.960 life and the lifestyle of special operations. 339 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.519 You started it at the perfect time because it used to. 340 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.159 Just be seals we talked about, Yeah, you know that 341 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:09.599 because they were the most public facing I think, And 342 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:13.920 now we're seeing, you know, we have plenty to talk about, 343 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.160 you know, whether it's with Tim Kennedy or. 344 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:17.319 People like him. 345 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:19.160 You have too much to talk about in. 346 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:23.160 And then we have Matt and Matt's situation. As soon 347 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.400 as I started, I didn't dive into it for the 348 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.359 first couple of days because I I was like, there's 349 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:29.440 so much like smoke out there. I don't I didn't 350 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.039 want to get involved. Nobody knows anything and everybody's suspected. 351 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:34.640 But then as soon as I read sort of what 352 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:37.319 was going on, it reminded me of an article that 353 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:43.000 Jack had written five years ago about Michael Frodi, who 354 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:47.440 was an SMU guy, a SAP guy who started having 355 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.960 delusions and you know it ended up taking his own life. 356 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.400 Yeah, And the problem is is that. 357 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:58.079 You only know you're saying if you're asking yourself if 358 00:17:58.119 --> 00:17:59.880 you're crazy, right, Like, when. 359 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.839 You know everything is fact there's no breaks. 360 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.440 Yep. Well, and we're the topic. We're the type of 361 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.559 guys that performed at such a high level that we 362 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.319 we always think we're right, you know, not that we are, 363 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.359 but like we always think we're sort of the most 364 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:17.480 intelligent guy in the room. Like I could be guilty 365 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.039 of it too, And I'm not that smart. I'm really not. 366 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:21.119 I'll get around like really smart people and then like 367 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:23.720 get drawn like my Air Force PJ buddies, and then 368 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:26.279 like get drawn back real quick and yeah, you're you're 369 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:26.880 not smart. 370 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:30.000 I want to express a political opinion that i'm at 371 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:32.880 and then somebody brace it down like they have a 372 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:33.440 background in. 373 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:35.680 Economics and like, well you're wrong, and I'm like shit. 374 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:38.440 Yeah, yeah, That's why I stay out of the political arena. 375 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:40.480 I'm just like I'm gonna say some shit that like 376 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.279 somebody is gonna do that exact thing, Like I'm gonna 377 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.880 like an idiot. I'm going to talk about strictly things. 378 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:48.599 I'm a subject matter expert in yeah, and that's what 379 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.720 I do. And also I'm the same way with my 380 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.200 content where I do do current events content if it's 381 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:56.960 related to s stuff, but I don't I'm always twenty 382 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.000 four to forty eight hours late of everybody else's content. 383 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.480 If you go back and watch my content, I'm always 384 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:05.960 sort of the last one to weigh in, and I 385 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.079 do it for that reason. I'm like I it's like 386 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:12.160 always the first story is always almost wrong, and it's 387 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.079 like almost always. Like the Mic Glover situation, I covered that. 388 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:17.359 I was the last person into that, and I was 389 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:20.000 the first one to say, Hey, let's pump the brakes right. 390 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:23.000 Maybe this isn't what it looks like. But had I 391 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.640 just been the same way as everybody that was like, oh, 392 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.559 here's a plury support, this guy's a domestic abuser, let 393 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:30.680 me do a video, right, I would have got egg 394 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:32.559 on my face too. So that's that's what I try 395 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.039 to do, is just I'm always trying to take a 396 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.839 tactical pause and sort of let things unfold a little 397 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.240 bit before I put myself out there. For self preservation 398 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:42.440 is a lot of it. 399 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:45.440 Speaking of that, there's like to sort of like preface 400 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.319 a bit of this conversation. There's a question that I 401 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:51.799 like to throw to you, Nate and Dave, also based 402 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:54.000 on you know, I with all this stuff going on 403 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:56.720 in the in the vet bros. Cinematic universe right now. 404 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.039 You know, we've all been getting a lot of text 405 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:02.799 messages from friends like what's going on. Yeah, And I 406 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:05.519 had a phone call with an old ranger buddy guy 407 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:07.880 I go way back with, you know, twenty some odd 408 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.759 years ago and at this point, and you know, he 409 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:13.480 was asking me about some of this stuff, and I 410 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:16.000 was like, we listen, all that's bullshit. Don't worry about it. 411 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:18.440 It's not true, you know. And he was a little 412 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:20.279 bit relieved, you know, I think to hear that. But 413 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:22.720 he was also like, Jack, do you ever feel like 414 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.240 responsible to use your platform to like correct the record 415 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:27.599 and tell people what. 416 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:28.720 You know that it's bullshit? 417 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:30.720 And I was like, oh damn, dude, you had to 418 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:33.160 put me on the spot like that, because I also 419 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.200 I'm very allergic to the melodrama. I like, I think 420 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:38.039 it's really silly. And I've been out of the Army 421 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:40.480 fifteen years at this point. It's like, that's like, right, 422 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:43.000 that chapter of my life is kind of closed. 423 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:45.160 Right, Yeah, I'm twelve months out, So for me, it's 424 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.920 like I'm like all my buddies are still teams, right, Yeah, 425 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:50.440 I'm kind of like still in it. 426 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:51.920 Oh, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. 427 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:54.319 But so the question I want to ask to you 428 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:56.880 two guys and we to discuss is like, do you 429 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:03.000 think that our responsibility special Ops veterans is to stay 430 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:05.880 out of the mellow drama, not get involved, stay above it, 431 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:09.480 or is there a responsibility at a certain point on 432 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:12.319 certain topics to come forward and say. 433 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:13.559 I know this isn't true. 434 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.519 No, that's I mean, that's a great question. And I 435 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:18.759 don't know, Dave, if you want me to go. 436 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:19.960 First, yeah, go ahead, brother. 437 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:26.160 So here's the deal. It's one of those things of like, 438 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:29.079 I didn't get involved in any of this until the 439 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:31.839 Mic Glover drama, and then it looked bad to me, 440 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:34.119 and he was at Green Beret and I didn't agree 441 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:37.039 with the way it looked, and I wanted to help 442 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:38.839 a dude that I thought was a good dude, and 443 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.039 I didn't believe the story. Turns out I was right. 444 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:43.599 I've been riding about almost everything, not going to toot 445 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:46.039 my horn on all these stories, but it turns out 446 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.839 I was right. So I felt good about that. But 447 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.119 at the same time, I have used my platform mainly 448 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.920 to defend people. Right when Eric Deming came out and 449 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:58.559 did his stuff with Jocko. I did an episode following 450 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:00.920 that I didn't. I actually of you guys credit for 451 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.400 being the only ones that like questioned some of the 452 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:06.319 shit he was saying, because everybody else just was like, hey, man, 453 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.240 tell us, tell us this all this shit. So I 454 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:11.319 was the first one to sort of like, hey, let's 455 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.839 let's diagnose this. And I defended Jocko. I defend I 456 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.160 just depended Andy Stump the other day. So people are like, 457 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:20.200 you always attacking Navy seals. I'm not like I'm always 458 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:25.000 defending other veterans. But the whole Tim Kennedy situation has 459 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:29.640 flipped that on its head for me, and I think one, 460 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:33.279 he's a Green Beret. Two it was the Valor Awards. 461 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:35.839 The lying about the Valor Awards is what did it 462 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:38.400 for me. That's because I wasn't gonna get involved. Here's 463 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:42.200 the thing, you know, I haven't told anybody this in 464 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:44.799 the entire Tim Kennedy drama, but I like aaron stuff 465 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:47.359 on your guys's channel that I've never said. Right, here's 466 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:51.440 some backstory to the viewers. Okay, I was in business 467 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:55.599 negotiations with sheep Dog Response to become their Pacific Northwest 468 00:22:55.720 --> 00:23:00.000 farms instructor partner our companies together. When this shit happened, 469 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:04.400 when Tim Kennedy was exposed by the Anti Hero podcast, 470 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:07.400 everybody who said to me, you're just in this for 471 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:10.920 the money, for the four hundred dollars a YouTube video, right, No, 472 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:16.599 I gave up a massive, massive financial situation out of 473 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:21.240 integrity from a Green Beret who obviously to me had 474 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.359 been committing shit tons of stolen valor that I didn't 475 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:28.200 want to get involved with anymore. All right, So that's 476 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.319 to me, I guess, was like the breakpoint to where 477 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.799 I was like, I have I feel like a moral 478 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.440 responsibility because, like Jack said, because we have these platforms, 479 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:39.880 and none of my buddies, none of my Green Berets 480 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.559 have these platforms. If they're pissed off about Tim Kennedy 481 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:45.839 committing stolen valor, they can't them saying anything's not going 482 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:49.039 to do anything, right. But because we have these platforms, 483 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:53.960 do I have a responsibility to the regiment, to my 484 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.759 fellow Green Berets, to all the veterans who came before me, 485 00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:59.640 who earned valor awards and died in the process getting 486 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:04.880 their hearts. I decided in this case, I do have 487 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:08.720 a moral responsibility to use my platform in a way 488 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:11.799 I thought was appropriate to uphold the integrity of the 489 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.480 Special Forces regimen. So what I don't want to do 490 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.799 going forward is be the guy that's like inserting in 491 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:23.160 myself into all the fucking drama in the Vetro circle. Right, 492 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:27.200 It's easy to do. But yeah, so that's my answer. 493 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:31.119 Jack is like, this was a very like sensitive personal 494 00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:34.200 one to me and that's why I got involved. But again, 495 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.920 I did it out of integrity. Man, Like I tell people, 496 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:38.519 I'm like, you know, what had been the smart thing 497 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.720 for me to do. The smart thing for me to 498 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:44.039 do financially would be to come out and defend Tim 499 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:48.559 Kennedy and gut the anti hero podcast credibility and use 500 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.200 my platform as the integrity guy to back him, and 501 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.720 then find myself into that Tim Kennedy Vetro monetary circle. 502 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.799 But I didn't do that, right because again, to me, 503 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:04.039 you cannot lie about having valor wards and purple hearts, 504 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:06.319 because all of the people that we served with that 505 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.920 came before us, that died earning them, it's just a 506 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.799 slap in the face to them that I just I 507 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:14.119 wasn't willing to do it. And I said from the 508 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:16.519 very start, even the Anti Hero podcast. I really didn't 509 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.640 care about their episode. I didn't care about the book, 510 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.920 I didn't care about the war stories. It was the 511 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.839 trigger for me was Tim Kennedy's Facebook post that said 512 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.599 I have received valor awards for every combat deployment I 513 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:31.720 have been on. When I saw that and I knew 514 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:35.799 he didn't, That's when I said, now I'm involved in 515 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:37.920 this situation. Sorry, that's long winded. 516 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.279 But before I give my answer, why don't you go 517 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.559 ahead and do the copy track and then I'll. 518 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:46.480 Sure thank you for bearing with us. Folks. 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I like laugh and 552 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.599 think about Star Wars because Mando makes me think a 553 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:36.880 way like an SF guy would talk about if they 554 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.680 were like embedded with Mandalorians, like training them, like doing 555 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.519 fit for Mandalorence. Maybe hey, the Mando's they got some 556 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:48.119 questions for us. And also Mando Caloresian like Lando's brother 557 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:56.599 who had an excellent smelling drundle. But yeah, so to 558 00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.400 to piggyback off what you said, like I don't like 559 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.200 the drama, Like I didn't say. I watched some of 560 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.000 the stuff going on with the mic glovers and tried 561 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.960 to stay up on what the latest reporting was, But 562 00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:13.039 I don't like the VET drama. 563 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.359 I don't like vets tearing down other vets. 564 00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:21.480 I also, though, do not think that pointing out veterans 565 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:27.359 lies about their service, even if it's not about valor awards, 566 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:31.559 but pointing out their lies, I don't think that's tearing 567 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.240 down other vets. I think that's keeping vets in check 568 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.480 because if we don't do it, we who have insider 569 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.160 knowledge and know when somebody says they pack a rucksack 570 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.559 with fifty grenades, that's not a thing. 571 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.799 You know that you civilians aren't gonna know. 572 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:55.079 And so for me, it's not so much about who 573 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:56.279 did what to whom. 574 00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:56.799 Or. 575 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.440 You know, stuff that's going on in their person lives 576 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.079 or anything like that, because I want to see vets succeed, 577 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:09.359 you know, whether whether it's with a coffee company, a podcast, 578 00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:11.039 a T shirt company, I don't care. 579 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.240 You hit them like, go negative, right, And it also 580 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.559 seems very caddy, very catty, you know. 581 00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:19.920 Yeah, very caddy, and and I want to see veterans succeed, 582 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:24.039 but I also want to I want them to tell. 583 00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.319 I want people to tell the truth. 584 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.759 And for us, you know, when it comes to stuff 585 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.440 like this, for people in the Tellivision community, it comes 586 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:33.680 to people like Wayne Simmons. 587 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:35.839 You know, we're the only people who actually know. 588 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:40.240 And if we try to play the whole decorum thing 589 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.440 and go, well, I know he's full of shit, but 590 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.079 I'm not going to say anything, then what you're doing 591 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:47.279 is you were allowing these people to go out there 592 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.079 and make a bad name in our name, you know, 593 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:51.039 a bad name for. 594 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:54.200 Us to caveate off that. So I waited in on 595 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.720 the Sean Ryan episode and everybody's you're attacking Sean. I 596 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.160 didn't attack Sean. I did the episode about why I 597 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:01.559 thought that email was stupid and why I thought that 598 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:05.000 the dude was suffering from psychosis. Well, they were freaking 599 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.240 out about this being like some China New war thing. 600 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.519 So my point was and the reason why I felt 601 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.480 like I'm going to interject on this is why, like 602 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.799 you just said, because I know better. How do I 603 00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.880 know better? Because this is a special Active Duty Special 604 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:24.720 Forces eighteen zulu, I intimately know what access to information 605 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.880 eight e eight eighteen zulu on an ODA has and 606 00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:35.160 it's not Bob Lazar Element one fifteen anti gravitational propulsion systems. Right, Sorry, 607 00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.039 you know that Zach knows that random Actually. 608 00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.119 My team sergeant knew everything, so I don't really. 609 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:46.039 Know, but you know my point, like the actual access, well, 610 00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.960 oh well he had a ts SCI so everybody it 611 00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.160 was in the eighteen course, Like that'll give you anything. 612 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.000 And then also he goes into the second section where 613 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:58.279 he talks about the strike the strike targeting war crimes. 614 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:00.960 Right I started, I'm like, I was in Afghanistan in 615 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:04.039 twenty eighteen. I did a lot of strike targeting and 616 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.960 our missions. I know how I think I told the 617 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.359 story on our podcast about how we had to do 618 00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.039 ad mission back to back nights because the two star 619 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.680 was asleep and wouldn't sign off on blowing up one building, right, 620 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.799 that was full of what sixteen pounds of hm E, 621 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:23.680 I know how hard it is to strike one building, 622 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:25.480 and you're gonna tell me there was some two star 623 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:27.960 in the siege just sod off jock with fifty people watching. 624 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.920 That's like, blow up, blow it all. 625 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.319 Up, kill right, kill everybody, Kill everybody. 626 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.799 So the military is my point of Like I read 627 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:39.279 that and go, I know better. Civilians don't know better. 628 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.079 Nobody knows bet. They just think this is crazy. But 629 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.279 guys like us are like, reread that and they're like, 630 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.480 this is fucking dumb. So we do have a responsibility 631 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.839 to be like this is dumb. Here's the reason why. 632 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.519 And I think that's like, I think that's totally fair, 633 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.400 the idea to take somebody's because, like I said, there 634 00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:59.319 are two articles out there that if you guys want. 635 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.000 To understand how bad this gets. 636 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.960 Read Jack's article was in Yahoo News on Michael frodi 637 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.880 uh and you know what he went through. And then 638 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.200 there's another article in the New York Times about the 639 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:16.559 Marine artillery unit that was in Syria and launched more 640 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.160 artillery than I think anybody has since World War Two, 641 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.359 maybe even before then. And these guys were coming back 642 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:28.000 and seeing apparitions, seeing demons that the last the blast 643 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:33.680 injuries to them, it had serious effects. 644 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.440 And so so for me, like looking at. 645 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:42.680 Somebody who is a really tragic story and then and 646 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:47.440 then sort of like building conspiracy off of his own delusions, 647 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:48.359 is just. 648 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.880 It's not right. I love that you brought that up. 649 00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:56.319 I was just having a conversation with jameson Travels right 650 00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.880 before I came on this podcast about how that's the story. 651 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.880 The nineteen year g WATT veteran has been fucked up 652 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:09.359 in combat, who's got PTSD, who suffers a psychotic break 653 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.000 and doesn't have any fucking support and doesn't have the 654 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:16.440 mental health support that he needs. That's the story, not 655 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:20.880 that fucking Chinese drone, you know, right, So it's it's 656 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.680 it's a it's discrediting the guys you're talking about who 657 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.119 have had these issues, right, and and the real the 658 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.920 real story here is how fucked up all these g 659 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:34.039 WAT veterans are and how the military that should be 660 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:38.319 the story in the news. Sean Ryan's podcast about aliens. 661 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:38.640 And shit like that. 662 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.440 Yeah, it's you know, and it's still a serious problem 663 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.599 because I just talked to a buddy whose daughter is 664 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.319 dating an active duty guy and he's conventional, but he's 665 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.599 been in a lot of combat and he's having some 666 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.400 serious issues with post traumatic stress and he will not 667 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.200 go seek help because the military, the military, the military 668 00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:58.640 is still punishing people for it. 669 00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.440 The military is still you know, they are still like 670 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:02.519 booting people out for it. 671 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:05.319 I just I do you guys know who? Ben Pappus 672 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:08.360 is one of the one of the commanders that stood 673 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.920 up Marsk. He's on a podcast with me on the 674 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.679 War Room sometimes. Awesome dude. But we were talking about 675 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.000 the other other day. The question got asked like, if 676 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.639 you are suffering PTSD, should you seek help? Will you 677 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:22.039 be punished? And then he said like, you'll never be punished, YadA, YadA, 678 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.039 And I had to stop him as an NCO and say, well, wait, yeah, 679 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.400 as long as you report this through the the precise 680 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:33.599 correct channels and do it in the appropriate way, not 681 00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.559 through don't go to your company commander and say I'm 682 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.960 suffering from PTSD or drug use. No, you can't do that. 683 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.840 You like the military has these very strict linear paths 684 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.639 of doing this to where you can't be punished. But 685 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.559 if you slip up and do this the wrong way 686 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:49.239 and tell the wrong person, you are one hundred percent 687 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.760 right the military. I've watched dudes that have self reported 688 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.079 in my unit that I am friends with get fried. 689 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.079 Yeah fried for self reporting. Yeah, so, I mean you're right, 690 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.760 there's huge, huge, there's a huge stigma because that's the truth. 691 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:03.719 Like that that can still happen to dudes if they 692 00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.960 don't do it the right way. Yeah, it's fucked up 693 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.119 if you think about it. I don't know if I 694 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:07.800 personally not. 695 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:09.239 I know, no, no, no, you're fine. 696 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.559 The other thing I think that, you know, like people 697 00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:16.320 who don't know, like the whole when he mentioned his 698 00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:17.519 first car. 699 00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:20.519 And oh yeah, yeah yeah. 700 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.480 And and you know, and then some people says, do 701 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.519 some good O scent and they said, oh, well, like 702 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.079 it wasn't his first car, like this is his like registration. 703 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.880 It's like understand how an isoprep works. 704 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.199 Sure, when you're a boot and you know, don't know anything, 705 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.440 and you go in and you do your isoprep, you 706 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.199 answer all the questions honestly, like you're like you're calling 707 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.559 your parents hand, you're calling your parents saying. 708 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.360 Hey, what was the first street we lived on? 709 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:43.880 Right? 710 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:44.280 Right? 711 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:45.320 Because you don't remember. 712 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:48.800 But the thing is is that you don't remember, so 713 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.559 you can't call your parents. 714 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:53.559 So if I would have been a if I would 715 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.280 have been a POW in twenty eighteen days and somebody 716 00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:58.519 would have showed up and asked me for my isoprep 717 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.079 or my keywords, I would have had no fucking clue. 718 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:01.239 What they were. 719 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.400 Yeah, exactly, because you're right, you fill them out and 720 00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.360 then like three, four or five years go by, Yeah, 721 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.079 and you're like, you don't know what you put in there? Yeah, 722 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:09.000 but yeah, that's a great point. 723 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:10.440 And so the thing is if you when you do 724 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.559 them enough, you're like, what's the thing that stands out? 725 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:14.679 So it's like, who is your first girlfriend? Well, it's 726 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.800 wonder woman, Like that's the first girl I had a question? 727 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:18.679 I don't remember. It was Becky in the third grade. 728 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.360 Can you guys explain what is okay? So the ISO prep? 729 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:27.400 Yeah, the ISO prep is a is a form that 730 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.760 you fill out that you know has your fingerprints, has 731 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.239 your photo, probably now has DNA I don't know. But 732 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.079 it also has a number of questions that if you 733 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.719 are ever captured or if you are like looking for recovery, 734 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.880 in order to validate who you are, or in order 735 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.000 to validate that it's actually you asking for the pickup 736 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:54.559 from the recovery people, they will use these very detailed 737 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:59.039 questions on your ISO prep to verify that it's you 738 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.440 that when they're to talking to or to when they 739 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.679 go on target and you know, and bring out all 740 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:08.199 these people that you know, they'll they'll have you know, 741 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.239 people's is of prep questions or whatever. 742 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.360 So it's used in recovery whatever, like pow. What's the 743 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:15.800 idea behind it exactly? 744 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.920 You can kind of think of it like security questions 745 00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.119 for your bank if you're if you like, forget your 746 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:24.920 password six security questions. That's kind of like that. 747 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.800 And the other problem is is that in today's you know, 748 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:33.199 information environment, the Chinese, the Russian, they know where like 749 00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.159 any question that's on that I was so propped. They 750 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.239 can figure out the same way the same way people 751 00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:42.239 on Twitter or x figured out what is vehicles were 752 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.519 so a lot of times, like for fate for my 753 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.960 first car, I used to put kit from night Rider 754 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.880 because that's something that nobody else would know, but. 755 00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:51.320 It's something that would always stick with me. 756 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:52.440 Right. 757 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.079 It doesn't have to be a true answer, it has 758 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:56.840 to be the answer you know. 759 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.360 You can that you can remember when you need to. 760 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.880 It doesn't matter what it is. Like you could ask, 761 00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:05.000 you know, what's your favorite car and the answer could 762 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.119 be banana, right, but as long as you know the 763 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.760 answer and there because for the audience of reference, Like, 764 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.559 let's say Delta is coming to hostage rescue you like 765 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.239 they have your isopet, yeah, like and they're gonna as 766 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:19.519 they be like, here is a hostage who might be 767 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.400 six ten months later, beard disheveled. They're going to ask 768 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.239 you those questions to figure out who you are. 769 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:26.920 And even and you know, and it can happen in 770 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.559 other types of recovery situations where like, you know, you 771 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.360 get separated from the unit or you know, you're out 772 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:35.079 there doing whatever and you wander into a town and 773 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.039 call them from a phone and you're saying, hey, this 774 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.039 is so and so I need to recovery in this 775 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.400 location and you know, and they're like, well, how do like, 776 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.440 how do we know this is in some elaborate ambush 777 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.599 that we're sending people into. So they'll pull out your 778 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.119 isoproup and then ask your questions to verify that this 779 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:50.760 is really you. 780 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.599 On the phone yea or whatever. 781 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.519 Yeah, so you know, so there were things in that 782 00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.039 email that, like you say. 783 00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.719 We know and we know why they you know, we 784 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:03.440 know the deal. 785 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:07.320 But if you want to, if you want to lead 786 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:11.360 people down a conspiracy road, you can because they don't 787 00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:11.760 know better. 788 00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:13.280 That's the problem I have. 789 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.039 I was just gonna I was just gonna say that, 790 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.639 you know, I was talking to Dave earlier about this, 791 00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:20.679 and I think you nailed it too in some of 792 00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:24.639 the videos you made, Nate, that that manifesto really only 793 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.280 has one use, uh, and that is to give a 794 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:30.079 little bit of insight into that person's mental state at 795 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.480 that time, Right, and I think it clearly shows, as 796 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:35.880 we all know, he was having a mental health crisis. 797 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.039 That manifesto should not be used as a valid source 798 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:48.320 of information about aerospace technology, Chinese drones, war crimes in Afghanistans. 799 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:49.320 Know that that is not how we use. 800 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.039 I pardon the non clinical term, the ravings of a badman. 801 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:55.800 Yeah, you know this is that's not You do not 802 00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.239 go to a manifesto for that type. 803 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.960 Of information, right, And I don't know if you guys saw, 804 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.960 but the police department right before we came on just 805 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.199 came out and released a little bit more information. Apparently 806 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.760 he had like a ten page manifesto in his phone 807 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.800 with more insane rantings and obviously all talking about how 808 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.800 he's being followed by the FBI, the d like he 809 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:19.480 was going on and on and on and on and 810 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.079 how he was they were tracking him and he could 811 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.320 see them and he was tracking their vehicles and all 812 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:28.079 that and now and I don't necessarily trust the intelligence agencies, 813 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:29.960 but like the FBI and everybody's come out and been like, look, 814 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.840 this guy wasn't on any watch list, Like nobody was 815 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.480 targeting this dude. He was your typical like no criminal record, 816 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:41.360 active duty Special Forces team sergeant, like nobody, none of 817 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.320 us know who this guy is, so like which I 818 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.280 kind of believe right like and based off his career, 819 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:49.719 Like you don't make it to be an active duty 820 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.920 team sergeant if you're out doing crazy shit and getting 821 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.519 arrested and doing all stuff like that. But that just 822 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.039 kind of shows of like this huge manifesto of like 823 00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.079 like like again psychosis and think you're being tracked and 824 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.840 think you're being monitored in this insane paranoia that's just 825 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:10.280 wasn't happening. And what really and that really pissed me 826 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.760 off was the Sean Ryan Live not I don't know 827 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.960 if you guys listened to it, not the not the episode, 828 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.239 but he had they had like that Twitter live that 829 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.039 they did that came out after like the episodes of 830 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.199 Me and jameson Travels and everybody that was like, this 831 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:27.480 is fucking dumb, what are we doing here? And they 832 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.840 brought on a bunch of former FBI agents, a bunch 833 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:35.480 of Green berets, Navy seals, and everybody just talked about 834 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.360 how this is obviously all true and this is a 835 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:42.320 huge conspiracy and he's still alive and they're tracking him 836 00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.599 and he's trying to make it to Mexico and it's like, 837 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.079 what are you guys fucking doing? None of you know 838 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:49.880 any of this. Wait. First of all, even if this 839 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.559 conspiracy was true, nobody knows what's going on. But like, 840 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.840 this is a lot of credible voices to tell the 841 00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:00.199 American public like, hey, don't trust what's going on on. 842 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.920 You need to listen to this crazy shit. That was 843 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:03.760 super disappointing. 844 00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.199 See, there was another one then because I listened to 845 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.119 one was it last night or the night before, I 846 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:11.159 can't remember where. 847 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:12.639 There were a bunch of guys who. 848 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:17.920 Came on who had been kind of opposing what Sean 849 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.400 had said, and they're like. 850 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.880 This was like a big circle jerk session of. 851 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.280 Okay, yeah, I didn't hear that one out and Nate. 852 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:29.159 That goes back to my earlier comment about like responsibility 853 00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:33.159 and you know where where does it lie? So I've 854 00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.679 never spoken about this publicly for some of the reasons 855 00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:40.320 I mentioned previously. But there are certain people I have 856 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.039 not booked on this podcast and would not because I 857 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.480 think there are credibility issues, And for sure one of them, 858 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.760 to tell you the truth is Tim Kennedy. I had 859 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.519 an advanced copy of his book. I could not make 860 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.239 it past the back cover synopsis. 861 00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.960 On you you were the only person that ever read it. 862 00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:59.880 Well, I didn't mean it was just the back cover. 863 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.039 I didn't make it through. 864 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:02.559 The back cover. 865 00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:04.719 We read it and we were like that was enough 866 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:04.960 for me. 867 00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.679 I was like, this is this is a no for us, 868 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:13.920 right And when a well known military podcast has a 869 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.440 bunch of people like Tim Kennedy, this guy with the 870 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.840 conspiracy theories about the cyber trucks and a bunch of 871 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:25.079 other dubious military tales, uh and other weird Well. 872 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.880 I mean, let's let's call spade a spade, like I'll 873 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:29.719 call it for you. We're talking about Sean Ryan, right, 874 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.280 And let's be clear. And I said this before. I 875 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.440 like Sean Ryan. I like his show, but I watch 876 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:39.119 it for entertainment. I understand. The dude has on a 877 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:45.159 bunch of wazoo fucking UFO alien like reptiles and Antarctica interviews, 878 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:46.880 and he doesn't push back at all, and he lets 879 00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:50.239 him spew all their crazy shit. Tim Kennedy, That's fine, 880 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.239 it's entertainment. The problem is is when Sean Ryan decides 881 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:57.599 that he's the bastion of truth for the information that's 882 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.639 coming out about a serious domestic terrorist attack, that's when 883 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.400 you have to stop and say, Okay, no, that's not 884 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.119 what your show is. Okay, no, no, knock on your 885 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.320 show again. I like it, but the guy you had 886 00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.519 on right like came on and peddled a bunch of 887 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.320 crazy bullshit. And and I also think then, and I 888 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.159 told people this, this is why I don't beat sewn 889 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.320 up for it, because it's like you have these type 890 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.480 of people on your show all the time, and that's fine, 891 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.639 but like, don't pretend to be something that you're not. 892 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:25.960 Yeah, I don't. 893 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.079 I don't know the guy personally. I don't have any 894 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:29.760 problem with him personally. 895 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.800 No, I think I think again, I like him, Like 896 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:34.440 I'm not beating him up. I like his show. 897 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.360 I'm glad he's this. 898 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.199 He's as successful as he is, you know, like I 899 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.320 love I love to see veterans succeed. But but you're right, 900 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.119 But it's but it's weird because he he he has. 901 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.719 This fine line. You know, he has Trump on. 902 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.360 He does have people on who have very real things 903 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:51.639 to say. 904 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.000 It goes back and forth. There's some really great, credible 905 00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.639 uh sources on there and some great interviews, and then 906 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:00.599 again you'll have the guy who said he was a 907 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.920 janitor in Antarctica where there was reptile alien people right right. 908 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.920 Like my favorite was the guy who didn't know if 909 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.039 he was in the Special Activities Directorate or Special Activities Division. 910 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:14.400 I was like, that's like saying, like you're you're in 911 00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.239 the Ranger regiment, but you don't know if it's a 912 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:17.480 regiment or a brigade. 913 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.480 Like I'm not sure if I was in Ranger Batter 914 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.760 or r RC, but. 915 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.119 I'm not as you as you put it, Nate. I mean, 916 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:26.039 what are we doing here? 917 00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:26.679 Yeah? 918 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:30.239 Yeah, yeah, exactly what are we doing? Yeah? Again, I 919 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.079 want to cave out for the viewers before they freak out. 920 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:34.599 I like Sean Ryan Show, I'm not beating him up. 921 00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.559 I'm just saying, come on, well they can. 922 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:43.119 There's there's a pile on effect and there are a 923 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.559 lot of people out there who really enjoy all the 924 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:49.679 melodrama and you know, picking a side and fighting. And 925 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.760 the reason why I think it's rather silly when you 926 00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:56.039 zoom back from all of it is that, like end 927 00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.000 of the day, like none of these people arguing on 928 00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:00.000 the internet, they don't give a shit about your life 929 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.679 or you know, your family, and they don't care about 930 00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:05.480 me or you know what I have going on, So 931 00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.519 you have to like take the comments section should be 932 00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:09.519 taken with a grain of salt. 933 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.159 That was a learning experience for me over the last 934 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.239 twelve months. Jack. I started because I did you know, 935 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.719 I was an actual I was an actual, silent professional. 936 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:21.920 I didn't have any social media. I did my job, 937 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.440 Like I started these social media channels when I retired, 938 00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.039 and the first couple of months I was in the 939 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.480 comment section maybe like like he like arguing, you know 940 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:35.079 what I mean? And over time I had one one 941 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.480 of my creator buddies that sort of mentored me. I 942 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.400 was talking to him about it, and he gave me 943 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:42.400 this quote that's changed my whole perspective ever since. He said, 944 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:44.679 every time you see a comment that pisses you off, 945 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.440 I want you to remember fifty percent of Americans read 946 00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:51.679 at below an eighth grade comprehension level. And I went, 947 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.800 that's the people in the comments. There's no point what 948 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.199 am I I'll still, like I say slights back and forth. 949 00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:00.400 You know, somebody like tries to say some suit super 950 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.039 insulting stuff. I'll do some witty comebacks. But yeah, like 951 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:08.880 the comment section, you're right, it is a deranged like we've. 952 00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:13.559 We've had people from the same show in comments in 953 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.559 our comment sections, both calling us. 954 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:16.840 Russian like. 955 00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:23.000 Asians and like you and Ukrainian like trolls like. 956 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.760 Like because we tried to both because. 957 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.079 We tried to present like a nuanced view of a situation. 958 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.440 Or you'll have like what one interview we do where 959 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:33.199 they're calling us left wing lunatics and another where they're 960 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.280 calling us right wing propagandas it's. 961 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:36.800 Like, yeah, mega propaganda. 962 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.239 It's like it's like kind of we can be whatever 963 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.320 you want us to be, you know, whatever your agenda is. 964 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:44.320 Well, what did you get? 965 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.320 Sorry, David, I was just gonna ask you, like, what 966 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:49.639 kind of feedback did you get from your review of 967 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.639 the Eric Deming claims, Oh. 968 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.519 That's interesting. I don't know if I should. I'll get 969 00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.840 into this that that didn't stop with that video. I 970 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.760 I've talked to Eric personally for a couple hours, one 971 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:05.719 on one. I'll get into that in a second if 972 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:13.400 you guys want to. Yeah, But initially it was really 973 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:15.360 kind of a fifty to fifty man, Like a lot 974 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.039 of people wanted Jocko to be a war criminal, which 975 00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.719 was kind of shocking to me because he isn't like 976 00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.840 a a Tim Kennedy personality where it's like look at me, 977 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.480 look at me. He seems like a very I like 978 00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.880 his content, like a very leadership like, build up self 979 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.440 accountability type of guy. So it was kind of surprising 980 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.039 to me when I came out and defended him, how 981 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:39.599 many people were angry with me for not calling him 982 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:43.320 a war criminal, right, which was weird, but it was 983 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.559 a real fifty to fifty split. Just for my initial 984 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.280 coverage of that, And again I did a I did 985 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.639 a full hour long video I used your guys this episode. Yeah, 986 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:55.880 I went through the whole thing, and I just I 987 00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.480 just called balls and strikes, right. I said, these are 988 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.679 things that sound really credible my experience of doing this, 989 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.400 these are things that don't sound credible. Since then, I 990 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.559 talked to Eric one on one, and I don't think 991 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.480 Eric's a bad guy, right, And I pressed him very 992 00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.760 hard on the exact same things I pressed him on, 993 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:18.039 like one of the things where he says he was 994 00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.280 getting guys killed in Ramadi, And I said, over and 995 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.000 over again, Eric, tell me how he was getting guys 996 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:25.920 killed in Ramadi. They were doing daytime rates. Yeah, so 997 00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:30.159 was I in vso man, right, tell me how he 998 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.360 was getting people killed. Oh, well, the martial arts gym. 999 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:33.800 Right. 1000 00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:36.239 And it was like and we did this loop back 1001 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:37.840 to back to back, and we kind of did it, 1002 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.119 and I was like, maybe he's right, maybe he's not. 1003 00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:45.480 After that, I had two of the guys from the 1004 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.039 team in Ramadi reach out to me. Unhonestly, they didn't 1005 00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:49.559 want anything to do with it. But I'll tell you 1006 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.679 from the emails, it's very credible, Like you know when 1007 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:53.920 you are talking to someone incredible in an email where 1008 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.559 they they've got names, unit names, all that. And they 1009 00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:58.880 talked about Mike Lee's funeral, right, they were like, we 1010 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.639 were at Mike Lee's funeral. No one at that funeral 1011 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:04.480 said anything about Jocko getting people killed. Nobody at that 1012 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.880 at that funeral said anything about Jocko being a coward. 1013 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.079 They were objective. They were like, look, there was some 1014 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.199 dumb shit Jocko was doing. This, was this, this and this. 1015 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.039 So it was a pretty fair back and forth. But 1016 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:19.199 the and I didn't want to do it. I'm like, 1017 00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.280 I'm and and again. I also told Eric, I said, Eric, 1018 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:27.679 if you can bring me eye witnesses, they don't have 1019 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.639 to come on the show. They just have to reach 1020 00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:31.079 out to me. And I just have to find them 1021 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:35.960 credible to anything anything firsthand, any of the claims you've made. 1022 00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:40.039 A single eyewitness, I will platform you. I haven't heard 1023 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:41.880 back from him in two and a half months, so 1024 00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.280 I will just say maybe he doesn't want to get involved, 1025 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.280 but he came out of doing a lot of accusations, 1026 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.280 and when I gave him the opportunity to bring receipts, 1027 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.280 he went silently. So again that's that was long winded. 1028 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:58.119 But yeah, I think now that it's kind of died out, 1029 00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.639 people are back to you know, sort of like Jocko 1030 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:02.639 seems like a normal dude. And I'm not excusing and 1031 00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:06.039 saying Jocko's like some prince I've heard, like the shit 1032 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.519 in Ramadi sounds pretty sketchy. Yeah, he was probably doing 1033 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.360 some dumb fucking shit, I'll say that, But but is 1034 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.840 he this war criminal that was telling Chris Kyle to 1035 00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:16.840 go kill civilians? I don't know, man, Yeah, that's a 1036 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:17.519 tough sell for me. 1037 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.440 You're you're you're right that when you know, accusations of 1038 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.480 murder uh or negligence that's killing. 1039 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:24.079 Soldiers are made. 1040 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:28.679 That does require evidence, uh, you know, extraordinary evidence in 1041 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:29.320 some cases. 1042 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:32.719 So I get where you're coming from. 1043 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:34.920 Well, and the thing is is that like in this community, 1044 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.440 we've all been divorced, so we all know like what 1045 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.559 it's like to love somebody and what it's like to 1046 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:43.599 not love them, and and and then like see like 1047 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.840 see how our truth is very much informed. Our truth 1048 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.239 about them is very much informed by our feelings about 1049 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:53.599 them and how those change over time. 1050 00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.480 And like for me, I felt that. 1051 00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.760 Eric had probably a legitimate CROs right put the whole 1052 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.559 CQC thing. Yes, it did sound as though there were 1053 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.039 some shenanigans that went on. 1054 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.840 With that, and from what and from what I've heard, 1055 00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.960 credibility wise, like Jocko was banned from any contracts going 1056 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.760 forward with the Navy. Like those I agree, I called 1057 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:20.840 balls and strikes right and stuff sound incredible. But but 1058 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:24.800 to me, that's where the problem then became exactly like, oh, 1059 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:29.199 he seems like he's so emotionally invested in the slights 1060 00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:34.679 against him exactly. Maybe it's maybe. 1061 00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.119 That's what I thought too, And that's why when he 1062 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.679 was on the show and started saying amazing, it's like, okay, 1063 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:39.280 like we need to like did. 1064 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:40.719 You hear this firsthand? 1065 00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.360 Yea, some of these accusations, because like we don't our 1066 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.639 show is about giving people a platform, and a lot 1067 00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:48.039 of times we don't push back. 1068 00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.719 We don't question a lot of what. We don't have 1069 00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:52.960 murder accusations every day either. Yeah. 1070 00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:55.119 Well, but but you guys did push back on that. 1071 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.800 I remember Day pushed back on that, like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, 1072 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.920 you need to tell us did you see this firsthand 1073 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:04.000 or did you hear it? And because that's important, right, Like, 1074 00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:07.639 if you're gonna if you're gonna say these things in public, 1075 00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:10.440 there's gotta be some context to it, right. 1076 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.559 And that's what it felt like to me, is that 1077 00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:17.639 he had he had a legitimate thing about the CQC stuff, 1078 00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.000 and then that was like then he took that and. 1079 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:21.480 Not smeared it. 1080 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.440 Because I don't think that Eric is dishonest or like 1081 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:27.559 or whatever, but I do feel like he has a 1082 00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:29.599 bit of an aster grind and maybe maybe kind of 1083 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.800 gets a little target fixated in the sense of and 1084 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:34.159 I think he's a lovely guy. I think he's a 1085 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:34.599 great guy. 1086 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:35.119 Again. 1087 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:37.119 Yeah, for us talking to him one on one, he 1088 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.320 seemed like it. He seemed like an awesome dude, super 1089 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:44.280 fucking nice dude. I just personally when I tried to 1090 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.880 press him beyond the third hand stories, right, tell me 1091 00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:50.400 how you know this beyond like rumor mill of the 1092 00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:53.599 seal teams, Right, I could never get anything beyond of 1093 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.760 like it's known in the community, right, Yeah, man, But 1094 00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:59.480 like there's a lot of things there are rumors in 1095 00:53:59.480 --> 00:53:59.719 the kit. 1096 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.440 The thing is you will believe, like you'll believe things 1097 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:05.880 about people that you don't like based on past information 1098 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.639 that you wouldn't go about your best friend. 1099 00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:09.039 Right. 1100 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:12.199 So it really a lot of times when you're hearing 1101 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:13.000 these rumors. 1102 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.440 About people, the context is really important in terms of 1103 00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:17.480 like what do you think? 1104 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.199 What do you already think about this person? 1105 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.199 Well, and I also try to tell people and I'm 1106 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:23.800 sure Jack and I don't know how bet it's the 1107 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:25.800 way and range about as well. But I'm like, do 1108 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:28.480 you guys got to understand, like the soft team rooms 1109 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:33.400 are fucking like mean girls in the most drama rumor 1110 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:36.960 mill bullshit you will ever see. Like the level of 1111 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.960 rumors and gossip that goes on in like the company 1112 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:43.960 hallway would blow your fucking mind. Right, So it's like 1113 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.719 rumors and like this type of shit's not like oh 1114 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.639 so and so was like taking fucking ketymine while he 1115 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.840 was fucking on target and YadA, YadA, YadA, Like there's 1116 00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:55.760 so much of that that like you got to take 1117 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.480 that with a grain of salt if it's the community 1118 00:54:58.559 --> 00:54:59.920 knows this is true. 1119 00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:02.519 On that note, I'd like to ask you this thing 1120 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.880 about the community because I feel like a lot of 1121 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:08.079 the things that we've been talking about, a lot of 1122 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.079 the things you've been talking about, Jay, Brent Tucker, all 1123 00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:14.280 those guys, there are things that are actually pretty well 1124 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.480 known in the special operations community. Oh yeah, but I 1125 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:21.639 found that ten years ago, twelve years ago, fifteen years 1126 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.199 ago when I would talk to people about, hey man, 1127 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.719 Marcus Latrell's story doesn't check out, like there's some things 1128 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.360 wrong there, or you know, Chris Kyle lied. 1129 00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:34.519 About some things. Right. People looked at me back then 1130 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:36.519 like I was crazy and. 1131 00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.119 You caveat that. Yeah, because that's the perfect one. Marcus Latreux, 1132 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:43.199 lone survivor in the eighteen Echo Course. I can't say 1133 00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:46.760 I have to be careful about this, right because of 1134 00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:49.039 where this information comes anyway, Let's just say in the 1135 00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:53.039 eighteen Echo course before the movie came out, one of 1136 00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:56.360 our biggest lessons learned in the eighteen Echo course about 1137 00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:00.000 checking your radios and having crypto in your radios came 1138 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:03.920 from that ambition and the failures of that and the 1139 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:07.599 backside of that. And because there's someone potentially over there 1140 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:11.559 that was involved in that, that knows that that's what's happened. 1141 00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:13.480 That was before the movie, that was before the book. 1142 00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:15.239 It was just known. It was part of the course 1143 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.280 we taught it as a learning lesson about how dumb 1144 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:20.079 this was and how this whole story was bullshit. Right, 1145 00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:23.519 So like to your point, that was just that was 1146 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.880 just common knowledge, right, that was fifteen years ago, that 1147 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.880 that was common Yeah, twelve years ago now that was 1148 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.199 common common knowledge. So to your point, like, yeah, and 1149 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:38.800 Chris Kyle, right, like all of these things, Rob O'Neil 1150 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.800 is a great one as well. I don't want to 1151 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.079 knock the dude, but it was like when that came out, 1152 00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.239 like I had Delta Force buddies who were like, yeah, 1153 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.679 fucking that didn't happen. Yeah, that was like immediately right 1154 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.199 now he didn't kill him. Yeah, and you're just like, oh, okay, right, 1155 00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:55.960 but yeah, and then you just move on with your 1156 00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:57.679 life because you're active duty and you don't give a 1157 00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:01.360 shit nobody and you're not talking about it. Yes, the 1158 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.840 vast majority of these things are just like they're just 1159 00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:04.639 common knowledge. 1160 00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:08.280 Yeah, why do you think that it's sort of all 1161 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:10.920 It's not not only is it all coming out? I 1162 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:13.679 mean journalists and other people wrote about this stuff ten 1163 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.400 years ago. But why do you think it's hitting so 1164 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:20.559 hard right now? And it seems like people are are 1165 00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:22.880 And I got to answer, yeah, they're they're ready to 1166 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.039 hear it. I mean, is it because the wars are over? 1167 00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:26.360 I mean, what do you think. 1168 00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.840 It's No, I think it's societal. I think twenty twenty four, 1169 00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:32.519 twenty twenty five is where we are in a moment 1170 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:37.119 of truth telling and authenticity in everything in society. You 1171 00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.280 look across the board, no matter what it's been over 1172 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:42.800 the last years, it's like the Epstein shit, the Ditty shit. 1173 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:46.000 It's like all lies are being Kat Williams came out 1174 00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:48.559 and said it a year ago, all lies will be exposed. 1175 00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.079 In twenty twenty four, everybody thought he was crazy and Kat. 1176 00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:53.599 Williams was exposed as had never even been a marine. 1177 00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.599 Right. So, but my point is, I just think we 1178 00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:04.320 are in an era of extreme authenticity that people for 1179 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.440 whatever reason, and Tim Kennedy like the list goes on 1180 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:12.519 of just people being exposed out of nowhere. I don't 1181 00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:15.320 think it's specifically a g I think I think the 1182 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:17.159 war ending does have a big part of it. Because 1183 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.880 people are bored, right, It's like we don't have anything 1184 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.920 to do, so let's let's talk about drama because there's 1185 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:24.639 no war to talk about. I do think there is 1186 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:29.639 a portion of that on top of just the overarching 1187 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:33.239 society being like thirsty for truth because we've kind of 1188 00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:36.320 been living in a disinformation whether I'm not saying like 1189 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.880 right wing left wing, but just in general, so many 1190 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:41.880 people like kind of being like we're just been lied 1191 00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:46.960 to for so long about everything that people are I 1192 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:49.039 don't want to say waking up, but it feels like 1193 00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:53.599 we're kind of in like, yeah, waking up the time, right. Yeah, 1194 00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:55.119 it just kind of feels like that. And I think 1195 00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:57.519 that that's just part of the way it's going right now, 1196 00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:01.880 is like people are looking for truth and they're analyzing 1197 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:06.800 things a lot closer than we used to. I guess, 1198 00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:07.440 so that'd be. 1199 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:09.800 That's no, that's a great answer. Yeah. I hadn't even 1200 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:12.199 thought of it that way. 1201 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.880 So, I, uh, because people send me this stuff, I 1202 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:19.400 did watch, uh, well, I watched your video this afternoon, 1203 00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:24.000 but I also I think last night I watched Brent 1204 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:27.119 Tucker and his anti hero podcast. We've had Brent on 1205 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:32.239 the show before, h Yeah, with with Tim's teammates, and 1206 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:35.800 I have to say that. You know, my my take 1207 00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:38.440 on the whole thing is like, Okay, if he's making 1208 00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.280 up all these stories, that's bad for a whole series 1209 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.519 of moral reasons, historical, factual veracity. 1210 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:47.719 There's all sorts of reasons why that's wrong. 1211 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.599 But at the end of the day, like I kind 1212 00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:51.480 of just feel sorry for that person that they're so 1213 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:54.679 insecure they're making that stuff up. But you know what, 1214 00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:57.960 what what kind of asked me up watching Brent's interview 1215 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.199 with those guys was the way Tim raked his boys 1216 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:06.280 over the coals and his book unnecessarily and unjust. 1217 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:06.559 All the time. 1218 01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.559 And that's that's a really low thing to do, you know, 1219 01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:11.719 especially over something that's not true. 1220 01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:17.679 Yeah, I mean even if it were, but it wasn't true. 1221 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.159 And so where where does that come? Where does that 1222 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:22.880 need to not only prompt on self up with lies? 1223 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:24.760 Well, I gonna tell you where it came from. Do 1224 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:29.079 we want to call fucking call spatus babe? Sure, be real, 1225 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:32.039 I'll call Spatus babe, be real. Tim Kennedy. Tim Kennedy 1226 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:35.840 did what two years on an ODA? He's got two deployments. 1227 01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.000 I know, I've got his official military records. I know 1228 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:40.039 I've had him the entire time. That's how I put 1229 01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:43.480 all this content out. He's got two deployments. He became 1230 01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:45.760 a Green Beret, went to Iraq in two thousand and 1231 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:47.639 six as part of a sift team that he wasn't 1232 01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:49.480 so far to qualified for, which means he wouldn't have 1233 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:51.039 been allowed to go on any of the fucking missions 1234 01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:53.800 to begin with. So he didn't do jack shit in 1235 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:58.280 that deployment. And then his next deployment, he's a new 1236 01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:01.920 E six, right, he goes to Afghanistan and he's an 1237 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:04.599 LENO for the checksoff which I can tell you this, 1238 01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.599 where do you put your biggest piece of shit in 1239 01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.920 the company, the leno at Bath. Yeah, that's where you 1240 01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:11.880 send him because nobody fucking wants him on a team. 1241 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.360 Like again, I'm just calling a spade of space, right, 1242 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.000 So he was an le and O for the checksoft 1243 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:19.119 working at Bath. Nobody wanted him, and he gets to 1244 01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:21.719 go out. I'm finally on this one mission, right, which 1245 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.159 apparently he did a fine job. Like he was just 1246 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:26.280 a young new dude on a first kind of like 1247 01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:28.960 the first time out in Afghanistan. No big deal, that's 1248 01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:31.920 actually I'm not criticizing that. He obviously then writes an 1249 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.760 entire book about how he's like the hero of the 1250 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.760 entire story. That's that's complete bullshit, But that's like his 1251 01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.639 one mission. So he in combat, like he talks about 1252 01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:42.760 all these people he killed. I if I had to 1253 01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.519 put like gun to my kid's head, has Tim Kennedy 1254 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:46.519 ever killed a human being? 1255 01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:46.719 Before? 1256 01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:49.280 I would say no, I would say absolutely fucking not. 1257 01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:51.800 He's never. He hasn't killed nimoy, that would be my guess. 1258 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.639 So what I mean by that is he's a dude 1259 01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:56.639 that did two years on the teams. He had two 1260 01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.639 non eventful combat deployments where he barely did anything, and 1261 01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.320 then he went National Garden and got out. Then he 1262 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.000 decided he needed to be a war hero. And so 1263 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:09.079 he then decides he's so insecure about not having done much, 1264 01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.320 he builds this giant war hero persona where he writes 1265 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:14.559 all these books and makes up all these valor awards. 1266 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:18.960 That's I think the true story of Tim Kennedy's military. 1267 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.559 So you think I haven't wanted to beat him up, 1268 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:25.920 but I think that's reality because why else would you 1269 01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.119 do this? You aren't that guy bro, Like you just 1270 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:30.000 weren't that guy. 1271 01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.960 So you think that him throwing his boys under the 1272 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:35.599 bus like that is basically him putting up a smoke screen, 1273 01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:37.480 like look at all these pieces of shit on the 1274 01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:37.960 real hero. 1275 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:40.599 I think it's an insecurity thing. Like you said, I 1276 01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:44.159 think he looked around like, because I'm not saying I'm 1277 01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.199 not insecure. I'm secured my service had a great career. 1278 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.280 But I look at some of my teammates that got 1279 01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:50.960 I have oda teammates that have silver stars, and I 1280 01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.239 look at them and in my own head, I'm like, 1281 01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:55.280 and I have valor awards in combat wards a lot 1282 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.199 more than most people. But I still look at those 1283 01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:59.480 guys and I'm like, fuck, I didn't do I didn't 1284 01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.599 do shit right, right, And I think what he did 1285 01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:06.239 is he really didn't do shit, and that he's also 1286 01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:10.039 insane level egomaniac, narcissist. Right. I don't think he gives 1287 01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:11.719 a fuck about his teammates. I don't think he cares 1288 01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:15.119 about anybody but himself. So yes, I think he decided 1289 01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:18.159 I'm going to put every because this is what a 1290 01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:20.360 lot of people do. Right, to feel better about myself, 1291 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.199 I put others down. That's not a rare thing in society. 1292 01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:26.000 That's a very normal human behavior, and I think that's 1293 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:28.599 what he decided to do. In an era of two 1294 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:30.719 thousand and eight to two thousand and nine twenty ten, 1295 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.400 social media wasn't a big thing, right, you like what 1296 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:35.679 people were putting things on the Internet not thinking about 1297 01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:36.559 them being there were. 1298 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:39.039 A lot of soft guys on social media at that 1299 01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:39.719 time at all. 1300 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:43.079 That's my point. So I think he just he figured 1301 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.280 he could say the shit because there was no soft 1302 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:47.360 guys on social media and he could just get away 1303 01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:50.079 with it. And here's the thing he did. Yeah, he 1304 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.960 got away with it for a long fucking time. And 1305 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:56.079 I think once you start lying like that, you don't 1306 01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.039 get caught in two thousand and eight, you don't get 1307 01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:00.440 caught in two thousand and nine. You're going on Joe Rogan, 1308 01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:03.519 You're going like, ten years later, you haven't been caught 1309 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.599 and no one's called you out at that point, like 1310 01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:09.639 you believe your own fucking story. But yeah, so that 1311 01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:11.400 that would be my guest. Jack. I think it's I 1312 01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.639 think it's utter insecure, which I know people are like 1313 01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.280 so crazy, like how is a fucking Green Bray UFC 1314 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:22.559 fighter This insanely insecure, but that doesn't matter for men, right, Like, 1315 01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:26.039 as men again, you can look at your teammates, who 1316 01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:28.519 are all these grizzled, fucking combat veterans that did all 1317 01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:33.000 this fucking badass stuff and you didn't, And that internalizes 1318 01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.880 as I have to get out and make myself feel 1319 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:38.719 like I was that guy. And I think that's what 1320 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:39.320 it is for him. 1321 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:42.719 Especially for the types of guys that go into special operations, 1322 01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:44.199 they are very I think a lot of us are 1323 01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:47.800 very sort of achievement driven, right, we're as we always 1324 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.639 want to conquer that next that next challenge, whatever it is. 1325 01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:55.119 And and for people who don't, this is the thought 1326 01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:59.840 process because and I'll say this as a peacetime ranger, right, 1327 01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:03.159 this is the thought process that probably everybody goes through. 1328 01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.199 Man, I really want to go to combat. I really 1329 01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:08.559 want to go well, I really want to be a ranger. Okay, 1330 01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:10.599 all right, I really want to go to combat. 1331 01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:13.159 And then like during my time, it didn't happen, but 1332 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:13.920 then it goes. 1333 01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:16.880 Then you finally go to combat and you're like, well, 1334 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:18.079 I really want to get a firefight. 1335 01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:21.360 You know, if you did a combat, you get a firefight, 1336 01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:23.159 and then you get in a firefight. You're like, I 1337 01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:24.960 don't think I killed somebody, Like I really want to 1338 01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:27.039 kill somebody. And then you kill somebody, it's like, well 1339 01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:28.880 it's just one, like maybe that was lucky. 1340 01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:29.920 And and then and. 1341 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:32.719 Then it's like, oh, I really like to get you know, 1342 01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:35.159 an art com with a V device or a Bronze 1343 01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:36.679 Star with V device. 1344 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:38.800 It's like, oh I got a broad Star with a VD. Well, 1345 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:39.880 you know, I don't have. 1346 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:41.639 A Solar Star or I don't have a purple heart, 1347 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:43.960 Like there's always something more to look. 1348 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:46.440 At that Dave, you call it, you just called me 1349 01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:50.079 out because that was me. That was me then chasing 1350 01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.400 like moving my family to Japan to try to get 1351 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:54.960 on the next rotation because my buddy former eighteen Delta 1352 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:57.480 was the team sergeant go into the next Afghanistan rotation 1353 01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:01.440 to skipswick like appalling my hire like family to do 1354 01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:03.639 that just to like, oh I got to get that 1355 01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:05.559 next one. I get to get that next one. So 1356 01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:12.159 I dealt with that myself, like internally, so one hundred percent. 1357 01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:14.320 And there is that I got to the point where 1358 01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.360 I was just the main element leader literally running combat operations. 1359 01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:19.480 But you're still like, well, I need to get a 1360 01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:21.280 little bit higher than that, right, Like, you're right, like 1361 01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:23.280 I need to get an even bigger near ambush and 1362 01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:25.880 right like, well my my my buddy next to me's 1363 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:28.000 got a silver star and I only have an RCMB, 1364 01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.320 so now I need to b SMB. Right. So that's 1365 01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:33.840 a really very rare, a very real thing. 1366 01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:37.480 And the thing is, there's no real top unless you 1367 01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:41.039 were like in Delta and got a Medal of Honor 1368 01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:41.559 with like. 1369 01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:43.440 Eight right hearts. 1370 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:45.599 Like that's the only thing because like, I have friends 1371 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:47.960 who won valor awards are not purple hearts, and they 1372 01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.880 were confessional, And every time we talk about something practically, 1373 01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:53.760 they'll they'll say, well, you know, I was never in soft, 1374 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.360 and I'm like, yes, like we've known each other for years. 1375 01:06:56.679 --> 01:06:58.480 I know you were never a soft, but you did 1376 01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:02.280 real Please stop sing everything with I was never in soft. 1377 01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:05.480 I know it's right, and I still admire like everything you. 1378 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:11.400 Did, you know, yeah, oh yeah for sure. So yeah, no, 1379 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:14.519 I was just gonna say, and man, you want to talk, 1380 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:16.559 let me do it on a side real quick, because 1381 01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:19.360 I always love to shout out regular infantry and marines 1382 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.039 because I don't think they get enough credit for the 1383 01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:23.960 crazy shit they went through in g Watt, one of 1384 01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:26.480 my buddies who is a Delta Force legend. He was 1385 01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:31.199 just inducted into the Oregon Military Hall of Fame. On 1386 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.639 every like high profile mission that there was in the 1387 01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:37.519 first fifteen years of the war. He told a story 1388 01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:40.760 at his induction ceremony because he was also part of 1389 01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:42.559 the Delta Force group that went in to save the 1390 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:45.440 Marines in Fallujah that were getting basically overrun out of 1391 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:47.119 that building where they had to bring the tanks in. 1392 01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:50.960 If you've heard Cody Alfred's story, he was one of 1393 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:53.079 the Delta Fortes. He was the Delta Force medic in 1394 01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:55.760 that story that Cody Alford actually. 1395 01:07:55.599 --> 01:08:00.320 Didn't Hallama get a DSc for that, I believe, so yeah, 1396 01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:01.440 But anyway, he told that. 1397 01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:06.719 He told that story at his induction Hall of Fame induction. 1398 01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:09.880 That was the war story he decided to tell as 1399 01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:14.239 the craziest combat that he had ever seen and ever 1400 01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:20.359 been in in his entire career with regular Fallujah Marines. Right, 1401 01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.239 that was the craziest thing one of the most decorated 1402 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:26.000 Delta Force operators had ever been in. So you hear 1403 01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:28.880 that and you're like, dude, these fucking eighteen nineteen year 1404 01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:31.279 old kids. And this was in two thousand and three 1405 01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:32.920 and two thousand and six, when like we didn't know 1406 01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:36.920 about CQB, we didn't know shit about urban combat like that. 1407 01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:40.359 We learned everything that we know now from that shit. 1408 01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:42.520 And these just eighteen and nineteen year old kids like 1409 01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:47.479 went in and did that. It blows anything I did 1410 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:49.840 in combat so far out of the water that I 1411 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:52.479 always looked at those guys in admiration. So when I 1412 01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:54.720 hear guys be like, oh, I was just a three 1413 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:57.560 eleven marine, and You're like, that's in fallusion. Yeah right, 1414 01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.720 that's not that's not just a bro. That's like, shit, 1415 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.720 well beyond I ever did when and when you were nineteen. 1416 01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.319 Yeah, it's to say, like even like the Nasty Guard, right, 1417 01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:10.079 like you know, before the ge Wat, it was the 1418 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.760 Nasty Guard. And then you see these kids, these you 1419 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:16.279 know Arkansas kids out in the heat in Solder City, 1420 01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:19.439 like going Winchester in their you know strikers or their 1421 01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:22.039 Bradley's or whatever in Solder City and getting their A 1422 01:09:22.199 --> 01:09:26.000 cogs shut off their rifles. It's like, yeah, there's no 1423 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:27.119 separation anymore. 1424 01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:29.600 Like Yeah, when I tell people, I'm like, hey, man, 1425 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.840 like and that that blowout near Ambush I was in 1426 01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:36.560 where my entire team got beall awards from silver Star down. Yeah, 1427 01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:40.439 I got fucking I got like breakfast the chow hal 1428 01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:44.039 that morning when I got off the plane at CAF right, right, 1429 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:48.239 Like that's a whole different war to be working inn 1430 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.000 than that early phase of the world. Like I'm not, 1431 01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:53.399 I don't tell any wise about that, Yeah, I mean 1432 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:54.119 just different. 1433 01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:57.479 Yeah, I always say that the Soft Mission it was tough, 1434 01:09:57.520 --> 01:09:59.920 it was dangerous, but it was also pretty guccy for 1435 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:00.560 the most part. 1436 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.960 Oh yeah, especially especially in the two thousand once we 1437 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:06.760 got out of the s O and we went back 1438 01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:09.520 to the fobs and just operated just doing like halves 1439 01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:11.840 and gabs out of the fobs. Like, that's a very different, 1440 01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:14.319 very different war than the first half. 1441 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:14.680 It's not. 1442 01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:20.520 Yeah, no, no, yeah, So so what do you think 1443 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:24.479 because when it comes, you know, like we see so 1444 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.640 I'm gonna talk about stolen valor, but not with the 1445 01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:30.479 capital S, capital V like the federal law of stolen valor, 1446 01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:33.439 but actually just the idea of stolen valor about lying about. 1447 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:36.039 There and there is there is a difference, right, Like 1448 01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:38.079 if if you want to tell the audience, like what 1449 01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:39.520 real stolen valor means? 1450 01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:44.479 Valor is a federal crime and a crime in most 1451 01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:50.920 states I think too. But for the federal statute, in fact, 1452 01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:51.720 they had to change it. 1453 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:53.199 They had like they had to. 1454 01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:58.199 Narrow it down because it did impede on First Amendment rights. 1455 01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:00.800 But what it is down to now is I I 1456 01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.640 think it was twenty thirteen, is if you lie about 1457 01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:11.399 purple hearts or valor awards or combat uh car combat 1458 01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:16.279 actually all the ib ch U c abs and uh 1459 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:17.560 what's the other on. 1460 01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:20.199 CMB. 1461 01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.319 So if you lie about those those very narrow things 1462 01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:29.800 valor awards, purple hearts or combat awards is a federal crime. 1463 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:34.520 Well, but there's even a bigger caveat for specific monetary. 1464 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:35.960 Monetary game for monetary game. 1465 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:42.840 Correct, So somebody walking around saying that they were Delta 1466 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.439 Force and you know, did all these that's not that's 1467 01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:47.720 not stolen valor as. 1468 01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:48.439 It's labeled as a crime. 1469 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:51.920 We might say it's stolen valor, but but we have 1470 01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:53.279 to say that it's it's like. 1471 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:55.039 A small S small V stolen valor. 1472 01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:58.359 It's not actually like like Tim's entire book, that's a 1473 01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:00.720 small S small V. Right, like he he made up 1474 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.000 a bunch of war stories. That's but if he's lying 1475 01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.239 about I call it stolen valor. But I mean, well, 1476 01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:08.279 he didn't lie about val words in the book that 1477 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:10.520 was on his Facebook page and over the place. But 1478 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.880 like I'm just giving your audience context, like a bunch 1479 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:16.319 of made up war stories, like Dave saying, that's not 1480 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:19.079 like official stolen ballot. 1481 01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:22.000 Right, So a lot of times when we say stolen valor, 1482 01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:25.399 and I've changed my language a lot, and I rarely 1483 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:31.319 say stolen valor now, all like like Tim Waltz, Steve 1484 01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:34.880 Slayton out of Arizona, the Republican candidate who got torpedoed 1485 01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:37.239 for lying about being on these secret ops, Tim Waltz 1486 01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:42.600 about his time in combat, Troy Nels, the Republican who 1487 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:46.159 was wearing CIB when all he was authorized was a 1488 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:46.600 C A B. 1489 01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:47.840 You know, things like. 1490 01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:51.680 This, and and again like this isn't political. We should 1491 01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:53.159 call it out wherever we see. 1492 01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:57.399 It, especially with public officials, especially with public officials, Yes, sir, 1493 01:12:57.800 --> 01:12:59.840 but but the thing is is. 1494 01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:01.520 That it so talking about storm dollar. 1495 01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:04.079 Like we have the guys in the mall wearing uniforms 1496 01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:06.239 that they bought at the Army Navy trying to get 1497 01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:07.680 you know, a starter. 1498 01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:10.560 The homeless guy in an army shirt, right, yep. 1499 01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:14.199 But what's really weird to me is when we see 1500 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:18.119 it inside the service, and we see it two different ways. 1501 01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:19.680 I think we see it with people. 1502 01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:25.560 Who you know, we're a fuel depot operator and say 1503 01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:27.760 that you know they were an know three to eleven 1504 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:29.600 or that they were s or that they were this 1505 01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.720 or that. Ye, And then we see it in our 1506 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.640 own right, we see it with like Tim Kennedy and 1507 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:39.800 Chris Kyle. There may be another personality out there making 1508 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:44.439 the rounds talking about acting his way through Afghan checkpoints, 1509 01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.159 which we all know is not something. 1510 01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:47.479 That one is. 1511 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:49.840 Yeah, there's there's somebody on my radar too. I'm not 1512 01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:52.039 gonna say, but yeah, there's a few more that there's 1513 01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:52.880 some potential too. 1514 01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:56.000 And so you know, I'm curious what you think and 1515 01:13:56.079 --> 01:14:00.800 both of you, really, where do you are these people 1516 01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:04.279 just habitual liars and at any point along the way 1517 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:06.199 if they hadn't been in the military, where they lie 1518 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.560 and say they're a military or are they people who 1519 01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:13.359 are unimpressed by what they did, even if they did 1520 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:15.960 great things and always want it to be a little 1521 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:16.359 bit more. 1522 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.479 Oh, I mean, yeah, I guess I'll take that. I 1523 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:23.720 think for one, I want to say what let me 1524 01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:26.880 say what's worse? Okay, because I think I want people 1525 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:30.079 to know this. What's worse? A is a Green Beret 1526 01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:34.000 lying about having valor awards worse than a homeless guy 1527 01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:37.039 on the street wearing an armyp T shirt. Kami, Yes, 1528 01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:41.720 eight million, thousand times percent. Tim Kennedy's stolen valor to 1529 01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:45.880 me is ten thousand times worse than the marine cook 1530 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.399 who said that he was an infantryman. Why, well, because 1531 01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:52.840 the expectations are a thousand times higher on you for 1532 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:55.680 your character, right, Okay, So that's that's where I want 1533 01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:58.680 to come from from there. Why they do it? Oh 1534 01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:01.720 my god, that is we're getting it. We need to 1535 01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:07.239 get a psychiatrist on that, because again, like especially in 1536 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.840 the soft ranks. Right and let me let me just 1537 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:13.800 talk about Rob O'Neil. Okay, as a example, I don't 1538 01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:16.880 beat Rob O'Neil up because Rob O'Neil is a fucking 1539 01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:21.039 war hero. The dude has silver stars, not from that 1540 01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:26.720 fucking operation. He is well known as a badass, motherfucking warfighter. However, Comma, 1541 01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:30.399 we also have this other fucking side of the coin, 1542 01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:33.840 where he very obviously didn't kill Osama bin Lauden and 1543 01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.560 has written books and then made millions of dollars off 1544 01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:40.880 of those fake stories. How do we get that psychologically? 1545 01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:47.239 I have no idea because I can't transplant myself into 1546 01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:51.960 the brain of that, because I am so hyper careful 1547 01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:55.119 myself about when I talk about these things to make 1548 01:15:55.159 --> 01:16:00.119 sure that I don't delineate from the truth at all, 1549 01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:04.760 that I can't comprehend about how these dudes can just 1550 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:10.039 blatantly lie to not only like the American people's faces, 1551 01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:15.880 but like that's like, we know it's not true, and 1552 01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:19.720 you're telling us to our faces. We're fucking dumb. So 1553 01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:23.840 maybe Jack's got a better take that out of me psychologically, 1554 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:26.520 But for me, I don't understand it. I wish I 1555 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.840 had a better answer for that, but I just I 1556 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:29.319 don't know. 1557 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:32.199 Yeah, no, I don't think I have necessarily a good 1558 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:36.079 answer or a satisfying answer. I think, yeah, you're right, 1559 01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:41.479 these people are driven by massive insecurities, and. 1560 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:42.840 We've we've touched upon it a little bit. 1561 01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:46.359 I mean, there are a lot of insecurities and special operations. 1562 01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:48.840 I mean we're oh yeah, We're always testing each other, 1563 01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:52.159 testing ourselves. Am I good enough? You know the self 1564 01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:54.640 talk that you mentioned, You know what? I live up 1565 01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:56.520 to these guys. Am I as good as that guy 1566 01:16:56.560 --> 01:17:00.079 over there. There's a lot of that, But most of 1567 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:04.560 of us have that inner dialogue of like, you know, 1568 01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:06.960 this is what is real and this is what is not. 1569 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:12.600 And some folks, yeah, are just so insecure that they 1570 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:13.560 feel they need to do that. 1571 01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:14.479 It's sad for me. 1572 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:19.159 I think it's sad, And I actually don't like the 1573 01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:22.199 term I'm nitpicking stupid stuff. I don't like stolen valor 1574 01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:27.720 as a term, because nobody can steal whatever you did, Nate, Like, 1575 01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:29.199 those are your experiences. 1576 01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:30.399 Whatever Dave did. 1577 01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:33.760 The guy walking around the mall pretending he was a 1578 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:37.439 colonel in Delta Force is not taking anything away from 1579 01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:39.399 the service of any real soldier. 1580 01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:41.000 I understand there are real concerns. 1581 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:43.359 Some of these people are like defrauding women and it's 1582 01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:48.119 terrible stuff. Yeah, sure, but I don't I don't like 1583 01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:50.520 on a personal level. I don't get jazzed up about 1584 01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:53.239 that so much. But you are right when it comes 1585 01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:56.920 to guys within the ranks, the expectation of someone who 1586 01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.239 is a ranger or a seal or a Green Beret 1587 01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:02.039 is higher, and we expect that you're at least going 1588 01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:06.720 to make an effort to tell an honest perspective if 1589 01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:07.359 you decide to. 1590 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:12.079 I do think let's let's be honest. Though, we got 1591 01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:17.079 to talk about monetary game. Yes, it has been massively lucrative. 1592 01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:20.960 Millions and millions and millions of dollars that have been 1593 01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:25.279 made off of guys like Lattrelle and Kennedy and Rob 1594 01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.880 O'Neil so and and Jocko. Not saying I'm not lumping 1595 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:32.239 Jocko in with them, but I'm saying there is millions 1596 01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:35.359 and millions of dollars to be made in this arena, 1597 01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:40.000 and I do think that we can't discredit that completely 1598 01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:44.239 as well as a huge portion for some of these guys. 1599 01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.880 And the reason why I say that the Tim Kennedy debacco, 1600 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:50.039 I think is the best case of that because what 1601 01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:54.920 he decided was when he got caught by the veteran community. 1602 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:57.520 Right when we all we saw the anti hero podcast. 1603 01:18:57.560 --> 01:18:59.199 I put out all the times he's lied about the 1604 01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:02.000 Valler Woods. He got the veteran community, the soft community. 1605 01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:05.960 We all said, Okay, he's exposed, he decided to come 1606 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:08.640 up with the crazy rebuttals and like try to fight it, 1607 01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:12.720 do the Lance Armstrong thing, so that he basically said, 1608 01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:14.600 I don't give a shit about the veteran community. I 1609 01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:18.000 don't care about the soft community. I'm going to Playkate 1610 01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:20.880 to the civilians who don't know better and try to 1611 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:24.840 hold on for dear life to that monetary section of 1612 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:30.520 my demographic. So I do think millions of dollars in 1613 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:33.720 fame I think is enticing right. So I think that 1614 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:34.479 does have a big part. 1615 01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:36.600 I agree. 1616 01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:38.119 And you know, we were kind of talking about this 1617 01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:41.680 before the show. But when we see people and I'm 1618 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:46.760 going to talk about like Wayne Simmons, who was on 1619 01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:50.159 Fox for a long time during the gy as a CIA, 1620 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:54.279 you know, expert former CIA who is never in the CIA. 1621 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:57.439 You know, we talk about Malcolm Nance and a lot 1622 01:19:57.439 --> 01:19:59.399 of like the lies, you know, the things that he 1623 01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:03.720 said is getting him the positions, and you know, Tim 1624 01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:09.000 that that somehow these people who are willing to go 1625 01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:12.960 out there and say things that can be that can 1626 01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:16.840 be disproven, but but by the time they catch that momentum, 1627 01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:19.479 we're just like the people who can disprove it are 1628 01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:23.279 just like little reedy voices, you know, like they're up 1629 01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:24.039 there already. 1630 01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:27.439 And go to go to Tim Kennedy's Instagram post where 1631 01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:30.880 he admitted last night that he doesn't have our words 1632 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:32.720 and purple hearts, and look at the comment section and 1633 01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:36.640 look at the twenty thousand likes that are on that video. Yeah, 1634 01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:39.279 like we we talked about me and the Anti Hero podcast. 1635 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:42.600 My videos have done half a million views on Tim Kennedy. Yeah, 1636 01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:46.000 I think that's that's baby numbers to compare to the 1637 01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:49.319 average person that sees him on Fox News that has 1638 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:51.920 no fucking clue, right, no clue, and they're not going 1639 01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:54.880 to right and they can, Like you said, these are 1640 01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:57.439 just tiny little voices that like the community knows, the 1641 01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:00.319 veteran community knows, but like from large scale. Was just 1642 01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:04.279 on Fox News three days ago talking about the Lisensburger thing, right, 1643 01:21:04.319 --> 01:21:07.960 So it obviously it's not reaching like what you're talking about. 1644 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:11.439 Even with that, And this is the biggest most exposed 1645 01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:14.720 case of a soft dude being a fraud that we've 1646 01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:18.159 ever seen. And again he's doing fine, Like. 1647 01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:21.720 What do you what can you do? 1648 01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:26.039 Like the media, the media complex, you know, and right left, 1649 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:28.039 it doesn't matter they're not going to turn their back 1650 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:29.640 on the people that they invested in. 1651 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:32.840 No, neither, and here's big let's call it more spades 1652 01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:34.640 of spade, and neither is the Department of Defense or 1653 01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:37.359 Special Forces Committment. Right Why because this dude has been 1654 01:21:37.399 --> 01:21:40.239 an amazing fucking recruiting tool for the last fifteen years. 1655 01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:44.479 UFC fighter Jason Born, Tim Kennedy, Green Beret. Yeah, they're 1656 01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:46.880 they're not about to interject themselves into this ship. And 1657 01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:49.560 now again, I think he's a liability now, and I 1658 01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:52.319 think they might realize that. I think we're going to 1659 01:21:52.359 --> 01:21:54.079 find some things coming out of use in SoC here 1660 01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:58.239 pretty soon. But to your guys' point, like they like 1661 01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:01.760 the news media, the apparatus, the DoD like they don't 1662 01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:04.399 give a shit about our quarrels and exposing stuff. 1663 01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:07.279 This is another thing that I wanted to bring up 1664 01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:10.600 during this show when talking about responsibility. 1665 01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:12.640 Do we have a responsibility to speak out? 1666 01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:15.920 Do you think the commands have a responsibility to speak 1667 01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:19.000 out at a certain point, like does it reach a 1668 01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:23.279 level of let's call it stolen valor that there is 1669 01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:27.680 a real responsibility for the command to come forward and say, 1670 01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:31.319 you know, just factually this is what happened. 1671 01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:33.039 This is what happened. This is what happened. 1672 01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:36.880 Do you think it gets to that point or do 1673 01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:37.960 you think it gets there? 1674 01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:40.079 And when does it get there? 1675 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:44.640 Do they have a responsibility to yes? Will they know why? 1676 01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:47.000 Because look at Marcus Latrell's story. He just came out 1677 01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:48.680 on a podcast the other day talking about how the 1678 01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:50.399 Navy wrote that book for him, sent him on a 1679 01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:52.239 book tour, gave him all his lawyers, and then send 1680 01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:53.720 him on his way to so that he could be 1681 01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:57.119 the great recruiting tool tool for the US Navy for 1682 01:22:57.159 --> 01:22:59.880 the next fifteen years. The Navy did that. Marcus said that, 1683 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:02.399 I'm not saying that I showed that in an episode 1684 01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:05.840 on podcast he did. I'm not knocking Marcus for that. 1685 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:09.960 I'm saying the Navy did that. So do I have 1686 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:12.600 any expectations that command is going to come out and 1687 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:13.560 do the right thing? 1688 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:14.039 No? 1689 01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:16.600 Could they. The Sergeant major of the Army was just 1690 01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:19.920 on the Jedburgh podcast. You're telling me you couldn't have 1691 01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:23.479 the first Special Forces Command commander come on and talk 1692 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:26.479 about how we're going to look into the biggest fraud 1693 01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:29.039 of a Green Beret that's ever existed of course they could. 1694 01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:31.760 Will they. No, I don't think they're going to touch 1695 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:33.159 it with a ten foot pole. I think they're gonna 1696 01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:35.760 let him. I think it's it might be getting to 1697 01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:38.960 the point now I will say this, Tim Kennedy did 1698 01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:41.600 not come out and admit to all this stuff last 1699 01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:43.960 night for no reason. Okay, he didn't do it out 1700 01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:45.680 of the goodness of his heart. Let's leave it at that. 1701 01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:47.640 We'll see how that plays out over the next week, 1702 01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:50.159 a couple weeks. He's not a great it's not because 1703 01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:53.600 he just decided had this moral epiphany that like, oh, 1704 01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:56.439 I should probably be honest. Now there's some reasons, so 1705 01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.119 I do think at some point, when it becomes a 1706 01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:03.560 massive liability to the Special Forces Regiment or the DoD 1707 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:08.159 you gotta do something right. But will they. I don't 1708 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:11.439 have a whole lot of confidence. I just don't. I've 1709 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:14.000 never and and maybe this is biased as an NCO, 1710 01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:17.640 but I have just never had any faith in the 1711 01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:20.640 General Officer Corps to do the right thing. I look 1712 01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:22.479 at guys like General Millie, I look at guys like 1713 01:24:22.479 --> 01:24:26.000 General Austin, and I just don't. Man, Like, you haven't 1714 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:28.239 produced anything to tell me that you're going to do 1715 01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:31.000 the right thing. Okay, So that's where I come from 1716 01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:31.159 on that. 1717 01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:32.760 Yeah. 1718 01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:35.359 The other thing that was interesting or that is interesting 1719 01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:36.960 to me and Jack and I were talking about this too, 1720 01:24:37.079 --> 01:24:40.199 is that these people, like the people that we've talked about, 1721 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:42.800 who will go out there and blake me light in 1722 01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:46.880 a world where people know the truth, in a world 1723 01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:49.800 like you're not telling some girl in a bar where 1724 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:52.039 she has no way of fact checking you. You're not 1725 01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:56.560 like behind the scenes telling producers the secret things that 1726 01:24:56.640 --> 01:25:00.520 you can't say. You're out there. You know people are 1727 01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:02.399 are going to see through it. 1728 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:06.800 Did you see my video this morning, Tim Kennedy? The 1729 01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:14.520 the International Sports Hall of Fame induction was introduced as 1730 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:17.159 having a bronze star medal with valor in front of 1731 01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:21.159 Arnold Schwarzenegger. So, like you just said, they like that 1732 01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:26.520 is is in your face as it gets lies And 1733 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:29.600 in twenty nineteen, this wasn't even two thousand and nine. 1734 01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:31.239 You can always say, well, I don't know why they 1735 01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:33.840 said this, Like, no, you gave them your bio to read. 1736 01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:37.680 That's your script, right, that's your script, you know? Yeah, 1737 01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:39.960 of course, And I will say this because the more 1738 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:43.079 i've like I've unpackaged this with the Valor Awards statements. 1739 01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:45.279 What Tim has done other than when he said it 1740 01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:47.239 on his own Facebook page and he fucked up and 1741 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:49.239 he'd put it on his own website. Right, he has 1742 01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:51.880 specifically done it on his own channels. But what he's 1743 01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:54.520 been really good about because I showed thirty different times 1744 01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:58.279 this has happened. In interviews. He'll get the interviewer to 1745 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:01.920 introduce him as someone with a bronze star medal with 1746 01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:06.159 Valor and he won't refute it. He won't acknowledge it. Yeah, 1747 01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:08.680 And I've picked it apart and I've been very careful 1748 01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:11.279 to see how he does it. He doesn't refute it, 1749 01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:13.399 but he also want to, Like he doesn't acknowledge it, 1750 01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:16.279 but he also doesn't say hey stop, you know what 1751 01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:18.399 I mean? So he's very he's very he's not dumb, 1752 01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:21.920 he's clever, right, but like it's caught up at. 1753 01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:24.079 The Yeah, Malcolm Nan says that he does the same 1754 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:27.680 thing where when he's shown on like a newscast or whatever, 1755 01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:32.239 it'll say like naval intelligence officer or counter terrorism intelligence officerare. 1756 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:33.840 It's never intelligence officer. He was a he was a 1757 01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:34.920 sing guy in the Navy. 1758 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:37.840 Right, and and the thing is like, if he's not 1759 01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:39.840 saying it, is it his fault? 1760 01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:43.880 Well, I say yes, because like, here's the thing. If 1761 01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:46.560 I came on your Guys' podcast and Jack introduced me 1762 01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:50.279 as Silver Star recipient Nate Krnakia, and I just sat 1763 01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:53.159 silently and let the fucking episode go on. No, that 1764 01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:56.359 is me acknowledging that I have a fucking silver Star period, 1765 01:26:56.720 --> 01:26:59.159 like it is my duty. And I would I would panic, 1766 01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:02.319 I would like, oh my god, Jack, please no, like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, 1767 01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:05.600 let's back this up. I do not have right. But no, 1768 01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:08.760 when you're when you that video, I say, where he 1769 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:11.680 he's sitting there like his face getting talked to when 1770 01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:15.119 it's like Tim Kennedy Valor Award or like Bronzar Medal 1771 01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:18.159 with b device for Valor under fire and then he 1772 01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:21.840 stands up and walks to the podium and gives his speech. No, 1773 01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:25.479 so sorry, so that's a that's a no go. 1774 01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:28.640 So the the time to kind of cap off. 1775 01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:30.520 Like one of the things I think about these people 1776 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:34.640 who like make these things up and then get so 1777 01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:37.399 much acclaim for it because they're out there, like a 1778 01:27:37.399 --> 01:27:40.359 lot of them, some of them are running charitable foundations, 1779 01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:41.079 right like. 1780 01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:45.079 But but these people, I think that there's an element. 1781 01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:46.840 I don't I don't want to call him narcissist because 1782 01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:49.560 I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but there has 1783 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:50.920 to be an element of narcissism. 1784 01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:54.239 There. Are you there, Nate, Yeah, I'm here. Can you 1785 01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:55.479 guys hear me, We hear you. 1786 01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:56.199 We just can't see you. 1787 01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:58.720 I might. I might have lost my camera stand by one, Okay, 1788 01:27:58.720 --> 01:27:59.920 I can I have to switch to the shitty cam 1789 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:02.319 for the end of this. Yeah. 1790 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:06.479 So they these people, I think where we see the 1791 01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:08.399 narcissism on display is they. 1792 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:10.119 Are sorry, guys, we lost the good camera. 1793 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:11.119 I got you. 1794 01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:15.159 They are far more successful in the public sphere than 1795 01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:17.600 people who actually did the jobs they said they were doing, 1796 01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:20.720 which just goes to show. 1797 01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:25.119 It speaks to a sort of corruption of the institutions 1798 01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:29.680 as a whole, like this media complex and the special 1799 01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:33.159 forces or I should just say military commands, the CIA 1800 01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:37.039 in some instances that they're all sort of either turning 1801 01:28:37.039 --> 01:28:39.680 a blind eye or not doing the right thing, or 1802 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:43.399 blatantly doing the wrong thing. That leads to these sorts 1803 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:47.359 of some of the worst grossest voices rising to the top. 1804 01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:51.920 Right, yes, no, And I've called I've called it kind 1805 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:54.119 of like the old guard purge. It's kind of like 1806 01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:56.279 a purge of the old soft guard. A lot of 1807 01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:59.920 these guys that they've been the face of the softcomming 1808 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:04.319 unity for ten fifteen years and they're being exposed. So 1809 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:08.720 the question is is, like what happens next. I think 1810 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:12.560 it's good, right, because I just had I would say, 1811 01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:14.920 three hours ago, a group of dudes from the Q 1812 01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:17.319 course who were in language school, who reached out to me. 1813 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.920 They were like, I love your show, Like, hey, keep 1814 01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:24.199 doing what you're doing. We love that you're exposing shithead 1815 01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:26.920 green berets. We all look up to you. YadA, YadA, YadA. 1816 01:29:27.479 --> 01:29:29.359 What that tells me is like we have, like we 1817 01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:32.600 have the young generation still coming up, still coming through, 1818 01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:36.359 and they're still looking up to guys, right, and the 1819 01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:38.079 guys that they're looking up to. If there are all 1820 01:29:38.079 --> 01:29:42.079 these like shithead grifters like that, are that are writing 1821 01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:45.640 books about carrying rucksacks full of fifty fucking grenades, right, 1822 01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:48.960 like throwing grenades at women and children, that's the example 1823 01:29:49.039 --> 01:29:52.239 that we're setting for that next generation. No, I don't 1824 01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:53.760 think we can do that and I think again, when 1825 01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.840 you talk about having a responsibility to call these things out, 1826 01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:01.600 I think that's where the responsibility it also falls is like, 1827 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:05.760 I'm not like Jay over at Greenbery Chronicles or Jake's 1828 01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:08.479 wegg that are like hyper focused on developing the next generation. 1829 01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:10.520 I don't have the time for it. But I still 1830 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.159 try to do mentorship here and there. But I mean like, 1831 01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:15.920 I'm also still trying to be a good representation for 1832 01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:18.199 those dudes. And again, I know, I did a whole 1833 01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:19.960 video about how not to look up to me. I'm 1834 01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:23.359 not your role model, YadA, YadA, YadA, but as a whole, 1835 01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:26.600 like the guys that are trying to go into the military, 1836 01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:30.600 into soft combat, arms, infantry, whatever you're doing, I remember 1837 01:30:30.680 --> 01:30:32.840 I looked up to those guys too, man, and it's 1838 01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:36.800 just natural. So having good I've said this from the 1839 01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:40.680 start of my channel. Having good representations of what it 1840 01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:43.039 means to be a soft soldier, I think is hyper 1841 01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:46.600 important in this social media spage because everybody I get 1842 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:52.479 this comment all the time, you should be a silent professional, YadA, YadA, YadA. 1843 01:30:52.520 --> 01:30:56.600 It's twenty twenty five, right, social media chat GPT. There 1844 01:30:56.680 --> 01:31:00.079 is no more like while your active duties. Yeah, one 1845 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:02.920 hundred percent. You should not be like, but to tell 1846 01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:05.920 me as a veteran that that's in twenty twenty five, 1847 01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:09.359 I can't talk about these things, right, like pound sand Man, Right, 1848 01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:11.439 But again that that's kind of my take is, like 1849 01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:13.720 we do kind of have a responsibility to shore up 1850 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:16.640 our own make sure our ship bags, because I think 1851 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:18.359 about it in the company or in the team room. 1852 01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:20.039 If I get a ship bag on a team or 1853 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:23.079 in the company, we take care of that, right, we 1854 01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:25.800 take care of that. Dude, he does not. He gets 1855 01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:28.319 kicked off the team, He gets sent to the arms room. Right, 1856 01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:30.680 So why should it be any different when we get 1857 01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:33.720 out in the veteran community. Why should we stop policing 1858 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:35.239 our own. That's kind of my take on it. 1859 01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:39.000 I guess, Yeah, where in your mind's eye, if we're 1860 01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:41.640 to like skip forward a little bit, where do you 1861 01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.079 see this going for Tim Kennedy? Like I think Brent 1862 01:31:44.239 --> 01:31:47.119 is going to keep making podcasts of every chapter of 1863 01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:48.760 Tim's book for the. 1864 01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:52.600 Yeah, he's only he's only two chapters, like the chapter book. 1865 01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:55.359 I mean, where where do you see it going? You know, 1866 01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:57.960 over the long haul? For for Tim? 1867 01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:00.680 So I said for me, I said in this video, 1868 01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:03.560 he admitted he doesn't have Voer and Combat awards for me. 1869 01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:06.199 It's done. I've said in every single video that's all 1870 01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:09.239 I care about. He admitted I was right that his 1871 01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:12.960 whole Instagram post he acknowledges the things I put out 1872 01:32:13.000 --> 01:32:14.960 in my video. He didn't say anything about. He wasn't 1873 01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:16.760 talking about the anti here a podcast. He was talking 1874 01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:19.000 about the dude that exposed him for lying about val 1875 01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:22.720 forwards and priple arts. That was my stuff. I hate 1876 01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:24.920 the way he did it because I promise you guys, 1877 01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:27.840 I was still holding out hope for Tim had he 1878 01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:31.840 come out and said the truth. I do not have 1879 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:34.199 these Valor awards. I am sorry. I should not have 1880 01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:37.560 misled people right and just took full ownership. I had 1881 01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:40.880 a video already recorded that was going to say, I 1882 01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:43.520 forgive Tim Kennedy and you should too, And I was 1883 01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:46.920 going to tell the American people, look, I don't what 1884 01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:49.520 he did isn't okay, but we can empathize with it. 1885 01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:54.039 He's this twenty three year old kid, green beret UFC fighter. 1886 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:57.479 He's getting paraded around front a sift company's by generals. 1887 01:32:57.520 --> 01:32:59.760 He's going on Joe Rogan. He's making millions of dollars, 1888 01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:03.880 Rifle Coffee Company five to eleven. The fame is intoxicating. 1889 01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:07.079 He's on Fox News, everybody loves him. He gets introduced 1890 01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:10.479 as having about our award. He lets it slide once, right, 1891 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:13.560 like we as men, we could understand as a twenty 1892 01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:16.920 three year old man, how that could. Sure. I was 1893 01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:19.840 prepared to give him that benefit of the doubt. And 1894 01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:24.359 his admitting to not having those valor and combat awards 1895 01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:27.479 was I never said I had them, And it was 1896 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:30.319 just like bro I did a whole episode of the 1897 01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:34.279 twenty five times that you had. Everybody's seen it, so 1898 01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:36.800 for me, it's over. But to get into where it 1899 01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:39.920 goes forward, yeah, I don't think. I don't think. I 1900 01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:42.800 think Brent's a dog with a bum. I think until 1901 01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:46.159 Tim Kennedy comes on that podcast, on the Anti Hero 1902 01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:50.800 podcast and admits to all these things, I don't think 1903 01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:53.119 he lets it go. And that's his right, you know 1904 01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:54.880 what I mean. He uncovered this, He can take it 1905 01:33:54.920 --> 01:33:57.079 as far as he wants to go. I never really 1906 01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:00.920 cared about the war stories. But what I think is 1907 01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:06.680 his reputation is forever destroyed in the sfsoft veteran community. 1908 01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:11.399 His comment section no matter what he posts is destroyed. 1909 01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:14.199 I do know that he's taking massive hits from sponsors 1910 01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:17.680 and companies that have already cut him off. But I 1911 01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:20.399 do think that again, like we talked about, he has 1912 01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:26.000 enough of a blind civilian boomer Fox News base that 1913 01:34:26.039 --> 01:34:29.279 he will be he will be fine to keep peddling 1914 01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:35.600 bullshit teaching courses to that specific demographic. I don't unless 1915 01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:38.880 the Department of Defense comes out. You see him, Jay's him, 1916 01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:43.439 pulls his tab and bray in front of everyone. I 1917 01:34:43.479 --> 01:34:46.359 think he's gonna keep on keeping on to and Tim 1918 01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:48.159 Kennedy thinks that's the way I. 1919 01:34:48.119 --> 01:34:52.079 Say, and that was the advantage if you were coming 1920 01:34:52.119 --> 01:34:57.399 out of the GYT before twenty ten, right when everybody 1921 01:34:57.640 --> 01:34:58.399 else was still. 1922 01:34:58.399 --> 01:34:59.399 You were first market. 1923 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:03.119 Yeah you're first to market, and you've got that ground 1924 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:03.880 part of it. 1925 01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:05.359 Yeah, you got that ground swell. 1926 01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:09.560 And now it's it's sort of like I mean, you know, 1927 01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:12.319 any heroes, A good sized podcast gets a lot of views. 1928 01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:14.720 Your good sized podcast get a lot of views. But 1929 01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:20.000 is that going to sway things when Fox has him on? 1930 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:20.840 Probably not? 1931 01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:23.760 No, of course, not like my video I do with 1932 01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:27.000 five hundred views on Tim Kennedy. Again, it's it. It 1933 01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:29.640 also is just placating to the same people who already 1934 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:33.680 know right, right, So it's the same group of veterans, 1935 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:36.600 soldiers and also civilians who are you know, into this 1936 01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:39.079 type of thing. They know already. Nothing I could put 1937 01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:41.039 out about the dude is going to shock anybody at 1938 01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:46.119 this point. And the people who blindly support him are 1939 01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:48.439 going to or they've got no clue. And they didn't 1940 01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:50.159 even seen my channel. They didn't even heard of the 1941 01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:52.680 anti hero podcast, right, they see him on Fox News 1942 01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:57.560 and whatever, you know at this point, Like I don't 1943 01:35:58.199 --> 01:35:59.640 I hate to say that, like I want to see 1944 01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.800 the dude lose everything because that's not true. Also, I 1945 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:06.920 just I just wanted like, and here's the crazy thing. 1946 01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.800 I've told this before, Like I've got pictures of me 1947 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:12.720 and Tim Kennedy together on my Instagram. I actually liked. 1948 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:14.760 I was one of the very few and I'm sure 1949 01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:17.119 you guys know the back channels. Tim Kennedy has been 1950 01:36:17.159 --> 01:36:19.960 a joke in the SF regiment for a decade and 1951 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:22.359 a half from within, like if you talk to any 1952 01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:24.760 green Berey, like in the company, what a douche, Right, 1953 01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:27.760 I was one of the very very few guys that 1954 01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:29.960 wanted to give this guy the benefit of doubt that 1955 01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:32.319 you know, was like, ah, yeah, you know he kinda 1956 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:35.319 he's you know, over the top, but you know he's 1957 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:38.560 good at recruiting. Like I would always sort of defend 1958 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:41.880 him a little bit, right, And so I wasn't a 1959 01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:44.520 Tim Ken hate Tim Kennedy hater to start, and there's 1960 01:36:44.560 --> 01:36:46.319 a lot of them in the SF regiment. I could 1961 01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:49.640 promise you that well before this whole thing happened, and 1962 01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:53.359 I just wanted to see him have some integrity and apologize. Man, 1963 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.560 that that was it. I said that from the very 1964 01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:59.399 first episode. Had he come out and just said I'm sorry, 1965 01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:02.319 right the day after the anti Hero podcast came out, 1966 01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:04.119 if he just came out and said, look, I'm sorry. 1967 01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:07.039 I was young. I embellished in things. I definitely shouldn't 1968 01:37:07.079 --> 01:37:11.159 have that book. I embellished it to make it more 1969 01:37:11.239 --> 01:37:13.560 enjoyable for the reader, and I'm sorry I shouldn't have 1970 01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:16.279 done that. Guys, boom Clay's closed. I never do a 1971 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:19.359 video anti hero podcast probably never doesn't fall up. Tim 1972 01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:21.680 Kennedy is doing just fine, right, But it was the 1973 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:25.119 narcissistic where he put a middle finger up to everybody 1974 01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:29.159 else and said, fuck you guys, you're you're the liars, 1975 01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:33.760 not me. It's it was the Lance Armstrong. Like Lance 1976 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:37.000 Armstrong did that same thing right he got caught. What 1977 01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:40.399 did he do well? He didn't go down quietly. He 1978 01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:43.600 told everybody else their liars. He called everybody else cheaters. 1979 01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:47.840 He attacked, you know, like other teammates, family members. The 1980 01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:52.000 difference is Lance Armstrong finally came out and came clean. Right, 1981 01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:54.840 And even then after all of that crazy shit with 1982 01:37:54.920 --> 01:37:58.680 Lance Armstrong, people forgave him right, they forgave him and 1983 01:37:58.720 --> 01:38:01.880 he was just fine. So my thing has always been like, 1984 01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:06.319 who is this dude's PR team? Because they are the 1985 01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:09.000 worst PR team I have ever seen in my entire life. 1986 01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:12.800 Because it was so easy to fix this from the start. 1987 01:38:13.720 --> 01:38:16.199 And and the thing is so like you say, if 1988 01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:19.319 you met a coule like you know, we we we 1989 01:38:19.399 --> 01:38:23.760 see it with politicians, whether it was Waltz or what 1990 01:38:23.800 --> 01:38:26.239 was Ronnie Uh, who's the who is the admiral who's 1991 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:32.880 busted down to captain but still calls himself Ronnie Jackson Republican? 1992 01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:34.359 And I think out of floora whatever. 1993 01:38:34.279 --> 01:38:37.479 Like he still calls himself like these people were Tim 1994 01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:39.760 Kennedy or they're always going to have a fan base. 1995 01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:43.359 Right So even if they were, even if they were 1996 01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:47.680 say yeah, it was a mistake, I'm sorry, people aren't 1997 01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:48.279 gonna leave. 1998 01:38:48.159 --> 01:38:51.920 Them, right Yeah. And I think I'm fine with that 1999 01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:54.159 with per Tim. If Tim wants to have his niche 2000 01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:56.159 fan base, he's got a social media following with a 2001 01:38:56.199 --> 01:39:00.159 million followers, and and that's it cool because he's not 2002 01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:03.319 going on any more podcasts and pedaling his stories right like, 2003 01:39:03.359 --> 01:39:07.239 he can't now, So we're taking that part of it 2004 01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:09.720 away to where he's not going to be the face 2005 01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:11.199 of soft He's not going to be the face of 2006 01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:15.239 green Bereats anymore. And again, I don't look he's he's 2007 01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:17.279 I don't think he's a terrible dude. I just think 2008 01:39:17.279 --> 01:39:22.000 he he's so it's such an egomaniac. He couldn't apologize. 2009 01:39:22.520 --> 01:39:25.039 I don't want him to like lose his livelihood. Sure, Like, 2010 01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:28.680 good have your circle, go do it away frombody everybody else. 2011 01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:32.560 Don't influence the next fucking generation, right, good on you. 2012 01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:34.520 No problems with that. That That's kind of where I'm 2013 01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:35.199 at with the whole thing. 2014 01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:39.600 Yeah, Nate, what is next for Valhalla VFT? 2015 01:39:39.960 --> 01:39:41.359 What's coming up in your future. 2016 01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:45.760 Oh god, uh man, I take this one day at 2017 01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:48.079 a time. Man, I've had no planning. I've had no 2018 01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:52.279 like path forward the whole way, which people think is 2019 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:56.119 crazy of like, you know, for content, I just kind 2020 01:39:56.119 --> 01:39:57.880 of like I put out the content I want. I 2021 01:39:57.880 --> 01:40:00.920 think that's what people like about me, is like I'm not. 2022 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:03.800 I think that I'm just willing to talk about things 2023 01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:05.920 that people won't talk about. And I think that's why 2024 01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:09.119 people like my channel. I you know, and I've had 2025 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:11.439 a lot of my buddies that are like, don't change, man, like, 2026 01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:13.720 don't take those big brand deals, and then decide like 2027 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:17.479 I can't, Like, you can't talk about sensitive topics anymore, right, 2028 01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:21.439 you can't talk about person X or person Y because 2029 01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:23.920 now you're in the fold, which I don't think I will. 2030 01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:25.720 I don't. I don't really give a shit, as you 2031 01:40:25.720 --> 01:40:28.560 guys can tell, like, I'm not worried about what people think. 2032 01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:30.479 I just do what I like. I surround myself with 2033 01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:32.319 the people I like. I like you guys, I like 2034 01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:35.279 the other guys I do content with. So for me, 2035 01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:37.119 I'm just gonna keep doing that type of content. I'm 2036 01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:39.800 gonna try to get away from. Of course, I'm gonna 2037 01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:42.239 I'm gonna cover current events if a green Break goes 2038 01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:44.520 out and blows himself in a Tesla cyber truck in 2039 01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:49.479 front of my right, like, that's gonna happen on my channel. 2040 01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:52.760 But I've got a couple ideas going forward. What i 2041 01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:56.079 want to do is start. I want to start giving 2042 01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:59.520 like platforms to sort of young and up and coming 2043 01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:04.520 soft or even regular infantry military guys that I like 2044 01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:08.960 that maybe wouldn't have gotten the platform otherwise, much like 2045 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:10.640 you guys did with me when I was a brand 2046 01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:12.640 new channel. I had a few people do that. And 2047 01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:14.039 then I want to start. I know this is going 2048 01:41:14.079 --> 01:41:16.720 to sound corny. I want to start the Real War 2049 01:41:16.760 --> 01:41:20.920 Heroes podcast, where I have on guys I know personally 2050 01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:25.640 that are legit, badass war fighters with real stories. Right, 2051 01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:29.479 whether they are Fallujah Marines or whether they're Delta Force 2052 01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:33.159 operators does not matter to me. To let the American 2053 01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:36.199 people hear the stories. I know this is kind of petty, right, 2054 01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:39.479 but to let the American people hear the stories, the 2055 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:42.000 real stories of the dudes who did this for real, 2056 01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:45.840 instead of a lot of the stories that we've been 2057 01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:47.319 hearing over the last ten to fifteen. 2058 01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:50.399 I mean that's what we try to do on the 2059 01:41:50.439 --> 01:41:53.680 Team House. I mean, yeah, most of these episodes were 2060 01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:56.279 trying to find guys who are a good representation from 2061 01:41:56.319 --> 01:42:01.560 their unit. You know, someone pitches someone to me and 2062 01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:04.119 they have a bunch of war crimes charges hanging over 2063 01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:06.760 their head. I'm sort of like, maybe not that guy 2064 01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:10.399 right now, Like, maybe maybe find someone else from that unit, 2065 01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:13.760 who will you know, represent you know what. We hope 2066 01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:17.479 young people would aspire to be somewhere down the line, 2067 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:22.079 and I think we usually succeed in this mission. 2068 01:42:22.920 --> 01:42:24.920 Yeah, sometimes we might fall short, but. 2069 01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:29.239 Yeah, well well I was just gonna say, like, I 2070 01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:33.039 like your idea too, especially if it's not really an interval, 2071 01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:38.399 because there's something fun about sitting around with bros telling 2072 01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:40.399 dumb ass war stories that. 2073 01:42:40.319 --> 01:42:42.239 Well, I think that's that's the idea. I don't want 2074 01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:44.800 it to be like a real podcast interview, more like 2075 01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:46.319 like you guys like a team room, Like you sit 2076 01:42:46.359 --> 01:42:48.640 here and shoot the ship with guys that I know 2077 01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:49.159 are legit. 2078 01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:53.600 Yeah think that's yeah, Yeah, I mean it's just I 2079 01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:55.319 don't know. There's a lot of funny. 2080 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:57.039 Moments there, a lot of heroing moments, Like the most 2081 01:42:57.119 --> 01:43:01.800 ridiculous moments that come up. But you know, even when 2082 01:43:01.800 --> 01:43:04.239 you were carrying a backpack full of fifty grenades that 2083 01:43:04.840 --> 01:43:07.760 have slightly straightened pins and no safeties. 2084 01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:16.239 You know what gets me. What gets me is. 2085 01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:19.479 You can tell war stories, and you can tell war 2086 01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:23.760 stories that would pass muster with us where we'd like 2087 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:26.640 where if I wasn't there, I wouldn't know you were 2088 01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:29.720 lying right right, But then you decided to tell us, 2089 01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:30.159 Then you. 2090 01:43:32.199 --> 01:43:34.079 Must not have seen what I did. And one of 2091 01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:37.640 the first episodes I did about tim where where I 2092 01:43:37.680 --> 01:43:40.159 explained how easy it is to lie about war stories. 2093 01:43:40.640 --> 01:43:44.039 I told this big, elaborate war story about our time 2094 01:43:44.039 --> 01:43:46.399 in Musiclay and Hellman and how we were working with 2095 01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:48.640 a Marisak team and we started taking all this fire 2096 01:43:48.720 --> 01:43:52.239 and we had an Australian peel and like our CCT 2097 01:43:52.439 --> 01:43:55.159 got shot in the calf and all this shit right, 2098 01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:57.680 And then at the end of the story, I just say, 2099 01:43:57.960 --> 01:43:59.880 by the way, that was my best friend in eight 2100 01:44:00.159 --> 01:44:03.239 Zulu's story, I was never there. He was making carsok 2101 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:05.920 in two thousand and nine. Why because I've heard him 2102 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.159 tell that story and it's an awesome story, And that's 2103 01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:11.399 how easy it is for guys like us to tell 2104 01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:15.000 a story that passes the sniff test, but it's bullshit, 2105 01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:17.399 you know what I mean. But when you say I 2106 01:44:17.439 --> 01:44:19.079 think I don't know, I think I'm gonna talked about 2107 01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:22.000 in the last podcast in twenty eighteen, in rus Gone, 2108 01:44:22.199 --> 01:44:25.119 we were in a grenade heavy area. My teammates got 2109 01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:27.760 fucked up, got fucked up in a grenade battle. From 2110 01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:31.079 over the top of compound woles. We started carrying way 2111 01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:34.920 more grenades than most people ever would on a mission. 2112 01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:38.279 And I tell people, way more grenades than everybody carries. 2113 01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:43.479 Was like five frags, an incendiary and a thermobarrack, not 2114 01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:47.840 a fucksack full of rifty grenades. Also, I tell people, 2115 01:44:47.880 --> 01:44:50.560 I'm like, do you know what it's like to throw 2116 01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:53.680 to like pull pins, prep grenades and throw them while 2117 01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:58.680 you're being shot at. This is not like a process. 2118 01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:01.880 You're like, oh shit, the pin. But I get this right, 2119 01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:05.560 the fucking tape right, Like it's sort of throw Like 2120 01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:08.520 in his book he throws twenty five grenades into a 2121 01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:10.399 building as they were running up to it. 2122 01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.520 You know, it's like that, Yeah, it's like an auto 2123 01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:15.760 He's like an auto launcher. But the thing is like, 2124 01:45:15.800 --> 01:45:18.800 can you imagine can you imagine at night under noods 2125 01:45:19.079 --> 01:45:23.800 having fifty loose grenades with their with their pins all tangled, 2126 01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:27.760 you know, the spoons like oh in a back in 2127 01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:31.159 a backpack, you pull out one and the entire bag 2128 01:45:31.239 --> 01:45:35.640 goes off in a truck, just rattling around in like this. 2129 01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:39.239 Yeah, oh my god, Yeah, that's that's the insanity. 2130 01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:42.399 Did you guys used to you guys, like, I mean, everybody, 2131 01:45:42.439 --> 01:45:44.439 did you, like you straighten the pins just a little 2132 01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:47.079 bit to make them easier to pull, right. 2133 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:49.079 We would We would cut one of the pins at 2134 01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:50.960 the base and then pull the other one off, so 2135 01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:52.960 all you would have to do is basically unfold one 2136 01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:56.439 pin and pull because yeah, two pins rolled down like that, 2137 01:45:56.960 --> 01:46:00.800 the bullets start flying. You got gloves on, Yeah. 2138 01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:02.680 Forget about it. You're not pulling it out with your teeth. 2139 01:46:02.760 --> 01:46:07.159 Yeah yeah, no, no, no, So yeah, some guys, some 2140 01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:10.359 guys would do the straighten yea, and but we yeah, 2141 01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:11.680 that's the way we would do it. We cut one 2142 01:46:11.720 --> 01:46:13.760 of the pins completely and then just fold the other, 2143 01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:15.079 so all you got to do is just pull one 2144 01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:15.600 up and then. 2145 01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:16.039 Pull it out. 2146 01:46:16.159 --> 01:46:18.279 So for people who don't know what we're talking about 2147 01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:21.760 on a fried grenade on on you know, Thermo barracks 2148 01:46:21.760 --> 01:46:25.039 and everything. But they have pins, which is so you 2149 01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:28.760 have your spoon which leads into the fuse. Uh, and 2150 01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:31.439 then the pin is what keeps that spoon in place, 2151 01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:33.359 so you have to pull that pin out. 2152 01:46:33.399 --> 01:46:33.560 Well. 2153 01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:35.680 The pins when they're when they come. 2154 01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:37.359 From the keep talking. I'm just gonna pick something real quick. 2155 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:40.439 They come from the factory. The pins are like too pronged, 2156 01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:43.079 like you know, or it's like a pronged pin like 2157 01:46:43.119 --> 01:46:48.239 a ring, and then they're folded back up against the spoon, 2158 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:54.720 so it it's very tough. It's almost impossible really to 2159 01:46:54.840 --> 01:46:58.279 just pull the pin without straightening the ends first, so 2160 01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:00.680 you always kind of pre strate number do something to 2161 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:02.680 make them easier to pull under dress. 2162 01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:05.800 But who do we have Friday? 2163 01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:10.640 Coming up Friday, we have a career CIA officer, someone 2164 01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:13.119 who actually Rick Prado introduced me to Nice. 2165 01:47:13.159 --> 01:47:14.960 I'm so excited to have him back show. 2166 01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:17.119 I'm back with the real camera, Nate. 2167 01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:21.199 Uh, you know, any final thoughts. I encourage everyone to 2168 01:47:21.239 --> 01:47:24.239 go check out Valhalla vf T. I love this channel 2169 01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:28.319 to go subscribe to to Nate's channel. Any final thoughts 2170 01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:30.039 or anything else you want to talk about before we 2171 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:30.840 get going tonight. 2172 01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:36.079 Uh, I did have something. There was something I was 2173 01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:37.880 going to talk about that I wanted to talk about, 2174 01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:41.119 and I'm trying to think about it, but I can't remember. 2175 01:47:41.840 --> 01:47:43.680 Wait did we talk about it before? Did we talk 2176 01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:44.560 about it before the show? 2177 01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:51.680 I think it had to do I think you had 2178 01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:52.960 to do with Livin's burger. 2179 01:47:53.159 --> 01:47:54.560 Maybe not the cyber truck. 2180 01:47:54.640 --> 01:47:57.199 Oh yes, the thing I did want to talk about 2181 01:47:57.239 --> 01:47:59.520 Matt Livins burger. Okay, And I want to get your 2182 01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:02.760 guys take on this because it is fucking pissing me 2183 01:48:02.840 --> 01:48:06.359 off the more I see it. What I'm seeing because 2184 01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:10.039 he was a Green Beret. When Tim Kennedy comes out 2185 01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:12.720 on Fox News talking about it, Sean Ryan and sand 2186 01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:17.079 Shoemaker and all these guys, everybody keeps talking about how 2187 01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:19.600 what a great guy this is and that like the 2188 01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:21.880 way he did this, he set this up so that 2189 01:48:22.039 --> 01:48:25.880 nobody would get injured, and like and all these things 2190 01:48:25.880 --> 01:48:29.199 about how he was a good person and YadA, YadA, YadA. 2191 01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:32.760 I'm not giving this fucking dude a pass, you know why, 2192 01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:36.880 because he put he basically built a shody asked v Bed, 2193 01:48:37.399 --> 01:48:39.079 rolled it up in front of a fuck in front 2194 01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:42.000 of a hotel, which could have had a three year 2195 01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:44.439 old child and their mom walk out that door the 2196 01:48:44.479 --> 01:48:48.359 second that the bed went off and killed like six 2197 01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:52.399 seven people were still seriously injured in that blast. This 2198 01:48:52.520 --> 01:48:56.560 dude is a domestic terrorist. I don't care that he's 2199 01:48:56.600 --> 01:49:00.560 a Green Beret. I actually am more ashamed that he's 2200 01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:02.720 a Green Beret and that he decided to take his 2201 01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:06.680 own life by potentially killing American citizens. So I don't 2202 01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:09.159 know what your guys' take is, but this is all 2203 01:49:09.239 --> 01:49:12.279 I've heard about, Like what of now again? Mental health? 2204 01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:14.000 I get it right, I don't want to knock on 2205 01:49:14.039 --> 01:49:17.279 the family, but like, shouldn't be glorifying this dude is 2206 01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:21.479 like some mastermind to an exposure plan where he's exposing 2207 01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:26.079 you know, like CIA secrets and all this crazy shit. 2208 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:27.840 Like that's not what he was, man, He was a 2209 01:49:27.880 --> 01:49:33.000 mentally ill dude that potentially almost killed six American citizens. 2210 01:49:33.560 --> 01:49:36.640 Yeah, no, I totally agree. 2211 01:49:36.680 --> 01:49:38.680 I mean I might The one thing I might take 2212 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:42.680 exception to is like the actual legal definition of a 2213 01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:45.720 domestic terrorist. He might not fit into that. But I 2214 01:49:45.800 --> 01:49:49.039 understand what you're saying that he was terrorizing the American 2215 01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:52.840 public in a sense by blowing up this truck in public, right, 2216 01:49:53.119 --> 01:49:57.399 And you're right, I of course we don't want any 2217 01:49:57.479 --> 01:50:00.239 veteran or soldier to take their own life. That's terrible, 2218 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:01.840 But hey man, if you're going to do it, you 2219 01:50:01.840 --> 01:50:04.399 don't need to take down, you know, a bunch of 2220 01:50:04.399 --> 01:50:05.239 civilians with you. 2221 01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:05.680 Come on. 2222 01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:07.000 Yeah. 2223 01:50:07.159 --> 01:50:09.840 I would also push back on the domestic terrorism thing, 2224 01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:15.039 just because I don't think that was really it wasn't. 2225 01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:20.840 First off, I'm I'm just I'm way I feel bad 2226 01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:24.279 that he about his mental illness and it wasn't even 2227 01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:28.039 like depression, Like I don't think I believe that he 2228 01:50:28.119 --> 01:50:30.319 was at a stage where he could not separate fact 2229 01:50:30.319 --> 01:50:30.760 from fiction. 2230 01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:34.479 Yeah, and yeah, no, I agree. I think I think 2231 01:50:34.520 --> 01:50:36.600 domestic terrorists was the wrong choice of words. That's not 2232 01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:38.239 what I was trying to say. What I was really 2233 01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:42.640 trying to say, of like, he wasn't this like whistleblowing 2234 01:50:43.640 --> 01:50:46.680 mastermind that was setting up a v bed just in 2235 01:50:46.720 --> 01:50:49.960 the perfect way to not injure people to send a message. 2236 01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:51.920 He was a mental he was a mentally ill person. 2237 01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:54.720 He was, Yeah, he was just I just feel I 2238 01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:58.800 just feel sad for him that, you know, like we 2239 01:50:58.840 --> 01:51:02.159 talk about we talk about mental health, and we talk 2240 01:51:02.199 --> 01:51:05.600 about you know, like realizing this not okay to pull 2241 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:08.520 people out of their vehicles. But but then when you 2242 01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:11.479 talk start talking about the Marines, you know, out of 2243 01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:16.680 Syria seeing demons and seeing ghosts of the people they 2244 01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:21.000 killed and things like that, that that's not something These 2245 01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:22.760 people are not questioning their sanity. 2246 01:51:23.199 --> 01:51:24.760 These people are not it's real to them. 2247 01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:28.279 They're not in a place where they're seeking mental help, right, 2248 01:51:28.399 --> 01:51:29.159 mental health help. 2249 01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:31.960 They they're living in a whole different world. 2250 01:51:32.079 --> 01:51:36.560 So I would say that you know that he probably 2251 01:51:36.600 --> 01:51:41.119 could have built a more efficient v bid with the 2252 01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:42.119 intention to kill. 2253 01:51:43.319 --> 01:51:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my initial criticism was 2254 01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:48.920 of like, this was an eighteen Zulu and this was 2255 01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:50.720 the best. That was the very first video I did 2256 01:51:50.760 --> 01:51:53.199 before Sean Ryan, before anybody just covering that, And that 2257 01:51:53.319 --> 01:51:56.560 was my biggest question was like, how does a ten 2258 01:51:56.600 --> 01:51:59.760 plus year Green Beret not know how to tamp explose 2259 01:51:59.840 --> 01:52:02.840 his and do actually right And so I don't think 2260 01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:06.600 I don't think he was necessarily trying to do as 2261 01:52:06.680 --> 01:52:09.159 much damn as as possible, right, I'm just getting tired 2262 01:52:09.199 --> 01:52:14.199 of the narrative that he's this like hero, it's exposing shit, right, sorry, 2263 01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:15.319 I don't believe. 2264 01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:19.000 That, because that carries on, that carries on the whole 2265 01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:23.960 conspiracy and fails to acknowledge the very real mental health issue, 2266 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:28.199 which which I think, honestly, I think the Army is 2267 01:52:28.279 --> 01:52:30.880 happy to let that happen because the Army does not 2268 01:52:31.039 --> 01:52:33.840 want to talk about the mental health issues. They would rather, 2269 01:52:34.239 --> 01:52:38.039 you know, they would rather talk about him being an 2270 01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:39.920 extremist or him. I mean, I don't think the Army 2271 01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:41.600 wants to I don't think the Army wants to talk 2272 01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:42.000 about anything. 2273 01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:44.359 I don't they don't want to talk about TBIs and 2274 01:52:44.399 --> 01:52:45.720 what that means from our soldiers. 2275 01:52:45.720 --> 01:52:47.359 I want to retrack that though, because I don't think 2276 01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:49.399 the Army wants to talk about him being an extremist either, 2277 01:52:49.399 --> 01:52:52.439 because I don't think the Army wants the publicity of 2278 01:52:52.479 --> 01:52:55.560 an SF guy going out there and becoming extremes. I 2279 01:52:55.560 --> 01:52:59.439 think the Army just wants it to go away because 2280 01:52:59.560 --> 01:53:03.000 no matter how it was framed, dispatch for them, but they. 2281 01:53:02.960 --> 01:53:07.359 Definitely and when both terrorist attacks back to back were 2282 01:53:07.399 --> 01:53:11.960 from active duty Army soldiers, right, that's bad. That's that's 2283 01:53:12.079 --> 01:53:14.199 not great optics. I mean, I already saw. I don't 2284 01:53:14.199 --> 01:53:16.279 know if you guys saw the clip on MSNBC, I 2285 01:53:16.279 --> 01:53:18.880 think was today where they literally ran a whole art, 2286 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:20.920 a whole episode. I forget his name, one of the 2287 01:53:20.920 --> 01:53:22.760 old guys over there. I don't really obviously don't watch 2288 01:53:22.760 --> 01:53:26.359 the show about how and he literally says it. I'll 2289 01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:28.399 send you guys the clip after. It's so gross where 2290 01:53:28.399 --> 01:53:31.880 he talks about veterans, veterans are the biggest threat to 2291 01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:36.159 America and that veterans are responsible for more terrorism in 2292 01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:39.479 this country than anyone else. MSNBC just aired that. 2293 01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:41.399 This has been going on for a while though, because 2294 01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:45.640 the FBI, what was it twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen when 2295 01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:49.159 the FBI said, you know that veterans are more likely 2296 01:53:49.239 --> 01:53:53.239 to because you know, homegrown terrorists like like vetters have 2297 01:53:53.359 --> 01:53:54.039 enough issues. 2298 01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:57.479 But there was also some internal stuff going on where 2299 01:53:57.479 --> 01:54:00.840 they wanted to look at extremism in the res and 2300 01:54:00.880 --> 01:54:03.119 it got shut down because of political sensitivity. 2301 01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:06.399 Is about this, It's well General General Milly was talking 2302 01:54:06.439 --> 01:54:09.279 about that, yes, with the white rage and figuring out 2303 01:54:09.279 --> 01:54:12.560 where this all this, you know, potential nationalism is coming 2304 01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:14.039 from that long ago. 2305 01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:18.600 Yeah, so so you know, I'm glad you brought up 2306 01:54:18.600 --> 01:54:20.439 because we didn't mention that I'm gad, I'm glad you 2307 01:54:20.479 --> 01:54:23.920 brought up the Nola guy because this is the thing 2308 01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:28.039 to me that is it's very bothering about Matt's story 2309 01:54:28.319 --> 01:54:33.880 is that it's a bigger story than the actual terrorist. 2310 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:37.279 Oh yeah in Nola, like that guy wiped out of 2311 01:54:37.319 --> 01:54:38.479 the news cycle immediately. 2312 01:54:38.560 --> 01:54:41.880 Yeah, a guy suffering from mental health issues who did something, 2313 01:54:42.079 --> 01:54:46.039 who killed himself, you know, and and didn't hurt anybody else, 2314 01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:47.399 could have but didn't. 2315 01:54:48.279 --> 01:54:50.039 A guy. And that was the thing is. 2316 01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:52.520 You know, when you talk about his letter and his manifesto, 2317 01:54:53.279 --> 01:54:56.119 the thing that immediately made me think of Frodi was 2318 01:54:56.439 --> 01:54:58.720 when he said that the FBI was following him, because 2319 01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:03.319 once people start getting their paranoid delusions, yeah there, that's 2320 01:55:03.359 --> 01:55:07.000 when they're sort of they're off the rails, you know, 2321 01:55:07.199 --> 01:55:11.359 and and you know that's really really where you see 2322 01:55:11.399 --> 01:55:15.319 that that mental thing. But so what bothers me is 2323 01:55:15.359 --> 01:55:21.039 that one we're ignoring his mental health issues, and two 2324 01:55:22.680 --> 01:55:25.479 we're making him a bigger story than a guy, a 2325 01:55:25.560 --> 01:55:32.079 radicalized guy by isis who actually killed people, a lot 2326 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:34.880 of people, and that's gone, that's out. 2327 01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:35.199 Of the story. 2328 01:55:35.239 --> 01:55:38.760 But we're all still talking about this mentally unwell as 2329 01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:39.279 Seff guy. 2330 01:55:40.840 --> 01:55:44.560 Yeah, and it's it brings into question of the way 2331 01:55:44.680 --> 01:55:48.760 news is sort of manipulated and pushed forward of I 2332 01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:51.359 don't think that's by accident. I don't think the fact 2333 01:55:51.399 --> 01:55:55.800 that the right the radicalized ISIS dude that killed fifteen 2334 01:55:55.880 --> 01:56:01.560 people or more, that story disappeared immediately in favor of 2335 01:56:02.119 --> 01:56:06.439 the active duty green beret who then, you know, potentially 2336 01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:09.119 does a terrorist attack. I don't think that's I don't 2337 01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:14.399 think that's just coincidence that all of media immediately diverted 2338 01:56:14.439 --> 01:56:17.600 and got that off of why because what they don't 2339 01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:20.800 want is they don't and MSNBC literally talked about this 2340 01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:24.560 in that art in that clip that it's not the 2341 01:56:24.600 --> 01:56:27.359 southern border. It is not the southern border that is 2342 01:56:27.359 --> 01:56:31.199 causing anything any of this. Okay, it's domestic veterans, it's 2343 01:56:31.239 --> 01:56:33.399 all home grown, that's not And I think they want 2344 01:56:33.439 --> 01:56:36.560 to get the conversation off any potential of like, yes, 2345 01:56:36.680 --> 01:56:39.399 this was an active duty soldier that was radicalized by ISIS, 2346 01:56:39.439 --> 01:56:43.000 but how was he radicalized by ISIS? By ISIS potentially 2347 01:56:43.039 --> 01:56:45.640 getting into our country somehow. So I think they want 2348 01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:48.319 to get the conversation away from that as fast as 2349 01:56:48.399 --> 01:56:54.439 possible and put it on like hey, white nationalists whatever, 2350 01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:58.119 whatever the maga or because they're saying that too, right, likega, 2351 01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:03.119 mega this, whatever the buzzword is for the day. I 2352 01:57:03.159 --> 01:57:05.600 think that's what they want the optics to be on 2353 01:57:06.079 --> 01:57:08.800 stuff like that instead. And I don't think it's by mistake. 2354 01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:13.640 The hypocrisy is just it's so frustrating because you know 2355 01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:15.640 that they want to come out when it's when it's 2356 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:18.560 an Islamic extremists to say not all Muslims. And we've 2357 01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:20.560 all worked with Muslims. We know it's not all Muslims. 2358 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:23.600 We know there are a lot of like stand up, 2359 01:57:24.079 --> 01:57:29.239 you know, incredible, like courageous, and you know Muslims who 2360 01:57:29.239 --> 01:57:30.680 love America, you know whatever. 2361 01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:32.920 Green Beret. I mean, like vast majority of dudes I 2362 01:57:33.039 --> 01:57:36.199 fought in combat where we're Muslims, not Americans. That's who 2363 01:57:36.239 --> 01:57:37.960 I fought with in combat for my career. 2364 01:57:38.039 --> 01:57:39.960 So yeah, yeah, absolutely so I don't you know, I 2365 01:57:40.000 --> 01:57:42.920 don't take offense to when when it's an Islamic extremist. 2366 01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:44.760 I don't take offense to them going hey it's not 2367 01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:48.720 all Muslims, but they have no problem saying veterans are 2368 01:57:48.760 --> 01:57:52.920 an issue. Yep, where's the not all veterans statement, MSNB said. 2369 01:57:53.159 --> 01:57:57.119 MSNBC verbatim said that the veterans are the biggest threat 2370 01:57:57.640 --> 01:58:03.000 to America today. Those they said, that's crazy, like mainstream 2371 01:58:03.000 --> 01:58:04.760 their main guy, the old the older guy with the 2372 01:58:04.760 --> 01:58:07.479 gray hair. I forget to say anybody said that. He 2373 01:58:07.600 --> 01:58:10.560 literally said that in the clip today It's like, okay, man, 2374 01:58:11.479 --> 01:58:14.800 like we're way off the reservation. Jesus. Yeah, that's that 2375 01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:17.000 was the That was the last the only thing that 2376 01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:18.840 I have that I wanted to bring up. 2377 01:58:19.279 --> 01:58:21.720 All right, guys, so go check out Valhalla, v F 2378 01:58:21.800 --> 01:58:24.640 t U and Nate. You know, you're welcome on the 2379 01:58:24.640 --> 01:58:25.359 show anytime. 2380 01:58:26.239 --> 01:58:29.640 Let us know and we will drive you. 2381 01:58:30.479 --> 01:58:32.720 And yeah, next time, you know, as there are some 2382 01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:36.720 sequels in the Veteran Cinematic Universe, we'll have you back 2383 01:58:36.760 --> 01:58:38.760 to unpack those, uh those, you. 2384 01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:41.399 Know, I say, I'm getting out of it. But we're 2385 01:58:41.439 --> 01:58:46.880 on January seventh. My content since January first. Think about 2386 01:58:46.920 --> 01:58:49.680 I think like January first was the initial terrorist attack 2387 01:58:49.800 --> 01:58:54.600 and what we've covered in six days, Joy five, Nate, 2388 01:58:54.880 --> 01:58:59.720 we're early phase one in this cinematic universe. This, Yeah, 2389 01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:02.079 I think we are. We're like we're in Iron man 2390 01:59:02.079 --> 01:59:04.159 two right now, exactly exactly. 2391 01:59:04.399 --> 01:59:08.720 We're still getting a feel for it sometimes. 2392 01:59:08.079 --> 01:59:09.680 Are you guys, Are you guys going to Shot show? 2393 01:59:09.760 --> 01:59:10.199 By chance? 2394 01:59:10.520 --> 01:59:15.079 I did Shot like maybe seven years in a row. Yeah. 2395 01:59:15.159 --> 01:59:17.319 Yeah, it's the same thing every year. Yeah yeah. 2396 01:59:17.479 --> 01:59:20.359 I mean it's cool to see some old old Army buddies, 2397 01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:22.239 but oh man, that stars to wear on you. 2398 01:59:23.239 --> 01:59:23.560 Yeah. 2399 01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:25.880 But thank you, thank you Nate, and we will see 2400 01:59:25.880 --> 01:59:29.520 you guys on Friday. Retired CIA officer on the show. 2401 01:59:29.760 --> 01:59:32.560 Thank you everyone for joining us, and we'll see you 2402 01:59:32.560 --> 01:59:33.239 guys next time.