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Speaker 3: Ops, Spionage, The Team House with your hosts, Jack Murphy
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Speaker 2: Hey guys, this is episode three hundred and twenty of
Speaker 2: The Team House. I'm Jack here with Dave and joining
Speaker 2: the show for the second time is Nate. I missed
Speaker 2: the first time he came on here because I was
Speaker 2: in Iceland. We're really glad to have him back, and
Speaker 2: we were talking earlier about, you know, some of his
Speaker 2: recent videos. So he has a YouTube channel and we
Speaker 2: should mention. Nate is a retired Green Beret. His YouTube
Speaker 2: channel is Valhalla VFT. Hope you guys will go and
Speaker 2: check it out. There's some really good stuff on there,
Speaker 2: and there's a link down in the description. Before we
Speaker 2: jump into the interview, though, I'm gonna kick it over.
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Speaker 2: And back to U Nate again. Welcome to the show
Speaker 2: for a second time.
Speaker 4: Happy to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of your channel.
Speaker 2: Also, I am a little disappointed that you're not wearing
Speaker 2: your beaters. You and Jay both on your channels, are
Speaker 2: always wearing your beaters.
Speaker 4: No, I was going to, but I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: going to be on their show.
Speaker 1: You're not going to show the gun yeah, I find.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit more professional.
Speaker 2: If I'm ever going to be on one of your podcasts,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely wearing the beaters and the camo hat. If
Speaker 2: it's with Jay, I'm just messing with you, man.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: So I missed the first interview, but I mean, you
Speaker 2: are something of a Special Forces thought fluencer now whether
Speaker 2: you like that, whether you like that title or not,
Speaker 2: you are found yourself in that position. But I bet
Speaker 2: you didn't like initially set out. I mean valhal of
Speaker 2: firearms training. You must have started somewhere else and I'd
Speaker 2: be interested to ask you how you how you came
Speaker 2: from transitioning out of the military to that to being
Speaker 2: a YouTube guy.
Speaker 4: That's well, that's great. So I mean I was on
Speaker 4: I think I think over a year ago now, and
Speaker 4: again I think it was on Your Guys show initially
Speaker 4: when I was maybe two months retired, so I had
Speaker 4: just retired, just started the social media channels. I had
Speaker 4: maybe like four or five thousand subscribers I think on YouTube.
Speaker 4: So that interview is going to be very different in
Speaker 4: this one. And that was like, you know, we told stories,
Speaker 4: we talked about my career, crazy war missions, which was awesome,
Speaker 4: great episode. Fast forward like maybe twelve, like thirteen months later,
Speaker 4: and you know, almost one hundred thousand subscribers within you know,
Speaker 4: a year. Amazing, and I've you know again, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: guess I am a influencer. Now. I think it's so dumb,
Speaker 4: and I think I might have told Dave that when
Speaker 4: I first did the episode. I begrudgingly started these social
Speaker 4: media channels because of my firearm's business. So my in
Speaker 4: person business is arms instructive business, run all sorts of
Speaker 4: different classes, teach law enforcement departments. So we got a
Speaker 4: good business going out here in the Pacific Northwest. But
Speaker 4: everybody was like, dude, with your resume, you have to
Speaker 4: market yourself. If you're going to do this field firearms training,
Speaker 4: you're a retired Green Beret, valor awards like all the
Speaker 4: shiny shit, you have to market yourself on social media.
Speaker 4: So I begrudgingly started, you know, the YouTube channel and
Speaker 4: just doing firearms content, just doing that. And I did
Speaker 4: one video maybe in the first month that was the
Speaker 4: harsh reality of becoming a Green Beret, and it was
Speaker 4: maybe eight minutes and I just told, like, you know,
Speaker 4: all the shitty backstory to it, like going through the
Speaker 4: Q course, you're probably going to get divorced, right, Like
Speaker 4: you're not going to see your fucking kids for six
Speaker 4: months out of the year. And that video, when I
Speaker 4: had a brand new channel, got five six, seven hundred
Speaker 4: thousand views, and that sort of like started that trajectory
Speaker 4: on the YouTube channel where I switched from firearms, trauma medicine,
Speaker 4: do something here and there. But like two I started
Speaker 4: doing Special Forces related content, talking about you know, things
Speaker 4: in group things and just backstory stuff or like realities
Speaker 4: of what have s F s F life is like,
Speaker 4: and that all that content blew up, and so I
Speaker 4: again was just like, I guess this is what I'm
Speaker 4: doing now. Yeah, fast forward a year later with the
Speaker 4: success of the channel, now it's like, yeah, this is
Speaker 4: what I'm doing now. So yeah, that's that's how I
Speaker 4: got here.
Speaker 1: Nate real quick.
Speaker 5: For anybody who has not seen Nate's episode is episode
Speaker 5: two and twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Check it out. Is fantastic.
Speaker 5: You'll see him when you'll see him when he was
Speaker 5: a baby, a little baby YouTuber fresh from the egg,
Speaker 5: hanging out in the nest.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well, you know that's that's a really good episode.
Speaker 4: So for for my fans, they know I don't talk
Speaker 4: about war stories. I don't talk about any of that
Speaker 4: type of stuff. So if you want all the best
Speaker 4: war stories and the valor Oort stories like they're encompassed
Speaker 4: on your g It's episode, nobody else has them, because
Speaker 4: again it's just not like it's not for me, but
Speaker 4: I do. I like to talk about it with guys
Speaker 4: like you, guys like us that have done the job.
Speaker 4: I'm not like gonna make videos by myself talking about
Speaker 4: my war stories, like it just doesn't feel right.
Speaker 5: And also, like how many different pods do you want
Speaker 5: to go on and tell the same stories over and
Speaker 5: over again, right, and every interview, every interviewer is going
Speaker 5: to approach it differently and maybe pull different things out.
Speaker 5: But like I've been on I think one interview where
Speaker 5: I told my story and that's enough for me. I'll
Speaker 5: go on pods to talk about other shit, but I
Speaker 5: don't talk about me.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And I don't think I've told any of
Speaker 4: those stories since, because again they're awesome stories, like awesome stories,
Speaker 4: but you're right, you know, like I lived them and
Speaker 4: like talking about them. One I also don't and I
Speaker 4: don't want to knock like the guys that go on
Speaker 4: the podcast tour and that's all they do is tell
Speaker 4: their war stories. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 4: But for me, it's like, in my worstes, my teammates
Speaker 4: got blown up and fucked up, and you know, I've
Speaker 4: got teammates that have killed themselves since, so talking about
Speaker 4: that doesn't one doesn't feel great for me. And also
Speaker 4: like I'm always so hyper concerned that I'm gonna get
Speaker 4: something wrong and not respect my teammates for their families
Speaker 4: that it's just like I would rather just not really talk.
Speaker 5: Hey, that's gonna be a little dark and a little
Speaker 5: bit of insider humor. But I'm assuming you remember their names.
Speaker 4: I wish I wasn't. I wish I wasn't drinking right there.
Speaker 4: I do not only do I remember all my teammates' names,
Speaker 4: I also remember like all of the guys in first
Speaker 4: Special Forces Group in the last ten years that have
Speaker 4: been killed in their names. So yeah, well, I'm sure
Speaker 4: we'll get into that subject.
Speaker 2: But before before we dive into the vetpro cinematic universe,
Speaker 2: I did want to ask you about.
Speaker 4: I love that that's what it is at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one of one of the more recent videos
Speaker 2: you made that really it resonated with me and I
Speaker 2: think probably other people too. You made a video about
Speaker 2: why Special Operations guys are not necessarily role models, and
Speaker 2: I thought you laid it out very good about you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: these guys are amazing.
Speaker 1: They can do incredible things, and they're.
Speaker 2: Really nice guys, but they're also human beings and there's
Speaker 2: a dark side to the job that they do, and
Speaker 2: there's a reason why they ended up.
Speaker 1: Doing that job.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Again, I was telling like I was talking to
Speaker 4: you guys a little bit before we started, but I mean,
Speaker 4: I'll just bring it back up since for the viewers.
Speaker 4: But the reason why I initially made that video and
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was going to be as popular
Speaker 4: as it did. I figured I just wanted to sort
Speaker 4: of talk about it. I mean, it's like a half
Speaker 4: a million views in two weeks, I think. But and
Speaker 4: like I said, it's definitely resonating with people based off
Speaker 4: of the feedback. Is when we started to do the
Speaker 4: exposure of Tim Kennedy the initial videos, the backlash from
Speaker 4: the civilians that are fans of him was insane. They
Speaker 4: lost their minds at the idea how could we possibly
Speaker 4: attack this war hero and all this stuff. So like
Speaker 4: this cognitive dissonance of like finding out that one of
Speaker 4: these famous soft influencers potentially isn't who he claims to be.
Speaker 4: I think it just shocked so many people because you know,
Speaker 4: I mean that old guard of the soft influencers, nothing
Speaker 4: against them, your Jocko's or Tim Kendee's, all these guys
Speaker 4: have been sort of telling these stories and doing this
Speaker 4: type of thing and building up this sort of like
Speaker 4: mystique of like the soft operator being this god that's
Speaker 4: like untouchable and can do no wrong. And for those
Speaker 4: of us that done it of known like we're just
Speaker 4: regular dudes that did you know, a really high functioning job.
Speaker 4: We're not any better necessarily morally than anybody else. And
Speaker 4: so that's why I initially wanted to make the video,
Speaker 4: is to explain to everyone like here's the backside, here's
Speaker 4: the truth, here's like the psychology of how a Green
Speaker 4: Beret is literally selected for at SFAs, Like I'm not
Speaker 4: making those things up, Like there was a back channel
Speaker 4: of actual I think was SFAs Cadre talking about one
Speaker 4: of the sites, was like, yeah, that's exactly what we're
Speaker 4: looking for, right, We're looking for high functioning young men
Speaker 4: that have been through a lot of but not necessarily
Speaker 4: trauma that built up resistance. They have the ability to
Speaker 4: cope with insane things still get the job done, still
Speaker 4: come back, reintegrate to the society. It's a very specific
Speaker 4: type of person. But as we've just seen with the
Speaker 4: things like Matt levels of Livensburger, right, that also can
Speaker 4: lead to some insane psychosis. And when you're in that
Speaker 4: realm of sociopathic behavior and that scales too far off
Speaker 4: the spectrum, we can see what happens there too. So
Speaker 4: that was the intent of the video. It wasn't necessarily
Speaker 4: like the I didn't want to make people feel like
Speaker 4: uncomfortable anything. I wanted people to understand, like how these
Speaker 4: brains actually work.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm as much a violator as any civilian
Speaker 2: fanboy in a sense, because those old school guys are
Speaker 2: my heroes that I will.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad's a Vietnam era GB. All his friends
Speaker 4: are mac be saug legends, right, Like I grew up
Speaker 4: with my dad's best friend, Riley Lott, who was just
Speaker 4: inducted in Special Forces Hall of Fame because he was
Speaker 4: Mike Force's n CIC for six years. Like, that's the
Speaker 4: guys I was raised around, and I do it myself
Speaker 4: to them. Yeah, what I mean, I understand it.
Speaker 2: Right, there's there's still my heroes, you know, but I
Speaker 2: do know them well enough now that I understand their
Speaker 2: human beings. And there are even cases where I've heard
Speaker 2: stories about people who I really admired and you find
Speaker 2: out they did some things that were not just accidents.
Speaker 2: But it's like, what that's like a character failing. You
Speaker 2: know that I thought you were better than that. But
Speaker 2: you know, also, they're human beings. I put them up
Speaker 2: on the pedestal, they didn't put themselves up there, And
Speaker 2: then I find out that they're a human being, And
Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't be so disappointed because I'm a human being, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And we are. We are human beings, right, and we're
Speaker 4: but we're human beings that are called to do a
Speaker 4: horrific job. At the same time. Man, it's not just
Speaker 4: it's not just me as a soft operator you talk
Speaker 4: about any better. Let's talk about the Marines in Fallujah, right,
Speaker 4: called on to just do absolute horrific and not necessarily
Speaker 4: that they're wrong or they're we're in the wrong as Americans.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that, but I mean going through a
Speaker 4: city and slaughtering, you know, one hundred thousand people that
Speaker 4: is not necessarily the best thing ever, too, was kind
Speaker 4: of my point, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, and the brushes with death, the you know,
Speaker 5: for the people that you lose, and you know, it's
Speaker 5: like you say, like we're all normal people, but also
Speaker 5: we also have these sociopathic traits that allow us to
Speaker 5: compartmentalize and do things that maybe the average guy on
Speaker 5: the street, you know, won't. And then on top of that,
Speaker 5: you pile on years of trauma that we shove aside
Speaker 5: so we can we ignore completely so we can keep
Speaker 5: doing the job.
Speaker 1: And then one day it's just all bubbles back up.
Speaker 5: And now you know, now we're talking about blast injuries
Speaker 5: and CTEs and how they play with post traumatic stress,
Speaker 5: like it's.
Speaker 1: Just it's this stew of just stuff.
Speaker 4: They've my my therapist, because yeah, I've been through a
Speaker 4: lot of behavioral health Like I'm honest about that, right,
Speaker 4: and it's been great for me.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: I don't say that to you know, sound soppy or
Speaker 4: PTSD or O me like I did it for myself,
Speaker 4: my family, my wife, because I had temper issues whatever.
Speaker 4: But my therapist, really good therapist, explained it as think
Speaker 4: about your brain as a filing cabinet. What you've been
Speaker 4: doing is stuffing that trauma, just stuffing papers into the
Speaker 4: bottom of that spiling cabinet, and then just shoving papers
Speaker 4: on top of it, over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: And at some point you think about that filing cabinet
Speaker 4: is just an absolute shit show, and what you have
Speaker 4: to do is take it all out, recompartmentalize it, put
Speaker 4: it all back in order so it's exactly what it is, right.
Speaker 4: And like you said, now you add in CTE and
Speaker 4: blast injuries on top of it, and I think, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll talk about the whole tesla cyberchrucking this episode,
Speaker 4: but I think that was my theory right out the
Speaker 4: gate man. It was like, this is a nineteen year old,
Speaker 4: a nineteen year SF dude, bronze star medals with valor
Speaker 4: tons of combat deployments, probably been fucked up. Add on
Speaker 4: top of depression PTSD, a little bit of psychosis, and
Speaker 4: oh here we are, and.
Speaker 5: The problem is, you know, the problem is it also
Speaker 5: insidious that a person like it's it normally takes somebody
Speaker 5: outside of us to go you might have a problem
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 4: That's my wife for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I remember we had we had Mike Edwards
Speaker 5: on the show like maybe two or three years ago.
Speaker 5: The first time he was on, and you know RD
Speaker 5: Guy or RC and talking about somebody out of their
Speaker 5: car because they you know, cut them off and you
Speaker 5: know they were like trying to you know, break check
Speaker 5: them or whatever. And he's like, and you know, my
Speaker 5: wife is like, pulling somebody.
Speaker 1: Out of their car is not normal behavior.
Speaker 5: And at that moment, I go, oh shit, it's not
Speaker 5: because I thought that was.
Speaker 4: That was that was my dad growing up. Yeah, Vietnam
Speaker 4: era Greenbray, obvious PTSD, completely untreated because none of those
Speaker 4: got to get treated in multiple times. Seven eight years old, Yeah,
Speaker 4: same thing, pulling people out of car, beating the shit
Speaker 4: out of people in middle of the street, getting back
Speaker 4: in the car and driving off like that was normal
Speaker 4: to me. And tell Tell I did the job, and
Speaker 4: I went through the things I did, and I started
Speaker 4: to understand like, oh, that wasn't normal, and it's not
Speaker 4: normal for me to be doing stuff like that either.
Speaker 5: And you know, It's interesting because your channel kind of
Speaker 5: started at the for what you do, like reviewing the
Speaker 5: life and the lifestyle of special operations.
Speaker 1: You started it at the perfect time because it used to.
Speaker 5: Just be seals we talked about, Yeah, you know that
Speaker 5: because they were the most public facing I think, And
Speaker 5: now we're seeing, you know, we have plenty to talk about,
Speaker 5: you know, whether it's with Tim Kennedy or.
Speaker 1: People like him.
Speaker 4: You have too much to talk about in.
Speaker 5: And then we have Matt and Matt's situation. As soon
Speaker 5: as I started, I didn't dive into it for the
Speaker 5: first couple of days because I I was like, there's
Speaker 5: so much like smoke out there. I don't I didn't
Speaker 5: want to get involved. Nobody knows anything and everybody's suspected.
Speaker 5: But then as soon as I read sort of what
Speaker 5: was going on, it reminded me of an article that
Speaker 5: Jack had written five years ago about Michael Frodi, who
Speaker 5: was an SMU guy, a SAP guy who started having
Speaker 5: delusions and you know it ended up taking his own life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the problem is is that.
Speaker 5: You only know you're saying if you're asking yourself if
Speaker 5: you're crazy, right, Like, when.
Speaker 1: You know everything is fact there's no breaks.
Speaker 4: Yep. Well, and we're the topic. We're the type of
Speaker 4: guys that performed at such a high level that we
Speaker 4: we always think we're right, you know, not that we are,
Speaker 4: but like we always think we're sort of the most
Speaker 4: intelligent guy in the room. Like I could be guilty
Speaker 4: of it too, And I'm not that smart. I'm really not.
Speaker 4: I'll get around like really smart people and then like
Speaker 4: get drawn like my Air Force PJ buddies, and then
Speaker 4: like get drawn back real quick and yeah, you're you're
Speaker 4: not smart.
Speaker 5: I want to express a political opinion that i'm at
Speaker 5: and then somebody brace it down like they have a
Speaker 5: background in.
Speaker 1: Economics and like, well you're wrong, and I'm like shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, That's why I stay out of the political arena.
Speaker 4: I'm just like I'm gonna say some shit that like
Speaker 4: somebody is gonna do that exact thing, Like I'm gonna
Speaker 4: like an idiot. I'm going to talk about strictly things.
Speaker 4: I'm a subject matter expert in yeah, and that's what
Speaker 4: I do. And also I'm the same way with my
Speaker 4: content where I do do current events content if it's
Speaker 4: related to s stuff, but I don't I'm always twenty
Speaker 4: four to forty eight hours late of everybody else's content.
Speaker 4: If you go back and watch my content, I'm always
Speaker 4: sort of the last one to weigh in, and I
Speaker 4: do it for that reason. I'm like I it's like
Speaker 4: always the first story is always almost wrong, and it's
Speaker 4: like almost always. Like the Mic Glover situation, I covered that.
Speaker 4: I was the last person into that, and I was
Speaker 4: the first one to say, Hey, let's pump the brakes right.
Speaker 4: Maybe this isn't what it looks like. But had I
Speaker 4: just been the same way as everybody that was like, oh,
Speaker 4: here's a plury support, this guy's a domestic abuser, let
Speaker 4: me do a video, right, I would have got egg
Speaker 4: on my face too. So that's that's what I try
Speaker 4: to do, is just I'm always trying to take a
Speaker 4: tactical pause and sort of let things unfold a little
Speaker 4: bit before I put myself out there. For self preservation
Speaker 4: is a lot of it.
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, there's like to sort of like preface
Speaker 2: a bit of this conversation. There's a question that I
Speaker 2: like to throw to you, Nate and Dave, also based
Speaker 2: on you know, I with all this stuff going on
Speaker 2: in the in the vet bros. Cinematic universe right now.
Speaker 2: You know, we've all been getting a lot of text
Speaker 2: messages from friends like what's going on. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: had a phone call with an old ranger buddy guy
Speaker 2: I go way back with, you know, twenty some odd
Speaker 2: years ago and at this point, and you know, he
Speaker 2: was asking me about some of this stuff, and I
Speaker 2: was like, we listen, all that's bullshit. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: It's not true, you know. And he was a little
Speaker 2: bit relieved, you know, I think to hear that. But
Speaker 2: he was also like, Jack, do you ever feel like
Speaker 2: responsible to use your platform to like correct the record
Speaker 2: and tell people what.
Speaker 1: You know that it's bullshit?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh damn, dude, you had to
Speaker 2: put me on the spot like that, because I also
Speaker 2: I'm very allergic to the melodrama. I like, I think
Speaker 2: it's really silly. And I've been out of the Army
Speaker 2: fifteen years at this point. It's like, that's like, right,
Speaker 2: that chapter of my life is kind of closed.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'm twelve months out, So for me, it's
Speaker 4: like I'm like all my buddies are still teams, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like still in it.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: But so the question I want to ask to you
Speaker 2: two guys and we to discuss is like, do you
Speaker 2: think that our responsibility special Ops veterans is to stay
Speaker 2: out of the mellow drama, not get involved, stay above it,
Speaker 2: or is there a responsibility at a certain point on
Speaker 2: certain topics to come forward and say.
Speaker 1: I know this isn't true.
Speaker 4: No, that's I mean, that's a great question. And I
Speaker 4: don't know, Dave, if you want me to go.
Speaker 1: First, yeah, go ahead, brother.
Speaker 4: So here's the deal. It's one of those things of like,
Speaker 4: I didn't get involved in any of this until the
Speaker 4: Mic Glover drama, and then it looked bad to me,
Speaker 4: and he was at Green Beret and I didn't agree
Speaker 4: with the way it looked, and I wanted to help
Speaker 4: a dude that I thought was a good dude, and
Speaker 4: I didn't believe the story. Turns out I was right.
Speaker 4: I've been riding about almost everything, not going to toot
Speaker 4: my horn on all these stories, but it turns out
Speaker 4: I was right. So I felt good about that. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, I have used my platform mainly
Speaker 4: to defend people. Right when Eric Deming came out and
Speaker 4: did his stuff with Jocko. I did an episode following
Speaker 4: that I didn't. I actually of you guys credit for
Speaker 4: being the only ones that like questioned some of the
Speaker 4: shit he was saying, because everybody else just was like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: tell us, tell us this all this shit. So I
Speaker 4: was the first one to sort of like, hey, let's
Speaker 4: let's diagnose this. And I defended Jocko. I defend I
Speaker 4: just depended Andy Stump the other day. So people are like,
Speaker 4: you always attacking Navy seals. I'm not like I'm always
Speaker 4: defending other veterans. But the whole Tim Kennedy situation has
Speaker 4: flipped that on its head for me, and I think one,
Speaker 4: he's a Green Beret. Two it was the Valor Awards.
Speaker 4: The lying about the Valor Awards is what did it
Speaker 4: for me. That's because I wasn't gonna get involved. Here's
Speaker 4: the thing, you know, I haven't told anybody this in
Speaker 4: the entire Tim Kennedy drama, but I like aaron stuff
Speaker 4: on your guys's channel that I've never said. Right, here's
Speaker 4: some backstory to the viewers. Okay, I was in business
Speaker 4: negotiations with sheep Dog Response to become their Pacific Northwest
Speaker 4: farms instructor partner our companies together. When this shit happened,
Speaker 4: when Tim Kennedy was exposed by the Anti Hero podcast,
Speaker 4: everybody who said to me, you're just in this for
Speaker 4: the money, for the four hundred dollars a YouTube video, right, No,
Speaker 4: I gave up a massive, massive financial situation out of
Speaker 4: integrity from a Green Beret who obviously to me had
Speaker 4: been committing shit tons of stolen valor that I didn't
Speaker 4: want to get involved with anymore. All right, So that's
Speaker 4: to me, I guess, was like the breakpoint to where
Speaker 4: I was like, I have I feel like a moral
Speaker 4: responsibility because, like Jack said, because we have these platforms,
Speaker 4: and none of my buddies, none of my Green Berets
Speaker 4: have these platforms. If they're pissed off about Tim Kennedy
Speaker 4: committing stolen valor, they can't them saying anything's not going
Speaker 4: to do anything, right. But because we have these platforms,
Speaker 4: do I have a responsibility to the regiment, to my
Speaker 4: fellow Green Berets, to all the veterans who came before me,
Speaker 4: who earned valor awards and died in the process getting
Speaker 4: their hearts. I decided in this case, I do have
Speaker 4: a moral responsibility to use my platform in a way
Speaker 4: I thought was appropriate to uphold the integrity of the
Speaker 4: Special Forces regimen. So what I don't want to do
Speaker 4: going forward is be the guy that's like inserting in
Speaker 4: myself into all the fucking drama in the Vetro circle. Right,
Speaker 4: It's easy to do. But yeah, so that's my answer.
Speaker 4: Jack is like, this was a very like sensitive personal
Speaker 4: one to me and that's why I got involved. But again,
Speaker 4: I did it out of integrity. Man, Like I tell people,
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, what had been the smart thing
Speaker 4: for me to do. The smart thing for me to
Speaker 4: do financially would be to come out and defend Tim
Speaker 4: Kennedy and gut the anti hero podcast credibility and use
Speaker 4: my platform as the integrity guy to back him, and
Speaker 4: then find myself into that Tim Kennedy Vetro monetary circle.
Speaker 4: But I didn't do that, right because again, to me,
Speaker 4: you cannot lie about having valor wards and purple hearts,
Speaker 4: because all of the people that we served with that
Speaker 4: came before us, that died earning them, it's just a
Speaker 4: slap in the face to them that I just I
Speaker 4: wasn't willing to do it. And I said from the
Speaker 4: very start, even the Anti Hero podcast. I really didn't
Speaker 4: care about their episode. I didn't care about the book,
Speaker 4: I didn't care about the war stories. It was the
Speaker 4: trigger for me was Tim Kennedy's Facebook post that said
Speaker 4: I have received valor awards for every combat deployment I
Speaker 4: have been on. When I saw that and I knew
Speaker 4: he didn't, That's when I said, now I'm involved in
Speaker 4: this situation. Sorry, that's long winded.
Speaker 5: But before I give my answer, why don't you go
Speaker 5: ahead and do the copy track and then I'll.
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Speaker 5: the stuff going on with the mic glovers and tried
Speaker 5: to stay up on what the latest reporting was, But
Speaker 5: I don't like the VET drama.
Speaker 1: I don't like vets tearing down other vets.
Speaker 5: I also, though, do not think that pointing out veterans
Speaker 5: lies about their service, even if it's not about valor awards,
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Speaker 5: did what to whom.
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Speaker 5: You know, stuff that's going on in their person lives
Speaker 5: or anything like that, because I want to see vets succeed,
Speaker 5: you know, whether whether it's with a coffee company, a podcast,
Speaker 5: a T shirt company, I don't care.
Speaker 2: You hit them like, go negative, right, And it also
Speaker 2: seems very caddy, very catty, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very caddy, and and I want to see veterans succeed,
Speaker 5: but I also want to I want them to tell.
Speaker 1: I want people to tell the truth.
Speaker 5: And for us, you know, when it comes to stuff
Speaker 5: like this, for people in the Tellivision community, it comes
Speaker 5: to people like Wayne Simmons.
Speaker 1: You know, we're the only people who actually know.
Speaker 5: And if we try to play the whole decorum thing
Speaker 5: and go, well, I know he's full of shit, but
Speaker 5: I'm not going to say anything, then what you're doing
Speaker 5: is you were allowing these people to go out there
Speaker 5: and make a bad name in our name, you know,
Speaker 5: a bad name for.
Speaker 4: Us to caveate off that. So I waited in on
Speaker 4: the Sean Ryan episode and everybody's you're attacking Sean. I
Speaker 4: didn't attack Sean. I did the episode about why I
Speaker 4: thought that email was stupid and why I thought that
Speaker 4: the dude was suffering from psychosis. Well, they were freaking
Speaker 4: out about this being like some China New war thing.
Speaker 4: So my point was and the reason why I felt
Speaker 4: like I'm going to interject on this is why, like
Speaker 4: you just said, because I know better. How do I
Speaker 4: know better? Because this is a special Active Duty Special
Speaker 4: Forces eighteen zulu, I intimately know what access to information
Speaker 4: eight e eight eighteen zulu on an ODA has and
Speaker 4: it's not Bob Lazar Element one fifteen anti gravitational propulsion systems. Right, Sorry,
Speaker 4: you know that Zach knows that random Actually.
Speaker 1: My team sergeant knew everything, so I don't really.
Speaker 4: Know, but you know my point, like the actual access, well,
Speaker 4: oh well he had a ts SCI so everybody it
Speaker 4: was in the eighteen course, Like that'll give you anything.
Speaker 4: And then also he goes into the second section where
Speaker 4: he talks about the strike the strike targeting war crimes.
Speaker 4: Right I started, I'm like, I was in Afghanistan in
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen. I did a lot of strike targeting and
Speaker 4: our missions. I know how I think I told the
Speaker 4: story on our podcast about how we had to do
Speaker 4: ad mission back to back nights because the two star
Speaker 4: was asleep and wouldn't sign off on blowing up one building, right,
Speaker 4: that was full of what sixteen pounds of hm E,
Speaker 4: I know how hard it is to strike one building,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna tell me there was some two star
Speaker 4: in the siege just sod off jock with fifty people watching.
Speaker 4: That's like, blow up, blow it all.
Speaker 5: Up, kill right, kill everybody, Kill everybody.
Speaker 4: So the military is my point of Like I read
Speaker 4: that and go, I know better. Civilians don't know better.
Speaker 4: Nobody knows bet. They just think this is crazy. But
Speaker 4: guys like us are like, reread that and they're like,
Speaker 4: this is fucking dumb. So we do have a responsibility
Speaker 4: to be like this is dumb. Here's the reason why.
Speaker 5: And I think that's like, I think that's totally fair,
Speaker 5: the idea to take somebody's because, like I said, there
Speaker 5: are two articles out there that if you guys want.
Speaker 1: To understand how bad this gets.
Speaker 5: Read Jack's article was in Yahoo News on Michael frodi
Speaker 5: uh and you know what he went through. And then
Speaker 5: there's another article in the New York Times about the
Speaker 5: Marine artillery unit that was in Syria and launched more
Speaker 5: artillery than I think anybody has since World War Two,
Speaker 5: maybe even before then. And these guys were coming back
Speaker 5: and seeing apparitions, seeing demons that the last the blast
Speaker 5: injuries to them, it had serious effects.
Speaker 1: And so so for me, like looking at.
Speaker 5: Somebody who is a really tragic story and then and
Speaker 5: then sort of like building conspiracy off of his own delusions,
Speaker 5: is just.
Speaker 4: It's not right. I love that you brought that up.
Speaker 4: I was just having a conversation with jameson Travels right
Speaker 4: before I came on this podcast about how that's the story.
Speaker 4: The nineteen year g WATT veteran has been fucked up
Speaker 4: in combat, who's got PTSD, who suffers a psychotic break
Speaker 4: and doesn't have any fucking support and doesn't have the
Speaker 4: mental health support that he needs. That's the story, not
Speaker 4: that fucking Chinese drone, you know, right, So it's it's
Speaker 4: it's a it's discrediting the guys you're talking about who
Speaker 4: have had these issues, right, and and the real the
Speaker 4: real story here is how fucked up all these g
Speaker 4: WAT veterans are and how the military that should be
Speaker 4: the story in the news. Sean Ryan's podcast about aliens.
Speaker 1: And shit like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, and it's still a serious problem
Speaker 5: because I just talked to a buddy whose daughter is
Speaker 5: dating an active duty guy and he's conventional, but he's
Speaker 5: been in a lot of combat and he's having some
Speaker 5: serious issues with post traumatic stress and he will not
Speaker 5: go seek help because the military, the military, the military
Speaker 5: is still punishing people for it.
Speaker 1: The military is still you know, they are still like
Speaker 1: booting people out for it.
Speaker 4: I just I do you guys know who? Ben Pappus
Speaker 4: is one of the one of the commanders that stood
Speaker 4: up Marsk. He's on a podcast with me on the
Speaker 4: War Room sometimes. Awesome dude. But we were talking about
Speaker 4: the other other day. The question got asked like, if
Speaker 4: you are suffering PTSD, should you seek help? Will you
Speaker 4: be punished? And then he said like, you'll never be punished, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 4: And I had to stop him as an NCO and say, well, wait, yeah,
Speaker 4: as long as you report this through the the precise
Speaker 4: correct channels and do it in the appropriate way, not
Speaker 4: through don't go to your company commander and say I'm
Speaker 4: suffering from PTSD or drug use. No, you can't do that.
Speaker 4: You like the military has these very strict linear paths
Speaker 4: of doing this to where you can't be punished. But
Speaker 4: if you slip up and do this the wrong way
Speaker 4: and tell the wrong person, you are one hundred percent
Speaker 4: right the military. I've watched dudes that have self reported
Speaker 4: in my unit that I am friends with get fried.
Speaker 4: Yeah fried for self reporting. Yeah, so, I mean you're right,
Speaker 4: there's huge, huge, there's a huge stigma because that's the truth.
Speaker 4: Like that that can still happen to dudes if they
Speaker 4: don't do it the right way. Yeah, it's fucked up
Speaker 4: if you think about it. I don't know if I
Speaker 4: personally not.
Speaker 1: I know, no, no, no, you're fine.
Speaker 5: The other thing I think that, you know, like people
Speaker 5: who don't know, like the whole when he mentioned his
Speaker 5: first car.
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: And and you know, and then some people says, do
Speaker 5: some good O scent and they said, oh, well, like
Speaker 5: it wasn't his first car, like this is his like registration.
Speaker 1: It's like understand how an isoprep works.
Speaker 5: Sure, when you're a boot and you know, don't know anything,
Speaker 5: and you go in and you do your isoprep, you
Speaker 5: answer all the questions honestly, like you're like you're calling
Speaker 5: your parents hand, you're calling your parents saying.
Speaker 1: Hey, what was the first street we lived on?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Because you don't remember.
Speaker 5: But the thing is is that you don't remember, so
Speaker 5: you can't call your parents.
Speaker 4: So if I would have been a if I would
Speaker 4: have been a POW in twenty eighteen days and somebody
Speaker 4: would have showed up and asked me for my isoprep
Speaker 4: or my keywords, I would have had no fucking clue.
Speaker 1: What they were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, because you're right, you fill them out and
Speaker 4: then like three, four or five years go by, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you're like, you don't know what you put in there? Yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 5: And so the thing is if you when you do
Speaker 5: them enough, you're like, what's the thing that stands out?
Speaker 1: So it's like, who is your first girlfriend? Well, it's
Speaker 1: wonder woman, Like that's the first girl I had a question?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. It was Becky in the third grade.
Speaker 1: Can you guys explain what is okay? So the ISO prep?
Speaker 5: Yeah, the ISO prep is a is a form that
Speaker 5: you fill out that you know has your fingerprints, has
Speaker 5: your photo, probably now has DNA I don't know. But
Speaker 5: it also has a number of questions that if you
Speaker 5: are ever captured or if you are like looking for recovery,
Speaker 5: in order to validate who you are, or in order
Speaker 5: to validate that it's actually you asking for the pickup
Speaker 5: from the recovery people, they will use these very detailed
Speaker 5: questions on your ISO prep to verify that it's you
Speaker 5: that when they're to talking to or to when they
Speaker 5: go on target and you know, and bring out all
Speaker 5: these people that you know, they'll they'll have you know,
Speaker 5: people's is of prep questions or whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's used in recovery whatever, like pow. What's the
Speaker 1: idea behind it exactly?
Speaker 4: You can kind of think of it like security questions
Speaker 4: for your bank if you're if you like, forget your
Speaker 4: password six security questions. That's kind of like that.
Speaker 5: And the other problem is is that in today's you know,
Speaker 5: information environment, the Chinese, the Russian, they know where like
Speaker 5: any question that's on that I was so propped. They
Speaker 5: can figure out the same way the same way people
Speaker 5: on Twitter or x figured out what is vehicles were
Speaker 5: so a lot of times, like for fate for my
Speaker 5: first car, I used to put kit from night Rider
Speaker 5: because that's something that nobody else would know, but.
Speaker 1: It's something that would always stick with me.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It doesn't have to be a true answer, it has
Speaker 5: to be the answer you know.
Speaker 4: You can that you can remember when you need to.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what it is. Like you could ask,
Speaker 4: you know, what's your favorite car and the answer could
Speaker 4: be banana, right, but as long as you know the
Speaker 4: answer and there because for the audience of reference, Like,
Speaker 4: let's say Delta is coming to hostage rescue you like
Speaker 4: they have your isopet, yeah, like and they're gonna as
Speaker 4: they be like, here is a hostage who might be
Speaker 4: six ten months later, beard disheveled. They're going to ask
Speaker 4: you those questions to figure out who you are.
Speaker 5: And even and you know, and it can happen in
Speaker 5: other types of recovery situations where like, you know, you
Speaker 5: get separated from the unit or you know, you're out
Speaker 5: there doing whatever and you wander into a town and
Speaker 5: call them from a phone and you're saying, hey, this
Speaker 5: is so and so I need to recovery in this
Speaker 5: location and you know, and they're like, well, how do like,
Speaker 5: how do we know this is in some elaborate ambush
Speaker 5: that we're sending people into. So they'll pull out your
Speaker 5: isoproup and then ask your questions to verify that this
Speaker 5: is really you.
Speaker 1: On the phone yea or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, so there were things in that
Speaker 5: email that, like you say.
Speaker 1: We know and we know why they you know, we
Speaker 1: know the deal.
Speaker 5: But if you want to, if you want to lead
Speaker 5: people down a conspiracy road, you can because they don't
Speaker 5: know better.
Speaker 1: That's the problem I have.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna I was just gonna say that,
Speaker 2: you know, I was talking to Dave earlier about this,
Speaker 2: and I think you nailed it too in some of
Speaker 2: the videos you made, Nate, that that manifesto really only
Speaker 2: has one use, uh, and that is to give a
Speaker 2: little bit of insight into that person's mental state at
Speaker 2: that time, Right, and I think it clearly shows, as
Speaker 2: we all know, he was having a mental health crisis.
Speaker 2: That manifesto should not be used as a valid source
Speaker 2: of information about aerospace technology, Chinese drones, war crimes in Afghanistans.
Speaker 1: Know that that is not how we use.
Speaker 2: I pardon the non clinical term, the ravings of a badman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know this is that's not You do not
Speaker 1: go to a manifesto for that type.
Speaker 4: Of information, right, And I don't know if you guys saw,
Speaker 4: but the police department right before we came on just
Speaker 4: came out and released a little bit more information. Apparently
Speaker 4: he had like a ten page manifesto in his phone
Speaker 4: with more insane rantings and obviously all talking about how
Speaker 4: he's being followed by the FBI, the d like he
Speaker 4: was going on and on and on and on and
Speaker 4: how he was they were tracking him and he could
Speaker 4: see them and he was tracking their vehicles and all
Speaker 4: that and now and I don't necessarily trust the intelligence agencies,
Speaker 4: but like the FBI and everybody's come out and been like, look,
Speaker 4: this guy wasn't on any watch list, Like nobody was
Speaker 4: targeting this dude. He was your typical like no criminal record,
Speaker 4: active duty Special Forces team sergeant, like nobody, none of
Speaker 4: us know who this guy is, so like which I
Speaker 4: kind of believe right like and based off his career,
Speaker 4: Like you don't make it to be an active duty
Speaker 4: team sergeant if you're out doing crazy shit and getting
Speaker 4: arrested and doing all stuff like that. But that just
Speaker 4: kind of shows of like this huge manifesto of like
Speaker 4: like like again psychosis and think you're being tracked and
Speaker 4: think you're being monitored in this insane paranoia that's just
Speaker 4: wasn't happening. And what really and that really pissed me
Speaker 4: off was the Sean Ryan Live not I don't know
Speaker 4: if you guys listened to it, not the not the episode,
Speaker 4: but he had they had like that Twitter live that
Speaker 4: they did that came out after like the episodes of
Speaker 4: Me and jameson Travels and everybody that was like, this
Speaker 4: is fucking dumb, what are we doing here? And they
Speaker 4: brought on a bunch of former FBI agents, a bunch
Speaker 4: of Green berets, Navy seals, and everybody just talked about
Speaker 4: how this is obviously all true and this is a
Speaker 4: huge conspiracy and he's still alive and they're tracking him
Speaker 4: and he's trying to make it to Mexico and it's like,
Speaker 4: what are you guys fucking doing? None of you know
Speaker 4: any of this. Wait. First of all, even if this
Speaker 4: conspiracy was true, nobody knows what's going on. But like,
Speaker 4: this is a lot of credible voices to tell the
Speaker 4: American public like, hey, don't trust what's going on on.
Speaker 4: You need to listen to this crazy shit. That was
Speaker 4: super disappointing.
Speaker 5: See, there was another one then because I listened to
Speaker 5: one was it last night or the night before, I
Speaker 5: can't remember where.
Speaker 1: There were a bunch of guys who.
Speaker 5: Came on who had been kind of opposing what Sean
Speaker 5: had said, and they're like.
Speaker 4: This was like a big circle jerk session of.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I didn't hear that one out and Nate.
Speaker 2: That goes back to my earlier comment about like responsibility
Speaker 2: and you know where where does it lie? So I've
Speaker 2: never spoken about this publicly for some of the reasons
Speaker 2: I mentioned previously. But there are certain people I have
Speaker 2: not booked on this podcast and would not because I
Speaker 2: think there are credibility issues, And for sure one of them,
Speaker 2: to tell you the truth is Tim Kennedy. I had
Speaker 2: an advanced copy of his book. I could not make
Speaker 2: it past the back cover synopsis.
Speaker 4: On you you were the only person that ever read it.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't mean it was just the back cover.
Speaker 1: I didn't make it through.
Speaker 4: The back cover.
Speaker 1: We read it and we were like that was enough
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is this is a no for us,
Speaker 2: right And when a well known military podcast has a
Speaker 2: bunch of people like Tim Kennedy, this guy with the
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories about the cyber trucks and a bunch of
Speaker 2: other dubious military tales, uh and other weird Well.
Speaker 4: I mean, let's let's call spade a spade, like I'll
Speaker 4: call it for you. We're talking about Sean Ryan, right,
Speaker 4: And let's be clear. And I said this before. I
Speaker 4: like Sean Ryan. I like his show, but I watch
Speaker 4: it for entertainment. I understand. The dude has on a
Speaker 4: bunch of wazoo fucking UFO alien like reptiles and Antarctica interviews,
Speaker 4: and he doesn't push back at all, and he lets
Speaker 4: him spew all their crazy shit. Tim Kennedy, That's fine,
Speaker 4: it's entertainment. The problem is is when Sean Ryan decides
Speaker 4: that he's the bastion of truth for the information that's
Speaker 4: coming out about a serious domestic terrorist attack, that's when
Speaker 4: you have to stop and say, Okay, no, that's not
Speaker 4: what your show is. Okay, no, no, knock on your
Speaker 4: show again. I like it, but the guy you had
Speaker 4: on right like came on and peddled a bunch of
Speaker 4: crazy bullshit. And and I also think then, and I
Speaker 4: told people this, this is why I don't beat sewn
Speaker 4: up for it, because it's like you have these type
Speaker 4: of people on your show all the time, and that's fine,
Speaker 4: but like, don't pretend to be something that you're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know the guy personally. I don't have any
Speaker 2: problem with him personally.
Speaker 4: No, I think I think again, I like him, Like
Speaker 4: I'm not beating him up. I like his show.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's this.
Speaker 5: He's as successful as he is, you know, like I
Speaker 5: love I love to see veterans succeed. But but you're right,
Speaker 5: But it's but it's weird because he he he has.
Speaker 1: This fine line. You know, he has Trump on.
Speaker 5: He does have people on who have very real things
Speaker 5: to say.
Speaker 4: It goes back and forth. There's some really great, credible
Speaker 4: uh sources on there and some great interviews, and then
Speaker 4: again you'll have the guy who said he was a
Speaker 4: janitor in Antarctica where there was reptile alien people right right.
Speaker 2: Like my favorite was the guy who didn't know if
Speaker 2: he was in the Special Activities Directorate or Special Activities Division.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's like saying, like you're you're in
Speaker 2: the Ranger regiment, but you don't know if it's a
Speaker 2: regiment or a brigade.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not sure if I was in Ranger Batter
Speaker 4: or r RC, but.
Speaker 2: I'm not as you as you put it, Nate. I mean,
Speaker 2: what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly what are we doing? Yeah? Again, I
Speaker 4: want to cave out for the viewers before they freak out.
Speaker 4: I like Sean Ryan Show, I'm not beating him up.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, come on, well they can.
Speaker 2: There's there's a pile on effect and there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people out there who really enjoy all the
Speaker 2: melodrama and you know, picking a side and fighting. And
Speaker 2: the reason why I think it's rather silly when you
Speaker 2: zoom back from all of it is that, like end
Speaker 2: of the day, like none of these people arguing on
Speaker 2: the internet, they don't give a shit about your life
Speaker 2: or you know, your family, and they don't care about
Speaker 2: me or you know what I have going on, So
Speaker 2: you have to like take the comments section should be
Speaker 2: taken with a grain of salt.
Speaker 4: That was a learning experience for me over the last
Speaker 4: twelve months. Jack. I started because I did you know,
Speaker 4: I was an actual I was an actual, silent professional.
Speaker 4: I didn't have any social media. I did my job,
Speaker 4: Like I started these social media channels when I retired,
Speaker 4: and the first couple of months I was in the
Speaker 4: comment section maybe like like he like arguing, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? And over time I had one one
Speaker 4: of my creator buddies that sort of mentored me. I
Speaker 4: was talking to him about it, and he gave me
Speaker 4: this quote that's changed my whole perspective ever since. He said,
Speaker 4: every time you see a comment that pisses you off,
Speaker 4: I want you to remember fifty percent of Americans read
Speaker 4: at below an eighth grade comprehension level. And I went,
Speaker 4: that's the people in the comments. There's no point what
Speaker 4: am I I'll still, like I say slights back and forth.
Speaker 4: You know, somebody like tries to say some suit super
Speaker 4: insulting stuff. I'll do some witty comebacks. But yeah, like
Speaker 4: the comment section, you're right, it is a deranged like we've.
Speaker 5: We've had people from the same show in comments in
Speaker 5: our comment sections, both calling us.
Speaker 1: Russian like.
Speaker 5: Asians and like you and Ukrainian like trolls like.
Speaker 1: Like because we tried to both because.
Speaker 5: We tried to present like a nuanced view of a situation.
Speaker 2: Or you'll have like what one interview we do where
Speaker 2: they're calling us left wing lunatics and another where they're
Speaker 2: calling us right wing propagandas it's.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, mega propaganda.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like kind of we can be whatever
Speaker 2: you want us to be, you know, whatever your agenda is.
Speaker 4: Well, what did you get?
Speaker 5: Sorry, David, I was just gonna ask you, like, what
Speaker 5: kind of feedback did you get from your review of
Speaker 5: the Eric Deming claims, Oh.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. I don't know if I should. I'll get
Speaker 4: into this that that didn't stop with that video. I
Speaker 4: I've talked to Eric personally for a couple hours, one
Speaker 4: on one. I'll get into that in a second if
Speaker 4: you guys want to. Yeah, But initially it was really
Speaker 4: kind of a fifty to fifty man, Like a lot
Speaker 4: of people wanted Jocko to be a war criminal, which
Speaker 4: was kind of shocking to me because he isn't like
Speaker 4: a a Tim Kennedy personality where it's like look at me,
Speaker 4: look at me. He seems like a very I like
Speaker 4: his content, like a very leadership like, build up self
Speaker 4: accountability type of guy. So it was kind of surprising
Speaker 4: to me when I came out and defended him, how
Speaker 4: many people were angry with me for not calling him
Speaker 4: a war criminal, right, which was weird, but it was
Speaker 4: a real fifty to fifty split. Just for my initial
Speaker 4: coverage of that, And again I did a I did
Speaker 4: a full hour long video I used your guys this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I went through the whole thing, and I just I
Speaker 4: just called balls and strikes, right. I said, these are
Speaker 4: things that sound really credible my experience of doing this,
Speaker 4: these are things that don't sound credible. Since then, I
Speaker 4: talked to Eric one on one, and I don't think
Speaker 4: Eric's a bad guy, right, And I pressed him very
Speaker 4: hard on the exact same things I pressed him on,
Speaker 4: like one of the things where he says he was
Speaker 4: getting guys killed in Ramadi, And I said, over and
Speaker 4: over again, Eric, tell me how he was getting guys
Speaker 4: killed in Ramadi. They were doing daytime rates. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: was I in vso man, right, tell me how he
Speaker 4: was getting people killed. Oh, well, the martial arts gym.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: And it was like and we did this loop back
Speaker 4: to back to back, and we kind of did it,
Speaker 4: and I was like, maybe he's right, maybe he's not.
Speaker 4: After that, I had two of the guys from the
Speaker 4: team in Ramadi reach out to me. Unhonestly, they didn't
Speaker 4: want anything to do with it. But I'll tell you
Speaker 4: from the emails, it's very credible, Like you know when
Speaker 4: you are talking to someone incredible in an email where
Speaker 4: they they've got names, unit names, all that. And they
Speaker 4: talked about Mike Lee's funeral, right, they were like, we
Speaker 4: were at Mike Lee's funeral. No one at that funeral
Speaker 4: said anything about Jocko getting people killed. Nobody at that
Speaker 4: at that funeral said anything about Jocko being a coward.
Speaker 4: They were objective. They were like, look, there was some
Speaker 4: dumb shit Jocko was doing. This, was this, this and this.
Speaker 4: So it was a pretty fair back and forth. But
Speaker 4: the and I didn't want to do it. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm and and again. I also told Eric, I said, Eric,
Speaker 4: if you can bring me eye witnesses, they don't have
Speaker 4: to come on the show. They just have to reach
Speaker 4: out to me. And I just have to find them
Speaker 4: credible to anything anything firsthand, any of the claims you've made.
Speaker 4: A single eyewitness, I will platform you. I haven't heard
Speaker 4: back from him in two and a half months, so
Speaker 4: I will just say maybe he doesn't want to get involved,
Speaker 4: but he came out of doing a lot of accusations,
Speaker 4: and when I gave him the opportunity to bring receipts,
Speaker 4: he went silently. So again that's that was long winded.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think now that it's kind of died out,
Speaker 4: people are back to you know, sort of like Jocko
Speaker 4: seems like a normal dude. And I'm not excusing and
Speaker 4: saying Jocko's like some prince I've heard, like the shit
Speaker 4: in Ramadi sounds pretty sketchy. Yeah, he was probably doing
Speaker 4: some dumb fucking shit, I'll say that, But but is
Speaker 4: he this war criminal that was telling Chris Kyle to
Speaker 4: go kill civilians? I don't know, man, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 4: tough sell for me.
Speaker 2: You're you're you're right that when you know, accusations of
Speaker 2: murder uh or negligence that's killing.
Speaker 1: Soldiers are made.
Speaker 2: That does require evidence, uh, you know, extraordinary evidence in
Speaker 2: some cases.
Speaker 1: So I get where you're coming from.
Speaker 5: Well, and the thing is is that like in this community,
Speaker 5: we've all been divorced, so we all know like what
Speaker 5: it's like to love somebody and what it's like to
Speaker 5: not love them, and and and then like see like
Speaker 5: see how our truth is very much informed. Our truth
Speaker 5: about them is very much informed by our feelings about
Speaker 5: them and how those change over time.
Speaker 1: And like for me, I felt that.
Speaker 5: Eric had probably a legitimate CROs right put the whole
Speaker 5: CQC thing. Yes, it did sound as though there were
Speaker 5: some shenanigans that went on.
Speaker 4: With that, and from what and from what I've heard,
Speaker 4: credibility wise, like Jocko was banned from any contracts going
Speaker 4: forward with the Navy. Like those I agree, I called
Speaker 4: balls and strikes right and stuff sound incredible. But but
Speaker 4: to me, that's where the problem then became exactly like, oh,
Speaker 4: he seems like he's so emotionally invested in the slights
Speaker 4: against him exactly. Maybe it's maybe.
Speaker 5: That's what I thought too, And that's why when he
Speaker 5: was on the show and started saying amazing, it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: like we need to like did.
Speaker 1: You hear this firsthand?
Speaker 5: Yea, some of these accusations, because like we don't our
Speaker 5: show is about giving people a platform, and a lot
Speaker 5: of times we don't push back.
Speaker 1: We don't question a lot of what. We don't have
Speaker 1: murder accusations every day either. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, but but you guys did push back on that.
Speaker 4: I remember Day pushed back on that, like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey,
Speaker 4: you need to tell us did you see this firsthand
Speaker 4: or did you hear it? And because that's important, right, Like,
Speaker 4: if you're gonna if you're gonna say these things in public,
Speaker 4: there's gotta be some context to it, right.
Speaker 5: And that's what it felt like to me, is that
Speaker 5: he had he had a legitimate thing about the CQC stuff,
Speaker 5: and then that was like then he took that and.
Speaker 1: Not smeared it.
Speaker 5: Because I don't think that Eric is dishonest or like
Speaker 5: or whatever, but I do feel like he has a
Speaker 5: bit of an aster grind and maybe maybe kind of
Speaker 5: gets a little target fixated in the sense of and
Speaker 5: I think he's a lovely guy. I think he's a
Speaker 5: great guy.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for us talking to him one on one, he
Speaker 4: seemed like it. He seemed like an awesome dude, super
Speaker 4: fucking nice dude. I just personally when I tried to
Speaker 4: press him beyond the third hand stories, right, tell me
Speaker 4: how you know this beyond like rumor mill of the
Speaker 4: seal teams, Right, I could never get anything beyond of
Speaker 4: like it's known in the community, right, Yeah, man, But
Speaker 4: like there's a lot of things there are rumors in
Speaker 4: the kit.
Speaker 5: The thing is you will believe, like you'll believe things
Speaker 5: about people that you don't like based on past information
Speaker 5: that you wouldn't go about your best friend.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So it really a lot of times when you're hearing
Speaker 1: these rumors.
Speaker 5: About people, the context is really important in terms of
Speaker 5: like what do you think?
Speaker 1: What do you already think about this person?
Speaker 4: Well, and I also try to tell people and I'm
Speaker 4: sure Jack and I don't know how bet it's the
Speaker 4: way and range about as well. But I'm like, do
Speaker 4: you guys got to understand, like the soft team rooms
Speaker 4: are fucking like mean girls in the most drama rumor
Speaker 4: mill bullshit you will ever see. Like the level of
Speaker 4: rumors and gossip that goes on in like the company
Speaker 4: hallway would blow your fucking mind. Right, So it's like
Speaker 4: rumors and like this type of shit's not like oh
Speaker 4: so and so was like taking fucking ketymine while he
Speaker 4: was fucking on target and YadA, YadA, YadA, Like there's
Speaker 4: so much of that that like you got to take
Speaker 4: that with a grain of salt if it's the community
Speaker 4: knows this is true.
Speaker 2: On that note, I'd like to ask you this thing
Speaker 2: about the community because I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: the things that we've been talking about, a lot of
Speaker 2: the things you've been talking about, Jay, Brent Tucker, all
Speaker 2: those guys, there are things that are actually pretty well
Speaker 2: known in the special operations community. Oh yeah, but I
Speaker 2: found that ten years ago, twelve years ago, fifteen years
Speaker 2: ago when I would talk to people about, hey man,
Speaker 2: Marcus Latrell's story doesn't check out, like there's some things
Speaker 2: wrong there, or you know, Chris Kyle lied.
Speaker 1: About some things. Right. People looked at me back then
Speaker 1: like I was crazy and.
Speaker 4: You caveat that. Yeah, because that's the perfect one. Marcus Latreux,
Speaker 4: lone survivor in the eighteen Echo Course. I can't say
Speaker 4: I have to be careful about this, right because of
Speaker 4: where this information comes anyway, Let's just say in the
Speaker 4: eighteen Echo course before the movie came out, one of
Speaker 4: our biggest lessons learned in the eighteen Echo course about
Speaker 4: checking your radios and having crypto in your radios came
Speaker 4: from that ambition and the failures of that and the
Speaker 4: backside of that. And because there's someone potentially over there
Speaker 4: that was involved in that, that knows that that's what's happened.
Speaker 4: That was before the movie, that was before the book.
Speaker 4: It was just known. It was part of the course
Speaker 4: we taught it as a learning lesson about how dumb
Speaker 4: this was and how this whole story was bullshit. Right,
Speaker 4: So like to your point, that was just that was
Speaker 4: just common knowledge, right, that was fifteen years ago, that
Speaker 4: that was common Yeah, twelve years ago now that was
Speaker 4: common common knowledge. So to your point, like, yeah, and
Speaker 4: Chris Kyle, right, like all of these things, Rob O'Neil
Speaker 4: is a great one as well. I don't want to
Speaker 4: knock the dude, but it was like when that came out,
Speaker 4: like I had Delta Force buddies who were like, yeah,
Speaker 4: fucking that didn't happen. Yeah, that was like immediately right
Speaker 4: now he didn't kill him. Yeah, and you're just like, oh, okay, right,
Speaker 4: but yeah, and then you just move on with your
Speaker 4: life because you're active duty and you don't give a
Speaker 4: shit nobody and you're not talking about it. Yes, the
Speaker 4: vast majority of these things are just like they're just
Speaker 4: common knowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you think that it's sort of all
Speaker 2: It's not not only is it all coming out? I
Speaker 2: mean journalists and other people wrote about this stuff ten
Speaker 2: years ago. But why do you think it's hitting so
Speaker 2: hard right now? And it seems like people are are
Speaker 2: And I got to answer, yeah, they're they're ready to
Speaker 2: hear it. I mean, is it because the wars are over?
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 4: It's No, I think it's societal. I think twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five is where we are in a moment
Speaker 4: of truth telling and authenticity in everything in society. You
Speaker 4: look across the board, no matter what it's been over
Speaker 4: the last years, it's like the Epstein shit, the Ditty shit.
Speaker 4: It's like all lies are being Kat Williams came out
Speaker 4: and said it a year ago, all lies will be exposed.
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty four, everybody thought he was crazy and Kat.
Speaker 1: Williams was exposed as had never even been a marine.
Speaker 4: Right. So, but my point is, I just think we
Speaker 4: are in an era of extreme authenticity that people for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, and Tim Kennedy like the list goes on
Speaker 4: of just people being exposed out of nowhere. I don't
Speaker 4: think it's specifically a g I think I think the
Speaker 4: war ending does have a big part of it. Because
Speaker 4: people are bored, right, It's like we don't have anything
Speaker 4: to do, so let's let's talk about drama because there's
Speaker 4: no war to talk about. I do think there is
Speaker 4: a portion of that on top of just the overarching
Speaker 4: society being like thirsty for truth because we've kind of
Speaker 4: been living in a disinformation whether I'm not saying like
Speaker 4: right wing left wing, but just in general, so many
Speaker 4: people like kind of being like we're just been lied
Speaker 4: to for so long about everything that people are I
Speaker 4: don't want to say waking up, but it feels like
Speaker 4: we're kind of in like, yeah, waking up the time, right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it just kind of feels like that. And I think
Speaker 4: that that's just part of the way it's going right now,
Speaker 4: is like people are looking for truth and they're analyzing
Speaker 4: things a lot closer than we used to. I guess,
Speaker 4: so that'd be.
Speaker 1: That's no, that's a great answer. Yeah. I hadn't even
Speaker 1: thought of it that way.
Speaker 2: So, I, uh, because people send me this stuff, I
Speaker 2: did watch, uh, well, I watched your video this afternoon,
Speaker 2: but I also I think last night I watched Brent
Speaker 2: Tucker and his anti hero podcast. We've had Brent on
Speaker 2: the show before, h Yeah, with with Tim's teammates, and
Speaker 2: I have to say that. You know, my my take
Speaker 2: on the whole thing is like, Okay, if he's making
Speaker 2: up all these stories, that's bad for a whole series
Speaker 2: of moral reasons, historical, factual veracity.
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of reasons why that's wrong.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like I kind
Speaker 2: of just feel sorry for that person that they're so
Speaker 2: insecure they're making that stuff up. But you know what,
Speaker 2: what what kind of asked me up watching Brent's interview
Speaker 2: with those guys was the way Tim raked his boys
Speaker 2: over the coals and his book unnecessarily and unjust.
Speaker 4: All the time.
Speaker 2: And that's that's a really low thing to do, you know,
Speaker 2: especially over something that's not true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean even if it were, but it wasn't true.
Speaker 5: And so where where does that come? Where does that
Speaker 5: need to not only prompt on self up with lies?
Speaker 4: Well, I gonna tell you where it came from. Do
Speaker 4: we want to call fucking call spatus babe? Sure, be real,
Speaker 4: I'll call Spatus babe, be real. Tim Kennedy. Tim Kennedy
Speaker 4: did what two years on an ODA? He's got two deployments.
Speaker 4: I know, I've got his official military records. I know
Speaker 4: I've had him the entire time. That's how I put
Speaker 4: all this content out. He's got two deployments. He became
Speaker 4: a Green Beret, went to Iraq in two thousand and
Speaker 4: six as part of a sift team that he wasn't
Speaker 4: so far to qualified for, which means he wouldn't have
Speaker 4: been allowed to go on any of the fucking missions
Speaker 4: to begin with. So he didn't do jack shit in
Speaker 4: that deployment. And then his next deployment, he's a new
Speaker 4: E six, right, he goes to Afghanistan and he's an
Speaker 4: LENO for the checksoff which I can tell you this,
Speaker 4: where do you put your biggest piece of shit in
Speaker 4: the company, the leno at Bath. Yeah, that's where you
Speaker 4: send him because nobody fucking wants him on a team.
Speaker 4: Like again, I'm just calling a spade of space, right,
Speaker 4: So he was an le and O for the checksoft
Speaker 4: working at Bath. Nobody wanted him, and he gets to
Speaker 4: go out. I'm finally on this one mission, right, which
Speaker 4: apparently he did a fine job. Like he was just
Speaker 4: a young new dude on a first kind of like
Speaker 4: the first time out in Afghanistan. No big deal, that's
Speaker 4: actually I'm not criticizing that. He obviously then writes an
Speaker 4: entire book about how he's like the hero of the
Speaker 4: entire story. That's that's complete bullshit, But that's like his
Speaker 4: one mission. So he in combat, like he talks about
Speaker 4: all these people he killed. I if I had to
Speaker 4: put like gun to my kid's head, has Tim Kennedy
Speaker 4: ever killed a human being?
Speaker 1: Before?
Speaker 4: I would say no, I would say absolutely fucking not.
Speaker 4: He's never. He hasn't killed nimoy, that would be my guess.
Speaker 4: So what I mean by that is he's a dude
Speaker 4: that did two years on the teams. He had two
Speaker 4: non eventful combat deployments where he barely did anything, and
Speaker 4: then he went National Garden and got out. Then he
Speaker 4: decided he needed to be a war hero. And so
Speaker 4: he then decides he's so insecure about not having done much,
Speaker 4: he builds this giant war hero persona where he writes
Speaker 4: all these books and makes up all these valor awards.
Speaker 4: That's I think the true story of Tim Kennedy's military.
Speaker 4: So you think I haven't wanted to beat him up,
Speaker 4: but I think that's reality because why else would you
Speaker 4: do this? You aren't that guy bro, Like you just
Speaker 4: weren't that guy.
Speaker 2: So you think that him throwing his boys under the
Speaker 2: bus like that is basically him putting up a smoke screen,
Speaker 2: like look at all these pieces of shit on the
Speaker 2: real hero.
Speaker 4: I think it's an insecurity thing. Like you said, I
Speaker 4: think he looked around like, because I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 4: not insecure. I'm secured my service had a great career.
Speaker 4: But I look at some of my teammates that got
Speaker 4: I have oda teammates that have silver stars, and I
Speaker 4: look at them and in my own head, I'm like,
Speaker 4: and I have valor awards in combat wards a lot
Speaker 4: more than most people. But I still look at those
Speaker 4: guys and I'm like, fuck, I didn't do I didn't
Speaker 4: do shit right, right, And I think what he did
Speaker 4: is he really didn't do shit, and that he's also
Speaker 4: insane level egomaniac, narcissist. Right. I don't think he gives
Speaker 4: a fuck about his teammates. I don't think he cares
Speaker 4: about anybody but himself. So yes, I think he decided
Speaker 4: I'm going to put every because this is what a
Speaker 4: lot of people do. Right, to feel better about myself,
Speaker 4: I put others down. That's not a rare thing in society.
Speaker 4: That's a very normal human behavior, and I think that's
Speaker 4: what he decided to do. In an era of two
Speaker 4: thousand and eight to two thousand and nine twenty ten,
Speaker 4: social media wasn't a big thing, right, you like what
Speaker 4: people were putting things on the Internet not thinking about
Speaker 4: them being there were.
Speaker 2: A lot of soft guys on social media at that
Speaker 2: time at all.
Speaker 4: That's my point. So I think he just he figured
Speaker 4: he could say the shit because there was no soft
Speaker 4: guys on social media and he could just get away
Speaker 4: with it. And here's the thing he did. Yeah, he
Speaker 4: got away with it for a long fucking time. And
Speaker 4: I think once you start lying like that, you don't
Speaker 4: get caught in two thousand and eight, you don't get
Speaker 4: caught in two thousand and nine. You're going on Joe Rogan,
Speaker 4: You're going like, ten years later, you haven't been caught
Speaker 4: and no one's called you out at that point, like
Speaker 4: you believe your own fucking story. But yeah, so that
Speaker 4: that would be my guest. Jack. I think it's I
Speaker 4: think it's utter insecure, which I know people are like
Speaker 4: so crazy, like how is a fucking Green Bray UFC
Speaker 4: fighter This insanely insecure, but that doesn't matter for men, right, Like,
Speaker 4: as men again, you can look at your teammates, who
Speaker 4: are all these grizzled, fucking combat veterans that did all
Speaker 4: this fucking badass stuff and you didn't, And that internalizes
Speaker 4: as I have to get out and make myself feel
Speaker 4: like I was that guy. And I think that's what
Speaker 4: it is for him.
Speaker 5: Especially for the types of guys that go into special operations,
Speaker 5: they are very I think a lot of us are
Speaker 5: very sort of achievement driven, right, we're as we always
Speaker 5: want to conquer that next that next challenge, whatever it is.
Speaker 5: And and for people who don't, this is the thought
Speaker 5: process because and I'll say this as a peacetime ranger, right,
Speaker 5: this is the thought process that probably everybody goes through.
Speaker 1: Man, I really want to go to combat. I really
Speaker 1: want to go well, I really want to be a ranger. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I really want to go to combat.
Speaker 5: And then like during my time, it didn't happen, but
Speaker 5: then it goes.
Speaker 1: Then you finally go to combat and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I really want to get a firefight.
Speaker 5: You know, if you did a combat, you get a firefight,
Speaker 5: and then you get in a firefight. You're like, I
Speaker 5: don't think I killed somebody, Like I really want to
Speaker 5: kill somebody. And then you kill somebody, it's like, well
Speaker 5: it's just one, like maybe that was lucky.
Speaker 1: And and then and.
Speaker 5: Then it's like, oh, I really like to get you know,
Speaker 5: an art com with a V device or a Bronze
Speaker 5: Star with V device.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh I got a broad Star with a VD. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have.
Speaker 5: A Solar Star or I don't have a purple heart,
Speaker 5: Like there's always something more to look.
Speaker 4: At that Dave, you call it, you just called me
Speaker 4: out because that was me. That was me then chasing
Speaker 4: like moving my family to Japan to try to get
Speaker 4: on the next rotation because my buddy former eighteen Delta
Speaker 4: was the team sergeant go into the next Afghanistan rotation
Speaker 4: to skipswick like appalling my hire like family to do
Speaker 4: that just to like, oh I got to get that
Speaker 4: next one. I get to get that next one. So
Speaker 4: I dealt with that myself, like internally, so one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And there is that I got to the point where
Speaker 4: I was just the main element leader literally running combat operations.
Speaker 4: But you're still like, well, I need to get a
Speaker 4: little bit higher than that, right, Like, you're right, like
Speaker 4: I need to get an even bigger near ambush and
Speaker 4: right like, well my my my buddy next to me's
Speaker 4: got a silver star and I only have an RCMB,
Speaker 4: so now I need to b SMB. Right. So that's
Speaker 4: a really very rare, a very real thing.
Speaker 5: And the thing is, there's no real top unless you
Speaker 5: were like in Delta and got a Medal of Honor
Speaker 5: with like.
Speaker 4: Eight right hearts.
Speaker 5: Like that's the only thing because like, I have friends
Speaker 5: who won valor awards are not purple hearts, and they
Speaker 5: were confessional, And every time we talk about something practically,
Speaker 5: they'll they'll say, well, you know, I was never in soft,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, yes, like we've known each other for years.
Speaker 5: I know you were never a soft, but you did
Speaker 5: real Please stop sing everything with I was never in soft.
Speaker 5: I know it's right, and I still admire like everything you.
Speaker 4: Did, you know, yeah, oh yeah for sure. So yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, and man, you want to talk,
Speaker 4: let me do it on a side real quick, because
Speaker 4: I always love to shout out regular infantry and marines
Speaker 4: because I don't think they get enough credit for the
Speaker 4: crazy shit they went through in g Watt, one of
Speaker 4: my buddies who is a Delta Force legend. He was
Speaker 4: just inducted into the Oregon Military Hall of Fame. On
Speaker 4: every like high profile mission that there was in the
Speaker 4: first fifteen years of the war. He told a story
Speaker 4: at his induction ceremony because he was also part of
Speaker 4: the Delta Force group that went in to save the
Speaker 4: Marines in Fallujah that were getting basically overrun out of
Speaker 4: that building where they had to bring the tanks in.
Speaker 4: If you've heard Cody Alfred's story, he was one of
Speaker 4: the Delta Fortes. He was the Delta Force medic in
Speaker 4: that story that Cody Alford actually.
Speaker 2: Didn't Hallama get a DSc for that, I believe, so yeah,
Speaker 2: But anyway, he told that.
Speaker 4: He told that story at his induction Hall of Fame induction.
Speaker 4: That was the war story he decided to tell as
Speaker 4: the craziest combat that he had ever seen and ever
Speaker 4: been in in his entire career with regular Fallujah Marines. Right,
Speaker 4: that was the craziest thing one of the most decorated
Speaker 4: Delta Force operators had ever been in. So you hear
Speaker 4: that and you're like, dude, these fucking eighteen nineteen year
Speaker 4: old kids. And this was in two thousand and three
Speaker 4: and two thousand and six, when like we didn't know
Speaker 4: about CQB, we didn't know shit about urban combat like that.
Speaker 4: We learned everything that we know now from that shit.
Speaker 4: And these just eighteen and nineteen year old kids like
Speaker 4: went in and did that. It blows anything I did
Speaker 4: in combat so far out of the water that I
Speaker 4: always looked at those guys in admiration. So when I
Speaker 4: hear guys be like, oh, I was just a three
Speaker 4: eleven marine, and You're like, that's in fallusion. Yeah right,
Speaker 4: that's not that's not just a bro. That's like, shit,
Speaker 4: well beyond I ever did when and when you were nineteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's to say, like even like the Nasty Guard, right,
Speaker 5: like you know, before the ge Wat, it was the
Speaker 5: Nasty Guard. And then you see these kids, these you
Speaker 5: know Arkansas kids out in the heat in Solder City,
Speaker 5: like going Winchester in their you know strikers or their
Speaker 5: Bradley's or whatever in Solder City and getting their A
Speaker 5: cogs shut off their rifles. It's like, yeah, there's no
Speaker 5: separation anymore.
Speaker 4: Like Yeah, when I tell people, I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: like and that that blowout near Ambush I was in
Speaker 4: where my entire team got beall awards from silver Star down. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I got fucking I got like breakfast the chow hal
Speaker 4: that morning when I got off the plane at CAF right, right,
Speaker 4: Like that's a whole different war to be working inn
Speaker 4: than that early phase of the world. Like I'm not,
Speaker 4: I don't tell any wise about that, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: just different.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I always say that the Soft Mission it was tough,
Speaker 5: it was dangerous, but it was also pretty guccy for
Speaker 5: the most part.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, especially especially in the two thousand once we
Speaker 4: got out of the s O and we went back
Speaker 4: to the fobs and just operated just doing like halves
Speaker 4: and gabs out of the fobs. Like, that's a very different,
Speaker 4: very different war than the first half.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, yeah, So so what do you think
Speaker 5: because when it comes, you know, like we see so
Speaker 5: I'm gonna talk about stolen valor, but not with the
Speaker 5: capital S, capital V like the federal law of stolen valor,
Speaker 5: but actually just the idea of stolen valor about lying about.
Speaker 4: There and there is there is a difference, right, Like
Speaker 4: if if you want to tell the audience, like what
Speaker 4: real stolen valor means?
Speaker 5: Valor is a federal crime and a crime in most
Speaker 5: states I think too. But for the federal statute, in fact,
Speaker 5: they had to change it.
Speaker 1: They had like they had to.
Speaker 5: Narrow it down because it did impede on First Amendment rights.
Speaker 5: But what it is down to now is I I
Speaker 5: think it was twenty thirteen, is if you lie about
Speaker 5: purple hearts or valor awards or combat uh car combat
Speaker 5: actually all the ib ch U c abs and uh
Speaker 5: what's the other on.
Speaker 1: CMB.
Speaker 5: So if you lie about those those very narrow things
Speaker 5: valor awards, purple hearts or combat awards is a federal crime.
Speaker 4: Well, but there's even a bigger caveat for specific monetary.
Speaker 1: Monetary game for monetary game.
Speaker 5: Correct, So somebody walking around saying that they were Delta
Speaker 5: Force and you know, did all these that's not that's
Speaker 5: not stolen valor as.
Speaker 1: It's labeled as a crime.
Speaker 5: We might say it's stolen valor, but but we have
Speaker 5: to say that it's it's like.
Speaker 1: A small S small V stolen valor.
Speaker 4: It's not actually like like Tim's entire book, that's a
Speaker 4: small S small V. Right, like he he made up
Speaker 4: a bunch of war stories. That's but if he's lying
Speaker 4: about I call it stolen valor. But I mean, well,
Speaker 4: he didn't lie about val words in the book that
Speaker 4: was on his Facebook page and over the place. But
Speaker 4: like I'm just giving your audience context, like a bunch
Speaker 4: of made up war stories, like Dave saying, that's not
Speaker 4: like official stolen ballot.
Speaker 5: Right, So a lot of times when we say stolen valor,
Speaker 5: and I've changed my language a lot, and I rarely
Speaker 5: say stolen valor now, all like like Tim Waltz, Steve
Speaker 5: Slayton out of Arizona, the Republican candidate who got torpedoed
Speaker 5: for lying about being on these secret ops, Tim Waltz
Speaker 5: about his time in combat, Troy Nels, the Republican who
Speaker 5: was wearing CIB when all he was authorized was a
Speaker 5: C A B.
Speaker 1: You know, things like.
Speaker 5: This, and and again like this isn't political. We should
Speaker 5: call it out wherever we see.
Speaker 2: It, especially with public officials, especially with public officials, Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: but but the thing is is.
Speaker 1: That it so talking about storm dollar.
Speaker 5: Like we have the guys in the mall wearing uniforms
Speaker 5: that they bought at the Army Navy trying to get
Speaker 5: you know, a starter.
Speaker 4: The homeless guy in an army shirt, right, yep.
Speaker 5: But what's really weird to me is when we see
Speaker 5: it inside the service, and we see it two different ways.
Speaker 1: I think we see it with people.
Speaker 5: Who you know, we're a fuel depot operator and say
Speaker 5: that you know they were an know three to eleven
Speaker 5: or that they were s or that they were this
Speaker 5: or that. Ye, And then we see it in our
Speaker 5: own right, we see it with like Tim Kennedy and
Speaker 5: Chris Kyle. There may be another personality out there making
Speaker 5: the rounds talking about acting his way through Afghan checkpoints,
Speaker 5: which we all know is not something.
Speaker 1: That one is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's somebody on my radar too. I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna say, but yeah, there's a few more that there's
Speaker 4: some potential too.
Speaker 5: And so you know, I'm curious what you think and
Speaker 5: both of you, really, where do you are these people
Speaker 5: just habitual liars and at any point along the way
Speaker 5: if they hadn't been in the military, where they lie
Speaker 5: and say they're a military or are they people who
Speaker 5: are unimpressed by what they did, even if they did
Speaker 5: great things and always want it to be a little
Speaker 5: bit more.
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, yeah, I guess I'll take that. I
Speaker 4: think for one, I want to say what let me
Speaker 4: say what's worse? Okay, because I think I want people
Speaker 4: to know this. What's worse? A is a Green Beret
Speaker 4: lying about having valor awards worse than a homeless guy
Speaker 4: on the street wearing an armyp T shirt. Kami, Yes,
Speaker 4: eight million, thousand times percent. Tim Kennedy's stolen valor to
Speaker 4: me is ten thousand times worse than the marine cook
Speaker 4: who said that he was an infantryman. Why, well, because
Speaker 4: the expectations are a thousand times higher on you for
Speaker 4: your character, right, Okay, So that's that's where I want
Speaker 4: to come from from there. Why they do it? Oh
Speaker 4: my god, that is we're getting it. We need to
Speaker 4: get a psychiatrist on that, because again, like especially in
Speaker 4: the soft ranks. Right and let me let me just
Speaker 4: talk about Rob O'Neil. Okay, as a example, I don't
Speaker 4: beat Rob O'Neil up because Rob O'Neil is a fucking
Speaker 4: war hero. The dude has silver stars, not from that
Speaker 4: fucking operation. He is well known as a badass, motherfucking warfighter. However, Comma,
Speaker 4: we also have this other fucking side of the coin,
Speaker 4: where he very obviously didn't kill Osama bin Lauden and
Speaker 4: has written books and then made millions of dollars off
Speaker 4: of those fake stories. How do we get that psychologically?
Speaker 4: I have no idea because I can't transplant myself into
Speaker 4: the brain of that, because I am so hyper careful
Speaker 4: myself about when I talk about these things to make
Speaker 4: sure that I don't delineate from the truth at all,
Speaker 4: that I can't comprehend about how these dudes can just
Speaker 4: blatantly lie to not only like the American people's faces,
Speaker 4: but like that's like, we know it's not true, and
Speaker 4: you're telling us to our faces. We're fucking dumb. So
Speaker 4: maybe Jack's got a better take that out of me psychologically,
Speaker 4: But for me, I don't understand it. I wish I
Speaker 4: had a better answer for that, but I just I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't think I have necessarily a good
Speaker 2: answer or a satisfying answer. I think, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: these people are driven by massive insecurities, and.
Speaker 1: We've we've touched upon it a little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are a lot of insecurities and special operations.
Speaker 2: I mean we're oh yeah, We're always testing each other,
Speaker 2: testing ourselves. Am I good enough? You know the self
Speaker 2: talk that you mentioned, You know what? I live up
Speaker 2: to these guys. Am I as good as that guy
Speaker 2: over there. There's a lot of that, But most of
Speaker 2: of us have that inner dialogue of like, you know,
Speaker 2: this is what is real and this is what is not.
Speaker 2: And some folks, yeah, are just so insecure that they
Speaker 2: feel they need to do that.
Speaker 1: It's sad for me.
Speaker 2: I think it's sad, And I actually don't like the
Speaker 2: term I'm nitpicking stupid stuff. I don't like stolen valor
Speaker 2: as a term, because nobody can steal whatever you did, Nate, Like,
Speaker 2: those are your experiences.
Speaker 1: Whatever Dave did.
Speaker 2: The guy walking around the mall pretending he was a
Speaker 2: colonel in Delta Force is not taking anything away from
Speaker 2: the service of any real soldier.
Speaker 1: I understand there are real concerns.
Speaker 2: Some of these people are like defrauding women and it's
Speaker 2: terrible stuff. Yeah, sure, but I don't I don't like
Speaker 2: on a personal level. I don't get jazzed up about
Speaker 2: that so much. But you are right when it comes
Speaker 2: to guys within the ranks, the expectation of someone who
Speaker 2: is a ranger or a seal or a Green Beret
Speaker 2: is higher, and we expect that you're at least going
Speaker 2: to make an effort to tell an honest perspective if
Speaker 2: you decide to.
Speaker 4: I do think let's let's be honest. Though, we got
Speaker 4: to talk about monetary game. Yes, it has been massively lucrative.
Speaker 4: Millions and millions and millions of dollars that have been
Speaker 4: made off of guys like Lattrelle and Kennedy and Rob
Speaker 4: O'Neil so and and Jocko. Not saying I'm not lumping
Speaker 4: Jocko in with them, but I'm saying there is millions
Speaker 4: and millions of dollars to be made in this arena,
Speaker 4: and I do think that we can't discredit that completely
Speaker 4: as well as a huge portion for some of these guys.
Speaker 4: And the reason why I say that the Tim Kennedy debacco,
Speaker 4: I think is the best case of that because what
Speaker 4: he decided was when he got caught by the veteran community.
Speaker 4: Right when we all we saw the anti hero podcast.
Speaker 4: I put out all the times he's lied about the
Speaker 4: Valler Woods. He got the veteran community, the soft community.
Speaker 4: We all said, Okay, he's exposed, he decided to come
Speaker 4: up with the crazy rebuttals and like try to fight it,
Speaker 4: do the Lance Armstrong thing, so that he basically said,
Speaker 4: I don't give a shit about the veteran community. I
Speaker 4: don't care about the soft community. I'm going to Playkate
Speaker 4: to the civilians who don't know better and try to
Speaker 4: hold on for dear life to that monetary section of
Speaker 4: my demographic. So I do think millions of dollars in
Speaker 4: fame I think is enticing right. So I think that
Speaker 4: does have a big part.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 5: And you know, we were kind of talking about this
Speaker 5: before the show. But when we see people and I'm
Speaker 5: going to talk about like Wayne Simmons, who was on
Speaker 5: Fox for a long time during the gy as a CIA,
Speaker 5: you know, expert former CIA who is never in the CIA.
Speaker 5: You know, we talk about Malcolm Nance and a lot
Speaker 5: of like the lies, you know, the things that he
Speaker 5: said is getting him the positions, and you know, Tim
Speaker 5: that that somehow these people who are willing to go
Speaker 5: out there and say things that can be that can
Speaker 5: be disproven, but but by the time they catch that momentum,
Speaker 5: we're just like the people who can disprove it are
Speaker 5: just like little reedy voices, you know, like they're up
Speaker 5: there already.
Speaker 4: And go to go to Tim Kennedy's Instagram post where
Speaker 4: he admitted last night that he doesn't have our words
Speaker 4: and purple hearts, and look at the comment section and
Speaker 4: look at the twenty thousand likes that are on that video. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like we we talked about me and the Anti Hero podcast.
Speaker 4: My videos have done half a million views on Tim Kennedy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that's that's baby numbers to compare to the
Speaker 4: average person that sees him on Fox News that has
Speaker 4: no fucking clue, right, no clue, and they're not going
Speaker 4: to right and they can, Like you said, these are
Speaker 4: just tiny little voices that like the community knows, the
Speaker 4: veteran community knows, but like from large scale. Was just
Speaker 4: on Fox News three days ago talking about the Lisensburger thing, right,
Speaker 4: So it obviously it's not reaching like what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Even with that, And this is the biggest most exposed
Speaker 4: case of a soft dude being a fraud that we've
Speaker 4: ever seen. And again he's doing fine, Like.
Speaker 1: What do you what can you do?
Speaker 5: Like the media, the media complex, you know, and right left,
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter they're not going to turn their back
Speaker 5: on the people that they invested in.
Speaker 4: No, neither, and here's big let's call it more spades
Speaker 4: of spade, and neither is the Department of Defense or
Speaker 4: Special Forces Committment. Right Why because this dude has been
Speaker 4: an amazing fucking recruiting tool for the last fifteen years.
Speaker 4: UFC fighter Jason Born, Tim Kennedy, Green Beret. Yeah, they're
Speaker 4: they're not about to interject themselves into this ship. And
Speaker 4: now again, I think he's a liability now, and I
Speaker 4: think they might realize that. I think we're going to
Speaker 4: find some things coming out of use in SoC here
Speaker 4: pretty soon. But to your guys' point, like they like
Speaker 4: the news media, the apparatus, the DoD like they don't
Speaker 4: give a shit about our quarrels and exposing stuff.
Speaker 2: This is another thing that I wanted to bring up
Speaker 2: during this show when talking about responsibility.
Speaker 1: Do we have a responsibility to speak out?
Speaker 2: Do you think the commands have a responsibility to speak
Speaker 2: out at a certain point, like does it reach a
Speaker 2: level of let's call it stolen valor that there is
Speaker 2: a real responsibility for the command to come forward and say,
Speaker 2: you know, just factually this is what happened.
Speaker 1: This is what happened. This is what happened.
Speaker 2: Do you think it gets to that point or do
Speaker 2: you think it gets there?
Speaker 1: And when does it get there?
Speaker 4: Do they have a responsibility to yes? Will they know why?
Speaker 4: Because look at Marcus Latrell's story. He just came out
Speaker 4: on a podcast the other day talking about how the
Speaker 4: Navy wrote that book for him, sent him on a
Speaker 4: book tour, gave him all his lawyers, and then send
Speaker 4: him on his way to so that he could be
Speaker 4: the great recruiting tool tool for the US Navy for
Speaker 4: the next fifteen years. The Navy did that. Marcus said that,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that I showed that in an episode
Speaker 4: on podcast he did. I'm not knocking Marcus for that.
Speaker 4: I'm saying the Navy did that. So do I have
Speaker 4: any expectations that command is going to come out and
Speaker 4: do the right thing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Could they. The Sergeant major of the Army was just
Speaker 4: on the Jedburgh podcast. You're telling me you couldn't have
Speaker 4: the first Special Forces Command commander come on and talk
Speaker 4: about how we're going to look into the biggest fraud
Speaker 4: of a Green Beret that's ever existed of course they could.
Speaker 4: Will they. No, I don't think they're going to touch
Speaker 4: it with a ten foot pole. I think they're gonna
Speaker 4: let him. I think it's it might be getting to
Speaker 4: the point now I will say this, Tim Kennedy did
Speaker 4: not come out and admit to all this stuff last
Speaker 4: night for no reason. Okay, he didn't do it out
Speaker 4: of the goodness of his heart. Let's leave it at that.
Speaker 4: We'll see how that plays out over the next week,
Speaker 4: a couple weeks. He's not a great it's not because
Speaker 4: he just decided had this moral epiphany that like, oh,
Speaker 4: I should probably be honest. Now there's some reasons, so
Speaker 4: I do think at some point, when it becomes a
Speaker 4: massive liability to the Special Forces Regiment or the DoD
Speaker 4: you gotta do something right. But will they. I don't
Speaker 4: have a whole lot of confidence. I just don't. I've
Speaker 4: never and and maybe this is biased as an NCO,
Speaker 4: but I have just never had any faith in the
Speaker 4: General Officer Corps to do the right thing. I look
Speaker 4: at guys like General Millie, I look at guys like
Speaker 4: General Austin, and I just don't. Man, Like, you haven't
Speaker 4: produced anything to tell me that you're going to do
Speaker 4: the right thing. Okay, So that's where I come from
Speaker 4: on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The other thing that was interesting or that is interesting
Speaker 5: to me and Jack and I were talking about this too,
Speaker 5: is that these people, like the people that we've talked about,
Speaker 5: who will go out there and blake me light in
Speaker 5: a world where people know the truth, in a world
Speaker 5: like you're not telling some girl in a bar where
Speaker 5: she has no way of fact checking you. You're not
Speaker 5: like behind the scenes telling producers the secret things that
Speaker 5: you can't say. You're out there. You know people are
Speaker 5: are going to see through it.
Speaker 4: Did you see my video this morning, Tim Kennedy? The
Speaker 4: the International Sports Hall of Fame induction was introduced as
Speaker 4: having a bronze star medal with valor in front of
Speaker 4: Arnold Schwarzenegger. So, like you just said, they like that
Speaker 4: is is in your face as it gets lies And
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, this wasn't even two thousand and nine.
Speaker 5: You can always say, well, I don't know why they
Speaker 5: said this, Like, no, you gave them your bio to read.
Speaker 4: That's your script, right, that's your script, you know? Yeah,
Speaker 4: of course, And I will say this because the more
Speaker 4: i've like I've unpackaged this with the Valor Awards statements.
Speaker 4: What Tim has done other than when he said it
Speaker 4: on his own Facebook page and he fucked up and
Speaker 4: he'd put it on his own website. Right, he has
Speaker 4: specifically done it on his own channels. But what he's
Speaker 4: been really good about because I showed thirty different times
Speaker 4: this has happened. In interviews. He'll get the interviewer to
Speaker 4: introduce him as someone with a bronze star medal with
Speaker 4: Valor and he won't refute it. He won't acknowledge it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I've picked it apart and I've been very careful
Speaker 4: to see how he does it. He doesn't refute it,
Speaker 4: but he also want to, Like he doesn't acknowledge it,
Speaker 4: but he also doesn't say hey stop, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? So he's very he's very he's not dumb,
Speaker 4: he's clever, right, but like it's caught up at.
Speaker 5: The Yeah, Malcolm Nan says that he does the same
Speaker 5: thing where when he's shown on like a newscast or whatever,
Speaker 5: it'll say like naval intelligence officer or counter terrorism intelligence officerare.
Speaker 1: It's never intelligence officer. He was a he was a
Speaker 1: sing guy in the Navy.
Speaker 5: Right, and and the thing is like, if he's not
Speaker 5: saying it, is it his fault?
Speaker 4: Well, I say yes, because like, here's the thing. If
Speaker 4: I came on your Guys' podcast and Jack introduced me
Speaker 4: as Silver Star recipient Nate Krnakia, and I just sat
Speaker 4: silently and let the fucking episode go on. No, that
Speaker 4: is me acknowledging that I have a fucking silver Star period,
Speaker 4: like it is my duty. And I would I would panic,
Speaker 4: I would like, oh my god, Jack, please no, like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 4: let's back this up. I do not have right. But no,
Speaker 4: when you're when you that video, I say, where he
Speaker 4: he's sitting there like his face getting talked to when
Speaker 4: it's like Tim Kennedy Valor Award or like Bronzar Medal
Speaker 4: with b device for Valor under fire and then he
Speaker 4: stands up and walks to the podium and gives his speech. No,
Speaker 4: so sorry, so that's a that's a no go.
Speaker 1: So the the time to kind of cap off.
Speaker 5: Like one of the things I think about these people
Speaker 5: who like make these things up and then get so
Speaker 5: much acclaim for it because they're out there, like a
Speaker 5: lot of them, some of them are running charitable foundations,
Speaker 5: right like.
Speaker 1: But but these people, I think that there's an element.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't want to call him narcissist because
Speaker 5: I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but there has
Speaker 5: to be an element of narcissism.
Speaker 4: There. Are you there, Nate, Yeah, I'm here. Can you
Speaker 4: guys hear me, We hear you.
Speaker 1: We just can't see you.
Speaker 4: I might. I might have lost my camera stand by one, Okay,
Speaker 4: I can I have to switch to the shitty cam
Speaker 4: for the end of this. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So they these people, I think where we see the
Speaker 5: narcissism on display is they.
Speaker 4: Are sorry, guys, we lost the good camera.
Speaker 1: I got you.
Speaker 5: They are far more successful in the public sphere than
Speaker 5: people who actually did the jobs they said they were doing,
Speaker 5: which just goes to show.
Speaker 2: It speaks to a sort of corruption of the institutions
Speaker 2: as a whole, like this media complex and the special
Speaker 2: forces or I should just say military commands, the CIA
Speaker 2: in some instances that they're all sort of either turning
Speaker 2: a blind eye or not doing the right thing, or
Speaker 2: blatantly doing the wrong thing. That leads to these sorts
Speaker 2: of some of the worst grossest voices rising to the top.
Speaker 4: Right, yes, no, And I've called I've called it kind
Speaker 4: of like the old guard purge. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: a purge of the old soft guard. A lot of
Speaker 4: these guys that they've been the face of the softcomming
Speaker 4: unity for ten fifteen years and they're being exposed. So
Speaker 4: the question is is, like what happens next. I think
Speaker 4: it's good, right, because I just had I would say,
Speaker 4: three hours ago, a group of dudes from the Q
Speaker 4: course who were in language school, who reached out to me.
Speaker 4: They were like, I love your show, Like, hey, keep
Speaker 4: doing what you're doing. We love that you're exposing shithead
Speaker 4: green berets. We all look up to you. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4: What that tells me is like we have, like we
Speaker 4: have the young generation still coming up, still coming through,
Speaker 4: and they're still looking up to guys, right, and the
Speaker 4: guys that they're looking up to. If there are all
Speaker 4: these like shithead grifters like that, are that are writing
Speaker 4: books about carrying rucksacks full of fifty fucking grenades, right,
Speaker 4: like throwing grenades at women and children, that's the example
Speaker 4: that we're setting for that next generation. No, I don't
Speaker 4: think we can do that and I think again, when
Speaker 4: you talk about having a responsibility to call these things out,
Speaker 4: I think that's where the responsibility it also falls is like,
Speaker 4: I'm not like Jay over at Greenbery Chronicles or Jake's
Speaker 4: wegg that are like hyper focused on developing the next generation.
Speaker 4: I don't have the time for it. But I still
Speaker 4: try to do mentorship here and there. But I mean like,
Speaker 4: I'm also still trying to be a good representation for
Speaker 4: those dudes. And again, I know, I did a whole
Speaker 4: video about how not to look up to me. I'm
Speaker 4: not your role model, YadA, YadA, YadA, but as a whole,
Speaker 4: like the guys that are trying to go into the military,
Speaker 4: into soft combat, arms, infantry, whatever you're doing, I remember
Speaker 4: I looked up to those guys too, man, and it's
Speaker 4: just natural. So having good I've said this from the
Speaker 4: start of my channel. Having good representations of what it
Speaker 4: means to be a soft soldier, I think is hyper
Speaker 4: important in this social media spage because everybody I get
Speaker 4: this comment all the time, you should be a silent professional, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4: It's twenty twenty five, right, social media chat GPT. There
Speaker 4: is no more like while your active duties. Yeah, one
Speaker 4: hundred percent. You should not be like, but to tell
Speaker 4: me as a veteran that that's in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: I can't talk about these things, right, like pound sand Man, Right,
Speaker 4: But again that that's kind of my take is, like
Speaker 4: we do kind of have a responsibility to shore up
Speaker 4: our own make sure our ship bags, because I think
Speaker 4: about it in the company or in the team room.
Speaker 4: If I get a ship bag on a team or
Speaker 4: in the company, we take care of that, right, we
Speaker 4: take care of that. Dude, he does not. He gets
Speaker 4: kicked off the team, He gets sent to the arms room. Right,
Speaker 4: So why should it be any different when we get
Speaker 4: out in the veteran community. Why should we stop policing
Speaker 4: our own. That's kind of my take on it.
Speaker 2: I guess, Yeah, where in your mind's eye, if we're
Speaker 2: to like skip forward a little bit, where do you
Speaker 2: see this going for Tim Kennedy? Like I think Brent
Speaker 2: is going to keep making podcasts of every chapter of
Speaker 2: Tim's book for the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's only he's only two chapters, like the chapter book.
Speaker 1: I mean, where where do you see it going? You know,
Speaker 1: over the long haul? For for Tim?
Speaker 4: So I said for me, I said in this video,
Speaker 4: he admitted he doesn't have Voer and Combat awards for me.
Speaker 4: It's done. I've said in every single video that's all
Speaker 4: I care about. He admitted I was right that his
Speaker 4: whole Instagram post he acknowledges the things I put out
Speaker 4: in my video. He didn't say anything about. He wasn't
Speaker 4: talking about the anti here a podcast. He was talking
Speaker 4: about the dude that exposed him for lying about val
Speaker 4: forwards and priple arts. That was my stuff. I hate
Speaker 4: the way he did it because I promise you guys,
Speaker 4: I was still holding out hope for Tim had he
Speaker 4: come out and said the truth. I do not have
Speaker 4: these Valor awards. I am sorry. I should not have
Speaker 4: misled people right and just took full ownership. I had
Speaker 4: a video already recorded that was going to say, I
Speaker 4: forgive Tim Kennedy and you should too, And I was
Speaker 4: going to tell the American people, look, I don't what
Speaker 4: he did isn't okay, but we can empathize with it.
Speaker 4: He's this twenty three year old kid, green beret UFC fighter.
Speaker 4: He's getting paraded around front a sift company's by generals.
Speaker 4: He's going on Joe Rogan. He's making millions of dollars,
Speaker 4: Rifle Coffee Company five to eleven. The fame is intoxicating.
Speaker 4: He's on Fox News, everybody loves him. He gets introduced
Speaker 4: as having about our award. He lets it slide once, right,
Speaker 4: like we as men, we could understand as a twenty
Speaker 4: three year old man, how that could. Sure. I was
Speaker 4: prepared to give him that benefit of the doubt. And
Speaker 4: his admitting to not having those valor and combat awards
Speaker 4: was I never said I had them, And it was
Speaker 4: just like bro I did a whole episode of the
Speaker 4: twenty five times that you had. Everybody's seen it, so
Speaker 4: for me, it's over. But to get into where it
Speaker 4: goes forward, yeah, I don't think. I don't think. I
Speaker 4: think Brent's a dog with a bum. I think until
Speaker 4: Tim Kennedy comes on that podcast, on the Anti Hero
Speaker 4: podcast and admits to all these things, I don't think
Speaker 4: he lets it go. And that's his right, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. He uncovered this, He can take it
Speaker 4: as far as he wants to go. I never really
Speaker 4: cared about the war stories. But what I think is
Speaker 4: his reputation is forever destroyed in the sfsoft veteran community.
Speaker 4: His comment section no matter what he posts is destroyed.
Speaker 4: I do know that he's taking massive hits from sponsors
Speaker 4: and companies that have already cut him off. But I
Speaker 4: do think that again, like we talked about, he has
Speaker 4: enough of a blind civilian boomer Fox News base that
Speaker 4: he will be he will be fine to keep peddling
Speaker 4: bullshit teaching courses to that specific demographic. I don't unless
Speaker 4: the Department of Defense comes out. You see him, Jay's him,
Speaker 4: pulls his tab and bray in front of everyone. I
Speaker 4: think he's gonna keep on keeping on to and Tim
Speaker 4: Kennedy thinks that's the way I.
Speaker 5: Say, and that was the advantage if you were coming
Speaker 5: out of the GYT before twenty ten, right when everybody
Speaker 5: else was still.
Speaker 1: You were first market.
Speaker 5: Yeah you're first to market, and you've got that ground
Speaker 5: part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got that ground swell.
Speaker 5: And now it's it's sort of like I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: any heroes, A good sized podcast gets a lot of views.
Speaker 5: Your good sized podcast get a lot of views. But
Speaker 5: is that going to sway things when Fox has him on?
Speaker 1: Probably not?
Speaker 4: No, of course, not like my video I do with
Speaker 4: five hundred views on Tim Kennedy. Again, it's it. It
Speaker 4: also is just placating to the same people who already
Speaker 4: know right, right, So it's the same group of veterans,
Speaker 4: soldiers and also civilians who are you know, into this
Speaker 4: type of thing. They know already. Nothing I could put
Speaker 4: out about the dude is going to shock anybody at
Speaker 4: this point. And the people who blindly support him are
Speaker 4: going to or they've got no clue. And they didn't
Speaker 4: even seen my channel. They didn't even heard of the
Speaker 4: anti hero podcast, right, they see him on Fox News
Speaker 4: and whatever, you know at this point, Like I don't
Speaker 4: I hate to say that, like I want to see
Speaker 4: the dude lose everything because that's not true. Also, I
Speaker 4: just I just wanted like, and here's the crazy thing.
Speaker 4: I've told this before, Like I've got pictures of me
Speaker 4: and Tim Kennedy together on my Instagram. I actually liked.
Speaker 4: I was one of the very few and I'm sure
Speaker 4: you guys know the back channels. Tim Kennedy has been
Speaker 4: a joke in the SF regiment for a decade and
Speaker 4: a half from within, like if you talk to any
Speaker 4: green Berey, like in the company, what a douche, Right,
Speaker 4: I was one of the very very few guys that
Speaker 4: wanted to give this guy the benefit of doubt that
Speaker 4: you know, was like, ah, yeah, you know he kinda
Speaker 4: he's you know, over the top, but you know he's
Speaker 4: good at recruiting. Like I would always sort of defend
Speaker 4: him a little bit, right, And so I wasn't a
Speaker 4: Tim Ken hate Tim Kennedy hater to start, and there's
Speaker 4: a lot of them in the SF regiment. I could
Speaker 4: promise you that well before this whole thing happened, and
Speaker 4: I just wanted to see him have some integrity and apologize. Man,
Speaker 4: that that was it. I said that from the very
Speaker 4: first episode. Had he come out and just said I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: right the day after the anti Hero podcast came out,
Speaker 4: if he just came out and said, look, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I was young. I embellished in things. I definitely shouldn't
Speaker 4: have that book. I embellished it to make it more
Speaker 4: enjoyable for the reader, and I'm sorry I shouldn't have
Speaker 4: done that. Guys, boom Clay's closed. I never do a
Speaker 4: video anti hero podcast probably never doesn't fall up. Tim
Speaker 4: Kennedy is doing just fine, right, But it was the
Speaker 4: narcissistic where he put a middle finger up to everybody
Speaker 4: else and said, fuck you guys, you're you're the liars,
Speaker 4: not me. It's it was the Lance Armstrong. Like Lance
Speaker 4: Armstrong did that same thing right he got caught. What
Speaker 4: did he do well? He didn't go down quietly. He
Speaker 4: told everybody else their liars. He called everybody else cheaters.
Speaker 4: He attacked, you know, like other teammates, family members. The
Speaker 4: difference is Lance Armstrong finally came out and came clean. Right,
Speaker 4: And even then after all of that crazy shit with
Speaker 4: Lance Armstrong, people forgave him right, they forgave him and
Speaker 4: he was just fine. So my thing has always been like,
Speaker 4: who is this dude's PR team? Because they are the
Speaker 4: worst PR team I have ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 4: Because it was so easy to fix this from the start.
Speaker 5: And and the thing is so like you say, if
Speaker 5: you met a coule like you know, we we we
Speaker 5: see it with politicians, whether it was Waltz or what
Speaker 5: was Ronnie Uh, who's the who is the admiral who's
Speaker 5: busted down to captain but still calls himself Ronnie Jackson Republican?
Speaker 1: And I think out of floora whatever.
Speaker 5: Like he still calls himself like these people were Tim
Speaker 5: Kennedy or they're always going to have a fan base.
Speaker 5: Right So even if they were, even if they were
Speaker 5: say yeah, it was a mistake, I'm sorry, people aren't
Speaker 5: gonna leave.
Speaker 4: Them, right Yeah. And I think I'm fine with that
Speaker 4: with per Tim. If Tim wants to have his niche
Speaker 4: fan base, he's got a social media following with a
Speaker 4: million followers, and and that's it cool because he's not
Speaker 4: going on any more podcasts and pedaling his stories right like,
Speaker 4: he can't now, So we're taking that part of it
Speaker 4: away to where he's not going to be the face
Speaker 4: of soft He's not going to be the face of
Speaker 4: green Bereats anymore. And again, I don't look he's he's
Speaker 4: I don't think he's a terrible dude. I just think
Speaker 4: he he's so it's such an egomaniac. He couldn't apologize.
Speaker 4: I don't want him to like lose his livelihood. Sure, Like,
Speaker 4: good have your circle, go do it away frombody everybody else.
Speaker 4: Don't influence the next fucking generation, right, good on you.
Speaker 4: No problems with that. That That's kind of where I'm
Speaker 4: at with the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nate, what is next for Valhalla VFT?
Speaker 1: What's coming up in your future.
Speaker 4: Oh god, uh man, I take this one day at
Speaker 4: a time. Man, I've had no planning. I've had no
Speaker 4: like path forward the whole way, which people think is
Speaker 4: crazy of like, you know, for content, I just kind
Speaker 4: of like I put out the content I want. I
Speaker 4: think that's what people like about me, is like I'm not.
Speaker 4: I think that I'm just willing to talk about things
Speaker 4: that people won't talk about. And I think that's why
Speaker 4: people like my channel. I you know, and I've had
Speaker 4: a lot of my buddies that are like, don't change, man, like,
Speaker 4: don't take those big brand deals, and then decide like
Speaker 4: I can't, Like, you can't talk about sensitive topics anymore, right,
Speaker 4: you can't talk about person X or person Y because
Speaker 4: now you're in the fold, which I don't think I will.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't really give a shit, as you
Speaker 4: guys can tell, like, I'm not worried about what people think.
Speaker 4: I just do what I like. I surround myself with
Speaker 4: the people I like. I like you guys, I like
Speaker 4: the other guys I do content with. So for me,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna keep doing that type of content. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna try to get away from. Of course, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: I'm gonna cover current events if a green Break goes
Speaker 4: out and blows himself in a Tesla cyber truck in
Speaker 4: front of my right, like, that's gonna happen on my channel.
Speaker 4: But I've got a couple ideas going forward. What i
Speaker 4: want to do is start. I want to start giving
Speaker 4: like platforms to sort of young and up and coming
Speaker 4: soft or even regular infantry military guys that I like
Speaker 4: that maybe wouldn't have gotten the platform otherwise, much like
Speaker 4: you guys did with me when I was a brand
Speaker 4: new channel. I had a few people do that. And
Speaker 4: then I want to start. I know this is going
Speaker 4: to sound corny. I want to start the Real War
Speaker 4: Heroes podcast, where I have on guys I know personally
Speaker 4: that are legit, badass war fighters with real stories. Right,
Speaker 4: whether they are Fallujah Marines or whether they're Delta Force
Speaker 4: operators does not matter to me. To let the American
Speaker 4: people hear the stories. I know this is kind of petty, right,
Speaker 4: but to let the American people hear the stories, the
Speaker 4: real stories of the dudes who did this for real,
Speaker 4: instead of a lot of the stories that we've been
Speaker 4: hearing over the last ten to fifteen.
Speaker 2: I mean that's what we try to do on the
Speaker 2: Team House. I mean, yeah, most of these episodes were
Speaker 2: trying to find guys who are a good representation from
Speaker 2: their unit. You know, someone pitches someone to me and
Speaker 2: they have a bunch of war crimes charges hanging over
Speaker 2: their head. I'm sort of like, maybe not that guy
Speaker 2: right now, Like, maybe maybe find someone else from that unit,
Speaker 2: who will you know, represent you know what. We hope
Speaker 2: young people would aspire to be somewhere down the line,
Speaker 2: and I think we usually succeed in this mission.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes we might fall short, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well well I was just gonna say, like, I
Speaker 5: like your idea too, especially if it's not really an interval,
Speaker 5: because there's something fun about sitting around with bros telling
Speaker 5: dumb ass war stories that.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's that's the idea. I don't want
Speaker 4: it to be like a real podcast interview, more like
Speaker 4: like you guys like a team room, Like you sit
Speaker 4: here and shoot the ship with guys that I know
Speaker 4: are legit.
Speaker 1: Yeah think that's yeah, Yeah, I mean it's just I
Speaker 1: don't know. There's a lot of funny.
Speaker 5: Moments there, a lot of heroing moments, Like the most
Speaker 5: ridiculous moments that come up. But you know, even when
Speaker 5: you were carrying a backpack full of fifty grenades that
Speaker 5: have slightly straightened pins and no safeties.
Speaker 1: You know what gets me. What gets me is.
Speaker 5: You can tell war stories, and you can tell war
Speaker 5: stories that would pass muster with us where we'd like
Speaker 5: where if I wasn't there, I wouldn't know you were
Speaker 5: lying right right, But then you decided to tell us,
Speaker 5: Then you.
Speaker 4: Must not have seen what I did. And one of
Speaker 4: the first episodes I did about tim where where I
Speaker 4: explained how easy it is to lie about war stories.
Speaker 4: I told this big, elaborate war story about our time
Speaker 4: in Musiclay and Hellman and how we were working with
Speaker 4: a Marisak team and we started taking all this fire
Speaker 4: and we had an Australian peel and like our CCT
Speaker 4: got shot in the calf and all this shit right,
Speaker 4: And then at the end of the story, I just say,
Speaker 4: by the way, that was my best friend in eight
Speaker 4: Zulu's story, I was never there. He was making carsok
Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine. Why because I've heard him
Speaker 4: tell that story and it's an awesome story, And that's
Speaker 4: how easy it is for guys like us to tell
Speaker 4: a story that passes the sniff test, but it's bullshit,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But when you say I
Speaker 4: think I don't know, I think I'm gonna talked about
Speaker 4: in the last podcast in twenty eighteen, in rus Gone,
Speaker 4: we were in a grenade heavy area. My teammates got
Speaker 4: fucked up, got fucked up in a grenade battle. From
Speaker 4: over the top of compound woles. We started carrying way
Speaker 4: more grenades than most people ever would on a mission.
Speaker 4: And I tell people, way more grenades than everybody carries.
Speaker 4: Was like five frags, an incendiary and a thermobarrack, not
Speaker 4: a fucksack full of rifty grenades. Also, I tell people,
Speaker 4: I'm like, do you know what it's like to throw
Speaker 4: to like pull pins, prep grenades and throw them while
Speaker 4: you're being shot at. This is not like a process.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh shit, the pin. But I get this right,
Speaker 4: the fucking tape right, Like it's sort of throw Like
Speaker 4: in his book he throws twenty five grenades into a
Speaker 4: building as they were running up to it.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like that, Yeah, it's like an auto
Speaker 5: He's like an auto launcher. But the thing is like,
Speaker 5: can you imagine can you imagine at night under noods
Speaker 5: having fifty loose grenades with their with their pins all tangled,
Speaker 5: you know, the spoons like oh in a back in
Speaker 5: a backpack, you pull out one and the entire bag
Speaker 5: goes off in a truck, just rattling around in like this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, Yeah, that's that's the insanity.
Speaker 5: Did you guys used to you guys, like, I mean, everybody,
Speaker 5: did you, like you straighten the pins just a little
Speaker 5: bit to make them easier to pull, right.
Speaker 4: We would We would cut one of the pins at
Speaker 4: the base and then pull the other one off, so
Speaker 4: all you would have to do is basically unfold one
Speaker 4: pin and pull because yeah, two pins rolled down like that,
Speaker 4: the bullets start flying. You got gloves on, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Forget about it. You're not pulling it out with your teeth.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, no, no, So yeah, some guys, some
Speaker 4: guys would do the straighten yea, and but we yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the way we would do it. We cut one
Speaker 4: of the pins completely and then just fold the other,
Speaker 4: so all you got to do is just pull one
Speaker 4: up and then.
Speaker 1: Pull it out.
Speaker 5: So for people who don't know what we're talking about
Speaker 5: on a fried grenade on on you know, Thermo barracks
Speaker 5: and everything. But they have pins, which is so you
Speaker 5: have your spoon which leads into the fuse. Uh, and
Speaker 5: then the pin is what keeps that spoon in place,
Speaker 5: so you have to pull that pin out.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: The pins when they're when they come.
Speaker 5: From the keep talking. I'm just gonna pick something real quick.
Speaker 5: They come from the factory. The pins are like too pronged,
Speaker 5: like you know, or it's like a pronged pin like
Speaker 5: a ring, and then they're folded back up against the spoon,
Speaker 5: so it it's very tough. It's almost impossible really to
Speaker 5: just pull the pin without straightening the ends first, so
Speaker 5: you always kind of pre strate number do something to
Speaker 5: make them easier to pull under dress.
Speaker 1: But who do we have Friday?
Speaker 2: Coming up Friday, we have a career CIA officer, someone
Speaker 2: who actually Rick Prado introduced me to Nice.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have him back show.
Speaker 4: I'm back with the real camera, Nate.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, any final thoughts. I encourage everyone to
Speaker 2: go check out Valhalla vf T. I love this channel
Speaker 2: to go subscribe to to Nate's channel. Any final thoughts
Speaker 2: or anything else you want to talk about before we
Speaker 2: get going tonight.
Speaker 4: Uh, I did have something. There was something I was
Speaker 4: going to talk about that I wanted to talk about,
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to think about it, but I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Wait did we talk about it before? Did we talk
Speaker 1: about it before the show?
Speaker 4: I think it had to do I think you had
Speaker 4: to do with Livin's burger.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the cyber truck.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, the thing I did want to talk about
Speaker 4: Matt Livins burger. Okay, And I want to get your
Speaker 4: guys take on this because it is fucking pissing me
Speaker 4: off the more I see it. What I'm seeing because
Speaker 4: he was a Green Beret. When Tim Kennedy comes out
Speaker 4: on Fox News talking about it, Sean Ryan and sand
Speaker 4: Shoemaker and all these guys, everybody keeps talking about how
Speaker 4: what a great guy this is and that like the
Speaker 4: way he did this, he set this up so that
Speaker 4: nobody would get injured, and like and all these things
Speaker 4: about how he was a good person and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 4: I'm not giving this fucking dude a pass, you know why,
Speaker 4: because he put he basically built a shody asked v Bed,
Speaker 4: rolled it up in front of a fuck in front
Speaker 4: of a hotel, which could have had a three year
Speaker 4: old child and their mom walk out that door the
Speaker 4: second that the bed went off and killed like six
Speaker 4: seven people were still seriously injured in that blast. This
Speaker 4: dude is a domestic terrorist. I don't care that he's
Speaker 4: a Green Beret. I actually am more ashamed that he's
Speaker 4: a Green Beret and that he decided to take his
Speaker 4: own life by potentially killing American citizens. So I don't
Speaker 4: know what your guys' take is, but this is all
Speaker 4: I've heard about, Like what of now again? Mental health?
Speaker 4: I get it right, I don't want to knock on
Speaker 4: the family, but like, shouldn't be glorifying this dude is
Speaker 4: like some mastermind to an exposure plan where he's exposing
Speaker 4: you know, like CIA secrets and all this crazy shit.
Speaker 4: Like that's not what he was, man, He was a
Speaker 4: mentally ill dude that potentially almost killed six American citizens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I totally agree.
Speaker 2: I mean I might The one thing I might take
Speaker 2: exception to is like the actual legal definition of a
Speaker 2: domestic terrorist. He might not fit into that. But I
Speaker 2: understand what you're saying that he was terrorizing the American
Speaker 2: public in a sense by blowing up this truck in public, right,
Speaker 2: And you're right, I of course we don't want any
Speaker 2: veteran or soldier to take their own life. That's terrible,
Speaker 2: But hey man, if you're going to do it, you
Speaker 2: don't need to take down, you know, a bunch of
Speaker 2: civilians with you.
Speaker 4: Come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I would also push back on the domestic terrorism thing,
Speaker 5: just because I don't think that was really it wasn't.
Speaker 5: First off, I'm I'm just I'm way I feel bad
Speaker 5: that he about his mental illness and it wasn't even
Speaker 5: like depression, Like I don't think I believe that he
Speaker 5: was at a stage where he could not separate fact
Speaker 5: from fiction.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, no, I agree. I think I think
Speaker 4: domestic terrorists was the wrong choice of words. That's not
Speaker 4: what I was trying to say. What I was really
Speaker 4: trying to say, of like, he wasn't this like whistleblowing
Speaker 4: mastermind that was setting up a v bed just in
Speaker 4: the perfect way to not injure people to send a message.
Speaker 1: He was a mental he was a mentally ill person.
Speaker 5: He was, Yeah, he was just I just feel I
Speaker 5: just feel sad for him that, you know, like we
Speaker 5: talk about we talk about mental health, and we talk
Speaker 5: about you know, like realizing this not okay to pull
Speaker 5: people out of their vehicles. But but then when you
Speaker 5: talk start talking about the Marines, you know, out of
Speaker 5: Syria seeing demons and seeing ghosts of the people they
Speaker 5: killed and things like that, that that's not something These
Speaker 5: people are not questioning their sanity.
Speaker 1: These people are not it's real to them.
Speaker 5: They're not in a place where they're seeking mental help, right,
Speaker 5: mental health help.
Speaker 1: They they're living in a whole different world.
Speaker 5: So I would say that you know that he probably
Speaker 5: could have built a more efficient v bid with the
Speaker 5: intention to kill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my initial criticism was
Speaker 4: of like, this was an eighteen Zulu and this was
Speaker 4: the best. That was the very first video I did
Speaker 4: before Sean Ryan, before anybody just covering that, And that
Speaker 4: was my biggest question was like, how does a ten
Speaker 4: plus year Green Beret not know how to tamp explose
Speaker 4: his and do actually right And so I don't think
Speaker 4: I don't think he was necessarily trying to do as
Speaker 4: much damn as as possible, right, I'm just getting tired
Speaker 4: of the narrative that he's this like hero, it's exposing shit, right, sorry,
Speaker 4: I don't believe.
Speaker 5: That, because that carries on, that carries on the whole
Speaker 5: conspiracy and fails to acknowledge the very real mental health issue,
Speaker 5: which which I think, honestly, I think the Army is
Speaker 5: happy to let that happen because the Army does not
Speaker 5: want to talk about the mental health issues. They would rather,
Speaker 5: you know, they would rather talk about him being an
Speaker 5: extremist or him. I mean, I don't think the Army
Speaker 5: wants to I don't think the Army wants to talk
Speaker 5: about anything.
Speaker 2: I don't they don't want to talk about TBIs and
Speaker 2: what that means from our soldiers.
Speaker 5: I want to retrack that though, because I don't think
Speaker 5: the Army wants to talk about him being an extremist either,
Speaker 5: because I don't think the Army wants the publicity of
Speaker 5: an SF guy going out there and becoming extremes. I
Speaker 5: think the Army just wants it to go away because
Speaker 5: no matter how it was framed, dispatch for them, but they.
Speaker 4: Definitely and when both terrorist attacks back to back were
Speaker 4: from active duty Army soldiers, right, that's bad. That's that's
Speaker 4: not great optics. I mean, I already saw. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you guys saw the clip on MSNBC, I
Speaker 4: think was today where they literally ran a whole art,
Speaker 4: a whole episode. I forget his name, one of the
Speaker 4: old guys over there. I don't really obviously don't watch
Speaker 4: the show about how and he literally says it. I'll
Speaker 4: send you guys the clip after. It's so gross where
Speaker 4: he talks about veterans, veterans are the biggest threat to
Speaker 4: America and that veterans are responsible for more terrorism in
Speaker 4: this country than anyone else. MSNBC just aired that.
Speaker 5: This has been going on for a while though, because
Speaker 5: the FBI, what was it twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen when
Speaker 5: the FBI said, you know that veterans are more likely
Speaker 5: to because you know, homegrown terrorists like like vetters have
Speaker 5: enough issues.
Speaker 2: But there was also some internal stuff going on where
Speaker 2: they wanted to look at extremism in the res and
Speaker 2: it got shut down because of political sensitivity.
Speaker 4: Is about this, It's well General General Milly was talking
Speaker 4: about that, yes, with the white rage and figuring out
Speaker 4: where this all this, you know, potential nationalism is coming
Speaker 4: from that long ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so so you know, I'm glad you brought up
Speaker 5: because we didn't mention that I'm gad, I'm glad you
Speaker 5: brought up the Nola guy because this is the thing
Speaker 5: to me that is it's very bothering about Matt's story
Speaker 5: is that it's a bigger story than the actual terrorist.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah in Nola, like that guy wiped out of
Speaker 4: the news cycle immediately.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a guy suffering from mental health issues who did something,
Speaker 5: who killed himself, you know, and and didn't hurt anybody else,
Speaker 5: could have but didn't.
Speaker 1: A guy. And that was the thing is.
Speaker 5: You know, when you talk about his letter and his manifesto,
Speaker 5: the thing that immediately made me think of Frodi was
Speaker 5: when he said that the FBI was following him, because
Speaker 5: once people start getting their paranoid delusions, yeah there, that's
Speaker 5: when they're sort of they're off the rails, you know,
Speaker 5: and and you know that's really really where you see
Speaker 5: that that mental thing. But so what bothers me is
Speaker 5: that one we're ignoring his mental health issues, and two
Speaker 5: we're making him a bigger story than a guy, a
Speaker 5: radicalized guy by isis who actually killed people, a lot
Speaker 5: of people, and that's gone, that's out.
Speaker 1: Of the story.
Speaker 5: But we're all still talking about this mentally unwell as
Speaker 5: Seff guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it brings into question of the way
Speaker 4: news is sort of manipulated and pushed forward of I
Speaker 4: don't think that's by accident. I don't think the fact
Speaker 4: that the right the radicalized ISIS dude that killed fifteen
Speaker 4: people or more, that story disappeared immediately in favor of
Speaker 4: the active duty green beret who then, you know, potentially
Speaker 4: does a terrorist attack. I don't think that's I don't
Speaker 4: think that's just coincidence that all of media immediately diverted
Speaker 4: and got that off of why because what they don't
Speaker 4: want is they don't and MSNBC literally talked about this
Speaker 4: in that art in that clip that it's not the
Speaker 4: southern border. It is not the southern border that is
Speaker 4: causing anything any of this. Okay, it's domestic veterans, it's
Speaker 4: all home grown, that's not And I think they want
Speaker 4: to get the conversation off any potential of like, yes,
Speaker 4: this was an active duty soldier that was radicalized by ISIS,
Speaker 4: but how was he radicalized by ISIS? By ISIS potentially
Speaker 4: getting into our country somehow. So I think they want
Speaker 4: to get the conversation away from that as fast as
Speaker 4: possible and put it on like hey, white nationalists whatever,
Speaker 4: whatever the maga or because they're saying that too, right, likega,
Speaker 4: mega this, whatever the buzzword is for the day. I
Speaker 4: think that's what they want the optics to be on
Speaker 4: stuff like that instead. And I don't think it's by mistake.
Speaker 5: The hypocrisy is just it's so frustrating because you know
Speaker 5: that they want to come out when it's when it's
Speaker 5: an Islamic extremists to say not all Muslims. And we've
Speaker 5: all worked with Muslims. We know it's not all Muslims.
Speaker 5: We know there are a lot of like stand up,
Speaker 5: you know, incredible, like courageous, and you know Muslims who
Speaker 5: love America, you know whatever.
Speaker 4: Green Beret. I mean, like vast majority of dudes I
Speaker 4: fought in combat where we're Muslims, not Americans. That's who
Speaker 4: I fought with in combat for my career.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, absolutely so I don't you know, I
Speaker 5: don't take offense to when when it's an Islamic extremist.
Speaker 5: I don't take offense to them going hey it's not
Speaker 5: all Muslims, but they have no problem saying veterans are
Speaker 5: an issue. Yep, where's the not all veterans statement, MSNB said.
Speaker 4: MSNBC verbatim said that the veterans are the biggest threat
Speaker 4: to America today. Those they said, that's crazy, like mainstream
Speaker 4: their main guy, the old the older guy with the
Speaker 4: gray hair. I forget to say anybody said that. He
Speaker 4: literally said that in the clip today It's like, okay, man,
Speaker 4: like we're way off the reservation. Jesus. Yeah, that's that
Speaker 4: was the That was the last the only thing that
Speaker 4: I have that I wanted to bring up.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, so go check out Valhalla, v F
Speaker 2: t U and Nate. You know, you're welcome on the
Speaker 2: show anytime.
Speaker 1: Let us know and we will drive you.
Speaker 2: And yeah, next time, you know, as there are some
Speaker 2: sequels in the Veteran Cinematic Universe, we'll have you back
Speaker 2: to unpack those, uh those, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I say, I'm getting out of it. But we're
Speaker 4: on January seventh. My content since January first. Think about
Speaker 4: I think like January first was the initial terrorist attack
Speaker 4: and what we've covered in six days, Joy five, Nate,
Speaker 4: we're early phase one in this cinematic universe. This, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think we are. We're like we're in Iron man
Speaker 4: two right now, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: We're still getting a feel for it sometimes.
Speaker 4: Are you guys, Are you guys going to Shot show?
Speaker 4: By chance?
Speaker 1: I did Shot like maybe seven years in a row. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the same thing every year. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's cool to see some old old Army buddies,
Speaker 2: but oh man, that stars to wear on you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But thank you, thank you Nate, and we will see
Speaker 2: you guys on Friday. Retired CIA officer on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you everyone for joining us, and we'll see you
Speaker 2: guys next time.