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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I've promised the return of Jay Dyer of

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Esoteric Hollywood. Jay has done loads of us over the years,

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going back to the Jeffrey case. If you want to

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get deep into the secret society's the symbolism and these

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huge names, the rituals. Please get your questions in now, folks.

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All of Jay's links are in the description box below

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this video, so please support his work. And before we

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get going, Jay, is there anything you would like to

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add about the research that you do and all the

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work you've done over the years.

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Speaker 2: No, that sounds great. You can find me in my

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website jaysonalsis dot com and at least as of now,

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still hosting the fourth hour of the Augst shown show

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every Friday, so you can find me there as well. Yeah,

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so I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Right, So I'll put Jays links in the chat as well,

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So go down there if you're watch it on YouTube,

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and we have got he's on x He's on YouTube,

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Instagram and the website. So there's four separate links down there,

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all right. So, Jay, since we last spoke, much has happened.

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It's just like this, there's just stories breaking every single

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day on Diddy and then in the last week we

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saw jay Z enter the mix. So let me just

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get your preliminary thoughts on what the hell's going on here.

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We had a professor command the other night, Professor Hammimoto,

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and he said, there's like a hostile takeover of rap

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going down by the powerful banking families, and these guys

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are just pawns on that chessboard. But what do you

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say to.

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Speaker 2: All of that. I've always felt like rap was already controlled,

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so I don't know why there would need to be

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a hostile takeover. I feel like, you know, from the

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earliest days, what we've seen so far is that a

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lot of what we were told was fake and gray

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we'll say all along. I mean, I kind of felt

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like when it was coming out, you know in the

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two thousands that Doctor Dre his origins weren't as you know,

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hardcore and thug as we thought. He was in a

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very mediocre kind of pop band. When it when it

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came out that NWA, except for maybe EASYE, was kind

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of a creation of the corporations. It wasn't really you know,

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gang oriented. So I think gangster rap. You know, it

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has come out that there were those those discussions and

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MTV back in the day with Sun of Redstone and

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others that they would create and kind of promote. This

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genre for the West has really been controlled from the

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get go. I'm not saying there weren't rappers or whoever

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that weren't legit or real, but I think the genre

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as a whole has been controlled, much like the rest

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of the music industry hasn't been controlled by kind of

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a lot of organized crime figures. As you know, there

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are gangs, just like in prison. There's gangs for different

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people groups in the real world too. So there's Jewish gangsters,

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there's Black gangs. There's black secret societies, the Boulet Society,

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et cetera. There's societies for white people too, secret societies,

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Irish gangs. I mean, so there's gangs everywhere. There's organized crime.

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Organized crime has always been involved in the music industry,

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I just never. I don't think it's ever not been

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the case that it was controlled or taken over. Not

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saying there aren't good artists, but for me, man, this

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is just like vindication of everything that we in this

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domain have been talking about for so many years. And

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the reason so much is coming out. I think there's

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a lot of reasons why. Part of that has to

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do with Trump administration. I have criticisms of Trump. I'm

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not saying that he's perfect, but there is at least

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the appearance or the discussion of people in government being prosecuted,

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people in music industry being prosecuted. So I think there

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really are people coming forward. There really are people getting busted.

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It may be at the mid tier level and not

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the highest levels. Usually the highest level people don't get busted.

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But you know, I was just watching some clips about

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Michael Jackson and there's a lot of stuff going on

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in that background story too. I know that there's allegations

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of him being connected to Diddy back in the day,

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but some of the stuff that Michael Jackson was saying

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about the moguls might have had a hand in his

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downfall as well.

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Speaker 1: Could you remember any of that stuff to say to

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the viewers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think of safe ways to say

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it on YouTube. I mean, he had he had that

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famous incident where he was singing about a certain people

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group and they asked him to change the lyrics and

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he said he was going to, and then when he

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performed the song, he didn't do it, and he still

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kind of made his anti well shall we say, Zionist

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comments and that didn't go over well. And so that

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was a huge scandal for Michael Jackson. Back in the

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damn Ember when that when that was all over the news,

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I went back and watched a bunch of those news clips,

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and I'm just sort of like reframing and thinking, like,

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you know, I don't think Jacko was like a saint.

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I mean, he was kind of a weirdo, but you know,

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he might have also been onto some things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when these guys start to get too

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big for the boots and demand rights back and yeah, exactly,

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we saw that. We saw that with did and Diagio,

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whereby they paid him a billion already and he's resuming

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them for racism. We think, yeah, he was, he was winning.

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I think he won that, and then he was contributing

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to reputational damage to that company. But talking about deals,

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we analyzed the Diddy deals and they equalled X. We

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analyzed the jay Z deals and they equalled why, which

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was a multiple of X network two point five billion

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NFL have come out and back to jay Z. Oh,

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and it seems that jay Z's in a much bigger club. Yeah,

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then did he was in and that the club appears

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to me, I've rallied around jay Z. They're trying to

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destroy Busby the lawyer. They're trying to destroy Jane though,

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who's made this allegation. How do you think that will

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play out? Will the club be able to protect jay Z?

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Is this process that's under way gonna continue, maybe even

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more allegations will come out.

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Speaker 2: It's a good question because we know, like we're saying,

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there are people that are above the level of the

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stars that are usually untouchable. So you kind of have

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these handler figures in the background. You go all the

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way back to Elvis, and you know, Colonel Tom was

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his handler in the background, kind of you know, stealing

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from him, ribbing him off, all this kind of stuff.

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The artists are always subservient to these handler figures, usually

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some kind of music mogul, you know, Like I said,

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Jacko was always taught calling out Tommy Tola and other characters. Prince,

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you know, remember Prince had the same situation where Prince

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changed his name so that he could have control of

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some of the catalog and then it wouldn't be controlled

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by the record companies. So you know, a lot of

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these figures are always in the background, kind of unknown.

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jay Z, though, I think you're right, there's something unique

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about his situation where he seems to have graduated above

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the artist arena into kind of the higher sphere, and

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he may be untouchable. I don't know. I know that

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one one sign we always see when it's a lot

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of these characters is that the ones that reach that higher,

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higher level, they usually signify their status by a lot

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of the symbolism that they use. And of course jay

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Z was one of the first artists. If you go

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back in the early two thousands, around the time of

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a lot of this controversy, he was signifying his allegiance

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to Alice for Crowley, you know, the famous Satanist of

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the last century. You know, he first wore of any

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artists I'm aware of in this but at least in

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the rahapsphere, was openly wearing a lot of Krollian gear,

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Crollian swag. You know when he was doing this symbol

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that comes out of the Rituals of the Golden Dawn.

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jay Z was always doing this for HOVA and Rockefeller

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but actually comes out of the Rituals of the Golden

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Dawn and the Croley Circle. So I think what I'm

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getting at is that if there's a symbolism sign that

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we could see about the untouchables, usually it involves being

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part of some kind of secret society network like we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking at some of these pictures now

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and the symbolism the But talking about symbolism then Beyonce,

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what are your thoughts on on Beyonce and her you know,

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relationship with jay Z, partners in crime, et cetera. What

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do you think, you know.

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Speaker 2: With a lot of these pop girls that come out

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of the it's like they have this early period where

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they're very innocent. We saw that with Britney Spears. We

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saw that with Katie Perry. Katy Perry used to be

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a quote Christian musical artist, so he had this radical transformation.

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had a TV show where she had like a double

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life in you know, Hannah Montana, So that might be

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telling us something. But a lot of the Disney stars

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came out of that genre of having a very innocent

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upbringing and then they suddenly turn into like total whorors

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basically in the public sphere. I think there's a reason

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for that. I think that the handlers, the people in

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the background kind of in a way pimp out their stars.

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same thing is there with Beyonce. What we see with

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Beyonce is, you know, she has upbringing as a really

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very quiet church girl. She wasn't that you know, interested

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in seeking the limelight. She liked to dance, we're told

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in her background. But at some point along the way,

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when she got involved with Destiny's Child and then met

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jay Z and these people, there seems to have been

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a radical change in what happened to her. She became

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became a different person. In fact, she describes herself and

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again I don't know how much of this as artistic

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license or just you know, musicians and artists trying to

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reinvent themselves. But she had that period if you remember

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where she wasn't Beyonce anymore. She was Sasha Fears what

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she claimed was an alternate personality that had taken over her. Again,

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I don't know how real or just made up that

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is for marketing, but it could be the case that,

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you know, maybe there's a kind of a pimp handler

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relationship going on here. When she meets these people, her

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life drastically changes. But I think that it's you know,

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the allegory that we hear about the selling your soul

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to the devil, I think it really relates more so

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to like these situations where if you want to get

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into these higher ranks, if you want to be in

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one hundred million billion dollar category, a lot of times

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you've got to be willing to make your bones, so

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to speak. And that could be literal as well. A

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lot of people in these circles, as you know, we're

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dealing with billions of dollars here, we're dealing with lots

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and lots of money, fame, attention, a lot of deals.

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and I don't think that that's accidental. It's not just

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organized crime. I think there's also elements of blackmail, So

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people need to be blackmailed before they can go up

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into the higher ranks, to make sure that you're not

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going to write on anybody, because if you do, you

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Speaker 1: See he's talking about people getting compromised. Then would you

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include Justin Bieber in that category have been put through

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some kind of ritual.

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Speaker 2: It's looking like that's the case. I mean, I don't

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I haven't followed Bieber closely. I've watched all the stuff

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relating to the old clips of Diddy with Bieber with

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that are very very suspicious. And you've got Curly on

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the screen there. I mean, one of the things that

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Curly talked about was how can I put this dominating

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people from the backside? So shall we say to make

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sure that they are subservient to the cult. We know

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that A lot of times people in that sphere talk

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but they almost speak of it like it's not so

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much about the sexuality of it, but it's the humiliation

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shows the subservience. Basically that you know you're in my

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do X y Z in a sexual way, you're going

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to do it because we own you, you know. And

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the day when he was on that TV show I

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about you know, his interns and you know, can you

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be an intern for Ditty or whatever? And one of

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the interns said, Hey, you know, I've been out trying

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to find some of the hottest talent out there. Blah

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blah blah blah. Did he said, stop? I don't want

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you finding talent. I want you finding people that are

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not talented that we can make into stars, because if

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they're not talented, we can control them all the more

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because they owe everything to us. People that are talented,

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they don't need us. They can go still be stars.

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controlling them, especially in some kind of humiliating sexual way.

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I would not be surprised if they didn't do that

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or try that with Bieber. I don't know, obviously, but

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and all these clips is really weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really creepy. So you've got tons of questions

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coming in jay and this one is from Labou. If

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the likes of did they and jay Z go down,

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who are the others that will take the place.

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Speaker 2: It's a good question. I mean, the moguls will still

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be there. I think you could argue jay Z he's

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kind of a mogul, you know. I mean, he's like,

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like you're saying, Sean, he's passed into that mogul category.

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But what I think we'd like to see is more

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of the mogul power structure go down. I mean, I

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think you start looking at who was super close to

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jay Z and Diddy throughout this last twenty plus years.

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I mean a huge portion of the Cuba Gooding junior

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people in Hollywood are very close to these people. A

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lot of other executives. So again, that doesn't necessarily mean

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they're all bad or guilty. But you know, think about Oprah,

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you know she I think you could argue she covered

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up her close associations with the John of God cult,

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which was demonstrated to be a human trafficking, a cult,

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you know, mind control, operation baby Farming. All that was

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going on with John God that just disappeared. She scrubbed

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all that as best she could, and I wouldn't be

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but it's hard to say. I mean, I don't know

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if it really will. Do they ever? It seems like

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a lot of times, and you can probably speak to

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this better than me, like a lot of times people

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that are running it kind of get off or they

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skate free and they go after the mid to load

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tier people. Those are the ones that take the.

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Speaker 1: Rap question from Adam, how sketchy is Tommy Mottola, Well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you believe all the stuff that you know,

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Jacko says they were really sketchy, just trying to rip

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him off. And the thing about Jacko that's really weird

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is that it actually gets into the occult stuff explicitly.

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Because Michael Jackson and maybe he was on drugs, maybe

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he was out of it when he said this, But

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do you guys remember when he was saying that Spielberg

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and others were putting spells on him and that they

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were doing voodoo, and that Jacko claimed he was going

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to do a counter spell against their spells, and people

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don't remember that. Do you remember that up? Yeah? Have

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you heard of that? Yeah? So, I mean, whether that's

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true or not, but it's like, that's what's going on

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in the mindset of the pop stars. And it came

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out about ten years ago. One of Michael Jackson's kids

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actually drew a bunch of occult symbols and posted it

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on Twitter and said, you know, here's what's really going on.

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It was kind of mysterious, but it was like, you know,

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the it was like a Golden Dawn hexagram. It's ritual

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magic type stuff. So there's definitely something like that going

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on at that sphere. And again, I just think that

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they're using these cults to control people. So I wouldn't

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be surprised if Tommy, Omtol and all these people weren't

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involved in oto occult secret society stuff.

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Speaker 1: So Melissa's wondering about your thoughts on Bohemian Grove.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've I've been aware of that for

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all that since the days of Alex Jones, you know,

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going in there in two thousand and one, whenever that was.

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I read a few books on it. I think that's

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the you know, fake right wing version of the establishment's

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traditional meeting place every year. It's kind of a kind

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of a right wing Builder Bird Group, same type of thing.

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A lot of the same people will go to both.

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It does have a loose occult fixation. If you go

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back to the origins of the Builderberg or the Behaemian Club,

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they were into druid philosophy. They would do Druidic rights

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out in the forest, and then it kind of evolved

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into this big, you know, CEO GOP thing. You've got

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Reagan going there, You've got Nixon going there. They came

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up with a Star Wars defense program at Bohemian Grove

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when Reagan was there back in the eighties or late seventies,

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early eighties. So I think it matters. It's important. You

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could look at Helmut Schmidt, who was the former Chancellor

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of Germany. I bought his book because I remember Alex

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talking about this and I didn't believe it. But if

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you buy a helmet Schmidt's book called Men in Powers,

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there's a section where he says, yes, I went to

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Bohemian Grove and yes we do the rituals there, and

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yes it's all about you know, controlling the world. And

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so that's just one of the many elite you know

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sUAS Rais where they rumored to have you know, shall

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we say, skittles, rainbow stuff going on for the GOP.

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Speaker 1: Next question, it's Spielberg part of this whole thing. That's

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from Lisa Thompson.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at Whitney Webb's material, you know,

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she says that you've got this Mega Group, which is

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really powerful group of you know, Jewish and Israeli billionaires

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who are very interested in not just entertainment but also

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influencing the political sphere. She makes a lot of connections

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between the Mega Group and you know, some of the

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jeff Stein McCaffrey stuff, shall we say. So I wouldn't

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be surprised if he I don't think he's like a controller,

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but I think he's definitely interested in some degree of

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influencing American pop culture. Obviously set a huge role in promoting,

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for example, the alien UFO mythology, which I don't I

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think it's a big syop. So think Spielberg played a

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key role in promoting a lot of that ideology. So

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I would say, if the Mega group information is true,

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that's probably the case.

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Speaker 1: So Sasy is asking what documentaries would you recommend to

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learn about this topic?

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Speaker 2: Who That's a good question. Off the top of my head,

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I'm not sure of a good documentary just about Hollywood. Actually,

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I did a TV show. The best on this topic

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is my TV show that you can still watch at

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Guya TV. We did a full production, full season of

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a TV show called Hollywood Decoded and it's meet Together

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with a guy named Jay Wiedner. It's still available. You

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can find it online at Gaya dot com. It is

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buying a paywall, but you can watch some of the

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episodes free. We basically just walked through about twenty three

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of the of the top films of the last century

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that really show the hidden aspects of Holly with symbolism,

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the cult, so stuff we're talking about today, like we

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do a deep dive on Kubrick Eyes, White Shut, all

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these kind of classic films that show you what's really

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going on. So I would say, watch watch my TV show.

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Speaker 1: After an interview last time Jay I had to go

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and rewatch, Eyes wide shut. Yeah, it's scary wild, huh.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think that, like that's what these music

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moguls are.

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Speaker 1: Like.

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Speaker 2: I think Diddy was like a mini version of that

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kind of stuff, you know, because Kubrick's talking about I

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think higher level, higher powered people above Diddy. But it's

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the same idea. It's like that they kind of do

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this same pattern of Oh, come to the big party.

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Oh there's an orgy. If you want to come to

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the after party, then there's this that, and the next

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thing you know, you've been videotaped and your you know you're.

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Speaker 1: Screwed, yeah literally, and yeah, and you know you've done

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tons on Kubrick and Eyes white shut. The theory that

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he was telling us and then he died because of that,

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Is there anything to that?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I didn't really pay much attention to that.

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Vivian Kubrick messages me all the time. That's his daughter.

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We've had some good conversations. I keep trying to get

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her to do an interview, and she's really hesitant to

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do interviews, so she doesn't really want to speak on it.

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But I'm trying my best to get her to talk

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about it. But I thought I just kind of was

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agnostic on that for a long time because I didn't know.

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But then it was interesting that I think Richard Avery,

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I still have yet to listen to this recent Rogan podcast.

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Have you heard about this Rogan Tarantino podcast the other day?

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So actually they brought this up, right, So they're actually

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talking about this topic, and the Avery was saying that

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he thinks there's something to it. I think, so I

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may have to reassess my agnosticism and maybe there is

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something to it.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Nicky's wondering whether you've seen the more

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contemporary film Blink Twice.

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Speaker 2: Yes. I thought it was a little on the woke side,

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But if you set aside the woke stuff, that's another

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one of these films. It's pretty revelatory where you have

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basically really really wealthy billionaire people finding young girls inviting

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them out to their island. I thought it was really

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odd that this was an island and it's almost like,

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you know, again Jeff Justine mcguffrey, code word there type stuff.

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He gets them out there, he drugs them. They're using

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mind control techniques. They're basically it's like an extreme form

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of roofie. I don't even I forget what it's some

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kind of illusion in that makes you forget, you know.

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And then even what was interesting about the film of

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Spoiler Alert was even at the end, like the main guy,

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the Channing Tatum or whoever it was, he himself seems

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to have been kind of abused in mind control because

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he has he sort of had these different personas going on,

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and it almost been raised to be this way. So

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I think there is this generational component to where, you know,

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think about just laying you know, she's taught all this

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stuff by Robert her dad, who was a Cold War

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era compromiser and intelligence operative, et cetera. So I think

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this is generationally passed down. Then that film.

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Speaker 1: Showed, so yeah, I'll just add a bit of that.

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So I'm glad that that film came out, and I

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think perhaps it had to be woke to get past

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the gatekeepers.

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Speaker 2: Good point.

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Speaker 1: Well, in reality, that film would have ended with those

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young ladies getting chopped up in feds of the fish.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's my that's my perspective, your point.

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Speaker 1: All right? So yeah, so Peacock is a hierarchy of

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black magic in Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: To a degree. Yeah, I mean if you go back

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to the earliest days of Hollywood. Uh, like when you

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had the first big well this was this more more

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German film. But like Fritz Lang was putting heavy satanic

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stuff in his films. This is public, this was like academia.

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This isn't a conspiracy theory. First, Lang was putting all

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kinds of satanic symbolism in his films. Actually, writing my

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third book, I circlely with three on this topic right now.

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So there's been a long time association of Hollywood with

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the satanic and the occult. If you go back to

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the Elizabeth Elizabeth's Smart case where she was ritually dismembered

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and murdered in the Black Dolia case, that's another direct

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tie into a lot of high level Hollywood figures. In fact,

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for a while, Orson Wells was a suspect in the

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Black Dolia case because George Hodell was so close to

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people like John Houston. Houston has oftentimes been associated with

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this case. So even Edward G. Robinson, the famous actor,

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was associated with those circles too. So I think this

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has always appealed to people in film artists, creative types.

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They're sort of drawn to these fringe, aberrant religious movements

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a lot of times because they think they'll they'll get

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maybe inspiration, they'll get networking ca abilities through these secret societies.

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And I think what's really going on most of the

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time is that a lot of these cults are run

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by really cunning, deceptive people who are controlling people. They're

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not really I mean, there is a sense in which

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you can go up the ladder and get power through

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the cults, but you're also becoming their bitch, like we

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said earlier. So yeah, I think there is this hierarchy

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of secret societies and cults, but it's a super tight

473
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control system more so than it is like real magic.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we've got well over three thousand watching live.

475
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I'm putting Jay's YouTube channel link and the live chat

476
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so people please support his important work. All of these

477
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other links are in the description box. Thank you for

478
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all the questions coming in. There's tons of them. I'll

479
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try and get through as many as possible. Felicia, what

480
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does Jay think of the movies? Oe Kravitz Lenny's thoughts

481
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are produced? Know which one that is? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Didn't she produce Blink twice?

483
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Speaker 1: Is that? Was that?

484
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Speaker 2: What I'm thinking of.

485
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Speaker 1: Was that I already covered that, then all right, let's

486
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go over the hell's all these movies that show the

487
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symbolism all deep state aw some from the light side,

488
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,599
trying to show us what's really going on, we would hope,

489
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so that'll be good.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's either O or I think there's

491
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a you know, you're dealing with hundreds of people, thousands

492
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of people sometimes that go into the making of a movie.

493
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So I think that usually what you find with the

494
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high level propaganda or the you know, mind control is

495
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like the big blockbusters usually have the most propaganda. They're

496
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they're the ones that are usually trying to deflect and

497
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you know, make some other country the bad guy if

498
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it's a Bond movie or something like that, or or

499
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they'll you know, try to get the message out, but

500
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then it gets skewed and it's the it's reversed as

501
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to who's really behind it. So there's a mix of

502
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things going on. A lot of independent films might be

503
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better nowadays for actually telling us what's going on rather

504
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than the blockbuster studio films. But again, the studio system

505
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is dying, so that's going away. That's a legacy. It's

506
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all transitioning over into like streaming services and Apple studios

507
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and Amazon studios. So I don't think it's getting any

508
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better per se. But I think actually people are getting

509
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tired of just all the Hollywood degeneracy in the nonsense,

510
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and maybe this will open it up to where a

511
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lot more independent filmmakers can be successful. That seems to

512
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be already happening so now. But I don't think they're

513
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all bad now.

514
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Speaker 1: Question from GMC Films ask Jay about the Processed Church

515
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of the Final Judgment and the worrying of the Black Capes.

516
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Speaker 2: The process Church is interesting because they were started in

517
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the UK. If I recall, their origins relate to people

518
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,599
closely associated with British intelligence in the UK. They pop

519
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,160
up through the figure of at least in the America.

520
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The most relevant in the case is Robert de Grimston,

521
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who was a former Roman Catholic priest who became a

522
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member of the Processed Church. And this is the link

523
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to So Manson gets involved in the Processed Church through

524
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this finds there the weird philosophy theology to be very influential.

525
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It's a very gnostic dualist philosophy. This inspires Helter Skelter

526
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where he comes with this idea like a future apocalyptic

527
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race war. Nowadays, I think they've kind they still exist,

528
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but they've rebranded as some kind of animal rights thing,

529
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which is really weird. But if you go back to

530
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the Processed Church magazine, what's the most fascinating about that

531
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is that when that was out in the seventies and eighties,

532
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they were publishing articles by Jimmy Savile. There's an article

533
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in there by Mick Jagger, So I think Manson even

534
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,000
contributed at one point or was on the cover of

535
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:48,920
process Shirt. So you start to notice like a lot

536
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,200
of the figures that you might expect that are all

537
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,960
kind of connected, are all working through this front organization

538
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which is really a mind control operation. And I think

539
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that suggests, as Tom O'Neill and others have point it

540
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out in their books, that you know, Manson's not just

541
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a random organic guy. He seems to have had some

542
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,000
very clear mk ultrip type.

543
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Speaker 1: Associations abundantly empowered. Is asking what are your thoughts Jay

544
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on the CIA connection to Hollywood? Has Hollywood always been

545
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a sy.

546
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Speaker 2: Up, well even before the existence of the CIA and

547
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before the OSS, and actually wrote some chapters on this

548
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in my previous books. You know, there's always been a

549
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:32,640
close connection between military intelligence and filmmaking. The earliest films

550
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that were big blockbusters, like The End of the Days

551
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of Howard Hughes, things like Hell's Angels, those were military

552
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:47,079
intelligence propaganda war films. People don't know that Alfred Hitchcock

553
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:52,079
worked closely with both the Office of Wartime Intelligence and

554
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,440
British Intelligence to produce propaganda films for British intelligence. So

555
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:00,880
even the biggest directors, you can go back to Darryl Zanak,

556
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,960
he worked together with the OSS to make certain films

557
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that would promote Western intelligence objectives. So absolutely, and then

558
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it only as those entities rebrand, you go from the

559
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OSS to the CIA, it only gets closer and closer

560
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of an intimate connection. I mean under the period of

561
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,480
Ronald Reagan, Reagan was actually just allocating government money to

562
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Hollywood to churn out just NonStop kind of propaganda films

563
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for all branches of the military. Top Gun classic example

564
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of that. So absolutely, it's always been flip sides of

565
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the same coin. And by the way, this is why

566
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so many of the top A list actors and actresses

567
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have in countless case has been famous spies. They're recruited

568
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to be intelligence operatives. Whether it's Julia Child or whether

569
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,039
it's Jimmy Stewart, you know, he worked for the FBI,

570
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:51,359
Julia Child worked for the OSS. Even Audrey Hepburn like

571
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she did counter intelligence stuff for the you know, anti

572
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Nazi networks for the UN, the United Nations stuff. I mean,

573
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so she would she did peacekeeping, anti Nazi stuff. Maybe

574
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it wasn't the UN, but it was it was some

575
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kind of NGO that she was working for. I mean,

576
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most of these actors, Marilyn Monroe had a Department of

577
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Defense badge and she had access to all these like

578
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government places. I mean, so it's like it's it's it

579
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,160
never ceases to amaze me, like how many of these

580
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,599
actors and actresses have worked for intelligence. And by the way,

581
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I think you can look at people like Ben Affleck

582
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and people like that who almost kind of admit that

583
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they do. You know, he's like, oh, yeah, of course,

584
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,240
you know, we consult with the CIA to make movies

585
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,640
like Argo. I mean, I think some of those people

586
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,319
were actually just literally worked for the CIA.

587
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Speaker 1: And you're getting asked about MK Ultra, the Manson family,

588
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,319
Sharon Tate, what are your thoughts though.

589
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I believe that thesis loosely for a long time.

590
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,359
I read some books maybe ten fifteen years ago that

591
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,359
speculated about the relationship between Manson and mk Ultra. That

592
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,519
seems to be indicated through the more recent work of

593
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:06,559
Tom O'Neill and Chaos, the Chaos Book. I think that

594
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that's true. It seems like when Manson was in prison,

595
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he also you know, went through all the levels of

596
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:14,960
scientology to achieve THETA clear. To me, that just screams

597
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,279
like brainwashing, mind control. I think that's what scientology is,

598
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:21,640
kind of a brainwashing things. So exactly how it all

599
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,480
worked out, I don't know, But there's definitely a lot

600
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of people around in the orbit of Manson who have

601
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:31,960
these organized crime and intelligence connections, Jay Sea Bring, Bobby Bozole,

602
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,400
you know, Processed Church, British intelligence. Yeah. I think Manson

603
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was probably a kind of incault subject, if not totally

604
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of my controlled pawn. But exactly how it all went down,

605
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,480
I don't know. I don't know if he was literally

606
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,839
handled to tell people to go murder people or how

607
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:55,839
it went down, but I do think that it's fishy

608
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:56,279
for sure.

609
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Speaker 1: Madame Papillon does Jeben thoughts on the film Rosemary's Baby

610
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and its supposed links to Sharon Tate.

611
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the same book that I'm talking about,

612
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Like there were there were people writing about this ten

613
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fifteen years ago talking about the alleged association between Anton

614
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:15,920
Levy and the film, which I think has been debunked.

615
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I think Anton Levy wasn't involved in the production of

616
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the film. But this would more so relate to the

617
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circles of Roman Polanski, because Roman Polanski was obviously he

618
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,440
was married to Sharon Tate, but I'm not alleging that

619
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,319
he caused it or was behind it. But there have

620
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been books written that talked about the involvement in various

621
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:42,640
occult activities that were going on with Angelica Houston and

622
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,839
other people in those circles when they were having these

623
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,480
parties where supposedly the underage stuff happened that resulted in

624
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:51,960
Polanski leaving the country and living in I think Poland

625
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or where he lives. So that to me suggests that yeah,

626
00:33:56,319 --> 00:34:00,319
there are secret society occult things going on with the

627
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with Polanski at least, and with the circles of the

628
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Mansons and the Tates. So I wouldn't be surprised if

629
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,000
she wasn't some kind of occult sacrifice. Right.

630
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Speaker 1: Next question then is what is the process of going

631
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through mk ultra.

632
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Speaker 2: Well, in Kultra was a series of dozens and dozens

633
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:26,000
of different projects. So that's kind of a loose term

634
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:29,639
that's used for all of these, but in reality, Kultra

635
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,679
was done at dozens of universities, It was done in

636
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,719
military bases, it was done at psychiatric institutions, hospitals. It

637
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,880
was like a broad, vast research operation that involved everything

638
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,239
from LSD to sleep studies. In fact, most people don't

639
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,159
know that a lot of m culture research is being

640
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,559
done in Australia and a lot of the famous doctors

641
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,360
out of the Australian system that we're studying schizophrenia. There's

642
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,800
a serial killer, one of the most famous serial killers

643
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,800
in Australia's name is Harry Something. But he was in

644
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,800
charge of a giant sleep studies clinic and what he

645
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,559
was doing was putting people to the point of death

646
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,679
and then bringing them back immediately as part of his

647
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,440
But that turned out to be part of m Kiltra.

648
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So I mean M kelch was very broad, very vast,

649
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,840
and so even the Theodore Kazinski when he was at Harvard.

650
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He actually signed up to be part of m k

651
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,000
Ltra explicitly, I think, probably because he thought he would

652
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,639
just get free free drugs. So that's the sense I got.

653
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:34,840
I don't think he knew he was what he was

654
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,519
getting into, but it was like, oh man, they're giving

655
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,760
up free drugs, dude, yeah, let's do it. But he

656
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,719
ended up part of mk Ultra. In fact, Whitey Bulger,

657
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,920
Whitey Bulger was part of m Kiltra. He was being

658
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,559
given LSD I think in prison if I recall. So

659
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:47,320
it's very broad, very vast.

660
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Speaker 1: Annabelle's asking your thoughts on the nineteen twenty seven Moving Metropolis.

661
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I included that in my second book. It's I

662
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,800
think it's the last chapter in my second book because

663
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,760
there's a lot of weird socialist st eric stuff going

664
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on in there. I think ritz Lang Ifa re Call

665
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,920
was explicitly a socialist, and so the point of that

666
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,280
book of that movie is to demonstrate that we can

667
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,679
have a future technocracy, but we're gonna have to be

668
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:20,960
careful because you can't let the classes have class war.

669
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So they have to in some way function in a synergy.

670
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That's the point of the movie at the end. But

671
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,280
what's most interesting about the movie is that it came

672
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out in the nineteen twenties, and you have this idea

673
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:38,280
of the creation of AI and sex bots in a

674
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nineteen twenties film, and that's where right now, like one

675
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,039
hundred years later, at the point where they're beginning to

676
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,880
roll this out. So I think it's a very prophetic film,

677
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and that's what I highlighted in my chapter on it.

678
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just started to watch this movie sub something

679
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,960
about this rope up?

680
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: Oh did Megan fox one? Yeah, Yeah, we just watched that. Yeah,

681
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,760
you'll see what it's. It's kind of a it's like

682
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,760
an updated version of Metropolis exactly.

683
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Speaker 1: And there was what juice ex machine I'm gonna pronouncing

684
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:08,239
it correct that one as well?

685
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh ex Machina that was. That was actually really good

686
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,360
to know we covered those.

687
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So Sarai Gonzalez, does the current status

688
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,440
of Hollywood and how it operates reflect the founders of Hollywood?

689
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,079
Did they design it to be this way exploitative and controlling.

690
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Speaker 2: To a degree? Yes, I mean I don't know that

691
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,880
they knew what it would become, but the earliest days

692
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of Hollywood, and then the vaudeville and then the studio systems,

693
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,880
Like when the studio system comes about. If I recall

694
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,840
this is from mainline academia. This is not my theory,

695
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,199
but I recall, I mean it's pretty much all but one,

696
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:55,599
like four or five of the major studios, the heads

697
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:58,519
of them were all members of They were all Freemasons,

698
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:00,960
very active free Mason So I think that from the

699
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,519
earliest days they wanted to lock down that system and

700
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:09,639
control it. And even the one studio that wasn't, which

701
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:13,280
I think was RKO, well that was like Rockefeller. So

702
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,800
that you have like studio systems owned by a certain

703
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,639
people group, shall we say, from the Middle East, and

704
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,960
then you have one studio that's like owned by the

705
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,760
moguls of America. So it's it's yes, I would say

706
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,840
it's always been intentionally. Doesn't mean everybody's bad, doesn't mean

707
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,920
all the movies are bad. It just means that overall

708
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,119
the system was there as a massive propaganda engine for sure.

709
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,119
Speaker 1: Question from Tador about the Tavistock Institute alleged to have

710
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:46,360
a task to suffocate cultural optimism of post war fifties

711
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,960
and sixties what her thoughts on the Tavistock Institute.

712
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've gone pretty deep into Tabsak. In fact, I

713
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,199
just recently got one of their official histories from a

714
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,079
guy HV. Dix who was a member of the Tabstock Institute,

715
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,639
and the official history, written in the nineteen sixties or seventies,

716
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,760
actually basically admits a lot of this. So we've had

717
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,320
people in the conspiracy sphere writing for a long time

718
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,320
about the role of Tavistock, doctor John Coleman, Daniel Estalin,

719
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:17,440
so a lot of people have talked about it for

720
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,840
a long time, and in fact, it was pretty clear

721
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,000
that they were very open in the last ten years

722
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,800
that Tavistock was at the tip of the sphere pushing

723
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,199
the tr and S agenda. For the last ten years,

724
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,000
they've admitted this, and they supposedly were shutting down the

725
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:34,599
clinic because it was so there was so much backlash

726
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,760
against it. I would not be surprised if they weren't

727
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,599
involved in every aspect of social engineering, including how to

728
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,159
do you word it, shutting down optimism or something like that. Yeah,

729
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,119
they've They've been in the premiere brainwashing institute for the

730
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,280
last one hundred years. I think I mean, and you

731
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,039
have people like all the people from the Frankfurt School,

732
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:59,360
You've got Carl Young, You've got everybody who's anybody working

733
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,679
with Tabastock over the years.

734
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we've got twenty minutes left with Jay.

735
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,559
Get your questions in before big Homie comes in.

736
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:11,639
Speaker 2: And am I not big home?

737
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,559
Speaker 1: He's six six foot eight? I think?

738
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: Okay, he wins, Yeah, he's.

739
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: Pam. Is there anybody in Hollywood who hasn't sold a

740
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,320
sould to the devil? And why do they thank God

741
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,639
that the award ceremonies said they worship the devil? It's

742
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:33,800
an inversion, isn't it.

743
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, yeah, they could mean their God, right, they

744
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,800
could mean the devil. They could mean anything. Also, they

745
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,719
could do it just for a public purview, right, because

746
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,280
most people in America are not open Satanists, So they

747
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,519
might just be doing it to look good and like, Okay,

748
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,840
so the Americans believe in God or whatever, so I'll

749
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,719
say thank you God. So maybe just for looks in

750
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,559
pr But yeah, I would imagine there's plenty of people

751
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,760
who aren't totally sold out, or who you know are naive,

752
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,840
or who you know have good intentions. I mean again,

753
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:11,519
the old legacy systems going away, so I think that'll

754
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:13,599
be less and less relevant. I've done a lot of

755
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:18,079
interviews with Jamie Kennedy, the comedian and the guy from

756
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,960
you Know, Malboy's Most Wanted Scream. We've done a lot

757
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,599
of live shows and stand up and podcasts together, and

758
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,079
he's very candid in his podcast and the interviews we've done.

759
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,480
He's like Hollywood's dead. He's like, I'm still here, I

760
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:31,559
still work in it, but this old legacy system is

761
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,440
dying and going away. And I don't think Jamie sold

762
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,960
his soul. He's very open, he's antieing the world order.

763
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,320
He's very honest, cool guy. So he's one example. I

764
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,440
think there's plenty of other people too. I'm sure I've

765
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,920
met some other I've met some comedians and stand ups

766
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,639
that are pretty well known, and I don't think their

767
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:53,199
sellouts or bad guys. I think typically the most sold

768
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,400
out would be, like we're talking about earlier, like when

769
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,079
you get to that certain like one hundred million dollars

770
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:02,079
billion dollar love, that's where you're kind of required and

771
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:03,679
expected to sell out. I think.

772
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: Murray wants your most recent favorite book title.

773
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm reading a book right now on the history of

774
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,400
British espionage in terms of the turn of the last century.

775
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,519
It's called Black Gold Spies and it's about how the

776
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:26,719
British Empire was really mainly concerned with locking down control

777
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,760
of oil. They didn't actually end up getting that. It

778
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,320
ended up being America and the Rockefellers that really won that.

779
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,079
But it's an insight into how the British power structure worked,

780
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,840
the royal society, how it worked at the turn of

781
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,119
the last century. So it's highlighting people like T. E.

782
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,559
Lawrence Lawrence of Arabia, if you've never seen that movie,

783
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,559
it's kind of about that. So that's a really good book.

784
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:49,679
I recommend that to anybody who's interested. And the reason

785
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:51,159
that matters you're like, well, that's one hundred and twenty

786
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,480
years ago, who cares, Well, the way the system operates,

787
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,360
it's the same. So if you go back to the

788
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,880
Great Game of what Russia and the West we're doing

789
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,880
one hundred plus years ago, it's the same stuff that's

790
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,519
happening right now. So like history just repeats, that's why

791
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:10,760
it matters, same stuff, but with high tech, yeah, exactly.

792
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,519
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are asking about a lot

793
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:15,760
of different names and a lot of different questions about

794
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,280
people getting dragged into the jay Z Diddy thing. And

795
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,840
I'll give you some of the names, Naomi Campbell, Mary J. Blige,

796
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:30,440
Lebron j Low, Beyonce. You know, they think there could

797
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,880
be some kind of domino effect with these other people.

798
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,039
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, I would. I wouldn't be surprised. I would.

799
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:40,719
I would think that the way all of those groups

800
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,119
work is like a kind of network and secret society structure,

801
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,679
even if they're not all literally in the same secret society.

802
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,519
We know that. For example, Boole Society is a great

803
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:56,039
example of like a high level, prominent black secret society

804
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,920
or fraternity so to speak. I actually believe a lot

805
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:04,039
of fraternities are just kind of watered down secret societies

806
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,159
or maybe even actual fall on secret societies, kind of

807
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:09,639
like Skull and Bones. You know, Skalling Bones is a

808
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:12,760
great example of you know, Yale, Harvard people whatever there.

809
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,920
I know it's from Yale, but people out of that

810
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,559
power structure, the wasp of power structure, that's how they're

811
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:23,000
recruited into the OSS and the CEO structure. And I

812
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:26,079
think you have these same type of things for other

813
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:29,360
people groups like black secret societies, black networks that recruit,

814
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:33,159
so they're going to operate the same way as Skull

815
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,920
and Bones and those things work. It's just for other

816
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,119
people groups. So that being the case, I would not

817
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:42,800
be surprised if j Low and all these, Naomi camp

818
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,440
wasn't Naomi Campbell close to Epstein.

819
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:51,639
Speaker 1: She's everyone did E Weinstein, all of them?

820
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I wouldn't be surprised, But I don't

821
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:55,800
know any specifics.

822
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, So Susan is saying, if Hollywood is dead,

823
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,920
well replace.

824
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: It right now, it's just shifting to the Internet and

825
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:11,880
the you know, studio systems of Amazon, Apple, forget the

826
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,360
other one. I guess Netflix has their own studios, So

827
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,159
I mean, it's just internet now. But I mean it's

828
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:21,519
the same ethos. It's not fundamentally different terms of its

829
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:24,440
morals and the propaganda. In fact, it's probably worse now

830
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:27,400
because it seems like the kind of messaging that we

831
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,880
get from Netflix, you know, the last few years, has

832
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,159
been even worse than what Hollywood's able to put out.

833
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,559
So it'll go to that. But I mean, I don't know,

834
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,440
maybe maybe those things that the people and I think

835
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,800
Netflix has been stock has been going down over the

836
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,000
last several years with their scandals. Disney has been tanking

837
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,440
through their scandals with all the degeneracy that they pushed,

838
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:50,559
So hopefully people will continue to not support these mega

839
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:52,239
entities that are mind controlling everybody.

840
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,039
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on the movie Wizard of Oz. I'm

841
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:58,719
wicked the people who wrote the stories.

842
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,199
Speaker 2: I've looked into Frank Baum. I think he's an interesting

843
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,199
character because he was a theosophist, so he was involved

844
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,320
in the occult kind of a you know, weird secret

845
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,800
society kind of dude, and he did pack a lot

846
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:18,480
of theosophical meanings into the OZ series. If you look

847
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,320
at something like Return to Oz. We did a whole

848
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,920
podcast breakdown on that film, which is a really weird

849
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,559
Disney film in the nineteen eighties, and you know, there's

850
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:28,639
a lot of mind control and kilter stuff going on

851
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,760
in that film. But I would say that overall, I

852
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,679
think the ethos is very similar to the patterns of

853
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,039
the stories that you see in Through the Looking Glass.

854
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,519
I've done big breakdowns of that book by Lewis Carroll,

855
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,000
and there's a lot of mind control, alternative mpdd ID

856
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:52,800
stuff going on explicitly in Lewis Carroll's books. I think

857
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,400
it's the same stuff going on with Oz. So they've

858
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,599
become really good structures and patterns for people who are

859
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,559
into mind control. In fact, I think doctor You and

860
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:05,119
Cameron in John Markx's book named Kultra it was Wizard.

861
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,599
It was either Wizard of Oz or Lewis Carroll's uh

862
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:14,199
looking glass that he used as his pattern supposedly for

863
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,679
trying to restructure a person's personality. So they literally did

864
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,280
at one point use these stories as models of how

865
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,719
to try to create different personalities in people. Whether they

866
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,719
were super successful that, I don't know. We're not a

867
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,519
lot of the m culture research was destroyed, so we

868
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:33,400
don't know how successful it was. But yeah, I think

869
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,519
there is a I don't know that Frank Baum intended

870
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,760
it to be an in culture thing. You didn't know

871
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,840
about that. But people were realizing a long time ago,

872
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,079
even ancient Egypt, they seem they seemed to realize that

873
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:48,280
you could hypnotize people. People had perhaps multiple personalities in

874
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,519
the ancient world, the possession type stuff. So I think

875
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:54,480
that as we get closer to the modern era, people

876
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:56,800
were just kind of putting these ideas under their stories

877
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,920
and then they become templates for later into sellectuals or

878
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,360
mind control of mad scientists to try to say, oh,

879
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,280
let's try to use this as a as a manual.

880
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,119
Speaker 1: Susan Watson, if you think the film La Confidential is

881
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:13,920
a good reflection of early Hollywood corruption and debauchery.

882
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love La Convenational. In fact, that's one

883
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:19,880
of my favorite neo NWA films. We did a podcast

884
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,800
on that a few years ago. Get you do get

885
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,480
some interesting insights into because that film is about you know,

886
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:32,039
the police being corrupt, kind of working with drug prostitution rings,

887
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,000
Hollywood being involved. So yeah, it's a great insight into

888
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:40,199
exactly what we're talking about today, that Hollywood's really never

889
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,719
been a different. Music industry is the same way, never

890
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,920
been any different. Absolutely, what do you make.

891
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,599
Speaker 1: Of all these drone videos that are coming out over America.

892
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,679
Speaker 2: I think it's some kind of deep state side up.

893
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,800
I don't exactly know what the point is. It might

894
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,280
be to undermine Trump, it might be to you know,

895
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:03,119
it might need to lay the groundwork to say that

896
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:07,000
we're being drone attacked by Iran or Russia to then

897
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,440
have a false justification for war, uh troops on the

898
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,360
ground in Iran troops, you know, American troops in the Ukraine.

899
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,840
I mean, it could be a justification for that, But

900
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,760
I don't believe that there's anything alien involved in it.

901
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,800
I'm a big supporter of the thesis that the alien

902
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,159
stuff is a giant sy op. If you just watch

903
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:31,960
a document documentary like Mirage Man, it's really good for that.

904
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:35,679
Speaker 1: Is there any any drones over your state?

905
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,079
Speaker 2: No?

906
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: No, so far. I mean.

907
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:46,079
Speaker 2: All I've heard about so far is Colorado, California, New Jersey.

908
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,480
But it seems to be kind of like every every

909
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:52,400
day there's like a new story of these crazy drones,

910
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,800
probably up so in the maybe in the next couple

911
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,559
of days, or maybe today we'll get one. I don't know.

912
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Sky's Shrine, is asking for your thoughts

913
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,000
on flight MH seventeen.

914
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Malaysian stuff, I follow up. I remember following that

915
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:12,840
at the time. I don't have anything conclusive on it.

916
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,639
I don't believe it was like mystical warp technology that

917
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,920
made it warp to some other place. I don't know

918
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:20,840
what it is.

919
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,119
Speaker 1: Becky, I've heard a lot of Stars of the Dark.

920
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,199
What's about Keanu Reeves. He seems light, but Johnny Depp

921
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:28,920
seems dark.

922
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: I maybe, I mean, it does seem like, you know,

923
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,159
Keano's energy is a positive, nice guy at least as

924
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,079
far as I can tell. I don't know anything about him,

925
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,239
but I know that Johnny Depp at one time did

926
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,119
state that he was involved in the occult explicitly. He

927
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:53,599
did say about ten years ago, maybe fifteen years ago,

928
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:56,760
he said that he was involved in chaos magic, which

929
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,760
is a real thing. It's a real magic tradition. So

930
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,599
you know, maybe he learned hard the hard way that

931
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,760
that's not a good practice. I don't know, but yeah,

932
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,440
I think yeah, I think usually you can kind of

933
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,519
get a good sense of the and sometimes people can

934
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:14,119
be super psychopathic and fool you and they seem really nice,

935
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,639
but they're like the most dastardly people that happen sometimes.

936
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:21,199
But probably, yeah, that that thesis is right.

937
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,599
Speaker 1: So it's Tom Cruise involved at the top level. Is

938
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:27,840
involved at the top level of scientology, isn't he.

939
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Tom Cruise is one of these people

940
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,800
that we're talking about, like that seems to be kind

941
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,519
of at a high like I mean, I would I

942
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:40,559
don't know, I can't prove. This is my opinion. People

943
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:45,199
like Ben Affleck, people like Matt Damon, George Clooney, they

944
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,800
have a history of explicitly working with the CIA in

945
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,280
a very open way, perhaps even being CIA themselves. In fact,

946
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,000
I always play that it's either Guardian or Telegraph. In

947
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:00,000
an interview from ten years ago where Ben Affleck literally

948
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,079
says you could do the interviews still on YouTube. You

949
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:03,719
can pull it up. He says, look Hollywood in the

950
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,719
CI or flip sides the same coin. A bunch of

951
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,039
people in Hollywood work for the CIA, and vice versa.

952
00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:10,960
And if you go I mean, just if you go

953
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,719
to the CIA page on Instagram and you look at

954
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,199
who follows it, it's literally all the people that you

955
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:21,159
would think like that are in CIA TV shows. So

956
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,280
it's Clare Danes and it's like Tom Cruise or I

957
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,599
can't remember Tom Cruise on it. But the point being,

958
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,960
I would not be surprised if there isn't like a

959
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,480
you know, Tom Cruise working with the CIA type stuff.

960
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: Gemini is asking whether you ever get threts on your

961
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,480
life of speaking out.

962
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I think everybody who gets to a certain

963
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,519
level of like you know, of you're over one hundred

964
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:46,679
thousand on YouTube or something, You're you're gonna eventually start

965
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,719
getting people saying crazy stuff and you know, threatening you.

966
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,679
And so I've had some like comments that you know

967
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,920
will comeque you or something like that, but nothing's ever happened.

968
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,920
I mean, I live in two in two states where

969
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,360
you can always have a gun very easily, and I

970
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,440
always do have a gun, so I'm not too worried

971
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,039
about that. But no, I mean the type of research

972
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:11,239
that I do usually just deals with stuff that's already

973
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,199
in the public domain. So I don't ever have like,

974
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,239
you know, I'm gonna drop the secret information that's gonna,

975
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,840
you know, bring down Bill Clinton in two weeks, which

976
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,519
that's like the best way to like, I mean, they're

977
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:26,320
gonna kill you in the next two weeks. Is really stupid.

978
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,280
So now I don't ever work with anything that's not

979
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,360
you know, in the public domain. So not really.

980
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: Do you think the Hollywood side will get knocked down

981
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:37,199
like the Berlin Wall?

982
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe if they if if California and Los Angeles

983
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,199
continue with their socialist policies, they won't even have to

984
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,400
knock it down. Everything will just degrade and it'll fall

985
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,199
down because I mean, it wasn't as bad as I

986
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:56,320
expected it to be. But we were in LA maybe

987
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:01,199
eight months ago, and I mean it's it's looking rough.

988
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:04,639
I mean, there's still some nice areas. But I just

989
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:09,559
think that when your city's turn super blue socialists and

990
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:14,079
they're run by these just insane Democrat leaders. I'm not

991
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:17,320
saying the GP is that much better, but the Democrats

992
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,480
just seem to be really good at like wrecking stuff.

993
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:22,760
So I wouldn't give LA much longer before it just collapses,

994
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:25,199
maybe years.

995
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: Is this the end of MK Ultra and deep state control.

996
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's the end. I think they're

997
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,679
gonna definitely pull every trick out of the hat that

998
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,719
they can. I mean, I don't know how this drone

999
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,159
stuff relates to it, but I sense that this is

1000
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:45,599
the next thing. I don't know where it's going, but

1001
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,199
I think that that that's another trick they're going to pull.

1002
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:55,679
They might put trouble another PA in demic. No, they're

1003
00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:58,719
not going away M CULTU. It never ended. Even when

1004
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,360
they had the hearings. They just renamed it MK Search

1005
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,599
and MK Delta and they went into other areas, so

1006
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:12,360
those became research into brain chips and biometrics and biological warfare.

1007
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:14,599
So all they had to do was rename it and

1008
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:16,800
classify it as national security.

1009
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: So no, it's never going away, Georgina. What does Jay

1010
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,159
think is the solution? How do we radically overhaul this

1011
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,519
endemic perversion?

1012
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,639
Speaker 2: I do think that the information continuing to get out

1013
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,119
is damaging them. I mean, even when I first came

1014
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:36,159
on your podcast a few years ago, Sean like, I

1015
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,639
wouldn't have expected things to go where they have gone.

1016
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,480
So a lot of positives have been happening. And we

1017
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,679
were talking four or five years ago, like we got

1018
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:45,159
to get the word out this kind of stuff, and

1019
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,239
even I was kind of skeptical whether we would actually

1020
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,960
be able to get the word out. But it does

1021
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,639
seem like, you know, whatever you think of Elin and Twitter, like,

1022
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:53,719
it does seem like a lot of good information is

1023
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,920
getting out. It's not perfect, it's not everything that we'd

1024
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,519
like to see getting out, but it's you know, Twitter

1025
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,960
is become the main hub of where people get information

1026
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000
out now in terms of the news format, not so

1027
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:08,880
much video video, still YouTube, But I think there's positives

1028
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,719
and I think that as long as we keep pushing

1029
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,840
the stuff out like people are figuring it out. Maybe

1030
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,639
not quick enough as we'd like, But do you agree?

1031
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:21,840
What do you think you've seen? I mean your channels

1032
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,239
only you're almost got a million now. Man, it's great.

1033
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: See AJ, I see AJ getting up to ten million

1034
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,519
in these lives on X. I've never seen anyone get

1035
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,079
that million be alive.

1036
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. We had a fourth Hour about a month ago

1037
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,400
that I did the Fourth Hour and that I was.

1038
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,159
That was hot. I was happy because that was the

1039
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:44,039
stream where Alex got thirty two million. So my fourth

1040
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,679
hour about thirty two million on that stream. So yeah, you.

1041
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: Guys have got me set in Well Records over the.

1042
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,679
Speaker 2: Well more so Alex. It's not me, but yeah, Alex is.

1043
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: Do you think Amba is involved in this craziness? It

1044
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,559
feels like is.

1045
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. My tendency. I don't have any proof, but my

1046
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,000
tendency is I think that a lot of the girls

1047
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:10,199
in pop music in Hollywood, they're they're kind of shuffled

1048
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:13,800
over into the witchcraft path, right, So the guys are,

1049
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:18,679
I guess they're they're put into crowley butt rituals and

1050
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:23,360
then girls are shuffled over into witchcraft and that's not

1051
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,559
far fetch I mean, we've seen a lot of high

1052
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:29,079
level Hollywood women and music industry women talk about being

1053
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:33,719
into witchcraft. In fact, some years back, Katy Perry talked

1054
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:36,639
about being inducted into witchcraft, maybe five years ago. She

1055
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:40,599
did a whole Instagram post about it. I would not

1056
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:44,199
be surprised if Amber Heard wasn't introduced into some circles

1057
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:47,559
of Wiccan witchcraft through Hollywood and the elite of Hollywood,

1058
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:54,440
the women elite. And what's her name Hermione from Harry Potter?

1059
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:59,719
I forget her name, Emma Watson's internew you know what

1060
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:01,880
I'm say talking about Hermione from Harry Potter. She's a

1061
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,599
famous British actress. Read her named Emma, Emma whatever, Emma Watson.

1062
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,239
She was also inducted into witchcraft according to her public

1063
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,679
Instagram posts, maybe two years ago. So I think that's

1064
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:14,199
what's going on with a lot of Hollywood women. I

1065
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:16,039
wouldn't be surprised if Ember HER's not a witch.

1066
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: Gene is asking, does J believe socker viewers and people

1067
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,199
in stadiums can get MK altered? Doesn't this go back

1068
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:28,440
to ancient Rome? Will give them games to watch and hypnotize.

1069
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: They're probably talking about. Yeah, like when we see the

1070
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:33,719
sportscasters and they like glitch out or whatever, I don't

1071
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:35,920
know what that is. I mean a lot of people

1072
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,920
in media and entertainment take pills, and so they could

1073
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,360
be like, you know, pilled out. I don't know, but

1074
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:44,760
I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, we don't know what

1075
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,119
kind of signals and he ll FVLFT they're using. They

1076
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,679
do have. Even in the nineteen seventies, Brazenski wrote in

1077
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:54,920
his book Between Two Ages that VLF signals can be

1078
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:59,559
used to agitate large masses of people, including entire nations

1079
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:03,960
and content. So maybe, but I think more so rather

1080
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,480
than the really sensationalist stuff just bred and circuses itself

1081
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:09,480
is kind of distraction in my control.

1082
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,199
Speaker 1: What's Hollywood designed with the idea in mind to team

1083
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,840
up with politicians and the government.

1084
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's why some of the first stuff

1085
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,840
that was recorded on cameras was propaganda. And so I

1086
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,199
mean I don't mean the first actual videos of the

1087
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,119
train or the man running or whatever, the most famous

1088
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:35,119
first foot, but like when it became a technology, you

1089
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:38,239
had Germany immediately leaped on it, you had the US

1090
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,079
immediately leaped on it immediately. In Russia you had people

1091
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:47,920
doing propaganda, so the military especially immediately saw the propaganda

1092
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,519
effects of film and they jumped on it right away.

1093
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:53,440
So absolutely a few.

1094
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,559
Speaker 1: People in that chat asking in your studies of the occult, etc.

1095
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,239
If you ever come across the use tunnels.

1096
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in one sense I can think of

1097
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:11,519
so the hell Fire Club, they would famously meet in

1098
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,079
areas of London underground, and they felt like, I'm guessing

1099
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:19,400
that for one, it was just a way to be secret,

1100
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,599
but perhaps there was also an association with the underworld

1101
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,840
being in tunnels and so forth. The Martin Preschool case

1102
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,840
when they fbid classified that they admitted that there were

1103
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,599
tunnels underneath the preschool, So that lends credence to the

1104
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,239
theory of Ted Gunderson. So yeah, there could be in

1105
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,599
a cult connection, there could be a human trafficking connection.

1106
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:42,400
And you can look up old Rank Corporation papers where

1107
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,199
they did talk about in the nineteen sixties or seventies

1108
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,199
how to build vast underground tunnel networks in the US.

1109
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,760
Whether they actually did that on a large scale and where,

1110
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,360
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.

1111
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: All right, So we got Is there a hierarchy a

1112
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,400
black magic in Hollywood?

1113
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: Probably, I don't know who the top of it would be,

1114
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:09,920
but there are many famous producers and directors that do

1115
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:14,519
talk about being in the into Kabbala very heavily. They

1116
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:16,840
do talk about being into ritual magic. They make movies

1117
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,199
about it, just a couple examples. I don't know. Again,

1118
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:20,480
I don't know if these people are at the top.

1119
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:25,519
But Darren Aronofsky, many of his movies are about Kabbala,

1120
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:29,679
so I would imagine he's into Kabbala. Very famous director,

1121
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,159
made a lot of really big films. James Franco re

1122
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:39,119
enacted an entire Crawley ritual about five or six years ago,

1123
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:42,199
so he's probably interested in that to some degree or

1124
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,519
part of it. If you read a book like Blood

1125
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:49,119
on the Altar, Hean Bickner goes through a lot of

1126
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,880
Hollywood people who were involved in the OTO back in

1127
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,039
the day. So yeah, I don't know who's running it.

1128
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:56,840
I don't know who the queen witch is, but probably

1129
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,440
maybe Madonna. Madonna's like, you know, a long time high

1130
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:02,519
level cobbylist. She's probably a high level witch.

1131
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:07,519
Speaker 1: Jay. Honestly, man, you got all these questions thrown up

1132
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:10,199
yet and you got answers for You've done so much research,

1133
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,800
do you like know something about every subject that's been

1134
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,400
raised every time? It's incredible, So I really appreciate you

1135
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:19,079
sharing your knowledge of us. Is anything you'd like to

1136
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:22,840
saying conclusions to the viewers before Big Homie comes home? Now?

1137
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: Thanks again for having me, Sean. It's always great coming on.

1138
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,920
I love it. You do a great show. If you're

1139
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,039
interested in these topics specifically like we've been talking about today,

1140
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:33,400
I have two books that cover the subject. If you're

1141
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,159
looking for a weird, wacky Christmas present for your friends

1142
01:02:36,199 --> 01:02:38,920
and family if they like this rabbit hole, I've got

1143
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:41,079
Estadar Hollywood one and two. And you can get signed

1144
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:43,519
copies at my website. If you buy from Jeff Bezos,

1145
01:02:43,679 --> 01:02:44,920
you don't get a signed copy. If you get it

1146
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,039
from a website Jason Alysons dot com. In the shop,

1147
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,440
every copy is signed and so I will personalize it

1148
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,039
for you and it makes for a great, fun, wacky

1149
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:54,719
Christmas present. Thank you so much, Sean.

1150
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:58,239
Speaker 1: The one you senterrate them in your distinct voice, Jay,

1151
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:02,119
do what they want you to narrate those books in

1152
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:03,480
your very distinct voice.

1153
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 2: Oh like an audiover I've never done. Yeah, maybe I should.

1154
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, get on it.

1155
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:11,119
Speaker 2: For something weird like that.

1156
01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:14,199
Speaker 1: All right, cheers, I'll close the show.

1157
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: I'll let you go, all.

1158
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: Right, Thanks man, cheers, Thanks bye, allright bye. What a

1159
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,599
fantastic guy. He's been a friend of the channel for years.

1160
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:25,119
Big Homie is. Now that the show has started, I'm

1161
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:27,360
going to end this one and it will transfer you

1162
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:32,000
over if it doesn't click on the channel icon, and

1163
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:35,320
that will set you over. Tomorrow we've got Hollywood butler

1164
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,679
exposing Tom Hanks, Marlon Brando, you name it. He was

1165
01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:46,320
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1166
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:49,920
I think Jaguar Wright's back. We're going all week, folks,

1167
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:52,840
hours and hours of content. Thank you for tuning in,

1168
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:55,760
thanks to your questions. Get ready for Big Homie