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<v Speaker 1>Bill cunning into Great America. Welcome this Thursday afternoon. The

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<v Speaker 1>triesday Rech Baseball kicks off, shall we say, on Friday, Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sunday. They fortunately have a day off today on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see what happens with the snakes over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to start winning some baseball games. But in

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<v Speaker 1>the meantime, we have more important matters we concern ourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the state of the nation, especially when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to anti Semitism, and so much more. As you

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<v Speaker 1>know yours truly, about two and a half years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>as part of a group that went to Israel, had

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<v Speaker 1>a fabulous time. I considered it to be maybe my

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<v Speaker 1>last trip outside of the country, and I had spent

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<v Speaker 1>time in the Palestinian controlled areas I went to. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I spent time a little bit of time in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 1>went to Bethlehem, Jerusalem, and elsewhere, and I came away

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<v Speaker 1>so impressed with what the Israeli people, the Jews, have done,

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<v Speaker 1>starting about thirty five hundred years ago, but really beginning

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty eight, calls the desert to flower and

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<v Speaker 1>have more respect than I had before. But nonetheless, Congressman

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Lansman is one of our own congressmen. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think you're my congressman. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>I voted for you. Maybe the next time I will.

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<v Speaker 1>But nonetheless, Greg Lansman, I don't know if you want

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<v Speaker 1>my vote, but welcome to the bill cunning in your vot.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that really impressed me is your comments might

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<v Speaker 1>have been to the inquiry or elsewhere about when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in public, you have your eyes on a swivel, and

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<v Speaker 1>you think you're going to be assassinated. Can you put

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what's going on with Greg Lansman, not as

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<v Speaker 1>a politician, as a father and a husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I first of all, I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people feel this way, So I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not unique, right, and and and this goes beyond the

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<v Speaker 2>Jews community. We're just living in very unsettling times in

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<v Speaker 2>that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, look what happened to or almost happened to

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump last summer. This is this is a highly

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<v Speaker 2>charged political environment a b for Jewish you know, Americans

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<v Speaker 2>and and particularly members of Congress. You know, we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of very vitual anti Semitic hate on our

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<v Speaker 2>on our social media pages, and people come and protest me.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh if they know I'm in public. It's almost every time.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and they slept outside my house for for

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<v Speaker 2>three days. They wouldn't leave. And you know, they show

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<v Speaker 2>up and they're fully masked and and and their dress

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<v Speaker 2>had to tell them black uh. And and you know

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying, you know, I'm a I'm a war criminal,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I'm part of this genocide. And and you

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<v Speaker 2>know I've been in target the parking lot, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>out with my kids and have you had a guy

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<v Speaker 2>his wife had to pull him away from me. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, you know you're going to pay for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's that threat. Is And I was on

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<v Speaker 2>Fountain Square a couple of days before Sarah and your

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<v Speaker 2>own were shot and murdered in DC. They're the two

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<v Speaker 2>embassy staffers, Israelly Embassy staffers that were shot killed up here.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of days before that. I was on Fountain

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<v Speaker 2>Square and I had decided not to have police protection

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<v Speaker 2>just because it wasn't my event. And I had this

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't see behind me, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>I had this really vivid image of being shot and

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<v Speaker 2>there My body was on the you know, on the

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground, and I was immediately dead. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>an image I haven't gotten out of my head since.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a few days later, it's what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>your own He was shot, immediately killed. And then Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you saw this, but based on

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<v Speaker 2>the police reports, she had tried to crawl away. She

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to crawl away. He just opened fire on her.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's entirely because they're Jewish, uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a in anti Semitism, there is this

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<v Speaker 2>history of blood libel, which is that we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some lie about us, you know, intentionally demonically killing innocent people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's been in play for the last eighteen months.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and then there's this other part of anti

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<v Speaker 2>Semitism called dual loyalty, where people just assume that we

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<v Speaker 2>can't be uh, you know, we're biased because we're so

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<v Speaker 2>loyal to to Israel and and and and there. He

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<v Speaker 2>just gets so complicated and awful and violent very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, reason has no no place. It's rage.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unspeakable. I look at Governor Josh Shapiro, who's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he has a life. He's got a wife, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>governor of Pennsylvania. He's got children. He lives in the

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<v Speaker 1>governor's mansion. Somehow somebody made it over a fence and

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<v Speaker 1>fire bombed is home and his kids are upstairs smelling

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<v Speaker 1>the smoke. And it's something in DC and Sarah's case.

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<v Speaker 1>The assassin, the murderer who looked for Jews to kill.

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<v Speaker 1>She was crawling away in blood. He reloaded and shot

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<v Speaker 1>her up to six or seven more times in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye in Boulder, Colorado, This crazy anti Semite Hamas supporting

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<v Speaker 1>criminal wanted to burn and he did burn up to

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen people with this Molotov cocktail and a flamethrower. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at that. I'm looking at what's happening on college campuses.

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<v Speaker 1>We can I don't think you're a great Trump supporter,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am. But he's on the right track when

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<v Speaker 1>he tries to tell colleges universities, you can't have anti

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<v Speaker 1>Semites and pro Hamas supporters taking over college facilities, disrupting

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<v Speaker 1>classes and making it impossible for Jewish students to go

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<v Speaker 1>to school. And we can argue and debate whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not the credit accreditation should be taken away, or no

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<v Speaker 1>foreign students should be allowed. But the separate matter is

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<v Speaker 1>it is not safe to be a Jew anywhere. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I would think as a Jewish coin. I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>a little story a congressman about ten fifteen years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman Jeanie Schmidt, whoever she showed up in public, there

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<v Speaker 1>was somebody assigned for, she thinks in the DNC, which

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<v Speaker 1>would follow her with a smartphone to record everything she does.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was I won't stay scared. But she couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere without being tracked. And that was for political

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<v Speaker 1>purposes to have her say something that might be perceived

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<v Speaker 1>as being stupid politically to be used. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>of a different category. You ever reasoned a fear of

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<v Speaker 1>being shot because of your faith and you and your

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<v Speaker 1>non support I guess for Hamas. And so I also

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<v Speaker 1>would point out that if somebody would call this weekend

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<v Speaker 1>for a day of rage, the mobs would show up

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<v Speaker 1>at Washington Park, the six hundred strong from river to

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<v Speaker 1>the sea. Palestine must be free, which means kill all

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews, whoever they might be located. That is again,

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<v Speaker 1>I could not imagine Congressman if there were five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>to one thousand Neo Nazis showing up in Washington Park

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<v Speaker 1>saying using the N word in some way that there

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be some stronger reaction. Is there a government? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there government that can stop some of this or not?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a great question. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it gets that the difference between free speech, what's protected speech,

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<v Speaker 2>and what's not. And when the neo Nazis showed up

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<v Speaker 2>near Lincoln Heights, I said, look, not all speech is protected.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not just you can't just show up and say

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want. I mean, for example, we all know

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't run into you know, you can't go

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<v Speaker 2>into a movie theater and scream fire. Right, there are

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<v Speaker 2>things that will hurt people, that incite fear or violence,

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<v Speaker 2>and those that's not protected speech. And so yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that that elected officials need to appreciate that

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<v Speaker 2>there's free speech and there's protests, but there's also hate

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<v Speaker 2>speech and chaos. And if you believe that something is

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<v Speaker 2>veering into you know, from protests to chaos, or from

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<v Speaker 2>free speech to hate speech and violent speech or speech

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<v Speaker 2>that will incite violence or unrest or you know, infringe

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<v Speaker 2>upon the rights of others. You have to engage. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to engage, and you can do it thoughtfully and

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<v Speaker 2>you can and you can talk to lawyers and all

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<v Speaker 2>these things, but you've got to go and engage and

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<v Speaker 2>say you can't do that. And so like when people

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<v Speaker 2>are outside my house, I said, look, this isn't all

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<v Speaker 2>protected speech, and you know, and then those folks, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some of them think, you know, I am trying to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, end the suffering. I'm of course, that is

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<v Speaker 2>a normal human reaction to seeing the pain and suffering

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<v Speaker 2>of war. But they're could be one or two people.

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<v Speaker 2>It only takes one who is not well. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>hearing that I'm more criminal and they have a weapon,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like they're you know now they're like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm justified. This is a war criminal. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>person who's participating in genocide. But you know, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's very dangerous and I do think that people have

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<v Speaker 2>to appreciate that. You can say to folks, look, you

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<v Speaker 2>can protest, but you got to get a permit, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to do it over here, you got to do

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<v Speaker 2>it in these designated areas, and here are the things

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<v Speaker 2>that we are looking for that will suggest to us

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<v Speaker 2>that this is not protected speech. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why that's so hard. When when college campuses told their students, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you can protest, but you can't cause chaos. You can

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<v Speaker 2>do free speech, but you can't do hate violent speech,

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<v Speaker 2>they were fine. What Columbia did was to say no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever you want, and that was chaos and you

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<v Speaker 2>can't do that. It's just, you know, it's it puts

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<v Speaker 2>people in danger and it makes you look like you

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<v Speaker 2>can't run an organization.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you reconsidered public service after these incidents? Have you thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'd rather be a live husband and

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<v Speaker 1>father than a dead former representative because if this continues,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine what occurs if the IDF or others

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<v Speaker 1>attack Iran, which I think is given at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to take out a deaficult committed to the

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<v Speaker 1>destruction of Israel that has said hundreds of missiles already

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<v Speaker 1>from Iran into Israel. Some hit, most didn't. And when

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<v Speaker 1>that happens, then all hell is going to break loose again.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you considered public service? Reconsidered?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I have a deep, deep faith. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my jusness is a big part of my identity. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the connect my community, that's my family, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>who I am, and say who God made me. My

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<v Speaker 2>faith is, you know, is bigger and it it includes

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<v Speaker 2>my understanding that this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That that yes, it makes things more dangerous for me

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<v Speaker 2>to speak out and to be as vocal about this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have this platform and my goal is to

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<v Speaker 2>help folks better understand like if you want to, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to, you know, protest the world. Obviously, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that's a normal human reaction. Sure, here are here

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<v Speaker 2>are the things that are that that would bear into

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<v Speaker 2>anti semitism. I have this platform. I should use it

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<v Speaker 2>and I should stick around. I think, not be afraid,

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<v Speaker 2>keep my head on a swivel to be sure, but

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<v Speaker 2>to stick around and try to get as much good

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<v Speaker 2>done as humanly possible. And I can't get deterred by

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that, yes, somebody may do something horrible, but

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<v Speaker 2>that that you know, that could happen no matter what.

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<v Speaker 2>And either way, I think this work matters. I think

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<v Speaker 2>public service matters.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you do you counsel with AOC and the radical

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<v Speaker 1>elements of the Liberal Democratic Party, the squad so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>They have the democratic banners, but they don't think like

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<v Speaker 1>you think when it comes to anti semitism. I won't

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<v Speaker 1>say it's encouraged, but it's not criticized. The idea of

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas chapters being on major college campus is the idea

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews are gunned down in the streets of the

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<v Speaker 1>nation's capital, set on fire and Boulder, Colorado, that the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish governor of Pennsylvania's home is firebombed, and you, the

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<v Speaker 1>radical left in your party tends not to see that

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<v Speaker 1>as serious anti semitism, and they quickly go, but what

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<v Speaker 1>about is? What about that? What about this? Have you

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<v Speaker 1>counseled with AOC and others to say, tell me those conversations?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean she, she and I surround a committee together,

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<v Speaker 2>so we have you know, we have a good chunk

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an honest guy. I want to have these conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>There there have been times where she has tweeted something

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<v Speaker 2>or said something where I've just pulled her aside and said, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I don't want to get into a Twitter fight.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not that's not my personality. But let me tell

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<v Speaker 2>you why that's so deeply disturbing. And the conversations have

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<v Speaker 2>been good. She you know, she listens. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope things we've made some progress. But what I've tried

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<v Speaker 2>to explain is that if you you, you can be

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<v Speaker 2>critical of the policies of Israel. I mean, Israelis do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you you can say I hate this war, I

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<v Speaker 2>hate this war. You can say all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just be because I want to be helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't please don't call genocide because you can say

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<v Speaker 2>that this there's way too many innocent lives and and

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<v Speaker 2>but you say genocide, genocide means that these folks are

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<v Speaker 2>evil and that they're they're going out of their way

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<v Speaker 2>to kill innocent people. That leads that that that leads

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<v Speaker 2>to all kinds of violent behavior against Jews, the free Palestine.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand. You may think, oh, I get that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like oh that you know we want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that Palestinians are free. Listen, I do too. I want

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<v Speaker 2>I want Hamas out of there. I want Palestinians to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to run their own lives, to live free

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<v Speaker 2>from fear and violence. So do most Israelis. All it,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean almost all Israelis. But when you say free Palestine,

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<v Speaker 2>Palestine suggests that that's Israel, that means get the Jews out.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you say global Intofauna, or or you're at

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<v Speaker 2>a rally when someone says that the Intofada included wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>all about it, but it included suicide bombings and killing

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<v Speaker 2>in the killing of Jews. And if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>globalize that that means that we're going to die. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I you know, I do think I make some progress.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, the Internet has this this pull on

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<v Speaker 2>people and they they they there's so many people on

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet, on these social media platforms that want, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some of their folks to say you have to say

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<v Speaker 2>that you've got to stand in solidarity. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>there is this urge to stand in solidarity with people

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<v Speaker 2>who are suffering. And I'm there, you know, in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the suffering part. But I do I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that talking directly to these folks that I have done

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<v Speaker 2>is the best way. I don't I don't think of

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<v Speaker 2>online Twitter battle. I do think I'm making some progress,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, even my staff kind of rolls their

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<v Speaker 2>eyes sometimes and say, well, you're not gonna make as

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<v Speaker 2>much progress as you think. But I'm gonna try. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna try. I'm gonna try now the social media stuff

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't I don't want to, I I do think.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Trump has this good relationship with these big

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<v Speaker 2>tech CEOs, and so much the proliferation of anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 2>and the violent stuff is on these platforms, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I had been asking the administration. I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>it more formally next week with a letter and some

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls to just say, hey, can you can you

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<v Speaker 2>talk to these CEOs about a coordinated effort to crack

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Trump's Trump is the only president ever to

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<v Speaker 1>have numerous Jewish grandchildren, and he loves them dearly. Lastly,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say this Hamas doesn't want to surrender. They've

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<v Speaker 1>lost the war. But they've said and cut her and

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<v Speaker 1>elsewhere that they use the living bodies of men, women

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<v Speaker 1>and children who live in Gaza as a weapon for

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<v Speaker 1>public relations against the Jews, because instead of surrendering and

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<v Speaker 1>saying here's the hostages, we lost you one put down

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<v Speaker 1>our arms, they don't want that. They want more Palestinians killed.

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<v Speaker 1>They want Palestinian children to starve to death. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>with Hamas, it fits some political purpose and that's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna change because they're in a blood lust against Jews,

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<v Speaker 1>irrespective effects.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really you know, Hamas and Hesbela are different.

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<v Speaker 2>They're both funded by Iron. Hamas is in Gaza and

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<v Speaker 2>Southern is you know, in the southern part of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Hesbela is north in Lebanon. When when they when they

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<v Speaker 2>Israel approaches both almost identically, which is when they are

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<v Speaker 2>trying to go after hes Below terrorists or their munition,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, dumps or whatever. And the same with Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>They they put out messages to civilians, Hey, this is

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<v Speaker 2>where we're targeting, please leave, you know, you know twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hours. The difference is Hesbela lets people leave, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the war and you know against Hesbela has been

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly successful with very little civilian casualty casualties because Hasbilus

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<v Speaker 2>is different. Hasbulus is fine, Yeah, they can leave. Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>won't let them leave, and Israel still waits and tries

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<v Speaker 2>to do everything they can to get these frosts out,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes they decide not to target those places because

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<v Speaker 2>there's too many civilians. But that's the difference. Hams is

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<v Speaker 2>the difference. Look at what's happening and Lebanon and you

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<v Speaker 2>will see the very a very different situation because Hasbil

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<v Speaker 2>is different than.

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas Greg Lansman, we got a run. But I'll stand

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<v Speaker 1>with Israel one thousand percent at civilization against the barbarism

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<v Speaker 1>and I get it. And Greg Lansman, once again, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show and Congress. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>do it again. God bless you, thank you. Let's continue

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