Speaker 1: Oh, we're in at stith Heads crack of beer. It's
Speaker 1: not a natty this time. It's a freaking or not natty.
Speaker 1: It's not a keystone, it's a PBR. But whatever, We're
Speaker 1: gonna change it up a little bit because we're gonna
Speaker 1: get weird today. All right. There's so many weird things
Speaker 1: going on in the world that keep us distracted from
Speaker 1: everything else. But there's actually weirder shit out there that
Speaker 1: we kind of forget about because our force is drained
Speaker 1: every damn day by the twenty four to seven news
Speaker 1: media and all that shit. So anyways, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: A guest I've been listening to for multiple years many
Speaker 1: other podcasts. Great fucking researcher. I'm glad to make this
Speaker 1: connection finally, Chris Matthew, How you doing? Brother?
Speaker 2: Hey Derek, what's up man? Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: having me on. Ready to get weird with you, brother,
Speaker 2: mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Like I said, some weirdness in the world, you know.
Speaker 1: Like what I kind of really messaged you to be
Speaker 1: honest with you about was in the first place was
Speaker 1: me and my wife were always like, okay, let's take
Speaker 1: one vacation each year for us and then one vacation
Speaker 1: with three kids, right, because a vacation with three kids
Speaker 1: is not really a vacation. It's fucking babysit and it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of shit to deal with,
Speaker 1: so you don't really get to let loose. So we
Speaker 1: were like, what if we went to like a national park.
Speaker 1: We were thinking about Yosemite. I was like, one of
Speaker 1: the only reasons to kind of drag me to California
Speaker 1: in the first place, and then I start thinking about him,
Speaker 1: like yeah, but man, like the national park stories get
Speaker 1: really weird because most of them go unsolved. A lot
Speaker 1: of them just really get forgotten about. If you've noticed
Speaker 1: in your research over the years, it's kind of just like,
Speaker 1: you know, Teddy Roosevelt opens national park systems, but he
Speaker 1: also wrote about kind of bigfoots and other fucking monsters
Speaker 1: and stuff over the years, So you're like, did we
Speaker 1: just make a big prison for these things? And if
Speaker 1: people go missing him in it, that's just kind of
Speaker 1: like so what you see where I'm kind of going
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we jump in a little bit. Yeah, it's pretty weird.
Speaker 2: I've never had any personal experiences with cryptids or any
Speaker 2: which you would probably consider traditional pair normal experiences, but
Speaker 2: I've spoken with many, many people who have I kind
Speaker 2: of put myself through the metaphysical ringer, you could say,
Speaker 2: with my own psychedelic experiences and meditation. Very strange things
Speaker 2: would occur through some of those situations, but other than that,
Speaker 2: haven't really experienced anything personal. But I am definitely fascinated
Speaker 2: with the possibilities surrounding things like the missing for one one,
Speaker 2: encryptids and beings, and recently something has been pushing the
Speaker 2: guests I've been having and the conversations more towards a
Speaker 2: reality that whatever these beings are may not be separate beings,
Speaker 2: that it may be one all encompassing intelligence somewhat connected
Speaker 2: to simulation theory, but that there are actually intelligences involved
Speaker 2: and they pull strings kind of like a have you
Speaker 2: seen Dark City? Kind of like a Dark City scenario.
Speaker 1: I've passed by the movie multiple times. Is that one
Speaker 1: with keep for Sutherland in it? I believe? Yes, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I've It's on my watch list. Man, I've actually walked anyways,
Speaker 1: because I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to give it away for you, but basically,
Speaker 2: the whole reality is controlled by these beings and they
Speaker 2: don't necessarily have our best interest in mind. But where
Speaker 2: I'm at with everything right now is I have no idea.
Speaker 2: We could get a little deeper into that, and it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's not having any idea, just having questions. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I have more questions now than I ever had any answers.
Speaker 2: But as far as the individual situations and experiences that
Speaker 2: people have connected to high strangeness, like cryptids and disappearances
Speaker 2: and things like that, they can vary tremendously. But I
Speaker 2: think when we look at the similarities, that's what points
Speaker 2: to there is something that we don't really understand. And
Speaker 2: it's not just one thing or the other. It's a
Speaker 2: little bit of everything because it seems to be interwoven
Speaker 2: and connected in that way. But that's just where I'm
Speaker 2: at with quote unquote the phenomenon right now.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's just like a high strangeness. It's
Speaker 1: like like Tripoli's basically said, like it's like certain places
Speaker 1: are like a haunted house, you know, and and and
Speaker 1: a haunted house could have five different entities, well all
Speaker 1: of five different you know, outcomes that they're trying to
Speaker 1: come up with at the same time, like they're not
Speaker 1: on the same page. That's what it seems like a
Speaker 1: lot of these weird stories, whether it's you know, orbs,
Speaker 1: whether it's the Skinwalker Ranch and and some of these
Speaker 1: other places, like they're not always the exact same story,
Speaker 1: but there's a weirdness that's very similar, kind of like
Speaker 1: you're saying to a lot of them. When you narrow
Speaker 1: it down.
Speaker 2: It is when we look at the place, the individual
Speaker 2: place is like Skinwalker Ranch or are there any places
Speaker 2: of high strangeness. There are certain things that happen across
Speaker 2: the board, and there are you can go to those
Speaker 2: areas and expect something to happen. But if you look
Speaker 2: at people who have high strangeness that follow them around,
Speaker 2: there is something connected with that individual's consciousness that either
Speaker 2: their perception is open enough to be able to perceive
Speaker 2: these things, or whatever this is is attracted to them
Speaker 2: in some way. But there's also another level of this.
Speaker 2: People who go seeking them phenomena and are for example,
Speaker 2: magical practitioners or occultists, they open up something in their
Speaker 2: lives and the phenomena starts to manifest around them in
Speaker 2: certain ways. So I think it's everywhere. I think we
Speaker 2: have certain keys that can unlock the experience in certain locations,
Speaker 2: and I think certain locations are more potent, meaning maybe
Speaker 2: the veilst thinner there and the energy is different. We
Speaker 2: have access to it, but there's also certain people with
Speaker 2: access to it, and I think we all have the
Speaker 2: potential to access it. We just have to have that
Speaker 2: certain connection and make that connection with it. I personally
Speaker 2: made a connection with it through the psychedelic and meditative experiences.
Speaker 2: I have a connection with now what I call my guides,
Speaker 2: But still I question that. I question that experience because
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what I'm speaking with. There was
Speaker 2: a while in my life where I was taking the
Speaker 2: guidance of these beings just, you know, pretty much just
Speaker 2: doing whatever they wanted me to do, because I felt
Speaker 2: that they were angels or spirit guides and everything they
Speaker 2: had told me was true, and they seemed to be
Speaker 2: very benevolent and guiding me towards good experiences. I no
Speaker 2: longer do that. I no longer listen to these beings
Speaker 2: because I have heard too many other experiences and I
Speaker 2: know how this stuff works much better now, and there
Speaker 2: seems to be a level of deception even with the
Speaker 2: most benevolent experiences with the most benevolent contact experiences, whether
Speaker 2: it's for our greater good, whether they know something more
Speaker 2: than we don't and they're guiding us towards something. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But the more I look at it, it
Speaker 2: just seems to be two sides of the same phenomena.
Speaker 2: Say it's wearing a mask of Jesus, it's wearing a
Speaker 2: mask of demons, and it presents itself however it wants
Speaker 2: you to see the phenomena.
Speaker 1: Right, I see that too. If you think about it,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like, yeah, whatever your intentions, whatever
Speaker 1: you're looking into, whatever you're interested in, that's what it
Speaker 1: tries to latch onto. Whether it's your dead grandma that
Speaker 1: you miss and they know that they can gravi you
Speaker 1: with that, whether it's you want to see Jesus, whether
Speaker 1: it's whatever. It's it's really interesting. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: this then, So you said, after you stopped talking, like
Speaker 1: not talking, but after you stopped listening to what you're
Speaker 1: you know, whatever they were on that other side of
Speaker 1: the veil, was there any pushback, Like did you feel
Speaker 1: any pushback or any weird like no.
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna say I stopped listening. There's still communication,
Speaker 2: and I do still listen to the messages that come through,
Speaker 2: and I listen fearlessly. I don't have any fear that
Speaker 2: I'm communicating because whatever this is, I've come to realize
Speaker 2: has been with me my whole life. It's my conscience,
Speaker 2: it's you awakened it. Yeah, yeah, it's whatever keeps you
Speaker 2: from stepping off a cliff. It's that gut feeling you
Speaker 2: get about certain situations. It's connected. It's all the same thing.
Speaker 2: But do I trust it wholeheartedly? No? I do not,
Speaker 2: because still I don't know what is beyond the veil.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this existence, this reality, my incarnation
Speaker 2: is truly about. I have consideration, I know what works
Speaker 2: for me, and I know I do have a belief
Speaker 2: in a creator God, and I've had enough experiences that
Speaker 2: point me to the power of Christ consciousness and whatever
Speaker 2: Christ is, there's something very powerful there as well. Other
Speaker 2: than that, I couldn't tell you what is going on
Speaker 2: in these spirit realms. But that is why I do
Speaker 2: this every day, because I'm trying to dig it a
Speaker 2: little deeper into it and find out a little bit more.
Speaker 2: As much as I can.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, And that's what makes it interesting, is you know,
Speaker 1: we get into conspiracies, whether it's government or whether it's
Speaker 1: NASA or well, I guess that's government, or whether it's
Speaker 1: you know, history in itself or entities or bigfoots or whatever.
Speaker 1: We get into these ideas of like, hey, these people
Speaker 1: that say they're telling us the truth aren't really telling
Speaker 1: us the truth. So then your friends will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you know the answers to everything. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: the more you dig into shit, like you realize I
Speaker 1: know nothing. I'm retarded, Like you know, like at least
Speaker 1: you're looking into it, but you're like you come up
Speaker 1: with one hundred more questions for half of an answer,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's the interesting thing about not knowing
Speaker 1: what's there. Some people think Bigfoot is a real human entity,
Speaker 1: I mean not human, but at real entity. Some people
Speaker 1: think he's a metaphysical thing that comes in and out
Speaker 1: of portals and shit, I mean back to energies and
Speaker 1: lay lines and things like that. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: mysteries in this world that it's kind of weird that
Speaker 1: like seems like more like the evil people want to
Speaker 1: tap a little more into him. But it's nice to
Speaker 1: know there's good intention people out there too, trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what the hell these things are.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a lot of interest from our three
Speaker 2: letter agencies, military industrial complex in the quote unquote phenomena.
Speaker 2: My friend Ryan Burns who has the space Wolf research
Speaker 2: next to Skinwalker Ranch, these people come out there, four
Speaker 2: star generals and people involved with the aerospace companies and
Speaker 2: the military, and they basically throw money at him. But
Speaker 2: it's the strangest thing. Yes, they're doing science experiments, but
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys are doing rituals out there,
Speaker 2: and they're doing magic and they're trying to summon things.
Speaker 2: And traditional UFO lore has nothing to do with ritual
Speaker 2: magic or summering things. It's little green men coming on
Speaker 2: tim cans from different galaxies and probing our assholes. But
Speaker 2: there's something much more going on to it with it,
Speaker 2: and I think at some high levels they do understand
Speaker 2: that there is something more going on with it, and
Speaker 2: there seems to be a game being played at higher levels,
Speaker 2: which I don't really understand exactly how it's all put
Speaker 2: together yet. Because we have the congressional whistleblowers who are
Speaker 2: portraying one understanding of things which coincides with a threat
Speaker 2: from outer space. And then we have these deeper level
Speaker 2: people like the Collins, E. Leade and others involved at
Speaker 2: the high level in the Pentagon, who were saying that
Speaker 2: it's demonic forces that we shouldn't be trusting it. So,
Speaker 2: in my perspective, the answer somewhere in between all that.
Speaker 2: I just there's a huge space in between to explore.
Speaker 2: So it's almost impossible to understand right now. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I think that we're getting to a point where it's
Speaker 2: gonna be harder and harder for them to obfuscate the
Speaker 2: fact that there is something metaphysical beyond green men coming
Speaker 2: from planets involved with all of this.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of of all the above,
Speaker 1: you know, is they want you to go into this
Speaker 1: like binary idea of like, okay, you know, you believe
Speaker 1: this isn't a flat Earth around Earth debate. But it's
Speaker 1: also it's like they want you to believe that there's
Speaker 1: little green men from millions of light years away, you know,
Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, there's that space travel side of it,
Speaker 1: why the hell would they come to Earth? But then
Speaker 1: there's also this other idea of like, no, they're already here, man,
Speaker 1: Like what if they're in the oceans, and what if
Speaker 1: they're and blah blah blah, And like I think there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of truth in all these things. What
Speaker 1: if some of these things, Yeah, I can transcend time
Speaker 1: and space itself, and we don't even know whether it's
Speaker 1: like what if, say, hypothetically demons and aliens both exist
Speaker 1: and they both have a little bit of the same powers,
Speaker 1: so we're kind of like misconstrue in one for the other.
Speaker 1: You kind of see where I'm going with that binary
Speaker 1: Or it's like some people say, oh, aliens are demons,
Speaker 1: and other people are like Independence Day, ready to welcome
Speaker 1: the aliens, and then they get blasted on the rooftop.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am at a point where I am a
Speaker 2: cautious observer, but I'm not gonna go into anything with
Speaker 2: fear because from my own experiences, fear is fuel for
Speaker 2: whatever the negative entities are, and I'm not even sure
Speaker 2: that they're truly negative in a sense. We'll get to
Speaker 2: that a little later, because there's a big there is
Speaker 2: a huge ocean of possibilities with this that I'd like
Speaker 2: to explore. But when it comes to the the phenomena
Speaker 2: of say UFO abductions that have people have traditionally experienced
Speaker 2: the gray beings and being taken on craft having genetic
Speaker 2: experiments done to them. And this is something that started
Speaker 2: out with you can say, around the forties and fifties,
Speaker 2: and then they had the Betty and Barney Hill case.
Speaker 2: But it was all being slowly dripped into the consciousness
Speaker 2: through what we saw on the television and media, and
Speaker 2: through books that were coming out through these early experiences.
Speaker 1: World War two beyond Yeah Rocket.
Speaker 2: Then we have the book Communion, which I remember when
Speaker 2: I was a kid, I saw the alien gray face
Speaker 2: on that thing, and it stuck with me. It was
Speaker 2: so powerful that I had nightmares about that thing. But
Speaker 2: these kept building in the collective consciousness, and then we
Speaker 2: have people who start regularly experiencing this and it just
Speaker 2: became a phenomenon that people accepted as this is what's happening.
Speaker 2: And then later on you get into the past life
Speaker 2: regressions and hypnotism, and they're bringing spirituality into the UFO
Speaker 2: fields and people start to realize when they're being regressed, oh,
Speaker 2: this isn't exactly what happened. It happened a different way,
Speaker 2: and you start connecting it more with altered states of
Speaker 2: consciousness and the way that the interactions go with these beings.
Speaker 2: It seems like they have the ability to control our perception,
Speaker 2: to completely control our reality and change it. And it
Speaker 2: kept progressing to where now we have two different kind
Speaker 2: of experiences that people have. We have the negative abductions,
Speaker 2: and then we have these positive experiences where angelic celestial
Speaker 2: beings will not necessarily abduct people but come to them
Speaker 2: in their dreams, or it'll be a nice, benevolent, beautiful
Speaker 2: experience where they are given information about the planet or themselves,
Speaker 2: but it's or they're healed in some way. And then
Speaker 2: you have the other abduction, the negative experiences. But in
Speaker 2: our modern negative abduction experiences, people report military personnel often
Speaker 2: being involved with this. This is a huge right flag
Speaker 2: because it comes up quite often with the more negative
Speaker 2: cases that there are humans involved with this. So the
Speaker 2: level of deception can go pretty deep, and it's pretty
Speaker 2: difficult to navigate through the phenomena as it stands right.
Speaker 1: Now, dude, And oh my god, there's a lot to
Speaker 1: unpacked there. But just towards that last part, you just
Speaker 1: got my brain really going on, like the idea of
Speaker 1: the three letter agencies, the men in black situations like that,
Speaker 1: the ones that where, you know, most a lot of
Speaker 1: modern cases or even in the past couple decades or
Speaker 1: however long you'll hear these people say that, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: right after I saw this thing, these guys showed up,
Speaker 1: not the alien guys, these dudes in black suburbans or
Speaker 1: black cadillacs or whatever, you know, and this men in
Speaker 1: black type scenario, and then it really gives you this
Speaker 1: like opening a Pandora's box kind of idea of like, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, are these guys waiting and tracking these
Speaker 1: things that are happening on a radar or something or
Speaker 1: in a pulse wave system or whatever these things these
Speaker 1: aliens are you know, traveling with Are they aware? It's
Speaker 1: almost like, you know, like a shooting situation. And then
Speaker 1: the FBI comes out and says, yeah, he was on
Speaker 1: our radar, Like oh, you knew beforehand, you allowed it
Speaker 1: to happen, or are these guys like tracking it and
Speaker 1: they're just a little too slow. And then there's like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's a situation. Let's talk to the people now, like
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts.
Speaker 2: On that there's a similar thing that happens with like
Speaker 2: bigfoot cases and people who come into contact with things
Speaker 2: like dog men. There are these agents or wildlife agents,
Speaker 2: are some official that shows up within minutes of the
Speaker 2: incident and explains to you what you really saw and
Speaker 2: how you shouldn't talk about anything. And this is reported
Speaker 2: all the time. But it goes deeper too, because I
Speaker 2: think that like you're saying, is there's some kind of
Speaker 2: notification system. I think there are people that are deeply
Speaker 2: involved with the phenomenon itself, meaning I'm talking agent smith
Speaker 2: matrix type stuff. That there there may be non human
Speaker 2: humans that just look like you and me that can
Speaker 2: come in and adjust things. They're the hammers, They're like
Speaker 2: the adjustment bureau, like the Dark City.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fucking clean up guy on pulp fiction and
Speaker 1: the wolf or whatever. Yeah, exactly, yes, man.
Speaker 2: So this again points to simulated reality, matrix reality. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but going back to the Bigfoot and for
Speaker 2: one one cases. So, I've had a few guests recently,
Speaker 2: some of them claim to be able to speak with
Speaker 2: other entities. I had one who is just a magical
Speaker 2: practitioner who understands a lot of metaphysical concepts, and I
Speaker 2: had a couple that are bigfoot researchers. So the common
Speaker 2: thread between all those guests is they claimed not in
Speaker 2: exactly the same way, but they claim that there is
Speaker 2: some sort of human hunting license against a human hunting
Speaker 2: license that etheric, elemental, bigfoots, fairies, these beings have license
Speaker 2: to take someone if they wander too far off a
Speaker 2: certain path, if they are disrespectful in national forests, if
Speaker 2: they take things that they're not supposed to take.
Speaker 1: It's like predator movies. Dude, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: But there is a class of beings that are predatory
Speaker 2: that are kind of etheric. They are what you would
Speaker 2: call elementals or fairies, and they're in the same kind
Speaker 2: of classification as bigfoot, according to all these researchers that
Speaker 2: I've recently spoken with, and they have license to take people.
Speaker 2: And there's apparently some sort of disagreement amongst the institties
Speaker 2: if there should even be doing that. There's ones that
Speaker 2: disagree with it. There are some that think we're food
Speaker 2: and delicious, so crazy stuff out there. But I do
Speaker 2: think that there are any time we are entering into
Speaker 2: a national forest or wildlife area, there are unseen intelligences everywhere.
Speaker 2: And I've gotten hitchhikers come home with me from camping
Speaker 2: trips and other areas that I've gone to that will
Speaker 2: manifest in your home as poltergeist or hauntings or extremely
Speaker 2: negative energy.
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild, kind of creepy, man. Well, a lot
Speaker 1: of these people, even if they're not into these kind
Speaker 1: of subjects, you know, these you know whatever, just families
Speaker 1: on vacation, like I was alluding to earlier, kind of deal,
Speaker 1: they'll go and they'll say there's this magic to these
Speaker 1: places when they go to these these you know, national
Speaker 1: parks and kind of what I was alluding to earlier
Speaker 1: of like Teddy Roosevelt in the National park system and
Speaker 1: everything being this big hunter. And then we heard all
Speaker 1: these stories from eighteen hundreds of different things of you know,
Speaker 1: giants and this and that and trolls and whatever else
Speaker 1: you could think of that we're in newspaper articles and stuff,
Speaker 1: whether it was true or not. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like you get into the idea of like what you're saying,
Speaker 1: almost a hunting pass for humans if they trespass too deep.
Speaker 1: And because people don't realize national parks, most people barely
Speaker 1: go into them. They're drastically bigger than where most people
Speaker 1: really venture into and they warn you about that, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, what the fuck is hiding in there? Man,
Speaker 1: Like it could be a little bit of everything. It's
Speaker 1: a big it's a buffet, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But Sasquatch is still kind of an enigma
Speaker 2: to me because they've had so many physical aspects that
Speaker 2: have been reported over the years, even a little bit
Speaker 2: of physical evidence here and there, the footprints, the hair.
Speaker 2: I've heard a couple of people and say they found
Speaker 2: bigfootshit somewhere. So really there is that aspect that I
Speaker 2: wonder how physical these beings are. But there is also
Speaker 2: have you heard of the gifting fields?
Speaker 3: The gifting fields though maybe not go ahead, and there
Speaker 3: are there are these uh, very powerful three letter agency
Speaker 3: groups and they're not officially like a group, but they
Speaker 3: have different individuals like from the CIA, FBI that get together,
Speaker 3: call them the.
Speaker 2: Invisible College, but they are specifically looking into UFOs, but
Speaker 2: they know that there's something more, something more cult driven
Speaker 2: behind it. Well, these these groups apparently can go to
Speaker 2: this area. Diana Posolka wrote about it that oka metamterials
Speaker 2: meta materials just appear for them. So they go out
Speaker 2: to this area and they are gifted these strange things.
Speaker 2: But they look like regular objects that we'd have here,
Speaker 2: like rocks or blades of grass, but their their makeup
Speaker 2: is different. There's whatever whenever you analyze it in a lab,
Speaker 2: different isotopes, all that, and it's not a natural object.
Speaker 1: Interesting, well, they have.
Speaker 2: The ability, from what I understand, to manifest anything, not
Speaker 2: only that whole areas. That's why people who are abducted,
Speaker 2: they say they look up and they see a ship
Speaker 2: in the air, and then next second they're on it.
Speaker 2: But it's like a city, and they could you know,
Speaker 2: it's way bigger than they've ever seen it. So there's
Speaker 2: that aspect of it manipulation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also I wonder how much whatever these things are can
Speaker 2: take physical form if they want to. If they can
Speaker 2: manifest objects into our reality, I'm sure they can also
Speaker 2: manifest other different forms that they would like to see.
Speaker 2: Maybe a sasquatch is something like that. But talking about
Speaker 2: the manifestation of objects, I had Nathaniel Gillison the other day,
Speaker 2: and he's a demonologist, but he is looking way deeper
Speaker 2: into than most people do, and he's connecting with uithology
Speaker 2: and things like that. But he was talking about cases
Speaker 2: of hornted houses where objects would materialize that the family
Speaker 2: didn't have, and in one case the homeowner got so
Speaker 2: angry and threw it and broke it, and it remateialized
Speaker 2: in the same place. They'd take these objects to a
Speaker 2: laboratory and have them analyzed, and like I said, they'd
Speaker 2: have different isotopes than say, one of the objects was
Speaker 2: a tea cup from a set that the family had lost,
Speaker 2: and it reappeared one day, and they had a bunch
Speaker 2: of strange circumstances surrounding that tea cup. So they brought
Speaker 2: it to a lab, had it analyzed, had the other
Speaker 2: cups in that set analyzed, and it was a completely
Speaker 2: different makeup than the other cups, meaning that whatever the
Speaker 2: phenomena had created this and he believes somehow it was
Speaker 2: anchored to it. He also cited some extreme possession cases
Speaker 2: where people would throw up objects that they'd ever swallow,
Speaker 2: just manifest objects and things like that. So, yeah, there's
Speaker 2: that capability. And if it has a capability to just
Speaker 2: create things, create reality, what does that Where are the
Speaker 2: implications of that?
Speaker 1: What is that right, Well, that gets into like the
Speaker 1: weird ghosts and like haunting possession stories and stuff too,
Speaker 1: of like people that just start like like throwing up
Speaker 1: flies and things like that where you're like you didn't
Speaker 1: eat the fly, Like where the hell did that fly
Speaker 1: just come from? Like like you're talking about, it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's being created, whether it's a real item or not,
Speaker 1: it's there at the moment and it's like what is that?
Speaker 1: You know, and you get me thinking like almost like
Speaker 1: it's a SIMS video game or something like the virtual
Speaker 1: reality or are.
Speaker 2: You familiar with Danny Gohler and the DMT experiments.
Speaker 1: I've heard of him. Yeah, But what I was gonna
Speaker 1: say is just the idea of like you buy this
Speaker 1: little item and then it wasn't there a second ago,
Speaker 1: and now you can place it in your house on SIMS,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like or even the idea of
Speaker 1: like fake steak. You know, it's like Bill Gates and
Speaker 1: his process meat. It looks real, but it's not the
Speaker 1: same thing, Like it's it's this weird like it's crazy, man,
Speaker 1: Like the idea of also like Oiji boards, people can't
Speaker 1: get rid of certain ones where it's an interesting thought
Speaker 1: when you go into Target or Walmart and it's just
Speaker 1: a Milton Bradley or whoever the fuck makes it. But
Speaker 1: it's just you know, a board game sitting on the shelf.
Speaker 1: It's cardboard. But until the intention is put into it,
Speaker 1: until you manifest, you push power and energies into it,
Speaker 1: good or bad energies. It's this weird idea of like,
Speaker 1: you know, we've heard a million stories of somebody that said, oh,
Speaker 1: me and my friends dicking around one night smoking weed
Speaker 1: and we're playing with Wigi board. And then I tried
Speaker 1: to throw it away a couple of weeks later because
Speaker 1: weird stuff was happening. It kept showing back up at
Speaker 1: my house. And it's the same kind of thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: there's shit outside of our realm of possibilities that are
Speaker 1: equally terrifying. But I wonder, like where's the good ones? Man?
Speaker 1: Like we were kind of alluding to earlier about like
Speaker 1: alien you know, stuff like let's get into some good
Speaker 1: Like is there been any situations where I guess, I
Speaker 1: don't know, just coming in So there's tons of saved
Speaker 1: a battle or a war, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, well, there's tons of reports of you know,
Speaker 2: quote unquote good contact with entities. I've had my own
Speaker 2: very insane experiences, both good and bad. But yes, all right,
Speaker 2: so well, good experience is going to take the rest
Speaker 2: of the evening. But go for it, all right, Well,
Speaker 2: I'll have to, I'll have to preface it with with
Speaker 2: the bad. So it just works like that. So this
Speaker 2: was whenever I was having very powerful mushroom explorations. I
Speaker 2: started growing mushrooms a while back. I don't anymore, but
Speaker 2: this was for a period of about I don't know,
Speaker 2: three years, I grew mushrooms and I would take monthly
Speaker 2: very powerful, high dose journeys because I was trying to
Speaker 2: figure out the secrets of the universe. I was trying
Speaker 2: to get in contact with things, and I didn't I
Speaker 2: wasn't careless when I did I had. I had a
Speaker 2: very rigid spiritual foundation, and I would go in with protection.
Speaker 2: I was very respectful every time i'd do it, and
Speaker 2: the experiences were so profound. But this one experience I
Speaker 2: had was I don't know, about three years ago, and
Speaker 2: I no longer utilize the mushrooms anymore. I think I
Speaker 2: got everything I needed out of them, but just to
Speaker 2: throw that in there. This experience is with it with
Speaker 2: an ex girlfriend that I had, and uh, she had
Speaker 2: never done mushrooms and she was kind of shady, but
Speaker 2: I didn't see it at the time. My friends did,
Speaker 2: but no, no, I was and I was kind of
Speaker 2: blind to everything. So I dozed her. She had never
Speaker 2: done it before, and I had very powerful mushrooms at
Speaker 2: the time, and I was in it, you know, I
Speaker 2: was feeling everything, and she's like, no, I don't feel nothing.
Speaker 2: So two or three hours go by and I give her.
Speaker 2: I ended up giving her like five grams and she claimed,
Speaker 2: oh shit, she didn't feel nothing. And I was like, what,
Speaker 2: this is weird. But I understand there are people out
Speaker 2: there that they can't connect with that or if they're
Speaker 2: taking some kind of SSRIs, it has a blocker, so whatever.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, well, I guess it doesn't
Speaker 2: work for you. So she was she's also a psychic
Speaker 2: and healer, so she's like, let's do a regression on
Speaker 2: you and try to do some you know, healing, some
Speaker 2: childhood trauma. And I was stupid, so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's go for it. So we do the experience, and
Speaker 2: from what I remember, it went well. It wasn't There
Speaker 2: wasn't anything strange with that. But afterwards, and I'll preface
Speaker 2: this with all my mushroom experiences until this experience, never
Speaker 2: had I had hallucinations like I couldn't tell that this
Speaker 2: is not reality anymore. Never was it so all encompassing.
Speaker 2: But what happened was I'm talking with her, and whatever
Speaker 2: she's saying, it's kind of sounding weird to me, and
Speaker 2: I look up at her and it is what I heard.
Speaker 2: So she said, so I found you a while back,
Speaker 2: and I attached myself and I led you to where
Speaker 2: you need to be. And now I think you don't
Speaker 2: love you don't love me anymore. And when she said that,
Speaker 2: I should you not, dude, she shape shifted into a
Speaker 2: reptile and she had big yellow teeth, and she even
Speaker 2: grew a couple of feet. She was like six foot tall,
Speaker 2: still wearing my ex's nightgown. And I was like, what
Speaker 2: I'm out. I took off running. I didn't know what
Speaker 2: the hell's going on. I run to my basement. I
Speaker 2: hear like stomping behind me. I look behind me, there's
Speaker 2: a six foot tall lizard running after me. Dude, I
Speaker 2: lock myself in my basement. Thoughts going through my head like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm dead. I overdose. I'm the first overdose on mushrooms.
Speaker 2: I'm in hell. I don't know, I'm in a different dimension.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is going on? As I'm thinking that,
Speaker 2: my whole house turns into like a dungeon. It changes.
Speaker 2: I'm in this like dungeon. I look out the window.
Speaker 2: There's blood red sky bars on the windows. I am
Speaker 2: absolutely freaking out. I was like, I have to be dead.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. Somehow I managed to
Speaker 2: sneak back upstairs without seeing the lizard, and the only
Speaker 2: thing I can think to do is jump in the
Speaker 2: tub and start praying. So I turn on the shower
Speaker 2: and I'm like before I could even finish saying God, like,
Speaker 2: I got this huge, like rumble from within my stomach
Speaker 2: and I puked up this black, viscous goo is all
Speaker 2: I can describe it as. And everything just snapped back
Speaker 2: to normal. But it felt like I had this like
Speaker 2: beautiful benevolent presence in the room. I couldn't see anything,
Speaker 2: but I felt like this powerful, beautiful, benevolent presence there
Speaker 2: with me, and like everything was okay and I knew.
Speaker 2: I just knew everything was okay. Whatever that was is gone.
Speaker 2: And I opened my door and my ex is sitting
Speaker 2: on the bed and she's like, what happened? And I like,
Speaker 2: at the moment, I'm like, I don't want to talk
Speaker 2: about it. I went and grabbed a fucking bottle of
Speaker 2: wine and down the whole thing and passed out. But
Speaker 2: this is where everything comes together and we can understand
Speaker 2: the story. The next the next few days and weeks,
Speaker 2: I started to see a side of her that was
Speaker 2: very different, very cold, maybe you could say reptilian side, and.
Speaker 1: You open the veil, it's almost like she took over
Speaker 1: the trip, you know, is that you started.
Speaker 2: Yes, money and all kind of stuff, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: the mushroom was trying to show me you what you are,
Speaker 2: and then she woke it off. Yes, bro. So that
Speaker 2: was my first like really powerful metaphysical experience with psychedelics
Speaker 2: that really connected into this this realm and how things
Speaker 2: work synchronistically and you know what, there's something else behind
Speaker 2: our reality. That's the first time. Now this is the
Speaker 2: benevolent story. You know, that one kind of ended benevolent,
Speaker 2: But this is the one where I found JC again
Speaker 2: and it's pretty wild. But I remember this was a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. It was actually the last time
Speaker 2: I really did mushrooms in a spiritual setting and trying
Speaker 2: with intention and things like that. So my now wife,
Speaker 2: who's best friend, love of my life, we were together
Speaker 2: at this time, we had just gotten married recently, and
Speaker 2: she's like, well, let's go to a metaphysical fair. You
Speaker 2: enjoy those. I'm like, yeah, sure, let's go. And then
Speaker 2: when we're on the way, I started to feel just
Speaker 2: this feeling like something's wrong, something bad's going to happen today,
Speaker 2: something wrong. So we get to the fair and it's
Speaker 2: just overtaking me. I'm like all anxious and nervous. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck's going on. We go up to this
Speaker 2: booth where this lady's taken Aura photography and she takes
Speaker 2: my picture and she was supposed she talks about what
Speaker 2: she sees in the colors, and we had one of
Speaker 2: my friends with us. His name's Corey, and he is
Speaker 2: not a spiritual person. He came just to make fun
Speaker 2: of everybody. And one of those guys, okay, so he
Speaker 2: comes running up and he's like, oh, what does it say?
Speaker 2: It says he's going to be rich, and the Lady's like, no,
Speaker 2: it says he has too many beliefs and he's not
Speaker 2: centered in anything. It was very interesting. I was like,
Speaker 2: I do have a lot. I don't. I don't really
Speaker 2: have any like, you know, concrete spiritual beliefs. I have
Speaker 2: all these considerations, but I don't have any faith or
Speaker 2: hope or you know, knowledge in anything. Nothing I can
Speaker 2: lean on like that. Now. I did grow up Catholic,
Speaker 2: but the dogma behind it scared me away at checked
Speaker 2: out of it. But so this lady tells me that,
Speaker 2: and then my kind, my whole world falls apart, Like
Speaker 2: I'm going through this existential crisis and this gut feeling
Speaker 2: is getting worse, and I'm like, what the fuck is
Speaker 2: going on? So this was actually going to be the
Speaker 2: same night that I went in and took mushrooms and
Speaker 2: did my monthly med meditative journey, and so I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe I can figure it out. Maybe I'll figure it
Speaker 2: out going in tonight and get a little guidance. So
Speaker 2: I dosed and I went in and normally I make
Speaker 2: contact with my guides. What I understand is my guides,
Speaker 2: and they start talking I mean, you know, give me
Speaker 2: a little guidance on things that I'm looking for and
Speaker 2: things like that. And this time, all they you can
Speaker 2: figure this one out on your own. We gotta go
Speaker 2: and we will talk later. And I was just like fresh.
Speaker 2: I was like what I got like five hours of
Speaker 2: what the hell am I supposed to do now? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly, I'm buckled in.
Speaker 2: I was ready to do some healing, man, and then no,
Speaker 2: So they're like, you know, just find something to entertain
Speaker 2: yourself with. I'm like, oh God. So I go and
Speaker 2: our friend is still there, Corey, the guy who was
Speaker 2: you know, he's not spiritual at all, doesn't never says
Speaker 2: anything really deeply philosophical, but this night was a little different.
Speaker 2: And I'll get to that. So he's over there and
Speaker 2: I'm wigging balls and I'm just like, look, I was
Speaker 2: going to do some meditation, but something happened. Can't do it.
Speaker 2: So you want to watch TV? He's like, yeah, let's
Speaker 2: go on. Sitting there, I can't watch it, Like I'm
Speaker 2: just my mind is just blab and it's it's not
Speaker 2: good because I still have that anxious feeling like something
Speaker 2: bad is going to happen. And so I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: let's go outside. We go outside and talk, and as
Speaker 2: we're talking, this bubble, like a cartoon bubble farms around
Speaker 2: my head and I can see my past lives and
Speaker 2: it's like thousands and thousands of them. But guess what,
Speaker 2: it's not different past. It's this life. It's me doing
Speaker 2: this shit over and over and over again. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: what this does that mean? And I was telling him,
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's I live so many lives and he
Speaker 2: knows I'm dripping. He's just you know, normally he's just
Speaker 2: says stupid shit. But this time, what I'll say is
Speaker 2: something took over my perception and spoke through him, because
Speaker 2: the next day I asked him about if he said
Speaker 2: any of that, and he was like, fucking does that
Speaker 2: sound like it's something I would say? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: you're right. So as I'm telling him this, he looks
Speaker 2: at me very stoic and serious, and he just doesn't
Speaker 2: even look like himself, and he's like, yeah, but doesn't
Speaker 2: it get refined with every lifetime? And I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the bubble and I'm seeing it and I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, it's better this time it's better than
Speaker 2: the last one. He's like, all right, so he just
Speaker 2: he starts I don't know, these all these realizations about myself,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why, I started to get angry at
Speaker 2: everybody in the world for not coming to the realization
Speaker 2: that we're, you know, there's in a corrupt system and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Groundhog Day. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I got started to get mad at the world
Speaker 2: for not understanding these things. And I was telling him
Speaker 2: how my frustrations with it, and he said, well, at
Speaker 2: some point, it's a reflection of yourself. And again, this
Speaker 2: dude would have never said that. I just and that's
Speaker 2: when my world fell, fell apart and absolutely melted. I
Speaker 2: don't know what triggered, like how that triggered what happened next,
Speaker 2: but it did. So what happened next is I got
Speaker 2: this knowing. It's just a knowing that came over me,
Speaker 2: and like the voices were telling me, you're dead. You
Speaker 2: just died. It's like, what I died. And I'm looking around.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know.
Speaker 2: Everything is still, and Corey's just sitting there staring at me,
Speaker 2: and it's it's no longer Corey. He's not He's just
Speaker 2: sitting there staring at me, and I'm like, I look
Speaker 2: at him. I said I died. He's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Did you die? I'm like, what the fuck? And I said,
Speaker 2: what's going on here? Am I just tripping? What's going on?
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know. You need to know what
Speaker 2: is going on here. I'm like, what the fuck? What
Speaker 2: is wrong with you? And then I said, can I
Speaker 2: go back to where I was? Let me just go back.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, but you got to start over from
Speaker 2: the beginning, man, and that I just started freaking out.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck. He leaves the room and
Speaker 2: I'm like chasing him. By the time he gets downstairs,
Speaker 2: he's back to normal and he's like, dude, I think
Speaker 2: you're freaking out a little bit. We need to go
Speaker 2: watch some TV. You need to calm down. I don't
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. And I'm like, okay, maybe
Speaker 2: that's over. I don't know. So we go sit and
Speaker 2: I shit, you not. This demon face like bursts out
Speaker 2: of the TV. And that's when I knew shit's not right.
Speaker 2: I look over at Corey and he looks like a corpse.
Speaker 2: He's dead. He's like dead, and he's like, just watch
Speaker 2: the TV man. That's all you gotta do. I went
Speaker 2: run back to my fiance. Well she was my fiance
Speaker 2: at the time, that's right. So I went run back
Speaker 2: and she looked the same way. She looked dead and
Speaker 2: like she's yelling these things that she would never say
Speaker 2: to me. And it's crazy. Once again, my whole reality
Speaker 2: had been taken over.
Speaker 1: Well what he said, You're on the other side almost,
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, so continue. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I walk outside and everything is pitch black, there's
Speaker 2: no street lights on. I'm like, literally in a different realm.
Speaker 2: It's the only way I can describe it. So I'm
Speaker 2: I go for I'm like, all right, maybe I did die.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go find God and talk to him and
Speaker 2: find out what's going Yeah. No, And I didn't know
Speaker 2: when I have a legit life review walking down like
Speaker 2: my whole life is flashing before my eyes. Yes. So
Speaker 2: I get to the end of the street and I don't, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know where I need to go to find God.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll find the devil and I'll just tell him
Speaker 2: what a piece of shit he is. I don't know.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm gonna go this way, and I
Speaker 2: turn right, and then there's a crossroad so you can
Speaker 2: go forward, and the street lights are beautiful and lit up,
Speaker 2: and it seems like a very good way to go.
Speaker 2: Or I could take her right and it's pretty dark
Speaker 2: and dingy, so I'm like, I'm gonna go forward. As
Speaker 2: soon as I got under that first street light, it explodes.
Speaker 2: Dude's gone. I was like, all right, so that's a
Speaker 2: sign I shouldn't go. So I took the other route
Speaker 2: and I'm walking for I don't know how long. There's
Speaker 2: no one outside, there's nothing. It's just like darkness and endless, endless,
Speaker 2: and I'm walking on but the houses are there. All
Speaker 2: the houses are there. There's no street lights on or anything.
Speaker 2: I just lied. I'm like, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 2: to surrender. I just laid down and I said, either
Speaker 2: take me to have it or take me to hell.
Speaker 2: I'm giving up. I'm done. I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 2: And that's when this voice came over and I look
Speaker 2: at the sky and the voice comes over. He's like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's all about your perception, even in the afterlife,
Speaker 2: and I thought that was very interesting. So I sat
Speaker 2: up and the voice said, look around, find the light,
Speaker 2: but close your eyes, Like, yeah, I look around, find light,
Speaker 2: but you have to close your eyes when you do it.
Speaker 2: So I did, and I see a light in my
Speaker 2: mind's eye like us in the distance. I also see
Speaker 2: like demon's heads on the side and like everywhere else
Speaker 2: see a light. So I start walking towards it down
Speaker 2: the street. All of a sudden, I enter a neighborhood
Speaker 2: where the street lights are on, and I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: this must be the right place. I see. All these
Speaker 2: street lights are kind of dim there on looks not
Speaker 2: really inviting though. I see one house though, at the end,
Speaker 2: and it's so brightly lit, got a big porch swing
Speaker 2: and a welcome sign that covers like half the front
Speaker 2: of the damn house.
Speaker 1: It looked like.
Speaker 2: So I was like, that's the one, and I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just gonna go have to knock
Speaker 2: on the door and see what happens, because something was
Speaker 2: just telling me to go to someone's house and the
Speaker 2: knock on the door, I was like, either they're gonna
Speaker 2: bring me to your life police, which is definitely hell,
Speaker 2: because you know, the pig's got to be hell.
Speaker 1: So yeah, right, so this is what it's going through.
Speaker 2: BBI at the time, and I'm like, or I could
Speaker 2: knock on the door and it'll be an angel and
Speaker 2: you'll take me to heaven. So I said, fuck it.
Speaker 2: I go knock on the door and this beautiful blond
Speaker 2: haired lady answers, and I think this is like nine
Speaker 2: ten at night, and she's like, can I help you?
Speaker 2: And I'm sure she could see my eyes just blown.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, is this where I'm supposed to be?
Speaker 2: And she said, oh, hold on second. She closed the door.
Speaker 2: Two minutes later, this big, burly dude, like just exuding
Speaker 2: positive energy comes out and he's like, hey, son, how
Speaker 2: can I help you? You okay? And I said I
Speaker 2: think I died, sir. He's like oh, He's like, well,
Speaker 2: shake my hand. I shook his hand and he's like
Speaker 2: he's like, no, you're not dead. You're here. It's like,
Speaker 2: could anything else have happened? I said, yeah, I ate
Speaker 2: a bunch of mushrooms, but I don't think that's it.
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, all right. So he's like, would you
Speaker 2: like to go home? And I'm thinking I'm dead. I'm
Speaker 2: like in the afterlife, how am I going to get home?
Speaker 2: Or I'm in some other realm, you know how. I
Speaker 2: was like, how are we gonna get Are you gonna
Speaker 2: get me home? He's like, you know, my truck's right there,
Speaker 2: like your track. He's like, you.
Speaker 1: Can't drive through this.
Speaker 2: I said, give me your dress. He said, give your dress,
Speaker 2: I'll go home. And he said but before that, he said,
Speaker 2: would you like to pray with me? I said yes,
Speaker 2: and I like, in my mind, this is the angel,
Speaker 2: this is it, this the moment. So we got down
Speaker 2: and he starts praying. I'm crying the most beautiful moment,
Speaker 2: like I've had all night, of course, but like it
Speaker 2: was amazing. And then we get in the car and
Speaker 2: he drives me to my house and the whole time
Speaker 2: we're talking and you know, I don't really I'm still
Speaker 2: out of it. And he tells me what he did,
Speaker 2: but I didn't didn't register at the time. And we
Speaker 2: get to my house and I'm like, thank you so much, man,
Speaker 2: How do I get in there? Do? I? Am? I
Speaker 2: gonna wake up like in a coma at the hospital?
Speaker 2: What's happening? And he's like, no, just go knock on
Speaker 2: the door. Someone should answer. And I'm like, okay. So
Speaker 2: I just went up and I opened my door and
Speaker 2: there's my wife and my friend and they're worried as
Speaker 2: shit and they're normal, and they're like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: where did you go? And again, I grab a bottle
Speaker 2: of wine. No, I'm not talking about this tonight, right.
Speaker 1: He's one of the lord of the rings adventured dude.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, this isn't even the clincher of everything. So
Speaker 2: the next day I wake up and I'm shook. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what does all that mean? What the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 2: You do I have to go out and find Jesus
Speaker 2: and leave my life that I'm living behind and stop
Speaker 2: doing the show and stop talking.
Speaker 1: All these answers nine.
Speaker 2: So then I decide, I'm like, I gotta talk to this.
Speaker 2: I got talked to this dude that I met last night.
Speaker 2: So I just start driving and I drive directly to
Speaker 2: his house. I don't know how I got there, because
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember how I got there the night before,
Speaker 2: but I drove directly to it. And I get out
Speaker 2: and knock and his wife answers the door. It's the
Speaker 2: blonde haired lady. She's like, Chris, thank god you're okay,
Speaker 2: and she gives me a big hug.
Speaker 1: I thought she could say you again, and.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm not gonna say his name, but would
Speaker 2: you like to go see so and so he's a
Speaker 2: pastor and he's he's doing Master today Sunday. And I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess so I have to this is yeah, I gotta.
Speaker 1: Do this divine ship. Yes, yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: I went, and all the information started in as soon
Speaker 2: as I sat in that pew about like everything about
Speaker 2: everything I'd gone through, why I had been doing forbidden
Speaker 2: knowledge news, why like the path that I had been
Speaker 2: let on had me look around at the people that
Speaker 2: were the most beautiful, wonderful people in the world, but
Speaker 2: they had this dogma and fear because of the infiltration
Speaker 2: of negative forces into religion and Christianity itself. And it
Speaker 2: just all started coming to me that Jc's the answer,
Speaker 2: He's the truth, the Way, and the light. But everything
Speaker 2: else is a bunch of muddled nonsense, and there is
Speaker 2: some there is some things that are preventing Christians from
Speaker 2: having a good human experience. And it just all started
Speaker 2: coming to me. And I had a two hour talk
Speaker 2: with the preacher and it was just validation because everything
Speaker 2: I was telling him, he was like rejecting. It was like,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of afraid of and you could tell
Speaker 2: he was nervous talking to me about these kinds and
Speaker 2: you know, and telling them everything that I've been through,
Speaker 2: and I thanked him, and I you know, we we
Speaker 2: haven't really talked since then, but the revelations that have
Speaker 2: come in after that is pretty profound that you know,
Speaker 2: we have we're living multiple lifetimes here in this experience
Speaker 2: that when we're ready, we'll find that truthway in light
Speaker 2: and we'll zip on out of here. But yeah, man,
Speaker 2: that was my.
Speaker 1: That was it's all about experiences, though. It's all about
Speaker 1: the experiences, like we're there's too many that are sheltered
Speaker 1: and stuck in their little shells.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: And whether you don't have to have a d MT
Speaker 1: experience or mushrooms experience, I mean sometimes they can help
Speaker 1: and kind of fast forward it a little bit if
Speaker 1: you're willing to do it, like with the right intent,
Speaker 1: like we were talking about earlier, not just like hey, it's.
Speaker 4: College fucking I'm gonna take five grades of mushrooms and
Speaker 4: you see what happened Like that might not be a
Speaker 4: good idea for you then, you know, but if you
Speaker 4: go take three and mushrooms with a little bit of
Speaker 4: an attention and you've done it before, then you might
Speaker 4: actually like learn something from the process.
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of the problem that people to
Speaker 1: understand is like some of these stories can sound crazy,
Speaker 1: but they're so eye opening at the same time. Whether
Speaker 1: the other people around you know what you experienced or not,
Speaker 1: it's a one back to whether it's seeing UFOs like
Speaker 1: a picture behind you, you know, I want to believe
Speaker 1: whether it's bigfoot, like these one off experiences that we
Speaker 1: have personal things that happen sometimes that we can't explain
Speaker 1: with words. You just have to be there and the
Speaker 1: energy in the field of it and just experience it
Speaker 1: as an experience. And you try to tell your friends, oh,
Speaker 1: you got abducted by aliens or you got you saw
Speaker 1: bigfoot in the woods while you were hunting, they're gonna
Speaker 1: think you're crazy because they weren't there. But that's kind
Speaker 1: of the weirdness of this world is the more we
Speaker 1: think about shit in a weird way. Yeah, the more
Speaker 1: we think about it, we can manifest it. But as well,
Speaker 1: like the more you open your mind, the more you'll
Speaker 1: realize it. It's not as small narrow minded, whether it's
Speaker 1: religion or all the above. But dude, Chris, this is
Speaker 1: fucking epic. Dude, you just blew my mind on this
Speaker 1: last thirty minutes of both of those stories. Remind everybody
Speaker 1: where they can find you, man, and I would love
Speaker 1: to have back on again.
Speaker 2: Right o. Well, thanks again for having me. This was fun.
Speaker 2: Love to do it again. You can find all our
Speaker 2: content on our website Forbidden Knowledge dot News. We just
Speaker 2: got our big YouTube channel bag. They zapped us two
Speaker 2: years ago, had over thirty thousand subscribers and gave it
Speaker 2: back to us for some reason. I apparently they're given
Speaker 2: a bunch of people back their YouTube or now, yes,
Speaker 2: right now, but yeah, so go check that out. And
Speaker 2: we're also on Rumble, we're surviving member of Rock Fin
Speaker 2: and all podcast platforms. And also please watch my films.
Speaker 2: Doors of Perception is on Amazon Prime and Occult Louisiana
Speaker 2: is on to B.
Speaker 1: I watched the Cult Louisiana. I haven't seen Doors of
Speaker 1: Perception yet, but a plan to.
Speaker 2: Right on right on.
Speaker 1: Well, dude, Chris, this was a blast, man, Thank you again,
Speaker 1: and stid heads, thanks for tuning in. Guys. You know
Speaker 1: we've had a little bit of a roll of just
Speaker 1: kind of like TRIPLEI says, nothing but bangers for fucking
Speaker 1: guests lately, and we're gonna keep it going. And I
Speaker 1: got a bunch of bangers coming up as well. So yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: don't forget. We're right here putting the ass and classy.
Speaker 1: I'll see you next time. Sid heads, peace out.