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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Coustin New Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Get those Blue Jays out of town. Let's bring the

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<v Speaker 2>Cardinals back here. We can deal with them, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Danren. I thank very much, Dan Watkins,

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<v Speaker 2>as we head into our second hour here on a

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday night. So this is interesting, as I think most

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<v Speaker 2>of you know the Karen Reid trial, at least the

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<v Speaker 2>jury selection part of that trial is underway. The last

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<v Speaker 2>I heard, as of this morning, there were ten jurors

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<v Speaker 2>that had been selected. They need sixteen to impanel a jury.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be twelve jurors and then four alternates, and

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<v Speaker 2>they would not pick the alternates until left to the

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<v Speaker 2>case was submitted to the jury. But sorry. Story that

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<v Speaker 2>appeared yesterday in the Boston Globe Digital and we've had

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<v Speaker 2>this guest on before, the writer Beth Title before, but

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<v Speaker 2>she respectfully declined to join us for this one. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm beginning to wonder why. This is a really brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>article that she wrote, and I'm going to take it

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<v Speaker 2>a step further. The headline in the story was and again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a Karen Reid story, so remember that that's

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<v Speaker 2>always going to be interesting. Of the Beth title of

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<v Speaker 2>the Globe went looking to see if any Karen Reid

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<v Speaker 2>supporters had secretly flipped. Here's what happened next. The subtitle

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<v Speaker 2>is some former Karen Reid super fians secretly thinks she's

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<v Speaker 2>guilty and they're afraid. Basically, what that title is reporting,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to quote a little bit from her article,

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<v Speaker 2>but what she's essentially reporting is that some of the

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<v Speaker 2>emails that she received quoting out left me meaning t Tell,

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<v Speaker 2>feeling scared like I was hearing from people hiding from

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<v Speaker 2>the mob. One read, thank you for having the courage

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<v Speaker 2>to write about this. Another said I've only told people

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<v Speaker 2>in my close circle. Third worried, I'm a bit paranoid

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<v Speaker 2>about personal info like my cell phone getting leaked. Another

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<v Speaker 2>finally said be careful. The correspondents, according to Beth I Tell,

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<v Speaker 2>were people who had once firmly believed or in her words,

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<v Speaker 2>fervently believed in Karen Reid's innocence, and who almost more importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>had bonded with others in the trial group. Now some

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<v Speaker 2>have suggested that the Karen Reid supporters have become almost

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<v Speaker 2>cult like. That might be too strong, but that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They spent their days harding each other's social media posts.

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<v Speaker 2>Some had mustard outside the courthouse or on random road waves,

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<v Speaker 2>waving signs raised money for a defense fund, and they

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<v Speaker 2>wore pink. They bought the merch. According to t Tell,

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<v Speaker 2>their whole personalities had become Karen Reid. She goes on

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<v Speaker 2>to say that, you know, then maybe a new piece

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<v Speaker 2>of evidence of merge or they came to discuss their

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<v Speaker 2>source of pro read news. But what had seemed like

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<v Speaker 2>serious objective analysis allegedly proving Reid had been framed as

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<v Speaker 2>the defense allegers began to feel a little rabbit holing,

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<v Speaker 2>and according to Titel of The Globe, they changed their minds.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what now I'm going to quote be goingy

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<v Speaker 2>for other on the off change, she basically tells the story,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think everyone in this audience knows the story

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<v Speaker 2>of Karen Reid and the tragic death of her Boston

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<v Speaker 2>Police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe. She's been charged with second

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<v Speaker 2>degree murder, as well as manslaughter, vaculum homicide, and leaving

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<v Speaker 2>the sea of an accident and other crimes. That suggests,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the story that she might have backed into

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<v Speaker 2>the boyfriend. Anyway, we all know that the first trial

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<v Speaker 2>ended in a mistrial, and matter of fact, it's up

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<v Speaker 2>back up at the well, it's up at the US

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court. Her lawyers are still saying that the jury

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<v Speaker 2>who post trial told reporters and told the defense lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>that the jury had actually agreed on the first and

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<v Speaker 2>third charge that she was not guilty, although they had

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<v Speaker 2>never actually I guess formally filled out the jury slip

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<v Speaker 2>and submitted it to the clerk who handed it to

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<v Speaker 2>the judge. So t tell with this as a backdrop,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's become a huge national story. Titel writes, I

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<v Speaker 2>spent time interviewing her super fiens last year, and what

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<v Speaker 2>struck me as much as anything was the obviously camaraderie

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<v Speaker 2>they developed. They become members of an adult onset click,

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<v Speaker 2>brought together by a woman they didn't know but whose

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<v Speaker 2>life had become their cause. Many SKIP worker drove long

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<v Speaker 2>distances to protest and regularly described fellow Free Karen Readers

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<v Speaker 2>fkrs as their new best friends. Last Sunday, as it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a week ago, as the retrial poised

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<v Speaker 2>to start, I wondered what it would like to leave

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<v Speaker 2>this group, a bunch of former strangers who came together

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<v Speaker 2>and formed what has been called a cult. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she said, out of an abundance of let's say idiocy,

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<v Speaker 2>I took my question to the heart the Beast, Karen

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<v Speaker 2>Reid's support group on Facebook with nearly sixty thousand members.

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<v Speaker 2>If this is you and you'd like to talk anonymously,

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote, we can do that. According to I Tell,

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<v Speaker 2>The responses came in hot and heavy hundreds. As the

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<v Speaker 2>vitriol mounted, so did Beth admits her stress, and I

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<v Speaker 2>stepped away from my laptop. When I returned a few

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<v Speaker 2>hours laters, a few hours later, eight hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 2>three people had weighed in on my bias and poor

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<v Speaker 2>judgment skills and who knows what else. Because they decided

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want this much, hated my life and deleted

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<v Speaker 2>the post. But it didn't help. The conspiracy stoking blogger

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<v Speaker 2>who is credited in part with whipping up the global frenzy,

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<v Speaker 2>posted Beth I Tell Beth I Tell's Facebook post that

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<v Speaker 2>X and the abuse remained. Well, my question is, and

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<v Speaker 2>we invited Beth to come on tonight, but she declined. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>my question is she did find people who said I

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely started out thinking Karen Reid was framed, and now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm completely ashamed of myself that I almost fell for that.

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<v Speaker 2>One wrote, I've silently flipped and I believe she's guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Another said I didn't feel this way in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to a fundraiser and bought the sweatshirt. The

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<v Speaker 2>fear of being on the wrong side of your social

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<v Speaker 2>group goes both ways. It should be noted again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>quoting here from Beth i Tell's digital piece of the Globe,

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<v Speaker 2>even if in the Karen Reid case it's her supporters

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<v Speaker 2>who seemed more vocal and cleannish. Indeed, as emails from

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<v Speaker 2>former Karen Reid supporters kept arriving, a direct message popped

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<v Speaker 2>up in my Facebook. It was from someone who initially

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<v Speaker 2>thought Reid was guilty, but who then changed her mind

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<v Speaker 2>and now believe she was framed. But she and her

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<v Speaker 2>like mind that friends fear having their true feelings exposed

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<v Speaker 2>to members of the victims family, who also happens to

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<v Speaker 2>be neighbors. I'm part of a secret group who support

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<v Speaker 2>Karen Reid. It began. So here's my question, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>real simple is there anyone out there who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>express their strong opinions one way or the other on

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<v Speaker 2>the Karen Reid case. And even better, is there anyone

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<v Speaker 2>out there who has changed their opinion over the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years. Is there anyone out there who really

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<v Speaker 2>fervently believed that she was guilty and now believe the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite that she was innocent? Or or in the contrary,

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<v Speaker 2>is there anyone out there who believed she was innocent

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<v Speaker 2>and now after the first trial, believes she was guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the additional layer that I'd like to put

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<v Speaker 2>on top of this is this all of us. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>that during the presidential campaigns of twenty sixteen, twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty twenty four, you couldn't talk to anybody about

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<v Speaker 2>this who was a strong Hillary or Joe Biden or

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris supporter, or sometimes a strong Trump supporter. It

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<v Speaker 2>fractured families. Remember we used to talk about Thanksgiving dinner

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<v Speaker 2>and what it would be like sitting across the table

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<v Speaker 2>from relatives and discussing presidential politics. I want to know

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<v Speaker 2>if the Karen Reid case has generated similar dynamics within families.

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<v Speaker 2>The people within your family who believe she is either

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<v Speaker 2>guilty or innocent, or guilty or not guilty. Guilty or

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<v Speaker 2>innocent is different from guilty or not guilty. We've bought,

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<v Speaker 2>We've gone through that several times. So I think you

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<v Speaker 2>guys understand that and have either flipped their positions or

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<v Speaker 2>or are now not talking to other family members because

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<v Speaker 2>there's strong, so strong disagreement. Let's open it up here,

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to do a little bit of a social experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>We do not have Beth Titel with us, but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give her all the credit for the idea

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<v Speaker 2>for this hour, and I hope you're intrigued at as

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<v Speaker 2>about it as much as I am. Six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll open up these phone lines. We'll get as many

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<v Speaker 2>people in as possible between now and ten o'clock. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a guest coming in at well, I should have guessed,

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you I have a guest on the phone

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<v Speaker 2>at ten o'clock. For those of you who may be aware,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like ancestry websites as at other one ancestry

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<v Speaker 2>dot com there's probably others I'm unaware of, but twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three and ME has filed for bankruptcy, and many people

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<v Speaker 2>are worried that some of the personal data that they

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<v Speaker 2>and genetic information that they basically gave to the company

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<v Speaker 2>now in the bankruptcy proceeding might be sold a bought

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<v Speaker 2>by another company, and then what happens to that personal

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<v Speaker 2>information that maybe you thought would never see the light

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<v Speaker 2>of day six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Let's get

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<v Speaker 2>it going here on Night Side, and well, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have to take everything as life and death.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you strongly believe one way or the other,

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<v Speaker 2>or if you have family members who disagree with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and if it's caused some angst, I'd love to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from you as well. We'll be back on Nightside. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>keep it going here right away.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we got full line, so let's see what people

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<v Speaker 2>have to say. Again. The question is have you changed

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<v Speaker 2>your opinion? And whether you have, you haven't, that's okay, uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then have you had any strong disagreements within your family?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you've had political disagreements. Now, maybe some families are

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<v Speaker 2>all this way or all the other. I'm interested in

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<v Speaker 2>those who you You have a conversation with your aunt

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<v Speaker 2>or your uncle, or your brother or your sister or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and you realize, WHOA, they don't see this the same

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<v Speaker 2>way as I do. Let me go to Lola in California.

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<v Speaker 2>In San Diego, California. Lola, you are first this hour nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Dan. So I am an avid supporter of what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on, and what's going on is in a nutshell,

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<v Speaker 3>corruption across the whole country with different cases. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>on this website, on this Facebook page called Resistant to Silence,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is for Karen Reid and in this private group,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can join two point one k members. So

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<v Speaker 3>this girl wrote in the other day, hold on, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>scrolling down because I want to get it right.

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<v Speaker 2>To well, this is the group that supports believes Karen

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<v Speaker 2>Reid is innocent. Okay, just to make sure the audience

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<v Speaker 2>follows the bouncing ball, go ahead. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And so this girl saw her picture posted by the

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<v Speaker 3>Globe and she sent them a message. I'm scrolling down

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<v Speaker 3>to it, and she's like they took my picture from

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere without my permission and put it in the article.

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<v Speaker 3>It's right here. The girl's name is Renee Rose. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know her. When the photo of Dina and Rita

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<v Speaker 3>was switched out for a photo of Karen in myself exchanged,

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<v Speaker 3>I pressed on with the Boston Globe, please peel.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the problem. Here's the road we're going down. Lolo. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I know who you are. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who this person is. And if they're claiming that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a photograph that was mislabeled misidentified in the Globe,

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<v Speaker 2>she's got to take that up with the Globe or

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<v Speaker 3>So no, no, I'm just explaining to you. I know

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola. Yeah, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>Uh no, no, oh, I oh, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you are litigating. Okay, And as the judge here

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is, if you have a if Lola

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<v Speaker 2>to hear that. Okay, if you believe that, uh that,

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't trying to do that, Dan, I was what

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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to explain in my opinion, based on

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<v Speaker 2>That's it, Lola. Three strikes and you're out on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to go to your opinion. But if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I can hear it, Lola. I know the next

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm a lawyer. I'm smart enough to understand where

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<v Speaker 3>My opinion. I won't is we have to have the facts, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I'm not saying that this is what happened that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Lola, apre's the deal? Loa, Lola? Why don't you

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<v Speaker 2>just tell me what you believe. I know that you

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<v Speaker 2>fervently believe that she was framed. That's fine, no problem.

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<v Speaker 2>to say that. However, However, the purpose of my conversation

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<v Speaker 2>Does everyone in your circle of friends agree with you

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<v Speaker 3>then there's no groups separate. For the prosecution, the prosecuting

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask an an honest question, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>No, do you do standouts? You told me you do

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<v Speaker 3>I do, but I don't do I've done four standouts.

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<v Speaker 3>and I've only done it. Look, I've only done it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, fair enough, farre enough. Well, I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>as much time. Thanks Loa. Talk talk to you soon,

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<v Speaker 2>If you disagree, that's fine too. You have the number

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<v Speaker 2>six one, seven, nine, three, ten, thirty. That's the only

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's keep it rolling here, go to Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>and Bill Rick. Hey, Jonathan, how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 6>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing just great, Jonathan. Focus if you would for

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<v Speaker 2>me a little bit on the issue at hand, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is, do you feel the same way about the

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<v Speaker 2>trial today as you did, you know, a year or

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<v Speaker 2>two years ago, and and it do you have friends

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<v Speaker 2>with whom maybe your relationship has been adversely impacted because

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<v Speaker 2>you have a strong belief one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, So, I actually have my perception of the case,

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<v Speaker 7>or my opinion of the case has changed, I will say,

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<v Speaker 7>over the past year, year and a half or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, tell me what so.

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<v Speaker 7>I think just when I originally had heard the case

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<v Speaker 7>the information just you know, it seemed that there was

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<v Speaker 7>if you will, and then kind of as I dove

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<v Speaker 6>So so it's definitely changed.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's one of those things that I think, it's

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<v Speaker 7>almost like it's to your point about like politics, especially

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<v Speaker 7>in our area, it's one of those situations that you

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<v Speaker 7>almost like don't bring up because you don't even talk

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<v Speaker 7>In the environment definitely, but also in the work environment too.

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<v Speaker 7>It's one of those situations that people are very, very opinionated,

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<v Speaker 7>and you almost you know, don't want to bring it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So which which which way did you tread to

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<v Speaker 2>transform yourself? Did you go from feeling she was guilty

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<v Speaker 2>and now believe the opposite, or did you start off

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<v Speaker 2>with questions and now are more convinced of her guilt?

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<v Speaker 2>Which which which side of the fence did you go

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<v Speaker 7>So I kind of feel like it's it's in the middle.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel I went from feeling that she was completely

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<v Speaker 7>think I don't realize what happened, But that's just my opinion.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, it's one of those things that when

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<v Speaker 7>I talk to people and they get very heated on

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<v Speaker 7>I really have, you know, I you know, it's her life.

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<v Speaker 7>And unfortunately, I think the real horrible incident of this

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<v Speaker 7>whole situation obviously is the death of you know, John

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<v Speaker 7>O'Keefe and the fact that you know, he had his

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<v Speaker 7>for us all to have different opinions. And I have

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<v Speaker 7>to say, if I was ever in a case where

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<v Speaker 7>and you know that kind of stuff of how they

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<v Speaker 7>a different way. Unfortunately, I don't think that everyone. Everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>So you you went from feeling she's innocent to kind

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<v Speaker 7>I feel she has. I don't feel they should be

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<v Speaker 7>charging her with what they're charging her with. I think

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<v Speaker 7>she should just be charged with manslaughter. But I feel

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<v Speaker 7>like they're I don't feel you know, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me just say this, Jonathan, you're the perfect

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<v Speaker 2>caller for tonight. You caught what I'm saying. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to understand, and I think your acknowledgment that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't bring this up in certain sense of circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>It's really true. It's become almost the political passions have

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<v Speaker 2>turned into legal passions, which is good. People are paying attention. Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I really enjoyed the call. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you for everything you do. We talk to you

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<v Speaker 6>to him, Thank you much.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let me go next to Alex in Millis. Alex,

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<v Speaker 2>go right ahead, sir. How are you on this one?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh good? I'll tell you. First off, my wife was

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<v Speaker 6>my goal is always to stay out of courtrooms and

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<v Speaker 6>Some of them, you know, most police officers are are

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<v Speaker 6>My feeling was in the beginning, I thought she was innocent.

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<v Speaker 6>But right now I'm on the fence. And the only

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<v Speaker 6>in the jury, I wouldn't convict her. But you know,

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<v Speaker 6>deep down inside, I think you know something happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So my question do you Alex, And the question

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<v Speaker 2>that I've put before the audience is, yeah, your wife

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<v Speaker 2>feels that Karen is innocent. Correct, You're kind of moving

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's what you just told me.

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to you very carefully when you felt she

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<v Speaker 2>Did that cause any hard words between you and your

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, and you know my wife, Yeah, my wife didn't

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<v Speaker 6>I know, she goes. I've been following this. You know

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<v Speaker 6>she's innocent, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, but that's not my question. Listen to my question. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the most important thing in the world. I

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<v Speaker 2>this the first time you've kind of seen something like

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<v Speaker 2>this differently, or do you normally vote for the same candidates,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we're usually both from the same candidates, and this

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<v Speaker 6>time my wife goes whatever you feel, you know, so

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<v Speaker 6>she wasn't. If I had voted, you know, one way

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<v Speaker 6>or another, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Would yeah, because a lot of times obviously, if you

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't feel strongly and your spouse feels strongly, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you vote off, you've kind of negated the other

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<v Speaker 2>person's vote. All right, Hey, Alex is always great to

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<v Speaker 2>your voice. Thank you, say how to your wife and

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<v Speaker 2>tells she should call some night. Okay, thanks Alex.

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<v Speaker 5>I heard my husband. He covered me. He called you

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<v Speaker 5>all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're welcome to don't trust me. Don't let him

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<v Speaker 2>control either they either remember this. Let me ask what

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<v Speaker 2>is your first name?

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<v Speaker 5>Anna?

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<v Speaker 2>Anna? Remember you never let your husband control the telephone

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<v Speaker 2>or the remote control on the television.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, oh no, the television, I harrid.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, good night Anna, good night Alex.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, he always call you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay. We we like our regular callers. Thanks, Honor,

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Good night, Alex, good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night. Gotta go to a break. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>at night's side. We got a couple of lines one

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<v Speaker 2>in six, seven, two, five, four thirty. We'll try to

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<v Speaker 2>get you in or at six one, seven ninety a

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<v Speaker 2>guest coming up at ten. So Karen, Bill and Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>you're all set, no promises to anyone else. I'll try

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<v Speaker 2>to get you in. That's the best I could do.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming back on Night Side, It's.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, back to calls.

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<v Speaker 4>Go.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Karen. Hey, Karen, how are you

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<v Speaker 2>having talked to you? I don't think this year. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you, Karen?

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<v Speaker 5>I think I spoke spoke to you this year? I'm fine?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your take on this?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think I don't know if you remember, but

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<v Speaker 5>my view on Karen Reid is that from I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's pretty open and shut case. You know, she was

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<v Speaker 5>always served. She blacked out and she didn't remember what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what happened, and so the defense she got

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<v Speaker 5>these high price attorneys who told her who fabricated something?

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<v Speaker 5>And that's what I feel. I feel that she that

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<v Speaker 5>she ran into her boyfriend. I'm not sure it was

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<v Speaker 5>intentional or not. Who knows. I hope Brandon does a

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<v Speaker 5>lot more with the forensics of the vehicle. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 5>I'm intrigued by is Betha tells article about how some

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<v Speaker 5>of these diehard supporters are questioning, you know, what their

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<v Speaker 5>foreign beliefs were, what the.

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<v Speaker 2>What word I missed that word?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, what their former beliefs were about this? You know

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<v Speaker 5>they were diehard?

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, you know, hey, there are there are people

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<v Speaker 2>who switch sides on IF issues all the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>there must have been something that came up that most

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<v Speaker 2>of the people who she talked to were people who

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<v Speaker 2>once were Karen Read supporters and now are not what

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<v Speaker 2>you call Karen Read supporters.

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<v Speaker 5>Well that's this I'm saying. I'm intrigued by that, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm wondering it's because she's really exposed herself. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>she's done so many shows.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean it's real. It's sort of uncanny how a

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<v Speaker 5>murder murder defendant has been so like chirpy and upbeat,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, coming in and out of court. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>it just it's rather unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, some might might read that differently.

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<v Speaker 2>Some might say, well, this just shows she's so relaxed

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<v Speaker 2>that that she realizes that she didn't do anything bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Or conversely, she might might look it might be perceived

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<v Speaker 2>that that she is not taking it seriously enough. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess that would be another way.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, you know, I don't know what's going

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<v Speaker 5>on in people's minds. I just just from from the

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<v Speaker 5>very beginning, I think I told you, you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>just said that. I just s remised that she had

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<v Speaker 5>told your drink and she ran into him, and that

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<v Speaker 5>was that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Amongst your amongst your friends, is it a big

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<v Speaker 2>topic of conversation or no?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, no, Well, similarly acquaintances, they're just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>they're just clueless about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's no. So therefore that there's no that means

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<v Speaker 2>there's no cost for any rank or amongst your friends.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>What's interesting the claims I have who is pro karing

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<v Speaker 5>you is also strongly Mecca, and I think there's I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think there's a little correlation there.

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<v Speaker 5>Go out on a limb here and say that I

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<v Speaker 5>think there's something about distortion of the truth that runs

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<v Speaker 5>in common.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, or it could be distrust in government, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. They could be a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of that there, Okay, possibly, but I sense that as well, Karen,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple more I got to get to

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<v Speaker 2>police call a little earlier. And I'll give you a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more time. I want to give everybody goodnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go next to Gary and Rockland. Gary. Want

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<v Speaker 2>to get you in as quickly as I can here,

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<v Speaker 2>get a couple more like to get to go ahead? Gary?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hello, Gary, welcome, you're on the ear. What's your

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<v Speaker 2>take on this?

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<v Speaker 5>I think she's framed?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Is that the way you felt all along?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>Because there was so much uh wrong with the investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so you haven't changed You have not changed

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<v Speaker 2>your mind, right, No, okay, that's fine. That's fine. Now

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<v Speaker 2>amongst your friends, is it a topic of conversation? Do

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<v Speaker 2>people agree with you or disagree with you? Or is

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<v Speaker 2>it even a topic of conversation?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh no, all our neighbors think she's and framed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, so you you This interesting is you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>securing your belief, which is fine, and the people who

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<v Speaker 2>you interact with feel the same way. That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 7>The missing phone on the phone that was destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I don't want to litigate the case. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's I'm trying to do that. I'm trying to understand

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<v Speaker 2>if people are taking a second look or not. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you everything you see is reinforcing your belief is what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. Right, Yeah, it's okay, that's fine, that's legitimate,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. All right, Thank you, Gary, appreciate it. I

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<v Speaker 2>really do, thank you much.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye. Hey, let me get Harvey Silvergladen here real quickly. Harvey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really cramped for time. You probably understand where we're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to.

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<v Speaker 5>Go with this with this comment comment. Okay, the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that you have so many people who disagree with each

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<v Speaker 5>other that defines reasonable doubt, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh Yeah, they're on the jury, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>That's my comment.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Thanks buddy, talk to you all right. That's

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<v Speaker 2>best call of the night. Doreen, you're gonna give You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be the last one here, you go, right ahead, Dorian?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh Hi, Dan guilty?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Have you changed your mind? Or have you always

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<v Speaker 2>seen it that way?

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<v Speaker 4>I seen it that way?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Amongst your friends, your circle of friends, are you

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<v Speaker 2>in the minority or the majority?

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<v Speaker 7>They all believe the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you haven't run into anyone like in your

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<v Speaker 2>circle of friends who sees it differently?

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<v Speaker 4>Now, okay, and how come they don't put them? How

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<v Speaker 4>come they don't put these guilt. Well, if you're guilty

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<v Speaker 4>or not, why don't they put them on the stand

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<v Speaker 4>to talk for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, most lawyers will tell defendants not to get on

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<v Speaker 2>the witness stand, okay, unless they feel the client really

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<v Speaker 2>needs to connect with the jury. That's very, very rarely

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<v Speaker 2>will the defense lawyer put the client on the witness stand,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly if there's some potential evidence, because the client sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>can do more harm than good. Now, we've seen cases

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<v Speaker 2>where you know, J. Simpson got on the witness stand

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<v Speaker 2>and the prosecution made the made the mistake of try

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<v Speaker 2>this glove on mister Simpson, and he tried it on

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<v Speaker 2>and of course it had tightened up over time and

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't fit it. And uh, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Corkman said, if the glove doesn't fit, you must

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<v Speaker 2>have quit. So o. J. Simpson was one defendant, and

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<v Speaker 2>a likable one at that who I think helped himself

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<v Speaker 2>by being on the witness stand. But most people would,

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<v Speaker 2>most lawyers would advise their clients not to not to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. So Doreena, I'm glad. I'm glad to know

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<v Speaker 2>that you and your friends all feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's no argumentation amongst amongst your group.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, we shall see.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Thanks Doreen, We'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks, Okay, take care, damn good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we get back, we're gonna talk about something that

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<v Speaker 2>I hope some of you are aware of, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is that the website, very popular website called twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>and me has filed for bankruptcy. And that website was

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<v Speaker 2>a place where people sent their personal data. Sometimes they're

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<v Speaker 2>well always their their DNA is simple as their DNA

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<v Speaker 2>to get genetic information. What's going to happen with all

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<v Speaker 2>that DNA? And we're going to talk with an expert

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<v Speaker 2>about that subject when we get back, right after the

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<v Speaker 2>ten o'clock news here on Nightside.