Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Coustin New Radio.
Speaker 2: Get those Blue Jays out of town. Let's bring the
Speaker 2: Cardinals back here. We can deal with them, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: My name is Danren. I thank very much, Dan Watkins,
Speaker 2: as we head into our second hour here on a
Speaker 2: Tuesday night. So this is interesting, as I think most
Speaker 2: of you know the Karen Reid trial, at least the
Speaker 2: jury selection part of that trial is underway. The last
Speaker 2: I heard, as of this morning, there were ten jurors
Speaker 2: that had been selected. They need sixteen to impanel a jury.
Speaker 2: It would be twelve jurors and then four alternates, and
Speaker 2: they would not pick the alternates until left to the
Speaker 2: case was submitted to the jury. But sorry. Story that
Speaker 2: appeared yesterday in the Boston Globe Digital and we've had
Speaker 2: this guest on before, the writer Beth Title before, but
Speaker 2: she respectfully declined to join us for this one. And
Speaker 2: I'm beginning to wonder why. This is a really brilliant
Speaker 2: article that she wrote, and I'm going to take it
Speaker 2: a step further. The headline in the story was and again,
Speaker 2: this is a Karen Reid story, so remember that that's
Speaker 2: always going to be interesting. Of the Beth title of
Speaker 2: the Globe went looking to see if any Karen Reid
Speaker 2: supporters had secretly flipped. Here's what happened next. The subtitle
Speaker 2: is some former Karen Reid super fians secretly thinks she's
Speaker 2: guilty and they're afraid. Basically, what that title is reporting,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to quote a little bit from her article,
Speaker 2: but what she's essentially reporting is that some of the
Speaker 2: emails that she received quoting out left me meaning t Tell,
Speaker 2: feeling scared like I was hearing from people hiding from
Speaker 2: the mob. One read, thank you for having the courage
Speaker 2: to write about this. Another said I've only told people
Speaker 2: in my close circle. Third worried, I'm a bit paranoid
Speaker 2: about personal info like my cell phone getting leaked. Another
Speaker 2: finally said be careful. The correspondents, according to Beth I Tell,
Speaker 2: were people who had once firmly believed or in her words,
Speaker 2: fervently believed in Karen Reid's innocence, and who almost more importantly,
Speaker 2: had bonded with others in the trial group. Now some
Speaker 2: have suggested that the Karen Reid supporters have become almost
Speaker 2: cult like. That might be too strong, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: They spent their days harding each other's social media posts.
Speaker 2: Some had mustard outside the courthouse or on random road waves,
Speaker 2: waving signs raised money for a defense fund, and they
Speaker 2: wore pink. They bought the merch. According to t Tell,
Speaker 2: their whole personalities had become Karen Reid. She goes on
Speaker 2: to say that, you know, then maybe a new piece
Speaker 2: of evidence of merge or they came to discuss their
Speaker 2: source of pro read news. But what had seemed like
Speaker 2: serious objective analysis allegedly proving Reid had been framed as
Speaker 2: the defense allegers began to feel a little rabbit holing,
Speaker 2: and according to Titel of The Globe, they changed their minds.
Speaker 2: And then what now I'm going to quote be goingy
Speaker 2: for other on the off change, she basically tells the story,
Speaker 2: and I think everyone in this audience knows the story
Speaker 2: of Karen Reid and the tragic death of her Boston
Speaker 2: Police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe. She's been charged with second
Speaker 2: degree murder, as well as manslaughter, vaculum homicide, and leaving
Speaker 2: the sea of an accident and other crimes. That suggests,
Speaker 2: you know, the story that she might have backed into
Speaker 2: the boyfriend. Anyway, we all know that the first trial
Speaker 2: ended in a mistrial, and matter of fact, it's up
Speaker 2: back up at the well, it's up at the US
Speaker 2: Supreme Court. Her lawyers are still saying that the jury
Speaker 2: who post trial told reporters and told the defense lawyers
Speaker 2: that the jury had actually agreed on the first and
Speaker 2: third charge that she was not guilty, although they had
Speaker 2: never actually I guess formally filled out the jury slip
Speaker 2: and submitted it to the clerk who handed it to
Speaker 2: the judge. So t tell with this as a backdrop,
Speaker 2: and it's become a huge national story. Titel writes, I
Speaker 2: spent time interviewing her super fiens last year, and what
Speaker 2: struck me as much as anything was the obviously camaraderie
Speaker 2: they developed. They become members of an adult onset click,
Speaker 2: brought together by a woman they didn't know but whose
Speaker 2: life had become their cause. Many SKIP worker drove long
Speaker 2: distances to protest and regularly described fellow Free Karen Readers
Speaker 2: fkrs as their new best friends. Last Sunday, as it
Speaker 2: would have been a week ago, as the retrial poised
Speaker 2: to start, I wondered what it would like to leave
Speaker 2: this group, a bunch of former strangers who came together
Speaker 2: and formed what has been called a cult. And then
Speaker 2: she said, out of an abundance of let's say idiocy,
Speaker 2: I took my question to the heart the Beast, Karen
Speaker 2: Reid's support group on Facebook with nearly sixty thousand members.
Speaker 2: If this is you and you'd like to talk anonymously,
Speaker 2: I wrote, we can do that. According to I Tell,
Speaker 2: The responses came in hot and heavy hundreds. As the
Speaker 2: vitriol mounted, so did Beth admits her stress, and I
Speaker 2: stepped away from my laptop. When I returned a few
Speaker 2: hours laters, a few hours later, eight hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: three people had weighed in on my bias and poor
Speaker 2: judgment skills and who knows what else. Because they decided
Speaker 2: I didn't want this much, hated my life and deleted
Speaker 2: the post. But it didn't help. The conspiracy stoking blogger
Speaker 2: who is credited in part with whipping up the global frenzy,
Speaker 2: posted Beth I Tell Beth I Tell's Facebook post that
Speaker 2: X and the abuse remained. Well, my question is, and
Speaker 2: we invited Beth to come on tonight, but she declined. Okay,
Speaker 2: my question is she did find people who said I
Speaker 2: absolutely started out thinking Karen Reid was framed, and now
Speaker 2: I'm completely ashamed of myself that I almost fell for that.
Speaker 2: One wrote, I've silently flipped and I believe she's guilty.
Speaker 2: Another said I didn't feel this way in the beginning.
Speaker 2: I went to a fundraiser and bought the sweatshirt. The
Speaker 2: fear of being on the wrong side of your social
Speaker 2: group goes both ways. It should be noted again, I'm
Speaker 2: quoting here from Beth i Tell's digital piece of the Globe,
Speaker 2: even if in the Karen Reid case it's her supporters
Speaker 2: who seemed more vocal and cleannish. Indeed, as emails from
Speaker 2: former Karen Reid supporters kept arriving, a direct message popped
Speaker 2: up in my Facebook. It was from someone who initially
Speaker 2: thought Reid was guilty, but who then changed her mind
Speaker 2: and now believe she was framed. But she and her
Speaker 2: like mind that friends fear having their true feelings exposed
Speaker 2: to members of the victims family, who also happens to
Speaker 2: be neighbors. I'm part of a secret group who support
Speaker 2: Karen Reid. It began. So here's my question, and it's
Speaker 2: real simple is there anyone out there who wants to
Speaker 2: express their strong opinions one way or the other on
Speaker 2: the Karen Reid case. And even better, is there anyone
Speaker 2: out there who has changed their opinion over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years. Is there anyone out there who really
Speaker 2: fervently believed that she was guilty and now believe the
Speaker 2: opposite that she was innocent? Or or in the contrary,
Speaker 2: is there anyone out there who believed she was innocent
Speaker 2: and now after the first trial, believes she was guilty.
Speaker 2: And then the additional layer that I'd like to put
Speaker 2: on top of this is this all of us. Remember
Speaker 2: that during the presidential campaigns of twenty sixteen, twenty twenty
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty four, you couldn't talk to anybody about
Speaker 2: this who was a strong Hillary or Joe Biden or
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris supporter, or sometimes a strong Trump supporter. It
Speaker 2: fractured families. Remember we used to talk about Thanksgiving dinner
Speaker 2: and what it would be like sitting across the table
Speaker 2: from relatives and discussing presidential politics. I want to know
Speaker 2: if the Karen Reid case has generated similar dynamics within families.
Speaker 2: The people within your family who believe she is either
Speaker 2: guilty or innocent, or guilty or not guilty. Guilty or
Speaker 2: innocent is different from guilty or not guilty. We've bought,
Speaker 2: We've gone through that several times. So I think you
Speaker 2: guys understand that and have either flipped their positions or
Speaker 2: or are now not talking to other family members because
Speaker 2: there's strong, so strong disagreement. Let's open it up here,
Speaker 2: just trying to do a little bit of a social experiment.
Speaker 2: We do not have Beth Titel with us, but I
Speaker 2: want to give her all the credit for the idea
Speaker 2: for this hour, and I hope you're intrigued at as
Speaker 2: about it as much as I am. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine three one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We'll open up these phone lines. We'll get as many
Speaker 2: people in as possible between now and ten o'clock. I
Speaker 2: have a guest coming in at well, I should have guessed,
Speaker 2: I tell you I have a guest on the phone
Speaker 2: at ten o'clock. For those of you who may be aware,
Speaker 2: the website twenty three and me, that's one of those
Speaker 2: sort of like ancestry websites as at other one ancestry
Speaker 2: dot com there's probably others I'm unaware of, but twenty
Speaker 2: three and ME has filed for bankruptcy, and many people
Speaker 2: are worried that some of the personal data that they
Speaker 2: and genetic information that they basically gave to the company
Speaker 2: now in the bankruptcy proceeding might be sold a bought
Speaker 2: by another company, and then what happens to that personal
Speaker 2: information that maybe you thought would never see the light
Speaker 2: of day six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Let's get
Speaker 2: it going here on Night Side, and well, yeah, we
Speaker 2: we don't have to take everything as life and death.
Speaker 2: But if you strongly believe one way or the other,
Speaker 2: or if you have family members who disagree with you,
Speaker 2: and if it's caused some angst, I'd love to hear
Speaker 2: from you as well. We'll be back on Nightside. Let's
Speaker 2: keep it going here right away.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, we got full line, so let's see what people
Speaker 2: have to say. Again. The question is have you changed
Speaker 2: your opinion? And whether you have, you haven't, that's okay, uh.
Speaker 2: And then have you had any strong disagreements within your family?
Speaker 2: Like you've had political disagreements. Now, maybe some families are
Speaker 2: all this way or all the other. I'm interested in
Speaker 2: those who you You have a conversation with your aunt
Speaker 2: or your uncle, or your brother or your sister or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you realize, WHOA, they don't see this the same
Speaker 2: way as I do. Let me go to Lola in California.
Speaker 2: In San Diego, California. Lola, you are first this hour nightside.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Hey, Dan. So I am an avid supporter of what's
Speaker 3: going on, and what's going on is in a nutshell,
Speaker 3: corruption across the whole country with different cases. So I'm
Speaker 3: on this website, on this Facebook page called Resistant to Silence,
Speaker 3: and this is for Karen Reid and in this private group,
Speaker 3: but you can join two point one k members. So
Speaker 3: this girl wrote in the other day, hold on, I'm
Speaker 3: scrolling down because I want to get it right.
Speaker 2: To well, this is the group that supports believes Karen
Speaker 2: Reid is innocent. Okay, just to make sure the audience
Speaker 2: follows the bouncing ball, go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so this girl saw her picture posted by the
Speaker 3: Globe and she sent them a message. I'm scrolling down
Speaker 3: to it, and she's like they took my picture from
Speaker 3: somewhere without my permission and put it in the article.
Speaker 3: It's right here. The girl's name is Renee Rose. I
Speaker 3: don't know her. When the photo of Dina and Rita
Speaker 3: was switched out for a photo of Karen in myself exchanged,
Speaker 3: I pressed on with the Boston Globe, please peel.
Speaker 2: But here's the problem. Here's the road we're going down. Lolo. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know who you are. I don't
Speaker 2: know who this person is. And if they're claiming that
Speaker 2: there was a photograph that was mislabeled misidentified in the Globe,
Speaker 2: she's got to take that up with the Globe or
Speaker 2: with lawyers on her behalf, with the Globe, not on
Speaker 2: my show.
Speaker 3: So no, no, I'm just explaining to you. I know
Speaker 3: that the article it says here the bars.
Speaker 2: No, no, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola. Yeah, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to litigate on my show.
Speaker 3: Uh no, no, oh, I oh, I.
Speaker 2: Think you are litigating. Okay, And as the judge here
Speaker 2: on that side, I have to make rulings, Lola. Okay.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, if you have a if Lola
Speaker 2: has an opinion about the case, I'm more than happy
Speaker 2: to hear that. Okay, if you believe that, uh that,
Speaker 2: it's your belief. But I don't want to get into
Speaker 2: what someone else is claiming on a page about the
Speaker 2: Boston Globe because that's between them and the Globe and
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not a party to it. Okay.
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to do that, Dan, I was what
Speaker 3: I was trying to explain in my opinion, based on
Speaker 3: what I have seen, it seems that this girl's photo
Speaker 3: got no.
Speaker 2: That's it, Lola. Three strikes and you're out on this one.
Speaker 2: If you want to go to your opinion. But if
Speaker 2: you'll try to backtrack to this, we're done. That's all
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I can hear it, Lola. I know the next
Speaker 2: sentence is going to put me in trouble with lawyers.
Speaker 2: And I'm a lawyer. I'm smart enough to understand where
Speaker 2: I don't want to go. If you were going to
Speaker 2: call me, and that's all I'm saying, Lola, please you
Speaker 2: know me, I understand you. Please respect the show. If
Speaker 2: you want to express an opinion, go ahead, but not don't.
Speaker 3: My opinion. I won't is we have to have the facts, okay,
Speaker 3: And so some of the facts is starting to come
Speaker 3: out with a reference to there was an audit, and
Speaker 3: there was an investigation, and they're finding out that there
Speaker 3: was no The house in crime scened off.
Speaker 4: Is what I've heard.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not saying that this is what happened that.
Speaker 2: Right, Lola, apre's the deal? Loa, Lola? Why don't you
Speaker 2: just tell me what you believe. I know that you
Speaker 2: fervently believe that she was framed. That's fine, no problem.
Speaker 2: You have every right to believe that and every right
Speaker 2: to say that. However, However, the purpose of my conversation
Speaker 2: tonight is not to relitigate the case, or to relitigate
Speaker 2: if somebody had a photograph in the globe. My purpose
Speaker 2: tonight is to find out if people have known of
Speaker 2: people who switched their points of view, If someone who
Speaker 2: a year ago thought she was guilty now thinks she's innocent.
Speaker 2: Does everyone in your circle of friends agree with you
Speaker 2: on this? Does everyone in your family agree with you
Speaker 2: on this?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not. My family's not involved. I do have
Speaker 3: high school classmates that are involved. That I that's how
Speaker 3: I got involved when I was home last NA and
Speaker 3: that's how I learned about it. And I'm in different groups.
Speaker 3: What I will say is there's more people joining the groups,
Speaker 3: then there's no groups separate. For the prosecution, the prosecuting
Speaker 3: attorney of the state of.
Speaker 2: Let me ask an an honest question, and then I
Speaker 2: got to run to news. Has y has this become
Speaker 2: the cause of your life in the last couple of years?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, do you do standouts? You told me you do
Speaker 2: standouts in San Diego.
Speaker 3: I do, but I don't do I've done four standouts.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's a big commitment. That's a big commitment.
Speaker 3: Well, I've only done it for two or three hours,
Speaker 3: and I've only done it. Look, I've only done it.
Speaker 3: I did it this week because my friend's sister was
Speaker 3: here from Sanfa Francisco and she doesn't have anybody to
Speaker 3: stand out with. Allright, it's not my life game.
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, farre enough. Well, I know you're
Speaker 2: very much involved in it, and I wanted to give
Speaker 2: you credit for being passionate. All Right, Lola, I'm in
Speaker 2: the newscast. I gotta run. I wish we didn't waste
Speaker 2: as much time. Thanks Loa. Talk talk to you soon,
Speaker 2: all right, only line six one seven. Look. I like
Speaker 2: to be generous and I like to be reasonable, but
Speaker 2: sometimes I do have the draw line. And if you agree, great,
Speaker 2: If you disagree, that's fine too. You have the number
Speaker 2: six one, seven, nine, three, ten, thirty. That's the only
Speaker 2: lines that are open right now. The others were all full.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it rolling here, go to Jonathan
Speaker 2: and Bill Rick. Hey, Jonathan, how are you tonight?
Speaker 5: I'm good?
Speaker 6: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing just great, Jonathan. Focus if you would for
Speaker 2: me a little bit on the issue at hand, and
Speaker 2: that is, do you feel the same way about the
Speaker 2: trial today as you did, you know, a year or
Speaker 2: two years ago, and and it do you have friends
Speaker 2: with whom maybe your relationship has been adversely impacted because
Speaker 2: you have a strong belief one way or the other.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, So, I actually have my perception of the case,
Speaker 7: or my opinion of the case has changed, I will say,
Speaker 7: over the past year, year and a half or so.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me what so.
Speaker 7: I think just when I originally had heard the case
Speaker 7: and had heard a lot of people talking about it,
Speaker 7: the information just you know, it seemed that there was
Speaker 7: a lot of you know, information that related one way,
Speaker 7: if you will, and then kind of as I dove
Speaker 7: into the case a little bit, I kind of went
Speaker 7: in the other direction.
Speaker 6: So so it's definitely changed.
Speaker 7: And it's one of those things that I think, it's
Speaker 7: almost like it's to your point about like politics, especially
Speaker 7: in our area, it's one of those situations that you
Speaker 7: almost like don't bring up because you don't even talk
Speaker 7: about because some people are so heated over it, so you.
Speaker 2: Don't bring it up.
Speaker 7: In the environment definitely, but also in the work environment too.
Speaker 7: It's one of those situations that people are very, very opinionated,
Speaker 7: and you almost you know, don't want to bring it up.
Speaker 2: Okay, So which which which way did you tread to
Speaker 2: transform yourself? Did you go from feeling she was guilty
Speaker 2: and now believe the opposite, or did you start off
Speaker 2: with questions and now are more convinced of her guilt?
Speaker 2: Which which which side of the fence did you go
Speaker 2: from to the other?
Speaker 7: So I kind of feel like it's it's in the middle.
Speaker 7: I feel I went from feeling that she was completely
Speaker 7: innocent to feeling that she has some guilt. I don't
Speaker 7: think I don't realize what happened, But that's just my opinion.
Speaker 7: And you know, it's one of those things that when
Speaker 7: I talk to people and they get very heated on
Speaker 7: the other side, and I must say, it's just my opinion.
Speaker 7: I really have, you know, I you know, it's her life.
Speaker 7: And unfortunately, I think the real horrible incident of this
Speaker 7: whole situation obviously is the death of you know, John
Speaker 7: O'Keefe and the fact that you know, he had his
Speaker 7: you know, niece and nephew and they had such a
Speaker 7: tragedy and all that stuff. But I think it's okay
Speaker 7: for us all to have different opinions. And I have
Speaker 7: to say, if I was ever in a case where
Speaker 7: I had a jury deciding on something about my life,
Speaker 7: I would want people that had different opinions and visions
Speaker 7: and you know that kind of stuff of how they
Speaker 7: portrayed stuff. So I think it's okay that we feel
Speaker 7: a different way. Unfortunately, I don't think that everyone. Everyone's
Speaker 7: very strong on it, so and I will say most
Speaker 7: people feel that she is innocent.
Speaker 2: So you you went from feeling she's innocent to kind
Speaker 2: of on defense. Is where you are.
Speaker 7: I feel she has. I don't feel they should be
Speaker 7: charging her with what they're charging her with. I think
Speaker 7: she should just be charged with manslaughter. But I feel
Speaker 7: like they're I don't feel you know, I don't want
Speaker 7: to get into the specifics, but I feel like something
Speaker 7: happened that she was involved with. You know, I think
Speaker 7: she has guilt.
Speaker 2: Well, let me just say this, Jonathan, you're the perfect
Speaker 2: caller for tonight. You caught what I'm saying. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to understand, and I think your acknowledgment that
Speaker 2: you don't bring this up in certain sense of circumstances,
Speaker 2: It's really true. It's become almost the political passions have
Speaker 2: turned into legal passions, which is good. People are paying attention. Jonathan.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really enjoyed the call. Thank you,
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 6: Thank you for everything you do. We talk to you
Speaker 6: to him, Thank you much.
Speaker 2: All right, let me go next to Alex in Millis. Alex,
Speaker 2: go right ahead, sir. How are you on this one?
Speaker 6: Oh good? I'll tell you. First off, my wife was
Speaker 6: never called. She's sitting right next to me, and she
Speaker 6: feels that darn Reed is innocent. I always say, you know,
Speaker 6: my goal is always to stay out of courtrooms and
Speaker 6: out of hospitals. And I think if this woman, if
Speaker 6: she had followed, you know, I mean, she's an intelligent woman,
Speaker 6: but somehow or other, she got caught up with these people.
Speaker 6: Some of them, you know, most police officers are are
Speaker 6: really outstanding, but you've got a bunch of you know,
Speaker 6: I don't know, people say kind of thud type people.
Speaker 6: My feeling was in the beginning, I thought she was innocent.
Speaker 6: But right now I'm on the fence. And the only
Speaker 6: reason I would say that is because of you know,
Speaker 6: the investigation with what doctor did you know is leaning
Speaker 6: towards Karen Read's favor, So I can't. If I were
Speaker 6: in the jury, I wouldn't convict her. But you know,
Speaker 6: deep down inside, I think you know something happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, So my question do you Alex, And the question
Speaker 2: that I've put before the audience is, yeah, your wife
Speaker 2: feels that Karen is innocent. Correct, You're kind of moving
Speaker 2: towards your wife's position.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what you just told me.
Speaker 2: I listened to you very carefully when you felt she
Speaker 2: was guilty, whenever that was six months ago, a year ago.
Speaker 2: Did that cause any hard words between you and your
Speaker 2: wife or did both of you understand Okay, it's a
Speaker 2: difference of opinion, it's no problem.
Speaker 6: Uh, and you know my wife, Yeah, my wife didn't
Speaker 6: really didn't pay any attention. It's it's like a soap opera,
Speaker 6: you know, once you tune into a soap opper. She
Speaker 6: got you know, she got mesmerized. You know, so she goes, Oh,
Speaker 6: I know, she goes. I've been following this. You know
Speaker 6: she's innocent, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but that's not my question. Listen to my question. Okay,
Speaker 2: when you felt Karen was guilty and your wife is
Speaker 2: belief she was innocent, did that cause any conflict between
Speaker 2: you and your wife or did you vote say, hey,
Speaker 2: it's not the most important thing in the world. I
Speaker 2: feel one way, you feel another. Let's have dinner or
Speaker 2: that's what I'm trying to Okay, good, that's fine, Good,
Speaker 2: that's wonderful. Okay. Yeah, So let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: When you vote, do you vote the same way? Is
Speaker 2: this the first time you've kind of seen something like
Speaker 2: this differently, or do you normally vote for the same candidates,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 6: Well, we're usually both from the same candidates, and this
Speaker 6: time my wife goes whatever you feel, you know, so
Speaker 6: she wasn't. If I had voted, you know, one way
Speaker 6: or another, she.
Speaker 2: Would yeah, because a lot of times obviously, if you
Speaker 2: if you don't feel strongly and your spouse feels strongly, well,
Speaker 2: if you vote off, you've kind of negated the other
Speaker 2: person's vote. All right, Hey, Alex is always great to
Speaker 2: your voice. Thank you, say how to your wife and
Speaker 2: tells she should call some night. Okay, thanks Alex.
Speaker 5: I heard my husband. He covered me. He called you
Speaker 5: all the time.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're welcome to don't trust me. Don't let him
Speaker 2: control either they either remember this. Let me ask what
Speaker 2: is your first name?
Speaker 5: Anna?
Speaker 2: Anna? Remember you never let your husband control the telephone
Speaker 2: or the remote control on the television.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh no, the television, I harrid.
Speaker 2: All right, good night Anna, good night Alex.
Speaker 5: Okay, he always call you guys.
Speaker 2: That's okay. We we like our regular callers. Thanks, Honor,
Speaker 2: talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: Good night, Alex, good night.
Speaker 2: Good night. Gotta go to a break. We'll be back
Speaker 2: at night's side. We got a couple of lines one
Speaker 2: in six, seven, two, five, four thirty. We'll try to
Speaker 2: get you in or at six one, seven ninety a
Speaker 2: guest coming up at ten. So Karen, Bill and Gary,
Speaker 2: you're all set, no promises to anyone else. I'll try
Speaker 2: to get you in. That's the best I could do.
Speaker 2: Coming back on Night Side, It's.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, back to calls.
Speaker 4: Go.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Karen. Hey, Karen, how are you
Speaker 2: having talked to you? I don't think this year. How
Speaker 2: are you, Karen?
Speaker 5: I think I spoke spoke to you this year? I'm fine?
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: What's your take on this?
Speaker 5: Well, I think I don't know if you remember, but
Speaker 5: my view on Karen Reid is that from I think
Speaker 5: it's pretty open and shut case. You know, she was
Speaker 5: always served. She blacked out and she didn't remember what happened.
Speaker 5: You know what happened, and so the defense she got
Speaker 5: these high price attorneys who told her who fabricated something?
Speaker 5: And that's what I feel. I feel that she that
Speaker 5: she ran into her boyfriend. I'm not sure it was
Speaker 5: intentional or not. Who knows. I hope Brandon does a
Speaker 5: lot more with the forensics of the vehicle. Okay, what
Speaker 5: I'm intrigued by is Betha tells article about how some
Speaker 5: of these diehard supporters are questioning, you know, what their
Speaker 5: foreign beliefs were, what the.
Speaker 2: What word I missed that word?
Speaker 5: Well, what their former beliefs were about this? You know
Speaker 5: they were diehard?
Speaker 2: Well no, you know, hey, there are there are people
Speaker 2: who switch sides on IF issues all the time. But
Speaker 2: there must have been something that came up that most
Speaker 2: of the people who she talked to were people who
Speaker 2: once were Karen Read supporters and now are not what
Speaker 2: you call Karen Read supporters.
Speaker 5: Well that's this I'm saying. I'm intrigued by that, and
Speaker 5: I'm wondering it's because she's really exposed herself. I mean,
Speaker 5: she's done so many shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 5: I mean it's real. It's sort of uncanny how a
Speaker 5: murder murder defendant has been so like chirpy and upbeat,
Speaker 5: you know, coming in and out of court. You know,
Speaker 5: it just it's rather unusual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, some might might read that differently.
Speaker 2: Some might say, well, this just shows she's so relaxed
Speaker 2: that that she realizes that she didn't do anything bad.
Speaker 2: Or conversely, she might might look it might be perceived
Speaker 2: that that she is not taking it seriously enough. I
Speaker 2: guess that would be another way.
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, I don't know what's going
Speaker 5: on in people's minds. I just just from from the
Speaker 5: very beginning, I think I told you, you know, I
Speaker 5: just said that. I just s remised that she had
Speaker 5: told your drink and she ran into him, and that
Speaker 5: was that.
Speaker 2: Okay. Amongst your amongst your friends, is it a big
Speaker 2: topic of conversation or no?
Speaker 5: You know, no, Well, similarly acquaintances, they're just like, oh,
Speaker 5: they're just clueless about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's no. So therefore that there's no that means
Speaker 2: there's no cost for any rank or amongst your friends.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: What's interesting the claims I have who is pro karing
Speaker 5: you is also strongly Mecca, and I think there's I.
Speaker 2: Think there's a little correlation there.
Speaker 5: Go out on a limb here and say that I
Speaker 5: think there's something about distortion of the truth that runs
Speaker 5: in common.
Speaker 2: Well, or it could be distrust in government, you know,
Speaker 2: or something like that. They could be a little bit
Speaker 2: of that there, Okay, possibly, but I sense that as well, Karen,
Speaker 2: I got a couple more I got to get to
Speaker 2: police call a little earlier. And I'll give you a
Speaker 2: little bit more time. I want to give everybody goodnight.
Speaker 2: Let me go next to Gary and Rockland. Gary. Want
Speaker 2: to get you in as quickly as I can here,
Speaker 2: get a couple more like to get to go ahead? Gary?
Speaker 2: Oh hello, Gary, welcome, you're on the ear. What's your
Speaker 2: take on this?
Speaker 5: I think she's framed?
Speaker 2: Okay? Is that the way you felt all along?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Because there was so much uh wrong with the investigation.
Speaker 2: All right, so you haven't changed You have not changed
Speaker 2: your mind, right, No, okay, that's fine. That's fine. Now
Speaker 2: amongst your friends, is it a topic of conversation? Do
Speaker 2: people agree with you or disagree with you? Or is
Speaker 2: it even a topic of conversation?
Speaker 7: Oh no, all our neighbors think she's and framed.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, so you you This interesting is you're you're
Speaker 2: securing your belief, which is fine, and the people who
Speaker 2: you interact with feel the same way. That's interesting.
Speaker 7: The missing phone on the phone that was destroyed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I don't want to litigate the case. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's I'm trying to do that. I'm trying to understand
Speaker 2: if people are taking a second look or not. I mean,
Speaker 2: you everything you see is reinforcing your belief is what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Right, Yeah, it's okay, that's fine, that's legitimate,
Speaker 2: you know. All right, Thank you, Gary, appreciate it. I
Speaker 2: really do, thank you much.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Bye. Hey, let me get Harvey Silvergladen here real quickly. Harvey,
Speaker 2: I'm really cramped for time. You probably understand where we're
Speaker 2: trying to.
Speaker 5: Go with this with this comment comment. Okay, the fact
Speaker 5: that you have so many people who disagree with each
Speaker 5: other that defines reasonable doubt, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, they're on the jury, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: That's my comment.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks buddy, talk to you all right. That's
Speaker 2: best call of the night. Doreen, you're gonna give You're
Speaker 2: gonna be the last one here, you go, right ahead, Dorian?
Speaker 4: Uh Hi, Dan guilty?
Speaker 2: Okay? Have you changed your mind? Or have you always
Speaker 2: seen it that way?
Speaker 4: I seen it that way?
Speaker 2: Okay. Amongst your friends, your circle of friends, are you
Speaker 2: in the minority or the majority?
Speaker 7: They all believe the same.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you haven't run into anyone like in your
Speaker 2: circle of friends who sees it differently?
Speaker 4: Now, okay, and how come they don't put them? How
Speaker 4: come they don't put these guilt. Well, if you're guilty
Speaker 4: or not, why don't they put them on the stand
Speaker 4: to talk for themselves.
Speaker 2: Well, most lawyers will tell defendants not to get on
Speaker 2: the witness stand, okay, unless they feel the client really
Speaker 2: needs to connect with the jury. That's very, very rarely
Speaker 2: will the defense lawyer put the client on the witness stand,
Speaker 2: particularly if there's some potential evidence, because the client sometimes
Speaker 2: can do more harm than good. Now, we've seen cases
Speaker 2: where you know, J. Simpson got on the witness stand
Speaker 2: and the prosecution made the made the mistake of try
Speaker 2: this glove on mister Simpson, and he tried it on
Speaker 2: and of course it had tightened up over time and
Speaker 2: he couldn't fit it. And uh, and then you know,
Speaker 2: Johnny Corkman said, if the glove doesn't fit, you must
Speaker 2: have quit. So o. J. Simpson was one defendant, and
Speaker 2: a likable one at that who I think helped himself
Speaker 2: by being on the witness stand. But most people would,
Speaker 2: most lawyers would advise their clients not to not to
Speaker 2: do that. So Doreena, I'm glad. I'm glad to know
Speaker 2: that you and your friends all feel the same way.
Speaker 2: So there's no argumentation amongst amongst your group.
Speaker 7: Well, we shall see.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Thanks Doreen, We'll talk soon.
Speaker 6: Thanks, Okay, take care, damn good night.
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