WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of Bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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So 21 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:05.319 what are you waiting for visit www dot untold radionetwork 22 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:06.560 dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.480 enough out here looking. I'm new to the window now and 34 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:08.840 I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello, 35 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.759 hit the fuddy out here? What quin I'm out there? 36 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.319 I thought of a bit of about sixty nine. I 37 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:16.840 don't know easy out there. 38 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.759 Yeah, I'm walking right a heady our focus will Welcome 39 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.000 O guest to the show. It is been it from 40 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:24.840 the Broadcasting Seeds podcast. Welcome to the show man. 41 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.000 Thank you so much for having me on. 42 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:28.840 I've been looking forward to this man. We met up 43 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:30.719 in Gatlin Burger. You stopped by the booth and we 44 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.280 had a great conversation. I've always looking forward to having 45 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:35.800 people on that I've actually met in person. We do 46 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:37.879 all of this stuff over the internet, so it's always 47 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.240 cool to meet people and shake people's hand in person 48 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.120 and then have them on the show. You have a 49 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:44.719 better rapport. I think, let's talk about this bigfoot thing. 50 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:46.759 What in the world got you interested in the subject 51 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:47.360 to begin with? 52 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:53.080 From childhood, I've always been attracted to whether it started 53 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.680 with mythology. I'm old enough that we didn't have the internet. 54 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.000 It's a library kid, right, I was always that kid. 55 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:02.919 I would go into the libraries my big thing really 56 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:05.240 when I was young. I remember, as eight or nine 57 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:10.039 years old, being enthralled with locked ness. Those gateways. They 58 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:13.759 just always open up to Bigfoot, right, that's the rock 59 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.719 star of the high strange in this genre. Really early 60 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:21.919 I remember getting my hands on everything that I could find, 61 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.599 but there wasn't that much, not back in those days. 62 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:27.400 There was a couple of books I remember watching. I 63 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:30.000 can't remember the name of the show, but it was 64 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.960 Leonard Nimoy. I remember he hosted it, and I remember 65 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.439 they had a thing on that My dad was a 66 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.439 shortwave radio guy and he would listen to Coast to 67 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:43.360 Coast AM. I remember like sneaking up so I could 68 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.319 hear that really early in the morning, listening to Coast 69 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:49.639 to Coast a m and at that time it was 70 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:52.639 ar Bell and he had the occasional Bigfoot guy on. 71 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.159 That's really what my gateway was into the whole Bigfoot 72 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:57.919 Sasquatch world. 73 00:03:58.080 --> 00:03:58.960 It's the same thing for me. 74 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:03.080 NeSSI was my first cryptid love, like the gateway drug 75 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.759 of cryptids got me interested in Bigfoot. I had an experience, 76 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:07.280 like when I was twelve years old with one of 77 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.199 these things out in the woods while I was hunting, 78 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.520 and I was hooked. From then on, I had to 79 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.280 let it go for a while because I did a 80 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:16.480 stint as a cop. I've said it before many times, 81 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.399 you just don't talk about that kind of stuff because 82 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:20.519 people look at you like you got three heads. I 83 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.040 just suppressed it until I left that in twenty sixteen 84 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.600 and I was able to dive back into the love 85 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.639 for cryptids and the love for Bigfoot, and then I've 86 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.000 had experiences since then that have just kept me going 87 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.800 and talking to at this point, probably a thousand or 88 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:38.279 more people interviewing them for the show and talking to 89 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:42.959 people at conferences. It's really my passion and love. But 90 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:44.560 we're not here to talk about me. We're here to 91 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.759 talk about you and your experiences. I know you're here 92 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.240 to talk about some encounters and experiences you've had. Why 93 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:51.000 don't you take us back to where you were, what 94 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:52.040 you were doing, and tell. 95 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:52.720 Us what happened to you. 96 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.040 Again, that's kind of piggyback sound exactly what I was saying. 97 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.600 I was a Boy Scout. Also have a similar background 98 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:03.040 to you, in essence that I was in the military. 99 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.079 Then I got out of the military. I was a 100 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:07.680 police officer for a while, and I spent my time 101 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:12.000 in corporate security or contracting for years until I just 102 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:14.120 got to a point where I couldn't carry a gun anymore. 103 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.240 I just couldn't do it. I didn't want to do 104 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:19.600 it anymore. These aren't places that you talk about this stuff. 105 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:23.079 I suppressed it for years. I toiled the occasional person. 106 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:27.199 But the first encounter, and I've had multiples, the first 107 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.560 encounter that I had I was eleven, so it was 108 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.759 nineteen eighty five. I was a boy in the Boy 109 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:39.079 Scouts in Illinois. There was this camp ground called I 110 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:43.199 think it was Camp Heffernan, which doesn't exist anymore in 111 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:47.079 McLean County, Illinois. I think it's on Bloomington Lake, is 112 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:50.920 what it's called. We were camping, and it was probably 113 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:54.839 in the fall, because we didn't do stuff in summer 114 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:58.120 really because it's just so hot. But it was in 115 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:01.399 the fall. The leaves had started to fall. It was 116 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.920 in the evening sun was starting to go down. The 117 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:08.079 glory of this campground is that it was like one 118 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.360 hundred and something out of acres and we just had 119 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:14.639 free reign of the whole campground. So we would break 120 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.279 into squads and we got to choose where we wanted 121 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:20.519 to camp. We always chose this. I guess you would 122 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:23.879 call it a pine forest, just because it was soft 123 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:27.480 and they're this matt bed of pine needles. So it 124 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:31.000 was real comfortable to sleep in. But it was a 125 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.560 good half a mile from the main cabin where the 126 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.959 Scout leaders would stay and we would eat. We were 127 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:40.160 running a little late for dinner. One night, we decided 128 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.439 we were going to take a shortcut little boys always do, 129 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.920 because Heaven forbid we actually take the right way around. 130 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.199 We have to find the shortcuts. Right there was these 131 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:52.279 hedges and I say hedgerows. If you think of World 132 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:55.560 War two in France, there was all these hedgerows. So 133 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:59.680 it was like a ten foot row of bushes basically 134 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:03.600 that you could slide up underneath, or we could at 135 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:07.079 ages ten through eleven where you could slide underneath, and 136 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:09.360 we didn't have to go all the way around, because 137 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.639 all the way around meant an extra fifty feet. Probably 138 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:17.240 on the other side of this hedgerow there was a 139 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.680 little bit of woods and then an open field which 140 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.480 was like a parade ground there, and then on the 141 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.959 other side of that was all the cabins. Port of 142 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:31.079 this parade field is important, but I'll end this story 143 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.920 with that. And there's a little drainage ditch right before 144 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:37.360 you get to this hedge, and it had rained the 145 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.439 night before, so there was a little bit of water 146 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:43.160 running through there. Nothing that we couldn't jump over and 147 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:47.480 then dive under the bushes. That little stream is probably 148 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:51.560 twelve to fifteen feet off of those bushes, so we're running. 149 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:56.519 I was the first one and I jumped the stream, landed, 150 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:00.399 and the first thing that hit me was this obnoxious smell. 151 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.000 Everyone's heard this a million times, the wet dog e 152 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:10.120 Coom swamp nasty smell. Just shit to me in the 153 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:13.879 face like a wall. Right, one of the other kids 154 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:16.120 that's behind me, he jumps across and to hear him 155 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:19.439 go ooh, what's that smell. As soon as he said that, 156 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:24.959 it's like the hedgerow erupted. It just started shaking. It 157 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.279 was terrifying. I guess the best way to describe it 158 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:32.039 as like it exploded. Because we were running into the 159 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:36.039 setting sun, you could see whatever it was, and you 160 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:40.039 could see the find shoulders and head. Now keep in mind, 161 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:44.200 this headerow is about ten feet tall. This thing's got 162 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:48.399 its hands pulling it apart. Now at this point you 163 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:50.840 could look up and just see like the head and 164 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:55.639 like the traps, probably about eight eight and a half feet. 165 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:58.720 It was just monstrous, and they let out this god 166 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:03.840 awful roar, scream, roar. It was almost like it was 167 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:08.159 on multiple levels, like different factaves, and you could feel 168 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.720 it as much as you could hear it. We were 169 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:15.399 all frozen. Didn't even wait for it to stop yelling. 170 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.960 I looked to my right and the other two boys 171 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.759 are hauling butt down the hedgerowe. I just follow them. 172 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.519 I've never run so fast in my life across that field. 173 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.000 I was just afraid that this thing was going to 174 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:32.480 come after us. I kept looking back, but it never did. 175 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:36.000 It didn't chase us or anything. We got to the cabin, 176 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.960 people were like, what just happened to you? I told them, 177 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.120 and one of the other kids was like, yeah. The 178 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.919 third kid, who was the youngest, he was out of it. 179 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.480 His parents had to come pick him up because he 180 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.480 just couldn't handle it. And I don't know how or 181 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:53.840 why in my brain, I was scared, of course, but 182 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:55.559 it didn't feel like it was a threat because I 183 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:59.080 went later that night and slept over beyond that again. 184 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.799 But for some reason, I was scared of the instance 185 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:07.799 at the time, but I was not brightened afterwards. Now 186 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.279 I look back and I get a little bit of 187 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:14.879 pangs retelling the story because it was so I would 188 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.879 say traumatic, but that's not the right word, at least 189 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.240 not for me. Now for the other kids, I would 190 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:23.799 say it was traumatic. The other kid, I never saw 191 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:27.399 him again. We were friendly with each other, but I 192 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.559 saw him one out of their time. We acknowledged that 193 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.960 had happened, but he didn't want to talk about it, 194 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:37.440 and then two years later he passed away. I had 195 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:41.759 alluded earlier to this giant field. This is a kid's remembrance, 196 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:46.120 and I can't get any verification of this. I've looked online. 197 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.600 I've dug and dug, and I've tried to find people 198 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:54.360 that I was with at that camp. The scoutmasters passed away. 199 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:57.600 I can't find his son, who was the assistant scout master. 200 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:00.600 I know it's not there now, but at at that time, 201 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.519 there was like a statue, but it wasn't a statue. 202 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.240 It was a log, like a giant log that was 203 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:10.000 cut out like a chair. I can't even tell you 204 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.240 how big around it was. It was giant like. We 205 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:16.000 couldn't move it no way they needed, like giant machinery. 206 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.039 Was sitting in the middle of this field. And I'm 207 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.799 telling you that I had a plaque on it that 208 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.559 was alluding to the fact that there was a sasquatch 209 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:30.000 or bigfoot type creature that Native Americans used to talk about, 210 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:34.679 and that they would actually give them a young girl 211 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:38.519 once a year. A plaque was on that stump. I 212 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:40.639 don't know if I made that up to be honest, 213 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:42.639 it's a weird thing for me to just make up. 214 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.600 But I can tell you that stump is not there anymore. 215 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:47.879 You can look at satellite footage of it and it's 216 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.720 just not there. So I don't know if I imagine that, 217 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.279 but I thought it was interesting. Lower with the area, 218 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.919 there really is no lore that I can find, and 219 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:00.399 I'm a pretty decent researcher, and I can't find it. 220 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:02.799 I put that with the preface that it might be 221 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:05.279 my brain, but I don't think so. 222 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.799 Before we move into your other experiences, I want to 223 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.120 bring up a couple of things here that you mentioned. 224 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.039 First and foremost is the smell. It's always interesting to 225 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.919 me when I hear people talk about the smell, because 226 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.759 that's something that the legend of Boggi Creek obviously made 227 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.919 very famous or infamous, dependence on which way you look 228 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:29.679 at it, back in the early seventies. But it's honestly, 229 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:34.159 and probably i'd say maybe twenty five to thirty percent 230 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:38.480 of the encounters or experiences that I've documented, so it's 231 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:41.440 not a very common thing. If seventy five percent of 232 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:44.480 the people have experiences with these creatures and don't smell anything. 233 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.720 I think I've been pretty close to these things four times, 234 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.360 maybe six or eight times total in my life, and 235 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.519 I've never smelled anything that was weird or out of 236 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:57.799 the ordinary, except for a couple of times here on 237 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:02.200 the property, I've smelled what smells like like a wet horse, 238 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.320 kind of musky smell. 239 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:05.960 Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. 240 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:11.039 That's really weird because there's no horses within at least a. 241 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:12.240 Couple miles of us. 242 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.600 Could it have carried on the wind through the valleys 243 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:17.960 and over the hills and into the area where I 244 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:19.919 happen to be walking on our property. 245 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.919 That's possible. But outside of that. 246 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.600 I've never experienced anything, and I was ten feet away 247 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:28.240 from one of these things last summer. The smell is 248 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.679 always something that's fascinated me about these creatures. Let me 249 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:34.480 ask you this before we move on, because this is 250 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.440 really the only question that I've gotten to a point 251 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:39.320 where I ask people who experienced that. 252 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.559 Yeah, of course it's subjective, we don't know. 253 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:46.600 But do you think that is something that is environmental 254 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:48.919 or do you think it's something that they have the 255 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:53.840 ability to use as a defense mechanism. Some people have 256 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:57.320 postulated that they may have this gland under their arms, 257 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:02.000 very similar to great apes and other primates. Given what 258 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:04.200 you know now and the research that you've done in 259 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.559 your other experiences. Do you think that's something that is 260 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.039 environmental with these creatures or do you think it could 261 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.840 be something that they use as intimidation or maybe even 262 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:13.000 some sort of a display. 263 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:15.960 I think it might be a combination of both. And 264 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.679 part of that I think is geographical. I would think 265 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.399 that especially down south, like way downs up like Skunk 266 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:27.360 Cape territory like Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi. Being in the military, 267 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:30.639 I've marched through many a swamp and you smell like 268 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:34.480 that when you come out of it. That bacteria turnover, 269 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.840 and that's very similar to the smell we're talking about, 270 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:42.039 like sewage mixed with dog or something like that. I've 271 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.679 had two experiences where I smelled that smell, and I've 272 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.480 had two where I didn't. The two that I did, 273 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:53.000 I could see how it would be, like the way 274 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:57.480 it's skunk. He has it as a defense mechanism. Because 275 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:01.240 we happened upon this, I think it was just the 276 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.840 way that it reacted both times we happened upon it. 277 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.000 They were just as scared or shocked to see us 278 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:12.200 as we were shocked to see it. In my opinion, and. 279 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:14.600 Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see We'll be 280 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:16.399 right back after these messages. 281 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:22.840 That could be true, that could not. Now the other 282 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.360 two incidents, they were in control of all of it, 283 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:32.759 and those two situations were more on a woo the scale, 284 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:37.720 where the first two were totally out in the woods 285 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:41.320 in the middle of nowhere. The second one was the 286 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:44.240 first one was there at the camp. So I have 287 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.600 a feeling, and I've postulated that as well, is that 288 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:50.759 maybe it is a defense mechanism. I think it's just 289 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:51.919 as good a theory as any. 290 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:52.879 I agree. 291 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:55.279 Let's go into your next experience with these things. 292 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.360 This song, I've actually been asked not to go too 293 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:01.360 deeply into it, so it's going to be really quick. 294 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.240 It's when I was active duty military. I've told it 295 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.600 on another show and I got phone call, not from 296 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.039 some shadowy CIA or anything like that, but some guys 297 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:13.679 that I was with that were like, could you not, 298 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.799 So just to say it was identical almost to the 299 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.559 first one, except for we were in Alaska. It was 300 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:26.639 me and five other Marines. We were basically ran into 301 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.159 a Sasquatch. We weren't crawling under a hedgerow or anything, 302 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.320 but we were patrolling through a National forest in Alaska, 303 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:40.759 came across the smell roar, shaking the trees, could see 304 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.519 the outline perfectly. It was me and another guy, and 305 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.120 the third guy ran up when that happened. That's the 306 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.240 sanitized version, gotcha. 307 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.360 One of the things that fascinates me about Alaska is 308 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:58.480 there tends to be, at least in my experience, in 309 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:01.279 the tons of story that come out of there. Fred 310 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:06.200 from Subarctic Alaska, Sasquatch. Fred's been on the show. I 311 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:08.799 use some of his stories to give them a different 312 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.720 and broader audience. I usually put out one of Fred's 313 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.000 episodes every Sunday for the audience here on Sasquatch Odyssey, 314 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:19.119 and by and large, those experiences and encounters that he relays, 315 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:23.319 including his own, tend to be very aggressive. 316 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:25.200 Yes, I would agree. 317 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.839 These things are throwing things at people, They're trying to 318 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:33.279 bust into and sometimes busting into cabins. They're picking things up, 319 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:36.799 generators and tearing things up. I don't know what to 320 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.319 make of that, because I think one of two things 321 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:43.599 is going on here. Either some people are making up 322 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:48.640 these stories whole cloth just to be sensational with it, 323 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:53.599 or the flip side of that is, maybe these things 324 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.000 are happening in other areas and we're just not hearing 325 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.640 these stories for whatever reason. I don't know if it 326 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:01.359 has something to do with that the First Nations or 327 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:05.880 Native people's approach to the subject, they don't tend to 328 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.319 share those with a lot of people outside of their 329 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:14.160 villages or outside of their areas. Fred has this interesting 330 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.359 way of pulling those stories out of people because he 331 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:20.400 is part of the First Nations. Yeah, so I don't 332 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.960 know if that's something that's going on. Have you had 333 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:25.599 that same experience. Are you familiar with some of these 334 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:28.880 aggressive encounters that are happening in Alaska and do you 335 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:31.880 think that's something that's maybe happening in other areas and 336 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:33.119 we're just not hearing about it. 337 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.720 The weird part about that encounter is we were we 338 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.920 were carrying, we had full combat load at that time 339 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:43.240 because of what we were doing there. We had an 340 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.799 encounter with a moose earlier that day, so we were 341 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:51.000 triggered anyway, because moose man when they get angry, they're terrifying. 342 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:55.079 They are terrifying a giant, they're just so big. But 343 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:57.920 this thing, the only way that I can describe it 344 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:02.359 is the air just changed. I actually just chills thinking 345 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.000 about it. It was angry, and you could tell this 346 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.079 sasquatch was bigger than the one that I had encountered 347 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.880 seven years frier. The reason I know that is because 348 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:16.880 number one, I was bigger. Everything seemed so big when 349 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:19.920 you're little, right, I was a grown man at this point. 350 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:23.279 It had to have been nine feet tall, but it 351 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:27.839 was so wide. It was just massive, and when it 352 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:31.839 ran away, you could actually the first few footfalls you 353 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.039 could feel just as much as you could hear them, 354 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:39.400 and it went through the force like a freight train. Literally. 355 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:41.880 I don't have the pictures anymore. This is one of 356 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:46.400 my biggest regrets. Took pictures of the path that a 357 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:51.839 tourists getting out of there. Three four inch saplings just snapped, 358 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.759 just like you. Hear other stories about that too. That 359 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.720 one was scarier, But I never got the inkling to 360 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:01.160 pull the sugar. I don't know why. I think I 361 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:07.920 was just so shocked. We had heard other stories from 362 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:13.880 that area where allegedly some folks had gotten I wouldn't 363 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:18.200 say attacked, but there was like some serious bluff charging 364 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.799 type incidents going on in the area where we were operating. 365 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:25.799 I could tell you what that was offline, I just 366 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.680 can't tell you what it is on the air. So yes, 367 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:31.200 the answer to your question is yes, I've heard that 368 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.880 they're just more aggressive up there, and I don't know 369 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:39.359 if it's because there's less people maybe, who knows. There's 370 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.359 all kinds of theories. I got out of the military, 371 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.400 got in the law enforcement. Frankly, I didn't want anything 372 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.000 to do with the woods for years and years. I 373 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:50.559 think it was a combination of I did that enough 374 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.279 when I was in the military. We also, I think 375 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:57.039 maybe now that I look back hindsight's twenty twenty, I 376 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.160 look back in my mind and I go, I don't 377 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:01.559 want to run into one of these out there and 378 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:07.359 again because no, no thanks. So I just kept having 379 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.079 this urge. Later, once I got out of the security 380 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:15.799 and law enforcement, realm to get back into the woods 381 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:19.839 because I also find the woods very therapeutic. I have 382 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:23.119 a rooftop tent now. Just popping my tent, building the 383 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:26.359 fire and sitting there, that's enough for me. I don't 384 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:28.640 have to walk through the woods. I just I need 385 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:31.039 to be surrounded. It's the reason I like national forests, 386 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:34.839 because you can go in and find a disperse campsite 387 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:36.680 and just the park and you're done. There's not a 388 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:38.559 lot of rules. You don't to pay, you don't have 389 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:41.960 to do all these things. So I was like, you 390 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.519 know what, though, I need to find a hobby. This 391 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:49.079 is how my thought process was. I followed the BFRORO 392 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.319 for a while. Everyone has their opinion about BFRORO, but 393 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.920 it is what it is. They were the only ones 394 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:58.480 at the time that I knew of, at least In 395 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.039 the fall of twenty twenty too, COVID had gone down 396 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:03.920 and I needed to get back out in the woods, 397 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.240 so I signed up for an ex edition in the 398 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:12.319 Allegheny National Forest. Turned out that place is crazy. It's 399 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:15.440 a wild place. I went and met up with a 400 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:18.400 whole bunch of folks, some really good folks that I'm 401 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:21.079