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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to season four,

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Episode five of Clips and Dip your favorite Clippers podcast,

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hopefully or at least, at the very minimum, your third favorite,

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because there's not a whole lot of them. I am

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want to watch, just check us out at YouTube dot

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com slash at Clippers Podcast. What was there to talk about? Guys?

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What's coming going on? I've been my head's been buried

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in the sand for three weeks, popped out that long. Excited,

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just looking forward to a healthy training camp. That's it,

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healthy training camp. This should be a good, good preseason. Yeah,

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I don't know where. I guess I did kind of

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a temperature check on like the Kawhi situation for Clippers

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fans on our Twitter account, and some guy sent me

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something that made me feel sad, which was he was

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wearing a Clippers gear and he was walking down the

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street and some small child in the car driving by

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yelled out cheaters and just kept driving And that sucks.

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I hate Yeah, Clippers fans have to be going through

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this right now, purely from a fan perspective, especially if

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it's our doing.

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Speaker 2: If I'd say that guy yelling out the window, you know,

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maybe let a little due process happen.

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Speaker 1: The due process is happening. There was some new stuff

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that came out, specifically about Kawhi and Uncle Dennis. In

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twenty nineteen. Uncle Dennis wanted a piece of the Toronto

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maple leafs, apparently, which hey.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 1: We'll take it. Jake Fisher wrote a piece and they're

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kind of He mentioned that the Clippers behind the scenes

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are maintaining that this is mostly a denist thing, an

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Uncle Dennis thing. He said. The deal obviously has echoes

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of the demands Robertson reportedly sought from the Raptors representatives

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from multiple teams that pursued Leonard that Summer told me

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Robertson was chasing prohibited ownership stakes and skyhigh sponsorship deals

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as well. So this is a thing since twenty nineteen

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that supposedly has been asked for it from Uncle Dennis,

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and now people are thinking there was.

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Speaker 2: An investigation in twenty nineteen regarding this very thing.

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Speaker 3: So right, it's well documented.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is well documented. He added he's heard some

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around the world league adopt what has deemed the basically

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the Mark Cuban defense of this argument that supports Balmber.

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It's basically that Bomber was scammed astration John to be

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a fraudulent company that would be investigated. They got fined

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like two hundred whatever billion dollars. The Clippers condition condition

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position continues to be we were scammed and it was Leonard,

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through his own representation, who struck his own no show

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deal with a double dealing company. They welcome the investigation

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obviously because it would You can't say anything else other

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than please investigate us. I don't know. Will, how are

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you feeling about the whole thing. You're a you're a lawyer, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean I got these new glasses so I could

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pour through some legal documents.

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Speaker 3: Makes sense.

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Speaker 4: It is a strange one because when the news first

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came out, it's like, Wow, that certainly is a smoking gun.

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That looks very, very bad. The additional follow up report

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from Pabloatoria specifically about like a two million dollar amount,

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which I don't know. We can break down later, but

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basically it implicates further people directly within the Clippers organization

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technically allegedly, you know, like not necessarily directly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So that deal just real quick if you missed it. Yeah,

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well Kawhi was owed two million dollars and then a

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Clippers they use the term co owner, which I think

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is an editorial choice to call this person a co

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owner Balmer, you know what I mean, Balmer owned technically

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probably a co owner. I think when you see co

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owner you think like a fifty to fifty split or something.

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This guy's an investor in the team, obviously part of

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the ownership group that isn't Balmer. So Kawhi was, oh

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two million, then this guy paid aspiration one point seven

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to five million, and Kawhi got paid that one seven

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five That is what the fighting were, sorry just.

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Speaker 3: For those and within nine days.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: It also coincided with like his knees soreness ship.

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Speaker 4: That was like a so that that report I saw too,

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someone was saying that Kawhi was holding out on this

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two million dollars and that he had only appeared in

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twenty six percent of the games or something up to

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that point, and then after that was paid. That is

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absolute bunk. I'm sorry, that's strawn. That's drawn way too

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many conclusions. A guy like I get to two million

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dollars is a lot of money, but like a guy

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who has made that much money and has that much

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on the line is not purposefully sitting out waiting around

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for two million dollars. I'm so sorry, Like I understand

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that that it's juicier to draw a lot of conclusions.

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Speaker 2: But Okay, it's almost like he's just coming back from

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an acl and there was this ramp up process that

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we all knew was happening, like how he came up

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the bench in the first game. Is this really We're yeah,

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that's that's that's way too.

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Speaker 4: Far's I guess the thing, like the silver lining, the

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thing that I keep coming back to is we will

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have to see pending the investigation. But it does seem

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like this Aspiration company was clearly involved in mass financial fraud,

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uh and it and they are being punished for it,

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and that, like you know, there are these very serious

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charges and I think that that if you're feeling really

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down about this whole thing, like that has to be

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sort of the only silver lining is that, like this

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company seems like it was so.

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Speaker 3: Backwards I do think there's something.

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Speaker 4: That tlopers could be, you know, separate.

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Speaker 2: There is something to me to comparing them to a

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normal company, which I think a lot of people are doing.

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It's like, why would they give kwy all this money?

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It's like, why would they do any of this stuff?

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They defrauded a bunch of people. Like, you can't compare

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works of a functional company. It's not the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that being said, there's a couple of smoking guns

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here that don't feel good.

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Speaker 4: And also there's a lot of smoke. I'll say that, like,

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you know, I don't know if it directly connects to

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the Clippers, but exactly, boys, there are a lot of smoke.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of smoke. And I also there was

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someone who was tweeting at us who was like, could

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you try and find out Pablo's Tori's motive for this?

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Like an it's not an anti Clippers thing. It's an

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anti I think NBA thing as a whole, you know, Like,

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it's not I don't.

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Speaker 4: It's an anti like rich owners thing. It's an anti

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collusion thing. It's I mean, this is the kind of

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thing if you walked across the story like this and

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you had the time and do or resources to explore it.

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I absolutely would, even if it was against the Clippers, Yes,

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because that is worth investigating. Like, these are things that

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should be looked at. Man, Like it doesn't it And

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if it does turn out that that they were involved,

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and if we do get doc picks and stuff like that,

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that sucks. That's not Pablo Tori's b and that and

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like and and I stand by it, like that still

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should have been investigated, even if we end up losing

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something over this, because like, yeah, that, I mean, I

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get it that, like stuff happens behind back doors and

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we're all supposed to like turn our head the other

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way and be like, Okay, that's fine. But like there's

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a lot of issues in the world, and I just

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think that, like you get, like, wherever you find something

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like this, if you come across it and you can

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investigate it, you absolutely should and you absolutely should break

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it to light. So like, I'm not mad at Pablo

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for any of this.

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Speaker 2: Steve Balmer when asked on ESPN, if it was somebody

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else getting these accusations, what would you want to have

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but he said, I would want this to be investigated totally.

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So this is about a level playing field and fairness,

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and it is worth investigating looking into the conclusion that

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Pablo seems to be coming too may very much different

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differ from the one the NBA eventually comes to it investigation.

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Speaker 4: And the only flaw so far that I've seen, and again,

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nothing but the almost respect for publatorya obviously like an

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incredible credible journalists despite what Bill Simmons says. The only

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thing is like the stuff that seems to be directly

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like colluding with the ideas of cap circumvention are interviews

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with employees, and I think like interviews with employees of

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the fraudulent company who are only getting information from the

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guys who are being investigated for fraud. I just kind

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of feel like, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with

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Publatory's motives and looking at those, but I'm just saying,

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maybe they don't have those sources, might not have the

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full view of the situation in the scenario, is all

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I'm saying. Because they're being told something by like the

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wrong end of this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: And they got screwed over by the wrong end of

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that whole thing because unfortunately a lot of people I'm

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assuming lost their jobs because of the fraud that aspiration.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he presented these seven sources he had and two

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that went anonymously behind the scenes with the voice modulator,

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with him on record.

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Speaker 3: So to speak.

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Speaker 2: He presented them as those were true believers in the

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company and the cause, so therefore you should trust them

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because they weren't part of the investigation, or maybe they

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weren't cleared. They had nothing to do with that company

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defrauding anyone. They were working behind the scenes as good

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people that were trying to get this climate change issue

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worked out.

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Speaker 3: That's that's how he presented it.

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Speaker 1: And then those people got burned. So I can I

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can understand them having some feeling, some type of way

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towards the company to make it look a little worse.

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Speaker 3: That's what it was.

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Speaker 1: Because if you were a true believer, because right, so

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in that sense.

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Speaker 3: Why do you clippers though?

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Speaker 2: Like that, like, why why are they taking astray if

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you don't believe what you're saying?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's fair, that's what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I don't know it.

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Speaker 1: There's so many Adam, we talked about on the stream

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a little bit, uh a week ago, like probably sure

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what time of just like it's a poorly run company.

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I don't know, man, not just poorly run, like miserably run.

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They've lost hundreds of millions of dollars enterprise.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly. And these things I like that Adam

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are up that point, like this isn't operating like a

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normal company. Like in any way.

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Speaker 1: It sucks for me because it also feels like for

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some reason, which we will find out from this investigation,

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not the public opinion. One I think, unfortunately, we already

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know where we're at with that is like, why did

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the Clippers kind of do a couple of things that

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to me outsider obviously seem to follow the pattern of

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a company that's run like shit? I guess, like like

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with the two million dollar thing, And I'm not saying

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it was used to circumvent the cap, but I'm just like, god,

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it seems like there were to me, someone who has

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a degree in history from the University of Montana, not

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business like. There's just the smoking guns, Like we said,

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there's just some things where I'm like, why did you

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have to do that? Part?

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Speaker 3: To me, I don't know which way this is going

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to go, but.

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Speaker 2: I think it's understandable. I think a company like this

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comes along because they're offering something so appealing, and that's

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why so many people want to get on board with it.

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Reduce reducing carbon footprints and everything, and that's why people

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can have, you know, a real energy g enthusiasm for

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the cause. I was the wrong people behind it. That

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could be what we're looking at here and that we'll

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see and itally, it wasn't just the Clippers. It wasn't

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just Steve Balmer. A lot of people believed in this well.

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Speaker 4: I mean it just has echoes of like an ft

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X or something like that. We're like, you have like

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legitimate financial institutions, uh, and people who have like done

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due diligence and worked in finance for years backing this thing,

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and it must well I mean like that that's you know,

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whether certain members were that's a whole. But in any sense,

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anytime there's fraud on this level, someone is getting caught

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holding the bag like what you know, you know, whether

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who knows what they knew. I mean that that's going

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to take a much like a much further investigation. But yeah,

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it could just be that they got over eager to

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invest in in something that sounded sounded good and I

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is this is so useless, but I want

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to mention it. We mentioned on the stream last time

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that there's a great King the Hill episode about carbon

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offsets and everyone should go watch it. It's called Earthly

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Girls Are Easy. It's season thirteen, episode two, phenomenal episode.

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Speaker 4: Louis Keane also did Louis Keen a great uh yeah,

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Louis man. He also looked into this years ago, not

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from the not from the potential caps or convention angle,

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but he looked at Aspiration and these claims that were

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being there at the time that this was gonna be

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a zero carbon emission arena, and he did some due

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diligence on this company and looking into it, and there

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was just no way that that was true. There was

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no such thing.

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Speaker 3: You get to be true, it might not be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I do wonder if some of the Clippers

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eagerness to invest this amount of money in this wasn't

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to try to. I mean, look like they got this

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stadium in here pretty fast, and you know, I think it.

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Speaker 1: Was privately fund big part of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but we can all agree that like some of

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the ways they might have circumvented some certain some some

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local legislation was coming in.

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Speaker 1: Meetings during COVID that.

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Speaker 4: Coming in with some very big promises and some very

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good ideas, right like coming in with this idea of

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zero emissions, coming in with they're gonna employ X amount

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of people from the you know, local Englewoo community. They're

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gonna have local uh, you know, restaurants and vendors and

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that sort of thing. And I just wonder if putting

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together a package like that, you know, you see something,

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you see a company like Aspiration, or you you see

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an opportunity to reduce your carbon emissions, and maybe you

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get a little gung ho about the idea or what

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this company is promising, because it does it does enhance

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the quality of your package. Because I do think look,

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if there was something, if anything, there was any impropriety

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it would be more in line with something along the

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lines of putting in an arena versus trying to like

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in a really dumb way, Yeah, in a really dumb way,

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trying to circumvent the cap. And that's the other silver

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lining I guess is that like if the Clippers had

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done this through Rachelle Corporation. There's no way in hell

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that they let that company file for bankruptcy, right, Like

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there's I'm just like they would know they would have

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to release all of their creditors. Like it's not it's

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not a mystery. It's not like ohn, like, oh, what's

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gonna happen? Like if this was truly a shell corporation

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in the sense that it was an arm in the

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Clippers organization, as people are kind of alleging, why would

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they ever let it go bankrupt? Like it just it

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doesn't really make sense to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, today there was another article from The Athletic talking

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about another payment from Steve Balmer. My interpretation was it was.

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Speaker 3: That there was.

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Speaker 2: A group of investors and he put this much in

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and a lot of people put a bunch of money

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in in twenty twenty three, and it sounded like, I

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believe this is correct, like they were. That might have

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been like the last ditch effort to save the company.

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Speaker 3: But now you're talking about what was the.

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Speaker 2: Exact that are you pulling it up check from today?

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Because there was an exact number that Bomber put in

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that the article read, and it was it's like, wait

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a second. So first it was he put in fifty

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million to match million, Okay, just under ten million. So

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if your argument is Steve Bomber put in fifty Kawhi

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gets forty eight, that can't be a coincidence. If that's

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where you're coming from, why is he putting in another

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ten million?

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Speaker 3: Why that money doesn't match?

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Speaker 2: Now, and it looks like that is a group of

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investors getting together the original investors, trying to save the

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company there. I don't know if that looks to me

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on its surface from what I saw in the article

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as some type of uh re routing of funds. Yeah,

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that's not the impression I got from what I saw

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there today. And then also what came out today that

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I thought was interesting was there was there was specificity

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to some of the stuff they were going to do

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with Kawhi with promotions. Had he done anything, it was

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in the contract. I didn't see the specifics when Pablo,

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I could be wrong, initially did the first podcast that

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was eighty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no specifics.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there are outs to get out of

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to get out of doing this stuff. I don't think

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he's pointed to there was this specific thing. They were

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going to use him for eight hours here or two

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hours there.

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Speaker 3: It's like that that seems a little bit different to me.

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Speaker 1: It's also weird too. Appearance fees are some of the

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weirdest things you can negotiate if you're if you've known anyone,

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like it's you can get and I'm not like letting

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the clippers off the hook or anything like that, but like,

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appearance fees are very weird, you know what I'm saying.

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It's like, to your point, like two hour hours here,

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depending what the audience is, you can negotiate a higher feat.

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So it's like, I like the points that you're making

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where it's like the nine point nine nine nine. Hopefully

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that wasn't done to skirt some kind of trigger for

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the amount done. Feels like dude, okay. And the crazy

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thing is Balmer can be like, fine, here's ten million dollars.

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That's nothing to him, which is crazy. So that to me,

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to your point, Adam, feels like a last ditch. Here,

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here's ten million. If you can't make this shit work,

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I guess we got screwed or something like that, you

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know what I mean, Because ten million dollars for someone

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with one hundred and fifty billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: Is like eighty eight dollars to us.

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Speaker 1: Or something, you know what I mean, Like it's growth,

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which is.

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Speaker 3: How I interpreted today's article. That's how I saw it.

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Speaker 2: And I thought the information, the specifics about what Kauhi

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was going to do for them, that was kind of

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a revelation to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the what's the opposite of a smoking gun,

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sleepy gun, sleepy gun, that's the sleepy gun. To put

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this all to bed, I have I've made, I've I've

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held back on a couple of smoking gun jokes myself.

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Speaker 2: This was just and I think I was gonna make

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like a sex pistols reference or something.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So and there is there was the Bord of Governors

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meeting on Tuesday. Adam Silver said a couple of things

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that we're going to talk about, but this one's pertinent.

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That says we brought in the big guns for the investigation.

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They hired the law firm of watch All, Lipton, Rosen

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and Cats, which, if you're not familiar with big law,

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which is what it's called in the lawyer sphere, this

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is the number one spot if you want to make

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money as a lawyer. This is where you go. There's

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charting salary is like two hundred and sixty thousand dollars

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for like day one, you're making during sixty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like it's based on billable hours and

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you end up happening to you You're like have to

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work Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two hours a week. Oh dude, sixty from what

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I've read, is low on this billable hours meter. This

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is going to take a long time, I think to

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that point because if there's one thing lawyers love, it's

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billable hours. And if you're working for the if you're

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the firm working for the NBA.

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Speaker 4: But this is why, this is why for fans who

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want to watch a single team, it's getting so expensive

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they have to pay these lawyers. Okay, so you can't

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get to cough up the money or you can watch

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highlights on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna talk about that in the next segment.

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Silver said, you know, the feedback during the governor's meeting

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from the other governors is.

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Speaker 4: I hate that we call them that.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's insane. What's being said to me is

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a reservation of judgment. That's what you have a league

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office for We've also heard zach Lowe kind of reframe

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what he thought, because two weeks ago or like a

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week ago, Zach low was like slap on the wrist,

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and then recently he was like, it's probably going to

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be a first round pick and some other stuff. So

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I think Adam you mentioned this earlier. Now it's kind

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of murky, of like where like the NBA is in

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and I'm sure this is what the most expensive lawyer

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firm in the entire country said. They're in a bit

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of a pickle.

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Speaker 2: Well, people have said before early on in this that well,

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the other owners are going to be worried about the

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skeletons in their clause is if they open up investigations there,

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so they may not want to be tough on the Clippers.

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Some of those owners, I'm guessing, are the same ones

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that wanted the second apron to slow down the Clippers

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and Steve Ballmer's spending all. A lot of this comes down,

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I think, and Adam Silver mentioned this too.

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Speaker 3: He works for the owners, so it's.

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Speaker 2: A really unique situation where he's punishing people he works for,

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and is he going to do the majority? Is he

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going to handle them, or is he going to handle

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is he going to help Steve Balmer like, or is

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he just going to be as perfectly unbiased as you

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can be in a non court of law, which is

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the NBA world.

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Speaker 3: They didn't break a law. They broke a rule.

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Speaker 1: Here, right exactly.

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Speaker 3: I think some people are confused about that too.

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Speaker 2: And the burden of proof seems to be low according

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to the NBA by laws, where it doesn't have to

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be direct evidence. It can be circumstantial evidences.

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Speaker 3: And as we keep.

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Speaker 2: Talking about smoking guns or there's all these little things

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and that's a lot of circumstantial evidence. It could feel

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like and if does he take into account twenty fifteen

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with DJ, does he take into account them being investigated

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in twenty nineteen? Do they reopen the twenty nineteen investigation

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because they said if they found anything of interest they

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could reopen that. I have no idea but to something

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you said earlier, Chuck, feeling worse about it this week

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some people and I did a show yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Of course, a lot of stuff going on, and I.

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Speaker 2: Was probably, yeah, I wasn't in the best mood, or

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maybe it's just we're fatigued already and a little bit exhausted.

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I'm not defeated, but I do feel a little bit

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exhausted because we talk basketball and this isn't our area

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of expertise. We much rather be talking about the upcoming

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training camp media day, and now when people mention media day,

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it has a different connotation to it, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, which problatory is probably going to be a media day.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting. Then think about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably going to be a media day.

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Speaker 3: Maybe.

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Speaker 1: So the exhaustion is what gets me because as a

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fan and I'm not this isn't a commentary on what

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Palmer did. This is kind of guess the commentary in

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kind of the public, the court of public opinion, right

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in the court of opinion historically not favorite and now

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we have like this kind of tail end of the

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two to one three era, which I don't think any

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one would disagree with me. This is the tail end

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of if you want to call it, the Kawhi era

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or the two and three era, whatever that trade era.

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We came in with so much, so many great vibes

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for this preseason. It's the unction. Haha, we're old. Maybe

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it'll work. This is fun.

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Speaker 3: We got maybe the best clipper ever back in CB.

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Speaker 1: Three exactly now, it's just like, right, there's also this happening,

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and again purely from the I'm not it just is like.

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Speaker 2: It's just a it's a dark cloud over a great

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off season, a sunny off season somehow, And I think, honestly,

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and people can call me a homer or a company

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man for saying this. I think the main reason Steve

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Ballmer went on ESPN last week is to say like,

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I'm with you. I'm with you, the fans that are

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dealing with this, and he wants people to know that.

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He said, we want everybody to know that we do

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00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,839
things the right way and they want to be above approach.

476
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,960
I think a lot of that was him addressing the

477
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,839
fans and letting them know that we're, you know, in

478
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,319
this together right now, and that's what feels like the

479
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,759
only you know, some of the times, just talking with

480
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:27,599
fans that are going through the same thing right now

481
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:30,359
with the Clippers and it's not, you know, it's not

482
00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:32,880
the end of the world. We'll get through this and

483
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,359
this too shall pass. But it's been good at least

484
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,960
to be in community a little bit. And I think

485
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,279
maybe that's part of the reason we're doing this show tonight.

486
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: Because I feel for the guy who got called. You

487
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,519
know what I'm saying, Like it's like this wasn't us.

488
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,960
It's not like they pulled the fans or like should

489
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,599
we should we potentially circumvent the camp to keep Kawai

490
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:56,279
because rosis probably would have voted no, like should we

491
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,880
risk that? Like, I don't know, man, it I keep seeing. Also,

492
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,599
there's this funny thing like there's been a bunch of

493
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:07,240
new Clippers merch dropping, but it's like not this should

494
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,279
be a time when people on Clippers Twitter and Clippers

495
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:12,319
fans are like, oh, got this, got this, got this.

496
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:15,480
Now we just have to, like will said, pretend that

497
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:23,200
we know something about fucking contract law, Like it's a strain.

498
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a distraction.

499
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: So it is a distraction from hoops, which upsets me.

500
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:35,559
Forty days till the opening seats still opening tip, I guess,

501
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,920
or thirty days.

502
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, man.

503
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: Two, I hope all the Clippers fans are holding it down.

504
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:45,920
I hope you guys should doing okay. Also, don't feel

505
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,359
that you have to defend the it's a billionaire, I guess, Like,

506
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:51,680
I don't know, man, it's such a weird spot to

507
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:58,000
be in too, because like, if they did something wrong, yeah,

508
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,720
they should be punished.

509
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's fair.

510
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: I also sure, no, yeah, I'm not using it, but

511
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,319
there's a part of Clipper Nation of course we want

512
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,960
to believe in Balmer. He took away the worst owner

513
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,680
in sports history.

514
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,319
Speaker 3: Maybe close.

515
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: They got one laid. That old mean lady who owned

516
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,599
the Rents was a real piece of work. She didn't

517
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:26,920
even pay for their world series. That's just crazy. She

518
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:31,319
was like, no, sorry.

519
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: But Balmer to us because he is so outspoken from

520
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,000
one fan to another, as is written there outside in

521
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,599
the plaza, one super fan to another, like his passion

522
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,799
is is meaningful to this franchise. So this is a

523
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:47,079
big deal in that respect.

524
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,839
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I.

525
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: I it resonated with me where he was coming from

526
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,480
going on ESPN less than twenty four hours maybe twenty

527
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,960
four hours later. I think the reason was to address

528
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,920
the fans and that that meant something to me.

529
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:05,519
Speaker 3: We'll see what comes out of all this.

530
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, how will you feel about it? If

531
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,279
it turns out they were just.

532
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,359
Speaker 2: One hundred guilty of Yeah, then obviously I would be

533
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,359
greatly disappointed.

534
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,079
Speaker 1: I will burn my Gingham shirt.

535
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: And and I'm open to any outcome. Like people think

536
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:27,519
I'm biased, because guys, I'm open to any outcome. You

537
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,480
have to be you have to try to be as

538
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,119
unbiased as possible with these things and root for the

539
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:33,160
truth to come out.

540
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, any final thoughts before we do a quick

541
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,519
break and then talk about Bogden's injury.

542
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: M hm, you don't leave a paper trick, thank you,

543
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440
not saying that anyone did.

544
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: Don't leave. Don't leave a sleeping gun, don't leave a

545
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,720
smoking gun. All right, come up, We're gonna talk a

546
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:02,880
little bit about the Boggin injury and if we're too

547
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,880
worried about it after these breaks, if you want to

548
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,640
watch us without the audio breaks, you can find us

549
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,880
at YouTube dot com at Clippers Podcast audio right coming

550
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,119
up in three two one.

551
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,759
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back in to Cliffs and we're actually

552
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,480
back and talking basketball, which we know a little bit

553
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:24,839
more about, not much, but yeah, kicking things off. Uh,

554
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,160
you know, looking at the bench, looking at uh, looking

555
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,720
for a lack of a scoring a scoring punch. How

556
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:36,279
worried should we be about the Bogdan Charles.

557
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was kind of free. I was finding

558
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,640
something to freak out about clippers wise that wasn't perhaps

559
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:43,559
violating salary cap.

560
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:50,079
Speaker 2: Worse the old major Pain move where something major is

561
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,640
hurting your leg and he breaks your pinky, Like now

562
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,680
you can focus on that, man.

563
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:58,839
Speaker 1: Good movie. Underrated movie. I would say Major Pain maybe

564
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:01,960
properly rated. No underrated. People hated it.

565
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: Better than Army now I think the same time.

566
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: I remember, I think.

567
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,599
Speaker 1: It might be better than in the Army and that

568
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,279
was pretty good.

569
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:18,119
Speaker 4: And yeah, talk about someone beyond reproach.

570
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was on the aspiration board. Those

571
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,599
are you know what, I'm gonna revisit tonight. I'm gonna

572
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,359
watch both of them back back to back. It I'm

573
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:27,960
gonna do a lot.

574
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: Just watch stripes.

575
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:33,519
Speaker 1: Man looking man, I'm telling you the movie Patreon could

576
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:37,839
be a real thing. So scoring Juice off the bench,

577
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,960
Bogden is injured. We're still not clear on the timeline, right,

578
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,799
and I'm like, we don't have like any more info

579
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,960
than the rough translation that said he ruptured his hamstring.

580
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,200
But everyone was like, that's just what the translation is.

581
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: The game's recorded, we know when it happened.

582
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,039
Speaker 1: Well, but you know what I mean, Like for timeline,

583
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:55,799
I guess.

584
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: Saying the will to injuries.

585
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, but it's going to be a hamstring is

586
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,799
like probably one of the wider soft tissue timelines you

587
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:06,240
can have.

588
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: So two to three months is what we heard. Sure.

589
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, is his scoring juice off the bench mitigated by

590
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,039
just putting Beal in with more bench heavy lineups, Yeah,

591
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,400
I mean, you'll kind of do his thing more offensively.

592
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: Bogie's one of the guy we've talked about if they're healthy,

593
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,599
he's out of the rotation, like he's one of those guys.

594
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: So if he's the one.

595
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: That's your supposed to be your GUYE.

596
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: I love Bogey, but I know the packing order of

597
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,000
the roster with the summer they had, and I think

598
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,759
he would be out of the inter nine man rotation

599
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,440
during the regular season when healthy.

600
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Speaker 3: I do think his shooting is needed. They're going to

601
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,200
need him at some point.

602
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,359
Speaker 2: He needs to get healthy and he needs to look

603
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,599
like himself too, not just be healthy, it would be

604
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,640
a fraction of himself.

605
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,519
Speaker 3: He needs to he needs to get right.

606
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: So maybe silver lining as it happened now, you can

607
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,119
get it out of the way, and if you start

608
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,240
the season healthy, if everybody else you know, you're not

609
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,400
pushing Bogie to come back soon and he can really

610
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,119
rest up and get ready for the long haul.

611
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 4: Mercury lining would be we're not healthy and really need

612
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:21,279
him and the timeline is longer.

613
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,079
Speaker 1: Than you think. It's we're not doing mercury linings on

614
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:28,119
this show. We've invented two new terms, which is sleeping gun,

615
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,960
which we are going to use, and mercury lining, which

616
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,000
I hope you never use again. Great, great call. I

617
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:37,680
will say.

618
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: That I'm thinking mercury rising when Brady comes back.

619
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:45,119
Speaker 1: And yeah, well, what's what's in retrograde? Right, that's what

620
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:50,799
matters in terms of when he comes back. So yeah,

621
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,119
I was like, I was thinking, it is like a

622
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,920
full bench lineup would be CP three, Bradley Beal, Derek

623
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,559
Jones Junior, Niko batoum In Brook, Lopez.

624
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:07,839
Speaker 2: Uh, Chris Dunns out first.

625
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:16,039
Speaker 1: I guess if you need scoring, yes, Kris, shut the fuck. No,

626
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,519
if you need scoring, I guess because Chris dun Chris

627
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,760
Dunn and CP three is the back court. I'm not

628
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,920
sure how I feel about that.

629
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,119
Speaker 3: Offensively, No, I get it. I said, it's crazy.

630
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,679
Speaker 1: I guess we were right. That's a good call out.

631
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: We're all arguing for to change the rule about defensive

632
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,760
player awards because of this guy.

633
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 3: Now it's like, hey, you could be out of the

634
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,880
lineup a lot. I mean he might, I know, I know.

635
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,480
It speaks to the depth of this team and.

636
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,199
Speaker 1: The reality of the NBA. We're like, like, think about Bogden, right,

637
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,280
Like we talked about Bogden should really only be shooting.

638
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:56,760
He shouldn't. We shouldn't be like he's pretty good at

639
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,079
the pick and roll. Not his job, right, Like Boggan's

640
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:04,679
job isn't to run the offense. He shouldn't he And

641
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,719
I mean this respectfully.

642
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,559
Speaker 2: But if you only are a specialist out there, I

643
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:13,519
don't know how much Eric Paikowski is playing in today's league.

644
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,519
Speaker 3: You have to be the.

645
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: Multi defensive rating with certain lineups. And I will get

646
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:23,559
back that why are we Why is he catching astray?

647
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: I was pointed, look up the ones with Lamar.

648
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess where he is. Where is they got

649
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:37,960
some tough ship to figure out lineup wise? Because that

650
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:46,800
does the really does affect Chris Dunn's minutes, Uh, Like

651
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,000
don and I.

652
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: Don't know, I don't know.

653
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,519
Speaker 2: I think done and CP three can plain honestly, I don't.

654
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:58,920
I don't see that Chris Dunn can bring them up

655
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,599
sometimes so the forty year old does not have to

656
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:09,519
bring the ball up all the time. I mean, we

657
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:15,039
saw that this year making hostile plays.

658
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: It's just that that court.

659
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: They're growing up against other teams second units that also

660
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,760
aren't going to be perfectly optimized. When we're talking about

661
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,320
first of all, I.

662
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Don't know often that's what I'm clinging to.

663
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, also we're talking about a five man second unit,

664
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,039
like his doc Rivers still coaching the team.

665
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 3: People really still do that very often. You put I

666
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:46,599
think it.

667
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:48,679
Speaker 1: Was Joseph talking about it. Deal with the second unit.

668
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,039
I think it's going to be fun, right.

669
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,079
Speaker 2: But Beal's still a starter and he'll play a lot

670
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,239
with the second unit. Okay, I thought you did, like

671
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,000
who are the five coming off the beach?

672
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 4: And yeah, if the Clippers losing this investigation, they have

673
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,559
to only do hockey style. Yeah, I believe is what

674
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,320
I read as a possible punishment.

675
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: One of the punishment. You can only do five guys,

676
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,639
five guy changes full.

677
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: Life silver has broad power. You said that.

678
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: I guess it's interesting to see the I mean the

679
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,800
bogmin injury. It proves though that like this is why

680
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,119
you have depth. People were talking about trades, Clippers fans.

681
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:29,039
Some Clippers fans in the off season, we'll talk about, well,

682
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:31,159
we have so much death, we should probably make a move.

683
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,400
How long have you been a fan of this team?

684
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,079
Depth means nothing to a lot of teams. Depth and

685
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:41,239
I mean that respect Like depth, you hold on your

686
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,119
depth unless there's some huge splash trade or something like that.

687
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: Uh, what would you guys rather be getting tagged in

688
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,719
in the off season some insane trade machine screenshots or

689
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:56,719
pictures of an Aspiration KWHI bobblehead that is supposed to

690
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,000
prove that they in fact did peg gian It wasn't

691
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:01,880
a no show thing.

692
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:07,159
Speaker 1: Stop sending me that. It also is, as Joey Lynn

693
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,760
rightfully pointed out, he was like, hey, if this is

694
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,320
the only Aspiration sponsored bibblehead, this doesn't look good for

695
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,159
the Clippers. Thank you Joey Lynn for that.

696
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:24,639
Speaker 2: Like, because those are those are team issued. They also

697
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,760
had a deal with Aspiration as a team. The bobbleheads

698
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,039
aren't done individually. Like, uh, Reggie Jackson, I don't think

699
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:34,800
I had to deal with Kia yet.

700
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: On his bibblehead.

701
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 2: It might say Kia, like that's okay, fine, I'm just saying.

702
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: Kia Reggie's actually that's what they should call her cards.

703
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,920
But that's sorry, Adam, you are correct with your point, Like,

704
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,400
it's just that's how that shit goes.

705
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,639
Speaker 2: It was that getting five hundred likes also was disheartening.

706
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:59,400
It's like, guys, you are on the wrong trail to

707
00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:59,800
try to.

708
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: Prove somehow cycle back, Like today I got tagged in again.

709
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:04,239
I was.

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Speaker 4: Day What do you guys think I'm gonna do it?

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Speaker 3: Dude?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, someone's like, investigate Pablo's motive. I'm like, what the

713
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fuck are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: Story?

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Speaker 1: And have you ever watched this show? We're not We're

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not long form investedative journalists for basketball geniuses.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you guys want to give us a few bucks, No,

718
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,039
we'll try out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have jobs.

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Speaker 2: If we don't have the little Pablo's thoughts thing when

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he takes a little off shoot break.

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Speaker 1: Or all right, so we've solved the scoring juice off

723
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,199
the bench problem. Any Adam, we know you gotta get

724
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:53,679
out of here. Does any of us do we want

725
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:55,400
to talk about the Adam Silver thing? Or do we

726
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,760
want to talk about one of us bringing a delicious.

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Speaker 3: Dip, which Adam silvers and.

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Speaker 1: He basically Adam Silver was asked about the rising cost

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00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,239
to watch a season of NBA games as a fan

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of a particular team, considering all the games on either

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cable or streaming services. He said that there are a

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bunch of games that will go on free broadcast TV,

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and fans can also consume the league in other ways

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besides watching games. Noting that the NBA is a highlight league.

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Speaker 3: I do think I get it.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is up in arms about that, as if I've

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never scrolled through x looking for a highlight from a

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00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,559
dunk that somebody already posted on there and said, oh,

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00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:43,480
this was crazy, and then I'm looking for it like

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that does happen, And to be fair, everyone is ignored

741
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,760
the first part where they have like seventy more network

742
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TV games than they did last season. That is accurate

743
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what he said because NBC.

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Speaker 3: That is accurate.

745
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Speaker 1: But I think the sentiment being like it's a highlight league.

746
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It's like but also like.

747
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Speaker 4: Playing it a little bit of blackout dates and and

748
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,800
all the blackout dates and stuff, and some teams get

749
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,840
in some markets get like exceptionally boned. Like I know, yeah,

750
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,760
Denver is like absolutely shrewd. Even if you pay for

751
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,360
League Pass you can watch like a handful of games

752
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,679
because of like all the other deals and.

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Speaker 1: Stuff like blackout blackouts. It's just like he's It's not

754
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on the level of what Manfred said about the World

755
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:33,440
Series Trophy, which was it's just a piece of metal,

756
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,719
go fuck yourself up bread. But it's just kind of

757
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,239
like it feels like that's kind of the direction of

758
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,280
the league has been going a bit in terms of

759
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,800
like our product is highlights and you're.

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Speaker 3: Like it was it was to dis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had his bald foot in his mouth.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it was the end of the world.

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people are using it

764
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for easy engagement.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna have Adam Silver's face on the

767
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,639
thumbnail for this for sure, and also just find another

768
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:13,519
way to watch him. That's something in my eye.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm okaye, is your you just scro.

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Speaker 1: Can watch any basketball game I want, any league. I'm

771
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,119
talking Polska all right.

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Speaker 4: It does seem like international fans, though at least someone

773
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:34,519
I can't remember if they were from New Zealand or what.

774
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,679
But they said they pay uh ninety nine dollars a

775
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,920
year for League Pass and they get all eighty two

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games of all thirty tea.

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Speaker 3: No, that's real.

778
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 2: All right, if you're you know, if you're outside of Marcus,

779
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they don't have to worry.

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Speaker 4: You know, there are ways to have an IP as

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though you do live in New Zealand and perhaps pay

782
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,119
for League Pass through those channels. I don't know. I

783
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,840
just heard what you're talking about. I've heard this.

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Speaker 1: That is a m very cute, that is a very

785
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:17,360
peculiar nuance, if you will, All right, did we bring

786
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,320
any dips? I did not. Had a very busy week.

787
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I was on vacation, and when I came back at

788
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:24,679
a short week, I got to go to a conference.

789
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,039
I couldn't put the proper dedication to the next dip

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that I wanted to. And I apologize for that and

791
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,719
will come back better. Adam, did you bring a dip

792
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You're at work.

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Speaker 3: I'm on I'm on the apology tour as well. I

794
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,559
brought this dip ship right.

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Speaker 1: All right? Well, please, for the love of do we

796
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,360
even still do this anymore? We do?

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00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,199
Speaker 4: We didn't we even still do this anymore?

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Speaker 1: For the love of contract law, please tell me you

799
00:43:57,559 --> 00:43:58,119
brought a dip.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. I got for you a fresh and

801
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:12,199
nova fresh than Okay, it's a I usually kind of

802
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,599
like a little bit chunkier of a one, but I'm

803
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:17,159
liking the consistency of this. And then I just got

804
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:23,199
a classic signature select white corn tortilla. Personally, I'm a

805
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:26,400
bit of a Santitas man myself, but with inflation these days,

806
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,079
this is actually fifty cents cheaper.

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Speaker 1: So you know, though Santitas has the price on the front, Yep.

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Speaker 4: Those are yeah, that that is the price on the front,

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two ninety nine. These are two forty nine for sure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you put a lot of prep and thought

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into it, which I appreciate.

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Speaker 4: Here you go, yeah, once did.

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Speaker 1: What did you bring into a We're on the apology tour.

814
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,360
We're selling out, dude, what would you bring this to

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00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,159
a barbecue?

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Speaker 4: I gotta be real with you. This is like the

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best like grocery store bought like non not not counting

818
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:06,039
like from restaurants bubble. Uh. You know, don't come at

819
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:07,800
me if you you know have like a local deli

820
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,920
or something that you like. I'm talking about like wide

821
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,559
Moket Market grocery stores. This is probably like the this

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is the best bugs Tribe ever bought someone, So yes,

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I would absolutely bring it. It's like perfectly acidic, a

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00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,280
little bit smoky. Like I said, I personally like it

825
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,360
when there's kind of some chunks in there. But I'm

826
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,880
I'm messing with this that the thinner consistency makes it

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00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,519
spread more evenly across the chip. I think this would

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00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,599
go great with some warm pita bread. You know you could.

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I mean, you can go nuts with this. I'm going

830
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,800
I'm going full theme showing up at the barbecue with this.

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00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,199
I got kebabs, I got the aforementioned warned peta. I

832
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,639
got this, but in a festive bowl, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, a pig. You got that?

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00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,559
Speaker 1: All right? Well, well, thank you for bringing.

835
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: It to that one guy who said that maybe it

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00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:03,639
was time to stop. It's not time to stop.

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Speaker 1: He also didn't watch the episode when Adam brought one

838
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,079
of his favorite dips, which was like a week and

839
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:11,800
a half later. Watch the show.

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00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 4: Watch the show.

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00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: If you're going to criticize, watch the show. Maybe show you.

842
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: I felt like I was asking the tough questions. I

843
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,719
was just trying to narrow down. What is what is

844
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,159
a dip?

845
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: Again?

846
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 4: I do like that half of this segment is just

847
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:31,840
does this count?

848
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,199
Speaker 1: Is this a di Look the patreoon, you'll get movie talk,

849
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,440
You'll get way more in depth condiment talk. That's about it.

850
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:42,159
We're gonna start that at some point.

851
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: Catch up on hot dogs or what we will do?

852
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,079
Speaker 1: Deep in this internet thing where they were like, actually,

853
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,159
catch up on hawk dogs is bullshit. I was like,

854
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:53,320
you just read that once on the internet and you're

855
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,039
a fucking idiot.

856
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, Chicago people will rage.

857
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: Okay, don't a hot dog with ketchum mustard is fine.

858
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:07,599
I'm not saying that's what a Chicago dog is. It's

859
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:11,599
just a fucking hot dog. You can it's that?

860
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: Does that Vienna beef? Though?

861
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:17,079
Speaker 1: Hey, Heber National what about that?

862
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 4: I don't know?

863
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, I get down with the Hebrew Nationals.

864
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: This way. You gotta subscribe to the non existent Patreon

865
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,199
All right, we're gonna be back next week with dips

866
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:36,960
probably will Where can these people review us after we've

867
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:42,320
pretty much solved the Clippers cap cir convention scenario and

868
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:48,400
projected the perfect benchline, Where can people get subscribed to us?

869
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,719
So when the season starts, they can see our postgame content.

870
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to see us find out you

871
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,400
can subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your podcasts.

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00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,199
We are clips and your favorite Flippers podcast. The best

873
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,880
way to watch us over on YouTube dot com. That's

874
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,280
that Clippers podcast. You can of course, you tell us

875
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,760
to think about this video, tell usuch to think about

876
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,360
any everybody else. Maybe we'll response you're kind of being

877
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,079
think about it. Probably not, But if you were rocking

878
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:14,960
with us through all season, thank you so much. We

879
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,039
hope to see some sort of resolve with everything that's

880
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:19,679
going on. But yeah, however you listen for you watch

881
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,760
you know we appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We very much do. Adam. We know you got to

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00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:25,159
get out of here. Can we get one positive thing

884
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and one problem for your new show.

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Speaker 4: In one Mercury.

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Speaker 3: Lining fot Sports Radio No fn A on FSR later tonight.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know FNA, we're spin off of Petros

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Some money We got Petros Papadak is coming on later

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tonight on Fox Sports Radio across the nation.

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Speaker 3: We start at eleven in a late night hour on.

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Speaker 2: The Pacific coast, So be there, come hang out with us,

892
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,800
we'll be talking a lot of NFL and maybe we'll

893
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:54,840
get to some clippers.

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00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: We did last week, but there is an update, I guess.

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Speaker 2: And I will say today's are article from the Athletic

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I thought was at least interesting.

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Speaker 3: I think you guys should read it form opinions.

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Speaker 1: There we go. We will be back next week. Thank

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00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,840
you for hanging out with us, and as always, let's

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go clips. Right, what's the worst I can