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We Got airin Tours on the line erin how you.
Speaker 4: Living, mat, I'm doing well?
Speaker 5: How am I living? I know you used me as
a college football insider.
Speaker 4: I gotta say I.
Speaker 5: Live in LA and with about eight minutes to go
in the BYU ucon game. The other night they fot
me over to USC women's basketball. So I wasn't doing
very well on Saturday at about you know, six forty
five Pacific time, as AJ Debonsa was putting on a
show for all of America. But I am doing well today.
I know we're here to probably mostly talk about football,
and I think BYU fans right now, you know, there's
still games left on the schedule, but I think right
now I have a legitimate right with what the committee
did last night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, let's before we get into b YU,
let's just discuss kind of overall how you feel about
the rankings. Do you see anything that you maybe disagree
with outside of BYU, What do you like?
Speaker 2: What do you dislike?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, So it's funny I talked about on
my show this morning, and I was just telling Ron,
the producer of The Three Man Weave, the legend I
was just on not that long ago, actually in Tuscaloosa,
And it's funny because they're just as about the rankings
as folks in Provo are.
Speaker 4: And this is what actually.
Speaker 5: Makes me really mad, and I'll be perfectly honest, is
that every year, you know, in the off season, and
I don't even know if BYU fans would have paid
attention to this, but in the off season, the committee
put in this new metric called strength of record. Okay,
and I'll give a little backstory. I'm sure you've talked
about it, probably for the last couple of weeks. But basically,
last year, Indiana gets into.
Speaker 4: Eleven and one.
Speaker 5: Not only did they not play anybody in the off season,
they actively like canceled the big games in the out
of conference and so the SEC basically sat there and said,
wait a second, now, you know, we got some nine
to three teams that actually challenge people. You know, it
shouldn't like the rankings shouldn't just be solely out of
win loss record.
Speaker 4: And so they put in the strength.
Speaker 5: To record metric, and it was supposed to, you know,
change the way we're evaluating teams. And so I only
bring that up to say, if that's the metric that
should be most important to the Playoff Committee, because that's
what we were told in the off season, then what's
the metric that we should be using, you know, along
with other things to judge these teams. And so you
guys have talked about it, I know, but by us
ranked six sixth to excuse me, ahead of Alabama, ahead
of Oregon, you know, six spots ahead of Notre Dame.
And it's just like, I guess that. You know, you
asked me what is my biggest frustration? That is my
biggest frustration is if you're gonna tell us something matters,
then that's fine, but it has to actually matter. And
it does just feel like these rankings, at least as
of right now, are largely based on brand bias, preconceived notions,
and frankly just win loss record because Oregon really probably
even more than like a Notre Dame or in Alabama,
I think Oregon is actually the most misranked team out
of everybody in this top fifteen or so.
Speaker 2: Oregon the most miss ranked team. Why is that?
Speaker 4: Oh, Ben, you know, where do I begin?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, listen, you know what it really is, honestly,
and and you know, I think a lot of people
would be surprised for me to say this. They're this
year's Indiana.
Speaker 4: You know Indiana.
Speaker 5: Last year they go eleven and one, just the way
that the schedule broke, you know, didn't beat anybody good.
The only good team that they really played, Ohio State, Uh,
you know they lost to this was Indiana last year
and and you know, but we decided last year and
I understand because again there was no strength of rescord,
but we decided last year that basically an eleven to
one Indiana team should get in. And so with Oregon
this year, and part of it's not their fault. No
one could have realized in real time what would have
happened to Penn State after Oregon beat them. But that
is not a good win.
Speaker 4: It just isn't.
Speaker 5: And so because it's not a good win, just because
of how the schedule broke, they have one real team
on the schedule. Now, they do play USC this weekend,
and the schedule, you know, their their resume is going
to change either positively or negatively in one direction.
Speaker 4: To the other at the end of this weekend. But
they have no good wins right now.
Speaker 5: And so you know, the bottom line that I guess,
the point that I'm trying to get to is we
have to be ranking teams on what they've actually done
on the field to this point, not projecting what could
happen by the end of the year or what should
happen or how good are they actually No, no, no, it's
about what have you done on the field to this
point and right now, just Oregon doesn't have the resume
of the seventh or eighth ranked team.
Speaker 4: Whatever their actual ranking is.
Speaker 5: That I have the rankings in front of me.
Speaker 4: I think they're number seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: It's a tough pill to swallow for BAYU fans right now,
too ninety to one a loss on the road to
texta step are you do you feel like the committee
is not taking into account where these games are being
played home, road, neutral, Doesn't that matter matters? And who
it doesn't seem to matter in football. They're just talking about, well,
this win against this opponent. They're not talking about road winds,
home wins, neutral fields at all.
Speaker 5: So I'll be honest, said, I was, you know, watching
the you know, former Kentucky back or a former b
what you basketball coach, Mark Pope, you know, have a
pretty pretty lousy night last night, you know, And I
was reacting to it right after the rankings came out.
So I don't know everything that the committee said. I
do know to the point that I made a second
ago that they tried to argue that Oregon somehow has
a great win over Penn State because it was on
the road.
Speaker 4: So I don't know exactly what they said.
Speaker 5: I do know that they, you know, and I'm paraphrasing, said, well,
you know, by you lost it in ugly fashion to
Texas Tech, and so that matters.
Speaker 4: But yeah, of course all of this stuff matters.
Speaker 5: And again, you know, I think people sometimes get mad
at me because you can't pigeonhole me as of this
or that or whatever. I just play by the rules
that I've been given. And so again, based on what
we've seen and based on what the committee tells us
are important, tells us is important. A very good win
over Utah, we know that, a very good loss on
the road to Texas Texas. I'm rambling. I don't know
exactly what they said about home versus road and all that.
All I do know is that these are the parameters
that they set out, and they're not following the parameters
that they themselves have created, no.
Speaker 3: Doubt about it. It's an interesting dilemma. Let's talk BYU
here for a moment. First team out, Utah, second team out.
And even if they win out, it seems like if
they get to the Big Twelve Championship game. They may
have to win that game in order to get into
the College Football Playoff. Rick Neuheisel thinks a BYU team
that runs the table and gets to the Big twelve
Championship game at least deserves to be in.
Speaker 2: What say you? Where do you stand?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You know, I understand the frustration of a BYU fan,
and I understand that this conversation is happening.
Speaker 4: I do think context.
Speaker 5: Matters, right, you know, if Alabama loses to Auburn, you
know they're not getting in. I certainly don't think they
should be in as a three loss team over a
two loss BYU if both of their losses are to
Texas Tech, or frankly, if both Texas Tech and by
you enter at eleven and one, I don't think a
three lost Alabama should get in over either one of them.
If Texas Tech were to take a second loss in Arlington.
You know, it's the.
Speaker 4: Same with Oklahoma.
Speaker 5: If Oklahoma loses one of their next two games, If
Oregon loses to USC, I think that creates some interesting conversations.
So you know, I'm not super caught up in all
of that, but I do agree with what I It
seems to.
Speaker 4: Be the sentiment.
Speaker 5: I don't want to speak for every BYU fan or
every media member that covers by ANDU. I know I
don't speak for all of them, but I think the
sentiment is that if BYU wins the remainder of their game,
it shouldn't be a if you lose in the Big
twelve championship.
Speaker 4: Game, you're automatically.
Speaker 5: Eliminated and without the context of everything else that could happen.
I do agree with them, And again, we'll see what
happens with Notre Dame. We'll see what happens with USC,
you know, and by the way, like USC is kind
of an important lynchpin here by the way, and I
know this is a national talking point, the Miami versus
Notre Dame conversation, So you know, I think the broader
thing from last night, and I don't think it was intentional.
I just think it was the way the rankings fell.
I just feel like there's a lot of fan bases
that have to be frustrated right now. BYU is certainly one.
I think Allabama is one for where they fell to.
I think, you know, Miami is like, well, wait a second,
if we went out, are we not going to be
able to surpass the team we beat in Miami? And again,
I don't believe the committee is frankly smart enough to
kind of figure out all of this stuff in real time.
But it just felt like they made a lot of
fan bases very unhappy last night, no doubt about.
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Speaker 4: I apologize.
Speaker 5: Do you guys cover a lot of the youth two
or just uh, just the coops out of curiosity Utah.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're always looking up on the hill.
Speaker 3: This is a specific show for b YU, but we're
always looking at our uh, our formidable foe up on
the hill.
Speaker 5: The h Well, since this is the safe space one,
Utah a very underrated, angry online fan base. That's one,
but that's another conversation for another day. I was just
more curious. I know that from my perspective, I've spent
so much focus on BYU.
Speaker 4: I was just curious, you know.
Speaker 5: Do Utah fans think they have a lake to stand on,
or is it kind of they understand the two teams,
you know, two of the teams that are ahead of
them in the standings, they lost two heads to head,
you know, because they're a very good football team. And
I was actually just more curious do they kind of
just feel like, hey, we had our champions against.
Speaker 4: Texas techhead go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, no, So I'll pickyback off of that.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you a question. You said
they're an angry fan base.
Speaker 3: How would you evaluate the at least the social media
and interactions of Utah fans. What where do you lean
if you were to ask yourself that question. It just
off assumptions and feel if.
Speaker 4: They're angry or not, or if they should be in
the field or not.
Speaker 2: It's correlated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they're angry.
Speaker 5: They're certainly angry, And I leave the rivalry steps to
the rivalry people. I think they're in the unenviable spot
of very clearly being a very good team that I
just don't really think has a leg to stand on
if they do not make it to the Big twelve
championship game, and certainly they would have to win there.
You know, it's it's almost like Texas in the SEC
is like, you know, you can kind of see, like, hey,
Texas in certain spots, they really give a lot.
Speaker 4: Of people Trump well.
Speaker 5: But I just don't think they have the resume right now.
Actually that's frankly, how we should be talking about Notre Dame.
Like Notre Dame is very clearly an improved team. They
just don't have the resume.
Speaker 4: But apparently that doesn't matter the committee. But that's why
I feel on Utah, and I do think.
Speaker 5: They're a you know, kind of unfortunate bystander and all
this of a team that I think is really good.
But like I said, I just I don't know what
the argument is for them if they are not able
to make the Big twelve championship game. I don't know
how all the time breakers work. I know, obviously if
they went out, there's the possibility they could get there,
depending on who else wins and who else loses.
Speaker 4: But it was more of kind of that conversation.
Speaker 3: You know, they feel like they're playing at a at
a rate right now that can beat anybody in college football.
Speaker 2: Like actually that's how they feel.
Speaker 3: They they lost one on the road to be yu.
It's a robbery game. It should be thrown out the window.
On paper, they should have won.
Speaker 2: Uh. Their their quarterback got a little.
Speaker 5: Bit, a lot of hyals, but yeah, had.
Speaker 3: He not been injured, you know, then then Utah would
have won.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: College game Day came to Rice Ecles and they just
they weren't ready for that game.
Speaker 2: It was too early on in the season. They weren't
trending in the right direction.
Speaker 3: Now they're trending in the right They can beat anybody
in college football. They deserve to be in That's what
I would say that.
Speaker 4: And let me ask the question. I must have missed
this headline. It sounds like they joined the.
Speaker 5: SEC because the SEC is undefeated.
Speaker 4: In hypothetical matchups. So well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: If you know, if if six lost, Mississippi State played
Notre Dame, I mean, Mississippi State would give them all
sorts of trouble. It's like, okay, well they're not playing
in the games on the field, do matter, and uh
and whatever? So yeah, that sounds like an SEC fan
base a lot of hypotheticals. No, you know, no, in
the SEC. I don't know if you've heard this but
they're undefeated in hypothetical games all time, and they play
a lot of them, by the way, you know, they
play a lot of hypothetical games. So that sounds like
that sounds like you tump things.
Speaker 3: Well, it's so interesting because I look at what Sankie
did with his nine conference games, right, they wanted more.
They were pretty strategic about scheduling, not only within their conference,
right because they have this twenty thirty years of equity
built up that they're the best conference in college football,
which obviously from a national championship standpoint, and it is accurate,
but they've also been cheating when nobody else could cheat, right,
and they were allowing certain teams to cheat and have
bag men and all these things.
Speaker 2: And that's why they've won.
Speaker 3: Now that the playing field has ultimately been leveled, and
they're scared out of their minds, why Nick Saban retired,
it's why you know they're they're they're kicking and screaming
here and they're talking about even expanding the playoff. And
that's why they decided to play more in conference games.
And then they were very strategic about who played who
within the conference so they could get as many teams
Sanki did a great job. It was very It was
our textural, it was schematic, it was chess. And you
look at how many teams are in the mix from
the SEC and they.
Speaker 2: Really don't play each other, right they they're not. And
so there's.
Speaker 5: Some of it, you know, is beyond any like like
when they put together those schedules, like they could have
never guessed that A and M would be who they
are and they literally don't play at top half of
the SEC team. I do think the one thing that
Sankie has done well that I would like to see
Brett Yormark take out of his playbook is that thinking
is really good at getting you know, taking public narratives
and getting ahead on them. And what I mean by
that is, you know, I remember back to Big twelve
media day when Brett or Mark said that we believe
that we are going to have two teams in the
college football Playoff this year. Okay, well, if you have
two teams in the college football Playoff this year, Brett,
you know it's great to say that. In July, Well,
guess what b Yu to the whole conversation that we're
having right now. Ben b Yu is on the outside
looking in with a better resume than teams.
Speaker 4: Ahead of them.
Speaker 5: This is the day that Brett yor Mark should be
doing Ben Kurtle's show, should be doing Sports Center, should
be doing college football whatever, you know, whatever the college
you know, college game day on Saturday. I think Big
Noon is coming to you know wherever, Cincinnati, like like,
this is where Brett or Mark needs to step up
and earn his paycheck. And the one thing about saying
whenever there's whenever there's an opportunity to push the sec
narrative whether it's true, can he continue?
Speaker 4: Can can they continue to sell that big picture?
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