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well as hosting his own podcast, The airin Towars podcast

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We Got airin Tours on the line erin how you.

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Speaker 4: Living, mat, I'm doing well?

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Speaker 5: How am I living? I know you used me as

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a college football insider.

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Speaker 4: I gotta say I.

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Speaker 5: Live in LA and with about eight minutes to go

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in the BYU ucon game. The other night they fot

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me over to USC women's basketball. So I wasn't doing

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very well on Saturday at about you know, six forty

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five Pacific time, as AJ Debonsa was putting on a

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show for all of America. But I am doing well today.

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I know we're here to probably mostly talk about football,

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and I think BYU fans right now, you know, there's

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still games left on the schedule, but I think right

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now I have a legitimate right with what the committee

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did last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, let's before we get into b YU,

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let's just discuss kind of overall how you feel about

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the rankings. Do you see anything that you maybe disagree

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with outside of BYU, What do you like?

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Speaker 2: What do you dislike?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, So it's funny I talked about on

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my show this morning, and I was just telling Ron,

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the producer of The Three Man Weave, the legend I

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was just on not that long ago, actually in Tuscaloosa,

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And it's funny because they're just as about the rankings

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as folks in Provo are.

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Speaker 4: And this is what actually.

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Speaker 5: Makes me really mad, and I'll be perfectly honest, is

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that every year, you know, in the off season, and

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I don't even know if BYU fans would have paid

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attention to this, but in the off season, the committee

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put in this new metric called strength of record. Okay,

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and I'll give a little backstory. I'm sure you've talked

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about it, probably for the last couple of weeks. But basically,

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last year, Indiana gets into.

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Speaker 4: Eleven and one.

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Speaker 5: Not only did they not play anybody in the off season,

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they actively like canceled the big games in the out

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of conference and so the SEC basically sat there and said,

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wait a second, now, you know, we got some nine

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to three teams that actually challenge people. You know, it

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shouldn't like the rankings shouldn't just be solely out of

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Speaker 4: And so they put in the strength.

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Speaker 5: To record metric, and it was supposed to, you know,

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change the way we're evaluating teams. And so I only

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bring that up to say, if that's the metric that

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should be most important to the Playoff Committee, because that's

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what we were told in the off season, then what's

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the metric that we should be using, you know, along

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with other things to judge these teams. And so you

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guys have talked about it, I know, but by us

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ranked six sixth to excuse me, ahead of Alabama, ahead

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of Oregon, you know, six spots ahead of Notre Dame.

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And it's just like, I guess that. You know, you

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asked me what is my biggest frustration? That is my

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biggest frustration is if you're gonna tell us something matters,

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then that's fine, but it has to actually matter. And

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it does just feel like these rankings, at least as

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of right now, are largely based on brand bias, preconceived notions,

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and frankly just win loss record because Oregon really probably

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Speaker 2: Oregon the most miss ranked team. Why is that?

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Speaker 4: Oh, Ben, you know, where do I begin?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, listen, you know what it really is, honestly,

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would be surprised for me to say this. They're this

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Speaker 4: You know Indiana.

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Speaker 5: Last year they go eleven and one, just the way

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that the schedule broke, you know, didn't beat anybody good.

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you know they lost to this was Indiana last year

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but we decided last year that basically an eleven to

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one Indiana team should get in. And so with Oregon

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this year, and part of it's not their fault. No

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one could have realized in real time what would have

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is not a good win.

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Speaker 4: It just isn't.

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Speaker 5: And so because it's not a good win, just because

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to change either positively or negatively in one direction.

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Speaker 4: To the other at the end of this weekend. But

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they have no good wins right now.

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Speaker 5: And so you know, the bottom line that I guess,

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the point that I'm trying to get to is we

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happen or how good are they actually No, no, no, it's

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about what have you done on the field to this

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point and right now, just Oregon doesn't have the resume

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of the seventh or eighth ranked team.

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Speaker 4: Whatever their actual ranking is.

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Speaker 5: That I have the rankings in front of me.

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Speaker 4: I think they're number seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 3: It's a tough pill to swallow for BAYU fans right now,

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too ninety to one a loss on the road to

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texta step are you do you feel like the committee

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is not taking into account where these games are being

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played home, road, neutral, Doesn't that matter matters? And who

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it doesn't seem to matter in football. They're just talking about, well,

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this win against this opponent. They're not talking about road winds,

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home wins, neutral fields at all.

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Speaker 5: So I'll be honest, said, I was, you know, watching

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the you know, former Kentucky back or a former b

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what you basketball coach, Mark Pope, you know, have a

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pretty pretty lousy night last night, you know, And I

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was reacting to it right after the rankings came out.

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ago that they tried to argue that Oregon somehow has

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a great win over Penn State because it was on

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Speaker 4: So I don't know exactly what they said.

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Speaker 5: I do know that they, you know, and I'm paraphrasing, said, well,

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you know, by you lost it in ugly fashion to

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Texas Tech, and so that matters.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, of course all of this stuff matters.

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Speaker 5: And again, you know, I think people sometimes get mad

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at me because you can't pigeonhole me as of this

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or that or whatever. I just play by the rules

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that I've been given. And so again, based on what

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we've seen and based on what the committee tells us

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are important, tells us is important. A very good win

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over Utah, we know that, a very good loss on

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the road to Texas Texas. I'm rambling. I don't know

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exactly what they said about home versus road and all that.

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All I do know is that these are the parameters

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that they set out, and they're not following the parameters

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that they themselves have created, no.

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Speaker 3: Doubt about it. It's an interesting dilemma. Let's talk BYU

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here for a moment. First team out, Utah, second team out.

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And even if they win out, it seems like if

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they get to the Big Twelve Championship game. They may

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have to win that game in order to get into

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the College Football Playoff. Rick Neuheisel thinks a BYU team

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that runs the table and gets to the Big twelve

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Championship game at least deserves to be in.

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Speaker 2: What say you? Where do you stand?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You know, I understand the frustration of a BYU fan,

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and I understand that this conversation is happening.

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Speaker 4: I do think context.

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Speaker 5: Matters, right, you know, if Alabama loses to Auburn, you

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know they're not getting in. I certainly don't think they

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should be in as a three loss team over a

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two loss BYU if both of their losses are to

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Texas Tech, or frankly, if both Texas Tech and by

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you enter at eleven and one, I don't think a

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three lost Alabama should get in over either one of them.

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Speaker 4: Same with Oklahoma.

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Speaker 5: If Oklahoma loses one of their next two games, If

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Oregon loses to USC, I think that creates some interesting conversations.

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So you know, I'm not super caught up in all

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of that, but I do agree with what I It

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Speaker 4: Be the sentiment.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to speak for every BYU fan or

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every media member that covers by ANDU. I know I

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don't speak for all of them, but I think the

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sentiment is that if BYU wins the remainder of their game,

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it shouldn't be a if you lose in the Big

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twelve championship.

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Speaker 4: Game, you're automatically.

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Speaker 5: Eliminated and without the context of everything else that could happen.

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you know, and by the way, like USC is kind

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of an important lynchpin here by the way, and I

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know this is a national talking point, the Miami versus

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Notre Dame conversation, So you know, I think the broader

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I just think it was the way the rankings fell.

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I just feel like there's a lot of fan bases

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that have to be frustrated right now. BYU is certainly one.

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I think Allabama is one for where they fell to.

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if we went out, are we not going to be

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able to surpass the team we beat in Miami? And again,

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I don't believe the committee is frankly smart enough to

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're always looking up on the hill.

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Speaker 3: This is a specific show for b YU, but we're

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always looking at our uh, our formidable foe up on

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Speaker 5: The h Well, since this is the safe space one,

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Utah a very underrated, angry online fan base. That's one,

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but that's another conversation for another day. I was just

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more curious. I know that from my perspective, I've spent

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so much focus on BYU.

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Speaker 4: I was just curious, you know.

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Speaker 5: Do Utah fans think they have a lake to stand on,

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or is it kind of they understand the two teams,

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you know, two of the teams that are ahead of

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them in the standings, they lost two heads to head,

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you know, because they're a very good football team. And

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I was actually just more curious do they kind of

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just feel like, hey, we had our champions against.

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Speaker 4: Texas techhead go ahead.

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Speaker 2: No, no, So I'll pickyback off of that.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you a question. You said

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they're an angry fan base.

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Speaker 3: How would you evaluate the at least the social media

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and interactions of Utah fans. What where do you lean

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if you were to ask yourself that question. It just

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off assumptions and feel if.

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Speaker 4: They're angry or not, or if they should be in

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the field or not.

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Speaker 2: It's correlated.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well they're angry.

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Speaker 5: They're certainly angry, And I leave the rivalry steps to

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the rivalry people. I think they're in the unenviable spot

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of very clearly being a very good team that I

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just don't really think has a leg to stand on

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if they do not make it to the Big twelve

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championship game, and certainly they would have to win there.

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is like, you know, you can kind of see, like, hey,

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Texas in certain spots, they really give a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of people Trump well.

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Speaker 5: But I just don't think they have the resume right now.

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Actually that's frankly, how we should be talking about Notre Dame.

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Like Notre Dame is very clearly an improved team. They

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just don't have the resume.

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Speaker 4: But apparently that doesn't matter the committee. But that's why

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I feel on Utah, and I do think.

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Speaker 5: They're a you know, kind of unfortunate bystander and all

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this of a team that I think is really good.

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But like I said, I just I don't know what

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the argument is for them if they are not able

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to make the Big twelve championship game. I don't know

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how all the time breakers work. I know, obviously if

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they went out, there's the possibility they could get there,

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depending on who else wins and who else loses.

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Speaker 4: But it was more of kind of that conversation.

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Speaker 3: You know, they feel like they're playing at a at

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a rate right now that can beat anybody in college football.

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Speaker 2: Like actually that's how they feel.

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Speaker 3: They they lost one on the road to be yu.

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It's a robbery game. It should be thrown out the window.

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On paper, they should have won.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Their their quarterback got a little.

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Speaker 5: Bit, a lot of hyals, but yeah, had.

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Speaker 3: He not been injured, you know, then then Utah would

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have won.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: College game Day came to Rice Ecles and they just

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they weren't ready for that game.

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Speaker 2: It was too early on in the season. They weren't

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trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Now they're trending in the right They can beat anybody

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in college football. They deserve to be in That's what

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I would say that.

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Speaker 4: And let me ask the question. I must have missed

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this headline. It sounds like they joined the.

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Speaker 5: SEC because the SEC is undefeated.

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Speaker 4: In hypothetical matchups. So well, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: If you know, if if six lost, Mississippi State played

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Notre Dame, I mean, Mississippi State would give them all

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sorts of trouble. It's like, okay, well they're not playing

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in the games on the field, do matter, and uh

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and whatever? So yeah, that sounds like an SEC fan

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base a lot of hypotheticals. No, you know, no, in

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the SEC. I don't know if you've heard this but

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they're undefeated in hypothetical games all time, and they play

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a lot of them, by the way, you know, they

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play a lot of hypothetical games. So that sounds like

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that sounds like you tump things.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's so interesting because I look at what Sankie

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did with his nine conference games, right, they wanted more.

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right because they have this twenty thirty years of equity

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built up that they're the best conference in college football,

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which obviously from a national championship standpoint, and it is accurate,

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but they've also been cheating when nobody else could cheat, right,

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and they were allowing certain teams to cheat and have

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bag men and all these things.

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Speaker 2: And that's why they've won.

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Speaker 3: Now that the playing field has ultimately been leveled, and

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they're scared out of their minds, why Nick Saban retired,

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it's why you know they're they're they're kicking and screaming

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here and they're talking about even expanding the playoff. And

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that's why they decided to play more in conference games.

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And then they were very strategic about who played who

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within the conference so they could get as many teams

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Sanki did a great job. It was very It was

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our textural, it was schematic, it was chess. And you

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look at how many teams are in the mix from

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the SEC and they.

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Speaker 2: Really don't play each other, right they they're not. And

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so there's.

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Speaker 5: Some of it, you know, is beyond any like like

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when they put together those schedules, like they could have

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never guessed that A and M would be who they

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are and they literally don't play at top half of

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the SEC team. I do think the one thing that

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Sankie has done well that I would like to see

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Brett Yormark take out of his playbook is that thinking

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is really good at getting you know, taking public narratives

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and getting ahead on them. And what I mean by

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that is, you know, I remember back to Big twelve

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media day when Brett or Mark said that we believe

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that we are going to have two teams in the

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college football Playoff this year. Okay, well, if you have

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two teams in the college football Playoff this year, Brett,

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you know it's great to say that. In July, Well,

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guess what b Yu to the whole conversation that we're

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having right now. Ben b Yu is on the outside

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looking in with a better resume than teams.

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Speaker 4: Ahead of them.

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Speaker 5: This is the day that Brett yor Mark should be

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doing Ben Kurtle's show, should be doing Sports Center, should

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be doing college football whatever, you know, whatever the college

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you know, college game day on Saturday. I think Big

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Noon is coming to you know wherever, Cincinnati, like like,

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this is where Brett or Mark needs to step up

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and earn his paycheck. And the one thing about saying

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whenever there's whenever there's an opportunity to push the sec

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narrative whether it's true, can he continue?

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Speaker 4: Can can they continue to sell that big picture?

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