WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:03.839 Look at Chris com Ronnie live on site. C K. 2 00:00:04.280 --> 00:00:06.280 Thanks for coming down, man, How you doing, I'm doing well. 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:06.759 How are you? 4 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:07.879 I'm well. I'm well. 5 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:10.320 I'm well and uh, you know, obviously a fun time 6 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:13.039 of year with a lot going on. What's the latest 7 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:15.039 with you? I know you have some projects that are 8 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:17.719 in the cooker you can't talk about, correct, But what 9 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:19.160 can you talk about on the show. 10 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:21.920 I can talk about pretty much anything else. 11 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:22.519 Okay. 12 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:28.519 We can talk about, uh, Cam Rising's middle finger slash 13 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:33.439 ring finger and we will. We can talk about does 14 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:37.200 BYU have what it takes to win down in Waco 15 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:41.280 and we will. We can talk about, uh, the late 16 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:43.880 season crises that RSL finds itself in. 17 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:45.000 We'll touch on that. 18 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:48.600 And we can talk about uh listen, man, I'm not 19 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:51.520 watching any good TV. So if you've got any Rex, 20 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:55.159 let me know. Okay, Hacks, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No, 21 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.280 that's I'm talking about, Like, yeah, we're up on that. 22 00:00:57.439 --> 00:00:59.280 We're up on that. I'm just saying like I'm just saying, 23 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:00.000 like new stuff. 24 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:02.600 But here's the problem. Yeah, that is new stuff to me. 25 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:04.040 I'm behind. 26 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.760 Yeah, you're the one that has to inform You're right, Okay, Okay, 27 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.319 So let's knock those down one at a time. 28 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:12.159 So we'll start with Utah football. You know, they go 29 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:13.920 to Stillwater and get a win. Nobody wins there. Mike 30 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:17.519 Gundy does not lose at home. But it seems like 31 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.040 we're kind of in the same situation of playing the 32 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:23.040 guessing game with the quarterback spot. I'm going to operate 33 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.000 off the assumption that it's EASA can tell it's not. 34 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:27.480 And it feels like a lot of people around here 35 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:29.280 are kind of sick of that talking point because it 36 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:31.680 was the same talking point a year ago. I don't 37 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.359 have any other information, Chris other than Cam is hurt 38 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:36.920 and when he's ready he will play right. So, but 39 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:38.560 where are you at with his entire thing, because it 40 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:39.959 feels very reminiscent. 41 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:41.640 Of last year. Well, I don't follow such things. Has 42 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:43.799 the line moved at all? The Yeah, twenty four. 43 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:45.840 Hours has so it peaked at twelve and now it's nine. 44 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:50.840 Okay, there's your answer, I think. So I will say 45 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:55.239 that if you're the Utah football staff, you feel empowered 46 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.640 to roll with the status quo that got you a 47 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.159 win in a place that is historically very difficut go 48 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:04.959 to win. But I will always argue the flip side 49 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:08.360 of it, in that you are going to be presumably 50 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:12.400 rolling with a true freshman quarterback who is going to 51 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.800 have to learn to take his licks in real time 52 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:18.199 when they come. We saw Isaac struggle a little bit 53 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.400 the first couple of weeks, not so bad the last 54 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.039 couple of weeks. But again, we're talking about a team 55 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:29.439 that's coming in with maybe the best quarterback wide receiver 56 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:31.639 due in the country. Like, if you're talking about guys 57 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:35.599 who are you attached to the hip or have the 58 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:39.680 telepathy together, you can make make it an argument that 59 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:42.479 Fafita and McMillan have that these are two guys that 60 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.080 decided to stay at Arizona together for a reason. They 61 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:51.199 could have bolted and followed Jetfish to Washington. So you 62 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.199 have the bye week after this game. It's a big game, 63 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.439 it's home coming, it's the night game. I know Utah 64 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.000 fans love the Blackout game, they have since it started, 65 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:03.719 and await or whatever ever. But I will proceed cautiously 66 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.639 because you were talking about a true freshman quarterback who 67 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:11.360 eventually will have a coming down to Earth. You just 68 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:13.400 will because that's the nature of football. And I'm not 69 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.400 saying I want it to happen for him. I'm just 70 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:16.439 saying proceed cautiously. 71 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.680 Is it fair to say that he I mean, to 72 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.680 your point, while he has looked better week to week, 73 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:24.960 which is all you can ask for, right from a team. 74 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:26.520 Or a player, just to continue to improve. 75 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.960 I think it's probably fair to say they haven't won 76 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:32.159 because of anything he's done individually. 77 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:34.560 So is it fair to say that even if they have. 78 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.719 Decided to go with and tell Cam's ride an eighteen 79 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.719 year old who just enrolled in April, that's probably It 80 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.120 probably means they're fine with letting him take step by 81 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.879 step progress and playing great defense, running the football, which 82 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.039 is kind of what Kyle wants to do. 83 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:50.800 Yeah, both things can be true. One is that Isaac, 84 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.240 if he can put more zip on the ball, he 85 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:54.960 can give you a better chance to win any college 86 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:56.840 foot if you're not going to put out a quarterback 87 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.159 who cannot throw a deep pass, hard velocity on the ball. 88 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.719 But at the same time, if we want to be nitpicky, 89 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:07.039 which I think we can, you're looking back at last week, 90 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:10.759 you won a tough odd game in which Isaac turned 91 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:14.240 the ball over twice. Mike Gundy had a very odd 92 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:17.920 decision to remove his very season, seventh year starting quarterback, 93 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.480 which did not go well, and as soon as he 94 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.439 put him back in the game, then Okay State made 95 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.560 a run at it. So at the end of the day, 96 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:28.879 they got the w, which is all that matters. But 97 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.079 at the same time, you have to look at every 98 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:35.160 game and dissect it because of what happened, and what 99 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:38.040 happened is Isaac played a good game. I would say 100 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.279 Isaac played a decent game. You can't turn the ball 101 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:43.120 over twice on the road, especially you know, Kyle does 102 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:45.600 not like losing the turnover battle. I'm sure he said 103 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:47.839 this week that historically you don't win when you go 104 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:49.720 on the road and lose the turnover battle three to 105 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:51.800 one or three to two, whatever it was. I just 106 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:53.720 don't think you can afford to do that going forward 107 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:55.199 with the rest of the teams in Utah plays, even 108 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:55.879 against Arizona. 109 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:56.279 Yeah. 110 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.800 So the SEC this season has decided to adapt the 111 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:01.560 pro model of reporting injuries. 112 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.120 And so you know, if you play. 113 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.079 Fantasy football, if you pay attention to football, you know, 114 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.839 on like Thursday or Friday, pro teams submit their injury 115 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.160 report and you find out who's in find out who's out, 116 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.120 find out who's a game time. SEC is now doing 117 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.439 the same, and simply Chris because of the bottom line 118 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:23.279 of who your starting quarterback is is worth hundreds of 119 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.160 millions of dollars on the betty market. At some point, 120 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.800 college football will lean into this entirely. Until they do, 121 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:32.680 Kyle's job is not to tell us who's starting a quarterback. 122 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:34.959 I know fans get frustrated, and there's some certain media 123 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:36.879 members that believe they're entitled that information. 124 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.040 We're not. Kyle's job is to win games. 125 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:40.399 Kyle doesn't care. I hate to break in. 126 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.240 Kyle doesn't give a rip. And by the way, there 127 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.800 is a legitimate debate to be made that there is 128 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.759 a competitive advantage now that has been dispelled by others, 129 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:52.759 namely Jim Harbaugh, who was always very open and honest 130 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:54.720 about who's playing who's not. He's like, that's such an 131 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.600 overrated thing to think that you have a competitive advantage 132 00:05:57.600 --> 00:05:59.360 because you kept an injury from the public. 133 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.040 But Yio thinks that's an advantage. He's going to use it. 134 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.439 But what do you make of this communication structure that 135 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:07.160 seems to continue to frustrate. 136 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:07.839 A lot of you football fans? 137 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:09.079 Well, I guess I would look at it through like 138 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.600 the prism of how Mike Gundhy explained it last week. 139 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:13.879 I think Mike Gundy and his Monday or Tuesday press 140 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:16.800 conference said they were expecting Isaac to play. He said 141 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:21.000 that before anybody, even before the lines fluctuated. Football guys 142 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:23.879 aren't dumb. They know that if a quarterback suffered a 143 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.920 severe cut or whatever on his throwing hand, he's probably 144 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:32.120 not going to play. Like I understand the way Kyle thinks, 145 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.600 because I do agree, like why do it if you 146 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.680 don't have to? And I do know that Kyle, when 147 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:39.079 push comes a shove, when he's eventually forced to, he 148 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.240 will and he won't complain about it. But until then, 149 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:45.040 you don't have to do it. And the reality is 150 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:48.560 is Utah finds itself with a starting quarterback who has 151 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.600 reached cult level status here for a myriad of reasons. 152 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:53.879 But he's also a guy that gets hurt too often, 153 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:58.240 and he's a guy that throws game plans into flux 154 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.040 and it's something that you just have to roll with. 155 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.279 It's just the reality of the situation. And you know, 156 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:04.959 I think the last person in the world I know 157 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:06.680 for a fact, because he told me, the last person 158 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:08.360 in the world who wants to be dealing with will 159 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.839 you player? Will you not play? Is Cam Rising. But 160 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.560 here we are again. Utah is just better equipped to 161 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:15.560 handle that lack of Cam this year than they were 162 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:16.000 last year. 163 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.120 Well, and you spend time with him recently or your 164 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:20.360 piece for the athletics, So let's dig into that a 165 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.079 little bit more. Because it's one thing to hear a 166 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.519 SoundBite on a radio show or a sound or a 167 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.959 social media post or whatever. When you sat with him 168 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.600 and you talked about this process that he's gone through. 169 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:38.240 What stood out most to you in person with Cam. 170 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:40.839 Just that, like a very jovial person who has a 171 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.720 very sunny disposition admitted to going through some dark days 172 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:49.519 of having to be the bearer of bad news to 173 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:51.439 people who did not want to hear the bad news. 174 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:53.199 I mean, he told me, like he stayed in for 175 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:54.600 a long time. He didn't want to even go to 176 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.519 the grocery store, goheuad and get food, said the door 177 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.079 dash bill went up. Yeah, Like that is an anecdote 178 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.399 in and of itself that showed that he is one 179 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.439 of the most recognizable people around town. And I understand, 180 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.000 like fame isn't for everybody, and Cam said it for himself, 181 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.240 like he's just a guy that wants to be a 182 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:11.240 quarterback and the reality is, unfortunately that comes with the 183 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:13.639 territory of playing the most important position in sports. But 184 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:18.399 to me, it was the fact that I think unrealistic 185 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:23.560 expectations were put onto his potential availability last year, which 186 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:26.399 wraps into something that we talked about at nauseum last fall. 187 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:28.199 And I think you and I were of the opinion 188 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:30.759 even in June and July last year that Cam was 189 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.200 probably not going to play at all, let alone against 190 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:36.120 Florida and the opener. And it wasn't until I think 191 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:38.399 October that Cam gave me permission to talk to a 192 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:42.080 surgeon who then told me the full extent of what 193 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:44.440 he suffered, and he said that on Bill's show as well, 194 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.200 like Cam's knee didn't just suffer a standard ACL terry 195 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:51.799 basically exploded, like everything that keeps his knee together for 196 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.279 the basic standards of walking in everyday life, let alone 197 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:57.799 being a mobile quarterback who wants to be able to 198 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.679 get out and roll and throw and make people miss. 199 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.759 All that stuff went to hell, basically, So he had 200 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.399 to figure out a way to continuously be the bearer 201 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:12.399 of bad news to a population that believes in him, 202 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.000 has seen him lead them to the promised land of 203 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:19.240 two pack twelve titles two Rose Bulls, and understands that 204 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:21.759 with Cam behind center, they have their best shot of 205 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:22.399 doing big things. 206 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.240 I wonder because it was clear last year. I don't 207 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:29.519 know how this all came down, but either Cameron was 208 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:33.399 asked or straight encouraged to be part of the ambiguity 209 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:35.720 week to week, you know, and we would hear him 210 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.879 say things like, yeah, I'm shooting for this weekend. 211 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:39.159 We'll see though that's the plan. 212 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.799 And same thing from the coaching staff, same thing from 213 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:44.799 everybody up there. What sort of told do you think 214 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.879 that took on him? When you talk to him about 215 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:50.399 knowing that he wasn't going to play, Because in retrospect 216 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.759 he knew, and I had an idea that I got verified. 217 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.600 Then your information about what really happened to me, We're like, well, 218 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.480 of course he wasn't going to play last year, but 219 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:02.759 he was either strongly a courage or asked to participate 220 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:05.240 in the narrative that he might weaken and weak out. 221 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:06.360 How do you think that affect that? 222 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:09.120 Well? So the thing that's tricky about this whole thing was, 223 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.879 you know, there were days where Cam felt like he 224 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.960 could play. That's the problem is when you're coming back 225 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:19.960 from such a severe injury and you are exceeding some benchmarks, 226 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:23.200 there will be days where you feel like, oh, man, 227 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.399 like one more good day and maybe I have a shot, 228 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:29.519 And then after two good days, Cam would have a 229 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:36.559 bad day. And understanding that Cam's aspirations are, you know, 230 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:41.320 part of wanting to go play professional football Utah, and 231 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.480 Cam did not want to put him in harm's way 232 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.039 if he wasn't feeling like he could potentially be one. 233 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:49.559 But the reality is you kind of have to go 234 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:51.600 with status quo and the status quote Utah right now 235 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:53.639 is you don't talk about injuries, and it doesn't make 236 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:57.159 sense for your star quarterback to necessarily deviate. You know, 237 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.679 Cam deviated a little bit on Bill's show last year, 238 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:02.360 and I think that was kind of when rubber hit 239 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.320 the road for him, and understandably so. But here we 240 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:08.240 are again. I think, fortunately for everybody, especially for Cam, 241 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:11.480 like the injury is not close to severe, like I 242 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:15.559 honestly think that. I mean, Cam was pretty close to 243 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.240 playing according to Kyle until he started warming up, and 244 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:19.879 he just didn't have Zip on the ball right til 245 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:20.279 last week. 246 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.000 Yeah, you know you said this earlier. 247 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.759 The silver lining is it appears to look better this 248 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:28.960 year for you fans when Cam is not available. 249 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.639 So is it fair to say. 250 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.120 That I still think for them to win the Big 251 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:39.039 Twelve and do something fun in the CFP, it's got 252 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:42.279 to be Cam. But I also believe that for them 253 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:44.639 to get there, they're gonna have to get more from Isaac, 254 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.480 whether it's tomorrow or at some point throughout the week. Like, 255 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.080 I think we need to put this narrative away that 256 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:53.759 you know, they were able to doctor Frankenstein Cam's brain 257 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:55.200 and now he's gonna throw it away and slid. 258 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:56.639 It's not who he is. 259 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:58.639 No, it lasted a game and a half Chris, Yeah, 260 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:00.919 and even less than that because they Adam for you know, 261 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:04.080 basically at the the first half. Shu You Yeah, So, like, 262 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:07.879 what should the conversation sound like regarding the situation, Because 263 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:10.360 while I do think they're gonna need Cam, I also 264 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:12.720 believe that they're gonna need more from Isaac if they 265 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:13.960 want to win the conference. 266 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.080 You can make an argument it's the best and worst 267 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:19.240 case scenario. Playing out in real time. Worst case scenario 268 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.559 is Cam got her early doing something that he knows 269 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:24.480 that he probably shouldn't have done. Should have just went 270 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.440 down and taken the fifteen yard sack and move on 271 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.360 to the next play, but he didn't, and the reality 272 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:30.440 is we are where we are. The best case scenario 273 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:32.240 is you have a guy who you believe can be 274 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.759 the future behind him, who is getting reps in real 275 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:38.399 time and is leading you to wins. But again, I 276 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:41.679 can't emphasize this enough. A true freshman leading a top 277 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:44.679 ten team into a big twelve schedule that they're playing 278 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:46.639 for the first time is very, very difficult, for sure, 279 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.279 and we have to we have to proceed with the 280 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:53.919 with the understanding that this kid is a good player. 281 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:56.440 He was highly sought after for a reason. But he 282 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.480 will take his licks if he continues to play, for sure. 283 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:02.159 I mean that's the reality. You can listen to people 284 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:04.600 around here who are saying, like, you know, maybe Isaac 285 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.080 is better than Cam. No, he's not. He's not. Right now, 286 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.320 that is not the reality anybody should be living in. 287 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:11.840 Isaac is the future, but he is not the prison. 288 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.279 Oh well said, And you know, I think he's shown 289 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.519 enough to again make you fans feel a little bit 290 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:19.679 better because last year was Bryson, then it was Nate, 291 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:21.120 and it was Bryson and Nate and it. 292 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.840 Just never really fully worked. All right. As you know, I. 293 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.720 Don't look at mentions, and I don't do my show 294 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:30.679 based off of one person who sent me a tweet 295 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:33.600 about one thing. And so you know you'll hear you'll 296 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.519 hear sports talk radio. Huse go like, man, I had 297 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:37.759 to take yesterday and I got killed. Then you look 298 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:40.240 like two dudes tweeted at you. Okay, calm down, you 299 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.200 didn't get killed. And I hesitate to do the same 300 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.120 about a truncated space of people who I've spoken with 301 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:52.120 or overheard at golf courses talk about golf courses. You 302 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:54.399 know what I'm talking something, Give me something, you know 303 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:57.200 what I'm talking about. No, I'm warming up, hitting warm. 304 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.480 Up puts because you know, I get there early. I'm 305 00:13:59.480 --> 00:13:59.960 a worker. 306 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:01.399 Nobody talks about the breaks. 307 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.159 Nobody talks about my work ethic. I think it's kind 308 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:04.600 of unfortunate. I think a lot of people know that 309 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:06.679 you have work ethic. But anyways, okay, fair enough, And 310 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:09.360 as I'm warming up, just hitting some potts, I hear 311 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:15.720 four football bros mid fifties, you know, ute fans, and 312 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.159 they're talking about how much money Cam is making to 313 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:19.120 play for Utah. 314 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:22.679 And I'm sorry, but when money comes into it, it 315 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:25.080 does change things. It just does. Now. 316 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:27.399 I don't think it changes where we're at, and that 317 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:28.919 is he's hurt trying to get back. 318 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:30.399 But you know, you. 319 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.600 Overhear things like, oh, seven figures to play quarterback in 320 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.600 college and you know you last a game and a half, 321 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.919 and is there something nefarious going on? Because of course 322 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:40.480 it's twenty twenty four and we have to have a 323 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:42.480 conspiracy theory about everything. 324 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:43.399 Win Mills and such. 325 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.279 But in your in your opinion, how if at all, 326 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.159 does money come into the equation now that Cam reportedly 327 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:53.799 is making seven figures to play quarterback? 328 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:55.759 I mean it plays. It played a role in him 329 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.440 wanting to come back, right as it should have. You know, 330 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.279 I asked his parents that when I talk to for 331 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.600 the story, it's like, if you are the guy in 332 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.519 a market that so desperately wants to have a guy, 333 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:11.960 why not go for it? And for a bunch of reasons, 334 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:13.879 it made sense for Cam to come back. It did 335 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.679 not make sense for Cam coming off a serious injury 336 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.159 to try to go the undrafted free agent route and 337 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.639 presumably make way less money even if he's stuck with 338 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.000 a team than what he could make here. But if 339 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.879 people are upset about that, they shouldn't be upset because 340 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:32.360 you're talking about people investing in people who play football. 341 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:35.879 If people are frustrated about that, then I don't know 342 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.399 what to tell them. Then they are. I would make 343 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:40.279 an argument they're a little too thick in the head, 344 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.879 because the reality is is if you're talking about an 345 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.759 athlete at a university who plays football and plays the 346 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.399 style of football that Cam does, the chances are he 347 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.440 might get hurt, same way that Mackay Bernard might get hurt, 348 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:55.480 or Dorian Singer might get hurt. Anybody might get hurt. 349 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.440 This is football, This is not golf. No offense to 350 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:00.440 you and reading the breaks and the broke who are 351 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:02.960 also probably trying to read the breaks. This is what 352 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.120 people are investing in for a bunch of reasons, because 353 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:09.600 it makes sense to try to retain players. We saw 354 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.039 the s hit the fan this week in Vegas. Man 355 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:17.320 the starting quarterback of a top twenty five team, a 356 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.159 program that has been so irrelevant for decades decided to 357 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.960 up and leave after a three and oh start. That 358 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.679 doesn't happen without nil. So if you're upset about that people, 359 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:30.039 if you're upset the cam got paid to come back 360 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:32.759 to Utah, I suggest you find a new sport to 361 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:33.679 root for or. 362 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.039 To watch right because and I talked about this the 363 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:40.000 day after the Sluka announcement. I'm not one to say 364 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:42.360 it's good or bad, but it's time to say it's different. 365 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:45.200 And if you're going to it was inevitable for sure, 366 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.440 and it should have happened a long time ago. My 367 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:50.559 stance on this is very well documented. If you're gonna 368 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:52.440 watch the NBA, you gotta deal with load management. If 369 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:54.840 you're gonna watch the NFL, you gotta deal with CTE 370 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:56.840 or Colin Kaepernick taking a knee. 371 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:58.480 Whatever you're thinking, we're just injuries. 372 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:03.120 I don't understand. The only time I get like Eastwood 373 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:05.799 on the lawn Man, it's like, how can you get 374 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.640 mad about injuries in a sport where the whole point 375 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:12.480 is to try to dislodge a football going a million 376 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.039 miles an hour right at somebody else while they're wearing 377 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.519 pads and a giant helmet. I don't understand these people. 378 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:18.640 It's not a contact sport. 379 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:20.680 It's a violence sport, as I've always said, But if 380 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:23.359 you want to consume college football, you're going to have 381 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:25.240 to get used to the fact that what you were 382 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.319 programmed to believe about amateurism is now a farce. And 383 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:31.720 it always was, it always was, but it's evaporated right 384 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:35.319 here to you, right and now these people who claim that. 385 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:38.559 And I'm not a college football alarmist, because Saturday's in 386 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:40.880 the fall still feel like Saturdays. 387 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:40.839 In the fall. 388 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:43.960 And I think even when the reality sets in where 389 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:45.960 the top forty or whatever go do their own thing 390 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.400 and everyone else is left behind, it's actually, in a 391 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:50.640 way going to improve the product, because we'll see a 392 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.519 lot of brand matchups week in and week out. But 393 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.519 you just have to accept that now the new reality 394 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:01.000 is here, and the alternative you have has always been 395 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.400 only one thing, and that's don't go, don't go, don't watch, 396 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:05.640 and don't don't tune out. But I no part of 397 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:08.799 me believes this sport is in trouble, No part of me, Chris. 398 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.319 It just needs people who are smart to put a 399 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.480 set of rules in and deploy them for everybody to 400 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:20.880 follow whether it's uh standardizing nil. I know. Charlie Baker 401 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:23.480