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Speaker 1: How are you doing today, JL, I am doing well.

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Speaker 2: You can call me Joe if he'd like to. I

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go by either name.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so glad that you said Joe. That was

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my father's name, So therefore the presence of my father

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is going to be right here with us if I'm

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going to use that name, Joe.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful putting a book like this together. I can imagine

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the required amount of time, dedication, loyalty, and perseverance, because

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in a book like this, it would be so easy

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for the average person to say, I'll get around to it,

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but not you. You went all the way and now

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we get to hold it, we get to read it,

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and we get to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for that compliment. Thank you so much.

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I think what makes it possible is that I am

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just surrounded by a truly supportive family and great friends.

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Speaker 1: So when you're dealing with a techno thriller, I mean

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we're talking about you have to be up to date

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with what's going on because somebody's going to call you

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out in a heartbeat. So what kind of planning did

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you have to do and making sure that you were

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digging into the right area.

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Speaker 2: Well, partially it's due to the experience that I've got

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in the industry. But I had to take a lot

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of breaks and ask experts, does this make sense? Is

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this really something that happens in the medical field? Pick

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up phones for people who are in the financial industry

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and say, I think that this is what's happening. What

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can you tell me about it? And I wanted I

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wanted for the mechanisms that the antagonist, the bad guy,

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the AI, that they were using to do all of

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the bad things. I wanted those to be as real

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as possible. I also wanted to be able to describe

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in a very clear way to the readers how AI works,

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how quantum computing works. But it shouldn't sound like a textbook.

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Sounds natural as part of the story, and so I

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wanted to get it, burn that in and talk about

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why is it important that these things are kept at

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sub zero temperatures? So that yes, I'm pleasing the people

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who are at my level, but also I wanted my

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kids who are in high school and college to be

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able to pick it up and say, I get it,

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and this is approachable and it's a fun story to read.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they get AI And the thing is, though,

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is that slowly, maturely, the elders generation is starting to

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get it as well, because this is a conversation starter.

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My wife and I sat there talking so much about

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what's going on in Damon Protocol that it it really

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became a part of our now. And that's what I

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love about authors. They can create a book that puts

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us in a place of let's just talk. Can we

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just talk?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. And one of the themes of the book

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is human connections. The bad guy the AI. We don't

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share that AI speak. All that we see is how

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the the humans the protagonist is impacted by all of

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these things happening around him, and we're kind of rooting

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for the good guy, but we're also trying to get

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him to want to shake him and say, hey, pay

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attention to your family. Those are the important ones. It

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all comes back to trust and loyalty and our connection

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to each other. And that's what I'm able to show

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by having an AI that isn't the cliche robots, explosions

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and nuclear armageddon, but is instead working through shadows.

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Speaker 1: And you know that's happening every day because I mean,

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oh my god, the emails and the text messages and

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even me messing around with AI technology on chat GPT.

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There's a lot of stuff going on. It's like, I

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don't know if I need to be toying with this.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a great tool to use as long as

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it's helping us achieve something meaningful. Yeah, but it's so

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easy to get wrapped up in the technology and kind

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of forget that there are important people in our lives.

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And I wanted to pull on that string with the

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novel because I kind of share some of those bad

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qualities with the protagonist. I have guiltily put work in

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front of family and made those mistakes, and luckily I

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have people around me who have snapped me out of

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it when when it got too bad.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with jail Spears coming

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up next. Wait wait wait wait wait wait, there's more

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with Joe coming up next. The name of the book

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Damon Protocol. We're back with Joe jail Spears. See. I

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see books like this. The authors themselves are living in

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the future, your visionaries of a present that hasn't happened yet,

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and so therefore, because you're talking about it, we now

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have a sci fi type connection to what's going on,

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and it makes us more aware of where we are now.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I was hoping that some of these

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conversations could be had. So although we're nowhere near having

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an that's out to murder people and take over the world,

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the mechanisms that this fictional AI uses they exist in

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the real world. So all of the subtle control we

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see that with the way social media is set to

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people to divide us and make it difficult for us

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to connect with each other. We see the colonial pipeline,

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the cyber attack in two thousand and one that shut

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down fuel and gas in the southern US for a while.

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There was an Oldsman in Florida water treatment plant where

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a cyber attack attempted to dump a lie into the

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water beyond safe levels. And so we really need to

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be aware of what our digital footprint is and how

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we can protect ourselves online. So I bring that back

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to there's a teenager in the book who is having

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deep fakes made of her