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Speaker 2: The CIA has conducted a number of experiments that seem

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too science fiction to be real, and yet we keep

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finding that they are. This program is no exception to

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that rule. I'm talking esp KINISIS and remote viewing. Follow

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me down the rabbit Hole about the Stargate Project. Hello friends,

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and today we are talking about Project Stargate. Thank you

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hole dot gold right now. The Stargate Project, as we

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all refer to it as, has gone by a variety

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of different names over the years, depending on which agency

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was operating the program. We know it as a Stargate

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Project because in nineteen ninety one all the programs were

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consolidated into one, and that was the name it continued

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on as in nineteen seventy, US intelligence believed that the

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Soviets were spending about sixty million rubles a year on

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psychotronic research, so in response to the claims that the

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Soviet Union had produced results, the CIA started funding a

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new program called SCAN eight. Scan eight stands for scan

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by coordinate or scanning by coordinate. These were the initial

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experiments with psychics. Mind you, the Soviets are doing it

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is the same reason they gave for Mkultra and for

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the race to the moon.

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Speaker 3: So it kind of makes me wonder.

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Speaker 2: Like if their parents ever asked them that old adage,

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if your friends were all jumping off a bridge, would

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you do it too? And I bet the answer would

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probably be yes, and we can get to the bottom

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way faster. Because their mindset with this project was if

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there's even a one percent chance psychic spying works, we

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can't let the USSR be better at it than we are.

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Speaker 3: Scan eight was.

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Speaker 2: Exploratory research into viewing. It started out as an experiment

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to test what might be termed microabilities, but seemed to

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strengthen a macroability to remote view locations. With this, they

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set out to test this remote viewing on a gradient

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scale of increasing difficulty. Remote viewing research began in nineteen

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seventy two at the Stanford Research Institute or SRI, in

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Menlo Park, California. Remote viewing is the practice of seeking

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impressions about a distant or unseen object purportedly sensing with

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the mind. It is described as a supposed paranormal ability

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by which a person can gather information about a distant,

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unseen target. It's important to know that remote viewing is

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not bound by time and space a viewer can view

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anywhere at any time. In early occult and spiritualist literature,

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it was known as teleseesia and traveling clairvoyance clairvoyantly with

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the inner eye or in alleged out of body travel.

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This wasn't a new phenomenon. Major scientists started studying this

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in the mid nineteenth century, but as you would expect,

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reports about successful tests of this gift were met with

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a lot of suspicion and skepticism from the scientific community.

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So this actually caused most of the studies to be

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done more privately moving forward, that is, until the nineteen sixties,

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when there was a shift in thinking with the emergence

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of New Age thinking. In the early nineteen seventies, hal

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at Stanford Research Institute. They started testing psychics at SRI

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in nineteen seventy two. They were conducting experiments where the

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subject had to successfully receive a target that was in

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a different location. In some cases, the subject was separated

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from the target material by and l electrically isolated shielded room,

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and in other cases the target was on the other

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coast of the US so there's no way they could

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have known what it was. Swan was often the subject

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in the early days of the experiments. He would be

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given a target location by latitude and longitude and was

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required to immediately respond with what was at that location.

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These targets were chosen at random by different experimenters to

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make it harder to guess. They wanted to control the

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experiment as much as possible. In one case, he was

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given the coordinates for the middle of the ocean and

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his response was quote ocean beautiful, blue, green waves, sunshining

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ship toward north end quote. In another instance, he was

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given coordinates to the Soviet Union and his description was

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quote whend blowing their night telephone wires land flat place

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with fields cold end quote. They classified this response as

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a neutral response meaning some possibility of correspondence, with the

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first one being a hit meaning good description of the

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area near the vicinity of target because it was the

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middle of the ocean. There was a bit of a

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hiccup in the research though. They were testing psychics, one

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of them being Uri Geller and having pretty decent success.

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Geller would later go on to be internationally known as

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an illusionist, magician and psychic and this is where it

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all started for him. The DoD started paying attention to

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the results of this testing and wanted to ensure that

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it wasn't fabricated, so they hired a psych professor from

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the University of Oregon, Ray Hymen, to go to SRI

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and investigate. They specifically wanted Geller evaluated. Hymen sent back

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his report stating that Geller was a complete fraud, which

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caused SRI to lose their government contract. Geller took his

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psychic abilities on the road. He started going on late

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night TV shows trying to prove his psychic abilities, most

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famously on August first, nineteen seventy three, when Geller was

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supposed to bend a spoon on Johnny Carson.

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Speaker 3: But failed to do so.

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Speaker 2: He performed other tricks on the show as well, or

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he was supposed to, but he kind of just like

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kept stalling and taking breaks, and.

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Speaker 3: He really kind of seemed out of sorts.

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Speaker 2: He was saying he needed to focus, but felt too

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pressure during the show, so he never actually bent a spoon.

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ten metal canisters which one had water in it, and

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he pulled out like three or four that didn't have water,

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but never actually found the one that did have water,

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Johnny Carson to like ask him more questions. He's like,

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and Carson's like, well, we only have so much.

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Speaker 3: Time, so can you just perform a trick? And Geller

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did not.

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Speaker 2: Nevertheless, people started following him after this appearance because they

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believed a real psychic wouldn't be able to perform on

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demand every time, giving credibility to his performance or lack thereof. However,

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during the same time, they were having successes with us,

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the remote viewers they were also training. In nineteen seventy three,

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Pat Price, a retired police inspector, accurately described a secret

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NSA facility in West Virginia based solely on geographic coordinates

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provided to him. He gave detailed descriptions about the physical

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layout of the facility, names of several people working there,

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and even gave classified codewords from file folders that he

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saw on the desk, words such as Q ball, fourteen ball,

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eight ball, and rack up, which all corresponded to real

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intelligence data. Pat Price is actually a really interesting life

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story that I think is worth an entire episode on

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his own, So I'll probably do that as a bonus

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episode on Patreon. In nineteen seventy six, a Soviet bomber

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went down in the Congo. Details of this crash was

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sent to the CIA psychic researchers that were operating out

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of Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. Which is interesting

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that it's that base because that's actually the same base

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that is said to house the alien bodies from the

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Roswell crash.

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Speaker 3: So they are doing all.

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Speaker 2: That research and Hangar eighteen and somewhere else on the

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same base, they're doing psychic research. A lot of weird

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things going on in the Patterson Air Force Base. Once

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the CIA got the details, they enlisted one of their viewers,

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Rosemary Smith, to find the plane that had gone down.

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She began to draw maps of the Congo and then

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pointed to a specific area on the map where that

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plane was, and she was correct. They sent this group

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out to the location and they immediately found the plane.

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During the same time, the CIA wanted to test some

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other abilities, although mainly focused on remote viewing, The CIA

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wanted to test Swan's psychokinesis. They took him to a

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medical center to test if he could influence the results

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of a random number generator, and the report concluded that

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the experiment was successful. I'm not sure why they focused

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on remote viewing instead of testing and experimenting with both.

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we just don't know about. In nineteen seventy seven, the

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Army Assistant Chief of Staff of Intelligence Systems Exploitation Detachment

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started the Gondola WISH program. This program's goal was to

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evaluate potential adversary applications of remote viewing, and in August

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nineteen seventy eight, they submitted a summary of their work stating, quote,

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this investigation revealed a serious threat posed by Soviet parapsychological

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intelligence collection capability and demonstrated a need for a comprehensive

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countermeasures program end quote. And you know what program They

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chose to train the personnel for the countermeasures operation, The

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Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences, if you don't remember, the

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Monroe Institute also played a vital role in the Gifted

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and Talented program. The report went on to say the

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parapsychological technique they will be training in is known as

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out of body experience, which means that the person's consciousness

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is in a spatial location separate from the physical body.

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but only observing it in quote. The reason they were

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interested in out of body experiences is because they could

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then have quote subliminal telepathic communication with individuals at the

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target location end quote. So they really wanted to know

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if they could talk to people and influence people in

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the places that they were targeting. The Military Intelligence Group

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wasn't the first one to reach out to the Monroe

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an interest in Robert Monroe in like nineteen seventy three

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nineteen seventy four, but it really just never went beyond that.

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ultimately didn't pursue him. In nineteen seventy eight, Gondola Wish,

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which was only an intel gathering operation, transitioned into the

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operational program Grill Flame Grill Flame was a joint operation

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operated by the Defense Intelligence Agency or DIA, and the

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Army for three years, terminating at the end of the

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fiscal year nineteen eighty three. According to the Grill Flame

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Project report created by the DIA, the main goals were

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to evaluate the threat the foreign psycho energetics achievements might

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pose to US national security and to explore the potential

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of psycho energetics for use in US intelligence collection.

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remote viewing, extrasensory perception ESP, and psychokinesis. They specify remote

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viewing and ESP as the ability of an individual to

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access and describe remote geographic locations or to access and

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describe concealed data via undefined transmission mechanisms. Psychokinesis is described

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as the mental ability to influence physical or biological systems

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via undefined physical mechanisms. Some of the key findings to

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come out of this project was that remote viewing is

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a real phenomenon. It is not degraded by distance or shielding.

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Remote viewing ability can be improved by appropriate training procedures.

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It has the potential for US intelligence applications and a

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potential threat to US national security exists from foreign achievements

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in psycho energetics. They found that the Chinese and Soviets

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had high level government backing that their research was well funded.

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the remote viewing data, and they compile a database.

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SRI because they had begun remote viewing research ten years

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prior to this and was the best institute for the job.

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and all the sessions were conducted under controlled conditions.

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rate to really skyrocket. Some of the tasks assigned to

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the viewers were to locate hostages, enemy facilities, submarines, and

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even Soviet weapons systems. When Grill Flame was defunded at

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the end of fiscal year nineteen eighty three, it returned

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to just being an army program called Center Lane Cindra

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Lane was the name of the remote viewing program covering

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from the end of nineteen eighty three to nineteen eighty five,

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when it lost funding once again. This program was developed

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by Ingo Swan and Hal Putov from SRI. They trained

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five people in the controlled remote viewing or CRV method.

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the program had another turnover in nineteen eighty six. The

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DIA got involved once again and the project got the

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name Sunstreak. This project was not just research based. They

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were an operational remote viewing unit, with the anticipated applications

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being descriptions of otherwise inaccessible areas to bos for redirecting

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other collection assets, narrowing down locations and overall functions, anticipating

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near term activities or events, and determining the presence or

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absence of targets they wanted to use this for like

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treaty monitoring and hostage situations. Lastly, in nineteen ninety one,

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the project got its final name Stargate. Operated under the

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DIA and CIA, This is the last official project utilizing

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remote viewing. This is when the contract transferred from SRI

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to Science Applications International Corporation or SAIC. The three main

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activity areas this program focused on were foreign assessment, external research, and.

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Speaker 3: In house investigations.

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Speaker 2: Basically the same things as all the other programs. What

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is the Soviet Union doing when it comes to psychic

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or parapsychological research? What more can we learn about it?

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And let's put it to the test. And like the

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other programs, they were giving remote viewers targets with miss

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animal sensory cues like vague coordinates or sealed envelopes, sometimes both.

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and give them coordinates and try to get them to

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create something. The point was to control the conditions as

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much as possible, to eliminate the random guesses or guessing

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strategies that could potentially be used. The goal was still

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the same lowcate hostages describe facilities and gather information where

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no physical access was available. The only reason it kept

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changing names and agencies is due to the money. Like always,

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especially when it comes to the government. Officially, the Stargate

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project came to a close in nineteen ninety five due

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to the conclusion that it did not produce reliable, useful intelligence,

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so it didn't justify funding anymore. Plus the Cold War

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into in nineteen ninety one, so they weren't fighting the

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Soviet Union anymore. Publicly, they wanted to close the project.

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The CIA asked the American Institute for Research AIR to

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investigate the program for effectiveness and found that remote viewing

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is barely better than pure chance. No remote viewing ever

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offered actionable information for any intelligence operation, although it did

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offer actionable information when it came to the recovery operation

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in the case of the Soviet bomber in the.

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Speaker 3: Congo, But I guess that doesn't count.

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Speaker 2: Then, the director of the CIA went on ABC news

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Nightlife to discuss remote viewing and the AIR report and

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stated that he never knew of a time when viewing

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had significantly contributed to a policy decision or informed policymakers

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about critical information. Edwin May, the former head of the

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government's esp research program, said that was all a lie. Nevertheless,

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the program was publicly ended, which is exactly what they wanted.

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But the Stargate project was so much bigger than the

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declassified CIA files tell us remote viewers were used in

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so many operations and were delivering real results. The CIA

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director just wanted the public to think that it was

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all done, that whatever they were doing before didn't produce anything,

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and officially it's closed. Right, Let's get into the real

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results they were delivering before we get into if they're

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still operating. Joseph McGonagall is one of the most famous

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remote viewers. He was in the Army in Vietnam in

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nineteen seventy He was injured in a helicopter accident and

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when he recovered he said he had psychic abilities. That's

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when he changes jobs in the Army and went to

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work for the Stargate Project. He has said to be

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Remote Viewer number zero zero one, stationed at Fort Meade, Maryland.

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He worked in the RV program from nineteen seventy eight

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to nineteen eighty four, when he retired from the Army,

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and then continued to work as a consultant for the

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Stargate Project until nineteen ninety three. He had a success

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rate of twenty percent, which seems kind of low, but

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when you're remote.

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Speaker 3: Viewing, that feels pretty good.

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Speaker 2: During his time, he says he viewed the past, present,

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and future. He provided information on one hundred and fifty

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targets not known from other sources. Even though he completed

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way more missions than that. It said he completed like

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four hundred and fifty missions, but one hundred and fifty

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of them were not known from any other sources. He

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reported seeing inside a secret Soviet manufacturing facility and most

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famously correctly identified a Soviet submarine.

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Speaker 3: No one else knew about.

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Speaker 2: US intelligence knew of a facility in the Soviet Union

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where they were building something really big, but they could

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just they never could get close enough to find out

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what it was, and they couldn't get somebody close enough

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to find out, Like, they couldn't get like a picture

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of it from flying overhead, and the facility wasn't near

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the coast, so they didn't really think it was a ship. However,

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Joe and another viewer both told them that it was

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a submarine, like a really big submarine. He said that

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it was thirty three feet shy of the length of

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the Soviet aircraft carrier, and it looked like two submarines

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that were cut in half and then welded together. He

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specified that the submarine would be launched one hundred and

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fourteen days from the time they were talking about the submarine,

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and sure enough, overhead photos of the harbor were ordered

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for that day that he specified, and they saw a

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Typhoon class submarine in the harbor and it looks like

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two submarines welded together.

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Speaker 3: And it is huge.

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Speaker 2: During events like the nineteen eighty Iranian hostage crisis, remote

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viewers were critical. On November fourth, nineteen seventy nine, the

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US embassy in Tehran was stormed and sixty six American

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diplomats and citizens were taken hostage.

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Speaker 3: Fifty two of.

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Speaker 2: Them were held for four hundred and forty four days.

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Joe was tasked with sketching locations where hostages were being held.

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They would then take the sketches, check them against satellite imagery,

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and make plans based on the information. Now, there were

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some setbacks in the actual execution of the rescue, but

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this shows how helpful remote viewing is and can be.

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In another case, in nineteen eighty nine, if you were

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successfully pinpointed where fugitive Charlie Jordan was in northern Wyoming.

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Charlie was a DEA agent in South Florida who started

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taking bribes from people that wanted to bring drugs in.

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Speaker 3: When he was.

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Speaker 2: Found out, he went on the run, ending up in Wyoming.

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The viewer said he was in loll Wyoming l Owel,

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and because there is no loll Wyoming, they kind of

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like brushed off the tip. They're like, Nope, that was

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not a successful hit. Well, there is a level Wyoming

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l O v Ell, which is just one letter off,

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and a couple weeks later he was picked up in

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that town.

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Speaker 4: Hi, this is Alex Kantchwitz. I'm the host of Big

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Technology Podcast, a longtime reporter and an on air contributor

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to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to

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figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world

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and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I

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host key actors from the companies building AI tech and

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outsiders trying to influence it, asking where this is all going,

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places like Nvidio, Microsoft, Amazon. So if you want to

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Speaker 2: And well, since they can use remote viewing with a

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decent enough accuracy here on Earth, they kind of started

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to wonder, like could we use remote viewing to visit

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other planets. This takes us back to Joe.

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Speaker 3: Joe claims he visited Mars.

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Speaker 2: This happened in nineteen eighty four, right before he got

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out of the army.

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Speaker 3: He was in a room with a researcher. This is

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kind of how they did it right.

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Speaker 2: They had the researcher there to write down all the

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notes that the viewer was talking about, and he was

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given a sealed envelope and told not to open it.

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But he was also given a set of coordinates and

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asked to tell the researcher what he's saw. Here's the envelope,

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here's the coordinates.

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Speaker 3: Neither him nor the researcher knew what was in the envelope.

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Speaker 2: They both knew the coordinates, but researcher doesn't really know

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the coordinates right.

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Speaker 3: Trying not to give anything away to Joe. So then

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he started to remote you.

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Speaker 2: And he started out by saying he was seeing pyramids

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of sorts, that they were very high, and he said

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he saw a perception of a shadow of people, but

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they were very tall and thin, but it was only

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a shadow as if.

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Speaker 3: They were there, but they aren't there anymore. Kind of situation.

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Speaker 2: So the researcher asked him if he could go back

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in time to win they were there, to which he

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was kind of having trouble. He said, it was like

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static on the line. It was very fragmented, and he

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was like trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together,

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and the researcher was like, don't try to put the

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puzzles together. Don't try to piece it together. Just give

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me the raw data. So he said he kept seeing

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these very large people. They were tall, they were thin,

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they were wearing really strange clothes. He then asked in

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the same session to explore other coordinates. He still doesn't

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have any information, and he still hadn't opened the envelope.

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So with the new coordinates and with the sealed envelope,

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explain to us what you're seeing. He starts explaining an

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obelist looking thing that looked like the Washington Monument, rounded

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carved channels that looked like roadbeds, and pyramids that appeared

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to be storm shelters. And in the pyramids there were

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more tall, shadowy people that seemed to be hibernating. He says,

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they seem to be an ancient people that are dying.

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When he has done with the session, he opens the

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envelope and it reads the planet Mars time of interest

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approximately one million years BC, which makes me wonder, like

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why that time period were they trying to verify.

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Speaker 3: Something they already knew? Were they trying to test out

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a theory like how long ago did.

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Speaker 2: People live on Mars? Like why specifically then? And then

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it makes me wonder did they have other viewers viewing

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further back in time or viewing like sooner trying to

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figure out what's going on in Mars? And I mean

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in the program, the viewers were given very specific directions

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like you do not talk to the other viewers about

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what you're being asked to view. You just do your job,

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and then once you leave this room, you're done, Like

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we're not talking about it anymore. It was very classified,

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so they would all go to lunch together or something.

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They're not talking about what they're viewing. They're not saying like,

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oh you view that, I viewed that too, they're not

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comparing notes.

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Speaker 3: So unless somebody comes forward to say, oh I also

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viewed Mars, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: And this wasn't the only time they task the one

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with viewing off planet. In nineteen eighty six, a viewer

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was tasked with observing Saturn's moon Titan right now. Titan

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is the best place for potential colonies off Earth, even

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like for us today. So this viewer reported a base

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on the surface of Titan. Upon entering the base, she

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discovered the operators of the base looked very human. She

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saw two human males operating a control panel under the

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supervision of an attractive female. What we don't know from

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this viewing is the time period in which she was

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viewing it. Could it actually be humans and a man

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made base on Titan sometime in the future, Like did

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we successfully get to Titan? Are there already humans living

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on Titan that we don't know about? There's a lot

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of questions there. Aliens have been encountered before as well,

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like obviously these aliens.

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Speaker 3: Or human like beings were discovered.

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Speaker 2: But the same viewer who viewed Titan also reported on

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a time she was directed to Mount Hayes and Alaska

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and observed two entities working outside a structure. Inside the

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structure was this human like technician working on a machine.

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The technician noticed the viewer and invited her to examine

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the machine he was working on. This was the first

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time a remote viewer reported being seen. There were instances

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of intel. The CIA was given by their viewers, but

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didn't actually take Like before, we talked about the Charlie

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Jordan case. On April twentieth, nineteen ninety five, the day

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after the Oklahoma City bombing, Joe reported that the attack

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wasn't executed by two people, but rather by five people,

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three of whom were Arabic. He specifically pointed to Iraq

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as the likely origin of these foreign Islamic terrorists. One

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of the weirdest parts about this is that Joe reported

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a man named Carl to be connected to the bombing.

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Of course, neither Timothy mcveay nor Terry Nichols were named

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or nicknamed Carl, and none of the Arabic suspects were

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named Carl. But an on call doctor from a nearby

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hospital who was the first person on the scene of

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the bombing was named Carl Spingler, which I think gives

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credibility to Joe's account of the Oklahoma City bombing. But

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of course no one outside of Timothy McVay and Terry

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Nichols were accused of this spombing. Now, Stargate is officially

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shut down, but like mk Ultra, I don't believe they

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ever stopped using it, and recently I had a civilian

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remote viewer on the podcast that episode will actually drop

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after this one, and she described remote viewing into secret

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military bases that people know about, like Area fifty one

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in Antarctica, and encountering government remote viewers.

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Speaker 3: These viewers were.

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Speaker 2: Specifically there to keep out other remote viewers, be that

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like civilian or foreign military remote viewers. I asked her

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what branch of the military they were in, and she

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didn't know. She didn't know like the different branches. But

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I don't think they're in a branch of the military.

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I think they're CIA Ordia. She said that she has

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found a way around being caught that like basically she

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cloaks herself and then they can't see her. But they

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are definitely still utilizing remote viewers, and if they're still

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using them as defense, they're probably still using them as

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offense as well, especially because they've gone to such great

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lengths to shut it down publicly and now cover it up.

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Because when you type in project Stargate in the search engine,

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the CIA operation is not the first thing that pops up.

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Stargate LLC and AI joint venture is the top search result,

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and in fact, every search result on the first page

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when you type in project Stargate is about the AI

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venture and not about the remote viewing Stargate. And I

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also believe that could be the reason for all the

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name changes.

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Speaker 3: If they change the name of.

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Speaker 2: The operation every couple of years, it's harder to follow

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the trail. So you have all these different things trying

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to cover up the Stargate project. Makes me wonder if

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they're still using remote viewers they just shut it down,

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or they changed the name again and they made it

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more secret, or another option is that they could have

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combined a couple different experimental projects into one product. There

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were other tests for ESP that they were doing prior

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to any of this remote viewing testing that they were doing,

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and I'm going to do an episode on that. I

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think it might be a bonus episode as well, just

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because I don't think it'll be a lot of information.

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But they're doing other ESP testing way back in nineteen

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fifty nine, and so if they continued on with that

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ESP testing in a different project, then they had this

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remote viewing testing in this project. They could have easily

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combined those into one parapsychological military effort. And that''s not

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the first time we've heard of that I know that

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the Navy was actually doing research into what creates that

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sixth sense in certain people, or that gut feeling that

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people have. There's been so much interest into these abilities

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that I don't believe they've shut these projects down.

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Speaker 3: And I'd love to know what you believe.

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Speaker 2: But until next week, my friends, stay skeptical, and I

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will see you all then.

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Speaker 3: Hey, friends.

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