WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:30.320 Welcome back to the Path Went Chili. 2 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:34.000 I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and I'm Ashley. 3 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.520 Let's dive right into this week's case. 4 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:42.799 July twenty seven, two thousand and nine, Placentia, California, Eighty 5 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:45.439 one year old Bob Herod is discovered to be missing 6 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:47.840 from his home, and he's left his car and his 7 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:51.880 eyeglasses behind. One month earlier, Bob had gotten married to 8 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.079 Fontelle Heater, a former spouse whom he had not seen 9 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.240 in six decades, and she was scheduled to move in 10 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.960 with him two days after he disappeared. Since Bob has 11 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.200 a substantial net worth, the situation causes a lot of 12 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:08.920 friction between Fontel and Bob's daughters about the division of 13 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:12.879 his assets. But even though investigators suspect that Bob may 14 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:15.400 have been a victim of foul play, no trace of 15 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:16.599 him is ever found. 16 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:21.719 After that the path went chilly. So today we're going 17 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:24.359 to be exploring an odd missing person's case involving an 18 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:28.480 elderly man, the two thousand and nine disappearance of Bob Herod. 19 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.000 This case was once featured on an episode of the 20 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:35.000 popular true crime TV show Disappeared. The title of the 21 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:38.079 episode was long lost love because Bob Harod was an 22 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.959 eighty one year old widower who reconnected with a long 23 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.280 lost sweetheart named Fontale Heater, whom he had not seen 24 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.519 for several decades, and they immediately decided to get married. 25 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.719 The whole situation initially seemed like a very sweet, heartwarming 26 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:54.400 love story, but things would take a much darker turn 27 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.640 when Bob inexplicably vanished without a trace. Now, in many 28 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:02.840 missing persons cases elderly individuals, one of the most logical 29 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.280 explanations is that the victim became disoriented or had some 30 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:08.759 sort of medical issue which caused them to wander off, 31 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.560 but that doesn't seem to be the case here, as 32 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:13.960 the authorities are inclined to believe that Bob was the 33 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:18.240 victim of foul play. Even though Bob lived a modest lifestyle, 34 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:21.159 he was actually worth millions, so his decision to get 35 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.360 remarried caused some friction with his three daughters, who were 36 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:27.400 not thrilled over the idea of Fontale getting her hands 37 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.919 on their father's estate. Not only that, but prior to 38 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:34.639 reconnecting with Fontale, Bob had developed a close relationship with 39 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:36.919 a much younger woman whom he had given a lot 40 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:41.039 of money to, so given the circumstances, it seemed plausible 41 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.039 that Bob's finances might have somehow played a role in 42 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:47.879 his disappearance. Without a body or any physical evidence to 43 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.759 work with at all, investigators have been unable to crack 44 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.280 this case, though at one point two unnamed persons of 45 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:57.879 interest were briefly arrested and detained before they were released 46 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.719 without charge. There are number of different possibilities here for 47 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.000 what may have happened, which is why we're going to 48 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:06.159 discuss them all on this series of episodes. 49 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:10.360 How interesting you have an eighty one year old man 50 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:12.879 who goes missing, and, like you said, the very first 51 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.439 thing I thought of is could he have possibly wondered off? 52 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.759 Could he have gotten lost? And you said that there 53 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.360 really wasn't a sign of that. Instead, there's a suspicion 54 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:24.719 of foul play. And then the whole world kind of 55 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:28.199 cracks open of who it could be because you have Fontelle, 56 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.319 who's his newly reconnected love, but you also have this 57 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.000 younger woman who at some point he had a relationship 58 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.400 with and gave a lot of money to. You have 59 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:41.080 his own family members, and then you know, could this 60 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:44.240 be a random crime. There's kind of countless possibilities, which 61 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:48.240 is likely why it's still an unsolved case. But I 62 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.719 can't wait to hear more because again, there's so many 63 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:52.400 different directions this case could be going. 64 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:55.680 Yeah, it is interesting that the authorities have seen one 65 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.319 hundred percent certain that Bob was the victim of foul play, 66 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.360 even though there is really no evidence of foul play, 67 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.639 like there isn't any blood or any damage to suggest that, 68 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:07.400 like somebody heard them. But they obviously have more information 69 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:09.360 than we have, so I'm pretty sure they have good 70 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:12.360 reason to believe that's someone harmed Bob. And we're going 71 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.159 to talk about a number of potential suspects here. And 72 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.920 even though the Internet is not particularly fond of Bob's 73 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:21.639 three daughters and how they're portrayed in this story, it 74 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:24.319 is crazy to think when you wonder, could all three 75 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.360 of them collude it together to make Bob disappear because 76 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.360 they wanted to inherit his money. Because there are many 77 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.360 cases out there where the child will make their parent 78 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:36.079 disappear or kill them in order to inherit their estate, 79 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:38.920 but very rarely will you see three of them collude 80 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.240 together in order to do something like that, which is 81 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:43.519 why it's just very hard to get a hold on 82 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:44.639 what actually happened here. 83 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:49.680 And wouldn't we need to know if the will included 84 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.319 them or if he'd changed the will because we know 85 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:55.360 that he'd married Fontelle. So if they were planning on 86 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:01.040 killing Bob and having the estate be the directly like 87 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.959 inherit the estate, then wouldn't they want to do that 88 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:07.519 prior to Bob legally marrying Fontelle? Or is it just 89 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.959 a case where they didn't have that information that Bob 90 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:13.360 just sprung it on them and they were none the 91 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:16.720 wiser until the legal proceedings had already taken place. 92 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:19.839 Does seem like a last second decision, as we're going 93 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:22.279 to talk about when Bob decided to marry Fontelle. So 94 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:25.000 it is possible that his daughters had no prior knowledge 95 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.639 of it and just kind of panicked later on when 96 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:30.600 they found out what happened. But again, would they all 97 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:33.319 three of them be willing to commit murder together? 98 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:36.360 And let's just put this out there. If dad's eighty 99 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:39.000 one years old, and yes he might be getting remarried 100 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.639 or kind of squandering his money on women. If he 101 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.879 has multi millions and you're his kids, wouldn't there just 102 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.879 be kind of a fingers crossed he's eighty one, and 103 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.040 if you're out for his money, you'd wait for him 104 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:49.759 to pass away. 105 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:53.560 And like, I don't think it's that unreasonable. Like we 106 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.199 can portray them in this really negative light, and we 107 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.279 can say that they're greedy and they're this, and they're that, 108 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:01.240 But I don't think it's side the realm of what 109 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:05.439 would be considered normal or typical behavior for a child 110 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:08.240 at the age that they're at. They have a certain 111 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:11.759 expectation and if they feel like, given his behavior, those 112 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:16.000 expectations won't be met financially, then it makes sense that 113 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.800 they would be very cautious over anyone who's entering his 114 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.959 life at that point and questioning their motives. That doesn't 115 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:24.360 make them guilty of murder. 116 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:28.720 Absolutely not. And I'll put a little NOTEUBT to my parents, 117 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.399 you want to get remarried at eighty one, I'd be 118 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:33.600 very hurt if there was not some kind of protection 119 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.519 of assets for the children who probably helped care for 120 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.439 you and our other you know, parent who probably passed 121 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:42.199 passed away at this point, and all of those things. 122 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.079 If it was something like you said, Jules, where there's 123 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.199 been an expectation of, hey, kids, this is kind of 124 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.519 how you know life's going to go when I am 125 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.399 no longer here, Because that is a conversation adult children 126 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.560 have with their parents. It would be a little nerve 127 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.240 wracking to watch a much younger woman come in and take, 128 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.120 you know, some of his resources and then he gets remarried, 129 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:05.079 and you know, people are goible and loving and want 130 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.040 to share with their new spouse and things like that. 131 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:10.240 But I am with you, Jules, from the get go. 132 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:14.279 My default would be the girls are simply sitting there saying, hey, 133 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:16.759 something's not right, and I'm getting frustrated with the situation. 134 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:22.720 Our story begins in two thousand and nine in Placentia, California, 135 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.639 a city located in Orange County near Anaheim, which had 136 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:29.959 a population of around fifty thousand at the time. Our 137 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.000 central figure is eighty one year old Robert Merle Herod, 138 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.639 who goes by the name of Bob and has lived 139 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.759 in Placentia for the past seven years. A year and 140 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:42.399 a half earlier, Bob's wife of fifty seven years, Georgia Herod, 141 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.959 passed away after a prolonged illness, but he has three 142 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:50.319 married daughters named ROBERTA Brady, Paula Borcher, and Julie Michaels, 143 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:54.519 as well as a grandson and three great grandchildren. Shortly 144 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.759 after losing his wife, Bob's pet dog also got sick 145 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.120 and had to be euthanized, so he went through a 146 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.480 major depression, which included a six month period where he 147 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.120 told his daughters that he wanted to be alone in 148 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:10.319 order to gather his thoughts. However, Bob's outlook suddenly got 149 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:13.519 a lot brighter when he was contacted by a seventy 150 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:17.720 three year old long lost love named Fontel Heater. Bob 151 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.879 and Fontel had first met in nineteen forty nine while 152 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:23.519 they were living in the small town of McFall, Missouri, 153 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.360 and they would become engaged to be married the following year. However, 154 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:30.160 Bob had joined the Marine Reserves, and before their wedding 155 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:32.879 could take place, he was ordered to report to Camp 156 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.480 Penalty in California. The couple agreed to stay in touch, 157 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.360 but even though Fontel attempted to send letters to a 158 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.240 residence where Bob was staying in California, they were always 159 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.080 returned to her. At the time, the woman who owned 160 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.840 this residence was attempting to hook Bob up with her niece, 161 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:52.240 so in retrospect, Fontel believed that the woman may have 162 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:55.600 intercepted the letters and sent them back before Bob could 163 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.759 have read them. For his part, Bob never attempted to 164 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:01.720 contact Fontel on his own because he feared he might 165 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.759 be shipped overseas to serve in the Korean War. I 166 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:06.960 did not want to hold her to a commitment if 167 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:10.759 he did not survive. The couple completely lost touch and 168 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:14.000 went their separate ways. As Bob soon met and married 169 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.360 his wife, Georgia will Fontell went through two marriages of 170 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:20.399 her own and had a total of three children. By 171 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:23.080 two thousand and six, Fontell was still living in Missouri, 172 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:26.240 but was left a widow when her second husband passed away. 173 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.960 Three years later. Fontel felt a sudden desire to connect 174 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.639 with Bob, and her daughter managed to track him down 175 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:36.080 on the Internet and obtained his phone number. Fontel gave 176 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:38.279 him a call, and they spoke for the first time 177 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:42.440 in nearly sixty years. Bob told Fonteale that he'd always 178 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:44.799 wanted to track her down as well, but didn't know 179 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:48.360 what her married name was. Shortly after they connected, Bob 180 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:51.919 mailed Fontell a letter which read, quote May third, two 181 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:54.480 thousand and nine, the first day of the rest of 182 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.039 my life. Dearest Fonteale, your call was an answer to 183 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.960 my prayer. I've been thinking of you every day lately 184 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.240 and many times over the years, and regretting leaving you 185 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:09.600 under the conditions at the time. End quote stop. 186 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:13.840 That is the seiest thing I've ever heard. Okay, so 187 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:18.639 this is pretty incredible. You have two people who lived good, 188 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.679 full lives and they lost their spouse, and there's still 189 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.679 this idea that everyone remembers their first love. Everyone remembers 190 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:28.559 people that they were with when they were younger. And 191 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.759 this was a relationship that didn't end badly. It ended 192 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:35.480 because of military duty and kind of the fears of 193 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.879 that time and just different communication abilities, and there was 194 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.720 an attempt right to communicate. There was a love that 195 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.600 was still there. And then they moved forward with their lives. 196 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.840 They lost other loves of their life, and now sixty 197 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.639 years later, he writes a letter that says, your call 198 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.639 was an answer to my prayers. I've been thinking of 199 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:00.440 you every day lately. Think about how lonely he was. 200 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:04.039 You could tell he was looking for partnership and companionship 201 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:07.399 because that's likely why he partnered with that younger girl, 202 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:10.120 and you know, was willing to share his assets with her. 203 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.399 But this is someone he actually had a faithful connection 204 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:15.720 to at some point and that there still was a 205 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:20.720 love that had never been a negative in his life whatsoever. 206 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:23.679 It was just a part of the times. And so 207 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.240 I find this incredibly romantic. I think it's super sweet. 208 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.399 I secretly hate that he was eighty one when this 209 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:34.039 is happening, because they could have had decades together had 210 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:37.080 it been you know, where he was sixty in reconnecting 211 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.440 or something like that. But I think it's phenomenal. I 212 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.799 think it's exciting from this. I don't feel like Fontell 213 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:44.919 would have a motive to hurt him, because I think 214 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:48.240 she was truly longing to reconnect with him. 215 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:50.840 Yeah, this is just such a sweet and sad part 216 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:52.919 of the story. And I remember seeing this for the 217 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.120 first time when it was featured on Disappeared several years ago, 218 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.600 and it was not like your typical episode because the 219 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:00.720 first part of it was just so nice and sweet 220 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.159 because you're learning this love story and how these people 221 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:06.960 reconnected after sixty years and that Bob after like all 222 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.720 these years of depression from losing his wife, was now 223 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.559 experiencing happiness again for the first time in a while, 224 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:15.799 and just he seemed destined to spend the rest of 225 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:17.679 his happy life with the woman that he had not 226 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:19.720 seen in quite some time. And then just within the 227 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.440 span of a few months, it just all goes completely 228 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:25.159 downhill and he vanishes without a trace, and the story 229 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:29.039 just gets very dark, very quickly. So for the next 230 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.960 several weeks, Bob and Fontell continue to speak on the 231 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.440 phone virtually every day until he invited her to California 232 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.759 to visit him. He proceeded to introduce Fontel to his 233 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:42.240 three daughters and they managed to rekindle the relationship, and 234 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:45.080 that given their advanced ages, Bob did not feel the 235 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:47.919 need to take things slowly, so he decided to propose 236 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:51.600 to Fontelle. Not only did Fontel say yes, but it 237 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:54.559 turned out she still had the original engagement rank Bob 238 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:57.360 had given her back in nineteen fifty, though they would 239 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:00.360 still both buy each other so new wedding rings. On 240 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.440 June the twenty ninth, only six days after Fontel arrived 241 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:06.480 in California, the couple decided to go to the county 242 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:09.759 courthouse in Fullerton in order to obtain a marriage license, 243 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:13.360 and they tied the knot that very same day. Of course, 244 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:15.480 Fontel was planning to move in with Bob at his 245 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.840 residence and Carnation Drive, but before she could do so, 246 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:21.720 she needed to travel back to Missouri in order to 247 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:24.759 settle her affairs, pack up her belongings, and move out 248 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.120 of her former residence. By the evening of Monday, July 249 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.240 the twenty seventh, Fontel was only two days away from 250 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.600 permanently relocating to Placentia, but she became concerned when she 251 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.000 attempted to foam Bob multiple times and received no answer. 252 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.519 At around midnight, Bontel received a call from Bob's daughter, Julie, 253 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.399 who informed her that Bob was missing. 254 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.440 That is tragic. You have this elderly woman who's trying 255 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:55.000 to completely uproot her life, and she's saying, like, Hey, 256 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:58.559 my life's going to end with my former soulmate. You know, 257 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.480 this person that I got to reconnect with, and I've 258 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:03.360 got to do all these things to settle. I've got 259 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.320 to get all my stuff moved, I've got to get 260 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:07.279 out of my old residence. I've got to settle all 261 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:09.559 my affairs with my own children and things like that, 262 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:14.440 and she's committed, she's ready to go, and two days 263 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.639 before she's completely changing her life and starting a new chapter, 264 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:22.879 he goes missing. And I do find it encouraging that 265 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:25.480 the daughters reaching out to her, so it's not like 266 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:30.399 they're estranged or angry with her necessarily. It seems like 267 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.960 Julie knew Fontelle was important and needed to be somebody 268 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.360 included in on this information. So from there it seems 269 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.320 like Julie at least respected Fontelle enough to say she's 270 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:42.879 one of the most important people that needs to know 271 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:44.679 this info. Well. 272 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:47.240 Unfortunately, as we're going to find out, the relationship between 273 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.159 Fontel and the three daughters, wh would sour very quickly, 274 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.159 and of course it had to do a lot with 275 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:55.159 money and finances, because as we're going to talk about, 276 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.360 it seemed like they were quite unhappy that Bob had 277 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.759 just suddenly met this new woman and it appeared that 278 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.440 she was going to inherit a lot of his estate. 279 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:04.759 And like you talked about earlier, when your kids and 280 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:07.559 your your parent is getting up to an advanced age 281 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:09.840 and you assume that they're going to leave you everything. 282 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:12.600 Just having this new change in your life to up 283 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:14.679 rut any thing can cause a lot of friction. 284 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.960 So Julie and her husband, Jeff Michaels lived in the 285 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.440 town of Running Springs, and earlier that morning, Jeff had 286 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:24.879 traveled to Bob's house in order to help him fix 287 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:29.320 up the place in preparation for Fontel's arrival. Jeff claimed 288 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:32.840 that sometime between two thirty and two forty pm, he 289 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.000 stepped out to make a trip to home depot to 290 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.200 pick up some supplies. When he returned to the residence 291 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:41.759 less than one hour later, he found Bob's housekeeper, Agnes, 292 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:45.919 sitting outside on the front porch. Agnes had been Bob's 293 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:49.000 housekeeper for over ten years, and even though she usually 294 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:51.759 worked for him on Tuesdays, Bob had arranged for her 295 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:54.159 to come by the house one day earlier than normal 296 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.440 in order to clean the place. Agnes told Jeff that 297 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:01.000 she arrived sometime between three and three thirty, but discovered 298 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:03.879 that the front door was locked. When no one answered 299 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.440 the door, Agnes proceeded to wait on the porch for 300 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.519 the next fifteen minutes until Jeff returned. Jeff was able 301 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.039 to let himself and Agnes into the house through the 302 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:16.360 back door and even though Jeff initially thought that Bob 303 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:19.120 might be upstairs taking a nap, he was nowhere to 304 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:23.240 be found. Bob's nineteen ninety seven Toyota camery was still 305 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.240 parked outside, and even though his wallet and keys were 306 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.480 not at the residence, he left behind his eyeglasses. Bob 307 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:32.559 did not own a cell phone, so no one could 308 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:35.519 call him to see where he might be, and Agnes 309 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:39.080 was surprised to discover that Bob's bed was unmade, which 310 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:42.559 she said was very uncharacteristic of him whenever she frequented 311 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:46.879 the residence. In spite of this, Jeff was not initially concerned, 312 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:48.960 since he thought that Bob might have stepped out to 313 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:51.679 go for a walk or visit a neighbor, so he 314 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.000 and Agnes continued their work fixing up and cleaning the house. 315 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.759 Jeff left at around six p m. While Agnes left 316 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:02.039 a short time later, but by that point Bob still 317 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:05.920 had not return. Later that evening, Julie called the residence 318 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.880 in order to check on Bob, but there was no answer, 319 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.000 and when she called her two sisters, Roberta and Paula, 320 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:14.359 they both said that they'd not heard from their father. 321 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.559 This compelled Roberta to call the Placentia Police Department to 322 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:21.359 ask them to perform a welfare check at Bob's residence, 323 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.599 but when they arrived, the house was still empty. Julie 324 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:28.200 then decided to call Fontel in Missouri to see if 325 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:31.559 she'd heard from Bob, but since Fonteale also knew nothing 326 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:35.759 about his current whereabouts, she contacted the Placentia PD in 327 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:37.880 order to officially report Bob missing. 328 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:42.720 Well, there is a huge concern here. Bob's bed was unmade, 329 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.119 and Agnes, who knows him pretty well, she's been with 330 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:49.720 him for a decade cleaning his areas right, would know 331 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:51.920 how he kept his things, and so for her to 332 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:54.480 say the bed was always made when he got out 333 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.200 of it, which is not abnormal for someone who used 334 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.799 to be in the military. Right, So she says, it's 335 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.519 odd his bed's unmade and his keys and his wallet 336 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:08.640 are not there. It's almost like either he voluntarily got 337 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.200 up in a hurry and needed to go do something 338 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.079 and then got apprehended or something away from the home, 339 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:17.880 or that someone entered the home and rushed him to 340 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:21.279 get ready and leave. But I understand where they're coming from. 341 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:24.160 For an elderly person to be out and about, especially 342 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:28.400 on foot. They would be home and before the sun 343 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.200 goes down, right, we all know you're eating at four 344 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:34.079 pm for dinner and you're coming home at you know, five, 345 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:36.000 and you're getting ready and sitting and watching TV and 346 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:39.400 going to bed. So I can just feel the panic 347 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:42.759 that was rising when you see things are out of sorts. 348 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.799 He doesn't have his glasses, what he needs. Bed wasn't made, 349 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.400 but he did take his wallet and his keys, which 350 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.920 makes me think maybe he did leave and locked the 351 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:55.640 door up because the door was locked, but he doesn't 352 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:58.359 have his car, so he shouldn't have been going that far. 353 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:00.960 It's almost like something happened into him when he left 354 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:01.640 the residence. 355 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.240 And that's what's weird about it is the narrow time 356 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:08.039 frame because as we're going to talk about, Jeff's story 357 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:10.359 did seem to check out, because we're going to reveal 358 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.839 that there was footage of him at home depot around 359 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:16.559 two thirty two forty, and we know that Agnes arrived 360 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:19.599 between three and three thirty. So if Jeff is telling 361 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.119 the complete truth, then something happened to Bob during a 362 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.279 window of only like thirty to forty minutes. And there's 363 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:27.440 just no evidence to sus jess why other than the 364 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.160 fact that his is a wallet and keys are are gone. 365 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.000 So did he leave with someone in a vehicle? Did 366 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:35.200 he walk and something happened to him. It's just so 367 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:37.759 strange that this would happen and he just kind of 368 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:38.839 vanished without a trace. 369 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:43.839 Two questions, he's a first question, do you know if 370 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.400 Bob was nearsighted or far sighted, or what his prescription 371 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:48.440 was for his glasses. 372 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:51.920 I'm not entirely sure, but I do know that every 373 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:54.720 single photograph that I've seen a Bob online, he is 374 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:57.480 wearing his glasses, so I have to assume he probably 375 00:19:57.480 --> 00:19:58.480 needed them to see. 376 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:03.200 Yeah, like a near sighted person, I'm not going anywhere 377 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.599 without my glasses or my contact lenses in because I 378 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:09.720 can't see. So I would think that going past the 379 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:13.119 porch of your home would be a difficult thing if 380 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:16.640 you're somebody who relies on glasses. Whereas my husband is 381 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:20.160 far sighted and so he sometimes forgets his glasses, so 382 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:24.640 I think maybe that detail matters. The second question is 383 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.200 did they check the phone records to see if there 384 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.359 was any incoming calls around the time that Bob may 385 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:32.079 have gone missing. 386 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:37.160 They haven't really revealed that information. And that is also 387 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.039 like a question I've always had, because they talk about 388 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:43.559 how Bob made a last minute decision to call Agnes 389 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:45.839 and ask her to come like a day early rather 390 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:47.880 than her usual cleaning day, and I'd like to think 391 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:51.119 that they verified that phone call. So I do wonder 392 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.359 if this is one of those things where maybe police 393 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.000 do have some information about a phone call or something, 394 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.720 but are just not revealing it publicly. So, according to 395 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.839 the someone initially shared a theory with them that Bob 396 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:06.839 might have disappeared voluntarily because he regretted having gotten remarried, 397 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:10.039 but this idea didn't hold much water, as there would 398 00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:13.200 be no further activity on Bob's bank accounts or credit cards, 399 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:15.839 or any evidence to suggest that he was still alive. 400 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:19.079 Bob's daughters claimed that he had recently been experiencing some 401 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.519