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Speaker 3: Matt, how you live it?

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Speaker 5: Hey man, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 6: I feel like it's been a minute since I've been

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on here, so I'm glad to spend a little bit

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more extra time with you.

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Speaker 4: It's been too long, and I'm on your website right

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now and I'm perusing all the stories that you've broached

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and I'm sitting there, I'm like, wait a second, here, is.

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Speaker 3: That is that the word? I think it is?

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Speaker 4: A ski jump penis cheating scandal.

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Speaker 3: What in the world is going on in the world

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of skiing and Olympic sports? What's going on here?

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Speaker 6: So this is a serious professional story where I try

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to advance what was going on for something that wasn't

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a college sports story but has a college sports connection.

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Speaker 7: So hear me out.

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Speaker 6: It's okay, you guys haven't heard see I haven't heard

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about this. This came out about about a week and.

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Speaker 7: A half ago, as the Winter Olympics are starting.

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Speaker 6: That the IOC and various like skied governance organizations were

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concerned about people potentially cheating and ski and ski jumping

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by injecting a kind of acid into their penises that

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would temporarily enlarge them. And the reason for this, I know,

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I know. The reason for this is it because like

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having a bigger dog makes you better at sports, but

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that it would increase the size of your uniform. So

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when you retreat back to normal size, you have a

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little bit of extra fabric which creates a sale effect.

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I can help you ski jump a little bit further,

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totally against the rules. So I read about this. My

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first reaction was exactly like yours. I laughed, because you

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know that that's funnier than anabogic steroids. But I then

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called up multiple urologists in Chicago when one of them

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wanted to go on the record, but more than one

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talk to me. I talked to a professor of urology

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at the Northwestern's Medical School, you know, a very high

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profile for uh, you know school out here in the Midwest,

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to get an idea of like, all right, is this

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safe and can this can this kind of stunt be

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used for other sports? And what was interesting, uh as

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a couple of these guys told me, like, we don't

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recommend you do this. Do not inject anything into your

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genitalia outside of a the clinic clinical setting.

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Speaker 7: Not a good idea.

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Speaker 6: However, this won't make you better at any other sport, right,

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won't make you run faster or throwball further. But one

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thing that could and actually I think this would matter

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even more where you live than where I live, is

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that via can potential can potentially help because with with

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being good at sports. Because the way that the that

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the urologists laid this out, that is a medication that

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is meant to improve blood flow throughout the body.

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Speaker 7: We could face one obvious exactly.

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Speaker 6: And there's an obvious, you know, common reason why you

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would take viagara to change blood flow, but there is

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actually some pure reviewed research to suggest that it can

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help with other cardiovascular capacity at high elevation or places

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where you wouldn't be able to.

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Speaker 7: Get as much oxygen normally.

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Speaker 6: And uh, it's not currently an NCAA controlled substance. Like you,

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you will not get in trouble if you pop some

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viagara before running across country, race and elevation.

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Speaker 7: Is this a good idea?

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Speaker 6: I'm not here to tell you one way or the

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other I have I don't. I'm not a doctor, I am.

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this is one potential avenue that could be explored before advan.

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Speaker 7: To give you a little bit of an extra extra edge.

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Speaker 6: And that is you know, this is just the kind

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of hard hitting story you can expect an extra points.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, man, I was, like I said,

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Where of advice higheraluronic acid? I read through this article? Yeah,

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day and Jay, I'm an orthopedics and sports medicine. I

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mean you inject hyalouronic acid into your knees all the time,

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like it improves uh uh, you know, buoyancy and decompression

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of the joint, a little bit more viscosity of like

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the fluids and the joint to create less friction between

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your bones, right, like hyloochis is a common thing. I

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had no idea that there were skiers injecting this into

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their male parts.

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Speaker 5: That's crazy, you know I didn't either, and this This

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is one of I think legitimately one of the best

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parts about my job is that I can then call

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Speaker 6: These experts explain this, because when I read high hierlogic acid,

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my first thought is, like, that sounds like something that

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a bond villain would use to distinegra. It's somebody right,

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as like a naturally producing thing in your body.

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Speaker 5: Even though I know that it is.

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Speaker 7: I took seventh grade science too.

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Speaker 6: But then the doctors are like, no, same thing that

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you said, your body produces this naturally use for around

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joint therapy. I also understand it's a common ingredient and

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a lot of skincare to to rehydrate and and to

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and to treat you know, some skin issues.

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Speaker 7: All that's great.

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Speaker 6: UH, do not recommend you put it anywhere else outside

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Speaker 3: Let's pivot, let's talk. Uh.

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Speaker 4: An athletic director is stating, maybe it's time we've heard

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rumors of this, right, We've heard theories on what could

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happen the P four disassociatinghimself from the rest of the

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college athletics world, maybe it's time to split up D

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one athletics. Drawing on his experience as an athletic director

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and two America East schools, Brian Burrio Uh pitches of

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for a very different NC douablea what's cook in here?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So, And it's funny because I've heard very I mean,

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I've known Brian for a while, and I've heard variations

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of this pitch from a lot of other low major leaders.

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Speaker 5: And part of the part of the crux.

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Speaker 6: Of the of the argument here isn't just yeah, what

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what Ohio State and Texas and by U and Utah

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and then anybody else are doing financially is so dramatically

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different from what low majors are doing, And it's it

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seems silly to pretend that that you should all operate

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under the same rules.

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Speaker 8: But something else that Brian mentions, I don't know if

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I agree with it, but I have heard this from

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other low major ads, is that there may be value

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in splitting up Division One for other sport championships besides basketball.

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Speaker 6: In the name of providing a better experience for the athletes,

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for example, where there are lots of mid major programs

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that are really good, right like I know that Weaber.

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Speaker 5: Has been you know, very you.

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Speaker 6: Know, competitive for a while, and then there's there's good

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volleyball in the state of Utah and in Arizona and

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California and lots.

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Speaker 7: Of other places.

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Speaker 6: But generally, if you win a low major league with

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like outside the Big West, and you get into a

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first round matchup as somebody from the SEC, you're gonna get.

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Speaker 7: Stomped in thirty minutes. Those aren't competitive.

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Speaker 6: A lot of the softball early College World Series matchups

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are not competitive. They were twenty years ago, but they're

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not now as more money has flown in. And the

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argument that Brian's advancing here is wouldn't it be better

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if you won the America East and something that wasn't

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men's or women's basketball and then had a chance to

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actually win three or four other postseason games against teams

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that were more like you, rather than your reward being

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to get you know, plastered into the sun by LSU.

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Speaker 7: That's the values question.

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Speaker 6: So I can't necessarily ask, you know, answer that.

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Speaker 7: But he's not the first guy that's I've talked to

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in this business that have said, yes, I agree.

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Speaker 6: If you quote me on it, I'll deny it political suicide,

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but I agree with him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Uh, it's intriguing, there's no doubt, And I

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don't know what the next steps are. And uh, and

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next problem to solve? Is it bifurcating?

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Speaker 3: Is it is it?

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Speaker 4: Is it dissecting you know, the different levels of athletics

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within the colleges within the NC douable A maybe? Is

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it figuring out collective bargain agreement? Like, what's the next step.

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if you're the all uh, if you're the commissioner of

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college athletics and let's say college football, and to pick

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in particular, what's the next problem to solve?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's tough because so you know a lot of

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the things you're you're and we've talked about this on

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the year lots of times about collective bargaining or the transfer.

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Speaker 7: Portal or salary caps right.

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Speaker 6: Even if I was made commissioner with dictatorial powers throughout

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higher education to pitch something which I don't want that power,

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it wouldn't be legal unless you're unless you're making me

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the dictator of like the federal government, which case I

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definitely don't want that. The problem is what can you

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make among the schools that won't get you sued and

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then you lose when you find a friendly local judge

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like we just saw here with Trinidad, although I actually

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him than maybe some other ones. Where you've got the

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Alabama basketball I just I tweeted about this a couple

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of a couple of hours ago. We have a new

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case in baseball with a gentleman playing in nevad Areno

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Speaker 7: Hey, I you know, I played a year in n

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Speaker 6: They're always going to have those things, and I don't

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know if there's a good way or even not a

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good way away at all to enforce any of this

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absence something changing in Congress or something changing with with

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with a you know, the Supreme Court or our federal

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court decision I, and you can't none of those things.

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I think you can really address the stuff about maybe

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if there's if there's meaningful momentum to shift any of

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That's the hard thing about college sports man, right. It's like, well,

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Speaker 7: At the spreadsheets. It's not rocket science.

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Speaker 6: But to make a solution, it's going to require somebody

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I don't know how to make people of people's.

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Speaker 7: Hearts more egalitariat.

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Speaker 6: You know, that's a that's a problem for a priest,

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not album for a reporter.

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Speaker 4: Matt Brown extra points here on your Utah ESPN radio network.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: This, uh, you know, the the the buzz right now

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around you know, Trinidad chamblers, uh finding. Yeah, a judge

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you mentioned it. I can't remember exactly what you said.

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A friendly A friendly judge that may be friendly towards

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Speaker 6: And and there's only what two law schools in.

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Speaker 7: The state of Mississippi.

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Speaker 6: So if you sue somebody and it's and they're there,

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the chances are that the judge you're going to get

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is an all miss guy, and and that that will

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often make it easier to get a little bit of

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home cooking.

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Speaker 7: I get it.

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Speaker 4: So it does seem like if you lawyer up, you're

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probably I mean, there's a good bet that you're gonna

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get uh you know, some sort of uh favorable outcome,

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right Like, it seems like it has the NCAA won

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any of these cases recently where someone's lawyered up for

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additional years of eligibility.

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Speaker 6: Actually, the NCAA has won the majority of them. What

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they'll tell you is like, if you look at all

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the people who have sued to get additional eligibility over

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like the last year, the nc DOUAA has a win rate.

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of the time. The problem, though, is that you kind

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of have to win all of them if the goal

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is to dissuade other people from suing. And sometimes there

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are cases that where there are legitimately extenuating circumstances where

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maybe a waiver should or shouldn't have been applied, and

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that's part of why they're they're begging for for federal aid.

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You can if you lawyer up right now. Obviously it

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depends on where you're located.

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Speaker 7: In the specific facts. But unless you get unless you get.

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Speaker 6: Tom Mars or or you have you have the facts

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on your side, you'll probably lose.

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Speaker 7: But there's a enough.

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Speaker 6: Of a chance for you to win that it's going

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to continue to attract people to continue to file those cases,

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you know, I think. I think it's the same thing

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for a lot of accident law. Right, it doesn't matter

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if you win every time. You just have to win

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enough to where it makes financial sense to keep.

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Speaker 7: Filing the suits. And I don't think that's going away

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anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Indeed, as far as the state of college athletics. So

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you're feeling more optimistic more pessimistic about the state of

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college athletics right now.

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Speaker 6: There's I mean, there's a lot of things I still like,

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right and we can look at this commercially, You and

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I can take a step back and go, Hey, people

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are still going to the games, people are still watching

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the games on TV.

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Speaker 7: The games are still really fun.

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Speaker 6: And in our line of work, we get to know

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some of the coaches and some of the players and

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some of the other stories, and there's lots of exciting,

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optimistic you know, thinks about all this.

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Speaker 7: If I felt really pessimistic, I'd quit and go get

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a real job.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not at that point yet. But I think

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there is something legitimately troubling that so many, you know,

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kind of basic issues in this sport are coming down

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to lawyering up. Whether that's how a long can you

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play college sports, whether that's can you do you have

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to honor a contract between one school or anything else?

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Speaker 7: Or can you lawyer up and get out of that?

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Speaker 6: Do you have to honor an agreement with the particular conference,

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or can a conference arbitrarily keep you out of a

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conference championship game?

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Speaker 7: Like we're seeing locally, well, the solution there is to

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lawyer up.

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Speaker 6: And you know, guys, I write about this for a living,

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and it gets frustrating and.

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Speaker 1: Boring for me.

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Speaker 6: I can't imagine how it must feel for people who

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look at college sports as an excuse to not think

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about lawyers, and long term, I don't think that's healthy.

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I think there are some other, you know, components of

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this industry, maybe independent of just lawsuits, that I really

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Speaker 7: Some concerns about.

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Speaker 6: Like this, math doesn't work and I don't know how long.

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years because math doesn't work anywhere, or maybe it comes

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crumbling sooner than that. But that but you know, in August,

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they're still going to play football games and we're still

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going to watch them, even if a lot of this

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other stuff has some structs all rot to it, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's always intriguing to see what the next

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steps are amongst the power brokers in college athletics. It's, uh,

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it's not a great day to be a cougar, you know,

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in a couple of different ways. But b yu in

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controversy again, Matt, and it's it's not a good place

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to be. Obviously, there's been a number of different honor

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code violations and legal issues as well over the last year,

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year and a half three in particular. So look, BYU

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sets a standard, it's its own standard that it's set.

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an honor code standpoint.

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Speaker 3: Where it gets.

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Speaker 4: Really icky though, it is like when when legal issue

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us are constantly coming up, Well, what do you make

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of this? Give me your perspective on what's happening right now?

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Is this is this a big issue that uh, you know,

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b YU needs to maybe be a little bit more

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maybe aggressive in their education on you know, in operation

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now we've got babysit better.

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Speaker 3: What's going on here?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this this is a tough question, and I think

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I'm in Chicago and that there's a lot of interpersonal

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uh you know, facts to play with that with individuals

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or what people knew and what they didn't know that

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I'm not privy to, and so I don't want to

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make assumptions.

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Speaker 7: I don't I don't want to, I don't want I

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don't want to make sweeping generalizations.

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Speaker 6: The the the thing that we all kind of have

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to make peace with is that if you're gonna have.

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Speaker 7: An athletic department, and you want to have an athletic.

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Speaker 6: Department that competes at the highest level and all the

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rewards that come with that, you have to recognize that

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you're going to be dealing with twenty two year olds,

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twenty one year olds, twenty year olds in the United

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States of America and the year of our lower twenty

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twenty six, and they're going to make nucle head decisions,

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and they're going to make bad decisions, whether they are

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returned missionaries who are married in the temple and know

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and and and you know, watch Johnny Lingo a thousand times,

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or whether there are people that don't know anything about

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the LDS faith or religion at all. Right, Like, I

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don't I don't think. I don't think you're gonna you're

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gonna prevent yourself from having bad headlines.

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Speaker 3: Sure, if you make.

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Speaker 6: An athletic department of just you know, assistant to the president,

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return missionaries kind of guys, you know.

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Speaker 5: Where I think.

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Speaker 6: You have problems beyond the fact, Like, yeah, man, if

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you've got a rapist on your football team. Youve got

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to get that dude off the football team, like or

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if you have somebody that's committed to felony, that guy

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should not be on your campus. I don't think anybody

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in good faith can say you can have a university

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of thirty thousand people and not admit somebody who might

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later make a bad choice. Sure, Like that's that, that's

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part of the gig. The thing that that everyone has

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to figure out is what are we doing to prevent

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it from happening? And uh, what are we doing to

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make sure that we're compliant with laws and our alleged

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higher higher calling, Like I don't mind admitting this, and

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you know, hopefully this doesn't mean I never get a

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credential at DYU again, But like I had, I was.

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Speaker 9: I was in my feelings a little bit yesterday when

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I saw Gilbert get Get called be an apostle, and

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I'm like, man, I I'm struggling with this a little

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bit because I know some things that you've said about

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athletics or that you've done behind the scenes that I

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don't fuel line up necessarily with an apostolic call.

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Speaker 7: If you're gonna, if you're gonna, if you're gonna line

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up to that.

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Speaker 6: Like it's one thing for a twenty year old to

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make a mistake, it's another thing for somebody who should

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definitely know better.

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Speaker 7: And I think a challenge.

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Speaker 6: For everybody, whether you're DYU or Ohio State or a

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secular school or anyone, isn't just our the twenty year

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olds making the right choice, since it is everybody above

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them who should know better making the right choices to

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to you know, get those people out of the paint

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or or to hold people accountable. And that that's a

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tough question, right, and and ultimately that that that's one

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that people in Salt Lake are gonna have to grapple with,

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or are people that are constituents of this institution. I

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don't I don't think that's like department's broken, but like

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it's it's if you're gonna if you're gonna say one thing,

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by God, you you better make sure everybody is meeting

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that standard as best as you can.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'd agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's a fair like b

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a use the it sets the standard, right, sets the

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bar and and and and when you set a bar high, uh,

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those that when you don't. When you don't meet that standard,

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the people that don't really like you setting that standard

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or you know, they're gonna let you know about it,

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and they're gonna hold you accountable to that that standard

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that you set for yourself, especially if you know we

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we put ourselves. You know, I've always discussed I don't

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like Ramiumpton Mormon culture. It's not my favorite portion of

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uh of the faith that I'm a part of by

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any means.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes we can go down that path. So I

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don't I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think any UH organization. I don't think any institution,

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I don't think any religion.

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Speaker 3: I don't think any any.

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Speaker 4: Pastor, preacher, apostle, prophet is infallible, right, and I will

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never ever expect infallibility. There will be follies and uh,

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look if David could fall and murder and all in

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the name of Bathsheba, all of us can fall uh

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in some way, shape or form in life. And so

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uh but you just hope, Hey, you gotta we gotta

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be better man, and uh, there you are.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be.

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Speaker 4: Judged according to uh the bar the standards that you set.

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Speaker 3: And that's just the way that it is.

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Speaker 4: And and so hopefully the way you can, uh, you know,

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do a better job of of Yeah. Look I'm the

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type that and and you know me pretty well. I'm like,

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you know me pretty well.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I call them red group Red group guys, right, there's

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red group people.

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Speaker 3: Red group guys.

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Speaker 4: They need mentors, they just need more babysitters, they just

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do why, they need guardrails, and they need consistency of parameters.

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And you have to be able to recognize those and

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who knows right? You know, sometimes you don't know that

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they're a red group person, that they're gonna make bad decisions,

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Speaker 3: And I understand why you're in your feels.

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Speaker 4: I think there's there's plenty of people that harold the

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calling that has been handed down for Clark Gilbert, and

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there are those that disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know if you're ever gonna get everyone in line

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that's like, we love this person. You're not even the

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Savior himself. Jesus Christ was liked amongst his people.

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Speaker 5: You know, unforestionably.

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Speaker 6: And you know what, if anyone's listening to this, I

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think you would be completely share to think why do

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I care what this guy says. This dude's a fiscampalion.

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He isn't get, he isn't he isn't gonna say. And

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you know what, You're right, my friend, I don't I

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don't get.

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Speaker 7: I don't get to say.

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Speaker 6: I could be totally wrong like this. It's just that

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I know this guy a little bit differently than I

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know some random.

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Speaker 7: Bishop in France, right.

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Speaker 6: Sure, And I think I think I would.

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Speaker 7: I would kind of bring.

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Speaker 6: This all together because I've been thinking about what you're

487
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this dynamic a lot over.

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Speaker 7: The past couple of days.

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Speaker 6: Because it's not not a secret people listening to me.

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Speaker 7: I've been on the show a lot. I'm from Columbus

491
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and I went.

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Speaker 6: To Ohio State, and I still like Ohio State. And

493
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Ohio State is obviously a secular institution, but it is

494
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supposed to stand for some level of public righteousness. It

495
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is a moral land grant university meant to educate the

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sons and daughters of toil, and it is supposed to

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be for ethical.

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Speaker 7: Good government everything.

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Speaker 6: And guys, if you go to that campus right now,

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we're all talking about this at the moment. There's like

501
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six buildings named after Jeffrey Epstein's best friend, including like this,

502
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this isn't a joke, right, like there's there's all. This

503
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is a place that's done a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of terrible things.

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Speaker 5: And I point this out.

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Speaker 6: Because I don't want people to think, like, ah, you know,

507
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here's you know, mascot an act to grind against against you.

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Speaker 1: Why, like I it's.

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Speaker 6: This is this is a challenge among American institutions at

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every level and especially in higher ed And I don't

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know if look man if if if there's a university

512
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in an athletic department ready to be translated right now,

513
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it's news to me, email me that school so I

514
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can stand at their feet, uh and learn from them.

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All guys killdren got problems right now. The issue is

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what are you going to do to try and six the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's much good and I see a lot of

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good in what you do, Matt, And love and appreciate you,

520
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Love having you on the show. Love good you know,

521
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conversing about all of these topics, from the most mundane

522
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to some that are moral and ethical and spiritual. Always

523
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appreciate our time together.

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Speaker 3: I'm fine.

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They're always something to be enriched by. And I love

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our ideation sessions, Matt. I love when we talk about

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all these things. I always feel like I learned something

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from your brother.

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Speaker 5: I do too, Bet. I don't tell you this enough.

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Speaker 1: Love.

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Speaker 6: I love you, man, You're you, you have a you

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have a you have a great heart. I always come

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away from the stuff feeling killing better here too, and

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for everyone else, you know, this is the U.

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Speaker 7: There aren't a whole lot of outlets out there that will.

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Speaker 6: Promise to give you legitimate legal analysis, try to break

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realignment news yep, and also talk to a professor of

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dongs about about penile injections and viagra and sports. But,

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my friends, that is the promise I'll make to you.

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Speaker 7: I will do all of those things in the name

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of serious professional journalism.

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Speaker 3: Love it, Appreciate you, Matt. Nobody does it better. Always

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a pleasure, my brother.

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have a good weekend.

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favorite guests gonna be joining us here momentarily. It's gonna

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be brought to you by Post Malone and Jelly Roll.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: They have a a stadium tour that they're ending at

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reight Cycle Stadium July twenty eighth.

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Speaker 3: At July twenty eighth this year.

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Speaker 4: All you to do in order to get a few

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tickets to this awesome concert. Visit us on Instagram for

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a chance to win at ESPN the Fan that's at

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entered to win. Reshare on your story for an extra entry.

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I've already done this and I tagged Brandon C. Gurney

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to be my friend and uh my concert buddy at

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the Post Malone and Jelro. He's on the show right now.

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G Man, how the heck are you ready to go

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to Post Malone and jelly Roll with me?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Just give me that chance. Wow, let's go.

585
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you big fan of Post Malone, you've a big

586
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fan of Jelly Roll.

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Speaker 1: They both have a lot of tattoos on their faces.

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That's all I know about.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Huh, That's really all I know.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I mean, I guess that's the start. She's probably

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listening to some of their their their music. They got

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some good songs.

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Speaker 4: Man, you may you gotta get out of the eighties.

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D man, We're in twenty twenty six. You gotta you

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gotta listen to a few new songs.

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Speaker 1: Do the Post Malone live here in Utah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, Yeah, man.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, all I know is that's gonna be the

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night of our lives. I'm really excited for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, let's go. I'm excited too.

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Speaker 4: It'll be a boys' night out and I can't wait

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for a g Man July twenty eight. Now, g Man,

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what's been keeping you busy with some of the content

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you've been putting out there at the Daily Herald.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the off season and and it's all high

607
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school right now, but obviously you want to monitor the

608
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off season. What's going on. Some very unfortunate things happen

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just recently, which my goodness, I came home and your

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tweet was the first one I read, and there's some

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news that you just you read it. It's like, am

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I really reading this? This is really what's going on?

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Just a complete shock for those that know of Parker Kingston.

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And it's just it doesn't it seems very reality character,

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much like the Jake Reetzlow thing did. But obviously this

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is criminal, not civil. It was kind of easy to

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put to vocals in that fact alone, but the fact

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that this is criminal makes it far more serious. And wow,

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it's it's really hard to understand how this is gonna unfold.

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But I think what we can all rest assured is

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I don't think there's any chance we'll ever see Parker

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or Kingston play for BAU again.

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Speaker 7: True.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, true, I think that that's accurate.

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Speaker 4: Now, ge man, though, let's let's take some I don't

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know if it's solace, but get some perspective. This is

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not the first time that this stuff has happened in

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BAU athletics history. There's plenty of controversies over the years,

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and there's many of controversies amongst other athletic departments, and

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and and you know, Matt brown Rade a really good

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point is like, if you want to operate an athletic

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department and your your key ambassadors, your talent pool is

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eighteen to twenty two twenty three year old young men

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and young women, You're gonna have some controversy along the way.

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That's just the nature of the beast, because they tend

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to make bad decisions, at least a few of them

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along the way. So, but you give us some perspective here.

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There's been major controversies. Before I arrived at BYU, there

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was a huge rate scandal in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And what you can't have is for these

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instances to stack. That's the bad thing. That's kind of

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what I expressed on Twitter is although I think that

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it was very, very dubious, the whole Jake Kreslaw thing

644
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perception is a big thing for BYU. And if you

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break it down, the reason B way you has athletic

646
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programs is to spread the message, spread the gospel. Right,

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So when you have two stories in less than a

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year's splash on the front page of national news about

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sexual assault allegations, it's not what you want. I mean

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to put him mildly, and I understand, and I've had

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many fans come at me saying this doesn't reflect the institution.

652
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This reflects Parker Kingston the bad decisions he made. Okay, yeah,

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I agree with that that is true. But Parker Kingston's

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a represented the football program. That's what he is, right,

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and what is bway you football? It's a conglomeration of coaches, players,

656
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what have you, And that's your representative and he's not

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representing very well. So of course that's going to cast

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some bad light on the program. It's just the way

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it is. I don't understand how that's arguable, but it's

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just a very unfortunate thing. And it's shocking because Parker

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was a kid. He really made an effort to put

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himself out there. Last year. He was the one wanting

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to do interviews, showing up, wanting to tell his story,

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and it looked like he wanted to be that ambassador role.

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He was embracing it. He was on a lot of podcasts,

666
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gave tons of interviews, and and in light of what

667
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just happened and what he's accused of, it just seems

668
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very very bizarre in that light, is what I'm saying,

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because because he wasn't putting forth the usually when you're

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doing stuff, you don't want to put yourself out there,

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right anyway, that's neither here or there. I'm just kind

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of saying.

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Speaker 4: That it's an anecdote, it's an active because you've interviewed

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a number of I mean, you've interviewed student as it

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for a long time. You can't always tell every time,

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but you can kind of tell, Okay, these this young

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man may not be a body by the honor code

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or is that you know what I mean? Like, there's

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there's a little bit of nuance.

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Speaker 1: There, I tell you a story. So we founded Total

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Blue Sports in two thousand and four. That was the

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first year we well, well, two thousand and three, but

683
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two thousand and four is when we were gained access.

684
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And that's when Gary Carleton brought in all the guys, right,

685
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all the guys that were part of the big scandal.

686
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And I remember there's this kid named b J Mathis.

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He was part of it, and I did an interview

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with him and I talked to him for ten minutes

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and he was so sincere and resolute and just wanted

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to tell the story about just how he loves bway

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you and all that. And literally two days later the

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news broke of the scandal. So what I'm saying is

693
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maybe I'm not the best judge at care. I don't

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know right, and every kid's different, they tell you different things.

695
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I can remember, I'm forgetting the kid's name. But there

696
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was one guy that ended up transferring that I did

697
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an interview with and he just regaled me with tales

698
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of how he loves it and now he's sticking around

699
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it despite all the rumors I was hearing. And then

700
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two days later retransfers so I don't know if I

701
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want to take my hat on me being able to

702
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discern anything through interviews is what I guess I'm saying.

703
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But it's a tough thing because Parker not only was

704
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he the most dynamic skill position player on the team returning,

705
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at least on the outside. I mean, LG. Martin's obviously

706
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your guy, Parker Kingston as far as just just that person,

707
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I think he was poised for really big things this year,

708
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really big things. I gave the comparison of Dax Milne.

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I think it's accurate, and the fact that he might

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not be able to play football ever again is an

711
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:53,440
absolute tragedy. It makes me so sad, really really sad

712
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,360
when I think about it. But you make decisions, things

713
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,960
have to play out, and you have to be held accountable.

714
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,320
So I mean, I don't know if he's guilty, I

715
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,559
don't know what's going to turn out and all that,

716
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,840
but it's pretty apparent he did violate the honor code

717
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,199
and and and b way he's not going to be

718
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:14,000
able to accept him back, and it's just it makes

719
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:19,360
me really sad. That's the overwhelming uh uh thing I

720
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,000
have right now. And I know I'm a reporter. I'm

721
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,440
not supposed to get involved and emotional and all that.

722
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:28,000
But man, you interview these kids and you like them,

723
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,000
you like their stories, you like what they're about, and

724
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:35,480
you become attached to him and and and he's a

725
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,000
heck of a player. I mean, his skill sets not

726
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,000
something b what you typically has, where he's able to

727
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,440
be that gadget type of then develop into a really

728
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,840
good receiver, a team leader, a guy that puts himself

729
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,639
out there, get gets engaged. And this all comes down.

730
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,199
I mean, what a tragedy. It just it just makes

731
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,760
me really, really really sad about the entire situation.

732
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:02,079
Speaker 4: So how do you We were discussing that earlier in

733
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,960
the show. G Man, Uh, you know you're looking at

734
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,800
you know what it reminded me of it. I was

735
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,800
like trying to look for replacements. I was looking at

736
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,119
the roster, looking what's been acquired, and you're a guy

737
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:13,960
that I can lean on here and we can debate this.

738
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,119
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of.

739
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: The the twenty thirteen twenty fourteen Wide Receiver Room. Remember

740
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:22,400
Robert and I when he came in in the Go Fast,

741
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,719
Go Hard, like he wasn't going after guys that were

742
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,679
like ten five ten six, one hundred meter guys. He

743
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,719
was getting big strong, like just big bodied wide receivers

744
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,039
that could win in jump balls and win in tight spaces.

745
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,239
And I see, like you said, like Cody Hoffman ross

746
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,159
Oppo six three six four, Mitch Matthews six six, Tarren

747
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:47,559
Howk six' five, right like big body guys all over

748
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,960
two hundred. Pounds right now you Have Kyler kasper six

749
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:54,760
six two. Twelve you Have reggie frishkinet uh six four

750
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,639
two ten two o. Five you Have Jojo phillips six

751
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,079
five two. Ten LIKE i look at these guys And i'm,

752
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:05,159
like oh my, gosh it kind of reminds me of

753
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,960
What robert. Did and there's a lot of intermediate passing.

754
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,159
Game bear bochmeer to, me he is like very much

755
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:17,239
an elite intermediate. Passer and if you if you don't

756
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,000
have elite arm, strength then you got to win in

757
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
the intermediate short passing game and your run game with

758
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:26,119
play action off of. That And i'm, like, HUH i

759
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:28,639
wonder if A rod's dialing up something here and he

760
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,360
had something cooking with this this new wide receiving. Corps

761
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:35,199
because you lose a great deep threat In. Parker you

762
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,239
lose a great slot, receiver a guy that has. TALLIED i,

763
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,639
MEAN i looked at this his, career ninety eight, receptions

764
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,679
twenty seven receiving, yards thirty nine, carries one hundred and

765
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:48,000
seventy two rushing. Yards he's got seven total touchdowns as

766
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:51,559
a receiver and a, rusher and then three additional returning.

767
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,280
Touchdowns he's also been four of eleven in passing and

768
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,800
three passing. Touchdowns that is a lot of production right.

769
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: There, yeah it's a lot of. Production and that's not

770
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,760
even to mention this special teams aspect of what it contributes.

771
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,760
There i'm thinking of the three guys that could maybe replace.

772
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:16,519
Him first would Be Cody, hagen a guy that could play.

773
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:21,599
Slot is, shifty a guy that we thought it would

774
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:24,920
really enter his own last year and then for whatever

775
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,400
reason it didn't. HAPPEN i don't. KNOW i still believe

776
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,280
in his skill. LEVEL i believe in his. Talent he

777
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,039
is a four star. Prospect that would be the first.

778
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,960
Guy the second guy would Be terrence Sorry on from

779
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,360
the transfer From. Washington shifty. Guys he's five, ten one

780
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,440
hundred and sixty. Pounds that sounds Like Parker. Kingston, right

781
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,599
we'll see what this kid has comes spring practice. Sessions

782
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:50,000
but the fact that A rod made it a point

783
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,760
to bring in a guy that's not really matching up

784
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,679
with the type of receiver that you just mentioned leads

785
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,320
me to believe that this kid has some. Stuff, OBVIOUSLY

786
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:07,320
festi was, instrumental and A rod takes what, YEAH i, Mean,

787
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,880
fest he's the guy identifying these, guys and then A

788
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,719
rod's approving is pretty much how it. Goes but he's

789
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,760
intriguing to. ME i think a lot of people have

790
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,599
forgotten About sorry, ON i Hope i'm saying that, Right

791
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,639
but we'll see him come spring. PRACTICE i think it

792
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,599
could be. Intriguing and then the other. GUY i still

793
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:30,400
Think Tiger bockmeyer could be an impact. PLAYER i was

794
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,800
expecting him to have a bigger impact last year as.

795
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,920
Well and what was kind of weird was He's bear's, brother,

796
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,880
RIGHT i, mean they've got the connection build, in but

797
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:40,679
you know as well AS i, do it takes time

798
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,480
to learn the offense And tiger didn't have the benefit

799
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:46,800
of a spring practice. Session but he's a highly intelligent.

800
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,159
GUY i think he has a really good skill. Set

801
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,880
so those three GUYS i think could be capable of

802
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,679
providing some of What Parker kingston, did but all of

803
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,599
what he. DID i don't think that's reasonable to ask from,

804
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:03,360
anyone just because of how impactful and now dynamic he

805
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,039
was as a. Player but But i'm intrigued by all

806
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:09,480
three of those those. INDIVIDUALS i think they could do

807
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:10,880
some really good things that's coming.

808
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,519
Speaker 3: HERE i agree with all.

809
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,119
Speaker 4: Those in, fact those are the guys THAT i mentioned

810
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:19,000
in the AND i was looking at the uh the

811
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,199
the possible REPLACEMENTS i mentioned all those.

812
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 3: Guys we are we are.

813
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,039
Speaker 1: KIDS i SWEAR i wasn't listing that.

814
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:27,039
Speaker 3: Way we are we are.

815
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: KIDDRED i was even going, there we are kindred, spirits no,

816
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,679
Wonder we're going to The Post Malone Jelly roll concert together.

817
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: On you like, right let's?

818
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 4: Go yeahs, yes, yes indeed, sure uh g, man let's

819
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,559
talk SOME byu?

820
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:42,119
Speaker 3: Hoop shall WE? Byu?

821
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 4: Basketball, actually one last thing before we go to? BASKETBALL rb,

822
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,199
two who's your most? Likely who's your favorite to? BECOME rb?

823
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: Two is? It uh you?

824
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: Know is It Logan Pain he's at, Pressing Rex's Devon

825
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,039
ECHA's AT sioni, moa who do you gott and.

826
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: WHY I i Got Joe vessa De. MOONEY i really

827
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,440
liked HOW i really liked how he looked in the

828
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,599
pop tarts BOOL I i don't think that was a.

829
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:08,519
Flash he's a guy that got his, opportunity then he.

830
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,519
Fumbled you never saw him, again but when you did see,

831
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,559
him he looked. Capable and WHAT i like is he's

832
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,400
a change FROM. Lg. Martin he's not AN. Lg martin.

833
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,280
Type he's he's. Scatty he's kind of around the edges type.

834
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,239
GUY i think that would be a really good change of.

835
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,480
Pay SO i think he's the leader in the. Clothhouse

836
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,599
Logan Logan pain is SOMEONE i like a. Lot he

837
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,800
ran for a lot of. Yards and so is he

838
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,840
officially switched from? LINEBACKER i mean is that? Official OR.

839
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,199
Speaker 3: I don't? Wait so who officially moved to the? Linebacker?

840
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 4: Well they signed him a No Logan Pain Logan, Pain, No,

841
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,000
no he's a Running, yeah, okay he has.

842
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,519
Speaker 1: Switched he is a running. Back, OKAY i don't.

843
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: It's been a running.

844
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 4: Back you're talking about his brother that was signed the Other.

845
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,079
Speaker 1: Pain oh, yeah, yeah all, Right i'm confusing.

846
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: Them, okay, Yeah, tyler never, Mind Tyler Paint logan a running. Back,

847
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,719
Okay logan was An all state running.

848
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,559
Speaker 4: Back he had almost fourteen hundred yards rushing in twenty

849
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:12,840
twenty one out Of weber we were high.

850
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: School, yes yes he, Did yes he. Did but for,

851
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,760
ME i Like Joe vessel De. MOONEY i think he's

852
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:18,280
going to be the.

853
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: GUY i like. It SO i like. Basketball, okay, yeah

854
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:22,760
let's go.

855
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,519
Speaker 1: Basketball no no, no let me say.

856
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: No no. No you were going to say, SOMETHING G,

857
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:29,360
MAN i cut you. Off, WELL i.

858
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: Still think there's a possibility Because Parker kinston is going

859
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,920
to open up a scholarship and probably quite a bit

860
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,400
of ni own. Money let's be. HONEST i, mean it's

861
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,119
kind of brutal to. Say you don't want to say, that,

862
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,599
man go get a top flight running. Back but MAYBE

863
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,599
lg doesn't want.

864
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: THAT i don't.

865
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,119
Speaker 1: Know it seems to me it's going to free up

866
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:52,559
some options and the.

867
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,519
Speaker 4: Transferport do you go get another wide receiver or do

868
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:56,480
you go get a running?

869
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 3: Back do you think.

870
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: Either one of? Those they're one of. Those they'll probably go.

871
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:05,320
Receiver but but my first thought before that came into

872
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,000
my stream of consciousness is IS i think they really

873
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,679
liked your best of the, MANY i think They're, YEAH

874
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,960
i think we got. This maybe we can roll with these.

875
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,280
GUYS i still think they need a transfer portal running,

876
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,760
back AND i think almost every fan agrees with me

877
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,559
in that. Regard so, yeah go a little, strike use

878
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:31,119
that scholarship in the NI o money and get someone. Big, so, anyway.

879
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,679
Speaker 3: Have you looked at the transferport? All, like what's what's

880
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,039
available in the portal right? NOW i don't.

881
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: KNOW i need to look at. THAT i need to

882
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,800
do my due. DILIGENCE i throw something out and THEN

883
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,800
i don't have a name For.

884
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 4: Yeah like BECAUSE i we're getting late in the game, here,

885
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,000
MAN i, Like i'm trying to think of what's out

886
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:50,480
there right?

887
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:54,039
Speaker 1: Now, yeah that's there's no.

888
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:55,519
Speaker 3: Question so who's out?

889
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: There you?

890
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 3: Know is there a junior college?

891
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 4: Guy like you may be better off going out and

892
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,000
trying to find a junior college guy right now than

893
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:02,880
a transfer portal.

894
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,119
Speaker 1: Player yeah about how about we do this on the

895
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:10,920
way to The Jelly roll Of Post malone. Concert we'll

896
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,519
break it, down we'll talk about.

897
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: It that's not Until july twenty. Eighth we got to

898
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:15,440
do it.

899
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: Sooner it's Not oh There, oh that's, right of, COURSE

900
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,239
i know that's the DATE i haven't circle on my. Calendar,

901
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,639
anyway let's go.

902
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,599
Speaker 4: Basketball who's the most, likely, uh role player that's going

903
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:32,039
to step up to make b what you, basketball a

904
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:33,159
better all around?

905
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,159
Speaker 3: Team?

906
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,199
Speaker 1: Oh my, gosh what a. Question my. Goodness i'm still

907
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,440
going With. MOVE i still believe WHAT i liked About

908
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,840
move this last game Against baylor is he found a

909
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,519
way to contribute where he hadn't been able to contribute him.

910
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,840
BEFORE i mean before it was just kind of on the,

911
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,480
perimeter all my shots going oh, FINE i can do

912
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:57,280
a little. Bit oh it's not, going, OKAY i got.

913
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,760
Nothing we saw him, rebounding we saw cutting to the.

914
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,280
WHO i think he expanded on his role and found

915
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,079
some ways AND i think he's figuring some things out and,

916
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:13,119
yes late in the, process but basketball is. DIFFERENT i

917
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:15,239
mean you can figure it out really really late in

918
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,320
the process and still have it. Suffice SO i really

919
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,280
like WHAT i saw from him as far in that,

920
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,440
aspect and it seems like he's been more intentional on.

921
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:30,360
Defense it seems like he's making an impact there as.

922
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,280
Well So i'm still Writing Canar. DAVIS i think he's my.

923
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,440
Guy the guy that is the most frustrating player on

924
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:39,079
the entire team to me right now Is. KEPKAIDA i

925
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:42,760
do not understand what's going on there, well where he's

926
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,440
just getting pushed around inside a quick. HOOK i do

927
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:51,679
not understand are their injury. Issues everyone mentions the concussion

928
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,599
and he's still kind of. LOSING i don't, know but

929
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,800
they really really need to figure that out because it's

930
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,480
been a big. Day they're gonna need that inside. PRESENCE i,

931
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:07,199
MEAN a boop was outstanding Against, baylor, right But baylor's

932
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,159
kind of, small, right you get those big post. GUYS

933
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,800
i don't think he's gonna be able to have that

934
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,760
impact like he. Did but but, YEAH i Like Cannard.

935
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,639
DAVIS i think my boop's the easy. Answer But i'm gonna.

936
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:22,559
MOVE i liked the expansion of WHAT i saw in

937
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:24,400
his game and his contribution Against.

938
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: BAYLOR i like a g man G.

939
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 4: Manu any final thoughts before we let you, go anything

940
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,039
you're gonna be working, on anything you want to chime in,

941
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:34,320
on anything that's been keeping.

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Speaker 3: You up at.

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Speaker 1: Night, No i'm just ready for spring. Practices it's it's

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gonna be. Interesting there's some storylines that there's some good.

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THINGS i kind of mentioned haphazard on the on the

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show last time you guys got after me that it's

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gonna be boring because of every, positions so many people are.

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Returning but you, know it's one of those. Things the

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more you think. About, yeah there's some intriguing, storylines and

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one of them is very. Unfortunate is how you replace Park.

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Kingston i'm very very. Unfortunate so we'll see between those three.

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GUYS i think the way he's gonna be able to

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figure something. Out BUT i just cannot believe that any

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of those guys are going to be as good as

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What Parker kingston would have been his this coming. Year

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and that's, again it's an absolute. Tragedy it makes me really.

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Speaker 4: Sad big excuse To, phil no doubt about. It G,

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MAN i always appreciate our. Time we invite everyone to

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Speaker 3: Herald thanks so, much.

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Speaker 1: Buddy all, right we'll see you right there you.

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Speaker 3: Go that's the G, Man ladies and.

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Speaker 4: Gentlemen great, segment AND i always appreciate the G man

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