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Speaker 3: Matt, how you live it?
Speaker 5: Hey man, I'm doing great.
Speaker 6: I feel like it's been a minute since I've been
on here, so I'm glad to spend a little bit
more extra time with you.
Speaker 4: It's been too long, and I'm on your website right
now and I'm perusing all the stories that you've broached
and I'm sitting there, I'm like, wait a second, here, is.
Speaker 3: That is that the word? I think it is?
Speaker 4: A ski jump penis cheating scandal.
Speaker 3: What in the world is going on in the world
of skiing and Olympic sports? What's going on here?
Speaker 6: So this is a serious professional story where I try
to advance what was going on for something that wasn't
a college sports story but has a college sports connection.
Speaker 7: So hear me out.
Speaker 6: It's okay, you guys haven't heard see I haven't heard
about this. This came out about about a week and.
Speaker 7: A half ago, as the Winter Olympics are starting.
Speaker 6: That the IOC and various like skied governance organizations were
concerned about people potentially cheating and ski and ski jumping
by injecting a kind of acid into their penises that
would temporarily enlarge them. And the reason for this, I know,
I know. The reason for this is it because like
having a bigger dog makes you better at sports, but
that it would increase the size of your uniform. So
when you retreat back to normal size, you have a
little bit of extra fabric which creates a sale effect.
I can help you ski jump a little bit further,
totally against the rules. So I read about this. My
first reaction was exactly like yours. I laughed, because you
know that that's funnier than anabogic steroids. But I then
called up multiple urologists in Chicago when one of them
wanted to go on the record, but more than one
talk to me. I talked to a professor of urology
at the Northwestern's Medical School, you know, a very high
profile for uh, you know school out here in the Midwest,
to get an idea of like, all right, is this
safe and can this can this kind of stunt be
used for other sports? And what was interesting, uh as
a couple of these guys told me, like, we don't
recommend you do this. Do not inject anything into your
genitalia outside of a the clinic clinical setting.
Speaker 7: Not a good idea.
Speaker 6: However, this won't make you better at any other sport, right,
won't make you run faster or throwball further. But one
thing that could and actually I think this would matter
even more where you live than where I live, is
that via can potential can potentially help because with with
being good at sports. Because the way that the that
the urologists laid this out, that is a medication that
is meant to improve blood flow throughout the body.
Speaker 7: We could face one obvious exactly.
Speaker 6: And there's an obvious, you know, common reason why you
would take viagara to change blood flow, but there is
actually some pure reviewed research to suggest that it can
help with other cardiovascular capacity at high elevation or places
where you wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 7: Get as much oxygen normally.
Speaker 6: And uh, it's not currently an NCAA controlled substance. Like you,
you will not get in trouble if you pop some
viagara before running across country, race and elevation.
Speaker 7: Is this a good idea?
Speaker 6: I'm not here to tell you one way or the
other I have I don't. I'm not a doctor, I am.
I am here simply to talk to doctors and say
this is one potential avenue that could be explored before advan.
Speaker 7: To give you a little bit of an extra extra edge.
Speaker 6: And that is you know, this is just the kind
of hard hitting story you can expect an extra points.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, man, I was, like I said,
I was perusing that one obviously jumped out to me.
Where of advice higheraluronic acid? I read through this article? Yeah,
day and Jay, I'm an orthopedics and sports medicine. I
mean you inject hyalouronic acid into your knees all the time,
like it improves uh uh, you know, buoyancy and decompression
of the joint, a little bit more viscosity of like
the fluids and the joint to create less friction between
your bones, right, like hyloochis is a common thing. I
had no idea that there were skiers injecting this into
their male parts.
Speaker 5: That's crazy, you know I didn't either, and this This
is one of I think legitimately one of the best
parts about my job is that I can then call
some of.
Speaker 6: These experts explain this, because when I read high hierlogic acid,
my first thought is, like, that sounds like something that
a bond villain would use to distinegra. It's somebody right,
as like a naturally producing thing in your body.
Speaker 5: Even though I know that it is.
Speaker 7: I took seventh grade science too.
Speaker 6: But then the doctors are like, no, same thing that
you said, your body produces this naturally use for around
joint therapy. I also understand it's a common ingredient and
a lot of skincare to to rehydrate and and to
and to treat you know, some skin issues.
Speaker 7: All that's great.
Speaker 6: UH, do not recommend you put it anywhere else outside
of a laboratory setting from trained medical professionals.
Speaker 3: Let's pivot, let's talk. Uh.
Speaker 4: An athletic director is stating, maybe it's time we've heard
rumors of this, right, We've heard theories on what could
happen the P four disassociatinghimself from the rest of the
college athletics world, maybe it's time to split up D
one athletics. Drawing on his experience as an athletic director
and two America East schools, Brian Burrio Uh pitches of
for a very different NC douablea what's cook in here?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So, And it's funny because I've heard very I mean,
I've known Brian for a while, and I've heard variations
of this pitch from a lot of other low major leaders.
Speaker 5: And part of the part of the crux.
Speaker 6: Of the of the argument here isn't just yeah, what
what Ohio State and Texas and by U and Utah
and then anybody else are doing financially is so dramatically
different from what low majors are doing, And it's it
seems silly to pretend that that you should all operate
under the same rules.
Speaker 8: But something else that Brian mentions, I don't know if
I agree with it, but I have heard this from
other low major ads, is that there may be value
in splitting up Division One for other sport championships besides basketball.
Speaker 6: In the name of providing a better experience for the athletes,
And the thought goes like in a sport like women's volleyball,
for example, where there are lots of mid major programs
that are really good, right like I know that Weaber.
Speaker 5: Has been you know, very you.
Speaker 6: Know, competitive for a while, and then there's there's good
volleyball in the state of Utah and in Arizona and
California and lots.
Speaker 7: Of other places.
Speaker 6: But generally, if you win a low major league with
like outside the Big West, and you get into a
first round matchup as somebody from the SEC, you're gonna get.
Speaker 7: Stomped in thirty minutes. Those aren't competitive.
Speaker 6: A lot of the softball early College World Series matchups
are not competitive. They were twenty years ago, but they're
not now as more money has flown in. And the
argument that Brian's advancing here is wouldn't it be better
if you won the America East and something that wasn't
men's or women's basketball and then had a chance to
actually win three or four other postseason games against teams
that were more like you, rather than your reward being
to get you know, plastered into the sun by LSU.
Speaker 7: That's the values question.
Speaker 6: So I can't necessarily ask, you know, answer that.
Speaker 7: But he's not the first guy that's I've talked to
in this business that have said, yes, I agree.
Speaker 6: If you quote me on it, I'll deny it political suicide,
but I agree with him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Uh, it's intriguing, there's no doubt, And I
don't know what the next steps are. And uh, and
you know these eligibility cases. Uh, you know, what's the
next problem to solve? Is it bifurcating?
Speaker 3: Is it is it?
Speaker 4: Is it dissecting you know, the different levels of athletics
within the colleges within the NC douable A maybe? Is
it figuring out collective bargain agreement? Like, what's the next step.
What's the next problem if you were to prioritize, right,
if you're the all uh, if you're the commissioner of
college athletics and let's say college football, and to pick
in particular, what's the next problem to solve?
Speaker 6: Well, it's tough because so you know a lot of
the things you're you're and we've talked about this on
the year lots of times about collective bargaining or the transfer.
Speaker 7: Portal or salary caps right.
Speaker 6: Even if I was made commissioner with dictatorial powers throughout
higher education to pitch something which I don't want that power,
it wouldn't be legal unless you're unless you're making me
the dictator of like the federal government, which case I
definitely don't want that. The problem is what can you
make among the schools that won't get you sued and
then you lose when you find a friendly local judge
like we just saw here with Trinidad, although I actually
think the facts of the case were more friendly to
him than maybe some other ones. Where you've got the
Alabama basketball I just I tweeted about this a couple
of a couple of hours ago. We have a new
case in baseball with a gentleman playing in nevad Areno
who's like.
Speaker 7: Hey, I you know, I played a year in n
ai A. I shouldn't count. I should I should get
one more year.
Speaker 6: They're always going to have those things, and I don't
know if there's a good way or even not a
good way away at all to enforce any of this
absence something changing in Congress or something changing with with
with a you know, the Supreme Court or our federal
court decision I, and you can't none of those things.
I think you can really address the stuff about maybe
splitting up to Vision one, changing how you handle championship access,
changing how you how you structure the calendar, and some
of these things schools can do that. I don't know
if there's if there's meaningful momentum to shift any of
that right now. And it's hard for me to imagine
that happening without an outside force kind of making it happen.
That's the hard thing about college sports man, right. It's like, well,
you and I and Brian Santiago and Mark Harland and
almost everybody, we all know what the problems are, right,
A relatively educated person can look.
Speaker 7: At the spreadsheets. It's not rocket science.
Speaker 6: But to make a solution, it's going to require somebody
to go against their own institutional interests. And that's just
a difficult thing to push anybody to do unless you
get somebody, you know, above them to kind of impose
it on them. And we're just not at that level.
I don't know how to make people of people's.
Speaker 7: Hearts more egalitariat.
Speaker 6: You know, that's a that's a problem for a priest,
not album for a reporter.
Speaker 4: Matt Brown extra points here on your Utah ESPN radio network.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: This, uh, you know, the the the buzz right now
around you know, Trinidad chamblers, uh finding. Yeah, a judge
you mentioned it. I can't remember exactly what you said.
A friendly A friendly judge that may be friendly towards
oh miss right.
Speaker 6: And and there's only what two law schools in.
Speaker 7: The state of Mississippi.
Speaker 6: So if you sue somebody and it's and they're there,
the chances are that the judge you're going to get
is an all miss guy, and and that that will
often make it easier to get a little bit of
home cooking.
Speaker 7: I get it.
Speaker 4: So it does seem like if you lawyer up, you're
probably I mean, there's a good bet that you're gonna
get uh you know, some sort of uh favorable outcome,
right Like, it seems like it has the NCAA won
any of these cases recently where someone's lawyered up for
additional years of eligibility.
Speaker 6: Actually, the NCAA has won the majority of them. What
they'll tell you is like, if you look at all
the people who have sued to get additional eligibility over
like the last year, the nc DOUAA has a win rate.
I think, depending on how you want to call it,
you count the case between two thirds or three quarters
of the time. The problem, though, is that you kind
of have to win all of them if the goal
is to dissuade other people from suing. And sometimes there
are cases that where there are legitimately extenuating circumstances where
maybe a waiver should or shouldn't have been applied, and
that's part of why they're they're begging for for federal aid.
You can if you lawyer up right now. Obviously it
depends on where you're located.
Speaker 7: In the specific facts. But unless you get unless you get.
Speaker 6: Tom Mars or or you have you have the facts
on your side, you'll probably lose.
Speaker 7: But there's a enough.
Speaker 6: Of a chance for you to win that it's going
to continue to attract people to continue to file those cases,
you know, I think. I think it's the same thing
for a lot of accident law. Right, it doesn't matter
if you win every time. You just have to win
enough to where it makes financial sense to keep.
Speaker 7: Filing the suits. And I don't think that's going away
anytime soon.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: Indeed, as far as the state of college athletics. So
you're feeling more optimistic more pessimistic about the state of
college athletics right now.
Speaker 6: There's I mean, there's a lot of things I still like,
right and we can look at this commercially, You and
I can take a step back and go, Hey, people
are still going to the games, people are still watching
the games on TV.
Speaker 7: The games are still really fun.
Speaker 6: And in our line of work, we get to know
some of the coaches and some of the players and
some of the other stories, and there's lots of exciting,
optimistic you know, thinks about all this.
Speaker 7: If I felt really pessimistic, I'd quit and go get
a real job.
Speaker 6: And I'm not at that point yet. But I think
there is something legitimately troubling that so many, you know,
kind of basic issues in this sport are coming down
to lawyering up. Whether that's how a long can you
play college sports, whether that's can you do you have
to honor a contract between one school or anything else?
Speaker 7: Or can you lawyer up and get out of that?
Speaker 6: Do you have to honor an agreement with the particular conference,
or can a conference arbitrarily keep you out of a
conference championship game?
Speaker 7: Like we're seeing locally, well, the solution there is to
lawyer up.
Speaker 6: And you know, guys, I write about this for a living,
and it gets frustrating and.
Speaker 1: Boring for me.
Speaker 6: I can't imagine how it must feel for people who
look at college sports as an excuse to not think
about lawyers, and long term, I don't think that's healthy.
I think there are some other, you know, components of
this industry, maybe independent of just lawsuits, that I really
do have.
Speaker 7: Some concerns about.
Speaker 6: Like this, math doesn't work and I don't know how long.
Maybe maybe you can keep this going for another fifty
years because math doesn't work anywhere, or maybe it comes
crumbling sooner than that. But that but you know, in August,
they're still going to play football games and we're still
going to watch them, even if a lot of this
other stuff has some structs all rot to it, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's always intriguing to see what the next
steps are amongst the power brokers in college athletics. It's, uh,
it's not a great day to be a cougar, you know,
in a couple of different ways. But b yu in
controversy again, Matt, and it's it's not a good place
to be. Obviously, there's been a number of different honor
code violations and legal issues as well over the last year,
year and a half three in particular. So look, BYU
sets a standard, it's its own standard that it's set.
You know, student athletes don't always meet that standard from
an honor code standpoint.
Speaker 3: Where it gets.
Speaker 4: Really icky though, it is like when when legal issue
us are constantly coming up, Well, what do you make
of this? Give me your perspective on what's happening right now?
Is this is this a big issue that uh, you know,
b YU needs to maybe be a little bit more
maybe aggressive in their education on you know, in operation
now we've got babysit better.
Speaker 3: What's going on here?
Speaker 6: Yeah, this this is a tough question, and I think
I want to preface it with with the acknowledgment that
I'm in Chicago and that there's a lot of interpersonal
uh you know, facts to play with that with individuals
or what people knew and what they didn't know that
I'm not privy to, and so I don't want to
make assumptions.
Speaker 7: I don't I don't want to, I don't want I
don't want to make sweeping generalizations.
Speaker 6: The the the thing that we all kind of have
to make peace with is that if you're gonna have.
Speaker 7: An athletic department, and you want to have an athletic.
Speaker 6: Department that competes at the highest level and all the
rewards that come with that, you have to recognize that
you're going to be dealing with twenty two year olds,
twenty one year olds, twenty year olds in the United
States of America and the year of our lower twenty
twenty six, and they're going to make nucle head decisions,
and they're going to make bad decisions, whether they are
returned missionaries who are married in the temple and know
and and and you know, watch Johnny Lingo a thousand times,
or whether there are people that don't know anything about
the LDS faith or religion at all. Right, Like, I
don't I don't think. I don't think you're gonna you're
gonna prevent yourself from having bad headlines.
Speaker 3: Sure, if you make.
Speaker 6: An athletic department of just you know, assistant to the president,
return missionaries kind of guys, you know.
Speaker 5: Where I think.
Speaker 6: You have problems beyond the fact, Like, yeah, man, if
you've got a rapist on your football team. Youve got
to get that dude off the football team, like or
if you have somebody that's committed to felony, that guy
should not be on your campus. I don't think anybody
in good faith can say you can have a university
of thirty thousand people and not admit somebody who might
later make a bad choice. Sure, Like that's that, that's
part of the gig. The thing that that everyone has
to figure out is what are we doing to prevent
it from happening? And uh, what are we doing to
make sure that we're compliant with laws and our alleged
higher higher calling, Like I don't mind admitting this, and
you know, hopefully this doesn't mean I never get a
credential at DYU again, But like I had, I was.
Speaker 9: I was in my feelings a little bit yesterday when
I saw Gilbert get Get called be an apostle, and
I'm like, man, I I'm struggling with this a little
bit because I know some things that you've said about
athletics or that you've done behind the scenes that I
don't fuel line up necessarily with an apostolic call.
Speaker 7: If you're gonna, if you're gonna, if you're gonna line
up to that.
Speaker 6: Like it's one thing for a twenty year old to
make a mistake, it's another thing for somebody who should
definitely know better.
Speaker 7: And I think a challenge.
Speaker 6: For everybody, whether you're DYU or Ohio State or a
secular school or anyone, isn't just our the twenty year
olds making the right choice, since it is everybody above
them who should know better making the right choices to
to you know, get those people out of the paint
or or to hold people accountable. And that that's a
tough question, right, and and ultimately that that that's one
that people in Salt Lake are gonna have to grapple with,
or are people that are constituents of this institution. I
don't I don't think that's like department's broken, but like
it's it's if you're gonna if you're gonna say one thing,
by God, you you better make sure everybody is meeting
that standard as best as you can.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd agree with that.
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's a fair like b
a use the it sets the standard, right, sets the
bar and and and and when you set a bar high, uh,
those that when you don't. When you don't meet that standard,
the people that don't really like you setting that standard
or you know, they're gonna let you know about it,
and they're gonna hold you accountable to that that standard
that you set for yourself, especially if you know we
we put ourselves. You know, I've always discussed I don't
like Ramiumpton Mormon culture. It's not my favorite portion of
uh of the faith that I'm a part of by
any means.
Speaker 3: And sometimes we can go down that path. So I
don't I.
Speaker 4: Don't think any UH organization. I don't think any institution,
I don't think any religion.
Speaker 3: I don't think any any.
Speaker 4: Pastor, preacher, apostle, prophet is infallible, right, and I will
never ever expect infallibility. There will be follies and uh,
look if David could fall and murder and all in
the name of Bathsheba, all of us can fall uh
in some way, shape or form in life. And so
uh but you just hope, Hey, you gotta we gotta
be better man, and uh, there you are.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be.
Speaker 4: Judged according to uh the bar the standards that you set.
Speaker 3: And that's just the way that it is.
Speaker 4: And and so hopefully the way you can, uh, you know,
do a better job of of Yeah. Look I'm the
type that and and you know me pretty well. I'm like,
you know me pretty well.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I call them red group Red group guys, right, there's
red group people.
Speaker 3: Red group guys.
Speaker 4: They need mentors, they just need more babysitters, they just
do why, they need guardrails, and they need consistency of parameters.
And you have to be able to recognize those and
who knows right? You know, sometimes you don't know that
they're a red group person, that they're gonna make bad decisions,
But you want to do everything that you can.
Speaker 3: And I understand why you're in your feels.
Speaker 4: I think there's there's plenty of people that harold the
calling that has been handed down for Clark Gilbert, and
there are those that disagree with that.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know if you're ever gonna get everyone in line
that's like, we love this person. You're not even the
Savior himself. Jesus Christ was liked amongst his people.
Speaker 5: You know, unforestionably.
Speaker 6: And you know what, if anyone's listening to this, I
think you would be completely share to think why do
I care what this guy says. This dude's a fiscampalion.
He isn't get, he isn't he isn't gonna say. And
you know what, You're right, my friend, I don't I
don't get.
Speaker 7: I don't get to say.
Speaker 6: I could be totally wrong like this. It's just that
I know this guy a little bit differently than I
know some random.
Speaker 7: Bishop in France, right.
Speaker 6: Sure, And I think I think I would.
Speaker 7: I would kind of bring.
Speaker 6: This all together because I've been thinking about what you're
this dynamic a lot over.
Speaker 7: The past couple of days.
Speaker 6: Because it's not not a secret people listening to me.
Speaker 7: I've been on the show a lot. I'm from Columbus
and I went.
Speaker 6: To Ohio State, and I still like Ohio State. And
Ohio State is obviously a secular institution, but it is
supposed to stand for some level of public righteousness. It
is a moral land grant university meant to educate the
sons and daughters of toil, and it is supposed to
be for ethical.
Speaker 7: Good government everything.
Speaker 6: And guys, if you go to that campus right now,
we're all talking about this at the moment. There's like
six buildings named after Jeffrey Epstein's best friend, including like this,
this isn't a joke, right, like there's there's all. This
is a place that's done a lot.
Speaker 1: Of terrible things.
Speaker 5: And I point this out.
Speaker 6: Because I don't want people to think, like, ah, you know,
here's you know, mascot an act to grind against against you.
Speaker 1: Why, like I it's.
Speaker 6: This is this is a challenge among American institutions at
every level and especially in higher ed And I don't
know if look man if if if there's a university
in an athletic department ready to be translated right now,
it's news to me, email me that school so I
can stand at their feet, uh and learn from them.
All guys killdren got problems right now. The issue is
what are you going to do to try and six the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: Well, there's much good and I see a lot of
good in what you do, Matt, And love and appreciate you,
Love having you on the show. Love good you know,
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G Man, how the heck are you ready to go
to Post Malone and jelly Roll with me?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Just give me that chance. Wow, let's go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you big fan of Post Malone, you've a big
fan of Jelly Roll.
Speaker 1: They both have a lot of tattoos on their faces.
That's all I know about.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Huh, That's really all I know.
Speaker 3: Hey, I mean, I guess that's the start. She's probably
listening to some of their their their music. They got
some good songs.
Speaker 4: Man, you may you gotta get out of the eighties.
D man, We're in twenty twenty six. You gotta you
gotta listen to a few new songs.
Speaker 1: Do the Post Malone live here in Utah.
Speaker 3: Yeah too, Yeah, man.
Speaker 1: Well, well, all I know is that's gonna be the
night of our lives. I'm really excited for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, let's go. I'm excited too.
Speaker 4: It'll be a boys' night out and I can't wait
for a g Man July twenty eight. Now, g Man,
what's been keeping you busy with some of the content
you've been putting out there at the Daily Herald.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the off season and and it's all high
school right now, but obviously you want to monitor the
off season. What's going on. Some very unfortunate things happen
just recently, which my goodness, I came home and your
tweet was the first one I read, and there's some
news that you just you read it. It's like, am
I really reading this? This is really what's going on?
Just a complete shock for those that know of Parker Kingston.
And it's just it doesn't it seems very reality character,
much like the Jake Reetzlow thing did. But obviously this
is criminal, not civil. It was kind of easy to
put to vocals in that fact alone, but the fact
that this is criminal makes it far more serious. And wow,
it's it's really hard to understand how this is gonna unfold.
But I think what we can all rest assured is
I don't think there's any chance we'll ever see Parker
or Kingston play for BAU again.
Speaker 7: True.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, true, I think that that's accurate.
Speaker 4: Now, ge man, though, let's let's take some I don't
know if it's solace, but get some perspective. This is
not the first time that this stuff has happened in
BAU athletics history. There's plenty of controversies over the years,
and there's many of controversies amongst other athletic departments, and
and and you know, Matt brown Rade a really good
point is like, if you want to operate an athletic
department and your your key ambassadors, your talent pool is
eighteen to twenty two twenty three year old young men
and young women, You're gonna have some controversy along the way.
That's just the nature of the beast, because they tend
to make bad decisions, at least a few of them
along the way. So, but you give us some perspective here.
There's been major controversies. Before I arrived at BYU, there
was a huge rate scandal in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And what you can't have is for these
instances to stack. That's the bad thing. That's kind of
what I expressed on Twitter is although I think that
it was very, very dubious, the whole Jake Kreslaw thing
perception is a big thing for BYU. And if you
break it down, the reason B way you has athletic
programs is to spread the message, spread the gospel. Right,
So when you have two stories in less than a
year's splash on the front page of national news about
sexual assault allegations, it's not what you want. I mean
to put him mildly, and I understand, and I've had
many fans come at me saying this doesn't reflect the institution.
This reflects Parker Kingston the bad decisions he made. Okay, yeah,
I agree with that that is true. But Parker Kingston's
a represented the football program. That's what he is, right,
and what is bway you football? It's a conglomeration of coaches, players,
what have you, And that's your representative and he's not
representing very well. So of course that's going to cast
some bad light on the program. It's just the way
it is. I don't understand how that's arguable, but it's
just a very unfortunate thing. And it's shocking because Parker
was a kid. He really made an effort to put
himself out there. Last year. He was the one wanting
to do interviews, showing up, wanting to tell his story,
and it looked like he wanted to be that ambassador role.
He was embracing it. He was on a lot of podcasts,
gave tons of interviews, and and in light of what
just happened and what he's accused of, it just seems
very very bizarre in that light, is what I'm saying,
because because he wasn't putting forth the usually when you're
doing stuff, you don't want to put yourself out there,
right anyway, that's neither here or there. I'm just kind
of saying.
Speaker 4: That it's an anecdote, it's an active because you've interviewed
a number of I mean, you've interviewed student as it
for a long time. You can't always tell every time,
but you can kind of tell, Okay, these this young
man may not be a body by the honor code
or is that you know what I mean? Like, there's
there's a little bit of nuance.
Speaker 1: There, I tell you a story. So we founded Total
Blue Sports in two thousand and four. That was the
first year we well, well, two thousand and three, but
two thousand and four is when we were gained access.
And that's when Gary Carleton brought in all the guys, right,
all the guys that were part of the big scandal.
And I remember there's this kid named b J Mathis.
He was part of it, and I did an interview
with him and I talked to him for ten minutes
and he was so sincere and resolute and just wanted
to tell the story about just how he loves bway
you and all that. And literally two days later the
news broke of the scandal. So what I'm saying is
maybe I'm not the best judge at care. I don't
know right, and every kid's different, they tell you different things.
I can remember, I'm forgetting the kid's name. But there
was one guy that ended up transferring that I did
an interview with and he just regaled me with tales
of how he loves it and now he's sticking around
it despite all the rumors I was hearing. And then
two days later retransfers so I don't know if I
want to take my hat on me being able to
discern anything through interviews is what I guess I'm saying.
But it's a tough thing because Parker not only was
he the most dynamic skill position player on the team returning,
at least on the outside. I mean, LG. Martin's obviously
your guy, Parker Kingston as far as just just that person,
I think he was poised for really big things this year,
really big things. I gave the comparison of Dax Milne.
I think it's accurate, and the fact that he might
not be able to play football ever again is an
absolute tragedy. It makes me so sad, really really sad
when I think about it. But you make decisions, things
have to play out, and you have to be held accountable.
So I mean, I don't know if he's guilty, I
don't know what's going to turn out and all that,
but it's pretty apparent he did violate the honor code
and and and b way he's not going to be
able to accept him back, and it's just it makes
me really sad. That's the overwhelming uh uh thing I
have right now. And I know I'm a reporter. I'm
not supposed to get involved and emotional and all that.
But man, you interview these kids and you like them,
you like their stories, you like what they're about, and
you become attached to him and and and he's a
heck of a player. I mean, his skill sets not
something b what you typically has, where he's able to
be that gadget type of then develop into a really
good receiver, a team leader, a guy that puts himself
out there, get gets engaged. And this all comes down.
I mean, what a tragedy. It just it just makes
me really, really really sad about the entire situation.
Speaker 4: So how do you We were discussing that earlier in
the show. G Man, Uh, you know you're looking at
you know what it reminded me of it. I was
like trying to look for replacements. I was looking at
the roster, looking what's been acquired, and you're a guy
that I can lean on here and we can debate this.
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of.
Speaker 4: The the twenty thirteen twenty fourteen Wide Receiver Room. Remember
Robert and I when he came in in the Go Fast,
Go Hard, like he wasn't going after guys that were
like ten five ten six, one hundred meter guys. He
was getting big strong, like just big bodied wide receivers
that could win in jump balls and win in tight spaces.
And I see, like you said, like Cody Hoffman ross
Oppo six three six four, Mitch Matthews six six, Tarren
Howk six' five, right like big body guys all over
two hundred. Pounds right now you Have Kyler kasper six
six two. Twelve you Have reggie frishkinet uh six four
two ten two o. Five you Have Jojo phillips six
five two. Ten LIKE i look at these guys And i'm,
like oh my, gosh it kind of reminds me of
What robert. Did and there's a lot of intermediate passing.
Game bear bochmeer to, me he is like very much
an elite intermediate. Passer and if you if you don't
have elite arm, strength then you got to win in
the intermediate short passing game and your run game with
play action off of. That And i'm, like, HUH i
wonder if A rod's dialing up something here and he
had something cooking with this this new wide receiving. Corps
because you lose a great deep threat In. Parker you
lose a great slot, receiver a guy that has. TALLIED i,
MEAN i looked at this his, career ninety eight, receptions
twenty seven receiving, yards thirty nine, carries one hundred and
seventy two rushing. Yards he's got seven total touchdowns as
a receiver and a, rusher and then three additional returning.
Touchdowns he's also been four of eleven in passing and
three passing. Touchdowns that is a lot of production right.
Speaker 1: There, yeah it's a lot of. Production and that's not
even to mention this special teams aspect of what it contributes.
There i'm thinking of the three guys that could maybe replace.
Him first would Be Cody, hagen a guy that could play.
Slot is, shifty a guy that we thought it would
really enter his own last year and then for whatever
reason it didn't. HAPPEN i don't. KNOW i still believe
in his skill. LEVEL i believe in his. Talent he
is a four star. Prospect that would be the first.
Guy the second guy would Be terrence Sorry on from
the transfer From. Washington shifty. Guys he's five, ten one
hundred and sixty. Pounds that sounds Like Parker. Kingston, right
we'll see what this kid has comes spring practice. Sessions
but the fact that A rod made it a point
to bring in a guy that's not really matching up
with the type of receiver that you just mentioned leads
me to believe that this kid has some. Stuff, OBVIOUSLY
festi was, instrumental and A rod takes what, YEAH i, Mean,
fest he's the guy identifying these, guys and then A
rod's approving is pretty much how it. Goes but he's
intriguing to. ME i think a lot of people have
forgotten About sorry, ON i Hope i'm saying that, Right
but we'll see him come spring. PRACTICE i think it
could be. Intriguing and then the other. GUY i still
Think Tiger bockmeyer could be an impact. PLAYER i was
expecting him to have a bigger impact last year as.
Well and what was kind of weird was He's bear's, brother,
RIGHT i, mean they've got the connection build, in but
you know as well AS i, do it takes time
to learn the offense And tiger didn't have the benefit
of a spring practice. Session but he's a highly intelligent.
GUY i think he has a really good skill. Set
so those three GUYS i think could be capable of
providing some of What Parker kingston, did but all of
what he. DID i don't think that's reasonable to ask from,
anyone just because of how impactful and now dynamic he
was as a. Player but But i'm intrigued by all
three of those those. INDIVIDUALS i think they could do
some really good things that's coming.
Speaker 3: HERE i agree with all.
Speaker 4: Those in, fact those are the guys THAT i mentioned
in the AND i was looking at the uh the
the possible REPLACEMENTS i mentioned all those.
Speaker 3: Guys we are we are.
Speaker 1: KIDS i SWEAR i wasn't listing that.
Speaker 3: Way we are we are.
Speaker 4: KIDDRED i was even going, there we are kindred, spirits no,
Wonder we're going to The Post Malone Jelly roll concert together.
Speaker 1: On you like, right let's?
Speaker 4: Go yeahs, yes, yes indeed, sure uh g, man let's
talk SOME byu?
Speaker 3: Hoop shall WE? Byu?
Speaker 4: Basketball, actually one last thing before we go to? BASKETBALL rb,
two who's your most? Likely who's your favorite to? BECOME rb?
Speaker 3: Two is? It uh you?
Speaker 4: Know is It Logan Pain he's at, Pressing Rex's Devon
ECHA's AT sioni, moa who do you gott and.
Speaker 1: WHY I i Got Joe vessa De. MOONEY i really
liked HOW i really liked how he looked in the
pop tarts BOOL I i don't think that was a.
Flash he's a guy that got his, opportunity then he.
Fumbled you never saw him, again but when you did see,
him he looked. Capable and WHAT i like is he's
a change FROM. Lg. Martin he's not AN. Lg martin.
Type he's he's. Scatty he's kind of around the edges type.
GUY i think that would be a really good change of.
Pay SO i think he's the leader in the. Clothhouse
Logan Logan pain is SOMEONE i like a. Lot he
ran for a lot of. Yards and so is he
officially switched from? LINEBACKER i mean is that? Official OR.
Speaker 3: I don't? Wait so who officially moved to the? Linebacker?
Speaker 4: Well they signed him a No Logan Pain Logan, Pain, No,
no he's a Running, yeah, okay he has.
Speaker 1: Switched he is a running. Back, OKAY i don't.
Speaker 3: It's been a running.
Speaker 4: Back you're talking about his brother that was signed the Other.
Speaker 1: Pain oh, yeah, yeah all, Right i'm confusing.
Speaker 3: Them, okay, Yeah, tyler never, Mind Tyler Paint logan a running. Back,
Okay logan was An all state running.
Speaker 4: Back he had almost fourteen hundred yards rushing in twenty
twenty one out Of weber we were high.
Speaker 1: School, yes yes he, Did yes he. Did but for,
ME i Like Joe vessel De. MOONEY i think he's
going to be the.
Speaker 3: GUY i like. It SO i like. Basketball, okay, yeah
let's go.
Speaker 1: Basketball no no, no let me say.
Speaker 3: No no. No you were going to say, SOMETHING G,
MAN i cut you. Off, WELL i.
Speaker 1: Still think there's a possibility Because Parker kinston is going
to open up a scholarship and probably quite a bit
of ni own. Money let's be. HONEST i, mean it's
kind of brutal to. Say you don't want to say, that,
man go get a top flight running. Back but MAYBE
lg doesn't want.
Speaker 2: THAT i don't.
Speaker 1: Know it seems to me it's going to free up
some options and the.
Speaker 4: Transferport do you go get another wide receiver or do
you go get a running?
Speaker 3: Back do you think.
Speaker 1: Either one of? Those they're one of. Those they'll probably go.
Receiver but but my first thought before that came into
my stream of consciousness is IS i think they really
liked your best of the, MANY i think They're, YEAH
i think we got. This maybe we can roll with these.
GUYS i still think they need a transfer portal running,
back AND i think almost every fan agrees with me
in that. Regard so, yeah go a little, strike use
that scholarship in the NI o money and get someone. Big, so, anyway.
Speaker 3: Have you looked at the transferport? All, like what's what's
available in the portal right? NOW i don't.
Speaker 1: KNOW i need to look at. THAT i need to
do my due. DILIGENCE i throw something out and THEN
i don't have a name For.
Speaker 4: Yeah like BECAUSE i we're getting late in the game, here,
MAN i, Like i'm trying to think of what's out
there right?
Speaker 1: Now, yeah that's there's no.
Speaker 3: Question so who's out?
Speaker 1: There you?
Speaker 3: Know is there a junior college?
Speaker 4: Guy like you may be better off going out and
trying to find a junior college guy right now than
a transfer portal.
Speaker 1: Player yeah about how about we do this on the
way to The Jelly roll Of Post malone. Concert we'll
break it, down we'll talk about.
Speaker 3: It that's not Until july twenty. Eighth we got to
do it.
Speaker 1: Sooner it's Not oh There, oh that's, right of, COURSE
i know that's the DATE i haven't circle on my. Calendar,
anyway let's go.
Speaker 4: Basketball who's the most, likely, uh role player that's going
to step up to make b what you, basketball a
better all around?
Speaker 3: Team?
Speaker 1: Oh my, gosh what a. Question my. Goodness i'm still
going With. MOVE i still believe WHAT i liked About
move this last game Against baylor is he found a
way to contribute where he hadn't been able to contribute him.
BEFORE i mean before it was just kind of on the,
perimeter all my shots going oh, FINE i can do
a little. Bit oh it's not, going, OKAY i got.
Nothing we saw him, rebounding we saw cutting to the.
WHO i think he expanded on his role and found
some ways AND i think he's figuring some things out and,
yes late in the, process but basketball is. DIFFERENT i
mean you can figure it out really really late in
the process and still have it. Suffice SO i really
like WHAT i saw from him as far in that,
aspect and it seems like he's been more intentional on.
Defense it seems like he's making an impact there as.
Well So i'm still Writing Canar. DAVIS i think he's my.
Guy the guy that is the most frustrating player on
the entire team to me right now Is. KEPKAIDA i
do not understand what's going on there, well where he's
just getting pushed around inside a quick. HOOK i do
not understand are their injury. Issues everyone mentions the concussion
and he's still kind of. LOSING i don't, know but
they really really need to figure that out because it's
been a big. Day they're gonna need that inside. PRESENCE i,
MEAN a boop was outstanding Against, baylor, right But baylor's
kind of, small, right you get those big post. GUYS
i don't think he's gonna be able to have that
impact like he. Did but but, YEAH i Like Cannard.
DAVIS i think my boop's the easy. Answer But i'm gonna.
MOVE i liked the expansion of WHAT i saw in
his game and his contribution Against.
Speaker 3: BAYLOR i like a g man G.
Speaker 4: Manu any final thoughts before we let you, go anything
you're gonna be working, on anything you want to chime in,
on anything that's been keeping.
Speaker 3: You up at.
Speaker 1: Night, No i'm just ready for spring. Practices it's it's
gonna be. Interesting there's some storylines that there's some good.
THINGS i kind of mentioned haphazard on the on the
show last time you guys got after me that it's
gonna be boring because of every, positions so many people are.
Returning but you, know it's one of those. Things the
more you think. About, yeah there's some intriguing, storylines and
one of them is very. Unfortunate is how you replace Park.
Kingston i'm very very. Unfortunate so we'll see between those three.
GUYS i think the way he's gonna be able to
figure something. Out BUT i just cannot believe that any
of those guys are going to be as good as
What Parker kingston would have been his this coming. Year
and that's, again it's an absolute. Tragedy it makes me really.
Speaker 4: Sad big excuse To, phil no doubt about. It G,
MAN i always appreciate our. Time we invite everyone to
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Speaker 3: Herald thanks so, much.
Speaker 1: Buddy all, right we'll see you right there you.
Speaker 3: Go that's the G, Man ladies and.
Speaker 4: Gentlemen great, segment AND i always appreciate the G man
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