Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't mean to offend any of our listeners
Speaker 2: in the Great Northwest, but boy, there's been a couple
Speaker 2: of weird stories that have come out of Idaho in
Speaker 2: the last couple of days.
Speaker 3: You had the guy up in the hillt Mountains who
Speaker 3: up close to the Canadian border, who decides to set
Speaker 3: a fire in the forest. You get a little bit
Speaker 3: warm up in that neck of the wood, so he's
Speaker 3: got a pretty good fire going and he's, uh, he's popping.
Speaker 3: Firefighters killed two firefighters and the third is in tough shape.
Speaker 3: This was a horrific case, but not that any case
Speaker 3: is more or less horrific. But I can't think of
Speaker 3: a worse case than the case of Brian Coburger. This
Speaker 3: is a guy who you remember, I mean, he was
Speaker 3: the guy that that now is pleading guilty to killing
Speaker 3: four students four students at the University of Idaho, one
Speaker 3: man and three women. This was near in Moscow, Idaho,
Speaker 3: which is a community that I have some familiarity with.
Speaker 3: Worked with a couple of people from Moscow, Idaho in
Speaker 3: the business, people whose names you would know, but We'll
Speaker 3: leave that for another day. And so this guy, basically
Speaker 3: up close and personal, Okay, nearly three years after the murders,
Speaker 3: set to go to trial in August, He for years
Speaker 3: and years and years has fought against it. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you remember all of the publicity when it occurred. At
Speaker 3: these these students were killed, we assume by an individual.
Speaker 3: We didn't know who it was, and there was some
Speaker 3: great police work done that spotted his car. He was
Speaker 3: a student at another nearby college, and he now, according
Speaker 3: to everything that I've read, has decided to reach a
Speaker 3: plea deal to avoid the death penalty. According to a
Speaker 3: letter that prosecutors sent to relatives of the victims. Are
Speaker 3: reading from a piece written out of The New York
Speaker 3: Times from yesterday. I also have an associated press piece
Speaker 3: here that I'm relying upon. I didn't cover this story closely.
Speaker 3: We didn't do too much about it, but I want
Speaker 3: to talk about it tonight. The New York Times articles
Speaker 3: by two reporters, Mike Baker and Nicholas Bogel borrows Colberger
Speaker 3: had been set to go on trial murder in August,
Speaker 3: nearly three years after the killing. So the killings were
Speaker 3: I believe in November of twenty twenty two, there was
Speaker 3: a hearing set for this Wednesday. In a letter to
Speaker 3: the victims' families on Monday, prosecutors said mister Coberger's defense
Speaker 3: team had asked for a plea offer last week. Under
Speaker 3: the proposed agreement, which must be approved by the judge
Speaker 3: in this case, and that's an important element, Coberger would
Speaker 3: plead guilty to all charges and be sentenced to four
Speaker 3: consecutive life sentences and waive all rights to appeal. This
Speaker 3: guy obviously doesn't want the death penalty. Now, the people
Speaker 3: who he killed, they were young. He was thirty at
Speaker 3: the time, which is young, okay, But he killed and
Speaker 3: I want to mention their names, Ethan Chapin, Zana Kernoodle,
Speaker 3: Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Consalvus at a rental home near
Speaker 3: the camp in Moscow, Idaho. This was in November twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two. Autopsy showed the four were all likely asleep
Speaker 3: when they were attacked the coward that this guy is.
Speaker 3: Some had defensive wounds and each was stabbed multiple times. Now,
Speaker 3: of course, at the time, no one could figure out
Speaker 3: how does one person get into a house and kill
Speaker 3: four people without waking others, and apparently the phone call
Speaker 3: to the police didn't occur until seven hours The crime
Speaker 3: occurred apparently like at three point thirty four o'clock four
Speaker 3: point thirty in the morning, and the police were not
Speaker 3: called until very late in the morning. He was a
Speaker 3: criminal justice graduate student at Washington State University in Washington.
Speaker 3: He was arrested in Pennsylvania weeks after the killing. Investigators
Speaker 3: said that they matched his DNA to genetic material recovered
Speaker 3: from a knife sheep to the crime scene. Some of
Speaker 3: this might be coming back to you. The killing shook
Speaker 3: the small farming community of about twenty five thousand people.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good size for farming community. In a letter
Speaker 3: cited by In the letterative family cited by EBC, prosecutors
Speaker 3: said his lawyers approached them again seeking the plea deal,
Speaker 3: and under the proposed agreement, the prosecutor said they met
Speaker 3: with available family members last week before deciding to make
Speaker 3: Colberger an offer. So wait a second, his lawyers come
Speaker 3: and say, hey, make us an offer. We can't refuse,
Speaker 3: And so the prosecutors out there, instead of saying yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll make you an offer. You can have grapefruit juice
Speaker 3: or orange juice. The morning of your execution. No, they
Speaker 3: turned around and they said, Okay, plead guilty to everything,
Speaker 3: and you'll get consecutive sentences. So bot it's interesting when
Speaker 3: you think about it. He's years old. I guess he
Speaker 3: was twenty seven at the time. The people who he
Speaker 3: killed wereng like twenty one, twenty two. I'll get the
Speaker 3: numbers for you if you add up their ages. He
Speaker 3: killed people who had lived about eighty years and then yeah,
Speaker 3: the ages. Two of the victims were twenty one and
Speaker 3: two of the victims were twenty. They had spent a
Speaker 3: typical Saturday night out near the university campus and returned
Speaker 3: to the house in the early hours of Sunday a roommate.
Speaker 3: This is according to the New York Times article. A
Speaker 3: roommate who survived the attack said she heard what sounded
Speaker 3: like crying coming from a room of one of the women.
Speaker 3: She later told police that she had opened a door
Speaker 3: and seen a man with bushy eyebrows in black clothes
Speaker 3: and a mask. The man left the house, and the
Speaker 3: roommate began texting with another surviving roommate downstairs before taking
Speaker 3: refuge in her room, but neither she nor anyone else
Speaker 3: called the police until more than seven hours later a
Speaker 3: friend came to the house and discovered the body of
Speaker 3: one of the victims. In the years before the killings,
Speaker 3: Coburger eleven the Times reversed to everybody as mister, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to do that. Coburger indicated he was interested
Speaker 3: in studying criminals. In a message to a friend in
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, he wrote that he would like a job
Speaker 3: dealing with high profile offenders. Oh, you're going to deal
Speaker 3: with high profile offenders now. A few months before the murders,
Speaker 3: he posted on Reddit asking people who had spent time
Speaker 3: in prison to describe their thoughts, motions, and actions from
Speaker 3: the beginning to end of the crime commission process. Okay,
Speaker 3: I think we can say. He was a criminology PhD
Speaker 3: student at Washington State University, but it was just about
Speaker 3: a twenty minute drive from the crime scene. He had
Speaker 3: grown up in Pennsylvania study psychology and college. He was
Speaker 3: arrested in December of twenty two at his parents' home
Speaker 3: in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, about six weeks after
Speaker 3: the killing. Now defense team had tried to suppress some
Speaker 3: of the evidence, including the knight sheaf found at the
Speaker 3: cream the scene of the crime, and that record show
Speaker 3: he had purchased a knife of that kind of matching
Speaker 3: the sheath in the months before the killings. Video footage
Speaker 3: showed a car similar to his circling the neighborhood around
Speaker 3: the time of the debts. I believe that it was
Speaker 3: the car that was then found in a parking lot
Speaker 3: at his university in the state of Washington. So my
Speaker 3: question is pretty simple, Okay the families. Gonsalves's family expressed
Speaker 3: outrage in a Facebook post. We're beyond furious at the
Speaker 3: State of Idaho. They have failed us. Please give us
Speaker 3: some time. This was very unexpected. I'm sure the other
Speaker 3: families are feeling very much the same way. I can't
Speaker 3: imagine how they must feel tonight. The prosecutor said, this
Speaker 3: resolution is our sincere attempt to seek justice for your family. Really,
Speaker 3: this agreement insures the defendant will be convicted, will spend
Speaker 3: the rest of his life in prison, and will not
Speaker 3: be able to put you and other family members through
Speaker 3: the uncertainty of decades of post conviction appeals. Your viewpoints
Speaker 3: weighed heavily in our decision making process, and we hope
Speaker 3: that you may come to appreciate. Why believe this, Why
Speaker 3: we believe this resolution is in the best interest of
Speaker 3: judges in idahop judges may reject plea agreements, though such
Speaker 3: moves are rare. If a judge rejects a plea agreement,
Speaker 3: the defendant is allowed to withdraw his guilty plea. Obviously
Speaker 3: that was untrue. That is absolutely true. There would be
Speaker 3: no reason for the guilty flee to remain. Bottom line
Speaker 3: is I want to hear from you in this one,
Speaker 3: this punk. He took four lives of four people who
Speaker 3: were you know, several eight years his junior. He was
Speaker 3: twenty seven or so at the time. He's thirty. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he'll spend the rest of his life in jail. He'll
Speaker 3: probably end up in the supermax in Colorado. As one
Speaker 3: of these high profile killers. How can he be put
Speaker 3: into a general population. I don't think that's possible. They
Speaker 3: should have tried this case, and since in Idaho the
Speaker 3: people of Idaho have a death penalty, he should have
Speaker 3: been executed in my opinion, because of the crime that
Speaker 3: he committed. This was not a crime of passion. This
Speaker 3: was not a barroom fight in which somebody hit their head.
Speaker 3: This was killing four beautiful young people, literally as they slept.
Speaker 3: You could not have a more cowardly action by an individual,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, to take the lives of four innocent
Speaker 3: young people six seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
Speaker 3: ten thirty. First of all, should this judge accept the appeal,
Speaker 3: we'll probably not geting much impact in Idaho, to be
Speaker 3: honest with you, but I think the fact that we
Speaker 3: can talk about it maybe somehow, some way it might
Speaker 3: impact the judge. I don't know. I'm sure that the
Speaker 3: prosecutors are going to do the very best they can
Speaker 3: and the judge gets to dispose of the case and
Speaker 3: moves on. But I don't think this is fair to
Speaker 3: the memories of the victims. I really don't. And this
Speaker 3: is another case where clearly this guy has admitted his guilt.
Speaker 3: You might say he's just a sick animal to have
Speaker 3: done this. Okay, that's fine. You want to convict him,
Speaker 3: and you want to spare him the death penalty because
Speaker 3: he's a sick animal. I'm okay with that, but I'm
Speaker 3: not okay with using the death penalty as a bargaining ship.
Speaker 3: This guy is clearly guilty, and he has used the
Speaker 3: presence of the death penalty in Idaho to get a
Speaker 3: sweeter deal from his prosecution. There was no way he
Speaker 3: is going to be acquitted none whatsoever. Back on Nightside
Speaker 3: six one seven, two ten thirty six one seven, nine
Speaker 3: three one ten thirty. I know idols of our far
Speaker 3: away placement is part of the United States of America
Speaker 3: and this should not stand. Coming back on Nightside, it's
Speaker 3: Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio. Or
Speaker 3: let's go to the phones. Let's go to Gideon in Franklin, Massachusetts. Gideon,
Speaker 3: welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 4: I don't I'm okay. How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing just great? So what what? What do you
Speaker 3: think is going on out here? I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: understand why prosecutors would not be interested in, uh in,
Speaker 3: in following through on this this trial.
Speaker 4: I agree, I fully agree. You know, I'm from England.
Speaker 4: We don't have the death penalty there, and the death
Speaker 4: penalty I think is a little alien to me. But
Speaker 4: you know what, if there was ever a kay where
Speaker 4: someone deserved it, it's this one. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 4: mean that's what I think.
Speaker 3: You know, this is not the thing that's amazing about
Speaker 3: this is that any one of us who went to college,
Speaker 3: or who has children who went to college, or has
Speaker 3: grandchildren who are in college, now they can understand that
Speaker 3: you're a You're in a house and there's a you know,
Speaker 3: three or four bedrooms and people are off in different rooms.
Speaker 3: And this guy comes in in the dead of knight
Speaker 3: wearing a mask with a knife at four o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning with intention to kill. This is not some
Speaker 3: guy who got into a fight because everybody had too
Speaker 3: much to drink and push somebody off the second floor
Speaker 3: roof and the he killed four people in usually up
Speaker 3: close and personal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the factor, isn't it. It's the It's the
Speaker 4: not mitigating the opposite, the aggravating factors, you know, laying
Speaker 4: in wait.
Speaker 3: Yes, driving around and he must have been.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know what happened for four children. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, and this is big news. I was amazed
Speaker 4: because I thought he was going to go to trial.
Speaker 4: But if I was the family, I would be outraged
Speaker 4: right now, I really would.
Speaker 3: And I feel for them, well, some of them are
Speaker 3: get in I don't know if I've had you on
Speaker 3: as a caller before.
Speaker 4: You a new Yeah, I called about Karen Reid.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, all right, so we got you back. That's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I called and I said I didn't think
Speaker 4: she was a murderer. And I think that that that
Speaker 4: case turned out the way it should.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, you know as well as
Speaker 3: I do. I just want to make a quick comment
Speaker 3: that when the jury comes back in this country, they
Speaker 3: never say innocent. Hers might be a case of actual innocence,
Speaker 3: I get it, but the jury officially said simply not guilty.
Speaker 3: Different in English. What brought you over here to this country?
Speaker 3: Are you over here for good or working? Or what
Speaker 3: are you doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'll tell you. My son has autism. He
Speaker 4: was diagnosed at age five in nineteen ninety eight. So
Speaker 4: we came, we came to America. We came to the
Speaker 4: to Boston, to the Boston Higashi scored because he has autism,
Speaker 4: and he had he's had the most amazing therapy and
Speaker 4: you know, he's still I wouldn't say he's recovered completely,
Speaker 4: but he'd learned to talk and he's done really well.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we came over here for Joshua, my son,
Speaker 4: who's well, he's thirty two now, and he lives. He
Speaker 4: lives over here and he's doing really well.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's fabulous. And I is he in a
Speaker 3: group home of some sort? I assume is it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's in a group home during the week, but
Speaker 4: he comes home on weekends, so he comes to mind
Speaker 4: the other weekend, and his mother's every other weekend and vacation,
Speaker 4: so you know, he's based in the group home, but
Speaker 4: he sees you know, he sees me every other weekend
Speaker 4: and we have we have great life.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of parents who have children with autism,
Speaker 3: and the parents are the most amazing people that I've
Speaker 3: ever met, to be really honest with you, and I
Speaker 3: mean that seriously. Uh. There's a school in Southborough that
Speaker 3: that deals with uh, you know, young people with autism. Uh.
Speaker 4: And they do the New England Center.
Speaker 3: New England Center for Children. Yes, I've done some fundraising
Speaker 3: with them and made appearances with them, and my family,
Speaker 3: to the best of my knowledge, has never been touched
Speaker 3: by autism, even extended members of my family. But the
Speaker 3: parents of those children at the New England school, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure, like you and your wife, you work on
Speaker 3: behalf of your child and it's it's an amazing it's
Speaker 3: an amazing experience to watch from the outside. And I
Speaker 3: just think that my hat's off to you, Gideon, and
Speaker 3: to your wife and to your son, and.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Well, I'll tell him you said so,
Speaker 4: he would appreciate it. He hit the main center. So
Speaker 4: we're very lucky, really very lucky. But thank you.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it well, Gideon, thank you, and continue to call
Speaker 3: my program. And I really appreciate you participating tonight.
Speaker 4: Well, absolutely well, thank you, Dan, have a good one.
Speaker 3: You too, Gideon. Goodnight. We have great callers. We have
Speaker 3: a great, great group of callers here on this program,
Speaker 3: and so i'd like you to become a caller. If
Speaker 3: you've never called before, please identify yourself as a first
Speaker 3: time caller, because that's how we spread our audience a
Speaker 3: little bit and how we bring more people into the tent,
Speaker 3: the proverbial tent of Nightside. We're talking about the case
Speaker 3: of Brian Colberger. He is the criminal who decided on
Speaker 3: one Saturday night Sunday morning in November of twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two that he wanted to kill some people, and he
Speaker 3: killed four young people, four innocent young people, each of
Speaker 3: them killed while they slept, and you know, when you're
Speaker 3: in the in a deep sleep, imagine what it's like
Speaker 3: to wake up and realize someone is there stabbing you.
Speaker 3: You don't even know, you don't even know if it's
Speaker 3: a dream or reality, and by time you figure it out,
Speaker 3: it's too late. So he knew exactly when he wanted
Speaker 3: to do, what he wanted to do, and how he
Speaker 3: wanted to do it. And now we'll get to Hidie
Speaker 3: in Beverly. I don't want to short cut, short change
Speaker 3: Hidi in Beverly because we're coming up on a newscast
Speaker 3: and just turned nine thirty, so we're going to take
Speaker 3: the news. We have Haidi and Beverly, we have Matt
Speaker 3: and Franklin. There'll be our second call from Franklin tonight
Speaker 3: and I got room for you. It's six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 3: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 3: We will be back on night side right after the
Speaker 3: news break. I'd like to know from you. Are you
Speaker 3: as upset as I am that this I'm just not
Speaker 3: going to say what I really want to say. But
Speaker 3: this individual is able to escape the death penalty, which
Speaker 3: is available in Idaho by simply copying a plea so
Speaker 3: that he will serve four consecutive life sentences. He'll never
Speaker 3: get out. I hope they put him in general population,
Speaker 3: but he'll never be in general population either. Uh. And
Speaker 3: I'm sure that he will have his groupie fans who
Speaker 3: will be in touch with him, just like Luigi Mangioni
Speaker 3: has his groupie fans that I don't understand. But that's
Speaker 3: a story for another night. Here comes the news, be
Speaker 3: right back on Nightside, coming back. We got some lines
Speaker 3: six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty six one seven,
Speaker 3: nine three, one thirty. Later on tonight, we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about Trump's Big Beautiful Bill, which has at least
Speaker 3: in one incarnation past the Senate. Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 5: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's Use Radio.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to Heidi and Beverly. How do your
Speaker 3: thoughts on what's going on out in Idaho with this murderer.
Speaker 3: I think copping a sweet deal.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I totally agree with you. I think
Speaker 6: that the judge would reject the plea deal. I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm a mother of five. I can't even imagine what
Speaker 6: these parents are going through. I mean, it's horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my that's my sense of your.
Speaker 6: Child death penalty. Why shouldn't he get the death penalty?
Speaker 6: And I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, but
Speaker 6: in this case, i am, it.
Speaker 3: Says the family of Kayleie Gonzales.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The local one of the.
Speaker 3: Victims criticized the prosecution team for failing to consult with
Speaker 3: the families, some of them had worked to change Idaho
Speaker 3: law to allow the firing square as a form of
Speaker 3: capital punishment. After more than two years, he should get it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just want to quote from them, they say, after
Speaker 3: more than two years, this is how it concludes, with
Speaker 3: a secretive deal and a hurried effort to close the
Speaker 3: case without any input from the victims' families on the
Speaker 3: plea details. The consolv family said in a statement and
Speaker 3: their letters of the family, prosecutors wrote, the plea deal
Speaker 3: was our sincere attempt to seek justice, justice for you.
Speaker 6: Well, the judge still has the opportunity to, you know,
Speaker 6: prove that whole thing, which I'm hoping he does well.
Speaker 6: And I take people in the country gets upset about it,
Speaker 6: then they should, well.
Speaker 3: I have this judge has some courage and if he does.
Speaker 3: He should get a Profile and Courage award from the
Speaker 3: from the Kennedy Library, although he probably won't, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't know that the court system in Idaho. I
Speaker 3: have some friends in that hole, so I have a
Speaker 3: little knowledge of the state. But they've just had these
Speaker 3: horrible incidents. This incident and the one over the weekend
Speaker 3: with a guy set a fire so that firefighters will
Speaker 3: come up.
Speaker 6: And my son's a firefighter in devl A, you know,
Speaker 6: so it's really upsetting that he could be ambushed going
Speaker 6: to a call, you know, to save people's lives. That
Speaker 6: I totally agree with you. I think that the judges
Speaker 6: stick up and say, now we're not going to allow
Speaker 6: a plea deal. And as I said previously, I'm not
Speaker 6: a proponent of the death penalty, but in this case
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm with you. I'm with you, Heidi. I hope
Speaker 3: you continue to call my program. I need your voice
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 6: And thank you so much for taking my call.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for calling in, and also thank you
Speaker 3: for having five children, one of whom is a firefighter.
Speaker 3: A great public servant, those are the real you know,
Speaker 3: when the politicians call themselves public servants, I laugh at that.
Speaker 3: The real public servants of the firefighters, police officers, and
Speaker 3: EMTs uh and those who put themselves in Yeah, the
Speaker 3: wod guys danger you got it. The good guys and
Speaker 3: the good gals too. Thank you, Heidi, appreciate you all
Speaker 3: have a great name. Thank you, good welcome, by good night,
Speaker 3: by bye. Okay, let's keep rolling here. And as they say,
Speaker 3: one line at six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
Speaker 3: and we got one at six one seven, nine three
Speaker 3: one ten thirty. Let me go back to the calls,
Speaker 3: and we're going to bring Matt in Franklin, Massachusetts up. Matt,
Speaker 3: welcome to Night's side. Neither the second caller from Franklin Tonight,
Speaker 3: Matt going ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I personally think this is more like a financial
Speaker 5: decision for the state of Idaho than more than anything else.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's not like a state that has a
Speaker 5: lot of money for those state and local government, and
Speaker 5: this trial's gonna cost millions of dollars and be like
Speaker 5: a show, and they seem to like just want to
Speaker 5: avoid and get over number. Hopefully the judge tosses out
Speaker 5: now you hope.
Speaker 3: I don't know if judges in different states for judges.
Speaker 3: It's different. So in some states judges are appointed by
Speaker 3: the governor, as they are here in Massachusetts. In some
Speaker 3: other states they stand for election. If this is an
Speaker 3: elected judge, I hope that he will be listening to
Speaker 3: us what his constituents would say. And I think, just
Speaker 3: on the principle, it's not fair. You take four lives,
Speaker 3: you kill four. You know, these are people in twenty
Speaker 3: and twenty one years old, and you're gonna stop their life.
Speaker 3: Four people, and then it's only going to cost you
Speaker 3: life in prison.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the other thing that's peculiar about this case
Speaker 5: is the father flying out there to drive cross country
Speaker 5: with the sun in December. It's like most people when
Speaker 5: they go cross country, they go out in the fall
Speaker 5: or the spring of the summer. They don't go out,
Speaker 5: they don't go cross country the Rockies in December. And
Speaker 5: it's that happened like right after the car became known
Speaker 5: to the public. I don't think the family maybe knew
Speaker 5: he did it, but they probably wanted to get the
Speaker 5: car out of there, so they're weirdo sudden when get
Speaker 5: her ass. But that is pretty suspicious. And then I
Speaker 5: think another thing too, with the roommates not calling. I mean,
Speaker 5: maybe the school's like I know it's on Utah, but
Speaker 5: it's like probably maybe similar with the strict standards where
Speaker 5: they probably didn't want to call the police if there
Speaker 5: was like drugs and alcohol there. And I can't believe
Speaker 5: it in call for seven hours. And it's probably also
Speaker 5: not the first time they saw some like random person
Speaker 5: walking through the kitchen late at night too. But I
Speaker 5: think that's crazy that he missed the two witness systems.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. The case did seem to
Speaker 3: have that odd aspect. I remember there was he when
Speaker 3: Coburg became identified as a suspect. He was driving the
Speaker 3: car and his father was in the passenger seat and
Speaker 3: they was stopped by a by a state police office
Speaker 3: or a highway patrol officer. I think it was in
Speaker 3: Ohio somewhere like that.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it was Indiana twice, okay, yeah, right right
Speaker 5: next to Ohio.
Speaker 3: I was close, close, but no cigar, and it was
Speaker 3: it was there from the world to see and you
Speaker 3: could see that that he looked he had that squirrely
Speaker 3: look on his face like he was leaning over the
Speaker 3: steering wheel, like can I help you, officer? It almost
Speaker 3: looked like he was expecting.
Speaker 5: I guess they lost the FEDS along the way because
Speaker 5: they went a different way home and they got picked
Speaker 5: back up probably on like a camera speed camera and Indiana,
Speaker 5: and that's why they pulled them over. It's like the
Speaker 5: pictures of him. But yeah, I mean, there's no way
Speaker 5: he was going to get out of it with the DNA,
Speaker 5: and it's kind of amazing that he forgot the sheet.
Speaker 5: Supposedly he brought like a dustbuster and a bunch of
Speaker 5: other things. I'm just hoping there is a trial because
Speaker 5: it would be interesting to watch it. And I feel
Speaker 5: like the family is more like they want their fifteen
Speaker 5: minutes of fame and their voice heard. I mean, I
Speaker 5: I do understand that there so what you said he
Speaker 5: brought it?
Speaker 3: You said, did you read that he brought a dustbuster?
Speaker 3: You mean, like to clean up after the mess.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then when they went to his apartment, they
Speaker 5: took like a shop back out of there. And then
Speaker 5: when he went home, he was like trying to throw
Speaker 5: his crash and neighbors trash cans on his own, and
Speaker 5: the afraid they're all like trying to find the DNA.
Speaker 5: But wow, well, I mean that that also shows you
Speaker 5: like how oft the whole cell phone triangulation is, because
Speaker 5: I mean they're like, oh, you're on, like they're here,
Speaker 5: but he may be like, all right, well, the only
Speaker 5: place open in town is like right around the corner.
Speaker 5: So I mean he sort of had like everything covered
Speaker 5: except for the fact that he left the bloody sheath
Speaker 5: with his blood and sweat on it.
Speaker 3: So also but as his car, remember his car was
Speaker 3: spotted on some sort of circling the area, and then
Speaker 3: there was a security guard at the University of Washington
Speaker 3: that saw what was a similar car in their parking lot.
Speaker 3: I think that was the case.
Speaker 9: That yeah, that's yeaheah, that broke it.
Speaker 5: Over and then had he previously was pulled over when
Speaker 5: they had that tale.
Speaker 3: So that's a good one. That's a good one. Hey, Matt,
Speaker 3: I appreciate you call very much. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 3: We talk soon. We've got to take a very quick break,
Speaker 3: I promise, and then we'll be back. And I got Dave,
Speaker 3: I got Bishop right down in Rainham, Laurie's in Idaho.
Speaker 3: I got to get Laurie on here and Josephine and Needham.
Speaker 3: We'll get everybody in I promise coming back on nightside.
Speaker 3: You're on night side. Let me go right to the
Speaker 3: heart of it. Let's go to Idaho. Laurie, thank you
Speaker 3: very much for calling in tonight. Always appreciate your calls,
Speaker 3: but particularly in this one. How has this decision been
Speaker 3: received amongst those folks who know this case better than
Speaker 3: us in Idaho?
Speaker 9: Shock?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everybody, everybody shocked, hurt. One of the
Speaker 1: one of the families, I think it was Mogan's parents
Speaker 1: didn't was never for the death penalty in the first place.
Speaker 1: I think, pretty strong Christian belief there, and so they
Speaker 1: have been a little bit more accepting I guess of
Speaker 1: this the day they wanted over and they're happy with
Speaker 1: him having to think every day in prison about what
Speaker 1: he what he ruined in the world. But everybody else,
Speaker 1: I'm disgusted. I'm just holding on to hope that maybe
Speaker 1: that judge will say, nay, nay, nay.
Speaker 3: Are your judges elected out there or appointed?
Speaker 1: I think I think I read that this one was appointed.
Speaker 3: YEA, this would be I assume, I assume this would
Speaker 3: not be what you call what we would call here
Speaker 3: a district court judge. This is a capital case. So
Speaker 3: it'd be at a superior court level.
Speaker 1: I mean, right, they call a district out here, but
Speaker 1: it's the equivalent of the superior back there. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: And he was apported by the he was appointed by
Speaker 1: the previous governor who I forget his name, like somebody Bucks, somebody, yeah,
Speaker 1: or butchered somebody.
Speaker 3: Definitely a Republican, that's for sure, But it'll be interesting
Speaker 3: to see if he rejects you know them. When the
Speaker 3: prosecution agrees on a deal like this, it's tough for
Speaker 3: a judge to say no, I'm not going to go now,
Speaker 3: because everybody is saying yes. But I think it's going
Speaker 3: to depend on with the families if gonsalves. The family
Speaker 3: is obviously the most outspoken.
Speaker 1: But this is this is a hard and it didn't
Speaker 1: sound like they were part of any They didn't agree
Speaker 1: to it. I mean they were they were caught off
Speaker 1: guard by this letter that came, yeah, from the prosecutor.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe there'd been some talk about it as
Speaker 1: more like the letter came explaining why they're doing it,
Speaker 1: why it's in their best interest, in.
Speaker 3: Blah blah, the other which most prosecutors on a case
Speaker 3: like a high profile case, like this. They want to
Speaker 3: try the case because they want to be able to say, hey,
Speaker 3: I convicted my I was the prosecutor who convicted this guy.
Speaker 3: It's weird that the prosecutors on the case this high
Speaker 3: profile and this group and this personal. I mean, this
Speaker 3: is some This is not a guy who fired a
Speaker 3: gun from one hundred yards away and pops somebody. He
Speaker 3: climbed now onto the bed and killed these people while
Speaker 3: they slept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was personal vengeance.
Speaker 5: I don't know if.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was aware of them, neew
Speaker 1: of them, I don't know. Obviously, the two college campuses
Speaker 1: are relatively close together. But I don't know. He's just
Speaker 1: a sicko and he does not deserve to spend the
Speaker 1: rest of his life in jail.
Speaker 3: This is a horrible thing to say, but he has
Speaker 3: that kind of look of somebody.
Speaker 1: He's a creepy look, you know.
Speaker 3: And maybe it's the fact that he's wearing the orange jumpsuit,
Speaker 3: but I get that. Well, you're going to be our
Speaker 3: Idaho corresponding on this. I want you to keep on
Speaker 3: top of this for us. Okay, I'm serious, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Tell you this one caught me off guard. I heard
Speaker 1: that the yesterday was like what thought.
Speaker 9: You know what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. You can't say that
Speaker 3: in the radio, but we certainly understand what you're feeling,
Speaker 3: that's for sure. Sorry, thank you much. I appreciate you.
Speaker 5: I'll stay on it.
Speaker 1: Thank you for taking my.
Speaker 3: Let me go to Dave and brighton. Dave, you're next
Speaker 3: night soccer right ahead, Dave.
Speaker 7: Hi Dan.
Speaker 6: I just tuned in.
Speaker 7: I was watching closing argument with Vinnie Polatino. They had
Speaker 7: a lot of the i'd hoole prosecutors on there in Idaho.
Speaker 7: And when they have a change of plea like there
Speaker 7: is in this case, the the victims family, the three
Speaker 7: that are upset, they're going to have a chance to speak.
Speaker 1: Also, the.
Speaker 7: The they have a different attorneys, having like a metric line.
Speaker 7: And the thing was so many people called and complaining
Speaker 7: they wiped out the system so pretty big, pretty big
Speaker 7: an Idaho.
Speaker 3: I mean, like.
Speaker 7: I mean, the other three they were the most beautiful
Speaker 7: girls I've ever seen in my life. And I can't
Speaker 7: blame the outlar. You know that this is causing and
Speaker 7: you know it's one thing to do life in prison
Speaker 7: on death row, and it's another thing doing life knowing
Speaker 7: that you're gonna, you know, die, You're not waiting for
Speaker 7: somebody to say okay, time to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I get it. And by the way, they were,
Speaker 3: they were attractive young people, but that has nothing.
Speaker 4: To do with it.
Speaker 9: Day.
Speaker 1: No, No, he's a mass murderer, right right, right.
Speaker 3: Both of those says these children. Uh, and they were
Speaker 3: children at twenty twenty one. Yes, yes, yes, they are
Speaker 3: each the son or daughter of of of a loving parents.
Speaker 3: And uh, it's impressive. It's impossible to understand, Dave. I
Speaker 3: appreciate you call very much. Appreciate the updates even though
Speaker 3: you plunge some some podcasts that I have no idea
Speaker 3: who will die. But let me go to Josephine and
Speaker 3: need him. I'm gonna say, Reverend Bishop Wright for last,
Speaker 3: go ahead, Josephine, I gotta get you, and I gets
Speaker 3: go ahead, Josephine.
Speaker 8: I believe he's feeling like I won. I took you
Speaker 8: people over the colds for three years and now I'm winning.
Speaker 3: Yes, I couldn't agree anymore.
Speaker 8: It just didn't look on his face. It's like I won.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I did what I wanted to do. And
Speaker 3: whether or not as a as a student of murder,
Speaker 3: and which is what he's studying. Maybe he felt he
Speaker 3: had to do this to understand who knows what went
Speaker 3: on in his sick, twisted mind. And now he's thinking
Speaker 3: to himself, I'm the smartest guy in the room. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're the smartest guy in the world. But you're never
Speaker 3: going to see the light of day. And if it
Speaker 3: had the way of most people, you'd the last thing
Speaker 3: you'd see would be a bullet moving towards your forehead.
Speaker 8: Right, But he is down the down. Years later, can
Speaker 8: they turn around and he's been so good and such a.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, you know, twenty five years from now, and
Speaker 3: he first of all, he's going to find Jesus in prison.
Speaker 3: They all find Jesus. He's going to take some college courses,
Speaker 3: he's going to get his degree, and then he's going
Speaker 3: to be involved in a teaching program teaching English to
Speaker 3: inmates who English is not their first language. And he
Speaker 3: may have a Bible study group. That's the other thing
Speaker 3: that is always very good, have a Bible study group.
Speaker 3: And then he's a changed person. He's not the same
Speaker 3: person who killed these four people. Back what year was
Speaker 3: it now, Oh? Yeah, yes, it was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: That's a long time ago. Our new governor is going
Speaker 3: to commute his sentence in an act to do that.
Speaker 3: Sure they can, they can. Governors have pary plenary powers,
Speaker 3: and you know, you could, they could have you know,
Speaker 3: he could get sick in prison, he could, he could
Speaker 3: develop a disease, and they could give him some sort
Speaker 3: of a you know, a parole, medical parole. There's lunch
Speaker 3: they can do. And you never know where this country
Speaker 3: will be twenty years from now. Josephine, thank you much,
Speaker 3: We think alike. Thank you so much.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Good night, Bishop right and rain and Bishop right. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna shop you a little bit on time here because
Speaker 3: you called in a little late that I want to
Speaker 3: hear what you have to say.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, really I used to say, you know,
Speaker 9: an individual of this nature, he's already dead. He's just
Speaker 9: a dead man walking. So he's already dead to me
Speaker 9: and my nice dance. I mean, many scholars you're talking
Speaker 9: about come to Jesus moments. But you know, many biblical
Speaker 9: schols will say, well, you know, Paul in the Bible,
Speaker 9: he was a Christian killer and he killed a lot
Speaker 9: of Christians, and as the Lord turned him around. Okay, fine,
Speaker 9: But living in this day and time, and you know
Speaker 9: there where there's two natures in us. One nature was
Speaker 9: against the other nature. When I would do good, evil
Speaker 9: as always pleasant and on my end, I gotta say
Speaker 9: I'm with you then, because you know, he does not
Speaker 9: deserve he does not deserve to I feel in my
Speaker 9: humanistic side, I don't even feel that he deserves to
Speaker 9: be a dead man living, much less a dead man walking,
Speaker 9: you know, because I mean, you cowardly, you know, just
Speaker 9: took four innocent lives in their sleep. Not only that
Speaker 9: your six is going on in your mind. So my
Speaker 9: thing is my thing? Is you like the last call?
Speaker 9: I agreed, you know what she had said. You know
Speaker 9: you think you won. Okay, let me let us show
Speaker 9: you how we're gonna win. And with you know, you're
Speaker 9: gonna quietly go you know, lethal injectal dejection or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, he'll he'll be he'll be a big he'll
Speaker 3: be a big man. Uh you know in the South,
Speaker 3: he'll be a big man. Old there is you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Bishop. I love the fact
Speaker 3: you listen to my show, and I love the fact
Speaker 3: that you call. Yeah, right, you bet. You look, God
Speaker 3: may want to forgive him. You know, I'm like you,
Speaker 3: I'm Christian.
Speaker 9: Just just just pray. God sees his old and understand.
Speaker 6: So just pray.
Speaker 9: And you know, hey, either way, he's going to have
Speaker 9: to face judgment for that, and I'll face judgment from
Speaker 9: voting for to execute him. I'm willing to do that.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll see, we'll see. Bishop, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I really do appreciate your listening to this program. Thank you,
Speaker 3: my friend. We'll talk soon, okay, Bishop right of Raydom. Thanks. Bishop.
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