WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:06.280 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:10.359 Well, I don't mean to offend any of our listeners 3 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:13.359 in the Great Northwest, but boy, there's been a couple 4 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.760 of weird stories that have come out of Idaho in 5 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:18.640 the last couple of days. 6 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:22.079 You had the guy up in the hillt Mountains who 7 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:26.960 up close to the Canadian border, who decides to set 8 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:30.280 a fire in the forest. You get a little bit 9 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:31.920 warm up in that neck of the wood, so he's 10 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:35.759 got a pretty good fire going and he's, uh, he's popping. 11 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:41.359 Firefighters killed two firefighters and the third is in tough shape. 12 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:50.079 This was a horrific case, but not that any case 13 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.439 is more or less horrific. But I can't think of 14 00:00:53.520 --> 00:01:00.399 a worse case than the case of Brian Coburger. This 15 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:04.040 is a guy who you remember, I mean, he was 16 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:08.159 the guy that that now is pleading guilty to killing 17 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:14.719 four students four students at the University of Idaho, one 18 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:21.439 man and three women. This was near in Moscow, Idaho, 19 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:25.920 which is a community that I have some familiarity with. 20 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.040 Worked with a couple of people from Moscow, Idaho in 21 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:32.000 the business, people whose names you would know, but We'll 22 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:37.359 leave that for another day. And so this guy, basically 23 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:45.200 up close and personal, Okay, nearly three years after the murders, 24 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:50.280 set to go to trial in August, He for years 25 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.120 and years and years has fought against it. I'm sure 26 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.959 you remember all of the publicity when it occurred. At 27 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:04.319 these these students were killed, we assume by an individual. 28 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:06.879 We didn't know who it was, and there was some 29 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:13.039 great police work done that spotted his car. He was 30 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:19.800 a student at another nearby college, and he now, according 31 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:24.479 to everything that I've read, has decided to reach a 32 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:28.560 plea deal to avoid the death penalty. According to a 33 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.280 letter that prosecutors sent to relatives of the victims. Are 34 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:34.240 reading from a piece written out of The New York 35 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:37.000 Times from yesterday. I also have an associated press piece 36 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:40.360 here that I'm relying upon. I didn't cover this story closely. 37 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:43.080 We didn't do too much about it, but I want 38 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.280 to talk about it tonight. The New York Times articles 39 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:51.319 by two reporters, Mike Baker and Nicholas Bogel borrows Colberger 40 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.120 had been set to go on trial murder in August, 41 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:57.319 nearly three years after the killing. So the killings were 42 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:03.199 I believe in November of twenty twenty two, there was 43 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:07.240 a hearing set for this Wednesday. In a letter to 44 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:12.520 the victims' families on Monday, prosecutors said mister Coberger's defense 45 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.719 team had asked for a plea offer last week. Under 46 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:20.000 the proposed agreement, which must be approved by the judge 47 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:24.560 in this case, and that's an important element, Coberger would 48 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.120 plead guilty to all charges and be sentenced to four 49 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:34.120 consecutive life sentences and waive all rights to appeal. This 50 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:39.360 guy obviously doesn't want the death penalty. Now, the people 51 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:44.719 who he killed, they were young. He was thirty at 52 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:49.000 the time, which is young, okay, But he killed and 53 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:54.319 I want to mention their names, Ethan Chapin, Zana Kernoodle, 54 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:59.599 Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Consalvus at a rental home near 55 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:02.840 the camp in Moscow, Idaho. This was in November twenty 56 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:07.280 twenty two. Autopsy showed the four were all likely asleep 57 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.960 when they were attacked the coward that this guy is. 58 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:16.160 Some had defensive wounds and each was stabbed multiple times. Now, 59 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:19.519 of course, at the time, no one could figure out 60 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:23.000 how does one person get into a house and kill 61 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:28.439 four people without waking others, and apparently the phone call 62 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:32.240 to the police didn't occur until seven hours The crime 63 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:36.480 occurred apparently like at three point thirty four o'clock four 64 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.319 point thirty in the morning, and the police were not 65 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.519 called until very late in the morning. He was a 66 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:48.680 criminal justice graduate student at Washington State University in Washington. 67 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:53.800 He was arrested in Pennsylvania weeks after the killing. Investigators 68 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:58.399 said that they matched his DNA to genetic material recovered 69 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.319 from a knife sheep to the crime scene. Some of 70 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:03.959 this might be coming back to you. The killing shook 71 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.519 the small farming community of about twenty five thousand people. 72 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:10.399 It's pretty good size for farming community. In a letter 73 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:16.439 cited by In the letterative family cited by EBC, prosecutors 74 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:19.800 said his lawyers approached them again seeking the plea deal, 75 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:25.480 and under the proposed agreement, the prosecutor said they met 76 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.879 with available family members last week before deciding to make 77 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:32.800 Colberger an offer. So wait a second, his lawyers come 78 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:36.079 and say, hey, make us an offer. We can't refuse, 79 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:40.360 And so the prosecutors out there, instead of saying yeah, 80 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.759 we'll make you an offer. You can have grapefruit juice 81 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.519 or orange juice. The morning of your execution. No, they 82 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.399 turned around and they said, Okay, plead guilty to everything, 83 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:57.800 and you'll get consecutive sentences. So bot it's interesting when 84 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:01.920 you think about it. He's years old. I guess he 85 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.160 was twenty seven at the time. The people who he 86 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:07.800 killed wereng like twenty one, twenty two. I'll get the 87 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:14.279 numbers for you if you add up their ages. He 88 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:18.279 killed people who had lived about eighty years and then yeah, 89 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:22.040 the ages. Two of the victims were twenty one and 90 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:25.519 two of the victims were twenty. They had spent a 91 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:29.480 typical Saturday night out near the university campus and returned 92 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.560 to the house in the early hours of Sunday a roommate. 93 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:34.600 This is according to the New York Times article. A 94 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:37.600 roommate who survived the attack said she heard what sounded 95 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.560 like crying coming from a room of one of the women. 96 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.079 She later told police that she had opened a door 97 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.319 and seen a man with bushy eyebrows in black clothes 98 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:48.600 and a mask. The man left the house, and the 99 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:53.120 roommate began texting with another surviving roommate downstairs before taking 100 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.279 refuge in her room, but neither she nor anyone else 101 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:00.240 called the police until more than seven hours later a 102 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.839 friend came to the house and discovered the body of 103 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:11.519 one of the victims. In the years before the killings, 104 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.959 Coburger eleven the Times reversed to everybody as mister, I'm 105 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.240 not going to do that. Coburger indicated he was interested 106 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:21.240 in studying criminals. In a message to a friend in 107 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.480 twenty eighteen, he wrote that he would like a job 108 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.720 dealing with high profile offenders. Oh, you're going to deal 109 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.800 with high profile offenders now. A few months before the murders, 110 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:33.439 he posted on Reddit asking people who had spent time 111 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:37.600 in prison to describe their thoughts, motions, and actions from 112 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:43.560 the beginning to end of the crime commission process. Okay, 113 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:48.959 I think we can say. He was a criminology PhD 114 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.279 student at Washington State University, but it was just about 115 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:54.600 a twenty minute drive from the crime scene. He had 116 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.199 grown up in Pennsylvania study psychology and college. He was 117 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.480 arrested in December of twenty two at his parents' home 118 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.720 in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, about six weeks after 119 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.720 the killing. Now defense team had tried to suppress some 120 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:14.279 of the evidence, including the knight sheaf found at the 121 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:18.879 cream the scene of the crime, and that record show 122 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:21.240 he had purchased a knife of that kind of matching 123 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.519 the sheath in the months before the killings. Video footage 124 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:27.920 showed a car similar to his circling the neighborhood around 125 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:29.920 the time of the debts. I believe that it was 126 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:35.679 the car that was then found in a parking lot 127 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.519 at his university in the state of Washington. So my 128 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:45.799 question is pretty simple, Okay the families. Gonsalves's family expressed 129 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:49.159 outrage in a Facebook post. We're beyond furious at the 130 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.759 State of Idaho. They have failed us. Please give us 131 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:56.879 some time. This was very unexpected. I'm sure the other 132 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.440 families are feeling very much the same way. I can't 133 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:09.679 imagine how they must feel tonight. The prosecutor said, this 134 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:14.200 resolution is our sincere attempt to seek justice for your family. Really, 135 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.559 this agreement insures the defendant will be convicted, will spend 136 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.879 the rest of his life in prison, and will not 137 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.200 be able to put you and other family members through 138 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.039 the uncertainty of decades of post conviction appeals. Your viewpoints 139 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.240 weighed heavily in our decision making process, and we hope 140 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.759 that you may come to appreciate. Why believe this, Why 141 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.000 we believe this resolution is in the best interest of 142 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:42.759 judges in idahop judges may reject plea agreements, though such 143 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.559 moves are rare. If a judge rejects a plea agreement, 144 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.879 the defendant is allowed to withdraw his guilty plea. Obviously 145 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:53.200 that was untrue. That is absolutely true. There would be 146 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.519 no reason for the guilty flee to remain. Bottom line 147 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.039 is I want to hear from you in this one, 148 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:02.159 this punk. He took four lives of four people who 149 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:04.879 were you know, several eight years his junior. He was 150 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:07.960 twenty seven or so at the time. He's thirty. Now. Yeah, 151 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.080 he'll spend the rest of his life in jail. He'll 152 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.759 probably end up in the supermax in Colorado. As one 153 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.399 of these high profile killers. How can he be put 154 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:22.039 into a general population. I don't think that's possible. They 155 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.159 should have tried this case, and since in Idaho the 156 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.080 people of Idaho have a death penalty, he should have 157 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:33.000 been executed in my opinion, because of the crime that 158 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.799 he committed. This was not a crime of passion. This 159 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:38.320 was not a barroom fight in which somebody hit their head. 160 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:46.120 This was killing four beautiful young people, literally as they slept. 161 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.240 You could not have a more cowardly action by an individual, 162 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.720 in my opinion, to take the lives of four innocent 163 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:59.159 young people six seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six, one, seven, nine, three, one, 164 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:03.200 ten thirty. First of all, should this judge accept the appeal, 165 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.360 we'll probably not geting much impact in Idaho, to be 166 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.720 honest with you, but I think the fact that we 167 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.360 can talk about it maybe somehow, some way it might 168 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.279 impact the judge. I don't know. I'm sure that the 169 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:19.919 prosecutors are going to do the very best they can 170 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.519 and the judge gets to dispose of the case and 171 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.200 moves on. But I don't think this is fair to 172 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:29.320 the memories of the victims. I really don't. And this 173 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:33.600 is another case where clearly this guy has admitted his guilt. 174 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:36.919 You might say he's just a sick animal to have 175 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:40.039 done this. Okay, that's fine. You want to convict him, 176 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:41.879 and you want to spare him the death penalty because 177 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.480 he's a sick animal. I'm okay with that, but I'm 178 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.679 not okay with using the death penalty as a bargaining ship. 179 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:53.480 This guy is clearly guilty, and he has used the 180 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.720 presence of the death penalty in Idaho to get a 181 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.919 sweeter deal from his prosecution. There was no way he 182 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.720 is going to be acquitted none whatsoever. Back on Nightside 183 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:06.720 six one seven, two ten thirty six one seven, nine 184 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.799 three one ten thirty. I know idols of our far 185 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.159 away placement is part of the United States of America 186 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:16.159 and this should not stand. Coming back on Nightside, it's 187 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:21.840 Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio. Or 188 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:26.399 let's go to the phones. Let's go to Gideon in Franklin, Massachusetts. Gideon, 189 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:27.720 welcome to Nightside. How are you? 190 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:30.080 I don't I'm okay. How are you? 191 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:34.559 I'm doing just great? So what what? What do you 192 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:37.559 think is going on out here? I mean, I don't 193 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:43.879 understand why prosecutors would not be interested in, uh in, 194 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:46.600 in following through on this this trial. 195 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:51.519 I agree, I fully agree. You know, I'm from England. 196 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.440 We don't have the death penalty there, and the death 197 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.720 penalty I think is a little alien to me. But 198 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.879 you know what, if there was ever a kay where 199 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:05.919 someone deserved it, it's this one. Yeah, you know, I 200 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:07.440 mean that's what I think. 201 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:12.000 You know, this is not the thing that's amazing about 202 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:16.039 this is that any one of us who went to college, 203 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.559 or who has children who went to college, or has 204 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:24.159 grandchildren who are in college, now they can understand that 205 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.000 you're a You're in a house and there's a you know, 206 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:30.679 three or four bedrooms and people are off in different rooms. 207 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:33.200 And this guy comes in in the dead of knight 208 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:36.519 wearing a mask with a knife at four o'clock in 209 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:39.879 the morning with intention to kill. This is not some 210 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.279 guy who got into a fight because everybody had too 211 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.519 much to drink and push somebody off the second floor 212 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.720 roof and the he killed four people in usually up 213 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:51.679 close and personal. 214 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:57.039 Yeah, it's the factor, isn't it. It's the It's the 215 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:01.279 not mitigating the opposite, the aggravating factors, you know, laying 216 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:02.000 in wait. 217 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:06.039 Yes, driving around and he must have been. 218 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:12.600 Yeah, I didn't know what happened for four children. I mean, 219 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.000 you know, and this is big news. I was amazed 220 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.440 because I thought he was going to go to trial. 221 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.480 But if I was the family, I would be outraged 222 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:24.080 right now, I really would. 223 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:27.200 And I feel for them, well, some of them are 224 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:30.200 get in I don't know if I've had you on 225 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:31.720 as a caller before. 226 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.600 You a new Yeah, I called about Karen Reid. 227 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.840 Oh okay, all right, so we got you back. That's good. 228 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:40.879 Yeah, Yeah, I called and I said I didn't think 229 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:42.759 she was a murderer. And I think that that that 230 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:44.720 case turned out the way it should. 231 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.600 Yeah, I mean, you know, you know as well as 232 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:49.279 I do. I just want to make a quick comment 233 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:52.240 that when the jury comes back in this country, they 234 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:55.600 never say innocent. Hers might be a case of actual innocence, 235 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:59.240 I get it, but the jury officially said simply not guilty. 236 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:04.240 Different in English. What brought you over here to this country? 237 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.559 Are you over here for good or working? Or what 238 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:06.960 are you doing? 239 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:12.440 Yeah, so I'll tell you. My son has autism. He 240 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:16.639 was diagnosed at age five in nineteen ninety eight. So 241 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.159 we came, we came to America. We came to the 242 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.720 to Boston, to the Boston Higashi scored because he has autism, 243 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:27.679 and he had he's had the most amazing therapy and 244 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:32.440 you know, he's still I wouldn't say he's recovered completely, 245 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.799 but he'd learned to talk and he's done really well. 246 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.960 So yeah, we came over here for Joshua, my son, 247 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.399 who's well, he's thirty two now, and he lives. He 248 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:47.320 lives over here and he's doing really well. 249 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:51.080 Well, that's that's fabulous. And I is he in a 250 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.559 group home of some sort? I assume is it. 251 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.080 Yeah, he's in a group home during the week, but 252 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:59.720 he comes home on weekends, so he comes to mind 253 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.840 the other weekend, and his mother's every other weekend and vacation, 254 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:06.759 so you know, he's based in the group home, but 255 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:09.559 he sees you know, he sees me every other weekend 256 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:11.200 and we have we have great life. 257 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:16.919 I know a lot of parents who have children with autism, 258 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:20.399 and the parents are the most amazing people that I've 259 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.080 ever met, to be really honest with you, and I 260 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:28.159 mean that seriously. Uh. There's a school in Southborough that 261 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:32.120 that deals with uh, you know, young people with autism. Uh. 262 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.440 And they do the New England Center. 263 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:38.639 New England Center for Children. Yes, I've done some fundraising 264 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.240 with them and made appearances with them, and my family, 265 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.159 to the best of my knowledge, has never been touched 266 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.799 by autism, even extended members of my family. But the 267 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:53.879 parents of those children at the New England school, and 268 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.639 I'm sure, like you and your wife, you work on 269 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:01.639 behalf of your child and it's it's an amazing it's 270 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:06.160 an amazing experience to watch from the outside. And I 271 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.079 just think that my hat's off to you, Gideon, and 272 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.720 to your wife and to your son, and. 273 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:17.400 I appreciate it. Well, I'll tell him you said so, 274 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:19.599 he would appreciate it. He hit the main center. So 275 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.559 we're very lucky, really very lucky. But thank you. 276 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.119 Appreciate it well, Gideon, thank you, and continue to call 277 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.240 my program. And I really appreciate you participating tonight. 278 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.599 Well, absolutely well, thank you, Dan, have a good one. 279 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.799 You too, Gideon. Goodnight. We have great callers. We have 280 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.680 a great, great group of callers here on this program, 281 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:40.440 and so i'd like you to become a caller. If 282 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:43.960 you've never called before, please identify yourself as a first 283 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.359 time caller, because that's how we spread our audience a 284 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:48.720 little bit and how we bring more people into the tent, 285 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.519 the proverbial tent of Nightside. We're talking about the case 286 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:57.759 of Brian Colberger. He is the criminal who decided on 287 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:01.559 one Saturday night Sunday morning in November of twenty twenty 288 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.440 two that he wanted to kill some people, and he 289 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.160 killed four young people, four innocent young people, each of 290 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:12.079 them killed while they slept, and you know, when you're 291 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.480 in the in a deep sleep, imagine what it's like 292 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.759 to wake up and realize someone is there stabbing you. 293 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.000 You don't even know, you don't even know if it's 294 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.759 a dream or reality, and by time you figure it out, 295 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:28.039 it's too late. So he knew exactly when he wanted 296 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:30.240 to do, what he wanted to do, and how he 297 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.920 wanted to do it. And now we'll get to Hidie 298 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:36.880 in Beverly. I don't want to short cut, short change 299 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.079 Hidi in Beverly because we're coming up on a newscast 300 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.000 and just turned nine thirty, so we're going to take 301 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:44.480 the news. We have Haidi and Beverly, we have Matt 302 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.079 and Franklin. There'll be our second call from Franklin tonight 303 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.599 and I got room for you. It's six one, seven, two, five, 304 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:53.240 four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 305 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.599 We will be back on night side right after the 306 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:58.400 news break. I'd like to know from you. Are you 307 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:03.640 as upset as I am that this I'm just not 308 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:05.400 going to say what I really want to say. But 309 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:10.079 this individual is able to escape the death penalty, which 310 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:15.039 is available in Idaho by simply copying a plea so 311 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:18.079 that he will serve four consecutive life sentences. He'll never 312 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.200 get out. I hope they put him in general population, 313 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.640 but he'll never be in general population either. Uh. And 314 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.720 I'm sure that he will have his groupie fans who 315 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:32.599 will be in touch with him, just like Luigi Mangioni 316 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:36.000 has his groupie fans that I don't understand. But that's 317 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:38.400 a story for another night. Here comes the news, be 318 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:40.920 right back on Nightside, coming back. We got some lines 319 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.599 six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty six one seven, 320 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:46.160 nine three, one thirty. Later on tonight, we're going to 321 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:50.480 talk about Trump's Big Beautiful Bill, which has at least 322 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:53.880 in one incarnation past the Senate. Back on Nightside after this. 323 00:19:55.480 --> 00:20:00.640 Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's Use Radio. 324 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:03.759 Okay, let's go to Heidi and Beverly. How do your 325 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.799 thoughts on what's going on out in Idaho with this murderer. 326 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:09.759 I think copping a sweet deal. 327 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.839 Oh my god, I totally agree with you. I think 328 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:17.839 that the judge would reject the plea deal. I mean, 329 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.480 I'm a mother of five. I can't even imagine what 330 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:26.599 these parents are going through. I mean, it's horrible. 331 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:29.920 Yeah, that's my that's my sense of your. 332 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:35.319 Child death penalty. Why shouldn't he get the death penalty? 333 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:39.160 And I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, but 334 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:42.480 in this case, i am, it. 335 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:46.359 Says the family of Kayleie Gonzales. 336 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:47.400 Yeah. 337 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:49.480 The local one of the. 338 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:53.960 Victims criticized the prosecution team for failing to consult with 339 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:58.000 the families, some of them had worked to change Idaho 340 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:00.880 law to allow the firing square as a form of 341 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:05.519 capital punishment. After more than two years, he should get it. Yeah, 342 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:08.200 I just want to quote from them, they say, after 343 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:10.559 more than two years, this is how it concludes, with 344 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.920 a secretive deal and a hurried effort to close the 345 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:15.519 case without any input from the victims' families on the 346 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:19.160 plea details. The consolv family said in a statement and 347 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:21.960 their letters of the family, prosecutors wrote, the plea deal 348 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.599 was our sincere attempt to seek justice, justice for you. 349 00:21:28.359 --> 00:21:33.559 Well, the judge still has the opportunity to, you know, 350 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:38.880 prove that whole thing, which I'm hoping he does well. 351 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:43.680 And I take people in the country gets upset about it, 352 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:46.079 then they should, well. 353 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.440 I have this judge has some courage and if he does. 354 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:52.680 He should get a Profile and Courage award from the 355 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:57.359 from the Kennedy Library, although he probably won't, it'll be interesting. 356 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:01.720 I don't know that the court system in Idaho. I 357 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:04.200 have some friends in that hole, so I have a 358 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:07.119 little knowledge of the state. But they've just had these 359 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.160 horrible incidents. This incident and the one over the weekend 360 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.960 with a guy set a fire so that firefighters will 361 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:14.279 come up. 362 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:18.559 And my son's a firefighter in devl A, you know, 363 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:23.480 so it's really upsetting that he could be ambushed going 364 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:28.000 to a call, you know, to save people's lives. That 365 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:31.920 I totally agree with you. I think that the judges 366 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:35.519 stick up and say, now we're not going to allow 367 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:39.319 a plea deal. And as I said previously, I'm not 368 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:43.480 a proponent of the death penalty, but in this case 369 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:44.480 I am. 370 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.119 Well, I'm with you. I'm with you, Heidi. I hope 371 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.880 you continue to call my program. I need your voice 372 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:51.319 as well. 373 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:54.000 And thank you so much for taking my call. 374 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:56.440 Well, thank you for calling in, and also thank you 375 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.599 for having five children, one of whom is a firefighter. 376 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:02.400 A great public servant, those are the real you know, 377 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.720 when the politicians call themselves public servants, I laugh at that. 378 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:09.119 The real public servants of the firefighters, police officers, and 379 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:13.000 EMTs uh and those who put themselves in Yeah, the 380 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:15.559 wod guys danger you got it. The good guys and 381 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.720 the good gals too. Thank you, Heidi, appreciate you all 382 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:21.759 have a great name. Thank you, good welcome, by good night, 383 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:25.480 by bye. Okay, let's keep rolling here. And as they say, 384 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:27.799 one line at six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, 385 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:30.440 and we got one at six one seven, nine three 386 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.240 one ten thirty. Let me go back to the calls, 387 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:36.559 and we're going to bring Matt in Franklin, Massachusetts up. Matt, 388 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:39.720 welcome to Night's side. Neither the second caller from Franklin Tonight, 389 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:40.599 Matt going ahead. 390 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.640 Yeah. I personally think this is more like a financial 391 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.400 decision for the state of Idaho than more than anything else. 392 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:50.759 I mean, there's not like a state that has a 393 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:52.599 lot of money for those state and local government, and 394 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:56.039 this trial's gonna cost millions of dollars and be like 395 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.359 a show, and they seem to like just want to 396 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:03.160 avoid and get over number. Hopefully the judge tosses out 397 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:05.440 now you hope. 398 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.759 I don't know if judges in different states for judges. 399 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:12.039 It's different. So in some states judges are appointed by 400 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:14.799 the governor, as they are here in Massachusetts. In some 401 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.519