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for you live listeners. January twenty four, twenty twenty six,

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and we have joining us from the Puncturists.

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Speaker 1: Let me get that volume up here.

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Speaker 2: We've got Dale Farrow, who is the the bass player

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Speaker 1: Hello, Dale, Hi, Matt, can you hear me? Okay? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: You sound great? Yeah, absolutely, welcome, Welcome to the show.

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I'm excited to talk to you. By the way, you

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know you are a fellow bass player, so I was

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like talking to another bass player and I love I

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love the album. I'm not all right, thank you? Yeah,

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really really good. I listened to the whole thing. That's

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that's probably my favorite track, which is why I chose

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it to open the segment. But yeah, great, great stuff.

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Now where are you from, Dale? Where's the band from?

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Speaker 3: We're based in northern England. Pat and Gale Pats, the

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guitarist Gales a singer, live in a place called Barnsley,

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which is just south of Leeds in West Yorkshire. I

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live in East Yorkshire and the drummer Martin lives on

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the east coast a place called Grimsby. We're all sort

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Speaker 2: Really so you're a little bit scattered, but not too much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, poor old Martin as a longer drive

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to rehearsal than the rest of us. But yeah, but yeah, yeah,

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we're not all in one town or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, gotcha, gotcha.

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Speaker 2: Now, The Puncturists has been around, what does it since

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think yes, it's just sort of post COVID. The

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Pat was previously in a ban call System of Hate

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formed The Puncturists, and the drummer, Karl was also the singer,

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but he left and Pat persuaded Gail to come in

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and sing as lead singer. And this was the first

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band she'd ever played in and never sang with, so

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that was quite quite something for her. And I joined

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where I mean now, I joined in twenty three on

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the bass, and Martin joined us nearly two years ago,

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so we in the current format, we've been going nearly

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Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, So it sounds like there's been some

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some lineup changes over the you know, over a relatively

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short period of time. Like I said, of the bands

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sounds like it took a while for this current lineup

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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have to settling and everyone sort of gets to know

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what's what. But we we had issues. We were a

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little bit spinal tapped with drummers for a while. Not

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drum stool now, so, and like I say, we've been

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nearly two years we've been in this format, and the

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album that you've got there, I'm not all right, is

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the the sort of the the outcome of our first

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: We're we're all very proud of it as well.

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curious because this is a subject that comes up a

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lot on the show, at least with the guests that

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we have here in America. It seems like, I don't

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the conversation with your parents about, well, I think I

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want to play drums, you know that, and maybe the

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tuba or the two that they're going to try to

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talk you out of because they don't want all that

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noise in their house. But I mean, is that is

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that a challenge there too. Is it hard to find

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slightly loose to one to do it. And I think,

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person at the right time because, like you say, so

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also play in you know, X y z B, and

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back from a break from drumming. He played for a

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long time. He's very experienced drummer, but hadn't actually played

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was going to give it one more go. He'd previously

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been playing oddly in a discos covers band, you know,

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like a party band, and the clips that he sent

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us were stuff, you know, sort of from that band,

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but actually the skills and chopsy you need to play

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that sort of stuff, you know, you know, are quite something.

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as soon as I saw what he'd sent us stuff

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on YouTube, I said to Pat, We've got to get

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this guy and have a you know, get him in

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and have a proper rehearsal with him. See how we

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get on and we click straight away, and he, you know,

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he's he That wasn't his type of music he's in.

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punky type background, even though he hadn't played in a

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band like hours before or not for Donkeys years. But

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our ears and eyes on the drummer at all times.

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not trying to sound like you know that with the backbone.

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Speaker 1: But we are we are bass players are tarists and singers.

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Speaker 3: You know, we'd be lost without us. But but yeah,

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it's nice to actually be on stage without having to

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worry about what's going on behind me, and he enables,

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a gig and you know, feel confident that everything's going

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to be okay, whereas occasionally before that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 2: Right right now, I'm not alright. The album on dad

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Swan Records, which is is this a label that the

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puncturists created specifically for other puncturists, Dad Swine Records, It.

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Speaker 3: Is, yes, Yeah, it's not the first. We got a

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few releases. We've got a live album and that was

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about fifteen months ago, which is called Fox. There's a

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newt which was recorded a pub in Leeds called The

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Fox and Newt. And there's also an EP with about

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six or seven songs which the original lineup did. So

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that we still do, although differently. But so, yeah, there's

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bang camp, they can, but yeah, that's our that's our label.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Now the songs that you did before a

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Speaker 3: Or mostly but there's there are a couple that we do,

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and she's put her own stamp on them.

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the album because it's as a musician.

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Speaker 1: It's very relatable.

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Speaker 2: They don't pay support bands, which I absolutely love that song,

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a lot of these songs. Is that something you do

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makes you chuckle or makes you think, oh, I wasn't

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expecting that, you know then, And I think that's one

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not fun not laughs, but you know, we want to

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of our way to make things sort of comedic, ye,

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but there's no harm in there being a little bit

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of humor and a little bit of a rhinous to it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I like to use the sex Pistols and

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as an example of doing that really well, you know, like,

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you know, here's this band who you know, they weren't

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necessarily trying to be funny, but you listen to a

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song like God Save the Queen and you can't help

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but laugh.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, well, yeah, because there are

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there are you know two there are more than one

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meaning to elements of the lyrics in that, so that, yeah,

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it makes it memorable because at.

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Speaker 1: That right right exactly exactly.

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Speaker 3: So you're taking you're taking that well known phrase God

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Save the Queen and or giving it a twist mm hm.

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And you know that that's always a good thing because

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somebody's already come up with that idea and it's already

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in people's heads, right if you're then using it yourself

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or you're doing like everybody's on drugs, you know, that's

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something that when you all automatically think about it, well

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everybody's on drugs, must mean everyone's on illegal drugs and

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they're shooting up. Well that where it actually means is

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people are living a life where just to keep them

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going there that you know, they're being supported by what

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they're getting from their doctors or what they're getting over

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the counter of the chemist or it could be you

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know as well as you know what they're getting from

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their dealers on the corner. So there's more to the

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one phrase than just the one element.

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Speaker 2: Right right, absolutely, And then so what's the touring situation,

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Like you guys playing a lot of shows.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, we're not we're currently on a bit

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of a break gale. Just before Christmas underwent a knee

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replacement operation, so she's currently just get sort of starting

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to properly get out on the feet again. So we

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took we're taking some time out and we don't start

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gigging again until April, but we need she needs to,

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you know, make sure that she gets sort of fitting

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well and is able to bounce around on stage again

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like a good'n so that in that time we are

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sort of writing some new songs. We will be starting

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to rehearse those sort of in the next month or so.

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start to gig earlier than that. But we've got quite

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a good calendar of you know, diary for the year.

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 3: We're playing the thirtieth anniversary Rebellion Festival in Blackpool, which

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is the big punk festival in the UK. Wow, there's

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an awful there's a lot of sort of bands. They've

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got a lot of bands from the States coming over there.

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world coming to that. That is a big, big festival.

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That's over three four days in August. We've got a

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festival in Scotland in May called Punk on the Peninsula,

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which is just outside Glasgow, and we've got, you know,

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a nice healthy sort of diary of gigs once we

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do start going again, and we hope during all that

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we will get a good another selection of songs that

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we will have another album maybe before the end of

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the year. You never know, depends on I mean, we

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don't know. A lot of them haven't been road tested yet,

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and sure what we think might work. When you then

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play them in front of people, they're sitting there scratching

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their heads and what's going on all they go absolutely

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bonkers and love it so right right, Yeah, you have

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to you know, you have to you know, trust the

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audience and see what's gonna what's gonna work.

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Speaker 2: It's great too that you're doing festivals because you know,

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this comes up a lot on the show. I really

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think that's that's the most valuable thing you can do

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in terms of playing live, because you know, festivals not

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only do you get do you get exposed to an

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audience that might not otherwise see you, but also the

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you know, backstage, just the connections that you can make

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in terms of meeting other industry people, whether it's just

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other bands or or or people who you know, you really,

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I mean, the networking opportunity that comes with playing a

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festival is unparalleled, you know what I mean. So that's great, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Very much so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And not only do you make sort of connections that

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are good for the band, you also you know, you

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do make good friends from these because you know, you're

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all in it together. Yeah, And you you realize is

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that you know, lots and lots of people are you know,

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they're all good people, and you've sort of got a

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lot of shared experience and you will automatically get on

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with a lot of people, right, which is very you know,

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which is which is a nice part of doing this

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sort of thing, whereas you know, it's it's not just

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turn up, play, pack up, go. You know, you're turning

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up meeting people that you have a good time with

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and they're but the festival's definitely the big festivals like

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Rebellion are very good for bands like ourselves for the

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exposure you might be sort of playing the rest of

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the year to you know, much much smaller venues, much

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much smaller crowds, but you're suddenly playing in front of

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ten twenty times the amount of people you normally would,

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and yet you know that can't be bad.

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Speaker 1: No, not at all, not at all.

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Speaker 2: So I have saved the Sometimes I go for the

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most obvious question right up front, but I kind of

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saved at this time. The name the Puncturists. Where does

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that come from? What is the meaning of the name.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how they came up with it, because

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they got the back the name before I actually started,

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but the Puncturists. The first EP that I mentioned earlier

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was actually called the punk Tourists. So, you know, so

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the punk tourists or puncturists. You know, I'm not sure

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which came first, punk tourists or puncturists, and they decided

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to to to put you know, decided to use that,

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but puncturists and also something where you're sort of going

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along and you're sort of puncturing people's you know, ideas,

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you know, coming along and sort of jabbing your needle

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into their balloon.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those names that's got lots of potential meanings,

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have different meanings for different people, but it's also quite

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memorable and you know it's quite you know, that's a

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nice name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One of the hardest I mean you said you've been

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in bands. One of the hardest things being in a

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band when you first start is what do you call yourself?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you'll come up and there'll be some absolutely

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terrible things that people come up with, and and you think, oh,

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that's a good idea until you see it either written

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down or someone else says it, and you think, nah,

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that ain't gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Well, not only that, the other challenge is finding something

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that that somebody isn't already using.

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Speaker 1: You know, yes, and you don't.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to find yourself in a position where

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you know, you establish a name and you're you know,

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you're you're doing it, and you're you're getting somewhere with it,

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and then all of a sudden you find out, you know,

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somebody else already has the name.

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Speaker 1: I've I've told this story on the show.

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Speaker 2: I have a friend, Uh the friend some people will

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know him, but I'll leave I'll leave his name out

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of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to embarrass him.

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Speaker 2: But years ago, uh, this individual wasn't a band called

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I ran into him after not seeing him for a while,

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and he told me about a new band that he

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was in called Intuition. And he said the name to me,

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and I'm thinking, oh, my god, Intuition, how many other

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bands are already using or have used that name? And

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then swear to God true story. I ran into him again,

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like a month later or two months later, and I

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asked him, you know, how's the band and he said, oh, good,

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but we had to change our name. We got to

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see some assist letter from a band already using the

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name Intuition, and I was like, oh, that's too bad.

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And you know, but in my mind, you know, and

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I'm too polite to say it, but in my mind,

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I'm thinking, well, yeah, of course you did. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's like the first bands I was in

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when we were at school. We were sort of like

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really enthusiastic sixteen year olds and we said, right, we're

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going to call ourselves reflex and like the one hundred

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thousand other bands called Reflekes.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, but you don't know that.

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Speaker 3: When you know, you the enthusiasm takes over and you

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think it's a good idea. Oh yeah, I don't think

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there's any other puncturists.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, there you go. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For a second there, I was worried you are going

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to tell me I was saying it wrong and that

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it actually is punk tourists and I've been pronouncing it

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wrong this whole time.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh, say it however you like.

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But no, puncturists is how we how we say it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I've been learning a lot, uh, you know,

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talking to people from from your part of the world.

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You know, we have we have a lot of guests

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from there on the show, and I love the music

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that comes out of there. But I just learned I

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just learned yesterday from a friend of mine who's British.

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Speaker 1: You know, pants that.

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Speaker 2: I guess over there, Like if you want to express

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this approval for something but you don't want to swear,

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you say pants.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? Or if she's just messing with me,

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you can no, no, you can do.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's complete. Usually it's when something is complete pants,

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so that you complete rubbish or garbage or whatever. Oh,

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that's that's that's total pants.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, pants, Pants to us aren't trousers. Pants are

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the underwear.

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Speaker 1: So oh okay, right, right, Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so so it's yeah, it's like and I mean

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people also say nickers in in the in the UK,

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which again is another word for underwear that I've heard

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that pants. Yeah, something's a bit pants. It's not a

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very strong. It's something that's a little bit not very good.

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If it was really bad, then it would be worse

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than pants. There's just a little bit rubbish. She's a

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bit patterned.

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Speaker 1: I've been learning a lot. Yeah, uh, now this is great. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the first hour, we had a guest. Uh see,

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now I'm gonna say his name wrong. Uh, Ca Hall fits.

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It's an Irish name, and I and I but I

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had to look up how to say it. And then

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he told me I was saying it correctly, although he

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might have just been being nice, but you know, because

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it's c A T H A L and you know,

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and I'm of Irish descent so I should know, but

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I didn't know. And he said I was saying it right.

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That I guess the tea is silent and it's Ca Hall.

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But you know, being a being a dude from America,

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you know, I'm learning a lot. Yeah, but so what

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so Gail, so Gail's obviously out of commission temporarily, but

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you said April you're going to get back to playing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, we're first one needs towards the end

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of April. Then we're sort of failing NonStop to the

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end of the year. But like I say, if if

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Gail sort of stuff to feel a little bit more

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able to sort of stand for, you know, while we

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might fix something else in before then so we may

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be end of March, but you know, we've got to

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make sure that she gets properly better. I mean, it's

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having a knee replacement, isn't isn't a small operation?

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Speaker 1: So no, no, jeez, I can imagine. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Dale, So where's the best place for people

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to go to keep up with everything that the puncture is,

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everything that you're doing and as far as getting your

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music and everything you know, you did mention band camp

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and and uh, by the way, I encourage I love

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band camp because that's what a lot of people don't

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realize about band camp is if you get if you

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get your music from there, you're getting a higher quality file.

475
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Then say, if you're just streaming it on YouTube or

476
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you know, and in some cases even Spotify, Like with

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band Camp, you're getting really the highest quality file you

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can get.

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Speaker 3: It's the it is the best quality that you can

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get from a sort of a a streaming all down

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load service. Yeah, because you sort of tend to you

482
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upload sort of WAB files and things like that, where

483
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as you get a more compressed, smaller file on a

484
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lot of other services, and that you know, it's it

485
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just is that little bit better. But actually to find

486
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us sort of keeping up with sort of the new,

487
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I mean, there is a we do have a website,

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and I shall have to make sure it's I'll tell

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you the right address for that in a minute. But

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but yeah, I mean on Facebook is where you mostly

491
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find our sort of up to date and where things

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are changing and happening and what's going on. Yeah, website

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is w w W puncturists dot com. Not to the puncturists,

494
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so it's just puncturists dot com and yeah Facebook, if

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you look at look for the Puncturists, you'll find us.

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Band Camp were dead on records, and you can find

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us streaming. We are on Spotify and Apple Music and

498
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all those sorts of things YouTube music and that. So

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it's just so you know, people can find us all

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over the place whatever they particularly use nowadays, and of

501
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course with on bank camp you can find our you

502
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can order the hard copies of things. So we do

503
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have CDs and whenever we gig then we have a

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merch store where you can buy CDs, t shirts and

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all sorts of little bits of paraphernalia.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, absolutely, And the website's good too. I'm

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a website nerd and I do like the website puncturists

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dot com. I see, I see a lot of bad websites,

509
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but this is a good, good site. It's well organized,

510
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the layouts nice. Yeah, that's it's It's so important. I

511
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don't think people, not everyone realize how important it is

512
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to have a really you know, easy to have gate

513
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you know, visually attractive but not overwhelming website. You know,

514
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there's a lot of nuance to it. But no, this

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is a this is a good site. So puncturists dot com, yep, Dale,

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this has been wonderful. I really appreciate you joining us,

517
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and you know, we'll certainly have you back on as

518
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you release new music. It sounds like you've got some

519
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new stuff coming. Yeah, in a moment, we're gonna end

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the conversation with this track. This is my one of

521
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my favorites from the album They Don't Pay Support Bands.

522
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I love this song. Anything we should know about it

523
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before we play it, I mean we kind of touched

524
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on it already. But maybe it's self explanatory, I don't know.

525
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But anything we should know about this song, I don't

526
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know if maybe it's maybe it relates to a specific

527
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experience that you had as a band, or.

528
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Speaker 3: It's well it's not one specific experience, but all of

529
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the different elements that you can hear that where have

530
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all happened in one place or another. We know where

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it talks about. You know, the support band has to

532
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sort of turn up hurts, you know, hours before the event,

533
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provide the back line, and you know, the main band

534
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are sort of sort of stroll into town. They're getting paid,

535
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you know, silly amount of money, and the drummer says,

536
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and I haven't got me kick, can I use yours?

537
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And yeah, all that sort of thing, you know, And

538
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then you know others where you've got promoters who will

539
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sort of put you on that right, you've got to

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be here and you've got to be off in two seconds,

541
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you know, otherwise the you know you won't you know,

542
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,400
never see you ever again. I'll make sure you never

543
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work in this town sort of thing, you know. You know,

544
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it's just, you know, we're fortunate now that a lot

545
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of the places we play, the promoters are actually sort

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of considerate and they know that the effort that people

547
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go to and they do look after you. I mean,

548
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we don't you know, massive amounts of money from it

549
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or anything like that. You don't. Yeah, we don't expect too.

550
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If you are the support band, however, support bands who

551
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get looked half, I'm more likely to say that was

552
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a good experience. You know, if you get the chance

553
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to play for this particular promoter or that particular venue,

554
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then do it. Likewise, if you have a really bad experience,

555
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that gets around very quickly to bands, and you'll have

556
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places wondering why they can't attract bands, right, well, we

557
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know why they can't. Then here's a song all about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly, So we'll hit that track in a moment,

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So we'll let you go. Dale Pharaoh from the Puncturists,

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thank you so much for joining us today, and I

561
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look forward to hearing new music from you and and

562
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we'll talk again in the future for sure.

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Speaker 3: So thank you so much, Thank you, Matt. It's lovely

564
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to chat speak to you again. Seeing hey bye sounds,

565
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:45,039
good bye bye all right.

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Speaker 2: That is Dale Pharaoh, bass player from the band The Puncturists, And.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great track.

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Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of a lot of people

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in the music industry and a lot of bands, a

570
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lot of and soul artists too, listen to the show.

571
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I'm well aware of what our sort of core audience

572
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is with this program, so this will be highly relatable

573
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,079
for many of you. But this is such a great song.

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This is called they don't pay support bands, and the

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band is The Puncturists.