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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. No, here is your host, DJ leaves. Well,

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it has finally arrived. No, not just Christmas Orhanika or

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festiv Us for the rest of us, but the heavyweight

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title rematch. We can't call it the undisputed. Rayfield wants

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me to say, lineal millennial heavyweight title rematch Alexander Usik

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Tyson Fury about to happen. We're ready to preview that.

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The entire card actually from Riad's season, some fight news,

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some nostalgia, and much more. It is the Big Fight

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Weekend preview. I am the somewhat capable host, TJ Reeves,

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He's our insider. Hello, Dan Rayfield from his fight preaching

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to night, substack and the newsletter. We're about to see

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this again, and I think we are amped up on.

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Is it gonna be any different this time? How we feeling,

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first of all ready to get it all under way

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here in a moment.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for the fight. Like I said, think, if

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you're a diehard boxing fan, how could you not be

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excited for not only the steaks at hand, with the

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heavyweight championship, most of the belts, lineage rematch of a

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great first fight.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deal, a lot of history behind it,

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and we saw these two guys in the summer, and hey,

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we didn't have to wait a year, much less two

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to get it right back in the ring. Money talks,

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and they're going to make a bunch of it. By

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recaps coming off the weekend. We still got to get

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to fight of the year, knock out of the year,

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fight term, maybe of the year, upset of the year.

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We'll do that later on in the final few episodes

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of this year. But we're almost done. We're almost done anyway,

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So as we release this is Thursday night into Friday,

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it is already middle of the night Saudi Arabia time.

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So we're on to like the day before the fight,

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as you're hearing this, and here we go with what

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was an entertaining fight won by Alexander Usik the first

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go around this summer, had Fury in serious trouble in

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the ninth round of the fight, ends up winning the decision.

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And now we're going to do part two. I always

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like to ask you this whenever it's coming back around.

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What do you foresee as different? What would make it different?

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If Fury's gonna get his revenge? What are you angling for?

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What are you looking for as we head to Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Listen, these are older fighters. They've both been through big

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time events. They've both been at the top against lots

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of you know, a lot of big, big, big, high

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profile type fights, and this fight is coming what seven

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months They fought May eighteenth. In the first fight, it

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was obviously, as you mentioned, it was a very close fighting,

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split decision. Fury would have had a draw had he

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not suffered the knock down in round nine, so they

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were on even terms, even though you know, it seemed

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pretty clear that he was sick, you know, finished pretty

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strong in the fight. So what is going to be different?

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I don't know if there's gonna be a lot different.

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I just don't see one guy that's thirty six and

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one guy that's thirty eight gonna do anything that's going

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to be dramatically different. That's not to say they can't.

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their trainers and their teams, found a couple of things

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to maybe refine or tweak or what have you. But

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to think there's a wholestyale change coming for either guy,

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it's not happening.

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Speaker 1: Let me put one on a te and let you

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hit it five hundred feet like Aaron Judge. You have

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told the story on more than one occasion that you

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were on scene ol on location for the rematch with

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Deontay Wilder, which we'll talk a little more about in

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the context of heavyweight title rematches, and Tyson Fury proclaimed

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to all of you, he was proclaiming to anybody in

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Vegas that would listen, like the hobos on the strip,

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the show girls, anybody, that he was going to change

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his approach and go right at Tyson or go right

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at Deontay Wilder. And you have said to us, no,

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you didn't believe him. A lot of people say he's

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full of crap, he's telling us that, but he did

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change so elaborate on that. Yeah, he did, And then

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Deontay Wilder and alexand Ruster are such dramatically different fighters. Obviously,

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out Deontay Wilder, you you can do it if you're

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extremely careful about his right hand. The right hand was

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one of the greatest one of the repens in boxing history,

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but that was basically all that Deontay Wilder had. So

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as long as Tyson Fury could confidently stay away from

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the right hand, you know, or at least you know,

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the the massive one. I mean, get hit with it, fine,

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but you can't take even a one that's making, you know,

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sixty percent without suffering some type of damage. He was

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able to do that. Alexander Us is not that kind

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of puncher, obviously, but he has so many more wrinkles

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game that you can't just look for one thing. So,

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walk to usk and try to get him. He might,

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but Usik is a good enough fighter in terms of

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the way he moves to to not get involved with

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that game. Now that all said, Tyson Fury, during the

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course of the we lead up to this fight, has

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said many times to those in the media, on the

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on the podium, whatever you want to talk about, I'm

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going and I'm knocking out now. He always says that.

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has typically not said virtually anything the entire promotion. He

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didn't say much the last time around. You know, he

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probably has said less over the course of his career

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than certain fighters may have said in one big promotion.

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Speaker 1: So especially especially Fury.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so it's like, you don't, you don't really you know,

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he just don't. You can't get anything from Usik almost ever,

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whether it's this magnet to a fighter, even like go

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to the smaller fights. I mean, I covered some of

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his cruiserweight Championship fights over here in the United States.

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and a funny guy, not one to talk much, you know,

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reporter that's not willing to talk to a fighter and

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have somebody translate. And his English is good enough where

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he understands what you're saying. He can speak to you

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in some English also, it's you know, kind of that

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triple G kind of like English where you can make

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him out what he's saying. It's not maybe super in depth,

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but it's good enough. And I always appreciate any fighter

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that English is not their first language. It even makes

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the attempt to speak to a media person in there

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in English, so you know, he just doesn't give you anything.

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in this particular fight lead up, he's been pretty quiet.

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really super focused on this fight now, whether you believe

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him or not. He has said that he hasn't spoken

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to his wife or kids for three months. Seems a

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bit excessive. I get your focus on the fight, but

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multitude of children for three months is But that's his prerogative.

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his entire career he's never entered a fight coming off

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of a loss, correct, And so that is a big deal,

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and not only a loss, but a loss where he

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was at times physically manhandled by a smaller guy. So

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the one thing and we'll find out at the weigh

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in that people have brought up and has been a

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topic of discussion, as Tyson Fury may and he suggested this,

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we'll see if it plays out that similar to what

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he did when he fought Deontay Wilder in the second fight,

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he purposely added a little bit of bulk. He came

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in about ten to twelve pounds thirteen pounds or so

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heavier in their rematch than he did in the first fight.

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He fought it to weight that he fought at their rematch,

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not to fight weight from the first fight. So he

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may want to be a little heavier to maybe add

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some power, a little better punch resistance because he was

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so shaky there in the way going in the fight

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the first time around. So that will know what we

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see them at the weigh in. But to make it

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a long story, shure, I just don't see there being

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dramatic differences. These guys are gonna do what these guys do. Now.

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out maybe? Uh, you know, Alexander Usak, he's a master boxer,

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but he also can stand and fight if necessary. And

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by the way, just because Fury uh got you know,

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the knockdown scored against him and USA got to win,

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it doesn't mean that Usik didn't take some heavy shots.

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I mean they were both pretty dinged up and you know,

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pretty bruised up and uh, you know, definitely feeling the

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pain in that fight. It's seven months later, we'll see.

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you know, who's uh, who's who's got a little more

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spring in their step? And I just don't know. I

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will say this, whatever happens in the fight on Saturday,

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it is my belief that both of these guys as

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as great a fighters as they have been. Uh, they're

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on the back side. I mean they're they're in the

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back nine. You know, they're they're coming to the clubhouse

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pretty soon. This there. Their careers are not going on

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for a long time after this, at least not at

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the top level in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: And again we'll handicap it more. First mention of the

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bet US Boxing Show. I don't know what ray Feel's

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going to take. He doesn't know what I'm going to take.

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the bet US platforms including YouTube on Friday afternoon. One

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more about this. Obviously, Usik won a rematch with Anthony Joshua.

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That fight was about a year later, correct in the

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chronology from when the eleven months a year something like

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that back in what twenty twenty two, right that they thought.

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Joshua was in September of twenty one, September second the

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second fight was August of twenty two, so it was eleven.

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Speaker 1: Eleven months, eleven months in between. But he clearly was

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able to handle the second goal around with Anthony Joshua.

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But that's second adjustments.

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Speaker 2: But one thing that one thing about the second fight

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between Usik and Joshua. Yes, Usik was the clear winner

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of both fights, but Anthony Joshua fought way way better

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in the second fight and it turned out to be

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a split decision. Now I don't know that. I thought. Look,

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when he went into the second fight, Anthony hired Robert

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Garcia to be his trainer, and then he fired him

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after that fight, and I never understood why, because obviously

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I'm not there in the camp. But it felt to

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me like he did far superior in the rematch under

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Robert's guidance than he did in the first fight, and

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it felt like they could maybe build on something. But

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you know, that's up to the fighter to make the decision.

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But so he learned and did much better against Alexander

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Usik in the rematch. Fury doesn't have to do that

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much better to get a win. He's just got to

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stay on his feet basically, and they win one more

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round and he can win the fight. So this is

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you know, the odds are close. I mean, Husik is

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this slight favorite, but it's a you know, this is

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one of those fights where whatever the odds say, well,

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like I said, you will talk about on the US show.

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But anybody that thinks this is a route or a

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blow out one way or the other, you know, I

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guess that could happen. But I think realistically, going into

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the fight. You know who knows. I mean. And listen,

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here's the other thing about it. DJ. You know, in boxing,

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if Fury is the winner and it's one and one,

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you got to figure they're going to go for a

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Chelasy fight. You know, Turkey's gonna want to see that again,

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the fans are gonna want to see, but most notably,

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he'll probably be willing to pay for it. And that's

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our thing about this. Once, once this is over, whether

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it's two fights or three fights, I mean, just in

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the time they fought each other, these guys will have

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made nine figures. Forget about all the major mega paydays

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they career.

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Speaker 1: The reports that I've seen is they are both guaranteed

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guaranteed over fifty million, and we'll each and we'll probably

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make north of that, significantly north of that, depending on

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the pay per view in the UK and Europe especially. Look,

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and we understand we've talked about this before. Just one

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quick aside. It is a massive, massive college football and

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NFL day on Saturday, and this fight is in the

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late afternoon US time, So that's gonna hurt it from

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that standpoint anyway. In America, Right in America, they're not

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Americans to begin with. So I get that for the

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sports fan in this country that might tune in for

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a heavyweight title fight had not the football may be

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going on, They're probably not going to get some of that.

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But that doesn't mean that in Europe, in Saudi Arabia,

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in the UK, et cetera, that this isn't significance. And

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for what we do, this is mass significance. This is

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massive significance. Is the heavyweight championship of the world. These

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are the guys.

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Speaker 2: But I'm here. Here's the thing. In the United States.

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Other than for people like you, me and the diehards,

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this fight is not even on the map, right it is.

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I mean, and I don't like to say this because

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I mean I can't wait to watch the fight and

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all that, but it's really almost irrelevant. It's not being

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covered in mainstream press, right. It's not on Sports Center.

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I did get, you know, I did. This was kind

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of surprising. I was kind of happy. I did do

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a radio interview on Wednesday night on Houston Sports Radio

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where they wanted to talk about the fight.

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, But the thing is, when there's major fights,

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I always get calls from different radio stations around the

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country to do hits on whatever the big fight is.

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So I was a little I was pleasantly surprised that

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they cared enough about this particular fight to do that.

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But that's the only one. Now when Wilder in Fury

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we're fighting in Las Vegas. Of course in the second fight,

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you know, or even in the first fight in La

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I was getting tons of those types of calls. So

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it just shows you that here in America it's not relevant.

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And also here's another factor. The fight is only available

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on his own pay per view. It's not on ESPN

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plus pay per view like the previous fight, and which

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is surprising because Fury is co promoted by Top Rank

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and that's their platform. It is not available on the

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fight app or you know now troller TV as a

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pay per view. It is not available on you know,

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in demand on your regular dot com and there pp

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dot com is their digital arm. And then the you know,

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regular television like on your linear TV where you just

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go on your pay per view channel and can buy

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the fight. So the amount of places that you can

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buy it is phenomenally limited. Of people that have the

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zonne or that know about the zone is minuscule. In

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this country, So in America. In America, I'm not talking

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about the world. In America, the fight almost nobody knows

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or cares.

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Speaker 1: So to your point, we are traveling. We are traveling

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as the Tampa Bay Buccaneer travel Party Sauday afternoon to Dallas.

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I have two colleagues in Dallas sports media that are

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going to meet up with me and several other guys.

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And I said to one of them, with the places

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we're looking at, will one of these places maybe have

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the heavyweight title fight? Reply, there's a heavyweight title fight

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this weekend, exactly point. And I checked with the other

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one this morning and said, just out of curiosity, are

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you aware of a big boxing match this weekend? He

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has answered no. So that just tells you. And these

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are sports media. Here's here's the about it.

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Speaker 2: The silver lining is this, if you do want to

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watch the fight, Turkey and the folks that make the

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price of this event, it's a very reasonably priced pay

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per when you compare it to most of the other

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pay per views we see. It's thirty nine to ninety nine,

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which is a big difference than eighty or ninety. That's

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the first thing. The second thing is for most of

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the pay per view events that dizone carries, you have

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to subscribe to the zone and then you have to

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buy the pay per view. In this particular case, and

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I can't speak for other countries, but I know in

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the United States you don't have to subscribe to the

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zone to buy the fight. You can go on the

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di zone website the one off. Okay, well hold on,

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It's not quite as easy as like a PPV dot com.

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You got to put in your information and you get

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a seven day free trial that you have to then

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cancel if you choose to do that, or you can

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get de zone and watch for a month. But here

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you can buy it without having a subscription that you

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pay for.

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Speaker 1: And here's what I don't know in all of this.

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If you're a dizone subscriber, are you getting a discounted

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pay per view? Because we'll see to me, they didn't

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ask me. They didn't ask us. That is an insult

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to the people that have been paying you all year

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long that you don't get at least a little disc count.

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I'm not saying that you have to get the thing

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for nine to ninety five, but if I've been paying

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you all year. Shouldn't I get a little bit of

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a discount off of this ten percent, twenty percent off

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of this because I've been good to you. That is

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a moronic business plan to keep customers. Because once I

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find out that I can buy a pay per view

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without having to subscribe to you what you're offering to

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other people? Why why am I continuing to subscribe, especially

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in the lean months months?

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Speaker 2: But there's not fight describing is because you're junking. You

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want to watch Regis Prograde against Jack? I get it.

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Are you gonna watch Bam Rodriguez and a drawn in

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his doubleheader and those types of fights? So I get

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it from both sides. But anyway, I'm just pointing out that, Okay,

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if you want to find the fight, you at least

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can do it without having had too much trouble to

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do so, and the.

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Speaker 1: Fight fans know where to find it. You're pointing that out,

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all right? So plenty more on the history of the

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rematch in a few moments. But there is an undercard

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I would We're not gonna lie. We tell the truth here.

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This is not a spectacularundercard. This is certainly nowhere near

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what February is going to be obviously, I think.

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Speaker 2: It's fair to say TJ that of the nine or

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ten or so read season events that have happened thus

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far or that are in the planning stages, it's a

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great main event. We can't deny that. And it's not

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like it's a horrible undercard or anything like that, but

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it is, you know, being honest, it's it's the weakest

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of the undercards that they've had. There's not even another

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world title fight on the card, where in other shows

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they've had, like you know, the one and the one

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that's coming up in February is gonna have what six

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or seven world title fights racked. And that's unfortunately because

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the co feature was supposed to be Bowatchuck against Madrimov,

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who both were in great, you know, competitive fights in

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one hundred and fifty four pound world title bouts in

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their previous fights, whereas Bohachuk lost the very close interim

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title fight against Virgil Ortiz in in August, tremendous bat battle,

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you know, obviously a candidate for fight of the year,

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and Madiamov lost his title in a close call, not

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a great fight, but a very competitive and close fight

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against Terrence Crawford also in August, and so I thought

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it was terrific that they're going to take these two

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guys who are similar styles and both excellent fighters and

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coming off fighting top guys and losing and not being discarded,

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and they mashed them together. Unfortunately, mage them off with

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Droop in the fight, claiming that there was bronchitis that

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was gonna keeping out for a bit, couldn't train, so

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they they kept bow Chuck on the card. So that's

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a good thing. But they matched him up with Ishmael Davis,

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who took this fight on like what two and a

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half three weeks. Notice, you know, he's not a guy

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that's a well known fighter. He's thirteen to one with

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six knockouts. He's a UK fighter coming off of a

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loss to Josh Kelly. Not a lot. If you take

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a look at the record to speak of, there's like

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literally not a single fight on it. I'm looking at

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his record right now as we're talking here. You know,

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his big win quote unquote big win was he has

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a decision win over Troy Williamson, who's another British fighter.

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It's not like a terrible victory, but it's that's now

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the co feature, and so you know, on a typical

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Reann season card, if that was going to be on

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the show, even as a late replacement, it'd be like

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four or five six fights down the cart. Now the card,

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the fight that on the undercard that does interest me

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is the heavyweight fight between Moses E. Tama. Yeah, the

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big British, undefeated southpaw who's only nineteen years old, who

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is one of the best heavyweight prospects or prospects period

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in boxing, big puncher ten and zero eight knockouts, coming

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off a win against the older, faded but experienced a

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former title challenger Marius Wak who we stopped in the

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second round. That's more of a win. That's maybe in

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the name only because Walk was pretty well passed his

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best days back when they fought each other in July.

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But his opponent for this fight, I think is definitely

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a step up by far step up compared to the

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types of opponents he's faced. He's fighting an Australian fighter

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named Demsey McKeen, who's twenty two to one with fourteen knockouts,

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who's a massive mountain of a man. If you will

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a six foot six southpaw, you know, two hundred and

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fifty ish pounds, just a big, strong guy and his

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only loss was a pretty tough fight where he lost

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and he got stopped in around twelve by Philip Perkovich,

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who went on to you know, be in the interim

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title fight and who was an undefeated guy, Olympian, et cetera.

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And so this is a quantum step up, it seems

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to me for Atama, because I'm not saying McKean is

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like a superstar, top level contender, but he's no bump

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based on what I have.

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Speaker 1: Seen and in the recesses of my brain. Hasn't McKean

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in the past been a sparring partner of Tyson Furies.

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I think one point he was, so he's better known

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in Australia. But this is interesting. This is an interesting

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step up, and the heavyweights, the heavyweights were interested in.

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They're trying to groom a Tama to take a step

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or two and be relevant a year and a half,

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two years from now, something like that. If that's case.

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Anything else on the on the undercard here besides those two, well, one.

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Speaker 2: Of the one of the fights that was on the

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undercard was supposed to be the fight between the twenty

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twenty is a junior featherweight. Junior junior featherweights between the

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twenty twenty British Olympian Peter mcgrail, who was you know,

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it was a hyped up prospect. He suffered an upset loss,

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but he's come back and they were matching him up

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with Dennis Can who was an undefeated fighter, the European

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champion that weight class, and now that loom does like

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a pretty interesting fight, I mean, especially for the Brits anyway.

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But McCann came back with a positive VADA test, you know,

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back several days ago, and I actually get Frank Warren

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who made a comment that he didn't just test positive

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for one substance, but it was multiple substances. They had

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not identified what those substances were, but nonetheless he would

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dropped from the fight, and so on short notice, they

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brought in a replacement, a fighter named Rice Edwards who

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was sixteen to zero with four knockouts, so they got

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him still on the card against a still undefeated opponent,

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but obviously not the level of opponent of a McCann,

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not the stakes of a McCann fight, So that was

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kind of a disappointment. But that at least McCann, at

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least mcgrel still gets to stay on the show, so

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that's a good thing. And they didn't find like just

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a complete stiff form. They found like at least a

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reputable opponent, right. And then the other fight that's on

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the card that will definitely be of interest to some

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people again heavyweight action, and it's the very popular and

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exciting but very raw Johnny Fisher, a heavyweight who's got

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a big time fan base, and they match him up

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with the well traveled, let's be kind about it, the

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lovable David Allen, who is probably at the end of

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his career. He's probably gonna get knocked out in this fight,

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but it'll probably be fun to watch while it gets

474
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to that point. But David Allen is still probably a

475
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,039
step up for Johnny Fisher, who hasn't yet fought anybody

476
00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:20,440
of consequence to fashion that lovely what twelve and oerd

477
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,920
record that he has, and we'll see, so that could

478
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,400
be like a fun kind of fight, you know in

479
00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:31,200
recent times. Uh, he's you know, David Allen, He's he's

480
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,359
won two fights throw but against very low level like

481
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,920
opponents guys who are like one fighter he fought to

482
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,680
win was two wins and twenty five losses. The next

483
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,079
one was eight wins and fourteen losses. Prior to that,

484
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,799
he got stopped by Fraser Clark in the sixth round.

485
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But he's fought some the guys when he stepped up.

486
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:49,839
He's lost to David Price, you know, guys like that,

487
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,160
Tony Yoka, he lost to Back a few years ago.

488
00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:54,319
So it's a it's a but it's still it's still

489
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a step up for for Johnny Fisher, who you know,

490
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maybe he'll go somewhere, maybe he won't, but he's very

491
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exciting and very cool, very good to watch.

492
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Speaker 1: And just clarify again for the audience. The full what

493
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we just laid out, the full five fights are on

494
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the pay per view.

495
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Speaker 2: No everything, everything is right, everything.

496
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Speaker 1: So clarify when it begins us time and gets underway.

497
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I believe I saw eleven am. Yeah, so they do

498
00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:19,160
have breakfast breakfast with riad season again or brunch depends, so.

499
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Speaker 2: It's at ten thirty am Eastern time. They have like

500
00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:24,319
a thirty minute preview show and then from what I

501
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,200
am told, the name card or the fights rather will

502
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,000
begin at eleven am and they'll just roll out the

503
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fights one at a time. Now, usually they show all

504
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,440
the fights on these read season cards, so I think

505
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,519
that will be the full show. So therefore you won't

506
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,559
expect to see the main event between Theory and Usik.

507
00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:42,480
Probably tell no earlier than like five o'clock five thirty

508
00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:44,559
Eastern times, something like that. And if you're on the

509
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West coast, get the breakfast, get your coffee, get your.

510
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Speaker 1: Get the breakfast, to do what you gotta do. And

511
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,359
they want the primetime British audience to be nine pm hour,

512
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,759
ten pm hour. They're five hours ahead of us. So

513
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I'm with you, you're gonna you're gonna be a while.

514
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Even if a couple of these in early, you're gonna

515
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be a while before you get to Furick Fury and

516
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,960
Usik coming in the main event. All right, so before

517
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,440
we get to some news, this is interesting, our colleague

518
00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,559
David Payne wrote for Big Fight Weekend dot com about

519
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,640
heavyweight title rematches. Notice the phrase that I'm using because

520
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,920
Rayfield's gone wit a minute, are we clarifying that it's

521
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,880
a heavyweight championship rematch. Yes, heavyweight championship rematch, And we

522
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,839
don't have to go down to a list. You don't

523
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have to go down a list. He listed several, including

524
00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:33,880
the bite night Holyfield Tyson rematch, including the aforementioned Fury

525
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,680
Wilder rematch, which you were at at ringside in Las Vegas.

526
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,039
He also went in the way back and mentioned Joe

527
00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:45,160
Lewis Max Schmaling for the social reasons back in the

528
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,480
nineteen thirties and Lewis's resounding one round knockout.

529
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Speaker 2: Now does that count though, because the first fight wasn't

530
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,279
a time a title fight?

531
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Speaker 1: I get, well, yeah, the second fight was for a

532
00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:55,960
title fight, but he counted it. So I'm just I'm

533
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,880
pointing that one out. So if I say to you,

534
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,559
give me a fa writ or two when I what

535
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:07,319
comes to mind immediately heavyweight title rematch? What immediately popped

536
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,000
into your head, like what we're about to have here

537
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,920
with Usik and Fury, the latest of the heavyweight title rematches,

538
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,039
Give me one or two.

539
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to think about in terms. I mean,

540
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,279
you have to think about Tyson Holyfield. But it was

541
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:20,759
the terrible fight because the only thing that was there

542
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:23,160
was it was it was a bad fight because nothing

543
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,119
really happened, and then Tyson bit off his ear and

544
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,880
it reining for everybody. So it was the most shocking.

545
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,279
It was the most famous or infamous, however you want

546
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,480
to describe it. But I don't know if I would

547
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:34,720
use that to say like that. I mean, it's most memorable,

548
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,119
I guess, but for all the wrong reasons in terms

549
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,160
of the actual fight. That was the reason that we

550
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:41,279
tune in for these things, I'd have to say in

551
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,400
terms of right off the top of my head, you know,

552
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,480
maybe because I watch it live when it happened and

553
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:48,759
it's of my era of being a boxing fan. Was

554
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:51,640
the rematch between a Vander Holyfield and Rigic Bow, which

555
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,359
also uh for a little extra bonus coverage included the

556
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,519
fan man and man.

557
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,039
Speaker 1: In the middle of the ring in like a ten

558
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:03,039
minute delay where holy Field where bo seemed to be winning,

559
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:05,759
and then holy Field after the delay, seemed to rally.

560
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:09,680
I just I'm can I just say this out loud?

561
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,720
I'm just wondering, now that you've said that, and we've

562
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:16,440
we've referenced Tyson and the ear bite, are we due

563
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,119
for something bizarre to happen just because every ten to

564
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,039
fifteen years something crazy like this happens. Are we do

565
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,039
I don't know, I just it just struck me if

566
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:29,119
something bizarre gonna happen in Usick Fury that I'm not

567
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,799
saying a fan on a paraglider coming landing in the ring, Well,

568
00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:35,119
that can't happen because the fights, the fights indoors. Good

569
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,799
point on that, by the way.

570
00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: I'm also I mean it was it turned out not

571
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,720
to be a great fight. It was a great performance

572
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,920
you mentioned about, and I mean because I was there

573
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,559
covering it was the Tyson Fury Deontay Wildering MAT's where

574
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:48,960
he did walk him down and knock him out after

575
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,759
a draw. That was whoever you thought won the first

576
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:54,759
fight a very close competitive fight and certainly Theory got

577
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,720
knocked down twice in that particular fight. Uh, and that

578
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:01,640
was a memorable, memorable fight, you know, given Deontay his

579
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,400
first defeat and Fury winning, you know, he was the

580
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,559
lineal chamion, but he won the WBC title, so got

581
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:08,960
the belt back that he uh, you know, he didn't

582
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,240
have the belts at that period of time. I mean,

583
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,400
heavyweights have definitely made themselves through history to have you

584
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,079
know a bunch of different rematches. You know, there's again,

585
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,839
you know, Ali had his rematches the second fight with Fraser.

586
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,920
Wasn't a title fight? Good fight, Kenny Norton, you know,

587
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,720
three different times, you know, one of those things where

588
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,480
the heavyweights seemed to be the more memorable ones. I

589
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,039
guess if you will.

590
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: We covered the Lenox Lewis, which I still maintain, and peeps,

591
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,160
you can you can weigh in. I don't know of

592
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,880
another situation. Yeah, we're at a heavyweight any title. Give

593
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,640
me a title fight that ended in a one punch

594
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:49,279
KO rockmand Ko ing Lewis, and then a year later

595
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,279
neither guy fights another fight in between and it ends

596
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,119
with the challenger getting his title back Lennox Lewis on

597
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,240
a one punch KO. A one punch KO that begot

598
00:27:59,319 --> 00:27:59,880
a one punch.

599
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,279
Speaker 2: So again, that was not a great fight. I was

600
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,039
at the second Rockman Lewis covering that, and that was

601
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:08,680
obviously a massive fight at the time. Uh well, I said,

602
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,759
suffered that huge upset, came back and just you know,

603
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,079
got rid of Rockman with like you said, one massive

604
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,640
right hand and that was all she wrote. Again, not

605
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,640
a not a particularly memorable fight, but certainly a memorable knockout.

606
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,920
So when I talked about the memorable fight, I don't

607
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,039
count Bow I mean Holyfield and Tyson because of the

608
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,640
crazy shit that happened with the with the biting. But

609
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,160
in terms of just the combat and the competitiveness, Fury

610
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:40,480
against Wilder two was not competitive in that sense. We

611
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:44,359
just mentioned about what happened in terms of Tyson and Holyfield. Uh,

612
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,200
but but that fight, you know between Bow and Holyfield,

613
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:53,359
the rematch super super Rockman and Lewis. The rematch was

614
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,359
a great knockout, but not particularly competitive. So for me,

615
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,200
it's got to be the rematch with the holy Field

616
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,519
and Bow and then you're throw in the man for

617
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:01,359
a middle bonus action.

618
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff. All right, let's see what we're doing

619
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,599
for on this. We gave it plenty of time. Let's

620
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,519
get to some news and then we've got some nostalgia

621
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,440
to wrap it here for this weekend. All right, you've

622
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,720
been busy. They've not announced it yet, but you've got

623
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:19,640
deats on Keishawn Davis challenging for the WBO Lightweight Championship.

624
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,559
Give me more on when this is what's what's going on?

625
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, this fight has made this is going to happen.

626
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,960
It's not a surprise. We saw Keishan look spectacular in

627
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,440
his most recent fight in his Norfolk, Virginia homecoming, getting

628
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,799
rid of Gustavo Lamos very impressively. As he had said

629
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:37,359
prior to I think it was actually on the interview

630
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,240
that I did with him that was on our zoom.

631
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:40,680
I mean that I did with him on a zoom

632
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,799
that we played on our podcast, where he had said

633
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:47,880
that he and Denny's Barentchik had actually direct message each

634
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,599
other on I don't know if whatever platform they're on

635
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,000
social media without fighting each other. At some point he

636
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:55,160
was you know, Keishan is very highly ranked in the

637
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,319
various organizations, and now he's going to challenge Barentcheck for

638
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,000
the WBO lightweight title. That will take place on February fourteenth.

639
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:04,839
It will be the main event at the Madison Square

640
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,880
Garden Theater in New York City, and that's going to

641
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,039
be his big opportunity for Barentchik, it'll be his first

642
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,720
title defense. He won the title this past summer. He

643
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:16,680
had a good performance in a split decision against Emmanuel Nevverette,

644
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,799
who remember had went up from one hundred and thirty

645
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:20,319
to one hundred and thirty five the challenge for the title.

646
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:22,359
When he lost, He then made the decision to return

647
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,440
to one thirty where he still was the champion or

648
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,319
had his belt and defend that. But Brentchik will make

649
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,599
make the defense in this particular fight, and it's a

650
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,480
tough fight I think for both guys. I mean, Brentchick

651
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,599
is a very skillful fighter for you know, a former

652
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,720
you always are, the Olympian metalist that he got from Ukraine.

653
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,960
And Keishaan has looked tremendous in his last you know,

654
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,720
three or four fights pretty much since he's said that

655
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:49,400
he stopped smoking weed, you know during the training camps

656
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,400
and all the build up to a fight.

657
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: He told you that, right, he told you that leading

658
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:53,119
up to that on the pod.

659
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,799
Speaker 2: He's really I think turned the corner in terms of

660
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,160
the way he acts, in terms of his professional approach

661
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,359
to his fights. He's obviously got the talent. That's not

662
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,240
to be you can't deny that. But anyway, that's that's

663
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,200
the fight. This is what Keishaan has wanted. He's been

664
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,920
pressing Top Rank for a while to move him quickly.

665
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,920
When when Navarette and Brentchick fought. Top Rank is not

666
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,519
like the promoter of record for Brentchick, but they do

667
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:19,279
have they did have the option on either his next

668
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,240
fighter's next two fights based on making the Navarette fight. Anyway,

669
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:24,640
so that fight will headline. That's a very interesting matchup.

670
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,119
And then the rest of the card, you're looking at

671
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:33,359
the popular Puerto Rican young fighter, undefeated rising contender Xander Zayas.

672
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:35,480
He will fight and this is actually a step buff

673
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,160
from Also again he's Xander's twenty to zero with twelve knockouts.

674
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:41,640
He's going to fight a much older fighter, a fighter

675
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,119
who is a decade older than as Xanders twenty two.

676
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,720
He's going to fight a fighter named Slawas Boehmer who's

677
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,599
thirty two from Germany, who's twenty to no with eleven knockouts.

678
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:52,599
But he's a talented guys boomer. If you ever watch him,

679
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:54,960
he can fight. So that that to me is a

680
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,640
step up for Xander. That's the co feature. It's going

681
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,279
to actually be from what I am told will be

682
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,960
a three fight main card. The opening of the three

683
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,799
fights will be Vito mil Nicki, who's from gonna have

684
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,279
fans there also because he comes from not too far

685
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:09,720
away in northern New Jersey. But anyway, he is moving

686
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,920
from junior middleweight up to middleweight. For this fight, he'll

687
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,480
take on the undefeated Irishman Connor Coyle, who is twenty

688
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,079
one to zher. And obviously, if Xander Zayis continues to

689
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,680
win and nol Nicky continues to win, it's pretty clear

690
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,759
the top rank has every intention at some point, maybe

691
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,000
at near the end of next year or you know,

692
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,240
in the summer whenever, but anyway to do a fight

693
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,079
once Xander anyway gets to middleweight, to do a fight

694
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,279
between nol Nicky and Zais. But they got to continue

695
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,599
to win their fights. And then what's also interesting I

696
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,000
reported about this. You know, they'll fill out the card

697
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,160
with other fights, but among the fighters whoill appear on

698
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,960
the preliminars, one of my favorite prospects in boxing is

699
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,720
a young fighter from the Dominican Republic, is a twenty

700
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,920
twenty olympian named Rojan Polanco. These books sensational in his

701
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,039
recent fights, he is fourteen to zero and then the

702
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:54,559
other one, and I'm sure this will help sell some tickets. Also,

703
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:59,599
if you remember Jan Male Lopez, a former featherweight and

704
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,599
your lightweight, World Junior featherweight and featherweight world champion, Puerto

705
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,559
Rican Olympian backup Mental. A month or two ago, Top

706
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:11,000
Ranks signed his son one they call him one Mita

707
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,319
and he was a twenty twenty four Puerto Rican Olympian.

708
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,400
He's a junior bandon. Wait, but anyway, they signed him

709
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,279
and he'll make his professional debut on this undercard. So

710
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,160
there's gonna be a lot of that's a lot of

711
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,400
interesting stuff between Xander and a step up fight obviously

712
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,279
the main event. Noil Nicki in a real fight, Polanco,

713
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,960
this young kid Wan meet the Lopez, plus whatever else

714
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,799
they put on there, a little bit for everybody. So

715
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,920
that's on February fourteenth, Happy Valentine's Day, Team.

716
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Jgo Valentine's Day Weekend. There's also news on ji Opataiah,

717
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,039
who is going back to Australia and defending his lineal

718
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,839
and IBF cruiseweight championship. We got an opponent switch because

719
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,400
of an injury. This is coming right after the new year.

720
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,880
Tell me more about what we know.

721
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,519
Speaker 2: Sure, So this is on January the eighth. It'll be

722
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,240
at the Zone stream. It's taking place in broad Beach, Australia,

723
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,640
which is like his home region, Obataia. You know he's

724
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,359
been fighting primarily ever since he when he won the

725
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,559
title against Myris Bradist in their first fight. He's taken

726
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:07,960
it on the road. He's been in the UK and

727
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,639
he's fought in Riyad. He's been a big part of

728
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,119
the riad season events. But this was the opportunity after

729
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:14,880
his most recent victory. They were going to bring him

730
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,239
home and he was going to take on his mandatory challenger,

731
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,719
a fighter named Hussein Sinkara. But Sinkara suffered a ligament

732
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,519
damage in his ankle. This is probably about, you know,

733
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,480
a week ago or so, so he withdrew from the fight.

734
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:28,519
So with a fight coming on Changar the eighth, they

735
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:30,360
needed to find a new opponent, and they had a

736
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,599
list of pretty good, credible guys. But what they decided

737
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,280
to go with was a young fighter, not young, but

738
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:36,760
young in his career in terms of his professional experience.

739
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,079
A twenty nine year old fighter same age as Opataia,

740
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,840
A fighter named David Nayika who was known in that

741
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,119
part of the world. He is from New Zealand. He

742
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,280
lives in Australia, but he was a twenty twenty Olympic

743
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,960
bronze medalist and he and Opatai have sparred a million

744
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:54,360
rounds together, and now they're going to fight each other

745
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,360
for real because they got him to take the match,

746
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,960
and that actually shapes up as a really interesting fight

747
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,559
because Nika has got a lot of people that think

748
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,920
he's going places. It may be a little too soon

749
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,159
for him against a fighter like Opatia that's like really

750
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,280
in his you know, getting into what I think is

751
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,960
like his best days right now, and you know, really

752
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,039
in his prime and fighting well and you know, really

753
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:14,920
a tough guy for anybody to handle in that weight class.

754
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,800
But Nika is showing, uh that he's here to be

755
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,599
a real fighter. It's not like he's getting any younger

756
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,840
at twenty nine. It's not like he's twenty two when

757
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,079
they're throwing him in at twenty nine with the kind

758
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:27,800
of amateur background, he said, it seems like it's a

759
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,320
step up, but it doesn't seem like a completely unreasonable

760
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,599
step up. You don't have to have twenty or thirty

761
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:35,559
fights these days to fight for a world championship. So

762
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:39,519
anyway they're doing that fight, but for Australia, for New Zealand.

763
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,920
As Opati said, they had like a little press conference

764
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,679
the other day. The Polynesian community is like a big

765
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,840
freaking deal for that for that area of the world

766
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,280
to have this matchup, right.

767
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:51,119
Speaker 1: And again that'll be January the eighth. We've got time

768
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,480
to preview that here coming in and around the new

769
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:55,440
year for Opataia's title defense.

770
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: All right.

771
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Also news on Jack Catterall and he and Arnold Barbose

772
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:02,119
look like they're going to get together. What's what's the

773
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:03,280
update on this as well?

774
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,199
Speaker 2: Well, this was a fight that was ordered back, you know,

775
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,880
a couple a few weeks ago for a WBO finally

776
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,679
eliminator for a Caterall to fight Barboza that would put

777
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,840
him in a position to be the mandatory for Tiafimo Lopez,

778
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,719
who was not only the WBO champion but also the

779
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,360
lineal champion. And if you remember when Barbosa fought on

780
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,280
the card also in Saudi Arabia, the Latino night that

781
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,800
was against Jose Ramirez, it was originally supposed to be

782
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,719
a twelve round eliminator, and he pushed back and was like, look,

783
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,400
I've already been paying fees for various fights, they haven't

784
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,559
given me the title shot, So we refused to do

785
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:35,760
it for an eliminator or for a twelve rounder, he

786
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,280
went out there and he won the fight, and then

787
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,880
afterwards in his interview he apologized. He said, look, I

788
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,159
hope the WBO will still give me the title shot,

789
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,199
and they did. But what they did do is they

790
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,239
formally said you can fight this guy in a final eliminator,

791
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,320
and I think that's good enough for him and his team.

792
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,800
So what they're going to do is do the fight.

793
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,360
So by all accounts, and I think Caterall posted this

794
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,519
on a social like he's already agreed to the terms

795
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,800
or maybe even signed something saying that he'll do the fight.

796
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,199
Golden Boy, which is the Barbosa promoter, there trying to

797
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:03,280
tidy things up. So because of that, both of the

798
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,320
camps Natroom Boxing and Golden Boy went to the to

799
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,039
the WBO. They asked for a delay in the purse

800
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,360
bid to tidy up the rest of the deal. They

801
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,119
gave them until, you know, another extra week or so

802
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:17,039
to do to do the negotiation. And it's again I've

803
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,480
said this many times, it's not Usually it's not, but

804
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:22,280
sometimes it is. But it's not always when they delay

805
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,920
a purse bid because there's an issue between the two promoters.

806
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:26,960
This is it can also be the issue between one

807
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,239
promoter and their boxer. And I'm not saying that Golden

808
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,800
Boy and Barbosa have an issue, but they just haven't

809
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,320
gotten their stuff done yet. So the Caterall team is

810
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,280
sitting waiting. Barbosa and Goldenboy are trying to tidy things

811
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,039
up and if it gets done like it's supposed to

812
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,800
get done, the fight will take place on February fifteenth.

813
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,400
It'll be on his own. It will take place in Manchester, England,

814
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,239
which is Caterall's backyard. He comes from a town, you know,

815
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,119
fifteen twenty minutes away from there, so it's going to

816
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,440
be his region and the winner will be in the

817
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,360
position to challenge Tia Fimo for the title or wherever

818
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,079
holds the title.

819
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: And that's going to be that same weekend at the

820
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,519
Kishon Fight in the US on top rank. So we

821
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:02,880
got to we'll have an interesting weekend there for Valentine's weekend.

822
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: Sure ll be on the Friday night Caterall that.

823
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: Comes off, all right. Also, Angelo Leo, there's news about him.

824
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,239
Remember when last we saw him the booming knockout of

825
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,199
Luis Alberto Lopez to become the IBF featherweight champion. What

826
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,400
is the update and uh and whom is the fight

827
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:26,400
against for Leo's title defense.

828
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 2: Well, like you said, he had that massive knock out

829
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,079
against Louis Suberto Lopez in the tenth round that took

830
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,840
place in August. He he lives in Vegas, Leo, but

831
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,000
he fought the fight in his hometown of Albuquerque. First time.

832
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:38,760
They have like a big fight there in several years.

833
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:39,679
Speaker 1: Uh.

834
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: And then when that was over, they were thinking, maybe

835
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,079
we'll do another fight in Albuquerque. Top rank is not

836
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,760
his promoter officially, but they have options on his next

837
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,079
two fights, and so they were talking things over. But

838
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,039
as it turned out, the IBF ordered the mandatory. The

839
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:56,119
mandatory is against Tomochi Camaito, who was a popular fighter

840
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,800
from Osaka, Japan, comes from the fighting Camada family. His

841
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,079
two brothers have also won world titles to Mochi himself

842
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,800
has been a world title holder in the past. But

843
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,280
that mandatory is ordered, and so instead of doing another

844
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,760
Albuquerque fight, they're gonna do the mandatory. And they were

845
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,199
offered to go to Osaka to do the fight. So

846
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,000
Angel Leo is gonna, you know, have gloves, will travel.

847
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,000
He told his hometown paper in albuquerqueh that the the

848
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,599
in the Albuquerque Journal that he said the fight was

849
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,400
supposed to be on March twenty second in Osaka. I

850
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:28,639
talked the Top Rank and they said, while they have

851
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,079
a deal in plays, even though it's not like signed yet,

852
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,760
the date was still somewhat up in the air. But

853
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,360
you got to figure it'll be in the you know,

854
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,280
in the first part of next year. But the point

855
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,320
is Angela Leo, after a resounding knockout of the ear

856
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,000
caliber kind of knockout against Lopez to win the title,

857
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:46,360
is going to get on that big bird plane and

858
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,760
fly to Japan and defend this title.

859
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: And presumably get a nice payday to be able to

860
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,920
go do your shirt as well. That's the whole idea

861
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,800
behind that, all right, So keep us posted on when

862
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,280
they make that IBF Featherweight title fight, and then we

863
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,559
finish up with the recently concluded WBC convention. Are they

864
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,320
still there? Wait a minute, No, they're not. They were

865
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,079
in Hamburg, Germany, I think for most of December. I'm joking.

866
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:12,480
I did see Mauricio Suleiman standing between Tyson Fury and

867
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,239
Alexander Usik while they were squaring off on the podium

868
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,760
in Saudi Arabias. That indicates to me the convention is

869
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,119
finally over. Give me some.

870
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: Not not that Maurcio sends me his itineraries, but I'm

871
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,519
pretty sure that Mrcio when the convention wrapped up, I'd

872
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:29,920
be a little surprised if he flew from Hamburg, Germany,

873
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,719
back to Mexico to turn around a couple of days

874
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,719
later and fly to Riann, Saudi Arabia.

875
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,679
Speaker 1: Sogically not on the itinerary, I agree with it.

876
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: Presumably he either stayed in Germany or went elsewhere in

877
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,199
Europe and then made his way to Saudi Arabia for

878
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,719
the festivities for Fury versus Usik. But the WBC, first

879
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,519
of all, all the boxing conventions are interesting for different reasons.

880
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:50,679
Because one of the things in terms of if you're

881
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:52,400
a fan, and they gives you sort of the blueprint

882
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,559
for where they're going in their organization with their various titles.

883
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,559
But the WBC does a little more specific. I think

884
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,320
they throw the biggest convention. It's certainly got the most

885
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,639
star power in terms of the former champions and current

886
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,800
top fighters and dignitaries that show up. They're involved, you know,

887
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,719
they do. They have affiliations in well over one hundred

888
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,760
countries around the world. They have representatives that come from

889
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,280
all over the world to attend their conventions. They usually

890
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,320
put on a fight card associated with that event, which

891
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,320
they did also in Hamburg during that fight during that

892
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,480
convention week. But the thing that always I'm interested in

893
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:26,199
is when they do the mandatories and they set up

894
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,840
the eliminators, and you know, again it can change because

895
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,119
some fighters may opt to go in a different direction.

896
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:33,280
This is what they set out, what their agenda is,

897
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,639
but it's always very interesting. So they go through and

898
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:38,360
they do basically division by division, you know, and so

899
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:40,719
I guess some of the highlights, you know, looking at

900
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,599
it is for those who follow such things, so people

901
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:46,480
know like badud Jack, for example, he had been the

902
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:49,719
WC cruiserweight champion. He requested to be put in recess

903
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,079
quote unquote because he wanted to try to fight for

904
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,360
a bridgerweight title, which would give him, if he were

905
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,559
to win it, world titles on three weight classes. Because

906
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:58,719
he had been a cruiserweight champion and been a light

907
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,599
heavyweight champion, and that was looking to do a fight

908
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,800
and get another maybe a superman a weight where he

909
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,639
was where he won a title, regardless, he was looking

910
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:10,079
to do a bridge away title off the top head

911
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:12,800
escapes me what his divisions were. Nonetheless, the fight didn't happen,

912
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:14,760
and so at the convention he said he's coming back

913
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,199
to cruiserweight, and they reinstated him as their champion. Because

914
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,519
the guy that became the champion in his absence, Noel Mcallian,

915
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,360
is now on ice and you locked up in a

916
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,679
lawsuit with Don King. Anyway, a lot of different things

917
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,480
happen there, but the bottom line is Jack is back,

918
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,760
so to speak, and he's been ordered to make his

919
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,119
mandatory defense. And again they go down and they made

920
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,239
official confirmation, however you want to describe it, where they

921
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,199
basically made it one hundred percent that the winner of

922
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,159
the David Morrell David Bennavidias fight that takes place coming

923
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,280
up on February first, which is a fantastic fight just

924
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,800
on its own, but that winner, at least in the

925
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,519
WBC organization, will be the mandatory, not only will be

926
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,840
the interim champion of the WBC, will be officially the

927
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,119
mandatory because as I have said many times that a

928
00:42:58,119 --> 00:42:59,960
lot of people kind of forget or don't realize that

929
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,159
just because you may have an interim title within that

930
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,840
organization does not make you the mandatory until they tell

931
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,440
you are the mandatory. So now they have said, in

932
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:11,039
writing an official resolution that the winner of that fight

933
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:14,480
is the mandatory. In the light heavyweight division, they made

934
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,320
the point that Canelo is in a voluntary period, which

935
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,320
was not a surprise, so he can pretty much at

936
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,639
least in terms of the WBC title. They can choose

937
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,719
who he wants within their ratings, you know, and they

938
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,159
also have some other champions that already set for fight,

939
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,719
so they didn't have to you know, that was not

940
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,159
a big thing. Like you already know Carlos Damas is

941
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:34,559
going to be fighting Hamza Shiraz, for example, to fend

942
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:38,039
the middleway title. They and they anyway, they continue to

943
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:40,360
go down the list. They made the point that Mario Barrios,

944
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:43,280
you know, he is in an optional period after his draw,

945
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,440
which is interesting because he's in conversations for possibly fighting

946
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,599
Connor Ben, which would be an optional defense, and so

947
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:51,360
on and so forth. They went on down the list.

948
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,719
The thing that was interesting besides all that, this was

949
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,480
one of the things I found very interesting. Besides just

950
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:58,400
ordering the mandatories. They go through and I'll talk about

951
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,519
who the eliminators are in the dandamweight division. We know

952
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:03,920
that Jesse Vam Rodriguez is the champion. He's coming off

953
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,440
that very impressive third round knockout against Pedro Givar that

954
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,079
took place in November on the Boutsennes Karen Chergazzi undercard,

955
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,679
So he's now in a position where he can have,

956
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,320
you know, do what he needs to do in terms

957
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,079
of having an optional fight. But while that's happening, they

958
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:23,599
also or you know, ordained or blessed or sanctioned however

959
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,480
you want to describe it, the eliminator fight that would

960
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,360
theoretically produce the mandatory. Now the fighters have to agree

961
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,719
to the fight. Again, I said, this is what the

962
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,400
WBC wants to happen, but it's a very interesting fight

963
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,039
if it does come off. They've ordered Andrew Maloney to

964
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,159
fight Roman Chocolatito Gonzalez in the eliminator, and the fight

965
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:40,719
that a lot of people have talked about would be

966
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,719
Choco Latito Gonzalez against Dam Rodriguez, So that theoretically is

967
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,480
one step closer to possibly happening. If you go away.

968
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:51,639
Speaker 1: A lot of people think I don't pay attention to you.

969
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,239
I pay attention to you. You are against Choco Latito

970
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,639
fighting Bam, just from the standpoint that you are concerned

971
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,039
that you know, Look, these fighters understand and there's risk

972
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:04,880
whenever there's involved. But he's an aged warrior and it

973
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,320
could be big trouble against a young, listen, brutalizing fighter

974
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,519
like Bam if that's what they're angling towards, and who

975
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:13,119
knows if that's what's ultimately going to happen the Chocolatito.

976
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,199
Speaker 2: I mean, both fighters have said they want it, I mean,

977
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,000
and mister Honda will not standing away with it, then

978
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:22,800
it can happen. I suppose the Roman Gonzalez of you know,

979
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,159
four or five years ago, in his best I'm not

980
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:28,480
gonna sit here and tell you he beats Jesse Rodriguez,

981
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:31,199
but it's a legit fight, fit to fight because you're

982
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,000
talking about, you know, one of the all time greats

983
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,519
against a guy that at least on the trajectory of

984
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:37,639
being an all time great in terms of those weight classes.

985
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:42,239
But Roman, who I love dearly as a human being

986
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,039
and as a fighter. You know, he's seen better days now.

987
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:46,719
He looked good in the fight. He had over the summer,

988
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,000
but it does concern me. I don't I don't want

989
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:51,039
to see him take the beat down just to give

990
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,079
Bam the big name on his Di reccord. But I

991
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,440
can't listen. Roman's a fighter, you know, you get paid

992
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,199
really well for the fight. It's not like he can't

993
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:58,800
handle himself. And if he wants to do the fight,

994
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,960
I mean, I'm not understand as And the other thing

995
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,239
that came out of the convention besides just the mandatories,

996
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,159
I mean, I think we mentioned this in a previous episode.

997
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,320
They did reelect Mauricio Suliman to a new four year

998
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,960
term to be president. This will be his third term

999
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,440
as president. They also made the announcement that Katie Taylor,

1000
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,079
who has been the undisputed women's champion in the junior

1001
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:20,960
welterweight division, she has finally vacated her lightweight title and

1002
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,360
so they upgraded Carolyn Dubois, the outstanding British fighter, to

1003
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,880
the full champion. I love it.

1004
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,039
Speaker 1: And that is the sister of Daniel Dubois.

1005
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: That is correct, and she has a defense coming up

1006
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,599
on one of the boxer cards in the next month

1007
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:35,400
or so. This I love by the way they made

1008
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,480
and the WBC has people that work beyond the scenes

1009
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,199
to help boxers within their championships and their ratings and everything,

1010
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,280
to set up financial plans for their careers to take

1011
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,320
care of themselves when they're retired, because so many fighters,

1012
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,199
unfortunately they make their money when they're fighting, or they

1013
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:53,920
don't make that money to begin with them. When they're done,

1014
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,800
they've got nothing left. So I thought this was a

1015
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,280
great thing. They made an announcement and they we'll work

1016
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,000
through the particulars in twenty twenty five and get everything

1017
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:03,880
set up. But in twenty twenty six they have said

1018
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,199
that no boxer will be eligible to fight for a

1019
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,039
WBC title and they do not have a retirement savings

1020
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:11,800
plan set up, and I guess the WBC will will

1021
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,440
take a look at that.

1022
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1023
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: I think that's a that's a big thing, because that's

1024
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,719
that's an important factor. So many of these fighters they

1025
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,239
make big money or even small money, and when they're done,

1026
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,880
they don't have nothing to they don't have a pot

1027
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,480
to piss and so I think that's a great thing

1028
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,679
that the WC is.

1029
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,039
Speaker 1: I thought of this right when you're saying it that

1030
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,119
it's one thing to have that noble idea, but you

1031
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,559
also have to follow through with it's a retirement savings

1032
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:37,559
plan that nobody else can steal from because they steal

1033
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,639
from you every other way with getting to your money.

1034
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:44,559
So for the fighter that you, we got to impress

1035
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:47,840
upon you, the fighter, you are the only one that

1036
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,840
has access to this. This is your retirement, your money.

1037
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,679
Don't let your agent, don't let your bud your name.

1038
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,400
You know you're that guy growing up. Don't let this

1039
00:47:56,519 --> 00:47:58,920
and that, because it's the same way they're always going

1040
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,519
to take your money if you let them have access

1041
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:00,760
to it.

1042
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: But it's in a retirement plan, which and I don't

1043
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:05,119
know what their definition is, but if you have a

1044
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,280
retirement plan, usually you can't touch it until you reach

1045
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,679
a certain age. It accruise money and it will gain

1046
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,039
interest in things like that, but you can't really, we

1047
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:14,239
can't really take it out.

1048
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: Until Financial Advisor. For more on WEALTHYMA.

1049
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,079
Speaker 2: They also they named Turkey Alchik the WBC Man of

1050
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:21,960
the Year for his impact on boxing over the past

1051
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:23,599
year and a half or so, which is I can't

1052
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,639
even really argue with that. And then this is another

1053
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:27,280
really cool thing that they announce that they're doing and

1054
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,960
they're doing it. The WC in conjunction with Turkey is

1055
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,760
they're creating something called the Boxing Grand Prix, which is

1056
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,119
going to be a series of tournaments in four different

1057
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,119
weight classes or prospects. But they're very specific. No more

1058
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:40,679
than ten professional fights when you start the tournament, can't

1059
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:43,239
be older when the tournament starts older than twenty six

1060
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:45,679
one hundred and twenty eight boxers spread over four weight

1061
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,039
classes featherweight, junior, welterweight, middleweight, and heavyweight that will take

1062
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,079
place over the course of the year. The semi finals

1063
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:56,000
and quarterfinals are eight round fights. Championship of the the

1064
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:58,880
finals of these of these four different tournaments will be

1065
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,480
ten rounds. So it's a way to sort of, you know,

1066
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:05,599
kick start some prospects, you know, make uh, you know,

1067
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,599
get some attention to some of the younger fighters that

1068
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:09,599
you know, they don't necessarily to be like you know,

1069
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,639
the kind of showbox is kind of kind of events

1070
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,039
where you get a chance to maybe see the next generation,

1071
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,000
but get.

1072
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,679
Speaker 1: Soa incentivize them to be active and fight better fights.

1073
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,880
So I agree, I agree that we win. We win

1074
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,079
as fight fans to see some of them a little

1075
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:28,840
active participating in a tournament that has a carrit financially

1076
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:30,159
hanging out there for them.

1077
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: I know that the organizations they take their arrows from

1078
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,840
a lot of us and the fans of the media.

1079
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,880
WBC is no different. They've taken their their stuff. We've

1080
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,639
been critical about franchise champions and all kinds of things

1081
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:44,719
we can think of. But if you're honest, and if

1082
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,440
you can't just spend your time ripping them for the

1083
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,480
things you don't agree with, they do a lot of

1084
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:51,840
good things. When you create a brand prix of boxing

1085
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,599
like this, it's a good thing for the sport. When

1086
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:55,880
you do a situation where you're trying to help the

1087
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,079
financial future of the fighters by you know, having them

1088
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,360
set up retirement plan, that's a good thing. They still

1089
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,800
are the only organization that has any legitimate UH drug

1090
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,000
testing beyond just whatever commission stands you know that says

1091
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,559
you have to do now. It can be a lot better.

1092
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:13,079
It's not often enough, it's not well funded like it

1093
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:14,960
should be, but they at least make the effort and

1094
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,079
they've actually caught some people. So it's a work in progress.

1095
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,079
I'm only making the point that we can bitch and

1096
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,360
moan about the interim champions and the franchise chaments and

1097
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,280
all the bullshit that we see in fights that we

1098
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,159
may not like or some quirky things and rankings and

1099
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,079
all that. But you also got to give the props.

1100
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,159
And when the BC puts on the convention, they do

1101
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,480
a tremendous job and they come up with these types

1102
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,840
of things that we're talking about, and I think it's

1103
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,400
a it's a good thing for the sport overall. And

1104
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,199
I don't think enough people they understand what the organizations do.

1105
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,320
And it's also not just what I mentioned. They spend

1106
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,800
copious hours h you know, dealing with the medical things

1107
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,760
and and uh and organizational things to talk about medical

1108
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,039
issues about you know, I know we see a lot

1109
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:56,760
of issues, but they do take refereeing and judging seriously

1110
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,400
where they do workshops and have you know, dis questions

1111
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,199
about it and lectures and things like that, and those

1112
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:04,480
are all helpful in the long run.

1113
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,599
Speaker 1: One other request, and we have fun with all of this,

1114
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,760
but some of this is semi serious too. If you

1115
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,119
go back and watch the very end of the decision

1116
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:17,559
announcement of Usik winning the undisputed heavyweight title, which again

1117
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:19,280
catch me up that was the first time we had

1118
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,320
had a four belt undisputed heavyweight champ ever, I'm correct, yes,

1119
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,199
and the first time we had had an undisputed champ

1120
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,840
since Lenox Lewis Wright win.

1121
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: This was the first This is the first undisputed heavyweight

1122
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,639
champion since Lennox Lewis defeated e Vander Holyfield in the

1123
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,760
rematch in nineteen ninety nine, okay, twenty five years.

1124
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,199
Speaker 1: So we read the decision and Alexander Usik, so emotionally

1125
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,679
after all that he's been through with war torn Ukraine

1126
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,159
or whatever, is trying to celebrate and our man, Mauricio

1127
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,639
Suliman is trying to tackle him in the seconds, within

1128
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,840
three seconds of the verdict being announced, w to put

1129
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,119
a WBC T shirt on him about being the WBC

1130
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,719
World Champion, like we're doing some kind of internet getting promotion.

1131
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,920
All I all I am saying is let the moment

1132
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,079
breathe for like ten or fifteen seconds at least, and

1133
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:10,199
then come over him and put the put the WBC

1134
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,719
Green belt or a T shirt.

1135
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what though, if the trade off is

1136
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,480
that Mauricio gets excited and wants to put the WBC

1137
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:19,519
T shirt on the champ and because of that, we

1138
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:21,440
also get fighters at have retirement plans.

1139
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it, all right, Yeah, I'm with you

1140
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,800
on that, and you can still socialize whether even though

1141
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,039
he's a Dallas Cowboy fan. And by the way, by.

1142
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 2: The way, we're both miserable this season.

1143
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: I understand what. I am headed to Big d with

1144
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,519
the Buccaneers against Mauricio Suleman's Dallas Cowboys this weekend. That's

1145
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:41,079
where I'm going to be for this weekend, all right, nostalgia.

1146
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:43,119
Speaker 2: And then just before we get to the nostalgia, this

1147
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,400
year's end of the season in football is only about

1148
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,679
one thing as a New York Football Giant fan, which

1149
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,960
is get the number one pick. But I'm goin another

1150
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:50,760
game the rest of the season.

1151
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: You guys tank, tank, all about it.

1152
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: Here's a sad thing. By the way, TJ. I don't

1153
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,360
think we're tanking. I think we just stink unintentionally.

1154
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna get there, all right, nostalgia time. It was

1155
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,239
twenty seven years ago on Thursday, as we released this

1156
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,880
Thursday Night into Friday, December nineteenth, nineteen ninety seven. And

1157
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:13,639
I remember this because I was intrigued to see about

1158
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:17,679
Prince Nasim Hahmed and that fight with Kevin Kelly on

1159
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,880
HBO main event WBO Featherweight Title at the Garden. I

1160
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:28,280
have seen that fight probably in Parder and Hole ten times,

1161
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:32,039
and I even rewatched it earlier today because it was

1162
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,000
out there on social media. Tremendous for a lot of reasons,

1163
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,800
So big Dan pick it up from here. That was

1164
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,440
twenty seven years ago, but it was tremendous, tremendous drama

1165
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,280
because Hamed is down at the hands of Kevin Kelly

1166
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:47,719
in this fight.

1167
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 2: This is such a great fight. It is so criminally

1168
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,599
forgotten about by some people, so underrated by some It's

1169
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,480
literally and I'm going to give the props to my

1170
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:00,639
dear friend Larry Merchant, who always had the knack for

1171
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:03,280
summing things up in the moment. He didn't need to

1172
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,599
like like those of us, like our columnists or her

1173
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:07,320
right where you think about it for a little while.

1174
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,400
He's literally doing this on the spot in the ring,

1175
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,000
you know, within a bin or two after the fight

1176
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:15,639
or so he called this fight the Hagler hearns a

1177
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,079
featherweight fighting, and that's exactly what this was. This and

1178
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:21,239
the like you mentioned about the drama, and it was

1179
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,199
not just about the pure violence and craziness of the

1180
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,360
actual fight, it's everything that led up to it. Here

1181
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,960
you have Prince Nasima, met massive star in England. He's

1182
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,639
selling out arenas before they announced his opponent. Now, in

1183
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,079
terms of the American audience, he'd been on Showtime a

1184
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:39,960
couple of times, maybe three times. He'd been on ABC

1185
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,239
on Wide World of Sports when they used to do

1186
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,519
the afternoon shows. They bring in the fight from the

1187
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:47,280
uk SO and he was getting a bit of a reputation.

1188
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,480
But now HBO, which was obviously at that point here

1189
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,960
in the late nineties, you know, they're the eight hundred

1190
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,000
pound gorilla. They sign him to a massive contract and

1191
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:56,760
they bring him to New York City to do his

1192
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,480
American debut to defend the WBO featherweight title. They get

1193
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,960
a New York featherweight, a former champion, still a good fighter,

1194
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,119
Kevin Kelly Brash, talk your air off, you know, talk shit,

1195
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:12,440
and you know every note come Ed's ability to talk

1196
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,679
and promote to fight, and they just made magic in

1197
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,559
the promotion and then in the ring. They liked each

1198
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:21,280
other too, which is part of it. And they got

1199
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,599
in there and they did battle, and before that could

1200
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:25,960
even happen, though, it was all about the Prince not

1201
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:29,280
seeing ringwalk. Now, everybody who knew anything about his ringwalks.

1202
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,639
CD's outlandish, over the top productions of him coming in

1203
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,079
with the music and the dancing and then he jumps,

1204
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,280
you know, does the flip over the rope to come

1205
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,639
into the actual ring. This ringwalk. I swear to god

1206
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:43,159
he could look on the HBO broadcast on YouTube. It

1207
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,519
had a last twelve minutes.

1208
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: He took awa. He took a week to get to

1209
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,519
the ring. I believe.

1210
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 2: Again to quote Larry Merchant, I believe he said at

1211
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,000
one point jokingly, I think this is the end of

1212
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:57,440
civilization as we know it. And George Foreman, who was

1213
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,079
still the commentator for HBO along with Larry Merchant and

1214
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:03,199
Jim Lampley, you know, it just was tickled to death

1215
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,440
with what he was saying. You thought this was like

1216
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,519
the greatest show on earth. And so after all the hooplah,

1217
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,039
You're coming to the other guy's hometown. They put up

1218
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:12,280
bill boards like at the Lincoln Tunnel and all through

1219
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,599
midtown Manhattan. Huge event, big coverage in the in the

1220
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:18,360
note in the newspapers, and in the local press and

1221
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,760
not to mention international in terms of sports and boxing.

1222
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,400
Finally he gets his ass in the ring. Finally the

1223
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,800
fight's gonna start ding ding, and within I don't know

1224
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,880
a minute of the opening round of the fight. I

1225
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,159
forget exactly when it happens.

1226
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:33,039
Speaker 1: About a minute left in the first round.

1227
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 2: Yes, all I know is Kelly knocks him on his ass. Yes,

1228
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,039
and you did all that talking and you're gonna get

1229
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:39,880
knocked out in the first round. If you look at

1230
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,639
you could pause the the video and take a look

1231
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,920
at the faces of the people in those front rows.

1232
00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:49,039
The HBO executives. Frank Warren was his promoter at the time.

1233
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,400
I mean, they're they're like, oh my god, this is

1234
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,000
going to be a disaster. But Ahmed gets off the

1235
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:57,199
deck and then he okay. So they score a total

1236
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,960
of six knockdowns in four rounds. Both of the guys

1237
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,360
were down three times a piece. The Prince is down

1238
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,360
in the first round, the Prince is down in the

1239
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,719
second round, Kevin is down in the second round. They're

1240
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,440
down in the fourth round. But Kelly's down twice in

1241
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,199
the fourth round, which is when the fight is over

1242
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,639
and ended. An absolute shootout. He retains the title. There

1243
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:17,960
was a lot of talk in the immediate aftermath of

1244
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,519
a rematch which never actually took place. Kelly wanted it,

1245
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:22,679
Ahmed said he would do it. I'm sure that HBO

1246
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:24,920
would have been happy to televise it. It did not

1247
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,000
come to pass because I frankly don't think that men

1248
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:32,119
wanted to do that again. He was a tremendous puncher,

1249
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:33,920
one of the great punchers in boxing history of cound

1250
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,239
for pounds, certainly among featherweights, you know, up there with

1251
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,159
Sandy Sadler and some of the other great punchers in

1252
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:41,159
the featherweight division. But his problem was his defense was

1253
00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:43,719
not great. His balance was terrible, and so even though

1254
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,599
Kelly didn't hit him like with massive, massive shots, he

1255
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:48,119
was so off balance that he hit the deck.

1256
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,679
Speaker 1: When you go back and watch two a couple of times,

1257
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,239
two of the knockdowns he got caught and was off

1258
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,840
balanced or not and put the glove down. And when

1259
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,320
he put the glove down, that's a knockdown, and it

1260
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,079
was correctly called a knockdown. That fourth round sequence where

1261
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:05,559
he hit Kelly with a right hand that knocked him down,

1262
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,840
and Kelly is clearly hurt he's up and he's wobbling,

1263
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:11,679
and then Kelly's firing bombs back and he hit Jamed

1264
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,800
and HMED's glove touches the ground and now we're counting

1265
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,280
on Jhmed and Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant and George

1266
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,760
Foreman are going crazy and then lo and behold is

1267
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:23,719
As Kelly tries to move in to capitalize on the knockdown, bang,

1268
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:27,599
he gets hit again with a hard left and that

1269
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,880
was it because he tried to get up, he was

1270
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,800
on a knee, tried to get up, he was wobbly.

1271
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:35,239
It's done, and George Foreman very famously is yelling, the

1272
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,960
Prince is for real, this guy is for real.

1273
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: With that the power, the power that the Prince had

1274
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,639
was ridiculous. Now, the thing about this fight card was

1275
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:48,400
if because the mean event was so spectacular, so spectacular,

1276
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,719
like it's one of the I have to think about it,

1277
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,360
but it's arguably one of the top two or three

1278
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,239
four fights of the nineties. You know, off the top

1279
00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:59,199
of my head, you're talking about Buster douglasson Mike Tyson,

1280
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:03,559
chobb Is, a Melder, Taylor, Ahmed and Kelly, Like those

1281
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:05,079
are three fights that jump to mind in terms of

1282
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:06,679
you were picking like the fight of the nineties. I

1283
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:10,360
know the Ring Magazine, for example, I think picked Chobbs

1284
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,119
and Meldric as the fight of the nineties, but this

1285
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,360
was in that upper echelon for that whole decade. In

1286
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,920
any event, the co feature on this card was another

1287
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,599
tremendous fight that if it wasn't taking place on the

1288
00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:23,480
same night that Kelly and Ahmed went to war, I

1289
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,639
think this fight would be maybe more talked about, maybe

1290
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:28,400
more remembered. It was a junior featherweight world title fight

1291
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,760
WBO Junior Featherweight title and another tremendous matchup. You had

1292
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,400
the gold the Olympic medalist Kennedy McKinney taken on, then

1293
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:37,760
the title holder Junior Jones.

1294
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:44,719
Speaker 1: Say it the right way, Kennedy McKenny on poison Jones.

1295
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, but Jones who was a tremendous puncher and

1296
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:50,480
McKenny was a good puncher. Jones is coming off his

1297
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:53,320
back to back victories against Marco and Tonio Brera. And

1298
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,159
remember Kennedy and McKinney had lost the all time classic

1299
00:59:57,199 --> 00:59:59,400
to Barrera. But now these guys are going at each

1300
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,840
other and they put on a well of a fight,

1301
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,920
tremendous McKinney's down in round three, Joneses down in round four,

1302
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,719
and ended up being that Kenny and McKinney stop Junior

1303
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,400
in the fourth round to win the title in what

1304
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:11,599
was an upset. Now, both of these guys at one

1305
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:14,679
time were considered like future opponents for Ahmed. He never

1306
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,280
ended up fighting either one of them for different reasons.

1307
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,880
But unto itself, this was a great co feature. That

1308
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,199
was such a great night at the garden. I'm working

1309
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:24,960
at the Presence on Bulletin as a sportswriter in Bingham

1310
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,440
to New York, and that was one of those Saturday

1311
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,079
nights where I'm working, you know, a night shift like

1312
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,679
we typically did, taking high school scores and college scores

1313
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:35,119
and all that. And I definitely made a point not

1314
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:37,280
to find out the result of this fight. Had the

1315
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,039
thing taping on the old VCR, and when I finally

1316
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:42,280
got home from my ship being over in the newspaper office,

1317
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,440
I lived about, you know, maybe a mile or so

1318
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:47,880
if that from the office, I've somehow got away with

1319
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,760
not knowing the result. Came into my apartment, immediately rewound

1320
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,679
the tape and just watched it live without knowing the result.

1321
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:56,800
Like a fucking two o'clock in the morning. There you go,

1322
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,440
absolutely loving life because this was such a great fucking show.

1323
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: This is early days of the internet. Most people don't

1324
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,679
have a cell phone at this point, so it's easier

1325
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:07,480
to stay away when it really was that time.

1326
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was not like why I mean, people

1327
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:10,639
had it, but it wasn't like.

1328
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: Yes, near, not near what it would become even a

1329
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,519
couple of years later ninety nine, two thousand so. And

1330
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:19,000
I still remember that's Hamed showing up right at the

1331
01:01:19,159 --> 01:01:22,039
at the news conference when Wes Cindy Klawford were Cindy Crawford.

1332
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:25,199
He's going around because she was the hot model at

1333
01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:29,000
that time in the mid to late nineteen nineties. God,

1334
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,199
and that is again YouTube that up the doubleheader. I

1335
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:35,679
gotta go watch Memphis, Tennessee's Kennedy McKinney. I told you

1336
01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:38,000
the story before when they came and did the parade

1337
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:40,559
in Memphis after he won the gold medal in Soul

1338
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,519
in nineteen eighty eight. Young TJ was part of the

1339
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,639
parade route that was coming by because it was coming

1340
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:47,280
by my neighborhood where he was.

1341
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: This is such a great part. I just can't impress

1342
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:50,440
upon you enough.

1343
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: If you never saw that, right, go check that out

1344
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:56,239
from nineteen ninety seven, That was December nineteenth, nineteen ninety seven.

1345
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,199
So move forward to the next year, same day, same day,

1346
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:05,639
to December nineteenth of nineteen ninety eight, and that's Floyd

1347
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:11,800
Mayweather with a wipeout knockout, also on HBO, and then

1348
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,440
also a heavyweight co feature that you will also want

1349
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,880
to pay tribute to. So tell me about the doubleheader

1350
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,840
a year later, on the same day, on December nineteenth

1351
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:21,440
of nineteen ninety eight.

1352
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,559
Speaker 2: This is pretty boy, Floyd. This is not money Mayweather.

1353
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:28,039
This is Floyd still has a young champion, still a

1354
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:31,559
rising star, hasn't made the big money yet, hasn't been

1355
01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:35,480
the pound for pound king just yet. He has won

1356
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:38,880
the WBC's one hundred and thirty pound title in October

1357
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:42,119
of nineteen ninety eight. That was his eighth round stoppage

1358
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:45,039
of Gennaro Hernandez, who retired after taking a beating on

1359
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:47,960
the stool. The brother Rudy Hernandez, stopped the fight and

1360
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,239
Floyd wins the title. This is Gennaro's final fight. Had

1361
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,280
never lost in that weight class. Before only previous loss

1362
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,159
had been to Oscar Delaway in the lightweight division. So

1363
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:59,960
now Floyd is the champ and there's an opening on HBO.

1364
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,280
I forget exactly the particulars, but the bottom line was

1365
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:04,199
they were like, do you want to fight again before

1366
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:06,039
the end of the year, and Floyd was like yeah,

1367
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:08,760
and they brought him back, you know, less, like a

1368
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,000
little over two months later, like nine weeks later.

1369
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:13,679
Speaker 1: You know what that tells me on face value? Floyd

1370
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:15,239
wasn't making that much in the title fights.

1371
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:16,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was making a couple He was making a

1372
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:17,519
couple hundred thousand.

1373
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sixty days later, do you want another couple hundred grand? Yeah,

1374
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:21,280
one of the couple hundred.

1375
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,519
Speaker 2: But it was a great opportunity because Angel man Freddy,

1376
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,000
who was a top contender who had had a series

1377
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:29,320
of uh notable fights on HBO. This was a good,

1378
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,559
uh consider a good test. Everybody thought man Freddy was

1379
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,199
one of the top, you know, a couple of contenders

1380
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:36,840
in the weight class. He talked a big game and

1381
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:39,119
they made the match. And this was this took place

1382
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:42,760
in uh what was the the Mikasuki Indian gamings at

1383
01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:47,360
the tribal casino in the outskirts of Miami. Yeah, in Florida,

1384
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:48,679
and they I think it was like an a tent.

1385
01:03:48,679 --> 01:03:50,960
I don't even think they had like an actual uh

1386
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:54,079
Per arena. Anyway, this was the main event that I

1387
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:56,559
and Floyd Mayweather was in the match where a lot

1388
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:58,280
of people thought Man Freddy might have a chance to

1389
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,360
do some damage. He was considered a pretty good luncher,

1390
01:04:01,199 --> 01:04:04,360
but Floyd basically walked through him. This wee when Floyd,

1391
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,000
you know, he went to distance with a lot of guys,

1392
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:07,880
but at one hundred and thirty pounds. He also stopped

1393
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,039
the share fighters also, and he put it on angel Manfreddi,

1394
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,599
who complained about the stoppage. He was getting absolutely freaking

1395
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:16,559
tattooed where he got stopped in the second round. So

1396
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,679
that was for Floyd. Closed out a year where he

1397
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,280
fought six times, seven times. He fought a bunch of

1398
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,639
like you know fights in January, February, March, April he

1399
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:28,760
fought four in a row. Then he stepped up a

1400
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,760
couple months later in his first real quote unquote real

1401
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,159
fight against a guy named Tony Pepp. Then got the

1402
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:36,880
title fight against Gennaro and then fought angel Man Freddy,

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so he closed out a year from where he went

1404
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from fighting just like regular fights, you know, an eight

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01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,760
rounder to now being in a championship fight and then

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01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,920
defending the title. This was a huge year for the

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early part of Floyd's career. The man Freddie fig theory

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01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:52,119
was absolutely tremendous. And then he went on and had

1409
01:04:52,119 --> 01:04:54,639
a obviously a much longer rain in one hundred and

1410
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thirty pounds wake class, but the man Freddi win was

1411
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,280
a big one. Now, the undercard from this fight was,

1412
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at the time, you're talking about two of the very

1413
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top heavyweight contenders in this sport. This is a big

1414
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,760
time fight. This was an IBF heavyweight title the elimination fight,

1415
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,440
so the winner is gonna get a championship fight. This

1416
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:13,480
was the first fight between David Tua and Hassim Rockman,

1417
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:15,840
and I find great irony in the fact that even

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though David Tua stops Rockman in the tenth round, somewhat controversial,

1419
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,519
a lot of people thought that Rockman could have gone on. Nonetheless, too,

1420
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:24,760
it was a massive punch or against the knockout. They

1421
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,679
ended up fighting many years later on another high stakes fight.

1422
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:29,599
It turned out to be a draw, but the end

1423
01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:32,199
of the day, it was Rockman with a knockout loss

1424
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:34,400
and a if he draw against Tua, who was the

1425
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,639
guy that went on and became the heavyweight champion of

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01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:38,239
the world with the one punch knock that we talked

1427
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,360
about against Lennox Lewis. But it was David Tua, who

1428
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,079
had a series a bunch of top wins against all

1429
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,239
kinds of top heavyweight contenders, who only got one ever

1430
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,519
opportunity to fight for the title in his career. It

1431
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:53,000
was against the prime Lennox Lewis, the first heavyweight title

1432
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,800
fight that I ever covered in person at ringside, and

1433
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,320
he got schooled by Lennox Lewis on that night in

1434
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:00,800
two thousand and that was the only time he ever

1435
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,840
ever fought for the title. But in this particular he

1436
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,320
got the opportunity with a just a tremendous battle against

1437
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,920
Rockman David Tua. You know, and I've said it before

1438
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,840
on the show, I'm going to say it again for me,

1439
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at least of the last maybe thirty or forty years,

1440
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,760
probably the best heavyweight that never got a world title.

1441
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,000
Like if you went through all the top heavyweight contenders

1442
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,639
of guys who didn't win belts or pieces of the

1443
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:26,239
belt or the actual title whatever. He was the best

1444
01:06:26,239 --> 01:06:28,559
guy that never won a piece of the heavyweight title.

1445
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:30,280
And there's a lot a lot of guys in my

1446
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,159
opinion who are way worse than he was that ended

1447
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:34,760
up getting pieces of the title. Matter of fact, he

1448
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,679
knocked out a bunch of guys that went on to

1449
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:40,239
win titles. Rockman, he knocked out Olagnaskea. He knocked out

1450
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,760
John Ruiz in nineteen seconds. I mean, he had a

1451
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,800
tremendous resume for a heavyweight contender at that time. But

1452
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:49,840
this think about TJ. This would be pay per view

1453
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,559
probably today, But back then this was HBO's norm a

1454
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:55,880
heavyweight fight of significance between Rockman and Tua in the

1455
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,760
co feature for the heavyweight eliminator, and then the rising

1456
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,079
star Floyd Mayweather and his first defense at Win thirty

1457
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:03,679
against the legit number one contender who had a big

1458
01:07:03,719 --> 01:07:05,840
following and a big name in angel Man Freddy. And

1459
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,039
they put on a tremendous battle on both of those

1460
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:10,599
fights in terms of just the excitement and the anticipation

1461
01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:11,800
for both matchups.

1462
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: Love it good, nostalgia and are we about to see

1463
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:22,519
some memorable nostalgia for the lineal unified heavyweight title as

1464
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:26,920
Alexander Usik and Tyson Fury square off again in Saudi

1465
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,360
Arabia Saturday afternoon US time, Primetime in the UK middle

1466
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,159
of the night. In read, why don't we reconvene you

1467
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:37,280
and me on the bet Us Boxing Show one Eastern

1468
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,599
Time on Friday and we shall handicap again, I say,

1469
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:43,880
sincerely to the audience. I don't know as we put

1470
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,280
the pod to bed what you're picking, and you don't

1471
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,719
know what I'm picking. And we'll try to kind of

1472
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,360
keep it quiet until right before showtime on what we're picking.

1473
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,480
We got to tell each other what we're picking. When

1474
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:56,559
we tell the bet Us people, it's impossible to stay

1475
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:58,280
away from we don't do the beginning of the pre

1476
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,519
show meeting with a blindfold on an airplace, Xam, we

1477
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:02,880
got to know. But I don't know what you think,

1478
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:05,159
and you hear and you don't know what I think.

1479
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:07,000
And I can for one Eastern time.

1480
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,679
Speaker 2: I let the folks know how that works is you

1481
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,840
send me the up to date numbers and I give

1482
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,679
you my picks us like an hour or two before

1483
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:16,920
the show. That's right, I don't so you know my

1484
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:17,960
picks at that.

1485
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: Moment because I want to tell them, right, I have

1486
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,479
to feel that to bet us, right.

1487
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: So then the bet Us people are are producers that

1488
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,520
do such a great job. They put together the graphic

1489
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,520
and then they'll send out the message. So it's maybe

1490
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,159
like I don't know half an hour twenty minutes before

1491
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:34,359
the show where I actually see the graphic, So I

1492
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:34,760
don't know.

1493
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,119
Speaker 1: You frequently say what an idiot reeves is again when

1494
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,479
you see that thirty minutes before the show. So yes,

1495
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,560
so right now you don't know. But but on Friday,

1496
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,239
one Eastern time, be with us because we'll be talking

1497
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:51,119
more about this and the historical impact, et cetera. I

1498
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:53,960
will pose this not only for the bet Us show,

1499
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,920
but for the recapped pod that we're going to do

1500
01:08:55,960 --> 01:09:00,479
after this is over. If Usik wins, is it possible?

1501
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,199
If not likely, he's done because what else is there

1502
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:06,840
to do? We will ponder that he's got to win first.

1503
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: And if wins, do they fight a third fight?

1504
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:12,399
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, that's true too. All right, nice stuff here

1505
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,399
on the preview pod. Let's reconvene, shall we one Eastern

1506
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:17,600
time on the US Boxing Show And then a recap

1507
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,000
pod on this podcast feed off the weekend Good that

1508
01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:23,840
was Good. There is Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeves follow.

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01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,720
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01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,039
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01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:37,079
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