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Speaker 6: Here we are again.
Speaker 7: Welcome everyone to mc maloney's Military XA show here in
the distant thunder way. This is Macloney. What a show
we have you tonight, broadcasting live from the Stobby Galley Restaurant,
fifty five Water Street and New report in Massachusetts, great seafood,
Great Hamburg is in a great steak and cheese Sammy.
Interesting show tonight, But first let me introduce the colled Conspirators. Girls.
You've been feeling his vibe now for about five or
six weeks. Yes, that's what it is. And now he's
still here, still here, not deported yet, So get back,
get your h never say never though, get your fan,
get your box of Kleenics, your big box of wipes.
You're squeezing your little by No, I'm leaving something out,
but I just don't want to tell you that he's there.
The very famous walm one.
Speaker 6: Hello everybody, Hello Mac, Hello gang, Good to see everybody.
And I'm happy to be here and happy to be anywhere.
But it's a beautiful day and it's going to beautiful show. Okay,
good to know. Yeah, how'd you spend your afternoon when
you're at the beach sunning yourself? Oh I wish no,
I was messing around with your technology. Situation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was bad, but you fixed it. Thank you.
Speaker 6: Yes, you're welcome.
Speaker 7: Also here with us in the mobile studio is a
produce or engineer, be keeper.
Speaker 6: You showed you to say that?
Speaker 7: Why you replace the forty thousand you murdered? And uh,
you know everything else? Ulco a case fall.
Speaker 6: Hey Macilo, everybody, what's really well?
Speaker 8: What you do?
Speaker 7: How'd you spend in the afternoon stunning yourself on the beach?
Speaker 9: Actually I had a bunch of work to do in
the morning, but I did manage to get on the
deck with a few beers.
Speaker 7: And did you really fly out.
Speaker 6: In the sun, you know, on the deck?
Speaker 7: Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I have this life is doing to lose my phone?
Speaker 9: Five foot walls on the deck so it keeps the
wind away and it's private.
Speaker 6: So you go out there, that's a good job. On
the fence to it, it's almost backed into it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you won't be the first of the last. Well,
I should give you fifty bucks now from whatever.
Speaker 6: It seems so close to Max driveway.
Speaker 7: That's what I said, but it's actually three feet almost
back from my boundary anyway. Also with us is our
senior international correspondent down there on my sister's tank to
West Virginia. Switchblade Steve Ward switchy.
Speaker 4: Great to be here tonight.
Speaker 7: Okay, he's got that black shirt on looking very professorial.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a month man shirt disclosure.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, no glasses tonight, No glasses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 7: There you go.
Speaker 4: Caro would not be able to read my fringe report
without them. I just would have to wing it.
Speaker 7: Carol Channing, what a great entertainer. Thank you, switch raining
my pleasure. Also with us, laughing up a storm is
our senior international security chief, Willie Club see the one.
Speaker 6: The only.
Speaker 8: That's I'm mouthful, isn't it?
Speaker 7: Well that's what she said, No listen.
Speaker 8: Well, well, anyways, I just don't know where the time goes.
You know, we're back here again in like three days.
I don't understand.
Speaker 6: It does seem like that this great to be back again.
Speaker 8: Yeah it does. And it takes three days forward to
a big, big show tonight.
Speaker 7: Well, don't send the bar that high.
Speaker 8: Well, I'd like to like to make it sound good anyway, Okay,
all right, that's good.
Speaker 7: Also with us, Also with is our biggest fan down
in North Carolina, if not South Carolina. It's Susan, kay,
super k how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? How else could should I be when
I'm here with you?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 7: I would love to take that, you know, I would
love that. But what's going on over your shoulder? What
is going on up there?
Speaker 2: Is he playing the cello?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Why is he?
Speaker 7: Is he ever doing anything other than that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: One here? That's in a cat coma? Okay then yeah, sorry.
At least they're not here in front of you.
Speaker 7: And there are no cap policy on the show.
Speaker 4: Well there are meerkats?
Speaker 6: Do we really adhere to that? Here we go?
Speaker 7: There we go? Oh wo wow over well, thank you
Susan everywhere everywhere, that's the problem. Also joining us up
there in Wisconsin, it's our good friend Brandy. Brandy with
a little hot over the eye, Brandy, how are you great?
Speaker 5: Thank you for letting me be here.
Speaker 7: You both look very fashionable tonight. I'm talking about Susan
in Susan has the one one handgoing as always, and
there's enough enough of it to block out that cap
play in the cell.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 7: Randy has a very cool hat on and classes looking
like she might meet her in the library or something.
Speaker 6: When you say it want or it being a stand
in for a Woody Woody Allen movie.
Speaker 7: Oh really, yeah you didn't say Woody Ellen, but yeah,
like Andy Hall.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there you go. I can see that Dan Keaton
stand in. Yeah yeah, right, what do you think? What
do you think?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Okay, so thanks for basically stand in for Woody Allen.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, I'm thinking, who can I accuse?
Speaker 6: Anyway?
Speaker 7: Brandy, thanks for joining us. How's everything up there in
the offful?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, it's so warm, it's unbearably warm.
Speaker 6: Really, what's warm there?
Speaker 7: Sixty?
Speaker 5: It's eighty?
Speaker 7: Really?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, yes, it's it's supposed to cool off by tomorrow,
but we'd love eighty.
Speaker 7: We haven't seen eighty this year. One one has come home.
It's been English weather. He literally brought the weather with it.
Speaker 6: Literally, it's been crappy.
Speaker 5: Well send it this way. I have to say I've
been very you know, honored to have been feeling ones
vibe for a few weeks.
Speaker 7: Now, okay, sure, that's it?
Speaker 6: All right? Yeah? Okay, Wow, that's me bringing the heat.
Speaker 7: That's okay if you say so. Also one of these
that can perfect wow? Okay, Well let's talk a little
bit about the show tonight. Uh, we're going to hear
from Brandy on something called the stigmato, which is always
very interesting to me, where you can have such a
deep religious belief that this happens to some people, that
the wounds that Jesus suffered, you know, on Good Friday,
they appear on your hands and your feet, in your side,
and it's just an incredible example of mind no a matter,
I think. And then we're gonna be talking a switch
about Switchy where we talk to you about well.
Speaker 4: It said it's coming from a book called UFO Hostilities
the Evil Alien Agenda, which is you know, sounds like
one of the Timothy Green Beckley's books, and in fact
it is, Oh yeah, okay, and so it's filled with anyway,
it's going to be specifically on the research of a
gentleman named George G. Fawcett, who was an investigator back
in the old days, and he is actually the guy
that inspired Tim Beckley when he was just a teenager
to get into all this.
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, right, okay, So Tim and Tim Schwartz was
they used to put projects together, right, was that the
other Tim.
Speaker 4: Yes, Tim Schwartz who's been on this show several times.
They did a great show called Exploring the Bazaar. Yeah, yeah,
I was on a few times and it was so
much fun because it was it was done live, yes,
and the opening was so good. It was time to
take back the night and you hear this huge thunderclap.
Speaker 7: They're very good. Uh so one of them passed away though, correct, Yes,
Tim Beckley, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were. I have so
many of his books. He was a great publisher and
some of it was a little cheesy. Uh, some of
it was.
Speaker 4: I mean he had Nick Redfern published stuff and Jenny Randall,
so it was it ran the gambit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were two funny guys, very entertaining
and very educational too. So that's what we're going to
hear from Sweet And last week we ran into an
interesting couple out at the bar after the show and
they promised they were going to stop by. So we're
going to see surprise guests. Surprise guests. There'll be a
surprise if they show up on the other side of
the wall here. So Susie, kay, what is your staff?
Speaker 2: Okay, I have top ten one one left for you today.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, we can do the bit cool. Okay,
so it's might modify the title a little bit. Top
ten dumb things one one has done since coming back
to the night.
Speaker 4: Now, should I have a question? Should club turn off
his ear plugs? He doesn't have to suffer through a
top ten list, it's up to him.
Speaker 8: You I've already ready for it.
Speaker 7: You're already ready for it. Yes, it's like he's already.
Speaker 8: I'll be going doctoring that.
Speaker 7: He's already got the novacate. So well, without further ado, Susan,
this is uh top ten dumb things one one has
done since coming back to the USA, Please number ten, Susan.
Speaker 2: Number ten foolishly paid off bar tab to Dave, only
to find out that Mac and Uncle Al have been
hitting it every Tuesday since he left for the UK.
Speaker 6: So he's wrecking it up. I knew it behind my back.
Speaker 9: We thought you'd want to buy us a future. We
never thought you were going to come back, so we
didn't really think it was going to be a problem.
Speaker 7: Yeah, damn it. Number nine, Please number nine.
Speaker 2: In return for driving him to get his license, one,
let Agent X borrow his new car. It was last
seen three days ago crossing the border at Tijuana.
Speaker 7: They called you.
Speaker 6: That's a good thing.
Speaker 7: I didn't need to see good thing I did.
Speaker 6: Number eight.
Speaker 2: Please number eight he contacted Lois one day before the
restraining order ran out.
Speaker 7: He was still on British time.
Speaker 6: Right into the wire.
Speaker 7: There please.
Speaker 2: Number seven, He asked Switch for hair group advice.
Speaker 7: Sorry Switch, Sorry, that's why tippity do.
Speaker 6: That's what you need tippity do. I like that.
Speaker 7: Next please, Number six.
Speaker 2: He should have bought his Lily James sex doll slash
robot before the tariffs kicked in.
Speaker 6: Another opportunity missed, he said, they tear in his eyes.
Speaker 7: Okay, this is top ten dumb things. One one is done.
Just coming back to the United States. Number five.
Speaker 2: Number five he tried to order spotted dick and the
waitress slapped him wrong.
Speaker 6: Bar Wow had a big laugh.
Speaker 2: They asked, that's my material.
Speaker 4: Number four is the four number four.
Speaker 2: He thought club's code name was funny Bone, when we
all know it's sunny Doodle.
Speaker 7: Sunny Doodles Drake's Okay, next please Number three.
Speaker 2: He asked Uncle Al to explain to him how bees
reproduce and do they get kinky.
Speaker 6: I always like to like to learn about the birds
and the beest. Now you got the beast covered and
you're on your own with the birds that filthy Christians
number two.
Speaker 2: Please number two. He returned Rudy's love letter six months.
Speaker 8: To mate.
Speaker 6: A love lost and Rudy Rudy and.
Speaker 2: The number ones. Stupid thing that one one has done
since coming back to the USA, and it's actually a threesome.
He thinks ice is a new kind of vodka. He
thinks Dode is a new kind of car, and he
thinks he's going to enjoy himself on his upcoming vacation
to Pantanamo Days.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's get.
Speaker 7: The shoes, the brains behind out. You've already been to Gitmo, right.
Speaker 8: Stupus, and you did a great job on a very
limited gender.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 8: Wow, you know it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't you know?
Speaker 6: You have?
Speaker 8: You really made that shine. But I got to tell you,
it's been a while since we've had top ten, and
I really thought things would improve, but unfortunately it's still
you know, down the toilet with it.
Speaker 6: Oh really?
Speaker 8: Okay, all right, I hate to be frank, but I
have to. Okay, So I'm representing listeners here. Sunny Doodles
has spoken, thank you.
Speaker 6: Well, we'll take that opinion. Under advisement, right.
Speaker 7: While we, uh, why don't we take a break again another,
I mean, take a break and welcome back, and who
knows what fun we'll await us. Okay, all right, take
a vote?
Speaker 6: All right?
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Speaker 6: DIY God, and I just kept going on and on
about myself. I'm taking a leak in the driveway. I
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Speaker 7: Wow Wow Wow Wow, we're back. We're listening to well,
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Speaker 6: Who's doing about music? Is that Wang Chung or.
Speaker 7: Something that's not Wang Chun? No, that is Holy Ghost,
Holy ghost from uh looka good I believe from Brooklyn
or East New York City. Anyway, welcome back. We're doing
the show live tonight from a galley restaurant and new
we put. I forgot the address of that for a second,
fifty five Water Street, thew we put masks, great seafood,
great hamburger and a great steak and cheese sammy and
great onion rings right.
Speaker 6: The rings that to die for. I'm a huge onion
ring fan. I go to carnivals. I go to carnivals
and fairs just for the Indian rings that I believe.
I pay my admission to go right to the end
ring place. If they're good, if they have the frozen
kind of throw them in a friar. I want the
hand doed sick as a brick. I mean, these donuts
are like and these rings are like donuts.
Speaker 7: Yes, I love those, speaking of vining rings. Producer engineer,
beekeeper that's allowed to get these fouls here?
Speaker 6: Hey Mac? Everybody?
Speaker 7: Hell well, hey, what can you give us a B report?
In twenty seconds? Bees were installed Friday.
Speaker 9: Whether it was terrible, I didn't see them until Monday.
Speaker 6: But they're flying, so they're around. They just didn't feel
like you have been doing anything.
Speaker 9: Yeah, screw the It's just like forty thousand bees and
two boxes in the yard and you're like, well, I
know there's bees in there, but I don't see them.
Speaker 7: They all know each other.
Speaker 6: No, they don't know. They don't know any each other
from Adam. No.
Speaker 7: I mean, will they know in the world?
Speaker 6: Will they will?
Speaker 9: As soon as once they get the queen released out
of the little cage she's in, they'll her pheromone will
have permeated the hive, and then they'll know that she's
there queen and they'll accept her and be very happy.
Speaker 6: And that's kind of like a high school dance. I
can't remember that whole relationship. The queen over there and
all the little worker bees are just you know, well.
Speaker 7: You were wondering if the bees have again, Kinky. You've
heard the songs the birds and the bees.
Speaker 6: Yeah, see they're all right now, everybody's talking.
Speaker 9: She's she's locked up in a little cage that they
have to chew through a chunk of hard candy, which
takes them three or four days until they can get
to her. And by the time they get to her,
they'll accept her or they'll kill her. But so hopefully
her pheromone is strong enough that it placates them and
they say, oh, wow, you're the queen.
Speaker 6: We're cool.
Speaker 9: Come on out, come on, let's go down in here.
When you start laying eggs and moving us forward.
Speaker 6: Wow. Okay, do you.
Speaker 4: Guys remember the Outer Limits episode in the old black
and white version with the bees. The bees are intelligent
and they get together and then they create a woman
walk along among us? Remember that one wrong, Johanna Frank
I think played the It was bizarre.
Speaker 7: They created a woman. She looked like a woman.
Speaker 4: I just looked like she looked pretty good actually for
a lot of beads being a b woman.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 9: Well, actually, Steve, speaking of Twilight Zone, yesterday, I just
turned the TV on and I happened to hit the
Terror at twenty thousand feet with William Shat Oh yeah,
they immediately after. Yeah, and immediately after was to serve Man.
Great talk about two of them. Yeah, excellent. Uh, let's see,
so thank you all. He gave us a b update
also with us did I introduce switch already?
Speaker 7: Thank you? Uh? Switch? Place his switch lay Steve Wood
down there south of the Mason Dixon line. And what's
your background there?
Speaker 6: That's the uh uh.
Speaker 4: These are bags of Mothman potato chips, which are becoming
very popular in this area.
Speaker 6: I'll bet.
Speaker 7: And what's the what's the just between that and the
regular potato chip? Anything good?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: The tastically he's kind of like barbecue. But it's their
their own special recipe.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, and a fancy bag. Yeah, it's a
collector's edition.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, you send them out to your fans. Is that
what I heard? Overheard?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: A former uh host co host, Yeah, mcmully's Military X
Files ahead. She saw my image I posted I sent
you her and she said, I want Monkman potato chips?
Speaker 6: So is that all?
Speaker 7: Is that all it takes?
Speaker 4: Well? Yeah, I'll get a little well what else would
it take?
Speaker 6: I mean, come on, we'll just slide five or ten.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: I mean, if if we wanted someone, we would just say, switch,
we want some just a minute.
Speaker 4: Let's not let's not push it. Push made the money.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's called the Chips and Dip relationship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, kid, the Chips fall where they met something.
Speaker 7: Thank you switch if you joining us. Also with us
laughing up the storm is as International Security Chief Willie
Club Willy Sunny Doodles. There'll be good gangster name of
the street Sunny Doodles. Ope, he's going okay. Also with
us is Uh Susan Kay. I have favorite big fan
down there with North Kilb. Susan.
Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, thank you so much for me. It's nice
to see you all.
Speaker 6: Nice to see you, Susan.
Speaker 7: And how are the Husses one and two?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Thank you so much for asking.
Speaker 7: Okay, did you have that one? Have an exorcism on
that one? I got the bbis.
Speaker 2: I didn't have to, So I had to go out
like al said and tell the demon to leave me
alone or that they weren't wanted here and kind of
break the spell. But his eyes are back.
Speaker 7: To normal mamors, so okay, all right. Kind of stuff works.
Also with us up there in Wisconsin as a good friend. Brandy. Thanks,
how are you Brandy?
Speaker 5: Hello, I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, hey you asked you how you slept?
Speaker 5: It was a restless night?
Speaker 7: Really? Why?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 6: But just listen to one of the old chills. But
you ridn't believe you said it was eighty. We're doing that.
I know, that's cool. Show prep. Yeah, yeah, eighty in Wisconsins.
Never get eight eighting.
Speaker 7: That's high up there.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So anyway, we're all here, right, club? Well, this club,
I thought he's been away in a snit. Now did
you get upset? Yeah?
Speaker 8: No, you know, every once in a while, I don't
know what happens, but you know it's just boom.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: There must be some kind of a gremlin here. Yeah,
but anyways, I did want to bring up I'm looking
at the Morthman bags there. What's it marth me and droppings?
Speaker 7: Yeah no, no no, it says with droppings potato chips,
some with and some without.
Speaker 8: It says mark and droppings. Well, anyways, I mean, if
if you know the droppings are good for you, I
try digeons.
Speaker 7: So I try to help you the club. Well, okay,
well now I want some well glove, So why do
we do this? Brandy has a report for us. Correct Brandy,
and we should say that they'll be doing this thing,
you know, for the next who knows when the Holy paranormal.
There's a lot of stories that people take. They look
at them from a religious angle, let's say, unusual paranormal miraculus,
that type of stuff, and if you sometimes you take
the religion out, it's a UFO sighting. But there's a
lot of things that happened in this kind of religious
world that are really strange. Exorcisms are perfect example.
Speaker 6: I mean, look at all the things Moses had to
do it. It's all you look at it. Look at
the guy.
Speaker 7: Gerry, Moses, the catcher, just do the rest anyway, Moses.
Speaker 6: I love that movie.
Speaker 7: So so Brandy is going to be joining us, you know,
every week with people what the holy paranormal? What do
you think of that name?
Speaker 5: Any love it?
Speaker 7: Okay, we got a bumper in the works. So tonight
we're talking about the stigma, which is something that's always
incredibly fascinating. So take it away, all right.
Speaker 5: Well, first I want to say that I used several
resources for the information here and I want to say
what they are so that people know they're legit. The
Catholic Education Resource Center, the King James Bible, the British
Medical Journal, the Lancet Bible Gateway, a documentary video called
Stigmata The Wounds of Mystery, and an extremely fascinating book
called Irreducible Mind by Edward and Emily Williams. Kelly.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's a good bibliography. I've never heard of that last.
No one has ever read.
Speaker 7: Off a bibiliography on this show nine and a half years.
Speaker 6: But any fact checkers out.
Speaker 5: There, well, I want people to know this is legit.
Speaker 4: So okay, I just make my stuff up.
Speaker 13: Cloth you you're doing Tim Beckley, So okay, all right,
well okay, So starting out with the term stigmata, it
comes from the Latin word stigma, which is really from
the Greek word stigma, which means a brand or a mark,
and stigmata is the plural of stigma, and stigmata has
come to be the term used by the Church.
Speaker 5: The Catholic religion defines stigmata as the spontaneous appearance of
the wound marks of the crucified Christ that appear on
a person's body and they include wounds on the backs
and the palms of the hands, on the tops and
the soles of the feet, wounds on the side of
the body. There could be wounds on the head, like
around the head as if from a crown of thorns.
There could be lash marks on the back or wounds
on the shoulders. And in rare cases, blood can come
from someone's eyes like tears.
Speaker 6: Did they come from the wound to any of them?
Speaker 5: Yes, so just I'm sorry, go ahead, No.
Speaker 7: I was just no, go ahead, I have I'm writing
down some questions, but this is great.
Speaker 6: Go ahead.
Speaker 5: So for people that don't know the Christian religion, it
teaches that Jesus was crucified, which in which he was
hung on a cross to die for blasphemy, and he
was given a moniker kind of as an insult called
King of the Jews. Prior to its crucifixion. He whipped
and then he was made to wear a crown of
thorns to mock that King of the Jews title that
he was given. He was then forced to carry the
cross up the hill where he was either nailed to
it or tied to it, depending on your belief, and
he then suffered there for three hours until he died,
and this happened on Good Friday. And upon his death,
the Bible says that a Roman soldier pierced his side
and blood and water immediately came flowing out of him.
So that's kind of the nutshell of the crucifixion. So
a person that develops the stigmata is called a stigmatic,
and a stigmatic could develop a wound in just one place,
or they could develop the wounds in multiple places, or
they could develop all of the wounds that Jesus suffered,
and they could have temporary wounds where they just appear
once for a short time and never appear again. Or
they could have the wounds at various intervals, kind of
like on Holy Days maybe for example. Or they could
have the wounds permanently. And I have a couple of
cases of that to mention. Go ahead.
Speaker 7: I mean, I just get asked. So this is.
Speaker 6: I can't imagine living with it permanently.
Speaker 7: The mind of a matter is just off the chants.
When you think about it. You know that you could
if you could do this to yourself, what else can
you do? You know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Well, that's if you're assuming that it is yourself doing it?
Speaker 7: How else would it would be.
Speaker 6: Some some other external force. That's uh, but it has
to very religious people. Yeah, and maybe there's a religious
higher power that wow, please go ahead.
Speaker 5: Ryan, Okay, all right. The wounds can appear to be
just subtle marks. They could appear as blisters, they could
be abrasions, or they could actually be open bleeding wounds.
And in some cases bleeding has been observed coming from
unbroken skin.
Speaker 7: Yeah really so really yeah, so think about that. How
can you most of the whatever makes yourself tick into
doing something like that. I mean, it's a lot of
deep concentrated loot.
Speaker 6: Well, the energy has a lot of power, and there's
a lot of power in other people's bodies and energies
around you. So maybe there's a gathering as energy from
some religious entity that's focused on you or wherever the
victim might be.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, this is go ahead. This is not a
pleasant thing to have, or is it.
Speaker 5: Uh, it doesn't sound like it. It sounds like the
people that have it actually are suffering and in pain.
And I didn't include any of these examples, but there
are examples of people who claim to have the stigma up.
But we can't see it, so they claim they're feeling
all of the pain in the areas of Christ's wounds,
but there's no visible signs of any of it.
Speaker 7: Like phantom pain, phantom pain something. Yeah, so and so
you you mentioned that in your research. You it was
a British medical journal. What's the you know, is there
a medical explanation.
Speaker 5: For Actually, yeah, I am going to talk about some
of the considerations of what this could be and I
can get to that right now.
Speaker 7: Okay, no, no, no, just go go, you know, build
the way that you were presenting it. It's cool, are
you sure? Yeah, sure, that'd be the punchline.
Speaker 6: Good.
Speaker 5: Okay. It is interesting to note that the majority of
recognized stigmatics are female and Catholic, even though a lot
of the more famous stigmatics in history are men. There
have been about three hundred documented cases of genuine stigmata
that are recognized by the Catholic Church, and the majority
are female, and the Catholic Church has developed multiple criteria
for determining whether or not the stigmata is genuine. Number one,
they have to be not random wounds, but they have
to conform to the wounds of Jesus.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay.
Speaker 5: Number two, they will bleed, especially on days association with
the Crucifixion, like Holy Feast days or during Lent or
on Fridays.
Speaker 7: Or on How does that work? How does it know?
How does it on accoulend? I mean that is the
whole process is really weird. Okay, go ahead, please.
Speaker 5: Well it's I'm as we get into this, I'm wondering
if it's kind of like maybe amplified by other people knowing,
by other people thinking about Christ suffering at the same
time that the smatic is thinking about it.
Speaker 7: I don't know, collective consciousness.
Speaker 5: Maybe. Another criteria is that the wounds will bleed clean
blood rather than infectious blood, and some reports have even
been documented of the blood smelling like flowers.
Speaker 7: Wow. Okay, that's okay, I never heard that.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 5: Number four, the wounds will not as a person to
become weak from blood loss, no matter how much they lose.
Number five, the wounds will appear suddenly rather than gradually,
and then if they disappear, they will disappear just as
suddenly and often leave no scarring.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 7: That's almost uh crazy, not possible? Physical one, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 7: I mean, how do you how do you have an
open wound and then it heals and there's no scar.
That's the way the body works. Yeah, wow, just speed
it up. Wow wow.
Speaker 5: And the last criteria is that the wounds cannot be
healed by typical medical intervention.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, that's interesting. Okay. Huh so that it's mostly
females who us and uh there's so so you know,
and you know, please go on, but like, are there
is there some pot of the world that has more
of this than others? I mean, if there's more in
Europe and not in America, then it's maybe a cultural thing.
Speaker 5: As I was doing research, a lot of the cases
that were given as examples did happen in Europe. But
I don't know if that's just because that's who happened
to write about it.
Speaker 7: But you you have to be a religious person. This
just doesn't hit someone over the head who's not into religion. Right.
Speaker 5: The majority of people are Catholic, and I would say
I didn't come across an example of somebody who had
no knowledge of the Crucifixion that had the stigmata, So you.
Speaker 7: Have to know. Okay, all right, glad, please sprint.
Speaker 5: Okay, So what was the first example of stigmata. There
is a mention of stigmata in the Bible. In Galatians,
chapter six, verse seventeen. The apostle Paul is quoted as saying,
from henceforth, let no man trouble me, for I bear
in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus. And
the word that was used for the word marx was stigmata.
So it has been debated whether or not Paul actually
exhibited the physical marks of stigmata, which may be possible
that the verse was literal, but the Christian tradition does
not teach that Paul actually had the physical markings and
doesn't give that translation to the passage, so they don't
recognize him as actually having the stigmata. So the first
confirmed stigmatic that was recognized by the Church was Saint
Francis of Assisi. He founded the Franciscan Order. He lived
from eleven eighty one to twelve twenty six.
Speaker 7: Love the animals, right, That guy isn't the saints of animals.
Speaker 5: He was from a wealthy family, but he gave up
his upper class life to become a monk, and he
during his life was frail and often very sick. During
prayer in twelve twenty four, he begged to share in
the suffering of Jesus in order to know Jesus better.
And one month later, on the feast Day of the
Holy Cross, he had a vision of Jesus coming to
him and displaying the wounds of the crucifixion, and Saint
Francis claimed that the love and suffering of the Crucifixion
poured into him. Call it a download, you know, but
that at that moment he instantly developed the stigmata. He
had it on his hands and feet. He tried to
hide the wounds from the other monks, but he couldn't.
They didn't tell anybody outside of the monastery, and Saint
Francis lived with the wounds until his death two years later,
and then the monastery made that public that he had
had the Stigmatoy.
Speaker 7: Wow, wow, here's a famous saint to that. Kiny wow.
I mean you, I can't think of anything other than that.
You are so into this part of the Catholic religion law,
and you're so concentrated that you know, you know, Good
Friday is coming up in three days, you know, two days,
one day, and boom, and then it appears. I mean,
how does it happen?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the fact that he was begging to share
in Jesus's suffering.
Speaker 7: You know who would do that? I mean, frankly, I
hate to use the snare drum and this story, but
you know what, what what what's what's what's the point
beyond that?
Speaker 6: Why would you want to.
Speaker 5: Maybe to be more connected to Jesus to understand the
sacrifice that he made?
Speaker 7: Okay, all right? I thought given the missions a cultural thing. Yeah,
it's a culture Go ahead please, Okay.
Speaker 5: So, probably the most famous stigmatic is Padre Pio, who
was born in eighteen eighty seven in southern Italy. His
parents were peasant farmers. His real name was Francesco Forgione,
and by the age of five he knew he wanted
to be a priest, and he also was very sickly.
As a child, he had severe gastro enritis, he had
typhoid fever, he was sent to a monastery for friars
of ill health, and as a young adult he suffered
from insomnia, migraines, fainting, intestinal problems and their ailments. He
actually had a lot of other events in his life
that we would consider paranormal or supernatural. So I'll probably
mention him again on another week. But as far as
the stigmata goes, in nineteen eighteen, he had a vision
during which he felt the piercing wound of Jesus on
his side, and after the vision ended, he actually had
a wound on his side. And then one month later,
like Saint Francis, was a month apart, padre Pio developed
the wounds of Christ on his hands and feet, and
it is said that he at times lost a cup
of blood per day, but the wounds remained constant and
neither healed nor festered, and reportedly he had the scent
of flowers accompanying his wounds.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 5: So it turned out that he then became a healer
and people flocked to him to heal their afflictions, and
he continued to have the stigmata reportedly until his death
in nineteen sixty eight, so allegedly he had it for
fifty years.
Speaker 7: Wow. Wow, I've heard of that guy. Yeah, he did
a lot of really interesting you know, I keep using
that word, but a lot of freaky things. I'm blown
away by this. I mean, you know, I've heard about it,
but the more you think about it, it's like, what
could you do? I keep thinking if you are such
a religious person that you can cause open wounds on
your hand, you're using a part of your brain.
Speaker 6: That if the individual is doing it on himself, I
don't know if that's truly the case.
Speaker 7: Well, let's say he is, okay, and what could you
do if you just concentrated on something else as extremely
as you know, what could you do? I mean you
can close wounds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you should be able to walk through the wall.
Speaker 7: Or something, you know, a fly or something, or heal people,
yeah something, Yeah, okay, please.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's a silly question.
Speaker 4: Mark.
Speaker 6: I've read the.
Speaker 7: Club.
Speaker 8: I've read that people also suffer from that, that suffer
from getting those wounds that are not asking for them.
Speaker 7: Really yeah, yeah, just out of the blow.
Speaker 8: So it's not just people who were praying for from
that have no call, yeah, to get that, But that
compares to the number of people that pray the almost want.
There's also a fact that.
Speaker 6: Yeah I like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, did Susan have a question?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Susan, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, So it's probably still a question. But so
they bandaged them, right, So are they just bleeding through
the bandages at times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they in the case of hydri po
I'll bring it up later. But they save the bandages
and people, you know, they give them to people as
as healing relics. I guess, right, So.
Speaker 7: They would a bandage them, but they the wounds wouldn't
go away, right right, they would.
Speaker 2: Just be they don't stop the bleeding. Because I've heard
of this, but not not in this detail. And I
know there was an X Files episode about it, which
is pretty cool. But this is awesome. Thank you. I
just didn't know when you said they had them for
a long period of time, I'm like, well, don't they
bandage them.
Speaker 7: It'll be tough, like at lunch and dinner. Wow, go ahead, grandy, Okay.
Speaker 5: So so another famous stigmatic from the first part of
the twentieth century is named Teresa Neumann. She was from
a veryan farming village and she developed the wounds in
her hands, feet and on her side, and her eyes
bled tears of blood, and her bleeding would intensify every Friday,
I guess. In homage to Good Friday. It is claimed
that she survived for years ingesting nothing but communion hosts,
which is the communion wafer that you receive. One of
the things about the stigmatics is that a lot of
them lose their appetite. So when these people, I don't
know if that was the case. I'm sure it wasn't
for Padre Pio being fifty years with the affliction. But
you know, when these people have this for years and
years and can't eat, There've been examples that I ran
across where people had feeding tubes because they couldn't eat
because they lost their their appetite. Right, yeah, sure, So
this this terres a Noyman. She would enter during during
the Fridays when she when her affliction would intensify, she
would enter a kind of trance, and in her trance
she would begin speaking in Aramaic, which she never formally learned,
which I believe is the language that Jesus was said
to have spoken.
Speaker 7: You see that the other day, not the other I'm sorry,
But like about a year ago, the pope who has
now died, the pope who just died, met with now
who the Israeli guy, and he goes we have a
lot of we have a lot of common. You know,
Jesus lived among now he spoke Hebrew, and the pope
caest Aromatic, which was the language back.
Speaker 5: Okay, so pilgrims constantly. After Teresa's stigmata became known, Pilgrim's
flocked to her village to witness what they regarded as
a miracle, and she continued to have all of her
stigmata for thirty six years until she died in nineteen
sixty two. Okay. One other example from the late twentieth
century was a stigmatic from Derbyshire, England, who was a
twenty nine year old woman and her name was Jane Hunt.
She claimed that she saw a vision of Jesus on
her pillow, and then the next day, which happened to
be the Feast of Saint James, she reported feeling an
unbearable pain in her hands, as if someone was driving
nails through them, and then her hands started to bleed,
but there were no punctures that could be seen. They
continued to bleed, and the bleeding intensified on Sundays and
became more extreme on Easter Sunday, and then her feet
developed stigmata, and then she began to feel an intense
pain on her right side and she began to experience
visions of the blessed Virgin Mary and she and guests
to her house reported that her house smelled of roses,
even though there were no roses in her house roses.
Jane believed that the stigmata was a sign of her
healing powers, and she began to heal people kind of
with a laying on of hands kind of. And the
weird I mean, I guess the other weird aspect of
her stigmata was that two years after she developed it,
she had to have a full hysterectomy, and she recovered
from that procedure, but she no longer had the stigmata
after that procedure.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 5: So there are a bunch of other examples, but those
are just a few that I chose to talk.
Speaker 6: About any clinical evidence, Like any of these people went to.
Speaker 5: A doctor, you know, Yeah, the person that I mentioned
before with a feeding tube, I did see a doctor,
and his doctors were unable to disprove his wounds. Yeah,
of course nobody. The thing is, in any of these reports,
nobody was ever witnessed to the very first moment of
you know, the wound.
Speaker 7: Right yeah, yeah, yeah. They never got it on video
of film or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Right when it when it very first happened. No, that's
kind of a question.
Speaker 7: If you were, you know, like on a dating site
you had this problem, how do you go into first due?
You go to Christian mingle? Okay, wear gloves and red sneakers.
Speaker 9: What about those there's people in was it the Philippines
that get put on a cross every year? These people
are that extreme they get nailed to a cross.
Speaker 5: They actually get nailed, yes, and they get.
Speaker 6: Put up on the cross.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the same reason, to suffer the wounds.
Speaker 6: You got to be pretty uh pretty? How long do
you have to be on that cross before you can
consider it an I mean how long does it take
for your hands to hear? And it's lunchtime? Right? Wow?
Speaker 7: That's I mean, that is a extreme extreme religious religiosity.
Speaker 6: Whatever.
Speaker 7: But what I don't understand, and you know, I'm sure
that you know more about this than me, is that
even though I was brought up Catholic, why is what's
this idea that you have to suffer? He went through
so much suffering, what do you have to I thought
he did all the sufferings so we didn't have to suffer.
Speaker 6: Wasn't you take an easy way out of it? He did?
Speaker 9: I think that suffering was for what came before him.
I think what came after him, you're on your own. Well,
you know, I'm not involved in that what happened. I mean,
why do you have to?
Speaker 7: I thought he wants us to be happy and to
you know, be happy because we're corrupt, I feel you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's my understanding that he suffered to save our
souls and that he wants us to be christ Like,
and so in doing in being christ Like, we will
naturally also suffer at some point.
Speaker 6: Okay, although the suffering wasn't the point. The point was
if you're being like Christ, you're being more more giving,
more friendly, associate with people, help them, and you know,
how about this idea and prosthetize the religion.
Speaker 7: Not to be that guy at the party, but how
about this?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, Jesus. I read a book once.
It was Jesus without religion or something. It was his
life right, and he was just he was a guy
who was the first guy.
Speaker 6: Really, he was just a guy.
Speaker 7: Who said that human life is worth something. You know,
before that they used to just a lot of people
like they were rats or something. So he brought that
forward and the whole idea that you know, everyone is equal,
we're almost together, love your neighbor, and all that kind
of stuff, which is all really really good stuff that
everyone should pay attention to.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: I'd like to prefer thinking him of like that, then
him wanting me to be nailed up on a cross,
you know, in the Philippines somewhere. It all depends on
what you believe in, how devout you want to be
about this thing, but to have stigmato, how much further
can you go?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 7: But anyway, Brandy, go ahead? Is that okay?
Speaker 5: So in trying to figure out what's going on, some
people believe that it's, you know, faith that's bringing this
to you, that you know, your faith is actually manifesting
within you. Others believe that these things are psychosomatically generated,
physiological responses, and of course there are a lot of
people that think that it's all a hoax, you know,
no matter who it's happening to. But here's here were
a few interesting points that I found. Prior to the
thirteenth century and the time of Saint Francis, all of
the paintings of Jesus and the Crucifixion depicted Christ alive
and well on the cross, not showing any emotion. He
was just on it, like his eyes open, just on it.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 5: And the time of Saint Francis, artists began displaying the
suffering of Jesus on the cross, and they gave him
expressions of agony, and they actually showed bleeding in his
hands and feet in their paintings, which they hadn't done before.
So the new depiction of Jesus helped kind of bring
him to the minds of the general public who during
the Middle Ages were suffering so much. So some you know,
researchers and historians have theorized that stigmata is kind of
an example of life imitating art, Like once people got
the idea that Jesus was bleeding and suffering, then you know,
they projected it onto themselves somehow. But there were no
cases of stigmata recognized before Saint Francis. And is that
because Christ suffering wasn't reckoned eyes before that time?
Speaker 7: And what year was that, roughly Saint Francis eleven hundred
or so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was twelve twenty four that he begged for
begged for the suffering and received the stigmata.
Speaker 7: Wow, that is that adds another, we had kinda chapped
it to it.
Speaker 8: You all the move we would tell okay, thanks Illuminati,
Yeah yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 10: Oh right, you saw that movie.
Speaker 8: They used to have a whip and they'd whipped themselves.
Speaker 7: Yeah, self self tetulation. That's true. Yeah, yeah, people do that.
Speaker 6: I guess what he's trying to say.
Speaker 8: If you if you saw that move, that was a
good example of the Illuminati.
Speaker 7: Right and and and.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: And they were religious, I mean supposed that they started
as really kind of religious. Well they didn't. I mean,
this is a whole other road to go down. Didn't
the Illuminati start with the Knights template?
Speaker 5: Technically like technically there is no Illuminati, right.
Speaker 7: Like there's no mafia. Yeah, yeah, but they were. There
were definitely these people, these families who have lasted for
over the centuries, and yeah, they just you know, wealthy
beyond all means. You don't know exactly who they are
there the uh this one that they always like, the
Vanderbilts is supposed to be in and you know all
that kind of stuff. But basically it's it's like a
gathering of rich people. But supposedly it came from when
they purged the Knights template well was showing the Knights temples.
Sometimes the Knights template started off as bums and that
what they would do is they would escort you to
the holes, right.
Speaker 5: They were an elite, elite squad of like fighting monks.
Speaker 7: Like the first Special Forces was basically that. And they
and over the years from they went from bums where
they would just go along with you if you fed
them to these like incredible knights of they live spot
and lies. They just trained like crazy. They would give
up their lives for you know, Christ at any moment.
But they became so powerful that they actually interacted with
the governments in the politics of like France and Spain
and Germany and stuff like that. And they were the
first people who did stuff like for instance, you would
you want to go to the Holy Lands. This is
like you just vacation in the Middle Ages. So and
you have, you know, one hundred pounds of gold. You
don't want to bring it on the way because you
know the chances are you going to get mugged or whatever.
So you would leave one hundred pounds of gold someplace
in France, and when you got to the Holy Land,
you'd have one hundred pounds of gold lest their commission
waiting for you. And they were the first ones who
kind of had that like loans and stuff like that.
You know, they came up with that stuff like Wells Fargo. Yeah,
like Wells Fargo r exactly. And then and they were
they they brought both a lot of education and stuff
like that, you know, but they were this it just
felt like one hundred years. They like ruled things in Europe.
They were like this tough bunch of incredibly trained knights
who had no fear at all. And and and they
kind of ran things, you know which and then finally,
I guess the King of Spain of France on Friday
the thirteenth. That's why Friday the thirteenth is a bad uh,
you know, has a bad connotation to it. He finally
like had a lot of them arrested. Many of them
were arrested and put to death and so on. Their
fall was very It took you know, like no time
at all, but about one hundred of them got away
and they figured that they had squandered away like a
this is in the Middle Ages. So Brandon, wow, this
is crazy. So what were your conclusions when you did
all this research.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that I'm kind of on the psychosomatic bandwagon,
I guess if you will. And here's why. Because a
lot of what I read referred to this British medical journal,
and that journal had some cases in it where people
who were in a very heightened state of emotion. Some
of them were psychiatric patients, some were in a religious
ecstasy like these supposedly these stigmatics, but that they could
manifest physical markings on themselves. One really, I guess overused example,
and it appeared in just about everything I read, was
a psychiatric patient who had had some trauma previously in
his life where he was bound by his wrists and
ankles and then you know, abused, and at times while
he was institutionalized in this psychiatric facility, he would have
these dreams, these vivid dreams of remembering this binding and abuse,
and when he woke from his dreams, he would actually
have rope marks on his ankles and his wrists, even
though of course there were none there.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They also talked about hypnotists, and actually the video that
I watched showed an example where a hypnotist put a
coin on someone's leg and the person was hypnotized, and
the hypnotists suggested that the coin was burning hot even
though it wasn't. And then he removed the coin, and
the person started to exhibit ruber or reddening of the skin,
and it eventually blistered where he had placed that coin.
That was just a regular room temperature coin, but the
person believed that it was red hot, and so their
body reacted based on their beliefs essentially, Right, Yeah, I
think that's more. You know, maybe what's it is, like
you said, a mind over matter thing maybe because another
thing just that I want to throw in here really quickly,
is that the stigmatics that developed the wounds developed them
as they believe them to have happened. So if one
person believes that Christ was nailed through his hands and
then develops stigmata, it's in their hands. But if someone
else believes that Christ was nail through his wrists, they're
going to develop stigma in their wrists. Or if they
believe he was lands on his right side, their side
wound is going to be on the right or the left.
Speaker 6: You see it depicted both ways, right, because.
Speaker 5: The Bible doesn't doesn't say for sure which side or
how the how the Crucifixion actually happened, right.
Speaker 7: So isn't that kind of proof in a way that
you know this is something that's coming right from your mind,
because because the mocks are going to show up where
you think the mocks should be, right.
Speaker 5: Right, Yes, you could say that you could if you were,
you know, super devout, you could probably say that God
is placing them where you think they were.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Wow, Well, I just think it's one of those
things where I know they say that you only use
tempercent of your brain, but that's not really true. You
only use tem percent of your brain at a time. Okay,
there's definitely pass for our brain that have not been
explored that you that there are ways that you can
you know, just like the suppose that you can train
as a remote viewer and if you stick to it,
you'll be a remote viewer because you've just trained your
you know, your mind to do this stuff. Right. But
I just wanted to say this, and I'm gonna throw
it to to Wannie only because he I know he's
a fan of hers. So Jonnie Mitchell, Joni Mitchell has
a disease. You want to google it. It has a
really weirdy the mushroom disease. Yes, okay, So Joni Mitchell,
who's a very famous singer, folksinger, folks singer, you know
what I mean. I mean like huge, hugely. You know,
people about Donna, like she's a queen or something. She
has this disease where she where little mushrooms grow on
her on her body and uh, and and they have
pictures of she has it, and they have pictures of
people who who have it. And I mean, this is
something physically coming out of their body. The fact that
they look like, you know, screwed up little mushrooms, those
are really creepy. But uh, it happens. And and you know,
the medical explanation for it is that it's it's it's
what we're talking about. You know that there's something in you,
uh you know, who knows what it is with Joni,
but there's something in you that that that is pausing
your brain to do something that is, you know, really
out there. Man.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if your brain is even involved in
the process. I think it bypasses the maybe the part
of the brain that says, is this a good idea
to have mushrooms pop out of my skin? I don't know.
It's not really a good fashion statement.
Speaker 7: But mushrooms. Someone told me about this and and I
guess I googled it or probably back then it was
probably you know Yahoo man, you know Yahoo look on
that butler or whatever the hell that guy used.
Speaker 6: To be there, ask Jeeves. And I read it.
Speaker 7: And I said, I wish I didn't read that because
it was just so weird. And you know, when it
happens to her, she goes into a funk, of course,
because you got a little mushrooms going on you and
just a weird thing. And she's she's a big pop star.
She's like the sixties Madonna. You know, it's a weird
thing to have a voice. Yeah, it's all right. I
guess I never really I never really understood her. I mean,
I can guess that people would like her music, but
this whole, this trail of broken hats that she left
behind her. Yeah, like all of Crosby still's a nash.
She you know, dumped them all at different times and
said all these romances that would end badly. She's kind
of like the Taylor Swift of back then, because they'd
n't badly, and then she'd write a song about you
I'm looking at one one like he knows do you
you were a big thing.
Speaker 6: You're saying Crossy Stillson. I thought Crosby Stillson Nash was
more of a the Judy Collins.
Speaker 7: Yeah they yeah, yeah, Steven Sielden, Judy Collins, lue Eyes.
But at one point everyone in Risby, Stills, Nash and
Young had a thing.
Speaker 6: With in the early sixties, a lot of folks singers
that I liked, like Tom Rush, who's a local guy.
Ye covered her songs. A lot of folks does cover
her songs all over the place.
Speaker 7: I could see that some of her songs were on
the Monkeys. She wrote songs for the money. She wrote
another another pleasant Valley Sunday. I think you wrote there
one of those, because they got a lot of those
songs on the real building, which is we should do
in the music show soon, which was this a place
where they hired people to write songs. These people write
like ten songs a day, and that's where Carol Kane
and Geffen and all those people. Yeah, Neil Diamond, Neil
Diamond was the writer there. Neil said, doc I was
the right of there. And these are just people who
finally said you write these great songs. Can you be
before wamas? And so if you see Neil Diamond, he's
not really a performer, you know what I mean, He's not.
He's he's kind of like a shy withdrawing away. But
these huge hits, huge hits. And he's also retired. And
same with Carol King. You know, she was primarily a
songwriter and then all of a sudden she puts on
her own album and huge takes off. So anyway, so
Brandy to.
Speaker 6: Put a.
Speaker 7: Put a hot over the eye of this is.
Speaker 6: Brandy. That was a well researched, very nice.
Speaker 2: He's just called more Gellin's disease. I don't know if
that's he actually says here. So it's not recognized by
the Mayo clinic, right, it's characterized by a belief that
parasites are fibers are emerging from your skin. Oh my gosh,
fibers in a variety of colors protrude out of a skin,
like mushrooms after a rainstorm. They cannot be forensically identified
as animal, vegetable, or mineral.
Speaker 4: Never pepperoni.
Speaker 9: Right, Oh well, magic mushrooms. Pull the mushrooms.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and I remember they they even though they
have pictures of this stuff. They have pictures of my
I don't know if they have pictures of them actually
happening or not, but there's certainly pictures. If you go
and look, you'll you'll never unsee it. But this actually happens,
you know, And maybe it is. But all those parasites
have to get together and let's grow a mushroom. I mean,
just very strange. It's just a very strange mind of
a mate thinks the fungus among.
Speaker 8: Us, you guys, I remember as a kid that my
mother was very adamant about not eating too many mushrooms.
She said, because they'll burst out in your skin someday. Really, yeah,
so I'm not surprised. Yeah, so she They probably will
find out that she's a big mushroom, and that's what happens. Eventually,
it just gets so much in your system. Yeah, yeah,
your system gets overwhelmed. So I can appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Oh, wouldn't happen to me. But by the way, do
you guys remember a maid for TV movie check this
out from nineteen seventy five. Yeah, Aathleen Quinlan, and she
plays a woman that experiences the state model really yeah,
and the bad guys are trying to abduct her.
Speaker 7: Really, what year is that switchy.
Speaker 4: Nineteen seventy five, made for TV movie?
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, Quinn Martin production. Yeah, Quinn Martin was that
Quinn Martin production.
Speaker 4: I don't know that it was Quinn Martin.
Speaker 7: What did Quinn Martin look like? Quinn Mattin Back in
the seventies, Quinn Martin had at one point he must
have had at least five or six TV shows on TV,
and he.
Speaker 4: Had like horn room glasses, you know, and kind of.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there we go. Yeah, I mean his his
You knew it was a Quinn Martin production right away
because well, at first it would say Quinn Montain production,
but it would be in four different chapters, you know,
where the commercial breaks were back then, and each one
would like lead to the next one. That was really
almost like reading a book in a way, and there
were they were detective shows and stuff. You know, it's
it's basically yeah.
Speaker 4: He didn't didn't want to fade out so much and
then you know they have the continued to the next segment.
He wanted like separate segments, like chapters that were sort
of self contained in a way, but all part of
the whole.
Speaker 5: Right, what's an example, like what did what show the.
Speaker 4: Future do streets?
Speaker 7: Streets?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you're probably too young.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 6: Uh was.
Speaker 7: Dan?
Speaker 4: Which are like twelve more examples.
Speaker 7: Dan. It was an American name, Dan August. Yeah, yeah,
yeah he was. I mean you never saw him, never
saw him, you know, interviewed, but man, he was. He
was applying a lot of network content there for a
long time and then just fell out of favor, basically
fell out of I mean new stuff. New stuff came
in when I went to when I first started in
film school.
Speaker 6: Oh boy, you went to film school.
Speaker 7: Yes, I did. And what what they what we studied
was there was a guy named film school. It was
eight millimeter then if you get a sixteen film, there
was some adults there. Okay, Now.
Speaker 6: I worked with film once.
Speaker 7: They yeah, yeah, it's awful. It was back then. Man.
You'd have to like sit there for hours, like gluing
the you know, the leader to the A B role.
Speaker 6: The trailers on and uh, how to do that? I
was I was trained by the Union how to do that.
But in the Navy, I was trained how to do splices. Yeah, well,
what you had to do, which they did Newport, Rhode Island. Wait,
this is really killing time. But what you have to
do in film, I mean, you don't have to do anymore,
but like if you're going from seeing A to scene
B and you wanted to dissolve into something, you can't
have it dissolve into the next scene. It has to
dissolve into black, and then the beginning of the next
scene has to be black for it to you know,
and bring it up right right, So you have to
figure out what every third shot, every second shot is okay,
and who's in charge of that. The continuity person is
in charge of maintaining the continuity on the set.
Speaker 7: The editor Yeah, oh yeah, yeah that Yeah, they just
give him like a bunch of back Then they just
give you a whole big bunch of rolls and and uh,
you know, go through them. You know as the you
sit there with the real editor of the movie and
he says, okay, next scene, this, next, seeing that, and
you hope that it's as close to the script as possible.
Speaker 6: But you know that usually I gotta kick old movies
where the continuity wasn't that important in a particular.
Speaker 7: They're just keep going yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Somempany's talking to another Yeah, say a woman that's in
the in the foreground, just see the back of her
head and then you see that shot again and uh, right,
there's a spider crawling up the back of her head.
Speaker 7: It's it's they have the different closes right the wrong place,
or a lot of saying. What the biggest thing was
I've seen that is that you would see there would
be someone who like goes out of the door to
your left, and then the next scene is them coming
out of the door tea are right, you know what
I mean? Where you're just natural way of looking at things. Uh,
but we.
Speaker 6: Expect you up, you know, we expect their eyes to
see everything seamlessly, because that's how film works. In the
film is twenty five frames per second, and the persistency
in their eyes twenty four four twenty four.
Speaker 7: Yet, right, the persistence of vision.
Speaker 9: And the other thing with movies is the scenes aren't
generally sequentially. Yeah you might end a scene today but
not go back to that scene for a week. Right,
So you got people take still pictures to compare what
what everything looked like so they can put everything back right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, people look.
Speaker 9: The same wear the same clothes, make sure their hairs
the same, link their wounds, or get.
Speaker 6: A gun in their hands. It's in the right hands,
the right gun.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: When Lily James was in Downtown Abbey, I used to
go to that season. I think she started she started
her character in season three and I was such a fan.
I would just freeze frame on any of her scenes
and just click through it, maybe once every ten minutes
changed the frame.
Speaker 4: You were stalking her.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was like, like, look at how the dress
is hanging on her shoulders, and then look how it
is now, and go back and forth.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, yeah, and it wasn't good. It is that
what you're saying. Somebody needs to fix her dress. Yeah,
that's funny.
Speaker 6: I need to be there to fix her dress.
Speaker 7: So they usually but they usually keep an eye on
those things too, you know, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 6: I did as a union stage hand. I was asked
to help out whatever the production manager for the group
was asking for. And this was a collection of ballet
dancers from Pulshoy and other things, and they were on
tour there and Lowell and they're everywhere. So I did this.
I did the show and then it was in New
Hampshire and then our local New Hampshire didn't have any
women in it.
Speaker 7: Okay, So going down the road.
Speaker 6: The action manager came came to our shop Steward and said,
can we have somebody they can work in wardrobe?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 6: And I was thinking the same thing as as sick
as our shop Steward is that, like do you need women?
You know, no, this is theater. You don't need a
woman to be in the dressing room with women. It's
just it's like a who cares?
Speaker 7: Who cares?
Speaker 6: I guess who got picked out to do that? Yes? Wow, okay,
hang On. I was a little early. It was like, Warren,
do you want to do that? I said, what could
I possibly do in the in wardrobe.
Speaker 7: With a bunch of male ballet dances?
Speaker 6: The woman that was asking for the help was saying,
I could is maybe so on a button or fix
somebody's button up somebody? You know what I was doing that.
They have these ground out, ground up rubber balls that
you probably played stickball with. Hang On, go ahead and
cut it in half and that kind of a ball,
so that sort of a pinkish yew smooth top rubber ball.
They ground them up and it was like a uh.
The dancers would put their their ballet slippers in it
on their feet and there was a trace of this
ground up stuff. So it was like an adhesive, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
created some stability.
Speaker 7: And is that a lot just.
Speaker 9: Like the pool queue you chalk the you know.
Speaker 6: They put their feet in it that they they have
their slippers on, the put their feet in it, kind
of rub it around. In these trades, the occasionally had
to load those up. It was hard work.
Speaker 7: I got to tell you that. I was in film
school one one in film school, yes, I was before
I figured out that that the ballet dancers have that
special shoe on that they tiptoe on. Yeah, I thought
they just tip. I never got ball. Does anyone here
get ballet?
Speaker 6: Mac? I kind of get it as a as an
art form, as a as a dance form, and I
kind of get it. I mean, a lot of classical
music was written for the ballet. Yeah, but don't their
feet look really nasty.
Speaker 9: Because they're formed from their standing on their toes.
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of physical damage to ballet dancers.
Speaker 7: And yeah, I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I just don't
I don't get opera either opera. Someone trying to explain
opera to me, and I said, it ain't over until
the Fat Ladies. Well that and that's the weird thing
is that they have characters in those operas who they're
playing a man, but it's a woman. They're playing a woman,
but it's a man. You know, you talk about how
this can you know, not continuity. It's just very strange,
especially in Shakespeare's operas.
Speaker 6: And here I am Italian, I could still couldn't get Pailacci.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, is that the sad clown?
Speaker 6: Anyway?
Speaker 9: It's like Monty Python, you know, it's men playing women
playing men.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Up again, I didn't read the whole thing. What
did it say? What did you say, Susan, I didn't
read the whole thing.
Speaker 7: Moomb Oh she's shaking her head. Must been really good.
So why don't we do this? I think it's time
to take a break.
Speaker 6: So I work shows from bon Jovi to Ballet.
Speaker 7: There you go, okay, I did so.
Speaker 6: That the stallions to the lippens on a stallion said
the laudatorium. Did you have to clean up after him?
We did? Oh yeah, because they weren't always dry. There
was a lot of that. All hands were doing that.
Speaker 7: Wow, what a night this has been technical wise, So
why don't we do this? Why don't we take a
break now and we group and we'll be right back
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one last segment to go. Let me introduce the co conspirra.
It is girls. You've heard them one one is here.
Speaker 6: Hello girls, Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show. It's
been a fun show so far.
Speaker 7: Fun show.
Speaker 6: They're all fun shows, Holly, Some are more funner than.
Speaker 7: Others, funner than others. Okay. Also here is on the
Valley Kitties Pal steering the ship. If I'm steering we're
in trouble through rough waters. Thank you all for being here.
Oh hey, you know what what else would I be
doing tonight? That's true?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 7: Involved would you be so? Who knows? Also with us
is switch play Steve Wood down there in West Virginie.
Speaker 4: Great to be here, and our middle name is fun
here military expelled.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, okay, well it's easy to spell.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 7: Do you have anything exciting for breakfast? Or should we
just pass?
Speaker 4: I had? I went to tutors. I had two pancakes
and and about five pounds for bacon, coffee.
Speaker 7: And water coffee in water. All right, nice, okay, before
those tariffs kick in on bacon. Good thinking. But also
let me see. Also with us is our international security chief,
Senior International Security Chief, Willie Club WILLI.
Speaker 8: So also great to be here and happy to hear
that switch. He still gets to go to Hooters. We
really missed him up here. They went out of business.
As you know. I'm glad you've got someday. I'm going
to drive down to get a view see how.
Speaker 7: It is as well. We'll take a road trip all
of us.
Speaker 4: All right, you don't want to be without Hooters, because
then it would be a bust.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, he had that loaded.
Speaker 6: Up Hooters bit was around for a long time. Actually,
I don't I never understood how zoning and other things
within a specific town would allow the concept, let alone
the let alone the execution of it of Hooters.
Speaker 7: They're just big breasted waitresses business mode. It's it's just
I mean, I'm a fan of it. It's just that
great French fries.
Speaker 6: That it's just so anti or I don't know his
anti anything. I'm just sticking a hole here.
Speaker 7: But here we go, wait for our drinks in there here,
thank you.
Speaker 6: It just seems weird.
Speaker 7: Well, now we have to go to Susan Kaye now
because she's breaking the rules here doing this.
Speaker 2: So oh look he's performing for you.
Speaker 7: Oh that's a cat, that's not a dog.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 7: Well then it's okay. You can be forgiven. Doesn't the
cat doesn't the dog chasing around the cats? What's he doing?
What's the matter with them?
Speaker 2: He just wants to see you?
Speaker 6: Oh really? Yeah?
Speaker 9: So outnumbered by cats, he doesn't dare go after thinks
he's a cat.
Speaker 2: Of course, he's actually probably smaller than most of them,
so he's smart. But thank you for having me. I
love seeing all your handsome and beautiful faces.
Speaker 7: Same here. That's why we're here. We love you, Sue,
and we love your dog. We love your dog too.
Speaker 6: We do.
Speaker 7: Also with us is uh brandy eggs, Brandy eggs, So
we have to say we love you too, just so
it's nice and even. Is that okay?
Speaker 5: You're so diplomatic, thank you.
Speaker 7: Never really been called that before, but I'll take it.
So Wisconsin, Wisconsin, they wear those hats. Is that a
Wisconsin hat?
Speaker 6: You have one?
Speaker 7: As very stylish?
Speaker 5: Thank you. I guess some people do really.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right?
Speaker 7: Those glasses, so those glasses look like librarian glasses? Do
you always wear those glasses? Are my dreaming?
Speaker 5: I only wear them when I'm having to read things. Oh,
they're just for reading.
Speaker 7: Okay, all right? I think it works though, don't you
they want to?
Speaker 6: It does socially read? The head looks good on you.
Speaker 4: The hell out of Amazon specials, I'll tell you.
Speaker 6: So, if you had any Kringle lately, what's your favorite Kringle?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 7: I do like I do like the almond and they're
kind of pastry that only people in Wisconsin have.
Speaker 6: Is that all?
Speaker 7: It's like a coffee ring right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a Swedish pastry.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, okay, not a sweetish jokes. Yeah, but we
don't have.
Speaker 6: Time Sweetish German something like that. And it's all you
can only you can't eat just one little piece you
gotta have. It's just something addictive about it, probably the sugar. Anyway,
about addicting. I think I'm going to order some right now,
but astave for a cringinals see what happens. I think
they ship and frozen to you.
Speaker 7: I believe, can't you really? Okay, not like a fruitcake, right,
just keep sending it around to everybody anyway, Speaking of fruitcakes, switchy, wait,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Just hate fruitcake.
Speaker 7: Like no one likes fruitcake, man, no one does you
do you know?
Speaker 6: I like fruit and I like cake. Why can't I
like fruitcake? I don't know.
Speaker 2: They put nuts in fruitcake makes it worse?
Speaker 7: Yeah, you ain't kidding, right, I was soda bread is
to me that's the I could eat that for the
rest of my life. Okay, you know a little jelly,
little butter anyway, cookies, oh this is no, don't get
out liquorice laying again? So switchy, yes, you have a
report on how UFO hostilities correct.
Speaker 4: Yes, as I mentioned earlier, this comes from one of
Timothy Green Beckley's books. Of course, Tim mister UFO is
no longer with us, but this particular we do these
giant books. You know. This was called UFO Hostilities, The
Evil Alien Agenda. I mean, it's just full of all
kinds of good stuff. Well, the chapter I'm focusing on
is about a guy that I didn't really know about,
George D. Fawcett. He as a teenager, Tim Beckley, now,
he used to listen to Long John Nebll on w
O R. Long John Neville of course was the fore
runner to Art Bell, and he would have something it
was called the show was called the Party Line. He
went from about I think eleven or midnight all the
way to dawn, and so poor Tim Beckley he wouldn't
get any sleep. You know, he'd be walking around like
a zombie in school the next day. But he was hooked.
I mean he would get the contactes and all kinds
of UFO type people. It was just you know, some
of the you can get some of those on YouTube. Now,
this George Fawcett, he was a full time YMCA director
in eastern Pennsylvania for forty years, but in all his
free time he was fascinated by the UFO situation. He
had all kinds of files and photographs, and Beckley had
been impressed by his knowledge. He had read some of
his articles. He looked about eighty miles away. Tim was
determined to get out there sometime and meet him. And
this guy was really the guy that inspired him to
go on and create his Tim Beckley's publishing empire. And
I have dozens of books of Tim's and as I
mentioned earlier, I was even on his show Exploring the
Bazaar a few times with Tim Schwartz his co host.
Now so he did finally meet him. He was born
in nineteen twenty nine in North Carolina. He acted in
an editorial capacity for many years before he went on well.
He went to the US Army in the Panama Canal zone.
He was a field investigator from Uphon worked with doctor J.
Allen Heinek on several important WEFO cases. So this guy
really had the credentials. And in his home he had
Beckley saw all these scrap book after scrap book filled
with articles and so forth. He started collecting UFO reports
from the time of the Foo Fighters from World War Two,
these strange lights that the Allies and the bad guys
that saw.
Speaker 7: All right then yep right and uh now he.
Speaker 4: Uh he wrote an article due to his research for
Ray Palmer's Flying Saucers from Other Worlds magazine, and that
it was called flying Saucers are Hostile and this kind
of you know, in this time period in the in
the fifties, kind of turned things on its head because
people where you had the contact ese like Georgia Damski,
uh the Theoreham and Lucy van tassel Menger and and
they were all talking about the beautiful Space Brothers and
their contact with them even produced some pretty cheesy photographs
at times. Okay, so but he but sawser really felt
that there was some uh he. Finally he Beckley republishes
an article he wrote around that time called Flying Saucers
are Serious Business, which I think maybe Frank Edwards was
inspired by that title to write his book Flying Saucers
Our Serious Business some years afterwards. But in this article
he starts out with kind of the background history of
UFOs and then he gives ninety examples of what he
thinks are hostile and tent with some of these things.
But now we're just going to touch on a few
of them. Nineteen forty four Army pilot Charles Lane reported
he's flying over the Himalayas his plane, motors stopped and
instruments froze when he was approached by a UFO, and
of course he didn't. They came back on when the
UFO left. August twenty eighth, nineteen forty five, a passenger,
Leonard Stringfield, who went on to write many books about
UFO crashes.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 4: Had a situation where he said his C forty six
encountered engine trouble when he saw a three luminous orbs
of light near Iwo Jima. Now, a lot of these incidents,
I don't think we can say hostel and tenet. Maybe
maybe just the close proximity of some of these things. Now,
Fawcett also includes December fifth, nineteen forty five, five TBM
Avenger Bombers Flight nineteen disappear under strange circumstances. Now there's
no there wasn't really any. I mean a lot of
people think that it was UFO related. There's a guy
named Stephen Ford that I actually saw speak years ago
with my UFO club. We were at a some kind
of a gathering that one of the guys his father
was an engineer, and they had this dinner and they
had this Stephen Ford as a speaker, and that's the
first time I ever heard about Flight nineteen. So, but
then year a few years later, on one of the
UFO specials in the seventies, Ford was on and he
claimed that they had picked up a transmission at that
time during the Flight nineteen disappearance that said they look
like they're from outer space. Now, I don't know if
there's any to that or not.
Speaker 7: Real quick switching. So flight flight nineteen, you've heard about
it before. It's like the beginning of the Muona trying
on one way right at the end of the war.
These five airplanes take off from I think Fort Lauderdale
down in Florida, and they're going to go on a
training mission and very very routine and they suddenly just
didn't know where they were and they're trying to contact
the base. Other people that are not on the base
were able to contact them. They're trying to they're trying
to like kind of bring them back, but they're saying like,
you know, the waves don't look good, the sky looks different.
They have no idea where they were. The last transmission
that they had was with some kind of radio guy
way up the coast, and he thought, sure he had
them in them, Mom, they gone. Never found them. Been
a lot of movies and stuff about them, and they've
been in movies those encounters for one of them. But
of all the things, I could believe people down there
were looking for these planes. They've been looking from for
forty years. They found another crash stuff, but they never
found these five planes. They don't know what happened. Okay,
go ahead, well twitchy please, Okay.
Speaker 4: Now this next one is also doesn't really fit under
the hostile category if it's more under the aftermath of
a hoax. June twenty first, nineteen forty seven, kaded Frank
Brown and Captain William Davidson. Their plane crashed at what
they had. This is connected to the Shaver mystery. This
is connected to the Moray Island incident. This is where
they picked up some slag that supposedly fell from five
donut shaped flying sauceress over Tuget Sound and Fred Christman
was behind this. It was a total bs, and these
guys died for nothing. It really had nothing to do
with UFOs or aliens. It had to do with the
aftermath of a nasty hope.
Speaker 7: These are the two pilots of the B twenty five
you're talking about, right.
Speaker 4: Right exactly over Tacoma, Washington, July twenty third, nineteen forty seven.
Pilot John H. Janssen. He's his motor shut down plane
suspended in air after a close pass of a UFO
over Morristown, New Jersey. He reported sort of an electrical
like prickly sensation all over his body, which doesn't sound
too bad if he wasn't up in the point that nevermind.
But January seventh, nineteen forty eight, Captain Mantel F fifty one,
another one that probably isn't anything to do with ufol
as being hostile. But that was the one where he
sees this object and he goes and he chases it.
The skeptics said he was chasing a skyhook balloon. I
don't know about that. And on the other side you
get some of the kind he's saying, Oh, yes, he
was chasing one of our rot like Pernusian scout ships. Yeah,
but Unfortunately, he got too close to our electromagnetic web
or force field or whatever and it affected his plane.
And we feel badly about that. Too bad. The poresaps
didn't have a transporter like Star Trek and they could
have saved you.
Speaker 6: Really.
Speaker 7: Yeah, his crash real quick. His crash changed things a
lot because it was it was highly publicized. Happened in
the early fifties. They were near Fort Knox, I remember
that much. And he's leading a flight of these f
fifty one's, which P fifty one Mustangs they changed the designation.
He sees something in the sky. Now, this guy is
a veteran pilot. Okay, he's a veteran pilot. And once
again we always say veteran pilot. Pilot saw the first
people who know what UFOs are because they're so used
to seeing everything else in the sky, the moon, the Venus,
and he started to chasing this and they they're telling
him don't. He went above the ceiling of the P
fifty one. He went above his oxygen you know where
the austin just kind of doesn't work anymore. And he said,
I'm closing.
Speaker 6: In on it.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is a guy who you know, wouldn't
be fooled by anything. And then they lose contact with them.
They find his plane crashed like later the next day
or whatever. I hate to say it, but he's headless.
And when that made it into the news, all of
a sudden, this whole idea that the aliens are nice
people like the Swedish twins there those guys, It's like,
oh my god, what's happening here? And it kind of
changed the way people looked at UFOs and who might
be in UFOs. So anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 4: But some of the articles claimed that he was hit
by a death ray. I mean, you know, you go
journalism even back then. The July nineteen fifty two Atlanta,
Georgia pilot Reagan, while flying his piper coat, collided with
a bright oval shaped UFO and the pilot died of
a degeneration of his brain tissue due to extreme atomic radiation.
They said the authorities had no explanation.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: And then at July twenty sixth, nineteen fifty two, Air
Force issued a shoot him down order. Not their finest moment.
I don't think, okay, a good reason for aliens to
be hostile. I believe right.
Speaker 7: The order was if you this is Truman telling if
was navy pilots, try contacting them first, and if not,
open fire on them. That literally was the order. Okay,
And you think I contact them how sign language? I mean,
we haven't been able to do this, says these things
showed up and there was actually a shoot to you know,
shoot these things down. And when people saying, you know
these things are from you know, places we don't know,
much more advanced than less, you really want to shoot
at them anyway?
Speaker 4: They just wanted to hear we mean no harm to
your planet before they blasted them away. August nineteenth, nineteen
fifty two. This is kind of a famous case. Scout
Master Sunny Divagers. He was a scout master. He's driving
along with his boy scout. Supposedly he sees this craft
over the in the woods. He goes into the woods
and this thing comes down, shoots fire out or something
and burns his arms. I remember Donald Menzil. Now, Donald
Menzil was a precursor to Philip Class, an arch skeptic
and usually wrong. He takes, he thinks, and I think
Menzil might be right on this one. I think it
seems like this guy might have been talking about UFOs
ahead of time, and he kind of set the kids
up and he goes in and he burns himself. Anyway,
it just sounded like like a hoax. But who knows.
Speaker 6: But now that's.
Speaker 4: The pardon me. The same night that the child at
that same night, mister missus Nitowski, Wow, I changed that name,
and child were gassed and felt uh the electric like
shocks after their car stall. Now this is okay, I
skipped a part. This is September thirteenth, nineteen fifty two,
the famous flat Woods case. Yes, and in fact, I
was just out in that area last weekend. Now, the
Gray Barker. We celebrated Gray Barker's one hundredth birthday at
the flat Woods Monster Museum. Wow, and we watched the
great documentary called Shades of Gray, and even some of
us went out to the area where they were. Gray
bar is buried. But anyway, that was this bizarre creature
or whatever, that robot we don't know, with kind of
orange eyes and it had a horrible smell. And a
bunch of kids saw this meteor or bright light pass
over the school. They go up the hill and they're
there with an adult and they see this bizarre, totally
bizarre contraption, whatever the heck it is, and they take off.
But that same night as this mister and missus Tatowski
and child they were guessed and it felt an electric
like shot after their car stall near a violet colored
landed UFO. So this happened the same night. So another
bizarre incident No. Number twenty third, nineteen fifty three. Now
this is one that may be an actual hostile intent.
kN Ross Air Force Base, Michigan. Pilot Felix montcla He
and radar officer R. R. Wilson. They're in their F
eighty nine plane and it was they could they were
tracking them on radar ye when it merged with another light,
another a UFO seventy miles off came an off point
great legs. No trace was ever falled.
Speaker 7: Yeah right right. That's uh. That's a really well documented
case where they actually this F eighty nine was an
interceptor back of the fifties, big huge thing, and they
thought that there was some kind of entry coming into
the United States from Canada, and so they sent this
airplane out to check it out. And they can see
them on radar, and then the two radar blips merge
and then only one is left and off it goes.
Never found any wreckage, never found any thing, you know,
I had no idea what happened to these the plane
and the pilots. It's a very odd they were all live.
But that's a very odd kind.
Speaker 6: Of And there's so many of those odd ones that
you have to ask yourself, this can't be just you know,
one time happenstance.
Speaker 7: It's yeah, something you know, you just hear the pattern here,
you're hearing about this one, but there's been others.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I real quick, I heard Steve, I heard something yesterday.
I happen to be watching something and they were talking
about that flight nineteen right, and they this guy was
on the show saying when he was nine years old,
his dad, who was a judge, took him out into
the marsh if you were in there, Pensacola area and
showed him a wrecked airplane who was in pieces. So
the the dad called the Navy and said, look, I
think I found one of your planes.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 9: So they checked it over and the Navy came out
and retrieved it. There were two bodies in it. And
this was in the nineteen sixties, so it had been
there a long time. So they checked it over and
the Navy took it out of there, but one of
the guys told the judge it was one of the
planes from flight nineteen. So the judge was like, wow,
it's kind of interesting. So they took the plane away
and they cleaned up the area, and when the judge
went to the Navy again and said, all right, we
got any more information, they claimed they know nothing about
what he was talking about. No such plane, there's no report,
they don't know nothing. So they pretty much made the
judge feel like an idiot. And these guys that were
interviewing the sun it was now an adult. He brought
them out to the area where he found it, and
the interviewer said, well, it's a shame you didn't, you know,
pick up a piece of it or something that, you know,
you could prove your story, and he goes, I did,
and I gave it to a buddy of mine. So
they called up the buddy and he showed up on
the scene with a pickup truck and what was a
piece of that plane. It was a fifty caliber machine
gun with a mount from an avenger. And they got
to Syria number off the gun, but they can't. The
Navy lost the records of what guns were on those ships, right,
So it's saying one of the guys could have said
to the guy in charge, you you know, you're taking
us on the wrong way. We got to go this way,
and he might have actually got back over land before
he crashed and ran out of fuel.
Speaker 7: Can I just melt that ice cream in that for
here for a second. The thing is is that this
that air station down there with all these planes are
taking off from was a training squadron. Okay, they were
training brand new pilots, and these brand new pilots used
to crash these planes all the time, so they would
is they've recovered the type of plane like in the
off off the coast of what Lott of Dale ands on,
but they can account for them because it's you know,
the plane that this rookie.
Speaker 9: Right, And they said they found one in the water,
which was the wrong one, right, but they said this
one the Navy has no record of any plane crashing.
Speaker 6: In that area.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's so really weird.
Speaker 9: And then the Navy is of course back pedaling and
said we didn't find an airplane there well, you know
what you're talking about, right. We didn't come and pick
up the remains of the two pilots or anything else.
You know, they're just the sort of whitewashing.
Speaker 7: The whole thing, wasn't us Wow wow, switchy go ahead yes.
Speaker 4: January March nineteen fifty four over the Tyraanrian Sea near
Malta and in the Mediterranean area for our af planes
had disappeared. The wreckage, if one, was found, and the
only connection he makes is he says there were large
numbers of flying saucer shaped objects and cigar shaped UFOs
in the area, which doesn't necessarily mean that there's a connection. Now,
he gives many many other cases with the close proximity
of mysterious lights or craft caused mechanical problems or negative
physical effects on the witnesses, sometimes radiation burns if they
approach to landed UFO. Fawcett produced this article. He said,
I hope that these ninety incidents will, you know, alert
you to the dangers and hostile UFOs and will help
others in preparing a defense against such objects. Now, I
think you know most of these are not a direct
hostile intent. In fact, Beckley did not believe that a
lot of these were in case for overt hostility except
for that kin Ross incident.
Speaker 6: Perhaps.
Speaker 4: Fawcett died peaceably on Sunday, January twentieth, twenty thirteen, the
last time Beckley saw him. He had stayed in contact
with him, and in two thousand and seven, Beckley was
headed to a mew Fond symposium in Denver and he
was had a stopover and Saint Louis. He stopped into
a restaurant and there was Fawcett sitting at a table
and he thought, well, heck, are you going to the
Are you going to speak at this Bufon symposium as well?
He said, no, I'm headed to Roswell to give them
my all my files so that they can keep them
and they'll they'll be preserved. And so that was the
last time he saw him. It was again it was
George Fawcett that inspired Jim Beckley and to become what
he was, a massive publisher and you know, really very
entertaining guy. And he just he ran the gambit man.
He had in his magazine. He had his analog They
had like purple ray plates or something like that that
would cause healing. But we were very legitimate authors and researchers,
and so he had he had anything you needed, you
you could get from him. He had all kinds of
uh uh you know, uh CDs audio from uh uh
you know Richard Shaver and Ray Palmer on Long John
Nevill's show. Uh, and he would just uh. He was
just a great guy.
Speaker 6: And uh, I agree, you know, I uh it.
Speaker 4: Was very cool to uh you know him even through
even through cyberspace.
Speaker 7: Like you said, Uh, I was on his show twice.
I think those two guys, and it's an experience, man,
I mean you you have to go with the flow
with those guys. They were funny, they knew what each
other was going to say. They went, you know, they
were really good, very entertaining late at night, but you
know it's worth staying up.
Speaker 4: Well, he would he'd always start out with some bitch
know yes. And when I was on the first time
I was on, I was talking about the Mark Man
Big Surprise, and it was on with Nick Redfern. He
was talking about the Men in Black. And there was
a young lady named Claudia Cunningham, known as the M
I B Lady because supposedly she encountered men in black
and the cemetery that had Charles Fort in it. And
in the beginning he did a bit with uh, you know, Bandit,
the dog that was supposed to disappeared, So it's just
kind of a silly bit with that. And anyway, he
was always always had an opening of some slapstick or
stick as in this show.
Speaker 7: The real production is going on there. But anyway, talking
about production values, thank you Switch, I'm gonna we're gonna
clap for you. I'll do the joke now, but my
palm's hurt. So uh, there's the uh, the magic image
of the train crashing. That means it's time to bring
the ship into the shore.
Speaker 6: Ready to do that?
Speaker 7: Boys, Okay, we have to say good night Brandy. I'm sorry,
we have to say good night to you first, Brandy.
She frozen.
Speaker 5: It's been great being here and I love you guys
too well.
Speaker 7: We love you lo all around. Thank you for joining us.
Great report. We'll talk to you next week. Okay, Love
the hat, Love the hat, Love the hat. Susan Kay
sitting there in the dock with her unidentifiable animal, which one, Yeah,
that's the question.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me with a great show, Brandy,
I love that about the stigmata and switch. I always
love your stories. I just joy. I love the show tonight.
Thank you so much for having me. I can't wait.
I miss you already.
Speaker 7: Thank you for joining us. You appreciate it. Thanks, apologize
to Rudy, love around that crude joke and the top
ten things, and we'll see you very soon. Let's see wow. Okay, club,
thank you club for joining us.
Speaker 8: Club another great night and look forward to it. And
I see you get in about another three days.
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you club for joining us. And I did
find out that Drakes do make a you know, a
product called sunny Doodles, and all I can think of
is that there Yankee doodles, but not chocolate there.
Speaker 8: I remember them years heard many many doodles.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, sounds like he belongs to the Winter Hill.
Speaker 8: We have to go check it out.
Speaker 13: Sunny doodless cakes with yell out with golden cake.
Speaker 7: That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 8: They I used to like those years ago, and then
when they went out of business and they sold the business,
they didn't make those, they didn't bring them back. So
this apparently they're bringing them back now. I got to
look out for them. Then there go. I'm pretty excited.
I think. In fact, I'm going to go out now now,
stopping shot to see if I'm if there's any mother.
Speaker 6: Man, let me know if they got him, just stopping
shop near me. I'll go get some too.
Speaker 8: Thank you, club, Yeah, thank you, uh.
Speaker 7: Switchy, thank you, thank you brought your contributions on and
off the air. Okay, yeah, do you have any final words?
Not final words, but uh.
Speaker 4: Oh happy trails trail that's a good one.
Speaker 6: I look that way.
Speaker 7: That's but we don't have time two hours. Thanks thank you,
uh uncle, Al, thank you Al. Glad to be here. Man,
If only people knew what goes on before and after and.
Speaker 6: Some day you're gonna bring some bees on the show.
Speaker 7: Bring some bees on the show? Well, you know, we
can just do the show from the house and really yeah,
I don't think the two missuses, but I appreciate that.
You know, let's bring some bees in it. It's probably easier,
Thank you all.
Speaker 9: I'll bring a queen cage in next week so you
can see what the what she's locked up in until
I've managed to free her.
Speaker 6: That I had never heard of that I'd like to
see that.
Speaker 7: And they put a block of candy in the doorway.
Is that it? This really sounds like I Samson.
Speaker 9: Because they put the way the cage is designed. It's
screen on the front so they can feed her and
take care of her. And she has a few attendants
in the cage with her. Yes, But on one side
of the cage there's the piece of hard candy, and
then beyond that is a small piece of cork that
they can't get through. Okay, So when you install the
hiding and the bees and the new hive, you pop
out the piece of cork which allows them to get
in at the candy. Yes, if you open the other end,
which just has a piece of cork, yes, she can
get out.
Speaker 6: And she flies away and you go bye bye.
Speaker 7: What's good? And it's the end of that. All right,
we are And eighty dollars just flies away. Okay, wave
bet the Celtics. I saw the same thing. All of
money grows wings and flies well manst bee, lady behind me, lady.
Speaker 6: Our show is not timeless, but everybody knows when that happened.
Speaker 7: We're not happening yet. Also, well, thank you one one
for joining us. I should it be here and thank
you everyone out there for listening. Let me very quickly
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important these days. John McCain not a loser, He's a
way hero. You don't make fun of people like that.
And I am especially upset at the fact that they
are changing. They are changing the name of Veterans Day
to Victory in World War One Day. Okay, what really?
Speaker 8: Yes, No, Congress will not approve it.
Speaker 6: Oh is that right?
Speaker 7: Well, it's been proposed.
Speaker 8: Congress has to approve it.
Speaker 7: Okay. But they were thinking of doing this, and then
someone said, well wait a minute, okay, I mean basically
went back to they were going to rename May eighth
is called v Day because that's when in nineteen forty five,
World War Two ended on May eighth in Europe. In
other words, Germany was defeated. It's not the end of
World War two. Yeah, it's the end of World War
two in Europe. Someone mistook that and said, well, listen,
we did more to beat the Germans than anyone else.
So we're going to change that to Victory in Europe Day. Yes, okay, No, no,
it's called Victory US Victory Day or something like that. Well,
first of all, world War two ended on August fifteenth,
not May eighth, So you got to get your history right.
And number two, if you're going to change Veterans Day,
you know to World War one Day. Okay, what about
the veterans in Afghanistan and Vietnam? And in Iraq and
all these other wars we've been involved in. You know
what about them? You have to honor all of them,
all of them, and not make up names for holidays
that you know you don't like the previous names of. Okay,
so please just look in on what's happening to our
veterans these days. That's all I'm trying to say. So
until next time, I want to thank everyone once again,
Thank everyone for listening. Until next time. This is MAC
for the entire gang saying be safe. I'm sorry I
was reading the script. Be safe, be what is it?
Be safe, be happy, and bye bye