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<v Speaker 1>To Shi have eight thirty fift about KIRCD talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>A very happy Monday today made you an extra special

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<v Speaker 1>happy because the return of Mandy Gunnas Sakara, author of

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all Fired, a Southern Bellows Guide. You're restoring federalism and

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<v Speaker 1>draining the swamp we had around in October when the

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<v Speaker 1>book first came out. She's been at the center of

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<v Speaker 1>the US energy and environmental policy for a full decade

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<v Speaker 1>from the Senate cloak room of the Oval Office of

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<v Speaker 1>veteran environmental attorney, energy strategist, and communicator, served during President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's first term as chief of staff at the US

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<v Speaker 1>Environmental Protection Agency, currently a visiting fellow at the Heritage Foundation,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back. It is a real pleasure to have

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<v Speaker 1>you back on the show. Mandy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good to be with you. Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, can I just sort of sum up what

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<v Speaker 1>I think your perception is that this DOGE Department is

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<v Speaker 1>like the answer to your dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you summed it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's man, it's such a beautiful thing to see

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<v Speaker 2>because having been on the inside, even in my position

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<v Speaker 2>as chief of staff and the access to the information

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<v Speaker 2>that I had it was hard to paint the whole picture.

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<v Speaker 2>You could pinpoint specific types of waste, fraud or abuse,

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<v Speaker 2>or redundancies and efficiencies. You could pinpoint those sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 2>But it really is a beautiful thing where you have

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<v Speaker 2>someone like Elon and his really talented team of software

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<v Speaker 2>engineers going and looking at the data and then painting

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<v Speaker 2>a big picture in ways that all of us can

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<v Speaker 2>understand and all of us can see, and is an

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<v Speaker 2>absolute misuse of taxpayer resources. So yeah, it's an answer

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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of prayers.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, well, sunlight, it's a great disinfect and lord knows,

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting a lot of it. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>problems that I'm sure you probably during your period of

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<v Speaker 1>time in the administration, we're as frustrated as anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>the obstructionism that comes when people that are responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>the oversight of our dollars, subcommittees, committees, the congressmen, the

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<v Speaker 1>congress women, the senators, when they're told basically go to

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<v Speaker 1>hell when they ask for information.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really, I know, I know, it's really frustrating, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, that is part of their responsibility. Their

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility is to report back to the public how they're

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<v Speaker 2>using these funds and what it's actually doing. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just the members of Congress. I mean, it's also

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<v Speaker 2>these bureaucrats, these entrenched deep state bureaucrats. And here's the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a crisis of expertise on Capitol Hill. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a lot of people there that don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know what they're doing. So they're wholly dependent on deep

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<v Speaker 2>state bureaucrats who've been working at their job for thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years to give them information they don't otherwise know how

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<v Speaker 2>to get. So that's how the deep state works. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't give them all the information. Maybe they give them

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<v Speaker 2>a little drip drip here. But it's been many decades

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<v Speaker 2>of this type of imbalance between an agency funded to

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<v Speaker 2>eight to the tune of eight billion dollars and as

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<v Speaker 2>EP is an example, with the oversight staff of less

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<v Speaker 2>than two million dollars trying to perform oversight, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you just have this massive mismatch and the resulting consequences

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<v Speaker 2>is just decades of layers of complex and us not

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<v Speaker 2>knowing how our resources are spent well.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also seemed to be very obviously a just

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<v Speaker 1>simple lack of care of how money is spent. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Musk over the weekend was talking about, you know, over

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<v Speaker 1>looking at through the the Department of Treasury, right Treasury department,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, you know, I was told that there

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<v Speaker 1>are currently over one hundred million dollars a year of

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<v Speaker 1>in timement payments individual with no social Security number, even

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<v Speaker 1>a temporary ID number. And see, you know, he pulls

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<v Speaker 1>the room and Treasury he says, what percentage of that

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<v Speaker 1>is unequivocal obvious fraud? And the consensus in the room

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<v Speaker 1>was at least fifty billion dollars of it. That's something

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<v Speaker 1>that's is simple to fix. Look, no social Security number,

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<v Speaker 1>no ID, you don't get any money. How hard is that?

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<v Speaker 2>It shouldn't be difficult at all. But that's what these agencies,

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<v Speaker 2>they've just become all about, constantly asking for more money.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no incentive for the everyday bureaucrat to find

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<v Speaker 2>and to be truthful about the expenditure of those costs.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's this mentality, this culture in DC that people

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<v Speaker 2>are almost entitled to these taxpayer resources. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>come in and you ask questions, they like to pretend

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<v Speaker 2>like they're these global do gooders, and they're saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but this poor person is going to lose access to

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<v Speaker 2>these resources that they really need. Meanwhile, that person isn't

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<v Speaker 2>even getting the funds. To the extent they're getting any

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<v Speaker 2>it's barely enough to actually live. But you know what's

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<v Speaker 2>coming off the top. A fair amount is coming off

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<v Speaker 2>the top and going to nonprofits that either pad them

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<v Speaker 2>personally or their relatives or just grow the power of

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<v Speaker 2>the left, which is ultimately what they want.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, non governmental organizations NGOs, you know, and quite a

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<v Speaker 1>the ole we're five oh one C three, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>for profit. Yeah, but you're making a salary of four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and five hundred thousand dollars a year. Is president

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<v Speaker 1>or CEO the five oh one C three? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's it's so discussing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so many of them is going to the spouses of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Just look at the net worth of someone like Samantha Power.

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<v Speaker 2>She was the administrator that had essentially of USAID and

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<v Speaker 2>her net worth grew five times. I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's around that it's a significant number. Grew five times

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<v Speaker 2>her salary has been the same salaries for bureaucrats are

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<v Speaker 2>typically capped out around one hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet somehow she has a mass a multi million dollar

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<v Speaker 2>fortune and it just leaves you scratching your head, Huh,

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<v Speaker 2>where did that money come from? And it's most likely

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<v Speaker 2>because it was funnel to nonprofits of which she or

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<v Speaker 2>her family was sitting on the board, and they get

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<v Speaker 2>to reap the benefits of millions of dollars of taxpayer

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<v Speaker 2>funds going into their back pocket, and they cover it

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<v Speaker 2>up by saying, well, we're helping the poor in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>We're giving people in Africa access to water and food,

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<v Speaker 2>but really they are just patting their own personal coffers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and as I read through the list of these

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<v Speaker 1>things that the Doge has revealed and the comments from

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<v Speaker 1>the senators that you know, I had no idea that

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<v Speaker 1>this money was being spent this way, And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a second, aren't you responsible for the power of

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<v Speaker 1>the purse? I mean, you go ahead and you allocate

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<v Speaker 1>forty million dollars to USA, but then you stop. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>had to approve the project. But ultimately, you know, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars goes to a sesame street show in Iraq,

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<v Speaker 1>And then how much of that twenty million dollars really

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<v Speaker 1>went to the sesame street show in a rock production.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't land in some corrupt officials pocket. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>follow the trail of the money, and sob it just

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<v Speaker 1>stops once the aid's been allocated to the general collective

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<v Speaker 1>us AID fund.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, and it's there's no accountability and no oversight.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why you see the people who are screaming

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<v Speaker 2>the most are the ones who have the most to

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<v Speaker 2>lose in terms of this personal racket or money laundering scheme,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will. That's that is what it is. These

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<v Speaker 2>people are using their positions of trust and consequence to

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<v Speaker 2>siphon money off to the side to their benefit. And

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<v Speaker 2>they use the stories of people that most people would

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<v Speaker 2>say like, yeah, they could use some help, or of

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<v Speaker 2>course we would want to take care of these vulnerable populations.

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<v Speaker 2>They use that as a cover for their own sick game.

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<v Speaker 2>And those are the people who are sitting outside of

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<v Speaker 2>USAID or some of these other areas that are throwing

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<v Speaker 2>up their hands, and the Democrat members of Congress are

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<v Speaker 2>at the front of the line because they are recipients

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<v Speaker 2>of campaign donations from these people who are putting taxpayer

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<v Speaker 2>resources in their own pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's the to me, that is the most

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I want to call it comical that they're

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<v Speaker 1>screaming at the top of their lungs over these funds

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<v Speaker 1>being identified, these outlandish, outrageous programs that no American could

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<v Speaker 1>find straight faced legitimate. They're not saying that the money

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go to these stupid programs like shrimp running on treadmills.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just screaming about the general focus on USA and

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<v Speaker 1>the fraud, waste abuse and defending it. For some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no denying here. There's no that didn't happen. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a lie. Elon Musk is making that up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just frustrating to

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<v Speaker 2>see and I will say though, it's it's frustrating to

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<v Speaker 2>see some of the reaction. But you know, those people

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<v Speaker 2>are the minority now, and that is a really wonderful feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>and the cats out of the bag. I mean, again,

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<v Speaker 2>those of us who are on the inside. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>it was the fact that we didn't really understand the

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<v Speaker 2>links the deep State would go to cover their tracks,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had decades to figure out ways to cover

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<v Speaker 2>up their tracks, and they're very, very good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were all in there. You know, you're drinking

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<v Speaker 2>from a fire hose is the words people often used

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<v Speaker 2>to describe what it's like to go into these positions,

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of us went in not knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>the tricks that the deep State would use not just

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<v Speaker 2>to confuse, but to try to undermine and to hide

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<v Speaker 2>what they were actually doing. All that's over. So it

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<v Speaker 2>really is great to see Elon Musk, his team, Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Government Efficiency, and most importantly, the American people see

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<v Speaker 2>this and they're behind the president and his work one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and ten percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know it as well as I do. Yeah, Mandy,

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<v Speaker 1>that they've only scratched the surface. I mean, Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>has identified some real low hanging fruit just in one

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<v Speaker 1>USA department I mentioned the Treasury Department. He's worked there

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<v Speaker 1>as long as he can get his access back centers

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<v Speaker 1>for Medicare and Medicaid Service, National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Energy, and Lord Almighty, nobody wants me, that wants

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<v Speaker 1>the military spending to be audited more than me. They

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<v Speaker 1>can't even pass an audit seven or eight times in

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<v Speaker 2>Mandy, I know, and I'm sure I'm sure you've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an interview not too long ago of one

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<v Speaker 2>of the one of the heads, one of the people

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<v Speaker 2>who was responsible for these types of audits, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she was just incredulous that people would wouldn't trust them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we felled audits, but you don't understand what an audit

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<v Speaker 2>is is essentially her response, and it doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Like again, this goes to there's this culture of people

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<v Speaker 2>in DC that are so arrogant and so flippant about

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<v Speaker 2>their very real responsibility, and when people come around asking

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<v Speaker 2>to belittle you say that, well, you don't really understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were, if you were like me, you would understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, look, Elon Musk is scratching the surface. This

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<v Speaker 2>type of misuse and and miss expenditure of funds. It

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<v Speaker 2>permeates every single agency. So there's there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>to come, and I'm excited to see it for it

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<v Speaker 2>to finally be exposed.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot more to come and maybe even I'll keep

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<v Speaker 1>my fingers crossed some criminal investigations into where this money

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<v Speaker 1>has landed. Manny gives the car author of y'all Fired,

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<v Speaker 1>a Southern bell's guide to restoring federalism and draining the swamp.

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<v Speaker 1>She had an advance on Doge. This is what the

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<v Speaker 1>book's about. And I'm sure, I said, I know she's

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<v Speaker 1>seeing it just come all to fruition with it being

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<v Speaker 1>ferreted out. Mandy. I got your book up on my

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<v Speaker 1>blow page fifty five cars dot com so people can

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<v Speaker 1>get a copy of it to the extent they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>done it already, and I'll encourage them to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been great here talking with you. Keep up the

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<v Speaker 1>great work and looking forward to another volume maybe uh

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<v Speaker 1>something like along the aftermath lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what it's like after y'all fired. Yeah, well we'll

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<v Speaker 2>come up with a gud talb. But thank you, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for having me, and thanks for the support.

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<v Speaker 1>Well pleasure, Mandy. It's been a real treat.