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<v Speaker 2>tasked him with coming up with a jazz draft trivia

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<v Speaker 2>question that will drop on you at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>this segment.

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<v Speaker 3>So stay tuned Tuesday, Sir, how are you.

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<v Speaker 4>We're doing great, Spence, what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 3>Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of stuff going on, a lot of.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff going on, and I need to give you. I

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<v Speaker 3>need to give you credit.

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<v Speaker 2>As the kids would say, I'm gonna give your flowers wow,

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<v Speaker 2>because you are good. To remind us that when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to playoff basketball, anything can happen, like a Steph

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<v Speaker 2>Curry hamstring or a Jason Tatum achilles. Unfortunately, no part

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<v Speaker 2>of me thought the Knicks had a chance against the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Celtics. Yet, for the first time since the year

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand, the New York Knicks are back in the

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<v Speaker 2>conference finals. In two thousand they played the Indiana Pacers,

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<v Speaker 2>and in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Five they will play the Indiana Pacers.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, so what's wild too, Spencer?

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<v Speaker 5>Last night I was on a flight coming back to

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<v Speaker 5>Salt Lake and I just happened to flip on the screen.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a thirty to thirty on the Knicks two

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<v Speaker 5>championship teams in seventy to seventy three, and just the

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<v Speaker 5>genesis of that and all the guys talking about it,

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<v Speaker 5>and Walt Frazier and Bill Bradley and Phil Jackson and

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<v Speaker 5>all those eyes. And it was a reminder of how electric,

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<v Speaker 5>uh the league can be, especially you know, with New

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<v Speaker 5>York being the center of it, uh, when the Knicks

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<v Speaker 5>are good and when they're competitive, and and how that

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<v Speaker 5>kind of ramps everybody up. So it's, uh, it's a

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<v Speaker 5>fun time of the year in the playoffs, especially when

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<v Speaker 5>you get to the NBA version of the Final Four.

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<v Speaker 5>But also if if you happen to be a Knicks

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<v Speaker 5>fan wherever you are, you know, it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 5>you know, maybe a semi unexpected, you know, turn of

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<v Speaker 5>events to get to spar But that's why, that's why you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Play in the playoffs. It's what happens. You know.

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<v Speaker 5>You can get that right spence or you can get

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<v Speaker 5>the flip side, which is what the unfortunately the Jazz

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<v Speaker 5>had you know, three four, five years ago, and they

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<v Speaker 5>were one of the better teams and one of the

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<v Speaker 5>expected teams to make an extended run and then stub

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<v Speaker 5>their toe a few times in the playoffs against the Clippers,

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<v Speaker 5>and and and and just you know a reminder of

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<v Speaker 5>how tenuous it is is at this time of year,

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<v Speaker 5>and how fine that line is on the positive side

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<v Speaker 5>or the negative side, just depending what can happen, right,

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<v Speaker 5>everybody had the Celtics and then Jason Tatum goes down unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 5>and but the Knicks have been playing well and the

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<v Speaker 5>Knicks have won is it four or five road games already?

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<v Speaker 5>Five road games in the first two two series. That's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the Houston Rockets, I believe have the record

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<v Speaker 5>if I'm not mistaken, in ninety four where they won

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<v Speaker 5>the championship. They won I believe it was nine road

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<v Speaker 5>games to get to the NBA Championship and they had

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<v Speaker 5>two series where they won three road games in particular

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<v Speaker 5>series on their way to doing that. And that's to me,

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<v Speaker 5>that's always been one of the great accomplishments and never

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<v Speaker 5>gets talked about enough, is how Houston made that run

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<v Speaker 5>that year, and especially all those road games they want.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it gets talked about, Smitty get Toxic, talked about

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<v Speaker 2>plenty because they beat the Knicks.

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<v Speaker 3>Who did the Jazz lose to in ninety four?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was it was it was Rocket because I

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<v Speaker 2>can remember so for our younger listeners, look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jordan had retired and as a child of the

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<v Speaker 2>Jazz and the Knicks. I thought to myself, ninety four,

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<v Speaker 2>yep is the year that the Jazz and the Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>are going to play in the finals. I had forgot

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<v Speaker 2>that Houston actually beat both teams.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, the Houston the Jazz were favored. They came

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<v Speaker 5>in as the three seed. The Houston was a sixth seed.

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<v Speaker 5>The Jazz and that that was the year the Jazz

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<v Speaker 5>that made the trade for Jeff one a second and

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<v Speaker 5>UH and and the Jets were feeling pretty good and

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<v Speaker 5>we're in a good spot, and UH and Houston went

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<v Speaker 5>That was when the first.

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<v Speaker 4>Round series were best of five, right.

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<v Speaker 5>And the Jazz had the first two at home and

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<v Speaker 5>went to to and then the fifth game was here

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<v Speaker 5>in Salt Lake, and and UH and the Jazz were

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<v Speaker 5>up seven with five minutes to go at home, and

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<v Speaker 5>UH and Clyde Drexler went on a little runs, right,

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<v Speaker 5>and UH and the Jazz couldn't stop him at that

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<v Speaker 5>moment in time. And Houston got over the hump in

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<v Speaker 5>that series and then parlayed that into a great run

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<v Speaker 5>all the way to the finals. But that was that

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<v Speaker 5>also precipitated, you know, a lot of a thinking and

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<v Speaker 5>head scratching, you know by the Jazz the next couple

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<v Speaker 5>of years really was what precipitated the Jazz bringing in

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<v Speaker 5>a Chris Morris because when we looked at that and

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<v Speaker 5>tried to analyze everything, and you never try and get

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<v Speaker 5>you know, too reactionary to those things again plus or minus,

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<v Speaker 5>because it's a series and a couple of things can

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<v Speaker 5>happen in a couple of games, and you don't want

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<v Speaker 5>to wipe away what you did over a six month

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<v Speaker 5>period over eighty two games because you had a bad weekend,

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<v Speaker 5>right or something like that. But when we looked at that,

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<v Speaker 5>the Jazz looked at, hey, if we are going to

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<v Speaker 5>get over this this hump, which the Jazz felt at

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<v Speaker 5>that time, we have a good team.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a highly competitive team.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we can really do some damage, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in these coming years with the core we have now

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<v Speaker 5>with Stockton Malone and Horniseeck. But we have to have

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<v Speaker 5>someone if we get to this spot again, that can

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<v Speaker 5>play a match up against a Clyde Drexler type guy,

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<v Speaker 5>because we're going to be seeing him again. And so

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<v Speaker 5>that precipitated the move that eventually became Chris Morris being

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<v Speaker 5>added to the team, and then we play Houston in

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<v Speaker 5>ninety seven in that Western Conference finals, and now they've

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<v Speaker 5>got a Keeam, but they've also added Barkley to go

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<v Speaker 5>along with Drexler, and the Jazz were able to counter

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<v Speaker 5>with their big three, but also Chris Morris to match

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<v Speaker 5>up some against Drexler just in terms of his length

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<v Speaker 5>and athleticism, and and the Jazz you know, pushed through

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<v Speaker 5>at that time and got to their first finals in

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<v Speaker 5>ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 3>B Russ on that team.

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<v Speaker 4>B Russ was, Yeah, he was the starting three.

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<v Speaker 5>So he oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he was, and and

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<v Speaker 5>and he became a he worked his way, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Brian Russell was a second round pick out of Long

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<v Speaker 5>Beach State and came in as as really a post

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<v Speaker 5>player out of college and made himself into a viable

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<v Speaker 5>NBA wing defender and what is commonly referred to now

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<v Speaker 5>as a three and D guy, and became a reliable

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<v Speaker 5>enough three point shooter that that helped offset what Jeff

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<v Speaker 5>Hornisack was able to do on the other wing with

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<v Speaker 5>his shooting, and then of course space that floor for

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<v Speaker 5>Carl and John to run pick and rolls and for

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<v Speaker 5>Carl to have some space to operate.

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<v Speaker 3>Down low Shandon too, right.

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<v Speaker 5>And Anderson was a rookie in ninety seven, so his

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<v Speaker 5>first two years in the league were the two years

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<v Speaker 5>at the Jazz run to the finals.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was thinking about this when I saw you

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<v Speaker 2>on the rundown today, because you had a front row

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<v Speaker 2>seat to the early Jalen Brunson experience with the Dallas Mavericks.

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<v Speaker 2>The final, I guess I'll say nail on the coffin

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<v Speaker 2>without trying to be too dramatic of Gobert Mitchell Quinn.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that group was the series you guys played

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<v Speaker 2>against Dallas. Luca gets hurt Rick, Carlisle gives the ball

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<v Speaker 2>to Jalen. You're our ball and hand guy, now, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And it worked really well, and I think it caught

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people off guard. And of course the

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<v Speaker 2>Knicks did their calculation. They said, we're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>all all in on that kid. His dad Rick as

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<v Speaker 2>an assistant. He was a Nick back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you surprised to see Jalen elevate to this level

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<v Speaker 2>or did you see it coming based off of what

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<v Speaker 2>you guys experienced.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I'm personally I'm surprised. I always liked Jalen Brunson

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<v Speaker 5>coming out of college at Villanova, you know, where they

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<v Speaker 5>won two championships. But he was he was always a

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<v Speaker 5>steadying influence. He always played with a calm demeanor. He

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<v Speaker 5>got to Dallas as a second round pick. Give give Dennis,

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<v Speaker 5>Dennis Lindsay some props. Dennis, who's the general manager of

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<v Speaker 5>the Jazz at the time, liked Rick Brunson in the draft.

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<v Speaker 5>It didn't it didn't go our way. He ended up

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<v Speaker 5>going early in the second round to Dallas, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>And again the way sometimes these things happened, Spence and

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<v Speaker 5>and people people try and write it differently than it

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<v Speaker 5>really was. But but Rick brunt Rick, Jalen Brunson was

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<v Speaker 5>a nice player for the Dallas Mavericks and a good

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<v Speaker 5>rotation guy. Donc just goes down. You look down the

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<v Speaker 5>bench and and I can give you countless times that's

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<v Speaker 5>happened over my years in the NBA where a coach,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, looked down the bench and said, well, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>pointed to and guys said, you're up, and you're you're

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<v Speaker 5>expecting not anything great, be expecting someone to maybe plug

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<v Speaker 5>their finger in the dike and just hold you in place.

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<v Speaker 5>Somehow while some of your main guys go to work

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<v Speaker 5>or somebody does something in that regard, and then somebody

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<v Speaker 5>comes out of the woodwork like Jalen Brunson against the

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<v Speaker 5>Jazz in that playoff series, and uh and and again, Spence,

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<v Speaker 5>you look at it and people will have their own

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<v Speaker 5>version of of what you should or could have would

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<v Speaker 5>have done and whatnot. But Jalen Brunson was a surprise

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<v Speaker 5>in that series, played well, helped them immensely to win

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<v Speaker 5>that series. Okay, the Jazz stubbed their toe in that regard,

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<v Speaker 5>but now here we are several years later and Jalen

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<v Speaker 5>Brunson is doing the exact same thing when everybody knows

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<v Speaker 5>he's going to do the exact same thing, and they

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<v Speaker 5>haven't been able to stop it. So it shows his persistence,

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<v Speaker 5>his development, his talent and skill level that he has

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<v Speaker 5>the confidence to play that way. And he's become obviously

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<v Speaker 5>a main guy in the NBA and has showed everybody

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<v Speaker 5>that he can lift that kind of heavy load when

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<v Speaker 5>it's called upon him. But he may never have gotten

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<v Speaker 5>to Jalen Brunson's credit, he's been able to parlay that

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I've been so impressed with his both mental

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<v Speaker 3>But even Drew Holliday, who's one of.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody's got a plan until they get hit in the

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>He I like this, I like this supporter.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, your guy here calling out like a

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I made without me? Isola is not a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I Sola's not a thing without me. But but Frank

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<v Speaker 2>there really isn't any hard data to support the narrative

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<v Speaker 2>that Tom Thibodeau plays his players too much. It does

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<v Speaker 2>not exist. And when you look at it, this year

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Kerr was playing ten guys. Steph does his hamstring,

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<v Speaker 3>The data does not exist.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a narrative that exists that Tom plays his guys

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<v Speaker 2>too much. However, I know you were traveling. But Friday Night,

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<v Speaker 2>Game six, the score is one hundred and ten to

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<v Speaker 2>seventy four. Yep, with six minutes left and Jalen Brunson

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Pull the guys, Pull the starters. I know it's top stick.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, I want to be clear, there really is

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<v Speaker 2>no data. A soul has been on this for years.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no data to indicate Tom plays his players too much,

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<v Speaker 2>so they all get hurt. Guys just get hurt, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what. But what do you make of that with

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<v Speaker 2>five and a half minutes left in the game, all

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<v Speaker 2>the starters are in and they're up forty Why do

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<v Speaker 5>Well, if you know TIBs, which I know you do,

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<v Speaker 5>is somewhat he is a high strung guy and he

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<v Speaker 5>one of those guys who just believes and he just

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<v Speaker 5>feels with his gut that no lead is safe and

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't matter. And you can talk to him, and

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<v Speaker 5>I know Rick Brunson, one of the assistant coaches, is

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<v Speaker 5>probably the best at it to be able to go

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<v Speaker 5>up to him and say, hey, coach, coach, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>let's get him out or something, and he'll he'll like

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<v Speaker 5>look at him and give him a scowl like what

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<v Speaker 5>are you talking? You know, you know, okay, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 5>wave them off or whatever. And it's just against Tim's

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<v Speaker 5>nature to do that. That's just the way he coaches.

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<v Speaker 5>He's gonna go down with with with those guys. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>it's smart, it's not smart whatever, but you're right, Spence.

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<v Speaker 5>All during the season, whenever the Knicks had a little

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<v Speaker 5>ripple or something didn't go right during the season, or

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<v Speaker 5>they had a you know, lost three or four, whatever

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<v Speaker 5>it was, there would always be people harping on it.

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<v Speaker 5>While he's playing this guys too much and it's too

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<v Speaker 5>many minutes and you gotta cut it back. As when

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<v Speaker 5>energy left and blah blah blah and whatever, and and

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<v Speaker 5>but now they're in the conference finals. They've beaten the Celtics,

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<v Speaker 5>they had some tough games against Detroit, which is an

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<v Speaker 5>of the NBA. You don't hear anybody complaining about tims

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<v Speaker 5>is playing the guys too much, right, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 5>just a narrative that that somebody gets on and somebody

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<v Speaker 5>if they're losing some games, it's gonna be oh they

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<v Speaker 5>ran out of gas. They played brunts and forty three minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't do that then to play you know whatever,

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<v Speaker 5>it's gonna be. And so you know, Tibbs is gonna

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<v Speaker 5>coach the way Tibbs has. Look he did it in Chicago, Uh,

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<v Speaker 5>always coaches the Knicks new That's how he coaches.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how he's.

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<v Speaker 5>Gonna be if he can get his team uh, to

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<v Speaker 5>a to a high level, which obviously they have. And

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<v Speaker 5>they made the big trade last summer, and they went

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<v Speaker 5>that kind of stuff they had in the bank, and

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<v Speaker 5>they rolled the dice on it. And again things have

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<v Speaker 5>fallen their way, right, they won, They won three games.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was in the Detroit series, like in

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<v Speaker 5>the last thirty seconds, things the ball fell their way.

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<v Speaker 5>They made a shot, they got to stop, they got

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<v Speaker 5>to steal the Celtics the same thing in game one,

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<v Speaker 5>and then they got the they got the thing with Tatum.

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<v Speaker 5>And so to this point, those breaks that they some

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<v Speaker 5>of them they've made themselves, but some of them have

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<v Speaker 5>happened for them. And in whatever way you want to

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<v Speaker 5>interpret it, they find themselves now in the conference finals.

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<v Speaker 5>And uh, you know, in being New York, as you

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<v Speaker 5>know very well Spence firsthand, you know, whether they win,

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<v Speaker 5>they'll be the greatest, the greatest thing on earth. And

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<v Speaker 5>if they lose, they'll they will be down in the

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<v Speaker 5>depths of you know, in the under six feet under

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<v Speaker 5>and that guy's fault and the other guy's fault and whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's just the way it is in New York.

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<v Speaker 5>And at the moment, the ride and high. So we'll

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I was just I was kind of chuckling, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little bit nervous. I mean, We're watching

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<v Speaker 2>Ogiannaobe guarding Baylor Shireman, and I'm like, what what are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing here on the other side of things. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>continue to give you credit as a guy that's like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>anything can happen. Come playoff basketball, and more often than not,

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<v Speaker 2>in a seven game series, the best team does advance.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe Indiana was just the best team. But Cleveland

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it was interesting, Smitty. After Game six,

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<v Speaker 2>Atkinson readily admitted, like they're at a level that we're

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<v Speaker 2>then Rick Carlisle steps to the podium and owns it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, we're flying. We're playing the best basketball

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<v Speaker 2>we played all year long, which is the old cliche, right,

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<v Speaker 2>play the right way at the right time of year.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make of the way the Pacers were

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it was it was a great series for them.

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, they have been running, running hot the

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<v Speaker 5>second half of the season. They've been playing very well.

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<v Speaker 5>The Indiana Pacers. They after they stumbled out of the

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<v Speaker 5>but they got their feet under them. They got through

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<v Speaker 5>the All Star break, they played very well the second half,

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<v Speaker 4>They've they've played, they're playing well.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not a surprise because they're a good team and

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<v Speaker 5>they've got good players. But when they play together and

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<v Speaker 5>they move it, it doesn't matter who gets the credit,

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<v Speaker 5>but Halliburton is the key for them, and he's got

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<v Speaker 5>that kind of a personality like Gildess Alexander does or

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<v Speaker 5>long as it gets done. And the Pacers are on

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<v Speaker 5>Haliburton misses a free throw, but he ends up with

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<v Speaker 5>the ball back as a rebound, which should never happen

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<v Speaker 5>in the NBA, and is able to stick that three

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<v Speaker 5>at the buzzer. You know, those are the things that

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<v Speaker 5>have to take place along the way if you're going

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<v Speaker 5>to have some kind of an extended playoff run. So

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<v Speaker 5>none of these things are a surprise. It's just when

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<v Speaker 5>you're the team that that it's happening too in a

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<v Speaker 5>positive way. You want to keep those things going and

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<v Speaker 5>you want to make sure that your mindset doesn't trick

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<v Speaker 5>you into thinking that you're better than you are.

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<v Speaker 4>That you understand. Okay, we got to break there.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, the other game the guy fell down and lost

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<v Speaker 5>the ball, you know, whatever it is. And so but

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<v Speaker 5>we have to stick to what we believe we can

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<v Speaker 5>do to the best of our ability to give us

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<v Speaker 5>a chance to be successful. And I think they're going

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<v Speaker 5>to be two terrific series, I really do. I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's gonna be fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we catch a break, I have a question about Donovan,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the question I will insert an opinion and

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<v Speaker 2>then I want you to go.

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<v Speaker 3>And you might get mad at.

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<v Speaker 4>Me for this. I'm already mad Spence.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well that's that's the smitty mo.

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<v Speaker 4>I can see it coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Always angry, because here's the thing, Like, ultimately, if you

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<v Speaker 2>just look at the numbers and you look at some

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<v Speaker 2>of the playoff explosions he has, he's in the most

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<v Speaker 2>rarefied of air, including Mike, including Iverson, including like individual

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<v Speaker 2>playoff scoring, Donovan is on a short list of somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's been able to do what he's done throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>first seven eight years of his career, never been out

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<v Speaker 2>of the second round, and certainly, I'm not putting a

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<v Speaker 2>team sport on one player, but I noticed at times

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<v Speaker 2>here and maybe he was out of necessity and at

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<v Speaker 2>times in Cleveland, like when he just goes all in

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<v Speaker 2>on doing his own thing. It's really fun to watch

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<v Speaker 2>at times because he's that talented and he's that good

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<v Speaker 2>and he can get his own But at times it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like his teammates stand around and watch him and

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly they're not cutting, or they're not guarding, or they're

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<v Speaker 2>not boxing out, and you've got a bunch of guys

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<v Speaker 2>standing watching one dude do his thing, and at times

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<v Speaker 2>maybe at the expense of the team, and then at

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<v Speaker 2>times he runs out of gas. We saw it a time,

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<v Speaker 2>and look, Cleveland has to rely on him in a

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<v Speaker 2>very heavy way offensively because he is that good, and

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<v Speaker 2>you guys did the same thing because he is that dynamic.

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<v Speaker 3>But at times does feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he puts blinders on to the point where maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's not conducive to team winning.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that fair or what are your thoughts on it?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I would push back on that somewhat spence. He

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<v Speaker 5>you know, he does those things because he knows that

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<v Speaker 5>he can do them. He knows that his team is

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<v Speaker 5>relying on him, that the heavy load is on him.

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<v Speaker 5>But that stuff you're talking about, that's on the other guys. Sure,

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<v Speaker 5>the other guys, that's their problem, their fault if they're

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<v Speaker 5>standing around watching him instead of instead of cutting baseline,

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<v Speaker 5>instead of spacing out weak side, instead of going and

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<v Speaker 5>getting a screen on somebody or rolling to the front

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<v Speaker 5>of the rim or whatever it is. That's on the

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<v Speaker 5>other guys to not be ball watches on the other

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<v Speaker 5>guys to understand this is what's going on. My guy

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<v Speaker 5>is about to spin dribble to his left and get

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<v Speaker 5>in the lane and try and do a double pump

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<v Speaker 5>or something at the dotted line. So I got to

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<v Speaker 5>get in a position for potential rebound, or I got

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<v Speaker 5>to at least get in front of my guy and

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<v Speaker 5>try and box him out so maybe we can get

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<v Speaker 5>offensive tip or something in those In those circumstances, Donovan,

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<v Speaker 5>I can tell you he's all about trying to win.

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<v Speaker 5>He's all about trying to do what he can to

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<v Speaker 5>affect winning for his group, and uh and those things

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<v Speaker 5>that when they've come up short, it hasn't been because

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<v Speaker 5>of him. He gives a maximum effort, as you alluded

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<v Speaker 5>to you know, big scoring numbers and all that. That's

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<v Speaker 5>what he's there to do in those instances, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>on his teammates to fill in the cracks and do

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<v Speaker 5>the other things, you know, to get you over the hump.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ready with your Jazz draft trivia question for

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<v Speaker 2>one lucky listener to go play eighteen holes at Bonneville

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<v Speaker 2>or just a basketball.

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<v Speaker 5>I got yeah, Well, I'm trying to think of something

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<v Speaker 5>that's not easy for people to just remember.

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<v Speaker 3>Google it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, find it.

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<v Speaker 5>I know it's okay. The Jazz the nineteen nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 5>seven draft the NBA. The Jazz had as their point

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<v Speaker 5>guards John Stockton.

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<v Speaker 3>And Howard Eisley.

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<v Speaker 5>Howard Eisley, and yet they still decided in the late

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<v Speaker 5>first round to pick another point guard. It did you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to give them three point guards in a in a

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<v Speaker 5>in a summer where Howard Eisley was going to be

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<v Speaker 5>a free agent, and so caused a little consternation, But

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<v Speaker 5>it was a best player available.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Who was the Jazz's first round pick in nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Went on to become a head coach. Can we give

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<v Speaker 2>that hints? Can we give that hintra now?

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<v Speaker 5>See now now the walls are crumbling. Now you're giving it,

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<v Speaker 5>giving it all away.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred text

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<v Speaker 2>more with Smithy coming up on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Other side, but joining us live in studio.

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<v Speaker 3>Corey, thanks man, all right, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I have Morris Smitty coming up next right here, AUDIESPN

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred NBA Playoff basketball returns tonight. The conference finals

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<v Speaker 2>in the West is first Oklahoma City taken on Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 2>and then tomorrow night it will be the Knicks and

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<v Speaker 2>the Celtics live from the Mecca, the world's most famous arena,

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<v Speaker 2>Madison Square Garden. Let's get his mic on Richard Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't always I always love that Spence. I always

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<v Speaker 2>love the world's most famous arena.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such an audacious player, and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Always I always quickly say myself self proclaimed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very it's it's very audacious.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things you just say it out loud,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, people just tend to latch onto it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But we we did a lot on the Knicks Pacers

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<v Speaker 2>last series. Talked a little Donovan, talked a little Calves.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's move over and ow to the West and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>end with some jazz for this segment, Smitty, Let's start

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<v Speaker 2>in Minnesota, where your old friend Rudy Gobert resides, your

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<v Speaker 2>old friend Mike Conley resides, Joey Ingles, Nikkeil, Alexander Walker.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of the jazz version Midwest Jazz, Midwest team that

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<v Speaker 2>actually is still playing and actually is good.

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<v Speaker 3>Unlike the jazz. We'll get to that in the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we talked about this with the Tatum stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if Golden State beats them with

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<v Speaker 2>Steph Curry. I know it looks a lot different, certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>But what do you make of And I read this earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was unaware the top two records in pro

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<v Speaker 2>basketball since March first, Oklahoma City won Minnesota two didn't

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<v Speaker 2>start out that well. They were trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>the Randall stuff, you know, and Julius Randall is a

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<v Speaker 2>very talented individual, offensive scorer. At times, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>Knicks asked a little too much of him, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was an All Star once upon a time, obviously a

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<v Speaker 2>very capable player. He seems to have settled in quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. What do you make of how Chris Finch's

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<v Speaker 2>coaches team of the Western Conference Finals.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think that it's taken a little while to adjust.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, I think Randall is in a good

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<v Speaker 5>spot because he doesn't have to be the guy. He

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't have to be doing all the heavy lift. And

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<v Speaker 5>obviously with with Anthony Edwards there and so he takes

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of the spotlight off. But Randall is a good,

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<v Speaker 5>good player in the mid post. And he's also a

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<v Speaker 5>better passer than most people think, and a willing passer,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think he fits in well with that group,

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00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:59.559
<v Speaker 5>you know, on the other side from Jade McDaniels, who's

632
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 5>who's really a good wing defender, has become a serviceable

633
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Speaker 5>three point shooter, and they've gotten a nice rhythm going.

634
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.839
<v Speaker 5>And Rudy has always been the ultimate team guy. He

635
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.359
<v Speaker 5>just you know, tries to fill in the cracks where

636
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 5>he can and make himself available on the offensive end

637
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.359
<v Speaker 5>and does what he does defensively.

638
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.440
<v Speaker 4>And so they're on a nice role, you know.

639
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 5>And I think it's gonna be a really competitive series.

640
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:32.400
<v Speaker 5>I really think the home teams are going to are

641
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 5>going to prevail during this this round. I just think

642
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.319
<v Speaker 5>that those guys, they seem to both play better a

643
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:42.920
<v Speaker 5>little bit more energize with their home crowds, which are

644
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 5>both really terrific you know, during the playoffs, and so

645
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 5>I think it's gonna be fun to watch, and it's

646
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:50.960
<v Speaker 5>gonna be interesting to see how they come out the

647
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 5>old Rust versus Rest, you know, a debate will happen

648
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.559
<v Speaker 5>tonight between Okay, see just coming off a tough seven

649
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 5>game series and finishing up forty eight hours ago basically,

650
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 5>and Minnesota having almost a week off, and so it's

651
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 5>gonna be interesting to see how the two teams come out.

652
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Oddly enough, OKC six and two with one day of

653
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>rest during the playoffs in Minnesota two and four with

654
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.799
<v Speaker 2>more than three days of rest, and they have five

655
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 2>days of rest obviously, Okay, see a bunch of bunch

656
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.960
<v Speaker 2>of young players probably don't need as much rest as

657
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.200
<v Speaker 2>some of the teams that are a little bit older.

658
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Let me let me ask you about Rudy though you know,

659
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I was watching it was game six Nick Celtics, and

660
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:36.079
<v Speaker 2>there was one possession where Mitchell Robinson was guarding I

661
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.640
<v Speaker 2>think it was Luke Cornette. A pass went out to

662
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the wing, Robinson goes out and closes out, comes back

663
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.119
<v Speaker 2>down check Cornette. Then the ball goes to the corner

664
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.559
<v Speaker 2>to Jalen Brown and Mitchell Robinson goes out and closes

665
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>out guarded.

666
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:48.279
<v Speaker 3>Like three different positions.

667
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>The way that the game is played now, it asks

668
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 2>a lot from a big to guard on the perimeter,

669
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 2>to get out and close out, to guard multiple players.

670
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And Rudy does as well as anybody, but for some

671
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>reason does not get the credit.

672
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 3>Why do you Why do you think that is?

673
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 2>It feels like there's just people that have dubbed their

674
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>heels in and they're just gonna hate everything he does.

675
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:10.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I.

676
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.440
<v Speaker 5>Think that that's Uh, I think you just said a

677
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.599
<v Speaker 5>lot there, Spence. I think some people get out a

678
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.800
<v Speaker 5>certain narrative and then they just won't let it go

679
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:22.440
<v Speaker 5>for whatever reason. It's you know, it's unfortunate. You know,

680
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.039
<v Speaker 5>you have to really watch the games and pay attention

681
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.079
<v Speaker 5>to to what's going on, and and and you realize

682
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 5>all of the we we had a in house metrics system.

683
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:32.039
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

684
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 5>That was a proprietary thing that we that the Jazz

685
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.719
<v Speaker 5>developed when I was there to gauge our our defensive

686
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.800
<v Speaker 5>analytics and stuff and to go off off the page

687
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.480
<v Speaker 5>of of what what the numbers showed you and uh,

688
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.639
<v Speaker 5>and Rudy constantly, you know, graded so so far above

689
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 5>everybody else in the league in terms of what he

690
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 5>meant on the defensive end to teams in games. And

691
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 5>he continues to do that. You know, he's gotten to

692
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 5>the point in his career where he knows that he

693
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:08.280
<v Speaker 5>doesn't have to do all of these you know a

694
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 5>bunch of things in the basket. He just has to

695
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 5>do some of them, and do them very well and

696
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 5>and let the other people do what they're supposed to

697
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:20.079
<v Speaker 5>be doing in order to have have some level of success.

698
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 5>And he's he's learned how to do that, and he's

699
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:27.039
<v Speaker 5>smart about it, and and and he's a guy that's

700
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 5>going to be a very valuable key from Minnesota in

701
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.639
<v Speaker 5>the series if they're going to have any success.

702
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 2>It's funny you reference and I don't pretend to know

703
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>the ins and outs of your in house metric system

704
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.519
<v Speaker 2>as it pertains to the way Rudy impacted winning, But

705
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 2>it reminds me of an interview I did when I

706
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:48.880
<v Speaker 2>was doing the show at Gordon and we had Dennis on.

707
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 2>We had Dennis lindsay on, and he hit us with

708
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 2>like ten straight stats about everything Rudy.

709
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 3>Does you know?

710
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Offensive field goal percentage, rebound percentage, black percentage, the opponent's

711
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:05.320
<v Speaker 2>field goal percentage against Rudy at the rim.

712
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean I lost track after a while.

713
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.400
<v Speaker 2>He just boom boom boom boom boom boom. Did you

714
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:13.119
<v Speaker 2>guys ever feel like you had to stand up for him?

715
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever feel like the heat he was getting

716
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>with so unfair that as an organization you had to

717
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:18.519
<v Speaker 2>get out in front of it a little bit?

718
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean there was some of that because it's

719
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 5>you know, a lot of the noise you hear, you know,

720
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:28.199
<v Speaker 5>is around up from people who are lazy, who just

721
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.239
<v Speaker 5>you know, take some you know, the cream off the

722
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 5>top and and and leave the rest of the dessert

723
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 5>there and don't don't bother digging in to see what

724
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.280
<v Speaker 5>else is going on and and uh. And it always

725
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 5>felt bad for him because not only was Rudy an

726
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:45.679
<v Speaker 5>integral part of what those jazz teams did as his

727
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:50.320
<v Speaker 5>as his career progressed, but he also we also knew,

728
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, behind closed doors, that Rudy was one of

729
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:59.440
<v Speaker 5>our guys who was really about helping the team to

730
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 5>whatever extent he could to be successful. It wasn't about

731
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.719
<v Speaker 5>his own honors, it wasn't about you know, getting attention

732
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:10.519
<v Speaker 5>to himself. He really cared about how the team was doing.

733
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 5>And and sometimes when he got attacked, and in that regard,

734
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.320
<v Speaker 5>you felt bad for him because you knew that he

735
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.960
<v Speaker 5>was trying to do the things that the coaches were

736
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.199
<v Speaker 5>asking him to do, you know, within his ability and

737
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.719
<v Speaker 5>his skill level to be able to execute that. And

738
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 5>when it didn't go well, or you know, you missed

739
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.440
<v Speaker 5>an assignment, or you missed something that happened and people

740
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 5>were pointing to you. You know, you just felt that

741
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.599
<v Speaker 5>it was unfair because you knew he was one of

742
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:42.039
<v Speaker 5>your guys who was trying to do the right thing,

743
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:43.480
<v Speaker 5>even if if he failed.

744
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes, do you think that it affected him on a

745
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>personal level, like behind closed doors? You know, because the

746
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Draymond stuff it got so old, but it wasn't just Draymond.

747
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it felt like and it still feels like

748
00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:00.840
<v Speaker 2>quite Frankly, I was watching I was watching some earlier today.

749
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.800
<v Speaker 2>It was Gilbert A. Renus who just decided to attack Rudy.

750
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.079
<v Speaker 2>He was like, he's the liability on this Minnesota team.

751
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:10.480
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, it feels like there's a faction

752
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 2>of people in the league that have just decided I

753
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 2>don't like him.

754
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

755
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you think behind closed doors it really hurt him?

756
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it got to him?

757
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:19.559
<v Speaker 4>Sure?

758
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, No, I think he I think he's he's human

759
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Speaker 5>like anybody, and you know, he would like to be

760
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.519
<v Speaker 5>recognized for his efforts and for the work he puts in.

761
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.840
<v Speaker 5>And you know, I'll tell you what nobody worked harder

762
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 5>on on his body and on his ability to move,

763
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 5>you know, from side to side, and you know with

764
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 5>his hips and being able to u recover uh than

765
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.000
<v Speaker 5>he did. And he always uh, you know, he always

766
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.559
<v Speaker 5>put the work in. He always put the time in. Look,

767
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 5>he's he's seven to two. He's got some limited true

768
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:54.320
<v Speaker 5>athletic ability.

769
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

770
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.239
<v Speaker 5>And then the rest of the stuff he asked to

771
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, make up with, you know, whether with his

772
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 5>length or with his smarts, or with his instincts or

773
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.960
<v Speaker 5>what have you. And and he was always someone who

774
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 5>would do that. And it's it's easy that you know,

775
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 5>a lot of the national guys, it's just a lazy

776
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.599
<v Speaker 5>narrative because they don't want to do the work and

777
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:17.639
<v Speaker 5>they don't really look at it. They just kind of

778
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.480
<v Speaker 5>jump on a bandwagon. And you know, as you know,

779
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.039
<v Speaker 5>spencing this business, it's all about you know, clicks and

780
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 5>you know, sound bites and whatever, and you know, whatever

781
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 5>is easy and and and so that's unfortunate, you know,

782
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 5>and you know, but but Rudy has never backed down,

783
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 5>you know, from his teammates and his coaches, and has

784
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.280
<v Speaker 5>always been there to to uh to give a maximum

785
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.400
<v Speaker 5>effort from what he can do. And yeah, he'd like

786
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:48.559
<v Speaker 5>to be one of the boys in the room. And

787
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 5>you know, have all the other guys, you know, dap

788
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 5>them up and all that kind of stuff, and you know,

789
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:56.960
<v Speaker 5>accept them into the club, so to speak. And there's

790
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.880
<v Speaker 5>some guys who are jealous that he's been recognized as

791
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.360
<v Speaker 5>uh four time NBA Defensive Player of the Year. And

792
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Speaker 5>you know it's interesting, uh you know, similar, not the same,

793
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.079
<v Speaker 5>but maybe in the same uh, in the same boat as.

794
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

795
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.719
<v Speaker 5>Now now I'm blanket out on his name that the

796
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.400
<v Speaker 5>center who won the defensive Player of the Year awards

797
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:22.119
<v Speaker 5>for the Detroit Pistons in the in the two thousands, who.

798
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 4>Was also a non Ben Wallace.

799
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:28.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Ben Wallas a non a non offensive guy, you know. Uh,

800
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 5>but Ben Wallace, you know, Rudy was longer. Rudy's you know,

801
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.679
<v Speaker 5>more effective. Maybe I don't know, Ben Wallace presents you know,

802
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:42.719
<v Speaker 5>maybe a little tougher persona or personality maybe.

803
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

804
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:45.920
<v Speaker 5>But you never heard any of those criticism of anybody

805
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 5>about Ben Wallace, you know, or you know that he

806
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 5>was short on offensive production or couldn't do this or

807
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:56.679
<v Speaker 5>that or whatever. And and for whatever reason, Rudy has

808
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:57.119
<v Speaker 5>gotten that.

809
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what that is. You know.

810
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:03.360
<v Speaker 5>Again, I think somebody way down the road, you know,

811
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 5>started that narrative and then just kind of, you know,

812
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 5>jumped down the bandwagon and decided to ride with it man, you.

813
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Know well and with little jazz stuff. But before we

814
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.440
<v Speaker 2>get there, I know your reference. You like both teams

815
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:21.960
<v Speaker 2>that have home court advantage. My only hesitancy with Oklahoma City,

816
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.079
<v Speaker 2>I guess is the way I'll put this.

817
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:24.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, look, they have everything that you want.

818
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 2>They have depth, they have star power, they have great coaching,

819
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:29.440
<v Speaker 2>they guard, they can score in a myriad of different ways.

820
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I always hesitate to anoint a team if I haven't

821
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 2>seen them do it before. Minnesota was in the Western

822
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Conference Finals a year ago. Oklahoma City beat the Pelicans,

823
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:42.519
<v Speaker 2>then got smoked by the MAVs. Do you feel like

824
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>this is Okayse's time or which way you leaning.

825
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 3>On both sides?

826
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.119
<v Speaker 5>No, I just I think it's gonna be, you know,

827
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 5>come down to, you know, beating a dead horse or spence.

828
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:56.119
<v Speaker 5>But but the team that can avoid injury can avoid somebody,

829
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:56.760
<v Speaker 5>you know, not.

830
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:58.880
<v Speaker 4>Playing in a game.

831
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.800
<v Speaker 5>Say, for example, somebody picks up three quick fouls and

832
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 5>is out extended time and the other team is able

833
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:09.079
<v Speaker 5>to take advantage of that. Hopefully we don't get another

834
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.880
<v Speaker 5>Steph Courry or Jason Tatum thing and everybody can play

835
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 5>at full strength and you can just see, you know,

836
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 5>what's going on. I think if all the guys are

837
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.679
<v Speaker 5>on the floor, and all the guys are available and

838
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.280
<v Speaker 5>playing the way that they're capable, that's that's why I'm

839
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.840
<v Speaker 5>excited for both series, because I think they're both going

840
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:29.960
<v Speaker 5>to be very competitive. I think the team that keeps

841
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:34.880
<v Speaker 5>its head within itself doesn't get caught up in all

842
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:38.280
<v Speaker 5>the you know, the historyonics they can happen at this

843
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 5>point in the playoffs and people yelling at the referees

844
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.199
<v Speaker 5>every other whistle and and getting upset about things, If

845
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.079
<v Speaker 5>you can keep your calm and just stay and in

846
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 5>your moment and and try and concentrate on what you

847
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 5>need to do next, I think that that's those are

848
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<v Speaker 5>the teams that are going to have a head up

849
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<v Speaker 5>and have a better chance.

850
00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 4>Of succeed succeeding in getting to the finals.

851
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 2>All right, before we let you go for today, let's

852
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 2>do a little Jazz basketball. So the draft is coming

853
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.320
<v Speaker 2>up on June the twenty fifth. The Jazz have number five,

854
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:11.039
<v Speaker 2>they have number twenty one, They have forty three and

855
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:15.480
<v Speaker 2>fifty three, So to first two seconds. You know, Bobby

856
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Marks joined us yesterday and did a really really good

857
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.599
<v Speaker 2>job of outlining you know my question him was okay.

858
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.719
<v Speaker 2>So the narrative is the NBA is now built for parody,

859
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.239
<v Speaker 2>and the NBA is now built by design for every

860
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.840
<v Speaker 2>team in every city to have a shot. So over

861
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 2>the past seven years, we've seen Denver win a championship,

862
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.800
<v Speaker 2>We've seen Milwaukee win a championship. This year we have Indianapolis,

863
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>we have Minnesota, Oklahoma City. Three of the final four teams.

864
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.519
<v Speaker 2>It is a perfect time for a team that plays

865
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 2>their basketball in Salt Lake City to be able to

866
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 2>capitalize on the landscape of the NBA. Unfortunately, the Jazz

867
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.000
<v Speaker 2>aren't ready, and there's five years left in the CBA.

868
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.679
<v Speaker 3>It expires in twenty thirty. I don't know what's going

869
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:56.079
<v Speaker 3>to happen.

870
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I know there's a lot of pushback from people that

871
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:01.280
<v Speaker 2>don't like the way this thing has played out. There

872
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 2>are several reports. I don't know how much of this

873
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:04.880
<v Speaker 2>is real. I don't know how much of this is

874
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.719
<v Speaker 2>true that the Jazz are going to be bold. They're

875
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.320
<v Speaker 2>going to be bold this offseason. They have the assets,

876
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.679
<v Speaker 2>they have the picks, they have the space, they have

877
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the young players. What does a successful offseason look like

878
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:17.400
<v Speaker 2>for the Utah Jazz midty.

879
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think they are they have to be bold

880
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:23.280
<v Speaker 5>because they have nowhere to go but up there there.

881
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:27.119
<v Speaker 5>They not only had the worst record in the in

882
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.719
<v Speaker 5>the league this past season, but they by a lot

883
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:33.760
<v Speaker 5>of defensive metrics, they were one of, if not the

884
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 5>worst defensive team, uh in a lot of years historically.

885
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.119
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I mean they just you know, they're just

886
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 5>not very good at the moment. So there's nobody that's

887
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 5>on the on the team that's untouchable. In my opinion,

888
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 5>I think you know, when you're when you have the

889
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:54.519
<v Speaker 5>worst record and you're not showing that you're making any

890
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 5>progress because this this defensive malaise, if you will, has

891
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.119
<v Speaker 5>been the the mantra the last couple of years. You know,

892
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.760
<v Speaker 5>then then uh, you you have to make changes. So

893
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 5>it wouldn't surprise me that they try and make a

894
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 5>lot of moves. Uh, make a lot of changes. What

895
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 5>does that yield? What does it look like? All those

896
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 5>things you know are up for grabs. I think they're

897
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 5>going to be doing a lot of soul searching, uh,

898
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.920
<v Speaker 5>in terms of what is the next step that we're

899
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 5>going to have to make to be able to start

900
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Speaker 5>seeing some kind of a relevant improvement in what we're

901
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 5>trying to do. Again, people get frustrated, people get upset

902
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 5>about what's what's taking place at the moment. Obviously, you

903
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 5>you go from hoping you get the first pick to

904
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.639
<v Speaker 5>the fifth pick. Doesn't work out, and so now you're

905
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.000
<v Speaker 5>even more frustrated. But Spence, they've only been doing this

906
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 5>for three years, and you know sometimes these things take five, six,

907
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 5>seven years, and and and some times longer. You know,

908
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.559
<v Speaker 5>you don't have control over some of the things, like

909
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:08.039
<v Speaker 5>the draft, like the draft lottery last week. So to

910
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.519
<v Speaker 5>your point, a lot of things are gonna be on

911
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.760
<v Speaker 5>the table, a lot of things are gonna they're gonna.

912
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:14.400
<v Speaker 4>Be trying to do.

913
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.920
<v Speaker 5>How much do they do, you know, to to to

914
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.760
<v Speaker 5>the to the Danny angel A mantra of big game hunting.

915
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.480
<v Speaker 5>They're gonna be trying to do a lot of that

916
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.000
<v Speaker 5>in different ways. Uh, do they come back with anything,

917
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 5>Do they have a whole different scheme in terms of

918
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:35.280
<v Speaker 5>their team and and what their personnel looks like in

919
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:39.760
<v Speaker 5>uh next October remains to be seen. But but I

920
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 5>think everything's on the table for them because they've gotta

921
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 5>they've got to show that they're which I know they're

922
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 5>willing to do, because Danny angels Willing has shown in

923
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 5>the past he's willing to do anything. Uh, but they

924
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.079
<v Speaker 5>have to show that they can start making moves that

925
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:58.559
<v Speaker 5>that look like they're making improvement and look like that

926
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.280
<v Speaker 5>they're they're moving in the right direction. Uh, you know,

927
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 5>for the uh, for the benefit of their of their

928
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.880
<v Speaker 5>season ticket holders, their fans, everybody who who are die

929
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:08.840
<v Speaker 5>hard jazz fans.

930
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Do you think they approach next year with best foot

931
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:15.000
<v Speaker 2>forward instead of inventing injuries and having Walker Castler shoot

932
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Speaker 2>seven threes a night.

933
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think they.

934
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.400
<v Speaker 5>I think they have to get they have to make

935
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:23.079
<v Speaker 5>some kind of a show that looks like they are

936
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:27.199
<v Speaker 5>getting better, they are improving, you know. To do another

937
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 5>year of this thing that they just did is gonna

938
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:33.440
<v Speaker 5>be difficult, only from this standpoint that they're gonna be

939
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:37.679
<v Speaker 5>having people breathing down their necks to say, hey, you

940
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 5>just did that and it didn't it didn't work out,

941
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 5>so you're gonna do it again, you know, And so

942
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 5>that's that's gonna that would be a hard sell, you know,

943
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.320
<v Speaker 5>to their fan base, and uh and look, nobody wants

944
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:55.400
<v Speaker 5>to lose, and nobody wants to do it on purpose.

945
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.840
<v Speaker 5>Everybody wants to try and be a better version of themselves.

946
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.280
<v Speaker 5>And I'm sure sure they're going to kick the tires

947
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 5>on a lot of different things in the next several

948
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 5>months to see, you know how they can get that

949
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:07.519
<v Speaker 5>going in the right direction.

950
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<v Speaker 2>Great to see you, my friend. We'll let you get

951
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 2>some rest. Thanks for the time, Okay, all nice fense.

952
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Richard Smith. I want to remind you guys to join

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<v Speaker 2>me Monday, June the twenty third for the twenty twenty

954
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955
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956
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<v Speaker 2>tournament go to benefit the Van nor Valor Foundation that

957
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<v Speaker 2>helps foster kids in the Adoption Foundation. Kyle was adopted

958
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<v Speaker 2>as an infant, so this cause is very meaningful to

959
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960
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