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Speaker 1: Didn't know you were a big tricky Oh god, yes, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah. Ask not what your country can do

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for you, ask what you can do for your country.

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Speaker 1: It's the Ricochet Podcast. I'm James Lileox, Charles C. W.

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Cook is here, Stephen Hayward is here, and we talked

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to former Attorney General Bill Barr about just about everything.

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So let's have ourselves a podcast.

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Speaker 3: Let me say once again to Donald Trump and Christy

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no end this occupation. Let's be very very clear. This

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long ago stopped being a matter of immigration enforcement. Instead,

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it's a campaign of organized brutality against the people of

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Minnesota by our own federal government.

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Speaker 4: This domestic act of terrorism to use your vehicle to

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try to kill law enforcement officers is going to stop,

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and I'm asking the Department of Justice to prosecute it

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as domestic terrorism.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody, It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven hundred and

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seventy two. Why don't you join us at ricochet dot com.

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Why don't you you could be part of the most

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stimulating conversations and community on the web. I'm James Lelax

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in Minneapolis, peaceful saying, oh so ordinary, Mayberry RFD, Minneapolis, Minnesota.

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And I'm joined, of course by Charles C. W. Cook

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and Stephen Hayward, and we're going to go right to

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our guest. Bill Barr an American attorney, author of one

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damn thing after another. He served as the United States

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Attorney General twice, once under George HW. Bush and again

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under Donald Trump for the president's first term. Before heading

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to the DOJ, Barr worked in the Office of Legal Counsel,

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where he penned an opinion that is said to have

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formed the legal justification for arresting Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega

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and thirty six years later the same treatment for Nicholas Maduro.

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Speaker 4: Welcome, thank you, great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Well, extraordinary rendition. That's the that's the term that's on

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everybody's everybody's lips these days. The special Forces operation that

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brings it to fruition. I guess the question remains. I

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guess some would say, looking at this, hey, what gives

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us the right to decide that this is the thing

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to do.

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Speaker 4: Well both our national security and our law enforcement system.

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The opinions you discussed really grew out of a situation

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that had emerged at the end of the Cold War.

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When I was in the Department of Justice under President

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George H. W. Bush, a lot of conflict had moved

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to what we call the gray zone. It involved things

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like transnational criminal organizations, drug organizations, cartels, and terrorist organizations emerging.

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And the question is, how could we deal with these,

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especially when they were getting safe haven in countries or

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either no man's land, and although they were technically we

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didn't sovereign territory of a country, no one was doing

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anything about it. It was sort of no man's land

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or countries that were absolutely complicit in the activity they

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themselves were criminal organizations or terrorists, favored the terrorists in

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supporting them. And how does the United States defend themselves

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in that kind of situation and deal with it? And

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one of the things I'm just going to give you

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the genesis of that opinion. One of the things we

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dealt with was that under the Jimmy Carter administration, they

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had issued an opinion saying that if something violates customary

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international law, then it's not even legal under US law,

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and the United States doesn't have the power to depart

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from it, and that was simply wrong as a matter

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of constitutional law and international law, which is customary a

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norm that countries follow or don't follow. And so wrote

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opinion that said that under customary international law, if you

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go in and carry out your law enforcement activities within

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another country without their permission, that violates customary international law.

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But it's not a violation of US law, and the

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US can do that. The US can do that and

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can bring the person back for trial. So that question

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was can we do it? Is it lawful under US law?

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international law? And the answer is normally, normally yes, it

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does violate customary international law. But in a situation. There's

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a situation, it's called the enabling, not able or unwilling doctrine,

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which is, if a sovereign country allows its territory to

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be used for anti American activity, things that are imposing

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not just anti American politically, but predatory action directed against

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the United States, hurting the American people, hurting our vital interests,

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then they have to stop it. Sovereignty is not a

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shield for that kind of activity. They have the corollary

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responsibility to stop it, and if they don't stop it,

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the country that's being preyed upon can go in and

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stop it. And we reasserted that, and under international law

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that does give us the right to go in and

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deal with terrorist organizations or drug trafficking cartels if another

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country is part of the problem. So the other aspect

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of it is that something that like that raises our

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defense powers, and you know, we can go in and

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use our defense powers to protect the vital interests of

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the United States. And remember norms. Norms vary and change

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over time because countries either follow them or don't follow them,

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and under certain circumstances they say, you know, this norm

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is not working and we're going to change it. That's

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how the twenty mile limit changed, or the three mile

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limit changed, and then it became two hundred miles. And

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that happened because some states said we're not going to

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circumstances and say this is the practice that we think

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is necessary to protect our vital interests. I know that's

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a long winded answer, but it's actually sort of a

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complicated legal issue, and I wanted to lay out its

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different facets.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot there. And before it toss this

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to the other smart guys, just one quick question. When

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you talk about international law, a lot of people say, yeah, well,

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how many divisions does Brussel have? What specifically are we

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talking about when we say international law? What complex that

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we sign up for it? And what does the enforcement

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mechanism be for them? What are the penalties for violating them?

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the norms they be a shift in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a super question, and it hits right

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at the weakness of all these critiques based on international law.

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There are two kinds of international law, roughly speaking, really three,

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but let me one is customary there's no agreement between

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the countries. A second is agreement that don't become part

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of US law. They're not so called executed into US law.

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binding effect. Indiana, like, if we're going to this is

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gonna be our fishing zone, this is going to be

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your fishing zone. You pass a Statute and say American

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fishermen have to stay on this side of the line,

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then it's part of US law. If it doesn't become

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part of US law, it's not executed into the US law,

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then it's an agreement. And uh, it's not something that

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that has binding legal effect within the United States. It's

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something addressed to the sovereign of the United States and

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essentially the conscience and prudent judgment. It's like saying, Okay,

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I'm not going to follow it. I understand their costs.

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I'll bear the cost, live with it, Okay. Now. The

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other kind are treaties that you know that are agreed

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to the true and and that that are executed, and

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then there's those that are not going to execute it.

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and the un Charter has two parts to it. Roughly,

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one is to set up an enforcement mechanism, which was

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supposed to be the Security Council, and then the other

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is to say, because we have the Security Council that's

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going to come in and make things right wherever there's

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something wrong, you shouldn't use force. And then there's language

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and it's saying the only you know that this does

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not preclude the use of force against another sovereign state

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if you're under attack, armed attack. And the basic debate

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that goes on in international laws, does that mean that

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the only time you can use force is literally when

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someone has you know, guns and is landing on your beach.

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professoria that says yes, that's the only time US doesn't

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follow that. We say we can use force to protect

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our vital interests, to defend ourselves. It doesn't have to

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be you know, if someone conducting cyber attacks, if they're

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launching poison into the United States, they're drugs, that's an

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attack on US sovereignty. We can use force to defend it. So,

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you know, that is the international law issue. But what

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makes a lot of it crazy is the premise of

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restrictions on the use of force were based on that

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there was some authority out there that would come in

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and protect you and there that has not happened. It

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doesn't work. So it's a little bit like saying, hey,

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we're going to establish a police force and you can

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give up your guns. In fact, not just give them

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up we're going to take your guns because you don't

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need them anymore because we have a police force. And

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then you never set up a police force. That's the

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world we're in and so called international law.

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Speaker 5: Hi, the child's cook kit.

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Speaker 1: I wonder.

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Speaker 5: Why, in your view is the president allowed to take

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this step without congress. Obviously, if another country came in

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took away our president, we would regard that as an

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active war. We wouldn't say it was kinetic action or

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another euphemism. Why then, does the Congress not have to

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at least pass an authorization for the use of military

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force to justify this action that was just taken.

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Speaker 4: Well, because the framers, you know, we were right at

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the time they wrote the Constitution in the eighteenth century,

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the idea of declaring war had a very special meaning.

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It was a juridical concept, and when a formal state

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of war was declared, it had it had all kinds

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of consequences. For example, under in those days, that obliged

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every citizen of your country that has declared war to

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actually treat members of the other society as enemies, and

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you were free to go and you know, seize their

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property and so forth. So it had it was a

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formal state in the eighteenth century. Now, the Framers quite

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realized that wars can be fought, that is, military conflicts,

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armed conflicts can take place that are not declared wars,

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and that frequently nations find themselves embroiled in that. So

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we fought the quasi war with France. We sent a

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squadron of frigates to actually overthrow the government of the

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Barbary Pirates and substitute another pasha. That was what they

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were trying to do there when they storm, you know,

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when they were on the shores of Tripoli. And so

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ever since the founding of the Republic, there have been

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many instances where we have had military conflict without direct

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declarations of war, and military conflict without Congress ever approving

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scores of them. And I think what has happened historically

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is that the executive has running room, and I think

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the Framers would have agreed has running room to respond

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to particular threats without going to Congress first and getting

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permission to do that. It's largely a political question uh

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to be ironed out between the you know, the butting

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of heads between the branches of government as to where

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that line is. And I think that that's a dynamic

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political process that the Framers, the Framers conceived of, and

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that Congress holds a lot of cards, they hold the money.

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Uh and and so uh, I think in practice what

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it has boiled down to is that if it is

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reacting to a particular threat that does not involve, you know,

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exploding into a major war, Uh, then the executive has

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as much latitude as as he can without going to

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Congress and getting them you know, they could they have

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levers to pull if they don't like it.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Whereas you know, starting in cold blood with a you know,

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major attack that could result in a serious military conflict

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that embroilers in a serious military conflict. Uh, you know

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in terms of its magnitude that uh, you know, that's

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the kind the thing that they would expect Congress to

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do ahead of time. So, you know, an interesting area

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that sort of was on the border here, some would think,

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was the Gulf War, where we had Congress had allowed

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us to build up six hundred thousand troops right along

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the border there, and the question was do we need

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congressional permission to actually cross the border and liberate Kuwait

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from the Iraqi army? And I actually didn't think we did,

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which is, we think we can get the permission, let's

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go up and get the permission, because that's a better

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way to take, you know, to move forward with the country.

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the Panama business from thirty seven years ago. Now, Wow,

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I'm getting old now. I don't remember now that. I mean,

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left complaining about American intervention in Latin American imperialism and

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all the rest of that. I don't remember there being

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a significant fuss from the opposition party in Congress on

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Capitol Hill. And maybe I just don't remember and I

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missed it, whereas today there's a lot of fuss. And

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I'm wondering, is that just because Trump is such a

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polarizing figure and there's this reflex to oppose anything Trump does,

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or you don't have the politics of this changed since then,

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or or is there some important difference between them and

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now I don't see one.

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Speaker 4: I think the defining characteristic of the last three to

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four decades, the thing that is driving much of what

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happens in the United States and our politics, and in fact,

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in my view, ultimately the reason there is Trump today

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is the radical move of the Democratic Party to the

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left and from a party that that was sort of

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traditional liberals and still you know, shared a lot of

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the values with their political opponents, and above all loved

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America and put America, try America first, and had some

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different ideas, but still there was a deep love for

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this country and trying to do what's right for America.

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And that's not where progressives are. Yeah, and so I

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think that is the basic difference. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take up with James separately later about

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how different Minnesota might look today if Hubert Humphrey and

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Walter Mondale were still with us since changing there. Right,

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that's a serious question. Let me shift gears to Greenland.

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I don't know if you have an opinion about Greenland.

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I mean, it's mostly thought of as a foreign policy

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defense question, I suppose, But do you have either a

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a general opinion or a specific legal opinion about what

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is going on with Trump's ambitions to acquire Greenland.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I am actually I do not think

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we should invade Greenland and start an internal conflict within NATO.

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think it would actually be a good idea to have

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America control Greenland and control it a sovereign territory, preferably.

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the West, not just you know, naval things in submarines,

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but space and so forth, And it's critical, and we

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know that Chinese and Russians are very focused on that,

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and so I am sympathetic with it. I think I

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hope it can be worked out without a military conflict,

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and I expect it will be. I think the important

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thing is that the United States has essentially plenary authority

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to do what it needs to do to defend Greenland

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and the West. And second, I think it's important that

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the United States be able to control where those where

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the minerals and the important resources of Greenland go, that

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they go to the of our allies in the West,

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not to our enemies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, opposing an invasion places you with ninety five percent

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of Americans according to polls and including ninety two percent

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of Republicans, So not exactly a bold or outrageous place

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to be. Let me ask you a question about Trump

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Two's I'm calling this non consecutive second term. And you

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know your book was called one damn Thing after another.

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I have to confess I haven't read it. And wondering

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if you got that from the old Edna Saint Vincent

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Malay line that history is not one damn thing. No,

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it's not one damn thing after another. It's the same

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damn thing over and over again.

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Speaker 4: She said, yeah, where I got it from is when

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Reagan won he asked William Smith to be his attorney general.

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And William French Smith wanted to do his homework, and

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he went to visit Ed Levy, who had been Attorney

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General under Gerald Ford. And as you know, Levy was

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an academician. He had been the head of the University

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of Chicago Law School and then president of the university.

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He wore tweety, you know, the epitome of a professor. Professor,

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and William French Smith said, you know, hey, could you

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could you tell me about the the position of attorney general,

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what it is to serve the Attorney General. He was

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expecting a discourse about the rule of law and all

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the constitution and so forth. And Levy puffed on his

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pipe and looked at him and said, it's one damn

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thing after another.

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Speaker 2: I say, right, right, yeah, right right, I see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, William Prince Smith lived.

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Speaker 2: General Smith lived down the street from my parents where

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I was growing up.

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Speaker 4: But so I didn't know him.

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Speaker 2: But well, the reason I bring this up, and you know,

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you may, you know, not wish to answer it too fully,

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but so Trump one, I'll put it this way. You know,

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you suit it up again. You had a number of

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people appointed to cabinet position who I mean, there were

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a few of the so that we say, idiosyncratic people

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around Trump in the first administration, but you also had

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conventional Republicans you might expect in any Republican administration. You know,

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what's his name from Exxon for Secretary of State and

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so forth. This administration, Well, put it this way. Just

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give you one example. The contrast between alex Asar a

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good friend of mine, and RFK Junior and Health and

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Human Services is about as night and day as you

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can possibly get. There don't seem to be any conventional

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Republicans in the cabinet, with one or two exceptions like

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Secretary of State Rubio. And you know, it's a lot

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more a loyalist, which I understand a reason for that,

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but also non conventional, non belt way or is the

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mag of people will put it, non swampy people, right?

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What do you make of all that? Is this deliberate

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conscious wise? How do you evaluate this difference between Trump

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one and Trump two?

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Speaker 4: Well, I would say, you know, it's Trump making an

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adjustment based on what he felt with the dynamics of

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the first administration, starting with Russia Gate. You know, I

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think history would have been a lot different had the

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Democrats not not I won't say democrats, I would say,

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you know, those involved in that and the progressive way

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of the Democratic Party and the media plate especially tried

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to orchestrate was effectively a coup. And I think history

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would have been different had he not met that as

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soon as he walked into the Oval office. And I

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think the other thing is I felt I think he

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felt that, you know, one of the problems was the

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entrenched deep state and the perfidy of the many in

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the who worked in the senior ranks of the career people.

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He felt that sabotaged his administration, and I think he

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felt that, and I think he believed that you have

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to fight fire with fire, and that the only way

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to break out of this trajectory the country was on

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was the fight fire with fire and really take on

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the progressives, you know, much more aggressively than our normal

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political punk Kilio would permit. And so he's off on

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that course, and he may prove to be right as

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a great disruptor and someone who achieves things. My own

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concern which I don't like fighting fire with fire, I

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think obviously he's right at the other side has played

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dirty and Republicans tend to play by the Marcus of

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Queensberry's rules. But I'm not sure the answer to that

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is to descend to their level. I'm concerned about that

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and what it does to our institutions over time. And

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the other thing is that I'm you know, I do

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get worried that that that style may lead to unnecessary

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blowback and backlash that makes it harder to achieve our

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harder than necessarily achieve our agenda. But I do understand

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his frustration, and I think he is accomplishing things that

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require bold leadership and aggressive leadership, and so I still

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feel that I am much or happy that he's in

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charge of things. Alternative.

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Speaker 5: I have a question about the Insurrection Act. I think

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Trump may not end up needing it, as he's indicated,

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because he can send troops in to defend federal assets

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without the Insurrection Act. Obviously, there are various parts of

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the Insurrection Act, some of them seem easier to meet

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than others. What I want to know is what would

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constitute as an insurrection, not as a blocking of federal

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law making it difficult for the federal government to execute

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the law, which is part of it, but what would

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constitute an actual insurrection as imagined by those who wrote

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that law in eighteen oh seven.

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Speaker 4: So I handled the last the last times it was

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ever used, you know, I it was involved in sort

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of orchestrating it. One was I was at the under

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Bush and it was the breakdown of law and order

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in Saint Croix, and then after that ninety two in

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La Those are the last times it was actually invoked.

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I actually don't have in front of me, don't remember

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the exact language. But insurrection really isn't the test. There's

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you know, best specific language about about uh you know

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uh uh interfering with the federal function and provoking you know,

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rioting and stuff like breakdown of law and order that

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you know, those are usually the things you look for.

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It doesn't have to you know, overthrowing the government is

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a specie of it, but it doesn't You don't need

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over an intent to overthrow the government, uh, in order

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to establish an insurrection. It's basically a breakdown of law

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and order that the that's not being carried out. You know,

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where the state is is not you know, sufficient to

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to enforce law in order, and and the and the

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federal government force is needed. That's essentially what it is.

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And what's happening now is you know the Bolshevik and

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Leninist idea of make them feeling the whip of the cossack.

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That is the way you radicalize the population is by

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provoking the government authority to use force. Uh. And that's

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and that's making him feel the whip of the cossack.

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And then you say, these people are fascists and you know,

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look at them, there's a pressing liberty and so forth.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: That's the tactic that's being used. And I and I

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you know, there's another thing going on here, which is

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a subtle legal point, but people have to understand, you know,

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the law. Justice Scalia wrote an opinion called the Print's

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Opinion where he basically said that the federal government can't

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force the state too to carry out federal law. That

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law involved gun control, and the law required the state

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officers to do things and affirmatively do things to carry

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out the federal scheme, and Skilly said, you can't commandeer

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the state to do that stuff. Unfortunately, that's been taken

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to the point where the state feels that it's able

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to just not do anything to help or to respond

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to information requests or any kind of help to the

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federal government. And what we're seeing now, to me, is intolerable.

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The police force would protect any other group that was

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going about its lawful business and was being interfered with

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by mobs. They would keep the peace on the street

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and keep the mob from interfering with the lawful activities

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of a convention or whatever is going on here. They

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are abdicating their responsibilities and leaving the mobs to directly

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attack federal officers and create a variance indiary situation that

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comes pretty close if it doesn't cross the line into insurrection.

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They are they have they are promoting the rule of

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the mob, directing directed against the federal government, where they

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wouldn't permit that for any other group, and that, to

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me is unacceptable and something has to be done about it.

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Speaker 1: But what here in Minneapolis? The mayor has said that

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he wants the police to fight the ICE agents, and

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the chief of police was standing next to him as

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he said this and raised an eyebrow sort of spock

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like as that was being said.

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Speaker 4: What is it that is insurrection?

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Speaker 1: But that's what it seems like to me? I mean,

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what is to be done? As as the man said,

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sure of the Insurrection Act? What can we do? Because

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I mean, we have in this city where I live,

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and no, I haven't seen it. It happens elsewhere. I

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did have a woman drive by my house honking and

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pointing at a black suv and blowing a whistle and

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mouthing the word ICE, but I think it was actually

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a tree trimmer guy who was making the neighbor. So

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that's as close as I've gotten to it. But what

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what can we do? Because I mean, every day ends

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with the culmination of shots of somebody taking of the

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guys walking out with the pepper bullets and you know,

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hitting them, the knogging and off they go. But we

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see cars ripped open, we see documents taken, we see

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all manner of things that that that border on pe

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civic disorder that looks like it's going to What should

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we do short of the Insurrection Act to get my

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town a little bit more sane, safe and stable. And

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of course people will say, well, just pull out ICE,

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just disband ICE, that's all you got to do.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, you have to. You have to

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be smart about which cases to use and what circumstances

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to push the principle. But for example, if if someone

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00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,319
gets up and makes a speech or does something to

480
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,519
promote interference in federal law enforcement, they should be arrested

481
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,759
and charged. That's not insurrection. That's obstruction or a conspiracy

482
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,559
to obstruct or what have you. You don't need an insurrection.

483
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,960
You know, these people stand up in meetings and say,

484
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,400
you know, if an ICE person comes into this school,

485
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,400
we're going to have our police officers blah blah blah h.

486
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,440
That is interference with the federal function. Could it be insurrection?

487
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:14,160
You could call it insurrection because you don't have to

488
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,000
call it insurrection. I think you go for those kinds

489
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,079
of examples and you start and you start prosecuting people

490
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:23,759
for that kind of interference. I do think you also

491
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:30,160
have to consider bringing suits and going after the politicians

492
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,799
who have created this situation and are doing it. You know,

493
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:38,960
they're basically withdrawing police protection from the federal government. No

494
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,640
one's asking for the local police to go in and

495
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,440
make the arrests, but we're asking for the normal protection

496
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:49,119
that every other entity in the United States would get.

497
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,599
And by withdrawing it, you know, I think there's a

498
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,839
violation of the law going on, and I think that

499
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,160
they should be held accountable for it. But you know,

500
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:01,720
this is why the left is so city is because

501
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:05,039
this is exactly what they want to trigger. They're very

502
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,319
good at playing in the gray zone, going so far

503
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,960
and then creating a reaction and then demonizing. Of course,

504
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,680
the media plays that game. So it's a difficult situation.

505
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,119
The administration is handling the best they can. I would

506
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:26,079
just say it takes good judgment to know exactly you know,

507
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,000
where to where to harass, where to take your stand,

508
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:30,799
and so forth.

509
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: Well, the optics around here are lousy. But that's what's

510
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,440
going to happen when you have the clash of the

511
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,920
people who are carrying out their constitutional federal duties and

512
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,079
the people who are obliged to oppose them because they

513
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:46,359
don't believe that there's anything wrong with being legal immigrant

514
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:48,759
in the first place. Just if you know, as the

515
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,519
man said today, that this is stolen land, an ergo

516
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,960
or there's no legal, philosophical, moral precept to arrest somebody

517
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,359
for being here. When you mentioned fighting fire with fire,

518
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,799
I mean it's been the administration has been using a

519
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,720
flamethrower versus a birthday camble. They have not backed off.

520
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,079
They have gone full force at this. Do you see

521
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,400
in that a sort of resolution that seems a contrary

522
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,079
with the way that Republican administrations have worked before, because

523
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,440
usually something bad happens, they back off and say, forgive us,

524
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:19,960
will be nice.

525
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,079
Speaker 4: Now that's you know, no, I think that's the that's

526
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,319
the thing that is is good. You know, there are

527
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:32,079
many things. Is Trump is taking the bull by the

528
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:35,200
horns and tackling difficult issues that everyone else has just

529
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,799
kicked the can down the road. And I give him

530
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:43,799
a lot of respect and and applause for for that,

531
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,279
and this is an example of that.

532
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:46,599
Speaker 1: Uh.

533
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,759
Speaker 4: You know, we at the end of the day, we

534
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:53,160
need to control our borders. That requires not accepting the

535
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,960
fact that millions came in illegally under Biden and now

536
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,680
they have to be they have to be deported and

537
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,200
we have this insists on the rule of law, and

538
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,920
that's a difficult process to carry out, and I think

539
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,680
he's right in making sure it's carried out. So you're right.

540
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,079
I mean, one of the reasons things have gotten as

541
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:18,359
bad as they have is because Republicans, you know, frequently

542
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,119
in the past have been in the situation of because

543
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,519
largely because of the pressure of the media and the

544
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640
and the monolithic media we have in this country at

545
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,160
in the country, you know, would pull back and not

546
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,960
take the heat for doing what had to be done.

547
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,839
That's why I support what he's talking about on the cartels.

548
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,640
You know, it is ridiculous that we have these narco

549
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,839
terrorist states right south of us carrying out these predations

550
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,880
where the casualties are higher than they were at the

551
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,119
peak of World War Two in the United States were

552
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,200
killed in action, And what are we supposed to do

553
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:58,599
about it? You know, it's not a problem of locking up,

554
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,519
you know, all the the pushers on the corners in

555
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:04,559
our inner cities. That's not going to stop it. It's

556
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:06,839
going to the root of the problem, the head of

557
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,519
the snake. And when we've done that, we've made great progress.

558
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:13,559
We wiped out the Cali and the Mediane cartel. Clinton

559
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:18,759
comes in, pulls back from engagement over there in South America,

560
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,880
they get re entrenched, and we have to go down

561
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,279
there and take these organizations on. We can crush them.

562
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,119
And you know what venefit I've been saying all along.

563
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,759
You know, the war is not the way it used

564
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:33,240
to be. Where a carpet bomb city. Okay, we can

565
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,799
be very precise. You know, Siria showed that where we

566
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,960
destroyed isis very small group of American special forces. We

567
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:46,000
know where these people are, We know exactly where they are,

568
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,039
and we can take care of the problem and those countries.

569
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:54,160
Even if even if you think Mexico government is not complicit,

570
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,440
even if you thought that and you thought they really

571
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,200
wanted to deal with it, they couldn't do it. The

572
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,079
only way we'll get done is the United States going

573
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,680
down there. And so Trump is right, he's taking the

574
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,559
bull by the horns. And when we discussed this in

575
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,920
the first term he said that, he said, you know

576
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,680
it's this is tough, but you know I came into

577
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,559
office to deal with the tough problems, not kick the

578
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:17,519
can down the road.

579
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Who's going to do it?

580
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: How are we going to deal with this? And so

581
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,680
I support him taking on some of these tough issues,

582
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,960
the immigration issue, the drug issue and so forth, and

583
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:35,279
delivering you know, the hard, the hard medicine that it requires,

584
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,079
and not chickening out. That's what's good.

585
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,119
Speaker 1: That's what's good. Bill Barr. We thank you for being

586
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:42,440
back to the show. It's been a delight to have

587
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,680
you and to hear your opinions again. The last book

588
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,160
is one damn thing after another. Go buy it and

589
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,160
wait for the next one. And we look forward to

590
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,559
the next time we speak. Thank you, thank you, yep

591
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:59,920
bye bye, hie. The he is when it comes to

592
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,720
the cartels, I was I thinking as he was speaking

593
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,519
about that, that we could indeed, you know, use Oh,

594
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,679
now we know what it is that we had the

595
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,159
object lesson of the Special Forces versus the Cuban soldiers.

596
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,280
There was a film today that I saw on Twitter,

597
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,920
and I think it actually may have been Charles who

598
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,559
responded to it. They were bringing the bodies home from

599
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,119
Venezuela to Cuba. And was it you Charles who actually

600
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,880
asked the question, why are they in shoe boxes?

601
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 5: It wasn't, but I did want to oay.

602
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because there were the very small coffins and

603
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,800
they had it's all that they could probably get up

604
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,440
with a spatuel on a tweezer. Oh so, yes, there

605
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,519
are things that can be done. Question is, gentlemen, now

606
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:45,400
is let's quickly whips saw around the world and put

607
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,000
on our other hats of expertise that we do not

608
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:55,039
deserve to wear. Did we flinch with Iran or did

609
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:58,920
we tens in such a way that revealed all the

610
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,119
things that they were planning to do? In response, That's

611
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,079
been one of the theories that I've been There's a

612
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:07,639
couple of people that have been following who are quite

613
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,519
quite interesting. I'm not saying they're right, but they're quite

614
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:14,119
interesting in putting together what this means, what that means,

615
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,559
what this mobilization means, what that mobilization means. And they

616
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:21,840
made the point that a when we seem to be

617
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,840
on the verge of a blow we got a pretty

618
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,920
good idea of what lit up. And secondly, at this

619
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:33,440
very moment, the pizza tracker is hitting record numbers. So

620
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,679
who knows. So I'll shut up and let you guys

621
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,800
tell me what you think.

622
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,119
Speaker 2: Oh boy, what problem is is we're really only speculating

623
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,199
by what we can get out of the news media,

624
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,920
which may not even be close to accurate or penetrating

625
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,679
to what really is going on behind the scenes. A

626
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,760
couple of things I think we do know or can conclude.

627
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,440
One is, apparently the scale of the massacre in Iran

628
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,760
is massive, and maybe even more than it's been reported.

629
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,800
But now i'd heard a week ago, by the way,

630
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,039
when the so called official figure, whatever the heck that is,

631
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,360
was a few hundred and I was hearing then from

632
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,920
somebody in Washington. No, no, it's many thousands are being

633
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,400
killed now, And three or four days later, that's what

634
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:18,719
started to get out into the reporting. On the other hand,

635
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,480
you did hear that Iran paused at least planned executions

636
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,880
of several hundred people. Now is that a concession they got,

637
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,199
a concession they gave to get Trump off their back.

638
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,800
I don't know. It could just be a pause. I

639
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,199
wouldn't for a moment take that to the bank and say, ah,

640
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,679
we've made real progress here. The third question is this

641
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,719
may be a case of where we did not have

642
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,920
and this has been reported, we did not have sufficient

643
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,800
military assets to make an effective strike. Apparently our one

644
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,159
carrier is not yet in Persian Gulf.

645
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 4: The Lincoln was over.

646
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: Somewhere near Asia, I guess, and is steaming at top

647
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,880
speed to get there. And then I Ron a huge country,

648
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,400
densely populated in places, and so how do you do

649
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,920
strikes that are going to actually erode the regime? It's

650
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,519
one thing to take out their nuclear facilities and so forth.

651
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,159
So you can see that there are some difficulties, practical difficulties. Well,

652
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,079
all right, what are we going to do? And I

653
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,400
have no idea what might be done. It's also reported

654
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,440
again who knows accurately or not, but the Jerusalem Post

655
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,320
has usually got good sources that Prime Minister net Yahoo

656
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,559
asks President Trump to hold off for now. Who knows

657
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,320
what the Israelis are doing inside the borders of Iran.

658
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,840
We tend to ascribe magical powers to the masade in Iran,

659
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,679
and they have done some amazing things in the past.

660
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:43,280
But bringing down this whole regime is a tough thing

661
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,880
to do. The last thought. Sorry I'm rambling here, but

662
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,760
I do worry that we now look like we did

663
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,880
in nineteen fifty six when we encourage the Hungarians to

664
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,320
revolt and then did not lift a finger to help

665
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,800
them when they did. I think it would be shameful.

666
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,880
The outcome of this is the runnine regime survives, and

667
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:06,719
Trump essentially said, well, never mind any other fears, Charles,

668
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:07,360
or are.

669
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: We just going to leave it at that? Well I

670
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:18,320
don't like spiders, Well there we go, rachnophobia. We can

671
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,039
add to your other phobias and the things that are

672
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:24,320
are bad. So we'll see. Yeah, we will. I don't

673
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,360
think it's over, but I have been up and I

674
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,199
can't tell you how many times I've seen, you know,

675
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,400
the street rise up and then nothing happens. There's an

676
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,079
inexhaustible supply of thugs that they can get from other

677
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,239
countries to come and shoot and be we'll see you.

678
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 5: One of the reasons this one's so depressing, other than

679
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,159
that it's been promised on so many occasions and our

680
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:54,079
hopes have been dashed, is that this is one of

681
00:38:54,119 --> 00:39:03,599
the few examples of a country that needs and would

682
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:08,320
do well out of a revolution. I'm a conservative, I'm

683
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,920
not reflexively in favor of revolution or chaos or the

684
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,719
overthrow of the existing order. And as I've said many

685
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,880
many times when discussing the American Revolution, the American Revolution

686
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,320
was a strange one relative to say, the French Revolution

687
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,800
or the Russian Revolution, in that it was small, c conservative,

688
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,239
it was restorative. It was full of people saying, we

689
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,320
want to be more like the country that we thought

690
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:40,199
we were, rather than we wish to get rid of them.

691
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,760
There was no reconstituting the clocks or forcing people to

692
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,079
call each other comrade or any of that. All the

693
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:50,159
letters to the king in seventeen seventy four said please

694
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:54,960
give us our birthright. Usually that's not.

695
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,199
Speaker 1: The case, but in Iran it's sort of.

696
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 5: Ease because the transformation that that country underwent. It wasn't perfect,

697
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,519
of course, nor was the Shah, but the transformation that

698
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:10,039
that country underwent from nineteen forty to nineteen seventy nine

699
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,679
was remarkable. There was massive increases in literacy. It was

700
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,840
an educated populous. It was secular, by which I don't

701
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,280
mean it was irreligious, but that it was not subordinate

702
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:28,320
to a politicized form of Islam, and a revolution would

703
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,800
presumably give an awful lot of that back.

704
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,159
Speaker 1: In other words, it would.

705
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,039
Speaker 5: Remove the crazies, it would remove the totalitarians. And this

706
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:39,760
is why it's just so depressing watching it not happen,

707
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:46,000
because it's an undoing of a wrong and I keep thinking, oh, finally,

708
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:49,519
you know that thing that happened is going to be fixed,

709
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,039
and it just doesn't seem to. But it's an odd

710
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:55,000
sentiment to feel as a Bourkian.

711
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: Well, yes, but no, as much as it's obvious that

712
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,679
the country suffered went backwards as endure hideous mismanagement. I mean,

713
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,840
there's a post on a ricochet ricochet dot com, by

714
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,480
the way, the side that you all should go to

715
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:13,679
and join and sign up for and comment at a well,

716
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,960
why people weren't marching for the protesters when they were

717
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,239
marching for Gaza And it's one of those it's not

718
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,679
a real head scratcher. Nobody posts something like that because

719
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:23,719
they really can't figure out the answer. What do you

720
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,960
guys think? I mean, obviously, so it's the fact that

721
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,559
it's anti American, it's the fact that it's anti Israel.

722
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:33,760
It's the fact that it is. As many have pointed out,

723
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:37,119
you know, Islam has been conflated now and redefined into

724
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:40,440
being a race. So if somebody is protesting against Islam,

725
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,800
then they are giving aid and comfort to all the

726
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,239
mega hat racists in you know, VFW club somewhere. No,

727
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,119
they've seen what it is. But the other thing is

728
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:57,119
that perhaps it is a command economy in a lot

729
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:59,800
of ways. Now it's a very corrupt economy, it's incredibly

730
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,880
but it is a command economy in many ways stifles

731
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,840
that you know, Persian bizarre instincts. And some people are

732
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,800
saying that, you know, we don't want to give them

733
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,239
too much, the protesters too much credit because they you know,

734
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,960
the ideas well. Yes, Iran has handled it badly, but real,

735
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:22,199
real theocratic socialism hasn't been tried. Which I'm quoting. I'm

736
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,239
quoting myself there and sounds something I came up with spontaneously.

737
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,159
So there's lots of reasons for people not getting behind this,

738
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,960
and it'll be interesting. I also think that if there

739
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,480
is a successful coup and the SHAW does come back,

740
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:36,559
or the SHAW is integrated into whatever they come up

741
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:39,159
with afterwards, that it's going to irritate all those people

742
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,079
who are who are bringing up the coup of the

743
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:44,800
early fifties over and over and over again. Is one

744
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,119
of the dominating original sins of the Middle East. You know,

745
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:49,880
how could you expect anything to go well in twenty

746
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,119
twenty six when we topple you know, when we toppled

747
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,360
most of the day the Kami in nineteen fifty one

748
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,599
or fifty three or whenever it was. They'd have to

749
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,159
stop talking about that then.

750
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 5: Have a national security interest in making sure that all

751
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,320
those beautiful Persian women don't have to avail.

752
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,079
Speaker 1: Yep, that's a big part of it. It's a big

753
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:11,639
part of it. And you were just so pretty. And

754
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,840
they're all behind these pieces of claw, I know, but

755
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,679
they've taken them off now and they're lighting cigarettes with

756
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,719
pictures of comedy. Come Inny and I love that. It's

757
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,960
a gorgeous still hot, I know.

758
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,519
Speaker 5: And did you pack into one picture some beautiful Persian

759
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:30,400
women lighting a cigarette she's going after a theocraft.

760
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. It's just beautiful. And you'd think that

761
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:37,360
she would be out there as a as a you know,

762
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,599
knocking Gruta Thunberg of the off the pedestal the most preferred,

763
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:43,000
but unfortunately she's pretty, so we can't have that.

764
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

765
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: The Bill Barr talked, we were talking before about Greenland,

766
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,800
which I regarded right now is just sort of an

767
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,280
interesting and amusing diversion. And I Stephen wanted to say,

768
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,000
ninety two percent of people don't want don't want to.

769
00:43:57,159 --> 00:43:59,880
I want who are the eight percent of people who are?

770
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,079
Who are? Who are?

771
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 4: It's only one right?

772
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,039
Speaker 1: The seven said yeah, you're packing their kit bag and

773
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:10,360
saying over there. I mean no, I have not, in

774
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,119
my entire life, given more than an hour's worth of

775
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:16,239
thought to Greenland other than well, it looks big, but

776
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,079
I think that's a distortion of the mercader perspective. It's

777
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,639
probably not that big. And why is it called green

778
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,079
when actually it's full of ice? And why is called

779
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,239
ice when it's actually quite an eye? Yeah, that's it.

780
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:33,679
But you know, what's what's there that we need other

781
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,880
than the fact that it's where it is?

782
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:39,079
Speaker 2: Oh well, first of all, I'll be really brief because

783
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:40,519
I want to toss to Charlie on this because he

784
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,079
wrote a terrific piece about how we can't afford this. Uh,

785
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,000
And I think I mean I entirely agree with that.

786
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:47,440
I mean, I think the main point is right, it's

787
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,199
a lot of money that we don't have right now. However,

788
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,679
I guess it's mineral rich. I mean oil gas precious

789
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,599
uh uh, you know, the rare earths and stuff that

790
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:58,039
we'd like to develop a supply independent of China. That

791
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:01,239
all makes some sense and strategic important, That all makes

792
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,599
sense too. One worry that I have is that if

793
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,280
we do acquire Greenland, then it's going to be federal property,

794
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:11,079
and that means it's subject to the political control like

795
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:14,119
all other federal property that has been a plague on

796
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,079
us for mining and oil and gas production for decades now, right,

797
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,440
I mean the energy boom in this country has almost

798
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:26,400
entirely occurred on privately owned land and state owned land

799
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,519
out west where the federal government had minimal tools.

800
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: To obstruct it.

801
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,039
Speaker 2: And so if you have all of Greenland is federal property,

802
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,079
well guess what The environmentalists under a democratic administration are

803
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,639
going to declare it a national wildlife refuge for you know,

804
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,280
ice bacteria or something, and good luck extracting the value

805
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,159
from it, because I could see, you know, admortizing the

806
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:50,519
price of acquiring Greenland if Denmark would sell it from

807
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:54,360
the economic potential of the place. But no one's ever

808
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,079
talked about that. And I think the idea that you

809
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,400
privatize it right away, which is what you ought to do,

810
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:01,880
who would buy it right I mean, there's all kinds

811
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,159
of problems with the idea that Charlie just just barely

812
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:06,360
begins to get in this piece.

813
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Charlie, No, that's all fair.

814
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,519
Speaker 5: And that was a really good counter argument to my

815
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,239
piece by John Perry at National Review in which he

816
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,519
made some of these points. My argument really was just

817
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:25,079
that I accept that we are broke, and indeed not

818
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,159
just accept it, but talk about it all the time.

819
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,960
We have thirty eight trillion dollars of debt. We're spending

820
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,880
more than it would cost to buy Greenland on servicing

821
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,280
the debt every year nine hundred billion to trillion dollars.

822
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,440
At the moment, Medicare is more expensive than that, Medicaid

823
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,920
is about the same price. You know, Congress is not

824
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,519
going to do this because it would require cuts. But

825
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,880
leaving aside that it is unlikely that we're going to

826
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,719
buy it, and I hope unthinkable that we would invade it.

827
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:05,239
Seven hundred billion dollars for Greenland is a steel. It

828
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,760
is enormous. It would increase the size of the United

829
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,960
States by twenty two percent. It has so much oil

830
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,440
and natural gas that have all of the world's production

831
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:26,000
everywhere other than Greenland ceased. It could feed the need

832
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:31,079
for oil and natural gas globally for three years. It

833
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:36,639
has an enormous number of rare minerals that we need,

834
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,599
and it's militarily useful. Now you're absolutely right, Steve. The

835
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:47,360
United States has been really suicidal when it comes to

836
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,320
the use of public lands.

837
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: I don't think the US would be worse than.

838
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 5: Denmark, which has treated it like a zoo and declined

839
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,880
to permit any extraction. But if you were going to

840
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,719
do it, then you would have to buy it, homestead

841
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,320
it quite quickly, and set in place a set of

842
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,960
rules that permitted private enterprise to go and get the

843
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:19,360
stuff that is under the ground and under the snow,

844
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:23,920
which would be more expensive than it is in say Oklahoma. Granted,

845
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,159
if we did that, I think seven hundred billion dollars

846
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,880
is a pretty good price. And the last point that

847
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,239
I made is that an awful lot of America's land,

848
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,840
about forty percent of it was bored in the Alaska purchase.

849
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,199
The Louisiana purchase, we bought much of the Southwest. It

850
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,239
wasn't bought so much, but Florida was in the eighteen

851
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,639
twenties added to the United States. We took on their debts.

852
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: And every time we've done.

853
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,199
Speaker 2: This, it's worked out pretty well.

854
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,559
Speaker 5: And every time we've done this there have been people

855
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,440
who thought that it was really stupid. Thomas Jefferson was

856
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:08,840
mocked for the Louisiana purchase. Seward in eighteen sixty seven

857
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,400
was mocked for wanting to buy Alaska. It was nicknamed

858
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,719
Stewart's folly. It didn't become popular until eighteen ninety when

859
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,280
we discovered gold everywhere in Alaska.

860
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: It's worth saying as well.

861
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 5: Seward was the guy who originally wanted to buy Greenland.

862
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,280
That was part of his plan. He only got Alaska,

863
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,480
but he wanted Greenland. Harry Truman tried to buy Greenland

864
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:31,760
in nineteen forty six. This is not something that Trump

865
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,960
streamed up. So I don't think we're going to do it.

866
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,360
I don't think we're going to afford it. I don't

867
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,039
think we would make the necessary sacrifices. And I agree

868
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,159
with you. There might be problems going forward with the

869
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,159
rules that Congress would set or a democratic president would impose,

870
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,199
But in the abstract the idea is treated as if

871
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:51,280
it's lunacy. Donald Trump's crazy idea.

872
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: It's not crazy.

873
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 5: It's actually very sensible if you look at it as

874
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,800
a purely commercial transaction.

875
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: It's entirely possible that at the end of the day,

876
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,840
what we will get are some mining concessions, and we'll

877
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,920
be able to go in and extract some things to

878
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,719
further decouple from China, in which case one might say

879
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,719
that the whole thing about invasion and the rest of

880
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,119
it was just setting up an absurd point that actually

881
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:14,960
got everybody's attention, and this was sort of, I don't know,

882
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,599
clever deal making. We'll see. I do know that when

883
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:21,320
you mentioned Seward's folly, that it's been a long time

884
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,960
since anything has been called a folly, and I always

885
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,920
enjoy those because they always point to the most successful

886
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,280
things that ever happened in the human history. Somebody was

887
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,639
calling it, you know, we're going to they're going to

888
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:35,599
be saying, you know, Elon's folly is the rocket that

889
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,840
that begins colonization of Mars. For example, there will be

890
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,320
a I'm always curious how many of those were they Well,

891
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,079
I know they do, so I don't know how many

892
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,800
of these, whether or not being called a folly by

893
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,920
some drunken wagon the press is actually, you know, it's

894
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,480
actually a guaranteur of success.

895
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:57,639
Speaker 2: Well, now, James, speaking of folly and rockets to places,

896
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,559
I have an important cultural question for you, all right,

897
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:02,920
have you had the misfortune of seeing the new.

898
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,159
Speaker 1: Not even not going there? No, no, nope, for the

899
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,599
first time you how for that it is for the

900
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,559
first time in my life, For the first time in

901
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:17,480
my life, I have refused to even begin to watch

902
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:19,280
a Star Trek show. And I cannot tell you how

903
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,280
painful this is. I've been there for every single one

904
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,519
of these bleapity beliefs, including Discovery, for which I had

905
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:27,239
a certain amount of hope at the beginning, until that

906
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,239
rapidly just ebbed away within the first fifteen to twenty

907
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,159
minutes of that thing. No, I am not going to

908
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:36,440
watch it. One of the things that I saw, I

909
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,599
mean everything that I see. First of all, to me,

910
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:42,320
the idea that a thousand years hence that the Federation

911
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,760
stills is like that in a speaking English and the

912
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,920
set design is basically the same as ridiculous. And I

913
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,599
don't want to go there. I don't want to look

914
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,519
at a gem hadar klingon high Bred. I don't even

915
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,239
want to think how that happens. I don't like the

916
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:57,679
look where she looks like she's from hr and she's

917
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,000
come to say something about a joke that you heard.

918
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:02,639
I told I don't like her. I don't like the

919
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:05,599
pictures of Holly Hunter all catlike crawled up. You know

920
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:09,039
it's all cozily crawled up at the captain's chair, reading

921
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:12,519
a book and with her glasses in three thoy twenty

922
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,719
a d instead of somebody who's striding to the chair,

923
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,039
sitting down, gripping the arms and firing fate. I don't

924
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,840
want to look. They have somebody there in the crowd

925
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,000
scene who, honest to God, has got half of her

926
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,320
face painted white and half of her face painted black.

927
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,199
Now we all know what that means. We all know

928
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,239
it's Frank Gorshan and his You know that, shall I say,

929
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,840
delicate racial analogy that they made and let that be

930
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,400
your last battlefield. I supposedly that rates is extinct, but

931
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,639
I guess somebody brought it back in blow Decks or

932
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,480
Prodigy or something like that. I don't care. They killed

933
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:49,639
it for me. They gave me and I send off

934
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,320
at the end of the Card three. They got the

935
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,519
gang back together, they got the ship back together. They

936
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,639
kicked ass, and they sat down and they played poker.

937
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:59,159
It worked and that was the end, and that was good.

938
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,199
And now it's on.

939
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: I knew that would set you off on epic Ram.

940
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,760
What listeners should know, I mean, I watched the form

941
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,920
in a trailer, and if that's the best they can do,

942
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,199
it's got to be awful. All listeners need to know

943
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,239
is that the lead king On character is named Jayden Cayden,

944
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,599
I know, I mean, what next the governor of California

945
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:20,320
named Gavin. It's almost that side job.

946
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,

947
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,800
And I like Strange New Worlds, even though I think

948
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,280
the third season just got lost in its off and

949
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,880
I'm looking for them to conclude it with a fourth.

950
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,400
It's been good, but no, I mean I used to

951
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just sit down and wait, how they going to start this?

952
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What's the theme gonna be, what's the reveal of the

953
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ship gonna be able?

954
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Speaker 2: Look?

955
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:39,119
Speaker 1: Look, look, at that look at the voyage you're coming

956
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out of those gaseous clouds with that Oh I'm here,

957
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,840
I'm there already. I know. The first season sucks, as

958
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,400
it always does, but you stay there and you seven

959
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,679
seasons on it concludes and you feel like you've actually

960
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,360
it's been a contribution to the Lord that you remember

961
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:59,119
you were there eight years old your grandfather's television color

962
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television in horror with North Dakota watching the very first

963
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,679
episode in color terrified because it was really scary stuff,

964
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,199
and you've been there ever since. And then you finally

965
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,800
hit a point where you say, no, it's not that

966
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,679
it's not for me, Oh, this is for the kids.

967
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:16,440
It's no, no, no, no, it's because it's bad. It's

968
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because it's run by people who just do not get it.

969
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,519
There was a if you look at all the sci

970
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fi of the fifties and sixties, there's still a military

971
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ethos there with their navymen. There's command structures, you know,

972
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:30,440
there's icer, there's you know, oh god, there's all that stuff,

973
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,440
and all of that has just washed away into this

974
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,320
sort of gallivanting about space and these nice little ships

975
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,519
with these enormous, pointless bridges, so that we can give

976
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somebody a lecture on what they ought to do and

977
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:43,679
feel good about ourselves for watching it. I say, it's

978
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:44,760
spinach into hell with it.

979
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Speaker 2: Well, my theory is, oh sorry, My theory is that

980
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:51,199
behind the scenes, the executive producer is a pseudonym for

981
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,679
Kathleen Kennedy, who's trying to kill two franchises.

982
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,559
Speaker 1: So that's been entirely possible. Well, all I have gone.

983
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Speaker 5: I've never been in a particular treki orthough. I did

984
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like the movies, but the one that I watched when

985
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I was a kid had Captain Picard.

986
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Speaker 4: Is that good?

987
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 5: Do you like that?

988
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,679
Speaker 1: No? It is good. It found its foot It found

989
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:14,880
its feeding footing after about a year or so. It

990
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,880
started out odd and tried to the tone wasn't right

991
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,079
thing that everybody inhabited their characters by the second and

992
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:21,679
third and then I got really good and has the

993
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:26,840
best cliffhanger in television history. Fire. It was good, but

994
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,960
it was very nineties because the Cold War was over

995
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:33,960
and now an international group of people were cruising around

996
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,920
in the Hilton solving disputes and luxury. Right, it was

997
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basically in the nineties and then deep Spaces nine comes along,

998
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and that's the post Soviet you know, the Empire's fallen

999
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there on the borderlands and the rest of it. And

1000
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then you know, I mean, you can find these analogies

1001
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that I'm not the first to say it, you can

1002
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find analogies to the time in every one of these.

1003
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But yes, Picard was good. It also gave us marvelous

1004
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:58,840
technobabble that we could you know, that we could repeat

1005
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to ourselves. And you know, it was like it was

1006
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like a vision. It was like a documentary of the future.

1007
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:07,039
It felt like this was a possible thing that we

1008
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were going to have at the time. And then they didn't. Okay,

1009
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,400
that's that's it. That's it. You did it to me,

1010
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,320
you made me do it. What I'm not going to

1011
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,320
make you do, however, is go to give us a

1012
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,960
five star review. Because I'm not going to ask you

1013
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,480
for that yet. I am going to ask you to

1014
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,199
go to Ricochet and check to see if there's any

1015
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,280
meetups in your area, because that's what Ricochet people do.

1016
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,000
It's not just a website where you get together and

1017
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,920
blather and plath. You collabor and throw bricks at each other. Now, no, no, no,

1018
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,960
early February couple of meetups, one group in Detroit, another

1019
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:37,840
the Florida Space Coast Canaveral. Probably I love that, and

1020
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,360
if you'd like to learn more or have your own,

1021
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,880
go to ricochet dot com and go to the meetupage

1022
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,320
at ricochet dot com slash events. Now, I'm going to

1023
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,119
ask you for that five star review, because if you

1024
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:53,039
do well, well, more people see the podcast, more people listen,

1025
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,360
more people go to Ricochet, and that ensures that we

1026
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,840
go on oh, not just past version five point zero,

1027
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but to six point oh and beyond and beyond, as

1028
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Buzz would say. So I have to ask you, Charlie.

1029
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,000
We're not at five point oh yet, but we are

1030
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at last it was four point nine point one point

1031
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:12,000
four point one point four something like that.

1032
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Speaker 5: Yes, it's something like that. We've been doing small, little updates,

1033
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,079
but you know, more exciting than that is. We have

1034
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some new podcasts well, which yes, with our friend Henry Olsen,

1035
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,159
Conservative Crossroads with Henry Olsen, in which he hosts a

1036
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debate each episode between conservatives of different factions, different views.

1037
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Speaker 1: And right down to the studs as well.

1038
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Speaker 5: This isn't superficial, Henry says, right, what about Ukraine and

1039
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:40,280
then he lets them argue it out. So that's a

1040
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,639
really good news show at Ricochet.

1041
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Speaker 1: Ah, I hope you've enjoyed the show, folks. We have

1042
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:48,320
enjoyed making it and bringing it to you. I'm James

1043
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,800
Lillack's Minneapolis, Stephen in California, and Charles in Florida. It's

1044
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,639
been a pleasure as well. We'll see everybody in the

1045
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:57,639
comments at Ricochet four point whatever. We'll see you there.

1046
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Bye bye, Ricochet.

1047
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Speaker 2: Join the conversation.