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Speaker 6: Meaning a live man like this man you're letting butterfly

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flapping his wing big down in the forest man and

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gonna cause the tree.

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Speaker 7: Fall letting five thousand miles away. Man, nobody seen nobody else.

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You don't need no man, you don't like you call

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another story and you got like that.

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Speaker 1: That's win.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 3: Don't black a dang on the panel.

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Speaker 7: Man, Now you don't.

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Speaker 5: Don't matter many.

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Speaker 3: Dan, Welcome back to the Jay Burden Show. How you

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doing that? I'm glad to have you back because I

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try and pay attention to British politics, but especially over

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the last month, things have been happening so quickly that

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I cannot keep up, and so I'm continually I'll see

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a headline just be baffled by it. Right, I have

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no context. It seems as if you know, a decade

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has happened in the past month. So obviously the biggest

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and newest story is the launch of Rupert Lowe's political party.

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And while I want to get into that, and we

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will on kind of the second half, I think it's

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important to start first with the absolute chaos within the

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ruling government, both just kind of baseline political chaos because

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they are evil and incompetent, and also the fallout of

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the recently released Epstein file. So if you could, for

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my predominantly American audience, could you provide some context on that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, sure, so I don't know if I go so

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far as to calling the ruling party. I mean, there's

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certainly an office, but whether they're actually making the decisions

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or not is a different question.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So this will sort of blew up with the with

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the release of the Epstein files that you guys did recently,

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And by the way, at some point I'd love to

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get some you know, counter counterfeedback from you on what

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the hell the Americans are doing with this, because, as

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far as I can tell, Trump released these files, but

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he doesn't want to talk about them, and pound BONDI

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seems to think that because the Dow is up, because

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they're printing so much money, that that means we don't

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need to talk about the fact that Western governments are

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run by an ethnic network of satanic peder files. Quite

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how that fits, I'm not entirely sure, but anyway, slightly

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Speaker 3: Well, and this is an aside. The thing that I

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genuinely cannot figure out is why Trump, possibly the most

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braggadocious man in politics, is not taking credit for ratting

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Epstein out. Which when I saw that, yes, I saw

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that from the kind of maga slap accounts that make

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things up all the time. So I assumed, like, okay,

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maybe it's not true. But Ryan Dawson went on Peak

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quinonas his show to discuss the Epstein files, and to

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put it mildly, neither one of those man men particularly

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likes Donald Trump if you him, you know, as a

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puppet of certain foreign governments. And so when they are

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confirming that, it's like, okay, well, these guys are hardly

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motivated to you know, view this guy in good faith.

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And so sorry, just a brief interjection, I realize I'm

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interrupting a guest on my own show.

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Speaker 7: No no, no, no, no, I want to know what the

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hell is going on. Why can't he just take credit

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Speaker 3: I have no idea that it makes no sense to me,

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because you would assume this man ran on releasing the

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Epstein files. He is in the Epstein files doing the

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right thing, blowing a whistle. And so, you know, look,

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but seems like that's a pretty easy situation to make

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yourself look good in. And this whole situation seems to

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be the most massive unforced error in the world were honestly,

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but part of me wonders if he ever actually intended

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to release them.

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Speaker 8: In this you know, he's acting like a guy who

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woke up to pocket aces and then is determined to

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lose the hand. I don't understand exactly and what's going

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on at all, but anyway, okay, so it seems like

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they might have had a bit more impact over on

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and there were two people that looked especially bad on

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the British side, one of which was Prince Andrew and

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the other which was Peter Mandleson. Now, for a long

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time the press did not want to talk about Peter

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Manderson because he's in the club. The press actually found

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it much easier to go after Prince Andrew, and it

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is really interesting to me that the British royal family

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is considered a safer target to go after than a

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member of the tribing government. And it, you know, if

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it would be that. So anyway, so Prince Andrew, you know,

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got downgraded, he got effectively kicked out of the royal family.

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how can he cope? And I think as of today

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he's actually been arrested as well, so he's going through

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the system and all that kind of stuff. But Peter

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and it did cause a bit of raw and a

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bit of a problem for Starmer. So for American viewers,

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who's Peter Mandelson? If you go back to the Blair

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project that utterly transformed Britain in nineteen ninety seven, obviously

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there was Blair himself, but there was a sort of

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the holy trinity.

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Speaker 7: Of new labor of Blairrism for three men.

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and it's a brilliant series in the thick of it

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which covers sort of the inside of British politics, there's

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a sort of sweary Malcolm to type character. That's who

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he's based on. So he was the Press secretary. He

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would go round, he would eff and blind at people.

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sort of smooth talking, charming, very urbane fixer. But essentially

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it was the three of them that drove the entire

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Blair project that completely transformed Britain. And just a very

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quick explanation of what blairsm is. It's basically what they

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did is they took every power that the executive and

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put it into quangos. And then they ensured that those

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quangos would be run by leftists. I mean, they're all

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now like fifteen thousand people bureaucracies, and of course a

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bureaucracy is gonna I mean just by default. I mean

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they arranged it better than that, but basically all of

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these state powers are now going to be run by

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the left forever, no matter which party gets in. So

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that's why the Conservative governments didn't change anything. So Peter Mandelson,

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of Freddie mercury and yes he is like that mustache

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thing going on and in this documentary they kind of

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had a scene of him in his flat and he's

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got damp coming up the walls and he's complaining about

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how broke he is and how hard his situation is. Anyway,

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they get into government and within four years he's buying

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a I think it was like an eight million pound

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flat that overlooks Hyde Park and it was reported in

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the press at the time, but I mean, back then,

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this was early two thousand, the press, well, the press

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was as uncurious as they ever are when it comes

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close to power. And of course this was before the

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year of all this kind of stuff. I mean, even

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his channel in twenty thirteen, so there was nothing sort

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of questioning how odd it was that a man who

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was just a few years ago completely broke is suddenly

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buying very premium, high end property in the center of London.

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part of the Blair project. When he originally started in government,

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he was actually given a completely new role, which was

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Minister without Portfolio, which basically meant he got high level

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security clearance. He could attend cabinet. He was a top

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decision maker, but he didn't have to waste his time

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sitting in an office actually doing anything all day other

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than whatever dark arts that you know he got up

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to you. And he's very much one of these sort

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of dark arts characters who gets whatever it is done.

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Speaker 8: And a problem with Mandy is that he can't really

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he takes it. So he actually got enrolled in a

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Speaker 7: We come onto.

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Speaker 8: He got fired from government and then he kind of

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potters around doing whatever he did, presumably hanging out with

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Jeffrey Epstein, where actually we know that's.

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Speaker 7: What he did now.

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Speaker 8: And then he comes back into government and he survives

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to come back into. So then he comes back into

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government and that goes on for a couple more years,

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he gets chucked out again. So then he goes off

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and does whatever he does with Epstein. And then at

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the end of the Blair premiership he handed over his

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chancellor Gordon Brown, and he brings Mandleson back and again

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a couple of years go by and he gets fired

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for another scandal, another sleeves type thing. So he's one

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of these people who, for whatever reason, he can't behave himself,

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I mean, there's plenty of egregious bits of Mandelsson in

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the Epstein files, but the most egregious bit by far.

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the Epstein files is they're only the emails. They're not

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the phone calls, so god knows what else can pass

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between them. So we just got the emails. But I

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mean that's damning enough. So in the two thousand and

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eight financial crisis, the European governments were sorting out an

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enormous I think it's like five hundred billion bailout for

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Greece or something like that. That is hugely market moving information,

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and Mandelsson we know, walked out of the cabinet meeting

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where that was agreed.

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Speaker 7: Well, in fact, it wasn't even a cabinet meeting.

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Speaker 8: It was just the real close knit group who were

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getting advanced warning that the you know, and we were

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still in the European Union at that time. It was

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just a very close knit group from the top European

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governments knew that this was about to happen.

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Speaker 7: He walked out of that.

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Speaker 8: A meeting and immediately emailed Jeffrey Epstein with market moving information. Now,

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it just goes without saying. You would never do something

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like that. Well, at least if you did, you'd make

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ass very heavily, because that is textbook insider trading. In fact,

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it's worse thing. It's not just insider trading. He betrayed

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the interests of this country during a moment of crisis.

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the death penalty from treason and that was the last

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and the Blair government removed it. Whether it was Blair

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himself who instigated that or whether it was Mandals, and

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it could have been either with them, But so I

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Speaker 6: So Gordon Brown, Hi, I'm Garald As a full time career,

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I was on my fees all day. I developed plantar

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I was back to being able to support my husband.

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Speaker 8: Don i e or popin store today. He was chancellor

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for Tony Blair and he really didn't like gold. He

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didn't think that gold had any sort of straw value

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type properties. He much preferred debt obligations from the Americans instead,

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because of course they their value so much better than

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a silly thing like gold. So he was selling off

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gold all that time, And we got a couple of

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examples of where again Epstein was given the heads up

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by Mandleson that a gold sale was going to be

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going through and then plus and but I mean, mind you,

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that stuff doesn't really get into the sort of mainstream press.

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a dirty, dirty pedo and Mandalson was best friends with them.

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And there's also this embarrassing photo of Mandlsson in his

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underpants in a hotel room with a woman whose face

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is blacked out, who looks suspiciously like somebody who was

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on suits and is now married to somebody in the

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royal family. So say no more.

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Speaker 7: And I just want.

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Speaker 3: To say I resent the implication that Mandelsson would ever

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cheat on his husband.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes he is.

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Speaker 8: Well, there was a phase when the press started calling

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him the you know, the dark Prince, and that didn't

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last very long before everybody started calling the dark Princess instead.

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Speaker 7: And then they then they had to drop that.

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Speaker 8: And Mandelson himself is of the you know, of of

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the ethnic network that that Epstein responded well to. And

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and and they hang out particularly well so anyway, so

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that that all went on. So so there he is.

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this becomes really problematic before the Epstein files came out,

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is that as I should mention, I should mention Morgan

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McSweeney as well. So Morgan McSweeney is was the guy

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who basically made Keir Starmer. Morgan mcsweeny he, I mean,

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he's one of those sort of great practitioners of dark arts,

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and obviously you need one of those in a modern

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Western government because otherwise somebody might draw the pentagram wrong

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and put the candles in the wrong place, and then

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that poor orphan kid has been taken out the dungeon

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for nothing. So you know, you need one of those.

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And he was a protegee of Mandalsson. Now he remained

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in the Labor Party and became increasingly influential, in fact,

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one of the probably the key backroom guy. And it

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was actually Morgan McSweeney, the protegee of Mandelson, who got

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Starmer installed as Labor leader because Kirs Starmer was a

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lawyer before this and he was head of the CPS,

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the Crown Prosecution Service, so effectively deciding who gets prosecuted

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for what And he's not a politician, he's got no

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political now so orce skill whatsoever. But he was selected

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by Morgan McSweeney to come and be the Labor leader

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and thus the Prime Minister. And one of the first

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things they did when they when Starmer got into office

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whenever it was like two years ago. Now, is Morgan

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McSweeney lobbied to get Mandalson back for a fourth time,

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possibly a fifth time. I lose track with Madelson, how

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a many scandals they are. So Sweeney gets Mandelson back

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and they appoint him as US ambassador. Now that is

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a little bit problematic because US ambassador you get a

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security clearance level which is basically pretty much on par

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with the with the Prime Minister, because of course the

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president can call you in and ask you, you know,

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whatever it is that the President wants to talk about,

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so you need to be briefed at a very high

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level on pretty much anything. So he would have had

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a security clearance higher than that most cabinet members. And

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I mean because of the way that Epstein file has

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been done, so those drips and drabs on a previous batch,

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it became apparent that Mandalson was sort of all over them,

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and they kind of resisted doing anything with him, and

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you know, he got the full backing and all that

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kind of stuff, and then more files dripped out and

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it's like.

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Speaker 7: No, he really, he really is in there, he really

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is close all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 8: We started getting things like I was it like birthday

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notes where Mandelson would write to Epstein and say, oh,

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you know, I can't wait to see you again on

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the island. You're my best friend, and all that kind

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of weird.

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Speaker 7: Kind of stuff.

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Speaker 8: So at that point, and that was maybe whatever it

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was six months ago, they needed to get rid of

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him as US ambassad because it was starting to become

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just a little bit too awkward. So anyway, so then

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he kind of does his slinking around in the background,

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and for those of us who have seen him go

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through this cycle, whatever it is four or five times before,

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we're just waiting for him to come back in some

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new role. Maybe he's going to be an archbishop next,

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or god knows why he always comes back as some

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sort of senior thing. And then the latest batch came

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through where it was where it showed that he had

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done the well treason basically of giving Epstein information about

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highly sensitive moment of crisis information, and a whole bunch more.

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There's just so much more in the latest batch. Now Starmer,

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because he's not a politician, and he has no political

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skill whatsoever, and he has no theory in mind, he

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can't understand anything from anybody else's perspective. The only thing

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that he understands is that he is morally superior and righteous,

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and everything that he believes in is good and correct,

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and everybody who disagrees with him is an evil racist

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and should be in jail, and quite often he does

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actually put them in jail, I mean, especially people who

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tweak things that he doesn't like. So when this was

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all announced, if Starmer had any political skill whatsoever, all

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he needed to do was on the day that this

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came out is holder press confidence and say I'm shocked

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and appalled by what has emerged. We clearly made a

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mistake appointing him you as ambassador. I'm going to launch

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a full investigation all that kind of stuff, blah blah

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blah blah blah whatever.

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Speaker 7: But anyway, really done by it. But he didn't have

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the nunce do that.

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Speaker 8: What he actually did is he turned up at the

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House of Commons and we have a weekly thing on Wednesday,

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which is Prime Minister's Question Times. And the leader of

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the opposition, the leader of the Tory Party, which at

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the moment is a first generation Nigerian immigrant called I

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can't actually pronounce her full name, but Ola Fassu Canobi.

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Speaker 7: Whatever. We just call it Kem anyway, because it's the

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only thing we can pronounce.

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Speaker 8: So Kemi the leader of the Conservative Party, she launches

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this sort of blistering attack.

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Speaker 7: She did quite a good job, actually she did.

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Speaker 8: Launches this blistering attack on the Prime Minister's judgment for

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appointing Peter Manilson as US ambassador. And because he's such

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a soulless, automatant lawyer, we have no theory of mind

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and no understanding of the political process whatsoever. All he

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could do is start talking about procedures that they will

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follow and talking about where we followed this procedure, and

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the procedure says, there's you know, proper soulless lawyer type speak.

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And it was so utterly tone deaf, it was so

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completely not understanding the mood.

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Speaker 7: That you know, people were genuinely annoyed that a a.

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Speaker 8: Close friend of a pedo had he had been sort

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of not even well, I suppose he was selling secrets

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to me. He was selling very very cheaply, I mean

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all mandals. Someone was getting out of this was I

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think his boyfriend or his husband got like forty k

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or something like that to do to train himself as

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an ostia path or what some weird stuff like that,

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and he got a few holidays out of it and

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stuff like that. But he'd essentially been giving away state

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secrets that even I mean even Labor MP's were turning

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against the government at that point. You know, you had

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you had backbenches going around and they got into this

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thing that sometimes happens in British politics when it looks

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like a prime minister is done, they all start positioning

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for who's can be the next one, and that was

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in full swing. A couple of the cabinet, in fact,

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one of the cabinet ministers they unfortunately made live a

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page on their personal website which was then running for leader.

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It was all stuff like this. People were briefing against him.

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The leader of Scottish Labor gave a press confidence and

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said clearly Starr's got to go. And it seemed to

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be this whole kind of pile on effect where you know,

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if if you watch British politics, you've seen this before,

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and the Prime Minister always is, you know, getting the

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podium out the following lunchtime to announce his resignation and

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handing over to someone. And actually on the on the

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Sunday night it was leaked because a lot a lot

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of this stuff, it just gets leaked, so it comes

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out and it does the rounds and all that. All

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the journalists knows what about to happen. It came out

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that he was going to be giving his resignation the

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following morning. Anyway, about half an hour went by and

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he he kind of looked at it like like Bilbo

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Baggins and said, well, why shouldn't I keep it? Why

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why shouldn't I just stay the Prime Minister. I mean

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they can't they can't actually force me out, I mean

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just because you know, my judgment has been shown to

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be utterly horrific.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but they hate me anyway, and he is the

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most hated prime minister since records began. So he just

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changed his mind and then he and then he and

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he and he went and attended a factory and he

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droned on about, you know, how morally good he is

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and you know, the mission of his government, and all

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the journalists were like, yeah, but you're gonna be resigning,

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aren't you, And he was just like, no, I'm here

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to do a job. And because he's because he's just

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so soulless, it doesn't really matter to him. So we

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were convinced that he was going to go a week ago. Uh,

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and that's when we sort of first said that we

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do this, but I mean scheduling, scheduling, and you know,

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and and and I was also I was kind of hoping, well,

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if we leave it till next weekend, it'd definitely be

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gone by then and then I can tell you all

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about that. But no, he's he's just plowing on, refusing

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to go anywhere. In fact, one of his one of

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his cabinet ministers, the ugand and David Lammy, was stopped

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by the press as he was walking into Downing Street

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and said, you know, will there be a change of.

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Speaker 7: Government, will you? Will you be resigning?

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Speaker 8: Will start and be resigning stuff like that, And he

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turned around and he said to them, look, We've waited

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fourteen years to get here. We're not going anywhere, and

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that is I mean, that is very revealing, that is

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very mask off. These these are fabians and they don't

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normally get anywhere near office that they're often close, but

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they don't often get in. And now that they're in,

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there's nothing really that forces them. I mean there's a

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few select scenarios where they can be forced out, but

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basically they've got another three years and they fully intend

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no matter how unpopular they are, no matter how many

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by elections they lose, no matter how low their poll

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ranking goes. And actually, quick pointing on their po ranking,

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the entire Labor front bench, the entire cabinet are going

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to lose their seats at the next election. We've seen

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polls that Labor are due to get four seats at

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the next general election. Now bear in mind they had

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three hundred odd seats this time. They're going to go

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to something like, well, maybe it's four, maybe it's twenty,

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maybe it's thirty, whatever, but it's going to be an

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absolutely historic wipeout. But they understand that they're never going

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to get this chance again, and three years remaining in

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power is good enough of them, so it looks like

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they're just bloody going through and we're just going to

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have to put up with watching them.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I'm honestly it was sort of fortuitous that

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we weren't delayed a week because this is a much

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more interesting story, you know, then, Prime Ministers. I mean, look,

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I've been paying attention to your politics for ten years

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plus or minus, and I've seen, you know, a handful

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of these occurrences. One I think it's incredibly interesting we

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zoom out that we are set for two historic party

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collapses in a decade, first the Conservatives and then the Liberals.

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I follow, it's actually a very interesting account. It's a

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transgender British socialist stats for lefties right. You know, I

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don't think we would agree on much, and they would

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probably be very upset if they knew I was referencing them.

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But they're tracking in pretty minute detail, just the absolute

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implosion of to be honest, both parties, and as far

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as I understand, Labor is losing to both the lib

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Dems and the Greens. Right there is still a left coalition,

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but split between those two groups. And this is a

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slight aside, but something I'm sort of interested in where

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does the sort of Muslim majority voting black goal between

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Lib Dems and the Greens, because it's seemingly already there

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was sort of this uncomfortable alliance between gay communists and

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people who want to push gay communists off of rooftops.

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How does that shake out? I realize maybe an aside,

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but I'm curious, where are those people going.

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Speaker 8: Our political system is basically built for two and a

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half political parties, and for the long time that was Labor.

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Speaker 7: The Tories and.

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Speaker 8: The Liberal Democrats would be the you know, the half option.

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So if you couldn't make your mind up, you went

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with Liberal Democrats, and they always kind of positioned themselves

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as in fact, for a good lot for decades, their

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policy was explicitly equidistance between the party. They're Trump positions

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themselves exactly in the middle. That became increasingly difficult over

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time because the Tories would move to the left of

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the Labor Party, which kind of threw threw off the

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whole thing. So all of those old assumptions are being

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sort of scrapped. Really, so I should I should give

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you a rundown of were Bridi's politics actually lies, And

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it doesn't work because we've got about five or six

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different parties are all in contention, and we have a

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first pass the post system, so you can imagine the

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chaos of how that works now. And because it's a

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parliamentary system, it's six hundred and fifty almost presidential type

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runs with five different parties competing between them, so it

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ends up very skewing or I mean it just all

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over the place. I mean, this is a completely unstable

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political situation. It is going to have to rationalize down

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to two and a half again because that's the only

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way that the electoral mass works.

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Speaker 7: So anyway, everything's thrown off.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, so labor supposed to be for the working class,

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they've increasingly become for.

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Speaker 3: No Muslims and obnoxious and middle class professionals.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, yes, I'll go with that, upp class professionals

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who are earning you know, ridiculous salaries on the public

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sector and the rate gangs, so that they labor consistently

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refused to do anything about the rape gangs. Because basically

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it's entire communities who are responsible for this. You know,

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we've seen this over and over again with the with

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the court transcript, you'll get the wives, the mothers and

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the sisters and even the daughters up in the gallery

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screaming slag at the white girl, the twelve year old

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white girl who was gang raped, and saying she deserved

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it and stuff like that. So so it's an entire community,

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and they all knew many examples of them. You know,

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some guy you know sending text messages to thirty of

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his friends and all of them turned up for child rape.

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So it is it is the entire Pakistani community. Well,

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I would say entire. I'm sure this one or two

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didn't get involved, but it's a big wide to problem,

545
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so they can't go after it without attacking their voting base.

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But yeah, I mean they're they're they're destined to wipe

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out the next election. The Tories traditionally supposed to be

548
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the right wing part, but I mean there of course

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the party of mass immigration. The biggest waves of immigration

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was under Bois Johnson. He brought in millions of them

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while were locked down over COVID. They currently got a

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first generation Nigerian as their leader.

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Speaker 7: They're just used.

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Speaker 8: I mean everybody just feels, what is the point of view?

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You betrayed as nobody trusts you.

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Speaker 7: So they're done.

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Speaker 8: The Liberal Democrats, which you mentioned, the old half party

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in the old system. They're they're kind of because they're

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because they're not tainted with this. They're doing sort of

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moderately well, but they're still kind of in that third

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place position. But what they really are is for people

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with big gardens, so they don't get the inner city vote,

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they get the countryside vote. And of course there's lots

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of countryside in Britain, people with big gardens with very

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liberal opinions. But I mean, they're all white, they're all British.

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They're just wooly headed tosses. Then you've got the Green

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Party that has emerged, and they are you know, it's

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They've got a I mean, it's it's it's it's a

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Zach Blanski's he's basically mont Army, except he's Jewish and

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his deputy is a sort of big bearded Muslim and

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they've got a kind of alliance of student radicals and

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the Islamic left are basically moving over to to the

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Green Party, and they're more likely to win the next

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election than the Labor Tories, but they're a new political force.

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Speaker 7: And then you've got Nigel Farrag who.

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Speaker 8: For a while was the sort of the great hope

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of the right that he was going to come in

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and he was going to you know, be sensible for once.

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And of course you mean you mean Americans will know

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Nigel for He's been on stage with Trump enough times.

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The problem is the closer he gets to power, the

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further to the left he pivots, and the more he

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covets the Muslim vote. So, for example, his his candidate

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for mayor of London is an Egyptian Muslim woman. His

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his deputy is is a Sri Lankan Muslim.

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Speaker 7: I think Zaia Yusiv.

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Speaker 8: Whenever you look at their messaging, their political messaging, it's

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all you know, aren't we nice to Muslims? And I

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mean he was. He was actually asked by Steve Eginton's

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a Telegraph journalist here. He was sat down in an

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in hisview about a year ago and he said, you know,

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are you going to deport anybody? He was like, no,

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it's impossible, And then he said yeah, but would you

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want to if you could? And he was like no,

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And he was like, well, do you do you recognize

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British British ethnicity And he's like no, And you know,

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and I mean I my bit on this was I because,

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of course do the podcast Lotus Heaters, which which lots

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of sort of journalists and people watch.

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Speaker 7: I was.

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Speaker 8: And then this was at the time when we had

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the whole question of what is a woman? And Nigel

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Farad has been bashing Labor and the Tories because they

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couldn't well actually the Labor Party, because they couldn't say

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what a woman was. So I said, somebody has to

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ask him what is a British person? And it didn't

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take long before journalists did that. And he said and

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he thought about it for a while, and he kind

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of laughed nervously and he said, oh, somebody who's been

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living here for five years, so and and and and

611
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what he's doing essentially is is he's completely taking for

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granted the votes of the right.

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Speaker 7: He thinks they've got nowhere else to go.

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Speaker 8: He's kind of ruling his party with an iron fist

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and chucking out people like Rupert Low the moment they

616
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start to look a bit more popular than him.

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Speaker 7: And you know, he and he.

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Speaker 8: Was just trying to he was trying to try and

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get that Muslim vote because he wants to try and

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build the biggest coalitions possible because he wants to be

621
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prime minister, so people are unhappy with him, but there

622
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was still the best that he had up until, as

623
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you mentioned below, forms a party.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, right you sort of have you know, the

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Greens is sort of the like the Gates of Toledo

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type situation, and Forage is sort of pivoting back to

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making the exact same mistake the Conservatives made doing exactly

628
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the same thing. And we mentioned earlier the kind of

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confusion about Trump sort of fumbling pocket ass, and I

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feel very much the same way about Farage, which was

631
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,159
he was handed a once in a generation political opportunity,

632
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a chance to remake the country, to catapult himself into power,

633
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and seemingly he has taken that opportunity and said, you know,

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the oldest political party in the world that just set

635
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itself on fire and exploded. It just lost, you know,

636
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one of the most stunning elections in history. Yes, exactly.

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And I don't like the guy. I'm not going to

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pretend to be you know, I don't have his ear.

639
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But as a as a you know, outside observer, you

640
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,039
just sort of look at it and you're like, well,

641
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,960
do you want to win, like do you want to succeed?

642
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And clearly from a certain perspective he does. But again, right, like,

643
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what would that even look like? It would simply be

644
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the kind of b side the film negative of Blayroism. Right,

645
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,599
it is a reformation essentially of that same system, scraping

646
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away some of the most egregious things. But look like

647
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,239
two thousand and two liberalism or two thousand and two

648
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,679
neoliberalism rather got us here. And so simply even if

649
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,360
you could right turn the clock back, not touching the demographics,

650
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of course, like where do you think this leads? Not

651
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,960
you Dan? Of course? I really my biggest complaint about

652
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,519
Rupert Lowe is that he has named his party something

653
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very confusing, and I continually am getting them mixed up

654
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or combining the two names. A minor objection, But what

655
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I've seen and his speech launching it was electric. YouTube

656
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has figured out that I am some form of thought criminal,

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and so normally, if any anything in the kind of

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broader right wing gets you know, pushed out, I'll see it.

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And I watched that speech when it first came out,

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and it had you know, ten thousand views cycled back

661
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through three hundred thousand cycled back through four hundred thousand.

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It seems like it's exploding. Thing is obviously it's crazy.

663
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It's gone very very far, and so I realized, you know,

664
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this is nationent, this is you know, less than a

665
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few days old. But what is the energy surrounding this

666
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Because it seems as if people have been more and

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more disgusted with Farage and his operation, and it seems

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as if Low is sort of reignited a sort of

669
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I guess you could say, kind of needi this passion.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because Low is authentic. So I mean, the original

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falling out between Nigel Frag and Low was entirely one

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way was he was Frag fell out Low, not the

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other way around. Low was always extremely complementary. So he

674
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basically he's I don't think he is proper aristocracy, but

675
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he's got a touch with the aristocracy. He's a landed gentleman. Now,

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00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:57,519
Britain was the best run country in the world when

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it was run by its landed aristocracy, and Lo he's

678
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got his sort of family businesses, family farm He also

679
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went into the city and did finance and he's very

680
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,760
successful in that. He became the chairman of Southampton Football Club,

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which is one of our Premier league football clubs. He's

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done various bits, you know, very much knows his mind,

683
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very capable, very good businessman, and he unexpectedly won a

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seat for Reform at the last election, and he wasn't touted,

685
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,480
he wasn't expected to win, but he just did a

686
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really good ground game and he put resources into it

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and he won great Yarmouth. So you know, some of

688
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us might have heard of him before, but not not well,

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we certainly didn't know. I think I've met him like

690
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once before in the city. And so he became a

691
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Reform MP and he just started telling us what he thought.

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Speaker 7: He would give.

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Speaker 8: Interviews and he would tweet, and everybody is perked up

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because he was just better than for our she was

695
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more authentic, and he actually believed it. He went further.

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He said things like the grooming gangs, not not just

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the not the just rapists themselves, but the communities they

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need to go. And so the right was responding to

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him really favorably. And what actually really kicked it off

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was Farrarch who imagined himself at one time he was

701
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sort of beloved by the American Right, and he kind

702
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,559
of imagined himself at this continue and he went over

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to the US and he spent some time there, and

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he had a meeting, a sit down meeting for an

705
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hour with Elon Musk, and he came out of that

706
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meeting and clearly expecting to get like ten million dollars

707
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,159
sent his way. He thought the meeting had gone very well,

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so he was coming back and being sort of rather

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braggadocio about that, and Elon actually tweeted out, Nigel Loh

710
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does not have what it takes. And Elon saw it

711
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before most of the rest of us did. I mean,

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even at load theaters were still supporting Farage back then,

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and not long after that, Elon tweeth is something like

714
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but Rupert Low might have what it takes now. Prage

715
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is one of those people where he cannot tolerate anyone

716
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:20,360
being more popular than him. I mean, he has done

717
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,559
political assassinations of like half the people he's ever worked

718
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,119
with on the right, and he I mean there's a

719
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whole list. I mean, I won't name them because your

720
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:32,039
malegan audience won't understand who they are, but a lot

721
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of billy people who will understand the names I mentioned.

722
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,079
I mentioned like fifteen twenty names of people that he's

723
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:39,960
knifed over the his thirty five year career because they

724
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,960
were starting to perhaps get a little bit too ahead

725
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of themselves, a little bit too popular, perhaps taking some

726
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,559
of the shine off him, and he's very much about

727
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,000
about himself. So them and you could tell from x

728
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:55,599
and social media that Rupert low was just becoming more popular.

729
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,559
And no, Nigel Frager is the kind of guy that

730
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have his own dog put down if it looked like

731
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his dog was getting more popular than he was with

732
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the members. So what they actually did was they made

733
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up this bizarre series of claims that Rupert Lowe had

734
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,719
been physically abusing Zia Usif, who is a man half

735
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,519
his age. You know, he's whatever, sixty eight and z

736
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:24,159
i was like thirty six or something like that. Yes,

737
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,440
something of that order, and.

738
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Speaker 3: That was supposed to be a strike against him or.

739
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,199
Speaker 8: Well, apparently he had been threatening Zaire that he was

740
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going to have him killed and was roughing him up

741
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,199
and stuff like that, and so they, I mean, it's nonsense.

742
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,880
I mean, obviously Rupert was not doing any of that,

743
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:44,239
of course, but they even reported him to the police.

744
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,599
The police raided his home in the middle of the night,

745
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,920
took all his guns away and he was under investigation. Now,

746
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Nigel just thought that he could carry out yet another

747
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,119
political assassination and then that person would just be excised from.

748
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Speaker 7: History and would appear into the nether world.

749
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,679
Speaker 8: But because low was so popular, it didn't wash with anyone.

750
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And that was the moment the lotus has turned on

751
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,480
Reform and it's like, come on, nonsense, Rupert Lowe is

752
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:20,360
absolute nonsense, and you know, Reform and Nigel Frodger lost

753
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,840
a huge amount of support. But by now, because they

754
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,280
would you know, labor were self imploding at this particular point.

755
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Speaker 7: I mean, this was just after the.

756
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Speaker 8: You know that that that Somalian chap had stabbed all

757
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,440
those girls at a dance class, actual ruder Vana and

758
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,840
and Starmer had fluffed that whole thing. So so reform

759
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,719
was really in the ascendance at this point, and they're

760
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,079
getting into normy world people who don't go online at

761
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,039
all and just just watch the media and so so,

762
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,199
so he was in the ascendancy, but the kind of

763
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,519
the online the people who actually follow it close enough

764
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:55,000
to know what's going on, they all kind of exited

765
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,639
Reform at that point, and we've been waiting for for

766
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,519
Rupert to form his own party, which he which she did.

767
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,679
He came out with that video. It was a breath

768
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:06,679
of fresh air. It said everything that we wanted it

769
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,000
to say. I mean, it helps that the staffers on

770
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,159
Rupert's team, I mean, they're all very close to the lotus.

771
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,480
They've they've all been on multiple times. You know, any

772
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:21,199
one of them could have ended up working for us,

773
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:22,960
so it didn't they didn't end up working out like that,

774
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:24,920
but you know, they're all they're all very close to us.

775
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,079
We know we all think the same. And I mean

776
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,119
and and I think load disease is just an example

777
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,239
of where the sort of the British online right is.

778
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,400
I mean, we've fairly center ground for the online right,

779
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,199
which is which is still well to the right of

780
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,760
you know that everybody else h and Rupert low talked about,

781
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,199
you know, what is going to be necessary to fix

782
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,920
this country is going to be incredibly painful, and it's like, yeah,

783
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,159
that's authentic.

784
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 7: I believe that.

785
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:56,199
Speaker 8: I'm fed up of politician's telling me that everything's going

786
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:57,800
to be easy and they can just spend more money,

787
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:00,639
because I know they're lying to me, or they there,

788
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,840
or they're filtering it out through debt, or you know,

789
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,519
they just don't understand the problems, you know. He said,

790
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:10,119
millions must go. Music to our ears he said. He said,

791
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:12,880
the people that were complicit in the grooming gangs need

792
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,079
to go, People who hate this country need to go.

793
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,920
Millions must go, he said, and a whole bunch of

794
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,440
other things he said. But it resonated so clearly, and

795
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,960
I have never seen excitement on the British right as

796
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,599
I did that weekend. Everybody was excited. Everybody's falling in line.

797
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:36,119
There's still one or two die hard reform supporters who

798
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:42,679
basically suffering from sunk cost fallacy and reform. Their response

799
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,840
is the most interesting of all because they just immediately

800
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,280
started calling everybody involved with the store and rupert, and

801
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,960
they started calling them neo Nazis and fascists.

802
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 7: And racists.

803
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,079
Speaker 8: So that was the outcome of thirty five years of

804
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,559
Nigel's political career. The British people now get to be

805
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:03,559
called fascist by somebody wearing a turquoise rosette instead of

806
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,400
instead of a red one. I mean, brilliant, brilliant Leah Cunningham,

807
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:11,320
He's who I've already mentioned the candidate for the mayor

808
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,400
of London, the Egyptian born woman, you know she she was.

809
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,440
She was on the on the TV the other day

810
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,360
saying that he's a neo Nazi party because they because

811
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,679
they because they recognize English identity. And so you've now

812
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,800
got this position where reformers just slinging out racist and

813
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,840
fascist all the time, refusing to acknowledge that there is

814
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:41,719
such a thing as the British people refusing to deport

815
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,119
the grooming gang communities.

816
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 7: But they're they're intermal. I mean, it hasn't cut through

817
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,880
to the normies. I'll give it that.

818
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,639
Speaker 8: But the but the sharp end of the of the

819
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,320
British right, the online bit, the people where the where

820
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,960
all of the arguments come from. I mean amount of

821
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:00,480
times I've seen arguments that I've I've formed, emulated, I

822
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,280
put thought into and formulated and put out on the

823
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,400
lotus sees is getting picked up by Reform staffers and

824
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,639
then filtering into Farge speeches or a whole bunch of

825
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:11,519
other outlets, because there's no there's no dyningism anywhere else

826
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:14,440
apart from the online rights. It is the thought space

827
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,639
for the right, all switched over to perform and it's

828
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,320
early days yet, but you know, we got three years

829
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,280
and we actually have something that we want to vote for,

830
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,159
something that might actually make change.

831
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Speaker 7: So bloody brilliant.

832
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: Certainly, the that turn right from from playing you know,

833
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,480
the the right word bounds of acceptable politics too, you know,

834
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:47,000
instantly canceling to your rate. It's something we're all too

835
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:52,400
familiar with in America. You know, I've written a number

836
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,480
of articles on this because it's something I'm interested in

837
00:46:55,679 --> 00:47:02,800
and passionate about. But this is why conservatives are losers,

838
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,480
why they always always get their teeth kicked in, because ultimately,

839
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,239
and Forage is perhaps a perfect example of this, they

840
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,960
share their enemies, end goals, they just disagree about how

841
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,400
to get there. Ultimately, they're owned completely and totally. I

842
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,199
wrote a somewhat insulting article called the House Conservative right,

843
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,280
kind of flipping that famous line from Malcolm X about

844
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,840
the house slave versus the field slave. Not exactly his words,

845
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,880
you could read between the lines, but it's so on

846
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,840
one hand, completely and totally disgusting when you, as Nigel

847
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,679
Farraje and his political party are employing this sort of

848
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,480
apocalyptic language. Right, this might be the last election, the

849
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,159
most important election of your lifetime and then well, what

850
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,280
are you gonna do when you get there? Oh well

851
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,800
we wouldn't send anyone back. That would be rude, that

852
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,840
would be mean. It's not possible, just as British as

853
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,599
you are. It's like, okay, well, then why does it matter?

854
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,079
Why is this apocalyptic? Is it just the finances? I'm

855
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,079
sure I'm not going to pretend that British finances or

856
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:17,679
American for that matter, seem to be in particularly good order,

857
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,360
But why not? Seemingly you have no real position here,

858
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:28,280
you have no substantive objection. And then when someone offers

859
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,800
a meaningful alternative, when they disagree with those core set

860
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,000
of premises, certainly they get attacked from the left, but

861
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:43,639
they get attacked with sort of increased, magnified aggression from

862
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:50,079
the nominal center, right from the house slaves, because again right,

863
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,960
and Farrage is sort of a perfect example of this.

864
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,280
His position only works if there's no one to his right.

865
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:03,199
He doesn't get to be mister Brexit if Rupert Lowe's around,

866
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,440
So he's going to fight, and he has and I'm

867
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:08,400
using him as a stand in. Well, I mean, to

868
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,760
be honest, I said I was using him as a

869
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,119
stand in. But let's be honest, everyone in that organization

870
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,360
is just his political flunky, and he's made clear of that,

871
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,119
you know, by urging people. But he's going to act

872
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:25,880
to you know, ensure his relative position of privilege, right

873
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,400
as the progressives would say. And I've been very heartened

874
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,480
by the fact that this hasn't worked. He is far

875
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:37,199
from you know, ruined Low's political career, right, he sort

876
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:40,239
of shot him into the ascendency. And honestly, I've been

877
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,480
very heartened by the quality of the people.

878
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 7: In that institution.

879
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: I don't know Low from Adam, but as you've said,

880
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,920
I've interacted with some of the staffers, both publicly and privately.

881
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 9: Oh Amy, my little one, I ask myself a million

882
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,519
questions every day. When will you give me a smile?

883
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:03,840
How much sleep do you need? How can I help

884
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you and your big brother to get along?

885
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886
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887
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890
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Speaker 3: HSE and they're exactly the sort of young guys you

891
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,360
would want in such a position. So I realize you

892
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,679
have sort of a personal anecdote to this. But you know,

893
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,440
if we say that, you know Rupert Lowe's outfit has

894
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,239
done a good job of recruiting, of bringing people in.

895
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:46,840
How has damn it? I can never get these two

896
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,519
parties straight. How has Nigel Paraja's story or party rather

897
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:55,239
gone about selecting candidates who will and won't they accept?

898
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 7: Well that, I mean, that is an interesting question.

899
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 8: So both myself and another the loads of Theaters history

900
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,760
bro Bodade, we were both Reform candidates before the last election,

901
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:12,440
and we were both de selected and kicked out the

902
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,760
party with a very curt copy and paste email. In

903
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,840
my case, it was because they had found a tweet

904
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,679
of mine from just after the Manchester Arena bombing, where

905
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:29,480
you know, a Muslim immigrant he walked into a child's concert,

906
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,719
he and he blew up fifty people with a nail

907
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,360
pond backpack. They found a tweet the day after that

908
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,599
where I was saying, well it pign criminals have got

909
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:41,760
to be deported and mosques that are radalyzing people have

910
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,320
got to be closed. Now, I will admit I am

911
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,559
nowhere near that moderate today.

912
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 7: This is I was.

913
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:51,159
Speaker 3: About to say that seems to be a relatively liberals.

914
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that, I mean, I mean, I mean

915
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,280
I I you know, was you know, working in a

916
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,920
sort of job where you couldn't really be that spicy

917
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:04,360
back then. But yeah, I mean wildly moderate compared to

918
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,840
where I am today. But they found that and they

919
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,639
thought that that was so egregious that they kicked me

920
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:12,679
out with a copy and paste email. Funnily enough, what

921
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,519
I had said in that week actually came to be

922
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,239
on page three of the Reform manifesto by the time

923
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,199
of the election. But you cannot be one inch to

924
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,920
the right of Nigel Farrage one day early and he

925
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,320
will purge you. Bo likewise, had made some comments on

926
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,239
the Lotus seaters and they decided they didn't like and

927
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,559
they chucked him out as well. And actually what we

928
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:37,440
ultimately found out was that there was an organization in

929
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,239
the UK called Hope Not Hate, and they are a

930
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:45,800
government funded ultra Marxist organization who spend their time doxing

931
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,760
people on the right. So if you've got an anonymous

932
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,559
account in the UK, and you're effective. They will send

933
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,760
people to where they think you might live and start

934
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,639
knocking on doors. You know, do you know this person

935
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:05,119
until they managed to track you down and conducts you

936
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,000
with an attempt of hoping to get you fired or

937
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:11,199
ostracized or whatever it is. They're a disgusting left wing

938
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:18,119
Marxist organization and reform bizarrely, and this is this is

939
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:22,719
absolutely true. Use hope not hate to vet their candidates.

940
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,440
That that's how they end up selecting them. And as

941
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,239
for I mean, the previous mayor of cad Mayor of

942
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,079
London candidate I think was a former soldier, a special

943
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:40,239
special Forces former soldier, but he expressed opinions that could

944
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,159
be considered based.

945
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 7: And so he had to go and he was replaced.

946
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:48,639
Speaker 8: With a you know, first generation Egyptian immigrant to put

947
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,679
him in. So I mean, as if you're going to

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be a reform candidate, you need to be the blandest

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of the bland. If you're thinking about it, you need

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to delete all of your social media. You need to

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turn up and express the safest, most boomerish. I suppose

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right of CeNSE if you can even apply right to this,

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but safe liberal orthodoxy views because I mean Fragi's he's,

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as you said, his mind runs on the boom of

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truth regime. He can't he can't see anything outside of that. Yeah,

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and and and so I mean, I mean, I I

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h I wish you could see some of the candidates

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that they're they're putting out now. I mean, the other

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the other day, I saw one which was a black

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transgender woman with a with a blonde wig. I saw

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another one which is a form of a legal immigrant,

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one of the boat people. But he he had got

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his status regularized, and so he's going to be running

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as a candidate. Now, I mean, it's just insane. But

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what's even the point exactly.

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Speaker 3: Like, what meaningfully would be the difference between and obviously, sure,

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you know, we might get the flag out, you know,

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we might you know, be nicer to you know Churchill

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or you know, some such historical figure, but functionally it

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is the same governing ideology. Again, as Michael Malice said,

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driving the speed limit right on that point of Nick Lowles,

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this this is slightly unusual for me. But I'm asking

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my audience for help because I am trying to track

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down a PDF version of an article Nick Lowles wrote

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called grooming an issue we cannot ignore, which has been

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almost wipe from the internet. It's very hard to find.

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But Lowells, who is a My opinions on him are

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not conducive.

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Speaker 7: To He's the guy who runs hope not hate that

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I mentioned.

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Speaker 3: Yes, uh, I have no opinions on him at all.

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That is what I will say if if I discuss

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him too much, I'll say something.

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Speaker 8: That will you might want to come to the UK

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one day, don't want to get arrested at the airport.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly with a Sam Hyde esque screed about Nichols.

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But in this article, which is I think from twenty twelve,

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he makes a very interesting point where he basically says

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the worst part about the grooming gangs is that they

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make the BMP look good. They make the far right

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sound like they have a point because they're right about

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this issue. So we need to we need to solve it,

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not because of the human cost, not because of the

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you know, the just rampant amount of abuse, but because

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it might make the far right, it might empower the

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far right. It's the terminology he uses. So if anyone

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has that in full, I'd really appreciate it because seemingly

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even Nichols realized that wasn't the best point and it's

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been just nuked from orbit. The best I've got is like,

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actually another socialist woman jump in with.

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Speaker 8: Another mentioned before, Nigel Farage sort of announced his shadow

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cabinet because he's because he's going to It looks like

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at the moment on current polling that he's going to

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win the next election, although as soon as Restore came

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out they started slipping the pole of the course, we'll

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see he's just too early to assess that now, but

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we'll see how that goes. But he's been getting defections

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from from the Tory Party. He's had whatever, he's like

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four defections at this point, and so he's got enough

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people now that he can form a small version of

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the shadow cabinet, and so he was appointing those the

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other day, and questions, of course started from the press

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about what do you make of Rupert Lowe's store party. Now,

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remember I previously said that they had made up all

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this stuff about how a sixty eight year old man

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was bullying, physically bullying and threatening to kill a man

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half his age for no apparent reason. That was previously

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the story and the police investigation, and they came to

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the conclusion this was nonsense and they dropped it all.

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He stood up just a few days ago and said,

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the reason we had to get rid of Rupert Low

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was because he started saying that he was going to

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get rid of the communities involved in the grooming gangs,

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and that is unconscionable. And he then go on to say,

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you know, the tactics that we used to get rid

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of him, I admit were a bit I can't hear

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what he said, but a bit, a bit rough something

1028
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like that. So essentially he admitted to perverting the course

1029
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of justice, wasting police time in making up criminal allegations

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against somebody just to get them out of the party,

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all for the purpose of protecting the communities that were

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complicit in the grooming gangs. An extraordinary admission. But yeah,

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I mean, essentially, what you're getting with reform is exactly

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the same acceptable governing ideology and a different rapper.

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Speaker 7: One that people might go for.

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Speaker 8: And I mean that immediately answers the question as to

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why they're doing it. They're selling you the same thing

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that you're allowed to have if you're going to be

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,840
in British government only in a rapper that people might

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00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,960
actually vote for, because there's no way people are voting

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for Tory or Labor anymore.

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Speaker 3: Well, then we're fast approaching time. Where can people find you?

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Speaker 7: I am on the Lotus Eaters a few times a week.

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Speaker 8: I've got my Broconomics series there where I go into

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00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,719
deep dives on various broken systems and economics and stuff

1046
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:35,480
like that. I do the podcast a couple of times

1047
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I do. Actually, the best thing if you found this

1048
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:40,639
chat interesting, is once a week I do a sit

1049
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,519
down with Carl on the Lotus Eaters channel. It's just

1050
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:45,119
the two of us and we just go through what's

1051
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:47,920
happened in politics over that that past week. So if

1052
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,079
you if you enjoyed this, you'd probably enjoy that most

1053
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of all. And I'm on Twitter under the handle Dan

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and it's at King Bingo.

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Speaker 3: You and I did an episode on Brokenomics. Highly recommend it.

1056
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,000
You guys should check it out. We're instead of discussing

1057
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:06,440
what we were actually supposed to, you just let me

1058
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:10,599
spurg out about FDR for an hour, which I appreciated. Yes,

1059
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there's sort of this like in my version of Dante's Inferno.

1060
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,960
You know instead of you know, judas in Satan's mouth,

1061
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:24,760
it's FDR and his wheelchair. So I appreciate you letting

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me talk about my special interest. But as far as

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my stuff, the Jay Burdon Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere

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you listen to podcasts, this is what I do. I'm

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a full time podcaster. Now, if you want to support me,

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was really informative. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: My pleasure, sir.

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