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Speaker 3: Dan, Welcome back to the Jay Burden Show. How you
doing that? I'm glad to have you back because I
try and pay attention to British politics, but especially over
the last month, things have been happening so quickly that
I cannot keep up, and so I'm continually I'll see
a headline just be baffled by it. Right, I have
no context. It seems as if you know, a decade
has happened in the past month. So obviously the biggest
and newest story is the launch of Rupert Lowe's political party.
And while I want to get into that, and we
will on kind of the second half, I think it's
important to start first with the absolute chaos within the
ruling government, both just kind of baseline political chaos because
they are evil and incompetent, and also the fallout of
the recently released Epstein file. So if you could, for
my predominantly American audience, could you provide some context on that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure, so I don't know if I go so
far as to calling the ruling party. I mean, there's
certainly an office, but whether they're actually making the decisions
or not is a different question.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So this will sort of blew up with the with
the release of the Epstein files that you guys did recently,
And by the way, at some point I'd love to
get some you know, counter counterfeedback from you on what
the hell the Americans are doing with this, because, as
far as I can tell, Trump released these files, but
he doesn't want to talk about them, and pound BONDI
seems to think that because the Dow is up, because
they're printing so much money, that that means we don't
need to talk about the fact that Western governments are
run by an ethnic network of satanic peder files. Quite
how that fits, I'm not entirely sure, but anyway, slightly
off topic.
Speaker 3: Well, and this is an aside. The thing that I
genuinely cannot figure out is why Trump, possibly the most
braggadocious man in politics, is not taking credit for ratting
Epstein out. Which when I saw that, yes, I saw
that from the kind of maga slap accounts that make
things up all the time. So I assumed, like, okay,
maybe it's not true. But Ryan Dawson went on Peak
quinonas his show to discuss the Epstein files, and to
put it mildly, neither one of those man men particularly
likes Donald Trump if you him, you know, as a
puppet of certain foreign governments. And so when they are
confirming that, it's like, okay, well, these guys are hardly
motivated to you know, view this guy in good faith.
And so sorry, just a brief interjection, I realize I'm
interrupting a guest on my own show.
Speaker 7: No no, no, no, no, I want to know what the
hell is going on. Why can't he just take credit
for it?
Speaker 3: I have no idea that it makes no sense to me,
because you would assume this man ran on releasing the
Epstein files. He is in the Epstein files doing the
right thing, blowing a whistle. And so, you know, look,
I'm not going to pretend I'm some sort of political genius,
but seems like that's a pretty easy situation to make
yourself look good in. And this whole situation seems to
be the most massive unforced error in the world were honestly,
but part of me wonders if he ever actually intended
to release them.
Speaker 8: In this you know, he's acting like a guy who
woke up to pocket aces and then is determined to
lose the hand. I don't understand exactly and what's going
on at all, but anyway, okay, so it seems like
they might have had a bit more impact over on
this side of the pond because those files came out
and there were two people that looked especially bad on
the British side, one of which was Prince Andrew and
the other which was Peter Mandleson. Now, for a long
time the press did not want to talk about Peter
Manderson because he's in the club. The press actually found
it much easier to go after Prince Andrew, and it
is really interesting to me that the British royal family
is considered a safer target to go after than a
member of the tribing government. And it, you know, if
you want any indication that we're not in twelfth century anymore,
it would be that. So anyway, so Prince Andrew, you know,
got downgraded, he got effectively kicked out of the royal family.
He got reduced from twenty three servants down four poor man,
how can he cope? And I think as of today
he's actually been arrested as well, so he's going through
the system and all that kind of stuff. But Peter
Mandelson is the one that's actually the more interesting story,
and it did cause a bit of raw and a
bit of a problem for Starmer. So for American viewers,
who's Peter Mandelson? If you go back to the Blair
project that utterly transformed Britain in nineteen ninety seven, obviously
there was Blair himself, but there was a sort of
the holy trinity.
Speaker 7: Of new labor of Blairrism for three men.
Speaker 8: They were Tony Blair himself, it was his spin doctor
Alistair Campbell and if any of you have ever watched that,
and it's a brilliant series in the thick of it
which covers sort of the inside of British politics, there's
a sort of sweary Malcolm to type character. That's who
he's based on. So he was the Press secretary. He
would go round, he would eff and blind at people.
He's got no finesse to in whatsoever. He was the
kind of he was the kind of aggressive side of it,
and the third part was Peter Mandelson, and he's a
sort of smooth talking, charming, very urbane fixer. But essentially
it was the three of them that drove the entire
Blair project that completely transformed Britain. And just a very
quick explanation of what blairsm is. It's basically what they
did is they took every power that the executive and
Parliament had and they stripped it out of Parliament and
put it into quangos. And then they ensured that those
quangos would be run by leftists. I mean, they're all
now like fifteen thousand people bureaucracies, and of course a
bureaucracy is gonna I mean just by default. I mean
they arranged it better than that, but basically all of
these state powers are now going to be run by
the left forever, no matter which party gets in. So
that's why the Conservative governments didn't change anything. So Peter Mandelson,
I remember before Peter Manks, I'm old Peter Mandilson, before
he got into office. I remember a documentary that was
made about him, and he used to have this sort
of Freddie mercury and yes he is like that mustache
thing going on and in this documentary they kind of
had a scene of him in his flat and he's
got damp coming up the walls and he's complaining about
how broke he is and how hard his situation is. Anyway,
they get into government and within four years he's buying
a I think it was like an eight million pound
flat that overlooks Hyde Park and it was reported in
the press at the time, but I mean, back then,
this was early two thousand, the press, well, the press
was as uncurious as they ever are when it comes
close to power. And of course this was before the
year of all this kind of stuff. I mean, even
Carl Benjamin Sargon of a Cat even he only started
his channel in twenty thirteen, so there was nothing sort
of questioning how odd it was that a man who
was just a few years ago completely broke is suddenly
buying very premium, high end property in the center of London.
And Peter Mandelson, because he was, you know, the key
part of the Blair project. When he originally started in government,
he was actually given a completely new role, which was
Minister without Portfolio, which basically meant he got high level
security clearance. He could attend cabinet. He was a top
decision maker, but he didn't have to waste his time
sitting in an office actually doing anything all day other
than whatever dark arts that you know he got up
to you. And he's very much one of these sort
of dark arts characters who gets whatever it is done.
Speaker 7: That needs done.
Speaker 8: And a problem with Mandy is that he can't really
behave himself. Whenever there's the opportunity for a bit of corruption,
he takes it. So he actually got enrolled in a
scale I can't remember what it was now because there's
been quite a few of them as.
Speaker 7: We come onto.
Speaker 8: He got fired from government and then he kind of
potters around doing whatever he did, presumably hanging out with
Jeffrey Epstein, where actually we know that's.
Speaker 7: What he did now.
Speaker 8: And then he comes back into government and he survives
for a while, and I think when he came back
he got the brief of business, but that wasn't enough
for him, so they had to merge a couple of
apartments together to make a big enough job for him
to come back into. So then he comes back into
government and that goes on for a couple more years,
and then he gets in board in another scandal and
he gets chucked out again. So then he goes off
and does whatever he does with Epstein. And then at
the end of the Blair premiership he handed over his
chancellor Gordon Brown, and he brings Mandleson back and again
a couple of years go by and he gets fired
for another scandal, another sleeves type thing. So he's one
of these people who, for whatever reason, he can't behave himself,
but for whatever they can't do without him either, they
keep bringing him back in. Now the most egregious bit,
I mean, there's plenty of egregious bits of Mandelsson in
the Epstein files, but the most egregious bit by far.
And actually I will just say that the issue with
the Epstein files is they're only the emails. They're not
the phone calls, so god knows what else can pass
between them. So we just got the emails. But I
mean that's damning enough. So in the two thousand and
eight financial crisis, the European governments were sorting out an
enormous I think it's like five hundred billion bailout for
Greece or something like that. That is hugely market moving information,
and Mandelsson we know, walked out of the cabinet meeting
where that was agreed.
Speaker 7: Well, in fact, it wasn't even a cabinet meeting.
Speaker 8: It was just the real close knit group who were
getting advanced warning that the you know, and we were
still in the European Union at that time. It was
just a very close knit group from the top European
governments knew that this was about to happen.
Speaker 7: He walked out of that.
Speaker 8: A meeting and immediately emailed Jeffrey Epstein with market moving information. Now,
I spent most of my career in finance. I mean,
it just goes without saying. You would never do something
like that. Well, at least if you did, you'd make
sure you're bloody well compensated and that you cover your
ass very heavily, because that is textbook insider trading. In fact,
it's worse thing. It's not just insider trading. He betrayed
the interests of this country during a moment of crisis.
That's actually treason. Actually, another thing I'll mentioned a little
sidebar is one of the first things that the Blair
government did when it came to power was it removed
the death penalty from treason and that was the last
remaining crime on the British books that carried the death penalty,
and the Blair government removed it. Whether it was Blair
himself who instigated that or whether it was Mandals, and
it could have been either with them, But so I
suppose he was covering his aster and extent, and there's
other things in there as well.
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Speaker 8: Don i e or popin store today. He was chancellor
for Tony Blair and he really didn't like gold. He
didn't think that gold had any sort of straw value
type properties. He much preferred debt obligations from the Americans instead,
because of course they their value so much better than
a silly thing like gold. So he was selling off
gold all that time, And we got a couple of
examples of where again Epstein was given the heads up
by Mandleson that a gold sale was going to be
going through and then plus and but I mean, mind you,
that stuff doesn't really get into the sort of mainstream press.
The main thing they focus on is that Epstein was
a dirty, dirty pedo and Mandalson was best friends with them.
And there's also this embarrassing photo of Mandlsson in his
underpants in a hotel room with a woman whose face
is blacked out, who looks suspiciously like somebody who was
on suits and is now married to somebody in the
royal family. So say no more.
Speaker 7: And I just want.
Speaker 3: To say I resent the implication that Mandelsson would ever
cheat on his husband.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes he is.
Speaker 8: Well, there was a phase when the press started calling
him the you know, the dark Prince, and that didn't
last very long before everybody started calling the dark Princess instead.
Speaker 7: And then they then they had to drop that.
Speaker 8: And Mandelson himself is of the you know, of of
the ethnic network that that Epstein responded well to. And
and and they hang out particularly well so anyway, so
that that all went on. So so there he is.
So he's been fired about three times in disgrace. Where
this becomes really problematic before the Epstein files came out,
is that as I should mention, I should mention Morgan
McSweeney as well. So Morgan McSweeney is was the guy
who basically made Keir Starmer. Morgan mcsweeny he, I mean,
he's one of those sort of great practitioners of dark arts,
and obviously you need one of those in a modern
Western government because otherwise somebody might draw the pentagram wrong
and put the candles in the wrong place, and then
that poor orphan kid has been taken out the dungeon
for nothing. So you know, you need one of those.
And he was a protegee of Mandalsson. Now he remained
in the Labor Party and became increasingly influential, in fact,
one of the probably the key backroom guy. And it
was actually Morgan McSweeney, the protegee of Mandelson, who got
Starmer installed as Labor leader because Kirs Starmer was a
lawyer before this and he was head of the CPS,
the Crown Prosecution Service, so effectively deciding who gets prosecuted
for what And he's not a politician, he's got no
political now so orce skill whatsoever. But he was selected
by Morgan McSweeney to come and be the Labor leader
and thus the Prime Minister. And one of the first
things they did when they when Starmer got into office
whenever it was like two years ago. Now, is Morgan
McSweeney lobbied to get Mandalson back for a fourth time,
possibly a fifth time. I lose track with Madelson, how
a many scandals they are. So Sweeney gets Mandelson back
and they appoint him as US ambassador. Now that is
a little bit problematic because US ambassador you get a
security clearance level which is basically pretty much on par
with the with the Prime Minister, because of course the
president can call you in and ask you, you know,
whatever it is that the President wants to talk about,
so you need to be briefed at a very high
level on pretty much anything. So he would have had
a security clearance higher than that most cabinet members. And
I mean because of the way that Epstein file has
been done, so those drips and drabs on a previous batch,
it became apparent that Mandalson was sort of all over them,
and they kind of resisted doing anything with him, and
you know, he got the full backing and all that
kind of stuff, and then more files dripped out and
it's like.
Speaker 7: No, he really, he really is in there, he really
is close all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 8: We started getting things like I was it like birthday
notes where Mandelson would write to Epstein and say, oh,
you know, I can't wait to see you again on
the island. You're my best friend, and all that kind
of weird.
Speaker 7: Kind of stuff.
Speaker 8: So at that point, and that was maybe whatever it
was six months ago, they needed to get rid of
him as US ambassad because it was starting to become
just a little bit too awkward. So anyway, so then
he kind of does his slinking around in the background,
and for those of us who have seen him go
through this cycle, whatever it is four or five times before,
we're just waiting for him to come back in some
new role. Maybe he's going to be an archbishop next,
or god knows why he always comes back as some
sort of senior thing. And then the latest batch came
through where it was where it showed that he had
done the well treason basically of giving Epstein information about
highly sensitive moment of crisis information, and a whole bunch more.
There's just so much more in the latest batch. Now Starmer,
because he's not a politician, and he has no political
skill whatsoever, and he has no theory in mind, he
can't understand anything from anybody else's perspective. The only thing
that he understands is that he is morally superior and righteous,
and everything that he believes in is good and correct,
and everybody who disagrees with him is an evil racist
and should be in jail, and quite often he does
actually put them in jail, I mean, especially people who
tweak things that he doesn't like. So when this was
all announced, if Starmer had any political skill whatsoever, all
he needed to do was on the day that this
came out is holder press confidence and say I'm shocked
and appalled by what has emerged. We clearly made a
mistake appointing him you as ambassador. I'm going to launch
a full investigation all that kind of stuff, blah blah
blah blah blah whatever.
Speaker 7: But anyway, really done by it. But he didn't have
the nunce do that.
Speaker 8: What he actually did is he turned up at the
House of Commons and we have a weekly thing on Wednesday,
which is Prime Minister's Question Times. And the leader of
the opposition, the leader of the Tory Party, which at
the moment is a first generation Nigerian immigrant called I
can't actually pronounce her full name, but Ola Fassu Canobi.
Speaker 7: Whatever. We just call it Kem anyway, because it's the
only thing we can pronounce.
Speaker 8: So Kemi the leader of the Conservative Party, she launches
this sort of blistering attack.
Speaker 7: She did quite a good job, actually she did.
Speaker 8: Launches this blistering attack on the Prime Minister's judgment for
appointing Peter Manilson as US ambassador. And because he's such
a soulless, automatant lawyer, we have no theory of mind
and no understanding of the political process whatsoever. All he
could do is start talking about procedures that they will
follow and talking about where we followed this procedure, and
the procedure says, there's you know, proper soulless lawyer type speak.
And it was so utterly tone deaf, it was so
completely not understanding the mood.
Speaker 7: That you know, people were genuinely annoyed that a a.
Speaker 8: Close friend of a pedo had he had been sort
of not even well, I suppose he was selling secrets
to me. He was selling very very cheaply, I mean
all mandals. Someone was getting out of this was I
think his boyfriend or his husband got like forty k
or something like that to do to train himself as
an ostia path or what some weird stuff like that,
and he got a few holidays out of it and
stuff like that. But he'd essentially been giving away state
secrets that even I mean even Labor MP's were turning
against the government at that point. You know, you had
you had backbenches going around and they got into this
thing that sometimes happens in British politics when it looks
like a prime minister is done, they all start positioning
for who's can be the next one, and that was
in full swing. A couple of the cabinet, in fact,
one of the cabinet ministers they unfortunately made live a
page on their personal website which was then running for leader.
It was all stuff like this. People were briefing against him.
The leader of Scottish Labor gave a press confidence and
said clearly Starr's got to go. And it seemed to
be this whole kind of pile on effect where you know,
if if you watch British politics, you've seen this before,
and the Prime Minister always is, you know, getting the
podium out the following lunchtime to announce his resignation and
handing over to someone. And actually on the on the
Sunday night it was leaked because a lot a lot
of this stuff, it just gets leaked, so it comes
out and it does the rounds and all that. All
the journalists knows what about to happen. It came out
that he was going to be giving his resignation the
following morning. Anyway, about half an hour went by and
he he kind of looked at it like like Bilbo
Baggins and said, well, why shouldn't I keep it? Why
why shouldn't I just stay the Prime Minister. I mean
they can't they can't actually force me out, I mean
just because you know, my judgment has been shown to
be utterly horrific.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but they hate me anyway, and he is the
most hated prime minister since records began. So he just
changed his mind and then he and then he and
he and he went and attended a factory and he
droned on about, you know, how morally good he is
and you know, the mission of his government, and all
the journalists were like, yeah, but you're gonna be resigning,
aren't you, And he was just like, no, I'm here
to do a job. And because he's because he's just
so soulless, it doesn't really matter to him. So we
were convinced that he was going to go a week ago. Uh,
and that's when we sort of first said that we
do this, but I mean scheduling, scheduling, and you know,
and and and I was also I was kind of hoping, well,
if we leave it till next weekend, it'd definitely be
gone by then and then I can tell you all
about that. But no, he's he's just plowing on, refusing
to go anywhere. In fact, one of his one of
his cabinet ministers, the ugand and David Lammy, was stopped
by the press as he was walking into Downing Street
and said, you know, will there be a change of.
Speaker 7: Government, will you? Will you be resigning?
Speaker 8: Will start and be resigning stuff like that, And he
turned around and he said to them, look, We've waited
fourteen years to get here. We're not going anywhere, and
that is I mean, that is very revealing, that is
very mask off. These these are fabians and they don't
normally get anywhere near office that they're often close, but
they don't often get in. And now that they're in,
there's nothing really that forces them. I mean there's a
few select scenarios where they can be forced out, but
basically they've got another three years and they fully intend
no matter how unpopular they are, no matter how many
by elections they lose, no matter how low their poll
ranking goes. And actually, quick pointing on their po ranking,
the entire Labor front bench, the entire cabinet are going
to lose their seats at the next election. We've seen
polls that Labor are due to get four seats at
the next general election. Now bear in mind they had
three hundred odd seats this time. They're going to go
to something like, well, maybe it's four, maybe it's twenty,
maybe it's thirty, whatever, but it's going to be an
absolutely historic wipeout. But they understand that they're never going
to get this chance again, and three years remaining in
power is good enough of them, so it looks like
they're just bloody going through and we're just going to
have to put up with watching them.
Speaker 3: Well, and I'm honestly it was sort of fortuitous that
we weren't delayed a week because this is a much
more interesting story, you know, then, Prime Ministers. I mean, look,
I've been paying attention to your politics for ten years
plus or minus, and I've seen, you know, a handful
of these occurrences. One I think it's incredibly interesting we
zoom out that we are set for two historic party
collapses in a decade, first the Conservatives and then the Liberals.
I follow, it's actually a very interesting account. It's a
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don't think we would agree on much, and they would
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But they're tracking in pretty minute detail, just the absolute
implosion of to be honest, both parties, and as far
as I understand, Labor is losing to both the lib
Dems and the Greens. Right there is still a left coalition,
but split between those two groups. And this is a
slight aside, but something I'm sort of interested in where
does the sort of Muslim majority voting black goal between
Lib Dems and the Greens, because it's seemingly already there
was sort of this uncomfortable alliance between gay communists and
people who want to push gay communists off of rooftops.
How does that shake out? I realize maybe an aside,
but I'm curious, where are those people going.
Speaker 8: Our political system is basically built for two and a
half political parties, and for the long time that was Labor.
Speaker 7: The Tories and.
Speaker 8: The Liberal Democrats would be the you know, the half option.
So if you couldn't make your mind up, you went
with Liberal Democrats, and they always kind of positioned themselves
as in fact, for a good lot for decades, their
policy was explicitly equidistance between the party. They're Trump positions
themselves exactly in the middle. That became increasingly difficult over
time because the Tories would move to the left of
the Labor Party, which kind of threw threw off the
whole thing. So all of those old assumptions are being
sort of scrapped. Really, so I should I should give
you a rundown of were Bridi's politics actually lies, And
it doesn't work because we've got about five or six
different parties are all in contention, and we have a
first pass the post system, so you can imagine the
chaos of how that works now. And because it's a
parliamentary system, it's six hundred and fifty almost presidential type
runs with five different parties competing between them, so it
ends up very skewing or I mean it just all
over the place. I mean, this is a completely unstable
political situation. It is going to have to rationalize down
to two and a half again because that's the only
way that the electoral mass works.
Speaker 7: So anyway, everything's thrown off.
Speaker 8: So yeah, so labor supposed to be for the working class,
they've increasingly become for.
Speaker 3: No Muslims and obnoxious and middle class professionals.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, yes, I'll go with that, upp class professionals
who are earning you know, ridiculous salaries on the public
sector and the rate gangs, so that they labor consistently
refused to do anything about the rape gangs. Because basically
it's entire communities who are responsible for this. You know,
we've seen this over and over again with the with
the court transcript, you'll get the wives, the mothers and
the sisters and even the daughters up in the gallery
screaming slag at the white girl, the twelve year old
white girl who was gang raped, and saying she deserved
it and stuff like that. So so it's an entire community,
and they all knew many examples of them. You know,
some guy you know sending text messages to thirty of
his friends and all of them turned up for child rape.
So it is it is the entire Pakistani community. Well,
I would say entire. I'm sure this one or two
didn't get involved, but it's a big wide to problem,
so they can't go after it without attacking their voting base.
But yeah, I mean they're they're they're destined to wipe
out the next election. The Tories traditionally supposed to be
the right wing part, but I mean there of course
the party of mass immigration. The biggest waves of immigration
was under Bois Johnson. He brought in millions of them
while were locked down over COVID. They currently got a
first generation Nigerian as their leader.
Speaker 7: They're just used.
Speaker 8: I mean everybody just feels, what is the point of view?
You betrayed as nobody trusts you.
Speaker 7: So they're done.
Speaker 8: The Liberal Democrats, which you mentioned, the old half party
in the old system. They're they're kind of because they're
because they're not tainted with this. They're doing sort of
moderately well, but they're still kind of in that third
place position. But what they really are is for people
with big gardens, so they don't get the inner city vote,
they get the countryside vote. And of course there's lots
of countryside in Britain, people with big gardens with very
liberal opinions. But I mean, they're all white, they're all British.
They're just wooly headed tosses. Then you've got the Green
Party that has emerged, and they are you know, it's
They've got a I mean, it's it's it's it's a
Zach Blanski's he's basically mont Army, except he's Jewish and
his deputy is a sort of big bearded Muslim and
they've got a kind of alliance of student radicals and
the Islamic left are basically moving over to to the
Green Party, and they're more likely to win the next
election than the Labor Tories, but they're a new political force.
Speaker 7: And then you've got Nigel Farrag who.
Speaker 8: For a while was the sort of the great hope
of the right that he was going to come in
and he was going to you know, be sensible for once.
And of course you mean you mean Americans will know
Nigel for He's been on stage with Trump enough times.
The problem is the closer he gets to power, the
further to the left he pivots, and the more he
covets the Muslim vote. So, for example, his his candidate
for mayor of London is an Egyptian Muslim woman. His
his deputy is is a Sri Lankan Muslim.
Speaker 7: I think Zaia Yusiv.
Speaker 8: Whenever you look at their messaging, their political messaging, it's
all you know, aren't we nice to Muslims? And I
mean he was. He was actually asked by Steve Eginton's
a Telegraph journalist here. He was sat down in an
in hisview about a year ago and he said, you know,
are you going to deport anybody? He was like, no,
it's impossible, And then he said yeah, but would you
want to if you could? And he was like no,
And he was like, well, do you do you recognize
British British ethnicity And he's like no, And you know,
and I mean I my bit on this was I because,
of course do the podcast Lotus Heaters, which which lots
of sort of journalists and people watch.
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 8: And then this was at the time when we had
the whole question of what is a woman? And Nigel
Farad has been bashing Labor and the Tories because they
couldn't well actually the Labor Party, because they couldn't say
what a woman was. So I said, somebody has to
ask him what is a British person? And it didn't
take long before journalists did that. And he said and
he thought about it for a while, and he kind
of laughed nervously and he said, oh, somebody who's been
living here for five years, so and and and and
what he's doing essentially is is he's completely taking for
granted the votes of the right.
Speaker 7: He thinks they've got nowhere else to go.
Speaker 8: He's kind of ruling his party with an iron fist
and chucking out people like Rupert Low the moment they
start to look a bit more popular than him.
Speaker 7: And you know, he and he.
Speaker 8: Was just trying to he was trying to try and
get that Muslim vote because he wants to try and
build the biggest coalitions possible because he wants to be
prime minister, so people are unhappy with him, but there
was still the best that he had up until, as
you mentioned below, forms a party.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, right you sort of have you know, the
Greens is sort of the like the Gates of Toledo
type situation, and Forage is sort of pivoting back to
making the exact same mistake the Conservatives made doing exactly
the same thing. And we mentioned earlier the kind of
confusion about Trump sort of fumbling pocket ass, and I
feel very much the same way about Farage, which was
he was handed a once in a generation political opportunity,
a chance to remake the country, to catapult himself into power,
and seemingly he has taken that opportunity and said, you know,
the oldest political party in the world that just set
itself on fire and exploded. It just lost, you know,
one of the most stunning elections in history. Yes, exactly.
And I don't like the guy. I'm not going to
pretend to be you know, I don't have his ear.
But as a as a you know, outside observer, you
just sort of look at it and you're like, well,
do you want to win, like do you want to succeed?
And clearly from a certain perspective he does. But again, right, like,
what would that even look like? It would simply be
the kind of b side the film negative of Blayroism. Right,
it is a reformation essentially of that same system, scraping
away some of the most egregious things. But look like
two thousand and two liberalism or two thousand and two
neoliberalism rather got us here. And so simply even if
you could right turn the clock back, not touching the demographics,
of course, like where do you think this leads? Not
you Dan? Of course? I really my biggest complaint about
Rupert Lowe is that he has named his party something
very confusing, and I continually am getting them mixed up
or combining the two names. A minor objection, But what
I've seen and his speech launching it was electric. YouTube
has figured out that I am some form of thought criminal,
and so normally, if any anything in the kind of
broader right wing gets you know, pushed out, I'll see it.
And I watched that speech when it first came out,
and it had you know, ten thousand views cycled back
through three hundred thousand cycled back through four hundred thousand.
It seems like it's exploding. Thing is obviously it's crazy.
It's gone very very far, and so I realized, you know,
this is nationent, this is you know, less than a
few days old. But what is the energy surrounding this
Because it seems as if people have been more and
more disgusted with Farage and his operation, and it seems
as if Low is sort of reignited a sort of
I guess you could say, kind of needi this passion.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because Low is authentic. So I mean, the original
falling out between Nigel Frag and Low was entirely one
way was he was Frag fell out Low, not the
other way around. Low was always extremely complementary. So he
basically he's I don't think he is proper aristocracy, but
he's got a touch with the aristocracy. He's a landed gentleman. Now,
Britain was the best run country in the world when
it was run by its landed aristocracy, and Lo he's
got his sort of family businesses, family farm He also
went into the city and did finance and he's very
successful in that. He became the chairman of Southampton Football Club,
which is one of our Premier league football clubs. He's
done various bits, you know, very much knows his mind,
very capable, very good businessman, and he unexpectedly won a
seat for Reform at the last election, and he wasn't touted,
he wasn't expected to win, but he just did a
really good ground game and he put resources into it
and he won great Yarmouth. So you know, some of
us might have heard of him before, but not not well,
we certainly didn't know. I think I've met him like
once before in the city. And so he became a
Reform MP and he just started telling us what he thought.
Speaker 7: He would give.
Speaker 8: Interviews and he would tweet, and everybody is perked up
because he was just better than for our she was
more authentic, and he actually believed it. He went further.
He said things like the grooming gangs, not not just
the not the just rapists themselves, but the communities they
need to go. And so the right was responding to
him really favorably. And what actually really kicked it off
was Farrarch who imagined himself at one time he was
sort of beloved by the American Right, and he kind
of imagined himself at this continue and he went over
to the US and he spent some time there, and
he had a meeting, a sit down meeting for an
hour with Elon Musk, and he came out of that
meeting and clearly expecting to get like ten million dollars
sent his way. He thought the meeting had gone very well,
so he was coming back and being sort of rather
braggadocio about that, and Elon actually tweeted out, Nigel Loh
does not have what it takes. And Elon saw it
before most of the rest of us did. I mean,
even at load theaters were still supporting Farage back then,
and not long after that, Elon tweeth is something like
but Rupert Low might have what it takes now. Prage
is one of those people where he cannot tolerate anyone
being more popular than him. I mean, he has done
political assassinations of like half the people he's ever worked
with on the right, and he I mean there's a
whole list. I mean, I won't name them because your
malegan audience won't understand who they are, but a lot
of billy people who will understand the names I mentioned.
I mentioned like fifteen twenty names of people that he's
knifed over the his thirty five year career because they
were starting to perhaps get a little bit too ahead
of themselves, a little bit too popular, perhaps taking some
of the shine off him, and he's very much about
about himself. So them and you could tell from x
and social media that Rupert low was just becoming more popular.
And no, Nigel Frager is the kind of guy that
have his own dog put down if it looked like
his dog was getting more popular than he was with
the members. So what they actually did was they made
up this bizarre series of claims that Rupert Lowe had
been physically abusing Zia Usif, who is a man half
his age. You know, he's whatever, sixty eight and z
i was like thirty six or something like that. Yes,
something of that order, and.
Speaker 3: That was supposed to be a strike against him or.
Speaker 8: Well, apparently he had been threatening Zaire that he was
going to have him killed and was roughing him up
and stuff like that, and so they, I mean, it's nonsense.
I mean, obviously Rupert was not doing any of that,
of course, but they even reported him to the police.
The police raided his home in the middle of the night,
took all his guns away and he was under investigation. Now,
Nigel just thought that he could carry out yet another
political assassination and then that person would just be excised from.
Speaker 7: History and would appear into the nether world.
Speaker 8: But because low was so popular, it didn't wash with anyone.
And that was the moment the lotus has turned on
Reform and it's like, come on, nonsense, Rupert Lowe is
absolute nonsense, and you know, Reform and Nigel Frodger lost
a huge amount of support. But by now, because they
would you know, labor were self imploding at this particular point.
Speaker 7: I mean, this was just after the.
Speaker 8: You know that that that Somalian chap had stabbed all
those girls at a dance class, actual ruder Vana and
and Starmer had fluffed that whole thing. So so reform
was really in the ascendance at this point, and they're
getting into normy world people who don't go online at
all and just just watch the media and so so,
so he was in the ascendancy, but the kind of
the online the people who actually follow it close enough
to know what's going on, they all kind of exited
Reform at that point, and we've been waiting for for
Rupert to form his own party, which he which she did.
He came out with that video. It was a breath
of fresh air. It said everything that we wanted it
to say. I mean, it helps that the staffers on
Rupert's team, I mean, they're all very close to the lotus.
They've they've all been on multiple times. You know, any
one of them could have ended up working for us,
so it didn't they didn't end up working out like that,
but you know, they're all they're all very close to us.
We know we all think the same. And I mean
and and I think load disease is just an example
of where the sort of the British online right is.
I mean, we've fairly center ground for the online right,
which is which is still well to the right of
you know that everybody else h and Rupert low talked about,
you know, what is going to be necessary to fix
this country is going to be incredibly painful, and it's like, yeah,
that's authentic.
Speaker 7: I believe that.
Speaker 8: I'm fed up of politician's telling me that everything's going
to be easy and they can just spend more money,
because I know they're lying to me, or they there,
or they're filtering it out through debt, or you know,
they just don't understand the problems, you know. He said,
millions must go. Music to our ears he said. He said,
the people that were complicit in the grooming gangs need
to go, People who hate this country need to go.
Millions must go, he said, and a whole bunch of
other things he said. But it resonated so clearly, and
I have never seen excitement on the British right as
I did that weekend. Everybody was excited. Everybody's falling in line.
There's still one or two die hard reform supporters who
basically suffering from sunk cost fallacy and reform. Their response
is the most interesting of all because they just immediately
started calling everybody involved with the store and rupert, and
they started calling them neo Nazis and fascists.
Speaker 7: And racists.
Speaker 8: So that was the outcome of thirty five years of
Nigel's political career. The British people now get to be
called fascist by somebody wearing a turquoise rosette instead of
instead of a red one. I mean, brilliant, brilliant Leah Cunningham,
He's who I've already mentioned the candidate for the mayor
of London, the Egyptian born woman, you know she she was.
She was on the on the TV the other day
saying that he's a neo Nazi party because they because
they because they recognize English identity. And so you've now
got this position where reformers just slinging out racist and
fascist all the time, refusing to acknowledge that there is
such a thing as the British people refusing to deport
the grooming gang communities.
Speaker 7: But they're they're intermal. I mean, it hasn't cut through
to the normies. I'll give it that.
Speaker 8: But the but the sharp end of the of the
British right, the online bit, the people where the where
all of the arguments come from. I mean amount of
times I've seen arguments that I've I've formed, emulated, I
put thought into and formulated and put out on the
lotus sees is getting picked up by Reform staffers and
then filtering into Farge speeches or a whole bunch of
other outlets, because there's no there's no dyningism anywhere else
apart from the online rights. It is the thought space
for the right, all switched over to perform and it's
early days yet, but you know, we got three years
and we actually have something that we want to vote for,
something that might actually make change.
Speaker 7: So bloody brilliant.
Speaker 3: Certainly, the that turn right from from playing you know,
the the right word bounds of acceptable politics too, you know,
instantly canceling to your rate. It's something we're all too
familiar with in America. You know, I've written a number
of articles on this because it's something I'm interested in
and passionate about. But this is why conservatives are losers,
why they always always get their teeth kicked in, because ultimately,
and Forage is perhaps a perfect example of this, they
share their enemies, end goals, they just disagree about how
to get there. Ultimately, they're owned completely and totally. I
wrote a somewhat insulting article called the House Conservative right,
kind of flipping that famous line from Malcolm X about
the house slave versus the field slave. Not exactly his words,
you could read between the lines, but it's so on
one hand, completely and totally disgusting when you, as Nigel
Farraje and his political party are employing this sort of
apocalyptic language. Right, this might be the last election, the
most important election of your lifetime and then well, what
are you gonna do when you get there? Oh well
we wouldn't send anyone back. That would be rude, that
would be mean. It's not possible, just as British as
you are. It's like, okay, well, then why does it matter?
Why is this apocalyptic? Is it just the finances? I'm
sure I'm not going to pretend that British finances or
American for that matter, seem to be in particularly good order,
But why not? Seemingly you have no real position here,
you have no substantive objection. And then when someone offers
a meaningful alternative, when they disagree with those core set
of premises, certainly they get attacked from the left, but
they get attacked with sort of increased, magnified aggression from
the nominal center, right from the house slaves, because again right,
and Farrage is sort of a perfect example of this.
His position only works if there's no one to his right.
He doesn't get to be mister Brexit if Rupert Lowe's around,
So he's going to fight, and he has and I'm
using him as a stand in. Well, I mean, to
be honest, I said I was using him as a
stand in. But let's be honest, everyone in that organization
is just his political flunky, and he's made clear of that,
you know, by urging people. But he's going to act
to you know, ensure his relative position of privilege, right
as the progressives would say. And I've been very heartened
by the fact that this hasn't worked. He is far
from you know, ruined Low's political career, right, he sort
of shot him into the ascendency. And honestly, I've been
very heartened by the quality of the people.
Speaker 7: In that institution.
Speaker 3: I don't know Low from Adam, but as you've said,
I've interacted with some of the staffers, both publicly and privately.
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Speaker 3: HSE and they're exactly the sort of young guys you
would want in such a position. So I realize you
have sort of a personal anecdote to this. But you know,
if we say that, you know Rupert Lowe's outfit has
done a good job of recruiting, of bringing people in.
How has damn it? I can never get these two
parties straight. How has Nigel Paraja's story or party rather
gone about selecting candidates who will and won't they accept?
Speaker 7: Well that, I mean, that is an interesting question.
Speaker 8: So both myself and another the loads of Theaters history
bro Bodade, we were both Reform candidates before the last election,
and we were both de selected and kicked out the
party with a very curt copy and paste email. In
my case, it was because they had found a tweet
of mine from just after the Manchester Arena bombing, where
you know, a Muslim immigrant he walked into a child's concert,
he and he blew up fifty people with a nail
pond backpack. They found a tweet the day after that
where I was saying, well it pign criminals have got
to be deported and mosques that are radalyzing people have
got to be closed. Now, I will admit I am
nowhere near that moderate today.
Speaker 7: This is I was.
Speaker 3: About to say that seems to be a relatively liberals.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that, I mean, I mean, I mean
I I you know, was you know, working in a
sort of job where you couldn't really be that spicy
back then. But yeah, I mean wildly moderate compared to
where I am today. But they found that and they
thought that that was so egregious that they kicked me
out with a copy and paste email. Funnily enough, what
I had said in that week actually came to be
on page three of the Reform manifesto by the time
of the election. But you cannot be one inch to
the right of Nigel Farrage one day early and he
will purge you. Bo likewise, had made some comments on
the Lotus seaters and they decided they didn't like and
they chucked him out as well. And actually what we
ultimately found out was that there was an organization in
the UK called Hope Not Hate, and they are a
government funded ultra Marxist organization who spend their time doxing
people on the right. So if you've got an anonymous
account in the UK, and you're effective. They will send
people to where they think you might live and start
knocking on doors. You know, do you know this person
until they managed to track you down and conducts you
with an attempt of hoping to get you fired or
ostracized or whatever it is. They're a disgusting left wing
Marxist organization and reform bizarrely, and this is this is
absolutely true. Use hope not hate to vet their candidates.
That that's how they end up selecting them. And as
for I mean, the previous mayor of cad Mayor of
London candidate I think was a former soldier, a special
special Forces former soldier, but he expressed opinions that could
be considered based.
Speaker 7: And so he had to go and he was replaced.
Speaker 8: With a you know, first generation Egyptian immigrant to put
him in. So I mean, as if you're going to
be a reform candidate, you need to be the blandest
of the bland. If you're thinking about it, you need
to delete all of your social media. You need to
turn up and express the safest, most boomerish. I suppose
right of CeNSE if you can even apply right to this,
but safe liberal orthodoxy views because I mean Fragi's he's,
as you said, his mind runs on the boom of
truth regime. He can't he can't see anything outside of that. Yeah,
and and and so I mean, I mean, I I
h I wish you could see some of the candidates
that they're they're putting out now. I mean, the other
the other day, I saw one which was a black
transgender woman with a with a blonde wig. I saw
another one which is a form of a legal immigrant,
one of the boat people. But he he had got
his status regularized, and so he's going to be running
as a candidate. Now, I mean, it's just insane. But
what's even the point exactly.
Speaker 3: Like, what meaningfully would be the difference between and obviously, sure,
you know, we might get the flag out, you know,
we might you know, be nicer to you know Churchill
or you know, some such historical figure, but functionally it
is the same governing ideology. Again, as Michael Malice said,
driving the speed limit right on that point of Nick Lowles,
this this is slightly unusual for me. But I'm asking
my audience for help because I am trying to track
down a PDF version of an article Nick Lowles wrote
called grooming an issue we cannot ignore, which has been
almost wipe from the internet. It's very hard to find.
But Lowells, who is a My opinions on him are
not conducive.
Speaker 7: To He's the guy who runs hope not hate that
I mentioned.
Speaker 3: Yes, uh, I have no opinions on him at all.
That is what I will say if if I discuss
him too much, I'll say something.
Speaker 8: That will you might want to come to the UK
one day, don't want to get arrested at the airport.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly with a Sam Hyde esque screed about Nichols.
But in this article, which is I think from twenty twelve,
he makes a very interesting point where he basically says
the worst part about the grooming gangs is that they
make the BMP look good. They make the far right
sound like they have a point because they're right about
this issue. So we need to we need to solve it,
not because of the human cost, not because of the
you know, the just rampant amount of abuse, but because
it might make the far right, it might empower the
far right. It's the terminology he uses. So if anyone
has that in full, I'd really appreciate it because seemingly
even Nichols realized that wasn't the best point and it's
been just nuked from orbit. The best I've got is like,
actually another socialist woman jump in with.
Speaker 8: Another mentioned before, Nigel Farage sort of announced his shadow
cabinet because he's because he's going to It looks like
at the moment on current polling that he's going to
win the next election, although as soon as Restore came
out they started slipping the pole of the course, we'll
see he's just too early to assess that now, but
we'll see how that goes. But he's been getting defections
from from the Tory Party. He's had whatever, he's like
four defections at this point, and so he's got enough
people now that he can form a small version of
the shadow cabinet, and so he was appointing those the
other day, and questions, of course started from the press
about what do you make of Rupert Lowe's store party. Now,
remember I previously said that they had made up all
this stuff about how a sixty eight year old man
was bullying, physically bullying and threatening to kill a man
half his age for no apparent reason. That was previously
the story and the police investigation, and they came to
the conclusion this was nonsense and they dropped it all.
He stood up just a few days ago and said,
the reason we had to get rid of Rupert Low
was because he started saying that he was going to
get rid of the communities involved in the grooming gangs,
and that is unconscionable. And he then go on to say,
you know, the tactics that we used to get rid
of him, I admit were a bit I can't hear
what he said, but a bit, a bit rough something
like that. So essentially he admitted to perverting the course
of justice, wasting police time in making up criminal allegations
against somebody just to get them out of the party,
all for the purpose of protecting the communities that were
complicit in the grooming gangs. An extraordinary admission. But yeah,
I mean, essentially, what you're getting with reform is exactly
the same acceptable governing ideology and a different rapper.
Speaker 7: One that people might go for.
Speaker 8: And I mean that immediately answers the question as to
why they're doing it. They're selling you the same thing
that you're allowed to have if you're going to be
in British government only in a rapper that people might
actually vote for, because there's no way people are voting
for Tory or Labor anymore.
Speaker 3: Well, then we're fast approaching time. Where can people find you?
Speaker 7: I am on the Lotus Eaters a few times a week.
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I do. Actually, the best thing if you found this
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