1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,799 Speaker 1: Eleven oh one Sports Talk seven ninety. Let's spend ten 2 00:00:02,839 --> 00:00:05,160 coldy minutes with our friend Brian bogus Sevik. He was 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,679 busy on TV duty yesterday, so we switched him to 4 00:00:07,679 --> 00:00:11,039 today and he joins us here on the seven ninety. 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,400 Boget's great to hear your voice is always uh help me. 6 00:00:14,519 --> 00:00:16,600 We spent the first hour trying to figure out what 7 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:19,320 has happened to our favorite left hander who has had 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,600 a disastrous month of April. 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: Uh. 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,879 Speaker 1: Hunter Brown knew the situation was tight against Tark's well, 11 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,440 he had to be as good as he possibly could, 12 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,440 and he was for those innings that he threw. Astros 13 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,799 needed a lengthy game. They got their five innings from 14 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:36,799 their starter in from Bervaldez. But it was more of 15 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,320 a hey, we got nobody else, You're gonna have to 16 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,079 worry this a little bit. 17 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was certainly disappointing, you know, seeing 18 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,119 Troumberd not really go out there and rise to the occasion. 19 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,759 I think you got to look at it through two 20 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:53,880 different lenses. You know, first of all the physical right, 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,079 like this is two out of his last three starts 22 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,679 where the sinker hasn't had the right shape the curve 23 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:03,679 ball has been pretty ineffective, and so that's kind of 24 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:05,480 a you got to sit down, you got to look 25 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,319 at some video, You got to work on your mechanics 26 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,680 in between starts and get that right. You know, when 27 00:01:09,719 --> 00:01:12,439 he's kind of feeling for his sinker a little bit 28 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,959 and you see the velocity really varying, that's when you 29 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,319 can tell he's trying to find the right shape and 30 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,040 the right release point and he just didn't have it yesterday. 31 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:24,599 But that's that that happens throughout the course of the season. 32 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,519 That's something that that you can fix. That is unfortunate 33 00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:30,760 that it's happening now, but it just is what it is. 34 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,920 The other side of it is kind of looking at 35 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,719 it from you know, where's from are at mentally right? 36 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,000 This is something that we've seen pop up throughout the 37 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,439 course of his career, is when things don't go his way, 38 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:46,319 frustration builds and and it snowballs on him, and you know, 39 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,400 innings get away from him, and you know, he kind 40 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:53,079 of becomes his own worst enemy. And you know, we've 41 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:55,480 never seen it like yesterday where it almost felt like 42 00:01:55,519 --> 00:01:58,359 he was frustrated going into the game. Usually it takes 43 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:00,519 a blue pit and you know, some guys bunting on 44 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:02,519 him and trying to steal bases to really kind of 45 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:05,439 rattle him a little bit. It almost felt like going 46 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,080 into that game with where the offense has been, it 47 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:10,560 was almost like a, you know, instead of going into 48 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,319 that game thinking I'm going to be the guy that 49 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,560 elevates us, I'm going to be the guy that, you know, 50 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:16,719 even if we're not scoring runs, I'm going to throw 51 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:18,280 up a bunch of zeros and give us a chance. 52 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:20,840 It almost was a oh man, you know we're not 53 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,599 going to score any runs. It's going to be harder 54 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,520 than it should be. It was almost a defeated before 55 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,080 you went out there kind of feeling. And that's really 56 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:31,759 concerning because you need your best guys to be the 57 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:33,719 guys that kind of stand up and say, hey, you 58 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,680 made an error behind me, I'll pick you up. You 59 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:38,280 guys in scor any runs, I'll pick you up. And 60 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,319 that start to the game yesterday certainly was not that. 61 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:44,599 Speaker 1: And Brian, we got to be fair here. We don't 62 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,840 want to be psychologist on the radio show. We want 63 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:50,879 to be people that talk about the game. You've played 64 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,800 the game, you know the intricacies of it, but it 65 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:57,800 is a pretty fair assertion to say that if you're 66 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,280 seeing that before the game, that's that's a huge cause 67 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:05,560 for concern. Now, he could have that his Dauber down 68 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:07,879 and then go throw seven innings of three hit, ball 69 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,759 and spin and beautiful and get the highest rich guy 70 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,599 count and we'd be like, well, that's just Frommer. But 71 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:17,919 it's so disheartening because you know, I thought Hunter Brown 72 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,080 went in there going trek Scooble is one of the 73 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,039 best pitchers in the game. I've got to be my 74 00:03:22,199 --> 00:03:24,000 very best, and I thought he had the maxy to 75 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:26,759 do that. And I guess the thing is, not every 76 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,800 player you've ever played with, Brian Bogosvik, or every picture 77 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,039 you've been with or you've covered or talked about or 78 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,960 played with, has that maxia of I don't care what's 79 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,879 going against this, I'm going to fight through it. And 80 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,039 maybe Frombert is one of those guys. 81 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: But at the same time, we've seen him come up 82 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,960 big in big situations in playoff games in the past, 83 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:48,759 so it's not really that. It's more of just getting 84 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,599 him into the right headspace because we know from experience 85 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:54,240 that he can be a guy that can go out 86 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,840 there and thrive in pressure pack situations, and you know, 87 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:01,159 sometimes it builds start over start. There's been some things 88 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:04,039 that haven't gone Fromber's way, even when he's been really 89 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:07,280 good in a couple of starts recently. So it's really 90 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,680 just getting him in the right space. You know, in 91 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,719 between starts, you've got to work on things mechanically in 92 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:14,960 your bullpen sessions, but you also got to get in 93 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,160 the right headspace. And I think you know, having a 94 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:20,920 strong clubhouse, you know, having Carlos Carea back, having Al 95 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,759 Tuove there, kind of sit down with him and reassure 96 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,360 him that you know, we're all in this with you 97 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,680 and we need you. I think that's kind of where 98 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,519 you got to get him to because if he's right, 99 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,680 I mean I'm not talking about physically right, but when 100 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,959 he's right and he's going out there and taking on 101 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,399 that challenge, I mean he's been up to it in 102 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:39,839 the past. 103 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: Brian Bogus evch with us here on Sports Talk seven. 104 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,040 Ani Bogie does lineup construction. That's where I think a 105 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:49,720 lot of folks will call me and say, hey, why 106 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,759 is this player in front of this guy? Why is 107 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,519 this guy hitting in this part of the order and look, 108 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,439 Joe's is trying to find something that works, and unfortunate 109 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,680 when you've had such little offense a last handful of 110 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:04,839 days as well, try flip move different guys around. Generally speaking, 111 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:09,120 your assessment of the lineup in terms of its up 112 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,240 and down changes, I don't think there's much to do 113 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,000 with it, because it's not like it's been a certain 114 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,240 pocket of players that have done their job, and it's 115 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,720 just felt like a collective slump among the entire team. 116 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,279 Thus the case with no runs being scored except for 117 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,839 the two run homer yesterday afternoon. 118 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you only have you know the tools 119 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:27,680 that are at your disposal, and I mean we've seen 120 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,160 we've seen lineup tweaks throughout the course of the season 121 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,319 where if there's only a handful of guys who have 122 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:36,199 it going, you know, Joe's really tried to bunch those 123 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,160 guys up so you have some semblance of you know, 124 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,920 guys stringing at bats together. The problem right now is 125 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,879 that it's not really going that way for anybody, and 126 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,959 you can only make a lineup out of what you got, 127 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,920 and you know, they dropped Sanchez down in the in 128 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:52,839 the lineup a little bit, But you know, at some point, 129 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,240 the lineup is what it is, and the roster is 130 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,000 what it is, and it's on the players to go 131 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,560 out there and hit. And you can try to find 132 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:03,879 favorite matchups and kind of give yourself advantages in the margins. 133 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,199 But when the players aren't hitting, it doesn't matter, you know, 134 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:08,680 if you're hitting first or you're hitting nines. 135 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: Honestly, Bogie, this team has had its offensive rolls. Really 136 00:06:16,519 --> 00:06:20,399 more so this consistently is compared to being a team 137 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:23,399 that's putting up seven, eight to nine runs. To me, 138 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:26,240 this has been a kind of a byproduct if you've 139 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,160 got a lot of guys getting a lot of AB's 140 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,560 that maybe are playing the most. And I'll use Camsmith 141 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,399 as example, Taylor Tremmell has been a guy that's been 142 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,519 up and down with a variety of different teams. Jacob 143 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,360 Meltin looks like he's not necessarily ready for the big 144 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,160 time of major league baseball. How much of that is 145 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,639 do you think is the moment right now is really 146 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,120 big for a lot of these young men who have 147 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,319 not gotten as many professional at bats like this. How 148 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:53,720 much of this is dog days and how much of 149 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,399 this is my God, Jordan, please make sure your hands 150 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:57,480 feel good. We need you in the heart of the 151 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,040 lineup as soon as humanly possible. 152 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,759 Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is is, you know, middle 153 00:07:04,759 --> 00:07:08,240 of the order major league hitters run producers. Big time 154 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,360 hitters like Jordan or guys like him aren't very common, 155 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,680 and you can you can find guys who are swinging 156 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,240 a hot bat and have them in the middle of 157 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,399 the order for a while, and you can you know, 158 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:23,079 play a hot hand for a little bit. But you know, 159 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:27,000 at the end of the day, to have a you know, 160 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:29,879 big time offense that consistently produces runs, you need the 161 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:32,160 horses to do it. And you know, they did a 162 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:36,360 great job for a long time getting by piecing together 163 00:07:36,399 --> 00:07:39,319 a lineup and having guys put in situations where they 164 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:41,879 can thrive, and getting production out of the bottom of 165 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:44,160 a lineup of guys who are just kind of filling 166 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,160 in roles. You know, a lot of that has to 167 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:48,319 do with you need your big guys up at top producing, 168 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:51,000 so the guys further down the lineup can just be 169 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,240 you know, supplementing that. But you know, at the at 170 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,639 the end of the day, you become who you are, 171 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,839 and you know, Cam Smith is a guy who was 172 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:03,199 in college last year, and some of these other guys 173 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:05,399 were guys that were not necessarily going to be counted 174 00:08:05,439 --> 00:08:08,519 on as everyday players. And when you get thrust into 175 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:11,040 that role at some point, it's going to get exposed 176 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:14,319 a little bit. And you know, if they're gonna score 177 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:18,240 runs consistently and be a productive offense consistently, it's got 178 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:21,079 to be from the guys who can do it. And 179 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,560 getting yourd On back will be helpful, and getting Altuve 180 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,120 hot again will be helpful, and getting Christian Walker going 181 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,160 will be helpful. But yeah, you're you're not going to 182 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,680 consistently score runs if you're just trying to piece meal 183 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:32,440 a lineup together. 184 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: How much did the former outfielder and you feel for 185 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:38,519 Taylor Trammel and Hitty took in the first thing of 186 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:39,360 the game yesterday? 187 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: You know what I First of all, that's the position 188 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,840 that you're in physically there, where you're you're on a 189 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:49,600 dead sprint backwards, but at the same time you're trying 190 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,879 to kind of fight to keep the ball from from 191 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,639 pailing over your head, so you're leaning back like that's 192 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,960 the worst position you can be in to run face 193 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,879 first into the wall. So yeah, that that doesn't feel good. 194 00:08:59,879 --> 00:09:02,360 But this is, you know, one of the things where 195 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:04,360 you point at and you say, Okay, the team's not 196 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,159 playing well, they're not hitting well, they're not winning games. 197 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,240 You know, how frustrating is it? You know, is Joe's 198 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,639 spot of going in the clubhouse and flipping tables and stuff. 199 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,519 But it's like you've got guys literally running face first 200 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:18,080 into the wall. I mean, the night before Taylor Tremmell 201 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:21,279 laid out on the warning track and landed flat on 202 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,320 his back. So there's no lack of effort, there's no 203 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,960 lack of playing hard. And so yeah, I feel for 204 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:29,039 guys going out there and trying to put in that 205 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,000 effort and still not getting the results that they want. 206 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:35,360 But you know, it's not for lack of going for 207 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,080 it lastly. 208 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,759 Speaker 1: And I don't mean to put twenty five egos into 209 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:42,639 your mind here for a second, or twenty six, I 210 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:46,559 should say. But yeah, if you're Joe Aspata and your 211 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,480 team has scored two runs and a handful of games, 212 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,159 nearly got perfect game the other night against Baltimore, you're 213 00:09:51,159 --> 00:09:53,080 seeing that same guy tonight. As a matter of fact, 214 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:57,600 what is the clubhouse tenor I know it has been 215 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:00,240 so even keeled for about a decade, even when things 216 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:02,200 haven't been great, because there have been some downspots there 217 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,320 always in one hundred and sixty two game schedule, But 218 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,879 this feels I don't know if the were tense. I 219 00:10:08,879 --> 00:10:11,200 know there was a player conversation that took place that 220 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,639 Carlos created that said a couple of things here and there. 221 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,200 How does Joe manage this when it's not necessarily about 222 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:21,080 guys not performing up to expectations. There maybe a few 223 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,639 in the mix, but it's also a lot of guys 224 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:24,559 that are like, man, we just need some help. And 225 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:27,360 whether it's coming through pitching and injuries and getting guys back, 226 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,759 whether it's Jordan, and that's a lot of pressure on him. 227 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:34,679 How does Joe handle the tough love versus August dog 228 00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:38,679 days versus If I start screaming and yelling and throwing water, 229 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,639 gatorade bottles and whatnot, I might lose my clubhouse and 230 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:42,879 we're still a game in a half in front of 231 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,440 everybody else in the American League West. 232 00:10:45,399 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly not about screaming and yelling. You know 233 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:51,159 that that's not going to move the needle. With guys. 234 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,320 You know, what you do want to do is express 235 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,279 and create the sense of urgency which is already going 236 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,240 to be there with a lot of guys who been 237 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,759 through you know, stretch runs and playoff hunts, but just 238 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,320 kind of say, hey, guys, you know, we know that 239 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,679 over the course of a season you work your way 240 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,519 out of slumps, but this is kind of you know, 241 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,120 we don't have the luxury of time on our hands 242 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,000 right now. We've got to push a little bit harder, 243 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,600 and just not even from a physical standpoint of working 244 00:11:19,759 --> 00:11:22,679 harder or doing more, but just we need that focus 245 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:25,240 to be there every day and kind of lock in 246 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,320 like we would if this were the last series of 247 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,440 the season and our playoff hopes we're riding on it. 248 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:33,679 Just kind of create that sense of urgency now and 249 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,240 hopefully you can kind of things can click and you 250 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:38,840 snap out of it and then carry that through the 251 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:39,559 rest of the season. 252 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,279 Speaker 1: Great stuff as always, friend, thank you for the time. 253 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,519 We'll get you back on our normal Wednesday spot next week. 254 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,000 We thank you and talk soon.