WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:05.400 Jen and I weather tot these guys today high twenty 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:08.279 one overnight snow moves in winter weather advisory from my 3 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:10.080 friends around northern Kentucky. 4 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:12.439 Whatever that means fifteen for the low twenty two to 5 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:12.679 the high. 6 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:15.480 Tomorrow is early snow possible, so watch for the slick 7 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:19.280 spots on your commute. Overcast Wednesday night snow will taper off. 8 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:22.039 Ohio River going over flood stage of predicting a low 9 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:24.320 of twelve degrees and a high twenty three on Thursday 10 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:27.039 with Hartley cloudy skies fifteen. Right now, let's get an 11 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:29.160 update on traffic from the. 12 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:31.039 UCL Traffic Center. You see health. 13 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:34.159 You'll find comprehensive care that's so personal it makes your 14 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:38.119 best tomorrow possible. That's boundless care for better outcomes. Expect 15 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:41.399 more at u S health dot com. Southbound seventy five 16 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:45.159 break lights through Wachman northbound seventy five slow go from 17 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.960 before Buttermilk into the cut. There's a wreck on Bypass 18 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:53.159 four at Hamilton Middletown and Kellogg is underwater near Sutton 19 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.000 thanks to the rising river. Chuck Ingram on fifty five 20 00:00:57.079 --> 00:00:59.119 KRC the talk station. 21 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.320 Seven thirty right now, if you have kersite talk station. 22 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.760 It is a very happy Tuesday. We got the inside 23 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:09.319 scoop with Bright Bart News coming up at eight oh 24 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:11.719 five with aw Or Hawkins, the Second Amendment expert Dania 25 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.200 Davis Deep Dive one hour from now on the efforts 26 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.879 on Trump administration to solve the war between Russian and Ukraine. 27 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.560 And right now from the law firm of Porter Wright, 28 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:25.879 excellent lawyers. They are our legal expert and consultants. Steve 29 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:27.799 Good and welcome back to the Morning Show, my friend. 30 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:29.480 It's always a real pleasure having you on the show. 31 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:31.719 Good morning, sir. 32 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.799 So you have your Charter Committee hat on. 33 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:41.280 That's right. We're talking about some bad laws that the 34 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:45.799 city has passed recently here and I've been very honored 35 00:01:45.799 --> 00:01:49.200 to serve as the chairman and convener of our one 36 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.519 hundred year old Charter Party, the third party here in Cincinnati, 37 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:58.400 and we've got some real issues with a major zoning 38 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:00.799 reform that the city just passed. I put reform in 39 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:01.959 quotation marks. Yeah. 40 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.719 I saw your at least I cognitively felt your quote 41 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:08.280 sign with your fingers when you said that. Now, this 42 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.319 so called reform, the connected communities zoning legislation remind my 43 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:14.680 listeners before we start talking about why the Charter Committee 44 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.439 wants to repeal it, but remind my listeners what connected 45 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:18.400 communities is. 46 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:24.000 Well, it's it is a kind of progressive fever dream 47 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:27.400 of zoning reform that will is really kind of a 48 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:31.400 war on single family homeowners. We've been calling it disconnected communities. 49 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:33.800 I know that's an easy kind of joke to make, 50 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.560 but you know you'll win. You win basketball games with 51 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:40.199 layups and we'll make the joke. So disconnected communities is 52 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.639 this sort of concept that the city came up with 53 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:46.199 that we need more density, which I think everyone agrees with. 54 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:48.840 I mean, I think that we need more taxpayers, we 55 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:51.199 need more people living in the city. It's how you 56 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.080 go about it that is the problem. So we have 57 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.039 these new rabbid transit bus lines that will be coming 58 00:02:57.080 --> 00:02:59.639 on through much of the city in the coming year, 59 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:04.680 running all the major corridors, such as up through Clifton Avenue, 60 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:08.240 Hamilton Avenue at the Reading Road corridor, through almost the 61 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.080 entire city, most of the West side, and the idea 62 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:14.840 here is that there will be basically no zoning requirements 63 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.520 at all within four blocks of either side of these 64 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.520 gigantic bus lines. Which will encompass most of the city. 65 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:24.719 No height requirements, no parking requirements, no garages, no anything. 66 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:29.280 And the idea is to encourage multifamily kind of middle housing, 67 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:34.199 lower end multi family construction. So the practical effect of 68 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:38.639 this will be out of town developers, private equity developers 69 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.159 which are coming into the area in droves anyway, buying 70 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.800 up single family houses, knocking them down for profit, and 71 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:50.599 then putting in twelve to fourteen unit in apartment complexes 72 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:54.639 right in these single family areas. So it would, in theory, 73 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.039 I guess, increase density. The idea is you want these 74 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:00.520 folks to live in the apartments along these bus lines. 75 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.919 It's supposed to encourage people to ride the bus and 76 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:08.800 so forth. But it totally disrespects existing homeowners, It disrespects 77 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:13.159 the historic character in the neighborhoods. There are no requirements 78 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.720 whatsoever that these new apartment complexes even fit in with 79 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:19.319 the neighborhoods. And what we're already seeing in a handful 80 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:22.000 of neighborhoods like along of College Hill area, we're seeing 81 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.800 we're seeing a kind of pre connected communities. Version of 82 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.519 this happened in Hyde Park Square, where the neighbors are 83 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.399 looking at this and saying, you know, we moved here 84 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:32.560 and bought these houses, an invested a significant amount of 85 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.720 our resources and savings into our homes. We're raising our 86 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:38.920 families here, and now you're building these modern things with 87 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:43.000 no parking, adding to congestion and totally changing the way 88 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.879 our neighborhood works and looks, and we don't want it. 89 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.439 And you know this is one of these. It was 90 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.839 passed over the objection of almost every community council in 91 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.040 the city. It kind of unites people from Avondale to 92 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:59.519 North Avondale, to Price Hill to Clift into Hyde Park, Democrat, Republican, 93 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.800 the in between. We're saying we don't want this. The 94 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.279 city council passed it over everyone's objection, and we think 95 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.879 it's going to be the hottest political issue this fall, 96 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.000 going into the races. It's a uniquely local issue, it's 97 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:17.199 a local screw up. It's something that cuts across all 98 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:21.000 party lines, and it's a great classic Charter third party 99 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.639 issue for us because it goes to transparency, consent of 100 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:29.120 the government, and really it's the idea of zoning is 101 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:31.519 not a particularly sexy issue, but let me tell you, 102 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.000 it is motivating people across the city right now. 103 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.360 It is horrible news. If you're a homeowner, Well, I 104 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.040 have several questions for you. We're coming up against the 105 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:42.040 break here, so I'm a pause and I will bring 106 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:44.800 you back to ask those questions and talk a little 107 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.079 bit more about this and whether or not there might 108 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.040 be Oh, I don't know, legal challenges to the whole thing. 109 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.439 Seven thirty five right now more with Steve Gooden. First 110 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.040 word for and no, it won't get rid of the 111 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:58.000 stench of politics brought about by that Connected Communities program, 112 00:05:58.120 --> 00:05:59.279 but it will get rid of the owners that you're 113 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:03.319 dealing with in world smoke, mold, mildew, human odors, pet oders, 114 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:04.319 food oders, whatever. 115 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:04.720 The odor. 116 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:08.519 Odor exit has a product product to eliminate it, natural 117 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.639 products that several of them. You literally can rub the 118 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.680 odor exit concentrate on your dog, which I've done before, 119 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:17.920 Liam Man. 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Overnight 141 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.680 snow will taper off the Ohio River met well go 142 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.040 beyond the flood stage right now the predicted fifty three 143 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.000 point four feet. Thursday's going to be a partly cloudy 144 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.000 day with a high of twenty three. It's fifteen right 145 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:33.079 now and it is traffic time. From the UCL Traffic Center. 146 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:33.839 You see health. 147 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.000 You'll find comprehensive care that's so personal it makes your 148 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:40.879 best tomorrow possible. That's boundless care for better outcomes. Expect 149 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.199 more at u se health dot com. Southbound seventy five 150 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:47.959 break lights through Wachland northbound seventy five slow go from 151 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.360 before buttermilk into the cut. There's a wreck on by 152 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:55.279 Pass four at Hamilton, Middletown and kell Agg is underwater 153 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:59.240 near Sutton thanks to the rising river. Chuck Ingram on 154 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.879 fifty five k DE talk station. 155 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.199 Fifty fout carc DE talk Station, A very happy Tuesday 156 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:10.839 to you. Love talking with Steve Gooden about matters legal 157 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:13.360 and of course in this particular case, UH, the City 158 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:17.199 of Cincinnati ramming this connected community zoning legislation down the 159 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.639 throats of every community in the City of Cincinnati for 160 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.160 denser housing, no parking, but on a bus line. 161 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:24.839 And that's the first question, Steve. 162 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.759 You predicated this whole rezoning of all the communities on 163 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:31.800 the idea it's going to have this particular bus route 164 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:34.159 going through it. So the folks in these dense housing 165 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:38.559 projects will have ability to take that bus because it 166 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.360 is on the bus route. Now is that to suggest, 167 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.480 I'm curious to know if down the road they expand 168 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:52.080 these bus routes, would that then expand the connected communities program? 169 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.840 Well, absolutely, it could happen that way. And I mean, 170 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.840 you know, the bus lines are are being expanded, you know, 171 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:02.120 as they are. I mean the current plan is to 172 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.600 add these sort of rapid transit buses, these bigger buses, 173 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.080 the so called articulated ones that are kind of double 174 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:12.080 buses and have the sort of rubberized thing in the middle. 175 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:15.080 So I mean they're already expanding, and that's part of 176 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:17.240 the idea here. But I think that's also one of 177 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:20.240 the great failings of this concept, which it just assumes 178 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:23.879 that people who are going to move into these houses 179 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.519 are going to ride the bus forever. I mean, we 180 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:30.000 know from other cities that have tried similar schemes out 181 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.919 of the Northwest that people you know, are aspirational. They 182 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:38.200 want they want cars. I mean, cars are access so 183 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.519 much more economic opportunity for people. They allow you to 184 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:44.399 look at different kinds of jobs, and people aren't going 185 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.840 to stop wanting cars. So even if you're in a 186 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:48.480 part of your life where you're going to want to 187 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.200 live in one of these again market rate but lower 188 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.320 end sort of houses or apartment buildings and live near 189 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.120 a bus line and riding the bus. You might you're 190 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:59.039 going to want to car. Someday you're going to want 191 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.720 to go into that. It kind of takes away that 192 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:03.600 the whole economic mode of people have of. 193 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.919 Working well, now does market forces are going to work? 194 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.639 Steve good and and you know, at least up until 195 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.279 very very recently, the price of real estate has been 196 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:15.679 going through the roof for a variety of reasons. But 197 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.320 Hyde Park, let's use that as an illustration, because they're 198 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:21.279 kind of waging a nimby sort of challenge of this 199 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.320 coming to Hyde Park is allegedly tear down some historic 200 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.080 homes in order to build these dense housing. But if 201 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:29.120 you're going to be able to live in hyde Park Square, 202 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:32.240 that doesn't necessary. That doesn't mean that the place that 203 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.840 they're building isn't going to be really comparatively outrageously expensive. 204 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.000 That's exactly right. I mean, it's a market intervention that 205 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.720 is just not well thought out. And look, I mean 206 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.159 the big pushback that we're getting, you know, from city Hall, 207 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:52.639 It's like, yeah, this isn't mbyism. I've been told it's classism, racism, 208 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.039 even though you know, so there's this assumption, I guess 209 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.480 that people of color will be buying these I think 210 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.720 that's a false assumption. Our coalition that are opposed, that 211 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:04.720 is opposing this thing is very diverse neighbor because all 212 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.639 over the city people weighing in from you know, a black, 213 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:10.480 white otherwise. And if you're a black person for instance, 214 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.039 who has actually you know, done what everyone's been telling 215 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.960 you for generations to build generational wealth and actually invest 216 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:18.960 in a home and save up the money and get 217 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.519 a down payment and buy a house. This is particularly 218 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:25.600 bad news because you know, you you now are having 219 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:28.440 these things that are going to affect your property values, 220 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:30.799 these apartment buildings built right next to you in your 221 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:34.320 single family area. But you you're absolutely right, there's no 222 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.480 guarantee that they won't be priced up like crazy. And 223 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.519 some of these kind of higher end neighborhoods, I mean, 224 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:45.320 there is a is an attempted market intervention that is 225 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:47.919 just going to empower lower end development that may not 226 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:51.440 end up staying low end. Uh, we don't know. And 227 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.080 it just assumes that nobody will ever aspire to anything 228 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.720 different or better, that they'll be happy to come into 229 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:01.600 these small apartment complexes with cars, ride the bus forever. 230 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:04.600 I mean, that's not how human being exact, not in 231 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:07.360 a capitalistic society such as ours. 232 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.159 Well, And I mean, I obviously agree with that point. 233 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:11.639 If you own a home and they're going to build 234 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.120 a multi unit facility right next to it, your property 235 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.080 is going to deteriorate in value, especially if it doesn't 236 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:19.759 have any parking there. So there's that component. But this 237 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.279 whole idea, if you build it, they will come, is 238 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:25.559 that even a safe assumption. I mean, are you going 239 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:27.600 to move into the city of Cincinnati, for example, you 240 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.799 are going to be paying a high a tax. That's 241 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:32.639 I mean, that's one of the reasons people move out 242 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.799 of the city of Cincinnati. You got that city tax, 243 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.919 which funds a general fund, and you don't have to 244 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.080 pay that if you live in other communities sometimes. 245 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:41.320 I so. 246 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:44.639 I wouldn't think that it's necessarily going to be a 247 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:47.039 draw for the city of Cincinnati just because there's more 248 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:49.360 available housing. And then the second point on that is, 249 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:52.720 how much are they really thinking is going to be built? 250 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.240 How much additional population will they be bringing. How many 251 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:58.600 units do they think are actually going to be completed. 252 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:02.759 Well, they don't know. And I'll tell you the one 253 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:05.519 thing that they do know, and that does bother that 254 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:08.679 bothers us at Charter and bothers me particularly, is that 255 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:11.279 we do know that this area, because it is there 256 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.360 is sort of there is a legit housing crunch. I 257 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.360 think in the city Cincinnati that's real in part from 258 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.960 the reasons you've mentioned. You know, their downtown's doing great, 259 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.320 over the Rhinees doing great. The rest of our neighborhoods, 260 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.639 you know, are struggling on the services aspect. So it's 261 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:28.120 high tax as poor services. I'm sitting here looking at 262 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:30.960 snow out my window here at nan Clifton right now. 263 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.159 And the slowly moving traffic. I mean, these are all 264 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:36.679 the traditional reasons that it's hard to bring people into 265 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:40.000 the city sometimes. But all that being said that we 266 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:43.000 do know that this is a hot market for private equity. 267 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.360 Out of town folks looking to do multifamilies and this 268 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:48.720 truly empowers them. And we know that out of town 269 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.279 landlords tend to be bad landlords. They tend not to 270 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.399 take care of their property and that's exactly what we're 271 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:57.320 concerned about, is a bunch of private equity folks coming 272 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:01.360 in buying up some single family housing heavily into this market. 273 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.919 They don't perform, they pull out, and then we have 274 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:08.000 co enforcement issues empty properties. Or the flip side is 275 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:10.600 you're going to have people rushing into certain neighborhoods where 276 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.799 they're built thinking they're getting a bargain and really ending 277 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.399 up with a kind of lousy product and not being 278 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:19.440 happy with it, or they bid up. I mean, either way, 279 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:23.240 it's a market intervention that is extremely ill conceived. No 280 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:26.320 one knows what's going to happen other than what we've 281 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.799 seen in other cities, which is private equity coming in 282 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.559 on the cheap and picking up properties this way. We 283 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:34.480 have so many other ways we can improve density, including 284 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:36.879 doing what Columbus has done, which is leverage its public 285 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.440 utilities to annex nearby communities. We could do. We could 286 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:43.399 also address the many the thousands of vacant homes that 287 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:45.519 are still hanging around at different parts of the city 288 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:51.159 thanks to the housing bubble from two thousand and eight 289 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.600 two thousand and nine. We could actually go after those 290 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.399 out of town banks that own those properties. And try 291 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.840 to return those to productivities. There are so many other 292 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.679 things we could do rather than screw around with our 293 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:04.759 main historic neighborhoods. The great thing about the cities we 294 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.000 have these historic neighborhoods at Hyde Park, Clifton Price Ll 295 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.840 East Price Hill. They have a distinct character and that's 296 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.559 what drives people there, and messing with that seems like 297 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:15.679 the last thing you'd want to do well. 298 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:17.879 And also, I mean, let's just face it, Steve, it 299 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.639 seems to me if they paid closer attention to maintaining 300 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:25.279 the roads and infrastructure, the communities might be more desirable 301 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:28.600 for folks to want to invest in. I mean, I mean, 302 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:30.399 there's so many roads in the city that are just 303 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.360 it's like from Goz I mentioned all the time in 304 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:35.919 the context, like Sunset my favorite road to pick on. 305 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.440 But that's been a mess for years and years and years. 306 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.559 But if you improve, it's like fixing the broken windows. 307 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.519 Crime goes down in neighborhoods that look like they're being 308 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:46.639 cared for, and there are many neighborhoods that have been 309 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:48.759 completely overlooked and neglected for years. 310 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.080 That's absolutely right. I mean, look, we've got there's a 311 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:58.360 basic services problem. There's a crime component problem here, you know, 312 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.080 and there's also an economic all the problem. I mean, 313 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.559 you know, the city really has got has got to 314 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:05.399 get if they want to grow, they've got to get 315 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:08.399 back into the business. I'm trying to lure jobs here, 316 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:12.360 manufacturing jobs. There's still plenty of commercial land to develop 317 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.279 within the City of Cincinnati. And rather than putting the 318 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.200 energy here into like screwing around with these kind of 319 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.879 you know, attempt at interventions in the housing market, really 320 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.360 to encourage public transit. All the millions of dollars and 321 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.360 thousands of dollars of staff time that have been spent 322 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:31.039 like screwing around with this scheme, I got if that 323 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.600 had been put into some sort of economic, real economic 324 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:35.799 development activity to try to develop some of the areas, 325 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.200 particularly along the Paddock Road corridor in the city, and 326 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.559 actually get some jobs for people, entry level jobs, and 327 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:43.759 to try to bring some manufacturing back in the city, 328 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:47.399 then we'd have something. I mean, then you'd have some density. Uh. 329 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:52.240 But that doesn't seem to be where anybody's attention as well. 330 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:55.679 It's it's it's overthought. It's this bad policy, and the 331 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.679 neighborhoods just don't want it. It's a total failure of 332 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:02.080 civic engagement. People saying across the city, please don't do this, 333 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:04.759 and they did it anyway. It became sort of like 334 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:06.799 a progressive litmus test at city hall. 335 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:10.720 Well, since you're an excellent litigation attorney Porterwright dot com, say, 336 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:15.000 read Steve, any potential for litigation to try to stop this. 337 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:18.839 You know at this point likely not. I mean we've 338 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.960 looked at that, frankly. I mean, there are folks who 339 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.319 were looking at an initiative, a petition drive to put 340 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:28.440 it on the ballot this fall, and I don't know 341 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.359 that that's going to happen. There is there are some 342 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.240 thoughts that people, you know, particularly once this begins in earnest, 343 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.839 that it could trigger a property rights bace challenge. Say 344 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.279 basically like, hey, look, I owned my house, particularly I 345 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:43.759 own my house outright, and you guys are affecting the 346 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:47.359 value here of it. But it's really really hard to 347 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:50.880 sue cities from property loss. I mean, you have to 348 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:54.559 show kind of bad faith and arbitrary capricious acts. So 349 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:56.720 it's a difficult thing to do. But we think, what 350 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.079 really what the practical effect of this is. It's going 351 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.839 to be a very very hot political issue, this wall, 352 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:03.960 and I think you're going to see quite a few 353 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:06.839 candidates coming out trying to repeal it. What's interesting to 354 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:08.759 me is that the city, or at least some of 355 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.079 the council members, have held a town hall over the 356 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.680 weekend and they're turned to they know they've got a problem. 357 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.720 The sponsor of this, you know, Reggie Harris left his 358 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.759 council seat and went to d C ironically to work 359 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:24.000 on housing policy and the Biden administration, so you know 360 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.799 he's no longer going to have to face the political 361 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:28.720 consequences of this. And we know some of the other 362 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:32.440 council members are trying to amend the thing that you know, 363 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:34.720 our group is basically saying, look, it's got to be 364 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:37.279 repealed outright, we need to start all over. We needed 365 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:42.240 a totally different discussion and a more realistic discussion about 366 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.599 what we need to do to grow the city, rather 367 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:47.559 than this sort of scheme to kind of infill it 368 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.839 with the lower end department of buildings with no parking. 369 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.160 That's something just the neighborhoods do not want. 370 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:55.640 Steve Gooden, I cannot thank you enough for explaining this 371 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:59.799 in great detail and easily understandable words for my listening 372 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:01.799 on It's in me. You're good man, Steve, and I 373 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.400 appreciate the time that you offer to my listeners in 374 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:06.279 the morning show. We'll have you on again real soon. 375 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:09.960 You are much too kind, Brian, thank you for paying 376 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:10.880 attention to this issue. 377 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:12.960 Oh, I appreciate your efforts on behalf of all the 378 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:15.599 communities in the city of Cincinnati. It's seven to fifty 379 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:17.359 right now, fifty five car City Talk station. You know, 380 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.000 imaging can be affordable if you go to affordable imaging services, 381 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.160 not the hospital imaging department where you're going to pay, 382 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:25.079 oh maybe thirty five hundred dollars or even more for 383 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:29.519 an echo cardiogram. 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