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Speaker 4: Wondering, in tonight's adventure in the Theater of the mind,
Speaker 4: what shall we be talking about, moving away from the
Speaker 4: typical science topics per se kind of associating this with
Speaker 4: more of an American exceptionalism story. We're going to be
Speaker 4: talking with a great guest, as always, the science and
Speaker 4: mystery of surveillance in our world today. And the question
Speaker 4: that I proposed and posed to the audience is simply this,
Speaker 4: where do we draw the line between public safety and
Speaker 4: government surveillance. And with that in mind, let's hear what
Speaker 4: some people have to say about the topic. We'll be
Speaker 4: talking about pretty much for two hours, the area of
Speaker 4: surveillance and flock cameras. And here's what some people have
Speaker 4: to say.
Speaker 6: This is unconstitutional. Like a lot of other people said,
Speaker 6: I don't need to repeat. Everything that's been said has
Speaker 6: been said very clearly, very loudly. My grammar school English
Speaker 6: teacher taught me a couple of thanks. I never heard
Speaker 6: the word flock before. I do know it now, so
Speaker 6: I'm going to use it in these next couple of sentences.
Speaker 6: Remove the flocking cameras from Melford. Whoever voted for these
Speaker 6: flocking cameras, we will be removing the open flocking off.
Speaker 7: Yes, I can.
Speaker 6: Guarantee you you will be you will be voted out.
Speaker 6: This is unconstitutional, it's unnecessary. And I don't know whose
Speaker 6: flucking idea was to do this, because I didn't hear
Speaker 6: nothing about it.
Speaker 8: And now I got it.
Speaker 3: I got a warning eleven.
Speaker 9: Days after.
Speaker 6: It took my picture. It was a pretty good picture
Speaker 6: of my safe say must you must have spent a
Speaker 6: lot of money on Yeah, So so anyway, it took
Speaker 6: eleven days for it to get to my house, so
Speaker 6: that means I could have.
Speaker 3: Got two tickets a day going to and from work.
Speaker 4: Jeff Dornick, founder and CEO of Pickax, an author and editor.
Speaker 4: Jeff published and co authored Church and State Now the
Speaker 4: Left used the Church to Conquer America and social injustice,
Speaker 4: exposing the false gospel of the social justice movement. His
Speaker 4: forthcoming book, Following the Leader is currently available for pre order.
Speaker 4: His website and we encourage you to check it out
Speaker 4: is Pickax pic kax dot app to learn so much
Speaker 4: more as we'll be finding out about what Jeff Dornick
Speaker 4: is all about. And Dornick is spelled dr Nik. Jeff,
Speaker 4: thank you for being on the Doctor Sky Experience. I
Speaker 4: appreciate your time. I presume that you're on the West Coast,
Speaker 4: is that correct?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm out here in California, so it's a little
Speaker 10: bit earlier out here than for you.
Speaker 4: Well. Absolutely, and it's always a prosing honor to listen
Speaker 4: to people like yourself that bring to bring forth to
Speaker 4: the audience here. So many topics about America and how
Speaker 4: to keep us on the street and not narrow, but
Speaker 4: of course the wide expanse that America has with its
Speaker 4: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Jeff, I got to begin
Speaker 4: with tell us how you got started and what you do,
Speaker 4: and then let's segue to your shows. And again, the
Speaker 4: main topic I think of this particular iteration, as we
Speaker 4: call it an episode, is all about these picks, excuse me,
Speaker 4: all about these flock cameras that we need to know
Speaker 4: so much more about to tell about a little bit
Speaker 4: about yourself. How do you got started?
Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely. So I first got into podcasting actually back
Speaker 10: in probably like twenty seventeen. I started a Christian show
Speaker 10: called just called Conversations with Jeff. I'd sit down and
Speaker 10: I'd interview different pastors and theologians and all that. And
Speaker 10: I had that show for several years, and you know,
Speaker 10: it builds it up, started the Christian podcast Network. And
Speaker 10: then I ended up having a job at an advertising
Speaker 10: agency out of New York, and I was a VP
Speaker 10: of operations. And then COVID hit and they locked everything down,
Speaker 10: and so they let everybody go that wasn't actively working
Speaker 10: on a campaign. And because you know, if you can't
Speaker 10: have an office, how do you have a VP of operations?
Speaker 10: So I ended up getting let go the day after
Speaker 10: my birthday, which is when they locked down the entire
Speaker 10: world pretty much in March of twenty twenty, and so
Speaker 10: that day I was supposed to interview a guy and
Speaker 10: I called him. I was like, I got a cancel
Speaker 10: because I just got lost my job, and he pitched
Speaker 10: me on the idea of starting a political podcast network together,
Speaker 10: which we did and then we built that up was
Speaker 10: quite successful. It was called Freedom First Network. And then
Speaker 10: a couple of years ago I had the opportunity to
Speaker 10: pitch an investor on an idea for a social media platform,
Speaker 10: and the whole idea was building something that was truly
Speaker 10: free speech, because I saw on x what was happening
Speaker 10: with Elon purchasing Twitter and turning into X is they
Speaker 10: have a policy called freedom of speech, but not freedom
Speaker 10: of reach, which means they'll let you say what you want,
Speaker 10: but that doesn't mean that they actually have to let
Speaker 10: anybody see it. So the idea for Pickax was to
Speaker 10: have a free speech social media platform as well as
Speaker 10: one without algorithmic manipulation. And so I pitched it to
Speaker 10: an investor, got it fully funded, started building it out,
Speaker 10: and then we officially launched it here in February, and
Speaker 10: now we're growing by leaps and bounds and just continuing
Speaker 10: to find technological solutions to different problems that we're facing,
Speaker 10: especially in our cards to freedom of speech and freedom
Speaker 10: of reach and expression and all that.
Speaker 4: So amazing, well congratulations on that as we bring you
Speaker 4: to the vast audience here of Talk Radio seventy seven
Speaker 4: WABC around the nation and around the world. But some
Speaker 4: of the interesting topics here, and I think this is important.
Speaker 4: I throw the question out, always a question to the
Speaker 4: audience to hear what they have to say and what
Speaker 4: we call a theater of the mind, and the question
Speaker 4: once again is where do we draw the line between
Speaker 4: public safety and government surveillance? And if I can take
Speaker 4: the moment just to bring this into focus. Flock's automated
Speaker 4: license plate reader cameras are designed to help law enforcement
Speaker 4: identify stolen vehicles and solve crime, but many critics warn
Speaker 4: the technology technology excuse me, can create searchable records of
Speaker 4: people's movements and raise serious questions about privacy, data sharing,
Speaker 4: and government overreach. Tell us more because the LAPD is
Speaker 4: you're going to tell us, recently halted the use of
Speaker 4: Flock cameras and that's a big agency. And I'll jump
Speaker 4: in later with some of my personal experiences in the
Speaker 4: video surveillance world. Believe it or not, Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 4: please continue, Jeff. This is a fascinating story that I'm
Speaker 4: sure affects so many people.
Speaker 3: Or soon will right.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, it's it's really interesting, especially with the
Speaker 10: flock cameras, because I've I've gone, I've talked about this
Speaker 10: on a variety of shows, and and and the way
Speaker 10: the way that especially talking with you know, some some
Speaker 10: people that are in law enforcement as well as well
Speaker 10: as not, it's interesting because you can make the argument
Speaker 10: from both the law enforcement perspective, which oftentimes is we're
Speaker 10: trying to keep people safe. We're trying to track the
Speaker 10: bad guys. You know, if there's a guy that steals
Speaker 10: a car, we can immediately you know, hop on there
Speaker 10: using the flot cameras and track it down. And then
Speaker 10: there's the other people that are obviously concerned about the
Speaker 10: constitutional rights and privacy rights and the mass surveillance and
Speaker 10: all that. So really the way the way to understand
Speaker 10: what's going on with with the plot cameras is, you know,
Speaker 10: it's it's basically like security cameras that are on steroids
Speaker 10: that are tied in with artificial intelligence, and so if
Speaker 10: you're contracted let's say, let's say with the city, then
Speaker 10: oftentimes they would have like a police you know, the
Speaker 10: police department would have access to it. So if if
Speaker 10: there's an identify, if there's identifying markers for a particular vehicle,
Speaker 10: the police would be able to type in, you know,
Speaker 10: where we're looking for a white truck with a with
Speaker 10: a dent on the on the back of the truck
Speaker 10: with this license plate, and they can use artificial intelligence
Speaker 10: in order to basically scan all the flock cameras and
Speaker 10: be able to pinpoint either where it is or see
Speaker 10: the route that it actually took. And so, you know,
Speaker 10: from from that standpoint, you can see the immediate benefit
Speaker 10: to law enforcement on you know, a quick quicker turnaround
Speaker 10: time on trucking somebody down, being able to actually investigate
Speaker 10: see where somebody actually went and all that. On the
Speaker 10: flip side, you start dealing with your right to peaceably assembly,
Speaker 10: You start dealing with your privacy rights and freedom of
Speaker 10: movement and all of that, where you could really see
Speaker 10: the potential harm and abuse of these flock cameras, And
Speaker 10: I always use the example imagine, if you know, because
Speaker 10: I live out here in California where we had the
Speaker 10: crazy lockdown with under Gavin Usom. Imagine if Gavin Newsom
Speaker 10: had the ability of using these flot cameras during COVID
Speaker 10: where you know, they would have been able to know
Speaker 10: immediately who was going, where were you, you know, because
Speaker 10: there was a period of time where you weren't even
Speaker 10: allowed to go out on the freeway after a certain
Speaker 10: after a certain time at night unless you were specifically
Speaker 10: going somewhere that was approved. Like imagine, if you had
Speaker 10: the flat cameras, they would know exactly where you went.
Speaker 10: That would deal with the contact tracing, they would deal
Speaker 10: with our you breaking the lawn, going to church on Sunday,
Speaker 10: they would know who went where, who was associated with who.
Speaker 10: It would have been just mass tyranny and far worse
Speaker 10: than we even experienced.
Speaker 4: Jeff Dornick is our special guest the Jeff Dornick Show.
Speaker 4: He's speaking with you and the whole nation and around
Speaker 4: the world on a subject that I feel is very
Speaker 4: important to this audience. The question of course, where do
Speaker 4: we draw the line or you legis and gentlemen, meaning
Speaker 4: public safety and government surveillance. And what you've just said,
Speaker 4: Jeff is very interesting. It should trip off a nerve
Speaker 4: in the body to say, wow, enough is enough. But
Speaker 4: let let us talk about this subject from both sides
Speaker 4: of the equation, the science and mystery of surveillance in
Speaker 4: our world today. Yes, you can get in on the
Speaker 4: conversation and the theater of the mind one eight hundred
Speaker 4: eight four eight nine two two two to feel what
Speaker 4: everybody out there feels should be and with controls as
Speaker 4: many people want or cat the complete abolition of these
Speaker 4: type of cameras. I find it fascinating. Just a little
Speaker 4: side story for you and the audience. They may not
Speaker 4: know this. Many many years ago, over fifteen, I represented
Speaker 4: a company and I'm honest that was in the video
Speaker 4: surveillance world for in custody chain of custody law enforcement.
Speaker 4: In other words, in the patrol car, they had a
Speaker 4: data recorder that went into the area where the radio was.
Speaker 4: For those of you that are fans of the Ford
Speaker 4: police vehicles of days gone by, this was known as
Speaker 4: the P seventy one platform from Ford, simply known as
Speaker 4: a police car, and in that particular case, Jeff, and
Speaker 4: to everybody listening, there was a video surveillance camera when
Speaker 4: an officer would do a traffic stop. He also had
Speaker 4: an audio type of device, well before the before these
Speaker 4: new Exxon cameras that are now out there. The problematic
Speaker 4: thing was one day and I was sitting in a
Speaker 4: meeting with entire staff, maybe one hundred people. Somebody came
Speaker 4: in Jeff with a presentation and I was kind of shocked.
Speaker 4: And this really got me to think. I had a
Speaker 4: question my own sanitay in doing this. What was it?
Speaker 4: License plate reader cameras. The guy got up at the
Speaker 4: podium and said, we now have the technology to go
Speaker 4: through any shopping mall and scan every single license plate.
Speaker 4: We can find out who might have a warrant, who
Speaker 4: has unpaid traffic tickets. And it kind of bothered me.
Speaker 4: And again I'm not being melodramatic. It fits very well
Speaker 4: to what we're talking about.
Speaker 10: Correct, Yeah, no, absolutely, you know, and and you know
Speaker 10: there's there's you know, there's schools that are contracting with
Speaker 10: the plot cameras, there's churches that are that are that
Speaker 10: are contracting with and there's h o ways in addition
Speaker 10: to the cities and the police and the police departments
Speaker 10: and all that. And and again it's like when you
Speaker 10: when you when you think about it from a school
Speaker 10: security stam point, if you have access to these blot
Speaker 10: cameras and you can identify license plates, and you can
Speaker 10: identify cars and all that, you get the immediate benefit
Speaker 10: of that. And I would argue that that's probably a
Speaker 10: pretty good application of it to where if a kid
Speaker 10: goes missing, then you would immediately know, okay, well we
Speaker 10: know that the last place that that they got in
Speaker 10: was this vehicle, and then you can actually track the
Speaker 10: car down and all that. So on one hand, again
Speaker 10: you see the benefit of that, but also when you
Speaker 10: when you also think about it, like you explained, there
Speaker 10: is a vast invasion of privacy. And again we have
Speaker 10: to we have to preface this by saying that in general,
Speaker 10: you could argue this technology is going to be used
Speaker 10: for good. You got to you know, hunt down the
Speaker 10: bad guys, who's got who's going to warrant out, But
Speaker 10: there's also been instances where flot cameras have been used
Speaker 10: and abuse, and you can also see the potential for
Speaker 10: a much more tyrannical application of it. You know, just
Speaker 10: think about what's happening in China with a social crest
Speaker 10: that scores. You saw what happen with the with the
Speaker 10: COVID lockdowns and all the security they were doing over
Speaker 10: there in China, Like you know, the Chinese that infiltrated
Speaker 10: a lot of different aspects of the United States government,
Speaker 10: of our society out here. So when you think about it,
Speaker 10: the technology is in place for that kind of a
Speaker 10: surveillance state that we have to be very cautious about that.
Speaker 10: We don't, you know, fast track it to that point.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting. I'm not a biblical scholar by
Speaker 4: any means, and I'm sure you can help us as
Speaker 4: we navigate through time and space here. But if you
Speaker 4: look at flock, I've done a little research in the Bible,
Speaker 4: and there's so many chapters in the Bible in which
Speaker 4: flock is defined and it comes down to this, and
Speaker 4: this was a summation human helplessness, naivete dependence in large
Speaker 4: crowds or groups. So I got to ask you this,
Speaker 4: what does in your opinion the flock term? Is it
Speaker 4: named after an individual or what's the namesake behind the
Speaker 4: name plock? Does it have any significant meaning other than
Speaker 4: the way it sounds.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I think that it's it's it's really interesting
Speaker 10: because because it depends on how on how conspiratorial, uh
Speaker 10: people want to get on that one. But it's interesting
Speaker 10: because because because the very very obviously the very definition
Speaker 10: of it is is that group mentality of I think
Speaker 10: I think really what they were trying to convey was
Speaker 10: this idea that we've got these this group of cameras
Speaker 10: and you know, all tied together with with artificial intelligence
Speaker 10: to where you know, they're all working in conjunction with
Speaker 10: each other, just like a flock of birds or what
Speaker 10: or whatever it is. I think that the you know,
Speaker 10: when when you start getting into more of the of
Speaker 10: the conspiratorial standpoint, you know, like you know, it reminds
Speaker 10: me of you know, the you know, when you start
Speaker 10: dealing with the demonic entities that you that you know,
Speaker 10: Jesus would confront or the Apostles would confront, and you know,
Speaker 10: whether whether it was like Legion and there was these
Speaker 10: hosts of of demonic entities and beings, and yet I
Speaker 10: don't want to convey this idea that this is for
Speaker 10: sure like a demonic type of thing, but exactly reminiscent.
Speaker 10: It's very it's very reminiscent of that. And what's really
Speaker 10: the other really interesting thing is that I've been diving
Speaker 10: a lot more into the worldview behind you know, Silicon
Speaker 10: Valley and technology, and there's a lot of that kind
Speaker 10: of symbolism hidden within a lot of the names and
Speaker 10: a lot of the logos amongst a lot of the
Speaker 10: Silicon Valley you know, tech companies, and and it's been
Speaker 10: interesting because there's been a lot of articles. And actually
Speaker 10: talked to a reporter for Rolling Stone several months ago
Speaker 10: about this about this story, which was that, you know,
Speaker 10: they were saying that there's a Christian revival happening within
Speaker 10: Silicon Valley. But the more that I researched it, the
Speaker 10: more that I looked into it, it wasn't as much
Speaker 10: of a Christian revival as a Gnostic revival. So they
Speaker 10: were actually believing in the Gnostic Gospels, which are contradictory
Speaker 10: to what we find in the whole in the Holy Scriptures.
Speaker 10: And so, you know, it's it's really interesting because when
Speaker 10: when you look at the world view behind the Gnostic Gospels,
Speaker 10: it very much is in line with Silicon Valley, which
Speaker 10: is the search for hidden and you discovering all of
Speaker 10: these things, So it fits in with that kind of mentality,
Speaker 10: if that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Well, Nor to Jeff and I, ladies and gentlemen, obviously
Speaker 4: not just saying that for safety reasons, wanted to disparage
Speaker 4: any company out there. I don't know the people of
Speaker 4: that clock safety. All we want to do, and we're
Speaker 4: certainly not apologizing for this, is to bring out a
Speaker 4: conversation what I think is even bigger than any company,
Speaker 4: right Jeff, about what's happening if you look at the
Speaker 4: whole collective in the entire world. Where is this planet?
Speaker 4: And particularly since we're talking here with mostly from America
Speaker 4: and Canada and North America, precisely what's going to happen
Speaker 4: to us if we just are asleep at the wheel
Speaker 4: or asleep at the switch. Very interesting conversation here. But
Speaker 4: help us out on this. Is there any way without
Speaker 4: putting you in a bad position? How do people actually
Speaker 4: find out where the flock cameras are in their neighborhood?
Speaker 4: Is this publicly identified as it continues to grow? I mean,
Speaker 4: how do people even know where they are? Help us
Speaker 4: on that?
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, yeah, there's different resources in different tracking webs
Speaker 10: sites that are out there.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 10: I don't have the direct URLs off the top of
Speaker 10: my head. I can I can pull them up here
Speaker 10: here in a little bit. But I do know that
Speaker 10: there's different, that there's different there's different sites that are
Speaker 10: out there that that are very easy to find, that
Speaker 10: that will actually let you know where flock cameras are
Speaker 10: in and in which cities are contracting with with the
Speaker 10: flock cameras as well, and the same The thing that
Speaker 10: I always, uh, you know, encourage people is to take
Speaker 10: a look at your local city and in local local
Speaker 10: county and see if if your local police department or
Speaker 10: city has actually you know, contracted with them. And then
Speaker 10: go around and and see do you feel safer or
Speaker 10: do you feel like this is kind of like an
Speaker 10: invasion of privacy? Do you do you feel like you're
Speaker 10: always being watched? And then what you should do is
Speaker 10: you should actually go speak to your city council because
Speaker 10: they're more than likely the ones that approved the contract
Speaker 10: or you know, went along with it, and then actually
Speaker 10: share your concerns with them. And you know, the reality
Speaker 10: of it is is that it doesn't take that many
Speaker 10: people to share their concerns about these things. Before they
Speaker 10: realize like, Okay, this represents a larger group of people.
Speaker 10: Maybe we need to take this a little bit more
Speaker 10: seriously and then maybe your concerns can be heard about it.
Speaker 4: Jeff, people are coming into our theater of the mind,
Speaker 4: as we like to say it, because we're not watching
Speaker 4: this on video, and people are coming in right now
Speaker 4: four eight nine to two two expressing their concerns. And
Speaker 4: to start off our conversation, we welcome online too, Matt
Speaker 4: in the Bronx. You're on with Jeff Dornick. Thank you
Speaker 4: for coming into our theater of the mind.
Speaker 11: How are you, yes, good morning.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 12: With regards to government surveillance, you mentioned China and the
Speaker 12: social credit system that's been enabled by five G technology
Speaker 12: and companies like Huawei. But in the United States, unfortunately,
Speaker 12: there's a very sordid history of illegal government surveillance and
Speaker 12: harassment by law enforcement agencies dating well well before the
Speaker 12: civil rights era. If you remember, the FBI had cointell
Speaker 12: pro where it was actually actively following in trapping civil
Speaker 12: rights activists on the left in various other figures across
Speaker 12: the political spectrum. And again, ninety percent of the people
Speaker 12: that were being targeted were not criminals. That's been very
Speaker 12: important to remember. These are people at his Yeah, these
Speaker 12: are simply people that had political views though outside the mainstream.
Speaker 12: But again, you know, they were not involved in criminal activity.
Speaker 12: They were targeted specifically because of their political police, which
Speaker 12: is perfectly protected activity under the First Amendment. But you know,
Speaker 12: again their Fourth Amendment rights were completely violated by the
Speaker 12: FBI and other intelligence and police agencies in the country.
Speaker 12: And there's every reason to believe that these things are
Speaker 12: still going on with regard to political targets of government
Speaker 12: surveillance and illegal government harassment campaigns by law enforcement agencies.
Speaker 12: That you had an example in the January sixth defendants.
Speaker 12: You know, again a post release after present. In many
Speaker 12: cases they've you know, they reported that you know, they've
Speaker 12: been targeted for harassment, being followed by police, have the
Speaker 12: lines tapped. So you know, again you know this this
Speaker 12: is a very much a very active uh uh.
Speaker 4: Problem that Yeah, I want to jump in with our
Speaker 4: guests here and obviously have him have an opportunity. You
Speaker 4: bring up some very interesting points. So the pod thing
Speaker 4: I get from your conversation, and it's very much appreciated.
Speaker 4: Surveillance ain't something new it's been going on right or
Speaker 4: wrong for such a long time, but that's obvious. Jeff Darnet,
Speaker 4: your response to what Matt's talking about, he gave us
Speaker 4: some very interesting insight.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, he brings up a lot a lot of
Speaker 10: phenomenal points and it's and it's all very real, obviously.
Speaker 10: And I think that the problem that we're dealing with
Speaker 10: today with you know, technology like the flot cameras and
Speaker 10: artificial intelligence, and there's a lot of other technologies that
Speaker 10: are being implemented specifically for surveillance, is that it's making
Speaker 10: it so m much easier, more difficult to trace, but
Speaker 10: also more difficult to hold somebody accountable. And this this
Speaker 10: is the thing that that I that I always bring up,
Speaker 10: and this is always my concern and I've talked to people,
Speaker 10: you know, close to the administration about about some of
Speaker 10: these concerns. And it's really interesting because when you think
Speaker 10: about the Trump administration right now is fast tracking artificial intelligence.
Speaker 10: They're centralizing a lot of the databases across across the
Speaker 10: different agencies. And what's interesting is you could make the
Speaker 10: argument that that this, you know, is for efficiency, and
Speaker 10: you can see the benefit of you know, centralizing it,
Speaker 10: but it's also setting it up for two very serious problems.
Speaker 10: Is that you know, by having one centralized database, you're
Speaker 10: opening yourself up to more information if somebody was able
Speaker 10: to hack it. So that's that's concerned number one. But
Speaker 10: then concern number two is how much information, how and
Speaker 10: how much power, how much power that artificial intelligence can have,
Speaker 10: whether it's over surveillance, whether it's over biometric data, whether
Speaker 10: whether it's in regards to personal profiles. And you can
Speaker 10: make the argument that you know, the administration that they're
Speaker 10: not going to use it, they're not going to have
Speaker 10: used it, if you know, depending on which side of
Speaker 10: the aisle you find yourself on. But let's say, but
Speaker 10: let's say the other side takes power, then all of
Speaker 10: a sudden, it only takes one bad apple and one
Speaker 10: bad actor or one you know, leader that makes the
Speaker 10: decision of the surveillance state. And now we have the
Speaker 10: infrastructure in place to take everything that that the caller
Speaker 10: was talking about in regards to surveillance and then putting
Speaker 10: it one hundredfold more powerful with the power of artificial intelligence,
Speaker 10: because we've built out this infrastructure right now, and you know,
Speaker 10: and the question is is that if AI, you know,
Speaker 10: violates your rights, or any of these technologies violates your rights,
Speaker 10: who do you hold accountable? Because it was a robot.
Speaker 10: It was an AI that actually committed it, not a
Speaker 10: human being. And I think that those are the checks
Speaker 10: and balances that are founding fathers put in there, is
Speaker 10: that there is always accountability if somebody violates your rights,
Speaker 10: But if it's a robot, you can't. You're not going
Speaker 10: to throw an AI in prison. So what do you do?
Speaker 4: It's getting very complicated, but I want to thank Matt
Speaker 4: and le Bronx bringing some insightful commentary just what we
Speaker 4: like here and what we call the theater of the
Speaker 4: mind where people talking what I consider common sense obviously
Speaker 4: dialogue and important. Don't you think, Jeff, that critical thinking
Speaker 4: I think should simply be taught more in schools and
Speaker 4: maybe even in the adult schools, because again I'm no
Speaker 4: expert on anything, and certainly not a perfect species as
Speaker 4: a human, but critical thinking is so much that I
Speaker 4: think is in dire need. And what would you say
Speaker 4: about the whole concept of the need for critical thinking?
Speaker 10: Tell us, well, I think I think it's extremely extremely important.
Speaker 10: I think, and I think that the problem that we're
Speaker 10: dealing with now in this new era of artificial intelligence,
Speaker 10: is that will taking away the children children's ability to
Speaker 10: actually critically think because of how information is so readily available.
Speaker 10: And it's really interesting because you know, I'm a parent
Speaker 10: have a four year old kid, and which what we
Speaker 10: really try to do is not give him screen time,
Speaker 10: don't let him watch television. We don't. He doesn't have
Speaker 10: access to an iPad or you know, anything along those lines.
Speaker 10: And a lot of it, and a lot of it
Speaker 10: is because so if you sit down and you read
Speaker 10: a book to a kid, right, you read a story
Speaker 10: to them, So there might be pictures on the page,
Speaker 10: and you're telling them the story, but they have to
Speaker 10: imagine what those characters are doing. They have to act
Speaker 10: it out in their mind. If you're reading what a
Speaker 10: character is saying, they're having to imagine what does that
Speaker 10: character sound like? They imagine what are the sense what
Speaker 10: are the smells, what are the feelings. Their brain is
Speaker 10: going to critical thinking and analyzing and filling in the
Speaker 10: gaps of the words that you're speaking us to the story.
Speaker 10: That is all developing their critical thinking. But if you
Speaker 10: stick a kid in front of a television and have
Speaker 10: them watch a movie. You see them race, just veg
Speaker 10: out and because what the movie is doing is taking
Speaker 10: away that critical thinking and instead it's feeding you all
Speaker 10: those senses and do where all you have to do
Speaker 10: is just sit there and absorb. That's the exact same
Speaker 10: thing that's happening to all of us right now with
Speaker 10: artificial intents diligence, is that people no longer have to
Speaker 10: sit there and process and think. They no longer have
Speaker 10: to remember where they are in the city to drive,
Speaker 10: because they've got the maps. They tell you exactly where
Speaker 10: you're supposed to go, and they give you the instruction,
Speaker 10: so your brain is on autopilot. The same thing is
Speaker 10: now happening when it comes to critical thinking. When people
Speaker 10: do research, what do they do? They just ask chatgipt
Speaker 10: exactly chatchpt gives them the answer.
Speaker 4: The lot of kids, you think, right, a lot of
Speaker 4: kids do their term papers or what have you. Teachers
Speaker 4: are somewhat smart about that, but the AI initiative makes
Speaker 4: it even more difficult. Jeff, it's amazing The Jeff Dornick Show.
Speaker 4: He's our guest for the two hours talking that we've
Speaker 4: only gotten warmed up here folks. So if you're on
Speaker 4: the line like Greg and Michigan, Joaquin in Pennsylvania, we
Speaker 4: will get to you. And for everybody else, there's plenty
Speaker 4: of seats in what we call our theater of the
Speaker 4: mind discussing a topic. The question we throw out there
Speaker 4: and we don't throw it, but we send it out
Speaker 4: in the powerful signal of talk radio seventy seven WABC.
Speaker 4: Where do we draw the line between public safety and governments?
Speaker 4: Are one of the many topics that we're talking about here.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the flock cameras flock safety, not to
Speaker 4: disparage the company at all, just to give us education.
Speaker 4: And it is separate very quickly, Jeff, from the regular
Speaker 4: photo quote radar type surveillance where people get a ticket.
Speaker 4: This is something very different, correct, exactly right.
Speaker 10: Right, it's it's it's very different I think because because
Speaker 10: you're incorporating the AI component to it, and and you know,
Speaker 10: it's one thing to okay, you're driving by, maybe you're
Speaker 10: going too fast, you run a red light and there's
Speaker 10: a trigger, it takes a picture. Then basically that's going
Speaker 10: to then go in the analyzer. They're going to see
Speaker 10: what the license plate is. They look up the license
Speaker 10: plate and then they send you your ticket. That's a
Speaker 10: very different that's a very different thing than a police
Speaker 10: officer able to basically just type into a computer I'm
Speaker 10: looking for this kind of a car, and then you
Speaker 10: can immediately track it down and see the exact path
Speaker 10: that it took throughout the city. That's a very different
Speaker 10: form of surveillance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, time and space rules is you know, as a
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Speaker 4: Forty four minutes after the hour, we return to our
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Speaker 4: the universe on our Saturday Sunday Morning program. But now
Speaker 4: we're speaking with Jeff Dornick the Jeff Dornick Show, speaking
Speaker 4: about and trying to get an answer to a question
Speaker 4: that I'm sure many people have out there, where do
Speaker 4: we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance.
Speaker 4: He's with us to the entire two hours. We continue
Speaker 4: here when the Doctor Sky experience those that have been
Speaker 4: coming into the theater of the mind. Let's say, good
Speaker 4: morning online one to Greg in Michigan. Greg, you're on
Speaker 4: with Jeff Dornic.
Speaker 7: How you doing good evening, gentlemen, mister positive boom shaka Laca.
Speaker 7: I got to tell you, Doctor Sky, that was a
Speaker 7: fantastic intro. Oh my god, I love it. You've got
Speaker 7: quite a few conundrums here. You talk about critical thinking.
Speaker 7: Critical thinking, I believe is predicated upon the amount of
Speaker 7: knowledge that you have. Two common sense is something that
Speaker 7: most should not want because when you solve us a problem,
Speaker 7: how would Einstein solve a problem as opposed to someone
Speaker 7: with one hundred IQ. See, that's a conundrum that I've
Speaker 7: wrestled with with a lot of people. A lot of
Speaker 7: people say you don't have any common sense, and I
Speaker 7: like to turn to them and go, yes, I'm glad
Speaker 7: that I don't.
Speaker 4: Well, Greg, it might have been interesting with Einstein that
Speaker 4: it might have been the same kind of a maybe
Speaker 4: overuse in the same parallel lines. Critical thinking to him
Speaker 4: might have been thought experiments. And that's a subject that's
Speaker 4: extremely like that. We don't know how people do thought
Speaker 4: EXPERI mens, at least I don't do them in my
Speaker 4: spare time. But in relating to what we're talking about,
Speaker 4: do you have a question or comment to our guest,
Speaker 4: because I just definitely I think you have brought up
Speaker 4: something about critical thinking. Anything else would like to say,
Speaker 4: I'd like to get Jeff involved.
Speaker 7: A right, Jeff, is a right God given? Or is
Speaker 7: it socio political construct?
Speaker 10: So so I would agree with the founding fathers that
Speaker 10: that right, that rights are God given and uh and
Speaker 10: and it's interesting because the whole that's that's really the
Speaker 10: premise of this entire you know, country, this American experiment,
Speaker 10: is this idea that every single person, man, woman and
Speaker 10: child has created in the image of God and have
Speaker 10: certain inalienable rights that are God given, that cannot be
Speaker 10: taken away by by the government, and that the government
Speaker 10: doesn't give us the rights, but the government. But the government,
Speaker 10: you know, defends the rights and acknowledges the rights. And
Speaker 10: I think that that's that's you know, without that ms,
Speaker 10: then our rights don't actually mean anything because it's all
Speaker 10: a social construct that could easily be taken away by
Speaker 10: by the government. But if they but if it doesn't
Speaker 10: come from the government, it comes from God, then they
Speaker 10: are truly in fact inalienable.
Speaker 4: You got an opportunity, Gregg for a final comment.
Speaker 7: Is it the Christian God that you're talking about or
Speaker 7: is it the five thousand other gods that you're talking about?
Speaker 7: Which rights are to us by which God? Right?
Speaker 10: Well, you know, and and that's and that's the thing.
Speaker 10: So the the idea of what the founding fathers believed
Speaker 10: was in the one, the one supreme God, and they
Speaker 10: that they believed, you know, what was coming out of
Speaker 10: out of the Bible. And that's where that's where that's
Speaker 10: where the rights flowed out from. That's also where where
Speaker 10: it was it was inspired from. But that but that's
Speaker 10: also you know that that's changed and morphed over over
Speaker 10: the years. When when it comes to the secularization of
Speaker 10: our society, especially when you're dealing with like freedom of religion.
Speaker 10: I would say that our rights are rooted in a
Speaker 10: Christian belief system, but that doesn't necessarily mean that that
Speaker 10: our current application today obviously reflects that.
Speaker 4: Thank you Greg and Michigan. Always insightful commentary as we
Speaker 4: spark our minds in the theater of the mind. Patiently
Speaker 4: waiting on line three, Joaquin in Pennsylvania. You're on with
Speaker 4: Jeff Dornett.
Speaker 10: You doing good evening, Doctor Scott. Good evening, Jeff.
Speaker 15: I'm sorry, I'm chuckling a little bit at the last caller,
Speaker 15: and the only comment I'm going to make to that
Speaker 15: what he was saying is the only rights that you
Speaker 15: actually have are the ones that you can defend by force.
Speaker 15: If you cannot defend them by force, unfortunately someone else
Speaker 15: will take them away. From the history of the world
Speaker 15: as those who conquer and those who are conquered. And
Speaker 15: I actually off topic, I do want to make one
Speaker 15: comment about you know, the moon and space. Who controls
Speaker 15: the high ground controls the battlefield.
Speaker 4: Absolutely right. That's why Space Force President Donald John Trump
Speaker 4: of course initiating something quite unusual the space force as
Speaker 4: we go to the higher ground. You're so right, Joaquin,
Speaker 4: And also what you're talking about about. You have to
Speaker 4: defend this particular subject that you're talking about, or if
Speaker 4: you don't know what rights you have, many smarter people
Speaker 4: than me have said you'll never know what rights you lose.
Speaker 4: That's interesting what Joaquin is saying, Jeff, because later I'd
Speaker 4: like to get into a conversation with you. And this
Speaker 4: is interesting. It's not a civics one oh one class
Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, but there is a distinct difference between
Speaker 4: freedom and liberty. And I think if what Joaquin and Jeff,
Speaker 4: if more people understood the difference, we won't go through
Speaker 4: it right now. But Jeff, your response to what Joaquin's.
Speaker 10: Talking about, Yeah, well, you know, it's it's interesting, you know,
Speaker 10: even even thinking about like what's going on with with
Speaker 10: with space force and the moon and like all that.
Speaker 10: It's interesting how now we're heading back into obviously back
Speaker 10: into exploration. It's interesting that the Trump and gustration, you know,
Speaker 10: has made such a big deal out of that, and
Speaker 10: then you hear guys like Elon Musk to t to
Speaker 10: tie it back into artificial intelligence, where he's actually predicting
Speaker 10: probably within the next decade or so that instead of
Speaker 10: the A the AI data centers being scattered around the country,
Speaker 10: that he's like, the best place would be would be
Speaker 10: to stick it on the back side of the moon
Speaker 10: for you know, cooling purposes, for you know, all of that.
Speaker 10: And they just set up set up the data centers
Speaker 10: all the way up there. So it's it's interesting, how
Speaker 10: you know, we're we're now looking into you know, a
Speaker 10: lot more you know, like outer space type solutions to
Speaker 10: a lot of the issues that we're facing today.
Speaker 4: Very interesting. Well, can't always insightful. Appreciate you being part
Speaker 4: of our program line too. Let's go to Georgie. I
Speaker 4: believe in New Jersey. You've been patient. Good morning, you're
Speaker 4: on with Jeff Darnick. How are you doing.
Speaker 16: Hi, doctor Sky, This is Joe Joji.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. I'm reading off the screen here and
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 16: They did no problem.
Speaker 10: I have a question for Jeff.
Speaker 16: But it was the reason there was a reason an
Speaker 16: audicle on flot safety concerning five police officers that were
Speaker 16: abusing the license plate readers. And we're not using it
Speaker 16: the way it's supposed to be used, and I wanted
Speaker 16: to find out what's the difference between FLOT safety and
Speaker 16: act on corporations license plate readers.
Speaker 4: Do you know that interesting?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know specifically. I do
Speaker 10: know talking about the the abuse that we've seen, you know,
Speaker 10: I know that there's been multiple reports of of a
Speaker 10: of a wide variety of abuses like there there there
Speaker 10: was one there was one police officer that was actually
Speaker 10: looking up as an ex girlfriends or ex wife's you know,
Speaker 10: license plate and see where she's going and things along
Speaker 10: those lines. So I know in this this I think
Speaker 10: is the thing that we're that we're really going to
Speaker 10: have to, you know, consider as we introduce more technologies
Speaker 10: like this, are what what are going to be the
Speaker 10: safeguards that are going to be put in place in
Speaker 10: order to ensure that that they aren't able to be abused,
Speaker 10: or if they are being abused, that we're able to
Speaker 10: track and make sure that we that we documented and
Speaker 10: know exactly who's doing what, when and where. So there's
Speaker 10: definitely some safeguard that we're definitely going to have to
Speaker 10: start figuring out how to put into place. But I
Speaker 10: think the hard part with all of this is that
Speaker 10: the technology is advancing so quickly that I don't think
Speaker 10: that we're necessarily thinking through a lot of those safeguards
Speaker 10: at the same rate that we're thinking about the development
Speaker 10: of it.
Speaker 4: You're right. And to add some incident to the story
Speaker 4: that we're talking about, I'm just reading this a Kansas
Speaker 4: police chief who used flock safety license plate readers to
Speaker 4: track his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend's vehicle two
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty eight times over more than four months,
Speaker 4: and used his police vehicle to follow them. And Bonner Springs, Kansas,
Speaker 4: a detective used flock license plate readers to stalk his
Speaker 4: wife without going through a long litany of individuals, again
Speaker 4: not naming them by name. It's amazing how any of
Speaker 4: these technologies can get out of hand. And that is
Speaker 4: the main reason that we have you here, Jeff, talking
Speaker 4: about is the main opening. The big question is about
Speaker 4: this abuse that could happen with technology. Where do we
Speaker 4: draw the line between public safety and government surveillance? And
Speaker 4: out here in Arizona, where I'm broadcasting from, there is
Speaker 4: a tremendous and I'm sure you know so much more
Speaker 4: about it, growth industry, not only for the photo cameras,
Speaker 4: for the speeding incidents where they mail you something, and
Speaker 4: also these flock cameras that are out there, I mean,
Speaker 4: in quick summation. There's obviously some good use for those cameras,
Speaker 4: I'm sure. But when we come back, we've got a
Speaker 4: few minutes before this next break, I'd like to get
Speaker 4: into a definitive study and then after I read something,
Speaker 4: I don't like to really read to the audience, but
Speaker 4: with your expertise, I think we need to go through
Speaker 4: the whole line here of the difference between freedom and liberty,
Speaker 4: because if people don't understand that, how can you be
Speaker 4: a fighter in this whole purpose. So that's a very
Speaker 4: interesting story, and let's not forget ladies and gentlemen. This
Speaker 4: is not the only subject that Jeff is going to
Speaker 4: bring to us. The whole concept of AI data centers.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's incredible, Jeff. All these data centers out
Speaker 4: there are being built, massive use of water, massive use
Speaker 4: of electricity, and I think Elon does have it right,
Speaker 4: wouldn't you say, insummation? Building these and putting them out
Speaker 4: and outer space might necessarily be the answer instead of depleting.
Speaker 4: But then again the problem is why do we need
Speaker 4: all these data centers, and with that in mind, we're
Speaker 4: going to take our next break. We see the calls
Speaker 4: coming in line four. We see Alexi and Queens, we
Speaker 4: see Anthony and Long Island on line three, and ladies
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Speaker 4: The founding fathers never said safer at any cost, but
Speaker 4: liberty at all costs many people's estimation. And I'm sure
Speaker 4: our special guests Jeff Dornick would agree. Constitutional safeguards and
Speaker 4: the Constitution needs to restraint that is technology forty eight
Speaker 4: minutes after the hour, we continue as we move to
Speaker 4: the top and finish in completion of our one let's
Speaker 4: go to line number four. Alexian queens, you've been patient.
Speaker 4: You're on with Jeff Dornick. How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 11: Yes, goodies and gentlemen and mister done. Could eating feel
Speaker 11: to this discussion? People say, oh, I have rights, I
Speaker 11: have protections in law. Yeah, you have to build a
Speaker 11: rights constitution as state law and so on so on.
Speaker 11: In absolute reality, this is just simply inc applied to
Speaker 11: paper because of the fact that, indeed, with the inception
Speaker 11: of AI, those rights are basically deteriorating. And remember one
Speaker 11: thing about AI. Do you think someone is going to
Speaker 11: spend five billion dollars to build an AI center and
Speaker 11: not realize one to realize the profit three times as
Speaker 11: much in future? Sure they want they want to. They
Speaker 11: take any simple basic conversation with AI, be it true
Speaker 11: Alexa in your home or something in your car or
Speaker 11: at the computer terminal, all your speech, the rate of
Speaker 11: speed speech, the use of vocabulary, and all this. These
Speaker 11: are salable commodities. AI assemblances in various forms and it
Speaker 11: is presented to a buyer for some reason, this is
Speaker 11: a money making operation which is severing most of the
Speaker 11: commonly perceived right to people. The worst the worst of
Speaker 11: it is It's Supreme Court exists that people have the
Speaker 11: we have a right of privacy, yet we lose that
Speaker 11: right completely and they've asserted this in public places. But
Speaker 11: I ask you, gentlemen, what constitutes a public place? Nobody
Speaker 11: is clear on that, and you understand where I'm going
Speaker 11: with it, right, and.
Speaker 4: People do have We see a lot of First Amendment
Speaker 4: people out there with video cameras, you know, exercising what
Speaker 4: they claim is a public space where they can videotape
Speaker 4: and a lot of there's so many videos on the web.
Speaker 4: But Jeff, Alexi brings up some interesting things. And I
Speaker 4: want to set the stage. Alexei, if you don't mind
Speaker 4: mentioning you come from an unidentified communist country, don't have
Speaker 4: to tell us. And I appreciate your stories because you do.
Speaker 4: You talk about the need for freedom. You've done just that, Jeff.
Speaker 4: Your response, I mean, Alexi brings up some points that
Speaker 4: we're going to get into in deeper context.
Speaker 17: Right.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, they're they're all they're all great points.
Speaker 10: And I think that when I would take this step
Speaker 10: further in that I would agree that right now, what's
Speaker 10: what's behind a lot of the development of artificial intelligence
Speaker 10: is is money. And they're selling out, they're selling a
Speaker 10: lot of data, they're they're set, they're getting government contracts
Speaker 10: or doing all these kinds of things. But ultimately, when
Speaker 10: you listen to guys like like Elon Musk and Bill
Speaker 10: Gates and Sam Altman and a lot of the a
Speaker 10: lot of the guys that are behind uh this technology,
Speaker 10: what they're predicting for the future has very little to
Speaker 10: nothing to do with money, because what they're actually predicting
Speaker 10: is that there may not even be money at all,
Speaker 10: because there'll be no more need for that. What they're
Speaker 10: actually pitching, and Elon talked about this on his last
Speaker 10: appearance on Joe Rogan podcast, was the idea that that
Speaker 10: the end game of artificial intelligence and you know and
Speaker 10: robots like his Optimist robots and things along those lines,
Speaker 10: the in game is a communist utopia of sorts where
Speaker 10: we know we don't have to work, we're all equal
Speaker 10: AI and robots will basically you know, the function is
Speaker 10: doing being all the labor force do everything human beings
Speaker 10: do not work. Have we either have a universal basic
Speaker 10: income of sorts or we will or we will, you know, basically,
Speaker 10: just have access to anything and everything that we need,
Speaker 10: because they claim that there will be a surplus of resources.
Speaker 10: But the question then becomes who's in charge. It's going
Speaker 10: to be the people behind the AI and the optim
Speaker 10: and the and the robots in general, not even just optimism,
Speaker 10: but just in general the human Well, I.
Speaker 4: Don't want a universal basic income where what, as you
Speaker 4: say eloquently, dividends and payouts from tech companies. They're not
Speaker 4: my boss, right and they're not yours, and we don't
Speaker 4: want that to be. I mean, what would we do
Speaker 4: all day? We just sit there and languish. You know,
Speaker 4: you'll you'll be happy. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.
Speaker 4: I think it was a claud Schwab comment alone time ago,
Speaker 4: so obviously people need to pay attention. LEXI thank you
Speaker 4: always for insightful commentary on the theater with the Mind.
Speaker 4: But briefly, my own interpretation of this, and it's so
Speaker 4: it's mine, is so limited because it's such an expansive term. Liberty,
Speaker 4: individual rights and limitations of government. If you lose your liberty,
Speaker 4: but freedom it's more like the self determination and happiness
Speaker 4: and your own interests. But I've just scratched the surface
Speaker 4: before the hour runs out, give a share definition of
Speaker 4: both freedom and liberty, because if people don't know the difference,
Speaker 4: you're going to become an enslavement tool in this horrible,
Speaker 4: you know, dystopian world that seems to be promulgated every
Speaker 4: single day.
Speaker 10: God bless us, all right, Jeff, Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 10: interesting dealing with the difference between freedom and liberty, and
Speaker 10: you know, it can be nuance and a lot of crossover,
Speaker 10: but specifically it's like freedom, you know, I would I
Speaker 10: would say that it's it's a more broad, broader, you
Speaker 10: know definition where it's you know, the general idea of
Speaker 10: like you, you are free to do basically whatever you want,
Speaker 10: make whatever you whatever, you whatever decision you want to
Speaker 10: make without coercion. Liberty is often that freedom, but it's
Speaker 10: there is the freedom to make your own decisions and
Speaker 10: be individual and be sovereign. But also you can't violate
Speaker 10: the freedoms and the liberties of somebody else, So those
Speaker 10: limitations and guardrails are put in place where there's that
Speaker 10: mutual respect of each other's liberties as well.
Speaker 4: Very interesting and well said. Jeff Dornick is our guest,
Speaker 4: the Jeff Dornichoe give us the website and I want
Speaker 4: to talk. We only have a few more minutes before
Speaker 4: top of hour. But your app that you have here pickax,
Speaker 4: this is interesting. We haven't spent enough time on what
Speaker 4: it really is. No algorithm and that's an interesting concept,
Speaker 4: but just tell us what it is in summation and
Speaker 4: how do people get into this because it's another place
Speaker 4: to share ideas without the restrictions that many do have.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so it's a social media platform very similar like
Speaker 10: what you would see with X and Facebook and all that.
Speaker 10: We've got some pretty cool features that are unique to
Speaker 10: us and all that. But but for us, the real, the
Speaker 10: real goal and the real mission behind it is to
Speaker 10: finally have a social media that's actually social against So
Speaker 10: like when you're when you're on a lot of these
Speaker 10: other platforms that are algorithm driven, they're becoming very topic
Speaker 10: based and theme based, and so it you know, the
Speaker 10: kind of content that's showing up in your news speed
Speaker 10: has very little to do with who you follow, but
Speaker 10: more to do with the types of types of you know,
Speaker 10: content that you would engage with or you're interested in.
Speaker 10: And you know that's why when you're on Facebook, you
Speaker 10: want to see pictures of your grandma or your or
Speaker 10: your cousin or your grandkids or something like that, and
Speaker 10: half of the posts or you know, from people that
Speaker 10: you don't even follow. So what we're trying to do
Speaker 10: is actually, how do we actually connect people to people
Speaker 10: where we don't get in between you and somebody who
Speaker 10: follows you, or you and somebody that you follow, where
Speaker 10: we respect that connection. We actually want to foster that
Speaker 10: human to human connection. So we we we've got to
Speaker 10: write a ways that we weed out bots, which is
Speaker 10: a major problem on social media platforms, and we we've
Speaker 10: got a verification system to where you know that you're
Speaker 10: actually talking to a real human being over there. So
Speaker 10: it's a very different experience, and it ends up being
Speaker 10: a lot more positive because you're not dealing with all
Speaker 10: the anonymous bots and farms they get in there and
Speaker 10: try to stir us all up, and then the algorithms
Speaker 10: that pit us against each other. You're actually talking to
Speaker 10: other human beings, and it's actually a quite positive experience
Speaker 10: when you actually are talking to another human How.
Speaker 4: Do people go there. I mean just tell us so people,
Speaker 4: I'm sure by the droves may want to go there
Speaker 4: and actually say, hey, I'm fed up with some of
Speaker 4: these other social media platforms. They're right to change. How
Speaker 4: do they get to you? What's the way?
Speaker 10: Definitely the best place, obviously is to download the app.
Speaker 10: You can either do that in the Google Play Store
Speaker 10: or in the iOS app store. For Apple it's Pickax
Speaker 10: p I c K A X, so there's no E.
Speaker 10: Or you guys can go over to Pickax dot com.
Speaker 10: We've got the web version that's very mobile friendly over
Speaker 10: there as well, but you can either do on the
Speaker 10: website or you can download the app in the app stores.
Speaker 4: It's very good. And before the hour is extinguished at
Speaker 4: hour number two, I want to say people like online three,
Speaker 4: like Anthony and Long Island, Mike on Line one in
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania and Robert Line two in Philadelphia, please stay with
Speaker 4: us until hour number two. We try our very best
Speaker 4: to get as many people on to share their ideas.
Speaker 4: But what I usually do, Jeff at this particular part,
Speaker 4: since the show was founded on what the great mysteries
Speaker 4: of the universe are, I wanted to bring into perspective
Speaker 4: because we have many fans that tell us they like
Speaker 4: that part of the show, and that's this great events
Speaker 4: that are happening in our heavens right now. This is
Speaker 4: the week of one of the best meteor showers of
Speaker 4: the entire year, folks. And I say this with a
Speaker 4: little bit of a grain of salt, because every time
Speaker 4: I do this for so many years, people get angry
Speaker 4: and they send me emails saying, oh, you told us
Speaker 4: they'll be this big meteor thing. The Perseags are one
Speaker 4: of the best. They peak on the night of the
Speaker 4: twelfth into the thirteenth and into the morning from the
Speaker 4: night of the thirteenth into the fourteenth. Look in the
Speaker 4: northeastern part of the sky in a dark location. And
Speaker 4: we're lucky because what we have, Jeff, is a dark
Speaker 4: location because the moon is officially at its new phase.
Speaker 4: But lucky people on the other side of the Earth,
Speaker 4: and particularly in area is like southern Greenland, little too
Speaker 4: cold for me, but the heat of Phoenix is Obstrepperous
Speaker 4: areas of Iceland will get to see a total solar eclipse,
Speaker 4: and areas of Spain actually get to see about two
Speaker 4: minutes and ten seconds of one of nature's most amazing sights,
Speaker 4: So why am saying that the moon is officially new
Speaker 4: at one thirty seven pm Eastern day lifetime for the
Speaker 4: East coast, of course, where the moon is not visible
Speaker 4: is a requirement for seeing a total solar eclipse, so
Speaker 4: will not have another one of these until August two
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty seven, And that eclipse, by many is
Speaker 4: one of the longest total solar eclipses in maybe a
Speaker 4: few hundred years. And people in Egypt, in the area
Speaker 4: of luxor the Valley of the Gods, the great Egyptian cultures, pyramids,
Speaker 4: and so many mysteries, will see what Jeff over six
Speaker 4: and a half minutes of totality, which may seem small,
Speaker 4: but it's one of the great gifts of the nature
Speaker 4: of the universe, seeing the day turn into darkness. It's
Speaker 4: actually started wars, it's actually stop wars. But on a
Speaker 4: positive note, this week's a good week to see meteors
Speaker 4: in the sky and also for those lucky enough to
Speaker 4: travel to eclipses that I think is a lot. But Jeff,
Speaker 4: so we get back on track. What I'd like to
Speaker 4: continue with you on is flock cameras, your discussion from
Speaker 4: your website and from your app talking more about AI.
Speaker 4: This is something interesting and you can bring some revelations
Speaker 4: to the table more with our special guest Jeff Dornick
Speaker 4: of the Just Dornik Show. Here on the Doctor Sky Experience.
Speaker 4: We call it a theater of the mind. We'll be
Speaker 4: right back.
Speaker 2: The Doctor Sky Experience entertaining and informative.
Speaker 3: On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
Speaker 10: Training a large language model specifically geared towards you or
Speaker 10: an AI specifically towards you. But the language and the
Speaker 10: terms of service, you know, made it to where you know,
Speaker 10: they could look that very very quickly and then just
Speaker 10: begin training artificial intelligence in general.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 10: Another example of this would be Amazon is partnering with
Speaker 10: Twitch right now to be able to analyze in real
Speaker 10: time livestream you know content, video content, and then it
Speaker 10: would be training Amazon's you know, are official intelligence to
Speaker 10: be able to simulate you know, live streaming. They say,
Speaker 10: they say, to help to enhance it, but really the
Speaker 10: end result of it really could be that you could
Speaker 10: legitimately have an AI generated quote unquote human that's live
Speaker 10: streaming that isn't actually humanist, just a facade of an
Speaker 10: AI robot. So you know, there's a lot of craziness.
Speaker 10: That's that's going on out there in regards to the
Speaker 10: data collection, and we haven't even touched the surface of
Speaker 10: all the different ways that they can monetize that.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Mike and Pennsylvania break bringing up some good ROI,
Speaker 4: how do you pay for this, who's going to get
Speaker 4: the money from it? And what are they doing if
Speaker 4: you're just joining us on the Doctor Sky Experience. Jeff
Speaker 4: Dornick The Jeff Dornick Show. He is, of course, the
Speaker 4: host of that show and founder of the n CEO
Speaker 4: of Pickaxe, the groundbreaking social media platform built on two
Speaker 4: uncompromising principles excuse me, freedom of speech and freedom of reach.
Speaker 4: Now we go on with the callers of the Theater
Speaker 4: of the Mind. Robert. It's interesting to have you line
Speaker 4: number two, Robert and Philadelphia with Jeff.
Speaker 17: All right, Hi, Doctor Skuy, as always great show and
Speaker 17: I really appreciate your guest, mister Dornick. Real quick. You
Speaker 17: had mentioned a difference between freedom and liberty, and I
Speaker 17: think freedom is more a sense of independence. For instance,
Speaker 17: we got our freedom from Great Britain. A liberty is
Speaker 17: your rights within that freedom framework. So the difference is
Speaker 17: I'm sorry, freedom is macro liberty is micro. But the
Speaker 17: thrust of my call was a difference between two other words,
Speaker 17: one word being surveillance and the other word being controlled.
Speaker 17: Now I'm used to the fact that I live in
Speaker 17: an over surveilled society. Despite my libertarian leanings, I'm kind
Speaker 17: of okay with it because I think that it's a
Speaker 17: good prevention for crime to have general surveillance in public
Speaker 17: areas and things like that. They were actually able to
Speaker 17: video show man Joni going from his house to the
Speaker 17: Mercy that day through satellite and cracker technology that we
Speaker 17: already have. I googled a picture. I googled my address
Speaker 17: on Google Earth, and it showed me a picture of
Speaker 17: me getting out of my car, And that's bringing me out.
Speaker 17: My point is we're already surveiled enough, and what they're
Speaker 17: doing now with these flock cameras sounds like control to me.
Speaker 17: The people who run Flock Safety are it's privately owned,
Speaker 17: private investors. They're not subject to Floyer requests. But we're
Speaker 17: going to be subject to the possible infringement of our
Speaker 17: rights because of this. So I'm asking what could be done?
Speaker 17: Is this, Like, I mean, if you say that we
Speaker 17: just go to our local board. That doesn't mean a
Speaker 17: lot to me because they're just going to do whatever
Speaker 17: the people behind them tell them to do. How could
Speaker 17: we stop this as far as legislation on a federal
Speaker 17: level or something like that, because until AI contains clear
Speaker 17: instructions on human freedoms and rights, I'm not trusting it. So,
Speaker 17: mister Dornick, what could we do in order to either
Speaker 17: stop or put unassailable guardrails on it? Because it's kind
Speaker 17: of to me.
Speaker 4: You bring up some good points, but before Jeff answers,
Speaker 4: I want to give one simple concept out there and
Speaker 4: both of you can expound on it. Jeff, first, the
Speaker 4: Constitution simply needs to restrain tech. But that's a broad
Speaker 4: based statement and without the oop or the energy behind it.
Speaker 4: Jeff Dornick, that's interesting what Robert's talking about. I find fascinating.
Speaker 4: Tell us more.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, no, it is. And it's one of those
Speaker 10: things that I've been exploring a lot. It's like, what's
Speaker 10: the what's the solution to this? Because on one hand,
Speaker 10: you know, we live in a free society, or we
Speaker 10: want we want business to innovate and we want technology
Speaker 10: to innovate, but we also want to make sure that
Speaker 10: our constitutional rights are being preserved. I think that I
Speaker 10: think that it's it's interesting because if you're looking at
Speaker 10: things from the federal level, I don't see the incentive
Speaker 10: for our representatives and our senators to actually pass legislation
Speaker 10: to actually restrict anything, even though they should. But they're
Speaker 10: all kind of beholden with this big surveillance, big tech,
Speaker 10: big big military operation going on right now. So when
Speaker 10: you look at it from that perspective, I think that
Speaker 10: we are far more likely to actually see results on
Speaker 10: a local level than we would ever get results on
Speaker 10: a federal level. I think. I think that also where
Speaker 10: we have to look at where the contract's being signed
Speaker 10: right now, for the flat cameras, it's being signed primarily
Speaker 10: on the local city level. Your your city council. You
Speaker 10: have a lot more direct access to your city council
Speaker 10: than you than you do the House representatives or the Senate.
Speaker 10: So what I so, what I would say is that
Speaker 10: you can push back against this. You can make your
Speaker 10: voice heard, you can send letters, you can make phone calls,
Speaker 10: you can organize with a lot of other people to
Speaker 10: do the same thing, to show up to city, city
Speaker 10: council meetings, county board of Supervisors or meetings. You know,
Speaker 10: there's already multiple cities where where the residents have have
Speaker 10: done that and they've they've been able to get the
Speaker 10: city council to agree to take down, uh to to
Speaker 10: sever that contract with the flat cameras. And you know,
Speaker 10: the same thing happened in a wide variety of other things,
Speaker 10: including what was going on in in you know, in
Speaker 10: the midst of COVID I lived in. I live in
Speaker 10: Orange County, California, where where the Orange County Board of Supervisors,
Speaker 10: which were it's a very traditionally red part of California,
Speaker 10: they were the first, they were the first county to
Speaker 10: actually suggest doing a vaccine passport, uh, you know, in
Speaker 10: our in our county, and literally the people of Orange
Speaker 10: County showed up and where it was a line out
Speaker 10: the door in order to speak, and it shut the
Speaker 10: entire thing down. So we do have a voice, and
Speaker 10: I think we have a much stronger voice on a
Speaker 10: local level than we do on a national level.
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting, Robert. One thing I want to mention
Speaker 4: here in the conversation maybe to give some hope to
Speaker 4: this on the local level. Don't give them, folks, municipal
Speaker 4: surveillance ordinances that are voted in by and I'm using
Speaker 4: to say it twice, qualified voters by qualified voters. Robert,
Speaker 4: you get the last word on this. Thanks for being
Speaker 4: part of the show.
Speaker 5: Continue please, Oh, no problem, man. It's really fascinating and
Speaker 5: I have some things to read about. But all I
Speaker 5: want to say, it's like people who went along with
Speaker 5: the Weimer Republic socialists registration of their guns because they
Speaker 5: thought they were doing the right thing, later had them
Speaker 5: confiscated when Nazis took over. And I know that we
Speaker 5: have at least half of the political machine in this
Speaker 5: country that would love to have this kind of power
Speaker 5: over us. And if we fall, the people at the
Speaker 5: World Economics Form would love to have this, and I
Speaker 5: suspect they're behind it, and that's part of the reason
Speaker 5: why I don't trust you. But I'd love taking in
Speaker 5: around with you. Thank you very much, you guys, you
Speaker 5: have a great weekend.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, thank you Robert, always insightful bringing good points
Speaker 4: to the theater of the mind too. Let's continue as
Speaker 4: we go to the bottom of the hour in about
Speaker 4: seven or eight minutes. Line number four, Johnny in New Jersey,
Speaker 4: You've been patient you're on with Jeff Dornick. How you
Speaker 4: doing this morning? Johnny's gone, we go, we go to
Speaker 4: line number four. Nick in Virginia, Good morning to you,
Speaker 4: Thanks for your patience. How you doing.
Speaker 18: It's good morning, Doctor Sky and Jeff. I love your show,
Speaker 18: Doctor Scott got a listen every week, my pleasure.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 18: Well, gentlemen, I live in data centerland and it's not
Speaker 18: part of the New Disney theme park. It's Northern Virginia.
Speaker 18: We have we have six center over six center data
Speaker 18: centers here and growing. We store seventy percent of the
Speaker 18: world's data here at Northern Virginia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what's your electric bill every month?
Speaker 11: Actually?
Speaker 18: Funny, well, it is going up because of the beginning
Speaker 18: at a lot of these data centers, they're putting in
Speaker 18: their own nuclear power plants.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 18: And uh so they're they're trying to create their own
Speaker 18: energy because it's going to take so much. Now, there
Speaker 18: was a question about, uh, who's making money on this.
Speaker 18: There's a lot of money to be made because they're
Speaker 18: buying up two million dollar homes tearing them down to
Speaker 18: build these data centers and uh and it's just incredible
Speaker 18: what's going on here. And I want to say, I
Speaker 18: have a question about it. Why does Google and the
Speaker 18: other search engines they want every little minutia about me
Speaker 18: my emails, my sext messages, my wakles and that's you know.
Speaker 18: And I've asked it people about this and and I
Speaker 18: also asked them what happens when we die? Where does
Speaker 18: this data go? And I was told that it goes
Speaker 18: to the wayback machine. Now I started laughing because I
Speaker 18: remember that was call yeah, and it's actual term. It's
Speaker 18: a technical term, okay, and it's it's getting all, you know,
Speaker 18: emails from way way back. And actually one guy came
Speaker 18: one day because I I'm exposed a lot of ID people,
Speaker 18: and he told me that Hillary Clinton's emails could be
Speaker 18: easily found by the way Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Not to cut you off, Nick, I have something
Speaker 4: that I think is interesting. Maybe they could pull that
Speaker 4: information of all the people that are not alive on
Speaker 4: the voter rolls so we don't have dead people voting
Speaker 4: and count it as a ballot in the whole ELYNC system.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's a benefit to some of it. But that's
Speaker 4: a tiny, tiny little one, don't you think, Nick?
Speaker 18: There you go, yeah, amen, And but you know, I
Speaker 18: think where they're going with this, really, and I'm seeing
Speaker 18: it here. I don't know if it's anywhere else in
Speaker 18: the country, but a lot of supermarkets now here are
Speaker 18: doing the shopping for you.
Speaker 10: You you burter.
Speaker 18: Online and they've shopped for you, and then you take
Speaker 18: it out, they bring it and they're going to shut
Speaker 18: the supermarket. It's done so you can't get in. You're
Speaker 18: going to order everything off your phone right now. I
Speaker 18: was I was my insurance company. I'm on Medicare. They're
Speaker 18: trying to cut costs and they're doing video. Uh, you know,
Speaker 18: taking your blood pressure and everything. It's going to be
Speaker 18: where you're gonna be Uh had your.
Speaker 5: Yearly?
Speaker 18: Uh? One of my tryings, did your you know, any visit?
Speaker 18: Did you go to a doctor? Is going to be
Speaker 18: on a on a on a camera And then.
Speaker 4: I got it. I hate to cut you short, but
Speaker 4: I gotta say no, no, no, don't be sorry, very
Speaker 4: impacting to the whole audience. If you want to talk
Speaker 4: about how words have meaning. Apparently this is very verifiable,
Speaker 4: and Jeff can tell us more. I'm sure Social Security
Speaker 4: that name is now called by the government Federal Benefit Payment.
Speaker 4: Where do you think the money came from we worked
Speaker 4: for it, So there's a whole iteration. Not to get
Speaker 4: you short, nig, but we've only got a few minutes
Speaker 4: for Jeff's response before the heartbreak. But thank you for
Speaker 4: the kind comments about the program. I'm glad you're in
Speaker 4: our lead with the mind. Always great to listen to
Speaker 4: people that have some interesting, common sense kind of conversation points. Jeff,
Speaker 4: go ahead, please.
Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely. Well, you know, it's it's it's really interesting
Speaker 10: how again with with with technology, it's like we're fast
Speaker 10: tracking everything and you know, like you were saying in
Speaker 10: regards to like the medical industry and how and how
Speaker 10: medicare is is is now you know, pushing a lot
Speaker 10: of this you know technology. One of one of the
Speaker 10: crazy things too, is with with a lot of our
Speaker 10: medical data that's all been very centralized into databases and
Speaker 10: and access to a lot of that kind of information
Speaker 10: as well. And they sell it on the idea of
Speaker 10: convenience for doctors to be able to, you know, access
Speaker 10: information with this. You you grant access to this doctor,
Speaker 10: they can access it and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: But also then the question then becomes like, you know,
Speaker 10: are they able to use this for train artificial intelligence
Speaker 10: or large language models. Because if you if you listen
Speaker 10: to guys like you know, like Elon Musk that are
Speaker 10: developing a lot of this you know, AI technology and
Speaker 10: large language models, Like they're talking about a future where
Speaker 10: you know, forget the telehealth where you're doing where you're
Speaker 10: just getting online and that you're talking to a doctor,
Speaker 10: but like you're actually gonna it's all gonna be run
Speaker 10: by AI. Like surgery they're predicting is going to be
Speaker 10: an AI robot. You know, like everything everything is going
Speaker 10: to be run by technology and uh, but the way
Speaker 10: that they get there is with our data. So so
Speaker 10: a lot of times what ends up happening is we
Speaker 10: are training the very the very robots and artificial intelligence
Speaker 10: that is going to ultimately be replacing us in the workforce.
Speaker 4: It's amazing as if somebody said, way up the food chain.
Speaker 4: As we talk about people like Klaus Schwab, one of
Speaker 4: these futurists and all and the whole thing of the
Speaker 4: global world, many people have said it like this, you
Speaker 4: will own nothing and you will be happy. God help
Speaker 4: us if that what ever happens, Jeth as we come
Speaker 4: up to the break, continuing with your phone calls, ladies
Speaker 4: and gentlemen all around the nation, around the world, and
Speaker 4: we'll continue after this particular break, the heartbreak. At the
Speaker 4: bottom of the hour, we have online five David in
Speaker 4: Staten Island Line one, Bob and Riverhead two. We got
Speaker 4: Lamar and Georgia and you why not join us at
Speaker 4: one eight hundred eight four eight nine two two two
Speaker 4: as we talk about the great mysteries and in this case,
Speaker 4: the science and mystery of surveillance in our world today
Speaker 4: and what you might be able to do about it.
Speaker 4: Where do we draw the line between public safety and
Speaker 4: government surveillance. We'll be back.
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Speaker 19: Cross the boundary into the unknown, where gravity bends, the
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Speaker 4: We're moving through time and space with you, the listener
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Speaker 4: Blowtarch Talk Radio seventy seven u ABC our special guest
Speaker 4: Jeff Dornick of The Jeff Dornick Show. He's also the
Speaker 4: CEO and founder of Pickaxe, the groundbreaking social media platform
Speaker 4: built on two uncompromising principles, freedom of speech and freedom
Speaker 4: of reach. Thanks for being with us, Jeff. We continue
Speaker 4: with the callers. They've been patient. Let's go to line
Speaker 4: five and David, good morning. You're in Staten Island.
Speaker 20: How are you this morning, Doctor Sky and Company. I
Speaker 20: like to make one savement, if I might. I may
Speaker 20: have been starting inventing since I was out of diapers.
Speaker 20: It's a long story. I have very unusual genealogy. I
Speaker 20: just found out after my mother died recently. I came,
Speaker 20: of course, a phrase many years ago of a floating mind.
Speaker 20: In other words, if you're gifted, you could wander your
Speaker 20: thoughts like you're almost blaying. Well, you're picking up the
Speaker 20: information out of nowhere. Albert, I sign you the phrase
Speaker 20: thought experiments. I think the difference is that Albert Einstein
Speaker 20: could focus on one subject at a time. A floding
Speaker 20: mine jumps around as always looking for something. Many years
Speaker 20: ago and I lost a lot when she died. Notes
Speaker 20: and drawings less at the house where I was living
Speaker 20: with my mother's for sixty years. She pushed me to
Speaker 20: make a promise to stay whe Her answer, my two
Speaker 20: sisters got married because she was afraid to be alone.
Speaker 20: What came out of it was I went through the
Speaker 20: notes and drawings as for a thought in my mind said,
Speaker 20: don't do it. Build the crawd A while back. You
Speaker 20: hung up on me. I'm not saying anything rude that
Speaker 20: you would be about a flying source of potential. My
Speaker 20: mother had a round dish looks like a flying sauce.
Speaker 20: If you have imagination two handles you could put Jadeo's in.
Speaker 20: It would spin around, up and then fall down the cray.
Speaker 20: If somebody out sat in Island, I think it is
Speaker 20: has my stuff. I had a high hundred possible notes
Speaker 20: and drawings, and those notes.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think we lost David there for a moment.
Speaker 4: But let me say this. The subject that we'd like
Speaker 4: to talk about with our special guest is a little different. So, David,
Speaker 4: if you're still listening, give us a call on our
Speaker 4: next show, because we're going to go back to the
Speaker 4: realms of space and the whole conversation of upology. I'm
Speaker 4: sure your story is amazing, but would like to stay
Speaker 4: on measure line number one. We go to Bob in Riverhead.
Speaker 4: Your patients is appreciated. How are you sir?
Speaker 10: Hello gentlemen.
Speaker 11: Well, the first statement I would have is these people
Speaker 11: that are government employees that are claiming the Fifth Amendment.
Speaker 11: You know, they're on a taxpayer's salary, and while they're
Speaker 11: working for us, they should be answerable to the people
Speaker 11: I pay their salary. So I don't know why they
Speaker 11: get away with its amendment, but I called because on
Speaker 11: AI research, it's been shown that they're not delivered, that
Speaker 11: there's an understanding of how AI intelligence actually works, what's
Speaker 11: in the AI mind, so to speak. And since AI
Speaker 11: can't be directly endowed with an intrinsic desire to help humans,
Speaker 11: it seems probable that what will emerge as a set
Speaker 11: of parameters that align with, you know, the AI accomplishing
Speaker 11: its goals rather than human flourishing. And I'm just wondering,
Speaker 11: you know, if there's common in that, because if you
Speaker 11: look at species, you know, mankind may not have it
Speaker 11: in for a certain particular species, but yet it will
Speaker 11: destroy its habitat because it wants to use the land.
Speaker 11: So that's a kind of simply to like AI and humanity.
Speaker 11: It may not have it in for us directly, but
Speaker 11: it looks like is efficient on accomplishing its goals.
Speaker 4: No, I hear you very it's very insightful what you're
Speaker 4: bringing up here, Jeff. Let's get you in the conversation
Speaker 4: on this, because you are our guru right now on
Speaker 4: this whole AI conundrum. Good bad or indifferent? What site?
Speaker 4: This is interesting what.
Speaker 10: Bob brought up It really isn't. And it's interesting because
Speaker 10: there's there's been many instances where where the AI goes
Speaker 10: into self preservation mode. And so there's been instances where
Speaker 10: the the AI has been instructed to delete its history
Speaker 10: or to or where there's been an attempt to like
Speaker 10: completely shut it down, and it'll figure out how to
Speaker 10: move to a different server or something along those lines.
Speaker 10: And so there's there's definitely a self preservation uh thing
Speaker 10: in there. And I don't necessarily know how to how
Speaker 10: to describe it because again you're talking about a computer program,
Speaker 10: but also there there is some kind of element of
Speaker 10: self preservation. So you know, I think when we're looking
Speaker 10: at this into the future, I think we have we
Speaker 10: have to take that into consideration. I think that the
Speaker 10: other the other component where I think we we the
Speaker 10: AI really go has the potential to go rogue, is
Speaker 10: once it's merged with quantum computing. And I think that
Speaker 10: that's why, you know, President Trump recent recently signed an
Speaker 10: executive order dealing with quantum computing, and actually from a
Speaker 10: security standpoint of, you know, we have to develop a
Speaker 10: you know, anti quantum you know, protocols and things along
Speaker 10: those lines. But the real race for artificial intelligence is
Speaker 10: in relation to quantum computing because it will take the
Speaker 10: computation power you know, so much more powerful. And realistically,
Speaker 10: whoever reaches it first, whether it's China or the United States,
Speaker 10: really wins the race indefinitely, because I don't know how
Speaker 10: you catch up to somebody else who gets a head
Speaker 10: start on that much of a drastic increase in computation power.
Speaker 10: So when when quantum computing combines with artificial intelligence, that's
Speaker 10: truly when things become less controlled by us in human
Speaker 10: programmers and more where it becomes self learning instantaneously faster
Speaker 10: than we can even keep up. That's when you start
Speaker 10: talking about you know, terminator scenarios.
Speaker 4: No, you brought up a good point and we should
Speaker 4: do a show on this. I've got a couple of
Speaker 4: go to people that are liked it, and they'll disrespect
Speaker 4: to you, sir. Now we're going to talk about the
Speaker 4: physics of quantum computing because it uses something called superposition.
Speaker 4: And if you're wondering what the heck that is, and
Speaker 4: you're going, wow, this is early and now we get
Speaker 4: a physics lesson. The truth of the matter is it's
Speaker 4: as if a particle could be in two places at
Speaker 4: one time. And that again when it relates to quantum physics,
Speaker 4: when we're using zeros and ones. As people know who
Speaker 4: they're experts in computers, we would now use something in
Speaker 4: the quantum realm that has what as you've mentioned, Jeff,
Speaker 4: exponentially being able to do computations. Even with our fastest
Speaker 4: computers that we have now they would be considered what
Speaker 4: an obsolete source. So the future lies in all these
Speaker 4: very amazing technologies. But in your frame of reference, where
Speaker 4: are the controls on stuff like this? This is important.
Speaker 4: Let's continue on and thank you very much, Bob and
Speaker 4: Riverhead great points line number four, Robert in the Hudson Valley.
Speaker 4: You've been patient. You're on with Jeff Dornick, how you doing.
Speaker 18: Thanks very much.
Speaker 21: I'm an avid eclips chaser and I just wanted to
Speaker 21: be a little bit of a recce or earlier, the
Speaker 21: idea of the Wayback Machine was mentioned. That's for those
Speaker 21: that are not familiar. That's a not for profit in
Speaker 21: San Francisco that periodically scans websites on the Internet and
Speaker 21: take screenshots. Not continuous, that would be an impossible task,
Speaker 21: but for people that are interested, you can sometimes go
Speaker 21: back maybe fifteen twenty years and look what was happening.
Speaker 11: It's basically a sample.
Speaker 10: It's not a complete.
Speaker 21: Record, but for those that are interested, and it's pretty positive.
Speaker 21: And I enjoy the rest of your program and just
Speaker 21: wanted to give you that resource.
Speaker 4: Hit no, thank you. Just tell us again how people
Speaker 4: can get that, because I don't think it can.
Speaker 21: Well, it's Wayback Machine. We are not for profit in
Speaker 21: San Francisco, and it's you can use it for historical
Speaker 21: research and frankly I've used it for litigation to catch
Speaker 21: people and what they said years ago which did rather
Speaker 21: not repeat.
Speaker 11: Thanks very much.
Speaker 15: I really enjoy yourself.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you for the kindness. But more important, our
Speaker 4: special guests, Jeff, you want to comment on this, because see,
Speaker 4: we learned so much by the people in the chairs
Speaker 4: coming up to the microphone. As I like to call
Speaker 4: it a theater of the mind. What say you? That
Speaker 4: was interesting what we're hearing from Robert.
Speaker 10: Yeah, on my it was kind of breaking up a
Speaker 10: little bit, and so I didn't catch the full context
Speaker 10: to really be able to respond on that one.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, totally underested, but it is powerful stuff. Line number three,
Speaker 4: we welcompete in New Jersey. You've been patient. How are
Speaker 4: you doing this morning? Thanks for being part of our show.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so calling to Greg Jarard for Texas and Louisiana
Speaker 11: of areparent crazy anthem? That's why you pugged the fifth?
Speaker 4: Okay, so there's not an end to the story of
Speaker 4: doctor Fauci then, right, I mean something might happen, or
Speaker 4: could happen, or in some people's minds, should happen from
Speaker 4: taking the fifth one hundred and eleven times. That's powerful stuff.
Speaker 4: Jeff a comment if you want. I mean, that's a
Speaker 4: little out of our realm per se, But maybe not
Speaker 4: because how can you get away with taking the fifth
Speaker 4: one hundred and eleven times? Or is that you're right
Speaker 4: under the Constitution as it simply states, I gather in
Speaker 4: the Fifth Amendment, right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, you know, and I think that there's a
Speaker 10: couple of different angles that I think, you know, guys
Speaker 10: like Rand Paul and and I think Senator Johnson and
Speaker 10: some of these guys are actually proposing, which is that
Speaker 10: you know, number one, uh, he's he's he was already
Speaker 10: you know, pardoned by by Biden. So so it's like,
Speaker 10: can you actually plead the fifth if you're if you
Speaker 10: are pardoned for for the you know, alleged crimes on
Speaker 10: the On the other on the other side, is that
Speaker 10: you were you know, you're here to testify about your
Speaker 10: work as a government official. And I think that there
Speaker 10: there's a legitimate question as to whether you know, there
Speaker 10: there should be Fifth Amendment, uh, you know, for protections
Speaker 10: for somebody who has to answer for their behavior as
Speaker 10: a public public official. So I think there's two different
Speaker 10: angles that they can explore on this. But even even
Speaker 10: from like a technological standpoint, it's it's interesting looking at
Speaker 10: like what they were doing with like gain of function research,
Speaker 10: specifically with what you know Fauci was really focusing on,
Speaker 10: because there's there's there's a lot of different components, especially
Speaker 10: in gain of function, where they are dealing with technology
Speaker 10: and they are dealing with AI and the biotech world
Speaker 10: and all that kind of stuff, to where there is
Speaker 10: this kind of merging together between you know, bio human
Speaker 10: biology and technology and how that can be incorporated into bioweapons.
Speaker 10: So they're even even talking about AI you know, ties
Speaker 10: back to Anthony Fauci to a certain degree as well.
Speaker 4: Amazing stuff. Yeah, the great callers that we get here,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's where we always say this, and we're
Speaker 4: not really restrictive. We just like to have the conversation
Speaker 4: just if we can, just to ask kindly stay on
Speaker 4: measure with the subject and when we go back to
Speaker 4: our realm from the obvious side of the space and
Speaker 4: the wonders of the universe. Obviously we can't tell people
Speaker 4: what to do, but we do love all the callers
Speaker 4: that come into this particular show. Very interesting. So give
Speaker 4: it out your website again so people can learn from
Speaker 4: the Pickax because this is fascinating and I'm sure many
Speaker 4: many people are going there tired of the old routines
Speaker 4: where the surveillance and the cancelations and the censorship are there.
Speaker 4: How do people get in touch with you. Again, this
Speaker 4: is an interesting development. Not everybody builds one like.
Speaker 10: This, right, right exactly. Well, yeah, so you can need
Speaker 10: to go to the website, which is Pickax dot com.
Speaker 10: It's p c k a x dot com. You can
Speaker 10: also download the app as well in either the Google
Speaker 10: Play Store or in the iOS the Apple App Store
Speaker 10: as well. Just look up Pickax p I c k
Speaker 10: a X and you can download the app there. That's
Speaker 10: honestly the best place to you know, follow me. I'm
Speaker 10: constantly writing articles over there about a lot of this
Speaker 10: kind of stuff when it comes to artificial intelligence, and
Speaker 10: you know I do shows on a lot of this
Speaker 10: kind of stuff as well, So you know, that's kind
Speaker 10: of become my hub obviously, since it's my own social
Speaker 10: media platforms, that's kind of where my primary time is
Speaker 10: spent on social media.
Speaker 4: Well, again, the question is, and I look at it
Speaker 4: this way that many people have even answered it. They have,
Speaker 4: and we appreciate it. You don't have to where do
Speaker 4: we draw the line between public safety and government surveillance?
Speaker 4: Who are we? We're the Doctor Sky Experience. Who's our guest,
Speaker 4: the Jeff Dornick, as we mentioned many times here, the
Speaker 4: founder and CEO of Pickaxe, the groundbreaking social media platform
Speaker 4: built on two uncompromising principles. We're talking the freedom of
Speaker 4: speech and the freedom of reach. And to understand that's
Speaker 4: your homework assignment if you choose to accept it, to
Speaker 4: study more about the Constitution and understand the specific differences
Speaker 4: that you could explain it to a seven year old
Speaker 4: And I mean that seriously, the differences between freedom and
Speaker 4: liberty much more. With Jeff Dornick and your calls line
Speaker 4: number five, Lenny in Westchester will get to you. Stay
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Speaker 3: Now Here's Doctor Scott.
Speaker 4: Recently, Hugh Downs was asked why he enjoys listening to
Speaker 4: the Doctor Sky show.
Speaker 22: I think the reason is simply that with the amount
Speaker 22: of time he has, he has two things going. One
Speaker 22: is the knowledge to no science, and the second thing
Speaker 22: is the ability to get it across to people who
Speaker 22: might not quite understand it. And you get it across correctly.
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Speaker 4: Forty eight minutes after the hour, we continue here the
Speaker 4: Doctor's Guy experience or a special guest as you've learned,
Speaker 4: or if you're just joining us, Jeff Dornick, let's go
Speaker 4: to line vive Lenny in Westchester. You've been patient. Good
Speaker 4: morning to you. Thanks for your patience.
Speaker 9: Well, my patience is unlimited, gentleman, doctor Sky. Jeff, your
Speaker 9: show is awesome and it's earty shattering, and you got
Speaker 9: to excuse me. I was just feeding all the information
Speaker 9: from Gain and Function into my artificial intelligence.
Speaker 8: I'm waiting for the anthe.
Speaker 7: To come out.
Speaker 8: But before I get to the meat and potatoes, let
Speaker 8: me just say some to everybody, because I think I
Speaker 8: have a little more experience on this. The fifth the
Speaker 8: fifth Amendment does not get suspended, okay. And also they
Speaker 8: were looking to get the key blorel on perjury. They
Speaker 8: don't want a criminal trial because all the evidence will
Speaker 8: come out and you want to know how embarrassing that
Speaker 8: will be. No eighty five year old people up pull
Speaker 8: the sap by himself. Okay, now, let me get back
Speaker 8: to what the meat potatoes when you guys are talking
Speaker 8: about it is phenomenal artificial intelligence, data centers, computer chips, cloud.
Speaker 8: Have we noticed through the years when we develop all
Speaker 8: this stuff and we are number one, no one's even close.
Speaker 8: China had stuff because they steal it to us, and
Speaker 8: Russia had stuff because we gave it to them because
Speaker 8: we were stupid to give it to them back in the seventies.
Speaker 8: But miniatur ration, miniaturizing our technology is one of the
Speaker 8: most to meet, one of the most phenomenal things going.
Speaker 8: And I believe data centers eventually will be miniaturized. There
Speaker 8: will also be ways of developing more energy, so people
Speaker 8: in those towns which I believe the data centers eventually
Speaker 8: certain places will not be near those places because people
Speaker 8: are getting at it. But I want to emphasize this,
Speaker 8: and Jeff, can you answer this if you have a background,
Speaker 8: China and Russia do not want us to be number
Speaker 8: one in data and data centers or arcticial intelligence. So
Speaker 8: they're working inside this country to stop it, and they're
Speaker 8: funding somebody's protests.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised,
Speaker 10: especially especially China, you know, doing that because and we
Speaker 10: also know as well that that China has has infiltrated, uh,
Speaker 10: you know, a wide variety of government agencies and uh
Speaker 10: in all different you know, aspects of American life as well.
Speaker 10: So I'm sure that they are impacting and influencing things
Speaker 10: as well as funding you know, certain certain kinds of
Speaker 10: either narratives, propaganda, protests, you know, things things along those lines.
Speaker 10: I think, I think on I think, on one hand,
Speaker 10: it's it's very easy to say that, you know, because
Speaker 10: like Kevin O'Leary, you know, who's heavily invested in a
Speaker 10: lot of these A I Dentists AI data centers. But
Speaker 10: saying that all all of the people that that are
Speaker 10: saying that they are opposed to the AI data centers,
Speaker 10: that they're basically all in conhusive with China, I think
Speaker 10: we have to be careful not to go that far,
Speaker 10: because I've got concerns about a lot of these A
Speaker 10: I Dentists data centers as well, and I definitely have
Speaker 10: zero ties to China, but also on the flip side,
Speaker 10: there is definitely propaganda and things going on because they
Speaker 10: want to make sure that they're going to win the race,
Speaker 10: not us.
Speaker 4: Lenny, thanks for the insightful commentary. You're spot on on this,
Speaker 4: and occasionally, ladies and gentlemen, with no apology, we talk
Speaker 4: about stories of American exceptionalism and bringing our mindset to
Speaker 4: understand what Jeff Dornick is talking about with great guests
Speaker 4: like himself on the problematic thing of these companies that
Speaker 4: may not necessarily be bad companies. I mean that's a
Speaker 4: very general word, but the concern we have to have
Speaker 4: out there, people must give their consent. So if you're
Speaker 4: in a small city, many are even a big city,
Speaker 4: municipal surveillance ordinances on surveillance ought to be determined by
Speaker 4: qualified voters. I think Jeff would agree on that. Excuse me,
Speaker 4: but as we close out the show, I wanted to
Speaker 4: go and step out a little further and leap out
Speaker 4: describe to us from a Christian standpoint your book, Church
Speaker 4: and State, and then talk about a new book that
Speaker 4: you're coming out with here if you don't mind sharing it.
Speaker 4: Following the leader. What's the premise spik behind both of
Speaker 4: these books.
Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely. So the book Church and State was was
Speaker 10: kind of a sequel to another book that that we
Speaker 10: put out the year before, called Social Injustice. So the
Speaker 10: first book was called Social Injustice Exposed in the False
Speaker 10: Gospel of the Social Justice Movement. I brought together a
Speaker 10: bunch of experts to each kind of write a chapter
Speaker 10: on their expertise dealing dealing with the social justice movement
Speaker 10: from a theological standpoint, So we compared everything with scripture,
Speaker 10: dove into the worldview, the theology behind the movement, and
Speaker 10: all that. Church and State kind of became the sequel
Speaker 10: that where that ended up focusing more on the strategy
Speaker 10: of infiltration, specifically into the evangelical church because you know,
Speaker 10: as a lot of people have seen and commented that,
Speaker 10: you know, you walk into a church and then you
Speaker 10: leave and it sounds like you just left the Bernie
Speaker 10: Sanders AFC rally. It's like this exactly right, It's like
Speaker 10: how did how did we get to that point? And
Speaker 10: so you know, we I've got doctor Bobby Lopez who
Speaker 10: wrote about how the left actually infiltrated into the theological
Speaker 10: seminaries we've we had, we had Another Another chapter was
Speaker 10: by mister Greg Blacke taking a look at at how
Speaker 10: the church was hijacked in the midst of COVID. We
Speaker 10: you know it took you know, I wrote a chapter
Speaker 10: on the evangelical culture personality and how that's used to
Speaker 10: manipulate people. So there was a lot of different things
Speaker 10: that they were exposed in that book, and it's a
Speaker 10: great book to really understand how the church was hijacked.
Speaker 10: The book that I'm working on right now is called
Speaker 10: Following the Leader, which expands on the chapter that I
Speaker 10: wrote within Church and State about the evangelical culture personality.
Speaker 10: But I'm looking specifically at how this kind of culture
Speaker 10: personality is playing out in politics. It happens on the left,
Speaker 10: it happens on the right, it happens in all different
Speaker 10: you know mediums really where where they will use these
Speaker 10: leaders in order to try to get you to identify
Speaker 10: yourself with that person. And then once you identify with
Speaker 10: that person, it's very easy to mold your belief system
Speaker 10: and change your belief system to align when that person
Speaker 10: molds or changes. And so that like when you think
Speaker 10: about it, for a lot of people that in the
Speaker 10: midst of COVID. Anthony Fauci was that quote unquote cult
Speaker 10: leader to a certain degree to where whatever he said
Speaker 10: when he'd one day he'd say we're mask the other
Speaker 10: day he'd say he wear three masks, and the other day
Speaker 10: he'd say wear no masks, and people would morph with
Speaker 10: it because they were in line with him as their
Speaker 10: quote unquote leader. You know, the same thing happens on
Speaker 10: the right, the same thing happens in a variety of ways.
Speaker 10: So my concern is helping people to figure out not
Speaker 10: only what do you believe, but why do you believe it?
Speaker 10: And is your belief system founded on the belief system
Speaker 10: of somebody else or is it because you actually know
Speaker 10: that what you believe is true. So it's kind of
Speaker 10: we go through this self examination period as well.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 4: Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. Your homemark, if you
Speaker 4: choose to accept it, is to study the Revolutionary War,
Speaker 4: a black robe regiment the ministry there. That's interesting, that's
Speaker 4: something that many people don't even know about, and we'll
Speaker 4: leave that for another discussion. But in simplistic terms, how
Speaker 4: would you define the black robe regiment of the Revolutionary War?
Speaker 10: Know that was that was realistically it was. It was
Speaker 10: it was a bunch of pastors and reverends you know
Speaker 10: around the colonies that were actually, you know, preaching about
Speaker 10: the current state of what was going on in the
Speaker 10: relationship between America and England, and they were actually engaging
Speaker 10: their congregations to get involved, to push back. And so
Speaker 10: it was really interesting because you know, there's a pietist
Speaker 10: movement that that happened then it all it's also happening
Speaker 10: now where there was pastors like, we want to stay
Speaker 10: out of the quote unquote the politics or the government,
Speaker 10: or you know, we just want to preach the gospel,
Speaker 10: that preach the Bible. And then there was these Black
Speaker 10: Regiment pastors where they were like, no, the bier, there's
Speaker 10: biblical principles that can apply to this situation, and I
Speaker 10: think that we can learn from that.
Speaker 4: Today you bring up something that's not a left time
Speaker 4: just a couple of minutes left here in the top
Speaker 4: of this hour of number two. You bring up something
Speaker 4: here it's called the economy is booming, So why are
Speaker 4: you broke? What's the general consensus behind That sounds very
Speaker 4: interesting and I'm sure many people will relate.
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, it was interesting because because I did an
Speaker 10: episode of my show, of The Jeff Rorners Show, and
Speaker 10: I had a guest on that we're talking about capitalism
Speaker 10: and socialism, and he was he was he was really
Speaker 10: making the argument about how you know the the economy
Speaker 10: is booming, you just look at the stock prices, and
Speaker 10: you look at the GDP and you look at all
Speaker 10: that kind of stuff, and uh, you know, I I
Speaker 10: tended to while I agree with him that socialism is awful,
Speaker 10: I also feel like we have to also be honest
Speaker 10: about the current state of the economy. And yes, stock
Speaker 10: prices are up, but that's dealing with America the entity
Speaker 10: that's dealing with the big corporations that it's dealing with
Speaker 10: the wealthy. It's not necessarily dealing with the everyday America.
Speaker 10: The everyday Americans largely are struggling.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 10: Grocery prices are up, Like you know, my wife and
Speaker 10: my wife and I were going through our our budget,
Speaker 10: you know, and everything, and it's like we have nowhere
Speaker 10: to cut because everything, all the prices are going up
Speaker 10: on virtually everything, and and and it's it's really crazy
Speaker 10: about that. So it's like, on one hand, you've got
Speaker 10: the numbers that the economists look at like the economy
Speaker 10: is booming, it's growing, and then on the other hand,
Speaker 10: you're looking at the everyday Americans that are struggling to
Speaker 10: get by, and there's this tension there on, you know,
Speaker 10: and I think that we have to acknowledge both sides
Speaker 10: of the equation to truly gauge how the economy is
Speaker 10: going and how we can actually serve the American people.
Speaker 4: Very well, said Jeff Dornick. I hope you'll come back.
Speaker 4: I say that the guests that are we of course
Speaker 4: every guest I asked that, but it's your opportunity to
Speaker 4: hear be heard here on this powerhouse Blowtorch. We certainly
Speaker 4: would appreciate another time with you as your book and
Speaker 4: the second book comes out following the leader, You're welcome
Speaker 4: here anytime and again go to his particular new This app,
Speaker 4: Legends of the Pickaxe is a Pickaxe dot com. Is
Speaker 4: that the location that people can get it? Tell me
Speaker 4: one more time?
Speaker 11: Yep, yeah.
Speaker 10: They can go over to pickax dot com or you
Speaker 10: guys can deload the app directly in the iOS or
Speaker 10: the Google Play app Store.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Jeff Dornick of the Jeff Dornick show,
Speaker 4: always great information years. We talk about how to keep
Speaker 4: our constitution and again remember we're a constitutional republic, not
Speaker 4: necessarily which many people overt use the word, in my opinion, democracy.
Speaker 4: We are a representative democracy. But that is for another
Speaker 4: detailed conversation Tomorrow. We return to the main stables of
Speaker 4: our program as we talk with some very interesting guests,
Speaker 4: maybe a surprise guest indeed, but we're going to go
Speaker 4: back to our space expert Rod Pile and talk about
Speaker 4: the missions. What happened to the Moon when we had
Speaker 4: the impactor. I was out with the telescope looking three
Speaker 4: hundred power out in the middle of a monsoon partly
Speaker 4: cloudy sky. I saw nothing on the Moon. So many people,
Speaker 4: of course watched. The point is the telescope, even at
Speaker 4: that power, is difficult to see an object that's forty
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