WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:03:01.960 Stas y always look to the sky. 2 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:09.080 The Doctor Sky Experience is on the air seventy seven WABC. 3 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.159 Now Here's Doctor Sky. 4 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.199 Welcome to your weekend. How fast seven days it seems 5 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:20.479 to go and the time spreas continue as always from 6 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:24.719 the powerhouse blow Torts Signal Talk Radio, seventy seven WABC 7 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:27.879 and proud to be broadcasting from the center of the universe, 8 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.680 New York City to the nation in the world. Welcome 9 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:34.360 to another edition of the Doctor Sky Experience, a show 10 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:38.599 about the many mysteries and realms from astronomy, space, aviation, weather, 11 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:43.599 celebrity guests, and stories of American exumption lists. 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And the question 41 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:13.240 that I proposed and posed to the audience is simply this, 42 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:16.720 where do we draw the line between public safety and 43 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.839 government surveillance. And with that in mind, let's hear what 44 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:23.360 some people have to say about the topic. We'll be 45 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:27.800 talking about pretty much for two hours, the area of 46 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.439 surveillance and flock cameras. And here's what some people have 47 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:31.959 to say. 48 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.160 This is unconstitutional. Like a lot of other people said, 49 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:37.519 I don't need to repeat. Everything that's been said has 50 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:41.600 been said very clearly, very loudly. My grammar school English 51 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:43.800 teacher taught me a couple of thanks. I never heard 52 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:46.040 the word flock before. I do know it now, so 53 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.639 I'm going to use it in these next couple of sentences. 54 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:56.000 Remove the flocking cameras from Melford. Whoever voted for these 55 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.920 flocking cameras, we will be removing the open flocking off. 56 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.439 Yes, I can. 57 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.199 Guarantee you you will be you will be voted out. 58 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:11.959 This is unconstitutional, it's unnecessary. And I don't know whose 59 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.079 flucking idea was to do this, because I didn't hear 60 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:15.800 nothing about it. 61 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:17.199 And now I got it. 62 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:19.360 I got a warning eleven. 63 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:20.160 Days after. 64 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.120 It took my picture. It was a pretty good picture 65 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.240 of my safe say must you must have spent a 66 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:30.720 lot of money on Yeah, So so anyway, it took 67 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:33.360 eleven days for it to get to my house, so 68 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:34.199 that means I could have. 69 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:36.199 Got two tickets a day going to and from work. 70 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:43.079 Jeff Dornick, founder and CEO of Pickax, an author and editor. 71 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.079 Jeff published and co authored Church and State Now the 72 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.240 Left used the Church to Conquer America and social injustice, 73 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.759 exposing the false gospel of the social justice movement. His 74 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.920 forthcoming book, Following the Leader is currently available for pre order. 75 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.720 His website and we encourage you to check it out 76 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:04.879 is Pickax pic kax dot app to learn so much 77 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:07.920 more as we'll be finding out about what Jeff Dornick 78 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:13.240 is all about. And Dornick is spelled dr Nik. Jeff, 79 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:15.279 thank you for being on the Doctor Sky Experience. I 80 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.279 appreciate your time. I presume that you're on the West Coast, 81 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:18.879 is that correct? 82 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:23.240 Yeah, I'm out here in California, so it's a little 83 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:25.000 bit earlier out here than for you. 84 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.240 Well. Absolutely, and it's always a prosing honor to listen 85 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.959 to people like yourself that bring to bring forth to 86 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:34.360 the audience here. So many topics about America and how 87 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.360 to keep us on the street and not narrow, but 88 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.040 of course the wide expanse that America has with its 89 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:43.160 two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. Jeff, I got to begin 90 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:45.639 with tell us how you got started and what you do, 91 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.920 and then let's segue to your shows. And again, the 92 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.560 main topic I think of this particular iteration, as we 93 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.079 call it an episode, is all about these picks, excuse me, 94 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:57.600 all about these flock cameras that we need to know 95 00:07:57.720 --> 00:07:59.560 so much more about to tell about a little bit 96 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:01.040 about yourself. How do you got started? 97 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:06.279 Yeah, definitely. So I first got into podcasting actually back 98 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.079 in probably like twenty seventeen. I started a Christian show 99 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.600 called just called Conversations with Jeff. I'd sit down and 100 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.920 I'd interview different pastors and theologians and all that. And 101 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.680 I had that show for several years, and you know, 102 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.480 it builds it up, started the Christian podcast Network. And 103 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:25.879 then I ended up having a job at an advertising 104 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.839 agency out of New York, and I was a VP 105 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:32.000 of operations. And then COVID hit and they locked everything down, 106 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:34.559 and so they let everybody go that wasn't actively working 107 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:38.360 on a campaign. And because you know, if you can't 108 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:40.600 have an office, how do you have a VP of operations? 109 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.399 So I ended up getting let go the day after 110 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.480 my birthday, which is when they locked down the entire 111 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:49.440 world pretty much in March of twenty twenty, and so 112 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:53.519 that day I was supposed to interview a guy and 113 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:55.440 I called him. I was like, I got a cancel 114 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.080 because I just got lost my job, and he pitched 115 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.440 me on the idea of starting a political podcast network together, 116 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.279 which we did and then we built that up was 117 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:09.039 quite successful. It was called Freedom First Network. And then 118 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:12.720 a couple of years ago I had the opportunity to 119 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:17.080 pitch an investor on an idea for a social media platform, 120 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:21.080 and the whole idea was building something that was truly 121 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:26.039 free speech, because I saw on x what was happening 122 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:28.320 with Elon purchasing Twitter and turning into X is they 123 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.759 have a policy called freedom of speech, but not freedom 124 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:32.639 of reach, which means they'll let you say what you want, 125 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:34.360 but that doesn't mean that they actually have to let 126 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.320 anybody see it. So the idea for Pickax was to 127 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.080 have a free speech social media platform as well as 128 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.919 one without algorithmic manipulation. And so I pitched it to 129 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.919 an investor, got it fully funded, started building it out, 130 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:51.639 and then we officially launched it here in February, and 131 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:55.159 now we're growing by leaps and bounds and just continuing 132 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:59.240 to find technological solutions to different problems that we're facing, 133 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:02.679 especially in our cards to freedom of speech and freedom 134 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:04.480 of reach and expression and all that. 135 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:07.879 So amazing, well congratulations on that as we bring you 136 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:10.840 to the vast audience here of Talk Radio seventy seven 137 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:14.399 WABC around the nation and around the world. But some 138 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:16.799 of the interesting topics here, and I think this is important. 139 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:18.679 I throw the question out, always a question to the 140 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.000 audience to hear what they have to say and what 141 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.200 we call a theater of the mind, and the question 142 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.120 once again is where do we draw the line between 143 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.559 public safety and government surveillance? And if I can take 144 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:32.320 the moment just to bring this into focus. Flock's automated 145 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:34.919 license plate reader cameras are designed to help law enforcement 146 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:39.480 identify stolen vehicles and solve crime, but many critics warn 147 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:42.759 the technology technology excuse me, can create searchable records of 148 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:47.159 people's movements and raise serious questions about privacy, data sharing, 149 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.759 and government overreach. Tell us more because the LAPD is 150 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.200 you're going to tell us, recently halted the use of 151 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.799 Flock cameras and that's a big agency. And I'll jump 152 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.799 in later with some of my personal experiences in the 153 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.480 video surveillance world. Believe it or not, Ladies and gentlemen, 154 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.320 please continue, Jeff. This is a fascinating story that I'm 155 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.440 sure affects so many people. 156 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.399 Or soon will right. 157 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:10.600 Well, you know, it's it's really interesting, especially with the 158 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.879 flock cameras, because I've I've gone, I've talked about this 159 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:17.279 on a variety of shows, and and and the way 160 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:19.799 the way that especially talking with you know, some some 161 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.840 people that are in law enforcement as well as well 162 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.879 as not, it's interesting because you can make the argument 163 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:30.480 from both the law enforcement perspective, which oftentimes is we're 164 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:32.399 trying to keep people safe. We're trying to track the 165 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.879 bad guys. You know, if there's a guy that steals 166 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:37.080 a car, we can immediately you know, hop on there 167 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.240 using the flot cameras and track it down. And then 168 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.759 there's the other people that are obviously concerned about the 169 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.159 constitutional rights and privacy rights and the mass surveillance and 170 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.600 all that. So really the way the way to understand 171 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:49.879 what's going on with with the plot cameras is, you know, 172 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:54.919 it's it's basically like security cameras that are on steroids 173 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:57.720 that are tied in with artificial intelligence, and so if 174 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.679 you're contracted let's say, let's say with the city, then 175 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:03.000 oftentimes they would have like a police you know, the 176 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.639 police department would have access to it. So if if 177 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.279 there's an identify, if there's identifying markers for a particular vehicle, 178 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:11.120 the police would be able to type in, you know, 179 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:12.879 where we're looking for a white truck with a with 180 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:14.639 a dent on the on the back of the truck 181 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:17.720 with this license plate, and they can use artificial intelligence 182 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.840 in order to basically scan all the flock cameras and 183 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.120 be able to pinpoint either where it is or see 184 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.879 the route that it actually took. And so, you know, 185 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:30.759 from from that standpoint, you can see the immediate benefit 186 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.200 to law enforcement on you know, a quick quicker turnaround 187 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:38.159 time on trucking somebody down, being able to actually investigate 188 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.679 see where somebody actually went and all that. On the 189 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.600 flip side, you start dealing with your right to peaceably assembly, 190 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:45.679 You start dealing with your privacy rights and freedom of 191 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:49.200 movement and all of that, where you could really see 192 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:53.879 the potential harm and abuse of these flock cameras, And 193 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:57.080 I always use the example imagine, if you know, because 194 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:58.600 I live out here in California where we had the 195 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:03.559 crazy lockdown with under Gavin Usom. Imagine if Gavin Newsom 196 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.399 had the ability of using these flot cameras during COVID 197 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.960 where you know, they would have been able to know 198 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:12.679 immediately who was going, where were you, you know, because 199 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:14.360 there was a period of time where you weren't even 200 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.399 allowed to go out on the freeway after a certain 201 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:19.480 after a certain time at night unless you were specifically 202 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:22.000 going somewhere that was approved. Like imagine, if you had 203 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.120 the flat cameras, they would know exactly where you went. 204 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.840 That would deal with the contact tracing, they would deal 205 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.559 with our you breaking the lawn, going to church on Sunday, 206 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.879 they would know who went where, who was associated with who. 207 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.759 It would have been just mass tyranny and far worse 208 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:38.879 than we even experienced. 209 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.200 Jeff Dornick is our special guest the Jeff Dornick Show. 210 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.600 He's speaking with you and the whole nation and around 211 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:47.000 the world on a subject that I feel is very 212 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.000 important to this audience. The question of course, where do 213 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.559 we draw the line or you legis and gentlemen, meaning 214 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:55.960 public safety and government surveillance. And what you've just said, 215 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.320 Jeff is very interesting. It should trip off a nerve 216 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:02.200 in the body to say, wow, enough is enough. But 217 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:05.039 let let us talk about this subject from both sides 218 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:08.080 of the equation, the science and mystery of surveillance in 219 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:10.679 our world today. Yes, you can get in on the 220 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:12.960 conversation and the theater of the mind one eight hundred 221 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.000 eight four eight nine two two two to feel what 222 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.120 everybody out there feels should be and with controls as 223 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:23.279 many people want or cat the complete abolition of these 224 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.399 type of cameras. I find it fascinating. Just a little 225 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:28.639 side story for you and the audience. They may not 226 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:32.000 know this. Many many years ago, over fifteen, I represented 227 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:34.799 a company and I'm honest that was in the video 228 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:39.279 surveillance world for in custody chain of custody law enforcement. 229 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.639 In other words, in the patrol car, they had a 230 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.559 data recorder that went into the area where the radio was. 231 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:46.639 For those of you that are fans of the Ford 232 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.440 police vehicles of days gone by, this was known as 233 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:52.399 the P seventy one platform from Ford, simply known as 234 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:55.120 a police car, and in that particular case, Jeff, and 235 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:58.200 to everybody listening, there was a video surveillance camera when 236 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:00.559 an officer would do a traffic stop. He also had 237 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.840 an audio type of device, well before the before these 238 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.039 new Exxon cameras that are now out there. The problematic 239 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:09.159 thing was one day and I was sitting in a 240 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.840 meeting with entire staff, maybe one hundred people. Somebody came 241 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.840 in Jeff with a presentation and I was kind of shocked. 242 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:17.840 And this really got me to think. I had a 243 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:20.559 question my own sanitay in doing this. What was it? 244 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:23.600 License plate reader cameras. The guy got up at the 245 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.279 podium and said, we now have the technology to go 246 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:29.759 through any shopping mall and scan every single license plate. 247 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:32.279 We can find out who might have a warrant, who 248 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:35.279 has unpaid traffic tickets. And it kind of bothered me. 249 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.240 And again I'm not being melodramatic. It fits very well 250 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:39.639 to what we're talking about. 251 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.559 Correct, Yeah, no, absolutely, you know, and and you know 252 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.879 there's there's you know, there's schools that are contracting with 253 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.279 the plot cameras, there's churches that are that are that 254 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.360 are contracting with and there's h o ways in addition 255 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:54.399 to the cities and the police and the police departments 256 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:56.799 and all that. And and again it's like when you 257 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.120 when you when you think about it from a school 258 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.879 security stam point, if you have access to these blot 259 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:05.960 cameras and you can identify license plates, and you can 260 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:10.039 identify cars and all that, you get the immediate benefit 261 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:11.840 of that. And I would argue that that's probably a 262 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.200 pretty good application of it to where if a kid 263 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.480 goes missing, then you would immediately know, okay, well we 264 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:20.480 know that the last place that that they got in 265 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:22.360 was this vehicle, and then you can actually track the 266 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:24.600 car down and all that. So on one hand, again 267 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:28.639 you see the benefit of that, but also when you 268 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.480 when you also think about it, like you explained, there 269 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:35.919 is a vast invasion of privacy. And again we have 270 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:40.039 to we have to preface this by saying that in general, 271 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.240 you could argue this technology is going to be used 272 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:44.840 for good. You got to you know, hunt down the 273 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.399 bad guys, who's got who's going to warrant out, But 274 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.559 there's also been instances where flot cameras have been used 275 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.879 and abuse, and you can also see the potential for 276 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:57.039 a much more tyrannical application of it. You know, just 277 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:00.000 think about what's happening in China with a social crest 278 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.360 that scores. You saw what happen with the with the 279 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.359 COVID lockdowns and all the security they were doing over 280 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:09.000 there in China, Like you know, the Chinese that infiltrated 281 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.759 a lot of different aspects of the United States government, 282 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:14.960 of our society out here. So when you think about it, 283 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.160 the technology is in place for that kind of a 284 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:21.200 surveillance state that we have to be very cautious about that. 285 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.400 We don't, you know, fast track it to that point. 286 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:26.119 You know, it's interesting. I'm not a biblical scholar by 287 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:28.160 any means, and I'm sure you can help us as 288 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.599 we navigate through time and space here. But if you 289 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.079 look at flock, I've done a little research in the Bible, 290 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.039 and there's so many chapters in the Bible in which 291 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:37.839 flock is defined and it comes down to this, and 292 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:42.839 this was a summation human helplessness, naivete dependence in large 293 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:44.960 crowds or groups. So I got to ask you this, 294 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.400 what does in your opinion the flock term? Is it 295 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.759 named after an individual or what's the namesake behind the 296 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.920 name plock? Does it have any significant meaning other than 297 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:55.880 the way it sounds. 298 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:01.480 Yeah, well, I think that it's it's it's really interesting 299 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:04.559 because because it depends on how on how conspiratorial, uh 300 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:07.640 people want to get on that one. But it's interesting 301 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.359 because because because the very very obviously the very definition 302 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:14.799 of it is is that group mentality of I think 303 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:16.759 I think really what they were trying to convey was 304 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:20.559 this idea that we've got these this group of cameras 305 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.640 and you know, all tied together with with artificial intelligence 306 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:27.079 to where you know, they're all working in conjunction with 307 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:29.200 each other, just like a flock of birds or what 308 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.359 or whatever it is. I think that the you know, 309 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:34.400 when when you start getting into more of the of 310 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:39.039 the conspiratorial standpoint, you know, like you know, it reminds 311 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:41.720 me of you know, the you know, when you start 312 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.839 dealing with the demonic entities that you that you know, 313 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.240 Jesus would confront or the Apostles would confront, and you know, 314 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:50.599 whether whether it was like Legion and there was these 315 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:54.759 hosts of of demonic entities and beings, and yet I 316 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.400 don't want to convey this idea that this is for 317 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:00.839 sure like a demonic type of thing, but exactly reminiscent. 318 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:04.079 It's very it's very reminiscent of that. And what's really 319 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:06.960 the other really interesting thing is that I've been diving 320 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:11.400 a lot more into the worldview behind you know, Silicon 321 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:14.480 Valley and technology, and there's a lot of that kind 322 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.799 of symbolism hidden within a lot of the names and 323 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.480 a lot of the logos amongst a lot of the 324 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.440 Silicon Valley you know, tech companies, and and it's been 325 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:25.519 interesting because there's been a lot of articles. And actually 326 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:29.200 talked to a reporter for Rolling Stone several months ago 327 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.000 about this about this story, which was that, you know, 328 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:34.240 they were saying that there's a Christian revival happening within 329 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:36.920 Silicon Valley. But the more that I researched it, the 330 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:39.400 more that I looked into it, it wasn't as much 331 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:42.279 of a Christian revival as a Gnostic revival. So they 332 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:46.319 were actually believing in the Gnostic Gospels, which are contradictory 333 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:48.759 to what we find in the whole in the Holy Scriptures. 334 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.279 And so, you know, it's it's really interesting because when 335 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.039 when you look at the world view behind the Gnostic Gospels, 336 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:58.960 it very much is in line with Silicon Valley, which 337 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.920 is the search for hidden and you discovering all of 338 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:07.039 these things, So it fits in with that kind of mentality, 339 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:07.759 if that makes sense. 340 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.319 Well, Nor to Jeff and I, ladies and gentlemen, obviously 341 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.680 not just saying that for safety reasons, wanted to disparage 342 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.119 any company out there. I don't know the people of 343 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.400 that clock safety. All we want to do, and we're 344 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:20.079 certainly not apologizing for this, is to bring out a 345 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:23.359 conversation what I think is even bigger than any company, 346 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.039 right Jeff, about what's happening if you look at the 347 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:29.599 whole collective in the entire world. Where is this planet? 348 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:32.759 And particularly since we're talking here with mostly from America 349 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.319 and Canada and North America, precisely what's going to happen 350 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:38.839 to us if we just are asleep at the wheel 351 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:42.240 or asleep at the switch. Very interesting conversation here. But 352 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:44.079 help us out on this. Is there any way without 353 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.079 putting you in a bad position? How do people actually 354 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:49.519 find out where the flock cameras are in their neighborhood? 355 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:52.960 Is this publicly identified as it continues to grow? I mean, 356 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.839 how do people even know where they are? Help us 357 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:56.039 on that? 358 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.000 Yeah, well, yeah, there's different resources in different tracking webs 359 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:00.920 sites that are out there. 360 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:01.240 I don't. 361 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.519 I don't have the direct URLs off the top of 362 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:05.200 my head. I can I can pull them up here 363 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:06.920 here in a little bit. But I do know that 364 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:09.119 there's different, that there's different there's different sites that are 365 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:12.480 out there that that are very easy to find, that 366 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.599 that will actually let you know where flock cameras are 367 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:19.240 in and in which cities are contracting with with the 368 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:21.880 flock cameras as well, and the same The thing that 369 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.240 I always, uh, you know, encourage people is to take 370 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:27.680 a look at your local city and in local local 371 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:30.880 county and see if if your local police department or 372 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:33.759 city has actually you know, contracted with them. And then 373 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.359 go around and and see do you feel safer or 374 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:37.880 do you feel like this is kind of like an 375 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.480 invasion of privacy? Do you do you feel like you're 376 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:43.000 always being watched? And then what you should do is 377 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:45.680 you should actually go speak to your city council because 378 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.119 they're more than likely the ones that approved the contract 379 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:50.519 or you know, went along with it, and then actually 380 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.240 share your concerns with them. And you know, the reality 381 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:55.319 of it is is that it doesn't take that many 382 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:59.680 people to share their concerns about these things. Before they 383 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:02.759 realize like, Okay, this represents a larger group of people. 384 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:04.240 Maybe we need to take this a little bit more 385 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.759 seriously and then maybe your concerns can be heard about it. 386 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.680 Jeff, people are coming into our theater of the mind, 387 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:11.440 as we like to say it, because we're not watching 388 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:14.039 this on video, and people are coming in right now 389 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:17.880 four eight nine to two two expressing their concerns. And 390 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:21.680 to start off our conversation, we welcome online too, Matt 391 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:24.359 in the Bronx. You're on with Jeff Dornick. Thank you 392 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:25.960 for coming into our theater of the mind. 393 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:28.240 How are you, yes, good morning. 394 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:28.920 Well. 395 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:32.279 With regards to government surveillance, you mentioned China and the 396 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:36.039 social credit system that's been enabled by five G technology 397 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:40.519 and companies like Huawei. But in the United States, unfortunately, 398 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:44.799 there's a very sordid history of illegal government surveillance and 399 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:49.519 harassment by law enforcement agencies dating well well before the 400 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.119 civil rights era. If you remember, the FBI had cointell 401 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:58.960