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<v Speaker 1>If you have KRCD talk station. A very very happy Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>made extra special because Todd Zenser is back in studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Former Inspector General of the US Department of Commerce. He

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<v Speaker 1>has an amazing background crunching numbers and finding out facts,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's still at it in his free time. In

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<v Speaker 1>his spare time, he follows things political as well as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose from a financial bottom line standpoint. We were

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<v Speaker 1>just joking around and we're going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>Brent Spence Bridge project, and I just I just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of looked at him and I said, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>this project will ever get off the ground? And he

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<v Speaker 1>just chuckled. He said, yeah, eventually. Welcome back, Todd Zenzer.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem seems to be is that we do have

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<v Speaker 1>a necessary project, which is replacing the Brent Spence Bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>It's over capacity, it's falling apart, it's it's way way

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<v Speaker 1>more traffic on it than it was ever built to handle.

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<v Speaker 1>So fine, we can at least all Republican Democrat independent

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<v Speaker 1>communists agree that, you know, we need a Bran Spence Bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe a few people out there going no, we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But this has turned into one of those well if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to build a bridge then, and everybody and

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<v Speaker 1>his brother wants to get their hand in the cookie

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<v Speaker 1>jar and start changing it and adding it and putting

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<v Speaker 1>the adding on this and that and so the latest

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<v Speaker 1>and let's just start with the bridge. Roundabouts roundabouts and

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<v Speaker 1>then they don't look like roundabouts in the traditional roundabout sense.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a caller earlier. They didn't like them, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think primarily the normal roundabout, Like we joke when

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<v Speaker 1>we think you're European vacation with Chevy Chase, you pull

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<v Speaker 1>up to it and when you have a space, you

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<v Speaker 1>pull onto the roundabout. You continue to move until you

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<v Speaker 1>get to the street you want to go on and

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<v Speaker 1>pull off. It's a circle. He it's the name round about.

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<v Speaker 1>The plans that I saw reported by at least over

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<v Speaker 1>a CPO. These don't look like that. They just look

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<v Speaker 1>like streets.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a little hard to figure out. But morning Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, it's a little difficult to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what they have in mind because the headline in

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<v Speaker 2>the Enquirer article talked about twenty roundabouts. Yeah, and there aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>There probably aren't ten roundabouts in the whole metropolitan area

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. I go through one most mornings over

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<v Speaker 2>in Newport across the south Gate Bridge because four seventy

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<v Speaker 2>one is closed, so an alternate as a south Gate

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<v Speaker 2>bridge when you go over there by the aquarium. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're talking about it around about absolutely, it's very simple.

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<v Speaker 1>They are once you get used to them, they're simple.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, some people struggle with the concept, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some people will just merge right on in rather than

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for the opportunity. But once we all sort that

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<v Speaker 1>out to get used to it, I think most people

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<v Speaker 1>like me will find them to be a far better

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<v Speaker 1>thing than sitting at a red light, idling and waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the damn thing to turn green, because that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>help anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>What your caller earlier today is kind of a representative

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<v Speaker 2>of what people think about roundabouts. They don't like them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're not used to them. They don't really understand

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<v Speaker 2>how to maneuver through them. Uh so you know that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A valid that's a valid curve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the other thing about roundabouts that hasn't been

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<v Speaker 2>talked about is they're not really pedestrian or bicycle friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, all right, which seems contradictory to the latest

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<v Speaker 2>push to walkable cities and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny you brought that up, because that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing never enters my mind. One, I don't ride

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<v Speaker 1>a bike, and wherever I kind of round about, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way I would ever be on foot to be

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<v Speaker 1>in a place where the roundabout is. It's just that's off,

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<v Speaker 1>that's been off my radar. But that's actually funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's uh, it's something they have to consider. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>roundabouts take up a lot of land.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well they do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and if if they've got I think the number

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<v Speaker 2>I saw for this Queensgate concept is twenty five acres

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<v Speaker 2>that they've reclaimed or something like that. You put twenty

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<v Speaker 2>roundabouts in twenty five acres, you're not going to have

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<v Speaker 2>much much else left. So I thought, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at twelve. I think you're probably maybe looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the four corners or something like that to get

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<v Speaker 2>into the queens Gate area.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I will say that in certain places, under certain

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<v Speaker 1>traffic conditions, I think they are a good idea, But

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<v Speaker 1>a roundabout for the sake of putting it around about

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<v Speaker 1>is a stupid idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't know whether they've thought all that through.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they must have no.

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<v Speaker 1>And I joked about this morning too because I saw

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<v Speaker 1>city council examining New Brunsman's Bridge approach using roundabouts, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was struggling with the idea of our city council

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<v Speaker 1>all the way up to the mayor having any concept

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<v Speaker 1>about planning. And I know they have people hired out

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<v Speaker 1>to do planning, but therein lies the challenge because those

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<v Speaker 1>people they hire out to do these and consider these

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<v Speaker 1>projects are the type of people that bring up other

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<v Speaker 1>ideas and additions that raise the price and the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of these things to astronomical numbers. And they already start

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<v Speaker 1>with astronomical numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So right now it looks like there's excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>one point six billion federal dollars that are committed to

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<v Speaker 2>the project. But the project right now is estimated to

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<v Speaker 2>cost three points six billions. So that's another two billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars on top of what the bridge money from the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government totals.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the bridge, if we just focus excuse me, if

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<v Speaker 1>we just focus on the bridge, the necessary component, and

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<v Speaker 1>ignore roundabouts and extensions over and whatever, is that the

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<v Speaker 1>three is that where that three billion dollar figure comes from.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes from the whole footprint. They've got the bridge

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's maybe three four or five miles on

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<v Speaker 2>the Kentucky side and three miles on the Cincinnati side.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll go up to Western Hills Vidoc. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they'll go up to Fort Fort Mitchell and so there's

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<v Speaker 2>various access entrances and excess and all the rest of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So the issue with Queensgate looks to be the connections

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<v Speaker 2>to seventy five. Once that work is completed, how is

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<v Speaker 2>it going to connect? What are the connections going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in Ohio DOT which is controlling the Ohio side issue,

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<v Speaker 2>they came up with access to Queen's Gate. It's called it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>actually this this Brian Bowling came up with this idea

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<v Speaker 2>of this grid over seventy five into Queensgate, and ODOT

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<v Speaker 2>cooperated and came up with a design. And Brian didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like that design, and I guess city council didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>that design.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, you'll make Brian thing, I'm sorry who made this?

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<v Speaker 1>This This Brian guy pope of the whole I think.

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<v Speaker 2>He made himself a pope. I mean, he came up

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<v Speaker 2>with these proposals.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh who is he? He is a.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a local activist at this point, but he's he

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<v Speaker 2>started a group called Bridge Forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he was on my program, was at earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year or something.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's the one that wanted to cover all of

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<v Speaker 1>it with this, with the surface covering, so you could

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<v Speaker 1>sort of build on top of and above the roads

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<v Speaker 1>below right, which you know, I don't know where the

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<v Speaker 1>nine bajillion dollars would come to be able to afford

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<v Speaker 1>to pay. That looks good on paper, nice theoretical concept,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are pretty much broke as a city.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the that's the missing That's the missing piece,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian is how much is all that going to cost?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what resulted in him pairing down

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<v Speaker 2>all of these proposals to where now the differences between

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<v Speaker 2>one way streets going in and out of Queen's Gate

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<v Speaker 2>to two way streets going in and out of Queen's

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<v Speaker 2>Gate plus plus the roundabouts. That's I think that's where

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation is right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, it's possible we have a number of topics

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<v Speaker 1>or whoever with Todd, we clearly have not left this

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<v Speaker 1>concert or this talk yet, So we'll talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about the brun spens Bridge project. Todd Zinzer

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<v Speaker 1>in studio if we got it for an hour until

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<v Speaker 1>we get the judge in the poltono and you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to crack up with the judge's column today. Shoot the drones,

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<v Speaker 1>about surgery and considering all the downtime, how about QC

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<v Speaker 1>It's five one three eight four seven zero zero one

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<v Speaker 1>nine fifty five krs. It is time your nine first

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<v Speaker 1>morning weather forecast. Give me cloudy day to day. The

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<v Speaker 1>rain's supposed to stop around eleven. To the extent you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting any it'll remain cloudy the forty three for the high.

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<v Speaker 1>Clouds over night down to twenty nine. A cloudy day

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow with the ayah thirty nine wark clouds over Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>night with a little of thirty Also cloudy Friday, but

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<v Speaker 1>also a chance of isolated snowshowers thirty seven the high

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday it's forty right now in time for traffick

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<v Speaker 1>up feet from.

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<v Speaker 3>proton therapy. Caught five one three five to eighty four

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<v Speaker 3>beam southbound two seventy five A slow go from the

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<v Speaker 3>Lawrence Perg ramp on to the Carrol Cropper Bridge, where

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<v Speaker 3>the right lane is blocked off northbound seventy five. Break

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<v Speaker 3>lights continue for an extra half hour out of Florence

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<v Speaker 1>Seven fifty five KC Detalk Station, A very happy Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>I th you're talking with Todd Zenzer, a brilliant man.

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<v Speaker 1>He is in so many matters. But we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the Renspns Bridge, and we were talking about the origins

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<v Speaker 1>of this this project. Okay, we all agree the Brent

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<v Speaker 1>Spnce prizies we replaced. Now they're trying to add on

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<v Speaker 1>and part of the additions involve additional road work to

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<v Speaker 1>connect the west and with I guess the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the city. And there are a lot of activists behind this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they say it was racism to build the

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote affordable housing for many a lot of black

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<v Speaker 1>our history here. And even if it was that act

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<v Speaker 1>the damn expressway. I don't know where else I seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five would go if it isn't where it is now,

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<v Speaker 1>because you had the railroads right there, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>where the city is literally sitting. You knock down the

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<v Speaker 1>crew tower back then, and so you can put ICE

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five right through it. So that wasn't even within

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<v Speaker 1>the realm of feasibility. But if you're going to redress

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<v Speaker 1>that wrong, if we want to call it that by

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilding this neighborhood, FC Cincinnati clearly had that in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Why else would they choose that neighborhood. You know, look,

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have bars, we're gonna have restaurants, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>bring in housing. This sounds remarkably like what happened in

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<v Speaker 1>Over the Rhine Now, I remember the early eighties when

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<v Speaker 1>I worked in Over the Rhine. It has transformed dramatically,

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<v Speaker 1>but also at the expense of getting rid of affordable housing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's expensive for young urban hipsters to rent

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<v Speaker 1>a condo by a condo or rent properties there, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things that angered many of the residents.

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<v Speaker 1>Regentrification comes at a high cost, and it ends up

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<v Speaker 1>moving out people who used to call that an affordable neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>So isn't that exactly what's going to happen here if

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<v Speaker 1>we move forward with this. I'm not trying to negate

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<v Speaker 1>the positives from the development. I'm not trying to say

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<v Speaker 1>we need to choke off or keep that west end

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<v Speaker 1>closed off and unusable. But it comes with the same

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<v Speaker 1>with and comes with and will exist now. And haven't

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<v Speaker 1>there been local activists who've been making the point that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making right now about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the idea of taking neighborhoods and gentrifying them results

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<v Speaker 2>in the residents being displaced placed. And if you go

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<v Speaker 2>back to connective communities, you have three members of city

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<v Speaker 2>council who voted against it, and that was their main

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<v Speaker 2>concern is that the rezoning is going to displace people,

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to bring in developers, who's going to put

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<v Speaker 2>who are going to build housing that really aren't affordable,

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<v Speaker 2>or people are going to be displaced, and the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing goes. I mean, that is one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>people well.

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<v Speaker 1>And add on to that, and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>devolve too much, but I know the city has a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of mandates and edicts with regard to how home

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<v Speaker 1>are constructed. You know, you can or cannot have a

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<v Speaker 1>efficiency standards. That kind of thing really significantly jacks the

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes it does. And the idea that the city

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<v Speaker 2>is struggling with this housing issue, I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>all cities do that, but the latest, for example, is

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<v Speaker 2>a proposal from Mark Jeffries. He wants the city to

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<v Speaker 2>use lots that it owns, vacant lots that it owns,

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<v Speaker 2>and experiment with new modular homes for low income or

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<v Speaker 2>affordable housing, like shipping container size homes. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how big they are. All it said in the description

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<v Speaker 2>was a modular which means you just come in and

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<v Speaker 2>snap them together. But yeah, it's a struggle. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>constant struggle about how to provide affordable housing to people

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as we stare over the landscape, I saw an

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<v Speaker 1>article globally speaking, housing is expensive. This isn't just the

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of real estate has gone through the roof.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's one of the reasons why I

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<v Speaker 1>have to get to. It's the streetcar, because it's see

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<v Speaker 1>the streetcar extension mentioned in connection with the reconfiguration of

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<v Speaker 1>the brans Ben's Bridge project. Well, very high level, difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to solve problems that Todd and I are working on

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<v Speaker 1>Seven fifteen, think about KRCD talk station Brian Thomas with

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Zinzer and studio talking complex issues, trying to put

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<v Speaker 1>learned a new concept over the break, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk right now, real quickly about sacrificial slabs. I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking immediately sacrificial lambs, No sacrificial slab, Todd, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to let my listeners know exactly what this is

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the article in the Enquirer about all this

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<v Speaker 2>talked about sacrificial slabs so that the infrastructure be able

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<v Speaker 2>to accommodate a streetcar expansion. And I don't think they

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<v Speaker 2>really mean sacrificial slabs. Sacrificial slabs are like roadways that

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<v Speaker 2>are paved in a certain way that when you need

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<v Speaker 2>to repave them, it's easier, So the slab that's down

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<v Speaker 2>there can be easily taken up and resurfaced. Oh that's

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<v Speaker 2>my understanding of sacrificial slabs. I think what they're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about is something called future proofing or intermodal design, where

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<v Speaker 2>they take a piece of infrastructure and they design it

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<v Speaker 2>for more than one purpose, or for a future purpose. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, I don't know what the overpasses into Queensgate

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<v Speaker 2>that are being proposed. I don't know how they would

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<v Speaker 2>have to be constructed or in what different way they

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<v Speaker 2>would have to be constructed in order for the streetcar

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to go over those overpasses in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>That ever, that ever, managing the weight, for example, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or yeah, the weight and the width of the overpass.

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<v Speaker 2>How much room does the streetcar need to maneuver those

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so from a weight standpoint, I would think

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<v Speaker 2>You would think, ye.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the question is maybe how why the road

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<v Speaker 1>is because of course, going back to your bike, we

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<v Speaker 1>to have that and pedestrian walking paths. So there's a

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<v Speaker 1>little extra with right there. And then on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe enough additional space you could run some railroad track

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<v Speaker 1>on it, even though they didn't have to do that

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<v Speaker 1>for the streetcar downtown Cincinnati. They just put the track

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<v Speaker 1>on the road and the cars navigate around or behind

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<v Speaker 1>or with the streetcar, which seems logical and reasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So these overpasses will be new. So the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of these planners is to make sure that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're prepared to extend the streetcar if we ever, if

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<v Speaker 2>we ever get that far. The problem I have with

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<v Speaker 2>that is paying for it. Well, if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>any of this, Brian, the only numbers that have been

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<v Speaker 2>published is that the original plan for Queen's Gate or

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<v Speaker 2>for this additional planning, would be like one hundred million dollars. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when a three point six billion dollar project that doesn't much,

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't seem like much, But that money is going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to come from another source other than the

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we'll get the Brown family to pay for it,

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<v Speaker 1>since we built them the stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh, Joe suggested railroad money. But see, Joe, that's

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<v Speaker 1>for existing infrastructure, and I'm still waiting for them to

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<v Speaker 1>pave to pay Sunset my favorite illustration of a neglected

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<v Speaker 1>road that will literally throw your car out of alignment

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<v Speaker 1>the moment you drive on it any number of feet. Hold,

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<v Speaker 1>no one cares about price Hill Joe says, he's probably right.

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<v Speaker 1>He is right.

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<v Speaker 2>But now that you bring up the railway, the first

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<v Speaker 2>called it sacrificial slabbing, or I call it future proofing.

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<v Speaker 2>Once you prepare that for the streetcar, does that make

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<v Speaker 2>that existing infrastructure? And can we now extend that streetcar? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>over those overpasses because that infrastructure is existing.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Because I feel very confident I have not

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<v Speaker 1>read the documents. I don't know that I even have

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<v Speaker 1>access to them. But the limitations on using railroad that

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<v Speaker 1>railroad sale money were for use on existing infrastructure. And

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<v Speaker 1>as you point out, anybody can make that argument once

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<v Speaker 1>you build it with some other dollars, and you and

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<v Speaker 1>I Todd, you more than anyone know. Money is fungible.

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<v Speaker 1>So they got a pile of railroad money over here,

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<v Speaker 1>they use this pile of money over here, could be

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<v Speaker 1>in the same bank account for all I know. But no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the railroad money. This is our taxpayer dollars

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<v Speaker 1>from over here. This is the normal money we spent

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<v Speaker 1>on infrastructure, and we're going to use that to build

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<v Speaker 1>these future you know, with roads. And then once they're building, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the railroad money, we can use that because the

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<v Speaker 1>road's built, it's existing. That I guarantee. That's the idea. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What's funny is the city Council earlier this month made

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<v Speaker 2>a motion where they want the city to study They

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<v Speaker 2>want the city administration to study this and get back

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<v Speaker 2>to them in sixty days. So back in February, the

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<v Speaker 2>City Council passed a motion to get a study on

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<v Speaker 2>additional internal controls and safeguards for the railway money. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was working with Crammerdine Jeff Grammerdine on that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted them to put a deadline in on their

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<v Speaker 2>study or on their report, like sixty days. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do that. So nine months later, does the city council

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<v Speaker 2>have a report about how to strengthen the guideline and

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<v Speaker 2>the internal controls and the railway money. No, they don't,

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<v Speaker 2>but they want this, this plan for the for Queensgate

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<v Speaker 2>done in sixty days.

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<v Speaker 1>This is you know, it's also funny on a theoretical

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<v Speaker 1>level if you just look like if we were just

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<v Speaker 1>talking on completely theoretical bases, this would be downright high comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going on right now with real dollars at

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<v Speaker 1>stake here and the future of the city at stake here,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just wondering about the competency level of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who are responsible for the decision making, if you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what's interesting is that this Bridge Forward group who

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<v Speaker 2>is pushing this plan for the for the Queen Skate area,

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<v Speaker 2>they're affiliated with the Davoo Foundation. Somehow, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what the what the connection is. But the Davoo

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<v Speaker 2>Foundation is the organization that's behind this, is expanding the

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<v Speaker 2>street car.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold the thought. We're out of time. In the hour,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta go. I'm gonna get the hairy eyeball from Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll continue with Todd Zenzer after the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the hour shoot the drones. Oh it's hilarious. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's hilarious. Column obviously very very legally and

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<v Speaker 1>constitutionally based. But we'll hear from the judge at bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>Always look forward to that, and I sure hope you

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Zinser and I continue our in studio conversation. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to continue talking about this project, the Brent Spenz

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<v Speaker 1>Bridge project. Now, now I did learn that in spite

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<v Speaker 1>of my out loud statement that nobody disagrees that the

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<v Speaker 1>bridge itself needs to be modernized to the extend it

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<v Speaker 1>can handle the additional traffic. It's obviously threefold more than

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<v Speaker 1>it was when it was built. It's getting long in

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<v Speaker 1>the tooth in terms of its life, and so that's

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<v Speaker 1>why the federal government has agreed to expend what do

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<v Speaker 1>you say, the allocation was one point one one point

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<v Speaker 1>six billion. Now, we were talking about these delays, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's been many delays over the years. How the what's

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<v Speaker 1>the project going to look like? And then all these

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<v Speaker 1>add ons that keep popping up out of nowhere. You

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<v Speaker 1>meant in the Future Forward group, and you got mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>the duvou Foundation now has got its hand in the

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<v Speaker 1>cookie jar with all these additional proposals extensions. Oh we

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<v Speaker 1>need to you know, extend it to get over to

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<v Speaker 1>the west end, and blah blah blah. The original price

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<v Speaker 1>tag for this Brent Spn sprint project was two point

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<v Speaker 1>one billion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think it was even lower than that years earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>but well just a couple of years ago it was

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<v Speaker 2>two point one.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we move forward with no work done, the

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<v Speaker 1>price obviously is increasing. I mean, if you just look

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<v Speaker 1>at what the effect COVID supply chain issues and the

505
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<v Speaker 1>cost of labor and inflation has done alone, that's how

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<v Speaker 1>we now end up with a three point six billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar project, excuse me, which does not include any of

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<v Speaker 1>these additional things that we have been talking about this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Right the modifications over the west, the Queensgate West in

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<v Speaker 2>those types of areas.

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<v Speaker 1>And sacrificial slabs and all these the do dads, the extras,

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff and things. And you showed a really bright

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<v Speaker 1>right light of reality over the break here that I

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<v Speaker 1>think my lists need to hear because their probably a

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<v Speaker 1>world in their eyes going, oh my god, this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be insane. How are you going to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for this? Well, it may be that all this time

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<v Speaker 1>and energy is just really talking about theoretical things, things

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<v Speaker 1>that will not happen because the money is not there now,

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring the railroad money complexities and whether or not this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to become existing infrastructure or not. It isn't

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<v Speaker 1>built yet. That's right, So you're not going to extend

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<v Speaker 1>the streetcar line on a road if it isn't built,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no money for that either and no will

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<v Speaker 1>or desire. But you mentioned that the price tag for

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<v Speaker 1>any of this stuff would fall on Frankfurt and Columbus,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohio and Kentucky taxpayers, because the federal government has

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<v Speaker 1>already issued its allocation.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, there's a contract now that the governments of Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>and Kentucky have signed with the general contractor. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a design build, which means they got one outfit, both

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<v Speaker 2>designing it and constructing it. The contract have been signed

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<v Speaker 2>with that group, so they're not going to tolerate all

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of changes while they're trying to get the bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Belt fair enough, which means the conversations with these outside

536
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<v Speaker 1>entities are are done more as a matter of courtesy,

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<v Speaker 1>because yes, they're not going to happen because the money's

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<v Speaker 1>not there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. There's the Then what the State of Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>and Commonwealth of Kentucky did at some point they told

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<v Speaker 2>Bridge Forward that you're going to have to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the contractor. We're going to we're issuing a contract. Any

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<v Speaker 2>changes you want, you're going to have to work it

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<v Speaker 2>out with the contractor, and that that's what's been going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And the contractor already knows what finite dollars it's

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<v Speaker 1>working with because no one else is coming up with

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<v Speaker 1>the additional dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's incentives on the contractor to save money. There's

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<v Speaker 2>something called value engineering, which means that they need to

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<v Speaker 2>continually look at their processes and their construction to squeeze

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<v Speaker 2>out additional savings. They've got all of that in there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in their advantage to do that anyway, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where additional profit can come from.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's happening with the Queensgate area is really going

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<v Speaker 2>to boil down to a city issue. That's why the

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<v Speaker 2>city council now once they study on this whole proposal,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're going to wind up paying for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, But the Commonwealth and the state of Ohio are

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<v Speaker 1>both And as much as I complain about Columbus, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine the Republicans in Columbus or the Republicans in

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<v Speaker 1>Frankfurt agreeing to throw additional taxpayer dollar resources at any

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<v Speaker 1>of these additional projects. I mean, are you with me

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<v Speaker 1>on that? At least in terms of expectation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you look at how long this project has been

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<v Speaker 2>coming for yeah, decades, and a lot of it was

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<v Speaker 2>because of the lack of funding. So now they've got

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<v Speaker 2>the funding they need for the bridge, and you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go back and try to get more after the

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<v Speaker 2>State of Ohio and the Commonwealth are putting all of

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<v Speaker 2>this money into it already, it's just not practical.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not And the city doesn't own this project.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they absolutely do not own the bridge project and

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<v Speaker 2>the act, the entrances and exits on the Ohio side,

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<v Speaker 2>that's still part of the project. The modifications though to

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<v Speaker 2>open up Queensgate and to make it more accessible to

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<v Speaker 2>people from downtown, that's all the city's.

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<v Speaker 1>Business, right that would be a city project as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to a federal sort of it's a quasi federal state

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<v Speaker 1>project right now in terms of replacing the bridge and

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with that that space. So has anybody pointed this out,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that continue to talk about all this extra

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and things and delays that has the governor of

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Ohio or the governor of Kentucky and

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<v Speaker 1>I know we got that to deal with, but put

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<v Speaker 1>their collective foot down and just said shut up. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what we've already contracted this out.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, Governor DeWine made some kind of statement about, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the people of Cincinnati should decide or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Conscious pilots washing his hands. The whole thing is that

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<v Speaker 1>it exactly well, he's got constituents they answer for, and

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<v Speaker 1>that'll be the taxpayers in every other county in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the other thing to keep in mind on

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<v Speaker 2>this Queen's Gate issue in the streetcar that the future

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<v Speaker 2>proofing is what about metro. I mean, they raised our

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<v Speaker 2>property taxes, or we agreed to raise our property taxes

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<v Speaker 2>so we could have a more robust metro, and rather

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<v Speaker 2>than use them going in and out of Queen's Gate,

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<v Speaker 2>they want to put a somebody's thinking they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>put a streetcar through there. It just it just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't I don't know how it can make sense

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody. I mean, you know, before they built the

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<v Speaker 1>damn streetcar, we were all saying, jeez, just look, make

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<v Speaker 1>buses look like streetcars. They can go around accidents, they

606
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<v Speaker 1>don't require the meeting. It's in upkeep that a street

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<v Speaker 1>car does. They're not permanent fixtures in the ground. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a traffic issue. The bus can take a left as

609
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<v Speaker 1>opposed to going straight. You know, I mean it, This

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<v Speaker 1>just makes more sense. They're they're they're immediately movable in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the roots they take. Yeah, so all these

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<v Speaker 1>things keep coming back up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they do. And the issue with the with the

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<v Speaker 2>Metro is that they only have like sixteen million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in operating revenue, but they opt their operating budget is

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<v Speaker 2>almost one hundred and thirty million dollars. So the difference

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<v Speaker 2>there is your are your property taxes. And the fact

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<v Speaker 2>is I think if you look at what they're spending

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<v Speaker 2>money on, they've probably got more money than they know

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<v Speaker 2>what to do with. In fact, they are. They have

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of grant program where they give money to

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<v Speaker 2>jurisdictions to do things about Metro. I mean, they've got

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<v Speaker 2>so much money now that they have this tax increase,

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<v Speaker 2>that they're flush. They have no issues with money whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about metros Metro, Yes, yes, yeah, Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll go back to the deteriorating nature of the

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure within the City of Cincinnati. Generally speaking, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>listener out there that you should call in Fred and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, I just want my damn road fix. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>look at they've got potholes all over. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>my road fix. That's the constant refrain from the average

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<v Speaker 1>person in the city. And my constant complained about I

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<v Speaker 1>mean again, sunset my favorite illustration. That road looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it's been through either Afghanistan war or it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it's from Syria and they just imported it as is,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's looked that way for years. They let everything

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<v Speaker 1>fall apart while they chase that for these shiny bright objects,

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<v Speaker 1>when I think most taxpayers would be just comfortable with

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<v Speaker 1>them keeping and maintaining what we've got already.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you, Brian, that that should be

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<v Speaker 2>the use of the railway money.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's pause from and we'll have one more with with

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<v Speaker 1>Todd Zinzer and maybe we can talk about property taxes

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more. I don't know if you saw

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<v Speaker 1>what happened the other day in Columbus. They had a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of legislation to help maybe deal with this property

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<v Speaker 1>tax reality, and well it just doesn't quite do enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking, what are you gonna throw out the

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<v Speaker 1>decent for the sake of the perfect they had a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to do it. It's been laying around for years.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're going on vacation, so they're going to start

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<v Speaker 1>all over again next year. Hang on one more with Todd

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<v Speaker 1>Zender before we get to judge anapollo time. It's eight

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<v Speaker 1>Cullen Colin Electric family in an operator for a long

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<v Speaker 1>long time, a plus with a better business viewer. Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>oiled crew, well oil machine they are. They do work efficiently,

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<v Speaker 1>they take great care of your home, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>the price is always right when you have the electric

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<v Speaker 1>work done by Colin Electric Outlet installation, that's an easy one.

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<v Speaker 1>Have Culhin do it, but rewire your whole home to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of aluminum or knob in tube. Absolutely, they

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<v Speaker 1>wired up my whole house generator, like to point out,

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<v Speaker 1>and they did all the electrical work from a bathroom

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<v Speaker 1>remodeling projects. Any electric project I've had done over the

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<v Speaker 1>many many years has been done by Cullen. You'll be

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<v Speaker 2>This is fifty five KRC an iHeartRadio station. I think

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<v Speaker 2>at Hunkolenoscopy tests.

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<v Speaker 1>And Brian Thomas with Todd Zenzer, former Inspector General, knows

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<v Speaker 1>what he's talking about when it comes to dollars and

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<v Speaker 1>cents and managing projects and looking at them. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course he spent the first three quarters of an hour

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<v Speaker 1>last segment in this dealing with the Brent Spn's Bid

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<v Speaker 1>Bid project and all of the dreams and stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>things that others want to go along with it, which

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<v Speaker 1>in the final analysis there's no money for. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you hear people talk about all this, just remember there's

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<v Speaker 1>no money for it, and it's not likely. I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe if a winning, a prayer or a miracle will happen,

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<v Speaker 1>it may come from Columbus or Frankfurt, but I highly

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<v Speaker 1>doubt that. And with Donald Trump taking over as president

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<v Speaker 1>again in vvak Ramaswammy and Elon Musk at the Helm

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<v Speaker 1>of Doge, I doubt we're going to see more federal

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<v Speaker 1>money coming at this project. Either the contract's been signed

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<v Speaker 1>designer build contract, they've already selected the contractor they've already

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<v Speaker 1>got a signed contract to do it. It's a finite

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money, so I guess let them talk. But

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<v Speaker 1>as we talked through it, it really is a work

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<v Speaker 1>of high comedy. And you know the use of the

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<v Speaker 1>west or the west side. I do note that there

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<v Speaker 1>are a whole lot of railroad lines over there, and

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<v Speaker 1>those are still used to a ferry goods through the area.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not getting rid of the railroads, are they no?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Price Hill, Lower Price Hill, East Price Hill, West

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<v Speaker 2>Price Hill. They're still going to be the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, fair enough? Now moving over to property taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone soiled themselves when they got the reassessment after COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>I know multiple people they had thirty percent increases and

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<v Speaker 1>you got seniors out there complaining there fixed incomes and

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<v Speaker 1>how can I handle this? They keep going up. We

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<v Speaker 1>know the price of real estate's gone up as a

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<v Speaker 1>natural reality. There is a solution. It must come from

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<v Speaker 1>Columbus here in the state of Ohio. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>a solution which sounded like a decent proposal to increase

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<v Speaker 1>the homestead exemption right that would help seniors primarily primarily Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was signed, sealed, delivered that I think the

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<v Speaker 1>House already even voter on it overwhelmingly. The only thing

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate had to do was pick it up and

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<v Speaker 1>sign it, and the governor probably would have signed it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I read the statement of some senator that was Blessing,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember who. I think he's to say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it really doesn't do quite as much or doesn't do enough.

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<v Speaker 1>So in other words, we're going to go into another

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<v Speaker 1>calendar year in another legislative session, and that means it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be thrown out and they'll have to start

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<v Speaker 1>from scratch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know exactly what Bill Blessing's concerns are,

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<v Speaker 2>but most of the other politicians they probably don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to put a fix in because it's going to reduce

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of income coming into the state. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>politicians have a hard time saying no, we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>more money from the taxpayers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I know it's a systemic problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I think that the issues with the homestead exemption.

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<v Speaker 2>As the House passed it, it had a cap of

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<v Speaker 2>forty thousand dollars, so it was for It was basically

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<v Speaker 2>designed for homeowners, longtime homeowners who are now on Social Security,

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<v Speaker 2>and any property tax increases are going to hit those people.

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<v Speaker 1>The heart artist, right, So that's why I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, you know, a small bite at the apple

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<v Speaker 1>is better than nothing at all, and there may be

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<v Speaker 1>some wild, grand solution the Blessing or somebody else has

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of their mind. But the price tag

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<v Speaker 1>on it, as I read it, was only like one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety six million dollars. It really it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>add it up to much at all when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the amount of taxpayer dollars that got into Columbus. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see the numbers, so I don't know. It's

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<v Speaker 2>worth talking of mister Blessing about see what his issues are,

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<v Speaker 2>just see whether they can be fixed in the next session.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe just said, yeah, I just get ready to say hey, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can get him on the Morning show. He

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<v Speaker 1>just he just uttered in my head said slim and none.

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<v Speaker 2>That's too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it is, but we have that problem with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of politicians. So Todd, I love the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you're willing to talk about this. You unravel and

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<v Speaker 1>unfold these quite complex and difficult issues and the easy

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<v Speaker 1>to understand components, which is wonderful for me because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>quite often, like when we started this conversation, this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing look like the peace of God passing all human understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>And you of course got me past that. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you helped out my listeners with it as well. And

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<v Speaker 1>even if you're outside the city of Cincinnati, and this

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<v Speaker 1>does affect northern Kentucky dramatically affects everybody in the greater

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati area. But just as a concept, when you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about government generally, and even just that point you made

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<v Speaker 1>about politicians Republican Democrat, they cannot cannot stop the flow

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<v Speaker 1>of money, and anything that's going to less than the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money that goes into their coffers they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be against. And I think we just hit the

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<v Speaker 1>nail on the head in terms of the broader problems

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<v Speaker 1>we face here in the country. Maybe that's where that

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven trillion dollar debt came from. Exactly, Todd. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful man. Merry Christmas, you and yours I have

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful holidays, and you and I will definitely talk next year.

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<v Speaker 1>You're always welcome on the Morning show.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Brian, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks brother e twenty five. Thanks for making it into

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<v Speaker 1>the studio too. I really appreciate that. Folks. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you can stick around because Judge Edapolitan is coming up,

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