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<v Speaker 1>We're Tom A Loarenz and this is the Pop Style

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<v Speaker 1>Opinion Fest. Hallikan is welcome back to another edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the Pso I am the teen, your te Low Tom Fitzgerald,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm here with the Low and your Telo and

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<v Speaker 1>the Lorenso my cousband loved the husband, you lovely. Husband

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<v Speaker 1>has been very busy. I knew we're planning our trip.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew there was a lot of want to tip

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<v Speaker 1>my hat and thank him publicly, Like you guys have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea. He does everything. I'm just like, tell me

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<v Speaker 1>where to show up and when to show up.

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<v Speaker 2>I just hand him the passport and we had to

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<v Speaker 2>does he.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely does, And we're going to have a fabulous time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>We leave on Saturday for Edinburgh. Yes, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>spend some time there, then a little bit of time

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<v Speaker 1>in Dublin, then a little bit of time in Donnengaal

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<v Speaker 1>for Internet we're attending, and then we go back to

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<v Speaker 1>Dublin and then we fly home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very exciting, very exciting, and we're hitting the parts

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe that are not I know, in the throes

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<v Speaker 1>of a heat. I mean we'll be in Scotland and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean We've been checking the temperatures and it

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<v Speaker 2>looks okay, you know, as opposed to everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Has be very rainy, which is the Scottish experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I mean I expect that. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>everything I've been reading says that you can have a

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<v Speaker 2>predict what the weather's going to be. So we're just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go and enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you we are flying out on which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>I I don't even know what I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Very very interested. I have no idea. What what is

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<v Speaker 1>an airport like on July fourth? Are they full? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it full of people or is it empty? No?

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<v Speaker 2>They say Thursday is the worst day.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine people are traveling on the dead probably yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but then again we're hitting the international gates, so who knows. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it'll be interesting. Like I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 1>time we're leaving for the airwork. Because you have to remember,

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<v Speaker 1>folks were in Philadelphia right. Not only are we in Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 1>we are in the historic Section. The Betsy Ross, Betsy

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<v Speaker 1>Ross's House, Benjamin Franklin's Grave, and the Liberty Bell are

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<v Speaker 1>all within three blocks of where we live, so we

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<v Speaker 1>are like a ground zero of patriotism at this time

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<v Speaker 1>of year, but I don't, and the World Cup's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>so we have a lot of you know, I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what traffic is going to be like that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Our flight isn't until the evening, but I have a

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<v Speaker 1>feeling mister planner here is going to have us sitting

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<v Speaker 1>at the gate at nine o'clock that morning.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but but we're gonna have to leave early anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>It is what it is. I don't know what I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking. I guess I was just thinking. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that we needed to be there a certain day

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<v Speaker 2>and wasn't thinking about the holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't make a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't make any difference because if I had booked it

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday or or you know, Thursday or whatever, it's

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<v Speaker 2>still crazy. It's been crazy. It's been crazy. You go

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<v Speaker 2>out on the street because we go to the gym

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<v Speaker 2>near us here, it's the streets are packed with tourists.

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<v Speaker 1>It's packed with World Cup people, and it's it's packed

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<v Speaker 1>with patriotism fans. That's the thing We've talked about this before,

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, the cutest time of year. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people in flag clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>I love walking.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, yes and no, I've said this before.

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<v Speaker 1>I do love it. But we've mentioned this before. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a tourist area in the summer, and you will

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<v Speaker 1>quite often be asked directions somewhere by tourists, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it's very common for people to walk up to you

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<v Speaker 1>in their American flag t shirts and their American flag

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<v Speaker 1>ball caps and everything and ask for directions or ask

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<v Speaker 1>A common one is where's a good to get a

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<v Speaker 1>cheese steak? And more than once, more than a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>times over the years, I have opened my mouth to

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<v Speaker 1>speak to people and they I could see the reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to my big gay voice. You're homosexual, And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a good I mean it was you know, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's people from out of town, let's put.

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<v Speaker 2>It that way.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get all kinds of you get all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of just and sometimes the people most likely to wear

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<v Speaker 1>an American flag ball cap are the same people who

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk to a flaming homosexual about cheese steaks.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still like, I mean, they have like school

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<v Speaker 2>groups and you know, like stuff like that, which is adorable. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you see those kids, you know, visiting every place and

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<v Speaker 2>they get all excited about it. I like it. I

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<v Speaker 2>like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I having said that, I am not. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>originally felt some kind of way about us exiting the

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<v Speaker 1>Country Lifeboard on the two hundred the anniversary. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't do that, And then as the day kept getting closer,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, I'm not. I'll be honest, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>feeling this whole two hundred and fifty thing right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is something I'm segueing into this. Before I

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<v Speaker 1>segue into this, let me just give you the late lamb.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk a little bit about the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Great American Fair happening in Washington, d C. And

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<v Speaker 1>what a debacle that is. We're going to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about that those silly people who climb the

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<v Speaker 1>Empire State Building yesterday. We're gonna talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about Taylor and Travis's wedding because it's getting entirely out

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<v Speaker 1>of hand. And we're going to talk about how said

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<v Speaker 1>the Dragons second episode of the third season, which shut

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<v Speaker 1>my mouth on everything I was complaining about the show

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<v Speaker 1>lest truly last podcast, and then they come out with

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<v Speaker 1>this fucking banger of an episode that I'm like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in it. I'm fully in it, all right. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's what we're talking about, Philly. If you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>plans and your aunt anywhere within driving distance, I gotta say,

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<v Speaker 1>Philly's looking great for July fourth. There's so much The

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<v Speaker 1>city looks great. I Dina Menzel is giving a concert

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<v Speaker 1>two blocks of our apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>If it wasn't so hot and we didn't have all

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<v Speaker 1>our packing to do, I would go down there. We

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed her one time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, she's lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>The celebrations look great, the city looks great, and uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You never hear me pump up Philly, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>the one time I'm going to do it. Because all

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<v Speaker 1>the money went.

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<v Speaker 2>To d C.

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<v Speaker 1>As his case, like, as a Philadelphian, I have watched

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<v Speaker 1>New York and DC and Boston grabbed the glory when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to July fourth, Bitch, that's ours, that's ours.

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<v Speaker 1>It happened here, I know exactly. Boston you get the

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<v Speaker 1>tea party, New York you get everything else. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is us, this is us not and whatever the problem

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<v Speaker 1>the DC thing I think has, it's made me even

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<v Speaker 1>more depressed. About the state of the country, the debacle

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<v Speaker 1>of the Great American Fair debacle. First off, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we never get into Trump on this thing, because God almighty,

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<v Speaker 1>who the fuck wants to listen to us talk about that?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just depressing For the most part. We want

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<v Speaker 1>our site, our podcast to be a place where you

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<v Speaker 1>can get away from that sort of stressful stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in terms of like the national mood or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that I don't think anything can sum it up

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<v Speaker 1>than that swampy ass looking thing that nobody is attending.

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<v Speaker 1>All the stars are canceling, can none of the stars

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<v Speaker 1>are doing concerts, are even like fucking vanilla ice canceling.

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<v Speaker 1>The reflecting pool is loaded with algae and floaties and god,

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<v Speaker 1>ducks are dying in it, and the whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>just so damn depressing. It's And then on the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>they're apparently going to set off eight hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand fireworks, which because they want to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>Guinness Book of World's Records, and they're telling people, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you might have to wear a mask, you might not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to breathe, and it's some people might want

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<v Speaker 1>to stay inside. What is the point of having a

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<v Speaker 1>fireworks thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, yeah, I mean I I I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to stay away from all of this. We've been so

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<v Speaker 2>focused on traveling, and like I said, it is nice

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<v Speaker 2>to see all the people here celebrating because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it is it is something to celebrate. And I guess

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<v Speaker 2>if you do it your way without the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pumping circumstance that we're seeing in DC, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even see pump. It's it's shitty game shows.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I would welcome pomp and circumstance. I would welcome a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of grandeur. But that arch, that vinyl cardboard

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<v Speaker 1>arch that everyone's been making fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Of, and it looks just like the arc the trip

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<v Speaker 2>in Paris. It's, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Plastic and it looks like it would blow over in

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<v Speaker 1>a strong storm. I don't even understand. I got to say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>why did you plan all these outdoor events for DC

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<v Speaker 1>in July? It is a swamp, it is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not a place people want to be at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, not outside.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we've been there and it's it's brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, I just don't think having

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<v Speaker 1>everything outdoor is on the Mall in July when temperatures

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<v Speaker 1>were very likely going to hit over a hundred. Just

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing has been incredibly poorly planned. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>about It wasn't planned by people who have a real

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<v Speaker 1>love of this country and want who celebrated. It was

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<v Speaker 1>planned by people who only know how to celebrate themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's tacky and it's cheap, and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to try and break a world record and they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>going to wind up setting the Capitol on fire when

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<v Speaker 1>they do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's I think it has a lot to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the fact that it it's not a celebration for everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, clearly clearly not clearly not. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>people are turned off by it. Yeah, most people are,

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<v Speaker 2>so Yeah. I mean it doesn't feel like you're celebrating

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<v Speaker 2>everybody as you should as a country, and that's not happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, why would you participate if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel like you're going to be celebrating yourself in

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<v Speaker 2>your community. It's tough, it's sad that, but again, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's just very interesting that everything that is important happens

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<v Speaker 2>when he's mad this minute in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently he wants to give a two hour speech

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<v Speaker 1>in like one hundred and eight degree weather, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you should.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I'll say.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Yeah whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's depressing, and I think all all smart

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<v Speaker 1>America and should probably just not give it their attention

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Go to your local thing, go to your

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<v Speaker 1>local fireworks. Come here to Philly. Yeah, but do not

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<v Speaker 1>even pay attention to that. It's very pretty right now,

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<v Speaker 1>sad little debacle, that cheap ass looking thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to see it. So, yeah, we have

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<v Speaker 1>You just reminded me because the Second Bank of Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and Bank.

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<v Speaker 1>Street is where Harlow's nightclub was. Harlow was the trans

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<v Speaker 1>we will not be publishing the book. But in a

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<v Speaker 1>Association of Gay Lesbian Journalists and excellent some profile writing.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a beautiful article in the Philadelphia Inquiry. You

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<v Speaker 2>can find it online and it's really really wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm very proud of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I'm glad you got that kind of record recognition. Yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So that's our July fourth stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So enjoyed the holiday. You know, celebrate however you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like celebrating. Remember you still American, You still should be

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, celebrate with your people. Don't worry about those fucking

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah up as just celebrate the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just yeah, don't give them your energy. I'm actually,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was like, you know what, I really

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't Philly. It does look great though, and

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back. We're back, and just to kill

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<v Speaker 1>some time, we're going to talk about those dumbasses who

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<v Speaker 1>climbed to the top of the Empire State Building yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>In case you missed it, yesterday, a couple climbed to

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the spire of the Empire State Building,

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<v Speaker 1>where they unfurled a banner when the Power that read

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<v Speaker 1>when the power of Love beats the love of power,

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<v Speaker 1>the world knows peace. And then I should also mention

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<v Speaker 1>that they were wearing cat masks and that he got

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<v Speaker 1>down and prompatly got arrested. Their names are I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as it happened literally as soon as it

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<v Speaker 1>popped up on social media. Oh my god, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple climbing the spire. I was like, all right, what

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<v Speaker 1>are they promoting? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So it turns out her name is Angela Nicolau and

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<v Speaker 1>her name is his name is Evon Berkus, and they

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<v Speaker 1>had a Netflix documentary that came out in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four called Skywalker's a Love Story. Now, they weren't promoting

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<v Speaker 1>that documentary it came out two years ago, but clearly

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bit of attention. See can going on there?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think? I mean, it's the usual of social

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<v Speaker 2>media thing. How many people have died climbing shit and

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, falling and dying and because they went

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<v Speaker 2>a picture because they want something for their social media

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<v Speaker 2>account and to promote whatever this is it I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and and the funny thing you go online because that's

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite part to read the comments and they're divided.

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<v Speaker 1>They think it's amazing. How are you going to beat that? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the part that I'm like, what first thought? They

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<v Speaker 1>were called activists in the additional report, I'm like, just

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<v Speaker 1>because they unfurl the flag does not make them activists.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fame whores and with no fear of heights, which

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<v Speaker 1>which I admire because I watched some of the footage

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<v Speaker 1>and like they're standing there and like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I could never do that. No, never do that with

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<v Speaker 1>no protection whatsoever. But they do that all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And and and it's usually I legal stuff they do.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they climb these things without any any permit

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<v Speaker 1>or any that's the thing. Not to sound like such

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<v Speaker 1>a hall monitor or cop, but like the the Empire

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<v Speaker 1>State Building released a statement and said, at no point

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<v Speaker 1>was anyone in any danger. And I'm like, that is

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<v Speaker 1>so very clearly true, because putting aside the danger that

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<v Speaker 1>they put themselves in, if they fall right, literally anybody

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<v Speaker 1>underneath them is in danger.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, But let's let's forget these two in and

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<v Speaker 2>what if it was like some terrorist attack or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>to bomb the whole thing down. I mean, think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been to the Empire shape, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Its on the observation deck in December.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been there about like three times, maybe now or

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<v Speaker 2>four times. I've taken my mom, my brother, everybody. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you get yelled at five guards before you

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<v Speaker 2>get to the top. I mean to do certain things.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk this way, go this way, don't walk here, don't

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<v Speaker 2>do this. How did these people get all the way

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<v Speaker 2>up there with nobody stopping them? That's that's I don't well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean once you got to figure once, once they

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<v Speaker 1>start the climb, there's no way to stop them, climb

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<v Speaker 1>after them, and no security guard is doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>But my place, how do you get there without some

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<v Speaker 2>security person you know, watching your I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean on the observation deck if you wanted to, you

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<v Speaker 1>could climb on over it and get up to the spire.

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<v Speaker 1>Many nuts to do so. But anyway, what bothers me

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<v Speaker 1>is that, you know, it's just a tension seeking nonsense

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<v Speaker 1>that people tend to like, Oh it's so romant, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, all right, but copycats exist, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, that is a security risk, like someone

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<v Speaker 1>could go up there with a bomb or something, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I know that sounds hysterical, you know it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and I get it. But my point is, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not proclaiming potential disaster. And I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>have an idea of whether those two should be. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the law about any of this. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't feel like it's anything admirable or something that

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<v Speaker 1>we should be praising them for.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the thing that bothers me with social media

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<v Speaker 2>and these people doing these things to get you know, attention,

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<v Speaker 2>is that it's such it's so disruptive. You see all

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<v Speaker 2>these videos of people, you know, playing these pranks and

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff, you know, you know, talking to people

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<v Speaker 2>and making fun of people and filming them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. I think it's such it's so

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<v Speaker 2>invasive to me, you know, to the public that you

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<v Speaker 2>just decide that you're going to make fun of somebody

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<v Speaker 2>or or or you're going to create a situation so

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<v Speaker 2>that you can get hits on your social media, pretending,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do whatever, fight so all kinds of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>just to get attention, just to get people to click

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<v Speaker 2>on whatever you're showing and you know, get your money.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's right too much. I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>think there are worse things they could have done. And

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I'm not suggesting that they, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the book should be thrown at them, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>agree when people treat this as some sort of harmless thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't know how harmless that is, they

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<v Speaker 2>put people in danger. Regardless of what the Empire State

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<v Speaker 2>Buildings says. If either of them had fallen off that building,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody below them was going to be in danger of

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<v Speaker 2>what would happen when the impact when they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hit the street.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just don't believe that. I also, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're lucky that know, like ambitious security guard tried to

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<v Speaker 1>go after them, because then what if someone someone did

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<v Speaker 1>stupidly try and get them to come down and then

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<v Speaker 1>injure themselves. This is what I mean. None of this

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<v Speaker 1>happens in a vacuum. You're not the time, you do

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<v Speaker 1>not exist in your own little world. You did this

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a very very busy, you know, metropolis,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's an organism. Everybody gets affected by what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to assign people to go after them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to to to arrest him, all that that those are resources.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasted of this attention seeking moment again not some grand

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<v Speaker 1>crime whatever. But I just don't feel that these things

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<v Speaker 1>are neutral.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't. I yeah, yeah, I find the whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing at the very I think especially the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're not even from here. You come here

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<v Speaker 2>and then you do shit like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Okay, that sounds weirdly anti immigrant. Now, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a little like, I mean, you're visiting and then you

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<v Speaker 1>breaking a law, breaking the law.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I just feel a little like you

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<v Speaker 2>have no yeah, authoritation to do what you're doing. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Just feels a little weird to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, moving on to that other New York

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<v Speaker 1>couple who is dominating the city at the moment. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor and Travis's wedding, which apparently is happening in the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of days. Supposedly it's happening tomorrow. Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>uh I wondered briefly. I was like, oh shit, we're

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<v Speaker 1>leaving on Saturday. We won't be able to cover it.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's not going to be caught, like she is

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my understanding is that you know, people are going

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<v Speaker 2>to go into the thing that you're not even not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna You're not going to even see who's coming as

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it was all that covered. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>covered entrance. And I think, so why the fuck? Because

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<v Speaker 1>you want your privacy, you want to celebrate, you want

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<v Speaker 1>your privacy, So you're having it at Madison Square Garden.

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<v Speaker 2>I questioned that a lot. I was like, why of

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<v Speaker 2>all places? But then I was watching listening to NPR

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, and there is an explanation. I mean, she's

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<v Speaker 2>done a lot there, like apparently her first talent show

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<v Speaker 2>competition when she was a kid, like twelve years old

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever in two thousand and three. I believe I

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<v Speaker 2>was there, So she has this sort of attachment to

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<v Speaker 2>the place. You know, she performed there many times. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a fan of games and all that, so she

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<v Speaker 2>wants to do it there. Listen. I always feel.

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<v Speaker 1>The plans are getting a little out of hand, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what else do you expect is tell a

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<v Speaker 2>Swift getting married. So of course it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Into a football player.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye, it's going to it's like Princess Diana level of

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<v Speaker 2>attention on them. You know, yes, obviously it's like the

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<v Speaker 2>Princess of America getting married and yeah, And I'm here's

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00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.759
<v Speaker 2>my thing. I can't stand weddings in general. I think

423
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<v Speaker 2>it's too much attention on them the whole time. That's

424
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<v Speaker 2>my take on ye. I'm not a wedding person, but

425
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<v Speaker 2>I understand.

426
00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:59.599
<v Speaker 1>So I think our own wedding was thirty five people

427
00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.960
<v Speaker 1>in around. We just bought everybody dinner. We just did

428
00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.240
<v Speaker 1>not want some big, showy, look at us thing.

429
00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:08.160
<v Speaker 2>We closed the restaurant and then then had just a

430
00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.039
<v Speaker 2>celebration with family and friends. But that's us.

431
00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:11.759
<v Speaker 1>That's us.

432
00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Family members have you know, got married much bigger venues

433
00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:20.880
<v Speaker 2>and done wonderful things. I think it's your day. You

434
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<v Speaker 2>do whatever you want to do. It's your day, your celebration,

435
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and and you should do whatever fu is right for you.

436
00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:31.839
<v Speaker 2>And when you have money and that kind of fame

437
00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:34.240
<v Speaker 2>and attention on you, of course is going to be huge.

438
00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.359
<v Speaker 2>So I wasn't expecting anything small. I mean it is

439
00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:40.519
<v Speaker 2>going to be big. They're talking about, well maybe they're

440
00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:44.039
<v Speaker 2>getting married someplace else, and that's just a place where

441
00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:46.000
<v Speaker 2>fames are going to go to watch the wedding, which

442
00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:49.079
<v Speaker 2>is crazy. That's not just i'sstand.

443
00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.519
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because you would think I want I want

444
00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:56.599
<v Speaker 1>to find out about the dress because we write about fashion,

445
00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>but I'm actually like, I want to see how this

446
00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.319
<v Speaker 1>is going to be stay right, Like, how are you

447
00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.640
<v Speaker 1>processing in what is the is all of this happening

448
00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:08.599
<v Speaker 1>on a stage or so all the seats are empty.

449
00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.359
<v Speaker 1>You're in like an empty venue with a thousand people

450
00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and then thirty thousand empty seat or actually more.

451
00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Than I don't remember what it looks like inside. Is

452
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.480
<v Speaker 2>it a theater or is it as.

453
00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:25.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like a yeah,

454
00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:28.599
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's an arena, so it's whatever they would

455
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.640
<v Speaker 1>share the basketball games in there. They have concerts in there,

456
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:35.079
<v Speaker 1>so you know, it's not a it's not a personium stage.

457
00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:38.920
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a center court. So I guess that's what happened.

458
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>And apparently there's I mean, I just I think it's

459
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<v Speaker 1>going to be so over the top engross, but we're

460
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<v Speaker 1>probably not going to see pictures. Apparently there was a

461
00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:50.039
<v Speaker 1>castle set. There's like this fairy tale. It's so they're

462
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.839
<v Speaker 1>going to be so we I mean, they're they're they're

463
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:55.319
<v Speaker 1>monitoring everything that goes inside that place.

464
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>And apparently there's like castle parts.

465
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean we'll see. Well see, let's say it's

466
00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:05.920
<v Speaker 1>your day or in your thirties, it's your day. This

467
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>is a prom Listen to me. I know, I believe

468
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.319
<v Speaker 1>you're being so because I feel like.

469
00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:13.680
<v Speaker 2>It's your day. You do whatever you feel like doing it,

470
00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:15.160
<v Speaker 2>and if you have the power and the money to

471
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.720
<v Speaker 2>do it, it's a billionaire or whatever they're doing. I mean,

472
00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.480
<v Speaker 2>people spend millions, you know, on their weddings if they

473
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:22.839
<v Speaker 2>have the money, because they feel like they that's the

474
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.880
<v Speaker 2>way they should be celebrating. I like small things, elegant things,

475
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:27.240
<v Speaker 2>you know.

476
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:31.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have newfound respect for Thomas Anddeia. They just

477
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>did it. Nobody even knows what she wore or when

478
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:38.480
<v Speaker 1>it happened. I mean, actually think they're lying about that.

479
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the wedding hasn't happened yet, although they are

480
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>wearing the I think they're wearing wedding bands. But I

481
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:47.519
<v Speaker 1>still think there's a wedding that they haven't had yet, right.

482
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we just saw Dalle and what's his name

483
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Turner get married and it was big. It wasn't as

484
00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:56.559
<v Speaker 2>big I guess, but it was big in Italy.

485
00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I understand celebrity weddings are big things, but I mean

486
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.519
<v Speaker 1>ranting out Madison Square garden and building a castle inside

487
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:08.839
<v Speaker 1>it is wow. But that is a lot, even for you,

488
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift.

489
00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:13.119
<v Speaker 2>I know, but they're not known for their taste, so

490
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 2>so and more subtle or again yes, and they're famous,

491
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:19.079
<v Speaker 2>and like, I mean, come on, I knew that they

492
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.000
<v Speaker 2>was gonna come. Taylors was gonna get married and it

493
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:22.799
<v Speaker 2>was going to be huge.

494
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:25.920
<v Speaker 1>So I'm assuming they're confiscating everybody's phone as they go

495
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.920
<v Speaker 1>in and all that sort of nonsense. I wonder who

496
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:29.839
<v Speaker 1>her bridesmaids are.

497
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean her friends that those hind sisters or whatever.

498
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, I know, but she's got a lot of

499
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Speaker 1>famous late friends, so maybe she's one of those. Is

500
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna have like fifty brides Well that's the trend.

501
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Now you have twenty five, you know, people next to you,

502
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.480
<v Speaker 2>so lessen money, money, money, money, There is no limit

503
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:52.599
<v Speaker 2>to whatever they can dream of for the day. And

504
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.839
<v Speaker 2>like I said, today, enjoy break his.

505
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Ship and even for her, I'm like, wow, that is

506
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot. Is a level of it? Is I just

507
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I you know, yeah, whatever, like you said, she's got

508
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the money, she's allowed to do it. And we said

509
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.400
<v Speaker 1>this a couple of weeks when we were talking about it.

510
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:15.079
<v Speaker 1>I actually this might come off naive, but I do

511
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.319
<v Speaker 1>think this is it for her. I don't I do think,

512
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:20.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's done, like this is the man she's

513
00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Unless there's some disaster, no, I think I think, yeah,

514
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I think that they're gonna be always the case with

515
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.079
<v Speaker 1>the marriage. But yeah, I just I think that is

516
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>how she's treating it. I waited a long time for

517
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>this one, and I am not doing this again.

518
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I like this is I think she found her man.

519
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh and she's she's had an amazing career. Not that

520
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.160
<v Speaker 2>she's going to stop doing whatever she's doing, but you know,

521
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 2>there's one big career here that she can be very

522
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:48.200
<v Speaker 2>proud of.

523
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:52.119
<v Speaker 1>It's why I think she's gonna be She's gonna have

524
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 1>a baby very very.

525
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Probably and then continue her career, maybe a different way

526
00:26:57.960 --> 00:26:59.920
<v Speaker 2>of you know, creating art.

527
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:04.480
<v Speaker 1>We'll see that baby is going to be crowned, especially

528
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:06.680
<v Speaker 1>if it's a girl. Oh my god, she has a

529
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:11.039
<v Speaker 1>daughter that she will be princess whatever. Yeah, but that's

530
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 1>that's that's how it is. I wished him well and

531
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:19.160
<v Speaker 1>enjoy their billionaires. I wish them as much as enjoy it.

532
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Just I can wish any billionaire well. But uh yeah,

533
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm not unhappy for them. Go go have have your big, tacky,

534
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.559
<v Speaker 1>ostentatious wedding and I will do my best to cover

535
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:32.319
<v Speaker 1>it depending on any pictures.

536
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she likes the contruth.

537
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Why would you have such an attention seeking style of wedding?

538
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 1>And then I mean, what's the point in having that

539
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 1>castle set if no one's going, Well, I guess your

540
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:49.839
<v Speaker 1>guests are going to see it, and that's all that matters

541
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:50.119
<v Speaker 1>to you.

542
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I think you can. I think you can have any

543
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.920
<v Speaker 2>enormous wedding, huge celebration just for the people you invited.

544
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you have to have that. I can.

545
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>And I mean she could have had it on a

546
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>private island somewhere like. Instead she had it in the

547
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:10.519
<v Speaker 1>busiest dansas city in America in its major venue.

548
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Because apparently in New York means a lot to her,

549
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe. And Madison Square Garden also means a

550
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 2>lot to her.

551
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>So I guess, yeah, all right, listen, I go with

552
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>with whatever. Wow, this is a new found now, It's just.

553
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:34.000
<v Speaker 2>That it is a uh. We get invited to weddings

554
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot, and I go because I love the people

555
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:39.440
<v Speaker 2>that are getting married, but it's it's always a lot

556
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>to me. Weddings are a lot. And but you know,

557
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I also respect that that's your day and then you

558
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:46.519
<v Speaker 2>get to celebrate.

559
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:50.119
<v Speaker 1>However, you feel like the other thing is with a

560
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 1>wedding this elaborate. There has to be pre parties, after parties,

561
00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 1>brunch hit like there's it's a whole weekend.

562
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean it would happened to be.

563
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although I would be surprised if any of that

564
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:08.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff was happening in New York City, but maybe it is.

565
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.079
<v Speaker 1>The thing is, you can't rent out a restaurant or

566
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a hall or whatever without people knowing. So I'm just

567
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.279
<v Speaker 1>very curious about what what supplemental. There's no way this

568
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 1>is the main event and that's all they're I think.

569
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 2>I think one reason also to do to do the

570
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.319
<v Speaker 2>wedding at Medicine Career Garden it is because it's easy

571
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>to it's easier to contrue. I mean people can't you know, well.

572
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>They're blocking it off from blocks in several directions, so

573
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.079
<v Speaker 1>it's not easy. It's it's actually elaborate.

574
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean they're doing all the work to protect

575
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 2>that that you know dome.

576
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:41.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

577
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>So so so nobody can like you know, jump on

578
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 2>the roof or or you know, break a window to

579
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.839
<v Speaker 2>see the wedding. Yeah. I mean it to day lady

580
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>to day.

581
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.720
<v Speaker 1>And I mean I'm assuming that, like the reception is

582
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>in the probably you can't just I mean, I well.

583
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.359
<v Speaker 2>They they had they saw trucks bringing food and apparently

584
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>there's okay, yeah, there's chicken, there's chicken. There's all kind

585
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.640
<v Speaker 2>of been things delivered. And they apparently named the chef

586
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 2>that I can't remember his name right now. He's a

587
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>very famous chef. So I guess they're gonna yeah. I

588
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>mean it's a huge place, right, they can do everything

589
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>in there, they can stay there for days.

590
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Supposedly the dress is dere.

591
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.519
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, yes, Like I said, it's gonna be a

592
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>very traditional I think I'd be shocked if she went

593
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.079
<v Speaker 2>with the Kelvin Kleine kind of like modern modern look

594
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.640
<v Speaker 2>satin white sat. No, I don't think that's gonna be.

595
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's gonna be a little lathe thirty pounds

596
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 2>laise very deal, which again, hey go dere right, and

597
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean why not. I mean I would go Dior

598
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Chanelle if I had the money.

599
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:54.359
<v Speaker 1>And she got the money. All right, that's it for that.

600
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Why don't we take a short break and when we

601
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>come back, we're going to talk about House of the Dragon.

602
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>We're back and now we're going to talk about season three,

603
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 1>episode two of House of the Dragon, Queen's Landing and

604
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>it you know should go without saying this. This part

605
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:13.799
<v Speaker 1>of the conversation is going to be full of spoilers.

606
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.759
<v Speaker 1>But it aired three nights ago, so you know, if

607
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 1>you haven't watched it yet, get on that, especially since,

608
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>as I said, I was ambivalent about coming back to

609
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>House of the Dragon. When these shows take so much

610
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>time off, it's very hard for me to get excited

611
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>about them coming back. And as I've said in the

612
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:38.680
<v Speaker 1>past about this show, I don't think the story, the

613
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>basic story is interesting at all, and sometimes the show

614
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 1>is can be a real slog not because there's nobody

615
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to root for it and there is nobody to root for,

616
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>but there's nobody having any fun with it. There's no one,

617
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>there's no sense of real fun in how the story's told.

618
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>It's very very great and you know, if that's what

619
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you're looking for, that's what you're looking for, but it's

620
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it can be hard for me to sustain an interest

621
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>in a story like this. And last after last week's

622
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:15.559
<v Speaker 1>episode with Jasarah's you know, getting plugged with arrows and

623
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>sinking beneath the ocean. I was like, these people are

624
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>all fucking idiots, Like they're all dumb and corrupt and

625
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>evil people. And like I said last week, if it

626
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 1>was fun to watch that, then I wouldn't have a complaint.

627
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.279
<v Speaker 1>But the show can get very self serious, it can

628
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 1>get very morose, and sometimes that really weighs it down.

629
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>And now I loved this episode. In fact, I think

630
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 1>it was one of the best in the series, and

631
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I would rank it high with any of the highest

632
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>House of the I mean Game of Thrones episodes. Part

633
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>of the I'm sorry, I totally agree with you.

634
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.839
<v Speaker 2>I was. I absolutely loved the episode. And first of all,

635
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>we was stunning beautiful. I mean, they spend so much money,

636
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 2>it is gorgeous. But I also think that a show

637
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>like this that that realized heavily on on on fights

638
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 2>and and and you know and history and all that

639
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>and death and family, they have to bring what they

640
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>what I think they brought this episode, It is emotion,

641
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, like it's people feeling something. Yeah, can I

642
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:26.119
<v Speaker 2>just And when you bring that in, then then you

643
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:27.400
<v Speaker 2>know they become humans.

644
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 1>That's it. Uh, Because going off my point, what I

645
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>was saying, was this episode did not suddenly make these

646
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>characters more fun to watch. Certainly no one was having

647
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 1>like a campy moment or anything like that. It was

648
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>still very, very self serious. But you nailed it. I

649
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>felt like people were acting like people like people were

650
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>even because of that, the drama was engaging. But really

651
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 1>the number one thing for me throughout this episode, I

652
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.720
<v Speaker 1>kept thinking of myself, Wow, this is so well written

653
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:05.799
<v Speaker 1>when you think of the number of moving parts in

654
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:10.039
<v Speaker 1>this story and the number of people with opposing agendas

655
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 1>and overlapping agendas, right, and the fact that you can

656
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 1>keep track of this without even trying all that hard.

657
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Because I said that going into this season, I was like,

658
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing the research. I'm not doing any of it.

659
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>These episodes have to stand on their own, I agree,

660
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>And this episode I was like, Wow, there is so

661
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 1>much going on. There are so many people moving back

662
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.039
<v Speaker 1>and forth throughout these scenes, and I get it. I

663
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:40.719
<v Speaker 1>get all of it. And when we were watching Allison

664
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 1>desperately trying to manage that situation, I was like, Wow,

665
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.400
<v Speaker 1>this is all so fucked up because they set all

666
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.639
<v Speaker 1>the pieces up so well, Like, I don't know that

667
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Alison knew that Jasiras was dead.

668
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't probably not.

669
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how Lady Jane of the Veil who

670
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 1>told Ryana that he was I don't know how she

671
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 1>knew that, but whatever, there's spies or whatever. But I

672
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 1>did not get the impression that Alison understood that that

673
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Cessaras was dead. They didn't know a lot of things.

674
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>They didn't know a lot of it, didn't know about

675
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>her father, right, there's a lot. So there were all

676
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>of these moving parts and then like Rhyania, and again

677
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like you don't realize that until a character voice

678
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:31.519
<v Speaker 1>is this. They Rania and Damon came into the castle

679
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>thinking they were going to find Agon there and they

680
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:38.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't even know that Agon is gone, which makes it

681
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 1>makes to show more reo, I think, because but yeah,

682
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>that's the part of it that it's like nobody text

683
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>he that works really well is that lack of communication.

684
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:50.159
<v Speaker 1>To be honest, this was something that Tolkien was really

685
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.599
<v Speaker 1>really big on h in his work, and I guess

686
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 1>George R. R. Martin has has brought that into it. The

687
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>idea that when you have this many moving parts, when

688
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you have these many people with agendas and everything lack

689
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 1>of communication can be an absolute disaster people who don't

690
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:08.559
<v Speaker 1>know what's going on.

691
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:10.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you saw that a lot with Lord of the Rings,

692
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.039
<v Speaker 2>where situations happening and and and things moving right separately.

693
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, they didn't even know.

694
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I did love that all throughout the episode

695
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:27.719
<v Speaker 1>as Alison, who I disliked tumendously, but you could feel it,

696
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the rising panic in her throat and everything as she

697
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>was trying to manage this situation, and she actually did

698
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.559
<v Speaker 1>at the end of it. She actually did manage the

699
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>situation really well and survived an attempted rape on top

700
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 1>of it.

701
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I know, which which apparently he's not part of the book.

702
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 1>I didn't mind it. There were people getting mad at it,

703
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 1>because of course House of the Dragon was sort of

704
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 1>infamous for that, for having far too many scenes of

705
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.519
<v Speaker 1>sexual assault and kind of lingering on that thing. Give

706
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 1>me Lord of the Rings not I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah,

707
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Game of Thrones lingered on that had too many rape

708
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:10.119
<v Speaker 1>scenes in it. But House of the Dragon is, more

709
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:14.760
<v Speaker 1>so than Game of Thrones ever, was specifically about patriarchal systems.

710
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>It's about women seeking power in systems that don't allow

711
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 1>them to seek power, and because of that, and because

712
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 1>of the criticisms of Game of Thrones, I think they

713
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:30.559
<v Speaker 1>sort of took a step back from depicting that too much.

714
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:34.920
<v Speaker 1>But I did think it worked in that scene. I

715
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 1>did think it made sense in that scene. First off,

716
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.719
<v Speaker 1>there was nothing lascivious about it, or I mean it was.

717
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 1>It was shot in as coldly clinical a manner as

718
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.559
<v Speaker 1>you can shoot a scene like that, and it was

719
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>over fairly quickly, so I didn't feel like they lingered

720
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 1>on it or exploited it. It should be noted that the

721
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.079
<v Speaker 1>director of the episode was a woman, and I don't

722
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:54.280
<v Speaker 1>think that's coincidental.

723
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 2>Make a very good point. You felt it felt brutal

724
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>without sexualizing no anyway.

725
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Or being fatcy about it.

726
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.119
<v Speaker 2>It's brutal and.

727
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 1>Ugly and quick. And I also think there's something to

728
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>be said for having violent acts depicted in that way,

729
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, depicting them in a manner that what the

730
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.559
<v Speaker 1>fuck just happened, because that's often the case with violin acts.

731
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>They don't linger, they don't act, there's not balatic actions

732
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.559
<v Speaker 1>in them. They're quick and ugly and they leave people confused.

733
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 1>So I actually thought all of that was handled really

734
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:39.320
<v Speaker 1>really well, So Rightierra, Okay, Emma Darcy, this whole episode

735
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 1>is their Emmy reel. I'm sorry, I'm very distracted because

736
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:48.039
<v Speaker 1>there's a twenty two pound cat who insists on sitting

737
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>right next to my microphone. I literally don't have any

738
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>place to put my hands right now. So this was

739
00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Emma Darcy's Emmy's real. Emma Darcy's Emmy's real. Uh, that's

740
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:08.159
<v Speaker 1>not easy to say. The scene where Ryan Neier, it's

741
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:12.119
<v Speaker 1>difficult because right, neerer is is a she, but Emma

742
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 1>is a day. So if you hear me using she,

743
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I am referring to her character. Uh, the scene where

744
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 1>she uh sees Sarah's and and oh god, it's so

745
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:29.119
<v Speaker 1>beautifully done because I mean I remember when the scene

746
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.119
<v Speaker 1>first started. I was like, oh, look, they're going to

747
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 1>show it. They're going to show this, and this is

748
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 1>going to be hard, like it's a mother's you know,

749
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:41.559
<v Speaker 1>discovering her son's death. And I just think, Darcy, the

750
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>way they handled that scene, just just the confusion at

751
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 1>the beginning, and then the the the way she would

752
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>not accept it. You know, she kept saying, just Era's wait,

753
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, get up that sort of thing. What is

754
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.280
<v Speaker 1>this what have you done? And then when the realization

755
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:00.199
<v Speaker 1>comes in, and then it goes from sobbing, from crying

756
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to that the kind of full body racking sobs that

757
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.119
<v Speaker 1>you would need an actor to do in a scene

758
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like that, because that's the thing that's got to be

759
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>one of the hardest things any actor has to pull off.

760
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Any decent actor can cry on command, but to do

761
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:23.079
<v Speaker 1>that a mother's grief over there. Yeah, I never forgot

762
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.800
<v Speaker 1>broad Church. Yes, that was when Olivia Coleman when she

763
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.320
<v Speaker 1>found and that wasn't grief. That was actually she found

764
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>out something terrible about her husband. And that was the

765
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>first time I had seen her. That was and I

766
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.599
<v Speaker 1>remember thinking, Jesus Christ, that is some of the best

767
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.199
<v Speaker 1>I like to pull that kind of despair out of

768
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:45.239
<v Speaker 1>yourself where it just is coming from your whole body.

769
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 2>I think this show works also because of those two ladies,

770
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, no ladies, those two actors, actress Olivia Cook

771
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.360
<v Speaker 2>and Amma Dorsey. They're very good.

772
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I should say I had the alac but I think

773
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>your Cook is great. But she makes me hate Allison.

774
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, she's great. I mean they're young, they're both young actors,

775
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 2>but they're good. Yeah, they're very good.

776
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 1>So yes, and then Ranier returns on her whole council,

777
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.280
<v Speaker 1>and I thought for a minute there she was going

778
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to order all of them to kill themselves.

779
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I just want to point out that apparently in the

780
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 2>book she's never locked and then and the body was

781
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:25.519
<v Speaker 2>never found.

782
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:26.679
<v Speaker 1>Of the Sarah's body. Ye.

783
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that was something that the show decided, and

784
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.599
<v Speaker 2>I think it was for the It worked, it really worked.

785
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>And also, yeah, her anger at being locked into that

786
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 1>room really plays with the themes of the show, which

787
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 1>is that these women look at that scene at the

788
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:48.679
<v Speaker 1>Red Keep in the Throne room where they are faced

789
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:52.840
<v Speaker 1>with the King's guard and she unsheathes her sword and

790
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.880
<v Speaker 1>they all start laughing at her. And I mean, you

791
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 1>saw this in Game of Thrones as well, anytime a

792
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>woman achieved power. All the men were very condescending about it. Sure,

793
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know that's very painfully accurate to the real

794
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.679
<v Speaker 1>world as well. But I thought it played well with

795
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>the themes of the story that the men that the

796
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>women in these stories are are seeking power, but they

797
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>rely on the men. Yes, they do execute their will,

798
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and that is a dichotomy that none of them can

799
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>get past. This whole thing. You saw that with Allison,

800
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 1>where she was in mortal danger the entire episode, while

801
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>at the same time she was trying to execute her

802
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 1>queenly will, trying to order men around and hoping that

803
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>just her will could get this done for her, and

804
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 1>it did.

805
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 2>I think that's one of the hardest things as a

806
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>viewer is to watch that because you have to be

807
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.119
<v Speaker 2>true to the books, but at the same time, you

808
00:42:55.159 --> 00:43:01.199
<v Speaker 2>want these these lady characters succeed in do well and

809
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:01.760
<v Speaker 2>have power.

810
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Now I don't, I don't, and I don't want either

811
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:05.239
<v Speaker 1>one of them to exactly.

812
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.079
<v Speaker 2>I do know how the story ends, and I do know.

813
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:08.840
<v Speaker 2>You know.

814
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:13.599
<v Speaker 1>The thing is, there is no winner. It's just who,

815
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, who gets to sit on the throne until

816
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:21.519
<v Speaker 1>they're violently overthrown. I'm not giving anything away. I was

817
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:23.519
<v Speaker 1>a little surprised that she wound up on the throne

818
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>so quick quickly. But I will say this whole episode,

819
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.320
<v Speaker 1>these two episodes felt like the end of a season.

820
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.559
<v Speaker 1>This would have been that shot of Allison looking at

821
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.760
<v Speaker 1>her father's body would have been a perfect way to

822
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 1>end a season, like what a cliffhanger, But apparently they

823
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.880
<v Speaker 1>only have six more episodes to go, and there's a

824
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:48.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff, but I was unhappy with the way

825
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.719
<v Speaker 1>the previous season ended. And man, if these first two

826
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.320
<v Speaker 1>episodes had been the last two episodes, I would have

827
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 1>been saying I would have been fully on board for

828
00:43:57.760 --> 00:43:58.360
<v Speaker 1>season three.

829
00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 2>But even HBO didn't have them.

830
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 1>They didn't have the money. But what else can we

831
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about? I think one of the characters, go ahead,

832
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I just want about Lord Laris and Aggon. Yes, yes,

833
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:17.599
<v Speaker 1>they are quickly turning into the sort of uh comedic

834
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:21.239
<v Speaker 1>right uh you know, foils of the story. They're not

835
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 1>exactly hilarious, but there's humor. There's humor there, and honestly,

836
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where that's going. They got out of

837
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:33.559
<v Speaker 1>that situation and and then he he basically you know,

838
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>asserted himself over Laris. So I don't know, I actually

839
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.159
<v Speaker 1>have no idea where that story's going at.

840
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:41.559
<v Speaker 2>That because referring back to Lord of the Rings, it's

841
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 2>one of those situations where there's a there will be

842
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.599
<v Speaker 2>another story going on, you know, and nobody knew. Everybody

843
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 2>think he's dead.

844
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Game of Thrones was always very good about that. The

845
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:54.639
<v Speaker 1>previous series was it was always good about sending characters

846
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.920
<v Speaker 1>off and on side quests and on side stories. So

847
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I am actually looking for to where they take these

848
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:03.639
<v Speaker 1>two and what's going on with them. Similarly, Rhyana and

849
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Sheep Stealer, I think she's a great character. I think

850
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.320
<v Speaker 1>she's a really great character. And I think Phoebe Campbell

851
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 1>is doing I didn't mention this, but in last week's episode,

852
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the whole scene of her approaching sheep Stealer and again

853
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm using her to refer to Rhyina because Phoebe Campbell

854
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:29.800
<v Speaker 1>is non binary. That whole scene of her approaching sheep

855
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.599
<v Speaker 1>Stealer and trying to get on his back and everything,

856
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and the acting is so the beer on their face

857
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 1>and everything, And I remember sitting there thinking they they

858
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 1>did this in the studio with a green scream. None

859
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.719
<v Speaker 1>of this was happening. I know, sometimes, especially with the

860
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.159
<v Speaker 1>dragon stuff, you really need to take a moment and

861
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.800
<v Speaker 1>realize as realistic as those things, there's nothing behind, nothing,

862
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 1>not they were in a studio shooting this stuff, looking

863
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>at a tennis ball that drive it act scared, I thought.

864
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Conversation with Lady Lady Jane, I think, yeah.

865
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Lady Jane is such a bitch. I love her. First

866
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 1>of all, she's gorgeous, her costumes are beautiful. She's cold, Yeah,

867
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:14.760
<v Speaker 1>give me more characters like that. Entertaining bitchy characters.

868
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, that is something to show. But my point

869
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 2>is that her expression, her face, her despair. When she's

870
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 2>starting her despair, it's.

871
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Not really bad. It really killed a family member essentially,

872
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 1>and now Rainier wants to know who was right again,

873
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I love that because they think that it's someone you know,

874
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>it's on the green side, and they need to find

875
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:39.039
<v Speaker 1>out who this person is. That no idea that all

876
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>of this is getting more and more complicated because people

877
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have information.

878
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.679
<v Speaker 2>All they know she's heading two pintos or yeah, that place,

879
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:49.000
<v Speaker 2>who knows what what? Well, she's staying in the veil

880
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 2>apparent right right, I mean, apparently she has no place

881
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 2>to go. She's gonna have to hide with her directon.

882
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 1>With her dragon. Yeah so and then oh yeah, sir

883
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Simon Strong got killed at harn such a great his

884
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:05.800
<v Speaker 1>useless large adult sons, I know, but they did manage

885
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to get aimoned. I mean he did collapse on the

886
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:11.599
<v Speaker 1>floor in front of Alice Rivers. And who the hell

887
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.639
<v Speaker 1>knows she's going to sleep with him. She's gonna, I

888
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.960
<v Speaker 1>guess she hates Damon now because Damon laughed at her

889
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:18.840
<v Speaker 1>when she asked.

890
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 2>For doesn't want to give her a castle.

891
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.719
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't want to give her a castle, and she

892
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.880
<v Speaker 1>is a witch. So she's gonna my favorite character.

893
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 2>She's going to give her, give her something.

894
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But what a turn of events, because now what

895
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>what happens with the Greens, Like they all seem to

896
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.679
<v Speaker 1>be kind of powerless at the moment. Outahi Tower is

897
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 1>dead by the way, my god, he's yeah, Aimond is incapacitated,

898
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Aigon is wandering somewhere, and Helena just wants to raise chickens.

899
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>So what what's left? As you said, it would have

900
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>been a great and I know, and then of a season.

901
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fact that.

902
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:08.920
<v Speaker 1>They wound up beheading Otto High Tower because they wanted

903
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.639
<v Speaker 1>to be head Agon and that was the plan. And

904
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Allison actually agreed to have her son be killed by Rhinia.

905
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:19.440
<v Speaker 1>She did not agree to have her father be killed

906
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 1>by her, And so she's going to kind of treat

907
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 1>this as a betrayal. But as with everything Allison does,

908
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, is it really a betrayal lady? Like your

909
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.920
<v Speaker 1>father is the reason why all of this happened, right,

910
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>And when she and Rhiniera had that meeting list season,

911
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they understood and they made it very clear

912
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.119
<v Speaker 1>in order for ray Near to take the throne, people

913
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:48.639
<v Speaker 1>will need to be executed in Allison's family, So she

914
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:51.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't execute her son. She executed her father. And like, Okay,

915
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess you can be mad, but how mad can

916
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.159
<v Speaker 1>you be? You agreed to this, you set this up,

917
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:59.519
<v Speaker 1>I know, and I loved. I loved the beheading scene,

918
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.239
<v Speaker 1>which is such a crazy things like that. It was brutal,

919
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.920
<v Speaker 1>it was, but it was two things about it that

920
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I was like, good directing, very very very good directing.

921
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.639
<v Speaker 2>When she walked.

922
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Around behind him, yes, and the whole crowd surged forward

923
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.639
<v Speaker 1>because they all wanted a better view of his beheading,

924
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>And if you know anything about public executions in like

925
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 1>the medieval era or like, that was what they were

926
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.960
<v Speaker 1>like people, even though even the you know, the aristocracy

927
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:33.320
<v Speaker 1>loved a good beheading. So I love that so weird

928
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>to me. And then the moment where she walks to

929
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the throne and slips in his blood, and I'm like,

930
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.199
<v Speaker 1>I know that's not subtle, but I still think it's

931
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:45.039
<v Speaker 1>great direct.

932
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.079
<v Speaker 2>The shot of the throne reflected in the Blood, which

933
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:52.760
<v Speaker 2>was absolutely fantastic, really.

934
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Well staged, really well.

935
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Now I think the show is great. Nothing's pretty, you know.

936
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Everything, it's just but I was so impressed with this

937
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:06.280
<v Speaker 1>episode everybody. The acting was fantastic, the writing was so

938
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:12.199
<v Speaker 1>sharp and smart, and the directing was just you gotta

939
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 1>really have a handle on this material or it just

940
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.960
<v Speaker 1>becomes a muddy mess. Yeah, and we've seen that happen

941
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.079
<v Speaker 1>with both Game of Thrones and episodes of House of

942
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the Dragon, where you can tell the material just kind

943
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 1>of got away from the director, the or the screenwriters.

944
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.599
<v Speaker 1>But this was an episode where it's like everybody is

945
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:31.599
<v Speaker 1>so on their game right now. They it really felt

946
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:34.639
<v Speaker 1>like everybody involved was like, Okay, we need to move

947
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the story, all of the stories forward, but we also

948
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 1>need to not lose the audience. Like everything needs to

949
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:41.599
<v Speaker 1>be crystal clear.

950
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.360
<v Speaker 2>And I think, as you said, the show did a

951
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 2>very good job showing everything and keep you interested even

952
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:48.800
<v Speaker 2>if you never read the books. I mean like that's

953
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:51.079
<v Speaker 2>how I felt. Yeah, watching the entire episode, I was like,

954
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.239
<v Speaker 2>this is good. I'm enjoyed this to the point that

955
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 2>I almost watch it again. Yeah, that's a good time.

956
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I might watch it again just because because it was

957
00:50:58.159 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 2>it was great. It was great.

958
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Also, I did love that corless Filaria. I was going

959
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:07.199
<v Speaker 1>to be united with his family firely black family now, yeah,

960
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and although they have no place to go, but I

961
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.039
<v Speaker 1>did love that scene with Bayla and his two sons

962
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and where she said to Alan, She's like, I'm tired

963
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.360
<v Speaker 1>of losing people. And I'm like, all right, what's this family?

964
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:18.679
<v Speaker 2>Now? What are you all going to have?

965
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Because that their castle was burning, and yeah, I don't

966
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:25.079
<v Speaker 1>know what happens, what's going to happen? Literally, that's the thing.

967
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:27.519
<v Speaker 1>We're in a spot where it's like, wow, I have

968
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 1>no idea where any of this is going, and I

969
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:30.920
<v Speaker 1>am very happy with that.

970
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 2>That's good. So it's great. I can't wait for the

971
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:34.440
<v Speaker 2>next episode. Same.

972
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe he said that, but like.

973
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.119
<v Speaker 2>I said, it was really well done. And and my

974
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.000
<v Speaker 2>frustration sometimes watching shows like these. You said, I didn't

975
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:44.920
<v Speaker 2>read the books, so I don't know these people. I

976
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know their history. You know, all these eggs and

977
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 2>dropping in, I have no clue what they are, you know,

978
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.400
<v Speaker 2>like you know what I mean. But so you just

979
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.320
<v Speaker 2>want to appreciate the show for what it is, and

980
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:56.199
<v Speaker 2>when they do a good job with that, then yeah,

981
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:57.239
<v Speaker 2>they succeed.

982
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:01.599
<v Speaker 1>I agree, And with that, I think we're going to

983
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 1>wrap u up. We will not be back next week

984
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 1>because we're going to be on vacation, but we will

985
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:10.519
<v Speaker 1>have a Bitter Kitten Movie Club dropping next Friday. We're

986
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.519
<v Speaker 1>going to be watching The Materialists. We're recording that tonight

987
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:17.320
<v Speaker 1>nice and we'll publish that next Friday, and then we'll

988
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.920
<v Speaker 1>be back, so we will. We will not be recapping

989
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.400
<v Speaker 1>the next House of the Dragon until we get back

990
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.960
<v Speaker 1>in two weeks. Until then, take care of yourselves, love

991
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 1>you mean it.

992
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Bye bye bye