1 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,879 Speaker 1: We're Tom A Loarenz and this is the Pop Style 2 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:28,399 Opinion Fest. Hallikan is welcome back to another edition of 3 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,160 the Pso I am the teen, your te Low Tom Fitzgerald, 4 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:32,640 and I'm here with the Low and your Telo and 5 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,759 the Lorenso my cousband loved the husband, you lovely. Husband 6 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:38,439 has been very busy. I knew we're planning our trip. 7 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,719 I knew there was a lot of want to tip 8 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:44,679 my hat and thank him publicly, Like you guys have 9 00:00:44,759 --> 00:00:47,280 no idea. He does everything. I'm just like, tell me 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,159 where to show up and when to show up. 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,119 Speaker 2: I just hand him the passport and we had to 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,200 does he. 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,479 Speaker 1: Absolutely does, And we're going to have a fabulous time. 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: Yes. 15 00:00:55,039 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: We leave on Saturday for Edinburgh. Yes, and then we 16 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:02,679 spend some time there, then a little bit of time 17 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:05,040 in Dublin, then a little bit of time in Donnengaal 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,200 for Internet we're attending, and then we go back to 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,959 Dublin and then we fly home. 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:10,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: It's very exciting, very exciting, and we're hitting the parts 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,599 of Europe that are not I know, in the throes 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,920 of a heat. I mean we'll be in Scotland and. 24 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean We've been checking the temperatures and it 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,799 looks okay, you know, as opposed to everything. 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,159 Speaker 1: Has be very rainy, which is the Scottish experience. 27 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: I know. I mean I expect that. Yeah, I mean, 28 00:01:31,079 --> 00:01:34,719 everything I've been reading says that you can have a 29 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:37,040 predict what the weather's going to be. So we're just 30 00:01:37,079 --> 00:01:38,760 gonna go and enjoy. 31 00:01:39,359 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: But you we are flying out on which is crazy. 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:44,840 I don't even know. 33 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: I I don't even know what I'm thinking. 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,959 Speaker 1: Very very interested. I have no idea. What what is 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,480 an airport like on July fourth? Are they full? Is 36 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:55,280 it full of people or is it empty? No? 37 00:01:55,439 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: They say Thursday is the worst day. 38 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: I can't imagine people are traveling on the dead probably yeah, 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,640 but then again we're hitting the international gates, so who knows. Yeah, 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,879 but it'll be interesting. Like I don't even know what 41 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:12,400 time we're leaving for the airwork. Because you have to remember, 42 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:16,159 folks were in Philadelphia right. Not only are we in Philadelphia, 43 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:19,560 we are in the historic Section. The Betsy Ross, Betsy 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Ross's House, Benjamin Franklin's Grave, and the Liberty Bell are 45 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:26,599 all within three blocks of where we live, so we 46 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:31,639 are like a ground zero of patriotism at this time 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,080 of year, but I don't, and the World Cup's going on, 48 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:39,319 so we have a lot of you know, I have 49 00:02:39,439 --> 00:02:42,039 no idea what traffic is going to be like that day. 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,599 Our flight isn't until the evening, but I have a 51 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,759 feeling mister planner here is going to have us sitting 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,840 at the gate at nine o'clock that morning. 53 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: No, but but we're gonna have to leave early anyway. 54 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:54,599 It is what it is. I don't know what I 55 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,800 was thinking. I guess I was just thinking. I don't 56 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,599 know that we needed to be there a certain day 57 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,080 and wasn't thinking about the holiday. 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: But it doesn't make a difference. 59 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: Don't make any difference because if I had booked it 60 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,280 on Friday or or you know, Thursday or whatever, it's 61 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,319 still crazy. It's been crazy. It's been crazy. You go 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,000 out on the street because we go to the gym 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,520 near us here, it's the streets are packed with tourists. 64 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: It's packed with World Cup people, and it's it's packed 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,360 with patriotism fans. That's the thing We've talked about this before, 66 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:28,479 that you know, the cutest time of year. It's it's 67 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,479 a lot of people in flag clothes. 68 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:31,199 Speaker 2: I love walking. 69 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: I love it, yes and no, I've said this before. 70 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:39,680 I do love it. But we've mentioned this before. It 71 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,240 is a tourist area in the summer, and you will 72 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:47,120 quite often be asked directions somewhere by tourists, and so 73 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:49,639 it's very common for people to walk up to you 74 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:53,400 in their American flag t shirts and their American flag 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,159 ball caps and everything and ask for directions or ask 76 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,360 A common one is where's a good to get a 77 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:04,879 cheese steak? And more than once, more than a dozen 78 00:04:04,919 --> 00:04:07,879 times over the years, I have opened my mouth to 79 00:04:07,919 --> 00:04:11,039 speak to people and they I could see the reaction 80 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,599 to my big gay voice. You're homosexual, And it wasn't 81 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,120 a good I mean it was you know, because it's 82 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,199 not it's people from out of town, let's put. 83 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:20,519 Speaker 2: It that way. 84 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: So you get all kinds of you get all kinds 85 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,839 of just and sometimes the people most likely to wear 86 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,279 an American flag ball cap are the same people who 87 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:34,720 don't want to talk to a flaming homosexual about cheese steaks. 88 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,959 Speaker 2: But I still like, I mean, they have like school 89 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,800 groups and you know, like stuff like that, which is adorable. Yeah, 90 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,519 you see those kids, you know, visiting every place and 91 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,439 they get all excited about it. I like it. I 92 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:46,839 like it. 93 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: I having said that, I am not. I mean, I 94 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:57,000 originally felt some kind of way about us exiting the 95 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,319 Country Lifeboard on the two hundred the anniversary. Maybe we 96 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,879 shouldn't do that, And then as the day kept getting closer, 97 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,000 I'm like, yeah, I'm not. I'll be honest, I'm not 98 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,879 feeling this whole two hundred and fifty thing right now. 99 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,759 And that is something I'm segueing into this. Before I 100 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,680 segue into this, let me just give you the late lamb. 101 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,959 We're going to talk a little bit about the you know, 102 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,279 the Great American Fair happening in Washington, d C. And 103 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:27,160 what a debacle that is. We're going to talk a 104 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:31,959 little bit about that those silly people who climb the 105 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,720 Empire State Building yesterday. We're gonna talk a little bit 106 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,560 about Taylor and Travis's wedding because it's getting entirely out 107 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,839 of hand. And we're going to talk about how said 108 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:45,399 the Dragons second episode of the third season, which shut 109 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:48,160 my mouth on everything I was complaining about the show 110 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:53,279 lest truly last podcast, and then they come out with 111 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:56,399 this fucking banger of an episode that I'm like, all right, 112 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,399 I'm in it. I'm fully in it, all right. So 113 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,000 that's what we're talking about, Philly. If you don't have 114 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,839 plans and your aunt anywhere within driving distance, I gotta say, 115 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:09,959 Philly's looking great for July fourth. There's so much The 116 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,879 city looks great. I Dina Menzel is giving a concert 117 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,079 two blocks of our apartment. 118 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah. 119 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: If it wasn't so hot and we didn't have all 120 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,399 our packing to do, I would go down there. We 121 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,439 interviewed her one time. 122 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, she's lovely. 123 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: The celebrations look great, the city looks great, and uh yeah. 124 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:29,800 You never hear me pump up Philly, but this is 125 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,639 the one time I'm going to do it. Because all 126 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,439 the money went. 127 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: To d C. 128 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:38,399 Speaker 1: As his case, like, as a Philadelphian, I have watched 129 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:42,680 New York and DC and Boston grabbed the glory when 130 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,040 it comes to July fourth, Bitch, that's ours, that's ours. 131 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,920 It happened here, I know exactly. Boston you get the 132 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:54,040 tea party, New York you get everything else. But this 133 00:06:54,160 --> 00:07:00,160 is us, this is us not and whatever the problem 134 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:07,759 the DC thing I think has, it's made me even 135 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,240 more depressed. About the state of the country, the debacle 136 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:16,079 of the Great American Fair debacle. First off, you know, 137 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:19,120 we never get into Trump on this thing, because God almighty, 138 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,759 who the fuck wants to listen to us talk about that? 139 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,920 And it's just depressing For the most part. We want 140 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,279 our site, our podcast to be a place where you 141 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:30,439 can get away from that sort of stressful stuff. But 142 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,040 you know, in terms of like the national mood or 143 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,279 whatever that I don't think anything can sum it up 144 00:07:37,319 --> 00:07:41,560 than that swampy ass looking thing that nobody is attending. 145 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,240 All the stars are canceling, can none of the stars 146 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:48,800 are doing concerts, are even like fucking vanilla ice canceling. 147 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:55,199 The reflecting pool is loaded with algae and floaties and god, 148 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,399 ducks are dying in it, and the whole thing is 149 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,120 just so damn depressing. It's And then on the fourth 150 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,800 they're apparently going to set off eight hundred and fifty 151 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:09,079 thousand fireworks, which because they want to be in the 152 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,839 Guinness Book of World's Records, and they're telling people, oh, 153 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:13,480 you might have to wear a mask, you might not 154 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:16,079 be able to breathe, and it's some people might want 155 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,920 to stay inside. What is the point of having a 156 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:19,959 fireworks thing. 157 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:23,879 Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, I mean I I I'm trying 158 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,120 to stay away from all of this. We've been so 159 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:29,319 focused on traveling, and like I said, it is nice 160 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:31,399 to see all the people here celebrating because you know, 161 00:08:31,639 --> 00:08:35,240 it is it is something to celebrate. And I guess 162 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,240 if you do it your way without the you know, 163 00:08:38,279 --> 00:08:41,480 pumping circumstance that we're seeing in DC, I. 164 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,279 Speaker 1: Don't even see pump. It's it's shitty game shows. 165 00:08:44,279 --> 00:08:45,279 Speaker 2: Shit, that's the thing. 166 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: I would welcome pomp and circumstance. I would welcome a 167 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,440 little bit of grandeur. But that arch, that vinyl cardboard 168 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,480 arch that everyone's been making fun. 169 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: Of, and it looks just like the arc the trip 170 00:08:57,159 --> 00:08:59,399 in Paris. It's, oh my god. 171 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: Plastic and it looks like it would blow over in 172 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,960 a strong storm. I don't even understand. I got to say, like, 173 00:09:04,639 --> 00:09:07,360 why did you plan all these outdoor events for DC 174 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,440 in July? It is a swamp, it is. I mean, 175 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:13,039 it's just not a place people want to be at 176 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:14,559 that time, not outside. 177 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: No, we've been there and it's it's brutal. 178 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, I just don't think having 179 00:09:23,919 --> 00:09:27,960 everything outdoor is on the Mall in July when temperatures 180 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,600 were very likely going to hit over a hundred. Just 181 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,480 the whole thing has been incredibly poorly planned. It's not 182 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:38,600 about It wasn't planned by people who have a real 183 00:09:38,639 --> 00:09:41,759 love of this country and want who celebrated. It was 184 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:45,799 planned by people who only know how to celebrate themselves. 185 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:50,559 And so it's tacky and it's cheap, and they're going 186 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,879 to try and break a world record and they're probably 187 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:55,360 going to wind up setting the Capitol on fire when 188 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:55,679 they do. 189 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: It's it's I think it has a lot to do 190 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:02,759 with the fact that it it's not a celebration for everybody, 191 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:05,559 you know, clearly clearly not clearly not. And I think 192 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,360 people are turned off by it. Yeah, most people are, 193 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,679 so Yeah. I mean it doesn't feel like you're celebrating 194 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,799 everybody as you should as a country, and that's not happening. 195 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:18,840 So yeah, I mean, why would you participate if you 196 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:22,039 don't feel like you're going to be celebrating yourself in 197 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,159 your community. It's tough, it's sad that, but again, it's 198 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,120 it's just very interesting that everything that is important happens 199 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,320 when he's mad this minute in charge. 200 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently he wants to give a two hour speech 201 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:38,440 in like one hundred and eight degree weather, and I'm like, 202 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,679 you know, you should. 203 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,279 Speaker 2: I heard that. 204 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:44,159 Speaker 1: That's all I'll say. 205 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah whatever. 206 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,519 Speaker 1: I think it's depressing, and I think all all smart 207 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:55,399 America and should probably just not give it their attention 208 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,480 at all. Go to your local thing, go to your 209 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,679 local fireworks. Come here to Philly. Yeah, but do not 210 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,519 even pay attention to that. It's very pretty right now, 211 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,559 sad little debacle, that cheap ass looking thing. 212 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:08,919 Speaker 2: Yes, don't. We have the first bank in the second 213 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:11,679 Bank of America. The first bank just open and I 214 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,720 think they have exhibits inside now. It looks gorgeous inside. 215 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:17,320 I can't wait to see it. So, yeah, we have 216 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,120 all that stuff going on here in Philadelphia, so you 217 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:21,039 should come now. 218 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: You just reminded me because the Second Bank of Philadelphia 219 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,799 is right off Bank Street. 220 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: Yes, and Bank. 221 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:33,279 Speaker 1: Street is where Harlow's nightclub was. Harlow was the trans 222 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:35,879 woman that we were writing about and talking about for many, 223 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:37,919 many years. And we had to announced a couple of 224 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:40,080 weeks back that Harlow walked away from the project. So 225 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:42,360 we will not be publishing the book. But in a 226 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:46,519 little bit of irony. Right after finding that out, we 227 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,360 received a journalism award for the pace that we wrote 228 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,519 in the Inquirer in December, and it's it's the National 229 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,120 Association of Gay Lesbian Journalists and excellent some profile writing. 230 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,919 And it is literally the first award my writing has 231 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,720 ever gotten, which is sweet. It's sweet because it would 232 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,320 have been nice to have a book deal to go 233 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,240 with it. But like we said, Rachel, she bounced and 234 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:16,039 that's not happening. 235 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,759 Speaker 2: But it's a beautiful article in the Philadelphia Inquiry. You 236 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:21,279 can find it online and it's really really wonderful. 237 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm very proud of it. 238 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm glad you got that kind of record recognition. Yes, absolutely, 239 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:26,919 thank you. 240 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: All right, So that's our July fourth stuff. 241 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: So enjoyed the holiday. You know, celebrate however you feel 242 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,879 like celebrating. Remember you still American, You still should be 243 00:12:36,879 --> 00:12:37,720 pre me the people. 244 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, celebrate with your people. Don't worry about those fucking 245 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,320 game show hosts. 246 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:45,039 Speaker 2: Yeah up as just celebrate the future. 247 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, just yeah, don't give them your energy. I'm actually, 248 00:12:49,879 --> 00:12:52,080 like I said, I was, I felt some kind of 249 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,440 way about leaving the country on the during this time 250 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,360 and then I was like, you know what, I really 251 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,679 don't want to be here for any of this. I'm sorry, 252 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,240 but I don't Philly. It does look great though, and 253 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,000 there's a minor bit of bread that I'm not going 254 00:13:04,039 --> 00:13:07,440 to be here in Philly for the celebrations, but no, 255 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:11,519 I'm happy to get the hell out of here. Do 256 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,919 you want to take a break now, let's take a 257 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,799 breakin all right, let's take a quick break and we'll 258 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:17,399 be back with some celebrity stuff and pop culture stuff. 259 00:13:17,399 --> 00:13:21,480 We'll be right back. We're back, and just to kill 260 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:23,360 some time, we're going to talk about those dumbasses who 261 00:13:23,399 --> 00:13:28,679 climbed to the top of the Empire State Building yesterday. 262 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,240 In case you missed it, yesterday, a couple climbed to 263 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:36,240 the top of the spire of the Empire State Building, 264 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,600 where they unfurled a banner when the Power that read 265 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:43,000 when the power of Love beats the love of power, 266 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,440 the world knows peace. And then I should also mention 267 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:51,639 that they were wearing cat masks and that he got 268 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,919 down on one knee and proposed, and then they climbed 269 00:13:56,919 --> 00:14:01,039 down and prompatly got arrested. Their names are I mean, 270 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,720 as soon as it happened literally as soon as it 271 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,240 popped up on social media. Oh my god, there's a 272 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:09,240 couple climbing the spire. I was like, all right, what 273 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:10,200 are they promoting? Like? 274 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: What? Right? 275 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:14,159 Speaker 1: So it turns out her name is Angela Nicolau and 276 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,840 her name is his name is Evon Berkus, and they 277 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,600 had a Netflix documentary that came out in twenty twenty 278 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,879 four called Skywalker's a Love Story. Now, they weren't promoting 279 00:14:23,919 --> 00:14:28,799 that documentary it came out two years ago, but clearly 280 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,200 there's a bit of attention. See can going on there? 281 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:34,879 Speaker 2: Do you think? I mean, it's the usual of social 282 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:37,440 media thing. How many people have died climbing shit and 283 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:41,120 then you know, falling and dying and because they went 284 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,919 a picture because they want something for their social media 285 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:48,960 account and to promote whatever this is it I'm you know, 286 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,200 and and the funny thing you go online because that's 287 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,639 my favorite part to read the comments and they're divided. 288 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: They think it's amazing. How are you going to beat that? Yes, 289 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,720 that's the part that I'm like, what first thought? They 290 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,919 were called activists in the additional report, I'm like, just 291 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,960 because they unfurl the flag does not make them activists. 292 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:10,519 They're fame whores and with no fear of heights, which 293 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:14,360 which I admire because I watched some of the footage 294 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,879 and like they're standing there and like, oh my god, 295 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,960 I could never do that. No, never do that with 296 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,039 no protection whatsoever. But they do that all the time. 297 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,360 And and and it's usually I legal stuff they do. 298 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,919 I mean they climb these things without any any permit 299 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,600 or any that's the thing. Not to sound like such 300 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,600 a hall monitor or cop, but like the the Empire 301 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,320 State Building released a statement and said, at no point 302 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:41,440 was anyone in any danger. And I'm like, that is 303 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,240 so very clearly true, because putting aside the danger that 304 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:50,519 they put themselves in, if they fall right, literally anybody 305 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:52,559 underneath them is in danger. 306 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:54,679 Speaker 2: All right, But let's let's forget these two in and 307 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:57,039 what if it was like some terrorist attack or whatever 308 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,679 to bomb the whole thing down. I mean, think about it. 309 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,279 We've been to the Empire shape, but. 310 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: Its on the observation deck in December. 311 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: I've been there about like three times, maybe now or 312 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,320 four times. I've taken my mom, my brother, everybody. Anyway, 313 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:15,679 I mean, you get yelled at five guards before you 314 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,960 get to the top. I mean to do certain things. 315 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,279 Walk this way, go this way, don't walk here, don't 316 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:22,080 do this. How did these people get all the way 317 00:16:22,159 --> 00:16:25,799 up there with nobody stopping them? That's that's I don't well. 318 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,919 Speaker 1: I mean once you got to figure once, once they 319 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:33,200 start the climb, there's no way to stop them, climb 320 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,679 after them, and no security guard is doing that. 321 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:37,879 Speaker 2: But my place, how do you get there without some 322 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,960 security person you know, watching your I. 323 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: Mean on the observation deck if you wanted to, you 324 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,960 could climb on over it and get up to the spire. 325 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,799 Many nuts to do so. But anyway, what bothers me 326 00:16:50,919 --> 00:16:55,519 is that, you know, it's just a tension seeking nonsense 327 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,720 that people tend to like, Oh it's so romant, And 328 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:02,919 I'm like, yeah, all right, but copycats exist, right, And 329 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,400 as you said, that is a security risk, like someone 330 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,599 could go up there with a bomb or something, right, 331 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,319 And I know that sounds hysterical, you know it is, 332 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,400 and I get it. But my point is, I'm not 333 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,079 I'm not proclaiming potential disaster. And I don't even know 334 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:24,279 have an idea of whether those two should be. I mean, 335 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:26,519 I don't know the law about any of this. I 336 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,839 just don't feel like it's anything admirable or something that 337 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,640 we should be praising them for. 338 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: You know, the thing that bothers me with social media 339 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,799 and these people doing these things to get you know, attention, 340 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,599 is that it's such it's so disruptive. You see all 341 00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:46,640 these videos of people, you know, playing these pranks and 342 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,720 all this stuff, you know, you know, talking to people 343 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,440 and making fun of people and filming them, you know, 344 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,599 that kind of stuff. I think it's such it's so 345 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,920 invasive to me, you know, to the public that you 346 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,519 just decide that you're going to make fun of somebody 347 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,200 or or or you're going to create a situation so 348 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,480 that you can get hits on your social media, pretending, 349 00:18:05,759 --> 00:18:10,359 you know, do whatever, fight so all kinds of stuff 350 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,960 just to get attention, just to get people to click 351 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:17,000 on whatever you're showing and you know, get your money. 352 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,519 I just think it's right too much. I don't I 353 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:23,200 think there are worse things they could have done. And 354 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,960 like I said, I'm not suggesting that they, you know, 355 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,839 the book should be thrown at them, but I don't 356 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,720 agree when people treat this as some sort of harmless thing, 357 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,440 I'm like, I don't know how harmless that is, they 358 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,839 put people in danger. Regardless of what the Empire State 359 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,839 Buildings says. If either of them had fallen off that building, 360 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,920 anybody below them was going to be in danger of 361 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,559 what would happen when the impact when they you know, 362 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,039 hit the street. 363 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,839 Speaker 1: So I just don't believe that. I also, you know, 364 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,799 they're lucky that know, like ambitious security guard tried to 365 00:18:59,799 --> 00:19:02,640 go after them, because then what if someone someone did 366 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,079 stupidly try and get them to come down and then 367 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,799 injure themselves. This is what I mean. None of this 368 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,440 happens in a vacuum. You're not the time, you do 369 00:19:10,519 --> 00:19:13,279 not exist in your own little world. You did this 370 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,440 in the middle of a very very busy, you know, metropolis, 371 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,480 and it's an organism. Everybody gets affected by what you do. 372 00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:23,839 Speaker 2: You have to assign people to go after them, you know, 373 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,319 to to to arrest him, all that that those are resources. 374 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: Wasted of this attention seeking moment again not some grand 375 00:19:31,599 --> 00:19:35,720 crime whatever. But I just don't feel that these things 376 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:36,720 are neutral. 377 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,759 Speaker 2: I just don't. I yeah, yeah, I find the whole 378 00:19:39,799 --> 00:19:44,039 thing at the very I think especially the fact that 379 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,000 you know, you're not even from here. You come here 380 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:47,119 and then you do shit like that. 381 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: Now, Okay, that sounds weirdly anti immigrant. Now, it's just 382 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,319 a little like, I mean, you're visiting and then you 383 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,359 breaking a law, breaking the law. 384 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just feel a little like you 385 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,039 have no yeah, authoritation to do what you're doing. I 386 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:01,480 don't know. Just feels a little weird to me. 387 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, moving on to that other New York 388 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,319 couple who is dominating the city at the moment. It's 389 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:12,119 Taylor and Travis's wedding, which apparently is happening in the 390 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,359 next couple of days. Supposedly it's happening tomorrow. Yeah, which 391 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:22,480 uh I wondered briefly. I was like, oh shit, we're 392 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:24,400 leaving on Saturday. We won't be able to cover it. 393 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,759 But there's not going to be caught, like she is 394 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:28,799 going to control the images. 395 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,599 Speaker 2: Well, my understanding is that you know, people are going 396 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:33,759 to go into the thing that you're not even not 397 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:35,960 gonna You're not going to even see who's coming as 398 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:36,920 a guest or you know. 399 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,079 Speaker 1: It's like it was all that covered. Yeah, it's a 400 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,960 covered entrance. And I think, so why the fuck? Because 401 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:44,079 you want your privacy, you want to celebrate, you want 402 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:46,480 your privacy, So you're having it at Madison Square Garden. 403 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 2: I questioned that a lot. I was like, why of 404 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,799 all places? But then I was watching listening to NPR 405 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,960 this morning, and there is an explanation. I mean, she's 406 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,960 done a lot there, like apparently her first talent show 407 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,519 competition when she was a kid, like twelve years old 408 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:05,799 or whatever in two thousand and three. I believe I 409 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,160 was there, So she has this sort of attachment to 410 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,640 the place. You know, she performed there many times. I mean, 411 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,680 she's a fan of games and all that, so she 412 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,880 wants to do it there. Listen. I always feel. 413 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:23,839 Speaker 1: The plans are getting a little out of hand, but 414 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,839 I mean once you booked to MSG, it was out 415 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:27,160 of hand. 416 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: I mean, what else do you expect is tell a 417 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,720 Swift getting married. So of course it's going to be. 418 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: Into a football player. 419 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:35,759 Speaker 2: Ye, it's going to it's like Princess Diana level of 420 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,119 attention on them. You know, yes, obviously it's like the 421 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,640 Princess of America getting married and yeah, And I'm here's 422 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,759 my thing. I can't stand weddings in general. I think 423 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:51,839 it's too much attention on them the whole time. That's 424 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,920 my take on ye. I'm not a wedding person, but 425 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,079 I understand. 426 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,599 Speaker 1: So I think our own wedding was thirty five people 427 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,960 in around. We just bought everybody dinner. We just did 428 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,240 not want some big, showy, look at us thing. 429 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: We closed the restaurant and then then had just a 430 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,039 celebration with family and friends. But that's us. 431 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:11,759 Speaker 1: That's us. 432 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,079 Speaker 2: Family members have you know, got married much bigger venues 433 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,880 and done wonderful things. I think it's your day. You 434 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,960 do whatever you want to do. It's your day, your celebration, 435 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,160 and and you should do whatever fu is right for you. 436 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,839 And when you have money and that kind of fame 437 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,240 and attention on you, of course is going to be huge. 438 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,359 So I wasn't expecting anything small. I mean it is 439 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,519 going to be big. They're talking about, well maybe they're 440 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:44,039 getting married someplace else, and that's just a place where 441 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:46,000 fames are going to go to watch the wedding, which 442 00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:49,079 is crazy. That's not just i'sstand. 443 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:53,519 Speaker 1: It's funny because you would think I want I want 444 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:56,599 to find out about the dress because we write about fashion, 445 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,960 but I'm actually like, I want to see how this 446 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,319 is going to be stay right, Like, how are you 447 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,640 processing in what is the is all of this happening 448 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,599 on a stage or so all the seats are empty. 449 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:12,359 You're in like an empty venue with a thousand people 450 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:15,680 and then thirty thousand empty seat or actually more. 451 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,279 Speaker 2: Than I don't remember what it looks like inside. Is 452 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:20,480 it a theater or is it as. 453 00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:25,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like a yeah, 454 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,599 it's a it's an arena, so it's whatever they would 455 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,640 share the basketball games in there. They have concerts in there, 456 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,079 so you know, it's not a it's not a personium stage. 457 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,920 It's it's a center court. So I guess that's what happened. 458 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,359 And apparently there's I mean, I just I think it's 459 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,680 going to be so over the top engross, but we're 460 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,880 probably not going to see pictures. Apparently there was a 461 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,039 castle set. There's like this fairy tale. It's so they're 462 00:23:50,039 --> 00:23:52,839 going to be so we I mean, they're they're they're 463 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:55,319 monitoring everything that goes inside that place. 464 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: And apparently there's like castle parts. 465 00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:01,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we'll see. Well see, let's say it's 466 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,920 your day or in your thirties, it's your day. This 467 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,960 is a prom Listen to me. I know, I believe 468 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,319 you're being so because I feel like. 469 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: It's your day. You do whatever you feel like doing it, 470 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,160 and if you have the power and the money to 471 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,720 do it, it's a billionaire or whatever they're doing. I mean, 472 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,480 people spend millions, you know, on their weddings if they 473 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,839 have the money, because they feel like they that's the 474 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:26,880 way they should be celebrating. I like small things, elegant things, 475 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,240 you know. 476 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have newfound respect for Thomas Anddeia. They just 477 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,960 did it. Nobody even knows what she wore or when 478 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:38,480 it happened. I mean, actually think they're lying about that. 479 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,440 I think the wedding hasn't happened yet, although they are 480 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,680 wearing the I think they're wearing wedding bands. But I 481 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,519 still think there's a wedding that they haven't had yet, right. 482 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: I mean, we just saw Dalle and what's his name 483 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,440 Turner get married and it was big. It wasn't as 484 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,559 big I guess, but it was big in Italy. 485 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: I understand celebrity weddings are big things, but I mean 486 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:04,519 ranting out Madison Square garden and building a castle inside 487 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,839 it is wow. But that is a lot, even for you, 488 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,759 Taylor Swift. 489 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: I know, but they're not known for their taste, so 490 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,799 so and more subtle or again yes, and they're famous, 491 00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:19,079 and like, I mean, come on, I knew that they 492 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,000 was gonna come. Taylors was gonna get married and it 493 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,799 was going to be huge. 494 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming they're confiscating everybody's phone as they go 495 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:28,920 in and all that sort of nonsense. I wonder who 496 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,839 her bridesmaids are. 497 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean her friends that those hind sisters or whatever. 498 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: Like, oh, I know, but she's got a lot of 499 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:38,799 famous late friends, so maybe she's one of those. Is 500 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,000 gonna have like fifty brides Well that's the trend. 501 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: Now you have twenty five, you know, people next to you, 502 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,480 so lessen money, money, money, money, There is no limit 503 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:52,599 to whatever they can dream of for the day. And 504 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,839 like I said, today, enjoy break his. 505 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: Ship and even for her, I'm like, wow, that is 506 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,559 a lot. Is a level of it? Is I just 507 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:06,160 I you know, yeah, whatever, like you said, she's got 508 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,640 the money, she's allowed to do it. And we said 509 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,400 this a couple of weeks when we were talking about it. 510 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,079 I actually this might come off naive, but I do 511 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,319 think this is it for her. I don't I do think, 512 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,319 you know, there's done, like this is the man she's 513 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,880 Unless there's some disaster, no, I think I think, yeah, 514 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,319 I think that they're gonna be always the case with 515 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,079 the marriage. But yeah, I just I think that is 516 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,480 how she's treating it. I waited a long time for 517 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:35,000 this one, and I am not doing this again. 518 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: I like this is I think she found her man. 519 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,960 Uh and she's she's had an amazing career. Not that 520 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,160 she's going to stop doing whatever she's doing, but you know, 521 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,720 there's one big career here that she can be very 522 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:48,200 proud of. 523 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: It's why I think she's gonna be She's gonna have 524 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,240 a baby very very. 525 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: Probably and then continue her career, maybe a different way 526 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,920 of you know, creating art. 527 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: We'll see that baby is going to be crowned, especially 528 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,680 if it's a girl. Oh my god, she has a 529 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:11,039 daughter that she will be princess whatever. Yeah, but that's 530 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,119 that's that's how it is. I wished him well and 531 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:19,160 enjoy their billionaires. I wish them as much as enjoy it. 532 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,160 Just I can wish any billionaire well. But uh yeah, 533 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:26,599 I'm not unhappy for them. Go go have have your big, tacky, 534 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,559 ostentatious wedding and I will do my best to cover 535 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,319 it depending on any pictures. 536 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: I mean, she likes the contruth. 537 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,599 Speaker 1: Why would you have such an attention seeking style of wedding? 538 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:46,160 And then I mean, what's the point in having that 539 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,079 castle set if no one's going, Well, I guess your 540 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:49,839 guests are going to see it, and that's all that matters 541 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,119 to you. 542 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: I think you can. I think you can have any 543 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:56,920 enormous wedding, huge celebration just for the people you invited. 544 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,880 I don't think you have to have that. I can. 545 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: And I mean she could have had it on a 546 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,119 private island somewhere like. Instead she had it in the 547 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,519 busiest dansas city in America in its major venue. 548 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: Because apparently in New York means a lot to her, 549 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,079 I can't believe. And Madison Square Garden also means a 550 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:17,480 lot to her. 551 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: So I guess, yeah, all right, listen, I go with 552 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,480 with whatever. Wow, this is a new found now, It's just. 553 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: That it is a uh. We get invited to weddings 554 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:36,160 a lot, and I go because I love the people 555 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,440 that are getting married, but it's it's always a lot 556 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,200 to me. Weddings are a lot. And but you know, 557 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,400 I also respect that that's your day and then you 558 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,519 get to celebrate. 559 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,119 Speaker 1: However, you feel like the other thing is with a 560 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:57,559 wedding this elaborate. There has to be pre parties, after parties, 561 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,640 brunch hit like there's it's a whole weekend. 562 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean it would happened to be. 563 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, although I would be surprised if any of that 564 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,279 stuff was happening in New York City, but maybe it is. 565 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,079 The thing is, you can't rent out a restaurant or 566 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:15,680 a hall or whatever without people knowing. So I'm just 567 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,279 very curious about what what supplemental. There's no way this 568 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,960 is the main event and that's all they're I think. 569 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,759 Speaker 2: I think one reason also to do to do the 570 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,319 wedding at Medicine Career Garden it is because it's easy 571 00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:31,640 to it's easier to contrue. I mean people can't you know, well. 572 00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: They're blocking it off from blocks in several directions, so 573 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,079 it's not easy. It's it's actually elaborate. 574 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they're doing all the work to protect 575 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,799 that that you know dome. 576 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:41,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 577 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: So so so nobody can like you know, jump on 578 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,119 the roof or or you know, break a window to 579 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,839 see the wedding. Yeah. I mean it to day lady 580 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,680 to day. 581 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: And I mean I'm assuming that, like the reception is 582 00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:03,400 in the probably you can't just I mean, I well. 583 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,359 Speaker 2: They they had they saw trucks bringing food and apparently 584 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:12,160 there's okay, yeah, there's chicken, there's chicken. There's all kind 585 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,640 of been things delivered. And they apparently named the chef 586 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,480 that I can't remember his name right now. He's a 587 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,680 very famous chef. So I guess they're gonna yeah. I 588 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,200 mean it's a huge place, right, they can do everything 589 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,200 in there, they can stay there for days. 590 00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: Supposedly the dress is dere. 591 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,519 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yes, Like I said, it's gonna be a 592 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,240 very traditional I think I'd be shocked if she went 593 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:37,079 with the Kelvin Kleine kind of like modern modern look 594 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,640 satin white sat. No, I don't think that's gonna be. 595 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:41,960 I think it's gonna be a little lathe thirty pounds 596 00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:47,480 laise very deal, which again, hey go dere right, and 597 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,279 I mean why not. I mean I would go Dior 598 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,079 Chanelle if I had the money. 599 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:54,359 Speaker 1: And she got the money. All right, that's it for that. 600 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,359 Why don't we take a short break and when we 601 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:58,640 come back, we're going to talk about House of the Dragon. 602 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,640 We're back and now we're going to talk about season three, 603 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:08,759 episode two of House of the Dragon, Queen's Landing and 604 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,960 it you know should go without saying this. This part 605 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,799 of the conversation is going to be full of spoilers. 606 00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:15,759 But it aired three nights ago, so you know, if 607 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:19,759 you haven't watched it yet, get on that, especially since, 608 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880 as I said, I was ambivalent about coming back to 609 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,400 House of the Dragon. When these shows take so much 610 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,640 time off, it's very hard for me to get excited 611 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,720 about them coming back. And as I've said in the 612 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:38,680 past about this show, I don't think the story, the 613 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,440 basic story is interesting at all, and sometimes the show 614 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,599 is can be a real slog not because there's nobody 615 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:50,000 to root for it and there is nobody to root for, 616 00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:54,240 but there's nobody having any fun with it. There's no one, 617 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,680 there's no sense of real fun in how the story's told. 618 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,440 It's very very great and you know, if that's what 619 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,680 you're looking for, that's what you're looking for, but it's 620 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640 it can be hard for me to sustain an interest 621 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,680 in a story like this. And last after last week's 622 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,559 episode with Jasarah's you know, getting plugged with arrows and 623 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,400 sinking beneath the ocean. I was like, these people are 624 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,720 all fucking idiots, Like they're all dumb and corrupt and 625 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,920 evil people. And like I said last week, if it 626 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,839 was fun to watch that, then I wouldn't have a complaint. 627 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,279 But the show can get very self serious, it can 628 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:37,000 get very morose, and sometimes that really weighs it down. 629 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,400 And now I loved this episode. In fact, I think 630 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,519 it was one of the best in the series, and 631 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,799 I would rank it high with any of the highest 632 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:50,960 House of the I mean Game of Thrones episodes. Part 633 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,920 of the I'm sorry, I totally agree with you. 634 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,839 Speaker 2: I was. I absolutely loved the episode. And first of all, 635 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,240 we was stunning beautiful. I mean, they spend so much money, 636 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,279 it is gorgeous. But I also think that a show 637 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,440 like this that that realized heavily on on on fights 638 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,079 and and and you know and history and all that 639 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,880 and death and family, they have to bring what they 640 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000 what I think they brought this episode, It is emotion, 641 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:23,519 you know, like it's people feeling something. Yeah, can I 642 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:26,119 just And when you bring that in, then then you 643 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,400 know they become humans. 644 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,079 Speaker 1: That's it. Uh, Because going off my point, what I 645 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:36,720 was saying, was this episode did not suddenly make these 646 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,200 characters more fun to watch. Certainly no one was having 647 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,599 like a campy moment or anything like that. It was 648 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,200 still very, very self serious. But you nailed it. I 649 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640 felt like people were acting like people like people were 650 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,160 even because of that, the drama was engaging. But really 651 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,079 the number one thing for me throughout this episode, I 652 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,720 kept thinking of myself, Wow, this is so well written 653 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,799 when you think of the number of moving parts in 654 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,039 this story and the number of people with opposing agendas 655 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,559 and overlapping agendas, right, and the fact that you can 656 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,519 keep track of this without even trying all that hard. 657 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,840 Because I said that going into this season, I was like, 658 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,239 I'm not doing the research. I'm not doing any of it. 659 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,000 These episodes have to stand on their own, I agree, 660 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,960 And this episode I was like, Wow, there is so 661 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,519 much going on. There are so many people moving back 662 00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,039 and forth throughout these scenes, and I get it. I 663 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:40,719 get all of it. And when we were watching Allison 664 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,079 desperately trying to manage that situation, I was like, Wow, 665 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:48,400 this is all so fucked up because they set all 666 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,639 the pieces up so well, Like, I don't know that 667 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,679 Alison knew that Jasiras was dead. 668 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 2: I don't probably not. 669 00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand how Lady Jane of the Veil who 670 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,559 told Ryana that he was I don't know how she 671 00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:07,039 knew that, but whatever, there's spies or whatever. But I 672 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,159 did not get the impression that Alison understood that that 673 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,239 Cessaras was dead. They didn't know a lot of things. 674 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,960 They didn't know a lot of it, didn't know about 675 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,880 her father, right, there's a lot. So there were all 676 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,000 of these moving parts and then like Rhyania, and again 677 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,000 it's like you don't realize that until a character voice 678 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:31,519 is this. They Rania and Damon came into the castle 679 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,719 thinking they were going to find Agon there and they 680 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,199 didn't even know that Agon is gone, which makes it 681 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,639 makes to show more reo, I think, because but yeah, 682 00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:43,480 that's the part of it that it's like nobody text 683 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:47,000 he that works really well is that lack of communication. 684 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,159 To be honest, this was something that Tolkien was really 685 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,599 really big on h in his work, and I guess 686 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,119 George R. R. Martin has has brought that into it. The 687 00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:58,880 idea that when you have this many moving parts, when 688 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,840 you have these many people with agendas and everything lack 689 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,519 of communication can be an absolute disaster people who don't 690 00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:08,559 know what's going on. 691 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, you saw that a lot with Lord of the Rings, 692 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,039 where situations happening and and and things moving right separately. 693 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,880 You know, they didn't even know. 694 00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did love that all throughout the episode 695 00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:27,719 as Alison, who I disliked tumendously, but you could feel it, 696 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,360 the rising panic in her throat and everything as she 697 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,000 was trying to manage this situation, and she actually did 698 00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:37,559 at the end of it. She actually did manage the 699 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,840 situation really well and survived an attempted rape on top 700 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,159 of it. 701 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,639 Speaker 2: I know, which which apparently he's not part of the book. 702 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,119 Speaker 1: I didn't mind it. There were people getting mad at it, 703 00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,360 because of course House of the Dragon was sort of 704 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,599 infamous for that, for having far too many scenes of 705 00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:57,519 sexual assault and kind of lingering on that thing. Give 706 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:02,159 me Lord of the Rings not I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah, 707 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,719 Game of Thrones lingered on that had too many rape 708 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,119 scenes in it. But House of the Dragon is, more 709 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:14,760 so than Game of Thrones ever, was specifically about patriarchal systems. 710 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,960 It's about women seeking power in systems that don't allow 711 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,599 them to seek power, and because of that, and because 712 00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:26,360 of the criticisms of Game of Thrones, I think they 713 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,559 sort of took a step back from depicting that too much. 714 00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,920 But I did think it worked in that scene. I 715 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,639 did think it made sense in that scene. First off, 716 00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:39,719 there was nothing lascivious about it, or I mean it was. 717 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:43,519 It was shot in as coldly clinical a manner as 718 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,559 you can shoot a scene like that, and it was 719 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:48,400 over fairly quickly, so I didn't feel like they lingered 720 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,320 on it or exploited it. It should be noted that the 721 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,079 director of the episode was a woman, and I don't 722 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,280 think that's coincidental. 723 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:56,639 Speaker 2: Make a very good point. You felt it felt brutal 724 00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:59,440 without sexualizing no anyway. 725 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: Or being fatcy about it. 726 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:02,119 Speaker 2: It's brutal and. 727 00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:08,559 Speaker 1: Ugly and quick. And I also think there's something to 728 00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:12,400 be said for having violent acts depicted in that way, 729 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,960 you know, depicting them in a manner that what the 730 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,559 fuck just happened, because that's often the case with violin acts. 731 00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:22,360 They don't linger, they don't act, there's not balatic actions 732 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,559 in them. They're quick and ugly and they leave people confused. 733 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,679 So I actually thought all of that was handled really 734 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:39,320 really well, So Rightierra, Okay, Emma Darcy, this whole episode 735 00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:44,280 is their Emmy reel. I'm sorry, I'm very distracted because 736 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,039 there's a twenty two pound cat who insists on sitting 737 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,800 right next to my microphone. I literally don't have any 738 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,920 place to put my hands right now. So this was 739 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,800 Emma Darcy's Emmy's real. Emma Darcy's Emmy's real. Uh, that's 740 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,159 not easy to say. The scene where Ryan Neier, it's 741 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:12,119 difficult because right, neerer is is a she, but Emma 742 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,199 is a day. So if you hear me using she, 743 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,639 I am referring to her character. Uh, the scene where 744 00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:25,199 she uh sees Sarah's and and oh god, it's so 745 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,119 beautifully done because I mean I remember when the scene 746 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:31,119 first started. I was like, oh, look, they're going to 747 00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:32,880 show it. They're going to show this, and this is 748 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,360 going to be hard, like it's a mother's you know, 749 00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:41,559 discovering her son's death. And I just think, Darcy, the 750 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:45,440 way they handled that scene, just just the confusion at 751 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,519 the beginning, and then the the the way she would 752 00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,440 not accept it. You know, she kept saying, just Era's wait, 753 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,079 you know, get up that sort of thing. What is 754 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,280 this what have you done? And then when the realization 755 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,199 comes in, and then it goes from sobbing, from crying 756 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,280 to that the kind of full body racking sobs that 757 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,119 you would need an actor to do in a scene 758 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:10,440 like that, because that's the thing that's got to be 759 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,360 one of the hardest things any actor has to pull off. 760 00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:17,000 Any decent actor can cry on command, but to do 761 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:23,079 that a mother's grief over there. Yeah, I never forgot 762 00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:27,800 broad Church. Yes, that was when Olivia Coleman when she 763 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,320 found and that wasn't grief. That was actually she found 764 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,480 out something terrible about her husband. And that was the 765 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,320 first time I had seen her. That was and I 766 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,599 remember thinking, Jesus Christ, that is some of the best 767 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:41,199 I like to pull that kind of despair out of 768 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,239 yourself where it just is coming from your whole body. 769 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:50,079 Speaker 2: I think this show works also because of those two ladies, 770 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,199 I mean, no ladies, those two actors, actress Olivia Cook 771 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,360 and Amma Dorsey. They're very good. 772 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: I should say I had the alac but I think 773 00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:03,000 your Cook is great. But she makes me hate Allison. 774 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 2: Right, she's great. I mean they're young, they're both young actors, 775 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,760 but they're good. Yeah, they're very good. 776 00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:13,159 Speaker 1: So yes, and then Ranier returns on her whole council, 777 00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,280 and I thought for a minute there she was going 778 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,400 to order all of them to kill themselves. 779 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 2: I just want to point out that apparently in the 780 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,639 book she's never locked and then and the body was 781 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:25,519 never found. 782 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,679 Speaker 1: Of the Sarah's body. Ye. 783 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was something that the show decided, and 784 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,599 I think it was for the It worked, it really worked. 785 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: And also, yeah, her anger at being locked into that 786 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,639 room really plays with the themes of the show, which 787 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:45,360 is that these women look at that scene at the 788 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,679 Red Keep in the Throne room where they are faced 789 00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:52,840 with the King's guard and she unsheathes her sword and 790 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,880 they all start laughing at her. And I mean, you 791 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,039 saw this in Game of Thrones as well, anytime a 792 00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:03,400 woman achieved power. All the men were very condescending about it. Sure, 793 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:06,880 and you know that's very painfully accurate to the real 794 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,679 world as well. But I thought it played well with 795 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,719 the themes of the story that the men that the 796 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,400 women in these stories are are seeking power, but they 797 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,840 rely on the men. Yes, they do execute their will, 798 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:26,960 and that is a dichotomy that none of them can 799 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,719 get past. This whole thing. You saw that with Allison, 800 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:36,159 where she was in mortal danger the entire episode, while 801 00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,440 at the same time she was trying to execute her 802 00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:43,760 queenly will, trying to order men around and hoping that 803 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,840 just her will could get this done for her, and 804 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,320 it did. 805 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,199 Speaker 2: I think that's one of the hardest things as a 806 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,239 viewer is to watch that because you have to be 807 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,119 true to the books, but at the same time, you 808 00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:01,199 want these these lady characters succeed in do well and 809 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:01,760 have power. 810 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: Now I don't, I don't, and I don't want either 811 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,239 one of them to exactly. 812 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,079 Speaker 2: I do know how the story ends, and I do know. 813 00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:08,840 You know. 814 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,599 Speaker 1: The thing is, there is no winner. It's just who, 815 00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,119 you know, who gets to sit on the throne until 816 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:21,519 they're violently overthrown. I'm not giving anything away. I was 817 00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,519 a little surprised that she wound up on the throne 818 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,480 so quick quickly. But I will say this whole episode, 819 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,320 these two episodes felt like the end of a season. 820 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,559 This would have been that shot of Allison looking at 821 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,760 her father's body would have been a perfect way to 822 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,400 end a season, like what a cliffhanger, But apparently they 823 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,880 only have six more episodes to go, and there's a 824 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,880 lot of stuff, but I was unhappy with the way 825 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,719 the previous season ended. And man, if these first two 826 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,320 episodes had been the last two episodes, I would have 827 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,679 been saying I would have been fully on board for 828 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,360 season three. 829 00:43:58,559 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 2: But even HBO didn't have them. 830 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: They didn't have the money. But what else can we 831 00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:08,000 talk about? I think one of the characters, go ahead, 832 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,320 I just want about Lord Laris and Aggon. Yes, yes, 833 00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:17,599 they are quickly turning into the sort of uh comedic 834 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,239 right uh you know, foils of the story. They're not 835 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,840 exactly hilarious, but there's humor. There's humor there, and honestly, 836 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,920 I don't know where that's going. They got out of 837 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,559 that situation and and then he he basically you know, 838 00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:36,880 asserted himself over Laris. So I don't know, I actually 839 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,159 have no idea where that story's going at. 840 00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:41,559 Speaker 2: That because referring back to Lord of the Rings, it's 841 00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,599 one of those situations where there's a there will be 842 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,599 another story going on, you know, and nobody knew. Everybody 843 00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:47,199 think he's dead. 844 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,559 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones was always very good about that. The 845 00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:54,639 previous series was it was always good about sending characters 846 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,920 off and on side quests and on side stories. So 847 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,880 I am actually looking for to where they take these 848 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,639 two and what's going on with them. Similarly, Rhyana and 849 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,719 Sheep Stealer, I think she's a great character. I think 850 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,320 she's a really great character. And I think Phoebe Campbell 851 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,400 is doing I didn't mention this, but in last week's episode, 852 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,800 the whole scene of her approaching sheep Stealer and again 853 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,880 I'm using her to refer to Rhyina because Phoebe Campbell 854 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,800 is non binary. That whole scene of her approaching sheep 855 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,599 Stealer and trying to get on his back and everything, 856 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,000 and the acting is so the beer on their face 857 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,760 and everything, And I remember sitting there thinking they they 858 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,639 did this in the studio with a green scream. None 859 00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:46,719 of this was happening. I know, sometimes, especially with the 860 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,159 dragon stuff, you really need to take a moment and 861 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,800 realize as realistic as those things, there's nothing behind, nothing, 862 00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:57,320 not they were in a studio shooting this stuff, looking 863 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,840 at a tennis ball that drive it act scared, I thought. 864 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,800 Speaker 2: Conversation with Lady Lady Jane, I think, yeah. 865 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: Lady Jane is such a bitch. I love her. First 866 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,440 of all, she's gorgeous, her costumes are beautiful. She's cold, Yeah, 867 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,760 give me more characters like that. Entertaining bitchy characters. 868 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 2: You know, that is something to show. But my point 869 00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:20,000 is that her expression, her face, her despair. When she's 870 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,239 starting her despair, it's. 871 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,519 Speaker 1: Not really bad. It really killed a family member essentially, 872 00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:28,519 and now Rainier wants to know who was right again, 873 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,920 I love that because they think that it's someone you know, 874 00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:35,239 it's on the green side, and they need to find 875 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,039 out who this person is. That no idea that all 876 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,719 of this is getting more and more complicated because people 877 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:42,920 don't have information. 878 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:46,679 Speaker 2: All they know she's heading two pintos or yeah, that place, 879 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,000 who knows what what? Well, she's staying in the veil 880 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,440 apparent right right, I mean, apparently she has no place 881 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:53,480 to go. She's gonna have to hide with her directon. 882 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 1: With her dragon. Yeah so and then oh yeah, sir 883 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,639 Simon Strong got killed at harn such a great his 884 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,800 useless large adult sons, I know, but they did manage 885 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,440 to get aimoned. I mean he did collapse on the 886 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,599 floor in front of Alice Rivers. And who the hell 887 00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:14,639 knows she's going to sleep with him. She's gonna, I 888 00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,960 guess she hates Damon now because Damon laughed at her 889 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:18,840 when she asked. 890 00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 2: For doesn't want to give her a castle. 891 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: That doesn't want to give her a castle, and she 892 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,880 is a witch. So she's gonna my favorite character. 893 00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:29,519 Speaker 2: She's going to give her, give her something. 894 00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:35,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, But what a turn of events, because now what 895 00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:37,800 what happens with the Greens, Like they all seem to 896 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,679 be kind of powerless at the moment. Outahi Tower is 897 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:46,960 dead by the way, my god, he's yeah, Aimond is incapacitated, 898 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:51,280 Aigon is wandering somewhere, and Helena just wants to raise chickens. 899 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,480 So what what's left? As you said, it would have 900 00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:59,440 been a great and I know, and then of a season. 901 00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that. 902 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 1: They wound up beheading Otto High Tower because they wanted 903 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,639 to be head Agon and that was the plan. And 904 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,320 Allison actually agreed to have her son be killed by Rhinia. 905 00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:19,440 She did not agree to have her father be killed 906 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,840 by her, And so she's going to kind of treat 907 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,360 this as a betrayal. But as with everything Allison does, 908 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,800 I'm like, is it really a betrayal lady? Like your 909 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,920 father is the reason why all of this happened, right, 910 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,719 And when she and Rhiniera had that meeting list season, 911 00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,000 I mean, they understood and they made it very clear 912 00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:43,119 in order for ray Near to take the throne, people 913 00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:48,639 will need to be executed in Allison's family, So she 914 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,440 didn't execute her son. She executed her father. And like, Okay, 915 00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:53,320 I guess you can be mad, but how mad can 916 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,159 you be? You agreed to this, you set this up, 917 00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,519 I know, and I loved. I loved the beheading scene, 918 00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:02,239 which is such a crazy things like that. It was brutal, 919 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,920 it was, but it was two things about it that 920 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,320 I was like, good directing, very very very good directing. 921 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:11,639 Speaker 2: When she walked. 922 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 1: Around behind him, yes, and the whole crowd surged forward 923 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,639 because they all wanted a better view of his beheading, 924 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,760 And if you know anything about public executions in like 925 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,519 the medieval era or like, that was what they were 926 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,960 like people, even though even the you know, the aristocracy 927 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:33,320 loved a good beheading. So I love that so weird 928 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,920 to me. And then the moment where she walks to 929 00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:40,960 the throne and slips in his blood, and I'm like, 930 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,199 I know that's not subtle, but I still think it's 931 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,039 great direct. 932 00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,079 Speaker 2: The shot of the throne reflected in the Blood, which 933 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,760 was absolutely fantastic, really. 934 00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 1: Well staged, really well. 935 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,599 Speaker 2: Now I think the show is great. Nothing's pretty, you know. 936 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,760 Speaker 1: Everything, it's just but I was so impressed with this 937 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,280 episode everybody. The acting was fantastic, the writing was so 938 00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:12,199 sharp and smart, and the directing was just you gotta 939 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,760 really have a handle on this material or it just 940 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,960 becomes a muddy mess. Yeah, and we've seen that happen 941 00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:20,079 with both Game of Thrones and episodes of House of 942 00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,920 the Dragon, where you can tell the material just kind 943 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,519 of got away from the director, the or the screenwriters. 944 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,599 But this was an episode where it's like everybody is 945 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,599 so on their game right now. They it really felt 946 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,639 like everybody involved was like, Okay, we need to move 947 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,360 the story, all of the stories forward, but we also 948 00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:40,880 need to not lose the audience. Like everything needs to 949 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:41,599 be crystal clear. 950 00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 2: And I think, as you said, the show did a 951 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,000 very good job showing everything and keep you interested even 952 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,800 if you never read the books. I mean like that's 953 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,079 how I felt. Yeah, watching the entire episode, I was like, 954 00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:53,239 this is good. I'm enjoyed this to the point that 955 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,519 I almost watch it again. Yeah, that's a good time. 956 00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:57,880 I might watch it again just because because it was 957 00:50:58,159 --> 00:50:59,320 it was great. It was great. 958 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: Also, I did love that corless Filaria. I was going 959 00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:07,199 to be united with his family firely black family now, yeah, 960 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,400 and although they have no place to go, but I 961 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,039 did love that scene with Bayla and his two sons 962 00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,760 and where she said to Alan, She's like, I'm tired 963 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,360 of losing people. And I'm like, all right, what's this family? 964 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,679 Speaker 2: Now? What are you all going to have? 965 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: Because that their castle was burning, and yeah, I don't 966 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,079 know what happens, what's going to happen? Literally, that's the thing. 967 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,519 We're in a spot where it's like, wow, I have 968 00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:29,559 no idea where any of this is going, and I 969 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:30,920 am very happy with that. 970 00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:33,280 Speaker 2: That's good. So it's great. I can't wait for the 971 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,440 next episode. Same. 972 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 1: I can't believe he said that, but like. 973 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,119 Speaker 2: I said, it was really well done. And and my 974 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,000 frustration sometimes watching shows like these. You said, I didn't 975 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,920 read the books, so I don't know these people. I 976 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,360 don't know their history. You know, all these eggs and 977 00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:49,920 dropping in, I have no clue what they are, you know, 978 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,400 like you know what I mean. But so you just 979 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,320 want to appreciate the show for what it is, and 980 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,199 when they do a good job with that, then yeah, 981 00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:57,239 they succeed. 982 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,599 Speaker 1: I agree, And with that, I think we're going to 983 00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:04,159 wrap u up. We will not be back next week 984 00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:06,519 because we're going to be on vacation, but we will 985 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:10,519 have a Bitter Kitten Movie Club dropping next Friday. We're 986 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:13,519 going to be watching The Materialists. We're recording that tonight 987 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,320 nice and we'll publish that next Friday, and then we'll 988 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,920 be back, so we will. We will not be recapping 989 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,400 the next House of the Dragon until we get back 990 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,960 in two weeks. Until then, take care of yourselves, love 991 00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:26,519 you mean it. 992 00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:27,280 Speaker 2: Bye bye bye