WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.279 The weather in England will soon start to be colder. 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:08.439 John once again became another year older who left c 3 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:11.160 with the shock of the round. The Giants announce that 4 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:13.919 they're moving ground. Wigan were good and played like a 5 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:18.000 top biller, but Leeds piped Wakey in a Bellvue thriller. 6 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:22.719 Welcome to the thirty second episode of Super League three sixty, 7 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:26.160 a podcast primarily about the top tier of British rugby league, 8 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:28.600 but we have a few other things, including a little 9 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:32.759 bit of an RL as well. My name is Lee Addison. 10 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.079 My name is John Davidson. Wake up John. 11 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:43.280 I'm in Australia. John John a journo in the UK. 12 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:45.719 You may have heard him on sen Radio if you 13 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:48.920 listen to that on a Monday morning in Australia, but 14 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.560 please read the description or listen to old pods for 15 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:55.520 full details about us. If you are listening on the 16 00:00:55.520 --> 00:01:00.840 Ashes Rugby League podcast platform, please switch old to Super 17 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:05.599 League three sixty or Rugby League Coach podcast platforms. John, 18 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:07.840 You'll have to talk for a minute because my computers 19 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:15.040 doing a bit of freezing, so. 20 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:12.640 I can talk. 21 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:16.120 I'm just I'm just trying to g up the some 22 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:18.400 really good questions and listener food back this week. But 23 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:23.519 is been that much happened since we last recording, Yeah, 24 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:27.799 particularly even in the last forty eight hours. That Yeah, 25 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:29.959 we might be a three hour part. Hopefully it might't 26 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:33.120 because we've put some people to sleep, but there's a lot. 27 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:36.879 You can also watch this on the Rugby League YouTube 28 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:46.959 channel and also listen to us on Rugby League dot com. 29 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:49.640 Uh, where do we start? Where do we start? Saint 30 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:54.239 Helens and Hull Left C played on Thursday. Hull hadn't 31 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:56.799 won a game for two months and they'd lost seven 32 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:00.519 on the bounce, but they managed to roll a Saint 33 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:03.519 Helen's in this game. I'll go through the scorers and 34 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:08.159 the score first. This now means Saint Helens have lost 35 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:10.919 six of the last seven and then I think we've 36 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:12.960 got plenty to one pack, haven't we when it comes 37 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:17.759 to Saint Helen's in particular. So Saint Helen's eighteen Hull 38 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.560 FC thirty two Saint Helens tries from Murphy, Wellsby and 39 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:26.280 Robertson and three goals from Hasting. Hull f c's thirty 40 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:30.719 two three from Baron hat trick for Baron. Martin scored 41 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:34.199 a try, cust and Bell also scored, and Hardacre scored 42 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:40.000 four goals and Baron's first senior Hatrick means things are 43 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.400 pretty barren in Saint Helen's and I think it's their 44 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:48.080 first win in a long long time in Saint Helen's. 45 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:53.520 John sold plenty to one pack there. Yeah, I mean, god, 46 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.199 this the whole court of evening. I mean, there was 47 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:58.680 probably a bit of good news in there. 48 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:02.080 When I'm in McManus announced that Sint Helen's are going 49 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:07.159 to play I'll c in Dublin on the Sunday twenty 50 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.599 four hours after or just over twenty four hours after, 51 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:11.280 we're going to Warrant announce their game, which we're going 52 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:15.319 to talk about. But even that announcement, like you just 53 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:17.680 announced it on Sky, why would you not pair up 54 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.439 We we're going to Warranton and do a proper media event, 55 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.159 promoted properly. I mean even that, I mean that interview, 56 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:28.439 the mcmanuson interview, I don't think on Sky really revealed 57 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:32.120 anything of NOE. There wasn't much depth to it. And 58 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.479 then the performance of the team. They're in it for 59 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.800 a bit and then they just completely fell away. And 60 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.919 you know, hullof c have had a terrible year. They've 61 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:44.120 been very poor all this game, but they really deserve 62 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:47.800 that win. And Saint Helen's is just it was embarrassing, 63 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.680 you know, the crowd size as well. I don't know 64 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:54.039 what the figure was, but there was empty sways around 65 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:57.240 the brew Dog and everything about Saint Helen's. I mean, 66 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.000 we've we've I've written about it, We've talked about it 67 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:00.919 in quite a few pods. 68 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.759 Now it's just a club in a big, big hole. 69 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:04.879 Mm hmm. 70 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.840 The chairman made some comments last week too. Would you 71 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.360 like to tell us about what well summarized I suppose 72 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:13.439 what he said. 73 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:16.759 Yeah, well, I mean he obviously they didn't make any 74 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:21.399 comment after the initial released that Paul Rollie was stepping 75 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:22.920 down even though they'd sacked him. 76 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.759 But there wasn't. We didn't really have any much clarity 77 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:26.199 after that. 78 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:28.879 Interview either, I don't think really, you know, it wasn't 79 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:34.639 particularly engaging interview. There was just a lot of you know, 80 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:36.639 a lot of spin and a lot of nonsense said. 81 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:38.360 You know, there wasn't. 82 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:42.600 I don't think he was particularly well, you know, put 83 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:45.199 to it was all sort of friendly. But the fact is, 84 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:50.240 you know McManus is the one making the key decisions 85 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:52.079 now as the chairman and has been for a long 86 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:54.439 long time. And you know, I think I think Brian 87 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:56.399 Carney mentioned and this was a really good point. He 88 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.360 said that Nick Manus had said or written previously that 89 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.399 twenty four and twenty five of the worst seasons that 90 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:05.399 you know, in his twenty six years, or I think 91 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:08.560 he took over in two thousand, So this year's got 92 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:11.279 to be even worse. So it's basically all gone downhill. 93 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.600 And why is that the case? I mean, I've just 94 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.399 broken a story an hour or two ago that they're 95 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:20.639 going to shop their named Donald around. 96 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.759 So he's another player contracted for next year. 97 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.759 So it just goes to show how bad the recruitment 98 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.720 and how bad the decision making has been at that 99 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:30.680 club that they're trying to move on a lot of 100 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.199 the players who are contracted, so they're going to have 101 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:33.839 to pay them out. 102 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:37.480 It's going to cost him a lot of money. And yeah, 103 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:37.920 it's just. 104 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:43.000 Well everything you're saying there, it's not been a overnight 105 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.120 sensation that they've been going backwards. It's been there for 106 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:50.480 a while and there's some institutionally flawed things there in 107 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:55.519 terms of yeah, Saint Helen's standards overall, in particularly in 108 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.920 the Super League era. I mean, I think we do 109 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.680 have to put it in some context. I would teams 110 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:03.000 like Castleford and Hull would love to have Saint Helen's 111 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.240 problems right now. But the fact of the matter is 112 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:09.319 for Saint Helen's and Saint helens fans this is this 113 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:10.920 is a really poor period. 114 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:13.120 You did mention. 115 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:19.759 Games traveling overseas, so there's been announcements of games in 116 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:24.439 Dublin and also you mentioned something about a Manchester event. 117 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:28.920 Let's talk about roles. I know Wigan Wigan were the 118 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.040 first to announce, but because we're on Saint Helens and 119 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:34.680 Hull left C and they're playing each other over there, 120 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:36.399 thought this will be a good time to talk about 121 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:36.920 this one. 122 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:39.560 Yeah. So on Wednesday. 123 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:43.160 Warrington and Wigan held event at an Irish bar in Manchester, 124 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.839 which I think is situated in what was the Island 125 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.040 or what was you know, an area where many Irish 126 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.040 migrants came many many years ago. I mean, we all 127 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:56.120 knew that we're going to play in Dublin in twenty seven. 128 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.600 I think I actually broke the story in the ipaper 129 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:01.319 last year, but it's taken them a long while to 130 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.920 now down the date where they. 131 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:04.240 Could do it. 132 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:07.480 So April twenty four, on the Saturday, they're going to 133 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:09.879 play at the I think it's called the Layer Arena, 134 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:13.040 which is the home ground of Leinster Rugby Union Club. 135 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:16.800 Capacity about twenty thousand, and it is the first ever 136 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:22.040 Super League game in Ireland. So you know, I think 137 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:24.639 it's a great idea. I'm a big, big supporter of 138 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:25.199 the venture. 139 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:26.600 You know. 140 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.600 I think Wigan and Warrington have kind of been flag 141 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:31.959 bearers standard barrs for this, you know, playing games in 142 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:34.759 Paris and Barcelona and Vegas. 143 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:41.160 And yeah, so I went to the event. There was 144 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:42.000 a well done event. 145 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.279 You know, you've got to kind of do these things 146 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.040 if you want to break out of the bubble and 147 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.399 get publicity from different sources and make an impact. 148 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:51.680 And I thought they did that really well. 149 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.959 But we all kind of knew that there was talks 150 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.160 about another game on that weekend and I think Hull, 151 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:01.120 See and Wakefield had been reported as interested, but there 152 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:02.079 was no announcement. 153 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:04.879 There's no joined up thinking. And then it was twenty four. 154 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:07.399 You know, when a lot of people, most of me, 155 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.360 had already booked their flights that there will be a 156 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.759 game on the Sunday between So I think not to 157 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.879 be negative, but it's just kind of a sign that 158 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:19.160 can't we, you know, work together and you know, have 159 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:23.759 a strategy, have a national coordinator or a central strategy 160 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:27.319 to do these things as one. 161 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:29.439 Strategy is the key word. Let's let's unpack it, let's 162 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:32.200 critically analyze it a little bit. You said during your 163 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:35.320 discussion of it there you think it's a good idea 164 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:41.960 and a breakout moment, et cetera. Just maybe in the 165 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:45.080 last five years, just give us a little summary, how 166 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.039 many games have been played overseas, how many Super League 167 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:51.120 games have been played overseas, with the exception of Cattle 168 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:51.919 Amazon to lose. 169 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:54.039 Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, with the exception 170 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:54.480 of France. 171 00:08:54.519 --> 00:09:00.360 Well, obviously Vegas this year, whole current Leeds Paris, we're 172 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.840 going to play Catlands in Paris. The year before we're 173 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.000 going to Warrant and played in Vegas. I think it 174 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:11.840 was twenty nineteen. We can played excuse me, Catlands at 175 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:16.519 the New Camp before that, I I've seen we can 176 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:19.279 took games to to a game to Wollongong and each 177 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:22.720 played a game in Sydney against the Nant er old team, 178 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.000 which I think, off the top of my head, I'm 179 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:29.360 going to say that was twenty seventeen. Yeah, yeah, it 180 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.480 seems like a million years ago. But the idea, and 181 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:34.960 I'll just explain quickly, I think it's a good idea 182 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.080 because I don't think, particularly the situation the rugby leagues 183 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.080 in it needs to get new fans, it needs to 184 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:42.879 get younger fans, and it needs to get fans for 185 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.440 each over. And I think in Ireland they love their sport. 186 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:49.559 There is a latent support. I think there are some 187 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:53.000 rugby league fans, but there are sports fans who may 188 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:56.960 be attracted to this game. They may watch it. I 189 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:01.799 think it's not an expensive, you know trip, although Dublin's 190 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.759 not the cheapest city, but it's close to these places 191 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:06.759 so it's not hard to get to. It's not Vegas, 192 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.679 it's not Australia, and I think it's doing something different. 193 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:13.879 You know, other sports do it. 194 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.000 Rugula league does it as well, and you know, I 195 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:19.159 think it's Yeah, I think it can be a positive 196 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.440 if it's done right, if it's done well and you know, 197 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:22.519 marketing properly. 198 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:27.960 I do have concerns about our fans who, particularly if 199 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.039 you're a fan of a club such as a Wigan 200 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:32.759 or I was going to say Saint Helen's them, but 201 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:37.360 leads or someone okay, are right now you're constantly depending 202 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:42.080 in your pocket for yes for these trips. One of 203 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.200 the reasons we are told the Challenge Cup isn't working 204 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.559 from people who are trying to analyze why that crowd 205 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:51.159 has dwindled over the years is that there's too many 206 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:57.080 big events. So to add another give me some concern. Secondly, 207 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.679 when did we go to Barcelona? Was it twenty nineteen? 208 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.919 Did you say how much bigger is the game in 209 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:11.399 that region since we went there? How many more fans 210 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:14.679 are tuning into the Super League in the NRL Vegas, 211 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:17.960 how many more fans are tuning in in America? And 212 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.200 we've been going there for four years now, and what 213 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.799 is the uptake of rugby league since then? 214 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:25.600 Now? 215 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:28.559 I know that the comeback there is we've got to 216 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.799 start somewhere. Yes, Well, one thing we've done too much 217 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.039 of in rugby league is start somewhere and then move 218 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:37.960 on from it. And I would already argue we've done 219 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:41.679 that in Barcelona only a matter of seven years ago. 220 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:50.840 The other thing is you mentioned new fans. There's places 221 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.360 a lot closer to Wigan who left C Saint Helen's 222 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:57.840 and Warrington where we can get new fans as well. 223 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:00.519 And I don't know. 224 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:06.279 I'm split in the sense that yes, I'd love to 225 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:09.399 see a rugby league game in Dublin, but I also 226 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:12.279 really want to see a strategy in Dublin as well, 227 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.679 so make sure that game is bigger in Ireland in 228 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:19.879 ten years time, twenty years time. And that's a difference 229 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:23.840 between tactics and strategy. Tactics are short term ways of 230 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:28.039 getting towards your strategy. This is smacking to me of 231 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.200 all tactics and no strategy. At least Vegas is a strategy. 232 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:33.840 It's to try it. 233 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:34.440 Now. 234 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:37.559 Whether that strategy is working or not is a completely 235 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:43.000 different issue. And there's enough to suggest that PVL and 236 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.759 the NRL am getting everything that they want from the 237 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.559 original plan and they've actually pivoted on what the goal is. 238 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:54.279 What Vegas has turned into is it completely dominates the 239 00:12:54.320 --> 00:13:00.360 Australian media landscape. That does so sometimes sometimes you know, 240 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.000 it was like when I initially started my rugby league 241 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:06.159 coach business, I didn't think I'd been doing podcasts on 242 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.279 the Super League and things like that, so you do pivot. 243 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:13.200 So I want to know what the strategy is. And 244 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:15.799 I'm not necessarily asking John Davidson. I'm asking the Rugby 245 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:24.559 League fraternity. I'm asking the Irish diaspora. What is the strategy? 246 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:26.679 Well, yeah, I mean I think I think the strategy 247 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:28.799 for wiging to Warranton is different to what the strategy 248 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:32.519 for lack of strategy is for the RFL or Super League. 249 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:34.159 I've got no. 250 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.039 You know, false ideas that this is part of a 251 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.799 coordinator strategy and we're going to have games in Ireland 252 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:46.519 for the next ten years. But having been to Vegas 253 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:49.799 and having been to Barcelona, I can see that, you know, 254 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.360 the impact is has on the fans who go, who 255 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:56.399 have a fantastic time, who energized about their sport, about 256 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.639 their community, about their club. You know, I went to 257 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:04.480 Vegae somewhat maybe skeptical or before the first round, before 258 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:06.360 the first year. I went in the second year watching 259 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.600 it on TV, but it looked and sounded great on 260 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:12.200 the box. And having gone to Vegas, it is just 261 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:14.879 a remarkable thing to be there with all these Rugby 262 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:18.279 League fans in Vegas. Passing stevens on the strip and 263 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.440 you playing in an amazing stadium. So and as you mentioned 264 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:26.320 about dominating the media, which it does in Australia, it 265 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.559 basically knocks all the other sports off. So I think 266 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:33.600 that Vegas does supercharge the sport in the NRL. And 267 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:38.200 I think these ventures in well just one in Dublin 268 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:41.159 obviously not only does it grab headlines and grub publicity, 269 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.759 I think it's a you know, it's a greater way 270 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.559 day for the fans of those clubs, but also I 271 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:50.200 don't think it'll be ten thousand Warranton fans and ten 272 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:51.000 thousand Wiggan fans. 273 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.519 I think that might be four or five thousand or. 274 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:58.480 More Irish fans at the game or people interested who 275 00:14:58.480 --> 00:14:59.679 are going to have a look. And I know they've 276 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:03.960 already used Danny Farrell, who's obviously, you know, an English 277 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:06.879 ruguy League legend or Wigan legend, and who's the head 278 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.000 coach of the Island national team. Is you know, a 279 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.320 massive figure rugby union. They already used him to promote 280 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:16.480 the game, and yeah, I'm sure his employers are happy 281 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:21.399 about that. Well, look, he's a wiganer, isn't he. Isn't 282 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.080 he a friend of isn't he a friend of yours, lou. 283 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.679 Oh, I know him. Yeah, I'm not talking to him. 284 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:28.360 You work with him, Yeah, you worked with him. 285 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.159 He's a wiginner at heart and I don't think that 286 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:33.120 that changes. 287 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:35.799 As a Rugby League tweet of the week was from 288 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.200 Carlos Alberto. I don't think it's the Carlos Alberto because 289 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:46.320 his tweeting handle is with zero's where the o's should be. 290 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.759 And he said, and this is a nice segue, Ryan 291 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:53.679 Carter Saints with a question mark, nice calm environment doing 292 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:58.600 wonders and of course he is referring to the Cattleford coach. 293 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:02.039 So there's a situation. And there they played. 294 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:02.360 Whole k Ar. 295 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:04.720 We'll go through the scorer first, and I think this 296 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.960 is indicative of the week. The matches are almost a 297 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.440 side show to some of the things that's gone on. 298 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:13.240 It was a win that took whole KR to fourth 299 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:18.120 Castleford nil u k R forty four. Two tries from Davis, 300 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:21.759 two tries from may Lytton at Burgess, Hickham and Martin 301 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.559 were on the score sheet. Martin kicked five goals and 302 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.440 I think he was so tired of kicking goals he 303 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:30.639 gave the kicking duty to Hampshire to knock over another 304 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:37.279 that six second half tries that they scored and their 305 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:42.080 whole kr are up to fourth and they've of course 306 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:46.639 got to play Warrington at some point in this coming century. 307 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:52.720 Now Tuesday, is it Tuesday? Is it in Dublin something? 308 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:56.159 No, it might not be. I don't think it's this ESDA. 309 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.240 I think it's Tuesday. After we'll check the fixtures at 310 00:16:59.279 --> 00:16:59.600 the end. 311 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:06.799 Okay, let's have another forty minute podcast segment. 312 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:09.359 Ryan Carr. 313 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:13.759 This broke not long after released last week's podcast, and 314 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:18.319 it's still not been sorted and nobody still knows. Sorry, 315 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:23.359 still nobody knows the real situation. Although there's plenty of speculation. 316 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:28.039 Yeah, there's plenty of rumor. There's plenty of speculation, plenty 317 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:33.559 of gossip. The whole thing's quite bizarre. Obviously, it's been 318 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.079 a pretty terrible season for Cat and you've seen Ryan 319 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.680 Carr get increasingly. 320 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.680 Angry with pretty much each game, each presser. 321 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:45.039 He's not hid his feelings about his players, or some 322 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:46.200 of his players. 323 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:48.279 Obviously. 324 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:50.880 We had the Leeds game a couple of weeks ago 325 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:55.799 where he could be heard yelling fucking cheat, which was 326 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.839 picked up by the sky cameras, which the RFL went 327 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:03.440 to cast, but the please explain. Then came the game 328 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:09.279 against Warrington where there's been allegations about a spray at halftime, 329 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.240 and then soon after obviously there was a report that 330 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:16.319 he'd been stood down pending in investigation, and then a 331 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.559 couple of days later Cass decided to put out a 332 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:22.480 statement which said stepping well, step aside for personal reason. 333 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:24.920 So we don't really know what the truth is. 334 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:28.880 I've contacted a lot of people and no one seems 335 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:29.359 to have. 336 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:32.039 Yeah, there's very. 337 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:36.319 Yeah, and I'm not gonna I'm not going to share 338 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:39.319 any of the rumors out there, but yeah, there's there's 339 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:40.200 varying tales. 340 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:43.640 I I might summarize the rumors. 341 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:49.079 Sure, there's a bit of a spiky character and may 342 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.519 have said some choice things to players at some point, 343 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.519 may have even it may have even gone further than 344 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:59.319 that with a staff member. So yes, I must stress 345 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:07.799 somebody this is all that's all speculation, And obviously there's 346 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.839 some legal thing, legal implications if they're trying to move 347 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:12.359 him on or something like that. 348 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:16.400 So yeah, well, I think the question for you, Lee 349 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:17.200 is being a coach. 350 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:19.920 Many times, I'm particularly with I guess the modern player, 351 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:22.640 how many times you know, and say, a twenty seven 352 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.200 game season, how many times can you spray them or 353 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.599 you know, go off your brain give them the hair dryer, 354 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:30.160 so to speak, in a season? 355 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.160 Can you do that once? Can you do that twice? 356 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:33.319 Can you do that three times? 357 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:38.640 Like is look, if you'd have to switch off? If 358 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.119 you have asked me five years ago, I would have 359 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:44.440 come up with the trope. You know, yeah, you've got 360 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:46.079 to save your spray this, that and the other. 361 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:46.559 It's funny. 362 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:50.480 Most of the people who who say these things in 363 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:55.319 media environments coached in the eighties and the nineties and 364 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:58.279 then and then and then talk about that. I actually 365 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:05.279 think you're modern player. You can be firm and you 366 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:09.440 can give boundaries, but what you can't be is disrespectful. 367 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:19.519 And we're talking to the most educated and opinionated. If 368 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:24.960 you like playing group in world rugby league history, so 369 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:28.119 many of them will have knowledge about what's right and 370 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:31.640 wrong in what is essentially a workplace in professional rugby league. 371 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:32.920 Okay, and. 372 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.960 It just won't wash anymore if you are going off 373 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:45.319 your brain, if you're absolutely losing your mind and questioning 374 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:53.440 everybody's everything. But that said, if you are genuinely angry, 375 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:58.440 there's no problem. I think it crosses the boundary when 376 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:01.319 and I'm not say justin Ryan Carr has done this 377 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:05.200 at all, But when anger turns into disrespect, anger turns 378 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:10.680 into abuse, anger turns into aggression, that's when it becomes 379 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:18.559 a problem. My big issue with this is obviously something's 380 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:24.759 not right at Castleford. Yeah, this is a matter of 381 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:29.480 months since Ryan Carr got the job. If it is 382 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:34.160 alleged or proven that Ryan Carr was not the person 383 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:39.200 they thought, he was not of sound character for the 384 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:44.400 Castleford organization or sound enough character for the organization, what 385 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:48.680 research did they do on this person prior to appointing him, 386 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:51.759 or did they take the path of least resistance? Listen 387 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.279 to agents, go with the agents giving them the best 388 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:57.960 offer and the best pitch, which is probably closer to 389 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:03.680 the mark. And there's something to be said when clubs 390 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:08.720 churn through coaches, or when clubs have problems with coaches continually. 391 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:10.039 And it's the. 392 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:13.200 Same at Saint Helen's right now, and it's the same 393 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.319 at all LEFC right now. At some point you've got 394 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:17.440 to look at the recruiters. 395 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:23.799 Well, it's interesting you mentioned that because Chris Chester, who's 396 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:26.880 the director of rugby and sort of as one of 397 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:29.119 the people have taken over the coaching duties. In the moment, 398 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.160 he did depressed and he admitted he'd got some of 399 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:32.319 the recruiting decisions are on. 400 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.440 But I think for me, I mean, the whole I 401 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:38.559