1 00:00:03,879 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: So you've made it through three hours of the regular 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,960 show on terrestrial radio and you. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: Wanted a little bit more. 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show podcast, 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,080 where we saved all the best things that we can't 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,359 say on regular radio. 7 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:17,679 Speaker 3: Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk 8 00:00:17,719 --> 00:00:18,280 after Show. 9 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: It is Independence Day weekend and we're now in the 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,440 after show part of that with Michelle and Jim. 11 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 4: Hey guys, Oh hello, hello, happy two fifty brother Yeah, 12 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:30,920 no kid, and had a heck of a party here, 13 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:33,119 had a good time, look like it? Yeah, nice of its? 14 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:36,359 Speaker 2: And pictures, Yeah, I send you some pictures. We got, man, 15 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:37,479 we got flags everywhere. 16 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 4: Holy cal you and all your gun fighter friends. 17 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: That's right, gunfighters, that's right. I don't want to be 18 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:45,640 in a gunfight, but I do want to be able 19 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:46,600 to do that if I happened. 20 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 4: Amen. Amen. 21 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,679 Speaker 2: It's not just fun to learn this stuff. You know 22 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:55,520 what shooting well is fun, It's shooting is difficult and 23 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,119 you never really master it, you know, unless you're one 24 00:00:58,119 --> 00:00:59,439 of those people can put all the shots in the 25 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:01,280 same hole. I haven't met that person yet. 26 00:01:01,439 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 4: Well, is that a setup for Georgia Online one? 27 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: It is exactly for George. Hey George, you're on here. 28 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:09,799 How you doing, partner? 29 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:13,719 Speaker 5: Pretty good, Tom. I've been a listener in your show 30 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,120 quite a while, and quite frankly, one of the issues 31 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:21,760 that seemed to come up more than once in a 32 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:26,959 while is complaints from the shooter saying that no matter 33 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,599 how he moves his sights on his handgun, he cannot 34 00:01:31,719 --> 00:01:35,120 seem to get him moved over far enough to get 35 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,200 the point of impact where his point of aim is. 36 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,239 And I got a commentary here that after many years 37 00:01:43,519 --> 00:01:49,200 of files and tribulations in the sport myself, I have 38 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:52,560 come up with a solution that worked for me. And 39 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,560 quite frankly, I even grafted out for some of the 40 00:01:55,599 --> 00:02:00,280 shooters and showed them with the little diagram that I 41 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,599 put together as to what they're where their point of 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,480 impact is, and what they're doing to cause that point 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,680 of impact being other than the point of being. 44 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: You're not saying that if the problem is actually the 45 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:13,080 shooter out the sites? Are you. 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,199 Speaker 5: Exactly what I'm saying? 47 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: Answer? Yes, sir, it is all right. 48 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 3: It be so formal and. 49 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 4: Nothing very diplomatic. 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,439 Speaker 2: You can you can share it. 51 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 5: Tell us well, quite frankly, uh, it starts off with 52 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,080 the placement of the gun in your hand. Uh. I 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,400 have found that if you're shooting for accuracy, to start 54 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:44,199 off with the smartest thing you could do is take 55 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:47,479 your weekend, put the gun in your weekend and place 56 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,159 it in your master hand, and you're going to be 57 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:55,840 shooting with uh. For that, you are assuring yourself that 58 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,759 you are in the right position with the firearm in 59 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,840 your hand and ready for business. The next thing that 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,560 comes up is the biggest enemy you have with a 61 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:13,560 handgun is your fingertips and your little finger. If you 62 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:19,560 apply pressure with either your fingertips and are your little finger, 63 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,000 you are going to dramatically affect the point of impact 64 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,479 of that bullet. For example, the impact difference is at 65 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:35,280 fifty yards. For example, if you're off with your sites, 66 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,439 as much as a thousandth of an inch, one thousandth 67 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:41,879 of an inch at fifty yards on a handgun will 68 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:45,520 affect the point of impact by at least one inch. 69 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:50,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. Just the physics, the geometry of it of moving 70 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,919 the muzzle, that little bit. You know where you are, 71 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:55,960 you basically it's a cone. You are an angle out there. 72 00:03:56,039 --> 00:03:59,840 So if you move the gun just any smallest amount 73 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,560 you get some deflection way out there. 74 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 5: Sure makes sense, Yes, sir, that's uh, that is fact. 75 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to know about what what do you 76 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,639 talk about with this this pinky finger and all that. 77 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,199 I'm not following. 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 5: Well, if your pinky finger applies pressure to the bottom 79 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:18,800 of the grip, what's going to happen is you're going 80 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,839 to be shooting high into the left. How much trigger 81 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,399 you take with your trigger finger makes a difference too, 82 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,759 if you have If you take too much trigger and 83 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,120 your finger is covering let's say, to the first knuckle 84 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:38,560 before the tip of your finger. If you're taking more 85 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,120 trigger than what you need, you should be using the 86 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,279 pad of that of your finger on that trigger placement. 87 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 4: Right. 88 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:49,399 Speaker 5: If you take too much trigger, what's going to end 89 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,160 up happening is you are going to be moving the 90 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:59,079 muzzle muzzle to the right then, or a right handed. 91 00:04:58,759 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: Shooter hand shooter, possibly left hand. 92 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 5: Shooter, it'll be going the opposite way. 93 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm probably going to end up I'm probably going 94 00:05:07,639 --> 00:05:09,639 to end up disagreeing with you on some of this stuff, 95 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:10,439 So just go ahead. 96 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 5: Well, the uh uh, the movement of the gun also 97 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:21,439 is going to change if you apply pressure with your 98 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:27,319 fingertips on the grip, and this I have taken up 99 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:34,519 not only physically, but also in using a ransom rest. Uh, 100 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,759 you know, if you're going to use a ransom rest 101 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,839 for example, Now. 102 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,879 Speaker 2: Are you Are you talking about shooting one handed? 103 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 5: I'm talking about shooting one handed? Yes, sir. 104 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay, okay, I'm I'm just catching up here 105 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,720 because this is not making sense to me at all 106 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,399 at this point. So you're talking about one handed bulls 107 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:59,839 eye type shooting, yes, sir, exactly, thank you. Okay, all right, right, 108 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,439 We're going to back up and regroup from this because 109 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,040 I'm thinking that a two handed grip and this was 110 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,079 not adding up to me at all. I find I 111 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,759 got oh, okay, okay, now I've caught up with you. 112 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:10,959 I'm sorry, I'm just slow on this. 113 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, two handed grip, you know, requires different sets a 114 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:18,480 different set of geometry being. 115 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm with 116 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:23,519 you now. Yeah. 117 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 5: It's as a matter of fact, a friend of mine 118 00:06:29,319 --> 00:06:33,279 who was on my pistol team for some time, had 119 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,240 a very problem that we're talking about here. So I 120 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,839 talked to the owner of the indoor range where I 121 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,600 had met with him and we set up a camera 122 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:48,680 focused on nothing but the grip of the gun when 123 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,680 he was shooting, and you had to play it back 124 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:56,519 frame by frame to really slow it down to catch 125 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,600 where the mistake was being made. But what he was 126 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,639 doing is he was applying pressure on the grip with 127 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:10,240 his fingertips as he was squeezing the trigger. Yeah, after 128 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,560 we shouted had him shoot a couple of runs, we 129 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,639 went back and we viewed all of this that we 130 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:19,879 had recorded with our camera and he says, well, I'll 131 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,079 be dugne. He says something as simple as that. I said, yes, Jerry, 132 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,399 I said that that's you know, that's what it comes 133 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:28,279 down to, the smallest little detail. 134 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: George. I've heard that described as milking the grip, where 135 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,279 you're actually kind of, if you will, it's kind of 136 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:38,399 like milking a cow and your fingers are working into 137 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:41,120 the grip. Again, for everybody to understand, we are talking 138 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,519 about shooting one handed, bulls eye style shooting. It's a 139 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:47,199 whole different thing than what most people are doing today. 140 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:51,279 But by milking that grip, I just say, you're putting pressure. 141 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,439 You know what it is. You're really you're changing the pressure. 142 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:58,800 If you could grab it consistently that way, that'd be 143 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,399 one thing. But anytime you start changing things up, you're 144 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:03,639 going to move the muzzle exactly. 145 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 5: And that's that's why I said that to start with 146 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,160 the smartest thing to do if you're shooting for accuracy. Now, 147 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:15,800 defensive shooting is different ballgame. You know. It's it's quick draw, 148 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:18,360 a quick shoot, get that first shot off before your 149 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:25,279 threat is going to cause you some damage. But by 150 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:31,519 placing the gun in your hand with your weekend and 151 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:35,159 getting a firm grip on it and let it rip 152 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,519 from there, that's that's where you have to begin, because 153 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,840 the position of the hand on the grip, uh is 154 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:48,039 going to change. You just picked the gun up off 155 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,360 the table, for example, and start. 156 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: Shooting, and we do the same thing with two handed grips. 157 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,799 So it's got to be a consistent grip each time. Otherwise, 158 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,080 if you're changing it up, you're going to get different movement, 159 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:01,799 different pressure points, and then bullet's not going to the 160 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:04,279 same place. George, I'm gonna have to keep moving here, 161 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:06,159 but I appreciate it, you know. I'm glad I finally 162 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:09,080 caught up, because man, I was just trying to think 163 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,960 and thinking, man, this does not make sense. I'm gonna 164 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,759 have to disagree. And then it's just like the light 165 00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:15,279 bulb when I went, oh wait, we're talking bullsy. Yes, 166 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:18,240 I'll just make sense now, Okay, I'm with you. I 167 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,720 had to get on board. Thanks George. I appreciate the call, sir, yeah, 168 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,840 because he was saying, put the gun in your hand 169 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:27,120 with one hand the other, and I'm thinking, how are 170 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,360 you going to build a grip like that? Yeah, I've 171 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:34,639 just gone I did a total flashback way back. I 172 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:40,200 did Bullseye shooting a billion years ago, and back then 173 00:09:40,279 --> 00:09:43,120 it was really interesting. We would try to not have 174 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,120 the side of your the palm of your hand have 175 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:50,600 contacts with the side of the gun. It would have 176 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,799 pressure coming back from your fingers into the front strap 177 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,279 and on the back of your hand into the back 178 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,159 of the gun, so you could just apply pressure with 179 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,120 your finger. I'm sure they have much better technique now. 180 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,519 And that was probably wrong because I didn't do much 181 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:05,679 that was right way back then. 182 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:09,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, but back then your bench was a torontosaurus or something, 183 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:09,600 wasn't it. 184 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: That's true, you know, but you know they were very 185 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:13,799 slow moving, so it was okay you're just using the 186 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,039 nice bit there you go, oh okay, well right, yeah, 187 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,399 it isn't interesting that we don't hear anybody much talking 188 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,559 about bulls eye pistol shooting anymore. I mean, I know 189 00:10:25,639 --> 00:10:28,519 it's still there, and in fact, as we're speaking right now, 190 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:29,039 they're doing it. 191 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: They can't parry, right, it's coming up, yeah, coming up. 192 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean, so there is still bulls eye shooting, 193 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,480 but it gets no attention. But well, partly because it 194 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,879 is the most boring thing in the world to watch. 195 00:10:42,159 --> 00:10:43,320 It's a sectat or sport. 196 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: Right, oh my god, it's not that fun. 197 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: And you know, we're into an instant gratification, something breaking, 198 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:51,679 something moving extremely. 199 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: Fast, running and moving. Yeah yeah yeah, watching people shoot 200 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,039 bullseye pistol. You could watch paint dry and be more excited. 201 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: Grass grow, by the way. 202 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,279 Speaker 2: Rush grow, yeah, pick your whatever it is. Yes, it's 203 00:11:04,279 --> 00:11:07,240 like well, and that was always our challenge. We were 204 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:10,919 trying to create interesting TV shows about shooting before we 205 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,960 had the good action shooting stuff. Go try to make 206 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,559 bullseye shooting look interesting on TV. 207 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,919 Speaker 3: Just slowing down frames isn't enough. 208 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 4: As if it's not slow enough as it is, right, 209 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:27,600 this isn't the stance and everything different. I mean, you're 210 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:32,279 you're standing. 211 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: Sideways, you got your like left hand in your pocket, 212 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,240 and you got that out there, and oh my gosh, 213 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:39,159 in the rapid fire part, you still have like a 214 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:44,120 day and a half to shoot five shots. It's like nuts, 215 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:46,399 It's like, really, come on, rapid fire, give me a 216 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:46,919 break people. 217 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,639 Speaker 4: How'd your time it? It was a calendar. 218 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had Sunde turn it. 219 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,879 Speaker 2: I mean, look, don't get me wrong, it's fun to do. 220 00:11:59,039 --> 00:12:01,639 I like it. Sorry, I got a car before we 221 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,000 go to the break. I got my fun bullseye shooting story. 222 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,159 This would be seventy five seventy six, and the guy 223 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:10,519 that was getting me going into it, this would be 224 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,240 about the time that the Boeing seven forty seven was introduced. 225 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,279 The two are going to make sense momentarily, I hope. 226 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,759 And this guy was at a match and a lot 227 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,120 of times, as you know, Michelle, a lot of times 228 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,960 your shooting ranges are very close to airports because I 229 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,200 figure they're both noisy, let's put them together. 230 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 231 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: So he's all lined up, he's waiting for the targets 232 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,919 to turn shooting at forty five and there are targets 233 00:12:38,919 --> 00:12:41,240 turn and then you could shoot your five shots. It's timed, 234 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,159 and then they turned back, and he's just about I mean, 235 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,960 they're just about there. And just as the targets turn, 236 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:53,039 this seven forty seven comes from right in front of 237 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,679 him where he's looking, comes right over him. He said, 238 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,639 he stood there with his gun out and stared at 239 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,399 this monster airplane coming right over the top of him. 240 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,039 It passes by. He looks back at his sights, and 241 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,960 the targets have already turned back. He never got a 242 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:14,720 singer shot. Talk about your distraction, I'll. 243 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: Do it, okay, And that's why he was in second place. 244 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, lucky, right, correct, right, all right, when we 245 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,600 come back, we'll talk a little bit more about then 246 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,480 maybe America done. 247 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,039 Speaker 6: From the range to the field. CZ firearms are built 248 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,840 to perform when it counts. Known for accuracy, durability, and reliability. 249 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,399 CZ stands apart. CZ built for those who demand more 250 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:54,080 CZ Firearms dot com. 251 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,039 Speaker 2: All right, it is, in fact, well this weekend at 252 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,600 least two hundred and fifty years since the declaration of independence. 253 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:04,200 It's worthwhile, guys to go back and read the decoration. 254 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,519 I mean, it does have in the middle of a 255 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,159 whole list of grievances against the king, which, oh yeah, 256 00:14:10,279 --> 00:14:20,840 would that make this the real No, king's days take 257 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:22,759 a number. There's a lot of people hate me. 258 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,039 Speaker 4: Get in line. 259 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, ads. 260 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:30,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, it's an amazing document when you 261 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:32,720 think about it. They got together and did this thing 262 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,080 and said, yeah, we're we're declaring that we are going 263 00:14:36,159 --> 00:14:39,679 to be treasonless against the crown. 264 00:14:40,679 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: It was signed on with a second or third, wasn't 265 00:14:42,879 --> 00:14:44,879 They had to wait for somebody to come into and 266 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:45,720 oh yeah. 267 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:48,639 Speaker 2: They issued it on the fourth. Yeah. In fact, if 268 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:51,840 you want, okay for a fun if you're into that 269 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,039 history lesson. There is a movie that's the musical seventeen 270 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,240 seventy six, and it is a musical. It was a 271 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:08,039 play Broadway play about the I guess Constitutional Convention, not 272 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,039 know what. I'm sorry. When they got together in Philadelphia 273 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:15,200 to create the declaration and all the different players. It's 274 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,360 kind of like an early version of Hamilton, if you will, 275 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,039 right from you know, fifty years before Hamilton whatever. But 276 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:25,879 just fun. It'll get together of learning about the history 277 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:27,159 of it and the players and all. 278 00:15:27,039 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 4: Of that, which kind of leads nicely into my gun 279 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,200 of America choice. I had the Red Rider too. But 280 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,039 somebody's Kurt I think was stolen Thunder. I will find him. 281 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:46,200 I would have to say, actually the Brown Bess was America's, right. 282 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: Jim, you can't be stealing my thunder. 283 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:52,399 Speaker 4: Really? Oh, here we go, because. 284 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:55,759 Speaker 2: Are we going to have to separate you to again? Gee? 285 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 4: The revolutionary guys they did use it like their farm 286 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:01,879 implements and stuff, the firearms that they had. But a 287 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,440 lot of the times they captured or killed British they 288 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:07,559 used their stuff, and a lot of British were killed 289 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:12,080 with their own guns. Ah shocks, So the best damn. So, 290 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:14,480 I mean it's without because we said, well that this 291 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:17,000 one gun won the West. This gun did that. Yeah, 292 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:18,679 but we wouldn't have had the West to win if 293 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:19,440 we didn't get. 294 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,639 Speaker 2: Past this would have had a country. 295 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:23,039 Speaker 4: Yeah. 296 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: Well and just like that. 297 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: Of course, my thought was, you know, with the whole 298 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:33,799 American independence, the American long rifle or Kentucky Pennsylvania. 299 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, people said they call the Kentucky long riflecept that 300 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:38,639 was the Pennsylvania long ride. 301 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: Yes, right right, but uh yeah, I mean they use 302 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,679 it for hunting deer and hunting redcoats. 303 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,399 Speaker 3: I suppose that's right. 304 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,879 Speaker 2: And I don't know if you were able to listen 305 00:16:50,919 --> 00:16:53,360 to it or if you were handling the phones, Michelle, 306 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:56,600 but our guest in second hour was talking about the 307 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,840 re enactments and the you know how you get up 308 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,440 all both civil war and revolutionary war guns and we 309 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,799 were talking some details there and think, yeah. 310 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: No, I didn't get so the phones were busy there 311 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,799 for quite a while. She was doing your nails, dip in, 312 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:15,119 doing manicures. 313 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, catching up on the Housewives of La 314 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:19,599 or whatever. 315 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's totally me. 316 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 317 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 3: Oh god, but no, it is. 318 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,839 Speaker 1: It's the amount of history that we have in our 319 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,359 guns is amazing. And we talked about this like last 320 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,920 week with somebody calling in and I was like, come up, 321 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,839 where are you this week? With the nineteen oh three 322 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:46,079 again an iconic piece, the garrand the one carving. I mean, 323 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,640 all of these are our military. Everything starts with the military, 324 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:54,880 it does typically does. Yeah, and all of that comes 325 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,799 from you know those histories in still active. I mean 326 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:06,000 you shoot true, you know old Mississippi guns and muskets 327 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,960 and car beings and you know smith carbings and there's 328 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:11,640 lots and lots and lots of them out there. If 329 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,880 you've ever gone to Gettysburg and walked around the museums, 330 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 the amount of collections that are there just kind of 331 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,039 blows your mind with all different firearms and implements that 332 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:27,279 we're used. But yeah, it is iconic. It's it's our history, 333 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,480 and it's deep in the firearm sides. And these aren't 334 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:34,119 even firearms, right, the muskets, that's right. 335 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: But just thinking about that in this glorious two hundred 336 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,599 and fiftieth celebration, it might be a time for folks 337 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,839 to make a commitment to say, you know, I'm going 338 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,119 to go see some of the great firearms museums. And 339 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,559 there are some wonderful ones. 340 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, Gettysburg in Virginia with the NRA, Cody. 341 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:58,599 Speaker 2: That's right, Cody, I mean, and there are lesser known ones. 342 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,759 I can Boise the Idaho They've got a great museum 343 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:05,839 downtown with firearms in it. There's I think it's the 344 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,160 Davis Museum in Oklahoma. I remember, right. The World War 345 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,880 Two Museum in New Orleans is amazing. Now, it doesn't 346 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,440 have a great firearms display, but it is It do 347 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:21,599 have some firearms in it, but it's a great museum 348 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,799 about the war in the Pacific in Europe people. That's 349 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:30,240 really worthwhile. And also in Kansas City they have the 350 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:33,759 World War One Museum, which is terrific. 351 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: And I would add another one onto there. 352 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: And again it's not that maybe they have a ton 353 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:42,599 of firearms or any kind of you know, gun implementation, 354 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:45,440 but they do have a great museum down at Fort 355 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,480 Benning and the Infantry Museum is a great place if 356 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:54,720 you're into history and wartime. And of course you know 357 00:19:54,799 --> 00:19:58,400 those buildings used to be just like they were across 358 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,559 the country in many. 359 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: Bases, all the World War Old type of huts. 360 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: Everything is now modernized, the barracks. Yeah, but yeah, it's 361 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,880 it's amazing. And they you know a lot of these 362 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,279 places with these museums, they you know, take down a 363 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:17,359 building and they move it to those museums and keep 364 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,559 a piece just so everybody could see what it used 365 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:23,200 to be like. And we need to revisit that, you know, 366 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:26,160 we don't need to We need to understand and be 367 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:30,759 able to discuss our history, not change and pretend it 368 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:32,799 didn't happen, right. 369 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:36,079 Speaker 2: Pull down statues and try to rewrite it exactly we 370 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,680 had a big gun that flew by here yesterday. 371 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,599 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, tell us that story. 372 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:44,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we have our house here, our little 373 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:47,400 neighborhoods built around the airstrip, so we've got a bunch 374 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,759 of pilots here. So we got a little grass airstrip 375 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:54,559 there for a little bush planes things like that, and 376 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,519 out of the blue, I hear this sound yesterday on 377 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,079 July the fourth Independence Day, and I look out the 378 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,799 window just in time to see it streaking doing a 379 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:11,039 very low fly by on a little grass strip. Is 380 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:18,640 an eight ten Warthog, my favorite aircraft, military aircraft, absolutely lovely. 381 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,759 I mean I would if I could have flown the military, 382 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:23,400 that would have been it for me. But like I said, 383 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,240 it was a gun that flew by because it is 384 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:30,440 a thirty millimeter cannon that happens to have at around it. Yes, 385 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,240 it just one of a machine. Holy And what was 386 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:37,279 going on is that the pilot is a friend of 387 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:40,640 one of our neighbors here, and he was doing displays 388 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,279 at several different communities around here where they do flyovers, 389 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:47,079 and it just so happens that we're located right between 390 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,960 two of the places he was doing official flyovers. So 391 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:55,240 we got a freebie. It was so cool. It's like, okay, 392 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:58,000 that is not a cub going by there. Look at 393 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:58,920 that thing. 394 00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:05,599 Speaker 1: So in your I guess museum adventures, not only are 395 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,880 you going to some of the different firearm and you know, 396 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,519 maybe military or war museums, you're also hitting some of 397 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:14,559 the aircraft museums. 398 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,079 Speaker 2: Oh and if you're going to do that, you got 399 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:18,039 to go right Patterson. 400 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,799 Speaker 3: I was just going to ask you if you've ever been. 401 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,799 It's awesome, Yeah. 402 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. The right Patterson Museum is you know, of course, 403 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:31,200 it's Ohio being the birthplace of aviation in America, right 404 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:37,880 brothers or wert those guys. Yeah, what's the space But yeah, no, seriously, 405 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,240 if you like museums, you like that kind of thing, 406 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,279 I would put right Patterson. And also the Smithsonian Air 407 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,960 and Space Museum. And it's the Udvar Hazy, which is 408 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:56,160 not in d C. It's actually out in Leesburg, Virginia, 409 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,279 and it is an amazing aviation museum there. So there 410 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:02,599 you go. 411 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,799 Speaker 4: I had a near guns story this week time. I 412 00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:08,480 thought was pretty pretty interesting perspective. 413 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: I tried carrying near guns that just weren't as effective. 414 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:13,279 What happened? 415 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 4: He almost cheaper. U. No, that's air gun air guns. 416 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,799 I was at a car wash and I was doing 417 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,720 my vacuuming thing, and I just just kind of gave 418 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:26,319 me an interesting take on us gun owners versus non 419 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,200 gun owners, or or even worse, the gun panickers. Right, 420 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,400 this guy pulls up in his ted nugent wanna be vehicle, 421 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,000 and I say, want to be because it wasn't a 422 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:38,440 Ford Bronco like it should have been. It was a 423 00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:40,400 It was a jeep and it was all camoed out, 424 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,119 and he had the racks and everything out. It was 425 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,519 it was you know, he's an outdoorsman. He's obviously camel 426 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,240 paint job, the whole strap. He's obvious an outdoorsman. So 427 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:48,880 I'm kind of, you know, I see him, and I'm 428 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,799 aware of him, but I wasn't wasn't anything weird. So 429 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:54,119 I'm vacuumating, looking around and stuff, and he goes in 430 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,799 the back and he opened up his hatch and he 431 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,599 pulls out something that looks like a rifle stock, the 432 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,440 butt end of a rifle stock. And I'm thinking, for 433 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,240 a split second, is that a rifle? And then I 434 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:10,160 switched into non gun owner mode and said, wow, I 435 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,640 could see how people would be like panicing, Oh my god, 436 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,559 this guy's got a rifle, calling nine to one one 437 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:18,559 and everything else. So I just I'm thinking, wonder what 438 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,559 kind of rifle he's got shot the bolt. 439 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I want to find out. 440 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:25,799 Speaker 4: It could be cool, right, So I stopped vacuuming a 441 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:27,680 little bit, you know, just keeping an eye and I'm 442 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,400 not like, oh, he's going to do something, just I 443 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,279 want to see. And he turns, he pulls his hand in. Well, 444 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,200 it turns out, you know, I holds it. You know 445 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,000 how you hold the vacuum, You've got the nozzle you 446 00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:41,559 and it's kind of flared out at the end of stuff. Well, 447 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:43,359 he wasn't holding it like you or I was. He 448 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,799 was holding it totally reverse upside down. So when he 449 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:49,759 pulled back on his back, all I saw was the 450 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:53,920 triangular thing and black plastic. I'm going and you think, God, 451 00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:57,440 I think it's a gun. Yeah, And I didn't panic obviously, 452 00:24:57,599 --> 00:24:59,920 just oh he's got a rifle. He wasn't pulling anything out, 453 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,720 waving at anybody, was just moving stuff around in his hatch. 454 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 2: And you're thinking, oh, we're having a gun show. Cool. 455 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,519 I get mine, and I'm thinking what if. 456 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,599 Speaker 4: Somebody else from my angle saw the same thing. 457 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's got a rifle. 458 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 4: He's got to come on. It's just interesting to see 459 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,400 how you know, your first impression isn't always what you think. 460 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,759 Profiling was hiding behind the fender with looking at the top, 461 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,079 just observe it. Turned my baseball hat around and I 462 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:28,599 was ready. 463 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: Jim fired a couple of warning shots through that guy's 464 00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:32,200 engine block. 465 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 4: No, no, no, I saved that for you know, Fourth July celebration. 466 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,119 Like everybody else, responsible gun owners. People are idiots. I 467 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,079 tell you, man, I haven't seen the numbers at how 468 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,240 many kids or adults or you know, people in general 469 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,720 have got hurt. But you know, somebody got hurt, somebody 470 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,519 got killed because somebody's being an idiot with fire well not. 471 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 2: Just with guns, with boats and fireworks and everything. Helse 472 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,640 to me it is true. Not I was gonna say 473 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,680 not every but actually the truth is very few people 474 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,759 are as focused on safety as we are. Ye And 475 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:13,440 it's like, yeah, oh we had think if I can 476 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:19,279 tell this story, guy with an airplane took off from 477 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:24,480 our airstrip yesterday after an experienced guy after asking for 478 00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:28,200 advice and getting it from a very experienced pilot here 479 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:34,599 and then doing everything exactly wrong and staggered off the 480 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:42,920 airstrip with overloaded and a hot day with a family aboard, 481 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,240 and we're just we're just going, I mean, because we said, 482 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,240 you know, look, we don't fly when it's hot here. 483 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,680 We don't because of density altitude, which the airplane for 484 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,559 those who don't know, the airplane performs very poorly. It 485 00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:59,240 may not even be able to take off on a 486 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:03,279 shortish strip, and then when you start adding weight to it, 487 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,799 that decreases the performance. And it just went on and 488 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:10,680 on and on. It's like, yeah, you know, just people, 489 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,480 if you are unsure about a situation somewhere and you're 490 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,279 talking to a local who has experience with it, stop 491 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:22,359 and pay attention. You're getting the graduate course right here. 492 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,319 Speaker 4: Or know, why would you even ask if you're not 493 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,400 going to follow it anyway? 494 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:35,839 Speaker 2: There's that This leads me to a story. When I 495 00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:41,319 was in Alaska, the state epidemiologists there studied aircraft accidents 496 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:46,319 as though they were a disease, which I thought was interesting. 497 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,480 But the thing that came up with, and there's a 498 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,720 way to make this work and apply to guns as well, 499 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,200 in aviation, particularly Alaska, where you have a number of 500 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,720 accidents flying into bad weather and then hitting a mountain 501 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,720 or as we like to call it, cumulo granite formation, 502 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:11,519 and was I think it was six times more likely 503 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:17,279 when there were passengers than when pilot was solo and 504 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,079 you're going, huh, what's going on here? Well, what they 505 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,759 figured out was that when you have people in the plane, 506 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,079 you are not willing to say I can't. I'm not 507 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,480 going to go in these conditions. Whether it's the pressure 508 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,440 from them saying, hey, I gotta go, I got a 509 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,359 plane to catch, I've gotta this, I gotta you know, 510 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,799 we got to get back into town, or you're not 511 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,880 wanting to say to them you know, I'm not God's 512 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,200 gift aviation, I'm not super pilot, or somebody saying well, 513 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,359 you know, we flew with so and so last year 514 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,720 and there were conditions were just like this and he flew, 515 00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,640 so we should be able to go instead instead of 516 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,440 just saying we're not going, we're not doing this today. 517 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,359 And I understand that you're going to miss your commercial flight, 518 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:00,839 and I understand that you you are not going to 519 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:04,720 get back to work tomorrow on time, but we're not 520 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,720 going and we're not going to do this because I 521 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,200 don't feel comfortable with these conditions. We can take that 522 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:16,839 same experience and apply it to guns of I am 523 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,000 not going to do this thing that instructors wanting me 524 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,240 to do, or that other people are going to do. 525 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:25,279 Or I don't want to appear to be a whimp, 526 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,920 or I don't want to be the guy who bailed 527 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,200 out and everybody's they said, Oh, we're just having fun. 528 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,960 Oh it's just a good time. You gotta be able 529 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,319 to say no and live with that. And I do 530 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,640 mean live with that. 531 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:38,079 Speaker 4: How many people have died from pride? 532 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,799 Speaker 2: A lot, A lot. Yeah, I don't want anybody to 533 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:44,559 think badly of me or to think that I'm just 534 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:49,640 not mad enough. Yeah, well, you know. And and women 535 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:53,039 don't do that. I don't know what it is. They 536 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:57,039 don't suffer from testosterone poisoning. No smart, they don't do 537 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,119 stupid stuff like guys do with boats and playing and 538 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,839 lawnmowers and ATVs and everything else out there. I don't know. 539 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,319 I mean, but maybe you've never noticed that, Michelle. 540 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: No, I've never noticed the ego thing. 541 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: Not hanging around all those military dudes in your life. 542 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,119 Speaker 3: No, there's there's no ego. 543 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,279 Speaker 4: Right, So how that flight at the lake take off 544 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,480 to get off the ground. 545 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they got off the ground. You know, they 546 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,319 made it out of there. 547 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,119 Speaker 4: Was just was he just waiting for a stronger tailwind 548 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,440 to have everything against. 549 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:40,559 Speaker 2: Them almost like you know, you're just if you are 550 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,960 operating close to the edge, then you're it could go 551 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,000 over the edge anytime. 552 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:46,759 Speaker 4: Yeah. 553 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, he made it out and we're glad, and you know, 554 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,720 everybody's okay. But it's just one of those deals of 555 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,960 you're just going, wow, what as you say, Jim, why 556 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,200 would you ask and then not pay attention to the 557 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,119 information you're getting. 558 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 3: Is it a person that'll be back in your. 559 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 2: Yah when one doesn't know about that, we'll see. 560 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 4: Very possible he comes back in a war, you're in trouble. 561 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,119 Speaker 2: Probably No, probably so. And to his credit, immediately after 562 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,079 he left, he texted one of our people here and said, yeah, 563 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:22,000 I'm not doing that again. Oh okay, so that was scary, right, 564 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:23,039 I'm not doing that again. 565 00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: Thinking there would be perhaps some communication. 566 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: Yes, it happened very quickly when he and look, the 567 00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:37,400 reality is, I don't know of anybody who has flown 568 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,400 for a long time and hasn't scared himself or herself 569 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:43,440 somewhere along the way. You know, it's part of the 570 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,640 learning process. Unfortunately, you go get training so you don't 571 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,400 but eventually you fly into a cloud you shouldn't have 572 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,119 been in, or you've got a situation you got in 573 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,640 some ice or something happened, and generally we learned from 574 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,680 it and we've become safer, better pilot. 575 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 4: So he was lucky enough to to get both parts 576 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,799 of that, live and learn. 577 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:09,079 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. But you know, it's this all part of 578 00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:13,519 this whole thing of it's okay to take risks. We 579 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:16,480 take risks when we drive down the road and we're 580 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,279 gonna we're basically doing a devil a daredevil routine every 581 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,960 day because we're going to go drive right past somebody 582 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,359 at high speed. We don't know them and don't know 583 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:30,359 anything about them. We're going to pass within three feet 584 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:33,000 of each other. It's like, you think, well, that's crazy, 585 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:34,559 why would anybody do that. Well, we do it all 586 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,519 day long. We accept the risk. 587 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 4: I usually don't notice the distance between the cars because 588 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,119 I'm putting my makeup on. 589 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: Or you're texting, texting. 590 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: Right, texting and putting makeup on texting about makeup. Your 591 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:51,200 question is but do you put down? But do you do? 592 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,279 I don't know the right protocol. Are you supposed to 593 00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:57,119 put down your beer before you text? 594 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: You hand that to your past sered, tell them the 595 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,440 hold on to this. 596 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: That's right here? Oh my beer? Right, that's where we 597 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:05,400 got there? 598 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,319 Speaker 4: Where's that blindfold? Where's the blindfold? 599 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: Jury? Lardie Lardy? And you know I often talk about 600 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,920 the corollaries between my flying experience and shooting, and one 601 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,720 of them is alcohol is it's an absolute zero tolerance, 602 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:34,880 not going to happen thing, just like boating, Well, most 603 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,680 of the boat I mean, look, you got to imagine 604 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,559 that most boaters are fifty percent of the boaters out 605 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,720 there are drinking, which is, by the way, illegal. Just 606 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,599 make sure everybody understands that. It is exactly the same 607 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,440 as driving, yep, as far as the. 608 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,599 Speaker 4: Law, same thing as a bicycle. Actually you can get 609 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,680 dui on a bicycle. 610 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,599 Speaker 2: Hmm. 611 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,279 Speaker 4: You aware of that? 612 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: Can you get a dui on a horse? Yes? 613 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:56,519 Speaker 3: You can? 614 00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:59,599 Speaker 2: I thought I heard that somewhere. 615 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 3: I know somebody who actually had to happen. 616 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,119 Speaker 4: But you got to feed the horse a lot of booze. 617 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: I mean, how much had the horsemen drink? You beat 618 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:16,199 me too? Came like, oh do you I an a camel? Yeah, 619 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,280 if you're gonna go, but you understand that he can 620 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,719 really hold his liquor come on. 621 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,159 Speaker 3: For months and a jumper. 622 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: Oh my, it's good to have a reserve tank, right 623 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,079 for amateurs, right boy? 624 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 4: Okay, Well we pretty much beat this into the ground. 625 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 2: I know that we were on topic at some point, 626 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,760 but I don't remember when. 627 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 4: Two years ago made maybe perhaps I don't know. Oh lord, 628 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,760 you know you eat your leftover hot dogs there, buddy. 629 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. That's one of the problems is you're 630 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,880 cooking just as fast and I'm out there just cooking 631 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,880 stuff and throwing them out there, and all of a 632 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,199 sudden it's over and you're gonna wait. But I I've 633 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,480 probably cooked an extra fifteen burgers here. So but leftover 634 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,360 burgers are good too. It's okay. 635 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 3: You can always freeze them. 636 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 4: You always makes spaghetti, you can always, yes, and we 637 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,559 do that too. 638 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 2: It makes spaghetti and so well you guys, sorry. 639 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:19,159 Speaker 1: So you just break an egg on it and call 640 00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:23,840 it breakfast. 641 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 4: Lately here, lately, here, we could have done it on 642 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,599 the top of our car. 643 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 3: Okidding, you see. 644 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,599 Speaker 2: Them, it's been so hot there. I saw that the 645 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,599 meme that somebody put out that the National Weather Service 646 00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:38,679 had put out a recipe for cooking lasagna in your mailbox. 647 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:48,800 That's funny, the ones where people cook an egg on 648 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,039 the top of a car on a sidewalk. 649 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,559 Speaker 3: It's been hot. 650 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,679 Speaker 4: I'd like to give a big shout out too to 651 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,840 Willis Carrier, by the way, Thank you Willis. 652 00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 2: That's right, you know, I'm I say, I'm proud to 653 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,320 be American where at least we have ac oh before 654 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,320 I forget it, just completely not connected to that, except 655 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,119 that when you said something about cookware. I got an 656 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,239 email from a guy who ended up getting hurt shooting 657 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,079 at the range and then Prompty Range because they had 658 00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:22,159 hung out, believe it or not, frying pants and shot 659 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,320 a frying pan and a bullet bounced back and hit 660 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,559 him in the thumb and really messed up his thumb. 661 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:29,599 But he was trying to make the point of these 662 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,760 impromptu targets that people put out. You gotta be really 663 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,360 careful because if it's too close or the right wrong type, 664 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,760 you can get bounced back on bullets. Just kind of 665 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,559 one of those things. 666 00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:45,679 Speaker 3: Think about that, and then everybody drink their water, drink. 667 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 2: Water, hydrate and oh about every third one. You need 668 00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,480 some kind of electrolytes in there, because you could drink 669 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,760 so much water you can kill yourself. You're an electron. 670 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 5: That's right. 671 00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 2: You guys be careful too. You will go to a 672 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,360 gun museum. 673 00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 5: Somewhere, that's right. Can't say there you go. 674 00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 3: We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show. 675 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 4: H