Speaker 1: So you've made it through three hours of the regular
show on terrestrial radio and you.
Speaker 2: Wanted a little bit more.
Speaker 1: So that's why you found the gun Talk After Show podcast,
where we saved all the best things that we can't
say on regular radio.
Speaker 3: Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 2: It is Independence Day weekend and we're now in the
after show part of that with Michelle and Jim.
Speaker 4: Hey guys, Oh hello, hello, happy two fifty brother Yeah,
no kid, and had a heck of a party here,
had a good time, look like it? Yeah, nice of its?
Speaker 2: And pictures, Yeah, I send you some pictures. We got, man,
we got flags everywhere.
Speaker 4: Holy cal you and all your gun fighter friends.
Speaker 2: That's right, gunfighters, that's right. I don't want to be
in a gunfight, but I do want to be able
to do that if I happened.
Speaker 4: Amen. Amen.
Speaker 2: It's not just fun to learn this stuff. You know
what shooting well is fun, It's shooting is difficult and
you never really master it, you know, unless you're one
of those people can put all the shots in the
same hole. I haven't met that person yet.
Speaker 4: Well, is that a setup for Georgia Online one?
Speaker 2: It is exactly for George. Hey George, you're on here.
How you doing, partner?
Speaker 5: Pretty good, Tom. I've been a listener in your show
quite a while, and quite frankly, one of the issues
that seemed to come up more than once in a
while is complaints from the shooter saying that no matter
how he moves his sights on his handgun, he cannot
seem to get him moved over far enough to get
the point of impact where his point of aim is.
And I got a commentary here that after many years
of files and tribulations in the sport myself, I have
come up with a solution that worked for me. And
quite frankly, I even grafted out for some of the
shooters and showed them with the little diagram that I
put together as to what they're where their point of
impact is, and what they're doing to cause that point
of impact being other than the point of being.
Speaker 2: You're not saying that if the problem is actually the
shooter out the sites? Are you.
Speaker 5: Exactly what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Answer? Yes, sir, it is all right.
Speaker 3: It be so formal and.
Speaker 4: Nothing very diplomatic.
Speaker 2: You can you can share it.
Speaker 5: Tell us well, quite frankly, uh, it starts off with
the placement of the gun in your hand. Uh. I
have found that if you're shooting for accuracy, to start
off with the smartest thing you could do is take
your weekend, put the gun in your weekend and place
it in your master hand, and you're going to be
shooting with uh. For that, you are assuring yourself that
you are in the right position with the firearm in
your hand and ready for business. The next thing that
comes up is the biggest enemy you have with a
handgun is your fingertips and your little finger. If you
apply pressure with either your fingertips and are your little finger,
you are going to dramatically affect the point of impact
of that bullet. For example, the impact difference is at
fifty yards. For example, if you're off with your sites,
as much as a thousandth of an inch, one thousandth
of an inch at fifty yards on a handgun will
affect the point of impact by at least one inch.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Just the physics, the geometry of it of moving
the muzzle, that little bit. You know where you are,
you basically it's a cone. You are an angle out there.
So if you move the gun just any smallest amount
you get some deflection way out there.
Speaker 5: Sure makes sense, Yes, sir, that's uh, that is fact.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know about what what do you
talk about with this this pinky finger and all that.
I'm not following.
Speaker 5: Well, if your pinky finger applies pressure to the bottom
of the grip, what's going to happen is you're going
to be shooting high into the left. How much trigger
you take with your trigger finger makes a difference too,
if you have If you take too much trigger and
your finger is covering let's say, to the first knuckle
before the tip of your finger. If you're taking more
trigger than what you need, you should be using the
pad of that of your finger on that trigger placement.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: If you take too much trigger, what's going to end
up happening is you are going to be moving the
muzzle muzzle to the right then, or a right handed.
Speaker 2: Shooter hand shooter, possibly left hand.
Speaker 5: Shooter, it'll be going the opposite way.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm probably going to end up I'm probably going
to end up disagreeing with you on some of this stuff,
So just go ahead.
Speaker 5: Well, the uh uh, the movement of the gun also
is going to change if you apply pressure with your
fingertips on the grip, and this I have taken up
not only physically, but also in using a ransom rest. Uh,
you know, if you're going to use a ransom rest
for example, Now.
Speaker 2: Are you Are you talking about shooting one handed?
Speaker 5: I'm talking about shooting one handed? Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay, okay, I'm I'm just catching up here
because this is not making sense to me at all
at this point. So you're talking about one handed bulls
eye type shooting, yes, sir, exactly, thank you. Okay, all right, right,
We're going to back up and regroup from this because
I'm thinking that a two handed grip and this was
not adding up to me at all. I find I
got oh, okay, okay, now I've caught up with you.
I'm sorry, I'm just slow on this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, two handed grip, you know, requires different sets a
different set of geometry being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm with
you now. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's as a matter of fact, a friend of mine
who was on my pistol team for some time, had
a very problem that we're talking about here. So I
talked to the owner of the indoor range where I
had met with him and we set up a camera
focused on nothing but the grip of the gun when
he was shooting, and you had to play it back
frame by frame to really slow it down to catch
where the mistake was being made. But what he was
doing is he was applying pressure on the grip with
his fingertips as he was squeezing the trigger. Yeah, after
we shouted had him shoot a couple of runs, we
went back and we viewed all of this that we
had recorded with our camera and he says, well, I'll
be dugne. He says something as simple as that. I said, yes, Jerry,
I said that that's you know, that's what it comes
down to, the smallest little detail.
Speaker 2: George. I've heard that described as milking the grip, where
you're actually kind of, if you will, it's kind of
like milking a cow and your fingers are working into
the grip. Again, for everybody to understand, we are talking
about shooting one handed, bulls eye style shooting. It's a
whole different thing than what most people are doing today.
But by milking that grip, I just say, you're putting pressure.
You know what it is. You're really you're changing the pressure.
If you could grab it consistently that way, that'd be
one thing. But anytime you start changing things up, you're
going to move the muzzle exactly.
Speaker 5: And that's that's why I said that to start with
the smartest thing to do if you're shooting for accuracy. Now,
defensive shooting is different ballgame. You know. It's it's quick draw,
a quick shoot, get that first shot off before your
threat is going to cause you some damage. But by
placing the gun in your hand with your weekend and
getting a firm grip on it and let it rip
from there, that's that's where you have to begin, because
the position of the hand on the grip, uh is
going to change. You just picked the gun up off
the table, for example, and start.
Speaker 2: Shooting, and we do the same thing with two handed grips.
So it's got to be a consistent grip each time. Otherwise,
if you're changing it up, you're going to get different movement,
different pressure points, and then bullet's not going to the
same place. George, I'm gonna have to keep moving here,
but I appreciate it, you know. I'm glad I finally
caught up, because man, I was just trying to think
and thinking, man, this does not make sense. I'm gonna
have to disagree. And then it's just like the light
bulb when I went, oh wait, we're talking bullsy. Yes,
I'll just make sense now, Okay, I'm with you. I
had to get on board. Thanks George. I appreciate the call, sir, yeah,
because he was saying, put the gun in your hand
with one hand the other, and I'm thinking, how are
you going to build a grip like that? Yeah, I've
just gone I did a total flashback way back. I
did Bullseye shooting a billion years ago, and back then
it was really interesting. We would try to not have
the side of your the palm of your hand have
contacts with the side of the gun. It would have
pressure coming back from your fingers into the front strap
and on the back of your hand into the back
of the gun, so you could just apply pressure with
your finger. I'm sure they have much better technique now.
And that was probably wrong because I didn't do much
that was right way back then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but back then your bench was a torontosaurus or something,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2: That's true, you know, but you know they were very
slow moving, so it was okay you're just using the
nice bit there you go, oh okay, well right, yeah,
it isn't interesting that we don't hear anybody much talking
about bulls eye pistol shooting anymore. I mean, I know
it's still there, and in fact, as we're speaking right now,
they're doing it.
Speaker 3: They can't parry, right, it's coming up, yeah, coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean, so there is still bulls eye shooting,
but it gets no attention. But well, partly because it
is the most boring thing in the world to watch.
It's a sectat or sport.
Speaker 3: Right, oh my god, it's not that fun.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're into an instant gratification, something breaking,
something moving extremely.
Speaker 2: Fast, running and moving. Yeah yeah yeah, watching people shoot
bullseye pistol. You could watch paint dry and be more excited.
Speaker 3: Grass grow, by the way.
Speaker 2: Rush grow, yeah, pick your whatever it is. Yes, it's
like well, and that was always our challenge. We were
trying to create interesting TV shows about shooting before we
had the good action shooting stuff. Go try to make
bullseye shooting look interesting on TV.
Speaker 3: Just slowing down frames isn't enough.
Speaker 4: As if it's not slow enough as it is, right,
this isn't the stance and everything different. I mean, you're
you're standing.
Speaker 2: Sideways, you got your like left hand in your pocket,
and you got that out there, and oh my gosh,
in the rapid fire part, you still have like a
day and a half to shoot five shots. It's like nuts,
It's like, really, come on, rapid fire, give me a
break people.
Speaker 4: How'd your time it? It was a calendar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had Sunde turn it.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, don't get me wrong, it's fun to do.
I like it. Sorry, I got a car before we
go to the break. I got my fun bullseye shooting story.
This would be seventy five seventy six, and the guy
that was getting me going into it, this would be
about the time that the Boeing seven forty seven was introduced.
The two are going to make sense momentarily, I hope.
And this guy was at a match and a lot
of times, as you know, Michelle, a lot of times
your shooting ranges are very close to airports because I
figure they're both noisy, let's put them together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So he's all lined up, he's waiting for the targets
to turn shooting at forty five and there are targets
turn and then you could shoot your five shots. It's timed,
and then they turned back, and he's just about I mean,
they're just about there. And just as the targets turn,
this seven forty seven comes from right in front of
him where he's looking, comes right over him. He said,
he stood there with his gun out and stared at
this monster airplane coming right over the top of him.
It passes by. He looks back at his sights, and
the targets have already turned back. He never got a
singer shot. Talk about your distraction, I'll.
Speaker 1: Do it, okay, And that's why he was in second place.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, lucky, right, correct, right, all right, when we
come back, we'll talk a little bit more about then
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Speaker 2: All right, it is, in fact, well this weekend at
least two hundred and fifty years since the declaration of independence.
It's worthwhile, guys to go back and read the decoration.
I mean, it does have in the middle of a
whole list of grievances against the king, which, oh yeah,
would that make this the real No, king's days take
a number. There's a lot of people hate me.
Speaker 4: Get in line.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, ads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, it's an amazing document when you
think about it. They got together and did this thing
and said, yeah, we're we're declaring that we are going
to be treasonless against the crown.
Speaker 4: It was signed on with a second or third, wasn't
They had to wait for somebody to come into and
oh yeah.
Speaker 2: They issued it on the fourth. Yeah. In fact, if
you want, okay for a fun if you're into that
history lesson. There is a movie that's the musical seventeen
seventy six, and it is a musical. It was a
play Broadway play about the I guess Constitutional Convention, not
know what. I'm sorry. When they got together in Philadelphia
to create the declaration and all the different players. It's
kind of like an early version of Hamilton, if you will,
right from you know, fifty years before Hamilton whatever. But
just fun. It'll get together of learning about the history
of it and the players and all.
Speaker 4: Of that, which kind of leads nicely into my gun
of America choice. I had the Red Rider too. But
somebody's Kurt I think was stolen Thunder. I will find him.
I would have to say, actually the Brown Bess was America's, right.
Speaker 3: Jim, you can't be stealing my thunder.
Speaker 4: Really? Oh, here we go, because.
Speaker 2: Are we going to have to separate you to again? Gee?
Speaker 4: The revolutionary guys they did use it like their farm
implements and stuff, the firearms that they had. But a
lot of the times they captured or killed British they
used their stuff, and a lot of British were killed
with their own guns. Ah shocks, So the best damn. So,
I mean it's without because we said, well that this
one gun won the West. This gun did that. Yeah,
but we wouldn't have had the West to win if
we didn't get.
Speaker 2: Past this would have had a country.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well and just like that.
Speaker 1: Of course, my thought was, you know, with the whole
American independence, the American long rifle or Kentucky Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people said they call the Kentucky long riflecept that
was the Pennsylvania long ride.
Speaker 1: Yes, right right, but uh yeah, I mean they use
it for hunting deer and hunting redcoats.
Speaker 3: I suppose that's right.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you were able to listen
to it or if you were handling the phones, Michelle,
but our guest in second hour was talking about the
re enactments and the you know how you get up
all both civil war and revolutionary war guns and we
were talking some details there and think, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't get so the phones were busy there
for quite a while. She was doing your nails, dip in,
doing manicures.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, catching up on the Housewives of La
or whatever.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's totally me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh god, but no, it is.
Speaker 1: It's the amount of history that we have in our
guns is amazing. And we talked about this like last
week with somebody calling in and I was like, come up,
where are you this week? With the nineteen oh three
again an iconic piece, the garrand the one carving. I mean,
all of these are our military. Everything starts with the military,
it does typically does. Yeah, and all of that comes
from you know those histories in still active. I mean
you shoot true, you know old Mississippi guns and muskets
and car beings and you know smith carbings and there's
lots and lots and lots of them out there. If
you've ever gone to Gettysburg and walked around the museums,
the amount of collections that are there just kind of
blows your mind with all different firearms and implements that
we're used. But yeah, it is iconic. It's it's our history,
and it's deep in the firearm sides. And these aren't
even firearms, right, the muskets, that's right.
Speaker 2: But just thinking about that in this glorious two hundred
and fiftieth celebration, it might be a time for folks
to make a commitment to say, you know, I'm going
to go see some of the great firearms museums. And
there are some wonderful ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gettysburg in Virginia with the NRA, Cody.
Speaker 2: That's right, Cody, I mean, and there are lesser known ones.
I can Boise the Idaho They've got a great museum
downtown with firearms in it. There's I think it's the
Davis Museum in Oklahoma. I remember, right. The World War
Two Museum in New Orleans is amazing. Now, it doesn't
have a great firearms display, but it is It do
have some firearms in it, but it's a great museum
about the war in the Pacific in Europe people. That's
really worthwhile. And also in Kansas City they have the
World War One Museum, which is terrific.
Speaker 3: And I would add another one onto there.
Speaker 1: And again it's not that maybe they have a ton
of firearms or any kind of you know, gun implementation,
but they do have a great museum down at Fort
Benning and the Infantry Museum is a great place if
you're into history and wartime. And of course you know
those buildings used to be just like they were across
the country in many.
Speaker 3: Bases, all the World War Old type of huts.
Speaker 1: Everything is now modernized, the barracks. Yeah, but yeah, it's
it's amazing. And they you know a lot of these
places with these museums, they you know, take down a
building and they move it to those museums and keep
a piece just so everybody could see what it used
to be like. And we need to revisit that, you know,
we don't need to We need to understand and be
able to discuss our history, not change and pretend it
didn't happen, right.
Speaker 2: Pull down statues and try to rewrite it exactly we
had a big gun that flew by here yesterday.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, tell us that story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we have our house here, our little
neighborhoods built around the airstrip, so we've got a bunch
of pilots here. So we got a little grass airstrip
there for a little bush planes things like that, and
out of the blue, I hear this sound yesterday on
July the fourth Independence Day, and I look out the
window just in time to see it streaking doing a
very low fly by on a little grass strip. Is
an eight ten Warthog, my favorite aircraft, military aircraft, absolutely lovely.
I mean I would if I could have flown the military,
that would have been it for me. But like I said,
it was a gun that flew by because it is
a thirty millimeter cannon that happens to have at around it. Yes,
it just one of a machine. Holy And what was
going on is that the pilot is a friend of
one of our neighbors here, and he was doing displays
at several different communities around here where they do flyovers,
and it just so happens that we're located right between
two of the places he was doing official flyovers. So
we got a freebie. It was so cool. It's like, okay,
that is not a cub going by there. Look at
that thing.
Speaker 1: So in your I guess museum adventures, not only are
you going to some of the different firearm and you know,
maybe military or war museums, you're also hitting some of
the aircraft museums.
Speaker 2: Oh and if you're going to do that, you got
to go right Patterson.
Speaker 3: I was just going to ask you if you've ever been.
It's awesome, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. The right Patterson Museum is you know, of course,
it's Ohio being the birthplace of aviation in America, right
brothers or wert those guys. Yeah, what's the space But yeah, no, seriously,
if you like museums, you like that kind of thing,
I would put right Patterson. And also the Smithsonian Air
and Space Museum. And it's the Udvar Hazy, which is
not in d C. It's actually out in Leesburg, Virginia,
and it is an amazing aviation museum there. So there
you go.
Speaker 4: I had a near guns story this week time. I
thought was pretty pretty interesting perspective.
Speaker 2: I tried carrying near guns that just weren't as effective.
What happened?
Speaker 4: He almost cheaper. U. No, that's air gun air guns.
I was at a car wash and I was doing
my vacuuming thing, and I just just kind of gave
me an interesting take on us gun owners versus non
gun owners, or or even worse, the gun panickers. Right,
this guy pulls up in his ted nugent wanna be vehicle,
and I say, want to be because it wasn't a
Ford Bronco like it should have been. It was a
It was a jeep and it was all camoed out,
and he had the racks and everything out. It was
it was you know, he's an outdoorsman. He's obviously camel
paint job, the whole strap. He's obvious an outdoorsman. So
I'm kind of, you know, I see him, and I'm
aware of him, but I wasn't wasn't anything weird. So
I'm vacuumating, looking around and stuff, and he goes in
the back and he opened up his hatch and he
pulls out something that looks like a rifle stock, the
butt end of a rifle stock. And I'm thinking, for
a split second, is that a rifle? And then I
switched into non gun owner mode and said, wow, I
could see how people would be like panicing, Oh my god,
this guy's got a rifle, calling nine to one one
and everything else. So I just I'm thinking, wonder what
kind of rifle he's got shot the bolt.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I want to find out.
Speaker 4: It could be cool, right, So I stopped vacuuming a
little bit, you know, just keeping an eye and I'm
not like, oh, he's going to do something, just I
want to see. And he turns, he pulls his hand in. Well,
it turns out, you know, I holds it. You know
how you hold the vacuum, You've got the nozzle you
and it's kind of flared out at the end of stuff. Well,
he wasn't holding it like you or I was. He
was holding it totally reverse upside down. So when he
pulled back on his back, all I saw was the
triangular thing and black plastic. I'm going and you think, God,
I think it's a gun. Yeah, And I didn't panic obviously,
just oh he's got a rifle. He wasn't pulling anything out,
waving at anybody, was just moving stuff around in his hatch.
Speaker 2: And you're thinking, oh, we're having a gun show. Cool.
I get mine, and I'm thinking what if.
Speaker 4: Somebody else from my angle saw the same thing.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's got a rifle.
Speaker 4: He's got to come on. It's just interesting to see
how you know, your first impression isn't always what you think.
Profiling was hiding behind the fender with looking at the top,
just observe it. Turned my baseball hat around and I
was ready.
Speaker 2: Jim fired a couple of warning shots through that guy's
engine block.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I saved that for you know, Fourth July celebration.
Like everybody else, responsible gun owners. People are idiots. I
tell you, man, I haven't seen the numbers at how
many kids or adults or you know, people in general
have got hurt. But you know, somebody got hurt, somebody
got killed because somebody's being an idiot with fire well not.
Speaker 2: Just with guns, with boats and fireworks and everything. Helse
to me it is true. Not I was gonna say
not every but actually the truth is very few people
are as focused on safety as we are. Ye And
it's like, yeah, oh we had think if I can
tell this story, guy with an airplane took off from
our airstrip yesterday after an experienced guy after asking for
advice and getting it from a very experienced pilot here
and then doing everything exactly wrong and staggered off the
airstrip with overloaded and a hot day with a family aboard,
and we're just we're just going, I mean, because we said,
you know, look, we don't fly when it's hot here.
We don't because of density altitude, which the airplane for
those who don't know, the airplane performs very poorly. It
may not even be able to take off on a
shortish strip, and then when you start adding weight to it,
that decreases the performance. And it just went on and
on and on. It's like, yeah, you know, just people,
if you are unsure about a situation somewhere and you're
talking to a local who has experience with it, stop
and pay attention. You're getting the graduate course right here.
Speaker 4: Or know, why would you even ask if you're not
going to follow it anyway?
Speaker 2: There's that This leads me to a story. When I
was in Alaska, the state epidemiologists there studied aircraft accidents
as though they were a disease, which I thought was interesting.
But the thing that came up with, and there's a
way to make this work and apply to guns as well,
in aviation, particularly Alaska, where you have a number of
accidents flying into bad weather and then hitting a mountain
or as we like to call it, cumulo granite formation,
and was I think it was six times more likely
when there were passengers than when pilot was solo and
you're going, huh, what's going on here? Well, what they
figured out was that when you have people in the plane,
you are not willing to say I can't. I'm not
going to go in these conditions. Whether it's the pressure
from them saying, hey, I gotta go, I got a
plane to catch, I've gotta this, I gotta you know,
we got to get back into town, or you're not
wanting to say to them you know, I'm not God's
gift aviation, I'm not super pilot, or somebody saying well,
you know, we flew with so and so last year
and there were conditions were just like this and he flew,
so we should be able to go instead instead of
just saying we're not going, we're not doing this today.
And I understand that you're going to miss your commercial flight,
and I understand that you you are not going to
get back to work tomorrow on time, but we're not
going and we're not going to do this because I
don't feel comfortable with these conditions. We can take that
same experience and apply it to guns of I am
not going to do this thing that instructors wanting me
to do, or that other people are going to do.
Or I don't want to appear to be a whimp,
or I don't want to be the guy who bailed
out and everybody's they said, Oh, we're just having fun.
Oh it's just a good time. You gotta be able
to say no and live with that. And I do
mean live with that.
Speaker 4: How many people have died from pride?
Speaker 2: A lot, A lot. Yeah, I don't want anybody to
think badly of me or to think that I'm just
not mad enough. Yeah, well, you know. And and women
don't do that. I don't know what it is. They
don't suffer from testosterone poisoning. No smart, they don't do
stupid stuff like guys do with boats and playing and
lawnmowers and ATVs and everything else out there. I don't know.
I mean, but maybe you've never noticed that, Michelle.
Speaker 1: No, I've never noticed the ego thing.
Speaker 2: Not hanging around all those military dudes in your life.
Speaker 3: No, there's there's no ego.
Speaker 4: Right, So how that flight at the lake take off
to get off the ground.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they got off the ground. You know, they
made it out of there.
Speaker 4: Was just was he just waiting for a stronger tailwind
to have everything against.
Speaker 2: Them almost like you know, you're just if you are
operating close to the edge, then you're it could go
over the edge anytime.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he made it out and we're glad, and you know,
everybody's okay. But it's just one of those deals of
you're just going, wow, what as you say, Jim, why
would you ask and then not pay attention to the
information you're getting.
Speaker 3: Is it a person that'll be back in your.
Speaker 2: Yah when one doesn't know about that, we'll see.
Speaker 4: Very possible he comes back in a war, you're in trouble.
Speaker 2: Probably No, probably so. And to his credit, immediately after
he left, he texted one of our people here and said, yeah,
I'm not doing that again. Oh okay, so that was scary, right,
I'm not doing that again.
Speaker 1: Thinking there would be perhaps some communication.
Speaker 2: Yes, it happened very quickly when he and look, the
reality is, I don't know of anybody who has flown
for a long time and hasn't scared himself or herself
somewhere along the way. You know, it's part of the
learning process. Unfortunately, you go get training so you don't
but eventually you fly into a cloud you shouldn't have
been in, or you've got a situation you got in
some ice or something happened, and generally we learned from
it and we've become safer, better pilot.
Speaker 4: So he was lucky enough to to get both parts
of that, live and learn.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. But you know, it's this all part of
this whole thing of it's okay to take risks. We
take risks when we drive down the road and we're
gonna we're basically doing a devil a daredevil routine every
day because we're going to go drive right past somebody
at high speed. We don't know them and don't know
anything about them. We're going to pass within three feet
of each other. It's like, you think, well, that's crazy,
why would anybody do that. Well, we do it all
day long. We accept the risk.
Speaker 4: I usually don't notice the distance between the cars because
I'm putting my makeup on.
Speaker 3: Or you're texting, texting.
Speaker 2: Right, texting and putting makeup on texting about makeup. Your
question is but do you put down? But do you do?
I don't know the right protocol. Are you supposed to
put down your beer before you text?
Speaker 3: You hand that to your past sered, tell them the
hold on to this.
Speaker 2: That's right here? Oh my beer? Right, that's where we
got there?
Speaker 4: Where's that blindfold? Where's the blindfold?
Speaker 2: Jury? Lardie Lardy? And you know I often talk about
the corollaries between my flying experience and shooting, and one
of them is alcohol is it's an absolute zero tolerance,
not going to happen thing, just like boating, Well, most
of the boat I mean, look, you got to imagine
that most boaters are fifty percent of the boaters out
there are drinking, which is, by the way, illegal. Just
make sure everybody understands that. It is exactly the same
as driving, yep, as far as the.
Speaker 4: Law, same thing as a bicycle. Actually you can get
dui on a bicycle.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 4: You aware of that?
Speaker 2: Can you get a dui on a horse? Yes?
Speaker 3: You can?
Speaker 2: I thought I heard that somewhere.
Speaker 3: I know somebody who actually had to happen.
Speaker 4: But you got to feed the horse a lot of booze.
Speaker 2: I mean, how much had the horsemen drink? You beat
me too? Came like, oh do you I an a camel? Yeah,
if you're gonna go, but you understand that he can
really hold his liquor come on.
Speaker 3: For months and a jumper.
Speaker 2: Oh my, it's good to have a reserve tank, right
for amateurs, right boy?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well we pretty much beat this into the ground.
Speaker 2: I know that we were on topic at some point,
but I don't remember when.
Speaker 4: Two years ago made maybe perhaps I don't know. Oh lord,
you know you eat your leftover hot dogs there, buddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. That's one of the problems is you're
cooking just as fast and I'm out there just cooking
stuff and throwing them out there, and all of a
sudden it's over and you're gonna wait. But I I've
probably cooked an extra fifteen burgers here. So but leftover
burgers are good too. It's okay.
Speaker 3: You can always freeze them.
Speaker 4: You always makes spaghetti, you can always, yes, and we
do that too.
Speaker 2: It makes spaghetti and so well you guys, sorry.
Speaker 1: So you just break an egg on it and call
it breakfast.
Speaker 4: Lately here, lately, here, we could have done it on
the top of our car.
Speaker 3: Okidding, you see.
Speaker 2: Them, it's been so hot there. I saw that the
meme that somebody put out that the National Weather Service
had put out a recipe for cooking lasagna in your mailbox.
That's funny, the ones where people cook an egg on
the top of a car on a sidewalk.
Speaker 3: It's been hot.
Speaker 4: I'd like to give a big shout out too to
Willis Carrier, by the way, Thank you Willis.
Speaker 2: That's right, you know, I'm I say, I'm proud to
be American where at least we have ac oh before
I forget it, just completely not connected to that, except
that when you said something about cookware. I got an
email from a guy who ended up getting hurt shooting
at the range and then Prompty Range because they had
hung out, believe it or not, frying pants and shot
a frying pan and a bullet bounced back and hit
him in the thumb and really messed up his thumb.
But he was trying to make the point of these
impromptu targets that people put out. You gotta be really
careful because if it's too close or the right wrong type,
you can get bounced back on bullets. Just kind of
one of those things.
Speaker 3: Think about that, and then everybody drink their water, drink.
Speaker 2: Water, hydrate and oh about every third one. You need
some kind of electrolytes in there, because you could drink
so much water you can kill yourself. You're an electron.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 2: You guys be careful too. You will go to a
gun museum.
Speaker 5: Somewhere, that's right. Can't say there you go.
Speaker 3: We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show.
Speaker 4: H