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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Jewish History Uncensored with Mark Shapiro. This is

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<v Speaker 1>season sixteen, episode forty one.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to begin with something which is relevant to

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<v Speaker 2>what we do in this class. I think I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the subject or the object I should say, of the criticism,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's something I thought about, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>been getting a lot of talk. A number of you

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<v Speaker 2>must have seen it. This is this online journal called Tablet,

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<v Speaker 2>which I highly recommend everyone who's interested in intellectual things,

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<v Speaker 2>not so sure as things an intellectual public, intellectual type

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<v Speaker 2>of things subscribe to when you get in your inbox

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times a week. One that just came

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<v Speaker 2>today and Robert alerted me to it and I saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>Also was about all they do a lot about Karadi

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<v Speaker 2>and Karaidi women's singers who are all over YouTube with

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of thousands of hits. At least they call themselves Karaidi,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's uh they want to call themselves. Let them

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<v Speaker 2>call themselves but women's singers. But this is from a guy,

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<v Speaker 2>Cole Aaronson, who I don't know. He describes himself as

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<v Speaker 2>coming from a non Orthodox background who then became Orthodox.

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<v Speaker 2>He's now learning in heartsy owned gush. So obviously he's

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<v Speaker 2>an intellectual. But he writes about how, for the sake

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<v Speaker 2>of Jeury, the Orthodox should give up their private dialect.

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<v Speaker 2>And he doesn't mention tor in motion, but he mentions

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<v Speaker 2>why you tora. He says, if you listen to Sharim,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like inside baseball. All this like on the right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Although we would never use language like this, but Yeshivash

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<v Speaker 2>and English. He's a great a friend of Calley's stem

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<v Speaker 2>are from translation. He's a great friend of the Jews,

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<v Speaker 2>and his ins are observant. So he's writing about how

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<v Speaker 2>he felt he didn't understand any of this language, and

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<v Speaker 2>he feels it does a great disservice. All I would

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<v Speaker 2>say to that is if you listen. Obviously, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he wants people to say Abraham and Moses, not Avamosh.

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<v Speaker 2>If you listen to us, we're not speaking. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>say he's eating bie. We're not using this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a Yeshivish language. But we use First of all, we

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<v Speaker 2>use terms, a lot of terms. This is a group

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<v Speaker 2>of people with a certain knowledge. And also I think

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we we say uh, he gave tadaka. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't say charity. Usually we we dobvin, we don't pray.

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<v Speaker 2>If you ever speak to the Syrians, they say we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to pray. It sounds very weird because from us

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like a non religious thing to go pray.

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<v Speaker 2>But so he has a whole thing. It's I find

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<v Speaker 2>it interesting. But at the end of the day, every

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<v Speaker 2>culture has inside talk. If you're in the black community,

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<v Speaker 2>the Hispanic community, I work at a Catholic university. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see it negative of like he does. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>he says something right at the beginning, where I've been

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<v Speaker 2>in Yeshivash circles a long time, I think I just

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<v Speaker 2>think he's wrong. He's he's he's saying. For example, he

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<v Speaker 2>gives examples like David, what does a last come of

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<v Speaker 2>a kamma mean? Or what the what is the triangle? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And why would anyone, uh why would why wouldn't someone

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<v Speaker 2>what that guy say hold by it? But then he

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<v Speaker 2>says another example of the Shievish. Can't just anyone Bavorn

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<v Speaker 2>I had don't I have no clue what Bavorn means

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<v Speaker 2>if anyone knows. I sort of think he's wrong, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's uh, he's confused that as far as I know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no such thing as uh As Bavorn. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting uh article. And he says that when

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<v Speaker 2>he first started hearing this, I was the Lonely Man

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<v Speaker 2>of Faithfulness obviously a play on the lonely Man of

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<v Speaker 2>faith So UH, I highly recommend this article. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure we're going to hear more in the future from

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<v Speaker 2>Cole Aronson.

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<v Speaker 3>UH.

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<v Speaker 4>The next thing, doctor Market, if I can interrupt for

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<v Speaker 4>a second, you know, I don't even know if I

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<v Speaker 4>ever sent it to you, because you've been with us

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<v Speaker 4>for so long. When we have, you know, all our speakers,

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<v Speaker 4>I send them like a little kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>instruction guide what to do speakers. And one of the

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<v Speaker 4>things I always say they don't always listen is that

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<v Speaker 4>every Hebrew term should be translating into English. And because

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<v Speaker 4>even though we want high level classes, nuanced, sophisticated, there

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<v Speaker 4>are people whose background is not so good. So when

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<v Speaker 4>you use these terms even I agree, not Abraham and Moses,

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<v Speaker 4>but other terms. So it's it's very interesting. It's have

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, my mother used to yell me if

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<v Speaker 4>you say he learns out. She couldn't stand that expression.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, somebody learns out and all the achievish, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>improper English, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Tough for it's tough for us because we're doing with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of concepts.

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<v Speaker 4>We sure you have to find the happy medium.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, I agree, and he does. He does quote

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<v Speaker 2>uh oh, and someone points out of seeing the notes,

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<v Speaker 2>he had something in the Jewish Review Books and he

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<v Speaker 2>actually holds his sites. Believe it or not, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a book that came out on from Speak and it

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<v Speaker 2>was reviewed in the Jewish Review of Books by my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite John Order and Cole mentions that, so I look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to more from him. I listened to the tape

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<v Speaker 2>and about making of a God Door. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>make one more point which I didn't in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>the y room the band and I had a correspond

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<v Speaker 2>with someone and I mentioned, you know, someone made a

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<v Speaker 2>joke or maybe it wasn't a joke. Should do I

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<v Speaker 2>want my books to be banned at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, there's a sociological element here. Books are only

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<v Speaker 2>banned if you're in the community. No one's going to

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<v Speaker 2>ban a Ton Sliffkin's books. Now he's not in the community.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're going to ban books that don't go with

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<v Speaker 2>the Kardiosh COFFI do the ending books every day. It's

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<v Speaker 2>only books in the community and people who are thought

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<v Speaker 2>to be problematic because they're in the community. So, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought of this because I was reading Dolphin's new book.

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<v Speaker 2>Here it is. I was three books this year, Rabat

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<v Speaker 2>and Godoli in part two. Now let me let me

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<v Speaker 2>just read you what he says. He's talking about Rev.

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<v Speaker 2>Rudermann's relationship with Krabad, but he just speaks about other

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<v Speaker 2>things about Rudermann. And he writes as follows, where this

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<v Speaker 2>is the sort of thing that Nilsson Kamenetski wrote and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why they banned it. And this comes from a

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<v Speaker 2>student I was gonna say a talmud thanks to call,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say, a student of Rabbi ruderman And he says

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<v Speaker 2>this follows. Once while arranging This comes from by Janowski

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<v Speaker 2>of Miami. Once while arranging his library, Rabbi Rudermann related

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<v Speaker 2>that Rabbi Hutner asked him what he thought of his approach,

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<v Speaker 2>referring to him demanding respect kavoratara and practicing an elitist

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<v Speaker 2>form of God Lodom. The when you stress the greatness

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<v Speaker 2>of man. Rabbi Rudimann replied, he quotes the Yiddish Dufoyl

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<v Speaker 2>siglernin Gemura, Russian tosvos Hustu Gemacha, and I am dere

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<v Speaker 2>you are lazy, too lazy to study the talma with

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<v Speaker 2>the commentators, so you made a new approach. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing that you find there in Nuss and

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<v Speaker 2>kamenetski h. You know he that ook the this is

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<v Speaker 2>so much where we spoke about that the rabbi is

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<v Speaker 2>just like the rabbis that tom would speak to each

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<v Speaker 2>other and we're not supposed to. Maybe, you know, be

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<v Speaker 2>led into the criticisms. Obviously Robbe Rudimin or a footner

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<v Speaker 2>of Rudiment could mock Rafutner a little and say jokingly,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do think he was saying it jokingly. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're too lazy to really look into the gamara, so

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<v Speaker 2>you come up with all this other michig goss. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what he's thinking. So but to see it in print,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit jarring. What he's referring to. Instantly

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<v Speaker 2>about Rafutner is raf Utner did believe in covode Hatra,

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<v Speaker 2>and he insisted on he demanded respect, and I'm told

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<v Speaker 2>his daughter who has the seminary, does the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you an example a story of this, the

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<v Speaker 2>story with the legendary Rebean Grillic. He was looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a school to send his son, and of course he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't send high school. He couldn't send it to MTA

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<v Speaker 2>if you know rubiau Relic. So he went to visit

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<v Speaker 2>Chin Berlin, and when he went in to meet Rafutner,

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<v Speaker 2>he was told by the assistant, when he leaves the

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with Rafutner, he should walk out stepping backwards, not

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<v Speaker 2>turn his back to him. And Rabbi Gerrelk's attitude was,

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of crazy place is this? Let's go, we

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<v Speaker 2>got to go find some other o the yeshiva. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's a UH, it's a it's a method of God

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<v Speaker 2>of UH instilling respect. It's one of you or one

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<v Speaker 2>of the people who heard on YouTube emailed me I

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<v Speaker 2>quoted from had been a mosaic that and Susanna made

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<v Speaker 2>a comment which I responded at. Certain things in the

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<v Speaker 2>Torah incorporate UH activities that were in the general population.

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<v Speaker 2>And someone wanted to know what was this held by

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<v Speaker 2>other rebon nime. Is this a radical thing? At first?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's radical at all, even from an

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<v Speaker 2>academics perspective, if we find any examples of Barriechlera's articles others.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Rambam himself mentions this about sacrifices. But leaving

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<v Speaker 2>that aside, I want to show you a book. It's called.

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<v Speaker 1>Mbam.

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<v Speaker 2>Two volumes came out last year in this year, and

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<v Speaker 2>also one volume of the Revolver and a Rambam's uh

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<v Speaker 2>introduction to Agada. It's that it's a by a man

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<v Speaker 2>named Mosha Mymone, who happens to be the grandson of

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<v Speaker 2>Raubselim and Mymon of Seattle. He is an incredible person.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a friend of mine, but he's incredible. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>Lakewood guy, learned in brisk but then he taught himself Arabic.

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<v Speaker 2>And what you have here is a new translation of

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<v Speaker 2>the two volumes. Look how thick it is. This is

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<v Speaker 2>volume on Schmos. We only have Umbracious and Schmos two

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<v Speaker 2>volumes full with notes. I mean he lives in mounds

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<v Speaker 2>and he lives in a Lakewood, teaches in Munsey. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is full of notes, academic notes, Torah notes what

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<v Speaker 2>a combination. He should win an award for these two volumes.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the things that you'll be reading in one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years. It's it's such an important contribution to scholarship.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually it's a beautiful volume too. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you could see it has a picture on the

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<v Speaker 2>front here it's beautiful of Revolver and Romo's signature. The

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<v Speaker 2>publisher is the same one who put out the Safer

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<v Speaker 2>Worth studying together. And if you look in volume two

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<v Speaker 2>on abracious volume one, page three point fifty four, Arambam

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<v Speaker 2>mentions how yebum liberate marriage is something that came before

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<v Speaker 2>the Torah. And then it says alf a Fishhimi Mitstanatara

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<v Speaker 2>Rambam says this that the Torah incorporated things that came

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<v Speaker 2>from before matan Tora. So you and and and as

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<v Speaker 2>his his method kadarkoh Kodesh, I should say, Rabbi MyMoon

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<v Speaker 2>has a long, long note giving all sorts of examples

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<v Speaker 2>of it. The book actually appears with the approbations from

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<v Speaker 2>both Rabbi Shelat and Rabbi Masus in addition to other people,

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<v Speaker 2>You're actually one more thing. And this goes back to

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<v Speaker 2>covil the clouds of gory? And I said, mentioned it's

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<v Speaker 2>all relevant? Uh? He gives he offers an explanation, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not soak. Andazus said, well, technically, you're right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>Kai and the Kavachim does speak about cabalistic nihud, but

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<v Speaker 2>He says you have to have kavanna thinking about why

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<v Speaker 2>other mitzvah do I do? We have tamaya mitzvoh the

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<v Speaker 2>with small means. You do the mitzer for the sake

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<v Speaker 2>So where else do you have this notion that when

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<v Speaker 2>pondering this and not coming up with any good answers

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<v Speaker 2>know them all but by first name. So maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>show their pictures if they're willing. Uh rebbi h Rabbi

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<v Speaker 2>Mortchai pointed out something amazing which I want to share

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<v Speaker 2>with you, which I did not know, and it's in

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<v Speaker 2>the bach the by Scottish of Reviewal Circus. If you

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<v Speaker 2>does the tour tell us this? Again? He has the

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<v Speaker 2>question I had, and the box says that Socca is

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<v Speaker 2>You need to focus, according to the tour, on the reason.

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<v Speaker 2>knows what the kavana of the mitzvah uh. And then

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<v Speaker 2>se mares. The tour tells us that uh. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>told us to wear it. Condation news Carco missus off

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<v Speaker 2>that we should remember all the mitzvahs and also the

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<v Speaker 2>in host fillin the uh. The show the tour says, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the tour says, as well, he gives the reason when

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<v Speaker 2>you wear it, uh, what you're supposed to have thinking

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<v Speaker 2>what the coven is supposed to be. So the Bach explains, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and why why does the bach explain why are these

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<v Speaker 2>do it with any other mitzvahs, where you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a special, separate kavana. Just have the mitzvah

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<v Speaker 2>and do that. Because it says by cisus lamont is caru,

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<v Speaker 2>You should remember it that that implies not just to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, but to have another intention. And what does

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<v Speaker 2>it say, it's fillin la monte. So the tour actually

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<v Speaker 2>says that the Bach actually says that Suka fill in

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<v Speaker 2>and sitsus are exceptions in that the tom the understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of the commandment is tied in to the mitzvah like

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have with other mitzvots. Incidentally, one more point

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<v Speaker 2>which in the new Majunia Shalim edition it points out interestingly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bit of a problem why Rabelzer says that

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<v Speaker 2>it's ananea cover to Rebiya Kiva says it's actual, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you look in the halahak midrash, the names are reversed,

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<v Speaker 2>and it seems that other people have the names reversed,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps even in the Talmud. So it's and because normally

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<v Speaker 2>we would assume we'd go through bikiva. So anyone is

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<v Speaker 2>interested in exploring it more, you can look that up. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>into what we're going to do now, because we stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>If you recall in the middle of the letter back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth to Rubbi Masu's about the issue of the

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<v Speaker 2>refrigerator on shabas and secretion on nirole, which I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>some clarification on in a second, and i'll show you.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't get to his reply yet. But before I

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<v Speaker 2>do that, I just want to share something because my

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<v Speaker 2>impressions have been over the years that does a lot

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<v Speaker 2>has happened recently when it comes to electricity, and people

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<v Speaker 2>few things that maybe you don't know. The first is

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago, following came out YPU the

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<v Speaker 2>Shabace switch. Here it is something called the Kosher switch.

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<v Speaker 2>This came out with the approbations of some really leading rabbis.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go to the website and see all about it.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy worked a number of years on it put

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money in and it would enable you

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<v Speaker 2>You can still buy it, but because the great Rabbis

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<v Speaker 2>didn't go along with it, no one's going to It

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<v Speaker 2>would enable you to turn lights on on shabis. The

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<v Speaker 2>way it works is that like let's say if you

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<v Speaker 2>opened your door and that maybe sometime during the day

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<v Speaker 2>a wind would come in and turn on the light.

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<v Speaker 2>So that would be fine because you're not there's no gruma,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not said anything up. The technology here is that

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<v Speaker 2>every second, like thousands of things are going back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth and by and it's the same thing by you

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<v Speaker 2>opening it up, there's no guarantee that will turn on

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<v Speaker 2>the light. But since millions of things are happening in

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<v Speaker 2>a second and the light usually will go on within

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<v Speaker 2>a second or two, and so this seemed to be

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<v Speaker 2>a way where you could open the turn on the

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<v Speaker 2>light on shoppis. And although the ruling of the big

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<v Speaker 2>rabbis was that it's a grama and they wouldn't allow it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can look on the website here you can see

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of big rabbis who supported it. They all

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<v Speaker 2>then had to retract. You can even see lectures on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Videos here. Let me show you what. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>well known post sake in America in New York before

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<v Speaker 2>he was forced to retract or was convinced. Listen what

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<v Speaker 2>he says. This would have changed the way we live.

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<v Speaker 5>I've seen the coast of switch that which was produced

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<v Speaker 5>by Ramanasha Colatte, read the counters and all the details

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<v Speaker 5>which is mentioned in the counterest. The switch has been demonstrated.

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<v Speaker 5>It's clear this is not a Gromas Shabis, there's no

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<v Speaker 5>question of any miloha being done by using that switch

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<v Speaker 5>in Masada Cheney. I recommend that anyone asks their own

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<v Speaker 5>love to find out whether it is within the spirit

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<v Speaker 5>of Shabis, although there is no real maloja, but as

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<v Speaker 5>you regarding the actual practical usage.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, my tenth grade Rebbi was even interviewed. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess because it is by him. I listen to what

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<v Speaker 2>he says. And then on the website there's a retraction

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<v Speaker 2>that here my tenth grade rebbe, after having observed the

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<v Speaker 2>way in which it works. It's dynamic. It seems, in

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<v Speaker 2>my humble opinion that al pi aloch is completely permissible. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he goes on so that didn't take off. However,

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<v Speaker 2>there is something else if you don't know about and

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<v Speaker 2>you can read about it on Wikipedia. The all about

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<v Speaker 2>the kosher switch. There's an another item that is permissible.

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<v Speaker 2>It even comes with an ou on it. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>wondering the ou. They don't only give ashkoka, they give

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<v Speaker 2>as at least a couple of letters. Not everyone knows

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but there's a way to have lamps on

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<v Speaker 2>on shabas. I travel with a special light that I use.

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<v Speaker 2>I can turn it on and off on shabis. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I bring it to the hotel. I bring it to Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>In an Morocco trip, I was talking about it and

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<v Speaker 2>no one believed me, but someone on the bus actually

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<v Speaker 2>had it with them. So I want to show you

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<v Speaker 2>something now. And this is this is one hundred percent mutter.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've never seen it, it will change your life.

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<v Speaker 2>You could have a nightlight on shabis, you could have

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<v Speaker 2>other things. It's called the shahbulb. Well, here's the video

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<v Speaker 2>of it. That's right, old baum, and you can get

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<v Speaker 2>it all the Steign stores. Here you go, let's play it.

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<v Speaker 3>Two kinds of people own shabas, those who can't read

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<v Speaker 3>and a spikee. Some creative but dangerouslutions.

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<v Speaker 1>There are those who can't sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>Introducing Shobal, the kosher solution to all shabast lighting problems,

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<v Speaker 3>be it too much or too little light, as you

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<v Speaker 3>slide the lever, tiny covers, slide over the led lights

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<v Speaker 3>inside the ball, cutting edge technology meets out of the

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<v Speaker 3>box thinking and the only ball you can actually adjust

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<v Speaker 3>on shoppers shove for shab lighting solutions.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is no different than the item that became popular.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are they called that thing you turned the uh?

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot what they called it. This is the light

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't go off, it just you close it and open it.

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<v Speaker 2>And this can plug into any of your It's just

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. It's a regular ball. So the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>you can't turn your bulbs on and off, now you

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<v Speaker 2>can turn bulbs on and off. And this has been

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<v Speaker 2>accepted by everyone. Even the satmar have it. But surprise

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<v Speaker 2>when I tell people about it on my trips and

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<v Speaker 2>they still have never heard of it. The Shabbol dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us now move to the safer, more interesting things.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, someone emailed me because I'm always saying interesting things.

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<v Speaker 2>Have we ever had a class that didn't have interesting things?

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<v Speaker 2>I hope not, because then what's the point of coming

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<v Speaker 2>out on a Monday night at age thirty. If it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be interesting, I hope at least the

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob Neusner, who wrote like ten books a year, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was always criticized. How can you write so much?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, if I say even one new thing in

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<v Speaker 2>That makes it worth it. I don't. I won't go

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<v Speaker 2>that far. But if we say one or two new things,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's worth it. We are in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the letter to Rabbi Mazou's. I forgot, incidentally that in

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<v Speaker 2>the last letter, right at the end, I sent him

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<v Speaker 2>something from Rabbi Goren, which I think you'd appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Rabbi Mazou's writes that Yeshiva students should go on

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<v Speaker 2>to Yulim. You shouldn't be so pious and say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go on to to U. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna stay in learning. My son, by the way, they

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<v Speaker 2>can go on to Yulim now, so he's in the

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<v Speaker 2>go on. And if he told me, I mean he

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<v Speaker 2>tells me. He goes to sleep early. He guys, getting

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<v Speaker 2>up at like five thirty or six am every morning

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<v Speaker 2>to Kraser to review and all that. If he said

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<v Speaker 2>I'm staying because I want to learn, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake. And when Rabbi Mazou said that, I sent

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<v Speaker 2>him what appears in Rev. Goren's autobiography. He tells us

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<v Speaker 2>the following story that when he was young, he was

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<v Speaker 2>with Roff Cook and he was with him. They were

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<v Speaker 2>Hara carmel, and he took a gamara with them, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was sitting and he was learning or if Goran

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<v Speaker 2>used to do a ten block day, and Ruff Cook

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<v Speaker 2>came into the woods where they were, he saw with

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<v Speaker 2>the gamorah, and he took the gamara from him, and

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<v Speaker 2>he says, I'm gonna tell you a story. He says

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<v Speaker 2>Whereff Cook says, when I was a young rabbi, I

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<v Speaker 2>went on vacation for a month. The city I guess

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<v Speaker 2>there was Bise where that he was a city rouv.

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<v Speaker 2>In two places, Zimil and Boyce, they gave him a

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<v Speaker 2>month off, like we give our rabbis a month off.

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<v Speaker 2>And in one of the relaxation places in Lithuania, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>I was sitting in the forest and I had a

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<v Speaker 2>gamar in my hand, and suddenly an old rabbi he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't say which who his name came to me. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a godobatura and you're a chimayim. And he took

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<v Speaker 2>the gamar away from me. And he says, this is gizl.

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<v Speaker 2>This is thievery, me thiever gamara. And ruff Cook says,

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<v Speaker 2>what did I do? Who'd I steal? Why is it thievery?

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<v Speaker 2>And the rabbi said to him the other rabbi, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>I could tell by looking at you that you're a

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<v Speaker 2>young rabbi and you certainly receive a salary from your

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<v Speaker 2>city to be a rev. Now Here you are in

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<v Speaker 2>a place of relaxation for an entire month, you're also

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<v Speaker 2>getting a salary. Now, why are you getting a salary?

447
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<v Speaker 2>The rabbi center of Cook. You're not serving the people,

448
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<v Speaker 2>you're not even in the city, so why should you

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<v Speaker 2>get a salary for this month? And he says the

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<v Speaker 2>answer is that the people know that you work hard

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<v Speaker 2>for eleven months, but you need to have a time

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<v Speaker 2>to relax. They understand that, and therefore they pay for

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<v Speaker 2>you to come for a month to relax. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>sitting here learning tomorrow the same way you did during

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<v Speaker 2>the year, you're not relaxing and you're not getting their

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<v Speaker 2>money's worth. So he's not saying don't learn, but you

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be doing the same hard sadarium of Rabbi Parnas

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<v Speaker 2>when I was in high school, said that that's when

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<v Speaker 2>like when he was not in a regular satyor he

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<v Speaker 2>learned to skim alitara, things like that. But you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be doing the regular learning because the community is not

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<v Speaker 2>paying you to have vacation to they're paying you to

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<v Speaker 2>relax somewhat. So I sent that to him. We were

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the letter. If you recall, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you the page number here again for those following along,

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<v Speaker 2>you can still buy the book if anyone wants to.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Simon Koff Mambete, page three oh nine. Well that's

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<v Speaker 2>the response mine I had written to Rabbi Mazou says,

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<v Speaker 2>what about if you forget to turn off the U

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<v Speaker 2>turn off the light in the fridge when I say

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<v Speaker 2>turn off the light, you can also if you wish, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to show you another item if I can

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<v Speaker 2>get on my screen here for a second, hmm, oh, here,

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<v Speaker 2>you can buy this item if you want to keep

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<v Speaker 2>a light in your refrigerator up, snow wrung book rum thing.

476
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<v Speaker 2>I'll show you that later. It's called the Shabis switch.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you say, I bought it six years or five

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, almost six years ago. You just you put

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<v Speaker 2>it in the refrigerator in every year of Shabas or Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>It's I've never forgotten. You just slide it. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to take out the light, and back and forth.

482
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<v Speaker 2>It says currently unavailable. I assume you can still get it.

483
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<v Speaker 2>They were sent to me from Passaic, so they probably

484
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<v Speaker 2>still have it at the Staring store there. The question was, though,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you do with the if it's all? If

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<v Speaker 2>you forget to turn it off? And I mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramamazous said, you have a cutdown below the age of

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<v Speaker 2>Renoch Minder And I said, maybe six years old. Actually

489
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's correct. I think six is already Reno.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Reno maybe four years old, I think would be.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I quoted Rubby a body who well explained,

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<v Speaker 2>and here's our or rub By a body. He showed

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<v Speaker 2>his pictures before here. He is from Lakewood, very original,

494
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<v Speaker 2>and he had a different perspective. He thought for reasons,

495
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<v Speaker 2>I explained and I'll say again that you could just

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<v Speaker 2>open and close it. You know, people, oh, they look

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<v Speaker 2>at rubbaia body sometimes and they think he has these

498
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<v Speaker 2>far out sachin. But I can tell you from studying

499
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<v Speaker 2>all of his writings that it only seems far out

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<v Speaker 2>because of the I guess the environment has moved in

501
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<v Speaker 2>a certain direction. But everything he says is actually based

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<v Speaker 2>on hawka, not always based on the accepted hawka, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's nothing's made up. And sometimes it reminds me almost

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<v Speaker 2>when Raimsolvcha wrote at the end of one of his articles,

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<v Speaker 2>not rupture reconstruction a different article. Then until he learned

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<v Speaker 2>your adaya in Smigra, he had no clue. I mean,

507
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<v Speaker 2>when he earned your day, he learned things like you

508
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<v Speaker 2>can serve cold cuts on a dairy plate, something which

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<v Speaker 2>of course everyone knows you can't. But of course that's

510
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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned this already before. But the disagrees h. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's interesting about Rabbai Abadhi. Then you have to

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<v Speaker 2>start asking, well, well, how come we moved in a

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<v Speaker 2>different direction, And we'll see in this case immediately why.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just want to give you another example, because

515
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<v Speaker 2>his kostros views, of course are the most interesting. And

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<v Speaker 2>now we're coming on paysack. If you just go to

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<v Speaker 2>the website of his kids, you can see that they

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<v Speaker 2>have a paysack list and they tell you what you

519
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<v Speaker 2>can buy on pay soach without special ashkokhas or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But everyone always points out, well, kalem, the kalem that

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<v Speaker 2>you can't you know, it could be cooked on a

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<v Speaker 2>non Kosher KLi. And when you learn yoidea, actually you

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<v Speaker 2>learn that it's not so clear. And on the contrary,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a principle of stomp khal and yomam that you

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<v Speaker 2>assume that a u tend so from a non Jew,

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<v Speaker 2>from anyone hasn't been used in the last twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's a dispute whether that applies to industrial or not.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to read you something just to show

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<v Speaker 2>you how he's not out of left field. And all

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<v Speaker 2>these people say like like if if a non Jew

531
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<v Speaker 2>made something in his house and in his pot, everyone

532
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<v Speaker 2>would assume, well, you can't eat it, because even if

533
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<v Speaker 2>it's kosher, it's cooked by a non Jewish pot. Reach

534
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<v Speaker 2>is just something here. This isn't a class incostros, But

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<v Speaker 2>I just it's in your adaya. Simon couvrete sif kuttandala.

536
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<v Speaker 2>And this is the tas quoting the taurusatas of the Rama,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll read it to you in Hebrew Hamino lajakel

538
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<v Speaker 2>we no sem dvarium hakalahem. The practice is to be

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<v Speaker 2>lenient and to buy from non Jews things that they

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<v Speaker 2>cook in their own pots, something which everyone knows, knows

541
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<v Speaker 2>and quotes. You can't do She ain't by me from

542
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<v Speaker 2>bisholakum bishegilium because it's not Uh, there's no bishegolium here. Why,

543
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<v Speaker 2>oh well, vestam clay and ain'tomam there. We assume that

544
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<v Speaker 2>they haven't you unless we know. We assume they haven't

545
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<v Speaker 2>used the pots in the last twenty four hours. AfLIA

546
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<v Speaker 2>to know, Saint Tom, we've got a rilla, even know rilla.

547
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<v Speaker 2>It's we assume that it's it's forbidden. What does that mean? Rachrilla?

548
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<v Speaker 2>That means you can't tell them to do it, You

549
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 2>can't order from them. What does he say? Mikoma com

550
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<v Speaker 2>w washed the street on a cane of arilla. The

551
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<v Speaker 2>Rama says, when you buy it, that's not rila. In

552
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<v Speaker 2>other words, you're not ordering it, you're not asking the

553
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<v Speaker 2>person to make it. He makes it, and then you're

554
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<v Speaker 2>walking down the street and you see it and then

555
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<v Speaker 2>you buy it. That's already the dav Od b Dieva

556
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<v Speaker 2>means after the fact ray noahgame hit or pol Krako.

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00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>He says, therefore, the min hug in Krako, that's where

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<v Speaker 2>the rama it was. You can go see his gever

559
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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have He says, Lek knows how goziem show Mayam

560
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 2>shaimavashlimagoium that the minnug here in Krako is to buy

561
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<v Speaker 2>these nuts of water nuts whatever that is that the

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<v Speaker 2>non jewice cook oh shardzvarin so Ramah tells you that

563
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<v Speaker 2>they would buy stuff that's uh, was made to cook

564
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<v Speaker 2>the way they make these nuts on the street in Manhattan,

565
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<v Speaker 2>something like that.

566
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And he says it's not h. You can assume it's not.

568
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.519
<v Speaker 2>The pot hasn't been used with tarfus in the last

569
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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours and the ramud didn't make it. So

570
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<v Speaker 2>when you see all these sucking from of a body

571
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<v Speaker 2>that rely on the the ingredients and you say Kaylee

572
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.079
<v Speaker 2>and Kaylee mah, I mean it's uh, he has sources,

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<v Speaker 2>take my word for it. He knows halaha better than

574
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<v Speaker 2>almost anyone today because he's not a brisker. He spent

575
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<v Speaker 2>his entire life, even in Lakewood, only on helahala Issa.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how he became the post take of the la

577
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<v Speaker 2>with Hiva precisely because he doesn't do hakiras and he's

578
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 2>not a roshaeshiva. He's allahala Now. So Ravabadi said, ask

579
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.359
<v Speaker 2>your ocal worth axtrabie if you rely on it. But

580
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 2>he said, you could close the open and close the freezer.

581
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<v Speaker 2>And I said, and he says, because it's an example

582
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<v Speaker 2>of we called cicurational nicole. And someone asked, correctly, well,

583
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<v Speaker 2>why is that thatsicurat that you don't benefit from You

584
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<v Speaker 2>are benefiting from it, because even if you don't want

585
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:51.519
<v Speaker 2>the light, the light's there. I Ravabodi does thinks that

586
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<v Speaker 2>if you don't want it, then it's not really I

587
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 2>looked into this. It could be that this depends on it.

588
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<v Speaker 2>There's a dispute. You have something called sicuration irs uh

589
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<v Speaker 2>cicratio that you don't care about. And some people distinguish

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<v Speaker 2>between a secretion that you don't care about, which would

591
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<v Speaker 2>be the case of the light versus the and but

592
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<v Speaker 2>you are benefiting from the light. But others say no,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no distinction. So you can look into that if

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<v Speaker 2>you want. It's uh, I don't want to spend any

595
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<v Speaker 2>more time, and I'll just tell you what rabbi and

596
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<v Speaker 2>he relied on the aura, as we saw the aura

597
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<v Speaker 2>who holds not just the our other sources as well,

598
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<v Speaker 2>that but mostly the aura. That it's a secretion is

599
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<v Speaker 2>m Rabbi Mazou's replies that Ravidio Safe, who also mentions

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<v Speaker 2>this idea, rejects it that we don't rely on the aura,

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<v Speaker 2>and and he says that even my head to open

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<v Speaker 2>the refrigerator with the the young person, he says, people

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<v Speaker 2>came and they attacked me for it, but then I

604
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<v Speaker 2>found there a vadios if agrees with me, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can ask your local rabbi. Although this has goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to the issue of the importance of the ach. The

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<v Speaker 2>Nassen Rome says that secretion you can rely on an

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<v Speaker 2>air force. Generally we don't use it, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>forget to turn your light on body says you can

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<v Speaker 2>open it, open and close it, relying on that, and

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<v Speaker 2>he also he gives some other reasons as well. He

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<v Speaker 2>says it's called a normal way of turning on the light.

613
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<v Speaker 2>He gives a couple other reasons, but it's still is radical.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know of any other post take who who

615
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<v Speaker 2>holds this, but it's completely based on the sources. Now,

616
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<v Speaker 2>the next question I asked Rabbi Mazus, it's really the last.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a long one, but it's the last one is

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<v Speaker 2>as follows. It is with kostrous of birds, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna give you a brief summary. Anyone interested in

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<v Speaker 2>the topic. H Rabbi Kelman has been getting all the

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<v Speaker 2>great people. Uh this last year, Rabbi Ari z Ivatovski

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<v Speaker 2>gave a class on Thanksgiving on turkey. Why can we

623
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<v Speaker 2>eat turkey? Who says it's kosher? I mean it comes

624
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<v Speaker 2>from the New World. It's not like there's a tradition.

625
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<v Speaker 2>And the halaha is according to that you need a

626
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<v Speaker 2>tradition because the guitara tells you what you can eat.

627
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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is we're not sure really what all

628
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<v Speaker 2>these birds are in the Tower Art school doesn't even

629
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<v Speaker 2>translate them. So the idea is that we don't eat

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<v Speaker 2>unless we have a tradition. And you could hear the

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<v Speaker 2>whole class by Rabbi Zivatovski. What I just focused on

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<v Speaker 2>a little thing. Today we have how many five six

633
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<v Speaker 2>types of birds we eat? And yet there used to

634
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<v Speaker 2>be a lot more, and it's not so long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a look at this what I'm gonna show you now.

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<v Speaker 2>In the nineteenth century, the rabbi the shot in Lavorno.

637
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<v Speaker 2>His name was yit Mayrakain. He wrote a safer called Zivrekohen.

638
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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's eighteen eighteen thirty two. Yeah, and with

639
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<v Speaker 2>all the walls of schwitza. But at the beginning of

640
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:10.960
<v Speaker 2>the safer he has pictures. Here, here's where's the pictures?

641
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<v Speaker 2>Really the pictures are. Originally he looked like this, Hold

642
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<v Speaker 2>I'm black and white. But in some no, hold on,

643
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>you can see it better. This is how it looks.

644
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<v Speaker 2>But in some editions of the book it was colored in.

645
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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's beautiful with the color. And here you

646
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<v Speaker 2>even have some names. But take a look here, so

647
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<v Speaker 2>he has he gives thirty different birds that were eating

648
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<v Speaker 2>in Italy, thirty and he even gives you the name,

649
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<v Speaker 2>and he and gives you the numbers, and then he

650
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<v Speaker 2>gives you the names. So, for instance, look at number

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<v Speaker 2>one it's a Hebrew the book except for at the

652
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<v Speaker 2>beginning number one. So whereas this is one, it's on

653
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<v Speaker 2>the angle, and in the safer, it's not turned on

654
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>this way, it's it's right side up. I don't know

655
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<v Speaker 2>why in the ozma they changed it. Here you have

656
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how pronounced it. It's fagiano. Its pheasant.

657
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<v Speaker 2>So here's a show you the pheasant. Number one, that's

658
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<v Speaker 2>a pheasant, or give you in color, where's the color pheasant? Here?

659
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Here that's a pheasant. And then we have all these

660
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<v Speaker 2>other birds that you can go through the list if

661
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<v Speaker 2>the in the copy on oltzer Hachma. Fortunately they they

662
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<v Speaker 2>have the English. I think it's English. Here there, Yeah,

663
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<v Speaker 2>partridge three is partridge. We don't need partridges. Let's see

664
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<v Speaker 2>what a partridge looks like. So here there's a partridge. Now,

665
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<v Speaker 2>all these thirty birds were eaten in Livorno. And that's

666
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<v Speaker 2>a masoura. And the whole talk of Rabbi Zatovski is

667
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<v Speaker 2>trying to find these massras because pheasant was a problem asant,

668
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<v Speaker 2>they says, But who says the peasant we have is

669
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<v Speaker 2>the same pheasant they had in Europe. You can't just

670
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<v Speaker 2>rely on the names. So Rabbi Zaviatovski and Ari green

671
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<v Speaker 2>Span they brought the pheasant to Rev. Joseph kaf and

672
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<v Speaker 2>he's testified, Yes, this course is kosher. We ate it

673
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<v Speaker 2>in Yemen and they they they checked it in front

674
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<v Speaker 2>of him, and he wrote a letter. And then he

675
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<v Speaker 2>shows a picture of her by Tendler. Uh, you know

676
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<v Speaker 2>eating it. They served it at the feast. Uh Re

677
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<v Speaker 2>Schachter holds pheasants kosher. How can you not hold it's kosher.

678
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<v Speaker 2>The rabbi of my show, uh, Rabbi Spivac used to

679
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<v Speaker 2>just teach srita yu and he did a pheasant. He

680
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<v Speaker 2>told me he would check the pheasant for me if

681
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<v Speaker 2>I wanted it. But my wife she doesn't have to

682
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<v Speaker 2>clean the hell thing out, So forget that.

683
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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

684
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<v Speaker 2>But you My question, Turlie Mazou's, is well, then can

685
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<v Speaker 2>we rely on these?

686
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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

687
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<v Speaker 2>This list here, we have the pictures, we have the name,

688
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<v Speaker 2>it's the massra they et it. Can we eat it now?

689
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Aris if Atofski his' point is that he says, well,

690
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.679
<v Speaker 2>you can't rely on pictures, and you can only you

691
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>have to have an actual oral tradition. So you have

692
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<v Speaker 2>to find the old show from Morocco or from Aiden

693
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, and uh Reman Mazous doesn't say

694
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<v Speaker 2>that Remimsous. Well, I'll tell you what Rema Mazou says

695
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<v Speaker 2>that if this, if these two move note are known,

696
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<v Speaker 2>that if you look at it, you could see this

697
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<v Speaker 2>is a partridge. And of course you have the name,

698
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<v Speaker 2>and then Mahabur was a you're a Jamayam f Charlie Smalleralayium.

699
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<v Speaker 2>You can rely on it. It's like, for instance, if

700
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<v Speaker 2>if all of a sudden, God forbid, all of us

701
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<v Speaker 2>were killed by the Nazis or something, and the only

702
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>people allow live or five year olds Jews, and then

703
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:50.800
<v Speaker 2>they all come back to Yidish kit later and they

704
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 2>want to know can they eat a chicken? Well, there's

705
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.039
<v Speaker 2>no one to ask, because they were all children when

706
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.400
<v Speaker 2>all of us were killed. You say they couldn't eat

707
00:39:58.400 --> 00:39:59.760
<v Speaker 2>a chicken. Of course they could eat a chicken. The

708
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.039
<v Speaker 2>chicken has the name chicken. They know chickens were eaten.

709
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<v Speaker 2>It's the same chicken. You don't need. It doesn't make

710
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<v Speaker 2>sense to say you only would need an o world

711
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<v Speaker 2>tradition if you can establish it by pictures, by other things.

712
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<v Speaker 2>And then so Ray Mazous says, you can rely on those.

713
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<v Speaker 2>The ou has not accept a pheasant for reasons that

714
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 2>we can't understand, but they did accept quail. Quail was

715
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 2>only recently brought back. But there's other birds as well.

716
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.239
<v Speaker 2>And then Rabbi Mazou says, a few years ago there

717
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<v Speaker 2>was a they did a masiba at Barilon, a feast,

718
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 2>and they brought all these rare birds. That's why by Sivatovski,

719
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<v Speaker 2>and which there's a masora and even hagavin, the locusts,

720
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<v Speaker 2>the grasshoppers, and they invited me to come, and I

721
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<v Speaker 2>couldn't come. I asked Rabbi Ziviatovski since he organized it.

722
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<v Speaker 2>So they had swordfish, they had all sorts of interesting things.

723
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<v Speaker 2>He said. He went to red Mazzoos and he asked

724
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<v Speaker 2>him and he couldn't come. But this is the sort

725
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.880
<v Speaker 2>of thing he'd be interested in. So it's uh. I

726
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know in Israel how easy it is to get

727
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.519
<v Speaker 2>peasant if the rabbi nuts certify it. But it has

728
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 2>the masoura. And that is again, anyone interested to take

729
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:11.840
<v Speaker 2>a listen to rabbis of Atowski's class on that that,

730
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Rayi Mazous says, you can rely on it. It shows

731
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 2>you how much we've lost. Though. If one hundred and

732
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>fifty years ago they were eating thirty birds in Italy,

733
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.119
<v Speaker 2>they're not even them today in Italy. They're they're like us.

734
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<v Speaker 2>They were certain birds we've settled on, and that's terrible.

735
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<v Speaker 2>I already quoted you or Shalmy that we're going to

736
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<v Speaker 2>be called to account for all the pleasures that we

737
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:32.320
<v Speaker 2>are given that we don't take advantage of. If these

738
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 2>are a kosher bird, and mess you're a vegetarian, you

739
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.800
<v Speaker 2>should be eating it. And so I give a lot

740
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:41.480
<v Speaker 2>of credit to Arisaviatovski for his efforts in tracking down

741
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:46.880
<v Speaker 2>the old chi. And but then I go on about Livorno,

742
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.079
<v Speaker 2>and I say as follows. I say that a few

743
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 2>years ago I asked one of your students, a very

744
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 2>nice man, raviat Erddi, he's the Rabbi of Lavorno, and

745
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 2>he had never even heard of this safer. And then Rabbi,

746
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 2>I say that, Rabbi did he told me something interesting? Yeah,

747
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.079
<v Speaker 2>the the great Ridau Refleim Josef David Aula is buried

748
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.840
<v Speaker 2>in Livorno. Was was buried in Livorno. Refaim Josef Doavazza

749
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 2>they used to say about him Josef as Josef caro

750
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.039
<v Speaker 2>ad Josef him like, oh come k Yosef, none has

751
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.840
<v Speaker 2>arisenally Josef. Now they say it about Revad Josef. Before

752
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:28.920
<v Speaker 2>after the Sardi referred to one great rabbi as Maran,

753
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:33.320
<v Speaker 2>and that was Hi, mister, an unbelievable figure. Well, he died.

754
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:36.480
<v Speaker 2>He was living in Livorno. He died there and he

755
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 2>was buried there. She Rabbi Jitzak niss Him was very

756
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:43.360
<v Speaker 2>attached to Rabbi Rida as many as Farda Kdoli were.

757
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Such an unusual interesting figure. He's a bibliographer. He his

758
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.519
<v Speaker 2>usage of tanach is just out of sight. How he

759
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.199
<v Speaker 2>knows all this? He wrote so much. He was a michel.

760
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:57.400
<v Speaker 2>At first he's raising money for Archie Strael. He man

761
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>ends up in Italy and stays there many many years.

762
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.800
<v Speaker 2>He marries his bride from Pisa, and he lives in Livorno,

763
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>and then he dies there and reminiss him convince the

764
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>community to allow the new State of Israel to take

765
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 2>the bones of the Rida and rebury him in the

766
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:15.800
<v Speaker 2>land of Israel. And if you go to harman Uchos,

767
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:17.760
<v Speaker 2>you can go they built this big caver. It was

768
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.519
<v Speaker 2>a huge funeral. It was a very big deal. By

769
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<v Speaker 2>Didi said to me that the community now when it's

770
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<v Speaker 2>it's a community of may five hundred Jews struggling to

771
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<v Speaker 2>hold on. He says, they regret very much now that

772
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 2>they agreed to that. Why because now you have the

773
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Kavarian tours. You have these people that go on the

774
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<v Speaker 2>tours to see all the graves and the Rida. There's

775
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:42.840
<v Speaker 2>a few Sphardak sages who the ash Hasidim love and

776
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and one of them, but one of them is the

777
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<v Speaker 2>hum Of course, because of the Bauschampto of the letter

778
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<v Speaker 2>from Progressional Kit to the b the ri Da, all

779
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<v Speaker 2>the Ashkenazi know the ri Da and had Rida still

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<v Speaker 2>been buried in Livorno. It would be a stop on

781
00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:59.199
<v Speaker 2>the Kavaran tours. All the Hasidium would come to visit

782
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Ridain and that would bring money into the community. They

783
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>tried to open a little restaurant, but they get no tourists,

784
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>so they can't. But if they had the Hasidium been

785
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.239
<v Speaker 2>coming every summer when things before COVID, you'd have regular

786
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:12.119
<v Speaker 2>groups of Hasidium they journey to these places. It would

787
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 2>bring a lot of money into the community in the

788
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Tarren motion tours. We went there two times, and we

789
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 2>went to Livorno. It's very nice. Then we stopped going

790
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 2>because kosher winery opened, and although I know Rebby Killman

791
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>much prefers going to the shoals the winery. They feed

792
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>us lunch there and it's people like wineries, and we

793
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.000
<v Speaker 2>don't have time to do both. So we go to

794
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Pisa instead of going to Levorno, which is a fascinating place.

795
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Livorno it was a way called an Irva Ambs trail.

796
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>It was the center of Tora Judaism into the nineteenth century,

797
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>and it was it was. It was a port city,

798
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:50.719
<v Speaker 2>a fascinating place and a beautiful, interesting show. But no

799
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<v Speaker 2>one goes there anymore. And then I said to but

800
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<v Speaker 2>they do have Godoli Moore barried er jos Er gasfer

801
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<v Speaker 2>beIN a moasaic, and I tell Rebemazous that the square

802
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.320
<v Speaker 2>in front of the show is called Piata said been

803
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<v Speaker 2>a mosaic, And so he replies as follows to me

804
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<v Speaker 2>that when they brought the bones of the Rida to

805
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Israel Rabia, Levine wasn't sure if he should go because

806
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.239
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't sure if it was a good thing to move,

807
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, moving someone's bones. Even Tara decerol is not

808
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 2>so simple. But then he did like the go rojagra,

809
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 2>you open up the tanach. And what did he come to?

810
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Shiramalas la David. That's referring to u Rida, you know,

811
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.320
<v Speaker 2>go into the house of God. You know, it implied

812
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<v Speaker 2>to him that he should go to the funeral, and

813
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.000
<v Speaker 2>he went. And then he says, there was a question

814
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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight if the bones of the Vilnagon should be

815
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 2>brought to Israel. Some people want to bring ram Nachman's

816
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 2>bones also, but they asked for Jim Moser Grazinski, and

817
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.280
<v Speaker 2>he opposed moving the Vilnagone. And then it says, this

818
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:54.400
<v Speaker 2>is what ramamo Zou says. Now after the Holocaust, they

819
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 2>do not know exactly where the Villnagone is buried. And

820
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.360
<v Speaker 2>he says, so I saw in this book aid for

821
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 2>emotion praeger lojaval. He says, isn't it unfortunate? Sir Mazous says,

822
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 2>they should have brought the grave the bones of the Villainagone.

823
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:12.280
<v Speaker 2>This notion of the girl. Incidentally, he what Reba Mazou

824
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:16.039
<v Speaker 2>says is absolutely correct. I call your attention to h

825
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.800
<v Speaker 2>where is it here schne or Lyman in a post

826
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 2>from twenty twelve, who is buried in the Vlnagones tomb?

827
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 2>And he will he explains exactly what's going on that

828
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<v Speaker 2>what is marked as the Villainagones tomb? Where is it?

829
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.199
<v Speaker 2>He says at the end, he examines all the evidence

830
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 2>and he tells he tells you where he's buried, but

831
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<v Speaker 2>not where the marker is. So Reba Mazous is correct

832
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 2>on this. And then he says to me about Robbie

833
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<v Speaker 2>Bena Mosaic, and a new book just came out published

834
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.480
<v Speaker 2>by Rabbi Zinny of Haifa. We've spoken about him translation

835
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<v Speaker 2>from French from the manuscript, but he says, rebenah Mosic,

836
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>his books are very important. I did I think two

837
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 2>or three classes on into our emotion. He says that

838
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>the rabbis of Aleppo, they attacked him a lot of

839
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 2>r a nothing. They attacked him because Ben a Mosic

840
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.239
<v Speaker 2>was citing ancient sources to prove things. In fact, he

841
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.079
<v Speaker 2>even cites an ancient source to support He cites sources

842
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to support Madrassa. He cites Poliny that the Pharaohs used

843
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.320
<v Speaker 2>to like to bathe in blood as a toe cure,

844
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.639
<v Speaker 2>like their leprosies. And he ties it into the midrash

845
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.480
<v Speaker 2>that talks about the bathing in the blood of the

846
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.199
<v Speaker 2>of the Jews. So they I'm not going to say

847
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:35.800
<v Speaker 2>he was the nus and Sliffkan of his day. That

848
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:37.760
<v Speaker 2>has there been a mosaic, but he was citing all

849
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 2>these ancient sources to help us understand passages in in

850
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.199
<v Speaker 2>the Torah, things today which are kosher one, but in

851
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.679
<v Speaker 2>Aleppo they were always extremist in Aleppo. And then he

852
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.920
<v Speaker 2>mentions that someone's working on to reissue the parish and

853
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:56.039
<v Speaker 2>that is the enough I think we can say uh

854
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:59.320
<v Speaker 2>for oh In. And he says what rober Body says

855
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:03.079
<v Speaker 2>that he tries to his his head there that the

856
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:06.079
<v Speaker 2>view that electricity is not a tower prohibition, it's a

857
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.639
<v Speaker 2>it's only rabbinic he says, Ravadio safe, this is a

858
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:14.920
<v Speaker 2>ps Ravadio Safe disagrees with that. So that's Simon Kuffman bays.

859
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Now where at Simam Gibble, we have a few more

860
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:21.679
<v Speaker 2>letters of from Maszoo's two more letters here and then

861
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.440
<v Speaker 2>we'll get one or two more. Now they're small. We

862
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:25.760
<v Speaker 2>went through the long ones. We're on page three ten,

863
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 2>and we all know who Rebby Salavachik is because we're

864
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 2>we're Ushkenazi where we're Americans, I should say, uh. And

865
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:42.920
<v Speaker 2>we know that he's a philosopher, he's a holarist. I'm

866
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 2>reading Rebby massous this I sent this. This is from

867
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:48.280
<v Speaker 2>two thoy and twelve, his letter to me. I'm reading

868
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 2>him all these years, since nineteen eighty nine. Not once

869
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 2>does he ever sight of Salivachic. He's citing sit see,

870
00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:00.360
<v Speaker 2>he's signing everyone. He's not citing of Soliveachic. How could

871
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.639
<v Speaker 2>someone like him not cite of Salivachik? So I sent

872
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 2>him Nefa Sharov. If you want to get a sense

873
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:13.719
<v Speaker 2>of of Solivachikachics perspectives and ideas, nothing's better than of

874
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Reba Schachtra's first volume, Nefashov, which has mistakes he acknowledges.

875
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:20.360
<v Speaker 2>We're going to see a mistake that he acknowledges to

876
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:24.000
<v Speaker 2>me where he says he acknowledged mistakes. He did it

877
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:25.599
<v Speaker 2>within a year, he had to finish it within a year,

878
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>and the mistakes are always when it says Shamati, that's

879
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 2>been my experience. That is, he has things. Every when

880
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.400
<v Speaker 2>it's personal, then you can rely on it. But sometimes

881
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:40.239
<v Speaker 2>there's things in the legends in Yu, so he'll cite

882
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 2>it's Shamati I heard, So who do you hear from?

883
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean it's reliable, and I can give you some

884
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 2>examples perhaps where it's not reliable. But I sent Herma

885
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Mazuza of solvation Nehasarov and he says as follows to me.

886
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.719
<v Speaker 2>He writes back to me, I don't know the writings

887
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:01.360
<v Speaker 2>of hagon Revs. All I know is Colomun cold do fak,

888
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:06.079
<v Speaker 2>which is his classic Zionist uh say isha munab abadaide

889
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.119
<v Speaker 2>which is the only man of faith, and his other writings.

890
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>In other words, here you have Rabbi Mazus. Granted he

891
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:15.400
<v Speaker 2>comes from Tunis, but he thought that Rabbi Solivachik was

892
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.280
<v Speaker 2>like a great Orthodox philosopher, like like Levinos maybe or

893
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 2>more than Levinos, of course, because he's a tomak Hacham.

894
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.159
<v Speaker 2>But then he's a philosopher. Then he wasn't a great

895
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.760
<v Speaker 2>rosha shiva. That he wasn't a post sake, and he

896
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:29.960
<v Speaker 2>was a post ag although he didn't write shows and shuvos.

897
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Generally he was a post sake for bost. He was

898
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:34.760
<v Speaker 2>a head of law commission for the RCA. He was

899
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 2>god Oshmagdoli and Rabbi Mazuz didn't even know that. It's

900
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.159
<v Speaker 2>almost like Red Mazuz is like these uh scholars of

901
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:46.039
<v Speaker 2>Jewish philosophy. Sometimes they portray Rabbi Salavachik as fundamentally a

902
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:48.760
<v Speaker 2>philosopher who happened to teach talmud. You know, that was

903
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.840
<v Speaker 2>just how he made his living. He uh, he taught Talmud,

904
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.239
<v Speaker 2>but really essentially he was more of a philosopher. It's

905
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 2>not true at all. Rabby Salivaichik was folk. His major

906
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 2>full focus was on the study of Gamara and uh

907
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Halaha and all these other things were extra and enable

908
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.519
<v Speaker 2>you to understand Tom would better. But rassolve Acuk was

909
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.440
<v Speaker 2>primarily focus on his Tom would study and I guess

910
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.800
<v Speaker 2>in the summer on his breaks, then he would focus

911
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.039
<v Speaker 2>and write about these other things. This is different in

912
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:21.920
<v Speaker 2>rough Cook. Roof Cook's major focus. Even if you tell

913
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:23.519
<v Speaker 2>me that eighty percent of his time was spent on

914
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Hallajah as a rove, his major focus, and he says

915
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 2>it explicitly, was not on the Hawka matters. Roof Cook

916
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 2>says that I don't have originality, much originality when it

917
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.800
<v Speaker 2>comes to hallaka. My originality is in aga, dhah and philosophy.

918
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:41.519
<v Speaker 2>So this is I don't know if this is the

919
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.880
<v Speaker 2>rebbei Mazous observing the Yeshiva world's portrayal of the rove

920
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 2>as this philosopher and try to remove from him the

921
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 2>fact that he's the greatest rosashiva of his time, as

922
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Roy Tenros says, the greatest rosashiva. So as people said,

923
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:56.239
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean, what about your father in law?

924
00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 2>But Rai Tenroth's point was that his father in law

925
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.920
<v Speaker 2>was great, and this is mostly seen as a postsake

926
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:05.280
<v Speaker 2>or solvacik as a rosha shiva. And then he says,

927
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.440
<v Speaker 2>uh in matters of how I never saw or heard

928
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 2>of him until now. And it appears that this is

929
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:15.119
<v Speaker 2>a form of modern Orthodoxy Orthodoxy, a modern uh uh.

930
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:18.519
<v Speaker 2>Only someone who's living in a completely different world than

931
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 2>us would not know that the love is uh is

932
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.760
<v Speaker 2>so great in those areas. And then we get a

933
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:28.119
<v Speaker 2>different question, and I think, uh, well, I know some

934
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.400
<v Speaker 2>of you, David Eisham, like the Susanna, will like it,

935
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 2>and some others of you will like it. Getting back

936
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.079
<v Speaker 2>to a grammatical point, and uh, we know the ten commandments.

937
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 2>We spoke out the ten commandments. How do you say

938
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 2>ten commandments of Hebrew Sarah to Debra Sarah sa debros.

939
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.239
<v Speaker 2>So already we see it's not s sir, it's it's

940
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 2>it's masculine. So the question is, uh what? First of all,

941
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:57.039
<v Speaker 2>what what's this word? A debrot? Pull up something here?

942
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to show you. Uh is it if

943
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 2>we say ha debrou? Then uh? Why is it is that? Say?

944
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Is that feminine?

945
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Is that?

946
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Hold on, I'll get you to post what I want

947
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:13.800
<v Speaker 2>to show you in a minute. Then if it's feminine,

948
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:18.079
<v Speaker 2>why is it sarahs what I had text? Email? Not

949
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 2>email what I had mailed? And this will be the last. Well,

950
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:22.639
<v Speaker 2>actually we started a two minutes later, so we can

951
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:28.599
<v Speaker 2>go on. I I asked for my mazusas follows. Is

952
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.920
<v Speaker 2>it really correct that we refer to it as the

953
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:36.360
<v Speaker 2>as sarata debro? Maybe it should be hold on, let's

954
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:43.599
<v Speaker 2>see where my page is here. No, I'm gonna have

955
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:47.079
<v Speaker 2>to maybe here it is. Oh yes, maybe it should

956
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 2>be like who says it's a Sarah ta de bro?

957
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:55.159
<v Speaker 2>And what would be there if it's sta'var, then would

958
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that be debro I wrote a proof. It's not my proof.

959
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 2>What I'm gonna show you now I saw and believe

960
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.440
<v Speaker 2>it or not. In the Journal of Biblical Literature years ago.

961
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not exactly your regular nighttime reading, and but Journal

962
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 2>of Biblical Literature an article by Robert Gordis. Robert Gordis,

963
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:16.559
<v Speaker 2>who's a great scholar of Tanach and taught for many

964
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.559
<v Speaker 2>years in the seminary before that, was a concerner, acting

965
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:23.639
<v Speaker 2>conservative rabbi. He wrote the standard work on creative so

966
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.760
<v Speaker 2>he wrote an article on general Biblica. Sure his grandson

967
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 2>is a bit of a not a bit. He's a

968
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:33.760
<v Speaker 2>real public intellectual. Daniel Gordis, if you know Daniel Gordis

969
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:38.360
<v Speaker 2>who he's involved with tikva also, and he's written a

970
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:40.400
<v Speaker 2>book on big you know, he wrote a couple of

971
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:44.519
<v Speaker 2>years ago a requiem for Conservative Judaism. He comes from Royalty,

972
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Gordis family, and his father's a Rabic

973
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:50.119
<v Speaker 2>serve rabbi. And basically he's explaining why he's transferred his

974
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:53.559
<v Speaker 2>allegiance to Orthodox even though maybe theologically he's not Orthodox,

975
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:58.159
<v Speaker 2>but there's no future in the conservative movement, and Robert

976
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Gordis himself, at the end of his life, I think

977
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 2>it was his last essay, said that we failed because

978
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:07.079
<v Speaker 2>we never make made demands. We assumed that if you

979
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 2>want to get the people, you have to lower the standards.

980
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.880
<v Speaker 2>And yet look at RaBaD. Habbad never tells people that

981
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:15.039
<v Speaker 2>they can drive on shabas. The fact that people drive

982
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:16.880
<v Speaker 2>to their showing shab is fine, they drive, but they

983
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Habbad never legitimizes it. Rabbad keeps their standards and always

984
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 2>hoping that people move up higher and higher. Conservative Judaism

985
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.119
<v Speaker 2>thought that they would attract people by lowering the standards,

986
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.480
<v Speaker 2>and yet people are not attracted to that. People are

987
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:33.320
<v Speaker 2>sophisticated enough to understand their standards and maybe they don't

988
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:35.360
<v Speaker 2>measure up to it, but they're not that you don't

989
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:38.599
<v Speaker 2>need to lower standards. So Gordis acknowledge that. Well, Gordis

990
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:40.159
<v Speaker 2>pointed out the following I want you to look here

991
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:43.800
<v Speaker 2>in the makoto. It says as follows, Uh, you see

992
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 2>where my marker is. You see the marker? Yes, it

993
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:53.679
<v Speaker 2>says manisht hadavar ha me cool? So what is how

994
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:54.760
<v Speaker 2>does this we know? Monused on?

995
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:54.920
<v Speaker 3>All?

996
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Right?

997
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:59.719
<v Speaker 2>How does this matter? Davar differ me coole? How is

998
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:04.440
<v Speaker 2>that it's supposedly pronounced. It's not pronounced deep rot. It

999
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:12.320
<v Speaker 2>has to be pronounced devar rote, manna, no minda ham

1000
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.760
<v Speaker 2>we called devar rot, and then it goes on shaku

1001
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 2>on hayami dimosha. What we see from here is that

1002
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:27.880
<v Speaker 2>in Gorda says in how is it called natoo, it

1003
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:34.159
<v Speaker 2>says Sarah the ten words or the ten statements. So

1004
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:36.400
<v Speaker 2>what Gorda says is that if you look at Rassal,

1005
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:41.679
<v Speaker 2>the ten devarim become the ten de varot. And we

1006
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:45.199
<v Speaker 2>have lots of examples where a masculine word will have

1007
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:48.559
<v Speaker 2>a feminine ending. So I wrote, Tom's what do you

1008
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 2>make of this? And what we'll end with this? This

1009
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.239
<v Speaker 2>is to be our last point. What do you make

1010
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 2>of this that really we're all making a mistake. It

1011
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.360
<v Speaker 2>should it shouldn't be a Sarata deprot, It should be

1012
00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 2>a Sarah devarote. And the proof is the Marilta, which

1013
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 2>it's clear that the pooral of Davar they're giving Davar

1014
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.679
<v Speaker 2>with above tough ending. So should we apply the same

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00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>thing to a serata debrot rebel Mazouz replies to me,

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00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:15.840
<v Speaker 2>he actually, we have one more thing after this. He

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00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't think so. He doesn't think so, and he thinks

1018
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:25.639
<v Speaker 2>that the root of debro is as follows, This is

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00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.280
<v Speaker 2>the sort of stuff I even looked in BDB, I

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00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.079
<v Speaker 2>couldn't find this. He thinks, the root of debro is

1021
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.679
<v Speaker 2>found in where is it? The book of your Miyou

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00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:38.639
<v Speaker 2>this word chapter five, very unusual word at five thirteen.

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00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Look at this Pussic van naviemy the prophet shall become

1024
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.880
<v Speaker 2>win de bear aimed by him, and the word is

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00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.599
<v Speaker 2>not in them. This is a I think it's pretty

1026
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:54.679
<v Speaker 2>much unique, where instead of a davar you have or

1027
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:58.679
<v Speaker 2>deboor you have the word debar used as a noun.

1028
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:04.559
<v Speaker 2>And Maszous says, this, the poral of debro is de bear.

1029
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.119
<v Speaker 2>It's not debra or anything like that. It can't be

1030
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:11.000
<v Speaker 2>feminine because there would then be it wouldn't be a serah.

1031
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:15.400
<v Speaker 2>So the poral of Sarah a debrot is this unusual

1032
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:18.400
<v Speaker 2>word de bear. And he says, what's the and he says,

1033
00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:21.119
<v Speaker 2>we have a number of examples like this, a vote

1034
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a feminine ending l quote and he gives other

1035
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.599
<v Speaker 2>exam note and he says, for whatever reason, the word

1036
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:36.119
<v Speaker 2>debar a word the poral is a feminine debrote, and

1037
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:38.760
<v Speaker 2>that is the tradition and this and it's based on

1038
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.800
<v Speaker 2>the authentic word debar, unlike what Gordis says that really

1039
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.039
<v Speaker 2>it's all a mistake deva rote. I don't know if

1040
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:48.039
<v Speaker 2>there's any other solution. It either has to be devote

1041
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:51.320
<v Speaker 2>like Gordas says, or deeprote. But if it's deeprot, which

1042
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 2>we assume it is, that's the tradition. The root has

1043
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:56.000
<v Speaker 2>to be debear. Now, go in your shoulder next time

1044
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you're there, if you're going to shoulder shavice, or when

1045
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 2>you get your vaccine, and ask your local, your locle hebras,

1046
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:06.679
<v Speaker 2>ask your okrask what's the singular of debro? We all

1047
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.559
<v Speaker 2>know the bro, what's the singular and they'll say Dovar probably,

1048
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:13.119
<v Speaker 2>or but then if it's dovar, how is debro this

1049
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:16.039
<v Speaker 2>squirrel of dovar. That's the first question I asked him.

1050
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:20.679
<v Speaker 2>And the final one we'll end with is you can't

1051
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:22.440
<v Speaker 2>see my question, I'll read you his answer and then

1052
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.199
<v Speaker 2>i'll explain the question. He says, the word tora is

1053
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:28.800
<v Speaker 2>certainly a feminine word. It can't be massaculine. If if

1054
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:32.320
<v Speaker 2>we say katra, what it means is the Torah in

1055
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:36.079
<v Speaker 2>the Torah Katok has written this, and we will never

1056
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:39.440
<v Speaker 2>say the tora kotave. So what's going on here? Why

1057
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:42.239
<v Speaker 2>let me show you something? And this shows that I'm

1058
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:44.719
<v Speaker 2>not on top of things the way I should be.

1059
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:53.480
<v Speaker 2>But I'm gonna show you tokim here. Where are we here? Yes?

1060
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:59.400
<v Speaker 2>So if you look in, yes, if you look in

1061
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:07.880
<v Speaker 2>the mission in Jazeno, let me starting. It's suthing chapter

1062
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:11.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty nine, verse twenty. And this will take us back

1063
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:14.719
<v Speaker 2>to r. Weeder. What does the tora say? It says

1064
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.440
<v Speaker 2>God will Lord will single you out from all the

1065
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:20.480
<v Speaker 2>tries from misfortune kho alo tabrit in accordance with the

1066
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:24.280
<v Speaker 2>sanctions of the convenent. Now look at this hakatuva, the

1067
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 2>safer ha torajase that are written in the safer hat

1068
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:35.079
<v Speaker 2>tora haase. Maybe I recalled this pussk where it clearly

1069
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:39.039
<v Speaker 2>says hot tora jase. So I thought that maybe sometimes

1070
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Torah could be feminine. Just because I have a hay

1071
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:45.079
<v Speaker 2>ending well, I also has a hay ending Excuse me,

1072
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that haze refers to a safer well that

1073
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.800
<v Speaker 2>you know more than I did. But I wasn't looking

1074
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:55.079
<v Speaker 2>at it because if i'd look, you'd see Rashi. Rashi

1075
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 2>actually deals with my question. So I will show you

1076
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Rashi in a second. But I'll show you. But here's

1077
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:02.679
<v Speaker 2>the problem. So then you turn to another pussk. This

1078
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:06.599
<v Speaker 2>is what Rashi points out. Now if you look, but

1079
01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.880
<v Speaker 2>thank you for that, because you're anticipating Rashi. If you

1080
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:15.039
<v Speaker 2>look here in Pericus, what does it say here? Then

1081
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.719
<v Speaker 2>it says, uh, the word will bring upon you all

1082
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:21.199
<v Speaker 2>together diseases. I'll share low katuf which are not written

1083
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:28.400
<v Speaker 2>the safer. So here it says safer tost feminine. And

1084
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:34.280
<v Speaker 2>before it said safer, it says, so, which is it? Well,

1085
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:37.559
<v Speaker 2>had I I don't even remember when I wrote the letter.

1086
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I was just I didn't check. I just had it

1087
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:43.239
<v Speaker 2>in my mind for some reason, that sometimes Tora's masculine,

1088
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.079
<v Speaker 2>it's not. It's never masculine. And Rashi raises the question

1089
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 2>in Aseno, and Rashi points out and he cites both

1090
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:52.039
<v Speaker 2>and sorry and it's so he cites both verses. Look

1091
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.960
<v Speaker 2>at this verse, look at the great dik took the

1092
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:59.559
<v Speaker 2>time meme. It says the safer, So that as we

1093
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.239
<v Speaker 2>saw for Rabbi Weeder that ends. That's say what we

1094
01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:03.119
<v Speaker 2>that closes?

1095
01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:03.519
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

1096
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I forget what uh? I forget the the technical English

1097
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:12.360
<v Speaker 2>term they use. Then for someone's gonna remind me of

1098
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:18.360
<v Speaker 2>when it it closes? The uh, the uh, the TODs what.

1099
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:20.239
<v Speaker 1>What is it?

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01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:26.679
<v Speaker 2>It's disjunctive disjunctive. There you go. Disjunctive okay, disjunctive and

1101
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:30.639
<v Speaker 2>conjunctive okay, so it ends it safe nance result. Now

1102
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:33.599
<v Speaker 2>if you look in the other pussok here, it is

1103
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.760
<v Speaker 2>exactly what's I think with Susanna who is saying it.

1104
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:44.039
<v Speaker 2>It says haktuvaba torah disjunctive ends, so save goes together hase,

1105
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:50.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's safah haze so that I that's not This

1106
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.440
<v Speaker 2>is not mentioned in the book, but this will explain

1107
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.280
<v Speaker 2>what's in the background here. Why there even would be

1108
01:02:56.360 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 2>a question? I only when I would send him on letters.

1109
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I send him on these postcards. I didn't save them. Unfortunately,

1110
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:05.559
<v Speaker 2>the longer letters I sent on my computer, I have them.

1111
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 2>So if you're ever wondering why there would be a question,

1112
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:12.400
<v Speaker 2>know that Rashi himself raises it because Rashi understood that

1113
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:13.599
<v Speaker 2>people would be confused.

1114
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Like me.

1115
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Of course, my problem is I should have looked it

1116
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:17.639
<v Speaker 2>up and found where the verses are and then looked

1117
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 2>in Rashi, you don't have any excuses if he asked

1118
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.159
<v Speaker 2>the question and the rebbie says to you, well, you know,

1119
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Rashi asked that. You know, if he says, the Ramban

1120
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:28.239
<v Speaker 2>asks it Pine Israel, but if he says Rashi asked,

1121
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.920
<v Speaker 2>it's a little embarrassing. Well so I'm telling you it's

1122
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.840
<v Speaker 2>a little embarrassing. But Rashi was attentive to this, that

1123
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:37.440
<v Speaker 2>people would look at it and wonder why in one

1124
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:41.679
<v Speaker 2>place it's it's masculine and other place is feminine. And

1125
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Rashi tells us, look at the look at the Trump.

1126
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.199
<v Speaker 2>The trump tells you, and that's why Trump is important. Okay,

1127
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:51.840
<v Speaker 2>we have gone far enough. We went a little longer

1128
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:54.119
<v Speaker 2>than usual, We started a little longer. Let me take

1129
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:57.159
<v Speaker 2>some of the questions. We finished off. Oh, we finished

1130
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:59.519
<v Speaker 2>off the simon. So we'll start next week the last

1131
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:03.320
<v Speaker 2>of them. The short letters in this section from Rabbey Mazous.

1132
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:08.480
<v Speaker 2>We'll hear from Rabbi Rosabi next week. And also, uh Robbe,

1133
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:10.079
<v Speaker 2>it's a Kirshkovitz. I don't know if any of you

1134
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:14.360
<v Speaker 2>know who that is. I'll explain a Kousenberger Hasted and

1135
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Rabba Josef Lieberman and back to Rashmolashkenazi and then obabach Rebi,

1136
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:20.480
<v Speaker 2>which I don't think we'll get to next week. So

1137
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:24.199
<v Speaker 2>some of the let's get to some of the questions quickly.

1138
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I know it's late. Someone's texting privately that Cole Ronson

1139
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:33.840
<v Speaker 2>graduated from Yale, had a call him in the Yale Daily,

1140
01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:38.000
<v Speaker 2>the Oxford Uh. He clearly is very, very intelligent, and

1141
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I know we'll hear more and more about him in

1142
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:46.320
<v Speaker 2>the future. And Barak says, instead of saying alakas kamaa kama,

1143
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.760
<v Speaker 2>say a fortiori, then will sound perfectly normal. I learned

1144
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.000
<v Speaker 2>that word of fortyori when I was in high school,

1145
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:56.159
<v Speaker 2>using the Sansino Talmud and Kava Homer. They would translate

1146
01:04:56.239 --> 01:05:02.320
<v Speaker 2>it as a fortiori. Abby texts that did. The Rev

1147
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:04.320
<v Speaker 2>used to speak of Abraham, Moses, and Jacob. If you

1148
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:07.800
<v Speaker 2>look at Ramosha Feinstein stationary, it says Moses he Ramosha

1149
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:10.480
<v Speaker 2>wasn't so from if you look today, no one would

1150
01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:12.440
<v Speaker 2>dream of doing that. I think Ramosha Sturnbach doesn't even

1151
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:16.119
<v Speaker 2>see Mosha. It's m o I Meisha. But Ramosha Feinstein

1152
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:19.480
<v Speaker 2>lived before from Kite because he would sign his Moses.

1153
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 2>If it's an on the English side, it's English. So

1154
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:24.920
<v Speaker 2>he wrote Moses. On the Hebrew he wrote Mosha. But uh,

1155
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.719
<v Speaker 2>I remember Salavachik was Joseph P. Seliveachik, and that's that's

1156
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.840
<v Speaker 2>the way they did it. Barra says Dolphin is competing

1157
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:35.360
<v Speaker 2>with Jacob Newsder Yes and this year alone he's put

1158
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:37.559
<v Speaker 2>out three or four books in two I mean twenty

1159
01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:40.079
<v Speaker 2>twenty one. We just started twenty twenty one.

1160
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1161
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.800
<v Speaker 2>And Aza Reel Shiner says Dolphin contacts someone on something

1162
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:46.559
<v Speaker 2>mart to see if they can arrange the book band

1163
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:53.119
<v Speaker 2>so that would sell better. Uh uh. And Barry says

1164
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:55.440
<v Speaker 2>the story about Rivarol Footner, he heard it's a famous

1165
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:58.400
<v Speaker 2>story because apparently Rev. Garrel came back to Yu and

1166
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:02.400
<v Speaker 2>told everyone about the story. And Mel says a slightly

1167
01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:06.719
<v Speaker 2>different story. David says, he Huda and Tamar seem to

1168
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.119
<v Speaker 2>have engaged in a form of ebo, and that's what

1169
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:12.440
<v Speaker 2>he's referring to in in the parish of revav beIN

1170
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:16.719
<v Speaker 2>a rumbam. Mel says the corenty y Keefe Rogrill turned

1171
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:19.000
<v Speaker 2>around to leave the room and was rebuked by Ravutner.

1172
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Could be you know these stories, there's a kernel of truth,

1173
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:24.599
<v Speaker 2>but they get changed and everything I just told you

1174
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the version I heard, it could be that. And and

1175
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Israel says that Raybelski was strongly a post of the

1176
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Koacho switch. They bought to Schachter, and Schachtra said that

1177
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.639
<v Speaker 2>the rove would never approve. And then if you listen

1178
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:37.760
<v Speaker 2>to Robie Ilbowitz gave a seer on it in which

1179
01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:41.960
<v Speaker 2>he explained the problems. But Rev Huda Braha, he's a

1180
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.760
<v Speaker 2>he's I mean, we're not talking first the greatest of

1181
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.519
<v Speaker 2>the grade in rigistral, but he's a very fine post

1182
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:51.679
<v Speaker 2>agg and Tomain Hochem or Pinzack Zabiri, these are all

1183
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:54.119
<v Speaker 2>students of a vaud jo say. And they came out

1184
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:58.679
<v Speaker 2>that it's permissible because it's not groma and it's never

1185
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it can't take off the guy. It's no one's gonna

1186
01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:06.159
<v Speaker 2>buy it when you can't. But we have the shop bulb,

1187
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:10.159
<v Speaker 2>so that's okay. Yes, And Jay Yellen tells us he's

1188
01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:12.880
<v Speaker 2>used it for many years, the shop bulb, and uh, yeah,

1189
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you my wife has it. Two of them, you know,

1190
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:18.880
<v Speaker 2>a double one, and it's on. It's the regular bulb.

1191
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:21.360
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't take it out. I however, when I go on,

1192
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I have one. When I go to Florida, for instance,

1193
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:24.559
<v Speaker 2>in two weeks, I bring it with me. I just

1194
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:26.960
<v Speaker 2>have to not forget to leave it in the hotel room.

1195
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:29.960
<v Speaker 2>But I take it everywhere I go. It doesn't burn out.

1196
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:32.920
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't burn out. It's it's led, and they say

1197
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.440
<v Speaker 2>it has ten thousand hours, so it's gonna be a

1198
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:37.199
<v Speaker 2>long long time. And if it burns out, yeah, you

1199
01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:38.960
<v Speaker 2>buy a new one. It's not cheap. It's like twenty

1200
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:40.519
<v Speaker 2>five dollars. You can get an Amazon, or you can

1201
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:42.440
<v Speaker 2>get it in Lakewood, and you can get it in

1202
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.199
<v Speaker 2>all all the storm stores. Yeah, the Kosher lamp, that's

1203
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:46.559
<v Speaker 2>the big and bulk here, and you don't get good

1204
01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:48.639
<v Speaker 2>light in the Coasher lamp. I think the Kasher lamp's

1205
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:51.519
<v Speaker 2>just a regular bulb. This is led. It gets. It's

1206
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:53.199
<v Speaker 2>very nice. So if you don't know what it is

1207
01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:56.519
<v Speaker 2>and you want to have like a night light or

1208
01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:59.719
<v Speaker 2>a guest room light or something, it's very good. David

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<v Speaker 2>says the work is not an a biography, but a

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<v Speaker 2>biographical work on Goran by Avi Rath. David. By the way, David,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be made famous again by me in

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<v Speaker 2>my next quote. Not the post's coming out now, the

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<v Speaker 2>next one, because I'm going to return to the Reseevin

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<v Speaker 2>issue that you did all that work for me, So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get back to that. But I have to differ

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<v Speaker 2>with you here. I said it's an orbiography. You said

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<v Speaker 2>it's a biographic work. It's actually be in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Rabbi Gorin gave some twenty hours of talks on a

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<v Speaker 2>tape recorder recording his life. Avi Rath took those tapes

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<v Speaker 2>and turned it into a work. So I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a biography. He's writing first person, but it's it

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<v Speaker 2>was he Avi Rath took the material. It's a ricat

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<v Speaker 2>Avi rat and it says on the cover, but as autobiographia.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a Rabbi Gorin and it's first person telling

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<v Speaker 2>his life story, which is then written down. iPad says,

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<v Speaker 2>can't you just tape down the switch that is triggered

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<v Speaker 2>when the frige door is open? That but let's say

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<v Speaker 2>you want the light during the week. So this new

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<v Speaker 2>thing is just go back and forth back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not a problem. Growing up, we always we

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<v Speaker 2>never had a light, so I never had a light.

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<v Speaker 2>We unscrewed it. But my wife likes the lights, so

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I could put a reminder on my Google

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<v Speaker 2>calendar to remind me. But I always remember every Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm cleaning out, and that way you go back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth if you want. Mel says that mono refrigerator

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<v Speaker 2>says a pre program shoppist mode that knows when shapas

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<v Speaker 2>and jumped up starts and automatically disables the light. H Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've had my refrigerator twenty years and it's

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<v Speaker 2>falling apart and the automatic water fountain doesn't work anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got to get her. When I have some money,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna buy you a new refrigerator. And I guess

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<v Speaker 2>i'll I should find one of those that'll be helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know about that. Mel. Thank you very much,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you very Mike Kelvin. He has the link

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<v Speaker 2>there for Rabbi Zivatowsky's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>She or.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes and thank you yell Echo for that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Ge very nice. And David has posted the picture of

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<v Speaker 2>a tis with a Partridge. I think that's from ats

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<v Speaker 2>was from Algeria, I believe, and now says he was

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<v Speaker 2>with us on Lavorna. We had one lunch in a show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes we did, and there was. It's an active community

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01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.520
<v Speaker 2>with Mignonium and Shurim. There is is about after Rome.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only active community because Florence is nothing really

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<v Speaker 2>just and to Venice is nothing. The only place with

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<v Speaker 2>Balabatim is the Lavorno. And then these are people who've

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<v Speaker 2>been there, who came back after the war. And indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>someone privately texts me that the critics of Nefasharov note

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<v Speaker 2>that the greatness of a Salvacik took vort Loch and

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<v Speaker 2>transformed them to broad philosophical insights, where Schachter took the

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<v Speaker 2>You went the other direction, Vortach. I'm thinking, look, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna get Larry Kaplan's understanding of the Rov and

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<v Speaker 2>halachak Man. You're not gonna get any of that from Nefasharov.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna get the philosophy of the Rev. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking how he deals with Herman Cohen and all

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<v Speaker 2>the important stuff which you do get from Nefasharov is

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<v Speaker 2>Therov in how he relates to different holahk matters, and

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<v Speaker 2>you get a sense of his table talk, and table

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<v Speaker 2>talk is important, and you get a sense of his

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<v Speaker 2>she totd in many areas. Yes, sah dvarin correct. But

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<v Speaker 2>and so Gordis's point was that became a devarote in

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<v Speaker 2>wash razal Ah so so'sana such a quest Professor Mosha Greenberg,

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<v Speaker 2>and he always said the singular as debar. So then

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<v Speaker 2>I had I known that, I wouldn't have needed to

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01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:52.159
<v Speaker 2>write to Rabbi Mazous and Yellen Yakov tells us that

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<v Speaker 2>Danny Gordis was a member of his show. He's up.

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<v Speaker 2>He comes from a house instantly which is very liberal.

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<v Speaker 2>His father was, as I recall, on the Rabbinic board

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<v Speaker 2>of Americans for Peace. Now my senses I've only spoken

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<v Speaker 2>to him once or twice, is that he's like many

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<v Speaker 2>of these other people who went to Israel and were

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<v Speaker 2>mugged by reality and became conservative while we're there. Monocham

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<v Speaker 2>Calendar's a number. He's another example of this. They went

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<v Speaker 2>there peace next and left this. But at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day the Palestinian showed, and it took a

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<v Speaker 2>long time for the left to realize this. It's why

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<v Speaker 2>there's no Labor Party anymore. The Labor Party ran Israel

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01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:28.760
<v Speaker 2>and they can't even they might not even the next

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<v Speaker 2>auction even get in. It's that there's no one to

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<v Speaker 2>make peace with. And he's Gordas Dandy Gordis is very

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<v Speaker 2>insightful and recommended. Also, Mel says it's a recent tick

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<v Speaker 2>for podcast with Gil and Tevy Troy, who grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in conservat Judaism, about the failure. I read the I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't listen to it, but I saw the description about it.

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<v Speaker 2>David says he doesn't think Gordoys can be correct and

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<v Speaker 2>lady or shaw me, that spells the word I've debrote

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<v Speaker 2>with a jud That would be true that but I

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<v Speaker 2>think Gordas might say that that could be. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>have actual manuscripts from the days of Razal, so this

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<v Speaker 2>is maybe the way they they put in the yud

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<v Speaker 2>later on the twelfth century, thirteen fourteenth whatever, maybe the printer.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd have to look at the manuscripts they rashalm me,

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<v Speaker 2>do they all have the yud? And then you could say,

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<v Speaker 2>who says that that's right? That could be later copyists

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<v Speaker 2>who edit so that that was Gordis's Kriddish. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if anyone else agreed with him. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to hear what Rabbi Mazou said about that riders because

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<v Speaker 2>it struck me as as interesting. And iPad points out

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<v Speaker 2>the choice is for people like Gordois or Troy, do

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<v Speaker 2>you want a community of ritual commitment versus community of

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<v Speaker 2>intellectual freedom? I and the famous thing Halivni said, the

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<v Speaker 2>people I pray with I can't talk to, and the

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<v Speaker 2>ones I talked to I can't pray with. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see it that way. I think it's it's all about

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<v Speaker 2>the ritual, because either there's no the other communities are

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<v Speaker 2>not serious also intellectually, it's just it's just a lifestyle

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<v Speaker 2>of people. If you want to be a real conservative Jew,

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<v Speaker 2>which means like you do have in places you have

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<v Speaker 2>the Upper West Side, but it means that you're show

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01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:13.960
<v Speaker 2>mare Shabis and Kostras, and you you end up having

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01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.359
<v Speaker 2>to go to an Orthodox synagogue because if your kids,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're show more Shappists, you're in a saying in

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<v Speaker 2>Salomon Chechter, literally, none of your kids' friends will be

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01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:24.840
<v Speaker 2>shomer Shabis. They're bar Mitsta's will be on Shabist, they'll

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01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:27.439
<v Speaker 2>have parties or they're deserving trait, and they won't think

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<v Speaker 2>anything of it. So if you are a serious conservative

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<v Speaker 2>Jew who believes in these things, you end up having

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<v Speaker 2>to compromise on the rites and things like that, because

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<v Speaker 2>there are no conservative synagogues that have strong committed lay

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<v Speaker 2>people other than like in the Upper West Side. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple others, and that's so. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's versus a community of intellectual freedom. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>simply you want to be with sheer shabist people. David says,

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<v Speaker 2>the Marilta writes the word Dibert with the ut. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>you said, David could be correct. Unfortunately, I can't point

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<v Speaker 2>this out to Robert Gordis, but the example he gave

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<v Speaker 2>from the Malta, I showed you where it says no

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<v Speaker 2>hold on, David, does I showed you that Makoto that's

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<v Speaker 2>twelve one. That's the one I showed you where no

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<v Speaker 2>this is eleven, sorry, Pussia eleven. So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to know without looking at manuscripts. Daniels Stollmann

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<v Speaker 2>says that I thought the birds we eat are related

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<v Speaker 2>to commercial reasons. Not caustirous. No, that's not Look if

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<v Speaker 2>no one'd like to taste, we wouldn't. But the ou

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<v Speaker 2>will not give ashkaka to all the ones over in

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<v Speaker 2>the picture, and they won't give it to pheasant, not

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<v Speaker 2>because people won't eat it, but because they say they're

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<v Speaker 2>not kosher. We can't determine their kosher. If their koshert

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<v Speaker 2>someone will give ashkoka to the birds are easy. Generally,

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<v Speaker 2>all these birds, they would eat them. In Italy, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not dealing with a giraffe or something like that where

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to catch. I don't know what by born

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<v Speaker 2>means enough, Telly, if you know, you tell me. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>you think Barvorn is for Gern? What is fair Gern?

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<v Speaker 2>Type that in Yes, and Gordon's borbiography is available in English.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh okay, thank you Well. Highland Park has a strong

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<v Speaker 2>conservative Synegou where a priority we have in Jersey. Also

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<v Speaker 2>near me in West cald where where you have conservative

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<v Speaker 2>you were Caldwell, who are Schomer Shabbists? But most conservation

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01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:31.079
<v Speaker 2>shows you go to, I've been to some. You could

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<v Speaker 2>have a thousand families and other than the rabbi and

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<v Speaker 2>the cantor. Literally, no one is showm Shabas and truth

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<v Speaker 2>be told. I don't want to say this out out

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<v Speaker 2>so loud, but even the rabbi in the cantor and

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<v Speaker 2>not shom Shabas because they drive to Shoal. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you know this. Many conservative rabbis drive to

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<v Speaker 2>Shoal and candors drive to show also. Uh So that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the situation at the conservative movement. David says, no

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<v Speaker 2>one needs Draft because it doesn't taste good. I would

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<v Speaker 2>think it's hard to find it. Where you gonna get giraffic?

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<v Speaker 2>Gonn get it from Africa? Bri it you think the

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<v Speaker 2>expense you'd have to buy a baby giraffe and grow

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<v Speaker 2>it to give the benefit of the doubt does figuring? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>very good everyone, Thank you. I enjoyed it. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for your comments and questions. Again, look forward to seeing

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<v Speaker 2>you all next week. And Rabbi Kellman take it away.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe Aristovsky also have to go look on usay.

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<v Speaker 4>It has a talk on Draft that it gave live

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<v Speaker 4>in Toronto on a Saturday the night probably ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because people are under a misconception that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>you don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Know where you can't get them. It's illegal. We're going

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<v Speaker 4>to get a draft first, Well, have you ever seen

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01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:33.840
<v Speaker 4>a draft? If you come when we usually wear a

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<v Speaker 4>tourist Africa with Robert slithkin a giraffe with one kick

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<v Speaker 4>and kill a lion. The strength of a giraffe is

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01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:44.079
<v Speaker 4>unbelievable and they are so tall, and so you can't

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<v Speaker 4>get a draft. And it's illegal, but it's kosher anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>You can slaughter it anywhere on the neck and it's

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01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:52.359
<v Speaker 4>got a big neck and it's fine. But Arizcotski has

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<v Speaker 4>a whole thing. I'll try to It should be on

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<v Speaker 4>our website.

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