WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:01.960 Keep questions what is the observer? 2 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:03.720 What is the observer? 3 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:07.040 Well, that's the thing. I mean, one of the old 4 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:10.279 jokes is you know who's the observer? Is it your father? 5 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.640 Was his father the observer? Is it passed down to it? 6 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:17.839 It's a weird way in which you're talking technically, technically, technically, 7 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:19.600 and then you say this thing, and it's like then 8 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:23.920 the observer makes an observation and a measurement. Thinking how 9 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:24.800 did a human get. 10 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:27.839 Into that story. 11 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:37.159 I am very excited because you know, we were talking. 12 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:42.000 We've been good friends for a long time, and this 13 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:48.240 guy who has this YouTube channel, uh said, Eric Weinstein 14 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:55.119 is groundbreaking with his theory of everything. And I know 15 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:58.560 you've been working on this quietly, we've talked about it, 16 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.200 but this is kind of your first the first time 17 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:07.400 you've been public publicly acknowledged. And before we get into anything, 18 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.760 I will say that you're the physics community. I don't 19 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.239 know about the math community, but the physics community is 20 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:17.760 high school politics. I mean the amount of sort of 21 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:21.359 like well, I mean, his theories you know, got holes 22 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:23.079 in it. I mean I wouldn't really take it seriously. 23 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:25.359 There's there's just so much back and forth and there's 24 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:27.000 so much disagreement. 25 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.400 There is there isn't no no, okay, no. 26 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:36.040 I mean, it's in fact very interesting that very often 27 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:37.439 what you get is you get a small number of 28 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:43.519 views that get amplified, right, And so you know, it's 29 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.120 a little bit the same thing with like what journalists do, 30 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:50.079 is that a journalist will frame a story and then 31 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:55.040 you'll watch the entire world see that thing through that frame, right. 32 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.000 Or you know, if I if I were to tell you, 33 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:03.079 I don't know, like a tell in somebody's speech, and 34 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:07.319 I said, you know, every time he says uh twice, 35 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:10.319 he's thinking about that guy he killed in the parking lot, 36 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:14.599 and then suddenly the guy says uh uh and everybody 37 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.319 has you know, he's doing it again. People are really 38 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:20.319 bored and they're not actually dialed in and plugged in. 39 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.599 So one of the things that I find fascinating is 40 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:27.639 that the physics community has to figure out why it's 41 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:35.039 not listening to anything other than in deepest research, quantum 42 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:39.599 gravity research, and in particular one theory of quantum gravity 43 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:42.319 above all, which has had forty years to ship a 44 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.879 product and cannot and that's something called m theory or 45 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:50.719 string theory, and The big sin in physics is that 46 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:56.280 you've got a theory that has no rightful claim on 47 00:02:56.479 --> 00:03:01.599 being the only game in town, protected by this massive, 48 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:09.520 sort of inexplicable support from I don't know, traditional media 49 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:17.520 and from universities that write these press releases that any 50 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:21.439 one of us would be embarrassed if our research, you know, 51 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:24.639 were described that way. So you find somebody just done 52 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:27.319 research and string theory and you bring up the press 53 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:32.560 release that's lot you know, lauding it, and that person says, hey, 54 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:34.800 it's the university. I can't stop them. They have to 55 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.159 hype it. So there's a very weird situation in which 56 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:40.759 that I don't even think we're having a physics conversation. 57 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:45.400 I think that physics at its deepest level is almost dead. 58 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:52.120 Really yeah, but so so string theory has nothing to. 59 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.080 Show for itself. I wouldn't say that at all. 60 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:57.680 Okay, but but you're saying that they were they were 61 00:03:57.680 --> 00:03:58.520 the ball hogs. 62 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say that. 63 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:05.199 And anybody who had an alternative theory was kind of 64 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:07.560 like side eyed and pushed out of the game. 65 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:12.159 Let's imagine that you had one team in the NBA, Okay, 66 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:16.319 that was different and it was called the referees, and 67 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:21.680 the referees dressed in vertical black and white stripes and 68 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.240 carried whistles around their necks, and they were the only 69 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:29.759 people allowed to adjudicate their own games. Yeah, that's sort 70 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:33.240 of the situation with string theories is that the appearance 71 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:35.560 of a new team, a new kind of doing physics 72 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:39.439 called the referees, and if you play them, you have 73 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.240 to deal with their refereeing of your game against. 74 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.759 Them, because they will attack you. 75 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:51.519 What they they got control of sort of refereeing who's 76 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:52.519 up and who's down. 77 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:54.040 But how do they do that? 78 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.040 So, so Mitya Kaku or any of these string theorists, 79 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.720 they get the bulk of the grants. 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We're having a discussion with them at 126 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.439 the center. So your first point is that this guy, 127 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:31.639 Kurt John Mungle released a three hour I don't know 128 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.959 what you call it, there's no precedent for it, documentary 129 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.720 on my theory. And immediately we're talking about, well, what 130 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.040 does the community say about it? The community is back 131 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:44.040 and forth. No, it really isn't more or less the 132 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:47.519 community has ignored it for forty years, and we're talking 133 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:49.199 about it from the point of view, why is that? 134 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.319 And it's a human thing. So instead of talking about 135 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:55.279 the cool stuff that we should be talking about, which 136 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:59.360 is what does the theory say that that's insane and 137 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:00.879 why do you think it's true? And what do you 138 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:05.240 think the support for it is, we're having a discussion 139 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.839 about the sociology of peer review and refereeing and how 140 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:13.800 fields get captured by dominant groups who can't produce. And 141 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.879 so I'm just saying that whatever it is that they do, 142 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:21.480 they've made everything about them. So I'm happy to come 143 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:25.000 back to that because I think it's super interesting. But 144 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:29.079 if you don't mind, did you see this video? What 145 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:30.120 do you what do you make of it? 146 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:34.279 I wanted to let you I don't make anything of 147 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.960 it because I don't know enough. I guess what I 148 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.960 would ask, is this about that video? What was it 149 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.639 that he saw in that video that caused him to 150 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:44.679 make that video? What was it about? Because I know 151 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:49.120 you had met him, but what was the Because you've 152 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.919 explained your theory of everything to me in Layman's terms 153 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:56.159 over dinner a couple of times, but never without alcohol 154 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:59.799 never without alcoholics, good red and white wines, and might 155 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.159 I had some excellent food, whether it's be a Ventato 156 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:08.919 or scopa. But can you can you tell me? Did 157 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:12.480 he tell you what that Eureka moment was for him? 158 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:14.679 Where he went this is I haven't heard this before. 159 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:19.799 Oh this was crazy. He rings me up or sends 160 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:22.840 me what's that message something, and he says, hey, if 161 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:24.480 you have a little bit of time, there's something I 162 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.799 really want to show you. So we get on a 163 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:34.559 zoom call and he takes control of my screen and 164 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:38.039 then he starts showing me his understanding of my theory. 165 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.759 And it's been very strange because for forty years, more 166 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:45.440 or less I've been inside my own head, and I 167 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.120 have the opportunity to sort of break out little bits 168 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:50.720 of the theory, but more or less nobody has an 169 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.919 attention span. Imagine you're trying to tell somebody about the 170 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.759 ring cycle, right, and they're. 171 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.720 Pretty good at it. You do teach me some things, nobody. 172 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:02.440 Just so you guys know, Eric will come to dinner 173 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:04.720 and I'll have like somebody who's excited to meet him, 174 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:06.480 and then he'll just come to dinner. 175 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:08.759 And if he walks through that door with his head 176 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:12.039 hung low. We're gonna have to there's gonna be a 177 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.759 there's gonna be about a half hour where we've got 178 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.879 to talk to Eric about what kind of problem he's 179 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:19.000 dealing with in his head. 180 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:20.840 And it's usually something. 181 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.799 Like monumental, like the end of the world is coming 182 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:26.559 and he's got to figure out a way to help. 183 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:29.120 Us out of the Usually I just can't find parking, 184 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:32.480 so just keep going. 185 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:33.000 I'm sorry. 186 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.720 I just had to breaface that because this is the 187 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:38.000 first time I've seen you not that way. This is 188 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.799 really a big deal, because you know, you and me 189 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:42.840 and Joe Rogan around a thread and you were like, 190 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.399 you know, hey, this is kind of for the first time, 191 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:46.240 I was really happy. 192 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.000 This is the thing, like, what the hell's what the 193 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.279 hell's wrong with everybody? It's funny. Imagine working on one 194 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:58.320 thing for four decades and not being able to get 195 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:04.080 people to sort of grasp what it is that you're proposing. 196 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:08.320 It's you know, I don't think there's a parallel in 197 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.639 most lives, and I believe it's totally consequential. I think 198 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:15.080 when Elon Musk talks about going to Mars, he doesn't 199 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.360 really want to go to Mars. Nobody's smart wants to 200 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.759 go to the Moon or Mars as a humanity diversifying thing. 201 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.080 I think he thinks that that's motivating to engineers. What 202 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:25.919 he really wants to do is to go interstellar. And 203 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.840 that's why he says ad Astra. And it's confusing because 204 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.879 no chemical rocket company is going to get humans interstellar. 205 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:33.840 What is the difference? 206 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.840 So if the nearest star is four light years away 207 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:44.840 and you go the fastest humans have ever gone, I 208 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:48.519 think it takes you one hundred thousand years to get there, 209 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.440 and recorded history is pretty brief, so you know, no 210 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:56.080 chance you're going to do it on a generationship. And 211 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:57.840 then you find out there's no there's no nothing to 212 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.960 do with the first star. Yeah, everything is very far away, 213 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:04.960 and you know, my take on this is that this 214 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:11.480 is hugely consequential. We don't recognize that everything is decided 215 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:14.720 ultimately by the final layer, which is some version of 216 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:19.159 math or physics. So my feeling, and this is the 217 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:21.600 reason that there's a heaviness about me. It's not that 218 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.320 I enjoy talking about depressing stuff. As you know, we 219 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.320 like talking about wine and music and dance and art, 220 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:33.320 and all sorts of things. If we don't get out 221 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.279 of here and diversify onto many planets, I don't see 222 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.000 long term survival of our species. And that means everything 223 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:44.200 you love about this place, from Mangoes to Mozart, is 224 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:46.440 under the control of a tiny number of human beings 225 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:52.840 who should not have nuclear and biological weapons. So I 226 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:58.279 was just over the moon that somebody, finally, you know, 227 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.000 put in this kind of work. It's not like I 228 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:04.000 agree with everything that he said, but it's clear that 229 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:06.159 he understands a great deal of what it is that 230 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.440 I'm saying more than anyone else's. 231 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.559 That's amazing. And he's a physicist or is he he's 232 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:12.679 a layman physicist. 233 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:16.120 I think he's clearly got some technical background. Yeah, what's 234 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:21.279 his name, Kurt Jaimungle And in his channel is yeah, 235 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.840 theories of everything. And the genesis of this is that 236 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.159 he and I wound up at this conference called ARC 237 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:30.639 that Jordan Peterson I think asked me to come to 238 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:35.879 and I wasn't speaking, so I was spending time just 239 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:39.360 talking to people, and Kurt was there and we were 240 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.279 sitting in the lobby and he says, what's going on? Man, 241 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.519 I never really understood your theory, And I said, well, 242 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:51.080 you know, in part we've stopped asking the really big 243 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:55.240 questions in physics. Everything has become a question about do 244 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:58.159 you have a renormalizable theory of gravity, which is not 245 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:02.120 the main issue in physics at all. And I said, 246 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:04.840 you know, the old questions are why are there three 247 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:08.480 generations of particles? Why is there three copies of matter? 248 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:12.639 You know, like think about it as plastic, wood and metal. 249 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:20.080 Every particle comes in three varieties of lego if you will. 250 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.559 Why is nature left right asymmetric because the weak force 251 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:28.120 you knows it's left from its right, when the other 252 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:32.039 forces don't. Why are there sixteen particles in a generation? 253 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:33.960 Why do they have the properties they do? These are 254 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.919 the old problems that before nineteen eighty four everybody viewed 255 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:42.720 as the problems in physics, And then, mysteriously in the 256 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:48.360 mid nineteen eighties on one individual completely reoriented the field 257 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:55.399 and ed written, yeah, and everybody who came up afterwards 258 00:14:55.399 --> 00:15:02.159 it's sort of unaware that, like physics changed care it's 259 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:06.159 just a discreete you remember when like in Bewitched, Darren 260 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:10.320 gets replaced by become like Dick York, and Dick's sergeant. 261 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:12.080 There are two different actors who were playing and there's 262 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:16.879 no comment that something changed this, right I remember that, yes, right, 263 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:21.879 it's very disturbing. Yes, yes, to see here. 264 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:25.799 I think I think the original guy got sick. 265 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.639 Maybe, but just to not comment on it. So the 266 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.360 whole field changed character and became incapable. 267 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:34.519 And what a great analogy. 268 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:38.000 And so what I I don't know where that came from. 269 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.919 But string theory never spoke to you? Did? Did? Did? Did? 270 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.720 Did you ever learn about string theory? Do you want 271 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:47.080 to do you have a rudimentary or a pretty intermediate 272 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.440 understanding of strength theory or when. 273 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:54.679 It came out? It's a funny, funny, bizarre story, which 274 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.440 is that I changed my major in college from physics 275 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:03.960 to math to avoid this thing, and I did not know. 276 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:07.879 So the problem is is that I clearly do this 277 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:12.360 change in my major between my freshmen and I think 278 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:18.960 in my sophomore year, but it's as a response to 279 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.080 something that hadn't happened yet. So I have a time 280 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:27.039 inconsistency problem in my wordin story because the great breakthrough 281 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.639 and string theory happens in nineteen eighty four, called the 282 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:36.639 Green Schwartz anomaly, cancelation, and ed Witten gets very involved 283 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:39.360 in this. Immediately afterwards, it gives a talk at Pen, 284 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:44.919 and that talk convinces me that the physics community is 285 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:51.000 about to collapse, like leaving Afghanistan to the Afghan Army 286 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:54.320 and the Taliban is just instantly overruns. 287 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.320 Everything, and in the sense that this is the new 288 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:58.960 blood and everything you've learned up till there is a 289 00:16:59.000 --> 00:16:59.879 lie or not true. 290 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.960 Just he gave one lecture at Penn that was so 291 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:07.119 completely bewildering and brilliant and so confident, where he just 292 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.519 told us everything that you've ever worried about here it 293 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:11.519 is in string theory. It's in this line, it's in 294 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:13.759 this term, et cetera, et cetera. 295 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:16.039 You once took a piece of paper at dinner and 296 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:20.680 wrote an equation down, and that was ed Witten's explanation. 297 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:20.759 Of the universe. 298 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.839 That may have been the string action. But the problem 299 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.160 was that this happens later than I changed my major. 300 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:33.359 And so one day I'm reading a book by a 301 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.160 guy named Peter White called not Even Wrong. I'm on 302 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:39.279 the toilet, and I've never really told the story about 303 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.400 changing my major in response to ed Witten, because it's 304 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.400 time inconsistent sort of reveals that I'm not telling the truth. 305 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:51.599 And I see in the book it says Witten's first 306 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:54.799 lecture in string theory actually was before the Green Schwartz 307 00:17:55.200 --> 00:18:01.440 cancelation and was delivered at a Grand Unification workshop. I said, Oh, 308 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:07.839 my God, tell me that this didn't happen in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 309 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:10.160 at the University of Pennsylvania, at a conference I was 310 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.480 organized by Paul Steinhardt. And I thought, oh my god. 311 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:19.319 I accidentally, as a seventeen year old kid, was in 312 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.039 the audience of Ed Winton's first string theory lecture before 313 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:27.279 the flood, just totally by accident, and I see this thing. 314 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:32.960 I was able to follow the fact that he paralyzed 315 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:41.920 the entire auditorium one individual made everyone, all physicists probably 316 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.519 everyone was terrified of this human being. Nobody had seen 317 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.039 something give a lecture like this. This was not human 318 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.839 jeezuz right. And so you've got the six foot four. 319 00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:01.440 Awkwards, well, right, just a brilliant guy, but he talks. 320 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:04.319 About I appreciate your attempts to understand the theory of 321 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:07.480 the universe, but I find you're intell like he's hunting. 322 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.640 He's the kind of guy who laughs behind his fingers. 323 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:11.839 He's like and he grow man. 324 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:19.079 It's like, well, look, I don't want to make fun 325 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:23.880 of the affectations because he's but he's been very aggressive. 326 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:26.440 And the thing that he's really aggressive about that I 327 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.119 can't stand and won't stand for is that he says 328 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.279 that there are no other theories. He says that, oh 329 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:36.880 absolutely wow, Like you can check out a podcast called 330 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:38.000 the Universe Speaks in. 331 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.519 He is Einstein. That's my little joke to the layment, 332 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.799 because Einstein was very cocky. But keep going. What sound was? 333 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:49.160 He was kind of arrogant. I said, if flight doesn't bend, 334 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:51.279 God's wrong, something like that. 335 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:55.240 I remember, Sorry, I don't have alcohol. 336 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:58.319 I can't believe you're not writing the stuff I'm saying down. Yeah, yeah, 337 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:00.000 I dig. 338 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:04.920 A So yeah. Witten was on this podcast called the 339 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.880 Universe Speaks in Numbers, and he's asked, well, were you 340 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.960 ever tempted to buy other approaches? He says, I don't 341 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:12.759 even know what you mean by other approaches. So the 342 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:15.640 host is sort of flummixed and throws some things out. 343 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:18.039 He says, those aren't other approaches, those are only words. 344 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.960 There's just string theory. Everything else is just words, just 345 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.680 like thinking, maybe you got sick the first day they 346 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:29.920 taughtmedi remedial scientific ethics. You can't do that. As a 347 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:34.440 leader of a field, you're not allowed to declare victory like. 348 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:37.160 That, especially when there's nothing to show for it. 349 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:41.119 Well, right, again, there's mathematics to show for it. But 350 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:46.759 again here we are talking about strings, and it'll keep happening, right, 351 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.720 And whether it's you or me, it doesn't matter. It 352 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:52.640 was woven into the story. So another in order to 353 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.799 get back to actual physics, we have to unweave the 354 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:56.680 story of Edwin. 355 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:01.359 And this is what Paul was saying about your theory 356 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:03.000 of everything, Mungle. 357 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.319 I'm sorry, yeah, well, I think what he said at 358 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:18.720 the end was well, I mean, he said something that 359 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:20.799 would be embarrassing for me to say, but I could 360 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:22.680 play it for you to give you an idea of 361 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:29.920 what is assessment. Let me just say that this is 362 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:34.720 more or less Kurt's assessment after having put in two 363 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:37.799 hundred and fifty hours into a three hour documentary. 364 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:39.200 And by the way, just so you guys know, we're 365 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:43.000 going to break down in Layman's terms, Eric Weinstein's theory 366 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:46.720 of everything. But we're just this is just the appetizers. Okay, 367 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:49.960 just the appetizers before the main course. Roll tape. Let's 368 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:50.480 watch this. 369 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:54.039 Thank you to Eric Weinstein. It's an avant garde and 370 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:58.519 creative theory. Kurt here several months later. This has been 371 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.720 so long in the making. G you have no idea anyhow. 372 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:03.920 I wanted to say that. I mean what I just said. 373 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.279 I may have said this before in the Iceberg, and 374 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.079 if I haven't, I should have, because it bears repeating. 375 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.920 I haven't seen a theory like this come from any 376 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:16.079 single individual ever, not one that's this fleshed out or 377 00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:20.519 has this amount of unexampled connections within itself, as well 378 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:23.599 as to what's known as the theoretical physics backbone that 379 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:26.039 we talked about earlier. And by the way, this is 380 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.519 what I do for a living. I interview people on 381 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:32.200 what theory they have of reality, whether it's of consciousness 382 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:34.880 or it's physics based or logic based or what have you. 383 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:37.720 So again, thank you to Eric, and thank you to 384 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:38.920 you for watching this. 385 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:40.319 I hope you enjoyed it. 386 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:46.000 Wow. And he's talked to a lot of physicists. 387 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:48.960 In particular a lot of strength theories too. Yeah, and 388 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:52.119 so you know, in part, I'm just in this very 389 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:55.640 funny position where I now decide that I'm an entertainer, 390 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.000 because here's a joe. What's the difference between a physic 391 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.880 assistant an entertainer. An entertainer has legal rights? 392 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:07.759 Well? 393 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.640 You you, I know, and I know you, and I 394 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:12.000 love you and I one of the things we always 395 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:15.519 talk about is you do live. It's a lonely existence 396 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.720 because you live in your own head and you're dealing 397 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.119 with ideas and things that very few people can really 398 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:23.759 appreciate or understand, including the creativity as a comic. You know, 399 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:27.680 I'm about to release my next special, thank you and 400 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.640 and but but at least I'm always getting affirmation. I'm 401 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.720