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<v Speaker 1>It's night with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston Radio

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the hearings in Washington, d C. Today. There

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<v Speaker 1>was there were some fireworks. I don't think much progress

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<v Speaker 1>was made. I don't think any minds were changed, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was an interesting morning. We watched it

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. There was a very interesting exchange between UH

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor WO and Florida Congressman Byron Donald's UH he's running

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<v Speaker 1>for governor of Florida. UH. And this is a cut

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<v Speaker 1>number forty three, Please.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Mayor WU in the City of Boston, how much

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<v Speaker 2>did you spend We don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Ask about immigration status and delivering city.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't ask about how much money the City of

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<v Speaker 2>Boston has spent on illegal immigration out of.

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<v Speaker 3>Yours between immigration status.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you manage your budget or not?

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor?

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<v Speaker 3>That is how we keep Do you manage the numbers

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<v Speaker 3>to prove it? I manage my budget. I have a

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<v Speaker 3>triple A bond writing Dainty back ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Years old to the City of Boston. Just under stand

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<v Speaker 2>that your mayor does not care how much of your

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<v Speaker 2>resources she has spends on people who are not citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>The City of bos Boston. A lot of it went

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Later on during the day. Just to give

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<v Speaker 1>you a sense of it. Let's go to phone see

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<v Speaker 1>what people think. Jim and Woolburn. Jim, I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>holding through the news. You're next one night Sager right ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>First time, carl Ora, Jam you will to.

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<v Speaker 1>How long you how long you've been listening down there

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<v Speaker 1>in pa Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I looked at

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<v Speaker 1>the one but below you is Pennsylvania. So you've been

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the show for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope, Oh yeah, I have. You were talking about

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<v Speaker 4>planes a couple of weeks ago, and this's happened in

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen forty six, and I don't think you're heard of it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's transolution Turkey. It was a P two V Neptune

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<v Speaker 4>and it's foll from Perth, Australia to Columbus, Ohio, not stop.

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<v Speaker 4>It was in the air for fifty five hours and

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<v Speaker 4>they had in order to go to Washington, DC that

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<v Speaker 4>they had to stop. And todder Weather, well, they can

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<v Speaker 4>take that close.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that relate to what we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 4>Or it doesn't. I just wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's very interesting information, and Jim, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>And next time you call, maybe we'll get you to

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<v Speaker 1>call in and talk about what's on the agenda today

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe somenight we'll do a more specialized program on

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<v Speaker 1>on early airline traffic. Okay, thank you much.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, thank you, thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>You appreciate it. Okay, Bill is in Pennsylvania. Fill welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm knowing good Dan. I'm listening to all this followers

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<v Speaker 5>and some of them are making a lot of a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of sense. But I's got to remind everybody, all

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<v Speaker 5>four of those sanctuary city mayors that were there today,

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<v Speaker 5>there's not one of them. I'm over here in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 5>and I have my uh permit to carry, and uh,

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<v Speaker 5>I get to remind everybody the Second Amendment is in

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<v Speaker 5>the is part of the Constitution. But in all four

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<v Speaker 5>of those cities, Okay, if I was to go there

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<v Speaker 5>with my with my uh my pistol and my permit

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<v Speaker 5>to carry, Okay, they would immediately throw me in jail.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's the point that people are forgetting that these

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<v Speaker 5>these mayors uh can do whatever they want to as

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<v Speaker 5>far as the illegals, but in the end, they don't

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<v Speaker 5>they don't honor the Constitution at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would think that the Privileges and Immunities Clause

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<v Speaker 1>is something that the gun lobby should get behind, so

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<v Speaker 1>that if let us say you were licensed to carry

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<v Speaker 1>legally in the great state of Pennsylvania, that we would

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<v Speaker 1>recognize Pennsylvania's licensure. To you, folks, that just seems to

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<v Speaker 1>me to be something. You're a citizen of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>You happen to live in Pennsylvania, and I would think

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<v Speaker 1>that under the Privileges and Immunities Clause that you would

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<v Speaker 1>have the right to come into the state of Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 1>and as long as you're complying with whatever the law

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<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania requires as a Pennsylvania citizen, that right, those

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<v Speaker 1>rights would be expected, it would be respected in other states.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's you know. I mean again, what happened

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<v Speaker 1>today was Mayor Wu actually when she was pressed on

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<v Speaker 1>some questions, and again she was well prepared for this.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make make it very clear to people

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not here taking cheap shots at Mayor Wu.

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<v Speaker 1>But when she was pressed for this, she would often

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<v Speaker 1>go back to her arguments, Well, let me play this

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<v Speaker 1>is he's being pressed here by a cognisman from Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>who's very conservative right wing guy named Paul Gossar. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's actually a doctor. If I'm not mistaken. This

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<v Speaker 1>is cut number forty. Rob. I want to get Bill's

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<v Speaker 1>response to this, because I think it's on the point

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<v Speaker 1>that he's making cut number forty. We're the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>we just heard we want a comprehension immigration policy. How

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<v Speaker 1>can you get a comprehensive immigration policy when you're defying

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<v Speaker 1>it from the very goot go, you're building it on

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<v Speaker 1>false premises and false tenants.

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<v Speaker 3>Respectfully, Congressman, you could pass bipartisan legislation and that would

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<v Speaker 3>be comprehensive immigration law. False narrative is that immigrants in

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<v Speaker 3>general are criminals, or immigrants in general cause all sorts

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<v Speaker 3>of danger and harm. That is actually what is undermining

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<v Speaker 3>safety in our communities. If you wanted to make us safe,

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<v Speaker 3>pass gun reform, stop cutting medicaid, stop cutting cancer research,

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<v Speaker 3>stop cutting funds for veterans, that is what will make

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<v Speaker 3>our city safe.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was that was, you know, programmed in her

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<v Speaker 1>mind that whenever she's get challenged and gets uncomfortable, go there.

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<v Speaker 1>And right at the top was past gun reform. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of cities that have the toughest gun

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, Chicago, I know what you're talking about, Dan,

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<v Speaker 5>but the the you know, you you got to protect

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<v Speaker 5>yourself these days, and and where I'm at, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>for me to get a even a sheriff out here,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm kind of out in the sticks a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>But even the state police, I cannot. I can not

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<v Speaker 5>get anybody to respond out where I live for maybe

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<v Speaker 5>thirty minutes, all right, And this is one reason why

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<v Speaker 5>I would be a little bit leery of coming to

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<v Speaker 5>places like Austin or New York or Chicago, because I

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<v Speaker 5>just don't feel safe. And uh, I got I got

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<v Speaker 5>I carry because of past experiences and also, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to protect my family mostly not my I don't really myself.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, I'm going to get an argument for me

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<v Speaker 1>on that. As I say, there are some people who

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<v Speaker 1>will argue that the Second Amendment is is only a

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<v Speaker 1>right for the military to to to have weapons, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think is ridiculous because there's language there about a

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<v Speaker 1>well armed militia. But yeah, again, as I say, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a little off topic of what we're talking about tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>She makes the point, uh that about crime, that that

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<v Speaker 1>somehow people on your side of the fence, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>on my side of the fence, who want to tighten

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<v Speaker 1>up the border as it's been tightened up, but also

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<v Speaker 1>make it we could we could naturalize two million people

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<v Speaker 1>or three million people a year, well, naturalize less than

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<v Speaker 1>a million of people, about eight hundred and fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want them to go through the process of naturalization.

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<v Speaker 1>I want them to come here. I want to know

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<v Speaker 1>who they are, what skills they bring with you've heard

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<v Speaker 1>my speech on that. She sets it up like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you people, you think that the criminals, that aliens make

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<v Speaker 1>the country more dangerous. They make the country more dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>because if they weren't here, the crime that would not

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<v Speaker 1>have been committed because of their very absence from here

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<v Speaker 1>would not occur. Of course, they make the country more dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, But somehow they want to turn it around

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<v Speaker 1>like somehow we hate we hate illegal I love immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like legal immigrants. They're the best citizens in

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<v Speaker 1>the country. Illegal immigrants you kind of start off on

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<v Speaker 1>the bad for on a bad foot, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. If you got a neighbor next door to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and someday the guy comes to your door and rings

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<v Speaker 1>your bell or knocks in the back door and is hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill just moved into the neighborhood, came over and introduce myself.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you today? Perfect if on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you walk in the kitchen and

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<v Speaker 1>you see some guy who you've never seen before. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you won't shoot him. Uh, and you say, who the

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<v Speaker 1>hell are you? He well, I live next door and

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<v Speaker 1>I was just coming over to get a beer out

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<v Speaker 1>of your refriserator. It's a lot of different first you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what do they say, you never get a second chance

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<v Speaker 1>to make a first impression.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, these these these Democrats have been asking ever since

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<v Speaker 5>the election, Dan, what's wrong? What's wrong with our party? Well,

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<v Speaker 5>you got people, you get those four people there on

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<v Speaker 5>that on that hearing today, and uh, you know, just

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<v Speaker 5>keep just keep them out in front, because you'll you'll

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<v Speaker 5>lose every election.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I think that that's the risk. That's the risk,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and you know, I want I want two

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<v Speaker 1>strong parties nationally. I want two strong parties in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>I want competition the Democrats and Republicans every state. I

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<v Speaker 1>want them to be competitive.

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<v Speaker 5>And and I make one more one more thing, Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you guys that was because I'm way past my break.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>They always tell us that that they used to say,

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<v Speaker 5>Joe Biden is one with the empathy, empathy, empathy. I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't see any empathy out of any of the Democrats

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<v Speaker 5>sitting on their hands when all those all those citizens

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<v Speaker 5>were being honored, not not one, not any empathy at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't agree with you more on that, couldn't agree with

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<v Speaker 1>you more on that. And that was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things the President said last night, which is which is

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<v Speaker 1>true that no matter what he did, uh, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what he did, uh, he's there's there's nothing that that

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<v Speaker 1>he could do. This is cut cut to be Please Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could, I want to play this for from

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<v Speaker 1>my my friend here go, Well we just lost, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>play it for any.

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<v Speaker 6>And I realized there is absolutely nothing I can say

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<v Speaker 6>to make them happy, or to make them stand or

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<v Speaker 6>smile or applaud Nothing I can do. I could find

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<v Speaker 6>a cure to the most devastating disease, a disease that

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<v Speaker 6>would wipe out entire nations, or announce the answers to

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<v Speaker 6>the greatest economy and history, or the stoppage of crime

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<v Speaker 6>to the lowest levels ever recorded. And these people sitting

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<v Speaker 6>right here will not clap, will not stand, and certainly

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<v Speaker 6>will not cheer for these astronomical achievements.

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<v Speaker 1>They won't do it no.

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<v Speaker 6>Matter what five times I've been up here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well again, I think that's the state of where we

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<v Speaker 1>are in the country today. And we will see. As

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<v Speaker 1>I say, I want to judge President Trump on what

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<v Speaker 1>he accomplishes for the country, and if he accomplishes good things, great,

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<v Speaker 1>If he accomplishes bad things, I'll criticize them as simple

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<v Speaker 1>as that. We'll be back on Nightside only well line,

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<v Speaker 1>just fill we have full lines. No need to die.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll let you know when you can die. Coming right

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<v Speaker 1>back on Nightside. Now back to Dan ray Line from

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<v Speaker 1>the Window World night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>I just had a very brief, interesting email from a listener,

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<v Speaker 1>which is aproposa what we're talking about. The listener wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>I began the process of applying for US citizenship upon

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<v Speaker 1>graduation from nursing school in January of nineteen sixty two.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sworn in as a citizen on July fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six. That was our bicentennial day. Each what

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<v Speaker 1>a data Remember. Each year after my application, I would

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<v Speaker 1>receive a form letter acknowledging my application, but asking if

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<v Speaker 1>I was in danger of being deported. I was working

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<v Speaker 1>full time, and each year would check off no. This

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<v Speaker 1>went on for almost fourteen years until I finally stood

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<v Speaker 1>in Fannel Hall with several hundred boat people and swore

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<v Speaker 1>to uphold the laws of the country. How times have changed? Interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go too, we were we going to go here?

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<v Speaker 1>Donna's in meant for Donna. I appreciate your patience. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry it took so long to get to you.

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<v Speaker 7>You tonight, I'm well, thank you think of it taking

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<v Speaker 7>my call. I actually didn't know it was going to

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<v Speaker 7>hold on for so long because it's the first time

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<v Speaker 7>I've called in.

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<v Speaker 1>First call, first time call. You've got to ride across

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, go ahead, Well, thank you.

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<v Speaker 7>So I did get a chance to watch some of

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<v Speaker 7>the hearings today and it just struck me how people

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<v Speaker 7>the arguments need to stop illegal immigrants means they're criminals.

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<v Speaker 7>It's illegal. Yeah, it doesn't matter how they phrase it,

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<v Speaker 7>it's illegal.

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<v Speaker 5>I have no.

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<v Speaker 7>Problem with somebody who wants to come here legally. I

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<v Speaker 7>have no promise somebody wants to come on a work visa.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, we need to come up with the system

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<v Speaker 7>so if people want to come in here a they're vetted.

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<v Speaker 7>We know, if they have a criminal history, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>maybe we need to have their fingerprints on file so

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<v Speaker 7>if gofa bit something happens, we can identify somebody in

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<v Speaker 7>a crime scene. You know, the resources that we're spending

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<v Speaker 7>for these individuals is just mind blowing when you stop

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<v Speaker 7>and think about how many of our veterans are homeless,

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<v Speaker 7>and yet we're we're putting illegal immigrants in.

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<v Speaker 1>Hotels and pretty nice hotels.

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<v Speaker 7>I know, I know, it's it's just it's incredible. I

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<v Speaker 7>just can't cannot believe it. And I want to say

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<v Speaker 7>the after Mayor we started talking, watch the couple of

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<v Speaker 7>things that she said, I just I just totally put

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<v Speaker 7>her out of my mind because maybe you can explain

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<v Speaker 7>it to me. She gave an analogy that you know,

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<v Speaker 7>when the Red Sox won, there was one out of

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<v Speaker 7>five players were immigrants. Nobody is complaining about legal immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean.

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<v Speaker 7>If there was an illegal immigrant.

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<v Speaker 1>On there, you your great point. You know, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great point. Someone pointed out today that some

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<v Speaker 1>of the signers of the u Declaration of Independent were immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you would characterize that, because we

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<v Speaker 7>We we so Indian they're all immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah. It's it's such, it's such linguistics

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<v Speaker 1>and semantics, and it's like, oh, they're not they're not

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<v Speaker 1>illegal immigrants. They're they're visitors, or they're migrants, or they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're new, they're new, new, new to the neighborhood. They

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<v Speaker 1>all will call them newcomers.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I don't think I could get on a

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<v Speaker 7>I'm here, put my hand out and say please give

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<v Speaker 7>me food, please give me housing, please give me healthcare.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think that's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>If if I was caught, let's say, dealing fentanyl, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>which you wouldn't catch me dealing fentanyl, would I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a drug dealer, But my defense going into the courtroom

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<v Speaker 7>Well, that would be fine, you know, it's it's It's

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<v Speaker 7>all about the verbiage. What can we say, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a cliptomaniac. I'm not a thief. Oh you're missing

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<v Speaker 7>your diamond necklace. Oh I'm not a thief though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So's I would say is that that you are

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<v Speaker 1>psychologically compelled as a cliptomaniac. So we have to have

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<v Speaker 1>that she's just not a simple cliptomaniac. She's psychologically compelled

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<v Speaker 1>towards cliptomania, which obviously.

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<v Speaker 7>Especially the shiny stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's expensive.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>So, I have no problem if people want to come

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<v Speaker 7>into this country. And I understand the immigration process in

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<v Speaker 7>and of itself is a long process. Let's come up

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<v Speaker 7>with something else. Let's call it a visitor's past. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>you know something, So they come in, we know who

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<v Speaker 7>they are, we know if they have a criminal history

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<v Speaker 7>that their own country has to say. We know Dan Red,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, yes, he's coming from X, Y, and Z country.

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<v Speaker 7>You know he does not have a criminal record here.

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<v Speaker 7>We don't see why you can't allow him to come

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<v Speaker 7>into your country.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you now, some countries are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>difficult because they're they're outlaw countries. I mean, if someone's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to come here from Somalia, you know, the process

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<v Speaker 1>might take a little long, but I think that we

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<v Speaker 1>have an obligation to do it right. I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a great first time call here, Donna. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it. Thank you so much. Are you a regular listener?

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<v Speaker 1>I hope. I do.

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<v Speaker 7>I listen all the time because because unfortunately, I work

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<v Speaker 7>So I do listen very very often. And I was

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<v Speaker 7>just like, this is this is a point for me

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<v Speaker 7>where it's like, you know what, I think. I'm just

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<v Speaker 7>just call in.

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<v Speaker 1>Because have you thought about maybe surrendering your US citizenship

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<v Speaker 1>and you can become a mere resident or a newcomer?

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<v Speaker 7>Only joking with you, well, you know, honestly, it might

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<v Speaker 7>not be a bad idea. It could be to some

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<v Speaker 7>of the benefits that they're getting compared to what I'm

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<v Speaker 7>paying for my health insurance every single week, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>And if I could just put a plug in because

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know any legislators personally, but I truly wish

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<v Speaker 7>that we had a statewide parking permit for healthcare workers,

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<v Speaker 7>because I can't tell you how many tickets I receive,

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<v Speaker 7>in to provide care to patients on hospice a permit

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<v Speaker 7>parking only. And it's so frustrating because I can only

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<v Speaker 7>get a permit parking for where I live. I can't

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<v Speaker 7>get one for the three counties that I provide.

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<v Speaker 1>Karen, Well, our legislature are dealing with much more important

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<v Speaker 1>issues than that. I mean, clearly, that's I couldn't agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you more. I just think that that is such

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<v Speaker 1>a no brainer. You have a state Rep over there

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<v Speaker 1>named Paul Donado. Okay, give his office a call and

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<v Speaker 1>tell him that that Dan ray Sage just I know, Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm serious. He's a state Rep from Medford. Uh that

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<v Speaker 1>that if that, if he can't get it through the

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<v Speaker 1>legislature within you know, three months, Uh, Dan's going to

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<v Speaker 1>do have you on as a guest, and you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to bash his brains out.

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<v Speaker 7>I will have no problem evoking your name then.

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<v Speaker 1>Sir, all right, you would think that that maybe once

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<v Speaker 1>a month they would say, okay, what are the ideas that?

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<v Speaker 1>Without question, everybody should agree upon. I mean, I love,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, that they're still struggling, or maybe they're finally

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<v Speaker 1>passed up. There the revenge porn, you know that that

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever and they break up and next thing they

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<v Speaker 1>posted it on the internet. Well you should know every

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<v Speaker 1>that's a no brainer, right, I mean, how long should

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<v Speaker 1>it take for the legislature who's going to object to

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<v Speaker 1>that unless it's some squirrely legislator who's done that himself,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 7>For herself, waiting to have the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>To exactly exactly they should be. Like one day, if

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<v Speaker 1>they really wanted transparency at the State House, we could

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<v Speaker 1>call it no brainer day and every rep could ever

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<v Speaker 1>write to get up and speak for two minutes. And

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<v Speaker 1>if they can't convince their colleagues within two minutes that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a no brainer, okay, then then but they

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<v Speaker 1>won't don't ever do that. We're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>refer to the Committee on Bills in Legislation because we

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<v Speaker 1>need to justify the one hundred and seventy five thousand

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<v Speaker 1>who's sitting right over there, representative chromophor representative chromophor, could

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<v Speaker 1>you please wake up. We're referring to you. Oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he is alive. It's a joke. It's a joke where

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to have Diana, Diana Dizaglio, the Democratics date

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<v Speaker 1>auditor on to tomorrow night. Who has the audacity of

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to audit the legislature. She is a hero. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and she's someone that you should always vote for, Diana Disaglio.

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<v Speaker 1>She's she's if.

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<v Speaker 7>You're not doing anything wrong, you should have no problem

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<v Speaker 7>with anybody looking in your books.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, it's public money. Whether you whether

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing something wrong or not, it's public money. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a right to look into your checkbook, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think you and I have a right to look

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<v Speaker 1>into the checkbook of the state legislature. Absolutely, three cheers

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<v Speaker 1>for Diana Desauglio. We'll have her on tomorrow night at

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<v Speaker 1>nine o'clock. Thank you, Donna. I love this.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you call back more often. Called Donato and

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<v Speaker 1>tell him, hey, look I talked to Dan Ray and

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<v Speaker 1>if we can't get this thing past, Dan says he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to do a big story on it, and and

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<v Speaker 1>we're putting it in your in your very capable hands.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll get the message.

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<v Speaker 7>I appreciate that, and I will call him thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Here comes the news. We're gonna take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>Only one line open, six one seven, Ny coming right

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<v Speaker 1>back Nightside with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Mixed up on Nightside, Kim is in Boston. Kim, appreciate

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<v Speaker 8>Ahay, Kim, Hi Dan, how are you to save night?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great. Really, do appreciate your patience. I know

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<v Speaker 1>I've given a lot of the callers a little extra time,

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<v Speaker 1>but you go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 9>You're on No.

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<v Speaker 8>I really appreciate you taking my call. I guess three

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<v Speaker 9>Also, Whoay Dawkin?

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<v Speaker 1>Three calls this very hour. Excellent, Go right ahead. What's

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<v Speaker 1>what's what prompts you to call tonight? Would you like

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I appreciate it because I am beyond excited that

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<v Speaker 8>you brought up the subject of illegal immigrants this evening.

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<v Speaker 8>I am originally from the UK and I was lucky

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<v Speaker 8>enough to come over with my family under a work

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<v Speaker 8>visa for my dad and went through the whole process

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<v Speaker 8>completely legally. And while I still had my green card,

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<v Speaker 8>I was in my teens and dropped out of high school.

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<v Speaker 8>I got myself into drugs and went down a bad road.

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<v Speaker 8>I got caught with marijuana. That was the only charge,

424
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<v Speaker 8>but it wasn't legal we had in Massachusetts. But no

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<v Speaker 8>matter what, it's illegal federally. So that puts me up

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<v Speaker 8>for deportations today.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way. You today, by the way, if you'll

428
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<v Speaker 1>come with marijuana, you get a boy scout or a

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<v Speaker 1>girl scout. Bret Badge goldably getting.

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<v Speaker 9>Well.

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<v Speaker 8>So as I'm awaiting to get my citizenship, I now

432
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<v Speaker 8>have to wait at a time period. I get involved with

433
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<v Speaker 8>harder things and more trouble. Did not play it smart.

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<v Speaker 8>I took being in this country completely for granted. In

435
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<v Speaker 8>the process I was going through completely lucky that I'm

436
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<v Speaker 8>one of those white blonde hair people. You know that

437
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<v Speaker 8>no one would look twice if I walked by them

438
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<v Speaker 8>on a street. So long story short, all my family

439
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<v Speaker 8>members became citizens and I was the only one that

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<v Speaker 8>did not, and I ended up having to face a

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<v Speaker 8>federal judge for deportation, and I at this time had

442
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<v Speaker 8>a daughter, and I had to go in front of

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<v Speaker 8>them and say clame hardship and say yes, I would

444
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<v Speaker 8>go back to do you him leave my child here

445
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<v Speaker 8>because she's American. It was really hard to do and

446
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<v Speaker 8>luckily they kept me here. And ever since that, I've

447
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<v Speaker 8>definitely not taken it for granted. I'm officially a US citizen.

448
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:21.759
<v Speaker 8>Now I've also walked more into it. It's a long process,

449
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:25.960
<v Speaker 8>it's a lot of money. So people that don't have

450
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<v Speaker 8>it easy like I did, and they're escaping like traumatic

451
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<v Speaker 8>situations or whatever their situation is. It's not always drugs.

452
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<v Speaker 8>They are coming here and they don't have the funds

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<v Speaker 8>to go through the legal process.

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<v Speaker 1>Or can I just jump in for one second and

455
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<v Speaker 1>give you what I think is a simple solution. Here's

456
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<v Speaker 1>a simple solution. Take all the money that this country

457
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<v Speaker 1>is spending on people who are here illegally, which is

458
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<v Speaker 1>billions upon billions, if not trillions of dollars, and say

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<v Speaker 1>to people, look, uh, if you go back to your

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<v Speaker 1>home country and you come back here legally, we we

461
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<v Speaker 1>will we will take the money that we're wasting, you know,

462
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<v Speaker 1>trying to deport people or whatever. There's there's ways to

463
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<v Speaker 1>induce people to do it legally, but I what I

464
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<v Speaker 1>want is that people who come back. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>have people come back who are going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to contribute to our society. We have people coming in

467
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<v Speaker 1>this country who are killing young women, who are raping women,

468
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<v Speaker 1>who are killing young men, who are who are drug mules.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one thing to be someone who smoked pot that

470
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<v Speaker 1>is now perfectly legal in Massachusetts, but it's quite another

471
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<v Speaker 1>thing if you're coming in here and you're deal in fentanyl.

472
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a that's a drug that kills people.

473
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<v Speaker 1>So I just think that if we sat back and

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<v Speaker 1>we looked, and we had people to goodwill from both parties,

475
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<v Speaker 1>we could come up and I think you and I

476
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<v Speaker 1>could be involved in that process if they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple of citizens and come up and figure

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<v Speaker 1>out a way in which people who are coming in

479
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<v Speaker 1>here and want to do the right thing. And many

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<v Speaker 1>many of them who are coming in are going to

481
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<v Speaker 1>work manual labor, manual jobs. They don't have big college educations.

482
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<v Speaker 1>Give them a break on the cost and the process.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I just think they would solve two problems.

484
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<v Speaker 1>It would get more people in here legally and would

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<v Speaker 1>save the money that were chasing people who were here illegally.

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<v Speaker 8>So I absolutely love what you just said. However, in

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<v Speaker 8>my own opinion, yep, I there are people born in

488
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<v Speaker 8>the United States of America every single day that grow

489
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<v Speaker 8>up to rate children and kill people. It's everywhere in

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<v Speaker 8>the world. My child's father right now, who is a

491
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<v Speaker 8>born US that is a and is incarcerated right now

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<v Speaker 8>for multiple charges, and they keep adding up while he's

493
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<v Speaker 8>in there, but completely which is great. He's here, he's

494
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<v Speaker 8>he's a born US citizen now. But what I'm granted

495
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<v Speaker 8>my charges are technically highly criminal charges to the government

496
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<v Speaker 8>that was you.

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<v Speaker 1>Got you gotta you gotta break. Okay, you've got to break.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that. But the problem, here's the problem. If

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<v Speaker 1>if your ex, let us say, had killed someone, that

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<v Speaker 1>would have been a crime committed by US citizen. Now,

501
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.039
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing that we can do to a US citizen

502
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 1>ahead of time. If you if you came to me

503
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<v Speaker 1>and I was the head of the FBI, and if

504
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>you said, look, I married this guy. He's a bum.

505
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>He's going to kill somebody at some point we can't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything about that. We can't say, well, let's throw

507
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<v Speaker 1>this guy in jail for life because he may be

508
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>a killer, you know that. But the people who committed

509
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 1>the country and who kill Americans who come here who

510
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have been here in the first place, that's a

511
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<v Speaker 1>preventable death, that's a preventable rape.

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<v Speaker 8>But how do you separate the people that shouldn't have

513
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<v Speaker 8>been here in the first place?

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<v Speaker 1>Very simple. I have a simple answer for that. I

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<v Speaker 1>have I have a simple answer for that.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you have an immigration process, and you do you

518
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.359
<v Speaker 1>do a background check, you find out, okay, where are

519
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<v Speaker 1>they coming from? Why are you coming here?

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<v Speaker 9>What?

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<v Speaker 1>You have them go to the US console in wherever

522
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<v Speaker 1>they are, whether they're in England or they're in Ethiopia,

523
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<v Speaker 1>and they have a conversation with the console and then

524
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.559
<v Speaker 1>they find out. If that then they have to, you know,

525
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:52.599
<v Speaker 1>comply with other regulations to file the proper paperwork prove

526
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.519
<v Speaker 1>to us that they're coming here. They can do something.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody shows up and says, look, I'm eighty nine

528
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<v Speaker 1>years old, I I've had three heart attacks and I

529
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<v Speaker 1>want to go to America's so I can get heart surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that that's someone who I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>say should come here as an immigrant, even though they're

532
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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine years old. Do you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 8>I do know what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody comes here, shows up from the Dominican Republic,

535
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<v Speaker 1>it says I have no work skills, but I will work.

536
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<v Speaker 1>I will clean toilets, which by the way, I did

537
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<v Speaker 1>when I was in college. I will pick blueberries, I

538
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.279
<v Speaker 1>will pick strawberries. I will do whatever I have to do.

539
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<v Speaker 1>I will clean, I will mob Floy's. I want that

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<v Speaker 1>person to committee it because we need people to do that.

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<v Speaker 8>No, absolutely, I mean I was shocked because I found

542
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<v Speaker 8>out a neighbor of mine is from Albania and they

543
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<v Speaker 8>have to do a lottery top.

544
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<v Speaker 1>Yes they do.

545
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<v Speaker 8>They comes to the United States. I had no idea if.

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<v Speaker 1>If if they're doing it, if well, Kim, if they're

547
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<v Speaker 1>doing it legally.

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00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:10.319
<v Speaker 8>If you're doing it legally, they're lottery process. And he

549
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 8>was telling the lottery process, you get picked, but that

550
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:16.519
<v Speaker 8>doesn't mean that you get to go. It means you're

551
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<v Speaker 8>part of the lottery that might get to go. So

552
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 8>that it is not able to wait that process and

553
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:26.880
<v Speaker 8>needs to exit immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>We have we we have, we we have, we have

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00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>that continguency covered, Kim. If if somebody has to exit

556
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<v Speaker 1>a country because they they're in they're in fear of

557
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<v Speaker 1>their life, and it's a genuine fear of their life,

558
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>they can they can claim asylum and come here immediately.

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<v Speaker 8>So that means that technically all these illegal immigrants.

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<v Speaker 9>Could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they have to prove no, No, they.

562
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<v Speaker 9>Have to prove true.

563
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.119
<v Speaker 1>How do you prove anything? In other words, you have

564
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to show up and you have to tell you story

565
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and it has to be found to be credible. You

566
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>go to a port of entry and you say, I

567
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.359
<v Speaker 1>want to claim asylum, Kim, believe it or not. Trust me.

568
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 1>I know this stuff. Okay.

569
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 8>I know this stuff because I have.

570
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Been money so that there there were ways to do this. Okay,

571
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:26.519
<v Speaker 1>there were ways to do this. Do you know that

572
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:29.599
<v Speaker 1>we have assistant fried Ship. I'll give you an example

573
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<v Speaker 1>which I love to give. I'm a lawyer, okay. I

574
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<v Speaker 1>happen to be Irish. Okay, bye bye. You know my background.

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00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I also have a dual citizenship, okay, because I had

576
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:46.720
<v Speaker 1>grandfathers who grandfather, who came here legally grandfather grandmother. So

577
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 1>I have a dual citizenship. But if people were coming

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<v Speaker 1>here and saying, hey, here i am, I'm Seamous and

579
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm a lawyer from Ireland. We got enough lawyers

580
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>coming in this country, I would say, Seamous would love

581
00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:59.759
<v Speaker 1>to have you. But you're gonna have to step to

582
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<v Speaker 1>the line.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>If there's a nurse there from Bangladesh and a doctor

585
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 1>from Pakistan. We need nurses and doctors. You put them

586
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to the head of the line. It's it's not brain surgery, Kim.

587
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>We can do it.

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00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 8>So it's kind of like a Titanic move. Who do

589
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:18.880
<v Speaker 8>you save off the ship?

590
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Isn't a question about saving We represent six percent of

591
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the world's population, Kim. It would be wonderful if I said,

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00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:29.799
<v Speaker 1>let's open up our borders and if you want to

593
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>come to America, that's fine. It doesn't matter if you

594
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>have any skills or anything like that. Come on, come on,

595
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 1>just come on in. Everybody up in Canada you want

596
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>to come in, Come on in Mexico, come on in.

597
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Just just flock over the border. That's what we've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing for the last four years.

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00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 8>I've been told my whole life, we're moving to America

600
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 8>because there's more opportunity there.

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00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right, there is there is, but we have been

602
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 1>we have a writer as a country. Look, Kim, we've

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<v Speaker 1>gone eleven minutes, and I love to call, but I.

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<v Speaker 8>Think were I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thanks Kim, please call again and we'll talk again.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks very much. You two have a great night. Got

607
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<v Speaker 1>to take a break. Patton Kingston's coming up. I got

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<v Speaker 1>Low and Medford Linus and even gonna get you all

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<v Speaker 1>in David rent them. I promise no more ten minute

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls. Okay. We're going to try to keep everybody

611
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<v Speaker 1>to three minutes. Okay, and if you if you can

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00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 1>do that, it's going to be good for everybody. Coming

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<v Speaker 1>back on Nightside. Now, back to Dan Ray live from

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<v Speaker 1>the Window World Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to pick up the pace Patt and Kingston. Pat,

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize for the amount of time you've had to wait.

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<v Speaker 1>You next on Nightside, Dah and no worries.

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<v Speaker 9>Great knowledge from a lot of your callers tonight. So

619
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<v Speaker 9>let's just get right after the point here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 5>I Oh, the media says the court trying to do on

622
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:56.039
<v Speaker 5>the right thing. They're releasing all these individuals. Well, let's

623
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<v Speaker 5>look at the big picture of ICE is not in

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<v Speaker 5>the courthouse. If ICE is on site, we can give

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<v Speaker 5>them the individual the asked for. If they make a

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<v Speaker 5>phone call and be like we'll be there in twenty

627
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<v Speaker 5>five minutes, thirty minutes, guess what, we released them. We

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<v Speaker 5>let them out into the public.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 9>We don't hold them if there's no If they come

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<v Speaker 9>in with a detainer, then we hold them. If you're

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<v Speaker 9>on site, if you're not in the courthouse, it's at

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<v Speaker 9>that present time, goodbye, you're out the door.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the Massachusetts policy. Okay. Under a very confusing decision

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<v Speaker 1>called the lun decision from twenty seventeen. The fact of

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<v Speaker 1>the matter is if if let us say, ICE picks

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<v Speaker 1>up someone. First of all, you know, let's say a

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<v Speaker 1>local state, a local police department picks up someone and

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<v Speaker 1>they are charged with a crime, all right, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that police department should have the ability to find

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<v Speaker 1>out who is this person, what other crimes may have

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<v Speaker 1>they committed, And in the meantime they contact federal authorities

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<v Speaker 1>and say, hey, look, do you have anything on this

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<v Speaker 1>person and you're interested in them. If the if the

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<v Speaker 1>government says, look, you know, the guys a pickpocket, We

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<v Speaker 1>don't have time to come over and pick them up. Fine,

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<v Speaker 1>you let them go. But if all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>the government says, look, this guy is suspected in a

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<v Speaker 1>murder in Maryland, he suspected an armed robbery in Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd like to come over and get him. Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>the police department says, you know, come over and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to be here in five minutes, that's not possible.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one example that was that was pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>today where Ice called and they sent six agents to

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<v Speaker 1>get the guy. They could have kept him inside the building.

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<v Speaker 1>They let him walk out the door, and once he

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<v Speaker 1>walked out the door, he wanted to fight the six

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<v Speaker 1>Ice guys. I mean, it's like, why do we want

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<v Speaker 1>to make it difficult for law enforcement at any level

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<v Speaker 1>in America to do their job.

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<v Speaker 9>So you're saying police department, So I'm talking about the courts,

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<v Speaker 9>which I have great knowledge of, and we can talk

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<v Speaker 9>offline if you want. But once the police department drops

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<v Speaker 9>said person off, Ice already knows. Ice makes the phone

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<v Speaker 9>call to the courthouse and says, Hey, I'm coming to

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<v Speaker 9>pick up Xyz. I'm in the parking lot. If the

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<v Speaker 9>courthouse lets that person go, he comes in the lock up,

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<v Speaker 9>takes that person out the side door. Game is over.

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<v Speaker 9>But the problem is the media sits there and they say, oh,

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<v Speaker 9>stir less him or her go, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>You have you have these, you have the case. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a lawyer in Massachusetts, I assume you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>familiar the case of Judge Shelley Joseph in Newton. Correct,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that case. So if you have an ICE

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<v Speaker 1>officer in the you have an ICE officer in the

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<v Speaker 1>courtroom waiting to grab this guy. She told her bailiff

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<v Speaker 1>go down and tell the ICE officer in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the courtroom to go into the lobby, a court officer, bailiff, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So the court officer goes lobby, comes back, and the

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<v Speaker 1>judge turns off the recording for like fifty two seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a conversation and she instructs the court officer walked

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<v Speaker 1>the guy out the back door.

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<v Speaker 9>Come on, and Dan, I can't speak for that, but

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<v Speaker 9>the policy is, if ICE is on site, we are

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<v Speaker 9>required to bring ice in the lock up. That person

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<v Speaker 9>goes out the side door.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, again, I think you treat What I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>say to you was I think you treat each person differently.

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<v Speaker 9>If you got somebody there negative negative, negative, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 9>work like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it should work like it should work like I.

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<v Speaker 9>Know, if they come in they say I have a

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<v Speaker 9>detainer for X, y Z, and that person is released,

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<v Speaker 9>they come in, take that person and they go with them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what you know? Pat? Then look, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about two different things here. I think No, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we are.

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<v Speaker 9>You're a lawyer, Dan, I know you're a lawyer, and

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<v Speaker 9>you're a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fair, so we can talk as lawyers. Okay, you're

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with the lun decision, right, correct? Okay, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what that decision is clearly. When was the last time

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<v Speaker 1>you read it.

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<v Speaker 9>Last week?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Well I read it a couple of days ago,

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<v Speaker 1>so we were both readed. Okay, if you can understand

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<v Speaker 1>that decision clearly. Uh, I want to know, every one

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<v Speaker 1>of these cases is different. So if you have some

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<v Speaker 1>guy in there who's in for overdue parking tickets, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. They're not going to be calling ICE for

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<v Speaker 1>someone like that. ICE has to get notified by one.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you have, you've you've seen stories where people

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<v Speaker 1>are are basically they don't even call ICE, or if

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<v Speaker 1>they call ICE, ICE says, look, I need a couple,

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<v Speaker 1>We need a couple of ours to get over there.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the person is charged with a serious crime,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're in there and they're charged with a murder

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, you've got to treat that person

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit differently. You can still give them due process,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know that's what you're going with your argument.

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<v Speaker 1>You still give them due process. You say to Ice, Okay, here,

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<v Speaker 1>you got them. You figure out what you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do with them. And if if they want to get

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer and go back and try to try to

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<v Speaker 1>seek a haavieor's corpus in federal court or whatever, you

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<v Speaker 1>can have a You can't just say everybody, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>all all. It's like all the all the entry. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>open the gate and let everybody out.

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<v Speaker 9>Our system is one. I test be on site at

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<v Speaker 9>the courthouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Who decided that decided that? Who decided that federal federal court.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the SID that's not that's not no. Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what you're talking about. That's not decided.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Massachusetts. It's a Massachusetts. Well, Pat, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>you waited, but we went seven minutes and I'm flat

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<v Speaker 1>out of Tome. I apologize. Call again, We'll continue our conversation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>like to.

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<v Speaker 9>Take that personnel that great, have a great night.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the problem with Massachusetts right now. It doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let's let's let them all go, simple as that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you agree with Pat, call in and tell me how,

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<v Speaker 1>how how good uh that policy is. They do it

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<v Speaker 1>differently in different states. Back on Nightside after this
