Speaker 1: It's night with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston Radio
Speaker 1: talking about the hearings in Washington, d C. Today. There
Speaker 1: was there were some fireworks. I don't think much progress
Speaker 1: was made. I don't think any minds were changed, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was an interesting morning. We watched it
Speaker 1: a lot. There was a very interesting exchange between UH
Speaker 1: Mayor WO and Florida Congressman Byron Donald's UH he's running
Speaker 1: for governor of Florida. UH. And this is a cut
Speaker 1: number forty three, Please.
Speaker 2: Rob Mayor WU in the City of Boston, how much
Speaker 2: did you spend We don't.
Speaker 3: Ask about immigration status and delivering city.
Speaker 2: You don't ask about how much money the City of
Speaker 2: Boston has spent on illegal immigration out of.
Speaker 3: Yours between immigration status.
Speaker 2: Do you manage your budget or not?
Speaker 1: Mayor?
Speaker 3: That is how we keep Do you manage the numbers
Speaker 3: to prove it? I manage my budget. I have a
Speaker 3: triple A bond writing Dainty back ten.
Speaker 2: Years old to the City of Boston. Just under stand
Speaker 2: that your mayor does not care how much of your
Speaker 2: resources she has spends on people who are not citizens.
Speaker 1: The City of bos Boston. A lot of it went
Speaker 1: like that. Later on during the day. Just to give
Speaker 1: you a sense of it. Let's go to phone see
Speaker 1: what people think. Jim and Woolburn. Jim, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: holding through the news. You're next one night Sager right ahead.
Speaker 4: First time, carl Ora, Jam you will to.
Speaker 1: How long you how long you've been listening down there
Speaker 1: in pa Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I looked at
Speaker 1: the one but below you is Pennsylvania. So you've been
Speaker 1: listening to the show for a while.
Speaker 4: I hope, Oh yeah, I have. You were talking about
Speaker 4: planes a couple of weeks ago, and this's happened in
Speaker 4: nineteen forty six, and I don't think you're heard of it.
Speaker 4: It's transolution Turkey. It was a P two V Neptune
Speaker 4: and it's foll from Perth, Australia to Columbus, Ohio, not stop.
Speaker 4: It was in the air for fifty five hours and
Speaker 4: they had in order to go to Washington, DC that
Speaker 4: they had to stop. And todder Weather, well, they can
Speaker 4: take that close.
Speaker 1: How does that relate to what we're talking about today.
Speaker 4: Or it doesn't. I just wanted to.
Speaker 1: Well, it's very interesting information, and Jim, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And next time you call, maybe we'll get you to
Speaker 1: call in and talk about what's on the agenda today
Speaker 1: and maybe somenight we'll do a more specialized program on
Speaker 1: on early airline traffic. Okay, thank you much.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, thank you, thanks.
Speaker 1: You appreciate it. Okay, Bill is in Pennsylvania. Fill welcome.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm knowing good Dan. I'm listening to all this followers
Speaker 5: and some of them are making a lot of a
Speaker 5: lot of sense. But I's got to remind everybody, all
Speaker 5: four of those sanctuary city mayors that were there today,
Speaker 5: there's not one of them. I'm over here in Pennsylvania
Speaker 5: and I have my uh permit to carry, and uh,
Speaker 5: I get to remind everybody the Second Amendment is in
Speaker 5: the is part of the Constitution. But in all four
Speaker 5: of those cities, Okay, if I was to go there
Speaker 5: with my with my uh my pistol and my permit
Speaker 5: to carry, Okay, they would immediately throw me in jail.
Speaker 5: And that's the point that people are forgetting that these
Speaker 5: these mayors uh can do whatever they want to as
Speaker 5: far as the illegals, but in the end, they don't
Speaker 5: they don't honor the Constitution at all.
Speaker 1: Well, I would think that the Privileges and Immunities Clause
Speaker 1: is something that the gun lobby should get behind, so
Speaker 1: that if let us say you were licensed to carry
Speaker 1: legally in the great state of Pennsylvania, that we would
Speaker 1: recognize Pennsylvania's licensure. To you, folks, that just seems to
Speaker 1: me to be something. You're a citizen of the United States.
Speaker 1: You happen to live in Pennsylvania, and I would think
Speaker 1: that under the Privileges and Immunities Clause that you would
Speaker 1: have the right to come into the state of Massachusetts
Speaker 1: and as long as you're complying with whatever the law
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania requires as a Pennsylvania citizen, that right, those
Speaker 1: rights would be expected, it would be respected in other states.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's you know. I mean again, what happened
Speaker 1: today was Mayor Wu actually when she was pressed on
Speaker 1: some questions, and again she was well prepared for this.
Speaker 1: I want to make make it very clear to people
Speaker 1: that I'm not here taking cheap shots at Mayor Wu.
Speaker 1: But when she was pressed for this, she would often
Speaker 1: go back to her arguments, Well, let me play this
Speaker 1: is he's being pressed here by a cognisman from Arizona
Speaker 1: who's very conservative right wing guy named Paul Gossar. I
Speaker 1: think he's actually a doctor. If I'm not mistaken. This
Speaker 1: is cut number forty. Rob. I want to get Bill's
Speaker 1: response to this, because I think it's on the point
Speaker 1: that he's making cut number forty. We're the ones that
Speaker 1: we just heard we want a comprehension immigration policy. How
Speaker 1: can you get a comprehensive immigration policy when you're defying
Speaker 1: it from the very goot go, you're building it on
Speaker 1: false premises and false tenants.
Speaker 3: Respectfully, Congressman, you could pass bipartisan legislation and that would
Speaker 3: be comprehensive immigration law. False narrative is that immigrants in
Speaker 3: general are criminals, or immigrants in general cause all sorts
Speaker 3: of danger and harm. That is actually what is undermining
Speaker 3: safety in our communities. If you wanted to make us safe,
Speaker 3: pass gun reform, stop cutting medicaid, stop cutting cancer research,
Speaker 3: stop cutting funds for veterans, that is what will make
Speaker 3: our city safe.
Speaker 1: So that was that was, you know, programmed in her
Speaker 1: mind that whenever she's get challenged and gets uncomfortable, go there.
Speaker 1: And right at the top was past gun reform. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of cities that have the toughest gun
Speaker 1: laws in the country, and they are the most dangerous
Speaker 1: cities in the country.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Chicago, I know what you're talking about, Dan,
Speaker 5: but the the you know, you you got to protect
Speaker 5: yourself these days, and and where I'm at, you know,
Speaker 5: for me to get a even a sheriff out here,
Speaker 5: I'm kind of out in the sticks a little bit.
Speaker 5: But even the state police, I cannot. I can not
Speaker 5: get anybody to respond out where I live for maybe
Speaker 5: thirty minutes, all right, And this is one reason why
Speaker 5: I would be a little bit leery of coming to
Speaker 5: places like Austin or New York or Chicago, because I
Speaker 5: just don't feel safe. And uh, I got I got
Speaker 5: I carry because of past experiences and also, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: to protect my family mostly not my I don't really myself.
Speaker 1: You're right, I'm going to get an argument for me
Speaker 1: on that. As I say, there are some people who
Speaker 1: will argue that the Second Amendment is is only a
Speaker 1: right for the military to to to have weapons, which
Speaker 1: I think is ridiculous because there's language there about a
Speaker 1: well armed militia. But yeah, again, as I say, that's
Speaker 1: a little off topic of what we're talking about tonight.
Speaker 1: She makes the point, uh that about crime, that that
Speaker 1: somehow people on your side of the fence, or maybe
Speaker 1: on my side of the fence, who want to tighten
Speaker 1: up the border as it's been tightened up, but also
Speaker 1: make it we could we could naturalize two million people
Speaker 1: or three million people a year, well, naturalize less than
Speaker 1: a million of people, about eight hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 1: But I want them to go through the process of naturalization.
Speaker 1: I want them to come here. I want to know
Speaker 1: who they are, what skills they bring with you've heard
Speaker 1: my speech on that. She sets it up like, no,
Speaker 1: you people, you think that the criminals, that aliens make
Speaker 1: the country more dangerous. They make the country more dangerous
Speaker 1: because if they weren't here, the crime that would not
Speaker 1: have been committed because of their very absence from here
Speaker 1: would not occur. Of course, they make the country more dangerous,
Speaker 1: you know, But somehow they want to turn it around
Speaker 1: like somehow we hate we hate illegal I love immigrants.
Speaker 1: I just like legal immigrants. They're the best citizens in
Speaker 1: the country. Illegal immigrants you kind of start off on
Speaker 1: the bad for on a bad foot, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. If you got a neighbor next door to you,
Speaker 1: and someday the guy comes to your door and rings
Speaker 1: your bell or knocks in the back door and is hey,
Speaker 1: Bill just moved into the neighborhood, came over and introduce myself.
Speaker 1: How are you today? Perfect if on the other hand,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you walk in the kitchen and
Speaker 1: you see some guy who you've never seen before. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you won't shoot him. Uh, and you say, who the
Speaker 1: hell are you? He well, I live next door and
Speaker 1: I was just coming over to get a beer out
Speaker 1: of your refriserator. It's a lot of different first you know,
Speaker 1: what do they say, you never get a second chance
Speaker 1: to make a first impression.
Speaker 5: Well, these these these Democrats have been asking ever since
Speaker 5: the election, Dan, what's wrong? What's wrong with our party? Well,
Speaker 5: you got people, you get those four people there on
Speaker 5: that on that hearing today, and uh, you know, just
Speaker 5: keep just keep them out in front, because you'll you'll
Speaker 5: lose every election.
Speaker 1: I think, I think that that's the risk. That's the risk,
Speaker 1: and and and you know, I want I want two
Speaker 1: strong parties nationally. I want two strong parties in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: I want competition the Democrats and Republicans every state. I
Speaker 1: want them to be competitive.
Speaker 5: And and I make one more one more thing, Dan.
Speaker 1: Do you guys that was because I'm way past my break.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They always tell us that that they used to say,
Speaker 5: Joe Biden is one with the empathy, empathy, empathy. I
Speaker 5: didn't see any empathy out of any of the Democrats
Speaker 5: sitting on their hands when all those all those citizens
Speaker 5: were being honored, not not one, not any empathy at all.
Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with you more on that, couldn't agree with
Speaker 1: you more on that. And that was one of the
Speaker 1: things the President said last night, which is which is
Speaker 1: true that no matter what he did, uh, no matter
Speaker 1: what he did, uh, he's there's there's nothing that that
Speaker 1: he could do. This is cut cut to be Please Rob,
Speaker 1: if you could, I want to play this for from
Speaker 1: my my friend here go, Well we just lost, we'll
Speaker 1: play it for any.
Speaker 6: And I realized there is absolutely nothing I can say
Speaker 6: to make them happy, or to make them stand or
Speaker 6: smile or applaud Nothing I can do. I could find
Speaker 6: a cure to the most devastating disease, a disease that
Speaker 6: would wipe out entire nations, or announce the answers to
Speaker 6: the greatest economy and history, or the stoppage of crime
Speaker 6: to the lowest levels ever recorded. And these people sitting
Speaker 6: right here will not clap, will not stand, and certainly
Speaker 6: will not cheer for these astronomical achievements.
Speaker 1: They won't do it no.
Speaker 6: Matter what five times I've been up here.
Speaker 1: Well again, I think that's the state of where we
Speaker 1: are in the country today. And we will see. As
Speaker 1: I say, I want to judge President Trump on what
Speaker 1: he accomplishes for the country, and if he accomplishes good things, great,
Speaker 1: If he accomplishes bad things, I'll criticize them as simple
Speaker 1: as that. We'll be back on Nightside only well line,
Speaker 1: just fill we have full lines. No need to die.
Speaker 1: We'll let you know when you can die. Coming right
Speaker 1: back on Nightside. Now back to Dan ray Line from
Speaker 1: the Window World night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1: I just had a very brief, interesting email from a listener,
Speaker 1: which is aproposa what we're talking about. The listener wrote,
Speaker 1: I began the process of applying for US citizenship upon
Speaker 1: graduation from nursing school in January of nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 1: I was sworn in as a citizen on July fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. That was our bicentennial day. Each what
Speaker 1: a data Remember. Each year after my application, I would
Speaker 1: receive a form letter acknowledging my application, but asking if
Speaker 1: I was in danger of being deported. I was working
Speaker 1: full time, and each year would check off no. This
Speaker 1: went on for almost fourteen years until I finally stood
Speaker 1: in Fannel Hall with several hundred boat people and swore
Speaker 1: to uphold the laws of the country. How times have changed? Interesting,
Speaker 1: let's go too, we were we going to go here?
Speaker 1: Donna's in meant for Donna. I appreciate your patience. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry it took so long to get to you.
Speaker 7: You tonight, I'm well, thank you think of it taking
Speaker 7: my call. I actually didn't know it was going to
Speaker 7: hold on for so long because it's the first time
Speaker 7: I've called in.
Speaker 1: First call, first time call. You've got to ride across
Speaker 1: from our virtual studio audience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead, Well, thank you.
Speaker 7: So I did get a chance to watch some of
Speaker 7: the hearings today and it just struck me how people
Speaker 7: the arguments need to stop illegal immigrants means they're criminals.
Speaker 7: It's illegal. Yeah, it doesn't matter how they phrase it,
Speaker 7: it's illegal.
Speaker 5: I have no.
Speaker 7: Problem with somebody who wants to come here legally. I
Speaker 7: have no promise somebody wants to come on a work visa.
Speaker 7: You know, we need to come up with the system
Speaker 7: so if people want to come in here a they're vetted.
Speaker 7: We know, if they have a criminal history, you know,
Speaker 7: maybe we need to have their fingerprints on file so
Speaker 7: if gofa bit something happens, we can identify somebody in
Speaker 7: a crime scene. You know, the resources that we're spending
Speaker 7: for these individuals is just mind blowing when you stop
Speaker 7: and think about how many of our veterans are homeless,
Speaker 7: and yet we're we're putting illegal immigrants in.
Speaker 1: Hotels and pretty nice hotels.
Speaker 7: I know, I know, it's it's just it's incredible. I
Speaker 7: just can't cannot believe it. And I want to say
Speaker 7: the after Mayor we started talking, watch the couple of
Speaker 7: things that she said, I just I just totally put
Speaker 7: her out of my mind because maybe you can explain
Speaker 7: it to me. She gave an analogy that you know,
Speaker 7: when the Red Sox won, there was one out of
Speaker 7: five players were immigrants. Nobody is complaining about legal immigrants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7: If there was an illegal immigrant.
Speaker 1: On there, you your great point. You know, no kidding.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. Someone pointed out today that some
Speaker 1: of the signers of the u Declaration of Independent were immigrants.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you would characterize that, because we
Speaker 1: didn't have a country before the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 7: We we so Indian they're all immigrants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah. It's it's such, it's such linguistics
Speaker 1: and semantics, and it's like, oh, they're not they're not
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants. They're they're visitors, or they're migrants, or they're
Speaker 1: they're new, they're new, new, new to the neighborhood. They
Speaker 1: all will call them newcomers.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't think I could get on a
Speaker 7: plane and wash and march into Russia and say hey,
Speaker 7: I'm here, put my hand out and say please give
Speaker 7: me food, please give me housing, please give me healthcare.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: If if I was caught, let's say, dealing fentanyl, okay,
Speaker 1: which you wouldn't catch me dealing fentanyl, would I'm not
Speaker 1: a drug dealer, But my defense going into the courtroom
Speaker 1: would be I would say I'm an unlicensed pharmacist.
Speaker 7: Well, that would be fine, you know, it's it's It's
Speaker 7: all about the verbiage. What can we say, you know,
Speaker 7: I'm a cliptomaniac. I'm not a thief. Oh you're missing
Speaker 7: your diamond necklace. Oh I'm not a thief though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So's I would say is that that you are
Speaker 1: psychologically compelled as a cliptomaniac. So we have to have
Speaker 1: some sort of some sort of syndrome in there so
Speaker 1: that she's just not a simple cliptomaniac. She's psychologically compelled
Speaker 1: towards cliptomania, which obviously.
Speaker 7: Especially the shiny stuff.
Speaker 1: If it's expensive.
Speaker 5: Exactly.
Speaker 7: So, I have no problem if people want to come
Speaker 7: into this country. And I understand the immigration process in
Speaker 7: and of itself is a long process. Let's come up
Speaker 7: with something else. Let's call it a visitor's past. You know,
Speaker 7: you know something, So they come in, we know who
Speaker 7: they are, we know if they have a criminal history
Speaker 7: that their own country has to say. We know Dan Red,
Speaker 7: you know, yes, he's coming from X, Y, and Z country.
Speaker 7: You know he does not have a criminal record here.
Speaker 7: We don't see why you can't allow him to come
Speaker 7: into your country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you now, some countries are going to be
Speaker 1: difficult because they're they're outlaw countries. I mean, if someone's
Speaker 1: trying to come here from Somalia, you know, the process
Speaker 1: might take a little long, but I think that we
Speaker 1: have an obligation to do it right. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: That was a great first time call here, Donna. I
Speaker 1: love it. Thank you so much. Are you a regular listener?
Speaker 1: I hope. I do.
Speaker 7: I listen all the time because because unfortunately, I work
Speaker 7: two jobs so I can support my family and I'm
Speaker 7: in the chira a lot at night because I do nursing,
Speaker 7: So I do listen very very often. And I was
Speaker 7: just like, this is this is a point for me
Speaker 7: where it's like, you know what, I think. I'm just
Speaker 7: just call in.
Speaker 1: Because have you thought about maybe surrendering your US citizenship
Speaker 1: and you can become a mere resident or a newcomer?
Speaker 7: Only joking with you, well, you know, honestly, it might
Speaker 7: not be a bad idea. It could be to some
Speaker 7: of the benefits that they're getting compared to what I'm
Speaker 7: paying for my health insurance every single week, you know.
Speaker 7: And if I could just put a plug in because
Speaker 7: I don't know any legislators personally, but I truly wish
Speaker 7: that we had a statewide parking permit for healthcare workers,
Speaker 7: because I can't tell you how many tickets I receive,
Speaker 7: because all of the cities that I have to go
Speaker 7: in to provide care to patients on hospice a permit
Speaker 7: parking only. And it's so frustrating because I can only
Speaker 7: get a permit parking for where I live. I can't
Speaker 7: get one for the three counties that I provide.
Speaker 1: Karen, Well, our legislature are dealing with much more important
Speaker 1: issues than that. I mean, clearly, that's I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: with you more. I just think that that is such
Speaker 1: a no brainer. You have a state Rep over there
Speaker 1: named Paul Donado. Okay, give his office a call and
Speaker 1: tell him that that Dan ray Sage just I know, Paul,
Speaker 1: I'm serious. He's a state Rep from Medford. Uh that
Speaker 1: that if that, if he can't get it through the
Speaker 1: legislature within you know, three months, Uh, Dan's going to
Speaker 1: do have you on as a guest, and you're going
Speaker 1: to bash his brains out.
Speaker 7: I will have no problem evoking your name then.
Speaker 1: Sir, all right, you would think that that maybe once
Speaker 1: a month they would say, okay, what are the ideas that?
Speaker 1: Without question, everybody should agree upon. I mean, I love,
Speaker 1: for example, that they're still struggling, or maybe they're finally
Speaker 1: passed up. There the revenge porn, you know that that
Speaker 1: somebody gets a picture of the girlfriend or the boyfriend
Speaker 1: or whatever and they break up and next thing they
Speaker 1: posted it on the internet. Well you should know every
Speaker 1: that's a no brainer, right, I mean, how long should
Speaker 1: it take for the legislature who's going to object to
Speaker 1: that unless it's some squirrely legislator who's done that himself,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 7: For herself, waiting to have the opportunity.
Speaker 1: To exactly exactly they should be. Like one day, if
Speaker 1: they really wanted transparency at the State House, we could
Speaker 1: call it no brainer day and every rep could ever
Speaker 1: write to get up and speak for two minutes. And
Speaker 1: if they can't convince their colleagues within two minutes that
Speaker 1: this is a no brainer, okay, then then but they
Speaker 1: won't don't ever do that. We're going to have to
Speaker 1: refer to the Committee on Bills in Legislation because we
Speaker 1: need to justify the one hundred and seventy five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars salary. We're sending to the chairman of the committee,
Speaker 1: who's sitting right over there, representative chromophor representative chromophor, could
Speaker 1: you please wake up. We're referring to you. Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: he is alive. It's a joke. It's a joke where
Speaker 1: you're going to have Diana, Diana Dizaglio, the Democratics date
Speaker 1: auditor on to tomorrow night. Who has the audacity of
Speaker 1: wanting to audit the legislature. She is a hero. Uh
Speaker 1: and she's someone that you should always vote for, Diana Disaglio.
Speaker 1: She's she's if.
Speaker 7: You're not doing anything wrong, you should have no problem
Speaker 7: with anybody looking in your books.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, it's public money. Whether you whether
Speaker 1: you're doing something wrong or not, it's public money. I
Speaker 1: don't have a right to look into your checkbook, but
Speaker 1: I think you and I have a right to look
Speaker 1: into the checkbook of the state legislature. Absolutely, three cheers
Speaker 1: for Diana Desauglio. We'll have her on tomorrow night at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. Thank you, Donna. I love this.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I hope you call back more often. Called Donato and
Speaker 1: tell him, hey, look I talked to Dan Ray and
Speaker 1: if we can't get this thing past, Dan says he's
Speaker 1: going to do a big story on it, and and
Speaker 1: we're putting it in your in your very capable hands.
Speaker 1: He'll get the message.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that, and I will call him thank you.
Speaker 1: Here comes the news. We're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 1: Only one line open, six one seven, Ny coming right
Speaker 1: back Nightside with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: Mixed up on Nightside, Kim is in Boston. Kim, appreciate
Speaker 1: your patients. Next on Nightside, go right.
Speaker 8: Ahay, Kim, Hi Dan, how are you to save night?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Really, do appreciate your patience. I know
Speaker 1: I've given a lot of the callers a little extra time,
Speaker 1: but you go right ahead.
Speaker 9: You're on No.
Speaker 8: I really appreciate you taking my call. I guess three
Speaker 8: times in a row. It's lucky charm because I'm a
Speaker 8: first time caller.
Speaker 9: Also, Whoay Dawkin?
Speaker 1: Three calls this very hour. Excellent, Go right ahead. What's
Speaker 1: what's what prompts you to call tonight? Would you like
Speaker 1: to say you're you got the microphone? Kim?
Speaker 8: Well, I appreciate it because I am beyond excited that
Speaker 8: you brought up the subject of illegal immigrants this evening.
Speaker 8: I am originally from the UK and I was lucky
Speaker 8: enough to come over with my family under a work
Speaker 8: visa for my dad and went through the whole process
Speaker 8: completely legally. And while I still had my green card,
Speaker 8: I was in my teens and dropped out of high school.
Speaker 8: I got myself into drugs and went down a bad road.
Speaker 8: I got caught with marijuana. That was the only charge,
Speaker 8: but it wasn't legal we had in Massachusetts. But no
Speaker 8: matter what, it's illegal federally. So that puts me up
Speaker 8: for deportations today.
Speaker 1: By the way. You today, by the way, if you'll
Speaker 1: come with marijuana, you get a boy scout or a
Speaker 1: girl scout. Bret Badge goldably getting.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 8: So as I'm awaiting to get my citizenship, I now
Speaker 8: have to wait at a time period. I get involved with
Speaker 8: harder things and more trouble. Did not play it smart.
Speaker 8: I took being in this country completely for granted. In
Speaker 8: the process I was going through completely lucky that I'm
Speaker 8: one of those white blonde hair people. You know that
Speaker 8: no one would look twice if I walked by them
Speaker 8: on a street. So long story short, all my family
Speaker 8: members became citizens and I was the only one that
Speaker 8: did not, and I ended up having to face a
Speaker 8: federal judge for deportation, and I at this time had
Speaker 8: a daughter, and I had to go in front of
Speaker 8: them and say clame hardship and say yes, I would
Speaker 8: go back to do you him leave my child here
Speaker 8: because she's American. It was really hard to do and
Speaker 8: luckily they kept me here. And ever since that, I've
Speaker 8: definitely not taken it for granted. I'm officially a US citizen.
Speaker 8: Now I've also walked more into it. It's a long process,
Speaker 8: it's a lot of money. So people that don't have
Speaker 8: it easy like I did, and they're escaping like traumatic
Speaker 8: situations or whatever their situation is. It's not always drugs.
Speaker 8: They are coming here and they don't have the funds
Speaker 8: to go through the legal process.
Speaker 1: Or can I just jump in for one second and
Speaker 1: give you what I think is a simple solution. Here's
Speaker 1: a simple solution. Take all the money that this country
Speaker 1: is spending on people who are here illegally, which is
Speaker 1: billions upon billions, if not trillions of dollars, and say
Speaker 1: to people, look, uh, if you go back to your
Speaker 1: home country and you come back here legally, we we
Speaker 1: will we will take the money that we're wasting, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to deport people or whatever. There's there's ways to
Speaker 1: induce people to do it legally, but I what I
Speaker 1: want is that people who come back. I want to
Speaker 1: have people come back who are going to be able
Speaker 1: to contribute to our society. We have people coming in
Speaker 1: this country who are killing young women, who are raping women,
Speaker 1: who are killing young men, who are who are drug mules.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to be someone who smoked pot that
Speaker 1: is now perfectly legal in Massachusetts, but it's quite another
Speaker 1: thing if you're coming in here and you're deal in fentanyl.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a that's a drug that kills people.
Speaker 1: So I just think that if we sat back and
Speaker 1: we looked, and we had people to goodwill from both parties,
Speaker 1: we could come up and I think you and I
Speaker 1: could be involved in that process if they wanted to
Speaker 1: have a couple of citizens and come up and figure
Speaker 1: out a way in which people who are coming in
Speaker 1: here and want to do the right thing. And many
Speaker 1: many of them who are coming in are going to
Speaker 1: work manual labor, manual jobs. They don't have big college educations.
Speaker 1: Give them a break on the cost and the process.
Speaker 1: And also I just think they would solve two problems.
Speaker 1: It would get more people in here legally and would
Speaker 1: save the money that were chasing people who were here illegally.
Speaker 8: So I absolutely love what you just said. However, in
Speaker 8: my own opinion, yep, I there are people born in
Speaker 8: the United States of America every single day that grow
Speaker 8: up to rate children and kill people. It's everywhere in
Speaker 8: the world. My child's father right now, who is a
Speaker 8: born US that is a and is incarcerated right now
Speaker 8: for multiple charges, and they keep adding up while he's
Speaker 8: in there, but completely which is great. He's here, he's
Speaker 8: he's a born US citizen now. But what I'm granted
Speaker 8: my charges are technically highly criminal charges to the government
Speaker 8: that was you.
Speaker 1: Got you gotta you gotta break. Okay, you've got to break.
Speaker 1: I get that. But the problem, here's the problem. If
Speaker 1: if your ex, let us say, had killed someone, that
Speaker 1: would have been a crime committed by US citizen. Now,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that we can do to a US citizen
Speaker 1: ahead of time. If you if you came to me
Speaker 1: and I was the head of the FBI, and if
Speaker 1: you said, look, I married this guy. He's a bum.
Speaker 1: He's going to kill somebody at some point we can't
Speaker 1: do anything about that. We can't say, well, let's throw
Speaker 1: this guy in jail for life because he may be
Speaker 1: a killer, you know that. But the people who committed
Speaker 1: the country and who kill Americans who come here who
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been here in the first place, that's a
Speaker 1: preventable death, that's a preventable rape.
Speaker 8: But how do you separate the people that shouldn't have
Speaker 8: been here in the first place?
Speaker 1: Very simple. I have a simple answer for that. I
Speaker 1: have I have a simple answer for that.
Speaker 8: Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker 1: Well, you have an immigration process, and you do you
Speaker 1: do a background check, you find out, okay, where are
Speaker 1: they coming from? Why are you coming here?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 1: You have them go to the US console in wherever
Speaker 1: they are, whether they're in England or they're in Ethiopia,
Speaker 1: and they have a conversation with the console and then
Speaker 1: they find out. If that then they have to, you know,
Speaker 1: comply with other regulations to file the proper paperwork prove
Speaker 1: to us that they're coming here. They can do something.
Speaker 1: If somebody shows up and says, look, I'm eighty nine
Speaker 1: years old, I I've had three heart attacks and I
Speaker 1: want to go to America's so I can get heart surgery.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's someone who I'm going to
Speaker 1: say should come here as an immigrant, even though they're
Speaker 1: eighty nine years old. Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: I do know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: If somebody comes here, shows up from the Dominican Republic,
Speaker 1: it says I have no work skills, but I will work.
Speaker 1: I will clean toilets, which by the way, I did
Speaker 1: when I was in college. I will pick blueberries, I
Speaker 1: will pick strawberries. I will do whatever I have to do.
Speaker 1: I will clean, I will mob Floy's. I want that
Speaker 1: person to committee it because we need people to do that.
Speaker 8: No, absolutely, I mean I was shocked because I found
Speaker 8: out a neighbor of mine is from Albania and they
Speaker 8: have to do a lottery top.
Speaker 1: Yes they do.
Speaker 8: They comes to the United States. I had no idea if.
Speaker 1: If if they're doing it, if well, Kim, if they're
Speaker 1: doing it legally.
Speaker 8: If you're doing it legally, they're lottery process. And he
Speaker 8: was telling the lottery process, you get picked, but that
Speaker 8: doesn't mean that you get to go. It means you're
Speaker 8: part of the lottery that might get to go. So
Speaker 8: that it is not able to wait that process and
Speaker 8: needs to exit immediately.
Speaker 1: We have we we have, we we have, we have
Speaker 1: that continguency covered, Kim. If if somebody has to exit
Speaker 1: a country because they they're in they're in fear of
Speaker 1: their life, and it's a genuine fear of their life,
Speaker 1: they can they can claim asylum and come here immediately.
Speaker 8: So that means that technically all these illegal immigrants.
Speaker 9: Could do that.
Speaker 1: No, they have to prove no, No, they.
Speaker 9: Have to prove true.
Speaker 1: How do you prove anything? In other words, you have
Speaker 1: to show up and you have to tell you story
Speaker 1: and it has to be found to be credible. You
Speaker 1: go to a port of entry and you say, I
Speaker 1: want to claim asylum, Kim, believe it or not. Trust me.
Speaker 1: I know this stuff. Okay.
Speaker 8: I know this stuff because I have.
Speaker 1: Been money so that there there were ways to do this. Okay,
Speaker 1: there were ways to do this. Do you know that
Speaker 1: we have assistant fried Ship. I'll give you an example
Speaker 1: which I love to give. I'm a lawyer, okay. I
Speaker 1: happen to be Irish. Okay, bye bye. You know my background.
Speaker 1: I also have a dual citizenship, okay, because I had
Speaker 1: grandfathers who grandfather, who came here legally grandfather grandmother. So
Speaker 1: I have a dual citizenship. But if people were coming
Speaker 1: here and saying, hey, here i am, I'm Seamous and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a lawyer from Ireland. We got enough lawyers
Speaker 1: coming in this country, I would say, Seamous would love
Speaker 1: to have you. But you're gonna have to step to
Speaker 1: the line.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: If there's a nurse there from Bangladesh and a doctor
Speaker 1: from Pakistan. We need nurses and doctors. You put them
Speaker 1: to the head of the line. It's it's not brain surgery, Kim.
Speaker 1: We can do it.
Speaker 8: So it's kind of like a Titanic move. Who do
Speaker 8: you save off the ship?
Speaker 1: Isn't a question about saving We represent six percent of
Speaker 1: the world's population, Kim. It would be wonderful if I said,
Speaker 1: let's open up our borders and if you want to
Speaker 1: come to America, that's fine. It doesn't matter if you
Speaker 1: have any skills or anything like that. Come on, come on,
Speaker 1: just come on in. Everybody up in Canada you want
Speaker 1: to come in, Come on in Mexico, come on in.
Speaker 1: Just just flock over the border. That's what we've been
Speaker 1: doing for the last four years.
Speaker 8: I've been told my whole life, we're moving to America
Speaker 8: because there's more opportunity there.
Speaker 1: That's right, there is there is, but we have been
Speaker 1: we have a writer as a country. Look, Kim, we've
Speaker 1: gone eleven minutes, and I love to call, but I.
Speaker 8: Think were I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Kim, please call again and we'll talk again.
Speaker 1: Thanks very much. You two have a great night. Got
Speaker 1: to take a break. Patton Kingston's coming up. I got
Speaker 1: Low and Medford Linus and even gonna get you all
Speaker 1: in David rent them. I promise no more ten minute
Speaker 1: phone calls. Okay. We're going to try to keep everybody
Speaker 1: to three minutes. Okay, and if you if you can
Speaker 1: do that, it's going to be good for everybody. Coming
Speaker 1: back on Nightside. Now, back to Dan Ray live from
Speaker 1: the Window World Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio. All right,
Speaker 1: we've got to pick up the pace Patt and Kingston. Pat,
Speaker 1: I apologize for the amount of time you've had to wait.
Speaker 1: You next on Nightside, Dah and no worries.
Speaker 9: Great knowledge from a lot of your callers tonight. So
Speaker 9: let's just get right after the point here.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 5: I Oh, the media says the court trying to do on
Speaker 5: the right thing. They're releasing all these individuals. Well, let's
Speaker 5: look at the big picture of ICE is not in
Speaker 5: the courthouse. If ICE is on site, we can give
Speaker 5: them the individual the asked for. If they make a
Speaker 5: phone call and be like we'll be there in twenty
Speaker 5: five minutes, thirty minutes, guess what, we released them. We
Speaker 5: let them out into the public.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 9: We don't hold them if there's no If they come
Speaker 9: in with a detainer, then we hold them. If you're
Speaker 9: on site, if you're not in the courthouse, it's at
Speaker 9: that present time, goodbye, you're out the door.
Speaker 1: That's the Massachusetts policy. Okay. Under a very confusing decision
Speaker 1: called the lun decision from twenty seventeen. The fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is if if let us say, ICE picks
Speaker 1: up someone. First of all, you know, let's say a
Speaker 1: local state, a local police department picks up someone and
Speaker 1: they are charged with a crime, all right, I think
Speaker 1: that that police department should have the ability to find
Speaker 1: out who is this person, what other crimes may have
Speaker 1: they committed, And in the meantime they contact federal authorities
Speaker 1: and say, hey, look, do you have anything on this
Speaker 1: person and you're interested in them. If the if the
Speaker 1: government says, look, you know, the guys a pickpocket, We
Speaker 1: don't have time to come over and pick them up. Fine,
Speaker 1: you let them go. But if all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the government says, look, this guy is suspected in a
Speaker 1: murder in Maryland, he suspected an armed robbery in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: we'd like to come over and get him. Well, if
Speaker 1: the police department says, you know, come over and you've
Speaker 1: got to be here in five minutes, that's not possible.
Speaker 1: There was one example that was that was pointed out
Speaker 1: today where Ice called and they sent six agents to
Speaker 1: get the guy. They could have kept him inside the building.
Speaker 1: They let him walk out the door, and once he
Speaker 1: walked out the door, he wanted to fight the six
Speaker 1: Ice guys. I mean, it's like, why do we want
Speaker 1: to make it difficult for law enforcement at any level
Speaker 1: in America to do their job.
Speaker 9: So you're saying police department, So I'm talking about the courts,
Speaker 9: which I have great knowledge of, and we can talk
Speaker 9: offline if you want. But once the police department drops
Speaker 9: said person off, Ice already knows. Ice makes the phone
Speaker 9: call to the courthouse and says, Hey, I'm coming to
Speaker 9: pick up Xyz. I'm in the parking lot. If the
Speaker 9: courthouse lets that person go, he comes in the lock up,
Speaker 9: takes that person out the side door. Game is over.
Speaker 9: But the problem is the media sits there and they say, oh,
Speaker 9: stir less him or her go, Well.
Speaker 1: You have you have these, you have the case. Look,
Speaker 1: if you're a lawyer in Massachusetts, I assume you're you're
Speaker 1: familiar the case of Judge Shelley Joseph in Newton. Correct,
Speaker 1: you know that case. So if you have an ICE
Speaker 1: officer in the you have an ICE officer in the
Speaker 1: courtroom waiting to grab this guy. She told her bailiff
Speaker 1: go down and tell the ICE officer in the back
Speaker 1: of the courtroom to go into the lobby, a court officer, bailiff, whatever.
Speaker 1: So the court officer goes lobby, comes back, and the
Speaker 1: judge turns off the recording for like fifty two seconds,
Speaker 1: there's a conversation and she instructs the court officer walked
Speaker 1: the guy out the back door.
Speaker 9: Come on, and Dan, I can't speak for that, but
Speaker 9: the policy is, if ICE is on site, we are
Speaker 9: required to bring ice in the lock up. That person
Speaker 9: goes out the side door.
Speaker 1: Well, again, I think you treat What I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say to you was I think you treat each person differently.
Speaker 9: If you got somebody there negative negative, negative, it doesn't
Speaker 9: work like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe it should work like it should work like I.
Speaker 9: Know, if they come in they say I have a
Speaker 9: detainer for X, y Z, and that person is released,
Speaker 9: they come in, take that person and they go with them.
Speaker 1: You know what you know? Pat? Then look, we're talking
Speaker 1: about two different things here. I think No, I think
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 9: You're a lawyer, Dan, I know you're a lawyer, and
Speaker 9: you're a lawyer.
Speaker 1: That's fair, so we can talk as lawyers. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: familiar with the lun decision, right, correct? Okay, you know
Speaker 1: what that decision is clearly. When was the last time
Speaker 1: you read it.
Speaker 9: Last week?
Speaker 1: Okay? Well I read it a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: so we were both readed. Okay, if you can understand
Speaker 1: that decision clearly. Uh, I want to know, every one
Speaker 1: of these cases is different. So if you have some
Speaker 1: guy in there who's in for overdue parking tickets, uh,
Speaker 1: that's it. They're not going to be calling ICE for
Speaker 1: someone like that. ICE has to get notified by one.
Speaker 1: And if you have, you've you've seen stories where people
Speaker 1: are are basically they don't even call ICE, or if
Speaker 1: they call ICE, ICE says, look, I need a couple,
Speaker 1: We need a couple of ours to get over there.
Speaker 1: And if the person is charged with a serious crime,
Speaker 1: if they're in there and they're charged with a murder
Speaker 1: or something like that, you've got to treat that person
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. You can still give them due process,
Speaker 1: because I know that's what you're going with your argument.
Speaker 1: You still give them due process. You say to Ice, Okay, here,
Speaker 1: you got them. You figure out what you want to
Speaker 1: do with them. And if if they want to get
Speaker 1: a lawyer and go back and try to try to
Speaker 1: seek a haavieor's corpus in federal court or whatever, you
Speaker 1: can have a You can't just say everybody, it's it's
Speaker 1: all all. It's like all the all the entry. Let's
Speaker 1: open the gate and let everybody out.
Speaker 9: Our system is one. I test be on site at
Speaker 9: the courthouse.
Speaker 1: Who decided that decided that? Who decided that federal federal court.
Speaker 1: That's not the SID that's not that's not no. Come on,
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about. That's not decided.
Speaker 1: It's a Massachusetts. It's a Massachusetts. Well, Pat, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you waited, but we went seven minutes and I'm flat
Speaker 1: out of Tome. I apologize. Call again, We'll continue our conversation. Okay,
Speaker 1: like to.
Speaker 9: Take that personnel that great, have a great night.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with Massachusetts right now. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let them all go, simple as that.
Speaker 1: If you agree with Pat, call in and tell me how,
Speaker 1: how how good uh that policy is. They do it
Speaker 1: differently in different states. Back on Nightside after this