Speaker 1: Errors and in.
Speaker 2: Sense and drugs, and then the revelation at the end
of the all.
Speaker 3: Reality is just one, it is being itself.
Speaker 1: Look within you that that's the great us. By the way,
to be one of the misty eye.
Speaker 3: You study for like twenty.
Speaker 1: Th years, what if it's like a giant.
Speaker 2: It's like an ancient super scam right, like you studied
for twenty thirty years. And then the mystery the same
ship that just says.
Speaker 3: You, old letter, it's amazing, just like a whoa, bro,
Just just look in the mirror, Bro, just look in
the mirror. You're literally everything. You are everything, You are everything.
So that's uh it got you were Johnny Utah? Are
you kidding me? Well, you don't even know his name,
Johnny Utah. Yeah, except it was what literally me said
to literally me, because I'm everything and everyone, I'm everything
and everyone based and you're everything and everyone cringed, And
I just manifested you to I only manifested you to
make Yeah, I only I only manifested you so that
I could remind myself of my base. The cosmic baseness
is what they call me.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I'm gonna I'm invoking Ali against you.
Speaker 1: So Ali will strike you from the heavens.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have like Iranian sempters raining down on you
from the heavens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I would have manifested that too, and I'll
just unmanifest it so you can't do anything about it.
Bye bye, unmanifested that. All right, We're good now, Jay's unmuted.
Jay was just preaching to me from his his new
his new books. He's kind of workings where he's running
his script for the new cult he's building. It's going
to be based on the works of Gerchief, which a
little with a little bit of Terrence McKenna. I was.
I was pitching him on how he has to use
our newly discovered Terrence McKenna psychological manipulation technique of convincing
the women that all the men in the world are
toxic and that we need to get rid of them
in order that we can be the only men, so
that we can be in charge of of course, lovingly
and philanthropically helping to service all of.
Speaker 1: The lazers roundabout way of spitting game.
Speaker 2: But I'll give Terrence McKenna some credit for that. He's
got that death cult game going on, right, He's like
he's spitting game and he realizes that I can just
get rid of all the men.
Speaker 1: Bro it's me and like a zillion women.
Speaker 4: All of the people that make me feel uncomfortable should
not exist because I am the center of the I
am in the center of the eye of the third
eye of the cosmic Buddha in the universe.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, obviously, Yeah, I'm here evident until now and
I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's show self evident. I'm here with Jay Dire
a K A body, a K A Johnny Utah a
k A young boomer you all you all know Jay Dyer,
right you titled titles, many titles. He is a He's
a bondologist. He's a James Bondologist. He did his seventh
or eighth PhD. I forget which one in in Bondology
under greg correct, Yeah, under doctor Gregor. In Advanced bond Studies.
Also uh, Bond Girl Studies, which is now bond Women's Studies.
Uh with an X instead of an O.
Speaker 1: Obviously you want to know what's funny about that? Is?
I kid you not?
Speaker 2: Because I'd buy a whole lot of Bondology studies. You
can as you can imagine, as we get more and
more contemporary. The Bond studies turn in more and more
into queer theory and Bond male toxic masculinity and Bond
that's all.
Speaker 3: About for sure. Well you see you see this in
the media dialogue concerning the new Bond films when they
come out. That's always a part of it of like
when are we going to get a black man? Like
when are we going to get a black woman? And
the last one I didn't see the last one, did
you like the most recent one that was released.
Speaker 2: I mean, as a movie, it was a it was
an okay film, but I mean the whole purpose of
No Time to Die was like, hey, old white man
in your colonization, it's time for you to die.
Speaker 1: Bro. That was that's for me.
Speaker 3: So as Terrence McKenna wrote that, And I will be
in charge of all the Bond ladies and they will
be be badonka dunk wielding black ladies.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And his poly poly coo yeah is what was it
a quintuple or an octuple or something. Yeah, That's that's
what I was gonna say. It seemed it seemed like
the dialogue was all about well, out with you and
out with the old and with the new we need
a we need a black woman to be.
Speaker 2: The actually, yeah, the lead female character in I mean
they had two or three Bond girls as usual in
in the the new one. Who's that Latino chick that
everybody thinks is hot? You know, the girl from Blake
Brounder twenty forty nine. She's the operating system girlfriend of Yeah,
literally mean's girlfriend.
Speaker 3: And there she and a Dharmas.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's her, she's in it.
Speaker 2: But then the other Bond girl is the black girl
that you're talking about, and she's the new double oh
seven in the story. So yeah, story, long story short,
Bond dies and then it passes on to baysed Black women.
Speaker 3: Is she even? Does she have herdeeming qualities in the field? Like,
what are her supposed She's not like sassy or something?
Speaker 2: Is she she's sassy black woman?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? They made her sassy? She's English?
Speaker 1: She talked ship to James Bond.
Speaker 3: But she's English, or she like an American.
Speaker 1: She's British, or she's from Botswana.
Speaker 2: He goes to it's there's a nod to GoldenEye, which
is Ian Fleming's estate in Jamaica.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's actually what he called a state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bond, my mom's been to It's pretty cool. Uh
So she Bond goes in the movie to Jamaica as
a nod to that, and then that's where he meets her.
Speaker 1: I can't remember she's Jamaican or British. I think she's British.
Speaker 3: Would be so funny if she was Jamaican. But she
would like, big up, big up to the James Bond. James,
but why you be up?
Speaker 5: She was like a roster assassin, James Bomb, James Bumber
clad more like a James Bomber clap.
Speaker 2: We say, me only killing the people that Barbylon tells
me to kill.
Speaker 1: Even though I'm working for Babylon, I'm also gonna fight it.
Speaker 5: We got you call him James Bond, We call him
James Barbylon Man, James b Bobbylon system. They keep James Bond.
They make James Bond and white devil, a bald head.
You're the bald head, white devil. James Bond were the
true black, were the true black queen of this place.
Speaker 3: Queen Elizabeth, she really a black woman. She's black exactly.
All the hair.
Speaker 2: Was sharing the old the classic icons or black people
stuff today.
Speaker 5: Look at it.
Speaker 3: What that is? That's a black man? Yeah, yeah, wool
and here wool hair is wooly. Who has wooly hair? Dude,
He's like two steps away from like, you're gonna be
my slave, Jay Die, you can be my slave in
the after life, white devil, will we take over you
be my slave? Kiss my boot, Jay Dayah pledge allegiance
to the to the black Hebrew is reeal lights.
Speaker 2: The one is that you can tell like his extreme
arrogance is what keeps him so stupid.
Speaker 1: He's like the greatest dunning Krigger of all time.
Speaker 3: I love it a character. Yeah, guys, we got a
fun show tonight. Uh, thanks for coming on, Jay, I
always appreciate it. The biggest figgots always demand this. They
demand the man these more, almost more than anything. So
we gotta do some more movie reviews soon too. And
I'd like to talk about words more.
Speaker 2: Than words, to show you how you that's your love
for me?
Speaker 1: You remember extreme? What what.
Speaker 3: Say? It's just like one of these eighteen thirty songs
from your childhood, Jay, more than words.
Speaker 1: You don't know that song. I don't know. Oh my goodness,
you're a freaking millennial. You know that song?
Speaker 3: Actually, no, who is that is? Like ninety eight degrees
or something? Is that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: You have to I literally don't do you.
Speaker 2: Know all these nineties songs and then whenever I start
singing them, you're like, never heard of it?
Speaker 3: Just gaslight you into thinking acting no. It's like an
automatic reaction. It's you know, my my as the as
the what was that the sex positive psychotherapist we saw
last night? I was a full body no when Jay
thinks full body no, no, I legit have never heard
that song though.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean it only has almost one billion views.
Extreme more than words those two long haired nineties dudes.
Speaker 3: I'm a trad millennial. I know two bands, Creed and Creed.
Speaker 2: Okay, this would be like ninety ninety one, ninety two?
How old were you even? Were you like four nineteen
ninety one?
Speaker 3: I don't even know, No, Jay, I was four and
a half.
Speaker 2: Probably many of the audience will know more than words
by extreme.
Speaker 1: I guarantee that.
Speaker 3: Extreme. That's wait. No, I would I I wouldn't remember
songs from when I was actually when I was four,
but like mid nineties, when when you get to ninety six,
ninety seven I'd remember a lot of the pop songs.
Speaker 1: This is like ninety one, two three when there.
Speaker 3: It was before my before my days, my friend, that
was my you know, I was, I was. I was
watching Sesame Street freaking What else was I I don't
know what I was consuming media, I was consuming what.
Speaker 1: I will assure you that if you you you will
probably like that song. I don't care for it, but
I it's a it's a Tristan.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this song suck. But you'll probably know this
song is awful and everybody that likes it sucks, so
you'd probably really like it.
Speaker 1: You're the only thing you would say.
Speaker 3: This is exactly what the type of thing that you
would say. Well, so, on orders from my our KGB handlers,
we are here to discuss the recent revelations and how
these kind of tie in with historical use of mass
media for psychological operations, cultural engineering, steering people socially politically.
And you know who better to have on and talk
about some of this stuff than mister j Di er
KGB sorcerer himself. So yeah, we got did you get
a chance to read any of that indictment? Uh, the
indictment which was not actually levied at Tim Poole or
even Lauren chen The The indictment was of two people,
two Russians, that were going under pseudonyms and allegedly funding
that YouTube channel called Tenant Meetia. The funded this YouTube
channel called Tenant Media and apparently allegedly the owners of
these companies of this company. I think there were actually
two companies that were being used to push money into
this YouTube channel, which actually when you look at the
channel didn't have that many views considering the people that
were involved with it. Tim Poole came out today. He
talked to Ben Shapiro. He's one of Jay's heroes.
Speaker 1: He's like, Jay models his whole I call it Ben.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's Jay's north star, so he's he really looks
up to him, and so he was. He talked to
Ben's Shapiro, a shape hero as Jay calls him, and
he said that, well, all we did was actually licensed
content that we already had on our Culture War channel
that would then be also on the Tenet Media channel,
and they got a certain amount of money for it,
which seems like for what Tim Poole's doing and for
what his operation has is scaled at, it was kind
of minuscule. From what Pool said, It's like it was
kind of inconsequential money now to somebody like not somebody
like Jay, because Jay, I mean, I mean, look at
look at the guy. Look at the shirt I mean
he's wearing. I mean that that shirt. Yeah, look at
that Rolex he's got, Like we don't you know, look
at the shirt.
Speaker 1: Is the AOC model of a Movado That.
Speaker 3: Is not a Rolex AOC fud Look it up.
Speaker 1: I have the same watch as AOC. I'm proud of that.
I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you as well, my friend. So, yeah,
it was. It was inconsequential amount of money for for
mister Tim Poole. But allegedly the owners of the company
that were funding this YouTube channel, Tenant Media, were getting
Russian money. We're told this is Russian money, and apparently
this is enough to make somebody a Russian agent. Right,
So if you if you got money from any Russian
for any business dealing at all, apparently you're you're now
a Russian agent. We've got people jumping all over the
anybody who's got an ax to grind with Tim Poole
And I'm not here like trying to like show for
Tim Poole. Nor am I here to hate on Tim Poole,
But uh, you know, everybody, you got guys like Hassan Destiny.
If you search, you know Tim Poole Russian On YouTube,
the top videos that are popping up are you know
Vousch Hassan and Destiny saying oh he knew it. He's
a Russian agent. He's a Russian agent. We gotta you know,
we got to back Ukraine. You know Slava Ucraney, you
know Glori. It is reel. So this is this is
the narrative that's coming out now, there's this DJ indictment
that is causing a big hullabaloo, and we've got essentially
a new Russia Gate. So I think that's that's a
basic outline of it. Most of the details that I'm
familiar with. I was looking at the indictment earlier. It
seems rather tame. There are some d ms from Discord
included there which the media is trying to portray this
as all they're openly shilling for Russia, and uh yeah,
I to me it seems a little bit ridiculous. But
await for more information to come out and see what.
I'd like to see what Chen has to say, what
Lauren Chen has to say. Everybody, not everybody, but a
lot of people are jumping all over and acting like, oh, well,
she's clearly a subversive agent. And the people who are
on the some of the people who are on the right,
are saying, well, she was put in there to create
division right before the election and try and sway certain
voters using single issue wedges to not vote at all
and abstain from voting for Trump, which would then in
turn benefit Kamala. The people like Vausch and all these
other vous destiny Hassan MSNBCCNN type people are saying, well,
this is clearly showing that everybody on the right wing,
anybody that opposes us sending seven trillion dollars to Ukraine
every month, and anybody who's vaguely critical of the actions
of Israel, these people are all Russian shills, and the
Russians are directly paying them in order to get Donald
Trump elected. It's a whole new Russian gate thing. So
those that's a basic overview of the narrative. There anything
I forgot there, Jay, Then you've seen about this.
Speaker 2: No, I think that covers the overview. Do you want
to get into the specifics or do anything else?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Either way. I mean, as this whole case is
somewhat interesting, but I think it really illustrates kind of
the broader mechanisms for discrediting, creating disunity among certain political fronts,
and you know, swaying the behavioral people.
Speaker 2: Let's think back to say ten twelve years ago, maybe
even fifteen years ago, in terms of what was allowed
for American media. If there was this serious threat, why
did the West? Why did the US allow RT to
operate so freely and so widely, giving it a massive
platform on YouTube for many many years, if and everyone
knew that RT was Russian state media. I mean, it's
almost like this was allowed to happen and then they
kind of let it sit there, and they let the
influence happen as far as they perhaps wanted it to
be there so that then they could crack down on
it and then use it as an excuse. Because if
you remember, over the years, everybody from Larry King, Larry
King had a show, You had people who left CNN
who would go to the anchors at RT. You people
leave our t to go be in American pro American media.
Speaker 1: I can think of.
Speaker 2: Tons and tons of Alice Jones has been on our
team many times over the years. So this was never
an issue until it became politically useful to say when
they concoct the whole Russian hoax narrative in twenty sixteen
that Donald Trump had been at some point compromised. And
we know that the Steele dossier was drawn up by
former British intelligence people as a complete hoax.
Speaker 1: It was entirely fabricated.
Speaker 2: The original story actually related to a place, a hotel
that the Obamas had stayed in. Now that doesn't mean
that Obama was involved in some peace situation, but I
wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well you were. I remember. The details were
incredibly degenerate, right, It was kind of it was like
this this crazy, you know, twisted fan fiction, highly pornographic
of Trump doing gross stuff in a hotel room with
some with some ladies of the night.
Speaker 2: And this was admitted eventually to be wholly concocted by
Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence operator who was obviously
just working with Democrats in the US to concoct this
kind of a nonsense story.
Speaker 1: And that goes back to the shows.
Speaker 3: The international collusion there. I mean, so you've got you've
got collusion of British intelligence, you know, us the law enforcement.
So now that's not foreign interference though, right when you've
got British agents, that's fine. These are our friends, they
are you know, we've got our greatest ally who's also
you know, beyond reproach as far as funding media operations.
You know, it's very hypocritical the way that this is
being that this is being selectively used for selective outrage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that will tie in, uh to the espionage
side of this, because the entire apparatus of the OS
S and c A are set up by British intelligence operators.
It's set up by literally Ian Fleming, Bill Donovan, Noel Coward,
the playwright, and other people who came over WILLIAMS. Stevenson
from Canadian British intelligence who came and basically told Bill
Donovan how to set up this British version of an
intelligence apparatus.
Speaker 1: So again, the CIA has.
Speaker 2: This long standing special relationship as it's called, with the UK.
But again, like you said, that's not foreign interference when
other nation states that you can think of in the
Middle East, and I don't just mean Israel, the Arab
States also the Saudis promote, for example, Islam at a
very wide scale in America and on social media. That's
not for an different Remember all the pay to play
scandals for Hillary's campaign. It came out that all these dictators,
Katari dictators, basically paying into Hillary's campaign. And then when
Hillary took the office, she was going to divide up
whatever country she went into, destroy and you know, piece
millhand it out to these these various Arab states.
Speaker 3: So you know, this is like there are our allies.
Speaker 2: So that's okay, right, okay, So if you're an ally,
then it's fine. You can totally, you know, interfere in
the elections all you want.
Speaker 1: And that's the point.
Speaker 3: That's that's real. Hold on, let me, let me reinforcing
democracy exactly, reinforcing the democracy.
Speaker 2: But wait a minute, Saudi Araby, I'm pretty sure isn't
a democracy.
Speaker 1: But you know, like, wait a.
Speaker 3: Minute, well I thought its racist. All right, let's we
don't have to be racist about it. I mean there's
cultural differences and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so those are the good Muslims, the good Salafi
Muslims like Jake and Daniel Ober and Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: They're the good guys.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, they helped fight the Soviets in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 2: Even though they're also the bad guys in World Trades
Center nineteen ninety three in the Big nine event, they're
also still the good guys at the same time, right,
help me understand that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think, Uh, I don't even know what the
excuse would be there, like a high level of cognitive
dissonance there. I can't even I can't even.
Speaker 2: Role plays right because the Goldstein is like a hero,
but then he's a terror man and then he's a.
Speaker 3: Course, It's like, of course, yeah, I've bin Laden was
very much, very much that character. Mh.
Speaker 1: I got way too ahead of that.
Speaker 3: It was good. That's It's all actually very relevant here.
I mean you mentioned the Saudist I mean what about Well, now,
what we're seeing with this setup of what we're supposed
to be. First of all, we're supposed to believe that
we're mortal enemies with Russia, right Russia. We're basically there's
this underlying assumption and this kind of presupposition that we're
basically at war with Russia, like as like the whole
of the West is at war with Russia. Ukraine, you know,
we're acting almost like Ukraine. It's like some sort of
a vassal state of the US and name Block. So
I think that's pretty interesting. And then also he got
the son of the sitting president involved in massive billions
and billions of dollars of business deals with Barismo over
there in Ukraine. You've got Biden bragging before the Council
and was a Council on Foreign Relations, and that infamous
clip where he brags about uh saying he's gonna stop
this IMF money from getting to Ukraine unless they fire
the prosecutor. That was kind of sniffing up the bomb
of of of Hunter concerning the sketchy stuff that they
were involved in. But yeah, in front of camera fired. Yeah.
So but no, this is not collusion. This has nothing.
You know, that's that's reinforcing.
Speaker 1: Nothing going on. Why would you think there's something going
on there.
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying that's not I'm saying this is normal,
this is good, it's clearly fine. He also his his
dealings with China, with Jina, you know, I mean the
business dealings with China that are being done with the
back room stuff with certain political families, you know, the
sitting president and his son as well. So there's this
stuff is supposed to be overlooked, I mean a gain.
We're also supposed to pretend that China is somehow mortal
enemy of the US, and that China, you know, there's
this imminent war with China that's been kind of the
neocons have been pushing for this idea for a long time.
Speaker 1: But you'll know that this is kind there once again
the DNC.
Speaker 2: And you know, going through Whitney Webb's book that the
chapter on the relationship of the DNC going back to
the Clinton period in what many people have forgotten or
if they're too young, they don't know about Chinagate. Chinagate
was a big deal in the nineties during Clinton administration
because all these scandals were coming out that at that time,
the Clinton circles had already well established themselves with Chinese spies,
Chinese operatives, Chinese people coming over here and pushing scams,
ponze scenes, all this kind of stuff. And I remember
at the time there was like neo con outlets and
conservative outlets that didn't like the Clinton's talking about how.
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton's transferring our technology to China and sending it,
and which I don't doubt.
Speaker 2: But when you really dig into it, if you read
that chapter in Whitney's book about the DNC in China
and China Gate, now that a lot of this makes
sense because it's the same situation with the what you
see with Hunter and all these people in not just China,
but also, like you said, in Ukraine with Barisma.
Speaker 3: So it's a really good boat man. And then when
you look at the cultural the downstream cultural engineering effects
of this, I mean, mass media didn't really cover China
Gate to a great extent, right, I mean, there wasn't
much criticism of the Clinton's.
Speaker 2: Actually no, I mean it's just different because it's hard
to say. I don't remember I remember it being discussed
on like CNN stuff. And when I went and looked
this up the other day, I did find old CNN.
Speaker 1: Articles of old BBC articles. But like in nineteen ninety seven,
eight ninety nine, like not many people were reading the internet.
Speaker 3: You know, the Watergate. The whole Watergate situation was not Watergate?
What was the other one? Not Watergate? With that hotel property.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the Clinton property scandals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there was a they had, there was a
gate behind it. It was think about it, I'm thinking watergate,
not Watergate.
Speaker 2: I thought that that had to do with like Clinton
in Arkansas, land deals.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, land deals and there was some resort type
thing or hotel there. It was there was that took
up a lot more media attention. And then I don't
know if that was at the same time as China Gate,
but that that was a big deal in the nineties.
And it's you know, sometimes these little scandals that actually
get focused on are kind of just there to distract
you from things that you maybe would be a big deal,
right like when you think about China Gate and the
repercussions of this for the American middle class with Walmart, uh,
the the massive explosion of Walmart, Costco, Sam's Club, all
these things with huge imports from China with very low
import duties, the offshore manufacturing that really started kickstarting NAFTA,
the NAFTA Super Highway, stuff that they were trying to
get pushed through. This had huge effects of the US
economy on the way of life in America and just.
Speaker 2: Right trying it was to be really precise, the nineteen
ninety six campaign finance controversy that China was giving money
to the Clintons to help get them elected.
Speaker 1: I mean, talk about like scandal.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, right, that's insane, But it makes a lot
of sense when you see like what happened with the
whole NAFTA deal and what a shift we saw on
the culture. I mean, you wouldn't have had you wouldn't
have you probably wouldn't have never, would have never had
the opioid crisis. You know, if it weren't for Afghanistan
obviously in the Iraq War, but.
Speaker 1: Also White Waters were wide.
Speaker 3: Water, not Watergate, Whitewater, the Whitewater scandal. But yeah, you
wouldn't have had the opioid epidemic and it wouldn't have
been nearly as bad if the American jobs hadn't been
thrown off shore during the nineties, right.
Speaker 2: So I mean, now this was a time, this was
to the period for those that remember. And I was
talking to doctor James Lindsay about this at the event
that was at He had a really good insight on this.
Speaker 1: He said, if you think.
Speaker 2: About it, this was the time when you remember in
the nineteen eighties. If you go to Walmart, the big
sales pitch that they had was by American, made in America.
Speaker 1: It's all American.
Speaker 2: And this is right before when the Clintons come in,
then it all switches to everything goes over to China.
There's a book written by this published by the Spotlight.
I forget the name of the book, but that's who
did the Builderberg coverage, and they did the guy.
Speaker 1: That wrote the JFK.
Speaker 2: But Michael Collins Piper alleging that a certain medieval, certain
Middle East nation was behind the assassination of JFK. That's
a very famous book.
Speaker 3: So final what is it? What was it book?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I remember Grandma got me that book and like the.
Speaker 2: Same publisher, they did a book about how the deals
were set up to senttlement manufacturing over to China, specifically for.
Speaker 1: The Waltons and Walmart.
Speaker 2: So this this, I think that the Clinton period is
probably a key period for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crucial. And look how much our lives have
changed because of this. I mean we've you wouldn't have
the world yet today. So many of the issues that
we have economically in the US and the West direct
repercussions of this and these same you know, these same
people are still wielding power to a great extent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to bring it back to the sort of
inconsistency of this, I think, as like I said on Twitter,
when it comes to foreign nations and attempts to buy media,
influence and to have people, this is well known. Remember
some years ago there's some kerfluffle about Al Jazero.
Speaker 1: Al Jazeera is Arab owned, and they're pushing you know,
Arab pro Arab, pro Muslim, anti Israel rhetoric in the West.
So when it's convenient, it's a necessary thing to fuss about, right,
you follow me, It's absolutely this is well known. Right,
other medieval I keep saying medieval.
Speaker 2: Other Middle Eastern countries do the exact same thing by
influencing media people in America.
Speaker 3: Right right, Well, you know the APAC lobby like this,
I mean all this, the Israel lobby is huge. But
you know that's that's okay, they're an ally, right, But
clearly when with these other countries. You know, China is
okay as long as it's benefiting you know, some of
the people that are powerful within the US government. But
China is not okay in other context, when it's convenient
to make them the book man that we must you know,
prepare for war with and build up our surveillance state domestically. No,
it's good. It's completely inconsistent in every way.
Speaker 2: Exactly, so that what that shows you is that it's
rolled out when it's politically useful, because at any point,
like they could have said a long time ago, these
are foreign influence agents, right, and we can't have if
we and if we can't have that, then we're not
going to have Chinese foreign influence. We shouldn't have, you know,
pick any other what's the They went after press TV
too some years back, because that's Iran, right, Yeah, so
they really just sort of pick the ones that they
allow for a while and then decide, oh, now you're
a problem, so we're gonna ban press TV. We're gonna
ban our tea, but no banning of other opera other
entities that are obviously hostile to the West.
Speaker 3: Again, not not just even talk about you even talk
about their influence. And then you're you know, you're you're
a bad man. You want to you want to literally
bring about the death and destruction of entire people, your
you're racist, your anti you know, you're anti Amish, uh,
I mean it's very inconsistent.
Speaker 2: Just think about the mainstream narrative. Let's just go with
mainstream narratives.
Speaker 1: Right, So the Big Nine event was Saudi.
Speaker 3: This has been admitted, right, Well, the Saudis that were
dancing on the brit.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, I'm saying that just the mainstream exactly know,
we know those other narratives and background stuff, But I'm saying,
let's just go with what the mainstream has admitted about
the Saudi hijackers, right being involved in that event. Wouldn't
that constitute those people in that ideology being contrary to
American values into the West and yet.
Speaker 3: A few bad apples, There are a few bad apples.
Speaker 2: There's no complaints right about you know, Islam being pushed.
Speaker 1: Everywhere in America.
Speaker 2: So any way, but yeah, the excuse, of course will be,
as you said, well that they're allies right now.
Speaker 3: So yeah, what about maybe the neocons are down with
the Saudis now too. I mean that, well, Saudi Arabia
has made a major shift in their policy and they've
been very you know, they've been super soft and really
buddied up with, you know, with our greatest ally, so
I guess you know there there there seems to have
been a major shift there. I don't really know the
ins and outs of what goes on in Saudi Arabian politics.
Something teams that have happened, you know, something happened under
the Trump administration. Those are there are a lot a
lot of strange issues, a lot of weird events that
did go down, including well the sort of events you
don't really can't talk About'm.
Speaker 2: Just saying that based on the mainline narrative, wouldn't that
make them a an entity hostile to American interest?
Speaker 3: Of course? But like you said before, it's like it's complete,
you know, it's completely nineteen eighty four at this point.
You don't you don't even try to be consistent. You
just roll with the punches and then just pragmatically take
whatever position at the time will benefit you and help
you to wield more power, you know. I mean, it's
just a you see it in the way that these
leftists debate, you know, like they're they're the inconsistencies. They
don't care about it the truth, No, that doesn't matter, right,
They're they're in this post post truth reality where you know,
it's not about truth. It's about power.
Speaker 1: It's pure power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even debate, even interactions, it's only about
gaining the upper hand and optics and and displays of spectacle.
Nothing to do with you know, determining or delineating truth.
Speaker 3: Which you know, of course, the displays of spectacle. It's
a major espionage and you know it's a it's a
major tactic used in espionage. But then also kind of
has its roots in what we were talking about in
the very beginning. You know, before we started here, you
were talking about that that book on Western occultism and
Western esotericism and the roots of espionage are really are
kind of coming from that, right, John d talk about
this a lot is in your book as well, you know,
John Dee being the Queens, you know, top spy guy.
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for life. So, yeah, what's that book called Jay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a book that your buddy Doug Duncan
Trussell recommended.
Speaker 3: He's on the back of it, Duncan Trussle de trip.
Speaker 2: Buddy Duncan till it's called uh John b Empire of Angels,
Enochian Magic and the Occult Roots of the Modern World.
Speaker 3: Where did he go? Where Duncan Trussell go? That dude
used to be everywhere like three years ago you've gone now.
Speaker 2: But this is interesting because I haven't read this yet.
I just got it pretty recently. But it's pretty much
positive kind of what you're getting at that the way
that we think of the modern world kind of kind
of spins out of these occult movement movements who also
oftentimes were tied into espionage spy operations. And some people theorize,
for example, that the Enochian magic symbols that John D
was all into really might have just been ways to
write spy code to send it to Elizabeth. Of course,
he was Elizabeth's chief spy. Queen Elizabeth. So if you
see the pictures, the paintings of her with eyes all
over her, those famous paintings are her spies.
Speaker 1: She had a bass spy network.
Speaker 2: And this included I mean not just him, but other
I think Sir Walter Raleigh and other people that, by
the way, is where the term the world is not enough.
The bond phrase that comes from Sir Walter Raleigh. The
double O seven symbol comes from John D.
Speaker 1: It's his two balls and a cane, toulcane.
Speaker 3: That's what the ladies call meane they called you.
Speaker 1: Nevermind, go ahead, two.
Speaker 3: Small ball canes what they call you two balls too,
smalls they call it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you know there's a fascinating relationship between
these two worlds that I know you know about now
having known me the expert in this field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bondologists, James James, James James, is it James, Jim,
Jim Dyer, Jim Dryer. I forget I'm here with Jim Dryer, bondologist,
boomer fashion expert.
Speaker 1: This is a joke. I'm not. But there is a
field called bondology that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, if if there's anybody that should get an honorary
PhD in bondology. I mean, you definitely know more about
the bond flicks and it definitely studied the whole subject
more than anyone.
Speaker 2: The history part of it's interesting, But like I was
saying earlier, like when when it gets into queer theory
and toxic.
Speaker 3: Mass, I know, that's like my that's my stuff, that's
my bad.
Speaker 1: That's where you would step in as an expert.
Speaker 3: Obviously, obviously you have to tell me, dude, I know.
So yeah, you mentioned, you know, going back to John D.
This this occult influence in Western thought. You know, it
goes back to even pre Enlightenment, right, I mean John
D is kind of this like you know, what would
you call like Victorian era figures of the Victorian air
of the John D was Elizabethan era, and before this
you've got the Renaissance, And I've got a copy of
the book and I've yet to delve into it. But
the cult roots of the Renaissance or what is what
is the book called the Occult History of the Renaissance.
Speaker 1: I forget, there's the occult Enlightenment.
Speaker 3: The occult Enlightenment, but there's another one about the Renaissance.
I think that I've got a copy of that have
yet to delve into. But you know, I mean, you've
got this this resurgence of of paganism in the West
that came with the Renaissance that ended up leading to
the Enlightenment. The Father Sarah from Rose and his Orthodox
Survival course does a good job and kind of tracing
the roots of all these movements to the Great Schism
and schism leading to the enlighten Schism leading to the Renaissance,
the Renaissance leading to the Reformation, and of course many
of the enlightened Enlightenment thinkers and then the later revolutionaries
that came out of the Enlightenment loving and revering the
Protestant Reformation as being a sort of many Enlightenment, and
and of course this leading us to where we are today.
Where you've got you know, me as an expert in
bond study, bond gender studies.
Speaker 2: Well, Uh, Dame Francis Yates and her famous book Rosa
Cruscian Enlightenment. She begins the book with a chapter on
John D. So she points out John D is a
key figure.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And since reading this book, I kind of overlooked the
influence of Jacob Bowen, who is, by the way, Nicholas
Cage's favorite esotericis those who are.
Speaker 1: Interested out there?
Speaker 3: Whoa how wait?
Speaker 1: How do we know that he talks about an interview?
Speaker 3: How did that did that come up? Who's your who's
your favorite esotericist?
Speaker 1: Won't really been an interested in reading jacobime and the
Theologia Germanic just a wild guy, dude.
Speaker 2: Anyways, he really did talk about an interview. So Jacob
Oween is sort of the father of this idea of
Christian what's called Christian theosophy, and he posits this God
in process, so process philosophy from him then influences Hegel,
who influences Marx. So a lot of the Western philosophers
that we might not think of as being directly connected
this actually are especially Hegel. So Hegel, there would be
no Hegel without Jacob Oween in some of these other
Renaissance from Medicis and as you pointed out, the Neoplatonists
of the Renaissance as well.
Speaker 1: So that's a big, you know, pathway to where we
are today.
Speaker 2: As these figures they play into the Enlightenment or the
fine the Minds of Men book that you've covered, a
lot of those characters who were revolutionaries were also into
the occult. There's that great chapter in Firing the Minds
of Men on the pithe Rheans and the neo Platonists
that in influenced by shop to you know, create his
group and a lot of that, Yeah, a lot, a
lot of that involved spycraft and espionage.
Speaker 1: These revolutionary characters were were spies too, So.
Speaker 2: Really no different today, I guess, because to move it
up into the modern period you have Blovatski, who is
pretty clearly some time.
Speaker 1: She was eve. She was even believed by the multiple
British investigators.
Speaker 2: And whatnot at the time to be some kind of spy.
They thought she might be a Russian spy. But I
think it's more makes more sense, you know.
Speaker 3: I assume that it was confirmed that she was you know,
deeply steeped in espionage circles.
Speaker 2: But well, there the the accusation comes from people who
were connected with the British government who were in the
Psychical Research Society. So the problem is that Psychical Research
Society is not the most credible organs say because they're
but they have people in it who were connected with
the British government. But so what happens is Blavatski says
that she channeled all of these messages from the assented
masters and then the people at the Psychic Research Society.
This guy who was like a UK investigator guy was like,
wait a minute, this all sounds like her.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And by the way, what she doing when she goes
on these missions to the Himalayas and she's meeting with
KGB operatives.
Speaker 1: Like, h what that guy.
Speaker 2: Temple Roorick ror She would she would go and meet
with Rorica, not Temple.
Speaker 3: And uh.
Speaker 1: She is then accused of being a Russian spy.
Speaker 2: But in reality, I think Rotziu's analysis makes more sense
that no, she was going and meeting with KGB guys
because the Fabian socialists and the Rothschild circles liked the KGB.
Speaker 1: They weren't against the Soviets. And the Bolsheviks and all them. Hm,
So I think she was a Milner Fabian spy, not
a Russian spy.
Speaker 3: We got super chat here from Big Boss super chatting
through through the stream labs. Thanks a lot, Big Boss
to fifteen bucks. Is how exactly would Russia even subvert
the US were weird now as degen as it gets,
or would the subversion be the opposite of what we are?
You will participate in sex after marriage, you will marry
a natural born woman as a natural born man. Yeah. Well,
I mean the narrative from the media is that, well,
the Russians clearly want Trump in because Trump is you know,
Trump's a Russian Agent's been the thing that they've been
spouting since twenty sixteen. And the other one now is that, well,
the Russians want you to not be pro Ukraine, and
the Russians want you to be anti Israel, right, So
this is they're kind of tying all their little pet
issues in with like just throwing that all in one basket,
it seems.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also, I mean, you know, if you think about it, well,
the New York Times had a long article that I
reported on back at the twenty eighteen or nineteen. I
think everybody's forgotten this, but Hillary had huge deals in
Russia with certain energy companies. So the actual monetary interests
of Hillary are way more than any kind of deals
that Trump had relation in relation to any Russian people.
Speaker 3: So it actually amazing how much money they've generated through
all these deals since the nineties. I mean, the Clintons
are they're very powerful people. I mean they're very they're
very really adept at doing these you know, shady, gangster
level business deals internationally. I mean with their don't they
also have a big Saudi connection too, Yeah? Did, or
they did, I'm not sure what.
Speaker 2: Sort of you the the pay for play stuff was
Saudi Qatar, various royals giving Hillary vast sums of money
for when she was elected.
Speaker 1: That they would get hey, they would get paybacks.
Speaker 3: Remember that they're not going to get a DOJ indictment
about that anytime soon.
Speaker 1: No, exactly. Do you remember the twenty fifteen payer play.
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm remembering now that you say it. It's it's
amazing the sheer magnitude and and frequency with which this
has been happening since.
Speaker 1: To think how silly this is.
Speaker 2: Right, The only thing that they could find on Trump
is a made up thing about being peede on which
was fake. But Hillary and Bill and all of them
have like literally taken zillions of dollars from China, Saudi's
kataris like all of it and other countries.
Speaker 3: Is there like an Israel connected I mean, you know,
the Apex pretty dangn powerful everywhere.
Speaker 2: But absolutely, I mean, like a half of uh Winning
Webb's book is Epstein's connections there.
Speaker 3: And with with China. Yeah, but you know, I mean Epstein,
He's he's there are our greatest allies. You know these
are well.
Speaker 1: But he gave money to the Clinton campaign back and
at that time philanthropy.
Speaker 3: He was for science. The guy likes science. The Clinton's
are pro science.
Speaker 1: What's your problem?
Speaker 2: I mean at that time, Look, all Bill Clinton knew
at that time was that he was getting philanthropic donations
from a science man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and his young girls. They were giving him philanthropic
we don't know, happy ending rubdowns allegedly allegedly, Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well,
you have to say allegedly, don't don't not say allegedly.
It's it's so crazy, It's like, it's it's insane. The
level of corruption that has been normalized now, and I
think you know, if if there, if there is a syop,
and then you know there's levels and levels and layers
and layers of syops. One of the biggest syops out
there is clearly to just demoralize us through us knowing
all of this, right, I mean, it's it's so incredibly
it's amazing how much corruption there is that's just right
out there in the open, and nothing gets done about it.
You know, It's it's just really right in front of
your face. And I think one of the major syops
in in mass media has been to well, just cover
this stuff up with spectacle. Right whenever there's something coming out,
there's a new spectacle that it's just oh, look over there,
you know, like it's you know, start a dumpster fire
and point the cameras at the dumpster fire, and people
are going to focus on that. And you know, the
manipulation of consciousness is something that these westerness terists have
always been really interested in the nature of consciousness, probing
into the depth of the human soul, which they'll usually
call the psyche or something. But this is of seminal
importance to these you know, to the Western necessary esotericists
that you were discussing earlier, and I was talking a
little bit about psychoanalysis and Freud, Young and Reich and
all of these guys. The framework with which we that
we look at the world through has been changed so
much over the years, but has really led us into
this almost like hall of mirrors U and mass media
now with social media has become kind of like the
ultimate opioid for for the masses, because you know, you
can anybody can just jump into the little hall of
mirrors and just spend endless hours on TikTok on Instagram,
you know, following their favorite uh, their favorite influencers, influencing
them to you know, behave in ridiculous ways doing TikTok
dances and all this stuff. But you know, but that's so,
that's fine, that's okay. What what is a problem is
general people who are slightly to the right of center
on some issues, like Timpoole, Lauren Chen and some of
these people who are you know, very moderate in all
regards like these are not extreme far right. You know,
Tim Poole extreme far right. You know, he's really far
on the right side of his bum when he's sitting
on the fence on most issues. I mean, he's he's
notorious as being like a fence sitter, and I'm not
trying to just slag on Tim Poole, but like he'll
admit this himself that he's a fence sitter on a
lot of these things, and that's what he's known for.
But now, oh no, he's he's far right because he's
critical of spending billions of dollars on this war in
Ukraine that is going to benefit all these you know,
oligarchic families who have been ripping off the country and
ripping off the people in Ukraine for so long. It's ah,
this is a problem him being vaguely critical of certain
actions that Israelist taking while being really apologetic for Israel
in general on most things. Him Russians must be paying
him to do this, and this is a major problem.
You know, it's not only fans polluting the minds of
you know, entire generations young men and turning people's daughters
into literal whors. That's okay, that's fine, but you know,
Tim Poole's saying some stuff that maybe the Russians would
the Russians maybe that they would agree with. Well, we
better shot that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, the accusation not too long ago was that he
was being funded by the CIA. I remember that accusation
a while back.
Speaker 2: And the more he moved into this sort of libertarian
and sort of conservative on some issues takes, then the
heat gets turned up. Now it flips over into this
and like you pointed out, I mean, I'm not I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't follow a lot of.
Speaker 2: Lauren Chen's content, but what I have seen from her
seemed to be fairly middle of the I there wasn't
anything super edgy.
Speaker 3: That's not that I've seen. I don't follow her either,
just the clips I've seen. It's just basic takes like
oh look at look at the the woke mob is
kind of crazy, don't you think guys like maybe we
shouldn't give a bunch of money to Ukrainians? And you know,
it seemed like normal stuff that you maybe see some
of it on Fox News.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean she debated Andrew and they had
this debate over you know, she had a very kind
of standard approach to what Christian marriage is.
Speaker 1: Nothing radical or over the edge.
Speaker 3: Definitely not a far right extremist or extreet you know, like.
Speaker 1: No That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like the I think what they're doing is they're sort
of right, they're going down the line of anyone anti establishment,
whether you're far right, whether you're you know, middle of
the road libertarian conservative, Like they're sort of just going
down the list, I think, sort of going after anyone
that can can have any kind of influence or called rucus.
And so this seemed to be a timely thing that
they rolled out, particularly because probably this is my analysis,
Temple was saying that he was going to try to
take legal action against Kamala for editing the videos of
him to make him say something else.
Speaker 1: The very next day, Kamala and her crew roll this out.
Speaker 2: So they might have been sitting on this for a
while to use at the opportune time. And if you recall,
going all the way back to twenty sixteen, it wasn't
just Trump, but Alex was called Russian agent for a
couple of years. Of course, Soccer was Russian agent for
several years, Rogan was Russian agent at one point. So
essentially this is what they do to anyone in alternative
media that is in any way anti DNC and perhaps
even Unit Party RNC Rhino establishment. So it's just a
thing they constantly roll out. But I mean it's not
that extreme because, like you pointed out, I don't think
Temple really needed tenant media.
Speaker 1: It's not like it was some massive thing that he
was was, uh it was going to take it to
the next level.
Speaker 3: I mean like, yeah, like Tim Poole's operation is not
the you know, the house that Russia built or something
like that.
Speaker 2: But well I remember so you know, uh Tim was
on there and he debated with Rollo and and uh
Tim Poole, Tim Gordon Rachel was on there debating with
people two or three.
Speaker 3: I mean I've seen I've seen maybe like those people
are clearly a few of those debates.
Speaker 1: And like and the but the they have maybe ten
twenty thirty thousand views on something. It's like it wasn't
even like, you know, I can get that on my channel.
So you know, like you said, sixty million views in
two years is not even that big of a deal.
Speaker 3: So this was not I mean it it seemed like
it was a lot of money considering the amount of views, right, Like,
I mean, considering the amount of views, that is a
lot of money.
Speaker 2: But maybe the fault I mean, if all that stuff
is accurate or true, maybe the thought was it would
grow into something more.
Speaker 3: But of course, of course, and and to take that money. Yeah,
you know again like I, I haven't read the entire indictment,
which is not indicting Chen Timpool. None of these people
are actually being indicted.
Speaker 1: These are two people will never be indicted.
Speaker 3: So I mean, look, in all reality, this could be
an indictment against two pseudonyms of people that don't even exist, right,
like it because it is so easy to fund any
alt media operation through a shell game of you know,
essentially you know, anonymous.
Speaker 1: With the vegans in the Saudis right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we've talked about I've talked about this even
with just alt media in general, how it's so easy
for somebody to just start making anonymous bitcoin donations or
get contact somebody through email and say, hey, I like
your content, you know, let me drop you a w
BTC bro like I got rich off BTC I bought,
you know, I bought I bought in early at two cents,
and I got all this sitting around these There are
ways that you can influence content, fun content, promote content very.
Speaker 2: Easily through Who was it that was paying like earthling
Ed and all those people who was Yeah, a.
Speaker 3: Lot of the vegans, the vegan activists are all funded
by the Saudi guy called Prince Alwali beIN Tallal. He's
this major Saudi prince's son and he's got all these
little Silicon Valley startups. It is really involved in some
some projects for like smart City twenty thirty type stuff.
And his dad was actually arrested under during the Trump administration.
His father was arrested by the current Saudi regime for
some sort of intrigues that he had. His ex wife
can actually accused him of being a human trafficker. I
mean these are like this super shady Saudi guy and
his he his going back to Bond. His yacht that
he has sold to Donald Trump in like the eighties
or nineties, was actually used is that.
Speaker 1: Yacht?
Speaker 3: I think it might have gone to Koshogi, but originally
within the Bond movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: In Whitney's book, she has the first chapter where she
talks about how Koshogi was using the yacht as a
kind of floating mini Epstein situation.
Speaker 3: Interesting, I don't it might have been the same one.
It might have gone through Koshogi. But this yacht was
used in a Bond film, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that, Yeah, so on an old
streaming and you did it. So I think you're right
about that.
Speaker 3: So he would openly fund like all these vegan YouTube
channels and then also be kind of a secret funder, right.
But you know, of course nobody's concerned about you know,
Saudi Prince funding vegan activists throughout the West to influence uh,
you know, behavior dietarily and culturally and you know, attack
small family farms and all this. Nobody's concerned about that
at all. But it's all it's really easy to just
set up, you know, some pseudonyms or have I mean,
in any intelligence agency, you can get in there, fund
any operation they want and maybe like you know, fed
jacket it and make it look like it's some Russians
thin blame the person receiving the money or you know,
fed jacket them and make it seem like it's some
sort of you know, Chinese, even any any country you
want it can you can make it seem like they are,
you know, funding an operation. It's not very hard. You
don't have to be that intelligent to do it.
Speaker 2: This is an eighty six million dollars yacht. And uh
at one time Trump was the owner of it.
Speaker 3: What's the nut yachts name. It's a funny name.
Speaker 1: It's called the Yes, it's right here, it's called the
the Nobila.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's right. I thought it was something else.
I thought it was like an English name.
Speaker 2: That was that was pretty His eighty six million dollars
super yacht, the Nobila nearly broke the shipyard. But you
said there was, and it's this, Yes, this is it.
Because when you search for it, Ali while Benttilal comes up.
The Nabula yacht was named the Trump Princess when he
took it over. It was in Never Say Never Again,
the nineteenth three James Bond movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, it's funny. We go full circle. The
vegan activists can connect to the Epstein operation in some way.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: If you if you look up the first chapter or
first or second chapter of Whitney's book, the second.
Speaker 1: Volume, it deals with they were bringing in like.
Speaker 2: Foreign I forget which nationality, prostitutes and it was rigged
up with like cameras. The yacht had like cameras to
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Speaker 2: So the Sultan of Brune was Epstein's Jeff sim McCaffrey's
landlord during this time period, and this I think is
the means by which he's introduced to add non Koshogi.
And it says that Jeff Stein may have been first
exposed to this idea of blackmail operations through the proximity
to Kohne Gray and Koshogi. In fact, he was in
close proximity to Koshogi himself. And this is a possibility
that is linking. This links then Epstein to the BCCI
affair in the nineteen It doesn't say what here this is,
but the John Kerry Hank Brown investigation too, the BCCI
uncovered that the bank, which was located in Pakistan, was
utilized in blackmail operations through the yacht and the bringing
in of Pakistani women and men for parties on the
yacht where it could be filmed. And these are Pakistani
guys and girls ages sixteen to twenty. This is before
Trump owns the yacht. This is back in the late
seventies early eighties. Trump by the by he got in
nineteen eighty eight from Koshoge. But anyway, so there, so
there is basically the mini pre Jeff sin McAffrey operation
on this famous yacht.
Speaker 1: That crazy as wow.
Speaker 3: Well it's it's amazing to you look at how nineteen Yeah.
Speaker 1: And weapons he's a weapons uh dealer.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we didn't. We didn't mention that big
international weapons dealer, super sketchy guy involved with tons of
very powerful people. He's, uh, how do you how do
you die? I don't remember? Then you get murdered.
Speaker 2: He also comes up as drug I think drug trafficker
in the famous McCoy book on in the drug trade.
Speaker 3: Well, the drug trade, weapons trade, and the trade in
humans right in human trafficking closely web book correct, closely
linked and very much uh you know, tools of black
ops type stuff. I mean these are known to be
used to fund black ops type actions, the crack cocaine
stuff that was happening in the eighties, the Ali North stuff. Yeah,
so yeah, Wow, it's just it's incredible. It's staggering just
the level of interconnectedness with so much of so many
of these operations. And you know, back to the Epstein op,
this is something that was used to influence people in
media in academia and his Glene Maxwell and the sisters
and the Promise software and all of their connections to
with getting back doors in software that was used for
interagency communication through out intelligence agencies in the US.
Speaker 1: Did you know they invented what was the Netscape navigator
and the Karda. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: Oh that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a Gislaine invention. Well her, her sister
and her brother. I think we're all connected on that.
And they sold it to gil Bates.
Speaker 3: Wow, there you go, there you go. So, I mean,
but all this stuff, you know, and remember these are
you know, not foreign agents, these are these are good people.
They're just you know, business people. And this is all okay,
it's all okay, Now I'm not trying to you know,
if there is influence from any foreign country, you know,
in order to propagandaize. I'm not we're not running apologetics
for this, just simply pointing out that shouldn't we be consistent,
shouldn't we be consistent in uh, you know who's being
called out prosecuted for, you know, illegal activity. And yeah,
it's it's pretty crazy the level of interference that's happened
from certain countries in the in the Middle East.
Speaker 1: Well, it's fascinating too to think about.
Speaker 2: Like the origin of search engines, Netscape Navigator, online encyclopedia,
the idea was originally hatched by people working in intelligence
and blackmail, all right, to have quick access for files
and presumably I need to access all the dirt I've.
Speaker 1: Got on Tristan right, which you have none on me.
Speaker 2: It would come up under the queer theory chapters like
vast volumes of blackmail.
Speaker 3: Right there, I go clean my Netscape navigator. Clear. Wait,
if I delete my cookies on Netscape Navigator, Glene Maxwell
won't know, right, go back.
Speaker 1: To the Nescape Act.
Speaker 2: That's unfortunate because she already sold all your cookies to
Bill Gates from that scape.
Speaker 1: So now Bill Gates has a good one.
Speaker 3: So my freaking girl scout cookies at Bill Gates my
thin minces what the ladies call my cookies, my thin mince.
Speaker 1: The h oh.
Speaker 3: I had another another idea, but just it just skipped
my mind of his dumb jokes. But yeah, what were
you gonna say? You see your flipping too a page?
Speaker 1: Look, Johnny Chung, That's what I was trying to think of.
Speaker 2: One of the key characters in the Clinton the China
Gate scandal was a Chinese operative working with the Clinton's
Albor went and visited China and at this time as well.
So basically they were working with all these entities that
I think this is probably why, Yeah, the Confucian Society
and all this set up that was allowed for so long,
And that was one of the controversial things Trump did
was to shut down a lot of these foreign Chinese operations.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Confused Society may still be here, but
it was a big deal.
Speaker 2: What twenty seventeen somewhere in there when Trump banned all
of the Chinese foreign exchange stuff, which.
Speaker 3: Was, ah, yeah, I was wondering what you're talking about.
I remember that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was Trump trying to reverse some of
this like Clinton stuff. That they had put in place there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it seems like there was at least a
level of that rivalry that was that was legitimate. I
mean a lot of people speculated, Ah, you know, he
was just saying lock her up just to get elected.
He was just trying to get it, you know.
Speaker 1: Guy, Yeah, Whitney rebbed.
Speaker 2: She lists Clinton's connections to Charlie Tree, the Tati group,
the Lippo group, ing Lap Singh, all of which were
connected to people's Republic of China fronts, so that they're
like they're deeply into.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised you're.
Speaker 1: Like an FBI like chart board to draw, you know
what I mean, like how.
Speaker 3: They have like all the yeah, the conspiracy theory thing
from whatever show that's from. I'm surprised your web book
held up the binding on the physical copy held up
so well, because mine, like I don't know, like the
publisher at Yeah. Yeah, the glue was really bad and
it started falling apart just when I was in like
the first few chapters. I haven't even gotten to the
second book, but it's yeah, it's dense, it's really well done.
Webb's book there, we've covered a lot. Man, you got
any other thoughts on how you know, we've talked about Bond,
We've talked about, you know, the social engineering and the
role of mass media. We didn't get too much into that,
but I mean, I can.
Speaker 1: Go anywhere you want.
Speaker 2: I mean, I got this history of Tavistock that's an
academic publication which is pretty wild, has a lot of
admissions in that, but recently obtained.
Speaker 1: I've got a book on mocking Bird. We didn't go
too deep in the mocking Bird.
Speaker 3: But we should do a whole Let's do a whole
show on Tavistock. I'd love to. I've got a book
on Tavistock that I've yet to delve into. Also, No,
there's the old Stealan book, but I don't know if
that one's any good.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it's a lot of resetting what's
in the John Coleman book. But I branched out and
I've actually gotten some of that.
Speaker 3: Coleman wrote a book on Tavistock or his Committee in
three hundred. It's separate from the Committee of three hundred book.
Speaker 2: Interesting, it was out of print forever, no never, and
I finally got it, so it's back in print.
Speaker 3: It's back at all. I have to get a copy
of that is the cook in print? Again?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 3: Is it the other the Committee of three hundred book
in print? Again? It's kind of fallen apart. It was
expensive for a while.
Speaker 2: Now I've crossed reference because a lot of people complain
that Coleman didn't do very good with footnotes and references,
which is a fair critigue. But in this official history
of Tavistock, I have been able to back up a
lot of the claims.
Speaker 3: Who's the publisher of that one? Is that hard to get?
Is it hard to find?
Speaker 2: No, it's a famous academic It's Rutledge, which is a
famous academic culture.
Speaker 3: Okay, so those are always kind of expensive too, though.
Is it like seventy bucks for the No, this was
more like forty or fifty. But okay, that's funny. All
all the all the university books, they're like one hundred
bucks for a soft right soft back.
Speaker 2: Also, I mean this is uh tavistocka jacent So I've
only got Walter Littman's book.
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, I've got a printed copy of that. That's
not nice and bound. That's a good one. Sweet, I
do I'd like to I'd like to do a Tavistoking
Institute one. Soon I actually I started reading Public Opinion.
It's a little bit drab, like it's kind of like
it's kind of you know, it's good, but it's you're
looking at the early days of of PR And I
don't like how Litman writes. He kind of writes in
an annoying more yeah read.
Speaker 1: But there's all yeah, we can't forget. Did you ever
read this classic?
Speaker 3: Oh Brene? Of course? Yeah, brenees and Litman. That'd be
better to do those together, because Litman is not as
fun as Brene's. Right, you know his nephew is his
nephew or his grandson that owns Netflix? Yeah, or former
CEO or a founder of Netflix. So yeah, yeah, Matt,
mass media espionage, social engineering, bondology.
Speaker 2: Clearly you know these are all I mean, I can
always go off in the bond stuff for a long time.
Speaker 1: You want to wrap it up or do you want
to keep going? I don't care the way whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Either way, man, either way, I'm just getting a little
tired here. I feel like we could wrap it. Sometimes
I go way too long, and I feel like I
could have just split that up into some you know,
leave some, leave some for dessert.
Speaker 1: So we can say some more stuff for specific Bond.
Speaker 2: They could do a whole Yeah, I've done like probably
thirty Bond streams on this or that Bond movie, novel, whatever. Right,
there a lot of there's a lot of stuff packed
in those that's pretty fascinating. Nice man and actually one
of the key operatives that not many people know who
is one of the big influences, the most famous, one
of the most famous Jewish operatives out there was Sidney Riley.
Speaker 3: I'd huh, never heard of Sidney Riley.
Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah, he's he's key because he comes up
in the.
Speaker 2: Rakowsky interrogation as sort of the right hand operative of
Ralph Chold. And so there's a lot of literature out there.
But doctor Richard Spence, who's public published at Trion Day.
Before he was at Trin Day, he wrote this whole
history of Sidney Riley, and there's other ones. This is
a pretty kind of pop pop book on him. He's
again famous influence on James Bond.
Speaker 1: But well he's important because he's famous.
Speaker 3: Wait, why does it have the couples in the background.
Is he's Russian?
Speaker 2: No, Well, that's the thing is like, was the British
intelligence operative or was he a Soviet Bolshevik communist.
Speaker 3: Or Victor Rothschild.
Speaker 1: And that's what the recops interrogation alleges about him.
Speaker 2: I've not yet read uh doctor Spencer's book on him,
but I think it's probably the case.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Spencer's thesis is, but yeah, he's
a character, and they'd made a whole movie or a
whole series about him. Uh, who's that? Who's that? Who's
the guy in? N't it? It's the guy in Jurassic Park?
Remember him? Which one original one? The doctor and the
original of the British guy?
Speaker 3: No, not the doctor, which doctor?
Speaker 1: The paleontologist?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Grant, doctor Grant. What's his name?
Speaker 1: He plays Sidney Riley in the British show He's.
Speaker 3: An easy Is he actually British or is he American?
He's pretty, he's got an accent in that film.
Speaker 1: Sam Neil, Yes, Sam Neil plays Sidney Riley in an
entire series that the British BBC made.
Speaker 3: What year was that? Made?
Speaker 1: Eighties?
Speaker 2: It's called Riley as Spies. It's pretty famous spy series.
But people don't know, like, wait a minute, this is
actually like this is the real Illuminati, right, because this
is the people working for.
Speaker 3: Like Rothschild so right, and and also you know, crossing
the crossing over into the Soviet influenced blog, playing both
sides exactly. Well, there seemed to be aspects of this
with the with this current. You know, there's always a
stamp of that of like this. You know, you're always unsure, well,
what's the what's even the intention here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So like you I think that's kind of a signature
of these intelligence operations and that like you know, you
can't make it too blatantly obvious, and you can sometimes
they'll cast a wide net and you know the different
things that they're trying to influence. But yeah, that we're
living in that gray area. You know, it's a good movie.
It's maybe what do you think about The Good Shepherd?
You like The Good Shepherd?
Speaker 2: Well, it has it has the at the beginning, is
it Stephen fry In? He the gay handler, one of
the one of the handlers.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not the other British actor, but well there's.
Speaker 3: What's his face? Oh goodness, Caine. Michael Kaine's in there too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the other guy who is the one that
trains Matt Damon and spycraft.
Speaker 3: The British intelligence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's making this this point that the OSS is
set up by British intelligence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And there some reference in there. He calls it,
you know, the Dark Arts. I think Michael Kayne uses
the term the Dark Arts.
Speaker 1: We use it.
Speaker 3: As training in the doc Rots. That's I know. I
enjoyed The Good Shepherd. I think I watched it a
few times, like the revisit that it's a little long,
not yeah, is.
Speaker 1: A little long and slow, but it's pretty accurate.
Speaker 3: I do like I kind of like long films though,
you know, I mean the extended versions of the Lord
of the Ring trilogy like those are you're not gonna
say for four hours and watch.
Speaker 2: I liked those two. I mean I like the long
Dune films. Did you be the new Mad Max? It
was pretty long?
Speaker 3: No, you both you and my brother said that it was.
That it was good.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you filter out like the feminist stuff otherwise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just as like an entertaining film like a Mad
maxim But I guess Mad Max always the what's his name? Frank? Uh?
What's again? George Miller? He said that the original Mad
Max were also feminist. Yeah, he's made the claim that
these were it was always feminist.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true because the villains in one
and two are clearly skittles. There's nothing feminist in part
one or two. You could argue that maybe Tina Turner
is the first emergence of something quasi feminist.
Speaker 3: I don't know what his justification was, but yeah, he's
just revising. He's like, no, I promise, I'm always I'm
not a Remember JK.
Speaker 2: Rowling did this too, where it's like, oh, by the way, okay, fine,
Dumbledore was gay.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was trans, Harry Potter's trans. It's okay, I'm
not a big.
Speaker 2: Nothing at the time that suggested that I'm not even
that I don't care about defending Harry Potter. I just
I think a lot of these people retroactively will say
this for social justice.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just the actor that was gay.
She actually legit said that he himself, the character Dumbledore was,
was a gay.
Speaker 2: I don't know something like that, but I mean people
do this retroactively where they're like, you know, I mean
they said SpongeBob supposed to be gay, right?
Speaker 3: Uh? We can see that. I always thought that show
was pretty gay.
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying like there was nothing at the
time that was explicitly showing that they're retroactively going back
and saying right.
Speaker 1: For I think for virtue signaling social justice reasons. Oh
everyone and they're all gay. Everyone was gay, right, I'm serious.
Speaker 2: They're going to start saying like they're doing this with
Star Wars, right, they're rewriting Star Wars now to be
all of these you know, women characters and whatnot, which
is failing.
Speaker 3: There was another one recently too, where they tried to like, oh, yeah,
these these trends are gay, by the way, No, that's
a that's a huge trend. Now. We were always we
were always this progressive. We promise we were. We were.
We were trying, we were smashing the fash and fighting
the patriarchy.
Speaker 1: James Bond was always secretly gay. I'm serious.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's like, that's coming, right, that's coming now.
He was compensating. He was hyper compensating. Oh you know
what masculinity now that I think of it.
Speaker 2: When I had a Shakespeare class and office in grad
school or undergrad, but the professor who was total shit
live like he was trying to argue that, oh.
Speaker 1: This is you know, Shakespeare's repressed, you know, queer whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, they just do this about everything. Everything is repressed,
queer writing was gay, Yeah, exactly, this kind.
Speaker 3: Of stuff that's true.
Speaker 1: But they'll say it. I mean, they're blasphemous.
Speaker 2: And they'll say about the Bible too, like, oh, I mean,
I don't mean to be blasphemous, but they'll say, well,
when Jesus rests on John, the disciples breast, that's a
clear sign of this is they're so gay, Like the
professors are so gay that they'll they'll everything is gay.
Speaker 3: That's a giant it becomes a giant projection. What's becomes
a huge projection, right exactly that I'm well, it's I
mean that kind of relates to to the well, everybody's
everyone's a fed, everyone's a you know, look at these people.
They're they're Russian bots, they're they're taking money from Russia.
Speaker 2: Remember Kinsey too, Remember when Kinsey put out his studies
that vindicated the claim supposedly through quote science, which turns
out it was all like fraudulent. But that allowed academia
to say, oh, actually turns out everyone is gay.
Speaker 1: It's just a spectrum. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, like, well, Jim Jones, everyone is gay. Jim Jones
whole thing was everyone is gay except him. Every man
in the world is gay except Jim Jones, and he
would help to prove this to them by sodomizing the
men to prove to the It was like the most
twisted thing. Everyone else is gay except me, and I'll
prove it to you by doing gay acts to you.
I'll condescend to you because I'm such a good guy,
and I'll prove to you that you're gay but I'm not.
But I'll do the gross It's really gross, but I'll
do it. It's like what h yeah, yeah, well hey man,
let's uh, I'm gonna wrap it up. I want to
take too much your time here, it's getting a little late.
But yeah, I'd love to do some Uh you know
that we got that way Walter Littman and in Burnet's
we get to tie that into something fun too, Tavistock,
and tie that we can maybe do Beatles Tavistock. You know,
there's a lot of connections there.
Speaker 1: If you don't have a.
Speaker 2: A physical copy, I did find somebody uploaded the entire
audio of Coleman's Tavistoc book.
Speaker 3: If you want that, let me check if I got
the physical copy. I'll let you know. I think I do.
Speaker 1: It is out by the way, it is reprinted, so
you can't get the physical copy.
Speaker 3: I think I have a lot of books that are
at my mother in law's house still that we want
to get shipped. But yeah, I stored stored a lot
of books there unless she got rid of them. She
might won't be mad if she got rid of them,
boxes and boxes of them. But yeah, well we'll do that.
We'll do the thing. We'll do the thing. Ok, maybe
we should do some some movie reviews to coming up.
Speaker 1: Absolutely great chat Man, thanks for cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got to you've got a show coming up
tomorrow night? Or when you when are you gonna do
your debate? Stream? You set up a debate today.
Speaker 2: Afternoon because Cotel was streaming, and then I think Sunday
I'll be on a show with Shane Cashman.
Speaker 3: For that name, who's Shane Cashman?
Speaker 1: It sounds familiar, Temple buddy libertarian guy.
Speaker 3: Oh can you get those get them rubles? Huh, I'm
not sure.
Speaker 1: We wants to talk about.
Speaker 3: But you were your KG beanie on that one too.
I like that Jay's handler. Jay's Handler's out there. Anybody
that has ever met Tim Poole, Now, I'm sure that
people Tim Poole associate Russian and bought. Yeah, through six,
you're gonna get six degrees of separation. I'm now a
Tim Poole. Uh. You know, I I probably have a
whole closet full of KG beanies because I know Jay,
and Jay has personally met and been on Tim Pool.
Speaker 1: That was pretty funny. Mark Dice put up a picture
of him wearing a beanie with like the Soviet.
Speaker 3: That's funny. That's why I've got on the thumbnail here.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to Soviet beanie now that'd
be funny, Like next time if I go back.
Speaker 3: On, I don't even you can't even see it. But yeah,
that's the background of the of our thing right here.
We got James Bond from the from Russia with love
with a with a KGB beanie on in honor of
In honor of comrade pool Well bro brother brother j Danovich,
we thank you very much for coming.
Speaker 1: I'll send you the Dugan coin.
Speaker 3: I you after this, Yeah, three three DGN coin three
point zero DGN equals one beat DC in mad Russia.
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