Speaker 1: Hmm. Welcome friends.
Speaker 2: They are locked in a battle to the death, a
Speaker 2: battle that they'll take them across the heavens stop, a
Speaker 2: battle that will finally be fought. Brought me across the
Speaker 2: face of Earth from a distant galaxy. They have come
Speaker 2: to work. Dolph Landgren as he Man, Frank Langella as Skeletor.
Speaker 2: Only they have the powers to be the masters of
Speaker 2: the universe. Live the adventure.
Speaker 3: Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is
Speaker 3: Zachi Hasan and Brian Hall. Tell me about the loneliness
Speaker 3: of good? Is it equal to the loneliness of evil?
Speaker 3: I ask you that all the time? Yeah, he ask
Speaker 3: me that all the time. Turns out it's a line
Speaker 3: in this movie. I had no idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just something you've always wondered.
Speaker 3: I just constantly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've never known which side you thought I
Speaker 4: was a part of.
Speaker 3: So well, I'm asking about the loneliness of good. Right,
Speaker 3: So they're therefore, oh, okay, by extension, right, we are
Speaker 3: kind of like the he Man and Skeletor of the
Speaker 3: podcasting scene. Sure, engaged in constant, lifelong battle, neither complete
Speaker 3: without the other.
Speaker 4: I think it tracks, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I like our
Speaker 4: duality and thinking that together we could unlock the secrets
Speaker 4: of Gray Skull.
Speaker 3: Right, I think that is our lot in life. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But you know, as we are recording this, we are
Speaker 3: we are in the lead up to the big budget
Speaker 3: new movie at saptation of Masters of the Universe, which
Speaker 3: is I think, as we've discussed many a time on
Speaker 3: this show, was not a sentence we expected to say. No.
Speaker 4: I mean there's been starts and stops trying to make
Speaker 4: this movie ever since we began this podcast fourteen years ago.
Speaker 4: Or yeah, it was so Yeah, it's amazing. Like I
Speaker 4: think you and I even said, until we're seated in
Speaker 4: the movie was like unspooling in front of us, we
Speaker 4: would wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: But like the premiere has already happened. Yeah, even still,
Speaker 3: I won't believe it till I am walking out of
Speaker 3: the theater.
Speaker 4: Hey, if it was a Warner Brothers movie, they could
Speaker 4: still delete it.
Speaker 3: It's just one hard drive away from never seeing the
Speaker 3: light of day. Yeah, but hey, we thought this is
Speaker 3: a perfect opportunity to go to dip into the archives
Speaker 3: to almost forty years ago and watch and talk through
Speaker 3: the only previous live action Masters of the Universe movie
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven's Masters of the Universe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which we've talked about for a long time,
Speaker 4: and I think it's kind of amazing that we get
Speaker 4: to do it to celebrate the release of this new movie,
Speaker 4: which I'm really looking forward to.
Speaker 3: It's true, this is a movie I think, correct me
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong you you did not see it as
Speaker 3: a kid.
Speaker 4: I have seen it in my life. As I was
Speaker 4: watching it, I thought, I'm not sure I've ever seen
Speaker 4: this all the way through. This is a movie that
Speaker 4: would be on on a Saturday afternoon on WGN Channel
Speaker 4: nine kind of a thing. Yeah, and I'm certain I've
Speaker 4: seen chunks of this several times, but yeah, this might
Speaker 4: be the first time all the way through.
Speaker 3: Well, there you go. For me, I was seven going
Speaker 3: on eight. I saw it in the theater when it
Speaker 3: came out. I was in Edmonton. This is this is
Speaker 3: kind of like a this is a canon event for
Speaker 3: me totally.
Speaker 4: I could I can imagine.
Speaker 3: Not to say I think it's good necessarily, but boy
Speaker 3: do I have a lot of affection for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you and I both grew up with the
Speaker 4: he Man cartoon that I was obsessed with and I
Speaker 4: had the action figures.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and this came out just in time to
Speaker 3: not capitalize on any of that. I know, I know,
Speaker 3: but we'll talk about that as we watch the movie. Yeah, so, hey,
Speaker 3: if you want to watch along with us, this is
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty seven Masters of the Universe, the one
Speaker 3: starring Dolflandgren and of course Frank Langella. If you want
Speaker 3: to have that experience of watching along with us, you
Speaker 3: certainly can do that. However, the best way to do that, Brian,
Speaker 3: would be by subscribing to our Patreon feed.
Speaker 4: Yes, if you head over to patreon dot com slash
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Speaker 4: where it has all our episodes, all our commentaries absolutely
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Speaker 4: in to the conversation, which is most important when we're
Speaker 4: doing a commentary and you're trying to fall along with
Speaker 4: a movie.
Speaker 3: And if you just want to hear us talking, and
Speaker 3: we'll try to keep the conversation interesting enough. But we're
Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and do our thing right now, so
Speaker 3: we'll do the usual. We'll start on three one two
Speaker 3: three and play you ready, Brian, I'm ready and here
Speaker 3: we go one, two, three play Canon pictures.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that could be its own feature length track.
Speaker 4: Talking about I have to.
Speaker 3: Say this was basically my first time seeing a Canon movie,
Speaker 3: So I see that logo for the first time in theater,
Speaker 3: I'm like, Wow, these guys must be the ones who
Speaker 3: make the great movies, right right, right, And I will
Speaker 3: say I wasn't necessarily wrong in that their movies are
Speaker 3: great in a certain manner of speaking. Sure, sure they
Speaker 3: represent a very specific era.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and type of film a moment, a moment
Speaker 4: if you will, in film a moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one, despite being a Canon picture, has a
Speaker 3: conspicuous absence of ninjas and or Sylvester Stallone. So that's
Speaker 3: Chuck Norris.
Speaker 4: A beautiful painting here by the way.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: You know, there is a lot of great practical effects
Speaker 3: work and Matt painting work in this movie that I
Speaker 3: think has helped some of these effect sequences stand the
Speaker 3: test of time more than I would have expected. I agree.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is obviously a low budget film, but
Speaker 4: working within their constraints, I think it's like pretty, you know,
Speaker 4: enjoyable and admirable even you know what they do get
Speaker 4: away with here. I mean even just like the this
Speaker 4: is at the ending, but when they're having that battle
Speaker 4: by the corner of the building, you know, at the end,
Speaker 4: and then it gets teleported into Eternia and you see
Speaker 4: just the corner of the building right in the throne room.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's fun, that's cool, that's clever, and
Speaker 4: it doesn't need to be big, but it sells the
Speaker 4: spectacle of the story in a really practical way.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean this movie when we talk about canon,
Speaker 3: it came out within weeks of Superman four The Quest
Speaker 3: for Peace, which is obviously a famous catastrophe. This one
Speaker 3: was too, by the way they lost their shirts. They
Speaker 3: took big bets on both Superman four and this, and
Speaker 3: it basically helped to bring down the studio.
Speaker 4: Right, And they had big plans had these succeeded, right
Speaker 4: for a Spider Man movie.
Speaker 3: That's right, it shot back to back with a sequel
Speaker 3: to this, that would have been the plan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they were gonna share sets apparently, and costumes.
Speaker 3: And the director Albert Pion. Yeah. But but I think weirdly,
Speaker 3: despite the fact that this came out, you know, in
Speaker 3: proximity with Superman four that this one in terms of
Speaker 3: the visual effects holds up better than Superman four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I.
Speaker 3: Want to be very clear. I mean it looks like
Speaker 3: they had about eight dollars to rub together and other
Speaker 3: than the set we're in right now, which is the
Speaker 3: Gray Skull set, which is quite impressive. Yeah, one of
Speaker 3: the biggest sets ever built up to that point.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, right, it was like two stages together, right,
Speaker 4: didn't they like smash a wall down right, extend a stage? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so very impressive. But what you realize is it's
Speaker 3: basically this and that's it. They blew a big truck
Speaker 3: of their budget.
Speaker 4: On and like a street in Whittier, California.
Speaker 3: They had no money for extras, right right, this ghost
Speaker 3: town that our heroes end up in. Now now Frank Langela.
Speaker 3: So when I watched this movie, I I don't believe
Speaker 3: I had seen Rocky four yet, but I knew Dolph
Speaker 3: and Grant from that, like I had seen images of him.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 3: So I was like, Okay, I did not know Frank
Speaker 3: Langela for sure, No, but I remember the trailers in
Speaker 3: the TV spots were like, Frank Langela is skeletor I
Speaker 3: was like, oh wow, he must be a big deal.
Speaker 4: If he is the is you know right right?
Speaker 3: And and I will say, Frank Langela does a this,
Speaker 3: this is comparable to Raoul Julia in Street Fighter. Hey,
Speaker 3: I had the same thought. Yeah, my man up, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: He is so fun to watch in this movie.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 3: He's great. Apparently he rewrote big chunks of his dialogue.
Speaker 3: Give him a big monologue. I believe all of that.
Speaker 4: You see, I watched that documentary what was it, By
Speaker 4: the Power of Gray Skull? Oh sure, sure, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: the he Man you know story about the whole franchise. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like a ninety minute documentary and he's interviewed in
Speaker 4: it and he talks about that where his son was
Speaker 4: a fan of hem in the cartoon. He was offered
Speaker 4: the movie and he's like, sure, yeah, I'll do this,
Speaker 4: Like my son will really enjoy this. And what I
Speaker 4: love is it wasn't like, all right, I just tell
Speaker 4: me where to sit, you know, I'll just throw my
Speaker 4: mustache and call it a day. Where's the catering table?
Speaker 4: Like he dug into the script and was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: let's let's try this. Like this might be better. Like,
Speaker 4: he really invested in this and to this day talks
Speaker 4: about it being one of his favorite roles he's ever played.
Speaker 3: I would imagine that Franklin Jella has spent much of
Speaker 3: the last forty years encountering people who are like I
Speaker 3: love do eskeletor you know, like talk about a role
Speaker 3: that lives on with the very specific demographic.
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's funny because a year ago you and
Speaker 3: I were we talked through Superman Returns, which also features
Speaker 3: Frank Langella, and and he could not have appeared more bored, right, Right,
Speaker 3: So we sort of have the poles of Langella.
Speaker 4: The poles of Langella. That sounds like a made up
Speaker 4: mystical world, a fantasy novel. Load up the boats you
Speaker 4: need to head to the poles of Langela.
Speaker 3: You picture like a Frank Frazetta painted cover of some
Speaker 3: barbarian or something, right exactly exactly so, So now here
Speaker 3: is Eternia aka the Vasquez Rocks.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, this is like twenty minutes
Speaker 4: from my place.
Speaker 3: They had a lot of big ideas about shooting somewhere,
Speaker 3: you know, in Arizona or Montana or something they ended
Speaker 3: up No, let's just do the Vasquaz rocks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which, by the way, it look great. I mean
Speaker 4: they're very cinematic and are a lot of productions like,
Speaker 4: they're very recognizable.
Speaker 3: Very familiar. Yeah. So Dolph Lundgren, uh, he came with
Speaker 3: with the package. Basically by the time Gary Goddard signed on,
Speaker 3: he had one you know, major credit, which was Rocky four.
Speaker 3: And so I think some of his his inexperienced shines through,
Speaker 3: a lot of his inexperience shines through. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't there conditions about dubbing him, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So well apparently so it was in his contract that
Speaker 3: that if he was going to be dubbed, he was
Speaker 3: going to be allowed to go do it three times.
Speaker 4: Try it himself first before hiring another voice.
Speaker 3: He would do his own looping before it would move.
Speaker 3: You know, they bring somebody else in. Gary Goddard wanted
Speaker 3: somebody else. Cannon did not. Mm hmm. I think Mattel
Speaker 3: probably wanted somebody else too, And so essentially by virtue
Speaker 3: of giving him three tries, that allowed him to you know,
Speaker 3: to keep his to keep the job. And and I
Speaker 3: think this is weird, right, because, like I don't think
Speaker 3: his English is terrible in the movie. This is not
Speaker 3: like early Schwarzenegger sounding right right, right, right, like in
Speaker 3: terms of his ability to speak and and and enunci
Speaker 3: and stuff. I think it's fine. It's just he's not
Speaker 3: an experienced actor and so there isn't a lot of
Speaker 3: emoting going on, and so there there is, well, there's
Speaker 3: like zero internality for he Man in this movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's strange. He's almost a side character and
Speaker 4: he is.
Speaker 3: A secondary Yeah, it feels like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it do you think that is because of
Speaker 4: Dolph Lungren trying to mask him a little.
Speaker 3: Bit or.
Speaker 4: That was like I was just thinking about, like, it's
Speaker 4: strange that he Man doesn't make a very big impact
Speaker 4: as a character in his own movie, right, and people
Speaker 4: react to him in ways that don't quite make sense.
Speaker 4: Like Courtney Cox bonds with him immediately and is like,
Speaker 4: I'll miss you more than I've ever missed anyone before,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, I don't remember them ever connecting really,
Speaker 4: but you can imagine.
Speaker 3: Him, you know.
Speaker 4: But like I was thinking, you know, this is obvious,
Speaker 4: but you can imagine someone like Chris Hemsworth in that
Speaker 4: role and just the inherent charm that he brings, yeah,
Speaker 4: before he even speaks like that would just make the
Speaker 4: character feel a little bit more lived in and robust
Speaker 4: and why people respond to him the way that they do.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately with Lundren, I don't get that sense, and
Speaker 4: you just have to roll with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And certainly in the years since, the decades since,
Speaker 3: I think he has gotten better as an actor. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so kudos to him. I mean this is he was
Speaker 3: in his like twenty seven twenty eight when he made this,
Speaker 3: and he was basically signed on because he had a
Speaker 3: blonde hair and a physicists. Yeah he fit the bill,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah. Yeah. Gary Goddard said it much that
Speaker 3: the part of the reason he wanted somebody with the
Speaker 3: presence of Franklingello was to sort of give ballast. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and and sort of ends up being the eyes of
Speaker 3: the story, like who we experienced the story too through,
Speaker 3: which I think is somewhat true. You know, a couple
Speaker 3: of years back, I mentioned a movie called Biggles. Do
Speaker 3: you remember this? No reminder, it's about so there's a
Speaker 3: series of books about a World War One pilot named Biggles. Okay,
Speaker 3: and it's just it's just his Adventures. That's the series
Speaker 3: of books. And they made a movie in the eighties
Speaker 3: where they have an ad exec in the nineteen eighties
Speaker 3: who is hit by lightning and ends up back in
Speaker 3: time and meeting Biggles. Okay, and he keeps going back
Speaker 3: and forth and encountering Biggles. And I remember seeing that
Speaker 3: as a kid and being like, well, why aren't I
Speaker 3: don't care about this guy, you know, like Big Old,
Speaker 3: our main character is back there, you know, yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so this is this does a little bit of
Speaker 3: the Big Olds thing, Yeah, where where you know, we
Speaker 3: have these these human characters who we sort of experienced
Speaker 3: the story through, which is odd but somewhat understandable given
Speaker 3: the time where you know, the the budget and effects
Speaker 3: technology wasn't there to fully depict the world of he
Speaker 3: Man as we know it or as we knew it.
Speaker 3: The other thing is, when you think about it, I
Speaker 3: mean this movie just drops us into the world. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: And you.
Speaker 4: Just get a narration at the beginning, really quickly trying
Speaker 4: to say and it's very boilerplate, right yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 4: And I think that says something about how much he
Speaker 4: Man and and this mytho sort of existed in the
Speaker 4: in the you know, in the in the ether at
Speaker 4: that time, where it was just known.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he man skeletal. Everybody kind of got it, even
Speaker 3: though this it was waning by the time this movie
Speaker 3: came out. I this is the thing. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's it's possible to even summarize what a big freaking
Speaker 3: deal Masters of the Universe was at its peak. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so that's when this movie arrived. I just think
Speaker 3: it came too late to capitalize on it, right. I
Speaker 3: mean it's like it's like if the first Ninja Turtles
Speaker 3: movie came out in like ninety four, right, yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: they just would have missed the window, right.
Speaker 4: You know, man, they really did get on that.
Speaker 3: I mean right away, right. I think they learned from this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But you know, it's interesting thinking of Superman four
Speaker 4: and this movie coming out so close together and in
Speaker 4: the public's imagination, that's what superhero movies are, that's right, right,
Speaker 4: Like these sort of cheap, you know, ramshackle movies that
Speaker 4: kids like and adults tolerate when they have to drag
Speaker 4: them there on a Saturday afternoon, and only two years
Speaker 4: later you would get Tim Burton's Batman.
Speaker 3: Just resets the compass forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like or at least to this day, right, and
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden they're for everyone, right, and
Speaker 4: they're taken more seriously, and they have bigger budgets and
Speaker 4: they have more.
Speaker 3: Scope, and they're more sophisticated.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, like to imagine, like we're just living in
Speaker 4: that universe now and it's just watching this reminded me
Speaker 4: that like, oh, this is what people thought superhero movies
Speaker 4: were for a while, and now it's something where like
Speaker 4: everyone checks them out, they're taken seriously. They're the highest
Speaker 4: grossing movies of the year. You know, my parents watched them.
Speaker 4: You know, it's Batman eighty nine really did change at everything.
Speaker 3: So so two points here. First of all, Christina Pickles,
Speaker 3: who plays the Sorceress, just just what seven years later
Speaker 3: she would play Monica's mom on Friends? Yeah right, little
Speaker 3: could she have known? Right? Isn't it funny both of them? Right,
Speaker 3: like their lives were intertwined from this moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The other thing is is you think John Cipher,
Speaker 3: who plays Man at Arms, felt embarrassed wearing a helmet
Speaker 3: that looks like you could buy it at the toy isle,
Speaker 3: like a Costco at an Osco at jewel Osco. Right right, right,
Speaker 3: doesn't it look like that? Like it definitely does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which, speaking of costumes and everything, I mean this
Speaker 4: skeletor face design that is great is amazing because it
Speaker 4: does look like a skull, but it doesn't look it
Speaker 4: looks like its own thing at the same time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it allows Langella to emote that's right, you know,
Speaker 4: like we get a real clear look at his eyes
Speaker 4: and he's able to have some physicality in his face
Speaker 4: with it. Like it's just as great, perfect design. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the makeup design for this film was by Michael Westmore,
Speaker 3: who would go on to become the guy for Star
Speaker 3: Trek from nineteen eighty seven to two thousand and five.
Speaker 3: So you know when you look at Wharf and Data
Speaker 3: and the Borg and all those, that's all Michael Westmore, right, uh,
Speaker 3: and you see you see that in the skeletor face here.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, this this skeletor mask ended up
Speaker 3: in a Next Generation episode and ins Holo deck scene. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Well why not?
Speaker 3: It looks great.
Speaker 4: I mean this set looks great too, you know, I
Speaker 4: think it's pretty sweet.
Speaker 3: I think so. See, I I think, as I said before, right,
Speaker 3: if if you just look at this set, you're like, man,
Speaker 3: look at the scale for this movie, right m hm.
Speaker 3: But like I said, once we moved past Eternial, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: they spent all their money on gray skull, right right.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I wanted to mention, by the way, Meg Foster, who
Speaker 3: plays Evil in Yeah, I mean just these amazing eyes,
Speaker 3: right oh yeah yeah yeah, and you and when you
Speaker 3: read about it, you're like, yeah, that's why she got
Speaker 3: the part is because she's got these amazing eyes.
Speaker 4: I mean for people can't see them. I mean they're
Speaker 4: just this really interesting and unique, like icy blue gray.
Speaker 3: I've never seen eyes that that color ever other than her.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's uh it looks like she's wearing
Speaker 4: special contacts or something.
Speaker 3: That that was her actual ideolol, that's just her. She's Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I was gonna say she's in They Live also,
Speaker 4: is what I know.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, yeah, yeah, uh yeah. They were talking
Speaker 3: about Sarah Douglas, who played Ursa in the Superman films,
Speaker 3: playing Evil Linn and I, yeah, I say, I can
Speaker 3: absolutely see that. But I'm sure she was like, can
Speaker 3: I not make a career out of standing next to
Speaker 3: a guy who keeps wanting people to kneel in front
Speaker 3: of him.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, you're right, sah.
Speaker 3: But Meg Foster is great. I love her as evil
Speaker 3: in Yeah.
Speaker 4: She doesn't have a ton to do, but speaking, you know,
Speaker 4: the opposite of what I was saying about duff Lungren.
Speaker 4: She brings so much in her stars and her smirks
Speaker 4: and her the way she the postures her body like
Speaker 4: she's bringing a lot and.
Speaker 3: Making that charcter very memorable. I love.
Speaker 4: I think these eighties effects look cool. They fit within
Speaker 4: this film.
Speaker 3: I agree with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think even down to just real quick
Speaker 4: the Sorceress, Yeah, just that really subtle effect of having
Speaker 4: a light overhead, you know, making her look illuminated and
Speaker 4: trapped in that light like that.
Speaker 3: That's easy. Anyone could do that, but like it's.
Speaker 4: Imaginative, you know, and it feels otherworldly and like she's
Speaker 4: trapped in a beam of light. And I just feel
Speaker 4: like you don't need something like to animate all these
Speaker 4: other extra things going around her. Like that is enough
Speaker 4: and it looks really cool and I think is a
Speaker 4: smart use of their budget.
Speaker 3: That's really true. I think that by working within their limitations,
Speaker 3: you become less obvious of where those imitations are. And
Speaker 3: and you know, I think that certainly for me seeing
Speaker 3: this as a kid, I didn't grock that this was
Speaker 3: a very low budget movie. Yeah right, you know, and
Speaker 3: I again, now it's very clear. Like I said, man
Speaker 3: at arms wearing that jewel Osco helmet, Yeah yeah, that
Speaker 3: just sticks out. It does look like army helmet, yeah
Speaker 3: right exactly. Like you know, I was like, does he
Speaker 3: feel embarrassed during that? It is amusing to me how
Speaker 3: much of this film is spent on gwildor doing something
Speaker 3: and the other characters being like, oh, gwildor.
Speaker 4: That's a lot I know, which he is totally fine.
Speaker 3: I guess he's team WORKO.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, right, because that character was
Speaker 4: too difficult for them to realize within their budget, I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so too too. Glaring missions are Orco and
Speaker 3: Battlecat yeah right right, which I suppose we should be
Speaker 3: grateful they didn't try to put either of them in.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, like these stock images of a tiger
Speaker 4: that they painted green.
Speaker 3: Right exactly. I don't even know what that would look like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I guess said ghul door does. I mean,
Speaker 4: the performance is really good, I'm not sure. I'm crazy
Speaker 4: about the design, Like it sort of looks like a
Speaker 4: toy that's been partially melted in the sun, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, versus like a real distinct, definitive design
Speaker 4: of like a character.
Speaker 3: There's a bit later where he's like guzzling down barbecue
Speaker 3: sauce or whatever. Yeah, and I'm just picturing what the
Speaker 3: actor must have been going through, Yeah, with just just
Speaker 3: gunk call over his suit. You know.
Speaker 4: I do think about that a lot when you see
Speaker 4: suits like this and they have hair and sort of
Speaker 4: fine parts to it, and when they do don't get
Speaker 4: in a river or they pour barbecue sauce over the beard.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, it's maybe it's funny, you know in
Speaker 4: the movie, but like, was that a pain in the
Speaker 4: butt to yeah, reset and clean up or whatever? Dry clean?
Speaker 4: I don't know. But Billy Bardy playing Guilder, who I
Speaker 4: think of as the cameraman from Jeff, I mean, he's
Speaker 4: in a lot of things, but that's wow.
Speaker 3: I forgot he's in u ahef see. I know him
Speaker 3: from this and the year after this he was in
Speaker 3: Willow right right, which that's the that's the other thing
Speaker 3: because Willow, of course stars Warwick Davis, who was the Leprechaun,
Speaker 3: which starred Jennifer Aniston. M hm, And so I wonder, like,
Speaker 3: does Courtney Cox think of this movie in her filmography
Speaker 3: the way Jennifer Aniston thinks of probably thinks of Leprechaun.
Speaker 4: You know what's funny. I was a little dismayed. I
Speaker 4: saw an interview with Sarah Jessica Parker and she was
Speaker 4: being interviewed about all I think it was called Random Rules,
Speaker 4: and they asked her about Flight of the Navigator, like, Ah,
Speaker 4: do you have any memories from working on that when
Speaker 4: you were younger? And she was like like, no, I
Speaker 4: don't remember that at all. Why would you even.
Speaker 3: Ask me that?
Speaker 4: Like paraphrasing, but she had like kind of a weird
Speaker 4: attitude about it, And so it's interesting some people want
Speaker 4: to distance themselves from those things, and you wonder for
Speaker 4: Courtney Cox, she I don't know, but maybe it's like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 4: that was exciting. It was a one of my first roles. Well,
Speaker 4: I think she had done before that was the Bruce
Speaker 4: Springsteen music video where she's dancing on stage and this
Speaker 4: well no, that's not true.
Speaker 3: She had been in a television show called Misfits of Science. Oh, okay, well,
Speaker 3: I mean films, but yeah, yeah, Misfits Science, Yeah, which
Speaker 3: is I only know this and that was probably like
Speaker 3: eighty four eighty five, and it starred Dean Paul Martin,
Speaker 3: who was the son of Dean Martin, okay, and it
Speaker 3: starred the guy who the guy played the Predator Okay,
Speaker 3: I forget his name, Paul, yeah, the tall guy yeah,
Speaker 3: and Max right, okay, right, And basically it was like
Speaker 3: X Men, but for you know, network television.
Speaker 4: Interesting, okay, and I it was a fun.
Speaker 3: Showed last like thirteen episodes. But I only know it
Speaker 3: because I saw this in summer of eighty seven. And
Speaker 3: Courtney Cox is very distinctive. She was speaking of distinctive eyes, right,
Speaker 3: her eyes stay with me, and I knew her name,
Speaker 3: and then I came, you know, that was in Edmonton,
Speaker 3: came back to Saudi Arabia and wouldn't you know they
Speaker 3: were showing Misfits of Science on TV. I'd never seen
Speaker 3: it before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never heard of it.
Speaker 3: And so summer of eighty seven was when I first
Speaker 3: saw alf and this, so I knew both Max Right
Speaker 3: and Courtney Cox because.
Speaker 4: Of this, and that is amazing.
Speaker 3: Kevin Peter Hall, that's the Predator actor's name, okay, right, right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he passed away shortly. Gosh, I think after the second
Speaker 3: movie he passed away.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 3: You know about that. He was in like a car accident,
Speaker 3: I believe, and he was given HIV infected blood.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, heal this but I didn't remember that. Wow,
Speaker 4: that is sad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robert, Robert duncan McNeil, he uh just actually, right
Speaker 3: around the same time Courtney Cox was on Friends, he
Speaker 3: would star on Star Trek Voyager and oh he did
Speaker 3: all right there, he's now a TV director. He does
Speaker 3: pretty well for himself.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 3: Now. I have to say, both of these actors do
Speaker 3: a good job with what they're given in this movie.
Speaker 4: I completely agree. They're fun. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think you know, we were talking about like whether like
Speaker 3: like Jennifer Anston probably looks back with embarrassment at Leprechaun,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, Courtney Cox, she gets actually a
Speaker 3: full range of emotion to portray in this film. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: nothing to be embarrassed about. I don't think, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she does do kind of an old school move.
Speaker 4: I feel like we don't see much anymore, which is
Speaker 4: the like standing and screaming and gripping your hair and
Speaker 4: face thing. I think she gets like a couple of those.
Speaker 3: But like, hey, if if the ghost of your mom
Speaker 3: turns into evil Lynn, that's what you'd do too, right right.
Speaker 4: Which, by the way, going back a little bit, you
Speaker 4: were talking talking about Dolph Lungern possibly having to have
Speaker 4: his role or his performance dubbed over by another actor. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when was the last time something like that has happened,
Speaker 4: like a major character in the film. I mean, I
Speaker 4: think of Schwarzenegger in the Hercules movies, right, and like
Speaker 4: older films. But is that something that's happened in recent memory?
Speaker 3: Not recent recent, but I mean this is not too
Speaker 3: see Look at that. Look at the barbecue sauce on
Speaker 3: his chin and stuff. So gross. I know. In Flash
Speaker 3: Gordon nineteen eighty so too long before this, Sam J. Jones,
Speaker 3: who plays Flash Gordon, his voice was dubbed. It's a
Speaker 3: completely dubbed performance.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: And then in I believe it was nineteen eighty three
Speaker 3: or four, there's a movie called Gray Stoke. The Legend
Speaker 3: of Tarzan, right, which that has Christoph f Lambert as Tarzan.
Speaker 3: His voice is not dubbed. However, Jane is played by
Speaker 3: Andy McDowell and her voice is dubbed by Glenn Close.
Speaker 4: I did know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, wait, I want to talk about this
Speaker 3: scene real quick. Yeah. So we're establishing the people on
Speaker 3: Eternia are vegetarian, I guess, right, yeah, But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Man at Arms is like fully on board. He's like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he knows exactly what. He's like, Oh, that's
Speaker 3: a rib bone, and he's having a grand old time.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, what is the what is the
Speaker 3: meal structure on Eternia? Thinking about this, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Maybe he travels.
Speaker 4: He's well traveled, or he was in the military at
Speaker 4: some point and they, you know, spent time in other worlds,
Speaker 4: and he knows other cultures that Eternia isn't familiar with.
Speaker 3: I don't know, see the way Tila is like, how
Speaker 3: could you eat animals? What?
Speaker 2: What? You know?
Speaker 3: Like it's barbaric. But Man at Arms isn't like, well,
Speaker 3: you gotta do it right, right, He's like, oh, like
Speaker 3: so in other words, he loves the taste of flesh
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Which is hilarious because I'm thinking like, oh, that sounds
Speaker 4: so horrifying, but I'm like, wait, no, so do I
Speaker 4: That is funny though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've spent a lot of time, like maybe too
Speaker 3: much time thinking about that again, right, Like in the
Speaker 3: cartoon show, they're having banquets and they're eating like chicken stuff.
Speaker 3: There's plenty of drumsticks I've seen in the cartoons, so
Speaker 3: you know, this is clearly meant to be doing something different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's showing them as fish out of water,
Speaker 4: like where they don't know what a cow is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, and yeah, you know, just looking at this
Speaker 4: shot in the cemetery and kind of how beautiful it is.
Speaker 4: I was going to remark earlier, you know, with the
Speaker 4: limitations we're talking about that this film's working with, I
Speaker 4: do feel like there's something to be said about the filmmaking,
Speaker 4: like some good camera work being shot on film, which
Speaker 4: just gives an cinematic sheen to everything. I feel like
Speaker 4: a lot of those things, the fact that it's lit
Speaker 4: well right, you know, go a long way and helping
Speaker 4: to sell whatever they have to work with here.
Speaker 3: Also, so credit to that. Now, now you have many
Speaker 3: a time commented and how how one of one of
Speaker 3: your favorite places in movies is the fantasy outside your window?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm yep, So so does this tickle your fancy there?
Speaker 4: One hundred percent? I even thought about it. Where you
Speaker 4: have you know, this futuristic you know, army of like
Speaker 4: robot soldiers and these floating vehicles marching down a suburban
Speaker 4: downtown street like that is just chef's kiss for me.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it would have been nice to see at least
Speaker 3: a few people on the on said streets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dropping their shopping bags and be like oh and
Speaker 4: running away.
Speaker 3: Absolutely No, we needed one guy being like, well that's
Speaker 3: not something you see every day. That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Wait, so when you were a kid then and you
Speaker 4: were a huge fan of the cartoon, and then you're
Speaker 4: getting to see the movie where you disappointed that it didn't,
Speaker 4: you know, the locations didn't resemble what you were used
Speaker 4: to from the cartoon.
Speaker 3: See this, This is what's so interesting is that. So yes,
Speaker 3: I was dare I say, I was probably a he
Speaker 3: Man fan longer than you by like a year or so,
Speaker 3: because I got in before the cartoon.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure, And I mean even since, like
Speaker 4: you've seen all the other ones, and absolutely I look
Speaker 4: to you as the masters of the universe experts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've said this before. Like, so that
Speaker 3: first batch of figures, I got them. I didn't even
Speaker 3: need the cartoon to get me in. I was like
Speaker 3: three or four, you know, I had he Man skeletor Merman,
Speaker 3: Man at Arms, beast Man like this is the first wave, right,
Speaker 3: And then the cartoon started a year or so later.
Speaker 3: And I remember seeing the cartoon and being like, I
Speaker 3: didn't think, like, this toy that I played with is
Speaker 3: a thing on my TV now, Like I've never seen
Speaker 3: that before, you know. Yeah, but bear in mind, I
Speaker 3: I during the eighties. What I was used to was
Speaker 3: this thing that you play with or that you read
Speaker 3: in a comic or whatever. Never is never like this
Speaker 3: when you see it on the TV. M. So, yes,
Speaker 3: there is the Incredible Hulk, but his name is David
Speaker 3: Banner and his origin is totally different, and he doesn't talk,
Speaker 3: and and I was just like, well, that's just how
Speaker 3: it is, right, right. Oh, here's Spider Man on TV,
Speaker 3: but there's no Uncle Ben and he doesn't swing a lot.
Speaker 3: And that's just how it is, you know, I mean
Speaker 3: it's you know, so when I saw this, I was
Speaker 3: literally I mean I was seven, yeah, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that's just how it is. I was like her, it's
Speaker 3: really weird. I was like, oh, well, he man doesn't
Speaker 3: have the furry underwear and the you know, and he's
Speaker 3: got a cake for some reason. And well that's just
Speaker 3: how it is, you.
Speaker 4: Know, hard lessons at a young age, it really like.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't even like me being upset. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, how else would it be, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, And so I was just like listen, like
Speaker 3: like here, like right here, we have Skeletor's goon squad,
Speaker 3: which is composed of who huh and beast Man. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah right. And it's like, well, I'm just glad we
Speaker 3: got beast Man. I guess. You know. That kind of.
Speaker 4: Reminds me for me, you know, with the the Ninja
Speaker 4: Turtles movie, right, and You're like, and now let's spend
Speaker 4: some time with Danny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, really, who's Danny? Like seriously?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Like like when when that's actually a great example, like
Speaker 3: when Ninja Turtles one came out, I don't know, about you.
Speaker 3: But I was like not even expecting the technodrome or craying,
Speaker 3: right right right. I was like, of course you're not
Speaker 3: going to get that, you know. Yeah, And and you
Speaker 3: know the fact that, like I guess it's like ten
Speaker 3: years old now, right, they did the sequel Out of
Speaker 3: the Shadows, the sequel to the Michael Baywin and we
Speaker 3: got the technodrome and craying in the big suit and whatever.
Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, yeah, because we've never seen
Speaker 3: that before.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 3: Was just like, well, this is just what it is,
Speaker 3: you know, And I was fine with that. I think
Speaker 3: I was more disappointed that we never got at that
Speaker 3: time he Man and Skeletor toys that looked like the
Speaker 3: he Man and Skeletor in this movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was reading about that. Apparently they did make
Speaker 4: a couple toys they did based on the side characters,
Speaker 4: but not the movie versions of the main characters.
Speaker 3: That's right, So they did. They had gwildor Blade and Saurod,
Speaker 3: and I remember those toys because they had the Masters
Speaker 3: of the Universe packaging, but they had like film strip images.
Speaker 4: I kind of remember this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess what I've read is that there
Speaker 3: was some kind of a rights issue where they didn't
Speaker 3: make the right deal with William Stout, who's the production designer,
Speaker 3: to include toys, which seems like kind of a major
Speaker 3: foul up if if it's a toy based you know,
Speaker 3: they you know. But I remember, like a year or
Speaker 3: so after this movie, I mean, this is this movie
Speaker 3: came out as the as Masters of the Universe was
Speaker 3: breathing its last right, So about a year or so
Speaker 3: later you had like I want to say, it was
Speaker 3: like laser he Man who had like the mullet, like
Speaker 3: like dolf one Grand and a cape and he looks
Speaker 3: close ish to the he Man in this movie. That's
Speaker 3: the closest they got. But by then, I mean, the
Speaker 3: misfortune about the timing is that there's like a variety
Speaker 3: of factors. But this one came out right as the
Speaker 3: toy line was dying out, and I think Mattel, well,
Speaker 3: I guess Mattel and Cannon, We're both hoping it would
Speaker 3: reverse their respective fortunes. Right, didn't happen, So it ends
Speaker 3: up being sort of the one of the last nails.
Speaker 3: And then like a year later, the Ninja Turtles show
Speaker 3: up and that's it.
Speaker 4: Then yep, yep, right, and amazing that they have never
Speaker 4: really gone away.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I yeah, I Other than there was probably
Speaker 3: like a five year spell I would say, from like
Speaker 3: ninety seven to two hm. That was like a right
Speaker 3: because because you had the original show, which went from
Speaker 3: like eighty seven to ninety seven or thereabouts, right, and
Speaker 3: then at some point there was the that live action show.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that? I do?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, when they had the the female Turtle that's right,
Speaker 4: Venus de my Lenus yep, yep, yep, yeah, and then
Speaker 4: and then but it basically went away, and then I
Speaker 4: think in O two they had that that new series.
Speaker 4: Yeahah over a Nickelodeon.
Speaker 3: No, No, before the Nickelodeon there was a Nickelodeon had
Speaker 3: the CG animated one. Okay, but before that there was
Speaker 3: like it was it was it was before Nickelodeon bought
Speaker 3: the Turtles anyway, my point, Yeah, you're right, there was
Speaker 3: like this brief lull, which is simi to what the
Speaker 3: Transformers had earlier in the nineties. And that's why from
Speaker 3: them from the eighties you got Transformers and Turtles. Those
Speaker 3: are the only ones that have like consistently lasted.
Speaker 4: That's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Like he Man. If not for he Man, you don't
Speaker 3: get g I Joe, you don't get Transformers, you don't
Speaker 3: get Turtles because he wrote he Man wrote the playbook, right,
Speaker 3: you have a toy line, you come up with the
Speaker 3: animated thing, and then bah blah blah blah. This fight
Speaker 3: scene that's coming up here, by the way, I really
Speaker 3: like it. It's shot, well, you got these great kind
Speaker 3: of you know, the red and the light, the red
Speaker 3: and the green lights.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, right, I mean, if this was
Speaker 4: shot for twenty dollars, it sure doesn't look like it,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, because it's executed well.
Speaker 3: Well, I think what helps is that the people making
Speaker 3: it weren't looking down on it. They were and it's
Speaker 3: not like they were coming at it as fans necessarily
Speaker 3: because they weren't. It's not like they grew up with
Speaker 3: It's not like Travis Knight making this new one right right, right,
Speaker 3: who's like part of the he Man generation. But you know,
Speaker 3: Gary Godter talked about how, you know, he got the
Speaker 3: gig because he had done the like the Conan Stunt
Speaker 3: Show for Universal. Oh interesting, right, and he was at
Speaker 3: the time he was developing Captain Power for Mattel Oh wow, okay,
Speaker 3: which that show started in fall of eighty seven, so
Speaker 3: shortly after this movie came out. But he talked about it.
Speaker 3: He was inspired by you know, Frank Frizetta paintings and like,
Speaker 3: and he's actually said the the the Fourth World characters
Speaker 3: from d C that Jack Kirby creates, like dark Side
Speaker 3: and and and you know Oryan and all that. You know,
Speaker 3: and you've seen dark Side, right, Like that's basically what
Speaker 3: Skeletor is doing. You talk about Doctor Doom. How Skeletor
Speaker 3: is like a Doctor Doom totally very you can very
Speaker 3: much see that. Uh. And so my point is like
Speaker 3: he he was still trying to he he wasn't looking
Speaker 3: down on it, like for example, you know, you know
Speaker 3: Richard Lester doing Superman sequels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, where it's
Speaker 3: clear that he was like, well, I can't take any
Speaker 3: of this seriously, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's winking a little bit.
Speaker 3: Winking exactly like I think this fight sequence is good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's interesting is that initially they had been Mattel basically
Speaker 3: had veto power over over I need decisions, right, So
Speaker 3: they're like, well, he Man can't hurt anybody or kill anybody. Sure,
Speaker 3: and Goddard is like, well, Jesus Christ, what we're supposed
Speaker 3: to do? You know? Yeah, and that's why they came
Speaker 3: up with the Black Stormtrooper. Guys, yeah, there are robots,
Speaker 3: I guess right, yeah, they're robots, so you know. And
Speaker 3: and then everybody looks at it and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a Star Wars rip off. And He's like, I
Speaker 3: didn't want to put I didn't want to put them
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you do
Speaker 4: feel intentional or not a real Star Wars influence.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that That's the funny thing is that
Speaker 3: Star Wars is itself partly the origin of Masters in
Speaker 3: the Universe as a concept. Sure, because Lucasfilm went to
Speaker 3: Mattel first and for the toys back in the seventies,
Speaker 3: and Mattel is like, the hell is this right? Get
Speaker 3: out it, get out of here, close the door behind you.
Speaker 3: They said, probably, you know, and then cut to nine
Speaker 3: months later they're like huh yeah, yeah, so they were
Speaker 3: like chasing that dragon, right, and so's they were. They
Speaker 3: were literally like, why are we trying to license something
Speaker 3: that we hope will be the next Star Wars. Want
Speaker 3: we just create our own thing and then roll the dice.
Speaker 3: And so that's what leads to Masters of the Universe.
Speaker 3: And that's all in the documentary, I'm sure, which is
Speaker 3: very interesting. I definitely, Oh it's worth watching. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: so this is like ten years later, and it's just weird, right,
Speaker 3: how all it all intersects. You cannot disentangle Star Wars
Speaker 3: from the breadth of eighties pop culture totally. Everything is
Speaker 3: either trying to be it or trying not to be
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 4: Right, and this is only four years after Return of
Speaker 4: the Jedi, I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were commercials, like certainly in the UK where
Speaker 3: it's like the Star Wars of the eighties. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: we already had the Star Wars of the eighties. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Star Wars is Star Wars of the eighties. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Which, by the way, from that last battle, I was
Speaker 4: thinking this the other night watching this. Say what you
Speaker 4: will about special effects from the seventies or eighties, they yeah,
Speaker 4: from the beginning, really nailed blaster fire. Yeah, it looks
Speaker 4: great in Star Wars. It looks great in this movie.
Speaker 4: Something about the way that it actually looks like it's
Speaker 4: in the environment and the speed that it's going from
Speaker 4: the gun to its target. Yeah, they've always been really
Speaker 4: good at that.
Speaker 3: Well, and this is something you and I talked about
Speaker 3: just recently. But animated lightning. Yes, there's plenty of animated
Speaker 3: lightning in this movie, and I'm all about that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: me too.
Speaker 4: Now this is cool effect too, by the way, I
Speaker 4: mean just this, I agree, little fireworks display over the
Speaker 4: the key. And by the way, look usually in a
Speaker 4: special effects shot like that in the eighties, the visual
Speaker 4: is a little degraded because they've had to, like you know,
Speaker 4: optically put the effect on it and reprint the frame
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. But that was really clean and
Speaker 4: I was really admiring that, and the and the shot
Speaker 4: earlier with Courtney Cox too when they're using the key.
Speaker 3: Well, this is something you know. Richard Edlind who did
Speaker 3: the effects, he mastered the effects on sixty five, so
Speaker 3: they are high, high resolution. Yeah, and talk about forward thinking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it looks great because you don't see a degradation whenever
Speaker 3: we switched to these effects shots totally. And I also noticed,
Speaker 3: especially on the one with the guy in Courtney Cox,
Speaker 3: the light was dancing on their faces, so someone in
Speaker 3: the location thought to put some sort of little strobe
Speaker 3: effect on their face so it looks like the you know,
Speaker 3: they're actually interacting with the effect, which is really smart. Okay,
Speaker 3: so here, So so Julie has been a couple of
Speaker 3: things here actually, like what are they doing at the
Speaker 3: gym where it's like a sound check where nobody's there,
Speaker 3: and he's like, I'm gonna do this thing now. Bear
Speaker 3: in mind he's gonna he's his Julie is leaving like tomorrow, right, yes,
Speaker 3: so you're telling me, bro can't wait like a day
Speaker 3: to have this synthesizer quote unquote looked at right, They
Speaker 3: as to leave his girlfriend there. But but so she's
Speaker 3: being chased by these weirdos in various stages of undress
Speaker 3: and then he man shows up and and he's like
Speaker 3: trust me, and I'm like, well why, I mean, he
Speaker 3: looks just like those other guys.
Speaker 4: I was thinking that too, Like she's very like immediately
Speaker 4: like sure, and then just kind of hugging him and feeling,
Speaker 4: you know, protected by him. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: if I saw anybody look like they stepped out of
Speaker 4: a science fiction story at this.
Speaker 3: Point, Like you see him standing next to Blade. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. They both look like they're on the
Speaker 3: same team if you don't know any better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: We know what they're doing here. Yeah, so James Tolkien,
Speaker 3: now this is this is a year after Top Gun
Speaker 3: and two years after Back to the Future. So my
Speaker 3: man's having a moment. Yep. And what I love is
Speaker 3: that he's playing this like hard as nails. Brooklyn, cop
Speaker 3: in like the most quiet town in America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like southern California suburbs.
Speaker 3: Do we even know that this is California?
Speaker 4: Well no, but I just yeah, they never say, right.
Speaker 4: It is very funny though, Yeah, yeah, his accent.
Speaker 3: And what's funny to me is like I feel like
Speaker 3: this character lubic, like he's got some kind of an
Speaker 3: arc that they just missed out on. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You could get that sense throughout the whole movie that
Speaker 4: there's probably a lot more that they wanted to do,
Speaker 4: but they just couldn't budget it, so they whittled it
Speaker 4: down to what they absolutely could carry out.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I oh, I definitely agree with that. I think that, uh,
Speaker 3: they were probably very happy to get him because he
Speaker 3: was a pretty familiar face and he'd been in some
Speaker 3: pretty big deal movies. I just say the first time
Speaker 3: I saw him was in this because I saw both
Speaker 3: Back to the Future and Top Gun after this. So
Speaker 3: to me, he's not mister Strickland. He's lubic.
Speaker 4: Oh that's really funny. Well, and for him, I mean
Speaker 4: he always plays like a certain type, right, I mean
Speaker 4: he's very memorable in BacT.
Speaker 3: To this place James Tolkien type.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he probably has about a minute of screen time, right,
Speaker 4: he just makes a big impact. But in this, as
Speaker 4: far as I have seen, this is his media's role.
Speaker 3: He gets the most to do. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of fun watching him do his thing
Speaker 4: and actually play a character, see, not like a type.
Speaker 3: What strikes me is they should have done like they
Speaker 3: should have done like a like a Chief Brody thing
Speaker 3: where he's like afraid of aliens or something, and then
Speaker 3: now he's going to live with them exactly right, like
Speaker 3: like that's yeah. They kind of allude to it a
Speaker 3: little bit where it's he's talking to these other cops
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, not agandalubic or something. Maybe he's
Speaker 3: like he's got this thing about aliens and you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sort of like the Randy Quaid character in Independence day,
Speaker 4: like exactly, you had an experience that he can't explain
Speaker 4: and people are tired of hearing about it.
Speaker 3: But because his ending in the movie makes like not
Speaker 3: even a little bit of sense he's been there. I mean,
Speaker 3: like I don't we'll feel like there's a well, we'll
Speaker 3: get there, we'll get it.
Speaker 4: But it makes me laugh, Like if you're writing this
Speaker 4: movie's wavelength, you know, it's really funny. See this is
Speaker 4: like there's not like a ton on the page necessarily,
Speaker 4: but this moment between Skeletor and Evil Lynn and just
Speaker 4: in her eyes, like how she really admires him and
Speaker 4: but he treats her so badly, And yeah, her little
Speaker 4: arc sort of silent, but her arc with him sort
Speaker 4: of turning on him a bit.
Speaker 3: Dude, she does even weight to turn on him. That's
Speaker 3: that's also really funny.
Speaker 4: But look at the way she's looking at him and
Speaker 4: then she kind of like this, they're just bringing so much.
Speaker 3: You know, I agree with that well. And Meg Foster
Speaker 3: is interesting because like she talked about how the armor
Speaker 3: thing that they gave her was so uncomfortable that it
Speaker 3: sort of arched her back in a specific way. And
Speaker 3: yet like that really does add to, so there's like
Speaker 3: a regalness to her gait totally. You know. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: here I'm wondering why they killed off like the cooler
Speaker 3: looking a mercenary guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sort of he doesn't look like him necessarily,
Speaker 4: but sort of like a general grievous type of Yeah,
Speaker 4: expect to like part robot, part organic, kind of.
Speaker 3: Like a like a lizard guy. Yeah, Like, what's that
Speaker 3: guy's deal? Then?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 3: Just because I remember watching this in the theater and
Speaker 3: definitely going, oh yeah. One of my clearest memories of
Speaker 3: seeing this in the theater I was I was seven
Speaker 3: going on eight, so my brother would have been, you know,
Speaker 3: twelve gone on thirteen, and we were in Edmonton and
Speaker 3: my uncle dropped us off at the movie theater and
Speaker 3: just left, which I think about to this day. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I would never in a million years do that.
Speaker 4: That's how it used to be, though, I mean, that's
Speaker 4: how it was right when we'd be like seven or something,
Speaker 4: you drop us off at the theater to go watch
Speaker 4: The Lamb Before Time or something exactly.
Speaker 3: And I would like, it's just so weird. I'm like,
Speaker 3: are we more paranoid now? Or were we not paranoid
Speaker 3: enough then.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I remember a kid sitting in
Speaker 3: the row in front of me, and he must have
Speaker 3: been five ish, probably he was younger for sure, And
Speaker 3: at one point in the movie he goes, he man
Speaker 3: is the bestest man, and I remember being like, oh,
Speaker 3: this young pup. I love his youthful enthusiasm, you know,
Speaker 3: because I'm like seven, right right? That is lit.
Speaker 4: It's amazing you remember that to this day.
Speaker 3: I was. I was just talking about that with Amana.
Speaker 3: I was like, what a weird thing to have such
Speaker 3: a specific recollection, But I remember that very he man
Speaker 3: is the bestest man.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the evil in moment. I like where she
Speaker 4: and then he just kind of shoves her and like
Speaker 4: you're going too, and she's like, well, I wasn't suggested
Speaker 4: that he's spoken. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 4: I like that dynamic between them. It's interesting.
Speaker 3: I certainly love Langella's skeletor of voice. I'm glad they
Speaker 3: didn't try to do Alan Oppenheimer's you know, high pitched thing.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, relationship. I don't think that would have worked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It is interesting as well that they didn't incorporate the
Speaker 3: Prince Adam thing, Like you'd think that that would have
Speaker 3: been a good way to, like when he's on Earth,
Speaker 3: have him blend in or something, you know, mm hmmmm hmm.
Speaker 4: I mean, just there's so much going on in this
Speaker 4: movie and even having to explain there's this other world
Speaker 4: but they can come to Earth because of a key,
Speaker 4: and there's this castle that the these two people are battling, like,
Speaker 4: it's just maybe too many things going on. Yeah, to
Speaker 4: introduce the fact that he has a secret identity.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pretty terrible secret identity when you really
Speaker 3: think about it, because it's just he takes his shirt
Speaker 3: off and suddenly nobody knows what happened to Adam. Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I rewatched the pilot of the cartoon show because
Speaker 4: I hadn't seen it since I was a kid, and
Speaker 4: just in preparation for this, and it was fun to
Speaker 4: go back.
Speaker 3: And like, what was what was the episode?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: I mean Skeltor wants to take over?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like it's like I don't even remember, but it's a
Speaker 4: lot of you know, the parents, like, oh, there goes
Speaker 4: Prince Adam running away from danger again. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: he becomes he Man, and you know it's it's it's.
Speaker 3: Janky. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 4: Totally see why I liked it. It's fun, you know,
Speaker 4: it's the colors are fun, the characters are fun, orco
Speaker 4: is fun.
Speaker 3: Like, I totally get why I loved.
Speaker 4: It as a kid.
Speaker 3: Well, and I mean it was a phenomenon, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that that's the thing, this idea of a
Speaker 3: Monday through Friday series that was based on a toy
Speaker 3: that had not happened until Masters the Universe. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you know that, like it's so funny because we look
Speaker 3: back at the eighties and at least for me, I know,
Speaker 3: you know, between he Man and Transformers and g I Joe,
Speaker 3: Like that's my childhood. And now as an adult, I'm like, god, damn,
Speaker 3: that's cynical these products. Yeah yeah, it's like just just
Speaker 3: toy commercial after toy commercials. But as a kid, I'm like,
Speaker 3: it meant so much to me. So I have this
Speaker 3: this I have like such a bipolar relationship with this stuff.
Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying, and you're not entirely wrong, probably,
Speaker 4: but it did engage with your imagination, Yeah, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like it did involve you, which is
Speaker 4: kind of a special thing.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the funny thing because these shows all ended
Speaker 3: this was He Man and g I Joe, right, they
Speaker 3: would end with the lesson you know, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know with he Man, you know it would
Speaker 3: be like in today's episode, skeletor lied about what he
Speaker 3: was going to do. You shouldn't lie or Whatever's.
Speaker 4: That's basically what the first one is. It's like, do
Speaker 4: things the right way, you don't need to lie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I love this. By the way, we just
Speaker 3: stay on this shot of James Tolkien going through the
Speaker 3: whole gamut of reactions. I'm like, did you just not
Speaker 3: get a cut away? That's hilarious. He's like, that's exactly it.
Speaker 4: By the way, I was laughing when he had the chicken,
Speaker 4: He's like eating this chicken.
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, what what's this? Is this
Speaker 3: like an acting thing?
Speaker 4: Like you just want something to within his hands and
Speaker 4: he's like, now I'm gonna warm this up in the
Speaker 4: microwave and then we can do what we need to
Speaker 4: do next. And I was like, what is happening? And
Speaker 4: then the fact that that's the interference for a moment
Speaker 4: where the bad guys can't track the key.
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, I like that. It's just funny.
Speaker 4: The way that it plays out is just very funny. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, you know, it just occurred to me. I'd
Speaker 4: never really seen Tolkien like have a whole role that
Speaker 4: he gets to play with an arc I haven't. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's probably other movies I haven't seen, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he he I mean, you know, in Back to
Speaker 3: the Future, basically what he's in like one scene really, I.
Speaker 4: Mean yeah, yeah, the beginning right where he gives them
Speaker 4: the tardy.
Speaker 3: And then we see and then and then later in
Speaker 3: when Marty is in the past.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, oh yeah in the hallway with the dad
Speaker 4: and then oh well breaking up the fight and then
Speaker 4: putting his hands over his ears, and I'd be total,
Speaker 4: that's probably about a minute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but that's I mean, he he played a
Speaker 3: type and he did a he did a good job
Speaker 3: embodying that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I guess that's what's kind of funny about
Speaker 4: it is he's just always hard ass, you know, with
Speaker 4: the capital H so here it's kind of funny seeing
Speaker 4: him act like a hard ass. But like you said,
Speaker 4: have these police officers not believe him about something. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's I've not seen him have to like defend himself before, right,
Speaker 4: you know. But yeah, seeing these kinds of things bust
Speaker 4: down a house in the suburbs.
Speaker 3: Is like sick. But when when Kevin sees the beast Man,
Speaker 3: his first reaction is get out of here, get out
Speaker 3: of here, yeah, which strikes me out a little bit, right,
Speaker 3: Like I'd be like, what the hell, what the hell?
Speaker 4: That would be the thing, right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's hilarious.
Speaker 4: I don't know what to say about that. That's you're right,
Speaker 4: You're right.
Speaker 3: He's like, get out of here, get out of here.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's odd. How about that?
Speaker 4: It'd be funny if he threw the chicken at him.
Speaker 4: He's like, ah, it's been heated up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why you put it in the microwave. Well,
Speaker 3: because earlier in the movie, Julie throws the ammonia at him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: He's like, ah, it's just he's just like he's just
Speaker 3: susceptible to earth, you know. Products. Yeah, so he should
Speaker 3: say the Anthony Delongus, who plays Blade, he's also the
Speaker 3: fight choreographer for this movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he does the sword play for skeletor right
Speaker 4: at the end, Yeah, at the end.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: But he's also got a great look as Blade. I
Speaker 3: think he's a cool character. Yeah, totally. And he can
Speaker 3: act mm hmm, yeah, hmmm. Is this something that might
Speaker 3: come into play later?
Speaker 4: This looks pretty good too, by the way, this hologram, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel like she even.
Speaker 3: Yeah good, no, no, no, I finished your thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, no, no, actually good.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just looking at the state of this house
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is Julia's house, and isn't she
Speaker 3: leaving like tomorrow?
Speaker 4: Don't be You're right, she's not done packing.
Speaker 3: She hasn't done anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm maybe they'll be movers.
Speaker 3: I suppose. But you'd think she'd be better equipped after
Speaker 3: her parents died suddenly in a plane crash to get
Speaker 3: on with her life, right, one would think. But it
Speaker 3: was the eighties, you know, I think I have to
Speaker 3: give it up to that as well, that that's a
Speaker 3: fairly dark plot element. Yeah, And you know movies in
Speaker 3: the eighties that were ostensibly aimed at kids, they would
Speaker 3: do that. They would just have like parental death, Yeah,
Speaker 3: just like layered in and it was fine.
Speaker 4: Well, and this character believes it's her fault.
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, that's extra dark.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, this stuff is cool, like that crazy Star
Speaker 4: Wars looking ship on a front lawn.
Speaker 3: But there is literally nobody in this town. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: like I mean, there's there's like there's our two people,
Speaker 3: there's Charlie and Lubick. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very odd. Yeah. By the way, uh, I think
Speaker 4: you mentioned earlier that the poster for this was done
Speaker 4: by Drew Strews and Drew Strews and gorgeous. It's a
Speaker 4: hell of a poster, man, it looks dazzling poster. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well that makes the movie look like fifty million bucks.
Speaker 3: I mean I remember seeing that in theaters, you know. Yep,
Speaker 3: I remember when this movie was coming out actually, because
Speaker 3: there used to be a magazine called called he Man
Speaker 3: in the Master's Universe Magazine. It was just like a
Speaker 3: bimonthly thing for kids about about, you know, he Man,
Speaker 3: the toys and stuff. And there was an issue with
Speaker 3: the with the other theatrical poster for this, with with
Speaker 3: Dolph Lungern as he Man, and I remember seeing that
Speaker 3: at a jewel or whatever and and just being like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's just a guy dressed like he man, like, I
Speaker 3: didn't realize there was a movie. Oh okay. And my
Speaker 3: brother who was again he was the arbiter of what
Speaker 3: is and isn't true. He had the wisdom of five
Speaker 3: years ahead of me. Yeah, right, right right. He's like, no, man,
Speaker 3: that's a movie. There's a movie come out. I'm like,
Speaker 3: get out of here. I was like, you know, your
Speaker 3: buzz aldrink, get out of here. I was like that,
Speaker 3: that's a Punky Brewster reference kids. And then you know,
Speaker 3: I saw the TV spots and stuff, and so for
Speaker 3: me again, it was just something like wow, I never
Speaker 3: thought there would be a he Man movie kind of thing,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, So I was just I was just
Speaker 3: tickled by its mere existence. And and you know, you
Speaker 3: see that drew S Drews and poster and you're like, man,
Speaker 3: they're they're doing it for real, you know, mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: Same artists who was making the Star Wars posters exactly.
Speaker 3: Right, and the Indiana Jones one and two posters up
Speaker 3: to this point. Up to this point. But in addition
Speaker 3: to that, you have this Bill Kantis score, and Bill
Speaker 3: Kanty is clearly doing like a very transparent Superman slash
Speaker 3: Star Wars pastiche with his music. But it's freaking great, dude,
Speaker 3: it works totally. He I mean it's it's an impressively
Speaker 3: robust score for a movie like this.
Speaker 4: I completely agree. Yeah, you know, you know he did
Speaker 4: the Rocky scorer karate Kid. By the way, I just
Speaker 4: texted you something. That's what I remember from when this
Speaker 4: movie came out. There used to be a Muppet magazine
Speaker 4: and they would have a can you see it?
Speaker 3: Yes? I can't, oh I.
Speaker 4: They would have a poster in each magazine, and for
Speaker 4: when this movie came out, they had a poster of
Speaker 4: Kermit dressed up as he Man.
Speaker 3: Dressed up as Dolph on Gren's he Man. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I remember as a kill it included.
Speaker 4: I thought that was hysterical and I've never forgotten it,
Speaker 4: and so it's too funny. Yeah, but yeah, somehow I
Speaker 4: missed it. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4: You got the gwildor thing where he's real quick.
Speaker 3: By the way, so right here where Lubik's like the
Speaker 3: mountain came to my hammet. I had never heard that
Speaker 3: phrase before.
Speaker 4: I didn't even notice it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these guys show up and he said, what looks
Speaker 3: like the mountain came to mahammet right.
Speaker 4: No, that's funny.
Speaker 3: I've never heard that before, and have you heard it
Speaker 3: since or is that just like I've heard it enough
Speaker 3: to know it's a thing. But I feel like if
Speaker 3: if I feel like if I were to say that,
Speaker 3: people would be like, what do you I don't know
Speaker 3: what that means? You're right right, right right?
Speaker 4: You know that's like when I you know, there's a
Speaker 4: bear poop in the woods or whatever that expression is.
Speaker 4: Like I heard it once in a movie and I
Speaker 4: thought it was just silly for the movie, and then
Speaker 4: I learned that was an actual expression. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we all knew this. We got the guildor you know,
Speaker 4: I think this is kind of like the post et thing,
Speaker 4: like it's funny we put these little creatures in like drag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he shows up and he goes, oh, quilldoor, O.
Speaker 4: Guilled door, and it's funny, like why did he do that?
Speaker 4: Like if there's everything's urgent? Was he just in a
Speaker 4: closet like oh, this is fun put like a boa
Speaker 4: around his neck and yeah.
Speaker 3: As was the style at the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it adds some fun comedy, but.
Speaker 3: See again, The absolute lack of any earth life on
Speaker 3: this street is like hugely distracting to me now as
Speaker 3: an adult.
Speaker 4: It would be nice if they could have hired just
Speaker 4: like ten people to just sort of be on the
Speaker 4: sidewalks and then flee.
Speaker 3: Just give it some life for God's sake.
Speaker 4: You know, it might even make more impact that way
Speaker 4: if you saw that this was bustling. But they have
Speaker 4: now cleared right right the street.
Speaker 3: You know, I definitely remember at that moment where he
Speaker 3: man says, how are you feeling in Man at Arms says,
Speaker 3: I'm feeling hungry. I remember laughing history I was slapping
Speaker 3: my knee that Man at Arms. I didn't know hunger
Speaker 3: was his thing, but this movie has clarified that for me.
Speaker 3: That is hilarious. I do. I do like John Ciphers
Speaker 3: as Man at Arms in this He's got to look
Speaker 3: you know, he's got a.
Speaker 4: Real dad vibe, right, you know, Yeah, maybe it's because
Speaker 4: it's kind of what my dad looked like in the eighties,
Speaker 4: like the mustache, and yeah, we at least you get
Speaker 4: this guy, right, the shop owner. Yeah, someone who's not
Speaker 4: involved with the adventure but gets to react to how
Speaker 4: crazy it is.
Speaker 3: We just need him to say, well, that just happened. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's all that's missing. Really.
Speaker 4: It's funny you talking about that hungry line making you
Speaker 4: laugh as a kid because it's unexpected. It's like irreverent,
Speaker 4: not something you would expect a character in a movie
Speaker 4: like this to say. And it's funny how that's become
Speaker 4: the humor now. Is that's so true saying the irreverent thing,
Speaker 4: like almost to the point where I can sense it
Speaker 4: coming and I'm sort of like, nah, I'm really enjoying
Speaker 4: this moment. Don't don't break.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just play it straight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, let's enjoy this being an emotional moment.
Speaker 4: We don't have to like subvert it or undercut it.
Speaker 4: That's kind of the trick, right, Like how do you
Speaker 4: how do you balance that, like little little incorporating humor
Speaker 4: in a way that doesn't undercut drama, you know, And
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of films these days have
Speaker 4: have an issue with that, which is, you know, with
Speaker 4: this film broadly, I appreciate that it stays consistent within
Speaker 4: its tone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it totally does. Man. I think I think that helps.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean the scene coming up in a little bit
Speaker 3: where where Julie. You know, she she hands the cosmic
Speaker 3: key over to evil in right, and it's easy to
Speaker 3: watch them be like, you, stupid idiot, why would you
Speaker 3: think that's your dead mom? Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I always look at that and I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: you have to look at it as like how a
Speaker 3: kid would would perceive this totally totally right, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: it doesn't have to make sense purely, but like on
Speaker 3: an emotional level, you can sort of understand where the
Speaker 3: character's coming from.
Speaker 4: And maybe the execution's a little a little hokey hoky
Speaker 4: or something, but I on the page or the concept
Speaker 4: I love. Actually that's a really sad thing, right for
Speaker 4: her desperately hoping that she is seeing her mother again,
Speaker 4: but she's really being tricked by the bad guy.
Speaker 3: Right. Oh, so so we haven't mentioned at all Chelsea Field.
Speaker 3: It plays Tila. Yes, I love her in this movie.
Speaker 3: She's great. I mean, you know, I know she's she's
Speaker 3: done a whole bunch of stuff, but I kind of
Speaker 3: wish she had done more. I think she's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I looked her up afterwards because I didn't really know
Speaker 4: who she was, and I agree, she's got like a
Speaker 4: fun energy and like they have Like that's what I
Speaker 4: do like, even if it feels a little corny times,
Speaker 4: is that she and he man and Man at Arms
Speaker 4: have a rapport, right, you know, yeah, like they do
Speaker 4: this stuff some history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Well, she's got this bit right here where
Speaker 3: she just kind of looks just past camera and goes
Speaker 3: woman at arms, which is like so odd to me,
Speaker 3: Like like, I'm glad she gets that moment, but I'm like,
Speaker 3: does that for people like what you know, because I
Speaker 3: don't you know what I mean, Like, we don't hit
Speaker 3: that her dad is Man at arms. They don't really underscore.
Speaker 4: That, yeah, or like she's living in her dad's shadow
Speaker 4: or something, right, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Although it
Speaker 4: was funny because I didn't remember that and it kind
Speaker 4: of made me laugh. But you know me, I'm a
Speaker 4: sucker for people breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it just always gets me and it
Speaker 4: rarely makes me think you shouldn't have done that. I'm
Speaker 4: almost always like, oh, I love that you did that.
Speaker 4: Like right recently was send Help with Rachel McAdams when
Speaker 4: she's in the camera. I was like, I love it.
Speaker 4: Doesn't it doesn't ruin the movie. It makes it better. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh, and Chelsea field Worth mentioning she is missus Scott Bacula.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so good for him. Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 4: You mentioned that we were texting about it yesterday and
Speaker 4: I googled one of them I don't know, and it
Speaker 4: brought up like a video of the two of them
Speaker 4: recently talking about a play that they're going to be
Speaker 4: in together. Oh nice, and they just look older and
Speaker 4: happy and sweet, and it just really warmed my heart
Speaker 4: seeing them together all these years later and just looking
Speaker 4: like a happy That's funny.
Speaker 3: I saw I saw something similar. It was a video
Speaker 3: of Mark Harmon and Pam Dauber. Who oh okay, I
Speaker 3: mean they've been married since forever, right, yeah, and yeah
Speaker 3: they're just like this older couple now, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean like Mark Harmon at this point is far
Speaker 3: removed from like the early days of ncis even, right,
Speaker 3: I Mean, he's like an old guy now, and so
Speaker 3: it's just it's it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's been
Speaker 3: it's been a while, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 3: See. I mean this moment again, look at it from
Speaker 3: a kid's perspective, right, what's the worst thing you can
Speaker 3: think of when you're a little kid, right, losing your
Speaker 3: parents exactly, right, And so to have the possibility of
Speaker 3: them being back, I mean it is it's like a nightmare,
Speaker 3: you know. So you're not like, no, that's evil, Lynn,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean you are like that probably, but
Speaker 3: but you imagine being seven, right, well you can exactly.
Speaker 4: But I like the actress too. By the way, she's
Speaker 4: doing a great job. She feels very motherly, but also
Speaker 4: the whole you know, or she's like betraying what's really underneath,
Speaker 4: like go get that key to me, you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's easy.
Speaker 3: Well her explanation too, it's like, I'm sorry, we couldn't
Speaker 3: tell you we were doing like secret government stuff. You
Speaker 3: went with.
Speaker 4: That's actually though I was a kid, I'd be like,
Speaker 4: well that makes sense that tracks.
Speaker 3: My parents are spies, of course. I mean, that's what
Speaker 3: they did with Peter Parker in the in the Amazing
Speaker 3: Spider Man movies, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: Actually I was just thinking that, so you know what
Speaker 4: it is. I think there's a little bit in the
Speaker 4: execution here, probably because they didn't have time for multiple
Speaker 4: takes or angles or whatever. But I think if you
Speaker 4: showed Courtney Cox's character go in that room and like,
Speaker 4: I the key and really think about it and moll
Speaker 4: over it and wrestle with it for a moment. It said,
Speaker 4: she just kind of like in one big wide shot,
Speaker 4: she just kind of flipped it up, like goes in
Speaker 4: and takes it and walks out, and it feels a
Speaker 4: little like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Well? The other thing is I feel like, once she
Speaker 3: realizes that's not her mom, instead of just standing there,
Speaker 3: she should have there should have been something preventing her
Speaker 3: from following evil. Then yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure, you know,
Speaker 3: like a force field or something.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so he Man is rocking a pistol or
Speaker 3: two in this movie, which you know was not the case.
Speaker 3: I couldn't remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another thing that I sort of attributed to
Speaker 4: the Star Wars E.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the the og toy he came with
Speaker 3: with the with half the power sword, right and then
Speaker 3: a shield. See, the original original mythology was he Man
Speaker 3: had one half of the power sword, Skeletor had the
Speaker 3: other half, and if you put the two swords together,
Speaker 3: you can open Castle Gray Sculpe. They left that way behind. Mm.
Speaker 3: But in this movie, it's like he uses the guns
Speaker 3: to you know, attack people and the sword as a shield.
Speaker 3: M Yeah, which feels like maybe not the most practical
Speaker 3: use of of what you got. I guess. Swords are tricky.
Speaker 4: It makes me think of the Ninja turtles, right, Like
Speaker 4: you can't show your hero slicing and dicing people, that's right,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: So they have to be used as Yeah, that was
Speaker 3: the issue, is that, Like I said, initially, Gary Goddard
Speaker 3: is told, hey, no, you know, you can't can't kill
Speaker 3: or hurt anybody. And then while they're making the movie,
Speaker 3: the sales chart just keeps dropping and dropping in real
Speaker 3: time for he Man toys. Yeah. So then they come
Speaker 3: back they're like, listen, if you want him to just
Speaker 3: like murder everybody, that's totally fine with those like whatever
Speaker 3: you gotta do.
Speaker 4: Oh, because it doesn't matter anymore. What else they want do?
Speaker 3: What you gotta do? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see.
Speaker 3: If you want to have him like eating people's entrails, whatever,
Speaker 3: it takes mine and he's like, well we're done now,
Speaker 3: so thanks anyway, you jackasses the right, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was sad that the sword didn't look like
Speaker 4: the sword I knew from the cartoon. It's so distinctive, right,
Speaker 4: Like it just looks like a sword you could get
Speaker 4: at like a shop in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3: You know, like that's it. You know they did the
Speaker 3: you know, a couple of years after the original toy
Speaker 3: line ended, they did. They brought it back, or they
Speaker 3: attempted to, but it was just called he Man. Do
Speaker 3: you remember this? I do.
Speaker 4: I remember what they looked like, but I didn't watch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The cartoon show was called The New Adventures of
Speaker 3: he Man, and that was not by filmation. It was
Speaker 3: by a French company. And he Man's sort I mean
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be the same power sort it looks
Speaker 3: totally different. Yeah, and that was like a sci fi show.
Speaker 3: Yeah right right. He Man's wearing pants in that one,
Speaker 3: which is which is goddamn heresy. I'll look at it.
Speaker 4: The frame is flipped. You see that. How funny the
Speaker 4: shops were backwards?
Speaker 3: Wow, I did not catch that.
Speaker 4: You know, this hoverboard stuff looks a little janky, but
Speaker 4: like it's cool. It's a concept. I wish they could
Speaker 4: have figured out how to nail it a little better,
Speaker 4: but like I like it. I think it's a good
Speaker 4: action sequence.
Speaker 3: I I think there's something about knowing that it's still
Speaker 3: an actual thing on top of an actual thing that
Speaker 3: sort of, at least for me, my brain sort of
Speaker 3: slots into just just going with it, where like Janky CG.
Speaker 3: I'm not able to do that as easily. Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree.
Speaker 4: The I don't know, the tangibility of it goes a
Speaker 4: long way for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I'm sort of repeating myself now, but just
Speaker 4: seeing like a camera boom up from like a Hallmark
Speaker 4: store to Skeletor. Yeah, like riding this like big space
Speaker 4: vehicle is just like delights every part of my brain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good. I love this here where I mean,
Speaker 3: he's so mean to evil Lynn, Yeah, throughout the movie,
Speaker 3: and so it's it's the least surprising thing in the
Speaker 3: movie when she's just like, all right, we're out of here,
Speaker 3: when she just like leaves him to be defeated.
Speaker 4: You know, they talk about like a lot of guys
Speaker 4: have these moments like ten fifteen years later where they
Speaker 4: realize a woman had been flirting with them but they
Speaker 4: didn't know it in the moment. Do you think Skeletor
Speaker 4: like ten years later, like in the middle of then
Speaker 4: I was like, wait a minute, I think people in
Speaker 4: liked me. Oh, it goes on Facebook, seems the beacon
Speaker 4: finder just really tries to wish her a happy birthday, Tarkanna.
Speaker 3: Her status as it's complicated, and he's like there's a chance,
Speaker 3: or it's like back in the my space days, he
Speaker 3: pokes are just like hoping. No, poking was a Facebook thing?
Speaker 3: Oh was that Facebook?
Speaker 4: That was Facebook?
Speaker 3: Okay, you never got poked on Facebook? I did, well.
Speaker 4: I remember that happening and even think he was weird
Speaker 4: in the moment.
Speaker 3: But like, you don't know what you're supposed to do
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's poking. You're just like, okay, he poked back,
Speaker 4: you know, and then they poke you and you poke back.
Speaker 3: Now. Now, these these hoverboard things, I think they're cool looking. Yeah, agree,
Speaker 3: But I questioned the practicality, Like I don't know what
Speaker 3: kind of maneuverability you're able to really have on them, right,
Speaker 3: because it's like it's like a manhole cover that you're
Speaker 3: standing up.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I feel like you can fall off pretty easy, right,
Speaker 4: And there's no like footholds, I don't think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's just like a it's like a there's nothing.
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't seem practical, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even the hoverboards and Back to the Future have
Speaker 4: like little slip grip for your yeah, well and then
Speaker 4: something you can slip your foot through to be fixed
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 3: So this shot right here, I kind of love how
Speaker 3: how how low fi it is, right the shot where
Speaker 3: we right.
Speaker 4: Here, Yeah yeah, yeah, he's like probably in the back
Speaker 4: of a pickup truck.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, exactly, you know, and I'm like, no, he's not,
Speaker 3: He's on a hoverboard.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, No, it's great, right, yeah, I mean, this
Speaker 4: is a cool sequence.
Speaker 3: And I's got that key. Look at that.
Speaker 4: Well, I would kind of like to watch it behind
Speaker 4: the scenes and see what that is. I mean, are
Speaker 4: those just two models, like little miniature sort of things
Speaker 4: that they just sort of are dancing around like.
Speaker 3: For the wider shots, Yeah, yeah, I think so. Because
Speaker 3: they look a little stiff.
Speaker 4: I think it would go a long way if they
Speaker 4: could have made it look a little bit less like
Speaker 4: a thing on a rod that they're passing across the
Speaker 4: screen right right, right, if there's a little bit more
Speaker 4: like the character was reacting and a little bit more
Speaker 4: bounce to it or something. But yeah, I mean, no complaint.
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking I think they did a good job
Speaker 4: with what they had. By the way, that reminds me.
Speaker 4: Did you see that they're putting out a special four
Speaker 4: K of this and it's going to have like not
Speaker 4: only a bunch of features, but it's going to have
Speaker 4: a preview cut.
Speaker 3: I may need to order that copy.
Speaker 4: I would really like to watch that. I would like
Speaker 4: to see what was cut from this. And that's like
Speaker 4: becoming a thing now, right, all these preview cuts are
Speaker 4: getting unearthed. Did you hear about We didn't talk about it,
Speaker 4: but there was a two and a half hour Gremlins
Speaker 4: cut that was screened recently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Yeah, which sounds probably about about forty
Speaker 3: five minutes too long, probably probably.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wonder if it actually feels like an
Speaker 4: overly long movie or just like a ton of stuff
Speaker 4: they shot and just kind of tape together. And right,
Speaker 4: I don't know, the Batman Forever, Right, isn't that one
Speaker 4: also marker cut?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That one I'm desperate to see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: Now, this is hilarious to me that Skeletor just sneaks
Speaker 3: up on them in this freaking goddamn The Titanic.
Speaker 4: That's like that thing where like a helicopter always appears
Speaker 4: out of nowhere in a movie.
Speaker 3: It's like, how do you not hear that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like there standing at a cliff and then suddenly
Speaker 4: like it appears, but you would hear like while, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's no way it sneaks up, you know what movies.
Speaker 3: So we were talking about Skeletor earlier. I was reading
Speaker 3: about how Franklin Angela initially was like really into the
Speaker 3: idea of dressing like the Skeletor from the Toy Slash cartoon,
Speaker 3: you know, so he'd be wearing like a you know,
Speaker 3: like a revealing harness, like like he man.
Speaker 4: Has maybe like bare chested with like something strapped over right.
Speaker 3: And and and Gary Goddard was like, no, no, we
Speaker 3: can't have a sexy Skeletor, to which I say, why
Speaker 3: the hell not?
Speaker 4: I why not?
Speaker 3: Why not? But but I will say I first, I
Speaker 3: think I think Skeletor's costume is pretty bad ass in this,
Speaker 3: but I think it's pretty menacing. And it really is.
Speaker 3: And and I was, I was, Uh. I saw an
Speaker 3: interview with I think it was with Williams stopped talking
Speaker 3: about how he how Langella worked with them to figure
Speaker 3: out the exact way the cloak should look and and
Speaker 3: in such a way that he can sling it over
Speaker 3: his shoulder and all this stuff. And it's very theatrical,
Speaker 3: very Doctor Doom. You know. I think it holds up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: And and actually I really like the he Man costume
Speaker 3: in this. I think I think the armor is a
Speaker 3: very natural live action translation of you know, the toy
Speaker 3: and the and the cartoon. I agree.
Speaker 4: I mean, what we're seeing from the twenty twenty six
Speaker 4: Masters of the Universe, which looks more like the cartoon,
Speaker 4: looks very cool. But I can see, especially I don't know,
Speaker 4: him wandering around Earth and everything without those things on
Speaker 4: his shoulders, he might just feel more exposed, like just
Speaker 4: like a guy running around in his underwear. Yeah, like
Speaker 4: it helps, it adds some sort of.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I mean, as far as what
Speaker 3: they have he Man wearing here, it's like a leather thong. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I don't know how comfortable dolphone Gren felt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple of times where it literally feels
Speaker 4: like he's wandering around in a speedo and yeah, you
Speaker 4: just gotta wonder how that.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have a body like that.
Speaker 4: I'd do it too, but like you gotta wonder, like
Speaker 4: being on a set, you know, with all these people
Speaker 4: if Yeah, there were some times he felt self conscious.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why he has the cape, like just make
Speaker 3: him feel slightly more covered.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even just yeah, the shoulder pads, right, it
Speaker 4: looks more. Even that alone makes it feel more like
Speaker 4: a costume than a guy that just came out of
Speaker 4: the pool.
Speaker 3: That's true. I mean that that itself is fascinating that
Speaker 3: the the movie came with Lundgrend like he was part
Speaker 3: of the deal and so they did sort of have
Speaker 3: to work around him. But Mattel had been trying for
Speaker 3: a couple of years to get this movie made and
Speaker 3: the big studios were hesitant. And then Cannon is like, hey, uh,
Speaker 3: if you pay for half, we'll pay for half, and
Speaker 3: Mattel's like, sounds great, little realizing that this is this
Speaker 3: is not the company to make that kind of a
Speaker 3: bed with because they they gave their half, and then
Speaker 3: when it came time for Cannon to pony up there half,
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, yeah, we don't have it. By the way,
Speaker 3: So there was nearly no ending for this movie.
Speaker 4: I mean they did like shut down at one point, right,
Speaker 4: that's right, yeah, yeah, and then.
Speaker 3: Just had to be like.
Speaker 4: They had more elaborate things in mind, but then they
Speaker 4: just had Okay, this is all you got left. You
Speaker 4: got to finish this thing now. Yeah, be stressful. Can
Speaker 4: you imagine?
Speaker 3: I can't. That's why so I'm glad I'm not a
Speaker 3: film director. Yeah, now I have to say it. There
Speaker 3: is an inordinate amount of time in this movie where
Speaker 3: Skeletor wants this scantily dressed man to kneel and be
Speaker 3: his slave, and well, there you go. That's why he's
Speaker 3: not paying attentioned to Evil in Sometimes the subtext is
Speaker 3: very loud.
Speaker 4: Well do you think Evil in ten years from now
Speaker 4: was in bed and woke up and went.
Speaker 3: Oh, now I get it. Yeah, this looks.
Speaker 4: Cool, doesn't it. The marching back into that portal, that
Speaker 4: looks good.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, right, Like, there's enough work on
Speaker 3: the on the effect sequences where where if you didn't
Speaker 3: know any better, you'd be like, hey, they spent some
Speaker 3: money on this, and by the way, I mean twenty
Speaker 3: two million in nineteen eighty seven. That's not chump change.
Speaker 4: I mean Star Wars, not that long ago or ten
Speaker 4: years earlier, was made for seventeen million.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, actually, what's their excuse? Now I'm just true, So
Speaker 4: here you go. Yeah, now the police are ribbing him.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, like make that a runner? Yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 3: it's it's clearly like he's like a big city cup.
Speaker 3: He is Chief Brody and for some reason he's here
Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere. So Brody was afraid of water.
Speaker 3: Lubick's got his thing that he's afraid of is disgusting,
Speaker 3: you know, space viruses like whatever Julie has.
Speaker 4: By the way, Yeah, I was like, I assume there
Speaker 4: would be, you know, some sort of gnarly sort of thing.
Speaker 4: But I was like, what is that? The designers went
Speaker 4: nuts on that on her leg wound?
Speaker 3: And yet doesn't that feel very of its era? Like wait,
Speaker 3: what do you mean? It just feels like what we
Speaker 3: would see in movies like I mean that we're talking
Speaker 3: about Gremlins. Doesn't I feel like something you would have
Speaker 3: seen it in Gremlins?
Speaker 4: Definitely looks yeah, grimliny. Yeah, there were a lot more,
Speaker 4: I guess practical makeup effects people and getting to show
Speaker 4: off and do all sorts of things. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: you get another Like it is kind of funny seeing
Speaker 4: I have to imagine a lot of these popular movies
Speaker 4: in this moment, we're seeping into their head.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You get like ET with the.
Speaker 4: Dress and the wig on and grilled or earlier. And
Speaker 4: then we get this device that looks like ET's communication device,
Speaker 4: you know, set up right here, and of course the
Speaker 4: Star Wars of it. But as a kid, that would
Speaker 4: have been really fun for me because I would be like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's tapping into all the stuff I love.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's I mean, that's the thing, right, Like
Speaker 3: for a lot of these you know, it was like, well,
Speaker 3: this is our shot and let's put on a show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they're and they're pulling from all of their influences
Speaker 3: and stuff. Like I said, I mean, I mean for
Speaker 3: this film, like obviously ET was recent enough. I'm sure
Speaker 3: that factored in. How could it not have. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: you get like this Jack Kirby influence. You know, you
Speaker 3: had Mobius doing the some of the costume designs, and
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like I appreciate the fact that
Speaker 3: that everyone leaned in and and and they made a
Speaker 3: movie that that is far from perfect, just to be clear.
Speaker 3: But I think when we watch it nearly forty years later,
Speaker 3: that earnestness, at least to me, stands out. And that's
Speaker 3: I can view it through that lens and be like, well,
Speaker 3: I appreciate that they're just trying to put on a.
Speaker 4: Show, definitely, which I have something to say about that,
Speaker 4: But I want to point this out before it ends.
Speaker 4: If we see another wide shot the street behind them,
Speaker 4: there's just this fog consistently rolling down the street and
Speaker 4: a light that's placed there to illuminate the flaw fog
Speaker 4: that's giving it like sort of a blue illumination kind
Speaker 4: of thing. And I'm just like, someone thought to put
Speaker 4: a machine down there, someone thought let's put the light there,
Speaker 4: Like they really composed an image, yeah, you know, And
Speaker 4: I just I don't know, looking at it, I'm like,
Speaker 4: it really makes what could just be sort of a
Speaker 4: static shot of these people around a fountain feel like
Speaker 4: it's breathing. So I don't know, I just want it's.
Speaker 3: A good observation. Yeah, It's just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like enough of that detail gets considered
Speaker 4: or thought thought of these days.
Speaker 3: Actually, while we're while we're talking about this specific sequence here,
Speaker 3: there's a moment right here where where Guildor is telling Kevin, oh,
Speaker 3: help me come up with the key, and Kevin's like, look,
Speaker 3: I'm just a guy in a high school band. There's
Speaker 3: a million of me, and Guildor says something very nice.
Speaker 3: He says, only one of you, Kevin, only one of anybody?
Speaker 3: What a nice I mean, like, what a nice sentiment,
Speaker 3: especially for a little kid watching this absolute yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 4: I love it. And it's oh see look see that
Speaker 4: smoke and fall. Yeah, not just adds, it adds character
Speaker 4: to the scene. It makes the location feel alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh okay, so so real quick, we gotta oh yes,
Speaker 3: So this little kid right here who he gets the
Speaker 3: staff from. So he's credited as pig Boy and that
Speaker 3: little kid I forget the actor's name, but but he
Speaker 3: won a contest that Mattel had that some kind of
Speaker 3: sweepstakes where you can get a role in the he
Speaker 3: Man movie. So he got that role and then you know,
Speaker 3: Mattel shows up and they're like, hey, you gotta put
Speaker 3: this kid into the movie. And he's like, well, God,
Speaker 3: damn it. So they just gave him that part. He's
Speaker 3: credited that kid who is now an adult obvious that
Speaker 3: has talked about how his skin broke out, oh because
Speaker 3: of the chemical reaction to that pig boy mask that
Speaker 3: they wow. So I don't know if it was a
Speaker 3: great experience for him, but he made it in it's
Speaker 3: pretty cool.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think I would be minorly bummed that
Speaker 4: you don't see.
Speaker 3: My face, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it actually feels like a really natural addition.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think they did a good job of working
Speaker 3: around fine here, like without it being that obvious.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Skelter is snatching the staff out of his hands.
Speaker 3: Now this I love this too. She says, men who
Speaker 3: crave power, look back over the mistakes of their lives,
Speaker 3: pile them together and call it destiny. Isn't that that
Speaker 3: talk about a universally applicable sentiment?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: It's funny that And then Langella's lines. We were talking
Speaker 4: about how he went in and came up with some
Speaker 4: really almost Shakespearean sounding sorts of things for Skelter to say,
Speaker 4: that's some of those things where you go back and
Speaker 4: watch movies made for kids and You're like, oh wow,
Speaker 4: they like really thought of some profound things to say
Speaker 4: in here that I just kind of exactly when I
Speaker 4: was a kid, you know, Yeah, good, Sorry.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'll come back. Well no, I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: I mean, there is that line that you already mentioned
Speaker 4: where Skeletor is you know, tell me about the loneliness
Speaker 4: of good? Is it equal to the loneliness of evil?
Speaker 4: And I love that's an amazing line. And I love
Speaker 4: that there's someone who's self aware enough to know that
Speaker 4: they're evil.
Speaker 3: I was going to bring this up. I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: this guy is not He's not like Magneto or something,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, like he knows. He's like, man, give
Speaker 3: me a cat, I will kick that some bitch. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's there's something kind of fun about that,
Speaker 4: and we see it.
Speaker 3: Here where Sorceress is like, you know, there's still a
Speaker 3: chance to pull back from this madness. He's like, no,
Speaker 3: I have to be scorned and hated.
Speaker 4: I'm like, my man, Yeah, it made me think of
Speaker 4: that line that's always made me laugh. Where sort of
Speaker 4: riffing on that in the Simpsons at Camp Krusty and
Speaker 4: there's that leader and he's sitting around the table and
Speaker 4: they raise a gentleman to evil, gentlemen to evil like
Speaker 4: that guy knows, like we are peddling evils.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious, s skeleter Man. He just wants to see
Speaker 3: he Man stripped down and whipped. Oh yeah, so I
Speaker 3: was talking. So for the longest time, there were no
Speaker 3: action figures of he Man and skelet from this movie
Speaker 3: because of rights issues, and it wasn't until like twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen that they finally came out with characters wearing
Speaker 3: these costumes. Wow, you know, I think they had to
Speaker 3: work through And they didn't even call it like Master's Universe,
Speaker 3: the Motion Picture Figures. They called it the WILLIAMS. Stout Collection.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, like like, oh no, we're actually this is
Speaker 3: the from his concept drawings like to I guess to
Speaker 3: get around I guess, so yeah, huh. It was weird, yeah, interesting,
Speaker 3: because there were certain I don't know what kind of
Speaker 3: monkey ass deal Monk Mattel made where they did not
Speaker 3: have the rights to certain things like how do you
Speaker 3: not anticipate that you're gonna want to make toys of
Speaker 3: all this stuff?
Speaker 4: In a post star Wars World, how right, not think
Speaker 4: about this?
Speaker 3: You know, so they they didn't have the rights to
Speaker 3: like certain characters that were in the movie only, or
Speaker 3: that the way they appeared in the movie only really weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is sweet, It.
Speaker 3: Is until you realize that these are like high school seniors.
Speaker 3: So let's be honest. How long is this really gonna last? Right? Right?
Speaker 4: Still one of them leaves for college.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I love you well, do
Speaker 3: you though?
Speaker 4: That's still sweet? I loved my high school girlfriend in
Speaker 4: a way that only you know, seventeen year olds can.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, right, yeah, see Skeletor's like really into this. Oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, I was gonna mention seeing that fountain
Speaker 4: location again is reminding me of our what we were
Speaker 4: talking about. So where this movie is just proudly absorbing
Speaker 4: all its influences et Star Wars whatever, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: famously Star Wars is a collection of influences for George
Speaker 4: Lucas too, So it's you know, that's what stuff is.
Speaker 4: It's things that are created based on the inspirations in
Speaker 4: the artist's head. You know, that's right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, we would not have gotten Star
Speaker 3: Wars if not for Flash Gordon. Yeah, exactly, And we
Speaker 3: would not have gotten Flash Gordon if not for Star Wars. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: so I think this right here, seeing his eyes and
Speaker 3: how important that is, Like I was thinking about in
Speaker 3: terms of skeletor either in the action figures or the
Speaker 3: cartoon show. You know, you never see his eyes, right,
Speaker 3: and that's you know, so much of the performances in
Speaker 3: the eyes. Totally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a smart That mask is really smartly designed,
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 3: Absolutely so.
Speaker 4: I guess this is him addressing the galaxy, which is
Speaker 4: like five people at Mesquez Rocks.
Speaker 3: Again, that's it. We don't see the King, we don't
Speaker 3: see the Queen, we don't see anybody. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: good point.
Speaker 4: That would be kind of nice to see like the
Speaker 4: the other leaders.
Speaker 3: Exactly right, because according to this movie, it's basically the
Speaker 3: Sorceress is the head of Gray Skull and that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he said the thing he said, he said Master of
Speaker 3: the Universe. This is kind of a cool haunting effect
Speaker 3: having the Sorcerer age. Yeah, she's like Alec Baldwin and
Speaker 3: Geena Davis and yeah, totally exactly that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know I was reading I don't know if
Speaker 4: you can verify this stuff, because you know, I tried
Speaker 4: always back this stuff up, but sometimes I couldn't. But
Speaker 4: there were just a lot of ideas that they wanted
Speaker 4: to do, Like they wanted to show Snake Mountain. There
Speaker 4: was like a scene I guess with Ta mention it
Speaker 4: a few times, but they don't show it. Yeah, and Tila.
Speaker 4: There's a scene with Tila freeing prisoners that was scripted
Speaker 4: at the beginning, sort of setting up her as being
Speaker 4: a woman of action and he man and his cohorts
Speaker 4: were going to be booked at a police station. But
Speaker 4: just I guess with budgeting limitations, they couldn't shoot all
Speaker 4: this stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think.
Speaker 4: They did a good job of still making this feel
Speaker 4: complete without.
Speaker 3: All that stuff.
Speaker 4: I agree some movies can't pull that off, but I
Speaker 4: feel like this one does enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think some of that stuff would have been nice.
Speaker 3: Definitely Tila fleeing the prisoners, freeing the prisoners, that would
Speaker 3: have been good. There was also in the in an
Speaker 3: earlier draft of the script where you had, uh, I
Speaker 3: guess just like a button at the end that they
Speaker 3: find wreckage of like a NASA spacecraft. Yes, yes to
Speaker 3: show that like human humans were the humans in the
Speaker 3: future were the first settlers of Eternia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I like that. Yeah, I do like it,
Speaker 4: And I mean it's not not needed. It's a cool idea.
Speaker 4: It's like needlessly confusing, right, Like, yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 4: You know, even though in the cartoon and in the
Speaker 4: comic books and stuff, you know, he Man's mother is
Speaker 4: from Earth, so she's a she's a human astronaut who
Speaker 4: crashed on Eternia and so that's you know, so she
Speaker 4: stays there.
Speaker 3: So he Man is half humans. So in the new film,
Speaker 3: you know, that's like a big part of the story
Speaker 3: that he's on Earth for for reasons beyond just oh
Speaker 3: I had I had a button on the cosmic key
Speaker 3: and here you are. You know, is that why he's
Speaker 3: called he Man?
Speaker 4: Like when she gave birth and I guess it was
Speaker 4: with you know, an alien she had, you know, he's like,
Speaker 4: she was like.
Speaker 3: Is he Man? You know, they've never like satisfactorily explained that, right,
Speaker 3: because obviously the term he man predates this toy line
Speaker 3: because it's like, if you're a big muscular guy, you're
Speaker 3: a he man, right, And that's like a silly name
Speaker 3: for a character. And you know, I know, I know
Speaker 3: that they've tried to do stuff like saying that that
Speaker 3: the sword, it's the it's the sword of he and
Speaker 3: like like come up with some kaka Mamy's funny, you know,
Speaker 3: And I'm I, I understand the the drive to do that,
Speaker 3: but I'm also like, you know, I don't think there's
Speaker 3: any fixing this. I think it is.
Speaker 4: It just is what it is, and somehow we can
Speaker 4: say it without you know, giggling, like, so you did it.
Speaker 3: Right, well, And I think it helps that that the
Speaker 3: phrase he man has passed out of the parlance for
Speaker 3: what it used to refer to, you know what, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: exactly right. Yeah. So this this costume Skeletor is wearing
Speaker 3: currently now that he's now that he is a god,
Speaker 3: it tells me that my man just wants to go
Speaker 3: to Vegas. Really, so it's both impressive and extremely cheap
Speaker 3: looking at the same time.
Speaker 4: I remember, even as a kid, thinking he looks scary
Speaker 4: in it, something about it. Maybe it's because of the
Speaker 4: bottom half of his face being that skull and this
Speaker 4: really ornate I don't even know how to explain it,
Speaker 4: sort of It reminds me a little bit of the
Speaker 4: end of Raiders of the Lost Arc. Oh sure, sure,
Speaker 4: you know that sort of overly ornate like get up.
Speaker 3: See, I'm just like, you have the power of God,
Speaker 3: you can do anything, and you landed at like horror. Liberachi.
Speaker 4: You know when you're saying, I gotta be honest, like,
Speaker 4: it's always been kind of scary to me, and I
Speaker 4: don't exactly know how to put it into words. There's
Speaker 4: something really nightmarish about it to me, something about the gold,
Speaker 4: how beautiful it looks and horrifying with that face underneath
Speaker 4: the mask. But you saying that now, I completely see
Speaker 4: what you're saying, but I still dig it. There's something
Speaker 4: weird and like he has leveled up in sort of
Speaker 4: a scary way.
Speaker 3: I feel like they sell that because of this movie.
Speaker 3: If I get the power of a god, I'll at
Speaker 3: least consider making myself look like that.
Speaker 4: And he hasn't turned himself into like Super Shredd or anything,
Speaker 4: or make himself even bigger or you know, as big
Speaker 4: as the room or anything.
Speaker 3: And I just see he gets all the powers. He
Speaker 3: looks like that, and the first thing he does he
Speaker 3: points his fingers that he man goes Neil like, bro,
Speaker 3: come on, I know, I know, just go rule the universe.
Speaker 4: I do love that there's bat wings on it. I
Speaker 4: didn't notice that till this time.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, I mean I get The production design for
Speaker 3: this Grayskull sequence is very impressive. William Stout talked about
Speaker 3: how he built in like multiple levels so that you
Speaker 3: could have a sword fight where the characters are jumping
Speaker 3: to different tiers and stuff.
Speaker 4: Super smart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and unfortunately they didn't get to do any any
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but even just having those different levels makes the
Speaker 4: place seem dynamic.
Speaker 3: Okay, this right here, look at this, so Evil Lens like, car,
Speaker 3: let's go, and he's like, what about scot Tour And
Speaker 3: he's like nope. And then I love this because this
Speaker 3: is the very very beginning of he man start. He
Speaker 3: didn't even have a sword back yet. Yeah right, and
Speaker 3: Evil Lens like, all right, well we've been through this
Speaker 3: ship before. This dumb ass about to get defeated again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's dip like he does not even have a sword
Speaker 3: back Evil and has already gone. She's like, whatever, we
Speaker 3: know this is gonna end. That's hilarious because she she's
Speaker 3: lived through the filmation series, she's seen him get his
Speaker 3: ass handed to him every week. That's every weekday afternoon
Speaker 3: on Fox. It was on Fox in our in our neighborhood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a cool shot.
Speaker 3: By the way that I have the power look good.
Speaker 3: I think it's great. I think you the way they
Speaker 3: put the sword the light and now this here, I
Speaker 3: will say as a kid, I just took it at
Speaker 3: face value. Yes, that power was so much that they've
Speaker 3: just they've drained the power from the room and they're
Speaker 3: just this is how they're fighting.
Speaker 4: And what we're actually seeing is the moment this movie
Speaker 4: ran out of money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were like shooting rilla style, just get
Speaker 3: whatever shots they could. So this is Anthony Delongist in
Speaker 3: the skeletor suit, Yeah, aka Blade And I think given
Speaker 3: the constraints they were operating and it is not a
Speaker 3: bad sword fight. No, well the fight is great.
Speaker 4: It's it's just funny where they Yeah, they turned all
Speaker 4: the lights off in the castle so they don't have
Speaker 4: to have any of the other actors and there's basically
Speaker 4: just two spotlights. Yeah, so we can see them fighting.
Speaker 3: It's like, what do you do?
Speaker 4: They make it stylish and you know, it works, it works.
Speaker 3: And then this part basically from here to when he
Speaker 3: tossed the skeletor over This was like three months later. Oh,
Speaker 3: just so they could get the ending of the fight.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is like at the at the effects house,
Speaker 3: you know, just whatever they had available.
Speaker 4: Like a like a stage, like have a floor and
Speaker 4: a light.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Interesting, Okay, I read that originally he was a skilled
Speaker 4: that's a that's a good almost lose the sword over
Speaker 4: the edge and him gripping it. I agree, that's good.
Speaker 3: But he was supposed to this shot right here, probably
Speaker 3: the most poorly aged shot in the whole movie.
Speaker 4: Sure, but I mean it was the eighties. You got
Speaker 4: Diehard with that, you got RoboCop with that, you got
Speaker 4: this with that.
Speaker 3: But this is the most Egregiously he's not really falling anywhere.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, Diard looks incredible, but it is funny.
Speaker 4: You just have this overhead, you know, fixed camera watching
Speaker 4: the camp or the bad guy just fall down.
Speaker 3: I mean we saw Palpatine fall to his yeah death,
Speaker 3: just four years earlier, right right right, I mean this
Speaker 3: is very much that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sounded like a shaft or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's literally what my son, my twelve year old, said,
Speaker 3: just now, I was watching the end of it. He's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's like Palpatine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like.
Speaker 3: And somehow they both return, so he does. Okay, so
Speaker 3: let's talk about Lubik's weird ass ending here.
Speaker 4: How much time has passed because our kid, the kids
Speaker 4: are still there.
Speaker 3: Well, he's like, hey, what do I have to go
Speaker 3: back to? Over here? I got a castle and I
Speaker 3: want the sorceress to be just like look over and
Speaker 3: be like, no you don't right now? Who is this woman?
Speaker 3: I wish she like yeah, right, like have her be
Speaker 3: somebody who's life he saves on Eternia or something.
Speaker 4: I mean, if they had more money, maybe there would
Speaker 4: have been a scene. It makes no sense though, you know, no,
Speaker 4: but but we like rolled with this stuff back then.
Speaker 3: We absolutely roll with it. But again, if it's one
Speaker 3: of those things where you show like all his life
Speaker 3: he's wanted to prove that aliens are.
Speaker 4: Real, and now he's now he married to one.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Get the Good Journey reminds me a little bit
Speaker 4: of face off. You know how they like sort of
Speaker 4: use their hands. Oh that face thing, it's like a
Speaker 4: face wipe basically the way.
Speaker 3: They see, all we need is Christina Pickles to go
Speaker 3: to Courtney Cox and be like, in another life you
Speaker 3: could have been my daughter, and we'd be like, wow,
Speaker 3: that's that's weirdly prescient.
Speaker 4: The creators of Friends who are like this stoned one night,
Speaker 4: you know, like.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wondered, did they did they? I mean,
Speaker 3: isn't it within the realm of possibility that you had
Speaker 3: a Masters of the Universe fan in that creative food
Speaker 3: chains And when it came time to casting Monica's mom,
Speaker 3: they're like, well what about her? Right, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're telling me it. It didn't come up.
Speaker 4: I'm sure someone was aware.
Speaker 3: Did these two actors just agree never to mention it again?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's funny. By the way, I love like how
Speaker 4: undefined this key is. Yes, It's like when when we
Speaker 4: need their you know, for him to struggle with it,
Speaker 4: he's like, I can't figure out the sequence. But then
Speaker 4: later he's just like, oh, yeah, it's just this, you know, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when do you want to go? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can send you anywhere anytime. Okay, Okay, so let's
Speaker 3: talk about it. You know, you and I just before
Speaker 3: we got on we were happening to talk about time
Speaker 3: paradoxes and movies. Yeah, let's talk about the absolute shit
Speaker 3: show that's unleashed by this end here. Okay, first of all,
Speaker 3: I love that that Julie's wearing kind of like a
Speaker 3: Loura Angeles Wilder.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 4: I thought about that because I do remember people wearing
Speaker 4: these things. I do, like I like my mom or
Speaker 4: like neighbors or you know, like and I was like,
Speaker 4: that is such an odd, hilarious Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, So she's she's like, right before she goes through
Speaker 3: the port, she's like, wait, wait, good doors, and the
Speaker 3: idea is like, send me back to before my parents die. Yeah,
Speaker 3: willedore because he's just that goddamn good Yeah, he knew it.
Speaker 3: So now she's like, hey, I'm gonna take your keys
Speaker 3: so you don't diem. Hmm. Now I see a logic
Speaker 3: problem here, which is he probably has another set of keys.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 3: Uh that's part A, but part B. If you prevent
Speaker 3: their deaths, have you not undone everything that happened in
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 4: If it's like a loop or like a yeah, like
Speaker 4: a if she's creating some sort of strand in time, yeah,
Speaker 4: that is screwing up the future, right, I guess it
Speaker 4: would be the future now from where she is in
Speaker 4: this moment.
Speaker 3: Like this is before, this is whatever it is like
Speaker 3: a month or so ago, right m hm. So now nothing,
Speaker 3: nothing that happened before happens. So then somebody else finds
Speaker 3: the key, right right right? Wait Zachi sequel.
Speaker 4: Wait, by the way, so this right here on the street,
Speaker 4: I was thinking it'd be so funny because she's basically like,
Speaker 4: got your keys, okay, you know, and then she runs
Speaker 4: out to her boyfriend like I did it.
Speaker 3: I saved my parents life.
Speaker 4: I did everything within the realm of possibility to stop
Speaker 4: them from beginning out, and is as they're in the street.
Speaker 4: I think it'd be funny out of focus in the
Speaker 4: background if you see her parents in a car backing
Speaker 4: out of a driveway, because to your point, like they
Speaker 4: have like a backup set of keys, and she thinks
Speaker 4: she did enough.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious. Well, so, so, as you mentioned there was
Speaker 3: going to be a sequel, Uh, they were going to
Speaker 3: recast Dolphin Gren. Presumably they would have recast Frank Langela
Speaker 3: because they had budgeted four million dollars for the sequel.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So I once again, He Man would have come to Earth,
Speaker 3: and I think he would have just like been on
Speaker 3: Earth just working at a used car a lot or something.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, I don't know what you do
Speaker 3: with four million dollars.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, there's pig Boy Richard Spawnder. Hey, that's the credit there.
Speaker 3: So the sequel did not happen because because they were
Speaker 3: going to shoot it back to back with Spider Man.
Speaker 3: As you mentioned, it was gonna be Albert Pion who
Speaker 3: went on to do Captain America for for for Cannon,
Speaker 3: but the costumes and sets that they had designed were
Speaker 3: then used for a movie called Cyborg starring Jean Claud
Speaker 3: van Dam and that movie came out and it did
Speaker 3: okay because Cannon lost the rights to both He Man
Speaker 3: and Spider Man at the same time, so neither of
Speaker 3: those got made. Cyborg did okay, not well enough to
Speaker 3: save Canon and there it went no more Canon. Wow.
Speaker 4: And this movie, as we said, had a budget of
Speaker 4: twenty two million, and it only grows seventeen million worldwide.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's impressively bad, which I mean, doesn't it
Speaker 3: feel like it should have done at least twenty two million.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I'm a little surprised.
Speaker 4: I mean, even if there was he man fatigue, I
Speaker 4: don't know, it really feels like it was our time then,
Speaker 4: Like kids movies, you know, PG movies aimed at kids
Speaker 4: our age were like the you know, movie du jour
Speaker 4: back then. So, like I I'm a little surprised it
Speaker 4: didn't do better.
Speaker 3: I think that the mistake was making it through cannon, right,
Speaker 3: because they might have been able to get that twenty
Speaker 3: two million budget, but they didn't have any money to
Speaker 3: promote it. And you know, they didn't have any like
Speaker 3: because after a couple of weeks, the theaters just dropped this, right,
Speaker 3: And normally, if you're a studio, you're able to strong
Speaker 3: arm the chains into being like, look, if you want
Speaker 3: to play this thing a month from now, you're going
Speaker 3: to keep this in theaters. You know, they didn't have
Speaker 3: anything right, right, right, So I think all of that
Speaker 3: stuff factored in and it just led to this movie
Speaker 3: doing whatever it did, not much, but it became a
Speaker 3: beloved cult artifact. Certainly those who grew up with it
Speaker 3: have have fondness that they've nursed for forty years. Almost Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: I I love it for the nostalgia of it. Like
Speaker 4: I didn't see it when I was seven, but I
Speaker 4: did see it when I was pretty young, like I
Speaker 4: said on TV, so I kind of remember it. But
Speaker 4: there's that bit of it. But also just I don't know,
Speaker 4: growing up in this time and watching a lot of
Speaker 4: movies like this, just seeing a movie that looks like
Speaker 4: this is really daring to me and fun.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think the ways in which they adapted
Speaker 3: the original mythology for the big screen I appreciated. I
Speaker 3: appreciated some of the you know, they didn't give he
Speaker 3: Man his page boy prince Ville haircut, which I think
Speaker 3: I'll take the mullet that he has in this one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is, you know in the new one. You see that.
Speaker 3: It's like you can tell that's the conversation, like how
Speaker 3: do we keep the long hair and not have it
Speaker 3: look sort of you know, dorky dorky? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And I think they found different ways of accomplishing that.
Speaker 3: But I think, if nothing else, the fact that it
Speaker 3: took forty years for us to get another live action
Speaker 3: he Man tells you that, well, this thing, this movie
Speaker 3: had the field to itself for a very long time,
Speaker 3: so multiple generations have their own relationships with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. By the way, I'm mystified that they got purple
Speaker 4: Haze by Jimmy Hendricks in this movie. Crazy right, that
Speaker 4: must have been so expensive.
Speaker 3: That's that's the other half the budget. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 3: Castle Gray Skull set and the Jimmy Hendricks royalties. Yeah. Oh, hey,
Speaker 3: is this the first post credits scene of our lifetimes?
Speaker 3: I didn't even know about this post credit scene until
Speaker 3: much later.
Speaker 4: I feel like I do remember seeing it on TV. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think you saw it?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: Then yeah, I definitely didn't stick around for it in
Speaker 3: the theater. Well yeah, yeah, I mean who knew to
Speaker 3: do that back then? Right? But here we go nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty sevens Masters the Universe. Yeah. A lot of fun,
Speaker 3: a lot of fun, fun to revisit, a lot of
Speaker 3: nostalgia there, and I'm certainly looking forward to contrasting this
Speaker 3: one that we just watched with the one that we're
Speaker 3: going to watch in the next couple of days. So hey,
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Speaker 3: There we go, And with that, this has been our
Speaker 3: movie film commentary track for Masters of the Universe. And
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say goodbye. I'm gonna say good journey,
Speaker 3: Good Journey.
Speaker 4: Zachy