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much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman

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Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you listening. I apologize for not

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having a show last week. While I strive to be

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as professional as I can, unfortunately that doesn't always extend

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to the people who say they want to come on

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the show and talk about their experiences. Two weeks ago,

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I had a guest lined up who claimed that she

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had had an encounter with a pack of dogmen when

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she was a girl. Well, I reached out to her

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that afternoon of the show to confirm via text. Didn't

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hear back from her, so I reached out her. I

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called her that evening, hoping that I could get a

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hold of her to confirm if she was going to

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still be a go or not. Couldn't reach her, and

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then right at well pretty close to showtime, then she

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reached out to me. So by the time she had

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reached out to me, I'd already contacted another eyewitness who

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wanted to come on, and I put him on in

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her stead. So fast forward to last Friday night, and

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same thing happened. I told her things happened, no problem,

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we can always just reschedule it for the following Friday,

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which would have been last Friday night. So same thing happened.

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Afternoon that Friday. I sent her a text message to

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try to confirm. Didn't get a response, so I called

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her at six something, hoping to reacher to get a

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confirmation yes or no, because people cancel more than you'd believe.

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Didn't hear anything back from her, so I thought, Okay,

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well it's been a rough day. So I guess we're

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just going to consider this one canceled because I'm not

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going to put the framework in place for an episode

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if it's if I don't have any guarantee it's going

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to happen from the eyewitness, from the potential guest. Well, unfortunately,

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she said after the fact and the message and asked

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the message to me that she was ready for me

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to call her at nine pm Eastern time. But yeah,

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it just doesn't work that way unless a guest can

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confirm that they're going to be ready to go that

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show isn't going to happen. So what I'm giving I

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here is, like I said, I try to keep things

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as professional as possible, but sometimes the people that I

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plan to bring on, they don't try to do the same. Unfortunately.

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All right, now that I'm off my soapbox on that,

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let's bring tonight's guest on. Tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous,

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So with that in mind, I'm just gonna call him Johnny. Johnny,

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welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Vic, how's it going. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Johnny,

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please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm retired now. I was in public safety

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for thirty years. I was a paramedic and worked across

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the country. And my wife's retired. She's a nurse. That's

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how we met in Florida. We moved to Tennessee a

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year ago, just under a year from New York, where

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we were to be around her grandkids and her boys,

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things like that. That My family is still of Florida.

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But I worked for the federal government also for about

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thirteen years for a disaster team. Two teams actually in Florida,

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based out of Florida, and retired from healthcare and from

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the government back in the end of twenty twenty early

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twenty twenty one. So with that being said, I had

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message true not too long ago about something that I saw,

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and I just wanted folks to know that I'm not famed. Obviously,

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I'm going to nonice. You can tell of my accent.

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I am not a native of Tennessee, even though I

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live here now, So I'm not in this for anything

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other than just trying to find out more about it,

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which is what my wife and I've been trying to

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do some research of our own, which we've been doing

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for the last few months. And I just figured, you know, hey,

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let me let me reach out and see if anybody

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else had something like this in this area, or the

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same experience I have or whatever. And you got back

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to me and here we are, well.

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Speaker 2: Glad to do it. That's what I'm here for. Before

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with the audio. The audio isn't all that good.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Is there a way that you could back out of

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the studio and then click on that link I sent

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you with your phone and come in that way. I

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think we'll have better luck with your phone. I apologize

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for the delay. Everyone, Sometimes things like this happened there.

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Speaker 1: All right? Is that better?

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in Tennessee now, but from what I understand, you had

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some pretty interesting experiences in North Georgia. Please tell us

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a story behind that.

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Speaker 1: So when we were in New York, living in western

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boys and my parents, and we were kind of tired

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of driving around in a small vehicle. So we went

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it was late, we were tired. And the first odd

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thing was we were driving on this really dark road.

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north Georgia, not far from the border, and we saw

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these huge hind legs across the road, crossing what you

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would say is opposite lane of traffic from me driving,

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walking off the side of the road and up a

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small hill into the woods, and there was no mistake,

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and it was a mountain. So make a long story short.

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remember which one it was, to let them know that

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there was a mountain lyon site when we had done

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some background on Tennessee Mountain, Lion and things like that. Basically,

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a lot of the official government word is that they

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don't exist. They haven't been around for a hundred years.

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lived for a while before we met, and this was

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bigger than that, different color as well. So my whole

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point of that is that kind of hesitant to sound

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any bells or whistles about seeing certain things because you

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know there's already this tone or this atmosphere out there

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that well you didn't see that. You saw something else,

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and you know what, I know what I say so

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and my wife saw it too, So that was one issue.

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that I told you the other day was while we

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were driving on that same road, we went past the seminary,

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no houses anywhere around there, and we noticed an orb

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floating over the cemetery off to our right. I don't know,

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five feet away, but I thought that was strange. We

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both noticed it. It wasn't a firework, wasn't a firecracker,

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wasn't a street light behind trees. I don't know how

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else to describe that, but anyway, that's that's something else

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that happened on the same drive at the same time.

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half to last November, which was not long after I

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moved here to West Tennessee. As I was driving down

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to get dinner because I was reminding my kitchen and

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didn't really have a kitchen. Driving down the road, it's late,

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it's dark, it's all farms out here, very rural, and

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about two miles from here, mountain line crossed right in

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front of my farm. I stopped. I had to stop.

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he was walking, kept going. It was definitely a mountain line.

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He was not a bobcat. It was not any kind

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of berrel dog or anything like that. It was absolutely

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a mountain I reached out to one of the local

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universities of Tennessee because they have a they have some

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kind of program where they're trying to track or document

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mountain lions side. But I reached out to them several

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months ago. I'd never heard anything. So when I saw

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what I saw back less than two months ago on

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the side of the road here, I had a little

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hesitancy to reach out to anybody about it. And I

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didn't really do a lot of background on you back then.

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I had read a small passage about you and your work,

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so I decided to send in the information, but I

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didn't know if you were going to get in touch

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with me, And I figured out if he does, he does,

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he doesn't, he doesn't. It is what it is, you know.

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I didn't obviously call the authorities or anybody about about

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any of this that I saw, whether it be mountain

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lions or what I saw over coming home from Misori

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that night. So that's that's kind of why I'm here,

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Speaker 2: So you're telling me that you saw two mountain lions.

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you saw a dog on never mind, I guess he did.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say, well, you know, just to explain to

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folks it in my mind.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not. I'm not a wilderness expert,

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but I have been trained in the past, you know,

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as a wilderness in wood many many years ago. When

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I was working as a medic, it was just an

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additional certification, and as far as medics go, I took

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my certifications as high as we could go. There wasn't

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anything else for me to do as a paramedic because

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I had basically attained and achieved all the certifications you

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could have in North America. And I was. I was

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quite I was a chief like medic for years with

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several programs. So I flew flew all over the place,

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roll Florida, threw in the desert in Arizona. I worked

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in five states. I was licensing five states, and RO certified.

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I'm not an expert on any of disk. But what

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I saw that money. We have not found anything else

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that would resemble what I saw. I sent you a screenshot.

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and that screenshot, that illustration, that's about the closest thing

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I could explain to somebody like this is what I

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saw from to the top of the head up. There's

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no other animal like that around there, and not that size.

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But we are in Tennessee, and we did a little

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bit more research after I spoke to you, and there

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is a wildlife management area not far from where my

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sighting was, so I guess we can get into that effort.

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But there is a huge wildlife refuge area over there

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as well that I didn't know that back when I

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first had decided.

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Speaker 2: You're intend to see you're overrun with dog men. Of

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all the areas in the country, yeah, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania,

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I guess some parts of West Virginia there. Those are

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the hotspots right now. So doesn't come as any surprise

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to me, not at all all, Right, Johnny, please tell

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us all about that encounter. Now, give us ever last

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detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: So my wife and I were driving home. We were

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coming home from Missouri from the Blue Hill area, all

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over the bridge and let me just pull out my

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my Matt, because Matt will explain it better for those

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that may be local or know the local roads. So

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the morning. I want to say it was probably just

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fifty five and then we got off on the four twelve.

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off four twelve, and I was going through the town

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or city of Rowland. And I want to say it

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and it was clear night. I have a Ford Expedition XLP,

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So if anybody's out there, questioning what kind of vehicle

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I'm in. I'm in something that's very high up, and

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my seat's up. I have a seat push and that

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puts me even higher up, so I'm not like barely sitting,

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you know, looking over the steering wheel. I have a

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clear shot of everything. And these are one lane roads

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in each direction with no shoulder, just so people can

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have a visual. On the side of the road where

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the white line was, it's literally like two inches of

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pavement it ends, and then the dirt and the grass start.

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fifty to fifty five miles an hour, high beams on

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brand New at the time, they were lighting up the

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entire road. What I saw, I said to my wife,

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Holy explicative. Did you see that? Just off to my

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right hand side, literally a couple of feetback from the road.

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It was on the upward side of the incline that

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I'm driving up, And it was two large, black, triangular

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pointed what looked like ears and with a piece of

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forehead or head connecting to But it's basically like a

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straight line. It wasn't rounded or curved like some dogs

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or bare The ears were tall gears were dark. The

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ears were like upright, trying to like capital a's but

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with a point. And I would have to say, like

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I told you the other day that when I was

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looking and I measured at my house from approximately the

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driver's seat to the approximate where I think I saw

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this thing, and it was about sixteen feet, so sixteen

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feet with my glasses on with progressive lenss sixteen feet

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from my eyeballs to the side of the road was

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slightly ahead of the vehicle. That's how far this object was.

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And as I saw those two things sticking out from above,

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what was some tall grass? It wasn't. It wasn't like

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they weren't cornstalks. It was just tall weaves and grass.

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I want to say that grass or we were probably

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around three feet three and a half feet tall. If

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I was walking in it, it would be probably past

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my waist. And that's where I noticed the ears and

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what appeared to be head just that's all I saw.

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I did not see eyes. I did not see face,

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because when I first looked, I saw the ears, I

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saw the headline. The line between the ears. I want

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to say that was probably somewhere between six and eight

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inches if I had to reckon a guest and it

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was moving down below the grass or the weeds, the

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tops of the weeds. That's the other thing that struck me.

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It was just hot that it would it moved down

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in a position where the only thing I could say

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that would make sense would be a human squatting straight

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down at the knees below the grass to avoid being seen.

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That's the only way that that movement would have made sense.

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But with those ears and the way that this went down,

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and then looking and doing further research and how dog

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men are built, how their bodies are, just they could

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it seems like if they're real, they could do that

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kind of squat. They could do that. We're keeping their

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focus there, what they're looking at straight ahead, bending at

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the knees, going straight down, and keeping their eyes fixed

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on an object or a target. That would make sense.

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Dogs dogs don't really do that. Dogs bend their head forward,

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Wolves bend their head forward and down. Bears bend their

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head forward and down. It was an unnatural movement, see that,

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going straight down. And when I by the time I

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said it to my wife, like oh we had did

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you see that? We were already basically passing it. There's

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no way she could have seen it, even if she

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looked in time, because her windows tindered to the point

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where all my windows look black except for the wind shie.

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If it was standing behind my truck on these roads,

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I wouldn't see it because my black window was pretended

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by the previous owner. It's like the most I wouldn't

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even see it for the standing behind my truck, but

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out the windshield, that's a different story. We kept driving.

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I did not stop. I did not tell anybody. I

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didn't even tell my sons. I didn't tell my parents.

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I didn't tell anybody on her side of the family.

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It's just in between myself for now, you and the audience.

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So I'm not I'm not traumatized by it. And I

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understand that how you evolved was helping people get through

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these issues. And I know what PTSD is. I've had

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it before. I have no symptoms or signs of that

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at all. From this, it's more curiosity. But like I

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said to you the other day, I'm not about to

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go out and take a drive to Land by the

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Lakes at midnight, get out of my truck and start

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walking around with flashlight, like, that's not happy. You know,

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that's not happening. We're twenty people. I wouldn't do it.

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So yeah, we did not stop. We just kept driving on.

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We went home, and that's kind of where we started

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doing some more research about it, and we started getting

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into other podcasts, videos, people that are blogging posting stuff,

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and you know, some of the stories are embellished, or

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maybe some of the stories are you know, just described

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in a way where it's just all it's just fantastic story.

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But then there's other stories that are out there. They

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are very subtle. Nothing extraordinary happened, like with my encounter.

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So I hope the fans aren't disappointed, because that's that's

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all I saw. My thing is. And what I asked

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you the other day is I understand from what I'm

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reading my research kind of seeing appears to be a

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huge hotbed in tucking eastern Missouri, Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania.

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You know, And before I moved to Tennessee, I think

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I may have heard a mention of good Man. Obviously

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I've heard about Sasquatch from years ago. But now we're

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learning like holy cow, like we're in the middle of

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this huge hotbed of activity, and that let us down

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the paths of other I don't want to say conspiracies.

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I don't like that word doesn't really apply to you,

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and I don't think but other stories, whether it be

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whistleblowers or ex law enforcement X may pay people that

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are patting countess who lived to tell the tale. This

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seems to be a huge area for that kind of stuff.

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So that brings us through a research that brought us

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to land by the ways, that brought us to Bumpus Mills,

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that brought us to all of these wildlife preserved what

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we'd never heard of before, nor had we camped there.

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The few years of your ar being all over to

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the coast, I hadn't heard anything from Georgia to Virginia

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to Florida, have got anything about sasquatch or a dog

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man never came up. But now they're here. It's it's

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amazing how much activity there's been. I did that I

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that we didn't know about. Sure, there's millions of others

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that don't really know, but once you get into it,

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it's kind of hard to ignore. Now. My thing is

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is that people that don't see them that tend to

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investigate these stories or they actually go out in mild

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have any counted one? But they talk to people that have.

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The big question a lot of people have is is

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there a den? Are there dens near where these sightings are?

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I did see one rough heat nap somebody who was

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tracking sightings from across the country like the last thirty years,

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and there's seems to be a huge swap in the

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central part of the country in this area in particular,

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and then there's pepperin all over the place. And that's

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what I asked you last week. You know, with all

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of your information that people have passed on and encounters,

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you know, was there a real big activity area south

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of the Tapula Because we're not far from the Big

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Sandy either, which is a huge wildlife area, you know,

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and this land by the lakes, and it's just there's

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a refuge right down the street from here. I mean,

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they're all over the place. So you know, if there's

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local people listening and they have they've had those sightings,

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I'd be interested to hear like where they were and

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what did they actually see. I haven't talked to anybody

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local about this because I just moved here and it

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all I don't want the neighbors thinking that we're looking

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for attention or you know whatever conspiracy, the this or

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this and that. But we're just two sailing normal people,

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you know that. You know, we have kind of a

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homestead of here and being like the government overreach in

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New York and Florida was just two crowded as much

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prime and we're looking for a place to live where

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we can have some land and kind of you know,

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live off the grid for the most part. But that's

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where you know, we didn't know about all this dog

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stuff before. But I just, like I told you, I

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find it really hard to believe that after all of

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these weird decades century of citing stories from all different people,

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all different backgrounds, across the spectrum, all different age groups,

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I have a hard time believing that they're not telling

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the truth, or that they're lying or they're fabricating. You know.

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It's like some people, maybe a handful, they're sensationalists. They

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want to fabricate this, you know, they want to glorify

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or you know, they want to be like the hero

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of the school. Yeah that's not us. And so I

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just I don't like where people just it's just automatically. Nope,

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there's no way you can have seen. No, there's no

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way it's possible. Nope, they don't exist, because that tends

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to be what you read, what you hear about is

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that people are basically pushed aside, brushed aside. Nope, there's

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no way, you know, I'm just curious. I think they

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could be around. I don't know how or where or

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when or what their origins could be. I have suspicions,

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but I think for us it's more curiosity, like are

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we ever going to order again? Are we going to

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see this thing standing out in the middle of the

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road like every other animal around here that we've avoided

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from hitting, And we've seen just about every kind of

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animal you came around, the exception of the moods and

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a bear, the only two things we haven't seen as yet.

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So I just I'm just curious, you know, as two

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m how how how many sightings are there really in

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around this area northwestern aside from like the LBL, because

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we we are in we're in the last third of

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the state and we're only a couple of countiest al

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so we're very ruled h And I don't know, I know,

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like you neighbors. So I don't know if there's stories locally,

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if people haven't even encounters, because it seems like families

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around here have had landing homes for the better part

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of half a century or more, so I would imagine

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that if these things have been around for a while.

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But there's probably a lot of families that have had

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some kind of encounter with these things. Ah, that's you know,

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like I said, that's pretty much my story. It's not

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anything glory or bloody or you know, people are disappointed.

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I apologize, but like I said, this is like I

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don't have any other way to explain what I say,

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and I don't know. That's pretty much it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not about coming on with the most fantastical story,

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the biggest nail bier of a dog meaning encounter. All

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I care about is is the experience true if it

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actually happened, which I definitely believe that yours did. That's

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all I care about. And if someone listening to the

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show as a problem with any of the people coming

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on talking about their encounters because their encounter is not

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a true nail bier, then that's on them. That's not

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what the show's all about. The show's about the truth.

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So yeah, there's no need to apologize. I appreciate the

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fact that you apologized for that. It just reflects a

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nice guy you are. But yeah, that doesn't even play

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into it. Now, before I go on, everyone listening, I

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don't have ability to clean up the audio for the

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YouTube version of tonight's show. It's a live stream, so

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what you see or what you hear, I should say,

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is what you get. But if you want to listen

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to the cleaned up version of tonight's show, then use

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your favorite podcast platform or podcast app to listen to

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tonight's episode and it'll be nice and cleaned up. I'll

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be able to clean that up before I publish it.

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You mentioned in our first conversation the healthy respect you

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have for the lamb between the Lakes and the Repid

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has for all these dog mean encounters that have happened there.

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Some of them are pretty brutal encounters too. In that conversation,

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I can't remember did I ever tell you about that?

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I think the first encounter that was ever shared with

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me was a guy who actually lived right on the

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edge of the lamb between the Lakes. Do you ever

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tell you about that encounter? It was a really frightening one.

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Speaker 1: No, not specific about that one, though. Hmm.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if the listeners want to hear it or not. Well,

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I'm going to bet they do want to hear it.

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So before I get on with the questions for you,

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I guess I might as well share that in two

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thousand and seven, the word had already gotten out that

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I was really interested in this whole dogma phenomenon. And

475
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back then, every night of the week there were podcasts

476
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,160
on blog talk radio that you could tune into. You

477
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:34,599
on Sasquatch, well, you would find regulars from night to night.

478
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,000
Tonight through the week, you would find regulars basically almost

479
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,599
all the same people in all the chat rooms for

480
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,759
all those podcasts. Well, when the word got out that

481
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,640
I was really interested about dogmen, after I had really

482
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,400
found out about them back then, this one guy sent

483
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,079
me a private message to let me know that he

484
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,519
had had a dogman encounter. I said, really, you've got

485
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:58,240
to be kidding me, He said, no, I did. So

486
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,440
he gave me his number, I gave him mine, and

487
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,759
we called each other. We spoke with each other after

488
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,079
that show ended. Well, he went on to tell me

489
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,119
how he lived right on the border of the limb

490
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,720
between the lakes. And I can't remember how long before

491
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:20,799
that this event had happened. But what happened was his

492
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:23,920
wife had gone out for a night on the town

493
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,960
with her girlfriends and that left him a I guess

494
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,480
he was at home alone with his dog. They had

495
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,960
a two story house and he was upstairs laying on

496
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:36,359
his bed watching TV. It was late at night, his

497
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,240
wife still hadn't gotten back yet. Well, he was laying

498
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,400
on his bed watching TV, and all of a sudden,

499
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,519
he heard this screen sound And when he heard it,

500
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,160
he thought it was just the house settling. The wind

501
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,839
was blowing, no big deal, you know, it is when

502
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,599
you're home alone here all sorts of strange things. So

503
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:02,359
he just just passed it off, is no big event. Well,

504
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,400
he kept on watching TV, and moments later he heard

505
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,400
that same sound and thought, wow, what is that? So

506
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,319
he muted the TV and is just laying there in

507
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:19,319
his bed listening and listening. Doesn't hear anything, So he thinks, okay, well, yeah,

508
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:21,119
it must be just the wind or something like that.

509
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,359
So he brings the volume back up on the TV

510
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,279
and he's watching TV again, and all of a sudden

511
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,640
he heard that sound again. Well, he had had enough

512
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,880
at that point, he muted at the TV. He got up,

513
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,839
walked across the bedroom floor, and the way this house

514
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,119
was built, he told me, he said, when you walk

515
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,880
out the door the master bedroom, the steps are right there,

516
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,680
right in front of you, and you can look right

517
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,039
down the steps across the kitchen floor and see this

518
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,400
door on the back of the house that was right

519
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,160
there on the back kitchen wall. Well, they had a

520
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,279
dog and it was a big dog, so they had

521
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:57,839
a big doggy door in that door. Well, when you

522
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,880
look down those steps, to his horror, guess what he

523
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,920
saw sticking partially through that doggy door. Yeah, that's right.

524
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,639
He saw the head and one of the arms. I

525
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,440
can't remember which arm it was, but he saw the head,

526
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,239
shoulder and one of the arms of this dog man

527
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,440
that was trying to apparently trying to get in through

528
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:23,400
that doggy door. So yeah, needless to say, he just

529
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,599
about had to come apart. I can't remember what he

530
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,880
said he did after that. It's been too long. It's

531
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,719
been over wow. Yeah, it's been close to twenty years

532
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,639
since I spoke with him about that. But anyway, like

533
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,719
I said, I can't remember what he did when he

534
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,639
saw that, but yeah, he just about had to come

535
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,039
apart when he saw it. Now, the big question, obviously

536
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,880
is why was a dog man doing that. What if

537
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,599
the dog man would have gotten would have gained entry

538
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,119
into the home while he's up there laying on his

539
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,039
bed watching TV. And even worse, what if he's laying

540
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:01,760
up in bed watching TV it gains entry to his

541
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,960
home and he's none the wiser. It actually makes it

542
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:11,280
actually into the home undetected. He's watching TV upstairs. His

543
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:13,760
TV is the only source of noise in the home,

544
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,119
so it's naturally gonna know he's up there. So yeah,

545
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:22,039
it really makes you wonder what was really on its mind,

546
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:28,599
what was motivating it. So, yeah, talk about a creepy story. Now,

547
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:32,079
other people, Yeah, they've had really frightening encounters around the

548
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:35,239
country as well with dog men. That's just one. That's

549
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,000
just one example there. But I can understand after hearing

550
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:41,679
all these stories about frightening things that have happened around

551
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,519
the Lamb between the lakes. While you're you're pretty cautious

552
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,239
of the area. But yeah, I don't think your odds

553
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,639
of being harmed by a dog man or any greater

554
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,639
there than any of the place you go. Again, I

555
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,159
can understand the reluctance to go there because of dog

556
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,840
men and what you've heard about them there and what

557
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,920
they've done. But like I said, I don't think you're

558
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,679
any more likely to be harmed there than in the

559
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,000
other place. So one day, if you do decide to

560
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:09,079
visit the park, if nothing more than to just drive

561
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:12,400
around and sight see, maybe check out the bison area,

562
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,199
I hope you do that sometime, but only if you

563
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:15,960
are ready to.

564
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 1: Do that, right right, Well, I think it's funny that you,

565
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:25,400
you know, you talked about this gentleman of the story

566
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,440
where he's up in the beds, and that my big thing,

567
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,559
and it's because of the work I did, is the

568
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:36,760
situational awareness. So there's probably a lot of people that

569
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,559
are listening and say, oh, okay, situational awareness all right,

570
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:45,719
So yeah, law enforcement, public safety pilots, situational awareness is

571
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,880
something that you're taught. It's it's something that everybody has

572
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,639
but may not really pay attention. But basically your head

573
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:55,679
on a swivel. And I function like that all the time,

574
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:59,159
whether I'm home or I'm out with my wife, you know,

575
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,079
she always asked me, why do you sit with your

576
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:04,760
back facing the front door of a restaurant or somewhere

577
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,800
where we go. I'm like, because I want to see

578
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,880
what's coming in the front door. You know. I always

579
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,400
look for a means vgress where I get, wherever I go.

580
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:14,480
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter where I go. Putt

581
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,679
be a coffee shop, because you know, today's world is dangerous,

582
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,199
not like it was thirty forty years ago when grown up.

583
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:24,320
And I always say, like, I joke with her, but

584
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,199
I always say, like, I'm not going to be that

585
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,280
guy on a YouTube video or a tit pack of

586
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:34,400
thing that shows up like you know, hand feeding you know,

587
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,119
a shark. And then my arm gets there like that's

588
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,679
not going to be me. So that's why I say,

589
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,280
like I won't go to LBL. I won't go to

590
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,559
any state national park at midnight by myself or a

591
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:51,119
small group in a flashlight. It's just because like I

592
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:55,599
just don't. I say, well, why why would I want

593
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:57,320
to do that? Why would I want to you know,

594
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,639
it's just a bear or something wrong, those lines like

595
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,079
why am I going to go and be them? I

596
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,920
understand why people like real camping and stuff, and I

597
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:08,719
did two years ago, but not where I had to

598
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:15,920
worry about bears at camps. That's just me and just

599
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,840
I wanted to say before we got case, people were

600
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,719
one that town of Rowellan or Roland. I'm saying it.

601
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,480
I'm butchering that name. You can just say it. I'm

602
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:28,000
not sure how to say it. But that road that

603
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:32,719
I saw the years ahead, that was just north of

604
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,320
the Tiger Wildlife Management Area. And when I say just north,

605
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:41,840
Route one O four runs parallel to that wildlife area

606
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:48,159
for miles and it's also probably I want to say,

607
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,000
maybe thirty minutes south driving home off fifty one from

608
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:56,760
the Gutch Wildlife Management Area, which is another huge These

609
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,119
are like more horizontal wildlife areas, whereas LBL is more

610
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,880
of the north South situation, which is only thirty five

611
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,960
miles from Hide, the south end of the Big Sandy area.

612
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,480
And when I was doing some research, and I think

613
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,800
I mentioned it to you the other day, it was

614
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,840
a story. It was in the paper. It was in

615
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,039
a local paper in Bumpus Mills. I think it was

616
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:29,119
back in seventeen movie as well. The lady who apparently

617
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,559
had like almost two dozen shoots. They were all slaughtered

618
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,079
in the middle, and she came out to the barn

619
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,840
and like nineteen of them were basically the dead or dying.

620
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:41,159
I think she lost all of them and law enforcement

621
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,159
showed up. They had no idea what attack them. Well,

622
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:51,239
Bumpus Mills sits alongside the Cumberland River, which is basically

623
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,280
the east side of LBL, so they never you know.

624
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,519
And what I'm starting to learn is what people are

625
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:01,119
talking about with these attacks is that bears attacked a

626
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:06,199
certain way and eat their prey. Wolves coyotes will do

627
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,280
the same thing. But they said, it's not this isn't

628
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,880
typical coyote behavior because they'll usually go after one, kill

629
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,760
one and then eat eat it, but not go and

630
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,639
just kill nineteen. And they couldn't. They couldn't figure out

631
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:26,000
where the wounds came from, which is apparently what are common.

632
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:30,239
Another common denominator is the wounds inflicted, whether it be

633
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,519
on the stories about the ones on humans or an animals,

634
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:38,320
the livestock, all of these wound patterns appear to be similar.

635
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,840
And so I come from that kind of background. I

636
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,599
used to teach trauma and cinematics and trauma. I taught

637
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:51,000
critical care for years for prestigious universities. I taught and

638
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,920
principles of white medicine. So I'm familiar with trauma, familiar

639
00:40:56,039 --> 00:41:00,440
with gunshots, familiar with all those things. Have work, like

640
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,519
I said, in New York City for seven years, having

641
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:05,360
worked in five of these stags do in Boston, Providence,

642
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,360
down South Florida for Laudadale Miami. So I've seen a

643
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,519
lot of stuff. Have I seen it all? Know? But

644
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:16,440
I'm pretty familiar with trauma. And yeah, I like to

645
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:19,639
look for patterns and common denominators, and I'm starting to

646
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,159
hear and see a lot of these common denominators and

647
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:29,079
all these stories about how people approached ones that actually

648
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,159
lived to tell the tale what they've seen. And then

649
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,960
even talking with you briefly last week, you're telling me

650
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,159
about people that have sent you photos or even maybe

651
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,639
videos of what appear to be dog. That's crazy. I mean,

652
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,960
I'd love to see them, but that's just that's it's

653
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,280
a little scary too. Like if I saw something like

654
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,519
that in my property four acres in the middle of

655
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:55,440
the day, I don't know what I'd do. I mean,

656
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,559
i'd certainly go inside and probably get my shotguns, but

657
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:06,920
I've yeah, that's that's pretty scary stuff. So, you know,

658
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,599
my other thing is is another common denominator of all

659
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:12,599
of these researchers that are out there, A lot of

660
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:15,360
these people that are putting their videos on YouTube, they're

661
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,559
actually going out to the LBL at night, all different seasons.

662
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:23,159
They're going out there, They're walking around the wood and

663
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:35,840
they they're recording things, noises, sounds that just don't seem familiar.

664
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,559
They don't sound natural, you know, And like I said,

665
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:42,559
I'm not a wildlife Petsburg, but you know, I would

666
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,320
also like to know if there's any truth to the

667
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:51,119
fact that where sposally there's sightings or slash attacks in

668
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:54,480
the LVL, apparently a lot of those areas have been

669
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:59,519
shut down. Whether it's by park, the park rangers, or

670
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:05,159
fetal government, they don't know. But if there's any truth

671
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,679
to that, I'm curious because that's kind of what I'm

672
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,519
getting from everything we're watching. And we're watching this stuff

673
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:15,320
literally like every night now for like two hours before

674
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,599
we would have bet. We're watching all of these stories

675
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:21,079
and not just from here, So I'm kind of curious

676
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,559
about that. It seems like they're scaling back, whether they're

677
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:28,400
pulling funding and they're not, they're not providing park way

678
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,760
through posts, or they're not providing our v services anymore.

679
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,760
Aside from the homes that were flooded back, you know,

680
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,119
sixty seven years ago, it seems like a lot of

681
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:41,280
the RB areas as well have been closed. And apparently

682
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,960
these were also places where in and around where they

683
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:50,760
were former attacks. So I'm curious about that kind of

684
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,760
stuff as well. And that's just you know, that's just

685
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,119
here locally. I mean, it just seems like there's so

686
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,360
much more activity going on in other places. And like

687
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,039
you tell them, I think you told me about somebody

688
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:06,320
that sent your picture as a dog man or maybe

689
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,320
we're a video in like Ohio that is like realistic,

690
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,599
the most realistic point you've ever seen. And that's that's scary.

691
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,840
You know, It's like they're not just here. There's family.

692
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,360
Is the story of a woman who saw a dog,

693
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:25,000
a dog being dog man woman walking with three small

694
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:31,639
dog babies. Dog man baby. I mean, so they're mating.

695
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,639
They've been around for a long time, they got to

696
00:44:33,679 --> 00:44:40,159
be mating. So, like I said, I'm really curious, is

697
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,639
too well, I want to know more. I want to

698
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:48,000
know more. I want to learn more, and like I said,

699
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:50,559
if I ever have another strange account like that, I'm

700
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:52,440
certainly reach out to you and let you know that

701
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:56,559
I will. We'll see. I don't know.

702
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,079
Speaker 2: Well, if you do have another, then I'll be here.

703
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,639
All you have to do is do that. And with

704
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,079
your tendency to see strange things, I don't know. I

705
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:09,440
hope that was your last experience with a dog man,

706
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,239
but I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised some time

707
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,599
down the road you just might have another one. It's

708
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:18,039
really hard to say. And I'm wondering. Have you ever

709
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:21,199
played with a Ouiji board at any time in the past.

710
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe when I was in middle school. I thank you.

711
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,199
That was probably the only time I didn't. That was

712
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,639
a long time ago. Oh wow.

713
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed a pattern in almost every case when

714
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,480
I ask a dog man I witness that question, the

715
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:41,960
answer is yes. So really yeah, it really does make

716
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,079
you wonder if there isn't something to that.

717
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, so your customers or your podcast listeners, your following,

718
00:45:56,199 --> 00:46:02,159
if they have any doubts or questions about me about

719
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,719
my story, I would just say to them, hey, it's

720
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,880
real I was not drinking that night. I don't drink

721
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,119
and drive. I don't think drug. I don't think description medication.

722
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,159
I have all my practices. I'm in pretty good shape

723
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:20,119
for a fifty something old, you know. And I have

724
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,199
no I have no reason to make up a story

725
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:25,199
like this. And if I was certainly going to make

726
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,280
up a story like this, I would have made it

727
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,360
sound a lot more juicy if it wasn't real. And

728
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,800
I don't practice e G. I don't. I don't practice

729
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,760
any dark magic. I don't have crystals on my desk.

730
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,880
I don't. I don't do any kind of stuff, and

731
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,599
that's nothing wrong with it. I just don't do it.

732
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,519
I take care of my property, I build stuff, you know,

733
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:54,360
my wife like interior decorate and whatnot. And you know,

734
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,519
that's that's the extent of our what we do aside

735
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,280
seeing family. So yeah, I'm not into any kind of

736
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:08,440
superstitious now. If you ask me, do I believe in ghosts?

737
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:12,519
Yeah I do. I definitely. I had an account with

738
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:14,920
something like that many many, many many new years ago

739
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,119
when I was a little kid, and I don't remember

740
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,400
all the details. I just remember seeing something a long

741
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,000
time ago. But I do believe in an after life.

742
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:31,079
I do believe in those. I do believe in specters.

743
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:36,440
I do believe that place still hundred So yeah, I

744
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,599
do believe in them. I know there's a lot of

745
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,039
quad and phonies out there. They'll probably kind of pass

746
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,360
that videos and stuff. I don't have videos and pick

747
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,039
me and stuff like that, But I do believe in

748
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,960
a lot of the stuff that people intend to send them.

749
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:55,280
Who the people to show some of them you can

750
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,519
tell it's not really others, like, how do you even explain?

751
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,119
I definitely think that there's an energy out there after

752
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,239
in the after right, that it's time to be seen.

753
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:12,840
So yeah, I believe that, but you know I don't.

754
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:21,039
That's not my hop you know what I mean? Even gone, man,

755
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,239
it's like kind of a side any time thing, and

756
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,159
I'm not going to do stop during the day. But yeah,

757
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,079
so I'm not I'm not knocking the people that un

758
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:33,079
research are out there going in New where they'll give

759
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,760
him a lot of credit because the braves I think

760
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,599
I am even pulling on. I still wouldn't do it

761
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:40,719
because I just don't, Like I said, I don't want

762
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,679
to be that guy. But it doesn't come back from

763
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,440
his the one trip he goes on. But you know,

764
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:51,920
I still have a family to take there. Who I

765
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:53,519
just don't see the reason you need to go if

766
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:56,559
there's other people that are ready build. But my accounter

767
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,840
was random, maybe it's just one off. Hopefully mum hum.

768
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:05,159
But we'll see. I'm disposed to see other hearing the stories,

769
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,159
to see evidence from other people about what they've seen,

770
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,400
because how can you explain that? That's the question. How

771
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,960
do you explain? God, you know, how long is it

772
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,840
going to be? Why if it isn't, then why is

773
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,119
it being requested? I understand why the government is passed

774
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:24,400
if it's scary. People know Tennessee is that dog man

775
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,559
call all over the place and you know they'll leave

776
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:27,360
pulls and dollars.

777
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: I get it.

778
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,599
Speaker 1: But there's got to be got to be more to it.

779
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,280
I mean, for the people have to think in their

780
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,119
heads say yeah, there's got to be more dog sasquatch

781
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,000
of will And I don't discount people that may have

782
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,800
seen something like that high school. We believe that there

783
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,800
could be something like that. Ah, again, why is that?

784
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:54,000
How is it? You know, where's the extremely believe that

785
00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:00,360
evidence like being disappeared? One eason or another the three

786
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:07,159
that no, but all all lines point back to something

787
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,360
either being hidden or cover that maybe for the better

788
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:19,840
the sake of the general public, don't ah, I know

789
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,199
a lot of the people want to answer. You know,

790
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,760
I'm curious. You know this thing is real where you

791
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:35,400
come from? How come we haven't seen more? Ah? I mean,

792
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:39,519
you know, I'm curious if it is real? The wild people,

793
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,920
I mean, what do you think of to through that

794
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,880
we get another animal that it's hungry, he wants to eat.

795
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,800
I don't know. People have a lot of stories that

796
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:54,920
they felt like dog managers protecting them to them or

797
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,960
asquat of protecting them from the dog man. A lot

798
00:50:58,039 --> 00:50:59,840
of stories like that, And you know, like I said,

799
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,800
I don't know. I just don't think they're all ALP.

800
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,440
I just don't think anybody out there is a lot.

801
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:11,480
I think people truly have stories. And I think you

802
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:15,679
would know from what you do talking to people trying

803
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,360
to help people, especially when the PTS League. I've worked

804
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,719
seen you had PTSD myself. I co work in CAMI,

805
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:31,360
so similar kinds of symptoms. But that's explained terrible axed

806
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,559
you for that, But you're dealing with something it's just

807
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:39,639
not an every day act. But I could totally see

808
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:44,239
somebody who's not used to seeing death and all these

809
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,800
different forms like I have that my wife had. I

810
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,719
can see people completely bigg enough, completely using you know,

811
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,320
that would be my parents. They didn't get a deal

812
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:58,920
like the best kind of stuff in their career. They

813
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,159
would know what people I don't know what they would

814
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:06,280
do if they saw dogs. I think they probably think

815
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,119
that they were loving fun. And unfortunately, I think a

816
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:11,639
lot of people make more like that and they they ostracize.

817
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,239
They get ostracized in the community, they're afraid to talk

818
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,599
to people, they become recusy. I could totally see that happen,

819
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:21,679
and that seems to be another common theme. Another common

820
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,639
denominator is like the everyday day the game having any counting.

821
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:31,800
Nobody believes that family aims, friends don't talk to them anymore,

822
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,679
and then they become he's shut into these recordses in

823
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,119
their own home, in their own little world because nobody

824
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:41,840
believes them because somebody thinks they're fast, and that's just

825
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,960
I feel bad to it. That's a popping So it's

826
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:51,440
not you know what to do believe. So yeah, I

827
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,760
can see if what you're doing is really necessary, like

828
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,440
what I told you the other day, and give you

829
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,960
a lot of credit because you know, I think could

830
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,719
be a full time thing for you that you know.

831
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,320
Hopefully if more people gave the stories coming in and

832
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,280
say yeah, I say, I say this, and maybe we'll

833
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:16,440
get something. I think something that's that's my thought, that's

834
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:17,159
my life's part.

835
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,119
Speaker 2: Isn't in a wild world? Now you've seen the dog Man,

836
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:25,400
it really does make you wonder what else is out there?

837
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:28,320
Because if dog Man can be out there, anything else

838
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,960
could be. It really could. It looks like bang bang,

839
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,000
let's get to the questions now from the live chat.

840
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,199
Looks like bang Bang wants to know, Johnny, did you

841
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,559
ever see a UFO or have a pure normal experience?

842
00:53:43,559 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: Uh? Ufo? Yeah? Yeah. The one that absolutely comes to

843
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:59,079
mind was back in two thousand and six. Two thousand

844
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:04,920
and six, I was relocating from Florida to Arizona driving

845
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,320
a moving truck and I had my coworker Slash soon

846
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,440
to be roommate. We're going to rent be renting a

847
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,039
house together out in Arizona. Because we were flying together,

848
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,280
he decided he just he didn't want to drive slow anymore.

849
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,159
So he said, listen, I got to do like eighty

850
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:25,599
eighty five. I can't do this city by my own

851
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,639
house stuff anymore. I said, that's fine, just go ahead.

852
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,800
I was in West Texas coming into New Mexico on

853
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,599
I driving the truck. It was just after midnight, and

854
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,559
I noticed this white ball of light off to my

855
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,880
left in the distance. No real good frame of reference

856
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:46,199
is if you know that road in West Texas. It's

857
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,639
nothing but just like almost like a desert like environment.

858
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,000
He gets hills. Yeah, the highway cuts through some of

859
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:56,880
the hills, and he's really low, lying down, so you

860
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,199
really can't tell when it's dark out how far something is.

861
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,599
But this light ran paralleled my truck. It was the

862
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:10,000
better part of thirty miles half hour, thirty five miles.

863
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:15,559
Maybe it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't a cell phone power,

864
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:21,480
it wasn't a helicopter, it wasn't an airplane. It was

865
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:23,239
not the moon, because the moon was off to my

866
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,280
right outside the passing them there and I'm driving a

867
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,320
thirty four moving truck. Nobody else was on the road,

868
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,280
of course, and I had no cell signal. Of course,

869
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,519
I couldn't even call my friend who is about two

870
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:42,880
hours up the road. And I when I came through

871
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,320
a passage on the right ten I believe it was

872
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:52,760
snow less Texas. I couldn't see the environment around me

873
00:55:52,880 --> 00:56:00,280
except for the walls of a low lying mountain. Asked

874
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,639
that they had cut me to build like and when

875
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:04,360
I say mount it's not a mountains, just like a

876
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,280
big hill. But it was just rocky dirt type formations

877
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,960
on both sides of the world. But you couldn't see

878
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:12,880
out right or left. You could only see the highway

879
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,039
front back. So I'm like, all right, you know, street driving.

880
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,960
When I got through that pass that white ball of

881
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:26,880
light was still there and I I was really training

882
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,800
these vanagion We're trained in weather, we're trained to spot

883
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,000
on their aircraft, we're trained to spot tower and just

884
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,960
all kinds of stuff and not and I could never

885
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:42,000
explain what I saw. Eventually it just went off the distance.

886
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:47,159
And thought that was my one encounter that I could

887
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:47,800
really remember.

888
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:48,159
Speaker 3: That was.

889
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:53,639
Speaker 1: UFO. You know, it was not a star because it

890
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,480
disappeared and it was too big to be a star.

891
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:03,960
It was the size of I would say, be like

892
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:05,880
the size of like the full moon. You see it,

893
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,639
But it was really low in the horizon, but it

894
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,840
was like moving with but it was not the move

895
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:16,519
to move up. As far as paranormal activity, yes, definitely

896
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:20,400
had paranormal activity that I actually went and said something.

897
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,599
Where we lived, my wife and I were renting a

898
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:28,280
town home that was a new development he's built. He

899
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,760
was atlant Pana, which is Palm Beach County, not far

900
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,719
from the Och. It was a few miles from Inch

901
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,519
Coaster and it was right across the street from the airport.

902
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:43,920
And we moved into this town home and there was

903
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:47,440
for two it was like three or four attatchm kind

904
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,760
of in the middle, so there's only one in the front.

905
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,519
Were living at that for a few guns time where

906
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:56,280
there they were living with us, and let me tell you, man,

907
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,840
there was some punky stuff going on. We still talk about.

908
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,679
It was good. And that was the one time I

909
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,559
thought I had an encounter with a sucking gust. I

910
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:10,039
could have sworn that I was awake, but I wasn't.

911
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:12,920
I felt like something was hovering over me with his

912
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,639
hands on my chest. I felt like I couldn't breathe

913
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,880
and appeared to be a dream. And my wife said

914
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,519
that I was screening when I woke up. And when

915
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:25,360
I woke up, I thought I had woken up once,

916
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,079
but I was still in the dream apparently, and then

917
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,559
I woke up again and I actually woke up through it.

918
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,000
I still remember the green, I still remember where I was.

919
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:36,840
I still remember what that bedroom looked like, because that

920
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:41,000
was the scariest thing that ever happened. Happened, But there

921
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,159
was lots of weird stuff that went on in that

922
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:49,679
that's scary, beside noises the dog we had trying to

923
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,079
freak out because we would close our French doors through

924
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:55,280
the bedroom. The kids had rooms down the hall and

925
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,800
wander room in the bathroom and the hallway and then

926
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,280
it was a long dark staircase going downstairs. It was

927
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,000
always built in this apartment building. And the noises we

928
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:06,360
would all here. Everybody stayed in their own room with

929
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,679
the closed. That's how fricky it was. It wasn't the

930
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:16,679
neighbors knew when they were home. And then the weirdest

931
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,599
thing that happened to us was you know master bedroom

932
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:23,760
closet where it was steel sat door and saying and

933
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,000
that less. But the service guys we would come in

934
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:30,880
back way, they would go up that door is that

935
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:33,800
was a penfilt field. So I couldn't even get to

936
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,159
that door. Give my step up. It was closed. When

937
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:40,400
you're going the always picked the open. Nobody came into

938
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:46,000
the apartment and we came home. One lent close and

939
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:49,119
get her dress. I looked up. The steel door is opened,

940
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:53,519
a three by three steel door with a and it's open.

941
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,320
I'm looking up into the attic of the whole building.

942
00:59:56,679 --> 01:00:00,440
What how did that happen? So we want up getting

943
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,199
a ladder, and I had to climb up and use

944
01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:06,599
a broomstick. Actually pushed the door shut. When I pushed

945
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:10,320
the shut, it locked shut, like you could feel it

946
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:15,119
the lock grap And I'm like, there's no way. There's

947
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:17,119
no handle on the east side of that for somebody

948
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:19,239
to open it. Who we had it that would have

949
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,239
to be opened from the clock. Out of that we

950
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,039
noticed doors that would open, doors that would that would

951
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:30,159
close when he came home, like she tours that door.

952
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,559
Now open that door. No people open the blundenough do

953
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:37,400
those lights on? No? And there was times where my

954
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:41,639
boys weren't even home during the day and weird stuff

955
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:46,239
was happening. I would hear footsteps upstairs when I was

956
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:47,960
down in the pushing the only one home because I

957
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:50,920
was also in school at the time, and I went

958
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:54,639
to the manager's office. I was really hesitant to tell

959
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:59,880
woman who can manager of the home owners office, and said, look,

960
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,800
I said, have you ever gotten complaints about this unit

961
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:07,440
where I live? Because I'm just curious. I was trying

962
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,519
to feel her out. She said, no, I thin I

963
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:12,559
can think of and I said, okay, you know, we

964
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,599
just want to know. She's like one night and I said,

965
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:18,679
you know, no, really want to say, but I wanted

966
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:21,599
up telling her what what happened. And when we did

967
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:24,239
some research on the property, you come to find out

968
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,840
that it was part of an Indian territory then years ago,

969
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,119
probably like a century or so ago, so who knows

970
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:36,920
what happened on that land, but that that whole experience

971
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,800
is totally we We actually had to move. It got

972
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,360
so weird. Uh, we just didn't feel safe. The dog

973
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:48,119
was in his mind every night. The dog totally, this

974
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,760
whole personality came through that in that year, and I

975
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,280
totally believe that there was something going on in me.

976
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,760
And that's probably the only time I really had that

977
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:04,760
type of experience, even that one. So yeah, that's my

978
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,920
paranormal in UFO experience. Now. My wife, she sees stuff

979
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,039
around our house all the time. Tonight, we can't figure

980
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,639
out whatever. We see stuff lying out here or I

981
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:21,159
don't know. We use White Tracker flight aware and either

982
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:23,880
they're turning off their transponders and they have no tail numbers,

983
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:28,440
or its military or something. There's stuff thing zagging around

984
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,559
the sky that year. I have no idea what it is.

985
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,719
She'll see some flashes, she may see a light or two,

986
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,840
or she'll see something moving against the star background. We

987
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:44,960
cannot explain it. We have telescope, we've got monoculated. We

988
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,800
don't know if they're drones, if they're being locally flown,

989
01:02:48,519 --> 01:02:51,679
I don't. I have no idea. I can't explain that either.

990
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,360
I don't know what. It could just be drones, it's

991
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,639
not small planes, and it's not I don't know what

992
01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:59,039
it is.

993
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: Holy cow, John, if you have to lock yourself away

994
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,760
inside your bedroom at night because house is too freaky

995
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,039
to dear's set foot outside of your bedroom, Yeah, that's

996
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:14,840
definitely a century twenty one moment in the making right there.

997
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,000
That's not good at all. It really isn't. And I

998
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:22,039
see a comment by Vicky in the live chat. She says,

999
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:25,719
wish I could hear this so much white noise. Well, Vicky,

1000
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,800
I made a comment earlier if you want to hear

1001
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,119
the cleaned up version of this. I can't clean this up.

1002
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:32,880
This is a live stream on YouTube, so I can't

1003
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,639
do anything to improve the audio quality of the live

1004
01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:39,800
stream here. But when I published the podcast version of

1005
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,239
tonight's show later on tonight, that will be cleaned up.

1006
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,719
I can clean the audio up on the podcast versions

1007
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,719
of all the shows, so if you check that out

1008
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,239
then it'll be all clean and ready for you. All right,

1009
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:56,719
let's get to the next question. This one's from unreal

1010
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,880
estate agent double O seven. He wants to know, so, Johnny,

1011
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,159
did you notice highlight glow arms and or legs feet

1012
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:10,360
slash hands that have bone structure like human hands slash legs. Well,

1013
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,199
he already answered that question earlier. He said that all

1014
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:16,119
he saw was just the top of its head and

1015
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:19,639
its ears. That's all he saw. So let's move on

1016
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,159
to the next one. This one's from Patrick, and Patrick

1017
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:26,920
wants to know really personal question here, And of course

1018
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,599
if you want to answer this, and great if you

1019
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:31,960
don't that's no problem, he says. You mentioned that you

1020
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:36,159
have pattern recognition. Have you healed from you Have you

1021
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,079
healed from your trauma?

1022
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: I would say yes for the most part. Yes, I've

1023
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:52,880
had a lot of traumas in my life and something

1024
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:58,920
that was just personal, not of my doing, and then

1025
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,639
there was just other experiperiences, you know, nine to eleven

1026
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:03,280
being one of them. Like I told you the other

1027
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:08,920
day about that, that was just more I think survivor guilt,

1028
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:16,079
which is a common UTSD subset, if you will, I

1029
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:21,840
had that for you, but working in got me from that.

1030
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:25,039
Talking to people, talk to people, primarily in my field.

1031
01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:29,440
What help. Family doesn't help. From my view of my opinion,

1032
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:31,880
you could talk to me all day long, I don't

1033
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,039
know anything. What you're doing is probably saying the thing too.

1034
01:05:36,199 --> 01:05:37,800
They may not be the best people to talk to,

1035
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:40,840
because those are the people that may be like, oh

1036
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,599
I can't hear it, I can't listen to that too glory,

1037
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,960
or they just don't believe you, or they just don't

1038
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,320
want to hear in the general because they don't know

1039
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,400
what to say. And that's really not a good response

1040
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,320
to hear when you really need to reach out to someone.

1041
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,960
Usually for me, it was always talking to people that

1042
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:01,480
had more experience or a similar experience that would help

1043
01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:05,360
me get through it. I got enough time on the

1044
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:10,880
job years long I was able to mentor people where

1045
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,679
they were having a hard time, and I'd say, Okay,

1046
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:15,280
so here's kind of what you're going to start going

1047
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,519
through over the next few weeks. And then that actually

1048
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:24,039
helps you heal to your past traumas helping somebody else

1049
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,599
get over their new trauma. And that's kind of how

1050
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:31,280
I look at things. Even from the teaching perspective. That

1051
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,000
always helped. But yeah, I'm pretty much over that this

1052
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:38,239
incident here. I don't have trauma from it. I don't

1053
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:42,920
have nightmares from it. My wife doesn't. We're just more

1054
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,679
curious than anything else. No, if I saw one in public,

1055
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,760
like I said, I would call Victor and tell them.

1056
01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:52,280
But I'm not about to go looking for them.

1057
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't say I'll blame you at all.

1058
01:06:58,679 --> 01:07:00,679
I don't blame you at all. Wish less people have

1059
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,880
got and look for them. I really do. I've got

1060
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,360
another question for you. It's a good one from Bang Bang.

1061
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,679
She wants to know, Johnny, were you near a parallel

1062
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:13,480
during the time of your experience.

1063
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: A parallel. Could you explain more what you need like parallel?

1064
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 2: Well, you know there are longitude lines and latitude lines

1065
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,800
like the forty fourth parallel. That's what she was asking about,

1066
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:34,119
because it seems like a strange phenomena. There's like a

1067
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:37,880
pattern of strange phenomena happening close to parallels like that.

1068
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: As well. To be honest, I'm not really sure. I'd

1069
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,599
have to be actually some research and figure out where

1070
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:47,519
I am in regards to all that. I'd have to

1071
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:49,320
figure out where I was in regards to all that

1072
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:54,639
in Florida as well, because we're probably we're a good

1073
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:58,239
bit more of where I was. If I had to

1074
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,079
drive straight out of Florida and then even to get

1075
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,760
here like in Nashville, I would have to drive about

1076
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,559
six hundred miles, So that definitely not the same parallel.

1077
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:10,599
I'd have to do some research to look it up.

1078
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,719
I honestly don't know. I do I do not know.

1079
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:17,279
I just know that where I was physically is right

1080
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:22,840
in the middle of wildlife preserved rural county, rural area

1081
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:27,680
of this rural state in general, and overall from where

1082
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,600
we were at that time, probably less than two hours

1083
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,760
through LBL Big Sand.

1084
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, the perfect dog man habitat. I'm going to ask

1085
01:08:39,239 --> 01:08:43,079
one more question, and this one is from Steve Stepanik.

1086
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: And.

1087
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: In the roundabout way, you already answered this one. Steve

1088
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,000
wants to know, Johnny, do you have both dog men

1089
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:55,039
and bigfoot on your property? Well, Steve, his encounter happened

1090
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:58,159
away from home. It didn't happen where he lives. He's

1091
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:02,199
never seen a sasquatra Us dogged man on his property

1092
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:06,439
or or immediately around his property, so you really wouldn't know.

1093
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,960
But I'm sure they probably are in the area. He

1094
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:12,279
lives out a good distance, so I wouldn't be surprised

1095
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:14,960
if at least at some point he does have those

1096
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:15,720
guys around.

1097
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was probably sixteen or seventy miles from my

1098
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:27,520
house when I saw the top of that head. That

1099
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,239
was a couple of counties away. That was west of

1100
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:35,800
where I and from where I lived to the LBL

1101
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,840
and the Big Sandy is like thirty I think it's

1102
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,600
thirty five miles roughly for the south end of that,

1103
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,960
so I'm like it was in between. I was actually

1104
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:50,279
just just east of Dyersburg. If anybody's out there, Tennessee familiar.

1105
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:54,359
So in that area can see I'm close to the

1106
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,840
Arkansas border, I'm close to the Missouri border, I'm close

1107
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,479
to the Kentucky border. It's all right up in that

1108
01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:07,399
north western area of Tennessee. All the states over there

1109
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:12,479
converged like less than an hour. So the Mississippi River

1110
01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:15,039
is the dividing line over there, so we want that

1111
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:15,960
far from there either.

1112
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you must have been close then yep. I'd say, well,

1113
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:24,640
before we get out of here, do you have any

1114
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,720
closing comments you like to put out there for us?

1115
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:34,199
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. You know, somebody, if somebody

1116
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:38,439
has had experiences or encounters in that vicinity, then I'd

1117
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,079
love for them to reach out to you if they

1118
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:42,760
haven't already, and maybe you can let me know. If

1119
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,560
they want to stay anonymous, that's fine. I'm not looking

1120
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,359
to actually talk to them for the most part. It's

1121
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,439
just I'm just curious. If you say, oh, I had

1122
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,319
six callers poe in and say, yeah, we've all had

1123
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:53,640
sightings here in the last year, I'd be curious about that.

1124
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:58,439
So if somebody has an experience that's local, it's part

1125
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:59,720
of the state, I'm curious to hear.

1126
01:11:02,319 --> 01:11:04,279
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd be surprised if you didn't have people who

1127
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:07,479
have had sightings in your immediate area right there where

1128
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,439
you live, but you don't know it because they haven't

1129
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:13,039
told you. And that's understandable because in most cases they

1130
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:15,680
realize it's not going to be received well if they

1131
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,359
do just put it out there for a stranger. But yeah,

1132
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,800
that's how it goes with these dog men unfortunately. But

1133
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,880
having said that, thanks again so much for coming on

1134
01:11:26,079 --> 01:11:29,520
sharing the details of that encounter and these other experiences

1135
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:30,960
with this. I really appreciate it.

1136
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh, prom thanks for having me. Thank you for your time.

1137
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:39,039
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Yeah, glad to do it well. Having

1138
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:42,039
said that, yeah, take care and if anything else does

1139
01:11:42,119 --> 01:11:44,399
happen in the future, like I told you, I'll be.

1140
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: There for you. Thank you, appreciate it, You're welcome.

1141
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 2: We'll see. Well that's it for another show. Everyone. Like

1142
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,159
I said, please remember if you had a hard time

1143
01:11:56,279 --> 01:11:59,279
hearing and understanding what Johnny was saying, if you use

1144
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:01,920
your favorite pot cast app to listen to the show.

1145
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,600
After I publish the podcast version of tonight's show, then

1146
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,560
I'll be able to go in and clean up that

1147
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,520
background noise. For you so you can easily listen to

1148
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,680
it again. Like I said, also, I can't clean up

1149
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,359
the audio on a live stream on YouTube here because

1150
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,239
what you see is what you get. It's live. But

1151
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,479
if you want to listen to the clean versions of

1152
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,560
all the shows, you've always got that podcast app or option.

1153
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,079
But having said that, if you've had your own Dogman

1154
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:33,319
encounter and need help dealing with it, coming to terms

1155
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:35,520
with it, or if you want to come on the

1156
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,079
show and share it with the listeners, please go to

1157
01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:41,800
Dogmanancounters dot com and submit report. If you do that,

1158
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,000
then I'll reach out to you and schedule a phone

1159
01:12:44,079 --> 01:12:47,840
consultation with you and we'll take it from there. But

1160
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:51,239
having said that, thanks, as always so much for listening

1161
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:53,239
to the show everyone, and I hope you have a

1162
01:12:53,279 --> 01:12:56,039
great night and an even better weekend. We'll catch you

1163
01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:18,319
next weeks.