Speaker 1: At a book.
Speaker 2: If you'd like to be able to listen to the
show without ads and have full access to bonus content,
that's an option. To find out how, please go to
Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman
Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you listening. I apologize for not
having a show last week. While I strive to be
as professional as I can, unfortunately that doesn't always extend
to the people who say they want to come on
the show and talk about their experiences. Two weeks ago,
I had a guest lined up who claimed that she
had had an encounter with a pack of dogmen when
she was a girl. Well, I reached out to her
that afternoon of the show to confirm via text. Didn't
hear back from her, so I reached out her. I
called her that evening, hoping that I could get a
hold of her to confirm if she was going to
still be a go or not. Couldn't reach her, and
then right at well pretty close to showtime, then she
reached out to me. So by the time she had
reached out to me, I'd already contacted another eyewitness who
wanted to come on, and I put him on in
her stead. So fast forward to last Friday night, and
same thing happened. I told her things happened, no problem,
we can always just reschedule it for the following Friday,
which would have been last Friday night. So same thing happened.
Afternoon that Friday. I sent her a text message to
try to confirm. Didn't get a response, so I called
her at six something, hoping to reacher to get a
confirmation yes or no, because people cancel more than you'd believe.
Didn't hear anything back from her, so I thought, Okay,
well it's been a rough day. So I guess we're
just going to consider this one canceled because I'm not
going to put the framework in place for an episode
if it's if I don't have any guarantee it's going
to happen from the eyewitness, from the potential guest. Well, unfortunately,
she said after the fact and the message and asked
the message to me that she was ready for me
to call her at nine pm Eastern time. But yeah,
it just doesn't work that way unless a guest can
confirm that they're going to be ready to go that
show isn't going to happen. So what I'm giving I
here is, like I said, I try to keep things
as professional as possible, but sometimes the people that I
plan to bring on, they don't try to do the same. Unfortunately.
All right, now that I'm off my soapbox on that,
let's bring tonight's guest on. Tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous,
So with that in mind, I'm just gonna call him Johnny. Johnny,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey, Vic, how's it going. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Johnny,
please give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm retired now. I was in public safety
for thirty years. I was a paramedic and worked across
the country. And my wife's retired. She's a nurse. That's
how we met in Florida. We moved to Tennessee a
year ago, just under a year from New York, where
we were to be around her grandkids and her boys,
things like that. That My family is still of Florida.
But I worked for the federal government also for about
thirteen years for a disaster team. Two teams actually in Florida,
based out of Florida, and retired from healthcare and from
the government back in the end of twenty twenty early
twenty twenty one. So with that being said, I had
message true not too long ago about something that I saw,
and I just wanted folks to know that I'm not famed. Obviously,
I'm going to nonice. You can tell of my accent.
I am not a native of Tennessee, even though I
live here now, So I'm not in this for anything
other than just trying to find out more about it,
which is what my wife and I've been trying to
do some research of our own, which we've been doing
for the last few months. And I just figured, you know, hey,
let me let me reach out and see if anybody
else had something like this in this area, or the
same experience I have or whatever. And you got back
to me and here we are, well.
Speaker 2: Glad to do it. That's what I'm here for. Before
we continue, though, Johnny, your computer is doing strange things
with the audio. The audio isn't all that good.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Is there a way that you could back out of
the studio and then click on that link I sent
you with your phone and come in that way. I
think we'll have better luck with your phone. I apologize
for the delay. Everyone, Sometimes things like this happened there.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: All right, I hear static in the background. But let's
see how your voice sounds.
Speaker 1: All right? Is that better?
Speaker 2: Yeah, your voice sounds better. Do you have a fan
on in the background.
Speaker 1: I just turned it off? Yeah, let me check this.
Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're fine. Take your time.
Speaker 1: Is that better? Uh?
Speaker 2: The ambient noise sounds just about the same. But that's okay.
We'll roll with it. Okay, moving on, Johnny, you live
in Tennessee now, but from what I understand, you had
some pretty interesting experiences in North Georgia. Please tell us
a story behind that.
Speaker 1: So when we were in New York, living in western
New York State, we go down to Florida a couple
times a year because my family was down there, my
boys and my parents, and we were kind of tired
of driving around in a small vehicle. So we went
looking around the country for r vs, and so we
wound up purchasing an RV and we were driving actually
to go back to New York. And when we were driving,
we were looking for a place to pull over because
it was late, we were tired. And the first odd
thing was we were driving on this really dark road.
It was like a one and a half lane road
north Georgia, not far from the border, and we saw
these huge hind legs across the road, crossing what you
would say is opposite lane of traffic from me driving,
walking off the side of the road and up a
small hill into the woods, and there was no mistake,
and it was a mountain. So make a long story short.
Not long ago, I contacted a site and I don't
remember which one it was, to let them know that
there was a mountain lyon site when we had done
some background on Tennessee Mountain, Lion and things like that. Basically,
a lot of the official government word is that they
don't exist. They haven't been around for a hundred years.
My wife's seen panthers down in Florida where where she
lived for a while before we met, and this was
bigger than that, different color as well. So my whole
point of that is that kind of hesitant to sound
any bells or whistles about seeing certain things because you
know there's already this tone or this atmosphere out there
that well you didn't see that. You saw something else,
and you know what, I know what I say so
and my wife saw it too, So that was one issue.
The other thing that happened that night that was strange
that I told you the other day was while we
were driving on that same road, we went past the seminary,
no houses anywhere around there, and we noticed an orb
floating over the cemetery off to our right. I don't know,
I'd have to say it was probably fifty to seventy
five feet away, but I thought that was strange. We
both noticed it. It wasn't a firework, wasn't a firecracker,
wasn't a street light behind trees. I don't know how
else to describe that, but anyway, that's that's something else
that happened on the same drive at the same time.
So let's fast forward now about a year and a
half to last November, which was not long after I
moved here to West Tennessee. As I was driving down
to get dinner because I was reminding my kitchen and
didn't really have a kitchen. Driving down the road, it's late,
it's dark, it's all farms out here, very rural, and
about two miles from here, mountain line crossed right in
front of my farm. I stopped. I had to stop.
It was just walking and turned looked at me as
he was walking, kept going. It was definitely a mountain line.
He was not a bobcat. It was not any kind
of berrel dog or anything like that. It was absolutely
a mountain I reached out to one of the local
universities of Tennessee because they have a they have some
kind of program where they're trying to track or document
mountain lions side. But I reached out to them several
months ago. I'd never heard anything. So when I saw
what I saw back less than two months ago on
the side of the road here, I had a little
hesitancy to reach out to anybody about it. And I
didn't really do a lot of background on you back then.
I had read a small passage about you and your work,
so I decided to send in the information, but I
didn't know if you were going to get in touch
with me, And I figured out if he does, he does,
he doesn't, he doesn't. It is what it is, you know.
I didn't obviously call the authorities or anybody about about
any of this that I saw, whether it be mountain
lions or what I saw over coming home from Misori
that night. So that's that's kind of why I'm here,
That's what brought me to you.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me that you saw two mountain lions.
The next thing I know, you're going to tell me
you saw a dog on never mind, I guess he did.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say, well, you know, just to explain to
folks it in my mind.
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not. I'm not a wilderness expert,
but I have been trained in the past, you know,
as a wilderness in wood many many years ago. When
I was working as a medic, it was just an
additional certification, and as far as medics go, I took
my certifications as high as we could go. There wasn't
anything else for me to do as a paramedic because
I had basically attained and achieved all the certifications you
could have in North America. And I was. I was
quite I was a chief like medic for years with
several programs. So I flew flew all over the place,
roll Florida, threw in the desert in Arizona. I worked
in five states. I was licensing five states, and RO certified.
But you know, I'm not as far as this stuff goes,
I'm not an expert on any of disk. But what
I saw that money. We have not found anything else
that would resemble what I saw. I sent you a screenshot.
It came off of somebody YouTube podcast about dog mat
and that screenshot, that illustration, that's about the closest thing
I could explain to somebody like this is what I
saw from to the top of the head up. There's
no other animal like that around there, and not that size.
But we are in Tennessee, and we did a little
bit more research after I spoke to you, and there
is a wildlife management area not far from where my
sighting was, so I guess we can get into that effort.
But there is a huge wildlife refuge area over there
as well that I didn't know that back when I
first had decided.
Speaker 2: You're intend to see you're overrun with dog men. Of
all the areas in the country, yeah, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania,
I guess some parts of West Virginia there. Those are
the hotspots right now. So doesn't come as any surprise
to me, not at all all, Right, Johnny, please tell
us all about that encounter. Now, give us ever last
detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: So my wife and I were driving home. We were
coming home from Missouri from the Blue Hill area, all
over the bridge and let me just pull out my
my Matt, because Matt will explain it better for those
that may be local or know the local roads. So
I was taking one fifty five coming back into Tennessee.
And this is late. This was after two o'clock in
the morning. I want to say it was probably just
after three. The best of my recollection, we took one
fifty five and then we got off on the four twelve.
And on the four twelve we only have to go
and exited two and we get off count of rolling
or rolling I'm not sure if you're saying it right.
It's Roe l e N. So I'm saying, well, maybe Rowellen.
In any case, that's where I got off the highway
off four twelve, and I was going through the town
or city of Rowland. And I want to say it
was on that road probably for about fifteen or twenty minutes,
and it was clear night. I have a Ford Expedition XLP,
So if anybody's out there, questioning what kind of vehicle
I'm in. I'm in something that's very high up, and
my seat's up. I have a seat push and that
puts me even higher up, so I'm not like barely sitting,
you know, looking over the steering wheel. I have a
clear shot of everything. And these are one lane roads
in each direction with no shoulder, just so people can
have a visual. On the side of the road where
the white line was, it's literally like two inches of
pavement it ends, and then the dirt and the grass start.
So as I'm coming up a slight incline doing about
fifty to fifty five miles an hour, high beams on
brand New at the time, they were lighting up the
entire road. What I saw, I said to my wife,
Holy explicative. Did you see that? Just off to my
right hand side, literally a couple of feetback from the road.
It was on the upward side of the incline that
I'm driving up, And it was two large, black, triangular
pointed what looked like ears and with a piece of
forehead or head connecting to But it's basically like a
straight line. It wasn't rounded or curved like some dogs
or bare The ears were tall gears were dark. The
ears were like upright, trying to like capital a's but
with a point. And I would have to say, like
I told you the other day that when I was
looking and I measured at my house from approximately the
driver's seat to the approximate where I think I saw
this thing, and it was about sixteen feet, so sixteen
feet with my glasses on with progressive lenss sixteen feet
from my eyeballs to the side of the road was
slightly ahead of the vehicle. That's how far this object was.
And as I saw those two things sticking out from above,
what was some tall grass? It wasn't. It wasn't like
they weren't cornstalks. It was just tall weaves and grass.
I want to say that grass or we were probably
around three feet three and a half feet tall. If
I was walking in it, it would be probably past
my waist. And that's where I noticed the ears and
what appeared to be head just that's all I saw.
I did not see eyes. I did not see face,
because when I first looked, I saw the ears, I
saw the headline. The line between the ears. I want
to say that was probably somewhere between six and eight
inches if I had to reckon a guest and it
was moving down below the grass or the weeds, the
tops of the weeds. That's the other thing that struck me.
It was just hot that it would it moved down
in a position where the only thing I could say
that would make sense would be a human squatting straight
down at the knees below the grass to avoid being seen.
That's the only way that that movement would have made sense.
But with those ears and the way that this went down,
and then looking and doing further research and how dog
men are built, how their bodies are, just they could
it seems like if they're real, they could do that
kind of squat. They could do that. We're keeping their
focus there, what they're looking at straight ahead, bending at
the knees, going straight down, and keeping their eyes fixed
on an object or a target. That would make sense.
Dogs dogs don't really do that. Dogs bend their head forward,
Wolves bend their head forward and down. Bears bend their
head forward and down. It was an unnatural movement, see that,
going straight down. And when I by the time I
said it to my wife, like oh we had did
you see that? We were already basically passing it. There's
no way she could have seen it, even if she
looked in time, because her windows tindered to the point
where all my windows look black except for the wind shie.
If it was standing behind my truck on these roads,
I wouldn't see it because my black window was pretended
by the previous owner. It's like the most I wouldn't
even see it for the standing behind my truck, but
out the windshield, that's a different story. We kept driving.
I did not stop. I did not tell anybody. I
didn't even tell my sons. I didn't tell my parents.
I didn't tell anybody on her side of the family.
It's just in between myself for now, you and the audience.
So I'm not I'm not traumatized by it. And I
understand that how you evolved was helping people get through
these issues. And I know what PTSD is. I've had
it before. I have no symptoms or signs of that
at all. From this, it's more curiosity. But like I
said to you the other day, I'm not about to
go out and take a drive to Land by the
Lakes at midnight, get out of my truck and start
walking around with flashlight, like, that's not happy. You know,
that's not happening. We're twenty people. I wouldn't do it.
So yeah, we did not stop. We just kept driving on.
We went home, and that's kind of where we started
doing some more research about it, and we started getting
into other podcasts, videos, people that are blogging posting stuff,
and you know, some of the stories are embellished, or
maybe some of the stories are you know, just described
in a way where it's just all it's just fantastic story.
But then there's other stories that are out there. They
are very subtle. Nothing extraordinary happened, like with my encounter.
So I hope the fans aren't disappointed, because that's that's
all I saw. My thing is. And what I asked
you the other day is I understand from what I'm
reading my research kind of seeing appears to be a
huge hotbed in tucking eastern Missouri, Ohio, Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania.
You know, And before I moved to Tennessee, I think
I may have heard a mention of good Man. Obviously
I've heard about Sasquatch from years ago. But now we're
learning like holy cow, like we're in the middle of
this huge hotbed of activity, and that let us down
the paths of other I don't want to say conspiracies.
I don't like that word doesn't really apply to you,
and I don't think but other stories, whether it be
whistleblowers or ex law enforcement X may pay people that
are patting countess who lived to tell the tale. This
seems to be a huge area for that kind of stuff.
So that brings us through a research that brought us
to land by the ways, that brought us to Bumpus Mills,
that brought us to all of these wildlife preserved what
we'd never heard of before, nor had we camped there.
The few years of your ar being all over to
the coast, I hadn't heard anything from Georgia to Virginia
to Florida, have got anything about sasquatch or a dog
man never came up. But now they're here. It's it's
amazing how much activity there's been. I did that I
that we didn't know about. Sure, there's millions of others
that don't really know, but once you get into it,
it's kind of hard to ignore. Now. My thing is
is that people that don't see them that tend to
investigate these stories or they actually go out in mild
have any counted one? But they talk to people that have.
The big question a lot of people have is is
there a den? Are there dens near where these sightings are?
I did see one rough heat nap somebody who was
tracking sightings from across the country like the last thirty years,
and there's seems to be a huge swap in the
central part of the country in this area in particular,
and then there's pepperin all over the place. And that's
what I asked you last week. You know, with all
of your information that people have passed on and encounters,
you know, was there a real big activity area south
of the Tapula Because we're not far from the Big
Sandy either, which is a huge wildlife area, you know,
and this land by the lakes, and it's just there's
a refuge right down the street from here. I mean,
they're all over the place. So you know, if there's
local people listening and they have they've had those sightings,
I'd be interested to hear like where they were and
what did they actually see. I haven't talked to anybody
local about this because I just moved here and it
all I don't want the neighbors thinking that we're looking
for attention or you know whatever conspiracy, the this or
this and that. But we're just two sailing normal people,
you know that. You know, we have kind of a
homestead of here and being like the government overreach in
New York and Florida was just two crowded as much
prime and we're looking for a place to live where
we can have some land and kind of you know,
live off the grid for the most part. But that's
where you know, we didn't know about all this dog
stuff before. But I just, like I told you, I
find it really hard to believe that after all of
these weird decades century of citing stories from all different people,
all different backgrounds, across the spectrum, all different age groups,
I have a hard time believing that they're not telling
the truth, or that they're lying or they're fabricating. You know.
It's like some people, maybe a handful, they're sensationalists. They
want to fabricate this, you know, they want to glorify
or you know, they want to be like the hero
of the school. Yeah that's not us. And so I
just I don't like where people just it's just automatically. Nope,
there's no way you can have seen. No, there's no
way it's possible. Nope, they don't exist, because that tends
to be what you read, what you hear about is
that people are basically pushed aside, brushed aside. Nope, there's
no way, you know, I'm just curious. I think they
could be around. I don't know how or where or
when or what their origins could be. I have suspicions,
but I think for us it's more curiosity, like are
we ever going to order again? Are we going to
see this thing standing out in the middle of the
road like every other animal around here that we've avoided
from hitting, And we've seen just about every kind of
animal you came around, the exception of the moods and
a bear, the only two things we haven't seen as yet.
So I just I'm just curious, you know, as two
m how how how many sightings are there really in
around this area northwestern aside from like the LBL, because
we we are in we're in the last third of
the state and we're only a couple of countiest al
so we're very ruled h And I don't know, I know,
like you neighbors. So I don't know if there's stories locally,
if people haven't even encounters, because it seems like families
around here have had landing homes for the better part
of half a century or more, so I would imagine
that if these things have been around for a while.
But there's probably a lot of families that have had
some kind of encounter with these things. Ah, that's you know,
like I said, that's pretty much my story. It's not
anything glory or bloody or you know, people are disappointed.
I apologize, but like I said, this is like I
don't have any other way to explain what I say,
and I don't know. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not about coming on with the most fantastical story,
the biggest nail bier of a dog meaning encounter. All
I care about is is the experience true if it
actually happened, which I definitely believe that yours did. That's
all I care about. And if someone listening to the
show as a problem with any of the people coming
on talking about their encounters because their encounter is not
a true nail bier, then that's on them. That's not
what the show's all about. The show's about the truth.
So yeah, there's no need to apologize. I appreciate the
fact that you apologized for that. It just reflects a
nice guy you are. But yeah, that doesn't even play
into it. Now, before I go on, everyone listening, I
don't have ability to clean up the audio for the
YouTube version of tonight's show. It's a live stream, so
what you see or what you hear, I should say,
is what you get. But if you want to listen
to the cleaned up version of tonight's show, then use
your favorite podcast platform or podcast app to listen to
tonight's episode and it'll be nice and cleaned up. I'll
be able to clean that up before I publish it.
You mentioned in our first conversation the healthy respect you
have for the lamb between the Lakes and the Repid
has for all these dog mean encounters that have happened there.
Some of them are pretty brutal encounters too. In that conversation,
I can't remember did I ever tell you about that?
I think the first encounter that was ever shared with
me was a guy who actually lived right on the
edge of the lamb between the Lakes. Do you ever
tell you about that encounter? It was a really frightening one.
Speaker 1: No, not specific about that one, though. Hmm.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the listeners want to hear it or not. Well,
I'm going to bet they do want to hear it.
So before I get on with the questions for you,
I guess I might as well share that in two
thousand and seven, the word had already gotten out that
I was really interested in this whole dogma phenomenon. And
back then, every night of the week there were podcasts
on blog talk radio that you could tune into. You
on Sasquatch, well, you would find regulars from night to night.
Tonight through the week, you would find regulars basically almost
all the same people in all the chat rooms for
all those podcasts. Well, when the word got out that
I was really interested about dogmen, after I had really
found out about them back then, this one guy sent
me a private message to let me know that he
had had a dogman encounter. I said, really, you've got
to be kidding me, He said, no, I did. So
he gave me his number, I gave him mine, and
we called each other. We spoke with each other after
that show ended. Well, he went on to tell me
how he lived right on the border of the limb
between the lakes. And I can't remember how long before
that this event had happened. But what happened was his
wife had gone out for a night on the town
with her girlfriends and that left him a I guess
he was at home alone with his dog. They had
a two story house and he was upstairs laying on
his bed watching TV. It was late at night, his
wife still hadn't gotten back yet. Well, he was laying
on his bed watching TV, and all of a sudden,
he heard this screen sound And when he heard it,
he thought it was just the house settling. The wind
was blowing, no big deal, you know, it is when
you're home alone here all sorts of strange things. So
he just just passed it off, is no big event. Well,
he kept on watching TV, and moments later he heard
that same sound and thought, wow, what is that? So
he muted the TV and is just laying there in
his bed listening and listening. Doesn't hear anything, So he thinks, okay, well, yeah,
it must be just the wind or something like that.
So he brings the volume back up on the TV
and he's watching TV again, and all of a sudden
he heard that sound again. Well, he had had enough
at that point, he muted at the TV. He got up,
walked across the bedroom floor, and the way this house
was built, he told me, he said, when you walk
out the door the master bedroom, the steps are right there,
right in front of you, and you can look right
down the steps across the kitchen floor and see this
door on the back of the house that was right
there on the back kitchen wall. Well, they had a
dog and it was a big dog, so they had
a big doggy door in that door. Well, when you
look down those steps, to his horror, guess what he
saw sticking partially through that doggy door. Yeah, that's right.
He saw the head and one of the arms. I
can't remember which arm it was, but he saw the head,
shoulder and one of the arms of this dog man
that was trying to apparently trying to get in through
that doggy door. So yeah, needless to say, he just
about had to come apart. I can't remember what he
said he did after that. It's been too long. It's
been over wow. Yeah, it's been close to twenty years
since I spoke with him about that. But anyway, like
I said, I can't remember what he did when he
saw that, but yeah, he just about had to come
apart when he saw it. Now, the big question, obviously
is why was a dog man doing that. What if
the dog man would have gotten would have gained entry
into the home while he's up there laying on his
bed watching TV. And even worse, what if he's laying
up in bed watching TV it gains entry to his
home and he's none the wiser. It actually makes it
actually into the home undetected. He's watching TV upstairs. His
TV is the only source of noise in the home,
so it's naturally gonna know he's up there. So yeah,
it really makes you wonder what was really on its mind,
what was motivating it. So, yeah, talk about a creepy story. Now,
other people, Yeah, they've had really frightening encounters around the
country as well with dog men. That's just one. That's
just one example there. But I can understand after hearing
all these stories about frightening things that have happened around
the Lamb between the lakes. While you're you're pretty cautious
of the area. But yeah, I don't think your odds
of being harmed by a dog man or any greater
there than any of the place you go. Again, I
can understand the reluctance to go there because of dog
men and what you've heard about them there and what
they've done. But like I said, I don't think you're
any more likely to be harmed there than in the
other place. So one day, if you do decide to
visit the park, if nothing more than to just drive
around and sight see, maybe check out the bison area,
I hope you do that sometime, but only if you
are ready to.
Speaker 1: Do that, right right, Well, I think it's funny that you,
you know, you talked about this gentleman of the story
where he's up in the beds, and that my big thing,
and it's because of the work I did, is the
situational awareness. So there's probably a lot of people that
are listening and say, oh, okay, situational awareness all right,
So yeah, law enforcement, public safety pilots, situational awareness is
something that you're taught. It's it's something that everybody has
but may not really pay attention. But basically your head
on a swivel. And I function like that all the time,
whether I'm home or I'm out with my wife, you know,
she always asked me, why do you sit with your
back facing the front door of a restaurant or somewhere
where we go. I'm like, because I want to see
what's coming in the front door. You know. I always
look for a means vgress where I get, wherever I go.
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter where I go. Putt
be a coffee shop, because you know, today's world is dangerous,
not like it was thirty forty years ago when grown up.
And I always say, like, I joke with her, but
I always say, like, I'm not going to be that
guy on a YouTube video or a tit pack of
thing that shows up like you know, hand feeding you know,
a shark. And then my arm gets there like that's
not going to be me. So that's why I say,
like I won't go to LBL. I won't go to
any state national park at midnight by myself or a
small group in a flashlight. It's just because like I
just don't. I say, well, why why would I want
to do that? Why would I want to you know,
it's just a bear or something wrong, those lines like
why am I going to go and be them? I
understand why people like real camping and stuff, and I
did two years ago, but not where I had to
worry about bears at camps. That's just me and just
I wanted to say before we got case, people were
one that town of Rowellan or Roland. I'm saying it.
I'm butchering that name. You can just say it. I'm
not sure how to say it. But that road that
I saw the years ahead, that was just north of
the Tiger Wildlife Management Area. And when I say just north,
Route one O four runs parallel to that wildlife area
for miles and it's also probably I want to say,
maybe thirty minutes south driving home off fifty one from
the Gutch Wildlife Management Area, which is another huge These
are like more horizontal wildlife areas, whereas LBL is more
of the north South situation, which is only thirty five
miles from Hide, the south end of the Big Sandy area.
And when I was doing some research, and I think
I mentioned it to you the other day, it was
a story. It was in the paper. It was in
a local paper in Bumpus Mills. I think it was
back in seventeen movie as well. The lady who apparently
had like almost two dozen shoots. They were all slaughtered
in the middle, and she came out to the barn
and like nineteen of them were basically the dead or dying.
I think she lost all of them and law enforcement
showed up. They had no idea what attack them. Well,
Bumpus Mills sits alongside the Cumberland River, which is basically
the east side of LBL, so they never you know.
And what I'm starting to learn is what people are
talking about with these attacks is that bears attacked a
certain way and eat their prey. Wolves coyotes will do
the same thing. But they said, it's not this isn't
typical coyote behavior because they'll usually go after one, kill
one and then eat eat it, but not go and
just kill nineteen. And they couldn't. They couldn't figure out
where the wounds came from, which is apparently what are common.
Another common denominator is the wounds inflicted, whether it be
on the stories about the ones on humans or an animals,
the livestock, all of these wound patterns appear to be similar.
And so I come from that kind of background. I
used to teach trauma and cinematics and trauma. I taught
critical care for years for prestigious universities. I taught and
principles of white medicine. So I'm familiar with trauma, familiar
with gunshots, familiar with all those things. Have work, like
I said, in New York City for seven years, having
worked in five of these stags do in Boston, Providence,
down South Florida for Laudadale Miami. So I've seen a
lot of stuff. Have I seen it all? Know? But
I'm pretty familiar with trauma. And yeah, I like to
look for patterns and common denominators, and I'm starting to
hear and see a lot of these common denominators and
all these stories about how people approached ones that actually
lived to tell the tale what they've seen. And then
even talking with you briefly last week, you're telling me
about people that have sent you photos or even maybe
videos of what appear to be dog. That's crazy. I mean,
I'd love to see them, but that's just that's it's
a little scary too. Like if I saw something like
that in my property four acres in the middle of
the day, I don't know what I'd do. I mean,
i'd certainly go inside and probably get my shotguns, but
I've yeah, that's that's pretty scary stuff. So, you know,
my other thing is is another common denominator of all
of these researchers that are out there, A lot of
these people that are putting their videos on YouTube, they're
actually going out to the LBL at night, all different seasons.
They're going out there, They're walking around the wood and
they they're recording things, noises, sounds that just don't seem familiar.
They don't sound natural, you know, And like I said,
I'm not a wildlife Petsburg, but you know, I would
also like to know if there's any truth to the
fact that where sposally there's sightings or slash attacks in
the LVL, apparently a lot of those areas have been
shut down. Whether it's by park, the park rangers, or
fetal government, they don't know. But if there's any truth
to that, I'm curious because that's kind of what I'm
getting from everything we're watching. And we're watching this stuff
literally like every night now for like two hours before
we would have bet. We're watching all of these stories
and not just from here, So I'm kind of curious
about that. It seems like they're scaling back, whether they're
pulling funding and they're not, they're not providing park way
through posts, or they're not providing our v services anymore.
Aside from the homes that were flooded back, you know,
sixty seven years ago, it seems like a lot of
the RB areas as well have been closed. And apparently
these were also places where in and around where they
were former attacks. So I'm curious about that kind of
stuff as well. And that's just you know, that's just
here locally. I mean, it just seems like there's so
much more activity going on in other places. And like
you tell them, I think you told me about somebody
that sent your picture as a dog man or maybe
we're a video in like Ohio that is like realistic,
the most realistic point you've ever seen. And that's that's scary.
You know, It's like they're not just here. There's family.
Is the story of a woman who saw a dog,
a dog being dog man woman walking with three small
dog babies. Dog man baby. I mean, so they're mating.
They've been around for a long time, they got to
be mating. So, like I said, I'm really curious, is
too well, I want to know more. I want to
know more. I want to learn more, and like I said,
if I ever have another strange account like that, I'm
certainly reach out to you and let you know that
I will. We'll see. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, if you do have another, then I'll be here.
All you have to do is do that. And with
your tendency to see strange things, I don't know. I
hope that was your last experience with a dog man,
but I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised some time
down the road you just might have another one. It's
really hard to say. And I'm wondering. Have you ever
played with a Ouiji board at any time in the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe when I was in middle school. I thank you.
That was probably the only time I didn't. That was
a long time ago. Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've noticed a pattern in almost every case when
I ask a dog man I witness that question, the
answer is yes. So really yeah, it really does make
you wonder if there isn't something to that.
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, so your customers or your podcast listeners, your following,
if they have any doubts or questions about me about
my story, I would just say to them, hey, it's
real I was not drinking that night. I don't drink
and drive. I don't think drug. I don't think description medication.
I have all my practices. I'm in pretty good shape
for a fifty something old, you know. And I have
no I have no reason to make up a story
like this. And if I was certainly going to make
up a story like this, I would have made it
sound a lot more juicy if it wasn't real. And
I don't practice e G. I don't. I don't practice
any dark magic. I don't have crystals on my desk.
I don't. I don't do any kind of stuff, and
that's nothing wrong with it. I just don't do it.
I take care of my property, I build stuff, you know,
my wife like interior decorate and whatnot. And you know,
that's that's the extent of our what we do aside
seeing family. So yeah, I'm not into any kind of
superstitious now. If you ask me, do I believe in ghosts?
Yeah I do. I definitely. I had an account with
something like that many many, many many new years ago
when I was a little kid, and I don't remember
all the details. I just remember seeing something a long
time ago. But I do believe in an after life.
I do believe in those. I do believe in specters.
I do believe that place still hundred So yeah, I
do believe in them. I know there's a lot of
quad and phonies out there. They'll probably kind of pass
that videos and stuff. I don't have videos and pick
me and stuff like that, But I do believe in
a lot of the stuff that people intend to send them.
Who the people to show some of them you can
tell it's not really others, like, how do you even explain?
I definitely think that there's an energy out there after
in the after right, that it's time to be seen.
So yeah, I believe that, but you know I don't.
That's not my hop you know what I mean? Even gone, man,
it's like kind of a side any time thing, and
I'm not going to do stop during the day. But yeah,
so I'm not I'm not knocking the people that un
research are out there going in New where they'll give
him a lot of credit because the braves I think
I am even pulling on. I still wouldn't do it
because I just don't, Like I said, I don't want
to be that guy. But it doesn't come back from
his the one trip he goes on. But you know,
I still have a family to take there. Who I
just don't see the reason you need to go if
there's other people that are ready build. But my accounter
was random, maybe it's just one off. Hopefully mum hum.
But we'll see. I'm disposed to see other hearing the stories,
to see evidence from other people about what they've seen,
because how can you explain that? That's the question. How
do you explain? God, you know, how long is it
going to be? Why if it isn't, then why is
it being requested? I understand why the government is passed
if it's scary. People know Tennessee is that dog man
call all over the place and you know they'll leave
pulls and dollars.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: But there's got to be got to be more to it.
I mean, for the people have to think in their
heads say yeah, there's got to be more dog sasquatch
of will And I don't discount people that may have
seen something like that high school. We believe that there
could be something like that. Ah, again, why is that?
How is it? You know, where's the extremely believe that
evidence like being disappeared? One eason or another the three
that no, but all all lines point back to something
either being hidden or cover that maybe for the better
the sake of the general public, don't ah, I know
a lot of the people want to answer. You know,
I'm curious. You know this thing is real where you
come from? How come we haven't seen more? Ah? I mean,
you know, I'm curious if it is real? The wild people,
I mean, what do you think of to through that
we get another animal that it's hungry, he wants to eat.
I don't know. People have a lot of stories that
they felt like dog managers protecting them to them or
asquat of protecting them from the dog man. A lot
of stories like that, And you know, like I said,
I don't know. I just don't think they're all ALP.
I just don't think anybody out there is a lot.
I think people truly have stories. And I think you
would know from what you do talking to people trying
to help people, especially when the PTS League. I've worked
seen you had PTSD myself. I co work in CAMI,
so similar kinds of symptoms. But that's explained terrible axed
you for that, But you're dealing with something it's just
not an every day act. But I could totally see
somebody who's not used to seeing death and all these
different forms like I have that my wife had. I
can see people completely bigg enough, completely using you know,
that would be my parents. They didn't get a deal
like the best kind of stuff in their career. They
would know what people I don't know what they would
do if they saw dogs. I think they probably think
that they were loving fun. And unfortunately, I think a
lot of people make more like that and they they ostracize.
They get ostracized in the community, they're afraid to talk
to people, they become recusy. I could totally see that happen,
and that seems to be another common theme. Another common
denominator is like the everyday day the game having any counting.
Nobody believes that family aims, friends don't talk to them anymore,
and then they become he's shut into these recordses in
their own home, in their own little world because nobody
believes them because somebody thinks they're fast, and that's just
I feel bad to it. That's a popping So it's
not you know what to do believe. So yeah, I
can see if what you're doing is really necessary, like
what I told you the other day, and give you
a lot of credit because you know, I think could
be a full time thing for you that you know.
Hopefully if more people gave the stories coming in and
say yeah, I say, I say this, and maybe we'll
get something. I think something that's that's my thought, that's
my life's part.
Speaker 2: Isn't in a wild world? Now you've seen the dog Man,
it really does make you wonder what else is out there?
Because if dog Man can be out there, anything else
could be. It really could. It looks like bang bang,
let's get to the questions now from the live chat.
Looks like bang Bang wants to know, Johnny, did you
ever see a UFO or have a pure normal experience?
Speaker 1: Uh? Ufo? Yeah? Yeah. The one that absolutely comes to
mind was back in two thousand and six. Two thousand
and six, I was relocating from Florida to Arizona driving
a moving truck and I had my coworker Slash soon
to be roommate. We're going to rent be renting a
house together out in Arizona. Because we were flying together,
he decided he just he didn't want to drive slow anymore.
So he said, listen, I got to do like eighty
eighty five. I can't do this city by my own
house stuff anymore. I said, that's fine, just go ahead.
I was in West Texas coming into New Mexico on
I driving the truck. It was just after midnight, and
I noticed this white ball of light off to my
left in the distance. No real good frame of reference
is if you know that road in West Texas. It's
nothing but just like almost like a desert like environment.
He gets hills. Yeah, the highway cuts through some of
the hills, and he's really low, lying down, so you
really can't tell when it's dark out how far something is.
But this light ran paralleled my truck. It was the
better part of thirty miles half hour, thirty five miles.
Maybe it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't a cell phone power,
it wasn't a helicopter, it wasn't an airplane. It was
not the moon, because the moon was off to my
right outside the passing them there and I'm driving a
thirty four moving truck. Nobody else was on the road,
of course, and I had no cell signal. Of course,
I couldn't even call my friend who is about two
hours up the road. And I when I came through
a passage on the right ten I believe it was
snow less Texas. I couldn't see the environment around me
except for the walls of a low lying mountain. Asked
that they had cut me to build like and when
I say mount it's not a mountains, just like a
big hill. But it was just rocky dirt type formations
on both sides of the world. But you couldn't see
out right or left. You could only see the highway
front back. So I'm like, all right, you know, street driving.
When I got through that pass that white ball of
light was still there and I I was really training
these vanagion We're trained in weather, we're trained to spot
on their aircraft, we're trained to spot tower and just
all kinds of stuff and not and I could never
explain what I saw. Eventually it just went off the distance.
And thought that was my one encounter that I could
really remember.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 1: UFO. You know, it was not a star because it
disappeared and it was too big to be a star.
It was the size of I would say, be like
the size of like the full moon. You see it,
But it was really low in the horizon, but it
was like moving with but it was not the move
to move up. As far as paranormal activity, yes, definitely
had paranormal activity that I actually went and said something.
Where we lived, my wife and I were renting a
town home that was a new development he's built. He
was atlant Pana, which is Palm Beach County, not far
from the Och. It was a few miles from Inch
Coaster and it was right across the street from the airport.
And we moved into this town home and there was
for two it was like three or four attatchm kind
of in the middle, so there's only one in the front.
Were living at that for a few guns time where
there they were living with us, and let me tell you, man,
there was some punky stuff going on. We still talk about.
It was good. And that was the one time I
thought I had an encounter with a sucking gust. I
could have sworn that I was awake, but I wasn't.
I felt like something was hovering over me with his
hands on my chest. I felt like I couldn't breathe
and appeared to be a dream. And my wife said
that I was screening when I woke up. And when
I woke up, I thought I had woken up once,
but I was still in the dream apparently, and then
I woke up again and I actually woke up through it.
I still remember the green, I still remember where I was.
I still remember what that bedroom looked like, because that
was the scariest thing that ever happened. Happened, But there
was lots of weird stuff that went on in that
that's scary, beside noises the dog we had trying to
freak out because we would close our French doors through
the bedroom. The kids had rooms down the hall and
wander room in the bathroom and the hallway and then
it was a long dark staircase going downstairs. It was
always built in this apartment building. And the noises we
would all here. Everybody stayed in their own room with
the closed. That's how fricky it was. It wasn't the
neighbors knew when they were home. And then the weirdest
thing that happened to us was you know master bedroom
closet where it was steel sat door and saying and
that less. But the service guys we would come in
back way, they would go up that door is that
was a penfilt field. So I couldn't even get to
that door. Give my step up. It was closed. When
you're going the always picked the open. Nobody came into
the apartment and we came home. One lent close and
get her dress. I looked up. The steel door is opened,
a three by three steel door with a and it's open.
I'm looking up into the attic of the whole building.
What how did that happen? So we want up getting
a ladder, and I had to climb up and use
a broomstick. Actually pushed the door shut. When I pushed
the shut, it locked shut, like you could feel it
the lock grap And I'm like, there's no way. There's
no handle on the east side of that for somebody
to open it. Who we had it that would have
to be opened from the clock. Out of that we
noticed doors that would open, doors that would that would
close when he came home, like she tours that door.
Now open that door. No people open the blundenough do
those lights on? No? And there was times where my
boys weren't even home during the day and weird stuff
was happening. I would hear footsteps upstairs when I was
down in the pushing the only one home because I
was also in school at the time, and I went
to the manager's office. I was really hesitant to tell
woman who can manager of the home owners office, and said, look,
I said, have you ever gotten complaints about this unit
where I live? Because I'm just curious. I was trying
to feel her out. She said, no, I thin I
can think of and I said, okay, you know, we
just want to know. She's like one night and I said,
you know, no, really want to say, but I wanted
up telling her what what happened. And when we did
some research on the property, you come to find out
that it was part of an Indian territory then years ago,
probably like a century or so ago, so who knows
what happened on that land, but that that whole experience
is totally we We actually had to move. It got
so weird. Uh, we just didn't feel safe. The dog
was in his mind every night. The dog totally, this
whole personality came through that in that year, and I
totally believe that there was something going on in me.
And that's probably the only time I really had that
type of experience, even that one. So yeah, that's my
paranormal in UFO experience. Now. My wife, she sees stuff
around our house all the time. Tonight, we can't figure
out whatever. We see stuff lying out here or I
don't know. We use White Tracker flight aware and either
they're turning off their transponders and they have no tail numbers,
or its military or something. There's stuff thing zagging around
the sky that year. I have no idea what it is.
She'll see some flashes, she may see a light or two,
or she'll see something moving against the star background. We
cannot explain it. We have telescope, we've got monoculated. We
don't know if they're drones, if they're being locally flown,
I don't. I have no idea. I can't explain that either.
I don't know what. It could just be drones, it's
not small planes, and it's not I don't know what
it is.
Speaker 2: Holy cow, John, if you have to lock yourself away
inside your bedroom at night because house is too freaky
to dear's set foot outside of your bedroom, Yeah, that's
definitely a century twenty one moment in the making right there.
That's not good at all. It really isn't. And I
see a comment by Vicky in the live chat. She says,
wish I could hear this so much white noise. Well, Vicky,
I made a comment earlier if you want to hear
the cleaned up version of this. I can't clean this up.
This is a live stream on YouTube, so I can't
do anything to improve the audio quality of the live
stream here. But when I published the podcast version of
tonight's show later on tonight, that will be cleaned up.
I can clean the audio up on the podcast versions
of all the shows, so if you check that out
then it'll be all clean and ready for you. All right,
let's get to the next question. This one's from unreal
estate agent double O seven. He wants to know, so, Johnny,
did you notice highlight glow arms and or legs feet
slash hands that have bone structure like human hands slash legs. Well,
he already answered that question earlier. He said that all
he saw was just the top of its head and
its ears. That's all he saw. So let's move on
to the next one. This one's from Patrick, and Patrick
wants to know really personal question here, And of course
if you want to answer this, and great if you
don't that's no problem, he says. You mentioned that you
have pattern recognition. Have you healed from you Have you
healed from your trauma?
Speaker 1: I would say yes for the most part. Yes, I've
had a lot of traumas in my life and something
that was just personal, not of my doing, and then
there was just other experiperiences, you know, nine to eleven
being one of them. Like I told you the other
day about that, that was just more I think survivor guilt,
which is a common UTSD subset, if you will, I
had that for you, but working in got me from that.
Talking to people, talk to people, primarily in my field.
What help. Family doesn't help. From my view of my opinion,
you could talk to me all day long, I don't
know anything. What you're doing is probably saying the thing too.
They may not be the best people to talk to,
because those are the people that may be like, oh
I can't hear it, I can't listen to that too glory,
or they just don't believe you, or they just don't
want to hear in the general because they don't know
what to say. And that's really not a good response
to hear when you really need to reach out to someone.
Usually for me, it was always talking to people that
had more experience or a similar experience that would help
me get through it. I got enough time on the
job years long I was able to mentor people where
they were having a hard time, and I'd say, Okay,
so here's kind of what you're going to start going
through over the next few weeks. And then that actually
helps you heal to your past traumas helping somebody else
get over their new trauma. And that's kind of how
I look at things. Even from the teaching perspective. That
always helped. But yeah, I'm pretty much over that this
incident here. I don't have trauma from it. I don't
have nightmares from it. My wife doesn't. We're just more
curious than anything else. No, if I saw one in public,
like I said, I would call Victor and tell them.
But I'm not about to go looking for them.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't say I'll blame you at all.
I don't blame you at all. Wish less people have
got and look for them. I really do. I've got
another question for you. It's a good one from Bang Bang.
She wants to know, Johnny, were you near a parallel
during the time of your experience.
Speaker 1: A parallel. Could you explain more what you need like parallel?
Speaker 2: Well, you know there are longitude lines and latitude lines
like the forty fourth parallel. That's what she was asking about,
because it seems like a strange phenomena. There's like a
pattern of strange phenomena happening close to parallels like that.
Speaker 1: As well. To be honest, I'm not really sure. I'd
have to be actually some research and figure out where
I am in regards to all that. I'd have to
figure out where I was in regards to all that
in Florida as well, because we're probably we're a good
bit more of where I was. If I had to
drive straight out of Florida and then even to get
here like in Nashville, I would have to drive about
six hundred miles, So that definitely not the same parallel.
I'd have to do some research to look it up.
I honestly don't know. I do I do not know.
I just know that where I was physically is right
in the middle of wildlife preserved rural county, rural area
of this rural state in general, and overall from where
we were at that time, probably less than two hours
through LBL Big Sand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the perfect dog man habitat. I'm going to ask
one more question, and this one is from Steve Stepanik.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: In the roundabout way, you already answered this one. Steve
wants to know, Johnny, do you have both dog men
and bigfoot on your property? Well, Steve, his encounter happened
away from home. It didn't happen where he lives. He's
never seen a sasquatra Us dogged man on his property
or or immediately around his property, so you really wouldn't know.
But I'm sure they probably are in the area. He
lives out a good distance, so I wouldn't be surprised
if at least at some point he does have those
guys around.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was probably sixteen or seventy miles from my
house when I saw the top of that head. That
was a couple of counties away. That was west of
where I and from where I lived to the LBL
and the Big Sandy is like thirty I think it's
thirty five miles roughly for the south end of that,
so I'm like it was in between. I was actually
just just east of Dyersburg. If anybody's out there, Tennessee familiar.
So in that area can see I'm close to the
Arkansas border, I'm close to the Missouri border, I'm close
to the Kentucky border. It's all right up in that
north western area of Tennessee. All the states over there
converged like less than an hour. So the Mississippi River
is the dividing line over there, so we want that
far from there either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you must have been close then yep. I'd say, well,
before we get out of here, do you have any
closing comments you like to put out there for us?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. You know, somebody, if somebody
has had experiences or encounters in that vicinity, then I'd
love for them to reach out to you if they
haven't already, and maybe you can let me know. If
they want to stay anonymous, that's fine. I'm not looking
to actually talk to them for the most part. It's
just I'm just curious. If you say, oh, I had
six callers poe in and say, yeah, we've all had
sightings here in the last year, I'd be curious about that.
So if somebody has an experience that's local, it's part
of the state, I'm curious to hear.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd be surprised if you didn't have people who
have had sightings in your immediate area right there where
you live, but you don't know it because they haven't
told you. And that's understandable because in most cases they
realize it's not going to be received well if they
do just put it out there for a stranger. But yeah,
that's how it goes with these dog men unfortunately. But
having said that, thanks again so much for coming on
sharing the details of that encounter and these other experiences
with this. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Oh, prom thanks for having me. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Yeah, glad to do it well. Having
said that, yeah, take care and if anything else does
happen in the future, like I told you, I'll be.
Speaker 1: There for you. Thank you, appreciate it, You're welcome.
Speaker 2: We'll see. Well that's it for another show. Everyone. Like
I said, please remember if you had a hard time
hearing and understanding what Johnny was saying, if you use
your favorite pot cast app to listen to the show.
After I publish the podcast version of tonight's show, then
I'll be able to go in and clean up that
background noise. For you so you can easily listen to
it again. Like I said, also, I can't clean up
the audio on a live stream on YouTube here because
what you see is what you get. It's live. But
if you want to listen to the clean versions of
all the shows, you've always got that podcast app or option.
But having said that, if you've had your own Dogman
encounter and need help dealing with it, coming to terms
with it, or if you want to come on the
show and share it with the listeners, please go to
Dogmanancounters dot com and submit report. If you do that,
then I'll reach out to you and schedule a phone
consultation with you and we'll take it from there. But
having said that, thanks, as always so much for listening
to the show everyone, and I hope you have a
great night and an even better weekend. We'll catch you
next weeks.