Speaker 1: What's good y'all. Hey, Hey, hey, welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Heartest Soft Show. Before we get started, I just wanna
Speaker 1: tell y'all a few things, or at least let y'all
Speaker 1: know what's going on in here today. Right. It is
Speaker 1: the day after the play party. It was an amazing night.
Speaker 1: It was a great night. Vibes everywhere. Kingston Drinks was crazy,
Speaker 1: and Eli, who was actually one of our dom tops
Speaker 1: at Kingston Drinks, decided to stop one buy and do
Speaker 1: an episode with me right to prepare us for Sex
Speaker 1: down South, a convention that's going on in Atlanta September
Speaker 1: fourth to September sixth, where Loun and I will be
Speaker 1: a part of. Right. So we came in and we
Speaker 1: spoke about a lot of things. There's gonna be some
Speaker 1: surprises in there. Oh, they were surprising to me. I
Speaker 1: don't know about y'all. Y'all have the whole king community.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if y'all gonna be surprised, but it
Speaker 1: was uh yo, Eli's okay, he's he's that guy for real.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we spoke about it. But the episode only
Speaker 1: went by the a a hour and instead of giving
Speaker 1: y'all just an hour episode, I decided that it might
Speaker 1: be a good idea for you guys to get a snippet,
Speaker 1: maybe about twenty minutes of the For the Love of
Speaker 1: the Episode Yesterday episode that we did last week. So
Speaker 1: I'm putting in after the Hour with Eli, I'm giving
Speaker 1: y'all a twenty minute snippet of episode two of For
Speaker 1: the Love of Yesterday. Maybe I'll give y'all half hour.
Speaker 1: I don't know, y'all be good. I don't know if
Speaker 1: y'all good girls, good guys, But yeah, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: y'all a half hour, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: enjoy that and if you really want to hear the
Speaker 1: full episode, because that episode was nuts, Okay nuts, It
Speaker 1: was actually really good. It was such a good sequel
Speaker 1: to the first episode. I'm hoping y'all enjoy that. But
Speaker 1: y'all can go listen to the full episode. It's out
Speaker 1: right now on Patreon. Y'all know Patreon dot com. Backslash
Speaker 1: the Heart or Soft Show For the Love of Episode
Speaker 1: Yesterday Episode two is up. Hm, what else do I
Speaker 1: have to say? Oh, we just released the date of
Speaker 1: our Halloween party. The Halloween party will be November first, Saturday,
Speaker 1: November first. All right, it's already paid for, it's booked,
Speaker 1: so get your flights going, get your Airbnb's. You know,
Speaker 1: we're still thinking of the theme. We don't know what
Speaker 1: the theme is yet. We came up with some ideas.
Speaker 1: We're gonna, you know, finalize that, so you know, stay
Speaker 1: tuned for that. But the play party date is Saturday,
Speaker 1: November first, here in New York City. Pull on up
Speaker 1: to the biggest party of the year. I think it's
Speaker 1: the biggest party night of the year. I think Halloween.
Speaker 1: But whatever, it's going to be the biggest Navy party
Speaker 1: of the year. So pull your ass on up and
Speaker 1: let's get it cracking, all right, I mean so now, yeah,
Speaker 1: without any further ado, here's me and Eli talking about
Speaker 1: sex down South and a bunch of other stuff. That's
Speaker 1: not what we're talking about. Bunch of other stuff. But
Speaker 1: if you come in to six outside, I'll see you that.
Speaker 1: That's September fourth through the sixth. I hope to see
Speaker 1: y'all there peace. Can I ask you a question why
Speaker 1: you don't never play with my nipples? I got nipples too.
Speaker 1: It's my turn to get tied up knocking the headcuts though,
Speaker 1: I got PTSD. Welcome the Heardest Soft where men speak.
Speaker 1: So hopefully somebody will understand when you say freaky? What's
Speaker 1: what's freaky? What what do you mean by freaky? If
Speaker 1: I do this, you're not gonna tell your friends? Right
Speaker 1: all right, everybody, after a very eventful game day play party,
Speaker 1: very very eventful. Indeed, Eli the Naked Trumpet has come
Speaker 1: to bless the Hardest Soft show as he blessed several
Speaker 1: of our seamen or see women in the Nut Navy.
Speaker 1: As we were saying, behind the scenes, if you are
Speaker 1: not part of the Hardest Soft patreon, you miss a
Speaker 1: lot of behind the scenes action that goes on. But
Speaker 1: if you were at the game they play party, you
Speaker 1: were able to see some of the behind the city.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, somebody's name, my bad behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, my bad action that we.
Speaker 2: Have either oh man, I'm laughing at because I know
Speaker 2: exactly what you're talking about, and the people that's not
Speaker 2: part of the patreon, they can't see the feed, so
Speaker 2: they have no idea what we're laughing at. But this
Speaker 2: weekend was really good. It was a time of community
Speaker 2: to hold space. I liked that there was a fembody
Speaker 2: person given the consent speech and leading us into the play.
Speaker 2: The Kingston Drinks was dope. I feel a little perturbed though. Man,
Speaker 2: it was a whole. It was like seven or eight
Speaker 2: people showed up with an inn NBA jersey.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 4: They all had numbers that on the back.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: These niggas had a coach yo. And so I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: where's my shirt? I was like, taholdn get one? And
Speaker 2: they was like nah. I'm like, what fuck you mean?
Speaker 1: They had a nut Navy basketball and we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about this in the Mad episode this week, right. They
Speaker 1: had a Nut Navy Basketball Association group. They had a mascot,
Speaker 1: they had a cheerleader, they had their players, and they
Speaker 1: had a coach. Shout out to their coach. But if
Speaker 1: he coached, what am I? Because I had a Lakers
Speaker 1: jersey on you know what I'm saying. We had main
Speaker 1: players there. Eli was a matter of fact talk about playing.
Speaker 1: What were you doing at Kingston Drinks? What were you
Speaker 1: what was your experience at Kings and Drinks?
Speaker 2: So at Kingston Drinks, I was doing two things. Some
Speaker 2: people asked me to play a song for them, so
Speaker 2: I played, But I was doing electro play a sensation play.
Speaker 2: So I turned myself into the conductor while I was
Speaker 2: shocking people with my body and then using the wand
Speaker 2: and some people did it allow people to shock me
Speaker 2: with the wand and stuff. It was fun, but everybody
Speaker 2: was really warm, welcome, in a lot of good conversations.
Speaker 1: It was really good.
Speaker 2: Bartender was nice and fun. She did not hold back
Speaker 2: on the drinks. They were really stuffed.
Speaker 1: Nice. So nice, good environment. When you said you played,
Speaker 1: what does that mean?
Speaker 2: I played my trumpet. So I played on trumpet on
Speaker 2: a couple of people's volva and some people just wanted
Speaker 2: just to hear me place. I played for them. But
Speaker 2: that night at the actual party, because it was a conjunction,
Speaker 2: it was a continuation, they was like, well, how does
Speaker 2: it feel if I have no clothes on? So then
Speaker 2: I did it for two or three people and they
Speaker 2: left the bench white, so we had to clean it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's why I'm getting it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean when I say played, it
Speaker 2: actually played the trumpet and because they were laying against
Speaker 2: the metal bench, the vibrations were magnified that she said, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, it was you and a couple of
Speaker 2: other people. Yeah, thank you for my birthday song, You're Welcome.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they asked me to really, so.
Speaker 1: You actually put the trumpet on the vulva area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some they were laying doggy styles, so some people
Speaker 2: got it on the ass crack. Some people got it,
Speaker 2: you know, wherever they asked for. It was the ass crack,
Speaker 2: the volva where specifically they wanted it, but they had
Speaker 2: a good time.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been drowned off off off the playing
Speaker 1: anybody ever like flooded your trumpet? Because when you when
Speaker 1: you hear about it, right, you don't you just think, okay,
Speaker 1: he's playing the a trumpet on somebody's ship, But.
Speaker 2: It really works vibrates, so it's just like a vibrator
Speaker 2: and each person is different. So my last show in
Speaker 2: Baltimore was July THIRTI July eleventh, a young lady got
Speaker 2: on stage and she almost busted my lip. She grabbed
Speaker 2: my trumpet and then she's like started to close her legs.
Speaker 2: I had to keep her legs open, so it was
Speaker 2: a lot. And then when she got up, her chair
Speaker 2: was messed up, but we were on stage performing. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it has happened before, not directly like in my face
Speaker 2: or anything but the trumpet, the bell of the trumpet
Speaker 2: to be wet, or a lot of times they start
Speaker 2: shaking and they have to back up so I don't
Speaker 2: bust my lips.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's wow. It's intense.
Speaker 2: It's intense, and because you don't, you don't really expect it,
Speaker 2: and it has as more than one effect. The first
Speaker 2: effect is like when Usher sings somebody like it's that,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're singing to me, and then it's like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, you put it down here and I can
Speaker 2: then feel something. Right, So it is and then if
Speaker 2: someone is a fan of yours, it magnifies that that
Speaker 2: feeling they have.
Speaker 4: But it's amazing to watch out tons.
Speaker 2: Of videos of people well literally orgasming from it, and
Speaker 2: it's it's a beautiful experience for them and for me.
Speaker 2: And so now even though I don't want to always
Speaker 2: do it, people like they're kind of pissed if I
Speaker 2: don't do it at a show, right, just give the
Speaker 2: people they want. But it's definitely a dope time.
Speaker 1: Give me a pull, the pull of the mic closer
Speaker 1: to you right there? You go, all right, speaking about poll.
Speaker 4: But it's a lot of that man giving out.
Speaker 1: No can you do this. I know you're paying sexual
Speaker 1: I know you don't. You don't what is it called?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: You deal with whoever you like, whoever you got to
Speaker 1: enerjury with. Have you ever done the trumpet on a guy?
Speaker 2: Oh listen all shit so at Folsom Street East last
Speaker 2: year and this year and it's sex down South. I've
Speaker 2: done it on male body people.
Speaker 4: They love it.
Speaker 2: So it's two ways you can do it. Well three
Speaker 2: it's the gooch your asshole, or it's the actual shaft.
Speaker 1: You can't play a trumpet into my ass bro'.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't asking.
Speaker 1: I'm just not me. I'm this nigga, but I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you can't. What are you bent over and you just
Speaker 1: blowing like Lady sings the Blues.
Speaker 4: It can be It can be long enough, so it
Speaker 4: can be anything.
Speaker 2: What you have to remember is like, if you use
Speaker 2: a bidet that shit just feel good to say it.
Speaker 2: Don't And this is what dudes get real weird. I
Speaker 2: know you don't have this issue, but niggas get real weird.
Speaker 2: It's like, Yo, don't act like when you use a bidet,
Speaker 2: don't feel good if your girl if you if she
Speaker 2: if you're taking a shower with a woman, she washes
Speaker 2: your ass, the shit feels good. So it's the same
Speaker 2: principle of the vibration of the trumpet. So like you
Speaker 2: can blow on a woman and that shit feels good.
Speaker 2: So you can feel the air coming out of the trumpet,
Speaker 2: you can feel the vibration when the sound is coming out,
Speaker 2: and you can feel the vibration of the actual horn,
Speaker 2: so it feels good. Like for dudes, when we rub
Speaker 2: our gooch, that shit feels good. When a woman looks
Speaker 2: your taint, you know, that shit feels good. So it's
Speaker 2: the same thing. If she put a vibrator there or trumpet,
Speaker 2: it's the same. So one dude he actually put the
Speaker 2: put the head on the bell of the trumpet and
Speaker 2: I play, and this nigga was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Now I was just like just don't come and come
Speaker 2: ye horn.
Speaker 1: And nobody ever tried to like start stroking the trumpet.
Speaker 4: You know, I've never been in that position. That's the
Speaker 4: one thing I can say. No one is ever.
Speaker 2: I mean ladies, but no one with the filus is
Speaker 2: like tried to stroke because the women will grind against
Speaker 2: the but no one with the penises trying, right that
Speaker 2: would be crazy.
Speaker 1: That would be fucking nuts. And your list is right there.
Speaker 1: That's that's nuts because you got to keep the notes going.
Speaker 2: So if I can find somebody has the perfect size
Speaker 2: to fit, I will do that ship for it.
Speaker 1: Trying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll use my flui horn because it's a bigger
Speaker 2: bet and let them the horn. That might be dope,
Speaker 2: that might be something that fire. Have you ever had
Speaker 2: it done to you the trumpet?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Actually I have not. I can play it on myself,
Speaker 2: but it's not the same. So I've done it to myself.
Speaker 2: I haven't had someone do it to me.
Speaker 1: How you played on your I don't.
Speaker 2: Look you just I saw you just put you know,
Speaker 2: hold it up like this, Yo?
Speaker 1: How did you? First of all, did you leave that
Speaker 1: ship downstairs? Thin? You can bring that weapon into my house?
Speaker 2: No, the trump is in there.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about that dick,
Speaker 1: this nigga nigga ship. Bro. I'm chilling on the couch
Speaker 1: minding my damn business. He's over here. I want to say,
Speaker 1: three women giving him neck at the same time.
Speaker 2: It was four and the other one was sitting in
Speaker 2: my face. She was she was like in my nipples,
Speaker 2: So it was technically five. It was the whole basketball team.
Speaker 2: That's why they said they had to reorganize their play.
Speaker 2: That's that's why they were in the zoom comments talking ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: The man stands up. Yo, stay away from my girl,
Speaker 1: that's all. I stay away from my fiance. That's nuts, bro.
Speaker 1: Do you get a lot of fetishizing when it comes
Speaker 1: to you? You know?
Speaker 2: So I want to go back to so I did
Speaker 2: talk to you, and let me tell you you what. No, listen,
Speaker 2: we have the best conversations about you because she'd be
Speaker 2: wanting to shock to shoot out you, so that we
Speaker 2: were talking about electro.
Speaker 4: Play and so she's like, did you bring your kid?
Speaker 2: And every time I say yes, I end up getting
Speaker 2: busy and she we never have a chance because like
Speaker 2: she wants to shock you in a way that I
Speaker 2: don't think y'all have the attachment. So I have the
Speaker 2: one where I can turn her into the conductor and
Speaker 2: she can touch you and shock you.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, the one that you put the plate on
Speaker 1: your skin. Yeah yeah, the only thing about that Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we were talking about that, but we just
Speaker 2: didn't get a chance but yeah, she wants to like
Speaker 2: she enjoys. But she was like, I want to shock that.
Speaker 2: I was like, you actually smiling. So I was laughing
Speaker 2: at it. At the party. She was talking about that, say,
Speaker 2: this's the thing.
Speaker 1: Is about the electro play. When I put the plate
Speaker 1: on my skin, right and I try to touch somebody,
Speaker 1: I get shocked too. Am I doing?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: Am I doing wrong? Am I not? Because I kind
Speaker 1: of graized the skin? Should I actually know it needs
Speaker 1: to be?
Speaker 2: I can, well, yeah, it has to be fully flush
Speaker 2: to your skin because if it comes up and down,
Speaker 2: that's not what you want. You shouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: shock yourself when you're the conductor, so it has to
Speaker 2: be grounded to your skin. Everybody that touches you should
Speaker 2: receive a shock, but you should not be able to
Speaker 2: shock yourself, right.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's what's going on with me. Bro. When
Speaker 1: I put the plate on my skin and then I
Speaker 1: go touch somebody, it's a wap and I feel it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh shit, Yeah, you can feel some residual
Speaker 2: of the contact, but you shouldn't be like you can
Speaker 2: feel it going through you, but you shouldn't be like getting.
Speaker 1: Zapped like I'm getting zapped. Okay, super zap third rail?
Speaker 1: Do you have it turned up too high? Probably?
Speaker 2: So start always at the lowest and the front of
Speaker 2: your hand is not as conductive. You touch somebody with
Speaker 2: the back and you can feel the vibrations. As you
Speaker 2: turn the intensity up, it feels more like a shock.
Speaker 2: So as long as it's under a certain threshold, it
Speaker 2: feels like a vibration. Once you hit it past a
Speaker 2: certain threshold, then it starts to feel.
Speaker 4: Like an actual shock. Yeah, yeah, you know, you gotta
Speaker 4: fuck it. Yeah, you jump off.
Speaker 2: You definitely talking about fetishizing you and your body. It's
Speaker 2: or whatever about you. So it's interesting in this space.
Speaker 2: I will use black and white, and I will use
Speaker 2: like men and women because it is very important to
Speaker 2: have the dichotomy between the two. So with white people,
Speaker 2: because of the history of it, it feels differently like,
Speaker 2: it feels heavier, it feels more consumptive. You can tell
Speaker 2: they want to consume your body, your mind, your heart,
Speaker 2: all of that. So with white men and white women,
Speaker 2: it's very much that a lot of cucking like white
Speaker 2: men will like, you know, have sex with my partner
Speaker 2: while watch and the white women are like I'd rather
Speaker 2: fuck you than him, and they enjoy that degradation between
Speaker 2: the two. So that feels a little different because it's
Speaker 2: more like you know, the slavery slave of in America.
Speaker 2: With black men and women, they're just more like a
Speaker 2: size king or a size queen. So it even though
Speaker 2: it's about the same body parts and it's about my complexion,
Speaker 2: it's not the same because we still have the same
Speaker 2: lived and shared experience of being under the you know,
Speaker 2: living under colonization. So one when it's deal with white people,
Speaker 2: especially white men, it's more about their power and their money.
Speaker 2: They want to own and control you in that way. Well,
Speaker 2: white women, even though they say it in a way
Speaker 2: where it's like they're praising and worshiping our essence, it's
Speaker 2: still very consumptive. Like if you listen to or read
Speaker 2: the book That Delectable Negro, it gives a very clear
Speaker 2: picture of what.
Speaker 4: That is and how they do it.
Speaker 2: So it feels more of a weight for a delectable Negro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting title.
Speaker 2: Well because it talks about cannibalism, and even though the
Speaker 2: white European said we were the cannibals, they were they
Speaker 2: were literally eating and boiling Black Americans like physically wow,
Speaker 2: and you know, consuming there so other things, so it
Speaker 2: wasn't just.
Speaker 1: Like in America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would boil the ears and eat them like
Speaker 2: it's it's so many accounts from the actual slave owners
Speaker 2: and then different slaves, and that's what that book covers.
Speaker 2: So it when it's from them, it can feel that way,
Speaker 2: even though they can say it in love. But when
Speaker 2: it's from black and brown people or tossing this people,
Speaker 2: that's when it feels like love. Because we generally don't
Speaker 2: call ourselves big black cops. Like black people may say
Speaker 2: kiss my black ass, like that's that's the most black
Speaker 2: times we say we're black. Other than that, we just
Speaker 2: they don't move through the world like saying I'm black
Speaker 2: because we fucking can see that. So it doesn't feel
Speaker 2: the same. So I actually enjoy it more when it's
Speaker 2: from our people.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a scene where something was said
Speaker 1: or done in relation to fetishizing you or something that
Speaker 1: turned you off? This is what I want to ask you.
Speaker 2: The answer is yes. So recently I started working with
Speaker 2: all people and I was on we were on I
Speaker 2: have the video. I watched it back, and we were
Speaker 2: having sex. And I'm not going to say their name
Speaker 2: because whether they meant anything about it is neither he
Speaker 2: nor there.
Speaker 4: But I felt the way.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I'm enjoying your big dick.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it feels so good.
Speaker 4: All your dick is so big.
Speaker 2: I was like, they're not going to say it's like,
Speaker 2: oh man, you're big dick. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: the he's big.
Speaker 4: It's like okay, it's like, oh your big cock.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, he's the last one they didn't
Speaker 2: throw black. And they's like, oh my god, I'm just
Speaker 2: enjoying your big black cock. And I was like, there
Speaker 2: we go. Oh fucke. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I know, this is what it is like to be mad.
Speaker 2: I had to deal with it. I was upset and
Speaker 2: I talked to my therapist about it, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, to be mad at what someone's attracted
Speaker 2: to me about is what is I just have to
Speaker 2: own that. It's like if you're if you're a human,
Speaker 2: you have certain body parts, people are going to be
Speaker 2: attracted to those. I'm like, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it turn me off. I was like, fuck,
Speaker 2: did you keep going?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Man, it was work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we was on set shooting the scene. I
Speaker 2: was just like, wow, but here we are. And you know,
Speaker 2: to that point, it's always a sensitive very and I
Speaker 2: recognized that the only people in the world that will
Speaker 2: always be protected and can cry wolf at any point
Speaker 2: in time are, though that particular, white women. So it's
Speaker 2: a it's a space that I, you know, somatically am
Speaker 2: like am I safer? Which is just real, like imant
Speaker 2: telling all the black men that that died from the
Speaker 2: South are a real thing. And even though we're past
Speaker 2: that point, technically, that's still a real thing.
Speaker 1: What is the after kid for you after something like that? Like,
Speaker 1: what do you do for yourself? You know, you do scenes,
Speaker 1: you fetishize, you service a lot of people. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say at the party, man, you was highly sought after.
Speaker 1: Is there time a sense of decompression that you need
Speaker 1: to go through? Like what do you do after something
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 2: So to be directing, to be very candid, it's a
Speaker 2: couple of things. The irony or the serendipity of this
Speaker 2: is so full circle funny to me. So four years
Speaker 2: ago I went.
Speaker 1: To that's the biggest snort I've ever heard in these headphones.
Speaker 4: That's why you are headphone, So everything is magnified.
Speaker 2: Four years ago, I went to a conference name called
Speaker 2: Sextown like this season are wearing Sex down South. I
Speaker 2: met my teacher, Amina Peterson, and she gave me a
Speaker 2: lot of items on what I need to do for myself.
Speaker 2: I went to the school Consent for Wheeler Consent doctor
Speaker 2: Betty Martin. I took tick Trauma Informed Consensual Kink, and
Speaker 2: then I took authentic consent from Amina Peterson. And what
Speaker 2: I learned from those courses helped me learn to take
Speaker 2: what I need for myself. So after care for me
Speaker 2: is actually knowing what I want and asking for and
Speaker 2: getting it. So whether it's hugs, water, juice, drink, I
Speaker 2: require a day of solitude. I go to the spa.
Speaker 2: I take myself to eat like dungeness crabs and very
Speaker 2: specific things. So I give myself. I indulge myself in
Speaker 2: all of my vices, if you will, and that recharges
Speaker 2: me because when I am working, regardless of the situation,
Speaker 2: I am fully open to the persons that I'm working with,
Speaker 2: whatever their desire is.
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about it. I'm gonna try my
Speaker 4: best to fulfill it.
Speaker 2: So I got dealt with the different people I dealt
Speaker 2: with through this weekend. I was with the young lady
Speaker 2: that I'm dating, and I told her. I was like,
Speaker 2: because I came up. I flew from Atlanta and I
Speaker 2: been staying with her for all week, but we haven't
Speaker 2: done anything. We just been chilling and I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: I really really want to do these things. I said
Speaker 2: with met bussy, like porn blank, and she was like shows.
Speaker 2: After the consented speech, we dipped upstairs. We had, we had,
Speaker 2: we did what we did, and we came back downstairs
Speaker 2: and she was like, I want to go again. So
Speaker 2: she got two rounds and then that's when I was like, shit,
Speaker 2: I'm tired.
Speaker 4: I'm about to go leave.
Speaker 2: I come upstairs and then you're like hey, and then
Speaker 2: I see the basketball team. So we go back DOWNSTAIRSS
Speaker 2: five on one and then I handle business and then
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'm ready to go. I got
Speaker 2: into uber, I went back home and showered and fucking
Speaker 2: went to sleep, and then yesterday I spent the day
Speaker 2: in solitude. But I trained my body for this because
Speaker 2: Amana Peterson told me, you have to treat sex like
Speaker 2: the Olympics. And I was like, what the fuck does
Speaker 2: that mean? And she was like athletes trained every day
Speaker 2: for one event. They put everything into it every day
Speaker 2: for one event. And so I started looking at why
Speaker 2: men have, you know, issues with sex and.
Speaker 4: Like weak pelvic floor.
Speaker 5: This.
Speaker 2: So I literally go to the gym and I work
Speaker 2: on all the muscles that take you to get maintain erection,
Speaker 2: my heart, my physical Like I run, I do a
Speaker 2: one minute, I do on a mile and nine minutes
Speaker 2: to make sure that my heart is healthy, that I
Speaker 2: can breathe, like all those things. I got to make
Speaker 2: sure my hip flexes aren't tight because I ejaculated five
Speaker 2: times that night at the party, and I had six
Speaker 2: more than five times, but I had five ejaculatory experiences.
Speaker 2: And so it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of work, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: But because I treated like the Olympics, and I control
Speaker 2: my time in my day, I have the time to
Speaker 2: relax and go to the spa, and when I fly
Speaker 2: back to Atlanta, I'm gonna take two days and chill.
Speaker 2: So I have the ability to do those things. But
Speaker 2: can you worth it?
Speaker 1: Can you control when you ejaculate?
Speaker 2: Sometimes yes, the irony is when I'm concerned about ejaculated
Speaker 2: and I won't if I don't think about it's like,
Speaker 2: damn it, that's when you do this. So it really depends.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, what I've learned about coitus
Speaker 2: with volva owners, penetration is not the pend ultimate pleasure.
Speaker 2: So as long as you stay engaged, how long you
Speaker 2: last or don't last, it doesn't really matter. When they
Speaker 2: get their desired outcome right, they want to have mo orgasm,
Speaker 2: so it works out.
Speaker 1: You called yourself a whole. Ye, what is the meaning
Speaker 1: of w to you? You like that? You like that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: It In short, it means two things. So I'm a thought,
Speaker 2: which means I'm an ethic I ethically have fun with people.
Speaker 2: So that means I'm not gonna lie about who I'm
Speaker 2: having fun with and how and what configuration. So that's
Speaker 2: one way of being a whole. Another way is you know.
Speaker 1: So you just fuck people as much as you want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's not like that's ethical.
Speaker 1: Home Now you said it. You said it in black person,
Speaker 1: and tell you I said it in negro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I have sex with whomever I want,
Speaker 2: but I don't lie about it. The other side about
Speaker 2: being a whole is like you know, if there's something
Speaker 2: that you need or want, Like I ho in a
Speaker 2: way a lot of my clients. I go to the
Speaker 2: house and I clean like I clean, I put I
Speaker 2: put together the ika frontiture. One lady in underwear, another
Speaker 2: lady just like we just clean butt naked. So I
Speaker 2: do nude housemaid service. One lady, I wash her dishes,
Speaker 2: fold and dry, wash, dry and fold her clothes.
Speaker 4: Another lady.
Speaker 2: I literally I feed her cat. So haween is showing
Speaker 2: up in a way that people want to need. That's
Speaker 2: what I would call it. You feed her cat naked,
Speaker 2: feed the cat, change the little show.
Speaker 1: You show up, take my clothes off, you take off
Speaker 1: your clothes, you go get a box of kiddy food,
Speaker 1: and you bend over and feed the cat. Is she
Speaker 1: standing there, She's sitting there.
Speaker 2: Sometimes she's in the living room, Sometimes she's in her bread.
Speaker 2: I feed her cat. I make her tea like I
Speaker 2: don't talk to her. Like she has very specific instructions.
Speaker 2: I come in, I feed, I take off my clothes.
Speaker 2: I feed the cat. I make her her favorite tea.
Speaker 2: I set it on the table. I ring the bell
Speaker 2: when it's done. And then I get after I do
Speaker 2: all my chores, I get dressed, and she doesn't want
Speaker 2: me to say anything.
Speaker 4: So everyone has a different thing they want.
Speaker 1: You go to somebody's house, you get undressed and you clean.
Speaker 1: They crib butt ass naked and that's all they want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: does it ever, because I've seen these poems. No, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: what the men. I've seen it with the women do it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes there's other things. But when I tell you,
Speaker 2: like one lady, she specifically wanted me to whisper in
Speaker 2: her ear as I gave her a massage fully button neck,
Speaker 2: and that's all she wanted. And so because a lot
Speaker 2: of times what you have to remember is we that
Speaker 2: own the penis will be in a relationship and sometimes
Speaker 2: the actual coloring, the massage, and like, we always want
Speaker 2: to get something in return. So there's a power that
Speaker 2: you feel when you can say do exactly this and
Speaker 2: you get exactly that and the person's happy to do it.
Speaker 2: So that's my type of homing. One lady literally we
Speaker 2: was at the party she was she took my leash.
Speaker 2: Her girlfriend said, give you your leash and then get
Speaker 2: on your knees in front of her, and that's all
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 4: Her girlfriend was so happy. She's like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: She was mad that she that she like made me
Speaker 2: do it in that configuration, but she was also happy
Speaker 2: and she had the best time. All I did was
Speaker 2: get on my knees for her and just didn't sit there,
Speaker 2: and she rubbed my head when she was happy.
Speaker 1: Is that puppy play?
Speaker 4: It's pet play?
Speaker 2: Pet play, yeah, because whatever animal they want you to
Speaker 2: be is That's why I'm not saying puppy play is
Speaker 2: more pet play, because that's what kind of animals.
Speaker 1: Can you be?
Speaker 2: I mean, I am a wolf, but I've been a dog,
Speaker 2: I've been a cow, I've been a horse. Like one
Speaker 2: lady rides me around her house. You like, I walk
Speaker 2: around and she gets on my back?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: I get on all fours?
Speaker 1: Do you do? You do? You?
Speaker 5: Nay?
Speaker 2: When you're in a pet mode, you don't use words.
Speaker 2: You can't talk, so I do whatever the horse does not.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't come here and not give me
Speaker 1: a name.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's look, it's fun though, yo. It's it's like,
Speaker 2: you got to understand how much fun this is. People
Speaker 2: are getting there having their best pleasure in their most
Speaker 2: authentic way, and and they're doing it in a sense
Speaker 2: of sovereignty and autonomy, and that's what makes it special
Speaker 2: for them.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yo, you know what. I love having fun?
Speaker 4: Bro, No, I can tell you're always a big kid.
Speaker 1: That's what sex is, bro, It's fun. That's what role
Speaker 1: playing is. That's what kink is fun. Like, we got
Speaker 1: enough stress in our regular lives. We got enough stress
Speaker 1: every more we wake up, you think about what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. You might got kids, you gotta work, you
Speaker 1: got responsibilities. Being able to be your true self, let
Speaker 1: all of that shit go and just express and be
Speaker 1: who the fuck you wouldn't be. That shit is fied bro. So,
Speaker 1: although I laugh, that's an experience. Like maybe people might
Speaker 1: not want to be black beauty as far as the
Speaker 1: horse right, or might not want to be whatever, but
Speaker 1: there are things that we all might do. They say, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I never thought I was gonna be get this off.
Speaker 1: I never thought I'd be free enough to you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to the fact that you're able to do.
Speaker 2: That service even like yes, so some of the things
Speaker 2: that they're saying in the chat, some of them felt good,
Speaker 2: just because they got what they asked for. They literally
Speaker 2: was like will you do this? And I was like
Speaker 2: sure with a smile, And so that's part of it.
Speaker 2: I feel bad for the dudes that stay fully dressed
Speaker 2: because like they missed all the action.
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of think that's my fault a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know. I say, let me tell you
Speaker 1: why we think about the themes. Well, let me get
Speaker 1: this so real quick and then you can tell me
Speaker 1: why it's not. The themes kind of should lead put
Speaker 1: you in the space of something sensuality the themes right,
Speaker 1: And I in my mind was like, maybe this sports
Speaker 1: theme wasn't something that would get people into that mind space,
Speaker 1: into that you know, sensual space. People was wearing their
Speaker 1: shorts and their jerseys. That's not necessarily the sexiest outfit, right,
Speaker 1: So at what point do they go from that? Especially
Speaker 1: as a novice, because you hido, people who do this,
Speaker 1: y'all ain't given fuck. Y'all came about your jersey, y'all
Speaker 1: got right to it. It is what it is. But
Speaker 1: people who are more novice or a middle you know,
Speaker 1: on on a play scale, might have needed to be
Speaker 1: physically in something to be able to become that character
Speaker 1: and me as the person who is the I guess
Speaker 1: they calling me the general manager. Now since I'm not
Speaker 1: the coach, I should have foresaw that and either gave
Speaker 1: instruction or make sure that the theme was something that
Speaker 1: it would have been easier for them to fall into that.
Speaker 2: But what are you thinking? So I can I agree
Speaker 2: with your sentiment. I understand what you're saying. The reason
Speaker 2: why I give you a little a little bit of pushback,
Speaker 2: and I'll offer this everyone who listens to this podcast,
Speaker 2: they see.
Speaker 4: The maturation from where you started to.
Speaker 2: Where you are.
Speaker 4: They hear how you speak.
Speaker 2: And they come to the party because they're looking for freedom.
Speaker 2: Freedom is something that we have to get permission to self.
Speaker 2: So you've done, You've laid the groundwork, You've given the
Speaker 2: safe container, all the different things that vetting formed the
Speaker 2: process that people have to go through. But people, especially
Speaker 2: black men, have to give permission to themselves because we're
Speaker 2: coming to a space where it's not like outside. The
Speaker 2: women are already halfnked or neckd and they they're they're
Speaker 2: not even aggressive.
Speaker 4: They're inviting all these things that in New York.
Speaker 2: You know, that's not what we're used to outside, especially
Speaker 2: yet like like women will up here, like you can
Speaker 2: get stab like saying to a woman like I'm not
Speaker 2: no no no, no, no, no, no funny shit. And
Speaker 2: it's because it's because of some of the shit that
Speaker 2: men have done. But this is a violent place. So
Speaker 2: now you got niggas coming into a party where they're like, oh, ship,
Speaker 2: I can actually look at you and and there's nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with that. I can I can say you're fine.
Speaker 2: And so that's something that every dude that I've ever
Speaker 2: talked to they have to overcome. So that's something it's
Speaker 2: not you, they have to overcome that all. I now
Speaker 2: it's okay to look at you. I was told one dude,
Speaker 2: I said you can stare. He was like yeah, but
Speaker 2: I said you can actually watch. He's like yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: like and outside, I know you used to like it's
Speaker 2: like outside like yeah, nigga, don't like that's too much,
Speaker 2: like like you're being a creep now. And so a
Speaker 2: lot of dudes have to unlearn that where unlearning that
Speaker 2: in this space, the woman has consented, she took her
Speaker 2: clothes off willingly. It's a room full of people doing
Speaker 2: these things. They're okay with you watching and it's like
Speaker 2: dudes have to adjust to that and like unlearned some
Speaker 2: of the things that you know, we have have learned
Speaker 2: on the outside. And when I talk to some of
Speaker 2: the dudes, they had a good time and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: like this is my first time. It was like I
Speaker 2: an't really think it's gonna be like this. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck did you think it was gonna be like?
Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, it's actually cool. So over time,
Speaker 2: the people that have come over time have gotten more interesting,
Speaker 2: even the women, So everybody is more open exactly. So
Speaker 2: it's it's that is what you said, but you've already
Speaker 2: done that. Then it's and the other part the people
Speaker 2: that participate in the discord. Those dudes don't have those issues, right,
Speaker 2: so it's a lot of different things. They have to
Speaker 2: come out more and thann they'll feel more comfortable. But
Speaker 2: it's a it's a good space.
Speaker 1: I found myself in a weird had space right before
Speaker 1: before the party. I had a little disagreement with somebody
Speaker 1: close to me, not my lady, but just something that
Speaker 1: just threw off my energy, right, and so I'm coming
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get in the character my lady I
Speaker 1: didn't express what happened to her because I didn't want
Speaker 1: to throw her off or you know, I just kept
Speaker 1: doing what I was doing. I'm in CHARACTERM doing what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. As it got time to play, I felt
Speaker 1: the expectation for me to want to perform, but my
Speaker 1: mom wasn't in it. My mom was still somewhere. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm emotional, bro whatever, my mom wasn't in it. And
Speaker 1: do you ever feel as a man expected to perform
Speaker 1: and not want to? Because you you did five had
Speaker 1: five ejaculatory experiences? What you called them? I just said,
Speaker 1: I not five times, but you you used like seven syllables,
Speaker 1: but you had five ejaculatory experiences. Have you ever felt like, Jim,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to be here right now.
Speaker 4: I know you know the answer is yes.
Speaker 2: So there's this thing that you create, like I reckoned
Speaker 2: as I've put out into the world, and it has
Speaker 2: actually been an achilles hill in my personal relationships. Like
Speaker 2: when my ex she says something to me and it
Speaker 2: was so profound and now looking back at it, I'm
Speaker 2: like shit. She was like, I've seen you have sex
Speaker 2: hundreds of times, Like I know that you can put
Speaker 2: yourself into it, and she was commenting on like sometimes
Speaker 2: I would like come home and like give her like
Speaker 2: the B side sex. But at work, you know, you
Speaker 2: can see niggas getting the A game, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: there's there's a a feeling in my body sematically around that.
Speaker 2: And it's sometimes I'm like I don't want to I
Speaker 2: don't want to do anything, but it's like, no, they
Speaker 2: want to see the Niga trumpeter. They don't want to
Speaker 2: see Eli. I'm like, Nigga, I don't want to do nothing,
Speaker 2: but I wrestle with that, and you know, you adjust
Speaker 2: accordingly because then even in the world, there's expectations that
Speaker 2: you have as a father that you have as a
Speaker 2: like every time you put a label on something, that's
Speaker 2: an expectation when you're relating to someone. So those expectations
Speaker 2: they play out in the real world because people that
Speaker 2: are fans of mind see the neck a trumpeter, and
Speaker 2: then my partners are like, Nigga, I saw that video,
Speaker 2: why am I getting this bullshit? Or or they could
Speaker 2: tell like one of my partners that did a live
Speaker 2: porn saying everybody had their phones out there recording it
Speaker 2: and she was like, you've had sex with me, like
Speaker 2: that in a long time.
Speaker 4: Like, so, yeah, it can be. It can be performance
Speaker 4: and anxiety.
Speaker 2: It can be a lot, but it's compounded for me
Speaker 2: by it because of what I do for work.
Speaker 4: So yeah, right.
Speaker 1: Can how do men say no to women without hurting
Speaker 1: their feelings or feeling themselves like they're being a little bitchy?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because throughout the night she
Speaker 1: was coaxing me and I didn't want to say no,
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of like, I ain't in the mood,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying, and she actually did turn my mood around.
Speaker 1: It actually worked over time, but shit, I would think
Speaker 1: it took about two hours.
Speaker 2: I think that it varies from person to person. But
Speaker 2: in your case, like she knows you, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: she picked up on that, but she didn't care, and
Speaker 2: that's why she continued to do what she did.
Speaker 4: It's just the way I mean, I know your girl.
Speaker 2: I know she was because I saw her, Like when
Speaker 2: I was leaving, y'all were in the room and I
Speaker 2: saw her talking to you and you was just like
Speaker 2: you on the bed like this, and if she said
Speaker 2: something and you just like put your head back, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I like, but that's my earlier. I
Speaker 2: was talking about we stow my electro play. She was excited,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know you were going through that. But
Speaker 2: part of it is when you the person knows you,
Speaker 2: they don't always have to say something that's going to
Speaker 2: keep being themselves. They stay consistent and gentle, and also
Speaker 2: I think that being honest. Like there are times when
Speaker 2: I'm in Atlanta one of my lad m Dayton, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to do anything, and I don't push upon her,
Speaker 2: I don't make any moves. I just but I'm there
Speaker 2: and I let her know I'm not in the space
Speaker 2: to connect in that way. I just want to talk,
Speaker 2: you know, because then they recognize they can hold space
Speaker 2: for me. But we got to be vulnerable with our
Speaker 2: volva owning people and let them know that we are
Speaker 2: just as emotion as they are and give them the
Speaker 2: chance to show up for us and hold space in
Speaker 2: the same way we asks of them. Right, because it's
Speaker 2: disingagmous when you don't tell them or you yeah, try
Speaker 2: to feel that way because they want to. It's a
Speaker 2: relating requires us to have trust, communication, power, control, safety
Speaker 2: and community safety and security, and not communicating can affect
Speaker 2: any of those things. I had an issue where I
Speaker 2: had an emergency come up. Instead of me calling or
Speaker 2: sending a message to the person I was supposed to
Speaker 2: see at eight thirty, I kept handling in an emergency
Speaker 2: and she was like, I know that about you. I
Speaker 2: know that you love me. I know that you want
Speaker 2: me to be happy, and also I know that if
Speaker 2: something come up, you're gonna focus on that and you're not.
Speaker 4: Going to multitask well.
Speaker 2: So she was like, I'm disappointed in that, but I
Speaker 2: do know you, so I'm not mad. I'm just a
Speaker 2: little hurt. I wish I wanted to see you at
Speaker 2: this time because I know you're about to leave the
Speaker 2: next day. So not communicating what we are going through
Speaker 2: can be problematic. When we could just say, hey, i'm
Speaker 2: a little off. We don't have to divulge, but at
Speaker 2: least they know and they can hold space for instead
Speaker 2: of saying, because the opposite is can be true why
Speaker 2: this nigga ain't let me touch and why he acting
Speaker 2: all weird, and then they could take it, and you
Speaker 2: know that's when they can internalize it. It can be harmful.
Speaker 2: So I think it's better to be upfront, even if
Speaker 2: you don't say all this. Hey, baby had a little
Speaker 2: rough day. I'm still here with you. But if I'm
Speaker 2: a little not present, just no, I'm going through something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have communicated better. I'm glad that it
Speaker 1: turned out better throughout the night, but you're right, I
Speaker 1: could have prepared her for those feelings better. I gotta
Speaker 1: work on that. You keep mentioning Atlanta? Did you? Why
Speaker 1: are you in Atlanta so much?
Speaker 2: So I lied to this person that I'm dating and
Speaker 2: I told her I didn't move to Atlanta for her,
Speaker 2: which is not the truth.
Speaker 1: I did move.
Speaker 2: I moved to Onlant for two reasons. One because I was
Speaker 2: getting away from DC, but I was like, where the
Speaker 2: fuck am I going to go? And then I work
Speaker 2: in Atlanta a lot. And then so because she is there,
Speaker 2: that's why I'm there now. But Atlanta's dope. So I
Speaker 2: keep mentioning Atlanta because that's why my heart is in
Speaker 2: this moment. So that's why I keep bringing it up.
Speaker 1: Fine, fire, do you have multiples? Is it one? No?
Speaker 1: I know that you am I doing too much? No?
Speaker 4: No, No, I just won't name names.
Speaker 2: So I have three people. Let me let me back up. Okay,
Speaker 2: I can go to the nickname I can, I can
Speaker 2: delete this. No no, no no. I got Sweet Potato, I
Speaker 2: got MJ, I got Goddess Q. And then the other
Speaker 2: person they just start We've known each other for like
Speaker 2: of each other for three years, but they just like
Speaker 2: started flirting with me. So I have four people in
Speaker 2: Atlanta that have my attention. Two people we have a
Speaker 2: loose agreement and then we're working out the other I'm
Speaker 2: working out the other details.
Speaker 4: But then in d C, I have my.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I say that to people right home talking
Speaker 2: about I have someone that I just like, I'm relating
Speaker 2: to that lives in d C and we've been in
Speaker 2: connection for five years. So I have like four people
Speaker 2: that I am closely relating to, one in d C,
Speaker 2: two in Atlanta, and then two other people I'm figuring
Speaker 2: out the configuration in Atlanta. So my travel is attached
Speaker 2: to my connections as much as my work.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about what we have to do
Speaker 1: in Atlanta for a second, right, But first I want
Speaker 1: to ask the question, and I don't know what the
Speaker 1: answer is. Seriously, I'm not not leading towards anything. I'm
Speaker 1: genuinely curious as a pan sexual person who is poly right,
Speaker 1: PolyAm polyamorous. Yeah, have you ever dealt with a monogamous person?
Speaker 2: So yes, it's mhmm. So my long time my life
Speaker 2: partner was monogamous, but now they're not. And we were
Speaker 2: monogamous for a while and then we opened up our connection.
Speaker 2: But I have dated other people that they're like, they're
Speaker 2: okay with how I connect. They're not like restricting me
Speaker 2: connecting with other people, but they're like, I'm only going
Speaker 2: to date you.
Speaker 4: That's that's their choice, right, But.
Speaker 2: As long as they don't, you know, try to put
Speaker 2: a leash on me and say what I can't do?
Speaker 4: I don't mind how.
Speaker 1: People connect or not right? Right?
Speaker 2: Have you ever had that? Yeah? I had people try
Speaker 2: to put a leashes on I had a partner who
Speaker 2: was not monogamous try to put a leash on me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, we don't do that. They
Speaker 2: they they had all these rules that they call boundaries
Speaker 2: around who I could and could not talk to, and
Speaker 2: some of these people weren't even their friends. It was
Speaker 2: just like it was an exhaustive list of how I
Speaker 2: had to move and I was like, I don't feel
Speaker 2: comfortable in that. So we disconnected last year mm, because
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't I don't restrict anyone's behavior. Well
Speaker 2: whatever we agree to. So like with all the people
Speaker 2: that I am intimate with, I share my results everywhere
Speaker 2: every time I get tested. Here you go, you can
Speaker 2: have them because it doesn't matter how we connect. We're
Speaker 2: doing something where we're skin and skin in some way,
Speaker 2: So you should know my status. I shouldn't hide it
Speaker 2: from you, and I asked the same of them. Beyond that,
Speaker 2: who you deal with is your business, but we shouldn't
Speaker 2: have we shouldn't lie about our results or you know,
Speaker 2: certain things that we've agreed upon.
Speaker 1: If if we're both open, I find myself having an
Speaker 1: issue with somebody, you don't think I should be able
Speaker 1: to tell you, Hey, that would make me feel weird
Speaker 1: if you mess with that person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's called like a messy list.
Speaker 2: So like, yes, I wouldn't date anybody's sister brother, like
Speaker 2: not knowingly, Like I'm not trying to date your cut
Speaker 2: like like your family members are off limits if I
Speaker 2: didn't know, and that's like that's like okay, we have
Speaker 2: to figure it out. But of like knowingly, there are
Speaker 2: certain people like your best friend, I'm not like we're friends,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't try to they mess with your fiancee, Like,
Speaker 2: I respect you that profoundly, and I also know that this
Speaker 2: is newer for you than it is for me. Right,
Speaker 2: So like I have some friends and like you can
Speaker 2: talk to my girl. They don't care. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: I know the boundaries for the people that I'm dealing with,
Speaker 2: and I respect the boundaries of our connection. So I
Speaker 2: have my own limits and then I can when I
Speaker 2: pay with people, we talk about a messy list, like
Speaker 2: who are you uncomfortable with me dealing with? Because some
Speaker 2: people don't think about that, but you it is a
Speaker 2: question that I think is neat.
Speaker 1: Do you respect people's messy lists even if you really
Speaker 1: wanted to mess with other persons? Like say, it's just like,
Speaker 1: say it's my my my ex co host, right, and
Speaker 1: I met you out, say I'm not in relationship and
Speaker 1: I met the girl out or whatever, and I'm telling
Speaker 1: my messy list and he's on the messy list. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I kind of really want to mess with him.
Speaker 1: Can I be offended by that?
Speaker 2: You can't be offended, And then you have to take
Speaker 2: stocking if you still want to be in connection with them,
Speaker 2: because that's really what it is. It matters, like messy
Speaker 2: lists are messy because there's like aught between or you
Speaker 2: recognize it would cause a problem. And it's not like
Speaker 2: I don't look at messy lists like jealousy or envy,
Speaker 2: like no, like this person is not going to steal
Speaker 2: you from me and they don't have something I want.
Speaker 2: It's just like, no, I don't fuck with them, and
Speaker 2: I would be hell uncomfortable if you did. And that's
Speaker 2: what it is to me. So yeah, such a valid concern. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's real shit.
Speaker 1: A messy list I've never heard of that, I've never
Speaker 1: thought of. I've never heard of it, but it makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a list of people that you like if you
Speaker 1: could have your fun, but these people would specifically make
Speaker 1: me feel a way.
Speaker 2: It was like that has like like let's say, I'm
Speaker 2: sure like some of your lifelong friends if they came
Speaker 2: to the party but they didn't know your fiance, like yeah,
Speaker 2: don't like not her? Yeah no, I'm sure you you'd
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, not not her.
Speaker 1: I got to take this course.
Speaker 2: We were we uh, we were talking about Atlanta and
Speaker 2: then my.
Speaker 1: Loves right, we you seem very knowledgeable. You seem very
Speaker 1: experienced informed. What how have you gotten to that place
Speaker 1: within this this kink space that just you seem very grounded.
Speaker 4: Some of it is my mother.
Speaker 2: All the things that I'm doing within the world of
Speaker 2: kink I saw growing up in my household, so that
Speaker 2: part is not new to me. But then as I
Speaker 2: got older, it really was. It was my teachers. It's
Speaker 2: as much as I can say, it's just me, like
Speaker 2: I mean to Peterson, Betty Martin, they were really transformative
Speaker 2: Coach Feline.
Speaker 4: They helped me see.
Speaker 2: See the woman's perspective in a way that I couldn't
Speaker 2: without them Be and my teacher, so that really helped talk.
Speaker 2: I still talked about Mom about different things, and she
Speaker 2: she's the one to say, put the trumpet on the volver,
Speaker 2: Like we talk about how to approach women, and my mom.
Speaker 1: Your mother told her, told you I.
Speaker 4: Should put the trumpet on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom, because we talk about what I do
Speaker 2: and we talk about like she she talks about her
Speaker 2: trauma with men. So I'm I've been informed and it's
Speaker 2: helped me move differently with women, thinking about their their
Speaker 2: their trauma and how and why and understanding that women
Speaker 2: fond and they'll say yes to things they really don't
Speaker 2: want to do because they've been socialized too, and so
Speaker 2: it helped me see what those things could look like
Speaker 2: and ask different questions. And so in my personal life,
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm friends with the people before I
Speaker 2: started dating them is because I need to feel safe
Speaker 2: with them. I want them to feel safe with me.
Speaker 2: And it's not just predicated on sex. And a lot
Speaker 2: of that has come from, you know, having women to
Speaker 2: be my teacher and like ask profoundly unique questions that
Speaker 2: are that caused me to think about my actions. I'll
Speaker 2: only deal with therapists that are women. It's really important
Speaker 2: to have their perspective on some of the things that
Speaker 2: I'm doing or any action that I've taken. And that's
Speaker 2: what's really would help me to be more grounded because
Speaker 2: I think women came first and we came out of
Speaker 2: them instead of when we came first and then they
Speaker 2: came out, they changed it around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, misogyny strikes again. So patriarchy strikes again. Where they
Speaker 1: saying that the Adam was first, you think it was first.
Speaker 2: The evidence would make no sense that the man would
Speaker 2: come first. That's not how it would work. It just biologically,
Speaker 2: if the creation story is correct, the woman should have
Speaker 2: been the first thing and then birth. The man man
Speaker 2: is not missing the rib like all of those things
Speaker 2: make no, it's just it's a wild thing.
Speaker 1: I personally think I've never considered what you're saying. But
Speaker 1: I think if we are in his form, or the
Speaker 1: creator's form, he made a mistake, just like we do,
Speaker 1: and he made men and he was like, this is fucked.
Speaker 1: Hold on, give me a second, and he went and
Speaker 1: redesigned it to add women and just made them two
Speaker 1: point Oh.
Speaker 2: The funny thing about that if in one certain stories
Speaker 2: Lilith came first, Adam didn't come first. It was Lilith Adam.
Speaker 2: Lilith is the woman that Adam wouldn't submit to Adam
Speaker 2: so he had they had to make Eve out of Adam.
Speaker 4: So it's still she did what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, he's not my type.
Speaker 2: Lilith was like, so that she ended up being in
Speaker 2: some folklore, Lolith is a wife of Satan. It's a
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. Any any creation story
Speaker 2: that puts women as the cause of the fall of
Speaker 2: mankind and then denigrates them as not a belief that
Speaker 2: I want to believe me, because it's misogynistic in trade
Speaker 2: to say, like, God didn't do anything until Eve bit
Speaker 2: the apple.
Speaker 4: Then she gives to Adam.
Speaker 2: Then he's like all these all these weird constrive things.
Speaker 2: Then he magnifies her pain of birth.
Speaker 1: Got somebody in your throats to huh, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't identify with those things. And listening to
Speaker 2: women that have them be my teacher has helped me
Speaker 2: be more grounded because we don't understand the perspective of
Speaker 2: how they live. All we can see is our plight.
Speaker 2: So having listening to like Adrian Marie Brown and taking
Speaker 2: in more books around queer theory and decentralizing white masculinity
Speaker 2: in my life has been very helpful.
Speaker 1: Okay, you are weighing a sex down Self conference, and
Speaker 1: the only reason I am abruptly going to that is
Speaker 1: because that's really why we're here, right, and I want
Speaker 1: to give that conference the respect it deserves. I was
Speaker 1: at Exotica one year and one of the co founders here, Tya.
Speaker 1: I think I saw her right, I saw her there.
Speaker 1: She walked up to me and she just made me
Speaker 1: feel so welcome and so like she wanted me to
Speaker 1: be there. Or at least partake in the conference. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't really get out much, bro, I don't. I don't,
Speaker 1: But recently you called me to be a part of
Speaker 1: the Sex down South. You call us as hardest off
Speaker 1: to come be a part of the Sex down Self conference.
Speaker 1: I don't know much about it, and I also would
Speaker 1: like our listeners to know what is sex down Self.
Speaker 2: In short, Sex down South is a safe space that
Speaker 2: was created by two black women. So two black queer
Speaker 2: films created a conference about sexuality and wellness and health.
Speaker 2: And so think of it as like you go to
Speaker 2: school during the day, but at night you party just
Speaker 2: as hard as you go to school. And so over
Speaker 2: the years, they've like people that go there said we
Speaker 2: want to learn, but we want to have fun. So
Speaker 2: there's learn and an application of the things you learn.
Speaker 2: So let's say you're go there with your partner and
Speaker 2: y'all don't know anything about ethical non monogamy, you know
Speaker 2: anything about a play party. You can go there Thursday,
Speaker 2: take classes from different people. Some people are psychiatrist, psychologists, authors, doctors,
Speaker 2: all these things.
Speaker 4: You can learn all.
Speaker 2: About sexuality, learn about swinging, the lifestyle. And then on
Speaker 2: the last day, there'll be a play party, there's going
Speaker 2: to be a strip club, there's gonna be all these things,
Speaker 2: so you can learn about all these things about yourself
Speaker 2: and sexuality, and then actually there's someone that can take
Speaker 2: you through the process, you can explore. So in that way,
Speaker 2: it's really uniquely different from exotic or any other place.
Speaker 2: And then it's created by two black people, which is
Speaker 2: especially different. So it has a real it's like going
Speaker 2: to a family or union, but we all gonna talk
Speaker 2: about sex and nobody's worried about it, so you feel
Speaker 2: like you're at home, but we also going to have
Speaker 2: a great time. And this debauchery it's a place that
Speaker 2: you know, I learned a lot about myself. And so
Speaker 2: when people ask me why am I like this, I'm like,
Speaker 2: like I told you four years ago. I met a
Speaker 2: couple of teachers down there. I went to the conference
Speaker 2: and it was a great time for me. I met
Speaker 2: my tea your essex down South, know.
Speaker 1: You did it that at the one that you said,
Speaker 1: educated you so much about this? Wow.
Speaker 2: And then from meeting her, I met another teacher, doctor
Speaker 2: Betty Martin, and so it just I met so many
Speaker 2: people at the conference that professionally have helped me and
Speaker 2: so some of the work that I do now I
Speaker 2: work with therapists in different ways just because of this conference.
Speaker 2: So it's very expansive about sexuality in the self. It's
Speaker 2: just dope. And then this year, my company Black on
Speaker 2: Black Love, we're sponsoring a sex boat at the conference,
Speaker 2: and so that's going to help sex workers. So if
Speaker 2: you create content, if you are old school sex work,
Speaker 2: whatever however you fall into that realm, we're giving a
Speaker 2: stip into the people that are coming. That was supposed
Speaker 2: to be a surprise, but we're giving a stipe into
Speaker 2: the people that are coming to the concent creators that
Speaker 2: are coming to the sex bo We were we having
Speaker 2: a photo booth. We have photographers and videographers there so
Speaker 2: they can shoot content and no calls, and we are
Speaker 2: holding space for rooms and stuff. We're making it safe
Speaker 2: as possible. We're giving them access to tax plan and
Speaker 2: tax prep, retirement planning and saving so that they can
Speaker 2: take their earnings and you know, do something with it.
Speaker 1: As positive Jamina says, it's getting more and more interesting.
Speaker 1: She loves everyone that's coming this year. What are we
Speaker 1: to expect at Sex down South?
Speaker 2: So there's gonna be a show on Saturday called Big Bang,
Speaker 2: the Big Bank, Big Bang. So if you see me perform,
Speaker 2: y'all know I do a lot of crazy things, but
Speaker 2: this year I'll be doing things that no one has
Speaker 2: ever seen me do.
Speaker 4: So you have that. You have a strip club on Thursday,
Speaker 4: I'll be at the strip club, and then what else
Speaker 4: are we doing?
Speaker 2: And then on Saturday, there's gonna be a play party
Speaker 2: after the Big Bank. So it's all these things. You
Speaker 2: can learn, you can come, you can play. So there's
Speaker 2: play all three days and there's learning all three days,
Speaker 2: and it's just a it's gonna be black as fuck,
Speaker 2: so you can come out. You can be yourself. There's
Speaker 2: nudity allowed in the hotel where we're gonna be. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be a live podcast with Tahoe.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Now just live Pa Hove Paho. This is great. That
Speaker 1: was just what am I? What am I doing this?
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take you around and we're gonna go
Speaker 2: to different classes. We're gonna go to different workshops so
Speaker 2: you can get the full experience. Caveat So if you
Speaker 2: all do come and all the people that buy a ticket.
Speaker 2: We're shooting a live porn this year again. So on Thursday,
Speaker 2: I'll be shooting the scene and everybody be able to
Speaker 2: have their phone out of record no way, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be It's an MMF so to be two guys
Speaker 2: and one girl. That's gonna happen Thursday during the morning.
Speaker 2: We'll have the trailer up by Friday so people can watch. Well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go through classes, go through courses, you'll bitness,
Speaker 2: You're gonna basically you're gonna be shadow on me. You're
Speaker 2: gonna get to see some other people shoot porn like,
Speaker 2: you're gonna do all the different things.
Speaker 4: You'll be introduced to it.
Speaker 2: And then Saturday we'll do a podcast so we can
Speaker 2: talk about experience.
Speaker 1: This is nuts.
Speaker 4: No, it's gonna be dope, though.
Speaker 1: This is nuts video while I'm shadowing you because like
Speaker 1: in the port, like everything on their phone.
Speaker 4: Everywhere that there's a phone allowed, you can have your
Speaker 4: phone out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can bring my gimbal. Oh. This is
Speaker 1: gonna be fucking sick because.
Speaker 2: We want you because basically you got to think about it.
Speaker 2: You're a New York street niggas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, and.
Speaker 2: I mean not that like, it's real shit, And so
Speaker 2: this is what we want more and more dudes to
Speaker 2: come and see, like because as you see, as you've
Speaker 2: been going to the play parties that you've been throwing
Speaker 2: this maturation within yourself, you're more able to articulate your
Speaker 2: There's so many things that have changed about you from
Speaker 2: just being in a play space. So we're trying to
Speaker 2: show people that it's not just about sex. Sovereignty and
Speaker 2: autonomy is something as black people we don't always feel
Speaker 2: because you you alluded to. Damn sometimes I want to
Speaker 2: do it and I kind of I don't want to
Speaker 2: do it, But how do I say? You know, we're
Speaker 2: used to someone else having power and control.
Speaker 4: Of our bodies.
Speaker 2: But you know, because through through being there and the
Speaker 2: way we do the consent, everybody has the choice and
Speaker 2: they are autonomous and it feels differently. So that's something
Speaker 2: we want to we want to bring to people and
Speaker 2: I know you'll get that same feeling that I got
Speaker 2: because it's an eye opener to see so many different
Speaker 2: people living in their truth and you can ask questions,
Speaker 2: you can understand, like why you like certain things. You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's why I like that shit. Okay, that's dope. That's
Speaker 2: why my girl is saying this. That's what this ship
Speaker 2: means because there are things that we just don't know
Speaker 2: until we know.
Speaker 4: And for me, it was like what in the fuck?
Speaker 2: And so I want as many people to ga have
Speaker 2: that experience as possible so they can like change their
Speaker 2: life in.
Speaker 4: A better way.
Speaker 1: You said this was started by two black women Tiya and.
Speaker 2: So Tim Marie and then Martha Stewart Marla Stewart, Marla
Speaker 2: Stewart Stewart and then.
Speaker 1: Are they both going to be there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do I interview them as well?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Oh so I can find out what got them into
Speaker 1: this space, how much they portrayed in the space, like
Speaker 1: where they started versus where they are now? And will
Speaker 1: that be live?
Speaker 4: We can do a lot more recorded.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be be both because there'll be
Speaker 2: people watching, but it'll be recorded.
Speaker 1: It'll be recorded also, and then I can release it here. Okay, dope.
Speaker 1: So if you aren't able to make it, which I
Speaker 1: hope you can. You hope you do, you will still
Speaker 1: be able to hear it on the Heart Store stream. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a hard soci show. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: fucking great. Are there classes that people can sit and do?
Speaker 1: Do you know any of them?
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: The people will be teaching classes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what what is the class? What do you
Speaker 1: know any of them? Offhand? I know I didn't ask
Speaker 1: you for this.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, So I know some of the base. I
Speaker 2: can give you the basic just so we're always gonna
Speaker 2: explore sexuality. Were always gonna talk about kink, why you
Speaker 2: like it, What kinks are They're gonna be So there's
Speaker 2: a dungeon space. There'll be people that can take you
Speaker 2: if you've never been in the dungeon space. The people
Speaker 2: that can show you how to use the equipment, what
Speaker 2: equipment is the safe way to do the different things.
Speaker 2: So there are demos for there's there was a pegging class.
Speaker 4: There was there a pet How do you do?
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 2: So the pegging class is for the top end the bottom.
Speaker 2: So people that want to be you have to know
Speaker 2: how to clean out. There's all these things. So when
Speaker 2: you don't know, you feel like I don't want to
Speaker 2: do it. So there's classes that teach you from from
Speaker 2: A to Z all the things you got to do
Speaker 2: at the bottom. As the top it's like how to
Speaker 2: buy a deal though. There's so many things that we
Speaker 2: don't know that we think we know, and then when
Speaker 2: you get to the store and you like the deal doo,
Speaker 2: it feels like shit. Like a lot of women don't
Speaker 2: like them. But they have this. They have a double
Speaker 2: a double dipped, plashed like silicone thing that feels like
Speaker 2: the real thing.
Speaker 4: But if you don't know it exists, you wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: So they teach you how to buy dial thos, what
Speaker 2: chemicals are not safe for your body. It's a lot
Speaker 2: of things, like some women are giving themselves BV through
Speaker 2: their fucking loobe. So it's like a lot of those
Speaker 2: things will be taught down there. Like there's people selling
Speaker 2: the better loobs, different things, and it's just like, uh,
Speaker 2: it's like when you buy some bootlegs, you think it's
Speaker 2: the best and you find out I should just pay
Speaker 2: the extra hundred dollars. It's like all those different things,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of sex toys you can try,
Speaker 2: so it's I think, think of a Walmart of sex.
Speaker 1: And kink and can't Yeah, what was it gonna ask you?
Speaker 1: Are they going to be the vendors everything? How many
Speaker 1: can you. First of all, can you still be a vendor?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it still open?
Speaker 2: If you're trying to vent I think we can make
Speaker 2: that happen, but I don't. I think the vending application
Speaker 2: may be closed.
Speaker 1: I can check. Okay, Well, no, I'm not. I was
Speaker 1: just trying to see I'm here for everybody. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Somebody like, yo, I want to be there.
Speaker 1: The didn't know what's coming because I've never know whitty
Speaker 1: y'all promote that. Do y'all get you know you've lost
Speaker 1: a million pages, you've lost I don't, yo, I don't.
Speaker 1: Even trying to stay on Eli's line is hard because
Speaker 1: Instagram be on your ass. They literally be like, oh
Speaker 1: that's him, all right, he's out of here, He's out
Speaker 1: of here, and you always go viral, but then they
Speaker 1: come and take your ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so interesting does.
Speaker 1: Sex down South being as sex is in the name.
Speaker 2: So their at their Instagram is just SDS con to
Speaker 2: that point, But it does make it hard to advertise
Speaker 2: in traditional spaces when your your name is sex, even
Speaker 2: if it's helpful, like their website is Sex down South,
Speaker 2: So it makes it hard to be on the billboard.
Speaker 4: And things of that nature. So a lot of it's
Speaker 4: just word of mouth.
Speaker 2: It really is Instagram, uh, Facebook, Twitter, and that's just
Speaker 2: like people passing it around.
Speaker 4: That's how most things in our community get started.
Speaker 1: Really right, word of mouth. Right, it's still it's still
Speaker 1: a railroad at some point. We still got to do
Speaker 1: the underground railroad at some point because the powers that
Speaker 1: be try to, I mean, hut you down.
Speaker 2: The list of words that you can no longer say
Speaker 2: in the metaverse.
Speaker 1: Is not it's crazy, it's nuts. It is.
Speaker 4: It changes.
Speaker 2: So now you can't use the egg plant emoji. You
Speaker 2: can't use because the emojis that even signify.
Speaker 1: Sex or are there are you can't use it.
Speaker 2: You're not if you use the egg planetmoje, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be shuttle band I promise, I promise you. Water cat
Speaker 2: is because they're keeping up with the langueb right, and
Speaker 2: it is always evolving, but it's it's wild.
Speaker 1: Right. Where do we see sex down South? So? Wait,
Speaker 1: the Instagram or social media? Where are they on social media?
Speaker 2: So on Instagram is sds co o n so sds
Speaker 2: CON On Twitter is sex down South atl. I think
Speaker 2: Facebook is the same thing as sds CON and their
Speaker 2: website is Sex down South dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay dot com, and you can go to the website
Speaker 1: and you can sign up. They'll buy tickets or whatever
Speaker 1: on the website. Okay, Well, there's still a couple of
Speaker 1: things I want to ask you. I think I have
Speaker 1: you for two more minutes. Where does Sex down South
Speaker 1: go from here? What is it? What is the goal
Speaker 1: at the end? Is it staying in atl Do they travel?
Speaker 1: You know Exotica does, like all of these different states.
Speaker 1: Are they trying to do that in a black form?
Speaker 2: So yes, Sex down South has been in Houston. We're
Speaker 2: going to be up here in New York at some point.
Speaker 1: Oh, so it's already trying to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're trying to, Like it's gonna be a pop up.
Speaker 2: It'll be a small pop up. We're gonna do New York.
Speaker 2: We did Houston. Someone is trying to get us in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: and I know we're supposed to do DC in Philly.
Speaker 2: But they'll just be pop ups. They won't be a
Speaker 2: three day event. We'll be like a one day workshop.
Speaker 2: But I know that in the works.
Speaker 1: Right, how did you get involved with Sex down self?
Speaker 1: And like, what is your role now?
Speaker 4: So that actually I don't work for Sex down South.
Speaker 2: I am working with them because we have similar goals
Speaker 2: and because they help sex workers.
Speaker 4: What I did is this year, I.
Speaker 2: Think i've donated so far, I've given around three thousand
Speaker 2: and I played another So I played about six thousand
Speaker 2: dollars of my own money to Sex down South to
Speaker 2: help them, you know, fill their mission. Because they help
Speaker 2: sex workers. They helped me when I first went there.
Speaker 2: They like, come onto the conference, they allowed me to come,
Speaker 2: they put me in classes.
Speaker 4: I met a lot of people there. So they help
Speaker 4: people that are doing the work.
Speaker 2: Whether you call yourself a content creator, they help you
Speaker 2: get the resources you need so that you can legitimize
Speaker 2: what you're doing and be on.
Speaker 4: The right side of the law if you will.
Speaker 2: So for all the people that are sex workers that
Speaker 2: I want to understand more about sexuality, it's a safe
Speaker 2: space to learn and grow.
Speaker 4: And so that's how I got there.
Speaker 2: And so what I did is I partner with them
Speaker 2: this year to give money to them, and I'm also
Speaker 2: doing fundraising for them.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I believe in.
Speaker 2: Their mission and what they're doing, so I decided to
Speaker 2: help them with money and also my support in any
Speaker 2: way that I can.
Speaker 1: That's really dope. I want to know how I can help.
Speaker 2: You being there like this right now we're doing the
Speaker 2: segment you're gonna come. That is a big help. Your
Speaker 2: presence and then talking about your experience. So you may
Speaker 2: not recognize the footprint that you have, but a lot
Speaker 2: of people men, especially because you know, real real niggas
Speaker 2: respect for real niggas.
Speaker 4: This is just nigga shit. They respect you and they hear.
Speaker 2: How you like one nigga you podcast, you said, what's
Speaker 2: the worst show this motherfucker said? Nigga said, sucks a
Speaker 2: little dick.
Speaker 4: He was like you talking about Eli.
Speaker 2: Because you have this open reaction around people being themselves,
Speaker 2: it gives a lot of niggas pause and that's real shit,
Speaker 2: Like that is actually something I can tangribly say that
Speaker 2: it's happening.
Speaker 4: When I would say, have you seen the harder stung? Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the niggata o crazy, but I fuck I respect them.
Speaker 2: So a lot of you are doing a work in
Speaker 2: your own way, and so having more people like you
Speaker 2: come and experiencing and talking about it, that's a big help.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're doing all you you You have done
Speaker 2: everything that I've asked you to do in conjunction with this,
Speaker 2: So I'm satisfied.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I could do more, and I'll try
Speaker 1: to do more. I love what I do. I love
Speaker 1: our life, you know what I'm saying. I love where
Speaker 1: I am now. I love the journey that I've been on,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: where it takes me. What are the dates of Sex Down.
Speaker 4: South September fourth, fifth and sixth.
Speaker 1: September fourth, fifth, and six If you are out there,
Speaker 1: join me in Atlanta at Sex Down South September, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth and sixth. And also, what is your new Instagram?
Speaker 2: Eli Daniel seven eleven?
Speaker 1: No dot, no nothing, no doubt, no nothing, Eli Daniel
Speaker 1: seven eleven. Right. Has anybody ever asked you to play
Speaker 1: a specific song on nave Ova?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Anytime any plays Happy Birthday, ROBERTA. Flack, a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of different things. But on my Instagram, I'm only
Speaker 2: doing music. If you want to hear porn, go to Twitter.
Speaker 2: On Instagram, I only do music. I'm not doing anything
Speaker 2: sex related. Yeah, niggas can't even tag me that I
Speaker 2: work with them if they are sex worker. I don't
Speaker 2: even do.
Speaker 1: That thank you so much on here. This is a
Speaker 1: great episode. By the way, I don't even think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put I was gonna do this as a short.
Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna release this as it. Do it,
Speaker 1: Iel what I'm saying, because this has been such an
Speaker 1: amazing moment. We will see you in Atlanta the fourth,
Speaker 1: September fourth, September fifth, and September sixth. Sex, Love, Relationships
Speaker 1: and Accountability. This is the hardest so show with the
Speaker 1: naked trumpeter.
Speaker 2: Eli did Yes, thank you man, I appreciate your brother show.
Speaker 2: Are you still adjusting your breast?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I have to do.
Speaker 1: You have that problem a lot.
Speaker 5: Like oh women have of titties women.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if it's like you're not used to
Speaker 1: by now?
Speaker 5: No, I mean I am, but like you know, like.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're mad at the right one, like
Speaker 1: you or mad at the left one, but you mad at.
Speaker 5: One of them. This one's bigger.
Speaker 1: Left the left one, So do you like it bigger or.
Speaker 5: Like if this bitch could cooperate, So.
Speaker 1: You're mad at the right one for not being as
Speaker 1: big right?
Speaker 5: No, because if it was, if it was smaller, I
Speaker 5: think it would have looked better.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well they look great. Think you look great? Definitely? Yes?
Speaker 1: All right, So here we are on our second edition. Yes,
Speaker 1: for the oh you're talking today, Relax you relax, you
Speaker 1: have to relax. I don't even I am. I am
Speaker 1: here with my cousin, Sir Yesterday Slim Jones side quest. Yes,
Speaker 1: on our second edition for the love of Yesterday. Show.
Speaker 1: Very exciting. The first show was pretty good. It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of good reviews.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I definitely appreciate everybody supporting that for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, we have an internet sensation. Yes, oh
Speaker 1: I like that sensation. Yeah, sensation here with us as
Speaker 1: our second contestant, right, probably our best contestant, hopefully our
Speaker 1: best contestant. We'll see our first contestant. Our first contestant
Speaker 1: wasn't nothing to sneeze at. So we're going to see
Speaker 1: what you got to offer. My cousin on his quest
Speaker 1: for a partner in the game. What your name is, Crystally, Crystally, Yes,
Speaker 1: tell us about yourself, Christally.
Speaker 5: I'm just like girl.
Speaker 1: Like that. This is good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Confidence, you know early, you know early confidence.
Speaker 5: Is like for real, I am that girl. But how
Speaker 5: y'all when I was crystally thirty years old. No kids,
Speaker 5: I don't smoke. I drink a little bit. Content creator
Speaker 5: slash business women. M that's really it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you actually looking for a relationship You're just
Speaker 1: playing around? Do you? Are you monogamous? Are you?
Speaker 5: I want love like I want to. I don't have
Speaker 5: no holes. I really don't have a roster like. I
Speaker 5: have low tolerance for people in general, and that goes
Speaker 5: for men too. But I want to be people. Men
Speaker 5: are people, but like everybody, like everybody can get it.
Speaker 1: Everybody get the smoke, equal opportunity.
Speaker 5: It just straight because I think people will be like,
Speaker 5: you know, men are in a different boat.
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, I like that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just I want to be married, you know.
Speaker 5: I want to have kids one day. I want to
Speaker 5: be in love.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you ever been in love before?
Speaker 5: I think it was puppy love.
Speaker 1: You had a dog?
Speaker 5: Pretty much? Yeah, pretty much. I have the babysit, feed
Speaker 5: him once a day, walk him.
Speaker 1: He was cute When you said everybody could get it,
Speaker 1: obviously for me we very lgbt Q friendly. I'm straight, Okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tried it.
Speaker 1: Clean it up?
Speaker 5: What did you do I don't know. Gruh you knowycky
Speaker 5: ca memorium.
Speaker 1: Wait was it a mutral?
Speaker 3: That's yeah, mutual, that's I love it. I love a
Speaker 3: person that recipics. Yet, no fairness, I don't like stingy lesbians.
Speaker 5: Oh was it a pillow princess?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't, they don't. They would love you to
Speaker 1: do it, but they like they but.
Speaker 5: Some women don't want it to be done to them.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like like the studs or this regular woman
Speaker 1: that like eating pussy that don't want you to eat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm one of those about that you like get ahead,
Speaker 1: but you don't want that back.
Speaker 5: That's kind of like, wait, you don't like give ahead.
Speaker 5: I'm confused.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I could be a pillow princess, I
Speaker 1: would be okay, just have your feet up, just do
Speaker 1: your you know what I'm saying. I pay the bills
Speaker 1: around here, Okay, I didn't start the timer. It's very
Speaker 1: like me so crystally. Yes, this is a show where
Speaker 1: we really are trying to see what what the energy
Speaker 1: is like between y'all right, We're gonna ask you a
Speaker 1: bunch of questions. I'm going to ask the questions, but don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not here when you answer the question. Y'all talk
Speaker 1: to each other exactly, y'all talk to each other, don't
Speaker 1: talk to me. I'm whatever. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just a voice here. Y'all are the personality. Yeah, hello, look,
Speaker 1: thank you, appreciate it. Wait to y'all booze already.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no competition, shut it down.
Speaker 3: Feeling about how you're feeling about crystally, and I'm feeling good.
Speaker 3: I'm feeling really good like she. I'm first of all,
Speaker 3: I'm happy that you came, very very appreciative of you.
Speaker 3: So and I'm so excited to do this because I
Speaker 3: feel like I could just kind of sense that this
Speaker 3: is going to be it's going to be good.
Speaker 1: So I'm just looking forward to it.
Speaker 5: Thank you. I appreciated yourself.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Oh why so which one? Black? Okay? Look crazy little tea.
Speaker 1: You had to you know, I had to have to
Speaker 1: come right because you know, I know what was in
Speaker 1: the building. You know what I'm saying. You know, it's
Speaker 1: been a nice summer. It's midsummer in summer. How you
Speaker 1: doing out there? You're still single, you're taking you're dating.
Speaker 3: Very much still single. I've just been in grid mode. Yeah,
Speaker 3: been in grind old roster. It's been finny throat, no roster,
Speaker 3: no roster. So you haven't got no box. Oh summer now, hello, hello, relaxing.
Speaker 3: All right, you're asking different questions now. Oh so you're saying,
Speaker 3: how is my summer?
Speaker 1: Right? So there's no right, so let's clean it up,
Speaker 1: clean it up.
Speaker 3: So yes, I have had sex this summer, but very
Speaker 3: early in the summer because like it's almost non.
Speaker 1: Existent at this point.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, But as far as like my dating and
Speaker 3: like you know, the whole ship bang, very minimums.
Speaker 1: Nothing right if she were openly dating with that bother
Speaker 1: you like dating other people, No.
Speaker 3: Not at all, because I feel like eventually they'll just
Speaker 3: fall off anyway, that's just how it goes. Yeah, once
Speaker 3: I show up, it's kind of just like a you
Speaker 3: that girl too, technically, come on, come on. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't bought me, not at all.
Speaker 1: Christly, what about what about you? If he were dating
Speaker 1: other people with that bother you, yeah, it would.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm greedy because it's me or.
Speaker 1: Nothing from the door from inception from the men I
Speaker 1: meet you drop them.
Speaker 5: Host, figure it out, figure it out, figure it out?
Speaker 5: You like her? Like her? Or do you are you
Speaker 5: like single? Or are you looking for something different? You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So I feel like for me,
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, like figure it out, learn how to
Speaker 5: figure it out.
Speaker 1: So is it like a time period for that or
Speaker 1: you just feel like.
Speaker 5: As soon as I mean, I mean, there is like
Speaker 5: a low key time period, like don't you know not
Speaker 5: honestly not, I mean, I'm not delusional some time, but
Speaker 5: like you know, I guess, as we get to know
Speaker 5: each other, ask yourself like, Okay, do I want to
Speaker 5: continue getting to know her or do I want to
Speaker 5: continue getting to know the other person? You know what
Speaker 5: I mean? So if you pick one, I don't think
Speaker 5: there's really like.
Speaker 1: A generally generally two weeks, four weeks, some change.
Speaker 5: Because I think like during the month where it'll be like,
Speaker 5: you know, getting to know each other, talking to each other,
Speaker 5: probably went on a date or two, but I guess,
Speaker 5: depending how fast is going or I think.
Speaker 1: Everything is situational, so it kind of depends on So.
Speaker 5: It's not like a time period, but in a timely
Speaker 5: man yeah, like we're like.
Speaker 1: Hurry up right very very time. You guys actually know
Speaker 1: each other, do you guys or just on Instagram? Christy,
Speaker 1: I have a question for you.
Speaker 5: It's like I want to like, look you look.
Speaker 1: How long after expressing interest on Instagram do you expect
Speaker 1: the guy to like ask for your number?
Speaker 5: I don't know, like depending on what we're talking about,
Speaker 5: Like if he's on something like you know, I want
Speaker 5: to go, you know, go out, or I want to
Speaker 5: like talk to you and get to know you better.
Speaker 5: So to get to know me better, you have to
Speaker 5: have a number.
Speaker 1: Like if you ever get turned off if a guy
Speaker 1: just stays for yeah, you do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because not for like we pampals, like please leave
Speaker 5: me alone. I have a lot.
Speaker 1: So it's like, what is it two weeks? Three weeks?
Speaker 1: Maybe it could be three months, Like.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 5: It's like two weeks, Like I'll give it like two weeks.
Speaker 5: If you take more than two weeks of even trying
Speaker 5: to plan anything or seeing if anything is go go
Speaker 5: any further, then cool. I'm gonna just suggest that you're
Speaker 5: you know, I want to be friends, and that's as
Speaker 5: far as it goes. And if you later on like
Speaker 5: a month later or two months later, be like you know,
Speaker 5: I want to I want to know you had that
Speaker 5: time done?
Speaker 1: No more time. Do you can see yourself to be possessive?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Because you was like yeah on inception dropped him home,
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to. People might be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm possessive, Like like I guess.
Speaker 5: If he I need the energy to be reciprocated at
Speaker 5: all times. So it's like if you're not giving me that,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to give it to you either, So
Speaker 5: I will drop you as fast.
Speaker 3: As you break up with people quick ques just for
Speaker 3: anything tolebrate or you're not going for nothing?
Speaker 1: What's your sign.
Speaker 5: Around to find out? Capricorn.
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's a good sign. Capricorns don't like people though
Speaker 1: we don't know.
Speaker 5: I think we like some people, and then the people
Speaker 5: that we like, we want them like all in our world,
Speaker 5: like we want them invested in everything. We want to
Speaker 5: invest in you, like we're in there, like yeah, like
Speaker 5: you ever hear like one of them girls, but like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I want to be in your skin yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: like your back pocket under you fit it, like I
Speaker 5: want to be everywhere like a crackhead.
Speaker 1: I never heard that one.
Speaker 5: I just want to be in there. But it's like
Speaker 5: and then if a man like does something or say
Speaker 5: something just slightly fucking wrong, or just if the energy
Speaker 5: doesn't feel like I said, if it's just not a
Speaker 5: two way street, then I'm out of there.
Speaker 1: And it would be like immediately up to that challenge,
Speaker 1: like it seems kind of strict. Do you think she's strict?
Speaker 5: Mm hm.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say strict. I would say that she's very,
Speaker 3: very matter of fact. And I feel like, you know
Speaker 3: exactly what you're not going for. So I feel like
Speaker 3: I respect that. I feel like when people present that initially,
Speaker 3: I feel like I can. I can get with the program.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 1: I like that. You good, yeah, straight. Anytime I'm listening
Speaker 1: to you, yo, you you really y'all are both of
Speaker 1: y'all are really good at this. I would not be
Speaker 1: that good at this. It's almost like, y'all do this,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm sitting here like I
Speaker 1: got great ye got great energy. You have great energy. Okay,
Speaker 1: letus get into the show a little bit right. The
Speaker 1: first thing I want to do, I'm gonna go kinky first.
Speaker 1: This is a segment of the show called the two
Speaker 1: hards and the soft. Now the show that the home
Speaker 1: the network, right, it's called the hard or Soft show.
Speaker 1: So that's where this comes from, right, And we talk
Speaker 1: about things we like in the bedroom versus things we
Speaker 1: don't like in the bedroom, things that make us hard
Speaker 1: versus things that make us soft. Are you comfortable like
Speaker 1: with this line of question, I don't want to hard
Speaker 1: your pussy get hard?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah, that.
Speaker 1: I'm bugging and you are soft? I would think, well,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be a little tough. Yeah yeah, So
Speaker 1: we could do the wet and drive for you. But
Speaker 1: the idea of this is for the person to kind
Speaker 1: of guess what you're telling the truth about versus what
Speaker 1: you're not telling the truth about. So I would ask
Speaker 1: you to come up with three things. Two of them
Speaker 1: are your things, one of them is not right, and
Speaker 1: he would have to answer at He would have to
Speaker 1: figure out which ones are the truth by just you know,
Speaker 1: your energy, looking at you, whatever, which one is the
Speaker 1: truth and which one he thinks is a lie? And
Speaker 1: you would do the same after that, All right, that.
Speaker 5: You have such a radio voice, you yeah, just the headphones.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing headphones today because Yesterday's normally our engineer, but
Speaker 1: he's in front of the camera today, so I'm just
Speaker 1: making sure that our sound is right and everything. You know,
Speaker 1: two wets and the dry.
Speaker 5: Wait, I go first, mm hmm. Ok I like my
Speaker 5: feet being stucked to one. I like the coach, and
Speaker 5: I like a summer My ass.
Speaker 1: Damn hold on. One of them is a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's tough. That's really good. That is really good. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. Yes, what are you feeling over there?
Speaker 1: How you what are you thinking? I don't know.
Speaker 3: There was all convincing, like, hmm okay, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3: Yes to the toes. Mm hmm, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: That's tough. These other two, which one isn't she with
Speaker 1: because both of those could be it no for somebody
Speaker 1: exactly right. But what are you getting from her, she asked,
Speaker 1: either or you're plugging her? No, she said, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but her nose is somewhere nice. Well depends on which
Speaker 1: way she's going. I'm gonna go. You like the THUMBI
Speaker 1: ass no, guc.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's what crystally, what do you think?
Speaker 5: Correct? I do not like no fucking you, Please do
Speaker 5: not put your leg up.
Speaker 3: That's exactly see, that's the energy that I because I
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know, okay.
Speaker 5: I was not thinking anybody was gonna get it because
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't want to say I look
Speaker 5: ass because then I'm like that sounds like I'm joking.
Speaker 1: It was hard. It was hard because it was like
Speaker 1: it's either one or the other, like for sure, but
Speaker 1: the Gucca is not even that ass, so it's like
Speaker 1: it's under the nuts. I'm not like, okay, I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to say it like that.
Speaker 5: Like your legs, No, don't be up your legs.
Speaker 1: Why are you looking at me like your legs be up?
Speaker 1: Why you did that?
Speaker 5: You disappointed?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not listen, my gucci gets licked and more.
Speaker 1: But my thing is like that's not even like a
Speaker 1: forbidden planet, like it's it's under the nuts. What's wrong
Speaker 1: with that? It's not that butthole, it's gooch. It's literally
Speaker 1: a piece of skin. There's no hole or nothing. It's
Speaker 1: just like a skin patch. It's a I think sex thing, period.
Speaker 1: But this ain't about me. This is about y'all. I
Speaker 1: just confused. Why is that?
Speaker 3: That's like, you know, so I'm gonna say that you're
Speaker 3: so that's completely off the that whole region is all yeah.
Speaker 5: A yeah, I get the I don't understand. Look by
Speaker 5: all means do you're a big one like you say to.
Speaker 1: You like you know anything to you no, like women
Speaker 1: like you know if you want to do that?
Speaker 5: It me personally, I do cross the lines something like
Speaker 5: insects something. Some lines gotta be crossed, Like we can't
Speaker 5: just just be doing anything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you got to have some parameters on this,
Speaker 1: some rules.
Speaker 5: I mean to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm glad this year's show. I'll be looking
Speaker 1: at the door.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot, I'm freaky. I'm sorry, but this ain't
Speaker 1: about me my bad? Are you? Are you good? Are
Speaker 1: you good with that? You could go forever without.
Speaker 3: Getting that's not a make a break for me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: totally okay.
Speaker 5: Because I feel like there's other things it's am not
Speaker 5: willing to try.
Speaker 3: Always it always depends because you can't listen because I'm
Speaker 3: not going to try just anything.
Speaker 1: I get that. Like, so I feel like people got
Speaker 1: to be able to have their right the lines where
Speaker 1: they draw them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I feel like if a man is too
Speaker 5: freaky then you just.
Speaker 1: You just it's just what's too freaky? Too much for me?
Speaker 5: Like we schedule ahead. I just I feel like, damn,
Speaker 5: I'm not that Like okay, a lot of should be
Speaker 5: too freaky to me.
Speaker 1: So do you consider yourself like vanilla?
Speaker 5: What's that? Like?
Speaker 3: Very like plain sexually, so like you're like you know,
Speaker 3: you're with like regular sex, but like you're not with like.
Speaker 5: The extra toys and no, like that's the thing, like
Speaker 5: I'm with the toys, like the full play gets down outside,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So it's like I'm cool
Speaker 5: with certain things if we get down. Getting down is
Speaker 5: not the problem.
Speaker 1: It's just like.
Speaker 5: What's your experience of getting down? Because I might be
Speaker 5: too boring, like me being trying to be you know,
Speaker 5: different might be too boring for you because you've done
Speaker 5: everything in the book. You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 5: it's like not satisfying.
Speaker 1: No, I get that, not for me, but okay, I
Speaker 1: like boring. You like boring when they look like this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks s interesting, very very interesting. You could tone yourself
Speaker 1: down forever. It's not really she's gorgeous. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 3: I feel like once I like somebody, then I can
Speaker 3: kind of adjust and also to that stuff is not
Speaker 3: that important.
Speaker 1: To me where I feel like it's sex is not
Speaker 1: that important.
Speaker 3: I mean it's important, but it's not like I can't
Speaker 3: you know, live or breathe if I'm not like, you know,
Speaker 3: going to that earth.
Speaker 1: Okay, well let's see if she can guess you're two
Speaker 1: hearts and yourself.
Speaker 3: Okay, make it good because she wouldn't play. I know
Speaker 3: that was the age that was yours was really good. Like, okay,
Speaker 3: so I like to be smothered. I like to be
Speaker 3: bound and gagged, and.
Speaker 1: I like, you're not going to do that. Gonna do that.
Speaker 5: You're not gonna do that.
Speaker 1: You're not even gonna do that because there's no way
Speaker 1: she's gonna think that she's like being bound and gagged?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 5: What do you think of?
Speaker 1: What you're not? Come on, go funk up my gig man,
Speaker 1: keep it, let's keep let's come on, let's make it.
Speaker 1: Get that off. What's you going for that? No, not
Speaker 1: even a little bit. Come on, now, you gotta both
Speaker 1: of them is off the board. You can't do that.
Speaker 1: You hit the bell was.
Speaker 2: Good on?
Speaker 1: Okay? Fuck all right, all right,