Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Jasonallis. Of course, we discussed a
Speaker 1: lot of these issues about a year or two ago
Speaker 1: with Nick Bryant. He's also published by my publisher. His
Speaker 1: book is The Franklin Scandal. My books are SSR, Hollywood one, two,
Speaker 1: and three. That is Trying Day and Nick joins us
Speaker 1: today to talk about the new Epstein files, all of
Speaker 1: the recent information coming out on a daily, minute by
Speaker 1: minute basis. Everything gets crazy every minute. There's some new
Speaker 1: wild email that five years ago, ten years ago would
Speaker 1: have been a week long news story. Well, it's minute
Speaker 1: by minute now. So Nick joins us. He is one
Speaker 1: of the first to deal with this issue via the
Speaker 1: Gawker publication of The Black Book of jeff Sinon mceffrey
Speaker 1: or Jeffrey as we say over here, Nick, what's up
Speaker 1: and tell us about your background.
Speaker 2: Good to see. How's my favorite stand up comic philosopher
Speaker 2: Eastern Orthodox Christion.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not technically doing a lot of stand up yet,
Speaker 1: but I am writing for comedee and so we're trying
Speaker 1: to maybe one day.
Speaker 2: Just keep that in mind, and you're aspiring. I've been
Speaker 2: I've been on the Epstein beat since twenty eleven, and
Speaker 2: I acquired his Black Book in October of twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: And Epstein has under euphemistically, he has massages and under
Speaker 2: massages are a lot of the victims. And there's massage Florida,
Speaker 2: there's massage New Mexico. There's a massage LA there's a
Speaker 2: massage in New York. And I started calling those numbers.
Speaker 2: And the first call was kind of strange because I
Speaker 2: was talking to the mother of an Epstein victim and
Speaker 2: she was in the room. The victim was, but the
Speaker 2: mother was doing the talking, and I just said, my
Speaker 2: name's Nick Brian, I'm a journalist and I'm looking into
Speaker 2: the Jeffrey Epstein trafficking network. And I was wondering, your
Speaker 2: daughter trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein, and she said, well, she'd been.
Speaker 2: He had sexually abused her since she was thirteen years old.
Speaker 2: So that was my first call, and then my second
Speaker 2: call was with a woman who'd been flown to different states.
Speaker 2: And then my third call was with a woman who'd
Speaker 2: been flown to an island, and we really didn't know
Speaker 2: about the island at that point. We didn't know about
Speaker 2: Orgy Island. So once I had that nailed down. I
Speaker 2: felt when I went down there, there were accounts of
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein molesting multiple underage girls, and there was a
Speaker 2: grand jury that said he hadn't molested a single underage girl.
Speaker 2: And I saw that with the Franklin scandal, where there
Speaker 2: were actually two corrupt grand juries, and the Franklin network
Speaker 2: was a huge network. I think it was actually bigger
Speaker 2: than Epstein's. It wasn't as around as long as Epstein's,
Speaker 2: but I think it was probably bigger. And those two
Speaker 2: grand juries declared that not a single chief had been abused.
Speaker 2: So I saw the compatibility between the two, and that's
Speaker 2: what I went down to Florida, and I eventually started
Speaker 2: calling Epstein's inner circle, and I just wanted to see
Speaker 2: what they would say. None of them pick up except
Speaker 2: for Sarah Kellen, who is the right hand woman of
Speaker 2: Gallinne Maxwell, the henchwoman of Gallainne Maxwell, who led hundreds
Speaker 2: of lambs to the slaughter and asked the evil woman.
Speaker 2: And I started to talk to her, and she said
Speaker 2: how unfairly the media had treated her. She was commiserating
Speaker 2: about how unfairly she'd been treated by the media, and
Speaker 2: I did not share that attitude with her, and I
Speaker 2: think I might have expressed myself a little bit, and
Speaker 2: so the conversation got brought to a quick cessation. And
Speaker 2: then all these years later, these email else are coming
Speaker 2: out and there's a center. Her name or his name
Speaker 2: is redacted, but it goes to all of Epstein's inner circle,
Speaker 2: and it said there's a journalist named Nick Bryant who
Speaker 2: is down here looking around and everybody has their quote
Speaker 2: unquote be aware of him. And then they had a
Speaker 2: picture of me in the email. And there were two
Speaker 2: more emails where Epstein was supposed to call me once
Speaker 2: it alarm, JE called Nick Bryant. So apparently leaving all
Speaker 2: those messages for the inner circlet, uh got my they
Speaker 2: got my attention, or I got their attention.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean, you know, you've been on this
Speaker 1: case for a long time, and it's it's neat to see.
Speaker 1: I mean it's neat. Maybe it's ominous on it, but interesting,
Speaker 1: fascinating to see that they did have tabs on quite
Speaker 1: a few people. But you know, you you clearly played
Speaker 1: a central role and who needed to be watched and
Speaker 1: perhaps you know, who knows what do you think they
Speaker 1: would have perhaps looked at legal action. Do you think
Speaker 1: they were wanted to smear you or do you know
Speaker 1: that they had any did they have any kind of reprisal?
Speaker 2: I don't know what their intent was. I took a
Speaker 2: lot of harassment when I wrote the Franklin Scandal, including
Speaker 2: the death threat, So there were a number of things
Speaker 2: that were thrown at me, and I'm sure I'm rather
Speaker 2: ub to, so I'm sure that there were a number
Speaker 2: of other threats that I just didn't pick up on.
Speaker 2: But anyway, there is one thing that was strange. Shortly
Speaker 2: after my visit to Florida, my mail was blatantly opened,
Speaker 2: I mean blatantly, and I had no idea because I
Speaker 2: was also at that point I was working on a
Speaker 2: book called Confessions of a DC Man in the Politics
Speaker 2: and Sexualizing Blackmail, and it was about a guy ran
Speaker 2: a gay escort service in DC and.
Speaker 1: That's Henry Vn. I have that text.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Henry and I were going to start working
Speaker 2: on that book. So it could have been an aggregate
Speaker 2: of those things, or it just could have been Ebstein.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now this recent trunch that's come out here, I've covered
Speaker 1: it pretty consistently for the last twelve thirteen days, and
Speaker 1: it's been insane, a lot of different avenues to go down.
Speaker 1: First of all, let's talk about maybe some of the
Speaker 1: things that surprised you. There were definitely things that surprised me,
Speaker 1: stuff I didn't expect. I'm sure you've been following this
Speaker 1: case longer than I have, so you have maybe a
Speaker 1: bigger bird's eye view of this. But what are some
Speaker 1: of the things that immediately stood out that shocked you
Speaker 1: or surprised you? And then I also want to talk
Speaker 1: about some of the more speculative, salacious types of things,
Speaker 1: the weird food terminology. You want to get your take
Speaker 1: on that. But what's the thing, What are some of
Speaker 1: the things that surprised you.
Speaker 2: First, I've been at this for a long time. I
Speaker 2: started investigating Franklin in two thousand and two, two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, and those pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spencer,
Speaker 2: I mean, they were evil guys, and I always wondered,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a human trafficker, a child trafficker,
Speaker 2: you're a vicious individual, and chances are you're a psychopath.
Speaker 2: So I never had any illusion about Epstein and Maxwell
Speaker 2: being psychopaths. But there was a couple that just kicked
Speaker 2: me in the gut. I mean really kicked me in
Speaker 2: the gut. The UCLA neuroscientist who has an MD and
Speaker 2: abuse and he writes to Ebstein about how to enhance
Speaker 2: a baby's a baby's infants sucking ability. I after all,
Speaker 2: I've spoken at anti trafficking conferences, I've talked to scores
Speaker 2: of victims, and I'm aware of the most evil thing
Speaker 2: things done to children. But that one got me. That
Speaker 2: one got me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was hard to you, hard to
Speaker 1: deal with him.
Speaker 2: And I guess doctor Tramo is not getting his contract
Speaker 2: at UCLA, which is a very good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen several prime ministers and un types sort
Speaker 1: of step down, even some CEOs supposedly stepping down. They'll
Speaker 1: probably just go into some other cushy position. But what
Speaker 1: about did you have a I know you probably did
Speaker 1: from the Franklin information. But one thing that surprised me was,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd followed and read books on Epstein over
Speaker 1: the years and looked into it to a decent degree,
Speaker 1: but I was a little bit surprised at the international
Speaker 1: scope of a lot of the Epstein emails, in particularly
Speaker 1: regard to first or second day people had dug up
Speaker 1: plans where he had to meet. He was going to
Speaker 1: meet with like fifteen different world leaders, heads of state.
Speaker 1: He's talking about the Greek deck crisis and profiting from that.
Speaker 1: He's talking about the vat Can Bank to Larry Summers,
Speaker 1: how it works, inner workings of that. He's talking to
Speaker 1: Ariandre Rothschald about you know, the Ukraine and making money
Speaker 1: from that when when there's a you know, chaos desabilization there.
Speaker 1: He talks about Somalia and you know, plundering the resources.
Speaker 1: So stuff that's pretty international in scope. Was that surprising
Speaker 1: at all to you? Or did you already kind of
Speaker 1: figure it was already international.
Speaker 2: I knew it was international. I didn't think that he
Speaker 2: had the connections to various prime ministers that he did.
Speaker 2: That that surprised me. That he could tap into just
Speaker 2: about any country's power brokers, that is one thing that
Speaker 2: surprised me. I knew that he was pandering these young
Speaker 2: girls to various people in Europe. I had no doubt
Speaker 2: about that. But yeah, just his international connections. I mean,
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was a very talented guy. He was good
Speaker 2: at trafficking underage girls. He was good at laundry money,
Speaker 2: he was good at putting together arms deals. If I
Speaker 2: was Team Evil and I had a first round draft pick,
Speaker 2: I would pick Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, Jeffrey. If your
Speaker 2: Team Evil, Jeffrey Ebstey might be the overall first round pick.
Speaker 1: You're a long time yeah, yeah, you're a sort of
Speaker 1: an expert on this. I want to get your take
Speaker 1: my assessment. I want you to tell me how correct
Speaker 1: that was in this. My assessment was, he seems to
Speaker 1: be kind of like a PhD in organized crime. He's
Speaker 1: really good at networking, synthesizing, and putting together different things
Speaker 1: at you know, multiple different disciplines or criminal operations. I
Speaker 1: guess you could say, is he like a criminal operations expert?
Speaker 2: He is, But he also had that get out of
Speaker 2: jail free card too, and a lot of criminal masterminds
Speaker 2: don't have that get out of jail free card. So
Speaker 2: that's what differentiated Jeffrey Epstein from a number of high
Speaker 2: class criminals that we know about. And Jeffrey didn't have
Speaker 2: to worry about law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Would you say that that untouchable status again probably has
Speaker 1: to do with working at intelligence or above intelligence levels
Speaker 1: via Trilateral Commission that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, he was definitely plug into the Trailae permission
Speaker 2: and other organizations. But I believe and I've always people
Speaker 2: say he's working for Israelian intelligence, and I always have
Speaker 2: maintained and actually.
Speaker 1: The Internet you're cutting out there for a second. Internet
Speaker 1: was sometimes this happens. I don't think it's a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: But Nick, hold on a second, you cut out just
Speaker 1: for a second. It's just Internet. It's not conspiracy or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Go ahead. And so you've always maintained what.
Speaker 2: Well I've always made attained that Jeffrey Epstein was. People
Speaker 2: have said that he was working for the Massad, and
Speaker 2: I disagree with that. I mean, he very well might
Speaker 2: have been working with the Massad, but I just don't
Speaker 2: see the dark side of the CIA getting letting the
Speaker 2: dark side of the massade compromise American politicians on Americans.
Speaker 2: So without getting a cut of that intelligence, I think
Speaker 2: that that two have worked together.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, is it possible that it
Speaker 1: was a sort of a he worked for different intelligence operations.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I thought.
Speaker 2: I have a tendency to think that it was primarily
Speaker 2: Israeli an American. He very well might have worked for
Speaker 2: other intelligence agencies. You've got a guy like Robert Maxwell
Speaker 2: who's working for a number of different intelligence agencies. But
Speaker 2: I think Epstein was primarily getting his protection, and a
Speaker 2: guy like that needs protection from the Israelis and then
Speaker 2: the Americans. And when that sweetheart deal was made, and
Speaker 2: this is something I didn't know. There was a grand
Speaker 2: jury that was impaneled in two thousand and seven, and
Speaker 2: I thought that it had been adjourned very quickly, or
Speaker 2: I didn't even know if it had been paneled. And
Speaker 2: now we know that there was a grand jury impaneled
Speaker 2: and that there was an investigation, and that there was
Speaker 2: a sixty count indictment that was ready to be slapped
Speaker 2: down on Epstein, and count fifty one was child trafficking,
Speaker 2: which is a heavy sentence in the federal system. It's
Speaker 2: fifteen a life. So with Epstein, the Feds, the Southern
Speaker 2: District of Florida, Alexander A. Coosta, they were ready to
Speaker 2: prosecute him, and they would have put him away forever.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you where the power comes from. In
Speaker 2: that situation, he was given a sweetheart deal. He had
Speaker 2: to do thirteen months in a county jail, and all
Speaker 2: his co conspiras were given immunity. Now, Alexander Acrosta as
Speaker 2: a US there's only two people in the government that
Speaker 2: can tell a US attorney to stand down. One is
Speaker 2: the Attorney General and one is the president. There's no
Speaker 2: way that Alexander A Consta as a US attorney is
Speaker 2: going to unilaterally cover up a pedophile network. And they
Speaker 2: had a list, They had a list of thirty six victims,
Speaker 2: but they knew of forty underage victims. Alexander A Consta
Speaker 2: is going to do that. And Alberto Gonzalez was the
Speaker 2: Attorney General at that point. And there's no way Alberto
Speaker 2: Gonzdallas is going to go out and a lemon cover
Speaker 2: up a nationwide pedophon network without his boss telling him too.
Speaker 2: And his boss was George Bush too, the cognitively challenged
Speaker 2: George Bush. And so that emanated from the highest apex
Speaker 2: of the American political structure, the president. And I don't
Speaker 2: see Bush two making sure that Epstein has that lenient
Speaker 2: deal if he's not working with the CIA. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's my take on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, also too, I saw several I think we all
Speaker 1: know about Prince Andrew and all that. Do you think
Speaker 1: there's potentially British intelligence connection. I'm thinking there were those
Speaker 1: interesting pictures of Epstein having photographs of old news stories
Speaker 1: from London Telegraph and other publications, the Independent that Princess
Speaker 1: Diana had gotten divorced, and so there was this article
Speaker 1: alleging that they had met, and some people were speculating
Speaker 1: that maybe that he was wanting to have a liaison
Speaker 1: or wanting to get with Princess die That was more speculation.
Speaker 1: But we have the Prince Andrew. You know, those circles
Speaker 1: are really well established. Do you think there's also British
Speaker 1: intelligence angle to this? With five Eyes and sharing and
Speaker 1: intelligence in the West.
Speaker 2: It's entirely possible. From what I have gleaned. The three
Speaker 2: countries that do the most blackmailing and I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm giving them in the right order, but it's
Speaker 2: the United States, It's UK, and it's Israel. Now I
Speaker 2: don't think Russia is far behind them, but that's what
Speaker 2: I've been told. And again I'm sure that wherever Epstein
Speaker 2: went he was compromising people. I've got no doubts about that.
Speaker 2: So and he spent a lot of time in the UK,
Speaker 2: and actually I think he was more open in the
Speaker 2: UK about what he was up to than he was
Speaker 2: in the US. He actually there was an amazing article
Speaker 2: written about Epstein and Maxwell and the Pedophile formerly known
Speaker 2: as Prince Andrew and the Evening Standard. I think it
Speaker 2: was two thousand and one. It was Nigel Rosser, who's
Speaker 2: a pretty accomplished British journalist, and he talked about Epstein,
Speaker 2: saying that Epstein said that he was with the CIA
Speaker 2: on various occasions, but then at this point he was
Speaker 2: kind of walking that back. And there were some other
Speaker 2: interesting things in that article too. It said Roger Rosser
Speaker 2: vote that Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein were doing business
Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties, said that Epstein was doing business
Speaker 2: with Gates and Waxner and Trump in the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2: And we know that the mainstream media has maintained that
Speaker 2: Gates met Epstein in twenty eleven, but according to this article,
Speaker 2: they had met much earlier. And just about everything that
Speaker 2: the mainstream media has manufactured about the Epstein case has
Speaker 2: been pretty disingenuous. So I would have a tendency to
Speaker 2: believe the Evening Standard article over the mainstream media in
Speaker 2: our country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think there's interesting parallels with Jimmy Savile.
Speaker 1: That's another case ELM guest House. You know that bears
Speaker 1: parallels to what you've covered with Franklin and Craig Spence
Speaker 1: and people like that, with the blackmail angle, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people forget the weapons arms trafficking stuff, which
Speaker 1: Whitney Webb talks about that early on in her book
Speaker 1: in regard to addenan koshogi who seems to have had
Speaker 1: kind of this international, high level ability to deal with
Speaker 1: anybody under perhaps the purview of American and Israeli intelligence.
Speaker 1: I think Kashowgi was Saudi, right, So, and then they
Speaker 1: had his yacht fitted out to also record people, according
Speaker 1: to Whitney Webb in the first couple of chapters of
Speaker 1: her books, So we see these patterns of of the
Speaker 1: places fitted to you know, capture blackmail. Is it true
Speaker 1: that the Epstein estates I saw people alleging this? Do
Speaker 1: you think it's true that they had cameras pretty much
Speaker 1: set up everywhere? Did you were able to confirm that
Speaker 1: so that we were pretty sure that it was blackmail?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? All his homes were wired for audiovision blackmail?
Speaker 1: Was it? I saw an email saying or a report
Speaker 1: saying that Ehod Barack was the one that had come
Speaker 1: to help set that up.
Speaker 2: Well, actually it came out recently. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: just within the last couple of days. Epstein owned an
Speaker 2: apartment building on sixty sixth Street where he kept girls
Speaker 2: and young women and a who Barack, who is also
Speaker 2: one of the pedophiles, and actually a very unsavory pedophile
Speaker 2: at that who ever seen put deals. He would stay
Speaker 2: in that apartment building quite often. And the Israelis wired
Speaker 2: that apartment building for audio visual blackmail. I think that
Speaker 2: they probably under the auspices that who Barack was a
Speaker 2: former prime minister and former defense minister, so that was
Speaker 2: part of his security, and that might have well been
Speaker 2: the case too. But was definitely a blackmailer, I've got
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. But the thing about what we
Speaker 2: saw in the Franklin scandal, there were two primary pimps,
Speaker 2: Lawrence King and Chray Spans, and Spance started to get
Speaker 2: a lot of media on him and he ultimately ended
Speaker 2: up killing himself. People on the internet say he was suicided.
Speaker 2: I believe that he killed himself but I also believe
Speaker 2: that he was given a choice. It was one of
Speaker 2: those Vito Corleone moments where either you can kill yourself
Speaker 2: or we will kill you. And he checked into the
Speaker 2: Ritz Carlton and Boston and a tuxedo and took an
Speaker 2: overdose of no triplane. And it's kind of interesting. He
Speaker 2: had a article on his chest talking about CIA intelligence
Speaker 2: people being called to testify before government entities, and he'd
Speaker 2: been subpoenaed to testify at a grand jury. So he
Speaker 2: was getting way too much media. And I don't think
Speaker 2: Spence like Empstein. He was too used to living the
Speaker 2: high life and he could not have withstood being in prison.
Speaker 2: He just couldn't. Now King, on the other hand, he
Speaker 2: was given the same rap that was given to Spence.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you got to keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 2: And King was more I think willing to keep his
Speaker 2: mouth shut, and I think that their handlers could see that.
Speaker 2: So he did twelve years in pub fed's or I mean,
Speaker 2: he was in the cushiest prisons that we have in
Speaker 2: the federal system. And he got out after about twelve years,
Speaker 2: and he had a no show job waiting for him
Speaker 2: at a BMW dealership in Alexander, Virginia. He was taking
Speaker 2: care of it, and I think the same thing kind
Speaker 2: of went with Maxwell. Maxwell saw what happened to Epstein,
Speaker 2: and she agreed to keep her mouth shut. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if Ebstein could have I mean, he was
Speaker 2: too used to the high life. I don't think that
Speaker 2: he would have done well being incarcerated. And people say, well,
Speaker 2: he was in megalomaniac and he never would have killed himself.
Speaker 2: If you look at that last picture of him when
Speaker 2: he was arrested and compared to prior pictures, he looked
Speaker 2: like a totally defeated man, and it's entirely possible that
Speaker 2: someone helped him kill himself. I don't discount that, but
Speaker 2: I think that he probably killed himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to ask you too about the more speculative,
Speaker 1: sort of scandalous sensational emails and topic the beef, jerky,
Speaker 1: the tuna, the seafood. Do you believe that this is code?
Speaker 1: Could it be code for organ trafficking? Could it be
Speaker 1: code for cannibalism? Is that too far? What is your
Speaker 1: thought on this recent furor that everybody has.
Speaker 2: Well, remember we had pizzagate some years ago, and I
Speaker 2: didn't know what to make a pizza gate. I looked
Speaker 2: into it, and actually I did spend some time on it,
Speaker 2: and I got to the guy who could get me
Speaker 2: to the guy that could start corroborating Pizzagate for me,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, that interview just kind of evaporated,
Speaker 2: and I'd put so much time into it that I
Speaker 2: just moved on. And we both have philosophic training, and
Speaker 2: I tried to approach everything agnostically like Socrates taught us.
Speaker 2: And I went into Pizzagate agnostic, and I went out agnostic.
Speaker 2: But you've got these emails about muffins and steaks and
Speaker 2: pizza absolutely codes. But the thing about Epstein is he
Speaker 2: didn't do drugs. I don't even think he drank, or
Speaker 2: he drank very little. And he was very circumspect about
Speaker 2: the food that he ate. He had a chef that
Speaker 2: wherever he went, his chef went and prepared the food
Speaker 2: that he wanted. So there's an email from Harry Fish.
Speaker 2: He's a medical doctor, he's a urologist. He's like a
Speaker 2: urologist of the stars. He's in New York City and
Speaker 2: he said to Epstein, I can't wait till the next
Speaker 2: time we go out for pizza and grape soda, and
Speaker 2: I found Harry's number. I've been doing investigati journalism for
Speaker 2: a long time, so I'm very good at getting people's numbers.
Speaker 2: And I called him up and I said, Harry, my
Speaker 2: name is Nick Brian. I'm a journalist, and i'd like
Speaker 2: to know what's your favorite pizza and what brand of
Speaker 2: grape soda would you suggest? And, much to my sugarin,
Speaker 2: he didn't get back to me. But then I texted him,
Speaker 2: and actually I put the text on Twitter and I said, Harry,
Speaker 2: my name is Nick Brian. I left a voicemail for you,
Speaker 2: just for my own personal atification. Could you tell me
Speaker 2: what type of pizza you like and what brand of
Speaker 2: grape soda you would suggest? And he never got back
Speaker 2: to me. I mean, I think that that's kind of rude.
Speaker 2: Don't you think that's rude?
Speaker 1: Jay, I'm not surprised. I wouldn't have expected him to
Speaker 1: get back either, But I'm not really engaged in a
Speaker 1: lot of investigative journalism. I just kind of stick to books,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what to expect, but I wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, just side a little side question, when when
Speaker 1: you engage in those kinds of you know, calls or requests.
Speaker 1: Do you mostly get ghosted and silenced? Or do you
Speaker 1: do they act sometimes reply or what's the tendency?
Speaker 2: Sometimes people will pick up and I'll tell them who
Speaker 2: I am, and then they bring the conversation to a
Speaker 2: quick close. But I'm amazed at how easy it is.
Speaker 2: I can get just about anybody's phone number on their
Speaker 2: cell phone. It's when you've been doing it as long
Speaker 2: as I have. The databases are pretty sophisticated, and you
Speaker 2: can get sophisticated too, so it's pretty easy for me
Speaker 2: to call people. I called Lawrence King, one of the
Speaker 2: pimps in the Franklin scandal, and said, Larry, how you
Speaker 2: doing this? Is Nick Bryant? And he said he wasn't him?
Speaker 2: So that was kind of the end of the conversation.
Speaker 1: Have you, I mean, have you ever called anyone who
Speaker 1: actually gave you like a good conversation and admitted things
Speaker 1: or is it always just kind of hanging up.
Speaker 2: Some people have given me really good information, but it's rare.
Speaker 2: It's rare, and it's generally not perpetrators. It's people on
Speaker 2: the other side, right right, the victims, like I had
Speaker 2: pretty good success calling the victims in Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book,
Speaker 2: and I didn't call a lot of them. I mean
Speaker 2: I called a number of numbers that were disconnected, but
Speaker 2: then the ones that I talked to, most of them
Speaker 2: were fairly open to talking to me. And that was
Speaker 2: also the same with the Franklin Scan. I found twelve
Speaker 2: victims of the Franklin Scan. I had a list of
Speaker 2: sixty of them from a skill grandy documentary.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get an assessment of that overall from the
Speaker 1: victims that you called and had conversations with. What's your
Speaker 1: description of what's the TLDR that the the too long
Speaker 1: didn't read assessment summary of how victims portray this operation.
Speaker 2: Their view of this operation is very myopic. They just
Speaker 2: know about the sexual component, and I don't think that
Speaker 2: they even realized how hooked up Jeffrey Epstein was the victims.
Speaker 2: Most of the victims were kept in the dark, and
Speaker 2: we're just used as his and his friend's sexual toys.
Speaker 2: So I now, Virginia, do You Free? Is a different story.
Speaker 2: I got to know her pretty well, and Epstein flew
Speaker 2: her around and around and around, and she was with
Speaker 2: Epstein for a couple of years and she was molested
Speaker 2: by a lot of powerful guys, and from her I
Speaker 2: got some really good information. But the other victims that
Speaker 2: I've talked to primarily we're in the dark about how
Speaker 2: expansive Jeffrey Epstein's reach was.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm thinking in terms of, you know the code words,
Speaker 1: what is your theory on what the code words are?
Speaker 1: So were you arguing that because he wanted a personal
Speaker 1: chef and he was very attentive to like what he ate,
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't be eating pizza and grape soda because
Speaker 1: that's junk food, or were you saying that he was
Speaker 1: attentive to what he was eating so there would not
Speaker 1: be any cannibalism.
Speaker 2: It was obviously a code. So here's an email from
Speaker 2: Susan Hamblin and she runs an aren An adoption charity,
Speaker 2: and she says to Jeffrey Epstein that she's sending quote
Speaker 2: unquote fresh muffins to the quote unquote island and asking
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein if you'd like additional steaks. And because this
Speaker 2: woman is running in an adoption charity and she's hooked
Speaker 2: up with Jeffrey Epstein, there's no way that she is
Speaker 2: sending muffins and steaks to the Virgin Islands. I mean
Speaker 2: that's obviously exactly for children. I believe children because of
Speaker 2: her status.
Speaker 1: Is so the eating could be an analogy for the
Speaker 1: sexual activity.
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Is there perhaps organ trafficking? Do you do you believe
Speaker 1: that some bodies needed to be disposed with the sulfuric acid?
Speaker 1: Is that a viable component of it as well?
Speaker 2: That's entirely possible. I mean there was a lot of
Speaker 2: sulphuric acid that was and there were and the emails
Speaker 2: have come out do talk about tunnels underneath the island?
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw that, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Who knows what was in those tunnels. I have talked
Speaker 2: to some victims and they have said, there's just so
Speaker 2: many girls that Epstein went through, and they wonder how
Speaker 2: many are still alive? Yeah, yeah, and there were. With
Speaker 2: the FSC Victims Compensation program, there were two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty five women that applied for compensation, and compensation was
Speaker 2: awarded to one hundred and fifty, but eight of them
Speaker 2: twelve of them declined to go through the victims Compensation
Speaker 2: fund because if you got money from that compensation fund
Speaker 2: or a conversation program you signed a release and you
Speaker 2: could not go after any of your other perpetrators. It
Speaker 2: was a superlative The Fstein victims compensation program was a
Speaker 2: superlative cover up tool.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, I guess that's why a lot of
Speaker 1: people set a lot of court right, that's a good
Speaker 1: way to kind of just get it out of the media,
Speaker 1: get it out of people's attention.
Speaker 2: And signed the release.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly now.
Speaker 2: And then one of the attorneys, his name was Stam Poinger.
Speaker 2: He's dead now. He was a CIA asset and actually
Speaker 2: he worked with Jeffrey Epstein in the early eighties. I
Speaker 2: think that they were both putting together arms deals. PingER
Speaker 2: was part of the October Surprise arms deal where the
Speaker 2: Reagan camp told the Iranians. The Iranians took hostages in
Speaker 2: the Reagan camp told the Iranians that if they held
Speaker 2: onto the hostage till after Rangan became president, they would
Speaker 2: sell them a surf feat of weapons at a reasonable price.
Speaker 2: And Poner was one of the first people that laid
Speaker 2: down the foundation of that deal. And then he is
Speaker 2: in business with Epstein, and Epstein is with at that
Speaker 2: point working with John Lees, who is a British arms dealer,
Speaker 2: and they're sending arms from China communists China to Iran
Speaker 2: because Iran was fighting the Iraqis, who we were also
Speaker 2: providing Iraqis the weapons too. But the Stamp Pottinger, for
Speaker 2: him to represent these Epstein victims was an abomination. I mean,
Speaker 2: according to one of the Epstein victims, she was sodomized
Speaker 2: by Stampoinger. And there's other There's another victim named Sarah
Speaker 2: Ransom who has just been through hell. Man just been
Speaker 2: through hell. I mean, she was molessed repeatedly by her stepfather,
Speaker 2: and then Epstein got his hooks into her and just
Speaker 2: treated her like a slave, like an animal. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was swell and Epstein were just vicious to this
Speaker 2: poor woman. And at a certain point in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: she tried to kill herself. She jumped out a window
Speaker 2: and she survived. And Stamp she's on heavy duty pay
Speaker 2: medication and Psyche had medication, and Stamp Pottinger is sending
Speaker 2: her emails pushing her to make a settle with the
Speaker 2: Ebstein Victims Conversation program. Just really really cold blooded type stuff.
Speaker 1: It looked to me another question that I had for
Speaker 1: somebody who's been in this for a while. Seems like
Speaker 1: some of the emails suggested that at times he took
Speaker 1: orders from some people or was told to do things
Speaker 1: in certain cases. We have, for example, the email about assassination.
Speaker 1: I saw people trying to demunk that and say, well,
Speaker 1: maybe they're just talking about, you know, something in a
Speaker 1: sexual way that's using the code of you know, killing
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know what that was supposed to mean.
Speaker 1: But do you think that there were instances where he
Speaker 1: was being told what to do by certain people in
Speaker 1: the case of like there was that one email you
Speaker 1: have our spy, you know, and then another one about torturing.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was sexual codes or do you
Speaker 1: think that was actual espionage codes or words that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you can tell in his interactions
Speaker 2: with less Wexner that he is giving less Wexner a
Speaker 2: degree of deference that borders on fear. I think Wess
Speaker 2: Wexner was probably the only person that really had a
Speaker 2: lot of control over reps as an individuals, not as
Speaker 2: an entity.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because that's that's the thing that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are asking, like, well, who who would be
Speaker 1: kind of above him? And presumably it would be people
Speaker 1: with more money than that he had, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and again there's always been the speculation about what does
Speaker 1: it mean that he was a money manager? I mean,
Speaker 1: presumably he was managing Wexner's money, right.
Speaker 2: It's so humorous less Wexner. Well, Epstein and Wexner had
Speaker 2: this strange relationship. I mean, they were lovers, but then
Speaker 2: they were also pedophiles together. And and Wexner gave Epstein
Speaker 2: power of attorney for his vast fortune in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: And this is another case of the mainstream media being disingenuous.
Speaker 2: And this is Vanity Fair, which is relatively sophisticated magazine
Speaker 2: that will never ever let me write an article for them.
Speaker 2: But the reason okay, and I mean I'm not being
Speaker 2: facetious about this at all, The reason why Les Wexner
Speaker 2: gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his vast fortune
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety one was because he was lonely. I means, yeah,
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair says that.
Speaker 1: And you're you're also then of the opinion of the
Speaker 1: view that Epstein is bisexual as well, which is relevant
Speaker 1: to this proclivities issue, because I don't think a lot
Speaker 1: of people notice that or thought about that until this
Speaker 1: recent dump. When did you queue into that.
Speaker 2: I knew about Epstein and Wexner, I mean like a
Speaker 2: bisexual relations and ship many many years ago, probably I
Speaker 2: don't know, five years ago.
Speaker 1: Do you think the majority of the trafficking being as
Speaker 1: far as I could tell them, almost mostly women, was
Speaker 1: that just to serve the proclivities of other wealthy, powerful people.
Speaker 1: Do we have evidence of young boys in any of this?
Speaker 2: There is some evidence of boys, and I think that
Speaker 2: that was Wexner's That's what Wexner preferred, was young boys.
Speaker 2: I mean, he'd my last young girls. He's an evil,
Speaker 2: malignant man. But yeah, I mean there are accounts of boys,
Speaker 2: but they're rare. I think that there was a pedophile
Speaker 2: network out of Chicago that was for writing wexnert with
Speaker 2: little boys. That's that's what I've been told. Have a
Speaker 2: tendency to believe that. But yeah, I think Wexner that
Speaker 2: was his preferences is little boys.
Speaker 1: Now, we've also seen a lot of people talking about
Speaker 1: Peter Nigard, Jean lu Burnell, the modeling fashion world. Of course,
Speaker 1: Wexner connects to that with owning a bunch of the
Speaker 1: brands that we all know from the two thousands. What
Speaker 1: exactly is the connection to the fashion world. Is it
Speaker 1: just looking and scouting out for beautiful women or models
Speaker 1: or is that a cover MC two and it is
Speaker 1: that are being a cover for a way to sort
Speaker 1: of spot underage trafficked people. Is that most likely? What
Speaker 1: that is?
Speaker 2: Oh? Big time yes. And they had a mechanism. According
Speaker 2: to Virginia's You're Free, they had a mechanism, and I
Speaker 2: think I know the person that was part of the mechanism.
Speaker 2: They had a mechanism. They would go to or Burnell
Speaker 2: would go to Eastern Europe and he would buy girls.
Speaker 2: I mean he wouldn't rent girls, he would buy girls.
Speaker 2: And then they had a mechanism that would give them
Speaker 2: visas to allow them into the United States. And absolutely
Speaker 2: there's another aspect of the fashion industry that I've been
Speaker 2: I've really looked into, and now we're just maybe seen
Speaker 2: starting to see some glimpses of it. I knew someone
Speaker 2: that was very high in the occult in New York City,
Speaker 2: and because when I was digging around there was there
Speaker 2: was a very significant occult part of Franklin.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was going to ask about that next with
Speaker 1: that same we go ahead.
Speaker 2: And I was wondering if there was an occult facet
Speaker 2: of Epstein, and because there were so many similarities between
Speaker 2: the two networks, and this individual told me that the
Speaker 2: occult is rife in the modeling industry. And there's that
Speaker 2: temple on Epstein's island that has I suppose someone people
Speaker 2: have postulated that it's a image of malac or a
Speaker 2: sculpture of malac above the door.
Speaker 1: It's like an owl or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that and Moloch was a guy that you
Speaker 2: sacrificed children two. But I, as far as like my
Speaker 2: begging around, I could not find the occult component of Ebstein,
Speaker 2: although the emails are starting to allude to various occult
Speaker 2: aspects of Ebstein.
Speaker 1: So that's one one that popped up a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, and I had the exact same interest. That's
Speaker 1: where I was going to go next, was is there
Speaker 1: a you know, an esoteric occult angle to what he's
Speaker 1: up to. There was apparently what's supposed to be a
Speaker 1: reading list and books that had recently purchased, and there
Speaker 1: was some tantric sex magic text, some other sort of
Speaker 1: weird gnostic type tax that were there, so that if
Speaker 1: that was real, that would suggest a degree of interest
Speaker 1: in sex magic. I think he would definitely be drawn
Speaker 1: to that. But in the Bandon interview, I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting with livestream and commented on the whole thing.
Speaker 1: He seems to hint that elements of cobbalistic ideas, but
Speaker 1: nothing explicit. He says he does find alchemy fascinating. That's
Speaker 1: not a huge deal, but you know, it's just sort
Speaker 1: of touching on the edges of it. Did you see
Speaker 1: his Amazon book list and the stuff that he was purchasing.
Speaker 2: Yes, actually I was ware of the Amazon book list
Speaker 2: a long time ago, and okay, and that kind of
Speaker 2: indicated Yeah, definitely the occult you I saw that you
Speaker 2: had tweeted about this. I think she was a victim
Speaker 2: that where she said that she when she when she
Speaker 2: was in a lot of pains, she thought of Jesus
Speaker 2: and it helped her.
Speaker 1: Oh, the one where they were talking about being in
Speaker 1: the bed and then they told the little girl, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jesus won't help you. And then somebody said you should
Speaker 1: dress up as Jesus next time.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that you would call that satanic, And I
Speaker 2: mean that's very, very very dark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just but to put together the specifics,
Speaker 1: I mean, actual proof. It's still a little iffy. But
Speaker 1: I'm curious though about Zora Ranch, because what do you
Speaker 1: think that was a sort of a John of God
Speaker 1: style operation. I'm sure you've heard of that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: sort of baby farming, brooding brood operation that got shut down.
Speaker 1: He was closely associated with Oprah, who promoted him quite
Speaker 1: a bit. I saw a lot of parallels between what
Speaker 1: perhaps Epstein was trying to do with Zora Ranch. What's
Speaker 1: the skinny on Zoro Ranch? Is it also a sort
Speaker 1: of a mad scientist lab where he wants to experiment
Speaker 1: with genetics and in some form of transhumanism. Is that
Speaker 1: what that is?
Speaker 2: Yes? Now, there was a Epstein victim who is a
Speaker 2: very street woman, which she's very damaged, and she said
Speaker 2: that she went unconscious and then came to and what
Speaker 2: she thought was a laboratory underneath or a ranch, and
Speaker 2: there was a woman doctor harvesting her obums. But she's
Speaker 2: also said some other things that are kind of out there,
Speaker 2: so it's difficult to know. But if you look at
Speaker 2: the emails, Epstein is heavily involved in eugenics and cloning
Speaker 2: and cloning, isn't that difficult. When Dolly the sheep was cloned,
Speaker 2: it's to clone someone or something, a living being. All
Speaker 2: you got to do is get an ovum, take the
Speaker 2: DNA out of the oven, which is relatively easy, insert
Speaker 2: the DNA that you want into the ovum, and then
Speaker 2: given an electrical charge, and then sometimes it starts the
Speaker 2: mitosis process and the cell stairs, and sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 2: But it's relatively easy to clone. There are people in
Speaker 2: New York City that are cloning their French bulldogs and
Speaker 2: I kind of look at French I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: have anything to get the French. I don't have anything
Speaker 2: as bulldogs, but I kind of look at French bulldogs
Speaker 2: kind of little creatures. I don't know why someone that's
Speaker 2: been sixty five thousand dollars, but anyway, that's my own prejudice,
Speaker 2: but I think you can go on a human for
Speaker 2: about one point five million dollars. And I firmly believe
Speaker 2: that Jeffrey Epstein was cloning himself. One of the reasons
Speaker 2: why Virginia ji Free got out, well, there were a
Speaker 2: couple of reasons that E'mstein and Maxwell wanted to impregnate her.
Speaker 2: And but before that, she was sent to Thailand to
Speaker 2: pick up and bring her back to the US. And
Speaker 2: when I mean young, I'm talking about a minor, very
Speaker 2: young miner. And she met her who would become her boyfriend,
Speaker 2: who was on vacation in Thailand, and then they got
Speaker 2: married like a week later, and then she moved to
Speaker 2: back to Australia where he lived and she just got out.
Speaker 2: But and then there's these other accounts too, and then
Speaker 2: the Brian Bishop emails of cloning. You could tell that
Speaker 2: here's a guy that was really in the clone and
Speaker 2: Epstein and the emails is saying he's going to subsidize Bishop.
Speaker 2: So I believe that was definitely part of the transhumanism,
Speaker 2: definitely part of the gold. There's that one email where, ah,
Speaker 2: you can't think of his name. He's a pretty renowned researcher,
Speaker 2: and he's talking about giving baby male babies hormone blockers
Speaker 2: and giving babies cover that one now, yeah, and basically
Speaker 2: creating hermaphrodites, right, and he thought that that would just
Speaker 2: be the greatest thing in the world, that he'd create
Speaker 2: these very sexy her I guess that there are a
Speaker 2: subgenus of humans that like hermaphrodites. I don't know, I've
Speaker 2: never really.
Speaker 1: Now in regard to the sort of mad science domain
Speaker 1: of this, we saw also some odd emails of a guy.
Speaker 1: His name was like you y you you go or
Speaker 1: something else, and that one seemed to speak of him
Speaker 1: sort of spotting a girl that could be a potential
Speaker 1: subject that Jeffrey could use because she had undergone ritual abuse,
Speaker 1: sexual abuse, or trauma. Perhaps Jeffrey could look into this
Speaker 1: and use her because she was at stage three of
Speaker 1: the process. What did you mean?
Speaker 2: I really, I mean that reach of mind control to me,
Speaker 2: And I've got an mk A document. I think it's
Speaker 2: Subproject one where it's talked about using electroshock drugs hypnosis
Speaker 2: to induce small old personality and ultimately and ultimately side.
Speaker 2: And I believe that our government, I mean remote viewing,
Speaker 2: which was above ground for twenty years or so, is
Speaker 2: just about psychic abilities. I mean it's called remote viewing
Speaker 2: to give it some kind of tangible right explanation. But
Speaker 2: I believe that remote viewing is alive and well it
Speaker 2: just went underground.
Speaker 1: And probably that email is referring to sending her to
Speaker 1: Jeffrey because and this is something I noticed to it.
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing you didn't cover this. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: a lot of other people mentioning. We had a few
Speaker 1: royals and elites offering up their children. There was one
Speaker 1: of the daughters of Sophia, I want to say, of
Speaker 1: den Mark or Bulgaria for you where it was. But
Speaker 1: they were basically saying, hey, jeff here's a here's our daughter.
Speaker 1: What do you think of her? Could you use her? Right?
Speaker 1: And then the princess of the Prince of Norway was
Speaker 1: talking about her son. There's too there's two different ones.
Speaker 1: She's talking about her son saying, hey, jeff could you
Speaker 1: give me parenting advice on my son? You know so?
Speaker 1: And then she wanted perhaps to have a baby with Jeffrey.
Speaker 1: So they it's almost like the the global elites looked
Speaker 1: to him as a king maker kind of person, even
Speaker 1: for your for your offspring perhaps or even having offspring
Speaker 1: with him. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. You can certainly extrapolate that. That's
Speaker 2: what those emails allude to. For sure. It's it's such
Speaker 2: a different way of thinking. That's strata. Now it's being
Speaker 2: called the Epstein class you ever Readthorsting Bedlin's The Leisure Class.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a classic. And Epstein called the book
Speaker 2: is called the Leisure Class, and he comments on how
Speaker 2: the leisure class or how the aristocrats are just much
Speaker 2: more predatory. And he looks at all different types of
Speaker 2: cultures and he shows that people that that are affluent
Speaker 2: are much more predatory than people in the society that
Speaker 2: that not and I and we're seeing that with these
Speaker 2: with these Epstein emails, that there is a strata of
Speaker 2: our society that is very predatory. And really I think
Speaker 2: could care less about what we as mere mortals think.
Speaker 2: They believe that they're living a mon.
Speaker 1: Olympus, right right, yeah, I mean quickly. Even at the
Speaker 1: end of his trait and Hoe talks about it. He
Speaker 1: talks about that difference between the norms and you know
Speaker 1: that's so called elite class, and that you know that
Speaker 1: that's why they send their children to boarding school. They
Speaker 1: have you know, nannies because they don't want the child
Speaker 1: to have the attention and you know, nourishment that a
Speaker 1: mom gives, and because it tends to kind of create
Speaker 1: a more of a psychopathic tendency, which they think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's what you need to be a leader, is to
Speaker 1: be a total psychopath. So that that's interesting to see
Speaker 1: that kind of be confirmed in the emails and more
Speaker 1: emails that stood out to you as surprising or making
Speaker 1: connections that you didn't expect. Oh, this one. Want to
Speaker 1: get your take on this, because I found this very
Speaker 1: fascinating because I've read quite a bit on the abuse
Speaker 1: subjects within the Roman Catholic world. And we saw one
Speaker 1: email of a person referring back to a time when
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein lived at the Vatican for some unspecified time.
Speaker 1: In that email, it's discussed that they had conversation with
Speaker 1: John Paul about architecture and columns. Many people were saying, well,
Speaker 1: we can't really prove that he was talking there a
Speaker 1: little in there. However, we do know that he was
Speaker 1: there in a picture with just laying being blessed by
Speaker 1: John Paul the Second. We know John Paul the Second
Speaker 1: also gave a high level papal knighthood award to procure
Speaker 1: criminal Jimmy Savile. And then we have another email where
Speaker 1: it's alleged I think Epstein says that John Paul the
Speaker 1: Second gave him some piece of architectural something that he
Speaker 1: put on ceiling. He seems to know the inner workings
Speaker 1: of the Vatican Bank pretty well. So what did you make?
Speaker 1: And then he's also organizing flights for Pope Francis it seems,
Speaker 1: so what do you make of the Vatican angle? Is
Speaker 1: this all much to do about nothing? Is there actually
Speaker 1: something there? What's your take on that?
Speaker 2: Well, if you're gonna launder money, the Vatican Bank is
Speaker 2: the go to bank.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he says.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's no oversight with the Vatican Bank. The
Speaker 2: Vatican is its own country. There was that scandal with
Speaker 2: Bishop Marcinkus, whoever saw the.
Speaker 1: Vatican you exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and P two Lodge, And I think that why
Speaker 2: would these people stop using the Vatican Bank? I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean Marcinkus retired and he I believe he ended
Speaker 2: up in Arizona. But nothing ever happened to him. I mean,
Speaker 2: the whole thing was quashed. Not too many, not a
Speaker 2: lot of people know about except for you guys like
Speaker 2: you and me that read books about Gladio and things
Speaker 2: like that. So I don't have a problem believing that
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Amstein, and given his connection to all these banks
Speaker 2: that the Vatican make is probably still being used to
Speaker 2: launder money or whatever. I mean, who knows.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Do you think that him knowing
Speaker 1: and having a degree of relationship or closeness with John
Speaker 1: Paul the second is that legitimate? Do you think he
Speaker 1: was just kind of ragging about himself, puffing up something
Speaker 1: that wasn't there? What's your your sense on that one.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but I do believe that
Speaker 2: these emails might bore this out, that he had some
Speaker 2: kind of relationship with the Vatican Bank. That makes the
Speaker 2: most sense to me. I mean, I believe that he
Speaker 2: was an atheist. He was Jewish culturally, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: that he looked at Catholicism as a fairy tale. Sure
Speaker 2: the Vatican Bank is very very real.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, absolutely, Now, speaking of that atheism angle, did
Speaker 1: you find did you see the Bannon interview? Did you
Speaker 1: find any of those comments interesting? When he's talking about
Speaker 1: reality being something that we project from our mind and
Speaker 1: it's all code and mathematics, and you got these other
Speaker 1: emails where he's talking about dimensions, Well, what did you
Speaker 1: make of those sort of speculative topics in the emails?
Speaker 1: And the band in interview.
Speaker 2: It's very strange. I mean, in some of those emails
Speaker 2: he's talking about metaphysics. I don't, you know, it's hard
Speaker 2: to say because usually people that are atheists don't really
Speaker 2: believe in extrasensory perception and things like that. Right, So
Speaker 2: it's really difficult to know what Epstein believed, other than.
Speaker 1: When Bannon asked him about the soul, right, and they
Speaker 1: have that weird exchange about the soul, and he says
Speaker 1: something like, well, look that we don't have we can't
Speaker 1: quantify the soul, but there's all these things in physics
Speaker 1: that you can't quantify, like quarks, and the soul is
Speaker 1: kind of like a quark or so it's a really
Speaker 1: it's almost like he was taking a lot of the
Speaker 1: new physics and that kind of stuff and just sort
Speaker 1: of positing that maybe religion and all that is just
Speaker 1: what that field of physics is describing is the way
Speaker 1: I understood it.
Speaker 2: That of physics. It's it's difficult to know what Ebstein believe.
Speaker 2: There's some talk of metaphysics. There is some talk of
Speaker 2: extra sense or giftedness with that the woman that the
Speaker 2: girl or woman that's in stage three but most hardcore
Speaker 2: atheists that I know have a real hard time embracing
Speaker 2: even psychic ability, right, because that would entail some kind
Speaker 2: of metaphysical interconnectedness, Right. I would really like to find
Speaker 2: out whether or not he was really down with the
Speaker 2: occult that would That's been something I've been looking into
Speaker 2: for a long time, and hopefully we can get some
Speaker 2: more answers from these emails.
Speaker 1: What about the You know, we've covered a lot of
Speaker 1: different angles here. I don't know what your time of
Speaker 1: frame here is for for discussion, but what about Okay,
Speaker 1: international finance. This is another topic that I think is
Speaker 1: overlooked because you know, it's kind of mysterious, and we
Speaker 1: mentioned the Vatican Bank and and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But one thing that struck me as odd was Number one.
Speaker 1: It seems like he's explaining to Larry Summers. You would
Speaker 1: you would think is a sort of a Harvard bankster
Speaker 1: Clinton era guy. He would know about international banking and
Speaker 1: perhaps the Vatican Bank. He seems to be explaining how
Speaker 1: that works to Larry Summers when he mentions at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the band An interview, he says that, yeah,
Speaker 1: fractional reserve banking and abandon seems to be kind of
Speaker 1: again mystified as to what exactly they're discussing. Why does
Speaker 1: this matter? Why did that get you recruited into, you know,
Speaker 1: the circles of Kissinger and Rockefeller. You know that. So
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people speculated too that another
Speaker 1: reason that there might have been an attempt to sort
Speaker 1: of cover up and suppress this latest trunks coming out
Speaker 1: would be due to actually money laundering and money scandals
Speaker 1: that could perhaps bring down the Western economy. Who knows
Speaker 1: exactly whether that's the case or what that means, but
Speaker 1: it looks like there's a shadow banking sort of thing
Speaker 1: going on here. And we noticed between him and Orienta
Speaker 1: de Rothschild, the various emails that they have discussing these
Speaker 1: topics that it's almost like they see conflicts and all
Speaker 1: these situations as a totally different way of gaming the market,
Speaker 1: shorting the market based on advanced intelligence. I thought that
Speaker 1: was funny because when I went back and looked at
Speaker 1: the Morton authorized barca of the Rothschild's, they brag about
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, two hundred years ago at Waterloo,
Speaker 1: they had advanced intelligence. And so here's the Jeffery epste
Speaker 1: two undred years ish later basically doing the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have upupdated intelligence. We short the market. All the
Speaker 1: normies and the guiyam they you know, they go on
Speaker 1: the basis of what the real world says. We have
Speaker 1: the inside information. I thought that was really insightful as
Speaker 1: the way the way that the predatory class actually operate well.
Speaker 2: Fractional reserve banking is kind of a scam. I think
Speaker 2: we both would probably agree on that. With Epstein. Where
Speaker 2: you really get insight into Epstein is the emails. There
Speaker 2: was a Middle East hacking group that got three years
Speaker 2: worth of emails between Epstein and Hue Barock, and those
Speaker 2: emails are really talent because it's Epstein and a Hubbarock
Speaker 2: putting together arms deals first from Mongolia and then they
Speaker 2: sold like a Big Brother surveillance system to a couple
Speaker 2: of African dictators. And Epstein they're talking about these troubled
Speaker 2: areas in the world and Epstein tells who Barack, Well,
Speaker 2: this is where we can make some money. We could
Speaker 2: sell them arms, which is and Epstein had been in
Speaker 2: the arms business going way back after he left Baris Stearns.
Speaker 2: He got into the arms business so I think that
Speaker 2: that was just one of the many fingers that he
Speaker 2: had in the big pie.
Speaker 1: Do you think that would have been a major reason
Speaker 1: to try to shut it down? I mean, obviously people
Speaker 1: don't want to have their private proclivities exposed and that
Speaker 1: kind of blackmail type stuff. But is there was there
Speaker 1: a real danger that the international market scam complex would
Speaker 1: be taken down? Or was that an excuse to try
Speaker 1: to cover up and to not have the files released.
Speaker 2: I think that there are multiple reasons why we're having
Speaker 2: difficulties getting the other three million files, and international banking
Speaker 2: could be one of them. I think Epstein's various connections
Speaker 2: with intelligence agencies could be one of them. I think
Speaker 2: that some of the people that would be named could
Speaker 2: be one of them. But the Trump administration has not
Speaker 2: lived up to the letter of the law of the
Speaker 2: Epstein Transparency Act. We should have gotten all those emails
Speaker 2: and those names. All those names shouldn't be redacted. So
Speaker 2: the Trump administration is want this tooth and nail. But
Speaker 2: I will say this, I'm kind of amazed about the
Speaker 2: information that's come out with this latest trench. But the
Speaker 2: thing is people are just going down wormholes with it.
Speaker 2: We have to take this information and we can change
Speaker 2: our government because of this information. And I think that
Speaker 2: that is one thing that I think Americans. I think
Speaker 2: there's two things that make Americans kind of despondent. I
Speaker 2: think that they've been divided and conquered with the right
Speaker 2: left paradigm. The left thanks the rights men leel the
Speaker 2: right things, the left men le ill, and it's just
Speaker 2: a very easy to bide and conquer. And then I
Speaker 2: think Americans have been conditioned to think that they really
Speaker 2: can't affect change. And when you superimpose those two trends,
Speaker 2: you end up with what we have now, which is
Speaker 2: not helping Americans. And a lot of Americans are in
Speaker 2: a lot of trouble financially, just trying to support themselves.
Speaker 2: Kids today that get out of college, they're heavily in debt.
Speaker 2: They're never going to be able to buy a house, right.
Speaker 2: And the rich keep getting richer before to keep getting poorer.
Speaker 2: And that's really been escalating since the plague. And we
Speaker 2: as Americans, and the reason why is because our government's
Speaker 2: a sewer and we have a chance now to clean
Speaker 2: out the sewer. We really do. We know that a
Speaker 2: lot of our politicians are compromised. We know that Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein at all compromise and number them. And there's three
Speaker 2: things that our politicians have. They've got arrogance, which makes
Speaker 2: people stupid. They've got lust, which makes people stupid. And
Speaker 2: they've got greed, which makes people stupid. And when you're
Speaker 2: speaking of alchemy, if you combine those three you get
Speaker 2: very very smart people being very very stupid. Bill Clinton
Speaker 2: comes to mind immediately. So what we need and the
Speaker 2: only way that we're going to be able to get
Speaker 2: to the bottom of this is Epstein Justice, this organization
Speaker 2: that I'm part of. What we need is an independent
Speaker 2: congressional commission. And an independent congressional commission is very different
Speaker 2: than other congressional investigations because it does not require a
Speaker 2: signature from the president. It just requires a majority in
Speaker 2: the House and a majority in the Senate. And with
Speaker 2: independent congressional commissions, oftentimes non government personnel are incorporated, or
Speaker 2: the entire investigation it's farmed out to non government personnel.
Speaker 2: And that's what we're going to need because if the well,
Speaker 2: I mean now the Trump administration, which is being really
Speaker 2: disingenmous saying that there's that Epstein had no co conspirators,
Speaker 2: which I mean, they must really think we're stupid. But
Speaker 2: we need that independent Congressional commission. It's going to be
Speaker 2: our only shot to clean out and I think that
Speaker 2: this will be the best chance in our lifetimes to
Speaker 2: clean out our government. And it might be the best
Speaker 2: chance in our lifetime to clean out our government before
Speaker 2: it takes it off a cliff, before our leaders take
Speaker 2: us off a cliff, because I think that that's where
Speaker 2: we're heading.
Speaker 1: You mentioned a while back, oh, people should look out
Speaker 1: at Franklin scandal. There. That's the book that the Nick
Speaker 1: has put out where you were going to do an
Speaker 1: Epstein book. I'm assuming that maybe I had to put
Speaker 1: a little pause on it given all this new information.
Speaker 1: Are you still doing an Epstein book.
Speaker 2: I'm still working on an Epstein book. I've got probably
Speaker 2: forty thousand words. Yeah. I thought about writing Epstein book
Speaker 2: ten years ago. If I'd written an Epstein book ten
Speaker 2: years ago, you have to redo it, yeah, completely. But
Speaker 2: I'm I really want to write a definitive Epstein book.
Speaker 2: The books that have come out about Epstein have been
Speaker 2: extremely shallow, and if I'm going to be generous, I
Speaker 2: would call them extremely shallow. But because I've been kind
Speaker 2: of at the ground floor of Epstein since since twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: and I've made a lot of connections in this world.
Speaker 2: I mean, I made them with Franklin, but I've also
Speaker 2: made them with Epstein too. I think that I could
Speaker 2: run a very good book on Jeffrey Epstein at this point,
Speaker 2: or Jeffrey Epstein at all at this point.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, Nick, I really appreciate you coming on, And
Speaker 1: of course people can check out your links and your information.
Speaker 1: I'll have them in the show description below, and any
Speaker 1: other things you want to plug, like the Justice for
Speaker 1: Epstein Victim's website or anything like that. Future projects. What
Speaker 1: do you got coming up next?
Speaker 2: The most important thing in my life right now is
Speaker 2: Epstein Justice. So I would suggest that your audience for
Speaker 2: the Epstein Justice dot com. It's very funny I talk
Speaker 2: about Epstein Justice, I talk about an independent Congressional Commissioner.
Speaker 2: We've given this a lot of thought, and we're organizing
Speaker 2: people by state to put pressure on their federal legislators.
Speaker 2: And I'll give an email, I'll give an interview like
Speaker 2: the interview that I just gave you, and then comments
Speaker 2: in the conversations, they'll be how can we do anything
Speaker 2: about this after I've explained it? So I mean, and
Speaker 2: that is what I've talked about earlier, that the superimposing
Speaker 2: between the right and the left and American thinking they
Speaker 2: can condition to change, but we can. It's up to us.
Speaker 2: And I think that we need to affect change because
Speaker 2: this is going to be our best opportunity. As I said,
Speaker 2: our leaders are going to take us off a cliff
Speaker 2: and before they do that, we have the ability right
Speaker 2: now to make some substantial changes. All right.
Speaker 1: The book is Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant, and of
Speaker 1: course he is a veteran when it comes to the
Speaker 1: Epstein subject matter. Nick, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on and I look forward to future conversations.
Speaker 2: Great to be Ruth, you Jay