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<v Speaker 1>All right, welcome to Jasonallis. Of course, we discussed a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these issues about a year or two ago

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<v Speaker 1>with Nick Bryant. He's also published by my publisher. His

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<v Speaker 1>book is The Franklin Scandal. My books are SSR, Hollywood one, two,

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<v Speaker 1>and three. That is Trying Day and Nick joins us

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<v Speaker 1>today to talk about the new Epstein files, all of

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<v Speaker 1>the recent information coming out on a daily, minute by

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<v Speaker 1>minute basis. Everything gets crazy every minute. There's some new

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<v Speaker 1>wild email that five years ago, ten years ago would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a week long news story. Well, it's minute

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<v Speaker 1>by minute now. So Nick joins us. He is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first to deal with this issue via the

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<v Speaker 1>Gawker publication of The Black Book of jeff Sinon mceffrey

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<v Speaker 1>or Jeffrey as we say over here, Nick, what's up

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<v Speaker 1>and tell us about your background.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to see. How's my favorite stand up comic philosopher

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<v Speaker 2>Eastern Orthodox Christion.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not technically doing a lot of stand up yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but I am writing for comedee and so we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Just keep that in mind, and you're aspiring. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on the Epstein beat since twenty eleven, and

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<v Speaker 2>I acquired his Black Book in October of twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>And Epstein has under euphemistically, he has massages and under

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<v Speaker 2>massages are a lot of the victims. And there's massage Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>there's massage New Mexico. There's a massage LA there's a

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<v Speaker 2>massage in New York. And I started calling those numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first call was kind of strange because I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to the mother of an Epstein victim and

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<v Speaker 2>she was in the room. The victim was, but the

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<v Speaker 2>mother was doing the talking, and I just said, my

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<v Speaker 2>name's Nick Brian, I'm a journalist and I'm looking into

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<v Speaker 2>the Jeffrey Epstein trafficking network. And I was wondering, your

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<v Speaker 2>daughter trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein, and she said, well, she'd been.

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<v Speaker 2>He had sexually abused her since she was thirteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my first call, and then my second

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<v Speaker 2>call was with a woman who'd been flown to different states.

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<v Speaker 2>And then my third call was with a woman who'd

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<v Speaker 2>been flown to an island, and we really didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>about the island at that point. We didn't know about

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<v Speaker 2>Orgy Island. So once I had that nailed down. I

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<v Speaker 2>felt when I went down there, there were accounts of

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein molesting multiple underage girls, and there was a

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<v Speaker 2>grand jury that said he hadn't molested a single underage girl.

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<v Speaker 2>And I saw that with the Franklin scandal, where there

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<v Speaker 2>were actually two corrupt grand juries, and the Franklin network

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<v Speaker 2>was a huge network. I think it was actually bigger

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<v Speaker 2>than Epstein's. It wasn't as around as long as Epstein's,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it was probably bigger. And those two

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<v Speaker 2>grand juries declared that not a single chief had been abused.

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<v Speaker 2>So I saw the compatibility between the two, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I went down to Florida, and I eventually started

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<v Speaker 2>calling Epstein's inner circle, and I just wanted to see

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<v Speaker 2>what they would say. None of them pick up except

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<v Speaker 2>for Sarah Kellen, who is the right hand woman of

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<v Speaker 2>Gallinne Maxwell, the henchwoman of Gallainne Maxwell, who led hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of lambs to the slaughter and asked the evil woman.

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<v Speaker 2>And I started to talk to her, and she said

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<v Speaker 2>how unfairly the media had treated her. She was commiserating

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<v Speaker 2>about how unfairly she'd been treated by the media, and

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<v Speaker 2>I did not share that attitude with her, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I might have expressed myself a little bit, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the conversation got brought to a quick cessation. And

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<v Speaker 2>then all these years later, these email else are coming

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<v Speaker 2>out and there's a center. Her name or his name

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<v Speaker 2>is redacted, but it goes to all of Epstein's inner circle,

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<v Speaker 2>and it said there's a journalist named Nick Bryant who

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<v Speaker 2>is down here looking around and everybody has their quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote be aware of him. And then they had a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of me in the email. And there were two

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<v Speaker 2>more emails where Epstein was supposed to call me once

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<v Speaker 2>it alarm, JE called Nick Bryant. So apparently leaving all

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<v Speaker 2>those messages for the inner circlet, uh got my they

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<v Speaker 2>got my attention, or I got their attention.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. I mean, you know, you've been on this

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<v Speaker 1>case for a long time, and it's it's neat to see.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's neat. Maybe it's ominous on it, but interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating to see that they did have tabs on quite

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<v Speaker 1>a few people. But you know, you you clearly played

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<v Speaker 1>a central role and who needed to be watched and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps you know, who knows what do you think they

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<v Speaker 1>would have perhaps looked at legal action. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>they were wanted to smear you or do you know

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<v Speaker 1>that they had any did they have any kind of reprisal?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what their intent was. I took a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of harassment when I wrote the Franklin Scandal, including

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<v Speaker 2>the death threat, So there were a number of things

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<v Speaker 2>that were thrown at me, and I'm sure I'm rather

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<v Speaker 2>ub to, so I'm sure that there were a number

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<v Speaker 2>of other threats that I just didn't pick up on.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, there is one thing that was strange. Shortly

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<v Speaker 2>after my visit to Florida, my mail was blatantly opened,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean blatantly, and I had no idea because I

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<v Speaker 2>was also at that point I was working on a

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<v Speaker 2>book called Confessions of a DC Man in the Politics

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<v Speaker 2>and Sexualizing Blackmail, and it was about a guy ran

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<v Speaker 2>a gay escort service in DC and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Henry Vn. I have that text.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Henry and I were going to start working

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<v Speaker 2>on that book. So it could have been an aggregate

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<v Speaker 2>of those things, or it just could have been Ebstein.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this recent trunch that's come out here, I've covered

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<v Speaker 1>it pretty consistently for the last twelve thirteen days, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's been insane, a lot of different avenues to go down.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, let's talk about maybe some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that surprised you. There were definitely things that surprised me,

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I didn't expect. I'm sure you've been following this

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<v Speaker 1>case longer than I have, so you have maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger bird's eye view of this. But what are some

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that immediately stood out that shocked you

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<v Speaker 1>or surprised you? And then I also want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some of the more speculative, salacious types of things,

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<v Speaker 1>the weird food terminology. You want to get your take

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<v Speaker 1>on that. But what's the thing, What are some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that surprised you.

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<v Speaker 2>First, I've been at this for a long time. I

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<v Speaker 2>started investigating Franklin in two thousand and two, two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and three, and those pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spencer,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they were evil guys, and I always wondered,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're a human trafficker, a child trafficker,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a vicious individual, and chances are you're a psychopath.

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<v Speaker 2>So I never had any illusion about Epstein and Maxwell

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<v Speaker 2>being psychopaths. But there was a couple that just kicked

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<v Speaker 2>me in the gut. I mean really kicked me in

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<v Speaker 2>the gut. The UCLA neuroscientist who has an MD and

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<v Speaker 2>abuse and he writes to Ebstein about how to enhance

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<v Speaker 2>a baby's a baby's infants sucking ability. I after all,

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<v Speaker 2>I've spoken at anti trafficking conferences, I've talked to scores

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<v Speaker 2>of victims, and I'm aware of the most evil thing

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<v Speaker 2>things done to children. But that one got me. That

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<v Speaker 2>one got me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was that was hard to you, hard to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with him.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess doctor Tramo is not getting his contract

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<v Speaker 2>at UCLA, which is a very good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've seen several prime ministers and un types sort

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<v Speaker 1>of step down, even some CEOs supposedly stepping down. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably just go into some other cushy position. But what

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<v Speaker 1>about did you have a I know you probably did

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<v Speaker 1>from the Franklin information. But one thing that surprised me was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'd followed and read books on Epstein over

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<v Speaker 1>the years and looked into it to a decent degree,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was a little bit surprised at the international

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<v Speaker 1>scope of a lot of the Epstein emails, in particularly

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<v Speaker 1>regard to first or second day people had dug up

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<v Speaker 1>plans where he had to meet. He was going to

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<v Speaker 1>meet with like fifteen different world leaders, heads of state.

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<v Speaker 1>He's talking about the Greek deck crisis and profiting from that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's talking about the vat Can Bank to Larry Summers,

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<v Speaker 1>how it works, inner workings of that. He's talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Ariandre Rothschald about you know, the Ukraine and making money

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<v Speaker 1>from that when when there's a you know, chaos desabilization there.

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<v Speaker 1>He talks about Somalia and you know, plundering the resources.

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<v Speaker 1>So stuff that's pretty international in scope. Was that surprising

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<v Speaker 1>at all to you? Or did you already kind of

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<v Speaker 1>figure it was already international.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it was international. I didn't think that he

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<v Speaker 2>had the connections to various prime ministers that he did.

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<v Speaker 2>That that surprised me. That he could tap into just

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<v Speaker 2>about any country's power brokers, that is one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>surprised me. I knew that he was pandering these young

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<v Speaker 2>girls to various people in Europe. I had no doubt

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<v Speaker 2>about that. But yeah, just his international connections. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein was a very talented guy. He was good

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<v Speaker 2>at trafficking underage girls. He was good at laundry money,

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<v Speaker 2>he was good at putting together arms deals. If I

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<v Speaker 2>was Team Evil and I had a first round draft pick,

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<v Speaker 2>I would pick Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, Jeffrey. If your

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<v Speaker 2>Team Evil, Jeffrey Ebstey might be the overall first round pick.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a long time yeah, yeah, you're a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>an expert on this. I want to get your take

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<v Speaker 1>my assessment. I want you to tell me how correct

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<v Speaker 1>that was in this. My assessment was, he seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of like a PhD in organized crime. He's

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<v Speaker 1>really good at networking, synthesizing, and putting together different things

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<v Speaker 1>at you know, multiple different disciplines or criminal operations. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could say, is he like a criminal operations expert?

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<v Speaker 2>He is, But he also had that get out of

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<v Speaker 2>jail free card too, and a lot of criminal masterminds

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<v Speaker 2>don't have that get out of jail free card. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's what differentiated Jeffrey Epstein from a number of high

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<v Speaker 2>class criminals that we know about. And Jeffrey didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to worry about law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say that that untouchable status again probably has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with working at intelligence or above intelligence levels

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<v Speaker 1>via Trilateral Commission that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, he was definitely plug into the Trailae permission

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<v Speaker 2>and other organizations. But I believe and I've always people

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<v Speaker 2>say he's working for Israelian intelligence, and I always have

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<v Speaker 2>maintained and actually.

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<v Speaker 1>The Internet you're cutting out there for a second. Internet

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<v Speaker 1>was sometimes this happens. I don't think it's a conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>But Nick, hold on a second, you cut out just

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<v Speaker 1>for a second. It's just Internet. It's not conspiracy or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. Go ahead. And so you've always maintained what.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I've always made attained that Jeffrey Epstein was. People

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<v Speaker 2>have said that he was working for the Massad, and

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<v Speaker 2>I disagree with that. I mean, he very well might

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<v Speaker 2>have been working with the Massad, but I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>see the dark side of the CIA getting letting the

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<v Speaker 2>dark side of the massade compromise American politicians on Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>So without getting a cut of that intelligence, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that that two have worked together.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, is it possible that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a sort of a he worked for different intelligence operations.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a tendency to think that it was primarily

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli an American. He very well might have worked for

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<v Speaker 2>other intelligence agencies. You've got a guy like Robert Maxwell

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<v Speaker 2>who's working for a number of different intelligence agencies. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think Epstein was primarily getting his protection, and a

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<v Speaker 2>guy like that needs protection from the Israelis and then

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<v Speaker 2>the Americans. And when that sweetheart deal was made, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is something I didn't know. There was a grand

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<v Speaker 2>jury that was impaneled in two thousand and seven, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that it had been adjourned very quickly, or

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even know if it had been paneled. And

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<v Speaker 2>now we know that there was a grand jury impaneled

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<v Speaker 2>and that there was an investigation, and that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a sixty count indictment that was ready to be slapped

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<v Speaker 2>down on Epstein, and count fifty one was child trafficking,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a heavy sentence in the federal system. It's

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen a life. So with Epstein, the Feds, the Southern

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<v Speaker 2>District of Florida, Alexander A. Coosta, they were ready to

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<v Speaker 2>prosecute him, and they would have put him away forever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you where the power comes from. In

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<v Speaker 2>that situation, he was given a sweetheart deal. He had

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<v Speaker 2>to do thirteen months in a county jail, and all

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<v Speaker 2>his co conspiras were given immunity. Now, Alexander Acrosta as

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<v Speaker 2>a US there's only two people in the government that

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<v Speaker 2>can tell a US attorney to stand down. One is

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<v Speaker 2>the Attorney General and one is the president. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>way that Alexander A Consta as a US attorney is

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<v Speaker 2>going to unilaterally cover up a pedophile network. And they

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<v Speaker 2>had a list, They had a list of thirty six victims,

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<v Speaker 2>but they knew of forty underage victims. Alexander A Consta

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<v Speaker 2>is going to do that. And Alberto Gonzalez was the

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney General at that point. And there's no way Alberto

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<v Speaker 2>Gonzdallas is going to go out and a lemon cover

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<v Speaker 2>up a nationwide pedophon network without his boss telling him too.

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<v Speaker 2>And his boss was George Bush too, the cognitively challenged

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<v Speaker 2>George Bush. And so that emanated from the highest apex

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<v Speaker 2>of the American political structure, the president. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see Bush two making sure that Epstein has that lenient

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<v Speaker 2>deal if he's not working with the CIA. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my take on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, also too, I saw several I think we all

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<v Speaker 1>know about Prince Andrew and all that. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>there's potentially British intelligence connection. I'm thinking there were those

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<v Speaker 1>interesting pictures of Epstein having photographs of old news stories

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<v Speaker 1>from London Telegraph and other publications, the Independent that Princess

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<v Speaker 1>Diana had gotten divorced, and so there was this article

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<v Speaker 1>alleging that they had met, and some people were speculating

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe that he was wanting to have a liaison

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<v Speaker 1>or wanting to get with Princess die That was more speculation.

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<v Speaker 1>But we have the Prince Andrew. You know, those circles

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<v Speaker 1>are really well established. Do you think there's also British

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence angle to this? With five Eyes and sharing and

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence in the West.

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<v Speaker 2>It's entirely possible. From what I have gleaned. The three

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<v Speaker 2>countries that do the most blackmailing and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm giving them in the right order, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, It's UK, and it's Israel. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think Russia is far behind them, but that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I've been told. And again I'm sure that wherever Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>went he was compromising people. I've got no doubts about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So and he spent a lot of time in the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>and actually I think he was more open in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the US. He actually there was an amazing article

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<v Speaker 2>written about Epstein and Maxwell and the Pedophile formerly known

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<v Speaker 2>as Prince Andrew and the Evening Standard. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was two thousand and one. It was Nigel Rosser, who's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty accomplished British journalist, and he talked about Epstein,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Epstein said that he was with the CIA

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<v Speaker 2>on various occasions, but then at this point he was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of walking that back. And there were some other

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<v Speaker 2>interesting things in that article too. It said Roger Rosser

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<v Speaker 2>vote that Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein were doing business

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen nineties, said that Epstein was doing business

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<v Speaker 2>with Gates and Waxner and Trump in the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know that the mainstream media has maintained that

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<v Speaker 2>Gates met Epstein in twenty eleven, but according to this article,

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<v Speaker 2>they had met much earlier. And just about everything that

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<v Speaker 2>the mainstream media has manufactured about the Epstein case has

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<v Speaker 2>been pretty disingenuous. So I would have a tendency to

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<v Speaker 2>believe the Evening Standard article over the mainstream media in

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<v Speaker 2>our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I think there's interesting parallels with Jimmy Savile.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another case ELM guest House. You know that bears

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<v Speaker 1>parallels to what you've covered with Franklin and Craig Spence

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<v Speaker 1>and people like that, with the blackmail angle, and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people forget the weapons arms trafficking stuff, which

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney Webb talks about that early on in her book

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<v Speaker 1>in regard to addenan koshogi who seems to have had

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<v Speaker 1>kind of this international, high level ability to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>anybody under perhaps the purview of American and Israeli intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Kashowgi was Saudi, right, So, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>had his yacht fitted out to also record people, according

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<v Speaker 1>to Whitney Webb in the first couple of chapters of

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<v Speaker 1>her books, So we see these patterns of of the

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<v Speaker 1>places fitted to you know, capture blackmail. Is it true

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<v Speaker 1>that the Epstein estates I saw people alleging this? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's true that they had cameras pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>set up everywhere? Did you were able to confirm that

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<v Speaker 1>so that we were pretty sure that it was blackmail?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? All his homes were wired for audiovision blackmail?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it? I saw an email saying or a report

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<v Speaker 1>saying that Ehod Barack was the one that had come

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<v Speaker 1>to help set that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually it came out recently. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>just within the last couple of days. Epstein owned an

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<v Speaker 2>apartment building on sixty sixth Street where he kept girls

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<v Speaker 2>and young women and a who Barack, who is also

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<v Speaker 2>one of the pedophiles, and actually a very unsavory pedophile

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<v Speaker 2>at that who ever seen put deals. He would stay

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<v Speaker 2>in that apartment building quite often. And the Israelis wired

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<v Speaker 2>that apartment building for audio visual blackmail. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>they probably under the auspices that who Barack was a

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<v Speaker 2>former prime minister and former defense minister, so that was

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<v Speaker 2>part of his security, and that might have well been

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<v Speaker 2>the case too. But was definitely a blackmailer, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>no doubt about it. But the thing about what we

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<v Speaker 2>saw in the Franklin scandal, there were two primary pimps,

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<v Speaker 2>Lawrence King and Chray Spans, and Spance started to get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of media on him and he ultimately ended

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<v Speaker 2>up killing himself. People on the internet say he was suicided.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that he killed himself but I also believe

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<v Speaker 2>that he was given a choice. It was one of

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<v Speaker 2>those Vito Corleone moments where either you can kill yourself

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<v Speaker 2>or we will kill you. And he checked into the

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<v Speaker 2>Ritz Carlton and Boston and a tuxedo and took an

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<v Speaker 2>overdose of no triplane. And it's kind of interesting. He

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<v Speaker 2>had a article on his chest talking about CIA intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>people being called to testify before government entities, and he'd

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<v Speaker 2>been subpoenaed to testify at a grand jury. So he

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<v Speaker 2>was getting way too much media. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>Spence like Empstein. He was too used to living the

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<v Speaker 2>high life and he could not have withstood being in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>He just couldn't. Now King, on the other hand, he

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<v Speaker 2>was given the same rap that was given to Spence.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure you got to keep your mouth shut.

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<v Speaker 2>And King was more I think willing to keep his

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<v Speaker 2>mouth shut, and I think that their handlers could see that.

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<v Speaker 2>So he did twelve years in pub fed's or I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he was in the cushiest prisons that we have in

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<v Speaker 2>the federal system. And he got out after about twelve years,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had a no show job waiting for him

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<v Speaker 2>at a BMW dealership in Alexander, Virginia. He was taking

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<v Speaker 2>care of it, and I think the same thing kind

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<v Speaker 2>of went with Maxwell. Maxwell saw what happened to Epstein,

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<v Speaker 2>and she agreed to keep her mouth shut. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if Ebstein could have I mean, he was

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<v Speaker 2>too used to the high life. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>he would have done well being incarcerated. And people say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he was in megalomaniac and he never would have killed himself.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at that last picture of him when

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<v Speaker 2>he was arrested and compared to prior pictures, he looked

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<v Speaker 2>like a totally defeated man, and it's entirely possible that

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<v Speaker 2>someone helped him kill himself. I don't discount that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think that he probably killed himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I want to ask you too about the more speculative,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of scandalous sensational emails and topic the beef, jerky,

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<v Speaker 1>the tuna, the seafood. Do you believe that this is code?

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<v Speaker 1>Could it be code for organ trafficking? Could it be

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<v Speaker 1>code for cannibalism? Is that too far? What is your

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<v Speaker 1>thought on this recent furor that everybody has.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, remember we had pizzagate some years ago, and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what to make a pizza gate. I looked

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<v Speaker 2>into it, and actually I did spend some time on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got to the guy who could get me

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<v Speaker 2>to the guy that could start corroborating Pizzagate for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, that interview just kind of evaporated,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd put so much time into it that I

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<v Speaker 2>just moved on. And we both have philosophic training, and

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to approach everything agnostically like Socrates taught us.

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<v Speaker 2>And I went into Pizzagate agnostic, and I went out agnostic.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've got these emails about muffins and steaks and

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<v Speaker 2>pizza absolutely codes. But the thing about Epstein is he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do drugs. I don't even think he drank, or

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<v Speaker 2>he drank very little. And he was very circumspect about

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<v Speaker 2>the food that he ate. He had a chef that

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<v Speaker 2>wherever he went, his chef went and prepared the food

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<v Speaker 2>that he wanted. So there's an email from Harry Fish.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a medical doctor, he's a urologist. He's like a

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<v Speaker 2>urologist of the stars. He's in New York City and

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<v Speaker 2>he said to Epstein, I can't wait till the next

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<v Speaker 2>time we go out for pizza and grape soda, and

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<v Speaker 2>I found Harry's number. I've been doing investigati journalism for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, so I'm very good at getting people's numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I called him up and I said, Harry, my

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<v Speaker 2>name is Nick Brian. I'm a journalist, and i'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to know what's your favorite pizza and what brand of

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<v Speaker 2>grape soda would you suggest? And, much to my sugarin,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't get back to me. But then I texted him,

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<v Speaker 2>and actually I put the text on Twitter and I said, Harry,

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<v Speaker 2>my name is Nick Brian. I left a voicemail for you,

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<v Speaker 2>just for my own personal atification. Could you tell me

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<v Speaker 2>what type of pizza you like and what brand of

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<v Speaker 2>grape soda you would suggest? And he never got back

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I mean, I think that that's kind of rude.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you think that's rude?

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<v Speaker 1>Jay, I'm not surprised. I wouldn't have expected him to

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<v Speaker 1>get back either, But I'm not really engaged in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of investigative journalism. I just kind of stick to books,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know what to expect, but I wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just side a little side question, when when

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<v Speaker 1>you engage in those kinds of you know, calls or requests.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you mostly get ghosted and silenced? Or do you

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<v Speaker 1>do they act sometimes reply or what's the tendency?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes people will pick up and I'll tell them who

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<v Speaker 2>I am, and then they bring the conversation to a

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<v Speaker 2>quick close. But I'm amazed at how easy it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I can get just about anybody's phone number on their

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone. It's when you've been doing it as long

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<v Speaker 2>as I have. The databases are pretty sophisticated, and you

418
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>can get sophisticated too, so it's pretty easy for me

419
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:36.880
<v Speaker 2>to call people. I called Lawrence King, one of the

420
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:41.559
<v Speaker 2>pimps in the Franklin scandal, and said, Larry, how you

421
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>doing this? Is Nick Bryant? And he said he wasn't him?

422
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>So that was kind of the end of the conversation.

423
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Have you, I mean, have you ever called anyone who

424
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:58.160
<v Speaker 1>actually gave you like a good conversation and admitted things

425
00:26:58.240 --> 00:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>or is it always just kind of hanging up.

426
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Some people have given me really good information, but it's rare.

427
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:12.559
<v Speaker 2>It's rare, and it's generally not perpetrators. It's people on

428
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 2>the other side, right right, the victims, like I had

429
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Speaker 2>pretty good success calling the victims in Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book,

430
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.720
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't call a lot of them. I mean

431
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I called a number of numbers that were disconnected, but

432
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 2>then the ones that I talked to, most of them

433
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:38.079
<v Speaker 2>were fairly open to talking to me. And that was

434
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.960
<v Speaker 2>also the same with the Franklin Scan. I found twelve

435
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 2>victims of the Franklin Scan. I had a list of

436
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 2>sixty of them from a skill grandy documentary.

437
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get an assessment of that overall from the

438
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.079
<v Speaker 1>victims that you called and had conversations with. What's your

439
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:57.599
<v Speaker 1>description of what's the TLDR that the the too long

440
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:01.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't read assessment summary of how victims portray this operation.

441
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Their view of this operation is very myopic. They just

442
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 2>know about the sexual component, and I don't think that

443
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:22.319
<v Speaker 2>they even realized how hooked up Jeffrey Epstein was the victims.

444
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Most of the victims were kept in the dark, and

445
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 2>we're just used as his and his friend's sexual toys.

446
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 2>So I now, Virginia, do You Free? Is a different story.

447
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:42.839
<v Speaker 2>I got to know her pretty well, and Epstein flew

448
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>her around and around and around, and she was with

449
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Epstein for a couple of years and she was molested

450
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 2>by a lot of powerful guys, and from her I

451
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 2>got some really good information. But the other victims that

452
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 2>I've talked to primarily we're in the dark about how

453
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 2>expansive Jeffrey Epstein's reach was.

454
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm thinking in terms of, you know the code words,

455
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 1>what is your theory on what the code words are?

456
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 1>So were you arguing that because he wanted a personal

457
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>chef and he was very attentive to like what he ate,

458
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 1>that he wouldn't be eating pizza and grape soda because

459
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.119
<v Speaker 1>that's junk food, or were you saying that he was

460
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.319
<v Speaker 1>attentive to what he was eating so there would not

461
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>be any cannibalism.

462
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>It was obviously a code. So here's an email from

463
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Susan Hamblin and she runs an aren An adoption charity,

464
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:47.160
<v Speaker 2>and she says to Jeffrey Epstein that she's sending quote

465
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 2>unquote fresh muffins to the quote unquote island and asking

466
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein if you'd like additional steaks. And because this

467
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:02.839
<v Speaker 2>woman is running in an adoption charity and she's hooked

468
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:08.559
<v Speaker 2>up with Jeffrey Epstein, there's no way that she is

469
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:13.319
<v Speaker 2>sending muffins and steaks to the Virgin Islands. I mean

470
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:20.519
<v Speaker 2>that's obviously exactly for children. I believe children because of

471
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:21.240
<v Speaker 2>her status.

472
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Is so the eating could be an analogy for the

473
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.119
<v Speaker 1>sexual activity.

474
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

475
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Is there perhaps organ trafficking? Do you do you believe

476
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>that some bodies needed to be disposed with the sulfuric acid?

477
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Is that a viable component of it as well?

478
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 2>That's entirely possible. I mean there was a lot of

479
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 2>sulphuric acid that was and there were and the emails

480
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:47.839
<v Speaker 2>have come out do talk about tunnels underneath the island?

481
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I saw that, Yeah, so.

482
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:55.839
<v Speaker 2>Who knows what was in those tunnels. I have talked

483
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 2>to some victims and they have said, there's just so

484
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 2>many girls that Epstein went through, and they wonder how

485
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:11.160
<v Speaker 2>many are still alive? Yeah, yeah, and there were. With

486
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.759
<v Speaker 2>the FSC Victims Compensation program, there were two hundred and

487
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:23.359
<v Speaker 2>twenty five women that applied for compensation, and compensation was

488
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>awarded to one hundred and fifty, but eight of them

489
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.240
<v Speaker 2>twelve of them declined to go through the victims Compensation

490
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 2>fund because if you got money from that compensation fund

491
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.359
<v Speaker 2>or a conversation program you signed a release and you

492
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>could not go after any of your other perpetrators. It

493
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.759
<v Speaker 2>was a superlative The Fstein victims compensation program was a

494
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>superlative cover up tool.

495
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting, Yeah, I guess that's why a lot of

496
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 1>people set a lot of court right, that's a good

497
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>way to kind of just get it out of the media,

498
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:57.839
<v Speaker 1>get it out of people's attention.

499
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>And signed the release.

500
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly now.

501
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 2>And then one of the attorneys, his name was Stam Poinger.

502
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>He's dead now. He was a CIA asset and actually

503
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:13.240
<v Speaker 2>he worked with Jeffrey Epstein in the early eighties. I

504
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.519
<v Speaker 2>think that they were both putting together arms deals. PingER

505
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 2>was part of the October Surprise arms deal where the

506
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Reagan camp told the Iranians. The Iranians took hostages in

507
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the Reagan camp told the Iranians that if they held

508
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>onto the hostage till after Rangan became president, they would

509
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>sell them a surf feat of weapons at a reasonable price.

510
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.400
<v Speaker 2>And Poner was one of the first people that laid

511
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>down the foundation of that deal. And then he is

512
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 2>in business with Epstein, and Epstein is with at that

513
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 2>point working with John Lees, who is a British arms dealer,

514
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>and they're sending arms from China communists China to Iran

515
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 2>because Iran was fighting the Iraqis, who we were also

516
00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>providing Iraqis the weapons too. But the Stamp Pottinger, for

517
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 2>him to represent these Epstein victims was an abomination. I mean,

518
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>according to one of the Epstein victims, she was sodomized

519
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>by Stampoinger. And there's other There's another victim named Sarah

520
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Ransom who has just been through hell. Man just been

521
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.519
<v Speaker 2>through hell. I mean, she was molessed repeatedly by her stepfather,

522
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.160
<v Speaker 2>and then Epstein got his hooks into her and just

523
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>treated her like a slave, like an animal. I mean,

524
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:39.039
<v Speaker 2>he was swell and Epstein were just vicious to this

525
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>poor woman. And at a certain point in twenty eighteen,

526
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.319
<v Speaker 2>she tried to kill herself. She jumped out a window

527
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 2>and she survived. And Stamp she's on heavy duty pay

528
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.319
<v Speaker 2>medication and Psyche had medication, and Stamp Pottinger is sending

529
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 2>her emails pushing her to make a settle with the

530
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Ebstein Victims Conversation program. Just really really cold blooded type stuff.

531
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>It looked to me another question that I had for

532
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>somebody who's been in this for a while. Seems like

533
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 1>some of the emails suggested that at times he took

534
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.199
<v Speaker 1>orders from some people or was told to do things

535
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 1>in certain cases. We have, for example, the email about assassination.

536
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I saw people trying to demunk that and say, well,

537
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe they're just talking about, you know, something in a

538
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 1>sexual way that's using the code of you know, killing

539
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 1>or something. I don't know what that was supposed to mean.

540
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.199
<v Speaker 1>But do you think that there were instances where he

541
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 1>was being told what to do by certain people in

542
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 1>the case of like there was that one email you

543
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>have our spy, you know, and then another one about torturing.

544
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that was sexual codes or do you

545
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 1>think that was actual espionage codes or words that.

546
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:58.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but you can tell in his interactions

547
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:06.559
<v Speaker 2>with less Wexner that he is giving less Wexner a

548
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 2>degree of deference that borders on fear. I think Wess

549
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Wexner was probably the only person that really had a

550
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of control over reps as an individuals, not as

551
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:19.639
<v Speaker 2>an entity.

552
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, because that's that's the thing that a lot

553
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of people are asking, like, well, who who would be

554
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:30.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of above him? And presumably it would be people

555
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>with more money than that he had, and uh, you know,

556
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and again there's always been the speculation about what does

557
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.320
<v Speaker 1>it mean that he was a money manager? I mean,

558
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>presumably he was managing Wexner's money, right.

559
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:48.519
<v Speaker 2>It's so humorous less Wexner. Well, Epstein and Wexner had

560
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:52.280
<v Speaker 2>this strange relationship. I mean, they were lovers, but then

561
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:59.119
<v Speaker 2>they were also pedophiles together. And and Wexner gave Epstein

562
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 2>power of attorney for his vast fortune in nineteen ninety one.

563
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:08.239
<v Speaker 2>And this is another case of the mainstream media being disingenuous.

564
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>And this is Vanity Fair, which is relatively sophisticated magazine

565
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.639
<v Speaker 2>that will never ever let me write an article for them.

566
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:19.800
<v Speaker 2>But the reason okay, and I mean I'm not being

567
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>facetious about this at all, The reason why Les Wexner

568
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his vast fortune

569
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:35.119
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety one was because he was lonely. I means, yeah,

570
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.199
<v Speaker 2>Vanity Fair says that.

571
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 1>And you're you're also then of the opinion of the

572
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>view that Epstein is bisexual as well, which is relevant

573
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 1>to this proclivities issue, because I don't think a lot

574
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:51.960
<v Speaker 1>of people notice that or thought about that until this

575
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>recent dump. When did you queue into that.

576
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.039
<v Speaker 2>I knew about Epstein and Wexner, I mean like a

577
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 2>bisexual relations and ship many many years ago, probably I

578
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:05.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know, five years ago.

579
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Do you think the majority of the trafficking being as

580
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 1>far as I could tell them, almost mostly women, was

581
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:15.199
<v Speaker 1>that just to serve the proclivities of other wealthy, powerful people.

582
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Do we have evidence of young boys in any of this?

583
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.039
<v Speaker 2>There is some evidence of boys, and I think that

584
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:31.599
<v Speaker 2>that was Wexner's That's what Wexner preferred, was young boys.

585
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he'd my last young girls. He's an evil,

586
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 2>malignant man. But yeah, I mean there are accounts of boys,

587
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:48.199
<v Speaker 2>but they're rare. I think that there was a pedophile

588
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 2>network out of Chicago that was for writing wexnert with

589
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>little boys. That's that's what I've been told. Have a

590
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 2>tendency to believe that. But yeah, I think Wexner that

591
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 2>was his preferences is little boys.

592
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Now, we've also seen a lot of people talking about

593
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Peter Nigard, Jean lu Burnell, the modeling fashion world. Of course,

594
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Wexner connects to that with owning a bunch of the

595
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 1>brands that we all know from the two thousands. What

596
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:19.920
<v Speaker 1>exactly is the connection to the fashion world. Is it

597
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>just looking and scouting out for beautiful women or models

598
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>or is that a cover MC two and it is

599
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.800
<v Speaker 1>that are being a cover for a way to sort

600
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>of spot underage trafficked people. Is that most likely? What

601
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 1>that is?

602
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Big time yes. And they had a mechanism. According

603
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 2>to Virginia's You're Free, they had a mechanism, and I

604
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:46.440
<v Speaker 2>think I know the person that was part of the mechanism.

605
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 2>They had a mechanism. They would go to or Burnell

606
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:53.039
<v Speaker 2>would go to Eastern Europe and he would buy girls.

607
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean he wouldn't rent girls, he would buy girls.

608
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>And then they had a mechanism that would give them

609
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>visas to allow them into the United States. And absolutely

610
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.599
<v Speaker 2>there's another aspect of the fashion industry that I've been

611
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I've really looked into, and now we're just maybe seen

612
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.960
<v Speaker 2>starting to see some glimpses of it. I knew someone

613
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>that was very high in the occult in New York City,

614
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and because when I was digging around there was there

615
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:33.360
<v Speaker 2>was a very significant occult part of Franklin.

616
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I was going to ask about that next with

617
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:36.679
<v Speaker 1>that same we go ahead.

618
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 2>And I was wondering if there was an occult facet

619
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:46.320
<v Speaker 2>of Epstein, and because there were so many similarities between

620
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:51.119
<v Speaker 2>the two networks, and this individual told me that the

621
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 2>occult is rife in the modeling industry. And there's that

622
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 2>temple on Epstein's island that has I suppose someone people

623
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:09.519
<v Speaker 2>have postulated that it's a image of malac or a

624
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 2>sculpture of malac above the door.

625
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:13.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like an owl or something.

626
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that and Moloch was a guy that you

627
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 2>sacrificed children two. But I, as far as like my

628
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:30.480
<v Speaker 2>begging around, I could not find the occult component of Ebstein,

629
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<v Speaker 2>although the emails are starting to allude to various occult

630
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<v Speaker 2>aspects of Ebstein.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's one one that popped up a couple of

632
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<v Speaker 1>days ago, and I had the exact same interest. That's

633
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.400
<v Speaker 1>where I was going to go next, was is there

634
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<v Speaker 1>a you know, an esoteric occult angle to what he's

635
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<v Speaker 1>up to. There was apparently what's supposed to be a

636
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 1>reading list and books that had recently purchased, and there

637
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.159
<v Speaker 1>was some tantric sex magic text, some other sort of

638
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>weird gnostic type tax that were there, so that if

639
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that was real, that would suggest a degree of interest

640
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:05.039
<v Speaker 1>in sex magic. I think he would definitely be drawn

641
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:09.079
<v Speaker 1>to that. But in the Bandon interview, I thought it

642
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 1>was interesting with livestream and commented on the whole thing.

643
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>He seems to hint that elements of cobbalistic ideas, but

644
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.679
<v Speaker 1>nothing explicit. He says he does find alchemy fascinating. That's

645
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.639
<v Speaker 1>not a huge deal, but you know, it's just sort

646
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 1>of touching on the edges of it. Did you see

647
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:28.280
<v Speaker 1>his Amazon book list and the stuff that he was purchasing.

648
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, actually I was ware of the Amazon book list

649
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:36.079
<v Speaker 2>a long time ago, and okay, and that kind of

650
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:40.760
<v Speaker 2>indicated Yeah, definitely the occult you I saw that you

651
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:45.519
<v Speaker 2>had tweeted about this. I think she was a victim

652
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:50.039
<v Speaker 2>that where she said that she when she when she

653
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 2>was in a lot of pains, she thought of Jesus

654
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>and it helped her.

655
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<v Speaker 1>Oh, the one where they were talking about being in

656
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 1>the bed and then they told the little girl, yeah,

657
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Jesus won't help you. And then somebody said you should

658
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:02.480
<v Speaker 1>dress up as Jesus next time.

659
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that you would call that satanic, And I

660
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:13.760
<v Speaker 2>mean that's very, very very dark.

661
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean just but to put together the specifics,

662
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, actual proof. It's still a little iffy. But

663
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious though about Zora Ranch, because what do you

664
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>think that was a sort of a John of God

665
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 1>style operation. I'm sure you've heard of that. Yeah, yeah,

666
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 1>sort of baby farming, brooding brood operation that got shut down.

667
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:43.639
<v Speaker 1>He was closely associated with Oprah, who promoted him quite

668
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>a bit. I saw a lot of parallels between what

669
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>perhaps Epstein was trying to do with Zora Ranch. What's

670
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.199
<v Speaker 1>the skinny on Zoro Ranch? Is it also a sort

671
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>of a mad scientist lab where he wants to experiment

672
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 1>with genetics and in some form of transhumanism. Is that

673
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:57.159
<v Speaker 1>what that is?

674
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Now, there was a Epstein victim who is a

675
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 2>very street woman, which she's very damaged, and she said

676
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that she went unconscious and then came to and what

677
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.480
<v Speaker 2>she thought was a laboratory underneath or a ranch, and

678
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 2>there was a woman doctor harvesting her obums. But she's

679
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 2>also said some other things that are kind of out there,

680
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 2>so it's difficult to know. But if you look at

681
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the emails, Epstein is heavily involved in eugenics and cloning

682
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:40.760
<v Speaker 2>and cloning, isn't that difficult. When Dolly the sheep was cloned,

683
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 2>it's to clone someone or something, a living being. All

684
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:53.159
<v Speaker 2>you got to do is get an ovum, take the

685
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 2>DNA out of the oven, which is relatively easy, insert

686
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the DNA that you want into the ovum, and then

687
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 2>given an electrical charge, and then sometimes it starts the

688
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 2>mitosis process and the cell stairs, and sometimes it doesn't.

689
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.519
<v Speaker 2>But it's relatively easy to clone. There are people in

690
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>New York City that are cloning their French bulldogs and

691
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.599
<v Speaker 2>I kind of look at French I mean, I don't

692
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:22.199
<v Speaker 2>have anything to get the French. I don't have anything

693
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.559
<v Speaker 2>as bulldogs, but I kind of look at French bulldogs

694
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of little creatures. I don't know why someone that's

695
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.599
<v Speaker 2>been sixty five thousand dollars, but anyway, that's my own prejudice,

696
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:32.559
<v Speaker 2>but I think you can go on a human for

697
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:37.760
<v Speaker 2>about one point five million dollars. And I firmly believe

698
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 2>that Jeffrey Epstein was cloning himself. One of the reasons

699
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:47.559
<v Speaker 2>why Virginia ji Free got out, well, there were a

700
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.159
<v Speaker 2>couple of reasons that E'mstein and Maxwell wanted to impregnate her.

701
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.559
<v Speaker 2>And but before that, she was sent to Thailand to

702
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:01.239
<v Speaker 2>pick up and bring her back to the US. And

703
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.119
<v Speaker 2>when I mean young, I'm talking about a minor, very

704
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.360
<v Speaker 2>young miner. And she met her who would become her boyfriend,

705
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 2>who was on vacation in Thailand, and then they got

706
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.519
<v Speaker 2>married like a week later, and then she moved to

707
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:20.239
<v Speaker 2>back to Australia where he lived and she just got out.

708
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:24.320
<v Speaker 2>But and then there's these other accounts too, and then

709
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 2>the Brian Bishop emails of cloning. You could tell that

710
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 2>here's a guy that was really in the clone and

711
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Epstein and the emails is saying he's going to subsidize Bishop.

712
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:40.679
<v Speaker 2>So I believe that was definitely part of the transhumanism,

713
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:45.079
<v Speaker 2>definitely part of the gold. There's that one email where, ah,

714
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:51.400
<v Speaker 2>you can't think of his name. He's a pretty renowned researcher,

715
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and he's talking about giving baby male babies hormone blockers

716
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:03.079
<v Speaker 2>and giving babies cover that one now, yeah, and basically

717
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:07.199
<v Speaker 2>creating hermaphrodites, right, and he thought that that would just

718
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.639
<v Speaker 2>be the greatest thing in the world, that he'd create

719
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 2>these very sexy her I guess that there are a

720
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:17.679
<v Speaker 2>subgenus of humans that like hermaphrodites. I don't know, I've

721
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 2>never really.

722
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 1>Now in regard to the sort of mad science domain

723
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 1>of this, we saw also some odd emails of a guy.

724
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.920
<v Speaker 1>His name was like you y you you go or

725
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.800
<v Speaker 1>something else, and that one seemed to speak of him

726
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.119
<v Speaker 1>sort of spotting a girl that could be a potential

727
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.400
<v Speaker 1>subject that Jeffrey could use because she had undergone ritual abuse,

728
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:48.800
<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse, or trauma. Perhaps Jeffrey could look into this

729
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.159
<v Speaker 1>and use her because she was at stage three of

730
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:52.559
<v Speaker 1>the process. What did you mean?

731
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I really, I mean that reach of mind control to me,

732
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 2>And I've got an mk A document. I think it's

733
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Subproject one where it's talked about using electroshock drugs hypnosis

734
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>to induce small old personality and ultimately and ultimately side.

735
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And I believe that our government, I mean remote viewing,

736
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.400
<v Speaker 2>which was above ground for twenty years or so, is

737
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.559
<v Speaker 2>just about psychic abilities. I mean it's called remote viewing

738
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.719
<v Speaker 2>to give it some kind of tangible right explanation. But

739
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.880
<v Speaker 2>I believe that remote viewing is alive and well it

740
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:38.199
<v Speaker 2>just went underground.

741
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 1>And probably that email is referring to sending her to

742
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey because and this is something I noticed to it.

743
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:50.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm not seeing you didn't cover this. I haven't seen

744
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot of other people mentioning. We had a few

745
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:57.159
<v Speaker 1>royals and elites offering up their children. There was one

746
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:59.320
<v Speaker 1>of the daughters of Sophia, I want to say, of

747
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 1>den Mark or Bulgaria for you where it was. But

748
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.679
<v Speaker 1>they were basically saying, hey, jeff here's a here's our daughter.

749
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:06.559
<v Speaker 1>What do you think of her? Could you use her? Right?

750
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>And then the princess of the Prince of Norway was

751
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about her son. There's too there's two different ones.

752
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 1>She's talking about her son saying, hey, jeff could you

753
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.199
<v Speaker 1>give me parenting advice on my son? You know so?

754
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>And then she wanted perhaps to have a baby with Jeffrey.

755
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 1>So they it's almost like the the global elites looked

756
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:30.559
<v Speaker 1>to him as a king maker kind of person, even

757
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.400
<v Speaker 1>for your for your offspring perhaps or even having offspring

758
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:35.840
<v Speaker 1>with him. Is that correct?

759
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. You can certainly extrapolate that. That's

760
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:48.440
<v Speaker 2>what those emails allude to. For sure. It's it's such

761
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.920
<v Speaker 2>a different way of thinking. That's strata. Now it's being

762
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:55.679
<v Speaker 2>called the Epstein class you ever Readthorsting Bedlin's The Leisure Class.

763
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:56.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

764
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a classic. And Epstein called the book

765
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 2>is called the Leisure Class, and he comments on how

766
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 2>the leisure class or how the aristocrats are just much

767
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:14.079
<v Speaker 2>more predatory. And he looks at all different types of

768
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:17.880
<v Speaker 2>cultures and he shows that people that that are affluent

769
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:23.079
<v Speaker 2>are much more predatory than people in the society that

770
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 2>that not and I and we're seeing that with these

771
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.480
<v Speaker 2>with these Epstein emails, that there is a strata of

772
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 2>our society that is very predatory. And really I think

773
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:45.639
<v Speaker 2>could care less about what we as mere mortals think.

774
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:48.199
<v Speaker 2>They believe that they're living a mon.

775
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Olympus, right right, yeah, I mean quickly. Even at the

776
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:54.920
<v Speaker 1>end of his trait and Hoe talks about it. He

777
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>talks about that difference between the norms and you know

778
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.320
<v Speaker 1>that's so called elite class, and that you know that

779
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.360
<v Speaker 1>that's why they send their children to boarding school. They

780
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:06.079
<v Speaker 1>have you know, nannies because they don't want the child

781
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:10.280
<v Speaker 1>to have the attention and you know, nourishment that a

782
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.719
<v Speaker 1>mom gives, and because it tends to kind of create

783
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.599
<v Speaker 1>a more of a psychopathic tendency, which they think, oh, well,

784
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.159
<v Speaker 1>that's what you need to be a leader, is to

785
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 1>be a total psychopath. So that that's interesting to see

786
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:25.159
<v Speaker 1>that kind of be confirmed in the emails and more

787
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 1>emails that stood out to you as surprising or making

788
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:32.079
<v Speaker 1>connections that you didn't expect. Oh, this one. Want to

789
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.519
<v Speaker 1>get your take on this, because I found this very

790
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.960
<v Speaker 1>fascinating because I've read quite a bit on the abuse

791
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.840
<v Speaker 1>subjects within the Roman Catholic world. And we saw one

792
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:44.800
<v Speaker 1>email of a person referring back to a time when

793
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein lived at the Vatican for some unspecified time.

794
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.320
<v Speaker 1>In that email, it's discussed that they had conversation with

795
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:56.679
<v Speaker 1>John Paul about architecture and columns. Many people were saying, well,

796
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 1>we can't really prove that he was talking there a

797
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.599
<v Speaker 1>little in there. However, we do know that he was

798
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:03.960
<v Speaker 1>there in a picture with just laying being blessed by

799
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.519
<v Speaker 1>John Paul the Second. We know John Paul the Second

800
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.480
<v Speaker 1>also gave a high level papal knighthood award to procure

801
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 1>criminal Jimmy Savile. And then we have another email where

802
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 1>it's alleged I think Epstein says that John Paul the

803
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:22.599
<v Speaker 1>Second gave him some piece of architectural something that he

804
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.800
<v Speaker 1>put on ceiling. He seems to know the inner workings

805
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 1>of the Vatican Bank pretty well. So what did you make?

806
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:34.159
<v Speaker 1>And then he's also organizing flights for Pope Francis it seems,

807
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:37.000
<v Speaker 1>so what do you make of the Vatican angle? Is

808
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.119
<v Speaker 1>this all much to do about nothing? Is there actually

809
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:40.760
<v Speaker 1>something there? What's your take on that?

810
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're gonna launder money, the Vatican Bank is

811
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:46.159
<v Speaker 2>the go to bank.

812
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what he says.

813
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there's no oversight with the Vatican Bank. The

814
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Vatican is its own country. There was that scandal with

815
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Bishop Marcinkus, whoever saw the.

816
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Vatican you exactly?

817
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:05.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and P two Lodge, And I think that why

818
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:09.960
<v Speaker 2>would these people stop using the Vatican Bank? I mean,

819
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:12.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean Marcinkus retired and he I believe he ended

820
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:16.079
<v Speaker 2>up in Arizona. But nothing ever happened to him. I mean,

821
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.280
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing was quashed. Not too many, not a

822
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:20.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of people know about except for you guys like

823
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.400
<v Speaker 2>you and me that read books about Gladio and things

824
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:29.199
<v Speaker 2>like that. So I don't have a problem believing that

825
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Amstein, and given his connection to all these banks

826
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:37.119
<v Speaker 2>that the Vatican make is probably still being used to

827
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.760
<v Speaker 2>launder money or whatever. I mean, who knows.

828
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that Do you think that him knowing

829
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and having a degree of relationship or closeness with John

830
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Paul the second is that legitimate? Do you think he

831
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:51.800
<v Speaker 1>was just kind of ragging about himself, puffing up something

832
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't there? What's your your sense on that one.

833
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that, but I do believe that

834
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.039
<v Speaker 2>these emails might bore this out, that he had some

835
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<v Speaker 2>kind of relationship with the Vatican Bank. That makes the

836
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<v Speaker 2>most sense to me. I mean, I believe that he

837
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<v Speaker 2>was an atheist. He was Jewish culturally, but I'm sure

838
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<v Speaker 2>that he looked at Catholicism as a fairy tale. Sure

839
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.559
<v Speaker 2>the Vatican Bank is very very real.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, absolutely, Now, speaking of that atheism angle, did

841
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<v Speaker 1>you find did you see the Bannon interview? Did you

842
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.800
<v Speaker 1>find any of those comments interesting? When he's talking about

843
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>reality being something that we project from our mind and

844
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.840
<v Speaker 1>it's all code and mathematics, and you got these other

845
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 1>emails where he's talking about dimensions, Well, what did you

846
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<v Speaker 1>make of those sort of speculative topics in the emails?

847
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<v Speaker 1>And the band in interview.

848
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<v Speaker 2>It's very strange. I mean, in some of those emails

849
00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:05.960
<v Speaker 2>he's talking about metaphysics. I don't, you know, it's hard

850
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:11.400
<v Speaker 2>to say because usually people that are atheists don't really

851
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:16.440
<v Speaker 2>believe in extrasensory perception and things like that. Right, So

852
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:26.719
<v Speaker 2>it's really difficult to know what Epstein believed, other than.

853
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.960
<v Speaker 1>When Bannon asked him about the soul, right, and they

854
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 1>have that weird exchange about the soul, and he says

855
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 1>something like, well, look that we don't have we can't

856
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.360
<v Speaker 1>quantify the soul, but there's all these things in physics

857
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:43.039
<v Speaker 1>that you can't quantify, like quarks, and the soul is

858
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a quark or so it's a really

859
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.719
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like he was taking a lot of the

860
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.199
<v Speaker 1>new physics and that kind of stuff and just sort

861
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 1>of positing that maybe religion and all that is just

862
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:57.400
<v Speaker 1>what that field of physics is describing is the way

863
00:54:57.639 --> 00:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I understood it.

864
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:08.480
<v Speaker 2>That of physics. It's it's difficult to know what Ebstein believe.

865
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<v Speaker 2>There's some talk of metaphysics. There is some talk of

866
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:16.400
<v Speaker 2>extra sense or giftedness with that the woman that the

867
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<v Speaker 2>girl or woman that's in stage three but most hardcore

868
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:27.239
<v Speaker 2>atheists that I know have a real hard time embracing

869
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:31.760
<v Speaker 2>even psychic ability, right, because that would entail some kind

870
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 2>of metaphysical interconnectedness, Right. I would really like to find

871
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.920
<v Speaker 2>out whether or not he was really down with the

872
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.320
<v Speaker 2>occult that would That's been something I've been looking into

873
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, and hopefully we can get some

874
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:51.199
<v Speaker 2>more answers from these emails.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the You know, we've covered a lot of

876
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.280
<v Speaker 1>different angles here. I don't know what your time of

877
00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:00.840
<v Speaker 1>frame here is for for discussion, but what about Okay,

878
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.559
<v Speaker 1>international finance. This is another topic that I think is

879
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.599
<v Speaker 1>overlooked because you know, it's kind of mysterious, and we

880
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the Vatican Bank and and that kind of stuff.

881
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 1>But one thing that struck me as odd was Number one.

882
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:16.440
<v Speaker 1>It seems like he's explaining to Larry Summers. You would

883
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:19.159
<v Speaker 1>you would think is a sort of a Harvard bankster

884
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Clinton era guy. He would know about international banking and

885
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:25.920
<v Speaker 1>perhaps the Vatican Bank. He seems to be explaining how

886
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:28.760
<v Speaker 1>that works to Larry Summers when he mentions at the

887
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:30.559
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the band An interview, he says that, yeah,

888
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 1>fractional reserve banking and abandon seems to be kind of

889
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.880
<v Speaker 1>again mystified as to what exactly they're discussing. Why does

890
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:39.840
<v Speaker 1>this matter? Why did that get you recruited into, you know,

891
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the circles of Kissinger and Rockefeller. You know that. So

892
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of people speculated too that another

893
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.679
<v Speaker 1>reason that there might have been an attempt to sort

894
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:53.599
<v Speaker 1>of cover up and suppress this latest trunks coming out

895
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:57.679
<v Speaker 1>would be due to actually money laundering and money scandals

896
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.039
<v Speaker 1>that could perhaps bring down the Western economy. Who knows

897
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:03.480
<v Speaker 1>exactly whether that's the case or what that means, but

898
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.920
<v Speaker 1>it looks like there's a shadow banking sort of thing

899
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:11.119
<v Speaker 1>going on here. And we noticed between him and Orienta

900
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.760
<v Speaker 1>de Rothschild, the various emails that they have discussing these

901
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:17.000
<v Speaker 1>topics that it's almost like they see conflicts and all

902
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 1>these situations as a totally different way of gaming the market,

903
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.760
<v Speaker 1>shorting the market based on advanced intelligence. I thought that

904
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:26.559
<v Speaker 1>was funny because when I went back and looked at

905
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the Morton authorized barca of the Rothschild's, they brag about

906
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact that, you know, two hundred years ago at Waterloo,

907
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:36.039
<v Speaker 1>they had advanced intelligence. And so here's the Jeffery epste

908
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:39.079
<v Speaker 1>two undred years ish later basically doing the same thing. Yeah,

909
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:41.360
<v Speaker 1>we have upupdated intelligence. We short the market. All the

910
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:44.199
<v Speaker 1>normies and the guiyam they you know, they go on

911
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.199
<v Speaker 1>the basis of what the real world says. We have

912
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.199
<v Speaker 1>the inside information. I thought that was really insightful as

913
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the way the way that the predatory class actually operate well.

914
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Fractional reserve banking is kind of a scam. I think

915
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:01.360
<v Speaker 2>we both would probably agree on that. With Epstein. Where

916
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:05.239
<v Speaker 2>you really get insight into Epstein is the emails. There

917
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:09.159
<v Speaker 2>was a Middle East hacking group that got three years

918
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:14.280
<v Speaker 2>worth of emails between Epstein and Hue Barock, and those

919
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.719
<v Speaker 2>emails are really talent because it's Epstein and a Hubbarock

920
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:22.480
<v Speaker 2>putting together arms deals first from Mongolia and then they

921
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.760
<v Speaker 2>sold like a Big Brother surveillance system to a couple

922
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:32.079
<v Speaker 2>of African dictators. And Epstein they're talking about these troubled

923
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:36.559
<v Speaker 2>areas in the world and Epstein tells who Barack, Well,

924
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:41.119
<v Speaker 2>this is where we can make some money. We could

925
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:47.320
<v Speaker 2>sell them arms, which is and Epstein had been in

926
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the arms business going way back after he left Baris Stearns.

927
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:56.760
<v Speaker 2>He got into the arms business so I think that

928
00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:00.719
<v Speaker 2>that was just one of the many fingers that he

929
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.280
<v Speaker 2>had in the big pie.

930
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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that would have been a major reason

931
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:08.079
<v Speaker 1>to try to shut it down? I mean, obviously people

932
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:12.039
<v Speaker 1>don't want to have their private proclivities exposed and that

933
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of blackmail type stuff. But is there was there

934
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>a real danger that the international market scam complex would

935
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:24.400
<v Speaker 1>be taken down? Or was that an excuse to try

936
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:27.320
<v Speaker 1>to cover up and to not have the files released.

937
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that there are multiple reasons why we're having

938
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:42.840
<v Speaker 2>difficulties getting the other three million files, and international banking

939
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:46.880
<v Speaker 2>could be one of them. I think Epstein's various connections

940
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:50.760
<v Speaker 2>with intelligence agencies could be one of them. I think

941
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.719
<v Speaker 2>that some of the people that would be named could

942
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:57.119
<v Speaker 2>be one of them. But the Trump administration has not

943
00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:59.519
<v Speaker 2>lived up to the letter of the law of the

944
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Epstein Transparency Act. We should have gotten all those emails

945
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:10.480
<v Speaker 2>and those names. All those names shouldn't be redacted. So

946
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:14.039
<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration is want this tooth and nail. But

947
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:20.559
<v Speaker 2>I will say this, I'm kind of amazed about the

948
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:24.400
<v Speaker 2>information that's come out with this latest trench. But the

949
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:28.559
<v Speaker 2>thing is people are just going down wormholes with it.

950
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:33.800
<v Speaker 2>We have to take this information and we can change

951
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:38.159
<v Speaker 2>our government because of this information. And I think that

952
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:42.280
<v Speaker 2>that is one thing that I think Americans. I think

953
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:47.920
<v Speaker 2>there's two things that make Americans kind of despondent. I

954
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.239
<v Speaker 2>think that they've been divided and conquered with the right

955
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:56.440
<v Speaker 2>left paradigm. The left thanks the rights men leel the

956
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.840
<v Speaker 2>right things, the left men le ill, and it's just

957
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.159
<v Speaker 2>a very easy to bide and conquer. And then I

958
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:04.760
<v Speaker 2>think Americans have been conditioned to think that they really

959
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:09.880
<v Speaker 2>can't affect change. And when you superimpose those two trends,

960
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:13.880
<v Speaker 2>you end up with what we have now, which is

961
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.679
<v Speaker 2>not helping Americans. And a lot of Americans are in

962
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of trouble financially, just trying to support themselves.

963
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Kids today that get out of college, they're heavily in debt.

964
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:27.719
<v Speaker 2>They're never going to be able to buy a house, right.

965
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:33.800
<v Speaker 2>And the rich keep getting richer before to keep getting poorer.

966
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:39.199
<v Speaker 2>And that's really been escalating since the plague. And we

967
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:43.519
<v Speaker 2>as Americans, and the reason why is because our government's

968
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:48.519
<v Speaker 2>a sewer and we have a chance now to clean

969
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:52.920
<v Speaker 2>out the sewer. We really do. We know that a

970
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of our politicians are compromised. We know that Jeffrey

971
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Epstein at all compromise and number them. And there's three

972
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:05.400
<v Speaker 2>things that our politicians have. They've got arrogance, which makes

973
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:08.800
<v Speaker 2>people stupid. They've got lust, which makes people stupid. And

974
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 2>they've got greed, which makes people stupid. And when you're

975
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.400
<v Speaker 2>speaking of alchemy, if you combine those three you get

976
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.280
<v Speaker 2>very very smart people being very very stupid. Bill Clinton

977
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:25.559
<v Speaker 2>comes to mind immediately. So what we need and the

978
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:27.079
<v Speaker 2>only way that we're going to be able to get

979
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.800
<v Speaker 2>to the bottom of this is Epstein Justice, this organization

980
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:34.639
<v Speaker 2>that I'm part of. What we need is an independent

981
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:39.760
<v Speaker 2>congressional commission. And an independent congressional commission is very different

982
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:46.119
<v Speaker 2>than other congressional investigations because it does not require a

983
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:49.320
<v Speaker 2>signature from the president. It just requires a majority in

984
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:51.239
<v Speaker 2>the House and a majority in the Senate. And with

985
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:58.840
<v Speaker 2>independent congressional commissions, oftentimes non government personnel are incorporated, or

986
01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:04.199
<v Speaker 2>the entire investigation it's farmed out to non government personnel.

987
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:10.719
<v Speaker 2>And that's what we're going to need because if the well,

988
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean now the Trump administration, which is being really

989
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:18.280
<v Speaker 2>disingenmous saying that there's that Epstein had no co conspirators,

990
01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:23.480
<v Speaker 2>which I mean, they must really think we're stupid. But

991
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:28.119
<v Speaker 2>we need that independent Congressional commission. It's going to be

992
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:32.000
<v Speaker 2>our only shot to clean out and I think that

993
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:35.280
<v Speaker 2>this will be the best chance in our lifetimes to

994
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:39.039
<v Speaker 2>clean out our government. And it might be the best

995
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:42.760
<v Speaker 2>chance in our lifetime to clean out our government before

996
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.280
<v Speaker 2>it takes it off a cliff, before our leaders take

997
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:47.559
<v Speaker 2>us off a cliff, because I think that that's where

998
01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:48.079
<v Speaker 2>we're heading.

999
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:02.920
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned a while back, oh, people should look out

1000
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.719
<v Speaker 1>at Franklin scandal. There. That's the book that the Nick

1001
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.920
<v Speaker 1>has put out where you were going to do an

1002
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Epstein book. I'm assuming that maybe I had to put

1003
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:12.760
<v Speaker 1>a little pause on it given all this new information.

1004
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Are you still doing an Epstein book.

1005
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm still working on an Epstein book. I've got probably

1006
01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:27.119
<v Speaker 2>forty thousand words. Yeah. I thought about writing Epstein book

1007
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:29.519
<v Speaker 2>ten years ago. If I'd written an Epstein book ten

1008
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:33.559
<v Speaker 2>years ago, you have to redo it, yeah, completely. But

1009
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm I really want to write a definitive Epstein book.

1010
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.280
<v Speaker 2>The books that have come out about Epstein have been

1011
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:48.079
<v Speaker 2>extremely shallow, and if I'm going to be generous, I

1012
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:53.920
<v Speaker 2>would call them extremely shallow. But because I've been kind

1013
01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:58.000
<v Speaker 2>of at the ground floor of Epstein since since twenty eleven,

1014
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.519
<v Speaker 2>and I've made a lot of connections in this world.

1015
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I made them with Franklin, but I've also

1016
01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:07.320
<v Speaker 2>made them with Epstein too. I think that I could

1017
01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:10.559
<v Speaker 2>run a very good book on Jeffrey Epstein at this point,

1018
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:13.559
<v Speaker 2>or Jeffrey Epstein at all at this point.

1019
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Well, Nick, I really appreciate you coming on, And

1020
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:20.719
<v Speaker 1>of course people can check out your links and your information.

1021
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll have them in the show description below, and any

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01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:26.159
<v Speaker 1>other things you want to plug, like the Justice for

1023
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:29.679
<v Speaker 1>Epstein Victim's website or anything like that. Future projects. What

1024
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:30.920
<v Speaker 1>do you got coming up next?

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01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:33.559
<v Speaker 2>The most important thing in my life right now is

1026
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Epstein Justice. So I would suggest that your audience for

1027
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:42.679
<v Speaker 2>the Epstein Justice dot com. It's very funny I talk

1028
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:45.760
<v Speaker 2>about Epstein Justice, I talk about an independent Congressional Commissioner.

1029
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:49.760
<v Speaker 2>We've given this a lot of thought, and we're organizing

1030
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:54.280
<v Speaker 2>people by state to put pressure on their federal legislators.

1031
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:57.519
<v Speaker 2>And I'll give an email, I'll give an interview like

1032
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:00.800
<v Speaker 2>the interview that I just gave you, and then comments

1033
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:06.159
<v Speaker 2>in the conversations, they'll be how can we do anything

1034
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:11.599
<v Speaker 2>about this after I've explained it? So I mean, and

1035
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that is what I've talked about earlier, that the superimposing

1036
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:18.639
<v Speaker 2>between the right and the left and American thinking they

1037
01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:23.079
<v Speaker 2>can condition to change, but we can. It's up to us.

1038
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:27.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think that we need to affect change because

1039
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:30.000
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be our best opportunity. As I said,

1040
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:33.000
<v Speaker 2>our leaders are going to take us off a cliff

1041
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:39.559
<v Speaker 2>and before they do that, we have the ability right

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<v Speaker 2>now to make some substantial changes. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>The book is Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course he is a veteran when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein subject matter. Nick, thank you so much for coming

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<v Speaker 1>on and I look forward to future conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to be Ruth, you Jay