Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Jasonallis. Of course, we discussed a
lot of these issues about a year or two ago
with Nick Bryant. He's also published by my publisher. His
book is The Franklin Scandal. My books are SSR, Hollywood one, two,
and three. That is Trying Day and Nick joins us
today to talk about the new Epstein files, all of
the recent information coming out on a daily, minute by
minute basis. Everything gets crazy every minute. There's some new
wild email that five years ago, ten years ago would
have been a week long news story. Well, it's minute
by minute now. So Nick joins us. He is one
of the first to deal with this issue via the
Gawker publication of The Black Book of jeff Sinon mceffrey
or Jeffrey as we say over here, Nick, what's up
and tell us about your background.
Speaker 2: Good to see. How's my favorite stand up comic philosopher
Eastern Orthodox Christion.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not technically doing a lot of stand up yet,
but I am writing for comedee and so we're trying
to maybe one day.
Speaker 2: Just keep that in mind, and you're aspiring. I've been
I've been on the Epstein beat since twenty eleven, and
I acquired his Black Book in October of twenty eleven.
And Epstein has under euphemistically, he has massages and under
massages are a lot of the victims. And there's massage Florida,
there's massage New Mexico. There's a massage LA there's a
massage in New York. And I started calling those numbers.
And the first call was kind of strange because I
was talking to the mother of an Epstein victim and
she was in the room. The victim was, but the
mother was doing the talking, and I just said, my
name's Nick Brian, I'm a journalist and I'm looking into
the Jeffrey Epstein trafficking network. And I was wondering, your
daughter trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein, and she said, well, she'd been.
He had sexually abused her since she was thirteen years old.
So that was my first call, and then my second
call was with a woman who'd been flown to different states.
And then my third call was with a woman who'd
been flown to an island, and we really didn't know
about the island at that point. We didn't know about
Orgy Island. So once I had that nailed down. I
felt when I went down there, there were accounts of
Jeffrey Epstein molesting multiple underage girls, and there was a
grand jury that said he hadn't molested a single underage girl.
And I saw that with the Franklin scandal, where there
were actually two corrupt grand juries, and the Franklin network
was a huge network. I think it was actually bigger
than Epstein's. It wasn't as around as long as Epstein's,
but I think it was probably bigger. And those two
grand juries declared that not a single chief had been abused.
So I saw the compatibility between the two, and that's
what I went down to Florida, and I eventually started
calling Epstein's inner circle, and I just wanted to see
what they would say. None of them pick up except
for Sarah Kellen, who is the right hand woman of
Gallinne Maxwell, the henchwoman of Gallainne Maxwell, who led hundreds
of lambs to the slaughter and asked the evil woman.
And I started to talk to her, and she said
how unfairly the media had treated her. She was commiserating
about how unfairly she'd been treated by the media, and
I did not share that attitude with her, and I
think I might have expressed myself a little bit, and
so the conversation got brought to a quick cessation. And
then all these years later, these email else are coming
out and there's a center. Her name or his name
is redacted, but it goes to all of Epstein's inner circle,
and it said there's a journalist named Nick Bryant who
is down here looking around and everybody has their quote
unquote be aware of him. And then they had a
picture of me in the email. And there were two
more emails where Epstein was supposed to call me once
it alarm, JE called Nick Bryant. So apparently leaving all
those messages for the inner circlet, uh got my they
got my attention, or I got their attention.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean, you know, you've been on this
case for a long time, and it's it's neat to see.
I mean it's neat. Maybe it's ominous on it, but interesting,
fascinating to see that they did have tabs on quite
a few people. But you know, you you clearly played
a central role and who needed to be watched and
perhaps you know, who knows what do you think they
would have perhaps looked at legal action. Do you think
they were wanted to smear you or do you know
that they had any did they have any kind of reprisal?
Speaker 2: I don't know what their intent was. I took a
lot of harassment when I wrote the Franklin Scandal, including
the death threat, So there were a number of things
that were thrown at me, and I'm sure I'm rather
ub to, so I'm sure that there were a number
of other threats that I just didn't pick up on.
But anyway, there is one thing that was strange. Shortly
after my visit to Florida, my mail was blatantly opened,
I mean blatantly, and I had no idea because I
was also at that point I was working on a
book called Confessions of a DC Man in the Politics
and Sexualizing Blackmail, and it was about a guy ran
a gay escort service in DC and.
Speaker 1: That's Henry Vn. I have that text.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Henry and I were going to start working
on that book. So it could have been an aggregate
of those things, or it just could have been Ebstein.
I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now this recent trunch that's come out here, I've covered
it pretty consistently for the last twelve thirteen days, and
it's been insane, a lot of different avenues to go down.
First of all, let's talk about maybe some of the
things that surprised you. There were definitely things that surprised me,
stuff I didn't expect. I'm sure you've been following this
case longer than I have, so you have maybe a
bigger bird's eye view of this. But what are some
of the things that immediately stood out that shocked you
or surprised you? And then I also want to talk
about some of the more speculative, salacious types of things,
the weird food terminology. You want to get your take
on that. But what's the thing, What are some of
the things that surprised you.
Speaker 2: First, I've been at this for a long time. I
started investigating Franklin in two thousand and two, two thousand
and three, and those pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spencer,
I mean, they were evil guys, and I always wondered,
I mean, if you're a human trafficker, a child trafficker,
you're a vicious individual, and chances are you're a psychopath.
So I never had any illusion about Epstein and Maxwell
being psychopaths. But there was a couple that just kicked
me in the gut. I mean really kicked me in
the gut. The UCLA neuroscientist who has an MD and
abuse and he writes to Ebstein about how to enhance
a baby's a baby's infants sucking ability. I after all,
I've spoken at anti trafficking conferences, I've talked to scores
of victims, and I'm aware of the most evil thing
things done to children. But that one got me. That
one got me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was hard to you, hard to
deal with him.
Speaker 2: And I guess doctor Tramo is not getting his contract
at UCLA, which is a very good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen several prime ministers and un types sort
of step down, even some CEOs supposedly stepping down. They'll
probably just go into some other cushy position. But what
about did you have a I know you probably did
from the Franklin information. But one thing that surprised me was,
you know, I'd followed and read books on Epstein over
the years and looked into it to a decent degree,
but I was a little bit surprised at the international
scope of a lot of the Epstein emails, in particularly
regard to first or second day people had dug up
plans where he had to meet. He was going to
meet with like fifteen different world leaders, heads of state.
He's talking about the Greek deck crisis and profiting from that.
He's talking about the vat Can Bank to Larry Summers,
how it works, inner workings of that. He's talking to
Ariandre Rothschald about you know, the Ukraine and making money
from that when when there's a you know, chaos desabilization there.
He talks about Somalia and you know, plundering the resources.
So stuff that's pretty international in scope. Was that surprising
at all to you? Or did you already kind of
figure it was already international.
Speaker 2: I knew it was international. I didn't think that he
had the connections to various prime ministers that he did.
That that surprised me. That he could tap into just
about any country's power brokers, that is one thing that
surprised me. I knew that he was pandering these young
girls to various people in Europe. I had no doubt
about that. But yeah, just his international connections. I mean,
Jeffrey Epstein was a very talented guy. He was good
at trafficking underage girls. He was good at laundry money,
he was good at putting together arms deals. If I
was Team Evil and I had a first round draft pick,
I would pick Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, Jeffrey. If your
Team Evil, Jeffrey Ebstey might be the overall first round pick.
Speaker 1: You're a long time yeah, yeah, you're a sort of
an expert on this. I want to get your take
my assessment. I want you to tell me how correct
that was in this. My assessment was, he seems to
be kind of like a PhD in organized crime. He's
really good at networking, synthesizing, and putting together different things
at you know, multiple different disciplines or criminal operations. I
guess you could say, is he like a criminal operations expert?
Speaker 2: He is, But he also had that get out of
jail free card too, and a lot of criminal masterminds
don't have that get out of jail free card. So
that's what differentiated Jeffrey Epstein from a number of high
class criminals that we know about. And Jeffrey didn't have
to worry about law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Would you say that that untouchable status again probably has
to do with working at intelligence or above intelligence levels
via Trilateral Commission that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, he was definitely plug into the Trailae permission
and other organizations. But I believe and I've always people
say he's working for Israelian intelligence, and I always have
maintained and actually.
Speaker 1: The Internet you're cutting out there for a second. Internet
was sometimes this happens. I don't think it's a conspiracy.
But Nick, hold on a second, you cut out just
for a second. It's just Internet. It's not conspiracy or
anything like that. Go ahead. And so you've always maintained what.
Speaker 2: Well I've always made attained that Jeffrey Epstein was. People
have said that he was working for the Massad, and
I disagree with that. I mean, he very well might
have been working with the Massad, but I just don't
see the dark side of the CIA getting letting the
dark side of the massade compromise American politicians on Americans.
So without getting a cut of that intelligence, I think
that that two have worked together.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, is it possible that it
was a sort of a he worked for different intelligence operations.
That's kind of what I thought.
Speaker 2: I have a tendency to think that it was primarily
Israeli an American. He very well might have worked for
other intelligence agencies. You've got a guy like Robert Maxwell
who's working for a number of different intelligence agencies. But
I think Epstein was primarily getting his protection, and a
guy like that needs protection from the Israelis and then
the Americans. And when that sweetheart deal was made, and
this is something I didn't know. There was a grand
jury that was impaneled in two thousand and seven, and
I thought that it had been adjourned very quickly, or
I didn't even know if it had been paneled. And
now we know that there was a grand jury impaneled
and that there was an investigation, and that there was
a sixty count indictment that was ready to be slapped
down on Epstein, and count fifty one was child trafficking,
which is a heavy sentence in the federal system. It's
fifteen a life. So with Epstein, the Feds, the Southern
District of Florida, Alexander A. Coosta, they were ready to
prosecute him, and they would have put him away forever.
And I'll tell you where the power comes from. In
that situation, he was given a sweetheart deal. He had
to do thirteen months in a county jail, and all
his co conspiras were given immunity. Now, Alexander Acrosta as
a US there's only two people in the government that
can tell a US attorney to stand down. One is
the Attorney General and one is the president. There's no
way that Alexander A Consta as a US attorney is
going to unilaterally cover up a pedophile network. And they
had a list, They had a list of thirty six victims,
but they knew of forty underage victims. Alexander A Consta
is going to do that. And Alberto Gonzalez was the
Attorney General at that point. And there's no way Alberto
Gonzdallas is going to go out and a lemon cover
up a nationwide pedophon network without his boss telling him too.
And his boss was George Bush too, the cognitively challenged
George Bush. And so that emanated from the highest apex
of the American political structure, the president. And I don't
see Bush two making sure that Epstein has that lenient
deal if he's not working with the CIA. I mean,
that's my take on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, also too, I saw several I think we all
know about Prince Andrew and all that. Do you think
there's potentially British intelligence connection. I'm thinking there were those
interesting pictures of Epstein having photographs of old news stories
from London Telegraph and other publications, the Independent that Princess
Diana had gotten divorced, and so there was this article
alleging that they had met, and some people were speculating
that maybe that he was wanting to have a liaison
or wanting to get with Princess die That was more speculation.
But we have the Prince Andrew. You know, those circles
are really well established. Do you think there's also British
intelligence angle to this? With five Eyes and sharing and
intelligence in the West.
Speaker 2: It's entirely possible. From what I have gleaned. The three
countries that do the most blackmailing and I don't know
if I'm giving them in the right order, but it's
the United States, It's UK, and it's Israel. Now I
don't think Russia is far behind them, but that's what
I've been told. And again I'm sure that wherever Epstein
went he was compromising people. I've got no doubts about that.
So and he spent a lot of time in the UK,
and actually I think he was more open in the
UK about what he was up to than he was
in the US. He actually there was an amazing article
written about Epstein and Maxwell and the Pedophile formerly known
as Prince Andrew and the Evening Standard. I think it
was two thousand and one. It was Nigel Rosser, who's
a pretty accomplished British journalist, and he talked about Epstein,
saying that Epstein said that he was with the CIA
on various occasions, but then at this point he was
kind of walking that back. And there were some other
interesting things in that article too. It said Roger Rosser
vote that Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein were doing business
in the nineteen nineties, said that Epstein was doing business
with Gates and Waxner and Trump in the nineteen nineties.
And we know that the mainstream media has maintained that
Gates met Epstein in twenty eleven, but according to this article,
they had met much earlier. And just about everything that
the mainstream media has manufactured about the Epstein case has
been pretty disingenuous. So I would have a tendency to
believe the Evening Standard article over the mainstream media in
our country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think there's interesting parallels with Jimmy Savile.
That's another case ELM guest House. You know that bears
parallels to what you've covered with Franklin and Craig Spence
and people like that, with the blackmail angle, and a
lot of people forget the weapons arms trafficking stuff, which
Whitney Webb talks about that early on in her book
in regard to addenan koshogi who seems to have had
kind of this international, high level ability to deal with
anybody under perhaps the purview of American and Israeli intelligence.
I think Kashowgi was Saudi, right, So, and then they
had his yacht fitted out to also record people, according
to Whitney Webb in the first couple of chapters of
her books, So we see these patterns of of the
places fitted to you know, capture blackmail. Is it true
that the Epstein estates I saw people alleging this? Do
you think it's true that they had cameras pretty much
set up everywhere? Did you were able to confirm that
so that we were pretty sure that it was blackmail?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? All his homes were wired for audiovision blackmail?
Speaker 1: Was it? I saw an email saying or a report
saying that Ehod Barack was the one that had come
to help set that up.
Speaker 2: Well, actually it came out recently. I mean, I think
just within the last couple of days. Epstein owned an
apartment building on sixty sixth Street where he kept girls
and young women and a who Barack, who is also
one of the pedophiles, and actually a very unsavory pedophile
at that who ever seen put deals. He would stay
in that apartment building quite often. And the Israelis wired
that apartment building for audio visual blackmail. I think that
they probably under the auspices that who Barack was a
former prime minister and former defense minister, so that was
part of his security, and that might have well been
the case too. But was definitely a blackmailer, I've got
no doubt about it. But the thing about what we
saw in the Franklin scandal, there were two primary pimps,
Lawrence King and Chray Spans, and Spance started to get
a lot of media on him and he ultimately ended
up killing himself. People on the internet say he was suicided.
I believe that he killed himself but I also believe
that he was given a choice. It was one of
those Vito Corleone moments where either you can kill yourself
or we will kill you. And he checked into the
Ritz Carlton and Boston and a tuxedo and took an
overdose of no triplane. And it's kind of interesting. He
had a article on his chest talking about CIA intelligence
people being called to testify before government entities, and he'd
been subpoenaed to testify at a grand jury. So he
was getting way too much media. And I don't think
Spence like Empstein. He was too used to living the
high life and he could not have withstood being in prison.
He just couldn't. Now King, on the other hand, he
was given the same rap that was given to Spence.
I'm pretty sure you got to keep your mouth shut.
And King was more I think willing to keep his
mouth shut, and I think that their handlers could see that.
So he did twelve years in pub fed's or I mean,
he was in the cushiest prisons that we have in
the federal system. And he got out after about twelve years,
and he had a no show job waiting for him
at a BMW dealership in Alexander, Virginia. He was taking
care of it, and I think the same thing kind
of went with Maxwell. Maxwell saw what happened to Epstein,
and she agreed to keep her mouth shut. And I
don't know if Ebstein could have I mean, he was
too used to the high life. I don't think that
he would have done well being incarcerated. And people say, well,
he was in megalomaniac and he never would have killed himself.
If you look at that last picture of him when
he was arrested and compared to prior pictures, he looked
like a totally defeated man, and it's entirely possible that
someone helped him kill himself. I don't discount that, but
I think that he probably killed himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to ask you too about the more speculative,
sort of scandalous sensational emails and topic the beef, jerky,
the tuna, the seafood. Do you believe that this is code?
Could it be code for organ trafficking? Could it be
code for cannibalism? Is that too far? What is your
thought on this recent furor that everybody has.
Speaker 2: Well, remember we had pizzagate some years ago, and I
didn't know what to make a pizza gate. I looked
into it, and actually I did spend some time on it,
and I got to the guy who could get me
to the guy that could start corroborating Pizzagate for me,
and all of a sudden, that interview just kind of evaporated,
and I'd put so much time into it that I
just moved on. And we both have philosophic training, and
I tried to approach everything agnostically like Socrates taught us.
And I went into Pizzagate agnostic, and I went out agnostic.
But you've got these emails about muffins and steaks and
pizza absolutely codes. But the thing about Epstein is he
didn't do drugs. I don't even think he drank, or
he drank very little. And he was very circumspect about
the food that he ate. He had a chef that
wherever he went, his chef went and prepared the food
that he wanted. So there's an email from Harry Fish.
He's a medical doctor, he's a urologist. He's like a
urologist of the stars. He's in New York City and
he said to Epstein, I can't wait till the next
time we go out for pizza and grape soda, and
I found Harry's number. I've been doing investigati journalism for
a long time, so I'm very good at getting people's numbers.
And I called him up and I said, Harry, my
name is Nick Brian. I'm a journalist, and i'd like
to know what's your favorite pizza and what brand of
grape soda would you suggest? And, much to my sugarin,
he didn't get back to me. But then I texted him,
and actually I put the text on Twitter and I said, Harry,
my name is Nick Brian. I left a voicemail for you,
just for my own personal atification. Could you tell me
what type of pizza you like and what brand of
grape soda you would suggest? And he never got back
to me. I mean, I think that that's kind of rude.
Don't you think that's rude?
Speaker 1: Jay, I'm not surprised. I wouldn't have expected him to
get back either, But I'm not really engaged in a
lot of investigative journalism. I just kind of stick to books,
so I don't know what to expect, but I wonder,
you know, just side a little side question, when when
you engage in those kinds of you know, calls or requests.
Do you mostly get ghosted and silenced? Or do you
do they act sometimes reply or what's the tendency?
Speaker 2: Sometimes people will pick up and I'll tell them who
I am, and then they bring the conversation to a
quick close. But I'm amazed at how easy it is.
I can get just about anybody's phone number on their
cell phone. It's when you've been doing it as long
as I have. The databases are pretty sophisticated, and you
can get sophisticated too, so it's pretty easy for me
to call people. I called Lawrence King, one of the
pimps in the Franklin scandal, and said, Larry, how you
doing this? Is Nick Bryant? And he said he wasn't him?
So that was kind of the end of the conversation.
Speaker 1: Have you, I mean, have you ever called anyone who
actually gave you like a good conversation and admitted things
or is it always just kind of hanging up.
Speaker 2: Some people have given me really good information, but it's rare.
It's rare, and it's generally not perpetrators. It's people on
the other side, right right, the victims, like I had
pretty good success calling the victims in Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book,
and I didn't call a lot of them. I mean
I called a number of numbers that were disconnected, but
then the ones that I talked to, most of them
were fairly open to talking to me. And that was
also the same with the Franklin Scan. I found twelve
victims of the Franklin Scan. I had a list of
sixty of them from a skill grandy documentary.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get an assessment of that overall from the
victims that you called and had conversations with. What's your
description of what's the TLDR that the the too long
didn't read assessment summary of how victims portray this operation.
Speaker 2: Their view of this operation is very myopic. They just
know about the sexual component, and I don't think that
they even realized how hooked up Jeffrey Epstein was the victims.
Most of the victims were kept in the dark, and
we're just used as his and his friend's sexual toys.
So I now, Virginia, do You Free? Is a different story.
I got to know her pretty well, and Epstein flew
her around and around and around, and she was with
Epstein for a couple of years and she was molested
by a lot of powerful guys, and from her I
got some really good information. But the other victims that
I've talked to primarily we're in the dark about how
expansive Jeffrey Epstein's reach was.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm thinking in terms of, you know the code words,
what is your theory on what the code words are?
So were you arguing that because he wanted a personal
chef and he was very attentive to like what he ate,
that he wouldn't be eating pizza and grape soda because
that's junk food, or were you saying that he was
attentive to what he was eating so there would not
be any cannibalism.
Speaker 2: It was obviously a code. So here's an email from
Susan Hamblin and she runs an aren An adoption charity,
and she says to Jeffrey Epstein that she's sending quote
unquote fresh muffins to the quote unquote island and asking
Jeffrey Epstein if you'd like additional steaks. And because this
woman is running in an adoption charity and she's hooked
up with Jeffrey Epstein, there's no way that she is
sending muffins and steaks to the Virgin Islands. I mean
that's obviously exactly for children. I believe children because of
her status.
Speaker 1: Is so the eating could be an analogy for the
sexual activity.
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Is there perhaps organ trafficking? Do you do you believe
that some bodies needed to be disposed with the sulfuric acid?
Is that a viable component of it as well?
Speaker 2: That's entirely possible. I mean there was a lot of
sulphuric acid that was and there were and the emails
have come out do talk about tunnels underneath the island?
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw that, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Who knows what was in those tunnels. I have talked
to some victims and they have said, there's just so
many girls that Epstein went through, and they wonder how
many are still alive? Yeah, yeah, and there were. With
the FSC Victims Compensation program, there were two hundred and
twenty five women that applied for compensation, and compensation was
awarded to one hundred and fifty, but eight of them
twelve of them declined to go through the victims Compensation
fund because if you got money from that compensation fund
or a conversation program you signed a release and you
could not go after any of your other perpetrators. It
was a superlative The Fstein victims compensation program was a
superlative cover up tool.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, I guess that's why a lot of
people set a lot of court right, that's a good
way to kind of just get it out of the media,
get it out of people's attention.
Speaker 2: And signed the release.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly now.
Speaker 2: And then one of the attorneys, his name was Stam Poinger.
He's dead now. He was a CIA asset and actually
he worked with Jeffrey Epstein in the early eighties. I
think that they were both putting together arms deals. PingER
was part of the October Surprise arms deal where the
Reagan camp told the Iranians. The Iranians took hostages in
the Reagan camp told the Iranians that if they held
onto the hostage till after Rangan became president, they would
sell them a surf feat of weapons at a reasonable price.
And Poner was one of the first people that laid
down the foundation of that deal. And then he is
in business with Epstein, and Epstein is with at that
point working with John Lees, who is a British arms dealer,
and they're sending arms from China communists China to Iran
because Iran was fighting the Iraqis, who we were also
providing Iraqis the weapons too. But the Stamp Pottinger, for
him to represent these Epstein victims was an abomination. I mean,
according to one of the Epstein victims, she was sodomized
by Stampoinger. And there's other There's another victim named Sarah
Ransom who has just been through hell. Man just been
through hell. I mean, she was molessed repeatedly by her stepfather,
and then Epstein got his hooks into her and just
treated her like a slave, like an animal. I mean,
he was swell and Epstein were just vicious to this
poor woman. And at a certain point in twenty eighteen,
she tried to kill herself. She jumped out a window
and she survived. And Stamp she's on heavy duty pay
medication and Psyche had medication, and Stamp Pottinger is sending
her emails pushing her to make a settle with the
Ebstein Victims Conversation program. Just really really cold blooded type stuff.
Speaker 1: It looked to me another question that I had for
somebody who's been in this for a while. Seems like
some of the emails suggested that at times he took
orders from some people or was told to do things
in certain cases. We have, for example, the email about assassination.
I saw people trying to demunk that and say, well,
maybe they're just talking about, you know, something in a
sexual way that's using the code of you know, killing
or something. I don't know what that was supposed to mean.
But do you think that there were instances where he
was being told what to do by certain people in
the case of like there was that one email you
have our spy, you know, and then another one about torturing.
Do you think that was sexual codes or do you
think that was actual espionage codes or words that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you can tell in his interactions
with less Wexner that he is giving less Wexner a
degree of deference that borders on fear. I think Wess
Wexner was probably the only person that really had a
lot of control over reps as an individuals, not as
an entity.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because that's that's the thing that a lot
of people are asking, like, well, who who would be
kind of above him? And presumably it would be people
with more money than that he had, and uh, you know,
and again there's always been the speculation about what does
it mean that he was a money manager? I mean,
presumably he was managing Wexner's money, right.
Speaker 2: It's so humorous less Wexner. Well, Epstein and Wexner had
this strange relationship. I mean, they were lovers, but then
they were also pedophiles together. And and Wexner gave Epstein
power of attorney for his vast fortune in nineteen ninety one.
And this is another case of the mainstream media being disingenuous.
And this is Vanity Fair, which is relatively sophisticated magazine
that will never ever let me write an article for them.
But the reason okay, and I mean I'm not being
facetious about this at all, The reason why Les Wexner
gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his vast fortune
in nineteen ninety one was because he was lonely. I means, yeah,
Vanity Fair says that.
Speaker 1: And you're you're also then of the opinion of the
view that Epstein is bisexual as well, which is relevant
to this proclivities issue, because I don't think a lot
of people notice that or thought about that until this
recent dump. When did you queue into that.
Speaker 2: I knew about Epstein and Wexner, I mean like a
bisexual relations and ship many many years ago, probably I
don't know, five years ago.
Speaker 1: Do you think the majority of the trafficking being as
far as I could tell them, almost mostly women, was
that just to serve the proclivities of other wealthy, powerful people.
Do we have evidence of young boys in any of this?
Speaker 2: There is some evidence of boys, and I think that
that was Wexner's That's what Wexner preferred, was young boys.
I mean, he'd my last young girls. He's an evil,
malignant man. But yeah, I mean there are accounts of boys,
but they're rare. I think that there was a pedophile
network out of Chicago that was for writing wexnert with
little boys. That's that's what I've been told. Have a
tendency to believe that. But yeah, I think Wexner that
was his preferences is little boys.
Speaker 1: Now, we've also seen a lot of people talking about
Peter Nigard, Jean lu Burnell, the modeling fashion world. Of course,
Wexner connects to that with owning a bunch of the
brands that we all know from the two thousands. What
exactly is the connection to the fashion world. Is it
just looking and scouting out for beautiful women or models
or is that a cover MC two and it is
that are being a cover for a way to sort
of spot underage trafficked people. Is that most likely? What
that is?
Speaker 2: Oh? Big time yes. And they had a mechanism. According
to Virginia's You're Free, they had a mechanism, and I
think I know the person that was part of the mechanism.
They had a mechanism. They would go to or Burnell
would go to Eastern Europe and he would buy girls.
I mean he wouldn't rent girls, he would buy girls.
And then they had a mechanism that would give them
visas to allow them into the United States. And absolutely
there's another aspect of the fashion industry that I've been
I've really looked into, and now we're just maybe seen
starting to see some glimpses of it. I knew someone
that was very high in the occult in New York City,
and because when I was digging around there was there
was a very significant occult part of Franklin.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was going to ask about that next with
that same we go ahead.
Speaker 2: And I was wondering if there was an occult facet
of Epstein, and because there were so many similarities between
the two networks, and this individual told me that the
occult is rife in the modeling industry. And there's that
temple on Epstein's island that has I suppose someone people
have postulated that it's a image of malac or a
sculpture of malac above the door.
Speaker 1: It's like an owl or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that and Moloch was a guy that you
sacrificed children two. But I, as far as like my
begging around, I could not find the occult component of Ebstein,
although the emails are starting to allude to various occult
aspects of Ebstein.
Speaker 1: So that's one one that popped up a couple of
days ago, and I had the exact same interest. That's
where I was going to go next, was is there
a you know, an esoteric occult angle to what he's
up to. There was apparently what's supposed to be a
reading list and books that had recently purchased, and there
was some tantric sex magic text, some other sort of
weird gnostic type tax that were there, so that if
that was real, that would suggest a degree of interest
in sex magic. I think he would definitely be drawn
to that. But in the Bandon interview, I thought it
was interesting with livestream and commented on the whole thing.
He seems to hint that elements of cobbalistic ideas, but
nothing explicit. He says he does find alchemy fascinating. That's
not a huge deal, but you know, it's just sort
of touching on the edges of it. Did you see
his Amazon book list and the stuff that he was purchasing.
Speaker 2: Yes, actually I was ware of the Amazon book list
a long time ago, and okay, and that kind of
indicated Yeah, definitely the occult you I saw that you
had tweeted about this. I think she was a victim
that where she said that she when she when she
was in a lot of pains, she thought of Jesus
and it helped her.
Speaker 1: Oh, the one where they were talking about being in
the bed and then they told the little girl, yeah,
Jesus won't help you. And then somebody said you should
dress up as Jesus next time.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that you would call that satanic, And I
mean that's very, very very dark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just but to put together the specifics,
I mean, actual proof. It's still a little iffy. But
I'm curious though about Zora Ranch, because what do you
think that was a sort of a John of God
style operation. I'm sure you've heard of that. Yeah, yeah,
sort of baby farming, brooding brood operation that got shut down.
He was closely associated with Oprah, who promoted him quite
a bit. I saw a lot of parallels between what
perhaps Epstein was trying to do with Zora Ranch. What's
the skinny on Zoro Ranch? Is it also a sort
of a mad scientist lab where he wants to experiment
with genetics and in some form of transhumanism. Is that
what that is?
Speaker 2: Yes? Now, there was a Epstein victim who is a
very street woman, which she's very damaged, and she said
that she went unconscious and then came to and what
she thought was a laboratory underneath or a ranch, and
there was a woman doctor harvesting her obums. But she's
also said some other things that are kind of out there,
so it's difficult to know. But if you look at
the emails, Epstein is heavily involved in eugenics and cloning
and cloning, isn't that difficult. When Dolly the sheep was cloned,
it's to clone someone or something, a living being. All
you got to do is get an ovum, take the
DNA out of the oven, which is relatively easy, insert
the DNA that you want into the ovum, and then
given an electrical charge, and then sometimes it starts the
mitosis process and the cell stairs, and sometimes it doesn't.
But it's relatively easy to clone. There are people in
New York City that are cloning their French bulldogs and
I kind of look at French I mean, I don't
have anything to get the French. I don't have anything
as bulldogs, but I kind of look at French bulldogs
kind of little creatures. I don't know why someone that's
been sixty five thousand dollars, but anyway, that's my own prejudice,
but I think you can go on a human for
about one point five million dollars. And I firmly believe
that Jeffrey Epstein was cloning himself. One of the reasons
why Virginia ji Free got out, well, there were a
couple of reasons that E'mstein and Maxwell wanted to impregnate her.
And but before that, she was sent to Thailand to
pick up and bring her back to the US. And
when I mean young, I'm talking about a minor, very
young miner. And she met her who would become her boyfriend,
who was on vacation in Thailand, and then they got
married like a week later, and then she moved to
back to Australia where he lived and she just got out.
But and then there's these other accounts too, and then
the Brian Bishop emails of cloning. You could tell that
here's a guy that was really in the clone and
Epstein and the emails is saying he's going to subsidize Bishop.
So I believe that was definitely part of the transhumanism,
definitely part of the gold. There's that one email where, ah,
you can't think of his name. He's a pretty renowned researcher,
and he's talking about giving baby male babies hormone blockers
and giving babies cover that one now, yeah, and basically
creating hermaphrodites, right, and he thought that that would just
be the greatest thing in the world, that he'd create
these very sexy her I guess that there are a
subgenus of humans that like hermaphrodites. I don't know, I've
never really.
Speaker 1: Now in regard to the sort of mad science domain
of this, we saw also some odd emails of a guy.
His name was like you y you you go or
something else, and that one seemed to speak of him
sort of spotting a girl that could be a potential
subject that Jeffrey could use because she had undergone ritual abuse,
sexual abuse, or trauma. Perhaps Jeffrey could look into this
and use her because she was at stage three of
the process. What did you mean?
Speaker 2: I really, I mean that reach of mind control to me,
And I've got an mk A document. I think it's
Subproject one where it's talked about using electroshock drugs hypnosis
to induce small old personality and ultimately and ultimately side.
And I believe that our government, I mean remote viewing,
which was above ground for twenty years or so, is
just about psychic abilities. I mean it's called remote viewing
to give it some kind of tangible right explanation. But
I believe that remote viewing is alive and well it
just went underground.
Speaker 1: And probably that email is referring to sending her to
Jeffrey because and this is something I noticed to it.
I'm not seeing you didn't cover this. I haven't seen
a lot of other people mentioning. We had a few
royals and elites offering up their children. There was one
of the daughters of Sophia, I want to say, of
den Mark or Bulgaria for you where it was. But
they were basically saying, hey, jeff here's a here's our daughter.
What do you think of her? Could you use her? Right?
And then the princess of the Prince of Norway was
talking about her son. There's too there's two different ones.
She's talking about her son saying, hey, jeff could you
give me parenting advice on my son? You know so?
And then she wanted perhaps to have a baby with Jeffrey.
So they it's almost like the the global elites looked
to him as a king maker kind of person, even
for your for your offspring perhaps or even having offspring
with him. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. You can certainly extrapolate that. That's
what those emails allude to. For sure. It's it's such
a different way of thinking. That's strata. Now it's being
called the Epstein class you ever Readthorsting Bedlin's The Leisure Class.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a classic. And Epstein called the book
is called the Leisure Class, and he comments on how
the leisure class or how the aristocrats are just much
more predatory. And he looks at all different types of
cultures and he shows that people that that are affluent
are much more predatory than people in the society that
that not and I and we're seeing that with these
with these Epstein emails, that there is a strata of
our society that is very predatory. And really I think
could care less about what we as mere mortals think.
They believe that they're living a mon.
Speaker 1: Olympus, right right, yeah, I mean quickly. Even at the
end of his trait and Hoe talks about it. He
talks about that difference between the norms and you know
that's so called elite class, and that you know that
that's why they send their children to boarding school. They
have you know, nannies because they don't want the child
to have the attention and you know, nourishment that a
mom gives, and because it tends to kind of create
a more of a psychopathic tendency, which they think, oh, well,
that's what you need to be a leader, is to
be a total psychopath. So that that's interesting to see
that kind of be confirmed in the emails and more
emails that stood out to you as surprising or making
connections that you didn't expect. Oh, this one. Want to
get your take on this, because I found this very
fascinating because I've read quite a bit on the abuse
subjects within the Roman Catholic world. And we saw one
email of a person referring back to a time when
Jeffrey Epstein lived at the Vatican for some unspecified time.
In that email, it's discussed that they had conversation with
John Paul about architecture and columns. Many people were saying, well,
we can't really prove that he was talking there a
little in there. However, we do know that he was
there in a picture with just laying being blessed by
John Paul the Second. We know John Paul the Second
also gave a high level papal knighthood award to procure
criminal Jimmy Savile. And then we have another email where
it's alleged I think Epstein says that John Paul the
Second gave him some piece of architectural something that he
put on ceiling. He seems to know the inner workings
of the Vatican Bank pretty well. So what did you make?
And then he's also organizing flights for Pope Francis it seems,
so what do you make of the Vatican angle? Is
this all much to do about nothing? Is there actually
something there? What's your take on that?
Speaker 2: Well, if you're gonna launder money, the Vatican Bank is
the go to bank.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he says.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's no oversight with the Vatican Bank. The
Vatican is its own country. There was that scandal with
Bishop Marcinkus, whoever saw the.
Speaker 1: Vatican you exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and P two Lodge, And I think that why
would these people stop using the Vatican Bank? I mean,
I mean Marcinkus retired and he I believe he ended
up in Arizona. But nothing ever happened to him. I mean,
the whole thing was quashed. Not too many, not a
lot of people know about except for you guys like
you and me that read books about Gladio and things
like that. So I don't have a problem believing that
Jeffrey Amstein, and given his connection to all these banks
that the Vatican make is probably still being used to
launder money or whatever. I mean, who knows.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Do you think that him knowing
and having a degree of relationship or closeness with John
Paul the second is that legitimate? Do you think he
was just kind of ragging about himself, puffing up something
that wasn't there? What's your your sense on that one.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but I do believe that
these emails might bore this out, that he had some
kind of relationship with the Vatican Bank. That makes the
most sense to me. I mean, I believe that he
was an atheist. He was Jewish culturally, but I'm sure
that he looked at Catholicism as a fairy tale. Sure
the Vatican Bank is very very real.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, absolutely, Now, speaking of that atheism angle, did
you find did you see the Bannon interview? Did you
find any of those comments interesting? When he's talking about
reality being something that we project from our mind and
it's all code and mathematics, and you got these other
emails where he's talking about dimensions, Well, what did you
make of those sort of speculative topics in the emails?
And the band in interview.
Speaker 2: It's very strange. I mean, in some of those emails
he's talking about metaphysics. I don't, you know, it's hard
to say because usually people that are atheists don't really
believe in extrasensory perception and things like that. Right, So
it's really difficult to know what Epstein believed, other than.
Speaker 1: When Bannon asked him about the soul, right, and they
have that weird exchange about the soul, and he says
something like, well, look that we don't have we can't
quantify the soul, but there's all these things in physics
that you can't quantify, like quarks, and the soul is
kind of like a quark or so it's a really
it's almost like he was taking a lot of the
new physics and that kind of stuff and just sort
of positing that maybe religion and all that is just
what that field of physics is describing is the way
I understood it.
Speaker 2: That of physics. It's it's difficult to know what Ebstein believe.
There's some talk of metaphysics. There is some talk of
extra sense or giftedness with that the woman that the
girl or woman that's in stage three but most hardcore
atheists that I know have a real hard time embracing
even psychic ability, right, because that would entail some kind
of metaphysical interconnectedness, Right. I would really like to find
out whether or not he was really down with the
occult that would That's been something I've been looking into
for a long time, and hopefully we can get some
more answers from these emails.
Speaker 1: What about the You know, we've covered a lot of
different angles here. I don't know what your time of
frame here is for for discussion, but what about Okay,
international finance. This is another topic that I think is
overlooked because you know, it's kind of mysterious, and we
mentioned the Vatican Bank and and that kind of stuff.
But one thing that struck me as odd was Number one.
It seems like he's explaining to Larry Summers. You would
you would think is a sort of a Harvard bankster
Clinton era guy. He would know about international banking and
perhaps the Vatican Bank. He seems to be explaining how
that works to Larry Summers when he mentions at the
beginning of the band An interview, he says that, yeah,
fractional reserve banking and abandon seems to be kind of
again mystified as to what exactly they're discussing. Why does
this matter? Why did that get you recruited into, you know,
the circles of Kissinger and Rockefeller. You know that. So
you know, a lot of people speculated too that another
reason that there might have been an attempt to sort
of cover up and suppress this latest trunks coming out
would be due to actually money laundering and money scandals
that could perhaps bring down the Western economy. Who knows
exactly whether that's the case or what that means, but
it looks like there's a shadow banking sort of thing
going on here. And we noticed between him and Orienta
de Rothschild, the various emails that they have discussing these
topics that it's almost like they see conflicts and all
these situations as a totally different way of gaming the market,
shorting the market based on advanced intelligence. I thought that
was funny because when I went back and looked at
the Morton authorized barca of the Rothschild's, they brag about
the fact that, you know, two hundred years ago at Waterloo,
they had advanced intelligence. And so here's the Jeffery epste
two undred years ish later basically doing the same thing. Yeah,
we have upupdated intelligence. We short the market. All the
normies and the guiyam they you know, they go on
the basis of what the real world says. We have
the inside information. I thought that was really insightful as
the way the way that the predatory class actually operate well.
Speaker 2: Fractional reserve banking is kind of a scam. I think
we both would probably agree on that. With Epstein. Where
you really get insight into Epstein is the emails. There
was a Middle East hacking group that got three years
worth of emails between Epstein and Hue Barock, and those
emails are really talent because it's Epstein and a Hubbarock
putting together arms deals first from Mongolia and then they
sold like a Big Brother surveillance system to a couple
of African dictators. And Epstein they're talking about these troubled
areas in the world and Epstein tells who Barack, Well,
this is where we can make some money. We could
sell them arms, which is and Epstein had been in
the arms business going way back after he left Baris Stearns.
He got into the arms business so I think that
that was just one of the many fingers that he
had in the big pie.
Speaker 1: Do you think that would have been a major reason
to try to shut it down? I mean, obviously people
don't want to have their private proclivities exposed and that
kind of blackmail type stuff. But is there was there
a real danger that the international market scam complex would
be taken down? Or was that an excuse to try
to cover up and to not have the files released.
Speaker 2: I think that there are multiple reasons why we're having
difficulties getting the other three million files, and international banking
could be one of them. I think Epstein's various connections
with intelligence agencies could be one of them. I think
that some of the people that would be named could
be one of them. But the Trump administration has not
lived up to the letter of the law of the
Epstein Transparency Act. We should have gotten all those emails
and those names. All those names shouldn't be redacted. So
the Trump administration is want this tooth and nail. But
I will say this, I'm kind of amazed about the
information that's come out with this latest trench. But the
thing is people are just going down wormholes with it.
We have to take this information and we can change
our government because of this information. And I think that
that is one thing that I think Americans. I think
there's two things that make Americans kind of despondent. I
think that they've been divided and conquered with the right
left paradigm. The left thanks the rights men leel the
right things, the left men le ill, and it's just
a very easy to bide and conquer. And then I
think Americans have been conditioned to think that they really
can't affect change. And when you superimpose those two trends,
you end up with what we have now, which is
not helping Americans. And a lot of Americans are in
a lot of trouble financially, just trying to support themselves.
Kids today that get out of college, they're heavily in debt.
They're never going to be able to buy a house, right.
And the rich keep getting richer before to keep getting poorer.
And that's really been escalating since the plague. And we
as Americans, and the reason why is because our government's
a sewer and we have a chance now to clean
out the sewer. We really do. We know that a
lot of our politicians are compromised. We know that Jeffrey
Epstein at all compromise and number them. And there's three
things that our politicians have. They've got arrogance, which makes
people stupid. They've got lust, which makes people stupid. And
they've got greed, which makes people stupid. And when you're
speaking of alchemy, if you combine those three you get
very very smart people being very very stupid. Bill Clinton
comes to mind immediately. So what we need and the
only way that we're going to be able to get
to the bottom of this is Epstein Justice, this organization
that I'm part of. What we need is an independent
congressional commission. And an independent congressional commission is very different
than other congressional investigations because it does not require a
signature from the president. It just requires a majority in
the House and a majority in the Senate. And with
independent congressional commissions, oftentimes non government personnel are incorporated, or
the entire investigation it's farmed out to non government personnel.
And that's what we're going to need because if the well,
I mean now the Trump administration, which is being really
disingenmous saying that there's that Epstein had no co conspirators,
which I mean, they must really think we're stupid. But
we need that independent Congressional commission. It's going to be
our only shot to clean out and I think that
this will be the best chance in our lifetimes to
clean out our government. And it might be the best
chance in our lifetime to clean out our government before
it takes it off a cliff, before our leaders take
us off a cliff, because I think that that's where
we're heading.
Speaker 1: You mentioned a while back, oh, people should look out
at Franklin scandal. There. That's the book that the Nick
has put out where you were going to do an
Epstein book. I'm assuming that maybe I had to put
a little pause on it given all this new information.
Are you still doing an Epstein book.
Speaker 2: I'm still working on an Epstein book. I've got probably
forty thousand words. Yeah. I thought about writing Epstein book
ten years ago. If I'd written an Epstein book ten
years ago, you have to redo it, yeah, completely. But
I'm I really want to write a definitive Epstein book.
The books that have come out about Epstein have been
extremely shallow, and if I'm going to be generous, I
would call them extremely shallow. But because I've been kind
of at the ground floor of Epstein since since twenty eleven,
and I've made a lot of connections in this world.
I mean, I made them with Franklin, but I've also
made them with Epstein too. I think that I could
run a very good book on Jeffrey Epstein at this point,
or Jeffrey Epstein at all at this point.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, Nick, I really appreciate you coming on, And
of course people can check out your links and your information.
I'll have them in the show description below, and any
other things you want to plug, like the Justice for
Epstein Victim's website or anything like that. Future projects. What
do you got coming up next?
Speaker 2: The most important thing in my life right now is
Epstein Justice. So I would suggest that your audience for
the Epstein Justice dot com. It's very funny I talk
about Epstein Justice, I talk about an independent Congressional Commissioner.
We've given this a lot of thought, and we're organizing
people by state to put pressure on their federal legislators.
And I'll give an email, I'll give an interview like
the interview that I just gave you, and then comments
in the conversations, they'll be how can we do anything
about this after I've explained it? So I mean, and
that is what I've talked about earlier, that the superimposing
between the right and the left and American thinking they
can condition to change, but we can. It's up to us.
And I think that we need to affect change because
this is going to be our best opportunity. As I said,
our leaders are going to take us off a cliff
and before they do that, we have the ability right
now to make some substantial changes. All right.
Speaker 1: The book is Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant, and of
course he is a veteran when it comes to the
Epstein subject matter. Nick, thank you so much for coming
on and I look forward to future conversations.
Speaker 2: Great to be Ruth, you Jay