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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Jasonallis. Of course, we discussed a

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lot of these issues about a year or two ago

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with Nick Bryant. He's also published by my publisher. His

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book is The Franklin Scandal. My books are SSR, Hollywood one, two,

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and three. That is Trying Day and Nick joins us

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today to talk about the new Epstein files, all of

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the recent information coming out on a daily, minute by

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minute basis. Everything gets crazy every minute. There's some new

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wild email that five years ago, ten years ago would

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have been a week long news story. Well, it's minute

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by minute now. So Nick joins us. He is one

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of the first to deal with this issue via the

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Gawker publication of The Black Book of jeff Sinon mceffrey

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or Jeffrey as we say over here, Nick, what's up

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and tell us about your background.

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Speaker 2: Good to see. How's my favorite stand up comic philosopher

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Eastern Orthodox Christion.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not technically doing a lot of stand up yet,

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but I am writing for comedee and so we're trying

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to maybe one day.

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Speaker 2: Just keep that in mind, and you're aspiring. I've been

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I've been on the Epstein beat since twenty eleven, and

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I acquired his Black Book in October of twenty eleven.

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And Epstein has under euphemistically, he has massages and under

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massages are a lot of the victims. And there's massage Florida,

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there's massage New Mexico. There's a massage LA there's a

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massage in New York. And I started calling those numbers.

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And the first call was kind of strange because I

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was talking to the mother of an Epstein victim and

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she was in the room. The victim was, but the

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mother was doing the talking, and I just said, my

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name's Nick Brian, I'm a journalist and I'm looking into

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the Jeffrey Epstein trafficking network. And I was wondering, your

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daughter trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein, and she said, well, she'd been.

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He had sexually abused her since she was thirteen years old.

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So that was my first call, and then my second

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call was with a woman who'd been flown to different states.

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And then my third call was with a woman who'd

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been flown to an island, and we really didn't know

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about the island at that point. We didn't know about

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Orgy Island. So once I had that nailed down. I

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felt when I went down there, there were accounts of

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Jeffrey Epstein molesting multiple underage girls, and there was a

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grand jury that said he hadn't molested a single underage girl.

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And I saw that with the Franklin scandal, where there

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were actually two corrupt grand juries, and the Franklin network

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was a huge network. I think it was actually bigger

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than Epstein's. It wasn't as around as long as Epstein's,

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but I think it was probably bigger. And those two

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grand juries declared that not a single chief had been abused.

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So I saw the compatibility between the two, and that's

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what I went down to Florida, and I eventually started

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calling Epstein's inner circle, and I just wanted to see

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what they would say. None of them pick up except

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for Sarah Kellen, who is the right hand woman of

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Gallinne Maxwell, the henchwoman of Gallainne Maxwell, who led hundreds

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of lambs to the slaughter and asked the evil woman.

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And I started to talk to her, and she said

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how unfairly the media had treated her. She was commiserating

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about how unfairly she'd been treated by the media, and

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I did not share that attitude with her, and I

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think I might have expressed myself a little bit, and

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so the conversation got brought to a quick cessation. And

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then all these years later, these email else are coming

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out and there's a center. Her name or his name

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is redacted, but it goes to all of Epstein's inner circle,

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and it said there's a journalist named Nick Bryant who

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is down here looking around and everybody has their quote

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unquote be aware of him. And then they had a

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picture of me in the email. And there were two

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more emails where Epstein was supposed to call me once

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it alarm, JE called Nick Bryant. So apparently leaving all

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those messages for the inner circlet, uh got my they

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got my attention, or I got their attention.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean, you know, you've been on this

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case for a long time, and it's it's neat to see.

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I mean it's neat. Maybe it's ominous on it, but interesting,

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fascinating to see that they did have tabs on quite

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a few people. But you know, you you clearly played

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a central role and who needed to be watched and

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perhaps you know, who knows what do you think they

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would have perhaps looked at legal action. Do you think

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they were wanted to smear you or do you know

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that they had any did they have any kind of reprisal?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what their intent was. I took a

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lot of harassment when I wrote the Franklin Scandal, including

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the death threat, So there were a number of things

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that were thrown at me, and I'm sure I'm rather

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ub to, so I'm sure that there were a number

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of other threats that I just didn't pick up on.

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But anyway, there is one thing that was strange. Shortly

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after my visit to Florida, my mail was blatantly opened,

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I mean blatantly, and I had no idea because I

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was also at that point I was working on a

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book called Confessions of a DC Man in the Politics

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and Sexualizing Blackmail, and it was about a guy ran

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a gay escort service in DC and.

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Speaker 1: That's Henry Vn. I have that text.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Henry and I were going to start working

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on that book. So it could have been an aggregate

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of those things, or it just could have been Ebstein.

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Speaker 1: Now this recent trunch that's come out here, I've covered

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it pretty consistently for the last twelve thirteen days, and

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it's been insane, a lot of different avenues to go down.

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things that surprised you. There were definitely things that surprised me,

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stuff I didn't expect. I'm sure you've been following this

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case longer than I have, so you have maybe a

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bigger bird's eye view of this. But what are some

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of the things that immediately stood out that shocked you

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or surprised you? And then I also want to talk

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about some of the more speculative, salacious types of things,

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the weird food terminology. You want to get your take

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on that. But what's the thing, What are some of

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the things that surprised you.

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Speaker 2: First, I've been at this for a long time. I

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started investigating Franklin in two thousand and two, two thousand

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and three, and those pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spencer,

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I mean, they were evil guys, and I always wondered,

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I mean, if you're a human trafficker, a child trafficker,

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you're a vicious individual, and chances are you're a psychopath.

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So I never had any illusion about Epstein and Maxwell

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being psychopaths. But there was a couple that just kicked

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me in the gut. I mean really kicked me in

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the gut. The UCLA neuroscientist who has an MD and

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abuse and he writes to Ebstein about how to enhance

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a baby's a baby's infants sucking ability. I after all,

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I've spoken at anti trafficking conferences, I've talked to scores

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of victims, and I'm aware of the most evil thing

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things done to children. But that one got me. That

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was hard to you, hard to

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deal with him.

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Speaker 2: And I guess doctor Tramo is not getting his contract

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at UCLA, which is a very good thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen several prime ministers and un types sort

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of step down, even some CEOs supposedly stepping down. They'll

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probably just go into some other cushy position. But what

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about did you have a I know you probably did

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from the Franklin information. But one thing that surprised me was,

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you know, I'd followed and read books on Epstein over

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the years and looked into it to a decent degree,

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but I was a little bit surprised at the international

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scope of a lot of the Epstein emails, in particularly

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regard to first or second day people had dug up

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plans where he had to meet. He was going to

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meet with like fifteen different world leaders, heads of state.

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how it works, inner workings of that. He's talking to

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Ariandre Rothschald about you know, the Ukraine and making money

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from that when when there's a you know, chaos desabilization there.

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So stuff that's pretty international in scope. Was that surprising

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at all to you? Or did you already kind of

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figure it was already international.

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Speaker 2: I knew it was international. I didn't think that he

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had the connections to various prime ministers that he did.

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That that surprised me. That he could tap into just

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about any country's power brokers, that is one thing that

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surprised me. I knew that he was pandering these young

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girls to various people in Europe. I had no doubt

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about that. But yeah, just his international connections. I mean,

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Jeffrey Epstein was a very talented guy. He was good

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at trafficking underage girls. He was good at laundry money,

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he was good at putting together arms deals. If I

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was Team Evil and I had a first round draft pick,

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I would pick Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, Jeffrey. If your

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Team Evil, Jeffrey Ebstey might be the overall first round pick.

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Speaker 1: You're a long time yeah, yeah, you're a sort of

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an expert on this. I want to get your take

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my assessment. I want you to tell me how correct

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that was in this. My assessment was, he seems to

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be kind of like a PhD in organized crime. He's

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really good at networking, synthesizing, and putting together different things

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at you know, multiple different disciplines or criminal operations. I

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guess you could say, is he like a criminal operations expert?

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Speaker 2: He is, But he also had that get out of

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jail free card too, and a lot of criminal masterminds

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don't have that get out of jail free card. So

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that's what differentiated Jeffrey Epstein from a number of high

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class criminals that we know about. And Jeffrey didn't have

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Speaker 1: Would you say that that untouchable status again probably has

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to do with working at intelligence or above intelligence levels

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via Trilateral Commission that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, he was definitely plug into the Trailae permission

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and other organizations. But I believe and I've always people

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say he's working for Israelian intelligence, and I always have

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maintained and actually.

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Speaker 1: The Internet you're cutting out there for a second. Internet

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was sometimes this happens. I don't think it's a conspiracy.

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for a second. It's just Internet. It's not conspiracy or

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anything like that. Go ahead. And so you've always maintained what.

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Speaker 2: Well I've always made attained that Jeffrey Epstein was. People

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have been working with the Massad, but I just don't

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see the dark side of the CIA getting letting the

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dark side of the massade compromise American politicians on Americans.

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that that two have worked together.

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Speaker 2: I have a tendency to think that it was primarily

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Israeli an American. He very well might have worked for

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other intelligence agencies. You've got a guy like Robert Maxwell

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who's working for a number of different intelligence agencies. But

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I think Epstein was primarily getting his protection, and a

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guy like that needs protection from the Israelis and then

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the Americans. And when that sweetheart deal was made, and

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this is something I didn't know. There was a grand

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jury that was impaneled in two thousand and seven, and

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I thought that it had been adjourned very quickly, or

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I didn't even know if it had been paneled. And

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now we know that there was a grand jury impaneled

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and that there was an investigation, and that there was

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a sixty count indictment that was ready to be slapped

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down on Epstein, and count fifty one was child trafficking,

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which is a heavy sentence in the federal system. It's

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fifteen a life. So with Epstein, the Feds, the Southern

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District of Florida, Alexander A. Coosta, they were ready to

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prosecute him, and they would have put him away forever.

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that situation, he was given a sweetheart deal. He had

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to do thirteen months in a county jail, and all

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his co conspiras were given immunity. Now, Alexander Acrosta as

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a US there's only two people in the government that

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the Attorney General and one is the president. There's no

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way that Alexander A Consta as a US attorney is

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going to unilaterally cover up a pedophile network. And they

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had a list, They had a list of thirty six victims,

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is going to do that. And Alberto Gonzalez was the

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Attorney General at that point. And there's no way Alberto

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Gonzdallas is going to go out and a lemon cover

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up a nationwide pedophon network without his boss telling him too.

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And his boss was George Bush too, the cognitively challenged

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George Bush. And so that emanated from the highest apex

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of the American political structure, the president. And I don't

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see Bush two making sure that Epstein has that lenient

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deal if he's not working with the CIA. I mean,

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that's my take on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, also too, I saw several I think we all

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know about Prince Andrew and all that. Do you think

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there's potentially British intelligence connection. I'm thinking there were those

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interesting pictures of Epstein having photographs of old news stories

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from London Telegraph and other publications, the Independent that Princess

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Diana had gotten divorced, and so there was this article

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alleging that they had met, and some people were speculating

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that maybe that he was wanting to have a liaison

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or wanting to get with Princess die That was more speculation.

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But we have the Prince Andrew. You know, those circles

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are really well established. Do you think there's also British

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intelligence angle to this? With five Eyes and sharing and

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intelligence in the West.

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Speaker 2: It's entirely possible. From what I have gleaned. The three

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countries that do the most blackmailing and I don't know

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if I'm giving them in the right order, but it's

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the United States, It's UK, and it's Israel. Now I

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don't think Russia is far behind them, but that's what

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I've been told. And again I'm sure that wherever Epstein

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went he was compromising people. I've got no doubts about that.

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and actually I think he was more open in the

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UK about what he was up to than he was

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in the US. He actually there was an amazing article

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written about Epstein and Maxwell and the Pedophile formerly known

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as Prince Andrew and the Evening Standard. I think it

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was two thousand and one. It was Nigel Rosser, who's

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a pretty accomplished British journalist, and he talked about Epstein,

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saying that Epstein said that he was with the CIA

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on various occasions, but then at this point he was

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kind of walking that back. And there were some other

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interesting things in that article too. It said Roger Rosser

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vote that Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein were doing business

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in the nineteen nineties, said that Epstein was doing business

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with Gates and Waxner and Trump in the nineteen nineties.

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And we know that the mainstream media has maintained that

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Gates met Epstein in twenty eleven, but according to this article,

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they had met much earlier. And just about everything that

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the mainstream media has manufactured about the Epstein case has

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been pretty disingenuous. So I would have a tendency to

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believe the Evening Standard article over the mainstream media in

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our country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think there's interesting parallels with Jimmy Savile.

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That's another case ELM guest House. You know that bears

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parallels to what you've covered with Franklin and Craig Spence

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and people like that, with the blackmail angle, and a

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lot of people forget the weapons arms trafficking stuff, which

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Whitney Webb talks about that early on in her book

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in regard to addenan koshogi who seems to have had

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kind of this international, high level ability to deal with

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anybody under perhaps the purview of American and Israeli intelligence.

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I think Kashowgi was Saudi, right, So, and then they

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had his yacht fitted out to also record people, according

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to Whitney Webb in the first couple of chapters of

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her books, So we see these patterns of of the

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places fitted to you know, capture blackmail. Is it true

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that the Epstein estates I saw people alleging this? Do

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you think it's true that they had cameras pretty much

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set up everywhere? Did you were able to confirm that

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so that we were pretty sure that it was blackmail?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? All his homes were wired for audiovision blackmail?

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Speaker 1: Was it? I saw an email saying or a report

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saying that Ehod Barack was the one that had come

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to help set that up.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually it came out recently. I mean, I think

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just within the last couple of days. Epstein owned an

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apartment building on sixty sixth Street where he kept girls

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and young women and a who Barack, who is also

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one of the pedophiles, and actually a very unsavory pedophile

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at that who ever seen put deals. He would stay

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in that apartment building quite often. And the Israelis wired

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that apartment building for audio visual blackmail. I think that

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they probably under the auspices that who Barack was a

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former prime minister and former defense minister, so that was

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part of his security, and that might have well been

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the case too. But was definitely a blackmailer, I've got

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no doubt about it. But the thing about what we

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saw in the Franklin scandal, there were two primary pimps,

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Lawrence King and Chray Spans, and Spance started to get

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a lot of media on him and he ultimately ended

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up killing himself. People on the internet say he was suicided.

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I believe that he killed himself but I also believe

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that he was given a choice. It was one of

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those Vito Corleone moments where either you can kill yourself

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or we will kill you. And he checked into the

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Ritz Carlton and Boston and a tuxedo and took an

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overdose of no triplane. And it's kind of interesting. He

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had a article on his chest talking about CIA intelligence

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people being called to testify before government entities, and he'd

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been subpoenaed to testify at a grand jury. So he

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was getting way too much media. And I don't think

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Spence like Empstein. He was too used to living the

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high life and he could not have withstood being in prison.

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He just couldn't. Now King, on the other hand, he

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was given the same rap that was given to Spence.

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I'm pretty sure you got to keep your mouth shut.

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And King was more I think willing to keep his

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mouth shut, and I think that their handlers could see that.

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So he did twelve years in pub fed's or I mean,

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he was in the cushiest prisons that we have in

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the federal system. And he got out after about twelve years,

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and he had a no show job waiting for him

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at a BMW dealership in Alexander, Virginia. He was taking

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care of it, and I think the same thing kind

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of went with Maxwell. Maxwell saw what happened to Epstein,

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and she agreed to keep her mouth shut. And I

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don't know if Ebstein could have I mean, he was

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too used to the high life. I don't think that

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he would have done well being incarcerated. And people say, well,

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he was in megalomaniac and he never would have killed himself.

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If you look at that last picture of him when

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he was arrested and compared to prior pictures, he looked

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like a totally defeated man, and it's entirely possible that

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someone helped him kill himself. I don't discount that, but

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I think that he probably killed himself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to ask you too about the more speculative,

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sort of scandalous sensational emails and topic the beef, jerky,

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the tuna, the seafood. Do you believe that this is code?

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Could it be code for organ trafficking? Could it be

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code for cannibalism? Is that too far? What is your

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thought on this recent furor that everybody has.

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Speaker 2: Well, remember we had pizzagate some years ago, and I

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didn't know what to make a pizza gate. I looked

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into it, and actually I did spend some time on it,

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and I got to the guy who could get me

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to the guy that could start corroborating Pizzagate for me,

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and all of a sudden, that interview just kind of evaporated,

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and I'd put so much time into it that I

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just moved on. And we both have philosophic training, and

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I tried to approach everything agnostically like Socrates taught us.

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And I went into Pizzagate agnostic, and I went out agnostic.

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But you've got these emails about muffins and steaks and

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pizza absolutely codes. But the thing about Epstein is he

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didn't do drugs. I don't even think he drank, or

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he drank very little. And he was very circumspect about

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the food that he ate. He had a chef that

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wherever he went, his chef went and prepared the food

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that he wanted. So there's an email from Harry Fish.

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He's a medical doctor, he's a urologist. He's like a

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urologist of the stars. He's in New York City and

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he said to Epstein, I can't wait till the next

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time we go out for pizza and grape soda, and

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I found Harry's number. I've been doing investigati journalism for

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a long time, so I'm very good at getting people's numbers.

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And I called him up and I said, Harry, my

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name is Nick Brian. I'm a journalist, and i'd like

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to know what's your favorite pizza and what brand of

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grape soda would you suggest? And, much to my sugarin,

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he didn't get back to me. But then I texted him,

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and actually I put the text on Twitter and I said, Harry,

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my name is Nick Brian. I left a voicemail for you,

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just for my own personal atification. Could you tell me

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what type of pizza you like and what brand of

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grape soda you would suggest? And he never got back

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to me. I mean, I think that that's kind of rude.

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Don't you think that's rude?

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Speaker 1: Jay, I'm not surprised. I wouldn't have expected him to

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get back either, But I'm not really engaged in a

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lot of investigative journalism. I just kind of stick to books,

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so I don't know what to expect, but I wonder,

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you know, just side a little side question, when when

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you engage in those kinds of you know, calls or requests.

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Do you mostly get ghosted and silenced? Or do you

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do they act sometimes reply or what's the tendency?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people will pick up and I'll tell them who

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I am, and then they bring the conversation to a

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quick close. But I'm amazed at how easy it is.

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I can get just about anybody's phone number on their

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cell phone. It's when you've been doing it as long

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as I have. The databases are pretty sophisticated, and you

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can get sophisticated too, so it's pretty easy for me

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to call people. I called Lawrence King, one of the

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pimps in the Franklin scandal, and said, Larry, how you

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doing this? Is Nick Bryant? And he said he wasn't him?

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So that was kind of the end of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Have you, I mean, have you ever called anyone who

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actually gave you like a good conversation and admitted things

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or is it always just kind of hanging up.

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Speaker 2: Some people have given me really good information, but it's rare.

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It's rare, and it's generally not perpetrators. It's people on

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the other side, right right, the victims, like I had

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pretty good success calling the victims in Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book,

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and I didn't call a lot of them. I mean

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I called a number of numbers that were disconnected, but

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then the ones that I talked to, most of them

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were fairly open to talking to me. And that was

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also the same with the Franklin Scan. I found twelve

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victims of the Franklin Scan. I had a list of

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sixty of them from a skill grandy documentary.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get an assessment of that overall from the

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victims that you called and had conversations with. What's your

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description of what's the TLDR that the the too long

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didn't read assessment summary of how victims portray this operation.

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Speaker 2: Their view of this operation is very myopic. They just

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know about the sexual component, and I don't think that

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they even realized how hooked up Jeffrey Epstein was the victims.

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Most of the victims were kept in the dark, and

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we're just used as his and his friend's sexual toys.

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So I now, Virginia, do You Free? Is a different story.

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I got to know her pretty well, and Epstein flew

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her around and around and around, and she was with

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Epstein for a couple of years and she was molested

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by a lot of powerful guys, and from her I

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got some really good information. But the other victims that

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I've talked to primarily we're in the dark about how

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expansive Jeffrey Epstein's reach was.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm thinking in terms of, you know the code words,

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what is your theory on what the code words are?

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So were you arguing that because he wanted a personal

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chef and he was very attentive to like what he ate,

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that he wouldn't be eating pizza and grape soda because

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that's junk food, or were you saying that he was

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attentive to what he was eating so there would not

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be any cannibalism.

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Speaker 2: It was obviously a code. So here's an email from

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Susan Hamblin and she runs an aren An adoption charity,

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and she says to Jeffrey Epstein that she's sending quote

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unquote fresh muffins to the quote unquote island and asking

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Jeffrey Epstein if you'd like additional steaks. And because this

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woman is running in an adoption charity and she's hooked

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up with Jeffrey Epstein, there's no way that she is

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sending muffins and steaks to the Virgin Islands. I mean

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that's obviously exactly for children. I believe children because of

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her status.

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Speaker 1: Is so the eating could be an analogy for the

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sexual activity.

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Is there perhaps organ trafficking? Do you do you believe

476
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,400
that some bodies needed to be disposed with the sulfuric acid?

477
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:34,920
Is that a viable component of it as well?

478
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: That's entirely possible. I mean there was a lot of

479
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:44,000
sulphuric acid that was and there were and the emails

480
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,839
have come out do talk about tunnels underneath the island?

481
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,839
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw that, Yeah, so.

482
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,839
Speaker 2: Who knows what was in those tunnels. I have talked

483
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,599
to some victims and they have said, there's just so

484
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,039
many girls that Epstein went through, and they wonder how

485
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:11,160
many are still alive? Yeah, yeah, and there were. With

486
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,759
the FSC Victims Compensation program, there were two hundred and

487
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:23,359
twenty five women that applied for compensation, and compensation was

488
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,519
awarded to one hundred and fifty, but eight of them

489
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,240
twelve of them declined to go through the victims Compensation

490
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:36,279
fund because if you got money from that compensation fund

491
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,359
or a conversation program you signed a release and you

492
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,200
could not go after any of your other perpetrators. It

493
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:45,759
was a superlative The Fstein victims compensation program was a

494
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:47,160
superlative cover up tool.

495
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, I guess that's why a lot of

496
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,319
people set a lot of court right, that's a good

497
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,640
way to kind of just get it out of the media,

498
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,839
get it out of people's attention.

499
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: And signed the release.

500
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly now.

501
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,759
Speaker 2: And then one of the attorneys, his name was Stam Poinger.

502
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,480
He's dead now. He was a CIA asset and actually

503
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:13,240
he worked with Jeffrey Epstein in the early eighties. I

504
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,519
think that they were both putting together arms deals. PingER

505
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,519
was part of the October Surprise arms deal where the

506
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:25,079
Reagan camp told the Iranians. The Iranians took hostages in

507
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,119
the Reagan camp told the Iranians that if they held

508
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,720
onto the hostage till after Rangan became president, they would

509
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:34,160
sell them a surf feat of weapons at a reasonable price.

510
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,400
And Poner was one of the first people that laid

511
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,920
down the foundation of that deal. And then he is

512
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,799
in business with Epstein, and Epstein is with at that

513
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,319
point working with John Lees, who is a British arms dealer,

514
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:54,160
and they're sending arms from China communists China to Iran

515
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,799
because Iran was fighting the Iraqis, who we were also

516
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:01,400
providing Iraqis the weapons too. But the Stamp Pottinger, for

517
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:07,119
him to represent these Epstein victims was an abomination. I mean,

518
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:11,440
according to one of the Epstein victims, she was sodomized

519
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:18,680
by Stampoinger. And there's other There's another victim named Sarah

520
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:22,119
Ransom who has just been through hell. Man just been

521
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,519
through hell. I mean, she was molessed repeatedly by her stepfather,

522
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:30,160
and then Epstein got his hooks into her and just

523
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,680
treated her like a slave, like an animal. I mean,

524
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,039
he was swell and Epstein were just vicious to this

525
00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:42,960
poor woman. And at a certain point in twenty eighteen,

526
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,319
she tried to kill herself. She jumped out a window

527
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,839
and she survived. And Stamp she's on heavy duty pay

528
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,319
medication and Psyche had medication, and Stamp Pottinger is sending

529
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,319
her emails pushing her to make a settle with the

530
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:05,000
Ebstein Victims Conversation program. Just really really cold blooded type stuff.

531
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: It looked to me another question that I had for

532
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,719
somebody who's been in this for a while. Seems like

533
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,679
some of the emails suggested that at times he took

534
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,199
orders from some people or was told to do things

535
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,119
in certain cases. We have, for example, the email about assassination.

536
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,360
I saw people trying to demunk that and say, well,

537
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,840
maybe they're just talking about, you know, something in a

538
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,159
sexual way that's using the code of you know, killing

539
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,199
or something. I don't know what that was supposed to mean.

540
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,199
But do you think that there were instances where he

541
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,199
was being told what to do by certain people in

542
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:44,199
the case of like there was that one email you

543
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,000
have our spy, you know, and then another one about torturing.

544
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,599
Do you think that was sexual codes or do you

545
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:54,159
think that was actual espionage codes or words that.

546
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,639
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you can tell in his interactions

547
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:06,559
with less Wexner that he is giving less Wexner a

548
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,719
degree of deference that borders on fear. I think Wess

549
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,639
Wexner was probably the only person that really had a

550
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:19,039
lot of control over reps as an individuals, not as

551
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:19,639
an entity.

552
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because that's that's the thing that a lot

553
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,000
of people are asking, like, well, who who would be

554
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:30,199
kind of above him? And presumably it would be people

555
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,880
with more money than that he had, and uh, you know,

556
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,320
and again there's always been the speculation about what does

557
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,320
it mean that he was a money manager? I mean,

558
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,960
presumably he was managing Wexner's money, right.

559
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:48,519
Speaker 2: It's so humorous less Wexner. Well, Epstein and Wexner had

560
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:52,280
this strange relationship. I mean, they were lovers, but then

561
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:59,119
they were also pedophiles together. And and Wexner gave Epstein

562
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:03,039
power of attorney for his vast fortune in nineteen ninety one.

563
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:08,239
And this is another case of the mainstream media being disingenuous.

564
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,000
And this is Vanity Fair, which is relatively sophisticated magazine

565
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,639
that will never ever let me write an article for them.

566
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,800
But the reason okay, and I mean I'm not being

567
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,840
facetious about this at all, The reason why Les Wexner

568
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,239
gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his vast fortune

569
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:35,119
in nineteen ninety one was because he was lonely. I means, yeah,

570
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,199
Vanity Fair says that.

571
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,039
Speaker 1: And you're you're also then of the opinion of the

572
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,480
view that Epstein is bisexual as well, which is relevant

573
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,760
to this proclivities issue, because I don't think a lot

574
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,960
of people notice that or thought about that until this

575
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,360
recent dump. When did you queue into that.

576
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,039
Speaker 2: I knew about Epstein and Wexner, I mean like a

577
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:04,159
bisexual relations and ship many many years ago, probably I

578
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:05,320
don't know, five years ago.

579
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: Do you think the majority of the trafficking being as

580
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,280
far as I could tell them, almost mostly women, was

581
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,199
that just to serve the proclivities of other wealthy, powerful people.

582
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,320
Do we have evidence of young boys in any of this?

583
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,039
Speaker 2: There is some evidence of boys, and I think that

584
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:31,599
that was Wexner's That's what Wexner preferred, was young boys.

585
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:34,480
I mean, he'd my last young girls. He's an evil,

586
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:41,119
malignant man. But yeah, I mean there are accounts of boys,

587
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:48,199
but they're rare. I think that there was a pedophile

588
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,119
network out of Chicago that was for writing wexnert with

589
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:55,920
little boys. That's that's what I've been told. Have a

590
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,800
tendency to believe that. But yeah, I think Wexner that

591
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,199
was his preferences is little boys.

592
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: Now, we've also seen a lot of people talking about

593
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:10,199
Peter Nigard, Jean lu Burnell, the modeling fashion world. Of course,

594
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:13,000
Wexner connects to that with owning a bunch of the

595
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,039
brands that we all know from the two thousands. What

596
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:19,920
exactly is the connection to the fashion world. Is it

597
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,480
just looking and scouting out for beautiful women or models

598
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:26,880
or is that a cover MC two and it is

599
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,800
that are being a cover for a way to sort

600
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,480
of spot underage trafficked people. Is that most likely? What

601
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:33,840
that is?

602
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,199
Speaker 2: Oh? Big time yes. And they had a mechanism. According

603
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,840
to Virginia's You're Free, they had a mechanism, and I

604
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,440
think I know the person that was part of the mechanism.

605
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:49,599
They had a mechanism. They would go to or Burnell

606
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,039
would go to Eastern Europe and he would buy girls.

607
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:57,119
I mean he wouldn't rent girls, he would buy girls.

608
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,000
And then they had a mechanism that would give them

609
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:06,840
visas to allow them into the United States. And absolutely

610
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,599
there's another aspect of the fashion industry that I've been

611
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,880
I've really looked into, and now we're just maybe seen

612
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:19,960
starting to see some glimpses of it. I knew someone

613
00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:23,000
that was very high in the occult in New York City,

614
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,800
and because when I was digging around there was there

615
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,360
was a very significant occult part of Franklin.

616
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:35,599
Speaker 1: Yes, I was going to ask about that next with

617
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,679
that same we go ahead.

618
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:41,079
Speaker 2: And I was wondering if there was an occult facet

619
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,320
of Epstein, and because there were so many similarities between

620
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,119
the two networks, and this individual told me that the

621
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:57,719
occult is rife in the modeling industry. And there's that

622
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,599
temple on Epstein's island that has I suppose someone people

623
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:09,519
have postulated that it's a image of malac or a

624
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:12,599
sculpture of malac above the door.

625
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: It's like an owl or something.

626
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that and Moloch was a guy that you

627
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:24,519
sacrificed children two. But I, as far as like my

628
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,480
begging around, I could not find the occult component of Ebstein,

629
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,760
although the emails are starting to allude to various occult

630
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,000
aspects of Ebstein.

631
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: So that's one one that popped up a couple of

632
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,440
days ago, and I had the exact same interest. That's

633
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,400
where I was going to go next, was is there

634
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,639
a you know, an esoteric occult angle to what he's

635
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,480
up to. There was apparently what's supposed to be a

636
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,079
reading list and books that had recently purchased, and there

637
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,159
was some tantric sex magic text, some other sort of

638
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,760
weird gnostic type tax that were there, so that if

639
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,000
that was real, that would suggest a degree of interest

640
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:05,039
in sex magic. I think he would definitely be drawn

641
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:09,079
to that. But in the Bandon interview, I thought it

642
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,079
was interesting with livestream and commented on the whole thing.

643
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:15,360
He seems to hint that elements of cobbalistic ideas, but

644
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,679
nothing explicit. He says he does find alchemy fascinating. That's

645
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,639
not a huge deal, but you know, it's just sort

646
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:24,559
of touching on the edges of it. Did you see

647
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:28,280
his Amazon book list and the stuff that he was purchasing.

648
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,199
Speaker 2: Yes, actually I was ware of the Amazon book list

649
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,079
a long time ago, and okay, and that kind of

650
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:40,760
indicated Yeah, definitely the occult you I saw that you

651
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,519
had tweeted about this. I think she was a victim

652
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:50,039
that where she said that she when she when she

653
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:52,440
was in a lot of pains, she thought of Jesus

654
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,760
and it helped her.

655
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: Oh, the one where they were talking about being in

656
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,320
the bed and then they told the little girl, yeah,

657
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,159
Jesus won't help you. And then somebody said you should

658
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:02,480
dress up as Jesus next time.

659
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: Yes, and that you would call that satanic, And I

660
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,760
mean that's very, very very dark.

661
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just but to put together the specifics,

662
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:26,480
I mean, actual proof. It's still a little iffy. But

663
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:29,239
I'm curious though about Zora Ranch, because what do you

664
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,960
think that was a sort of a John of God

665
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:36,159
style operation. I'm sure you've heard of that. Yeah, yeah,

666
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,159
sort of baby farming, brooding brood operation that got shut down.

667
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,639
He was closely associated with Oprah, who promoted him quite

668
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:45,960
a bit. I saw a lot of parallels between what

669
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,960
perhaps Epstein was trying to do with Zora Ranch. What's

670
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,199
the skinny on Zoro Ranch? Is it also a sort

671
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:53,480
of a mad scientist lab where he wants to experiment

672
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,639
with genetics and in some form of transhumanism. Is that

673
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:57,159
what that is?

674
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: Yes? Now, there was a Epstein victim who is a

675
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,800
very street woman, which she's very damaged, and she said

676
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,000
that she went unconscious and then came to and what

677
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:14,480
she thought was a laboratory underneath or a ranch, and

678
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:20,480
there was a woman doctor harvesting her obums. But she's

679
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:24,519
also said some other things that are kind of out there,

680
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:29,800
so it's difficult to know. But if you look at

681
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,119
the emails, Epstein is heavily involved in eugenics and cloning

682
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:40,760
and cloning, isn't that difficult. When Dolly the sheep was cloned,

683
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:49,079
it's to clone someone or something, a living being. All

684
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:53,159
you got to do is get an ovum, take the

685
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,039
DNA out of the oven, which is relatively easy, insert

686
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,920
the DNA that you want into the ovum, and then

687
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,599
given an electrical charge, and then sometimes it starts the

688
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:07,320
mitosis process and the cell stairs, and sometimes it doesn't.

689
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:12,519
But it's relatively easy to clone. There are people in

690
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:16,960
New York City that are cloning their French bulldogs and

691
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,599
I kind of look at French I mean, I don't

692
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:22,199
have anything to get the French. I don't have anything

693
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,559
as bulldogs, but I kind of look at French bulldogs

694
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,119
kind of little creatures. I don't know why someone that's

695
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,599
been sixty five thousand dollars, but anyway, that's my own prejudice,

696
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,559
but I think you can go on a human for

697
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:37,760
about one point five million dollars. And I firmly believe

698
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,679
that Jeffrey Epstein was cloning himself. One of the reasons

699
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,559
why Virginia ji Free got out, well, there were a

700
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,159
couple of reasons that E'mstein and Maxwell wanted to impregnate her.

701
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,559
And but before that, she was sent to Thailand to

702
00:44:56,679 --> 00:45:01,239
pick up and bring her back to the US. And

703
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,119
when I mean young, I'm talking about a minor, very

704
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:08,360
young miner. And she met her who would become her boyfriend,

705
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,000
who was on vacation in Thailand, and then they got

706
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,519
married like a week later, and then she moved to

707
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,239
back to Australia where he lived and she just got out.

708
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,320
But and then there's these other accounts too, and then

709
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,559
the Brian Bishop emails of cloning. You could tell that

710
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,480
here's a guy that was really in the clone and

711
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,239
Epstein and the emails is saying he's going to subsidize Bishop.

712
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,679
So I believe that was definitely part of the transhumanism,

713
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,079
definitely part of the gold. There's that one email where, ah,

714
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:51,400
you can't think of his name. He's a pretty renowned researcher,

715
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:57,239
and he's talking about giving baby male babies hormone blockers

716
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:03,079
and giving babies cover that one now, yeah, and basically

717
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,199
creating hermaphrodites, right, and he thought that that would just

718
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,639
be the greatest thing in the world, that he'd create

719
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:13,880
these very sexy her I guess that there are a

720
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,679
subgenus of humans that like hermaphrodites. I don't know, I've

721
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:18,559
never really.

722
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,679
Speaker 1: Now in regard to the sort of mad science domain

723
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:30,599
of this, we saw also some odd emails of a guy.

724
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,920
His name was like you y you you go or

725
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,800
something else, and that one seemed to speak of him

726
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,119
sort of spotting a girl that could be a potential

727
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:44,400
subject that Jeffrey could use because she had undergone ritual abuse,

728
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,800
sexual abuse, or trauma. Perhaps Jeffrey could look into this

729
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,159
and use her because she was at stage three of

730
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:52,559
the process. What did you mean?

731
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: I really, I mean that reach of mind control to me,

732
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,000
And I've got an mk A document. I think it's

733
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:11,079
Subproject one where it's talked about using electroshock drugs hypnosis

734
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,719
to induce small old personality and ultimately and ultimately side.

735
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:20,880
And I believe that our government, I mean remote viewing,

736
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,400
which was above ground for twenty years or so, is

737
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,559
just about psychic abilities. I mean it's called remote viewing

738
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,719
to give it some kind of tangible right explanation. But

739
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:35,880
I believe that remote viewing is alive and well it

740
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:38,199
just went underground.

741
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: And probably that email is referring to sending her to

742
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,280
Jeffrey because and this is something I noticed to it.

743
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:50,199
I'm not seeing you didn't cover this. I haven't seen

744
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,079
a lot of other people mentioning. We had a few

745
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,159
royals and elites offering up their children. There was one

746
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:59,320
of the daughters of Sophia, I want to say, of

747
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,880
den Mark or Bulgaria for you where it was. But

748
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,679
they were basically saying, hey, jeff here's a here's our daughter.

749
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,559
What do you think of her? Could you use her? Right?

750
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,480
And then the princess of the Prince of Norway was

751
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,480
talking about her son. There's too there's two different ones.

752
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,480
She's talking about her son saying, hey, jeff could you

753
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:18,199
give me parenting advice on my son? You know so?

754
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:21,360
And then she wanted perhaps to have a baby with Jeffrey.

755
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,679
So they it's almost like the the global elites looked

756
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,559
to him as a king maker kind of person, even

757
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:34,400
for your for your offspring perhaps or even having offspring

758
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,840
with him. Is that correct?

759
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. You can certainly extrapolate that. That's

760
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:48,440
what those emails allude to. For sure. It's it's such

761
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,920
a different way of thinking. That's strata. Now it's being

762
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,679
called the Epstein class you ever Readthorsting Bedlin's The Leisure Class.

763
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:56,559
Speaker 1: I'm not.

764
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:03,559
Speaker 2: It's a it's a classic. And Epstein called the book

765
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:06,719
is called the Leisure Class, and he comments on how

766
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,360
the leisure class or how the aristocrats are just much

767
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,079
more predatory. And he looks at all different types of

768
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:17,880
cultures and he shows that people that that are affluent

769
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:23,079
are much more predatory than people in the society that

770
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:29,119
that not and I and we're seeing that with these

771
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,480
with these Epstein emails, that there is a strata of

772
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:40,719
our society that is very predatory. And really I think

773
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,639
could care less about what we as mere mortals think.

774
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,199
They believe that they're living a mon.

775
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: Olympus, right right, yeah, I mean quickly. Even at the

776
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,920
end of his trait and Hoe talks about it. He

777
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,920
talks about that difference between the norms and you know

778
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,320
that's so called elite class, and that you know that

779
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,360
that's why they send their children to boarding school. They

780
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:06,079
have you know, nannies because they don't want the child

781
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:10,280
to have the attention and you know, nourishment that a

782
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,719
mom gives, and because it tends to kind of create

783
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,599
a more of a psychopathic tendency, which they think, oh, well,

784
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:18,159
that's what you need to be a leader, is to

785
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:20,960
be a total psychopath. So that that's interesting to see

786
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,159
that kind of be confirmed in the emails and more

787
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,639
emails that stood out to you as surprising or making

788
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:32,079
connections that you didn't expect. Oh, this one. Want to

789
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:34,519
get your take on this, because I found this very

790
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:37,960
fascinating because I've read quite a bit on the abuse

791
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,840
subjects within the Roman Catholic world. And we saw one

792
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,800
email of a person referring back to a time when

793
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,559
Jeffrey Epstein lived at the Vatican for some unspecified time.

794
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:52,320
In that email, it's discussed that they had conversation with

795
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:56,679
John Paul about architecture and columns. Many people were saying, well,

796
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,719
we can't really prove that he was talking there a

797
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,599
little in there. However, we do know that he was

798
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:03,960
there in a picture with just laying being blessed by

799
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:06,519
John Paul the Second. We know John Paul the Second

800
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:10,480
also gave a high level papal knighthood award to procure

801
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:16,079
criminal Jimmy Savile. And then we have another email where

802
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:18,559
it's alleged I think Epstein says that John Paul the

803
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:22,599
Second gave him some piece of architectural something that he

804
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,800
put on ceiling. He seems to know the inner workings

805
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,280
of the Vatican Bank pretty well. So what did you make?

806
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,159
And then he's also organizing flights for Pope Francis it seems,

807
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,000
so what do you make of the Vatican angle? Is

808
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:39,119
this all much to do about nothing? Is there actually

809
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:40,760
something there? What's your take on that?

810
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: Well, if you're gonna launder money, the Vatican Bank is

811
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:46,159
the go to bank.

812
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:47,119
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he says.

813
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's no oversight with the Vatican Bank. The

814
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,480
Vatican is its own country. There was that scandal with

815
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:59,320
Bishop Marcinkus, whoever saw the.

816
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,039
Speaker 1: Vatican you exactly?

817
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:05,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and P two Lodge, And I think that why

818
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:09,960
would these people stop using the Vatican Bank? I mean,

819
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:12,719
I mean Marcinkus retired and he I believe he ended

820
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,079
up in Arizona. But nothing ever happened to him. I mean,

821
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,280
the whole thing was quashed. Not too many, not a

822
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,000
lot of people know about except for you guys like

823
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,400
you and me that read books about Gladio and things

824
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:29,199
like that. So I don't have a problem believing that

825
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,039
Jeffrey Amstein, and given his connection to all these banks

826
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:37,119
that the Vatican make is probably still being used to

827
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:40,760
launder money or whatever. I mean, who knows.

828
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,079
Speaker 1: Do you think that Do you think that him knowing

829
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,400
and having a degree of relationship or closeness with John

830
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,719
Paul the second is that legitimate? Do you think he

831
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,800
was just kind of ragging about himself, puffing up something

832
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,559
that wasn't there? What's your your sense on that one.

833
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but I do believe that

834
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,039
these emails might bore this out, that he had some

835
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:10,400
kind of relationship with the Vatican Bank. That makes the

836
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,840
most sense to me. I mean, I believe that he

837
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:19,360
was an atheist. He was Jewish culturally, but I'm sure

838
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,719
that he looked at Catholicism as a fairy tale. Sure

839
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,559
the Vatican Bank is very very real.

840
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, absolutely, Now, speaking of that atheism angle, did

841
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,719
you find did you see the Bannon interview? Did you

842
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,800
find any of those comments interesting? When he's talking about

843
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,480
reality being something that we project from our mind and

844
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:43,840
it's all code and mathematics, and you got these other

845
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,400
emails where he's talking about dimensions, Well, what did you

846
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,239
make of those sort of speculative topics in the emails?

847
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,360
And the band in interview.

848
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: It's very strange. I mean, in some of those emails

849
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:05,960
he's talking about metaphysics. I don't, you know, it's hard

850
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,400
to say because usually people that are atheists don't really

851
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,440
believe in extrasensory perception and things like that. Right, So

852
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:26,719
it's really difficult to know what Epstein believed, other than.

853
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: When Bannon asked him about the soul, right, and they

854
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,159
have that weird exchange about the soul, and he says

855
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:37,039
something like, well, look that we don't have we can't

856
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:40,360
quantify the soul, but there's all these things in physics

857
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,039
that you can't quantify, like quarks, and the soul is

858
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,599
kind of like a quark or so it's a really

859
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,719
it's almost like he was taking a lot of the

860
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,199
new physics and that kind of stuff and just sort

861
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,960
of positing that maybe religion and all that is just

862
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:57,400
what that field of physics is describing is the way

863
00:54:57,639 --> 00:54:58,719
I understood it.

864
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: That of physics. It's it's difficult to know what Ebstein believe.

865
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,599
There's some talk of metaphysics. There is some talk of

866
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:16,400
extra sense or giftedness with that the woman that the

867
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:22,920
girl or woman that's in stage three but most hardcore

868
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,239
atheists that I know have a real hard time embracing

869
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,760
even psychic ability, right, because that would entail some kind

870
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:37,320
of metaphysical interconnectedness, Right. I would really like to find

871
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,920
out whether or not he was really down with the

872
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,320
occult that would That's been something I've been looking into

873
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:46,679
for a long time, and hopefully we can get some

874
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,199
more answers from these emails.

875
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: What about the You know, we've covered a lot of

876
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:56,280
different angles here. I don't know what your time of

877
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,840
frame here is for for discussion, but what about Okay,

878
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:04,559
international finance. This is another topic that I think is

879
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,599
overlooked because you know, it's kind of mysterious, and we

880
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,440
mentioned the Vatican Bank and and that kind of stuff.

881
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,480
But one thing that struck me as odd was Number one.

882
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,440
It seems like he's explaining to Larry Summers. You would

883
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:19,159
you would think is a sort of a Harvard bankster

884
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,400
Clinton era guy. He would know about international banking and

885
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,920
perhaps the Vatican Bank. He seems to be explaining how

886
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,760
that works to Larry Summers when he mentions at the

887
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,559
beginning of the band An interview, he says that, yeah,

888
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:33,639
fractional reserve banking and abandon seems to be kind of

889
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:36,880
again mystified as to what exactly they're discussing. Why does

890
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,840
this matter? Why did that get you recruited into, you know,

891
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:43,280
the circles of Kissinger and Rockefeller. You know that. So

892
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,760
you know, a lot of people speculated too that another

893
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,679
reason that there might have been an attempt to sort

894
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,599
of cover up and suppress this latest trunks coming out

895
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:57,679
would be due to actually money laundering and money scandals

896
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:01,039
that could perhaps bring down the Western economy. Who knows

897
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,480
exactly whether that's the case or what that means, but

898
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:07,920
it looks like there's a shadow banking sort of thing

899
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,119
going on here. And we noticed between him and Orienta

900
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,760
de Rothschild, the various emails that they have discussing these

901
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,000
topics that it's almost like they see conflicts and all

902
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:21,480
these situations as a totally different way of gaming the market,

903
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:24,760
shorting the market based on advanced intelligence. I thought that

904
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,559
was funny because when I went back and looked at

905
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:30,760
the Morton authorized barca of the Rothschild's, they brag about

906
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,880
the fact that, you know, two hundred years ago at Waterloo,

907
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,039
they had advanced intelligence. And so here's the Jeffery epste

908
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,079
two undred years ish later basically doing the same thing. Yeah,

909
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:41,360
we have upupdated intelligence. We short the market. All the

910
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,199
normies and the guiyam they you know, they go on

911
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:46,199
the basis of what the real world says. We have

912
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:49,199
the inside information. I thought that was really insightful as

913
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:53,760
the way the way that the predatory class actually operate well.

914
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,559
Speaker 2: Fractional reserve banking is kind of a scam. I think

915
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,360
we both would probably agree on that. With Epstein. Where

916
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,239
you really get insight into Epstein is the emails. There

917
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,159
was a Middle East hacking group that got three years

918
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:14,280
worth of emails between Epstein and Hue Barock, and those

919
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,719
emails are really talent because it's Epstein and a Hubbarock

920
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,480
putting together arms deals first from Mongolia and then they

921
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,760
sold like a Big Brother surveillance system to a couple

922
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:32,079
of African dictators. And Epstein they're talking about these troubled

923
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:36,559
areas in the world and Epstein tells who Barack, Well,

924
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:41,119
this is where we can make some money. We could

925
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:47,320
sell them arms, which is and Epstein had been in

926
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,920
the arms business going way back after he left Baris Stearns.

927
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,760
He got into the arms business so I think that

928
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,719
that was just one of the many fingers that he

929
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,280
had in the big pie.

930
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: Do you think that would have been a major reason

931
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,079
to try to shut it down? I mean, obviously people

932
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:12,039
don't want to have their private proclivities exposed and that

933
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,039
kind of blackmail type stuff. But is there was there

934
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:21,840
a real danger that the international market scam complex would

935
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,400
be taken down? Or was that an excuse to try

936
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,320
to cover up and to not have the files released.

937
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:36,239
Speaker 2: I think that there are multiple reasons why we're having

938
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:42,840
difficulties getting the other three million files, and international banking

939
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,880
could be one of them. I think Epstein's various connections

940
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,760
with intelligence agencies could be one of them. I think

941
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,719
that some of the people that would be named could

942
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,119
be one of them. But the Trump administration has not

943
00:59:57,199 --> 00:59:59,519
lived up to the letter of the law of the

944
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:04,559
Epstein Transparency Act. We should have gotten all those emails

945
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:10,480
and those names. All those names shouldn't be redacted. So

946
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:14,039
the Trump administration is want this tooth and nail. But

947
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I will say this, I'm kind of amazed about the

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information that's come out with this latest trench. But the

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thing is people are just going down wormholes with it.

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We have to take this information and we can change

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our government because of this information. And I think that

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that is one thing that I think Americans. I think

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there's two things that make Americans kind of despondent. I

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think that they've been divided and conquered with the right

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left paradigm. The left thanks the rights men leel the

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right things, the left men le ill, and it's just

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a very easy to bide and conquer. And then I

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think Americans have been conditioned to think that they really

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can't affect change. And when you superimpose those two trends,

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you end up with what we have now, which is

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not helping Americans. And a lot of Americans are in

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a lot of trouble financially, just trying to support themselves.

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Kids today that get out of college, they're heavily in debt.

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They're never going to be able to buy a house, right.

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And the rich keep getting richer before to keep getting poorer.

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And that's really been escalating since the plague. And we

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as Americans, and the reason why is because our government's

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a sewer and we have a chance now to clean

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out the sewer. We really do. We know that a

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lot of our politicians are compromised. We know that Jeffrey

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Epstein at all compromise and number them. And there's three

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things that our politicians have. They've got arrogance, which makes

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people stupid. They've got lust, which makes people stupid. And

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they've got greed, which makes people stupid. And when you're

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speaking of alchemy, if you combine those three you get

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very very smart people being very very stupid. Bill Clinton

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comes to mind immediately. So what we need and the

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only way that we're going to be able to get

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to the bottom of this is Epstein Justice, this organization

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that I'm part of. What we need is an independent

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congressional commission. And an independent congressional commission is very different

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than other congressional investigations because it does not require a

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signature from the president. It just requires a majority in

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the House and a majority in the Senate. And with

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independent congressional commissions, oftentimes non government personnel are incorporated, or

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the entire investigation it's farmed out to non government personnel.

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And that's what we're going to need because if the well,

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I mean now the Trump administration, which is being really

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disingenmous saying that there's that Epstein had no co conspirators,

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which I mean, they must really think we're stupid. But

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we need that independent Congressional commission. It's going to be

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our only shot to clean out and I think that

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this will be the best chance in our lifetimes to

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clean out our government. And it might be the best

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chance in our lifetime to clean out our government before

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it takes it off a cliff, before our leaders take

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us off a cliff, because I think that that's where

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we're heading.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned a while back, oh, people should look out

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at Franklin scandal. There. That's the book that the Nick

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has put out where you were going to do an

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Epstein book. I'm assuming that maybe I had to put

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a little pause on it given all this new information.

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Are you still doing an Epstein book.

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Speaker 2: I'm still working on an Epstein book. I've got probably

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forty thousand words. Yeah. I thought about writing Epstein book

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ten years ago. If I'd written an Epstein book ten

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years ago, you have to redo it, yeah, completely. But

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I'm I really want to write a definitive Epstein book.

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The books that have come out about Epstein have been

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extremely shallow, and if I'm going to be generous, I

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would call them extremely shallow. But because I've been kind

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of at the ground floor of Epstein since since twenty eleven,

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and I've made a lot of connections in this world.

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I mean, I made them with Franklin, but I've also

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made them with Epstein too. I think that I could

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run a very good book on Jeffrey Epstein at this point,

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or Jeffrey Epstein at all at this point.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, Nick, I really appreciate you coming on, And

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of course people can check out your links and your information.

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I'll have them in the show description below, and any

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other things you want to plug, like the Justice for

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Epstein Victim's website or anything like that. Future projects. What

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do you got coming up next?

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Speaker 2: The most important thing in my life right now is

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Epstein Justice. So I would suggest that your audience for

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the Epstein Justice dot com. It's very funny I talk

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about Epstein Justice, I talk about an independent Congressional Commissioner.

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We've given this a lot of thought, and we're organizing

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people by state to put pressure on their federal legislators.

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And I'll give an email, I'll give an interview like

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the interview that I just gave you, and then comments

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in the conversations, they'll be how can we do anything

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about this after I've explained it? So I mean, and

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that is what I've talked about earlier, that the superimposing

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between the right and the left and American thinking they

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can condition to change, but we can. It's up to us.

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And I think that we need to affect change because

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this is going to be our best opportunity. As I said,

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our leaders are going to take us off a cliff

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and before they do that, we have the ability right

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now to make some substantial changes. All right.

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Speaker 1: The book is Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant, and of

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course he is a veteran when it comes to the

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Epstein subject matter. Nick, thank you so much for coming

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on and I look forward to future conversations.

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Speaker 2: Great to be Ruth, you Jay