WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.400 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.119 are your favorites, so like say subscribe and rade it. 3 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:16.199 I'm stuck and me. 4 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:23.600 The greatest con us today and listening watching lim always 5 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:24.879 keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.440 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:33.679 Hey, everybody, this is big Foot and Beyond with Cliff 8 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:36.600 and usually Bobo and Matt Prewitt is lurking around in 9 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:39.240 the background as he often does. As you can tell 10 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:41.560 by my introduction, Bobo is not here today. He is 11 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:45.960 otherwise engaged in crazy mischief that probably nobody should be 12 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:49.240 getting into. But Boba doesn't care. He doesn't follow the rules. 13 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:52.759 He is like Sasquatches, the ultimate anarchists. But we have 14 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:54.600 Matt Pruitt. How you doing, Matt, Well. 15 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:56.560 I'm excited about today's guest. I know that when she 16 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:59.320 visited the museum you are really impressed with a lot 17 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:01.320 of the knowledge that she had about the subjects and 18 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:03.960 about other subjects in general. So I won't belabor the 19 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.480 points too much before we get into it. But I 20 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:09.400 always try to announce when some of our previous guests, 21 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:11.560 and especially previous guests that are friends of mine are 22 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:13.280 doing something new, and so I did want to say 23 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:16.359 that our good friend Mike Mays who wrote to me 24 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:20.200 the definitive book about the black panther phenomenon in North America, 25 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:23.319 which is called shadow Cats. He wrote an excellent sasquatch 26 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:25.719 book called Valley of the Apes The Search for Sasquatch, 27 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:28.120 and aria X has released a new book and it's 28 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:31.799 his second kid's book. It's called Beware the Pink Gorilla, 29 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:33.799 and it's really awesome. I got to read it. I 30 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:35.120 got to see a lot of the art that was 31 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:37.799 done for it. It's super cool. So it's a great 32 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:39.560 kids book for those of you who were parents who 33 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.719 are looking for gifts. It's good for ages like eight 34 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.560 to twelve years old. So I will have a link 35 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:45.560 to that in the show notes, and I'll also put 36 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:47.719 links to Mike's author page if you want to pick 37 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:49.640 up any of his other excellent books as well. 38 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:52.079 Fantastic. Mike's a good friend of the show. Of course, 39 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:53.519 he's been on before. We should have him back on 40 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:55.000 the sometime, right. Oh. 41 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.799 Absolutely, We barely scratched the surface with a lot of 42 00:01:57.799 --> 00:01:59.560 that stuff, so I think he would be a great 43 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:00.359 return guest. 44 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.640 Yeah, yeah, and he's always up to something squatchy. I think, indeed, well, 45 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:07.239 I think this is probably a good time to go 46 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:09.719 ahead and bring in our guests. And our guest today 47 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:13.080 is Donna de Erko. I think that everybody probably knows 48 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:16.400 her from her more iconic roles like in Baywatch, for example, 49 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:18.280 she's a playboy play made at one time in her 50 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:21.280 past or whatever else, but that's all in the past. Now. 51 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.199 She is involved in a YouTube series called Mythbound, which 52 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:26.199 is why she's on our show. Besides she's just a 53 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.960 cool person of course, But Mythbound is this new YouTube 54 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:33.479 series where she travels around to famous paranormal places and 55 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:37.639 mysterious locations and whatever around the world, investigating things like 56 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:41.439 UFOs and Area fifty one and of course haunted things 57 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:44.599 and our favorite thing in the entire world sasquatches man 58 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.000 all sorts of cryptids. So I did an episode recently 59 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.280 with Donna, and I thought this was a great opportunity 60 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.479 to have her show broadcast out to you guys, our listeners, 61 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:56.039 because I think this is something that you, our listenership, 62 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.840 would probably really really enjoy. So Donna, thank you so 63 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:00.879 much for coming on our little podcast out here. We 64 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:03.280 really appreciate you taking a little bit of time for us. 65 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:05.520 Ay Cliff, thank you so much for having me on. 66 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:07.080 I'm super excited to be on here. 67 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.199 Yeah, oh, very good. We're excited to have you. Honestly. So, 68 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:14.199 I mean, you have such a past, you know, in 69 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.479 media in general, you know, television shows, You've been an actress, 70 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.919 a model, you just go down the list, You've pretty 71 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:23.599 much done everything. So is it just time to do 72 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.800 the coolest thing of your entire career and make something 73 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.639 about sasquatches and other weird things like how did this 74 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:30.280 come about? 75 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.159 You know? Seriously, I've been so into this kind of 76 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.680 stuff and this type of you know, content for I 77 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:40.479 don't know as long as I can remember, since I 78 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.960 was probably in third grade, which is going back quite 79 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.520 a long way, and I just never could really you know, 80 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.199 as you know, back in the day, anybody who who 81 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:55.159 said that they, for example, saw Ufo or saw Bigfoot 82 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.240 or something like that were labeled to a cook and 83 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:01.479 you know, you're crazy, and you're you're you know, that's 84 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.840 so silly and stuff. Well, so I didn't really talk 85 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:09.719 about my interest in in all of those things because 86 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.360 of that reason. I was just I feared, you know, 87 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:18.360 being ridiculed, but now actually, largely because of your show, 88 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:21.360 because of finding Bigfoot, I think that that that this 89 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:24.879 kind of atmosphere has started to change around those things 90 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:29.439 to where it's not so silly and people aren't really ridiculed. 91 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:31.600 Maybe they are a little bit here and there, but 92 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.199 nothing like they used to be. I think now it's 93 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:39.120 okay to believe that Bigfoot exists, or think that you 94 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.600 you know, believe that you saw some UFO or something 95 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.680 like that. I think it's it's just different now. So 96 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:50.800 I figured, well, I've always wanted to travel to different 97 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:55.319 locations and check out people that have seen something, either 98 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.480 seeing a UFO, saw Bigfoot, saw some lake monster, you know, 99 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.839 gone to some sort of miraculous something that's appeared somewhere 100 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:07.839 that somebody saw. I've always been intrigued and fascinated where 101 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:09.920 I want to travel and go see those things or 102 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:11.959 talk to these people. But I didn't know what to 103 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:14.920 do with that. And now I'm at a place, you know, 104 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:17.680 thankfully in my life, where I have the ability to 105 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.319 do that. And I talked to my manager and I 106 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.879 was like, we should bring I should bring camera and 107 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:25.720 bring others along to see what it is that I'm 108 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.360 seeing that I'm into, because I'm sure there's a lot 109 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.639 of people out there that are also into the same stuff, 110 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:32.360 and come to find out, there. 111 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:36.040 Are, and there's certainly no shortage of witnesses. And it 112 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:38.000 seems that you're very drawn to the witnesses. I think 113 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:40.680 a lot of people are because it's it's just something 114 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.240 humans like I say it often on the podcast that 115 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.639 we've been telling stories to each other for three hundred 116 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:49.959 thousand years around a gampire, somebody sharing something that's that 117 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.199 is meaningful to them that they experienced. You know that 118 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:57.160 that the weight of that experience is often conveyed very 119 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.839 very well through witnesses. It is so, and it seems 120 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:04.399 to me that the Mythbound your YouTube show is largely 121 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.600 focused on that. Am I correct or incorrect with that? 122 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.000 No, it's for sure. It's I try to get as 123 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:15.240 many witnesses as I can for episodes and for whatever 124 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.839 myth I happen to be investigating that week. But I 125 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.240 have to tell you, it's really it's kind of hard 126 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:25.600 to get people to want to come forward and talk 127 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.199 to me on camera, because you know, I can go 128 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:33.680 into a city and talk to somebody that's seen something 129 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.639 and then leave and go back home. That person has 130 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:40.040 to live there in their community. And once they're on 131 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.759 camera saying I saw a lake monster in Lake Erie, 132 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.800 they open themselves up to ridicule, especially if it's a 133 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:51.800 small town, and so it's it's a little tough sometimes 134 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:55.959 to get people to you know, be okay with saying 135 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:58.720 what they've seen on camera and talking to me about it. 136 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:02.279 But the ones that do, I'm really grateful for. They're 137 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:05.959 always you know, they're always treated with There's never mockery, 138 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.879 there's no nothing like that with me, because I'm extremely 139 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:13.480 interested and curious about what people have seen and hearing 140 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.439 their story and seeing where it is that they saw 141 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:19.399 what they said they saw, it's fascinating to me. 142 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:25.000 Well, the hesitant twist witnesses are always my favorites because honestly, 143 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.720 because if people are really really eager to come on 144 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.160 your show, well that might even be a red flag 145 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.639 for somebody who's not being totally honest or maybe even 146 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.279 exaggerating what the small experience into something larger, you know, 147 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:37.399 something like that. 148 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:37.879 That's right. 149 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:40.519 So, now, of course you and I did an episode 150 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:42.920 together and I basically did a walk through the North 151 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:45.720 American Bigfoot Center with you, and I kind of pitched 152 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:46.839 it to you at the times, like, well, this is 153 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:48.399 gonna be like a change of format. It's going to 154 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.360 be kind of cool. Yeah, and hopefull and hopefully I've 155 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.560 not seen the episode yet, hopefully it'll work out. Have 156 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.199 you seen the episode? I know it's airing today or tomorrow. 157 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:59.800 It is today, yes, and it is amazing. And I'm 158 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:02.759 I have to say thank you to you because when 159 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:04.800 we were first talking about you coming on and doing 160 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.519 an episode of Mythbound, I first was wanting you to 161 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:11.439 go out in the field with me and kind of 162 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.519 do a search, and you were kind of like, I 163 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:16.879 don't know, and I was thinking, oh, no, I don't 164 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.759 know how I walked through a museum's going to be. 165 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:23.439 But then when I showed up to your North American 166 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:27.639 Bigfoot Center, I'm really glad that we ended up doing 167 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:31.879 that and not going out into the field because your museum, 168 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:34.480 I guess you would call it a museum, is so 169 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:40.600 jam packed with the most fascinating stuff that I mean, 170 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.000 I could have stayed in there for several more hours 171 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.919 looking at all. I don't think I ended up seeing 172 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.159 everything that you have in there, but it's just mind blowing. 173 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.200 What you've done there is unlike anything I've been to 174 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.320 a ton of museums, and yours is unlike anything I've 175 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.480 ever been in. And I've got to hand it to you, 176 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:02.519 you did a fantastic job on that place. It's just 177 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:06.960 it's just captivating from the second you walk in until 178 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:10.080 you're done, all the way around. So you know, that 179 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.679 was amazing and this episode's going to be one of 180 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.720 my best, I think, So thank you for that, oh well. 181 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:19.159 Very very kind words, and I sincerely appreciate it. And 182 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:24.120 I got to say, told you. 183 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.519 But you were right. Thank god you didn't listen to 184 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.320 me and go out in the field with me, because 185 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:30.120 this is so much better. It's really good. 186 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.120 Again, I just thought it would be a nice change 187 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:34.559 of format and an opportunity to learn something in a 188 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.240 different sort of way. So I'm glad, I'm really sincerely 189 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.919 abby that it worked out well for you, and hopefully 190 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:42.480 you're of your viewership eats it up and loves it too. 191 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:44.879 So yeah, I mean, one thing that really blew me 192 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:50.759 away was I've seen not in person necessarily as much 193 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:55.080 as on video or online or on TV casts Bigfoot 194 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:58.480 footprint casts all the time. I see them, I see 195 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.639 people holding them up, I see picture online. But when 196 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:06.080 I was in your museum and you were showing me 197 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:10.360 the different casts and explaining sort of the morphology of 198 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.960 the foot and the imprints and stuff, that was something 199 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:18.000 I've never like, I never really thought about, And with 200 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.879 the way that you explained those things to me, now 201 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:27.320 those casts have become the most credible evidence. When I 202 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:30.639 didn't really think much of them before. Now I look 203 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.080 at them very differently after you explained things to me. 204 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.480 So that was very intriguing, and I'm really hoping that 205 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.679 the people watching will feel the same way. I think 206 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:40.120 they will. 207 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:43.120 Well, for whatever's worth, the only reason you're on the 208 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.200 podcast today is because you impressed me when we're in 209 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.279 the museum, And several times actually in the museum, you 210 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:52.480 brought up something that I said, wait, wait, how would 211 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:55.000 you know about that? She's actually done her homework, you know, 212 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.440 because because one of the things I'm always wary of 213 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.000 television shows and all that kind of stuff, because I've 214 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:01.799 work in the industry and I know it's kind of 215 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.320 shallow and superficial a lot of times, But like the 216 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.120 one I remember the most is when I was showing 217 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:10.159 you the nest reconstruction from the Olympic Project nests, right, 218 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:12.759 and we were talking about that, and you said, well, 219 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:14.519 how do you feel about the albert ausmin nests that 220 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.960 they found up on that shelf in the little the 221 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:19.720 box canyon. And it was interwoven with this thinking like, 222 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.639 oh my god, because because you never know, like because 223 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.039 you're a celebrity, right, so you never know of some 224 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.120 celebrity is just going to say, well there's a niche 225 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.039 I can exploit, you know, and then over to the 226 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:34.759 paranormal thing. And I'm very protective of our subject you know. 227 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:39.080 It's like like unreasonably protective of our subjects, you know 228 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.879 what I mean, I get it. Yeah, so when you 229 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:43.639 bust it out with that, and I think, I think 230 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.320 your knowledge about the canyon stuff, for example, Like there 231 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.080 were several times I said, wow, she's not some celebrity 232 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:53.000 hack exploiting the Bigfoot thing. She actually knows what's up. 233 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:55.639 And I said, well, yeah, we got to have her 234 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:57.279 on the podcast. 235 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:01.600 You know, there's so many, Like I said, it's been 236 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:03.879 decades that I've been into this stuff, and I've just 237 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.320 sort of read and tried to absorb as much information 238 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.399 about these things as I can, and things like even 239 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:15.679 I know that they're called different things internationally. I know, 240 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:20.639 we say sasquatch, and by the way, I've been mispronouncing. 241 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.759 My viewers have corrected me because I was saying sasquatch. 242 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.320 They really slapped my hand on that one. So it's 243 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:30.840 sasquatch and I understand that now. But sasquatch Bigfoot is here. 244 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:34.080 And then overseas, I know that there's similar type of 245 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:38.200 creatures like the Almas, the Alma sty and all these 246 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:42.600 different stories and stuff that you've heard or that I've 247 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:46.600 read about overseas too, in all these different countries that 248 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:51.279 are similar but not exactly the same, and those have 249 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:54.240 fascinated me too. I mean, I'm dying to go over 250 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.960 seas and kind of explore some of those other other 251 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:01.000 creatures that are that are overseas. 252 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:02.879 Do you think you're gonna be able to make that happen? 253 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:07.240 I would like to. I mean, I'm going overseas in 254 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:10.080 the next couple of months to do some other episodes, 255 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:14.159 not on any big Foot type creatures this trip, but 256 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.639 the next trip I'm hoping to to do that. 257 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.759 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. 258 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:23.720 We'll be right back after these messages. 259 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.080 Like you were saying. When I went to your museum, 260 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:36.039 you showed me that chart with all the list of 261 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:40.039 the different what they're called in different languages and in 262 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.559 different countries. I know that they're called different things depending 263 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:49.039 on where you go. But I'm fascinated by the almiesty. 264 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:52.919 There was a story. I'm sure that you know very well. 265 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:55.080 You know all the stories that I could possibly mention 266 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:57.720 to you, but there's one about I think it was 267 00:13:57.840 --> 00:13:59.960 in I want to say it might have been Russia 268 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:04.440 during the war when they captured a creature and they 269 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:08.440 thought that it was a spy. I probably no better 270 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:10.120 where it was I want to say Russia, but I 271 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.360 might be wrong, and where they were trying to get 272 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:15.679 it to talk, and somebody wrote that you know, it 273 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:20.039 was in all respects it looked like a man, but 274 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:23.679 its eyes were that of an animal or something like that. Yeah, 275 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:25.480 I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. What do 276 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:27.919 you think about that? That story? 277 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:30.399 I think there's a couple of different things going on. 278 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.279 I mean, I believe and Matt Prude can actually get 279 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:34.799 a fact check me on this one. I think there's 280 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:38.639 actually two different stories. One the most famous one is Xana. 281 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:40.120 Yeah, Xana. 282 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.600 Yeah, now Xanna that has has been determined to be 283 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:46.960 actually a human, like a human of African descent. Ah, okay, 284 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:50.080 Doctor Brian Sykes actually the geneticist. He is the guy 285 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.200 who determined that based on Xana's offspring. But I think 286 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:56.639 there was another story. Oh that's right, you're correct. Yeah, see, 287 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:02.200 there you go again. You know, Matt, wasn't there another 288 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:05.480 story and besides Xana that had a similar motif. 289 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.320 Yeah, the one that Donna is referencing where they thought 290 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:10.720 the individual was a spy was during some sort of 291 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:14.720 like military operation or occupation. And the name escapes me, 292 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:21.320 but the chief reporting party was something like Karapatian or Kara. 293 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:23.279 Pat sounds right, that that sounds right. 294 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:26.840 And so that's a fairly well documented case that I 295 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:30.919 think Boris Porsnev brought to attention in his writings and 296 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:34.360 manuscripts that that was later sort of regurgitated by Dmitri 297 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:37.519 Bayanov and Igor Birdseave, etcetera. It's funny because a member 298 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:40.080 had just submitted that story to us saying like, hey, 299 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:41.840 you guys should do a deep dive on that someday. 300 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:44.159 So that was on my to do list to brush 301 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:46.200 up on. So I should have done that before today, 302 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:47.159 but I thought we had. 303 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.799 Apparently, how would you know it's going to come up? Though? 304 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.720 But yeah, that is a different story than the Zana 305 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:53.559 story for sure. 306 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:54.240 Yeah. 307 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:57.399 Yeah again, but Donna's no hack ause you can tell, man, 308 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.559 she's she's done her homework. And I really appreciate that. 309 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:05.360 So absolutely, thanks, yeah, thanks. And there's I can't remember 310 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:08.879 the woman's name, but there was a woman who wrote 311 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:13.639 something like the Origins of was it the Origins of Man? 312 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:16.559 Or something like that? She wrote she did a really 313 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:23.399 really intense deep dive documenting all of these the way 314 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.080 that some of these creatures, depending on what country it 315 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.720 is in they were called something else, all these sightings, 316 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:32.799 and the way that they were kind of almost part 317 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:36.960 of everyday life long ago and like a common sight 318 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.519 to see long ago in certain countries. And she really 319 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:44.679 went in depth doing this study on it and wrote 320 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:46.320 I wish I could remember her name. 321 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:48.679 Well, there were quite a few who focused on that 322 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:49.279 sort of a. 323 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:52.639 This was a woman like I want to say she was. 324 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.720 There was Myra Shackley, and there was Marine G. Kaufman, 325 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.120 and it might have been Kaufman. 326 00:16:58.559 --> 00:16:59.519 Maybe it was Kaufman. 327 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:02.279 Yeah, yeah, those would be the big three would be 328 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.160 Myra Shackley, Odett Cherney, and Marigian Kaufman. Who did actually. 329 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:08.559 Marie Kaufman, that's the one. Yeah. I read all of 330 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:12.519 her papers on it, and those were really fascinating to me. 331 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:15.319 I couldn't get in. I read them like twice. They 332 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.960 were really fascinating. So yeah, in answer to your question, 333 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:23.880 I do plan to go to go overseas and look 334 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.720 in to, you know, investigate some of these as best 335 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:30.279 I can. That The problem is, I think that it 336 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:34.839 might have been easier long ago, when they were either 337 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:39.279 more plentiful or just not as afraid to be seen 338 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.599 or whatever it was. They seem to have been seen 339 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:45.480 a lot more frequently long ago than they are now, 340 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:47.319 and I don't know what the reason for that is. 341 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:52.240 I would imagine that worldwide, the mystery apes, at least 342 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.319 in some places, are either retreating to further recluses, you know, 343 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:58.680 a place of refugees further away from people, or they're 344 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:01.640 actually becoming more and more and possibly going extinct in 345 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.079 some parts of the world. We just don't know. 346 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:05.640 I wanted to ask I've forgotten to ask you when 347 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:09.240 I was at your museum with you, what do you 348 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:11.839 think that they are? Because I know everybody kind of 349 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:16.039 has a different opinion on what they are. Meaning, you know, 350 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:19.400 people say, which I don't believe that it's a missing link. 351 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.880 My personal opinion is that that's not it. Some people say, 352 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:27.279 you know that there's some kind of alien life form 353 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:31.160 or some kind of alien experiment gone wrong. Some people 354 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:35.319 say it is a true ape. What is your opinion 355 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:36.160 on what they are? 356 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.200 Well, if we're talking worldwide, I think there's a number 357 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:41.519 of things going on. Like you mentioned the almosty for example, 358 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:44.400 I think the almosty is probably some sort of relic 359 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.680 species of Neander Taller Dnisovin or some sort of a 360 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:52.119 more modern hominym essentially. But when you talk about Sasquatches, 361 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:54.680 I think that's a different story. I personally think that 362 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:57.000 they might be some sort of relic. Now, relic is 363 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.680 a term in biology that means still surviving in small numbers, 364 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.000 and though they were probably once more plentiful, so there's 365 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.039 probably I think there are probably some sort of relic 366 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:08.480 paranthropy and like a paranthropist or the Gigantipithecus is still 367 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:10.279 on the table. I don't see a reason to discount 368 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:14.359 that yet or ost likely, because just numerically speaking, it's 369 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:16.119 probably something we have. We don't have a record up 370 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.519 in the fossil record at this right because our fossil 371 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.240 record is so incomplete. But it's some sort of I 372 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.200 think it's some sort of possibly a hominin, which is 373 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:27.400 a fancy word for anything on our family tree since 374 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:29.599 we split off from chimpanzees about six to eight million 375 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.880 years ago, but some sort of mystery ape species, and 376 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:35.400 an ape is a very broad term. And just so 377 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.359 you know, I'm an ape, you're an ape. We're all 378 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:41.440 apes because I speak about sasquatches biologically. So I think 379 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.000 that's probably what they are, is some sort of archaic 380 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:49.359 hominin species that has eked out a living in small 381 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:51.640 numbers here in North America and probably other parts of 382 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.759 the world as well. So it's as simple as that. 383 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:58.240 That sounds reasonable to me too. I don't know. I'm 384 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:01.200 kind of on the fence about I don't no exactly. 385 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:03.279 I haven't decided in my mind what I think that 386 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:08.240 they are. I just I feel very confident that they 387 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:12.200 do exist. And I know that they're still being seen 388 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:17.440 very frequently, but like I said, it feels like they 389 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:19.920 used to be a more common sight a long time 390 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:21.000 ago than they are now. 391 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:25.039 I don't know. I don't know, just because they seem 392 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:27.160 to be pretty common and not common nowadays. But I mean, 393 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:29.680 I got another word yesterday if someone saw one on 394 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:32.079 Saturday up and outside of Ridgefield in Washington. 395 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:32.480 Wow. 396 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:37.720 Yeah. And so that's the since July third, and what 397 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:40.559 is today the seventeenth, that's the third sighting that has 398 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:45.039 come to my ears since July third. So but I 399 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.160 mean that's just having an antenna up, you know, and 400 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:50.440 it's like a bright light. The North American Big Percenter 401 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:52.839