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Speaker 1: What these up pellas Echo's Omnian Valley, joined by my

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certify fantabulous co host mister Grant Hughes his post Born

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of Time. Memphis Grizzlies have fallen like we all excid

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bit to the Oklahoma City thunder, and now it's time

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to talk about their future. Grand Are you ready to

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dig in?

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to uh to decide if the Memphis Grizzlies

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as we know them get to continue to exist? Is

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that what we're here to talk about.

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Speaker 1: It's very existential and foreboding and spot on. So we

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have to start with just where exactly do they go

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from here? Let's look at someone just really quickly relay

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it to you from your watching on YouTube. It's on

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the screen. They're heading into the off season. They can

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get to a little more than seven million dollars in

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cap space without making any other moves. That is with

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Santi Aldama's eleven point nine million dollar restricted free agency

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hold does not include a hold for Lukenard, though that's big.

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Obviously we all Lukenard to get him max deal. Jared

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will be eligible for a five year three hundred and

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forty five million dollars max extension. If not, because the

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Grizzlies can get cap space, they can do what is

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called the renegotiate and extend. What that will effectively do

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Grant correct me if I make this too complex. They

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can bump up his salary for next season and then

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they can extend him one hundred and forty percent give

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him one hundred and forty percent raise off that number. So,

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as an example, because he's making twenty four million or

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whatever it is, let's say they bump him up to

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thirty million next year. He gets that immediate pay increase,

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and now they can extend him moving forward for a

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starting salary at forty two point six million dollars, still

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not his max, but way more palatable to sign an

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extension like in the first year of his deal. None

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of that might matter, though, because our guests would be

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if they're not announced as you're listening to this, he's

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going to make all MBA right and qualify for that

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super PointX.

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Speaker 2: We both had him there. I think I think he's

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deserved it based on his play this season. So yeah,

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that he's gonna be eligible for whether or not he

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gets it, I think is one of the most fascinating

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questions of any team's offseason. For that five year, big, big, big, big,

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big contract.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to get the like we saw Rudy

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Gobert did not sign for he got he was super

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max eligible, but did not get the full supermax. But

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you're still looking at it in terms of are we

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committing even thirty percent of the salary cap over the

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next x amount of years to this player? And that's like,

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that's not an insignificant commitment to make to someone who,

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as good as he is, he's never looked like a

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number one offensive option. We saw him have limitations in

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the series against this thunder. But I think, like, I

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don't even know where do you start with this team

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when evaluating them. Grant it's like, okay, cap space, if

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they have it, it's only to renegotiate and extend Jared

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the cap, use the full non tax player midlevel. So

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you're kind of looking at trades, right if you're gonna

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upgrade this team in any meaningful.

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Speaker 2: Way, how And then the subsequent question, yes, you're right,

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how do you make trades to improve on the margins

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with the salaries they have on the books, Like, is

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that possible or do you have to start looking at

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moving bigger pieces?

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Speaker 1: I guess you could. They still have draft equity even

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though they gave away this year's first round pick to

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offload the Marcus Smart contract. But to your point, Brandon

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Clark is their fourth highest paid player next season right now.

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Maybe that becomes Santi Aldama at some point, but like

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that's they're not gonna trade him in that scenario. John

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paid player. And so if you stack their contracts on

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top of each other, you're not in big time player territory.

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You're in, Oh could we get I'm just throwing names

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around the price, Like you're in Anthony Simon's territory, who

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they don't need to be clear, you're in DeAndre Hunter?

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not looking at that grant, aren't we effectively asking is

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it time to bust up the big three?

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Speaker 2: So this is the central question, I think, and and

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we'll get to because you're better at this stuff than

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what might some trades look like, I think you have that.

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That's the threshold question is is the job Bayine Morant

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or job Baine and Morant, So there's that's that's two people.

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Is the Jackson Baine Morant trio good enough to keep

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intact and go forward saying we just need to, like tinker,

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we need to improve on the margins I think we get.

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I'll just say I you can, and you can plead

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guilds here innocent if you want. But I think I

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find it too easy to say this core isn't good enough,

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both in this case and like generally, because like good

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enough I think means like we think they could win

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a championship, and that's a super high bar, especially for

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a small market team where that just isn't always the goal.

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So normally I would say, like, yeah, it's pretty clear

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that this team has real flaws. These three guys are

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already You've already paid all three of these guys, like

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you're one, two, and three, Like you can't like who

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you know, there's not someone you're gonna bring in from

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the outside. You just explain like the trade restrictions salary wise,

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like you can't bring someone in that makes more than

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one of these three guys, especially if Jackson gets the

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new deal, whichever form that takes. Like, these are your

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top three players. So normally you'd say, like, well, clearly

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they're not good enough. They you know, had to fight

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to get into the playoffs to begin with. There's the

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jaw off court stuff. There's the jaw durability stuff. There's

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Baine being like maybe topped out already. There's Jackson you know,

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being good. But like we said, like you said, not

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number one option.

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Speaker 1: All that stuff was at Game one he had more

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turnovers three than defensive rebounds zero against the Funder.

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Speaker 2: You've had a coaching change too, So like there's all

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these things you normally would say, like, all right, this

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is this has run its course. I think given their

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ages and given the commitments you've already made the twenty five,

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twenty five and twenty six, given the restrictions you have,

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given the fact that like you're either gonna go forward

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with Thomas is Silo or find someone else to coach

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this team, I kind of think you got to give

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it another year.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I Like I came to that today because before that

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I was like, not good enough.

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Speaker 1: Blow it up.

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Speaker 2: And then I'm like trying to catch myself and be

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a little more level headed about it, cause don't don't

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you think Like I guess the counter argument is like

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we have enough information, and maybe that's right, but I

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just think, like, practically speaking, if you blow this up,

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you're it's like you're gonna be bad for for several years, probably.

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Speaker 1: Because you don't trade a member of the Big Three

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and get better. But I don't think, well, I think actually,

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I think it comes down to, yes, I know they

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have Jalen Wells was injured, but he was not winning

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them the Thunder series. That's still the type. It's not

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the Jaln Wells type of player. But when you look

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at the makeup of this roster, I think that between

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using Jaron at the five and just having Zach Edy

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for sure, it's you look at it and it's still

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like the three, like the combo forward wing area where

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it's you need to get a higher end option there,

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and if you believe that higher end option needs to

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be a star, that's I think where you get into

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kind of the well do we bust up the Big

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three things? But if you think this team could be

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good enough, because I'm with you, and I don't I'm

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guilty of it. I will say this team is not

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good enough as currently constructed. They're they're so deep as

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we saw, but that unraveled a little bit in the

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regular season, and I think we've also kind of seen

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they're not playoff deep either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so but I think that could change. I think

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organically because I think given there in the ages of

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the best three players they have, it's possible that Jackson

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is this good or slightly better next year. I think

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it's possible that Moran and beaying same thing we've seen

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morent be better than this. Now we can get into

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the like that I can't stop ever talking about the

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like the life spent the prime lifespan of a player

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like Morant who just had another massive fall in that series,

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Like that's scary. Uh. But you also you mentioned Edie

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and you mentioned Wells, Like those are two rookies that

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played like major minutes this year. I think both of them,

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the expectations should be that they're better now. They both

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are like not super high ceiling guys, and maybe that's

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like part of the reason they were you know, they

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were drafted like for floors perhaps, but like both those

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guys could get a little better. Then that makes it

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seem like you don't need a star to get this

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team over the hump. They say there's like five incremental

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improvements or at least nobody gets worse, And then you're talking,

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you know, like that, that's that's why I lean towards like,

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we don't need to do anything drastic. But if they're

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gonna do something, You're right, it's gotta be someone that

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like makes it so that Wells is not so important

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to the success of the team, Like that's he's over

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like way overstretched for his draft slot and just like

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what kind of player he is?

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Speaker 1: Now, are you saying that you think they can become

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good enough organically without making any type of move to

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be what to be like a real contender? Not Oh,

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look at how their top five in offensive defense or

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two thirds of the regular season more of a real

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they're beating good teams. You would pick them to win

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a playoffs, like two playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's it's possible. I don't

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know if i'd say it's likely, but I think it's

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like it's possible enough that I would go that way

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before I start doing like major reconstructions. I think, you know,

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does that make that that feels like a cop out,

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But it's like the chance is great enough for me

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that that's that would sway me towards let's let's see

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one more year and maybe it's like, oh, well know

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in December like nope, like this this ain't it, But

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I think it's worth it to me to see.

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Speaker 1: Do you think so? I from your standpoint then, because

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I guess I'm honestly undecided still, I'm trying to kind

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of talk through it. But based off what you're saying,

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if we say that is possible, then doing something like

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trading for Dorian Finney Smith as they passed on near

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the Terry deadline, or going after DeAndre Hunter if he

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became available again as Cleveland goes into the second apron,

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or maybe looking at oh, can we just combine salaries

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and get Jeremy Grant. Do you think like those would

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have to be the types of moves that you could

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make and then say we are better enough to hold

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ourselves to that bar. Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Maybe, And I do think I think specifically so the

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Marcus Smart trade was a mistake like that that just

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didn't work out for a number of reasons you could.

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Speaker 1: Want both the Marcus Mart trades.

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Speaker 2: Media which one are you talking about? The first one

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is the one I'm talking about specifically when they got

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Marcus Smart. But you're right. I also think the target

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needs to be an adult in the room. And maybe

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that won't matter, but I think that was now that

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was maybe the most misguided part of the Marcus Smart

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trade is like he left Boston, everybody was like, thank God,

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like man, he wouldn't you know, like all the talk,

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like he wouldn't shut up? Like he he you Maybe

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the Grizzlies just really mischaracterized or like missed on who

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they thought he was locker room wise, But I do

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think that you need someone like I don't know, it

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can't be this guy, but like, man, this team would

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get a lot of mileage out of like Jeff Green

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just being there, you know, like that that's not the

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player they need, that's the thingirement Maybe so you probably

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can't get both, but so because you need the guy

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that's really gonna play, like Pinney Smith, I think that'd

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Speaker 1: Bring Steven Adams back.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't hate it, I don't hate it

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at all, But if you could get you need two things.

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need the like, Okay, this guy takes Jalen Well's spot

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in the starting lineup and or closing lineup, and then

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you need like at least one sage presence to just

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kind of rein in the bullshit, especially if like you're

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gonna have a first year coach or you're gonna have

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some new coach that doesn't have pre existing relationships with

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the stars here who like in that scenario, like you

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might just you know, they might just feel like they

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don't have to listen to anybody, you know, So you

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need you need, Like I think it's such a hack

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thing to say, but like there needs to be like

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some veteran stuff happening there for like accountability purposes.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't think that's lame. I think that's a

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really sailing point. It does kind of bleed in though

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to the next part of this, which I'm not necessarily

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advocating for, but should trading Jaron Jackson Junior be off

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the table now if you're going the new I think, look,

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maybe this all starts with John Morant. But I also

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for a lot of the stuff you said about jaw,

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the durability, specifically the limitation still is a shooter, Yeah,

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maybe the shorter window of his prime you can't You

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could say, all right, move him. Other teams are gonna

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have the same feelings that we're having, and so someone

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might be value him more than their grizzlies of like,

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are you sure you're getting a haul? But I think

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it's easy to say, yeah, of course you would at

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least consider trading Jaron if you're gonna tear it down,

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But you also have to consider the long term viability

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of keeping this team together and so and as I

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mentioned before, like how do you get better if you

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trade jot Or Because you could just say, well, if

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we don't want this top heavy of a payroll, you

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move jot Or Bane and kind of reorient the roster.

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It's just hard to get better when you do that.

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And even if you're not if it's a maybe it's

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not a payroll thing, but if we want to balance

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out the positional spectrum of how we're divving up. But

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you'll be an interesting challenge trade. I don't think this

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guy's a good enough shooter like Desmond Baine for Franz

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Wagner would be very.

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Speaker 2: Enough, that'd be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could go that route. But let's just

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say that's not the that you're not going to the

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absolutely nuclear we're tearing it down route knowing how Memphis

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operates and how does it also affect Like is Zach

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Cleman even safe here? But like if you're the Grizzlies

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is moving Jaron Jackson Junior, if he's gonna command what

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if he just says, like I want the super Max

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otherwise I'm gonna test free agency? Does that need to

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be on the table then for you?

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Speaker 2: I understand why uh why that might be where where

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the thinking would go. But like he just he's he

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amstrings you if that is out And the reason you're

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shopping him is because you don't want to give him

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that deal in any team that acquires him knows it's

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on the hook for you know, a one year rental

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or they're gonna have to pay the guy, don't you think? Though?

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I guess my answer is like you got to think

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about it if that's what it comes to. But what

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I am kind of persuaded that like Jackson, I think

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is certainly still like a positive trade value guy if

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he's on the renegotiate and extend. Maybe maybe not at

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the five for three forty five the sticker shock. The

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raw numbers are like I'm still not adjusted to those,

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like cap percentage wise.

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Speaker 1: Thirty five percent of the cap is what are we

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be on the books for. I don't think he's an

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attractive asset at that number because probably not. There's I

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feel like there are limitations when maybe this says more

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about the personal run up, but there are limitations defensively

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with him at the five this year, and just for

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as much as he's grown on offense, is this like

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do you consider him a number two option type material

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on the offensive end? Yet? I mean most to that

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than he's ever been. If he's not, Yeah, he's.

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Speaker 2: Close, he's close. And I do think that he is

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easy to fit around because like you can just play

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a Zach Edy type at center, and Jackson's ideal as

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like a big you know, a big rover that can

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space the floor on offense, you know. So, like I

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think he has like pretty broad appeal in ways that

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someone like Morant probably doesn't and Baine probably doesn't at

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that price point because Bain is just kind of he's

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a two uh and he's he's not quite an all star,

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and he's paid like an all you know what I mean, Like,

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I think Jackson has the most trade value, and I

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guess that's also just an argument for why, like, no,

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he's the guy to hold on to move the others.

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But then the counter is, like you can't get as

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much for those others. I don't know. Jackson feels like

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someone you could keep around if you were doing a

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hard rebuild or a soft one, and it just would

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make sense. But like, man, I don't. I think I

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don't want to trade him unless it's like five for

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three forty five, and then I have to really have

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that conversation.

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Speaker 1: I think now between John Moran and Desmond Bay, if

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you're keeping Jaron Jackson Junior, I'm not necessarily you're obligated

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to be competitive, but like you kind of if you're

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gonna keep him, and means you're paying him until you are, Yeah,

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which if you could, And because I'm not saying it's impossible,

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who has or who would it be easier to upgrade

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from or change up the look of the roster from

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and be better, I guess basically would you rather have,

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let's dangle John Moran in trade talks and move forward

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with Baine and Jackson as the core that we're trying

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to pair this next player with or flip it and

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we're putting Baine on the market and we're moving forward

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with John Jaron Jackson Junior. And that's what we're trying

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to upgrade, like the roster around using Baine as the

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trade ship.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I kind of like the thought of

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and tell me what you think, Scotti, Pippens your point guard.

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Now Baine's still there. Somehow, somehow magically you've moved off

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Jaw for zero dollars or what you've traded him for.

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You know, I'm just trying to re imagine the reconfigured

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version of the Grizzlies that instead of a guy making

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Jaws sal instead of Jaw, you have a guy making

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Jaws number who's a three or a four that that

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like is roughly equivalent, like you know, NBA hierarchy positionally

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to Jaw at the at that spot. I don't know

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who that is, because Jaw's value right now is like

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really hard to pin down, you know what I mean,

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Like it's Pippin' Baine. I don't know. We'll just say

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player at wing x Jack.

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Speaker 1: You know, it would be a wild challenge trade. I

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don't know if they would do it. Jahn Moran for

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Scoot Henderson and Denny Avdia.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, where do I order my Grizzlies Jersey?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's like a hard no from Portland's perspective.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I just I'm excited if that

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happens from Memphis. Yeah, I don't know. Portland would have

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to really love Jaw and decide that Scoot is not

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going to be and I think they are not convinced

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of either of those things. But you know that that

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I think it's an interesting thought experiment, like because Jaw

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very much is like he is the poster, He's the

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signature Grizzlies player, Like he's the guy, Like he's the

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biggest star there. He's reached the highest highs probably in

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terms of like best peaks of the three guys that

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are the core of that team. But what do they

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look like with someone on the wing and Pippin at

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the point with Bain and like, I don't know, it's

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it's they just feel like a weird, like more stable

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like normal team.

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Speaker 1: Do you say, is he not good enough to do there.

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I think there have to be other stuff involved. But

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just because Utah does need a for general of the

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future unless you really believe it's Kanta George Isaiah Collier.

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If you build something around lowry marketing to Memphis, compair

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him with Bain, Scottie Pippen and Karen Jackson Junior, does

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that other stuff is included from memphisis perspective. I just

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don't know. It's weird because I'm saying other stuff would

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need to go to Memphis, because I don't remark his

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carter doesn't look to great after this year. You could

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talk it up to whatever was, but it doesn't look great.

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But I'm also just like, if I'm Utah, I don't

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know I want to do that.

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Speaker 2: That's a tough one. That's like a couple of kind

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of distressed assets. That's I'm into that idea because I

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do think you insulate marking in with Jackson and Edie

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as just an enormous front court. Marketing marketing offensively can

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play the three, and then I think you could probably

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get just the sheer size of the front court and

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Jackson maybe guard some wings. I guess could or at

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least could clean up messes when marketing gets cooked by

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like a six seven by by like one of the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one more wonky one please base framework JAW.

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I don't know what the other moving pieces are JAW

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for Yannis because if he doesn't want to be Milwaukee,

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Milwaukee can't get all it's picks back anyway, So maybe

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you still want to be competitive. You're then trying to

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figure out the Dame situation. But if you're moving Yannis,

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I can almost bet that Dame is not sticking around anyway.

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And so it's okay, we don't have our picks, but

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we still have He's on He's on just his first

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max contract still, and then we try and build a

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round jaw, and we're getting other picks as part of

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that from other teams. So it's we don't have our

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own picks, we could still be competitive because we potentially

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have this ten pole star as well as I would

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assume other draft equity.

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Speaker 2: I mean Memphis, that's another one. Memphis is like yes please,

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I think, And then the thing.

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Speaker 1: I would I would question Giannis and Jared's kind of

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a glove like I'm.

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Speaker 2: Willing I'd like to see what that looks like, I'm

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willing to check it out. You have my attention with

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that one, But you're right, like, I don't know about

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that one. Wise.

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Speaker 1: It's weird this the moral the stories. I think we

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agree that they're not gonna go the nuclear out, and

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I think it's gonna be easier and it's always easier

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fresh off it for them to say go the nuclear out.

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But I think the two inflection points would be, is

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Jaren going to be okay if you don't want to

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give him the super Max? Like is that something you

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can then still work out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The other one soon we haven't talked about this, Like,

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if they make any moves in the front office, would

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that signal to you that, oh, maybe they are open

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to going the more nuclear rap?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably, because then it's like you, the new executive

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is not tied to guys that he drafted or developed

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or is like you know, signed off on or whatever.

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That just seems like it generally makes makes that easier,

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I guess, although I don't know. That wasn't what I

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thought about the Horst extension initially, but you kind of

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talked me back around on that one. Do I think

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do you think Jackson is gonna be because we all

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we're all wringing our hands about like, man, this second

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apron and like Boston's gonna have to be the like

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the the litmus test for a team's tolerance for how

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good can a team be and be super expense Like,

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is Jackson maybe gonna be the guy that eligible for

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a super Max team in normal circumstances would just do it? Uh,

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and this time not gonna happen. And that's just like

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the new normal where just because you're eligible for it,

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that that's not the bar anymore. Like it has to

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be just no brainer, like and it's different than a

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rookie extension where it's like you just give it to

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Fronz and Kate and Mobile and whatever and how but

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it's like and MAXI or no, Maxie didn't get it,

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did he? Or did he?

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Speaker 1: I can't he got it. He didn't get the extension.

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He just what they waited till free.

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Speaker 2: But maybe Jackson's the guy where it's like we just

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don't just we don't just rubber stamp those anymore, not

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in this cap environment, sir.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a great point because I think that that's

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where we're headed to. Where I think that if you

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if it was this summer in Jalen Brown was eligible

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for it. Yeah, I think that that becomes a different

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conversation than it was a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's not just the team's tolerance for or

476
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,079
fear of the second apron. It's the like, Okay, go

477
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,960
out and get go out and go and see what

478
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,640
you can get. Nobody's got money to spend, like you're

479
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,839
just I think that's you know, maybe that's different in

480
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,119
twenty six, but it's like, I think it's just a lot.

481
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,519
It's gonna be. Things are gonna get a little tighter,

482
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,519
I think with some of these extensions, And I think

483
00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:50,559
that's probably a good thing, not for players, but but

484
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,079
for like not having a bunch of teams that can't

485
00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:55,839
do anything, you know, which is where we're sort of

486
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,680
headed college.

487
00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: It's a great thing for ownership, but it's probably a

488
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,680
good thing for the fans because it's less likely that

489
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,240
your teams get trapped, get stuck. Coxy Cap.

490
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. We're not just rooting

491
00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:09,440
for owners, We're rooting for fan experience.

492
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,319
Speaker 1: And speaking of fan experiences, one of our discord members

493
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,400
asked this, Bryden Uh, there's like a Ja Morant for

494
00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,599
Trey Young challenge trade being floated around the Twitter sphere.

495
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:22,599
This is I saw it before the Ja Morant hip injury.

496
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,920
But like, who is the team that says no to that?

497
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,119
And am I wrong for thinking that it should be Atlanta?

498
00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:32,400
Do you know how I looked at it? Though I

499
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,880
do value Trey Young, I think more as a I

500
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,640
think he's a more dynamic scorer, and he is the

501
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:42,920
better passer Jaw He's Jow's probably the better defender. But

502
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:44,359
it's actually close.

503
00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter though they're both not good, so like kind.

504
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:51,319
Speaker 1: Of the turning portfiitos like Treyon's contracts a little bit shorter,

505
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,720
so if you got to like get out of it

506
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,319
like that, That's why I would prefer to have Trey.

507
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like, I don't know, Atlanta, I

508
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:02,160
think they should just do it. I think I think

509
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,799
it should happen. I think both teams.

510
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: They're spacing is already pretty poor and we want to

511
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,559
add like rant and but.

512
00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:10,519
Speaker 2: I don't like, do you could sell like I don't

513
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,720
know how I can't. How much younger is Job than

514
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:14,559
Trey is like a couple of years I can't. I

515
00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:15,200
can't remember.

516
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,839
Speaker 1: Oh, he's gotta be like two, I think, right, because

517
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:19,519
Trey is what twenty eight?

518
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:21,039
Speaker 2: Who's the number in my head?

519
00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:24,039
Speaker 1: Trey is twenty six, So he's younger than I thought,

520
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:24,920
so they might be closer.

521
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,279
Speaker 2: John five.

522
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: Oh, John Rant's twenty five.

523
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: I think. I'm just don't get Yeah.

524
00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: He's twenty five. He was born in August. He'll turn

525
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:34,759
twenty six in August. Trey turns twenty seven in so

526
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,319
about two years. He turns twenty seven in September. Okay,

527
00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:41,880
I think I would. I think if I was the Grizzlies,

528
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,160
I would make that deal. But then it's like you're

529
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,319
getting more expensive though, because Trey Young is further along

530
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,519
in his MAX contract and then he's coming up on

531
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:51,160
his other one, and we're talking about, oh you're paying

532
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,279
jarn you like you that. One of the good great

533
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,400
things for the Grizzlies about John Rant is they just

534
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,319
have him under team control for the next three years,

535
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:00,359
no options, right, anything?

536
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: Right? I mean, yeah, I guess that. I guess that's good.

537
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:09,119
We'll find out. Yeah, I don't know. Can you promise

538
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,119
me Trey is gonna shoot better than like league average

539
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,720
from three. Ever, again, that would be cool.

540
00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: I actually could promise you that because the Grizzlies I

541
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,160
think just have more playmaking than Atlanta had around him

542
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,440
this year. I think that would make it. He was

543
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,440
also dealing with that Achilles injury all year too.

544
00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's good. Good challenge trades by you.

545
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,079
I mean.

546
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: The Franz and the Gianness ones and what was the

547
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,799
other one? The poorly one came to me in this moment.

548
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,599
I kind of hate it for both teams so much

549
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,400
that I want to see it.

550
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:40,079
Speaker 2: I I would, Yeah, I don't know if I was

551
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,839
gonna say, oh, I do it if I'm Memphis, but

552
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,519
that's me. I don't know if Memphis actually would.

553
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,799
Speaker 1: Are you ready to do some guess of players? Okay? Uh?

554
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,799
Do you wanna? I can start by riading you some

555
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:55,079
clues if you are ready. Okay, This one comes from Austin.

556
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:59,400
Clue number one. Grant I was drafted by an Eastern

557
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,000
Conference team prior to the two thousands, but decided to

558
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:05,799
play overseas instead for the next several seasons. You don't

559
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,079
have a year here except for prior to the two.

560
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,039
Speaker 2: Thousands, so nineteen. Well, let's see the Pacers have been

561
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,480
an NBA franchise since I don't know when the seventies.

562
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,680
Just overseas guy drafted by the Eastern I mean, should

563
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,599
we just assume it's a Pacer? I always do. I'm

564
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,200
not gonna I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna

565
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,119
anchor to Indiana one shot kill are Vetus Sabonis. Although

566
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,599
I think Portland got his draft rights initially.

567
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,839
Speaker 1: It is not him. He also was not a Pacer.

568
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know that I was. I'm not.

569
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,920
He said Eastern Conference team, which is wrong because I

570
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,720
love him to pick somebody else.

571
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: Draws and Petrovitch not him either. I think you already.

572
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,839
I think didn't you get draws on in one like

573
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,039
guess once before?

574
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say yes.

575
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,319
Speaker 1: Are you ready for Clue too?

576
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:55,519
Speaker 2: Yes? Please?

577
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:59,599
Speaker 1: I teamed up with another future NBA All Star in college,

578
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,799
Tim Hardaway at utep Oh.

579
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: I feel like I should know this. So wait, he

580
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:13,000
was drafted What's What's clue one? Drafted by an Eastern

581
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,359
Conference team prior to the two thousands, but went overseas first.

582
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,519
Speaker 1: For the next several seasons, so it goes.

583
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,759
Speaker 2: Overseas for a while, but also played with Hardaway at UTEP.

584
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,319
Speaker 1: Huh not Tim Hardaway junior who went to Michigan. In

585
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:27,200
case you're off on timelines, No, I I.

586
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: Got, I got the the the original Hardaway.

587
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,279
Speaker 1: Well, just as the foremost college basketball.

588
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,839
Speaker 2: Did you know Tim Hardaway junior went to Michigan or

589
00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:37,119
did they just off the top of your head?

590
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: No, No, I knew that. I knew that one.

591
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I guess yeah, he wasn't he was? He

592
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,599
drafted by the Knicks. Yes, okay, correct, you're correct, you've

593
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,680
you've won. Guess a player.

594
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: We're out of here. I don't think I know.

595
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,759
Speaker 2: I can't name another player on the Hardway UTEP teams,

596
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,720
so he's literally the only player I know went to UTEP.

597
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,039
Speaker 1: Clue three. My basketball jeans have been passed on in

598
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:05,640
my family as my daughter daughter Kayla won an NCAA

599
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:07,839
championship and is currently in the w NBA.

600
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,039
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a where we got some wide ranging

601
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:19,519
international basketball college basketball w NBA basketball. Uh, Kyla, I

602
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:21,759
don't this is embarrassing. I don't know any I don't

603
00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:24,119
know enough about the WNBA to to just rattle off

604
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,000
Kila's h I don't have a guess.

605
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: Clue four. Speaking of family, the year after my draft class,

606
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,680
my Midwest team drafted another player, to which many people

607
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,359
called us the Blank Brothers, despite us having no actual

608
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,359
family relation. Oh okay, I know this team in the

609
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,559
NBA is from the Midwest.

610
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: I'll take I'll give you two guesses. Uh, Antonio Davis,

611
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:51,880
you got it.

612
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:55,319
Speaker 1: On Clupe four seven? That was This was a really

613
00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:58,200
good guess of player Austin I thought, yeah, Uh, clue

614
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:00,480
number five would have been if you didn't care on

615
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,680
include number two. I was a one time All Star

616
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,599
in two thousand and one for the team that drafted me.

617
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,160
I would spend six seasons with this team before heading

618
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,119
further north north out of the country again to play

619
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,240
five more seasons. Clue six. I raked up a career

620
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:17,400
nine hundred and three games, played, ninety one points, seven

621
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,519
hundred and fifty five rebounds. I will say, if you

622
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:21,119
got it on that clue, I would have been more

623
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:22,720
impressed than if you got it on clue four.

624
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,519
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, well, it's just in fact it was a pacer,

625
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,839
so I should I should have stayed anchored to that

626
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:29,960
h seven.

627
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: The final one was I spent six seasons combined with

628
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:33,519
both Indiana and Toronto.

629
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, always preferred Antonio Davis to Dale Davis. Not sure

630
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:39,279
why of the Davis I liked.

631
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:42,599
Speaker 1: I like multi syllable first names. Oh that's why I.

632
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,119
Speaker 2: Prefer you hate alliterations too, so that you never had

633
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:46,359
a chance Dale Davis.

634
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: Did they really call them the Davis brothers though?

635
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do remember that, all right.

636
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: That's just like calling McHale Bridges and Miles Bridges the

637
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,799
Bridges brothers. Except what was the other one? Oh?

638
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,519
Speaker 2: Like, did did Rashid and Ben Wallace ever get called

639
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,640
the Wallace brothers when they were on the Pistons? Probably not?

640
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,359
Speaker 1: I forgot that, I hope.

641
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:10,359
Speaker 2: So now Wallace's I have one for you that, hopefully

642
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,880
we haven't done yet. I'm not confident in that this

643
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,519
is from Mike Clue number one. I've played for eleven

644
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,720
different teams in my NBA career, only having multiple since

645
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:22,440
with one team.

646
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:25,279
Speaker 1: Wait, only having multiples.

647
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: So like, been been on been on a certain team.

648
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,519
Speaker 1: Twice, eleven teams.

649
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: Luke Grittenhauer, you know he was on eleven teams in

650
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,119
one day at the trade deadline a few years ago.

651
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Drew Gooden.

652
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: Good good attempt good good good journeyman to throw out there.

653
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:51,160
Clue number two? Wow? Really? Oh yeah?

654
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: Okay?

655
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:56,559
Speaker 2: I was a top five pick in the mid two thousands.

656
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,799
Speaker 1: Top five pick in the mid two thousands. Should I

657
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,039
just tell you the college knowing that it was, I

658
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,160
could give me the college. I just know it.

659
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: I want to make sure he doesn't give you. I

660
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,680
don't think Mike will be mad if I say the

661
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,960
college was Georgetown.

662
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,079
Speaker 1: That's not gonna help me even a little bit. Yeah, okay,

663
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,160
eleven teams out of Georgetown, top five pick in the middle.

664
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,839
I bet you that probably helped like two thirds of

665
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,880
the people listn't it.

666
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: I won't say anything else.

667
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,319
Speaker 1: I went to Georgetown, I don't. I don't know, all right.

668
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: Clue number three. I spent three and a half years

669
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,960
with the team that drafted me, averaging fourteen point two

670
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,720
points per game. That's tough. That's not gonna be.

671
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: Three and a half years at fourteen point two points

672
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,279
per game. Who feels like a fourteen point two point

673
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:50,000
per game score that also went to Georgetown? Did Jared

674
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,200
Jefferies go to Georgetown when he was Indiana? And there's

675
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,559
no way he ever averaged fourteen point two points per game?

676
00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,200
I think you're good to It's not Mike Sweetney. I'm

677
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,759
just gonna name one player I know went to Jordan.

678
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,519
Speaker 2: No good job though that he did go to Georgetown.

679
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,680
All right, I will read you clue four if you're ready.

680
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm ready this.

681
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: I like you're ran warmer for you here. I was

682
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,680
traded mid season with Nanad Christich for Nate Robinson and

683
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:22,599
a man more known for being a pundit. Who is that?

684
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,839
Speaker 1: So they're known for being on TV or podcast? I

685
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,039
guess at this point what was the trade it was? Plus?

686
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,160
What was it? NATEO Christis for Nate Robinson.

687
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, traded with Christich for Nate Robinson and a man

688
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,000
more known for being a pundit. This one does not

689
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:44,200
help me, this one. This one would get me farther

690
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:44,799
from the mark.

691
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: So this wasn't Nate Robinson going to the Knicks because

692
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,599
they drafted him, I believe. So it might have been

693
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,920
the Knicks trading Nate Robinson. M you don't have to

694
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,279
answer that. I'm just trying to work it through.

695
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't even remember another team for Nate Robinson

696
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,119
besides the Knicks.

697
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: Oh, that's all he was.

698
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,759
Speaker 2: Definitely he was on the Warriors for a minute.

699
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:11,279
Speaker 1: Actually that's too late, though, I I get but they

700
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,440
went to Georgetown. I feel like I should be zeroing

701
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,759
in on that a little bit. Who went to Georgetown.

702
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,480
I know two players who went to Georgetown, Patrick Ewing

703
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,119
and Michael Sweetenne, and I think that's it.

704
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: Alan Iverson went to Georgetown. That's a big one, is it?

705
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: Alan Iverson?

706
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: Be messed up? I just just blew up Mike's Guessa player.

707
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Hit me with clue what are we on? Five?

708
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,279
Speaker 2: Clue five? There are only six clues, but I have

709
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:38,160
additional clues I can make up for you. Number five.

710
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,200
I played until twenty fifteen with that team, so wherever

711
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,640
he went with Christich. Since then, I've never played more

712
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,799
than two years with a single franchise, despite the fact,

713
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,559
oh now I know the trade, despite the fact I've

714
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,559
only had two seasons averaging less than eight points a game.

715
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: This guy didn't go to Georgetown.

716
00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:57,799
Speaker 2: What's that?

717
00:33:58,039 --> 00:33:58,759
Speaker 1: Al Harrington?

718
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:03,079
Speaker 2: No, Al Harrington was a high school guy. I think, well,

719
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:06,160
now he's a pothead the entrepreneur.

720
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:16,119
Speaker 1: Please sorry cover him? Despite never act Aaron Aflalo where

721
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:16,400
he go.

722
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: To school UCLA?

723
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,119
Speaker 1: I think, whoa, that's good. I feel like, you should

724
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:24,159
get a guess a player.

725
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,679
Speaker 2: Point, I said, I think, I don't know. It's probably

726
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,239
like he also didn't go to college. I think if

727
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,880
I could, if I could assist you. The real defining

728
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,519
features for this guy are the like eleven teams, which

729
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:38,199
when I read that, I was like, seems low. Uh,

730
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,039
and then never more than two years with the team

731
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:45,719
after Whenever this Robinson Christich trade happens.

732
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hate myself. Give me, give me the last clue.

733
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: All right, clue six. I've played over twelve hundred career games,

734
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,840
averaging twenty seven point seven minutes a game, and I

735
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,719
want to ring. I'm the seventh oldest player in the

736
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,159
NBA currently he's still out there.

737
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: Why don't I fucking know who this is? Uh? Jeff Green?

738
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,039
Speaker 2: Oh bang, got it?

739
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: You went to Georgetown?

740
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Greg Monroe. That was the other one. I

741
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,639
was like, he played. I forget where Monroe was drafted.

742
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,239
It was also really high, and I remember thinking, like

743
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:22,599
I thought, Greg Monroe is gonna be really good.

744
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:25,639
Speaker 1: Honestly, I had no idea he went to Georgetown. I

745
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:28,000
think that audit might have brought me further away from that.

746
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,519
Speaker 2: Well, I hope that's right, unless if it's not right,

747
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,559
I don't remember anything because it's like, oh, he played

748
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,679
there with Greg Monroe. I remember like a specific play

749
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:37,960
where Monroe like made a cool back door pass to

750
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:38,960
him and he dunked it.

751
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna tell you right now whether Jeff Green

752
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,119
went to Georgetown or if you did, you purposely leave

753
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,440
me astray. But it turns out he went to Georgetown. Okay,

754
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,760
all right, I have one for you. This one's also

755
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,960
from Mike. I think we oh, we did this one.

756
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,480
You didn't get it. I was very mad. You remember

757
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,840
the Robert Covington debacle.

758
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,639
Speaker 2: That's how it'll be known forever, is as the debacle.

759
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: Okay, clue number one. I was drafted in round one

760
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:04,840
of twenty fourteen.

761
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: But who is I gotta be able to name a

762
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,400
twenty fourteen draft d u or can I? God, I'm

763
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:21,159
so bad at draft specific draft years. Um mum uh.

764
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:24,559
It's tough when the poor Harrison Barnes.

765
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: No, that is incorrect.

766
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's the right draft year.

767
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think it is. What Barns

768
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,719
drafted maybe twelve the Warriors. Van Yeah, No, I told you.

769
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: I'm terrible at the draft years thing.

770
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: He was drafted in the twenty twelve draft.

771
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,599
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh then let me guess again twenty fourteen.

772
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: Do you is it tougher or easier when you don't

773
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,079
have a draft range, Like if they said he was

774
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,119
drafted like top five overall or something in twenty fourteen,

775
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,840
is that better or worse than Uh?

776
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,079
Speaker 2: Well, it would be better because I could just guess

777
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,159
guys I know were drafted high and like somewhere. So

778
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,800
like I can't remember, for example, like was Anthony Bennett

779
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,119
twenty fourteen or was he like twenty thirteen?

780
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: For yeah, think Betta draft was twenty thirteen, I believe.

781
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's after that. See, I just like if

782
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,000
you started naming players from that draft, I could name

783
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,559
you like fifteen guys probably, but I can't zero in

784
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,360
on that specific year for some reason.

785
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,119
Speaker 1: Well, I did kind of give you a bonus clue.

786
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,079
He's not He was not a top five pick in

787
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,360
the draft. He was in the first round. Now you

788
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,840
know he was in one of those final twenty five picks.

789
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: Okay, great, all right, Yeah, I am not gonna I

790
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,280
need more information because I sucked really bad at just

791
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,079
knowing the draft class without like I need, I need

792
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:43,760
like prompts.

793
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: Clue number two. The next five players who were drafted

794
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,079
behind me are all out of the league. For comparison

795
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:53,639
between the selections of Zach Lavine and myself, only one

796
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,840
player is still in the league. So drafted after Zack

797
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,320
Lavine is what we know now.

798
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: And there's only okay, so somewhere from six to thirty

799
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,159
in the first round of twenty fourteen. But after Zach Lavine,

800
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,440
who I also can't remember where he was drafted now,

801
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,280
Oh I actually I remember where he was too, like eight,

802
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,000
I think I want to say eight. Could be wrong

803
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:16,519
about that.

804
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: You're more, you're more, you're less in the ball.

805
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,519
Speaker 2: But okay, uh drafted in twenty fourteen after Zach Lavine.

806
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Everybody a bunch of guys after him. Oh wait, he said,

807
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,480
the five guys drafted after me after this player. Yes, okay,

808
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,760
so we've zeroed in. He can't be twenty seventh or

809
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,719
later exactly there, he's got.

810
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,599
Speaker 1: To be six to twenty six, six to five days.

811
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: Nine, six to twenty six, Yeah, six to twenty five.

812
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,400
But after Zach.

813
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: Technically they could be taught like it spills into it

814
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,559
could spill into the second round. So really good. It's true.

815
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:58,119
Speaker 2: You're right I fail. If this was a logic problem,

816
00:38:58,159 --> 00:38:59,639
I would have failed it because I got one of

817
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:05,599
the rules is wrong. Let's see Zach Lavine draft. God

818
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:09,519
damn it, uh, Buddy Healed.

819
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: That is incorrect.

820
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: I like that, guess though, I don't know if that's

821
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,079
the right draft.

822
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,039
Speaker 1: I'll look after I give you a clue.

823
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I'm not prompting you to look it up.

824
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,159
Speaker 1: I just clue number three. I was drafted by the

825
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:22,800
Bulls but never played for them.

826
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's fun.

827
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,639
Speaker 1: Also, this was decidedly not the Buddy Heel draft.

828
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right. Buddy Hill was drafted in eighteen ninety

829
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:37,360
four because he's super old. That's the joke. Drafted by

830
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:43,039
the Bulls but didn't play for them. But man, I

831
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:45,000
feel like we're trending towards the Covington I think Mike

832
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,239
just has my number for I just can't think of

833
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,400
this has gotta be like an well known player. It's

834
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,199
not that long ago.

835
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:56,079
Speaker 1: I would say you will definitely get it on the

836
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:56,719
last clue.

837
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: If you don't, I just gotta think of Bulls draftees

838
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:10,360
that they traded. I guess uh.

839
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:12,119
Speaker 1: Honestly, I totally forgot that this play was drafted by football.

840
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: Oh good, that makes me feel better. All right, let's

841
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,199
just do the next clue.

842
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:19,559
Speaker 1: Then clue number four, and there's there's eight clues.

843
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:20,079
Speaker 2: Great.

844
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: All of my career accolades are from my college days,

845
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,679
where I was all big ten in all defense in

846
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,840
my sophomore.

847
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: Year, All big ten all defense was not a one

848
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:39,440
and done. God, why is this so hard?

849
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: This is based off the clues so far. You would

850
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,800
really just have to have a knowledge of who was

851
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,880
drafted in twenty fourteen to have gotten it.

852
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,599
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, which I which I clearly don't.

853
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: Actually, of all the players you've named, I'm not even

854
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,559
sure if any one of them from this draft.

855
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: I'm just really good at not knowing. Did I like

856
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,719
blackout for all of June of twenty fourteen? Let's see,

857
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,280
I mean my kid was like three months old at

858
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,599
the time of that draft.

859
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,519
Speaker 1: So I retroactively blaming the children.

860
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it can't be my fault. Yeah, let's have

861
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,559
another clue please.

862
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,079
Speaker 1: That would bring us to clue number were on clue

863
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,760
five as a rookie I was awful. In fact, that

864
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,440
might be an improvement. I played fifty five games, starting six,

865
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,880
averaging three points on thirty percent shooting from the field

866
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,519
and twenty percent from deep.

867
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: And so this then we've established did not play for

868
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,960
the Bulls. So it's not like it's not Bobby portis

869
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,440
it is not Bobby Porter. He did play for the Bulls.

870
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,800
He punched I'm just gonna say things I know because

871
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,119
I don't know. He punched Nicole Miritich. Remember that.

872
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: You remember that he also, just as a fun fact,

873
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,679
was also not a member of the twenty fourteen draft.

874
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: Can we just make the game, grant, can you name

875
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,920
a single person that's not Zach Levine from the twenty

876
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,679
fourteen draft? Aaron Gordon?

877
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,079
Speaker 1: I feel like that should be a bonus question after

878
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,239
this one, which it'd be really funny if we played

879
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,519
that game right now and you named the player who

880
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:10,239
this was?

881
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: It was Aaron Gordon in twenty fourteen.

882
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: He was out on Aaron Gordon draft, not.

883
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: Five though, probably uh oh nope. He was also too high.

884
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,960
And now now I'm getting there. Victor Oladipot, he didn't play,

885
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,480
wasn't drafted by the Bulls. Probably not in that draft.

886
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,440
Uh was a Big ten player.

887
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,519
Speaker 1: Though, that wasn't the victor. You had Aaron Gordon. And

888
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:33,159
then you start naming another rule.

889
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,679
Speaker 2: I don't have a guess. Let's I don't even remember

890
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:39,400
the last clue, so let's read the next one.

891
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Clue six. The next year as a sophomore, then I

892
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,719
averaged twelve a night, shooting thirty five percent from three

893
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,320
and forty seven percent overall.

894
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 2: Thirty seven forty seven was all defense in the Big Ten.

895
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,360
We don't even know what position though yet.

896
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,639
Speaker 1: Dewey, Huh, you're about to get on the next clue.

897
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:00,599
You're going to get a hint. You're gonna get a

898
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:01,760
clue when the next clue is to what?

899
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 2: Okay, great? I keep thinking of the Bulls now, which

900
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:11,440
is not helpful. But that's the only team we've we've mentioned,

901
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,280
and all we know is that he did not play

902
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,760
for the Bulls. We don't have any other team information.

903
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,440
Big ten, twenty fourteen. This everybody's like screaming right now

904
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:22,840
that they know who it is.

905
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: Honestly, I guess if you have, if you're a Bulls

906
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,280
fan and you know what happened like with their pick

907
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,519
that year, then sure.

908
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: But okay, God, so they did something dumb. Probably, although

909
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,199
this guy doesn't sound that great so far, I'll take

910
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,119
the next clue. I'm no closer.

911
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:42,559
Speaker 1: Clue number seven. I peaked in year four, averaging seventeen

912
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,440
point five points a night on incredibly efficient shooting while

913
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,280
also being a three and deep prototype.

914
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,559
Speaker 2: Three and deep Proto type twenty fourteen, not a bull

915
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:08,000
Big ten, Let's see Michigan, Indiana, Michigan State, be Purdue,

916
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,679
Penn State. Who else was in the Big ten? Iowa, Wisconsin.

917
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,079
If I just named the college and you don't know

918
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:18,679
who it is, it's I don't feel like I can

919
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,719
read your face. Were always getting warmer.

920
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: Uh, you're just naming. I don't even think anyone from

921
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:24,800
Wisconsin was drafted.

922
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,599
Speaker 2: Probably not Northwestern, probably not Purdue, probably not Penn State.

923
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:37,480
A feeling like a Michigan State, maybe Michigan. Uh three

924
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:42,320
and d wing. I just like I'm did you think

925
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,039
I was gonna get it on that clue? No?

926
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:45,679
Speaker 1: I think it's the next one, and then I have

927
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,639
like some other ones that I think would work.

928
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 2: If you don't all right, give me, then give me

929
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,840
the last one. Let's put the pressure on Clue eight.

930
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: In my seventh season. I was traded at the deadline

931
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,199
to Orlando where I still play?

932
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: WHOA still play? Is it Gary Harris?

933
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: That is correct?

934
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: Where did he go to Michigan State?

935
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: He did? When you said Michigan State, I was wondering

936
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,440
if you were gonna pull that guess out?

937
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:12,599
Speaker 2: Oh, man I had.

938
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,559
Speaker 1: I was traded with the Bulls traded it was him

939
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,440
ended up being use of Nurkics and I think the

940
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:22,880
number fifty three pick in twenty fifteen, uh for Doug

941
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,239
McDermott and Anthony Randolph. Was that trade?

942
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:29,039
Speaker 2: No recollection? He was drafted by the Bulls like zero.

943
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:33,039
Speaker 1: Now, I like vaguely remember that trade. I just forgot

944
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:35,000
that it was like a draft thing. I guess. I

945
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:35,599
don't know, but.

946
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: If you if the clue had been I'm the first

947
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,880
guy that Grant was tricked into thinking was really good

948
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,679
because he played with NICOLEA. Jokic.

949
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,599
Speaker 1: Gary Harris, do you remember there was a lot Remember

950
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,360
Chris Herring had an article at then five thirty eight

951
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,719
that was like, is Gary Harris the next Kawhi Leonard?

952
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: Oh?

953
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: That's how high people were on him and Chris Herring's

954
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:57,679
Chris Chris Herring.

955
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,159
Speaker 2: No, the thing is, that's how great we didn't know

956
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:03,159
Jokic was Jokic yet because it was like, man, Gary Harris,

957
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:04,960
just how is he always so open on these.

958
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: Packs lifting up Yokic's assist numbers?

959
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he really it's Gary Harris really knows

960
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:13,320
where to be, like what great court sense. And it's like, no,

961
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,159
he's just playing with the best passer alive. Little little

962
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,599
we know. All right, Okay, glad to get it even

963
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,360
though it took a long time. Thank you, Mike. All Right,

964
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,000
I have one for you, Dan from KHS. I believe

965
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:28,559
this is a guest of player debut clue number one.

966
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:32,280
I am a Canadian who was drafted in the mid

967
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,119
twenty tens.

968
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,199
Speaker 1: The mid twenty tens, so that means like we're talking

969
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:44,119
twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty fourteen area. Sure who was good?

970
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:49,159
Speaker 2: Good job? You really dialed it in the mid Andrew Wiggins.

971
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,320
Good guess not Andrew Wiggins. This is also sorry Mike.

972
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,280
This this is the same player that Mike submitted a

973
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,559
guess a player for Uh, so we're trying to spread

974
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,079
the wealth. Weird coincidence or is it?

975
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: Oh? If I don't get it. You could just go

976
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,239
into Mike's clue. Ok.

977
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: Well, we use Mike's clues as backups. Yeah, clue number two.

978
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,679
After helping my college to reach the Final four in

979
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,840
my freshman year, I declared for the draft and was

980
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,480
selected in the first round.

981
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you read that back one more time, please.

982
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: So basically made it to the Final four as a

983
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,960
freshman and was a first round pick in the mid

984
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,440
twenty tens. Just think back to the mid twenty tens

985
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,920
final fours that we paid such close attention to.

986
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: So, who is Canadian that might have been drafted around

987
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,360
that time. Let's say, if they were drafted in the

988
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,280
mid twenty tens, they should still be in the league

989
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,920
if they were any good? Should they not? Yes, So

990
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:44,920
I'm gonna say it's not. I'm pretty confident that it's

991
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,360
not Shake Guilders, Alexander.

992
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: It is not Shake Guilders Alexander. Lou Dort, it's not

993
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:52,920
lou Dort.

994
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,159
Speaker 1: Good.

995
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,199
Speaker 2: You're doing really well with the Canadians, though.

996
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: I just say RJ Barrett, even though he probably should

997
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:58,760
say r J.

998
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 2: Barrett, it's not rje Verit. I'm surprised it took you

999
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,480
that long. To say him. Okay, clue number three. More

1000
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:07,920
than three teammates entered the draft with me in the

1001
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,519
same year, and two of them were selected ahead of me.

1002
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,440
So one college had three guys in the first round

1003
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,960
and two of them went ahead of this guy that

1004
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:23,840
same draft year, and he was the only Canadian. I mean,

1005
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,119
I'm gonna assume yes.

1006
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,079
Speaker 1: So I feel like, could they have just come out

1007
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,760
of Kentucky and could I start naming players who went

1008
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,119
to Kentucky? But shake Jill Jolexander did even he went

1009
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:39,880
to Kentucky, right, He's the only one that I remember

1010
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,559
that's Canadian that.

1011
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: Went to Kentucky.

1012
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:46,599
Speaker 1: I don't think I have this. This is gonna Bob Well.

1013
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:48,480
I mean, let me see who I know went to Kentucky.

1014
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: Tyler Ewlis Nope, not Tyler Eulis. Next clue please, okay,

1015
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:59,719
clue number four. In the first two years of my career,

1016
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,880
I own started in thirty seven of my one hundred

1017
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,519
and fifty one games played, averaging less than seventeen minutes

1018
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:06,000
per game.

1019
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks, No, again, really, the Canadians have been in here.

1020
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,280
This is ridiculous.

1021
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,199
Speaker 2: You've named us a large percentage of them. So far.

1022
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,119
Let's see, I'm trying to think if there if there's

1023
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:19,960
a certain clue.

1024
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,039
Speaker 1: Wait, oh wait, he's not Canadian. Chris Bouchet is not Canadian?

1025
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:24,320
Is he?

1026
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's I don't know, it's not Chris Bouchet.

1027
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:34,719
Damn I think he is because he's the only like Canadian.

1028
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,639
Speaker 1: Or is he just played for the Raptors so long

1029
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:37,880
that we've decided that he's.

1030
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: Isn't he the only Canadian that won a title with

1031
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,239
Toronto or something? Isn't it something like that? Like I

1032
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,039
don't know, it's there's something weird like that.

1033
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's from Saint Lucia.

1034
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not a Canadian territory.

1035
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: More underrated nicknames that I think we should use more.

1036
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,800
He is swaterboy.

1037
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: It's not the swater boy. It's just swater water boys.

1038
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,840
It's like the Facebook. All right, let's see where are we? Oh?

1039
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:08,719
Are you ready for clue five? Yeah? After the second

1040
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,400
season ended, I was traded. After my second season ended,

1041
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,920
I was traded on draft day to another team in

1042
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,719
the same conference for a lottery pick in the draft

1043
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,360
who was superb in his rookie season but somehow did

1044
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,400
not win Rookie of the Year. I need to clarify that.

1045
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:29,000
I believe the clue is saying he just I would

1046
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,599
focus on traded on draft Day to another team in

1047
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:36,719
the same conference for a lottery pick who was because Yeah,

1048
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,880
I remember this guy being traded on draft Day for

1049
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:45,199
another draft D and that draft D that he was

1050
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,960
traded for was awesome but didn't win Rookie of the Year.

1051
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,159
Speaker 1: Should he have won Rookie of the Year?

1052
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: M A lot of people would say, yes, I feel like.

1053
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,639
Speaker 1: That should narrow it down, and yet it's somehow does

1054
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:06,559
not What were the controvert Rookie of the year finishes? There? No, no,

1055
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:10,039
the year the person he was traded for was controversial,

1056
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,119
did not of them not winning Rookie of ye A lot.

1057
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:15,599
Speaker 2: Of yeah, A lot of people would have said, am

1058
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:17,760
I just giving you information that's not in the clue? No,

1059
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,800
he says that, Yeah, the guy he was, the guy,

1060
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,679
the player you're supposed to guess was traded for, was

1061
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,719
in fact superb in his rookie season and somehow did

1062
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,840
not win Rookie of the Year. M.

1063
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Give me the next clue. I feel

1064
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:35,159
like I should have known it on that one clue six.

1065
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: After I finished my rookie contract, I signed a two

1066
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,559
year contract with a perennial playoff team in the West.

1067
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:43,400
But I didn't play a single playoff game. There don't

1068
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,719
remember who that was coming.

1069
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: Over a rookie deal, signed a two year contract. This

1070
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:56,039
person couldn't have been very good. Okay, reasoning perennial playoff team.

1071
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:58,920
That could be the Spurs.

1072
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:05,079
Speaker 2: But who oh man, I can't wait to discuss this

1073
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:05,920
after you get it.

1074
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:11,519
Speaker 1: There's been this mid two thousands. Oh man, I got nothing.

1075
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: Still? Is there a right cluse seven? You've got two

1076
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:18,000
more after this one cluse seven. I then joined an

1077
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,320
Eastern Conference team and was moved at the deadline in

1078
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,880
a four team trade that featured Sergebacca and Dante DiVincenzo.

1079
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: Uh, okay, that's I know the teams now, Well, the

1080
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,760
Bucks and the Kings are involved. I shouldn't say that.

1081
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,519
I don't like I know that the Bucks and the

1082
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,840
Kings are with a clipper somehow involved in that one.

1083
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,440
I've not named any perennial playoff teams though, of those

1084
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,360
three is the problem?

1085
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 2: Uh?

1086
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,559
Speaker 1: I was involved? Give me that back one more time.

1087
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: So yeah. I then joined an Eastern Conference team and

1088
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,480
was moved at the deadline in a four team trade

1089
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:56,239
that featured Sergebacca and Dante DiVincenzo.

1090
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:03,119
Speaker 1: So he's not necessarily coming from the Bucks. M Oh

1091
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:07,960
my god, this is bad. And he say it was

1092
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,599
traded to the Eastern Conference.

1093
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:14,199
Speaker 2: Uh, it does not say that. It says I joined

1094
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:16,320
an Eastern Conference team and was moved.

1095
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: Well, that could still that be, could still be.

1096
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:23,199
Speaker 2: It doesn't specify whether he went which conference he ended

1097
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,519
up in upon being moved.

1098
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: I do not have this one. Hit me with the

1099
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:26,840
next one.

1100
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: All right, this will help uh on my next team,

1101
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:33,000
by which it means, like the team that he was

1102
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:36,639
traded for in the aforementioned trade, which I'm still playing for.

1103
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,400
I serve as a backup stretch big shooting thirty six

1104
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:47,119
percent from three.

1105
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: On my next team, which they're still playing for. So

1106
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,719
this is the next team that like. This is the

1107
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,599
team he was traded to, This is.

1108
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: The team he wound up on as part of the

1109
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,920
deal that featured Abaca and de Vincenzo. I'm nine percent

1110
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,360
sure that's what the question. That's what the clue means.

1111
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: And now he's a stretch big shooting thirty six percent

1112
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,400
from three. Why the hell do I know?

1113
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:12,199
Speaker 2: A backup stretch, Big.

1114
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: Backup stretch Big? Who's like, because that happened a couple

1115
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:20,840
of years ago, so they're still with this team. They're

1116
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,679
a backup stretch. Oh no, oh no oh, that was exciting.

1117
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,079
I was gonna say, go go Pitase. But that's not

1118
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:31,239
a backup stretch Big. That's that's a bad one.

1119
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:34,079
Speaker 2: I mean, people thought he was gonna be that for

1120
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:35,280
a minute.

1121
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,039
Speaker 1: So now they're a backup stretch Big. They were traded,

1122
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:43,320
so they put like, there's that list is so short, Like,

1123
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,760
that's not I should know this.

1124
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get it on the final clue

1125
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:54,360
because you're just you're, you're all. You've been all over

1126
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,920
it this whole time. It's like I've got to hold back. Okay,

1127
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,079
Clue number nine, ninth final. In the twenty two to

1128
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:05,920
twenty three season, I played my first playoff series since

1129
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,079
my rookie contract ended and played seven games against the

1130
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:17,320
defending NBA champion. So who's who's the deft?

1131
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, wait, in I'm sorry. The season was

1132
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,199
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty.

1133
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: Three, correct.

1134
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: They played seven games against the Warriors. Then, because we're

1135
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,920
talking about the twenty twenty three playoffs, the only team

1136
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,000
that pushed the Warriors to seven games that year was

1137
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,760
that the Kings. Was the only team that pushed that

1138
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:36,119
the war The twenty twenty two Warriors beat the Kings.

1139
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,039
They eventually beat the Celtics, but they didn't do that

1140
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:42,000
in seven Who else did they beat that year?

1141
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:48,079
Speaker 2: So he played? So this guy played against the defending

1142
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:51,920
champion Warrior? Correct, Warriors in the twenty three playoffs?

1143
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: And can you read that, clueber? Are they saying that

1144
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:56,800
series went to seven games and they made seven playoff

1145
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:57,519
appearances and.

1146
00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 2: That it's so? It says in twenty two, twenty three,

1147
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,360
I played my first playoff series since my rookie contract ended,

1148
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,800
because remember he was on a perennial playoff team on

1149
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:11,679
his rookie contract, right, uh and and played seven games

1150
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,719
against the defending NBA champion.

1151
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, so I know they were moved to the West

1152
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:25,920
in that Bucks trade. Now, oh, no.

1153
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: Trey Lyles, correct? So the good job the instances in

1154
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:38,360
which you were all over it Kentucky? Correct? What was

1155
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,920
the other one? There was a Oh? So you're like,

1156
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,119
what would have been a controversial Rookie of the Year pick.

1157
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:47,159
So the guy he's traded for is Donovan Mitchell, who

1158
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:49,079
lost Rookie of the Year to Ben Simmons, who was

1159
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,360
not a rookie. And there was like that T shirt

1160
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,400
of like remember the shirts. I forget who wore it

1161
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:58,679
or something, but like Mitchell was pissed off because this

1162
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,239
was simmons second year an he won rookie.

1163
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: Built an entire campaign around it.

1164
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, that was a whole thing, which I

1165
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,239
didn't remember until just this moment. And then you were

1166
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,639
all over the de Vincenzo Obaca trade. Just you named

1167
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:17,280
the teams correctly. There was at least one other one

1168
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,280
I can't remember now. I was like, oh, he's gonna

1169
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,320
get it right now.

1170
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,199
Speaker 1: I got annoyed. I feel like I should have known

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who else was involved in that trade, but I forgot

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because it was like a four team trade, and I

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forgot aside from Milwaukee and Sacramento, the other teams that

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were included in that trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and oh and you said San Antonio is

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the perennial playoff contender, which is right because Trey Lyles

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was on the Spurs for a minute.

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Speaker 1: I totally told like I just blacked Trey Lyles being

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on this person. Not something I would have remembered it

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all though.

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Speaker 2: I will never forget that draft night trade. I think

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I forget what I was having to right, but it

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was like I was like, it was pretty good, pretty

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good get getting Trey Lyles for this Mitchell guy. He

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might be undersized. I don't know if he's gonna be

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just like I thought that was a fair trade, the

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Denver Utah deal, because I was like, Mitchell Mitchell may

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or may not be anything. Turns out he was.

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Speaker 1: I thought one of those like sliding doors moments is

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the what what if you.

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Speaker 2: Know gets get Donovan Mitchell? What are we talking about today?

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Speaker 1: Like how because what year was the Donovan Mitchell draft?

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That was two thousand and twelve? Thirty twelve?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look who you're asking? I couldn't get. It's

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like when did it be?

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Speaker 1: You know what college he went to?

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Speaker 2: It might have been fourteen, fourteen or fifteen, because because

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for Simmons to be a year in we're in like

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firm process era right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh he was twenty seventeen. That was the Mitchell draft.

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Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ, that was way off.

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Speaker 1: And because so him and Jamal Murray was taken the

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year before, That's right, and so they would have had

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Jamal Murray and Donovan Mitchell. Do either of those players

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become who they are if they're on the same team.

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Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, because we just discussed how Gary Harris was

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awesome because they had Jokich, they would be both, they'd

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both be Donald Mitchell would be better. How about that?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a asked the Nuggets would

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have traded Jokic then? Know why the future is this?

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Because they blossomed sooner than like you knew Donovan Mitchell

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was that dude before you knew that about Jokic.

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Speaker 2: That's true. But like I think Jokic just shows up

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in practice one day and they're like, oh boy, look

1215
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look what we got here.

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Speaker 1: It would be undeniable with his jug of sprite or

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whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah, he'd be fine.

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Speaker 1: Uh that's all the time we have for with the guests.

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We're gonna do more. But this took us in about

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an hour, So shout out toy.

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Speaker 2: Can I give you some waltonisms from oh yes, micro,

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go ahead, all right, Dan, who's Bill Walton talking about?

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And that is why fans will be rushing to the

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voters booth to vote Blank the starting center for this

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year's All Star Game. Chris Cayman, DeMarcus Cousins, greg Oaster

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tag A, Donald Foyle or Michael Olowa Kandi.

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Speaker 1: Who was the first one? Chris came, I'm gonna say,

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Chris Cayman.

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Speaker 2: You're incorrect. It is obviously Michael ola Kandi number seven

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01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,000
if general rule of if it's a walton Ism and

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Olia Kandy is involved, you should probably just pick all

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01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,320
over Kandy. Uh number seven or I don't know why

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01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,880
you need to know the number quote. As good a

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career as Blank had, his career is pretty tragic. With

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his talent, he should have been the unstoppable force in

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01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:30,039
the NBA. Rodney Rogers, Jeff mckinnis keon dueling, Wang ju

1238
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:36,920
Ju or Rick Brunson Key on dueling incorrect Rodney Rogers

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01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:43,440
obviously uh, Next and final. He even flew in his hairdresser, Celeste.

1240
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So not only does Blank look pretty, he's looking to

1241
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:51,840
play pretty tonight. Kobe Bryant, Chris Weber, Luke Walton Curveball,

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there Germaine O'Neil or Corlis Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I feel like two of those guys didn't really have

1244
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:02,400
much hair. Kobe did it, point damn it? So the

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Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe Luke Walton. Who are the other two?

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01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: Weber, Corlis Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, Chris Webber, Oh, it was a.

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01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: Jermaine O'Neill, I mean you aired in a suit. I

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01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,559
mean it did in fact turn out because he had

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01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:21,400
like like very elaborate braids, but like it could have

1251
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,119
just been a bald guy and it's like, oh, yeah,

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01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:24,800
Bill Walton doesn't see hair.

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01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: He was the only one of those players you name

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01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,840
that had braids too. And now it feels like you

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01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,599
would be something that you would fly in the hair addresser.

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Speaker 2: This is the thing. You can have a perfectly logical

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01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,320
answer to a Bill Walton thing, and then it's like

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01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,840
you're never gonna guess that one, right. Thanks Mike, that's

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,440
gonna do it. Thanks everybody for submitting your guest players,

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01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,480
uh and for the Walton isms. Always appreciated. We miss

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01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:52,920
Bill Walton around here. Great review. Subscribe. Make sure you

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01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,599
are checking this out on YouTube or or if you're

1263
01:01:56,599 --> 01:01:58,679
listening to it. Just please tell your friends, tell your enemies.

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01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:00,519
Give us a thumbs up, leave us a calm, Tell

1265
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:03,480
us which clue we should have gotten these on also helpful?

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Speaker 1: I think I nominate my last one is by that

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01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:09,119
one should have been gotten way earlier than it was.

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Speaker 2: Look, what is guess a player if not an opportunity

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for us to regret and just wallow in self. Thanks,

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everybody shouts franklo Keen. Apologies, Jared Allen