Speaker 1: What these up pellas Echo's Omnian Valley, joined by my
certify fantabulous co host mister Grant Hughes his post Born
of Time. Memphis Grizzlies have fallen like we all excid
bit to the Oklahoma City thunder, and now it's time
to talk about their future. Grand Are you ready to
dig in?
Speaker 2: I'm ready to uh to decide if the Memphis Grizzlies
as we know them get to continue to exist? Is
that what we're here to talk about.
Speaker 1: It's very existential and foreboding and spot on. So we
have to start with just where exactly do they go
from here? Let's look at someone just really quickly relay
it to you from your watching on YouTube. It's on
the screen. They're heading into the off season. They can
get to a little more than seven million dollars in
cap space without making any other moves. That is with
Santi Aldama's eleven point nine million dollar restricted free agency
hold does not include a hold for Lukenard, though that's big.
Obviously we all Lukenard to get him max deal. Jared
Jackson Junior's contract situation is interesting. He in all likelihood
will be eligible for a five year three hundred and
forty five million dollars max extension. If not, because the
Grizzlies can get cap space, they can do what is
called the renegotiate and extend. What that will effectively do
Grant correct me if I make this too complex. They
can bump up his salary for next season and then
they can extend him one hundred and forty percent give
him one hundred and forty percent raise off that number. So,
as an example, because he's making twenty four million or
whatever it is, let's say they bump him up to
thirty million next year. He gets that immediate pay increase,
and now they can extend him moving forward for a
starting salary at forty two point six million dollars, still
not his max, but way more palatable to sign an
extension like in the first year of his deal. None
of that might matter, though, because our guests would be
if they're not announced as you're listening to this, he's
going to make all MBA right and qualify for that
super PointX.
Speaker 2: We both had him there. I think I think he's
deserved it based on his play this season. So yeah,
that he's gonna be eligible for whether or not he
gets it, I think is one of the most fascinating
questions of any team's offseason. For that five year, big, big, big, big,
big contract.
Speaker 1: You don't have to get the like we saw Rudy
Gobert did not sign for he got he was super
max eligible, but did not get the full supermax. But
you're still looking at it in terms of are we
committing even thirty percent of the salary cap over the
next x amount of years to this player? And that's like,
that's not an insignificant commitment to make to someone who,
as good as he is, he's never looked like a
number one offensive option. We saw him have limitations in
the series against this thunder. But I think, like, I
don't even know where do you start with this team
when evaluating them. Grant it's like, okay, cap space, if
they have it, it's only to renegotiate and extend Jared
Jackson Hery because seven million bucks you'd rather operate over
the cap, use the full non tax player midlevel. So
you're kind of looking at trades, right if you're gonna
upgrade this team in any meaningful.
Speaker 2: Way, how And then the subsequent question, yes, you're right,
how do you make trades to improve on the margins
with the salaries they have on the books, Like, is
that possible or do you have to start looking at
moving bigger pieces?
Speaker 1: I guess you could. They still have draft equity even
though they gave away this year's first round pick to
offload the Marcus Smart contract. But to your point, Brandon
Clark is their fourth highest paid player next season right now.
Maybe that becomes Santi Aldama at some point, but like
that's they're not gonna trade him in that scenario. John
Contra at six point two million is their fifth highest
paid player. And so if you stack their contracts on
top of each other, you're not in big time player territory.
You're in, Oh could we get I'm just throwing names
around the price, Like you're in Anthony Simon's territory, who
they don't need to be clear, you're in DeAndre Hunter?
Like that's the type of is that? Because if you're
not looking at that grant, aren't we effectively asking is
it time to bust up the big three?
Speaker 2: So this is the central question, I think, and and
we'll get to because you're better at this stuff than
I am. Like, who's the right kind of fit or
what might some trades look like, I think you have that.
That's the threshold question is is the job Bayine Morant
or job Baine and Morant, So there's that's that's two people.
Is the Jackson Baine Morant trio good enough to keep
intact and go forward saying we just need to, like tinker,
we need to improve on the margins I think we get.
I'll just say I you can, and you can plead
guilds here innocent if you want. But I think I
find it too easy to say this core isn't good enough,
both in this case and like generally, because like good
enough I think means like we think they could win
a championship, and that's a super high bar, especially for
a small market team where that just isn't always the goal.
So normally I would say, like, yeah, it's pretty clear
that this team has real flaws. These three guys are
already You've already paid all three of these guys, like
you're one, two, and three, Like you can't like who
you know, there's not someone you're gonna bring in from
the outside. You just explain like the trade restrictions salary wise,
like you can't bring someone in that makes more than
one of these three guys, especially if Jackson gets the
new deal, whichever form that takes. Like, these are your
top three players. So normally you'd say, like, well, clearly
they're not good enough. They you know, had to fight
to get into the playoffs to begin with. There's the
jaw off court stuff. There's the jaw durability stuff. There's
Baine being like maybe topped out already. There's Jackson you know,
being good. But like we said, like you said, not
number one option.
Speaker 1: All that stuff was at Game one he had more
turnovers three than defensive rebounds zero against the Funder.
Speaker 2: You've had a coaching change too, So like there's all
these things you normally would say, like, all right, this
is this has run its course. I think given their
ages and given the commitments you've already made the twenty five,
twenty five and twenty six, given the restrictions you have,
given the fact that like you're either gonna go forward
with Thomas is Silo or find someone else to coach
this team, I kind of think you got to give
it another year.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I Like I came to that today because before that
I was like, not good enough.
Speaker 1: Blow it up.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like trying to catch myself and be
a little more level headed about it, cause don't don't
you think Like I guess the counter argument is like
we have enough information, and maybe that's right, but I
just think, like, practically speaking, if you blow this up,
you're it's like you're gonna be bad for for several years, probably.
Speaker 1: Because you don't trade a member of the Big Three
and get better. But I don't think, well, I think actually,
I think it comes down to, yes, I know they
have Jalen Wells was injured, but he was not winning
them the Thunder series. That's still the type. It's not
the Jaln Wells type of player. But when you look
at the makeup of this roster, I think that between
using Jaron at the five and just having Zach Edy
for sure, it's you look at it and it's still
like the three, like the combo forward wing area where
it's you need to get a higher end option there,
and if you believe that higher end option needs to
be a star, that's I think where you get into
kind of the well do we bust up the Big
three things? But if you think this team could be
good enough, because I'm with you, and I don't I'm
guilty of it. I will say this team is not
good enough as currently constructed. They're they're so deep as
we saw, but that unraveled a little bit in the
regular season, and I think we've also kind of seen
they're not playoff deep either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but I think that could change. I think
organically because I think given there in the ages of
the best three players they have, it's possible that Jackson
is this good or slightly better next year. I think
it's possible that Moran and beaying same thing we've seen
morent be better than this. Now we can get into
the like that I can't stop ever talking about the
like the life spent the prime lifespan of a player
like Morant who just had another massive fall in that series,
Like that's scary. Uh. But you also you mentioned Edie
and you mentioned Wells, Like those are two rookies that
played like major minutes this year. I think both of them,
the expectations should be that they're better now. They both
are like not super high ceiling guys, and maybe that's
like part of the reason they were you know, they
were drafted like for floors perhaps, but like both those
guys could get a little better. Then that makes it
seem like you don't need a star to get this
team over the hump. They say there's like five incremental
improvements or at least nobody gets worse, And then you're talking,
you know, like that, that's that's why I lean towards like,
we don't need to do anything drastic. But if they're
gonna do something, You're right, it's gotta be someone that
like makes it so that Wells is not so important
to the success of the team, Like that's he's over
like way overstretched for his draft slot and just like
what kind of player he is?
Speaker 1: Now, are you saying that you think they can become
good enough organically without making any type of move to
be what to be like a real contender? Not Oh,
look at how their top five in offensive defense or
two thirds of the regular season more of a real
they're beating good teams. You would pick them to win
a playoffs, like two playoffs.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's it's possible. I don't
know if i'd say it's likely, but I think it's
like it's possible enough that I would go that way
before I start doing like major reconstructions. I think, you know,
does that make that that feels like a cop out,
But it's like the chance is great enough for me
that that's that would sway me towards let's let's see
one more year and maybe it's like, oh, well know
in December like nope, like this this ain't it, But
I think it's worth it to me to see.
Speaker 1: Do you think so? I from your standpoint then, because
I guess I'm honestly undecided still, I'm trying to kind
of talk through it. But based off what you're saying,
if we say that is possible, then doing something like
trading for Dorian Finney Smith as they passed on near
the Terry deadline, or going after DeAndre Hunter if he
became available again as Cleveland goes into the second apron,
or maybe looking at oh, can we just combine salaries
and get Jeremy Grant. Do you think like those would
have to be the types of moves that you could
make and then say we are better enough to hold
ourselves to that bar. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe, And I do think I think specifically so the
Marcus Smart trade was a mistake like that that just
didn't work out for a number of reasons you could.
Speaker 1: Want both the Marcus Mart trades.
Speaker 2: Media which one are you talking about? The first one
is the one I'm talking about specifically when they got
Marcus Smart. But you're right. I also think the target
needs to be an adult in the room. And maybe
that won't matter, but I think that was now that
was maybe the most misguided part of the Marcus Smart
trade is like he left Boston, everybody was like, thank God,
like man, he wouldn't you know, like all the talk,
like he wouldn't shut up? Like he he you Maybe
the Grizzlies just really mischaracterized or like missed on who
they thought he was locker room wise, But I do
think that you need someone like I don't know, it
can't be this guy, but like, man, this team would
get a lot of mileage out of like Jeff Green
just being there, you know, like that that's not the
player they need, that's the thingirement Maybe so you probably
can't get both, but so because you need the guy
that's really gonna play, like Pinney Smith, I think that'd
be fantastic.
Speaker 1: Bring Steven Adams back.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't hate it, I don't hate it
at all, But if you could get you need two things.
If you can get him in one grade, but you
need the like, Okay, this guy takes Jalen Well's spot
in the starting lineup and or closing lineup, and then
you need like at least one sage presence to just
kind of rein in the bullshit, especially if like you're
gonna have a first year coach or you're gonna have
some new coach that doesn't have pre existing relationships with
the stars here who like in that scenario, like you
might just you know, they might just feel like they
don't have to listen to anybody, you know, So you
need you need, Like I think it's such a hack
thing to say, but like there needs to be like
some veteran stuff happening there for like accountability purposes.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't think that's lame. I think that's a
really sailing point. It does kind of bleed in though
to the next part of this, which I'm not necessarily
advocating for, but should trading Jaron Jackson Junior be off
the table now if you're going the new I think, look,
maybe this all starts with John Morant. But I also
for a lot of the stuff you said about jaw,
the durability, specifically the limitation still is a shooter, Yeah,
maybe the shorter window of his prime you can't You
could say, all right, move him. Other teams are gonna
have the same feelings that we're having, and so someone
might be value him more than their grizzlies of like,
are you sure you're getting a haul? But I think
it's easy to say, yeah, of course you would at
least consider trading Jaron if you're gonna tear it down,
But you also have to consider the long term viability
of keeping this team together and so and as I
mentioned before, like how do you get better if you
trade jot Or Because you could just say, well, if
we don't want this top heavy of a payroll, you
move jot Or Bane and kind of reorient the roster.
It's just hard to get better when you do that.
And even if you're not if it's a maybe it's
not a payroll thing, but if we want to balance
out the positional spectrum of how we're divving up. But
you'll be an interesting challenge trade. I don't think this
guy's a good enough shooter like Desmond Baine for Franz
Wagner would be very.
Speaker 2: Enough, that'd be interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could go that route. But let's just
say that's not the that you're not going to the
absolutely nuclear we're tearing it down route knowing how Memphis
operates and how does it also affect Like is Zach
Cleman even safe here? But like if you're the Grizzlies
is moving Jaron Jackson Junior, if he's gonna command what
if he just says, like I want the super Max
otherwise I'm gonna test free agency? Does that need to
be on the table then for you?
Speaker 2: I understand why uh why that might be where where
the thinking would go. But like he just he's he
amstrings you if that is out And the reason you're
shopping him is because you don't want to give him
that deal in any team that acquires him knows it's
on the hook for you know, a one year rental
or they're gonna have to pay the guy, don't you think? Though?
I guess my answer is like you got to think
about it if that's what it comes to. But what
I am kind of persuaded that like Jackson, I think
is certainly still like a positive trade value guy if
he's on the renegotiate and extend. Maybe maybe not at
the five for three forty five the sticker shock. The
raw numbers are like I'm still not adjusted to those,
like cap percentage wise.
Speaker 1: Thirty five percent of the cap is what are we
be on the books for. I don't think he's an
attractive asset at that number because probably not. There's I
feel like there are limitations when maybe this says more
about the personal run up, but there are limitations defensively
with him at the five this year, and just for
as much as he's grown on offense, is this like
do you consider him a number two option type material
on the offensive end? Yet? I mean most to that
than he's ever been. If he's not, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 2: Close, he's close. And I do think that he is
easy to fit around because like you can just play
a Zach Edy type at center, and Jackson's ideal as
like a big you know, a big rover that can
space the floor on offense, you know. So, like I
think he has like pretty broad appeal in ways that
someone like Morant probably doesn't and Baine probably doesn't at
that price point because Bain is just kind of he's
a two uh and he's he's not quite an all star,
and he's paid like an all you know what I mean, Like,
I think Jackson has the most trade value, and I
guess that's also just an argument for why, like, no,
he's the guy to hold on to move the others.
But then the counter is, like you can't get as
much for those others. I don't know. Jackson feels like
someone you could keep around if you were doing a
hard rebuild or a soft one, and it just would
make sense. But like, man, I don't. I think I
don't want to trade him unless it's like five for
three forty five, and then I have to really have
that conversation.
Speaker 1: I think now between John Moran and Desmond Bay, if
you're keeping Jaron Jackson Junior, I'm not necessarily you're obligated
to be competitive, but like you kind of if you're
gonna keep him, and means you're paying him until you are, Yeah,
which if you could, And because I'm not saying it's impossible,
who has or who would it be easier to upgrade
from or change up the look of the roster from
and be better, I guess basically would you rather have,
let's dangle John Moran in trade talks and move forward
with Baine and Jackson as the core that we're trying
to pair this next player with or flip it and
we're putting Baine on the market and we're moving forward
with John Jaron Jackson Junior. And that's what we're trying
to upgrade, like the roster around using Baine as the
trade ship.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I kind of like the thought of
and tell me what you think, Scotti, Pippens your point guard.
Now Baine's still there. Somehow, somehow magically you've moved off
Jaw for zero dollars or what you've traded him for.
You know, I'm just trying to re imagine the reconfigured
version of the Grizzlies that instead of a guy making
Jaws sal instead of Jaw, you have a guy making
Jaws number who's a three or a four that that
like is roughly equivalent, like you know, NBA hierarchy positionally
to Jaw at the at that spot. I don't know
who that is, because Jaw's value right now is like
really hard to pin down, you know what I mean,
Like it's Pippin' Baine. I don't know. We'll just say
player at wing x Jack.
Speaker 1: You know, it would be a wild challenge trade. I
don't know if they would do it. Jahn Moran for
Scoot Henderson and Denny Avdia.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, where do I order my Grizzlies Jersey?
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's like a hard no from Portland's perspective.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I just I'm excited if that
happens from Memphis. Yeah, I don't know. Portland would have
to really love Jaw and decide that Scoot is not
going to be and I think they are not convinced
of either of those things. But you know that that
I think it's an interesting thought experiment, like because Jaw
very much is like he is the poster, He's the
signature Grizzlies player, Like he's the guy, Like he's the
biggest star there. He's reached the highest highs probably in
terms of like best peaks of the three guys that
are the core of that team. But what do they
look like with someone on the wing and Pippin at
the point with Bain and like, I don't know, it's
it's they just feel like a weird, like more stable
like normal team.
Speaker 1: Do you say, is he not good enough to do there.
I think there have to be other stuff involved. But
just because Utah does need a for general of the
future unless you really believe it's Kanta George Isaiah Collier.
If you build something around lowry marketing to Memphis, compair
him with Bain, Scottie Pippen and Karen Jackson Junior, does
that other stuff is included from memphisis perspective. I just
don't know. It's weird because I'm saying other stuff would
need to go to Memphis, because I don't remark his
carter doesn't look to great after this year. You could
talk it up to whatever was, but it doesn't look great.
But I'm also just like, if I'm Utah, I don't
know I want to do that.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one. That's like a couple of kind
of distressed assets. That's I'm into that idea because I
do think you insulate marking in with Jackson and Edie
as just an enormous front court. Marketing marketing offensively can
play the three, and then I think you could probably
get just the sheer size of the front court and
Jackson maybe guard some wings. I guess could or at
least could clean up messes when marketing gets cooked by
like a six seven by by like one of the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one more wonky one please base framework JAW.
I don't know what the other moving pieces are JAW
for Yannis because if he doesn't want to be Milwaukee,
Milwaukee can't get all it's picks back anyway, So maybe
you still want to be competitive. You're then trying to
figure out the Dame situation. But if you're moving Yannis,
I can almost bet that Dame is not sticking around anyway.
And so it's okay, we don't have our picks, but
we still have He's on He's on just his first
max contract still, and then we try and build a
round jaw, and we're getting other picks as part of
that from other teams. So it's we don't have our
own picks, we could still be competitive because we potentially
have this ten pole star as well as I would
assume other draft equity.
Speaker 2: I mean Memphis, that's another one. Memphis is like yes please,
I think, And then the thing.
Speaker 1: I would I would question Giannis and Jared's kind of
a glove like I'm.
Speaker 2: Willing I'd like to see what that looks like, I'm
willing to check it out. You have my attention with
that one, But you're right, like, I don't know about
that one. Wise.
Speaker 1: It's weird this the moral the stories. I think we
agree that they're not gonna go the nuclear out, and
I think it's gonna be easier and it's always easier
fresh off it for them to say go the nuclear out.
But I think the two inflection points would be, is
Jaren going to be okay if you don't want to
give him the super Max? Like is that something you
can then still work out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The other one soon we haven't talked about this, Like,
if they make any moves in the front office, would
that signal to you that, oh, maybe they are open
to going the more nuclear rap?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably, because then it's like you, the new executive
is not tied to guys that he drafted or developed
or is like you know, signed off on or whatever.
That just seems like it generally makes makes that easier,
I guess, although I don't know. That wasn't what I
thought about the Horst extension initially, but you kind of
talked me back around on that one. Do I think
do you think Jackson is gonna be because we all
we're all wringing our hands about like, man, this second
apron and like Boston's gonna have to be the like
the the litmus test for a team's tolerance for how
good can a team be and be super expense Like,
is Jackson maybe gonna be the guy that eligible for
a super Max team in normal circumstances would just do it? Uh,
and this time not gonna happen. And that's just like
the new normal where just because you're eligible for it,
that that's not the bar anymore. Like it has to
be just no brainer, like and it's different than a
rookie extension where it's like you just give it to
Fronz and Kate and Mobile and whatever and how but
it's like and MAXI or no, Maxie didn't get it,
did he? Or did he?
Speaker 1: I can't he got it. He didn't get the extension.
He just what they waited till free.
Speaker 2: But maybe Jackson's the guy where it's like we just
don't just we don't just rubber stamp those anymore, not
in this cap environment, sir.
Speaker 1: That's that's a great point because I think that that's
where we're headed to. Where I think that if you
if it was this summer in Jalen Brown was eligible
for it. Yeah, I think that that becomes a different
conversation than it was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's not just the team's tolerance for or
fear of the second apron. It's the like, Okay, go
out and get go out and go and see what
you can get. Nobody's got money to spend, like you're
just I think that's you know, maybe that's different in
twenty six, but it's like, I think it's just a lot.
It's gonna be. Things are gonna get a little tighter,
I think with some of these extensions, And I think
that's probably a good thing, not for players, but but
for like not having a bunch of teams that can't
do anything, you know, which is where we're sort of
headed college.
Speaker 1: It's a great thing for ownership, but it's probably a
good thing for the fans because it's less likely that
your teams get trapped, get stuck. Coxy Cap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. We're not just rooting
for owners, We're rooting for fan experience.
Speaker 1: And speaking of fan experiences, one of our discord members
asked this, Bryden Uh, there's like a Ja Morant for
Trey Young challenge trade being floated around the Twitter sphere.
This is I saw it before the Ja Morant hip injury.
But like, who is the team that says no to that?
And am I wrong for thinking that it should be Atlanta?
Do you know how I looked at it? Though I
do value Trey Young, I think more as a I
think he's a more dynamic scorer, and he is the
better passer Jaw He's Jow's probably the better defender. But
it's actually close.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter though they're both not good, so like kind.
Speaker 1: Of the turning portfiitos like Treyon's contracts a little bit shorter,
so if you got to like get out of it
like that, That's why I would prefer to have Trey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like, I don't know, Atlanta, I
think they should just do it. I think I think
it should happen. I think both teams.
Speaker 1: They're spacing is already pretty poor and we want to
add like rant and but.
Speaker 2: I don't like, do you could sell like I don't
know how I can't. How much younger is Job than
Trey is like a couple of years I can't. I
can't remember.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's gotta be like two, I think, right, because
Trey is what twenty eight?
Speaker 2: Who's the number in my head?
Speaker 1: Trey is twenty six, So he's younger than I thought,
so they might be closer.
Speaker 2: John five.
Speaker 1: Oh, John Rant's twenty five.
Speaker 2: I think. I'm just don't get Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's twenty five. He was born in August. He'll turn
twenty six in August. Trey turns twenty seven in so
about two years. He turns twenty seven in September. Okay,
I think I would. I think if I was the Grizzlies,
I would make that deal. But then it's like you're
getting more expensive though, because Trey Young is further along
in his MAX contract and then he's coming up on
his other one, and we're talking about, oh you're paying
jarn you like you that. One of the good great
things for the Grizzlies about John Rant is they just
have him under team control for the next three years,
no options, right, anything?
Speaker 2: Right? I mean, yeah, I guess that. I guess that's good.
We'll find out. Yeah, I don't know. Can you promise
me Trey is gonna shoot better than like league average
from three. Ever, again, that would be cool.
Speaker 1: I actually could promise you that because the Grizzlies I
think just have more playmaking than Atlanta had around him
this year. I think that would make it. He was
also dealing with that Achilles injury all year too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's good. Good challenge trades by you.
I mean.
Speaker 1: The Franz and the Gianness ones and what was the
other one? The poorly one came to me in this moment.
I kind of hate it for both teams so much
that I want to see it.
Speaker 2: I I would, Yeah, I don't know if I was
gonna say, oh, I do it if I'm Memphis, but
that's me. I don't know if Memphis actually would.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to do some guess of players? Okay? Uh?
Do you wanna? I can start by riading you some
clues if you are ready. Okay, This one comes from Austin.
Clue number one. Grant I was drafted by an Eastern
Conference team prior to the two thousands, but decided to
play overseas instead for the next several seasons. You don't
have a year here except for prior to the two.
Speaker 2: Thousands, so nineteen. Well, let's see the Pacers have been
an NBA franchise since I don't know when the seventies.
Just overseas guy drafted by the Eastern I mean, should
we just assume it's a Pacer? I always do. I'm
not gonna I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna
anchor to Indiana one shot kill are Vetus Sabonis. Although
I think Portland got his draft rights initially.
Speaker 1: It is not him. He also was not a Pacer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know that I was. I'm not.
He said Eastern Conference team, which is wrong because I
love him to pick somebody else.
Speaker 1: Draws and Petrovitch not him either. I think you already.
I think didn't you get draws on in one like
guess once before?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say yes.
Speaker 1: Are you ready for Clue too?
Speaker 2: Yes? Please?
Speaker 1: I teamed up with another future NBA All Star in college,
Tim Hardaway at utep Oh.
Speaker 2: I feel like I should know this. So wait, he
was drafted What's What's clue one? Drafted by an Eastern
Conference team prior to the two thousands, but went overseas first.
Speaker 1: For the next several seasons, so it goes.
Speaker 2: Overseas for a while, but also played with Hardaway at UTEP.
Speaker 1: Huh not Tim Hardaway junior who went to Michigan. In
case you're off on timelines, No, I I.
Speaker 2: Got, I got the the the original Hardaway.
Speaker 1: Well, just as the foremost college basketball.
Speaker 2: Did you know Tim Hardaway junior went to Michigan or
did they just off the top of your head?
Speaker 1: No, No, I knew that. I knew that one.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I guess yeah, he wasn't he was? He
drafted by the Knicks. Yes, okay, correct, you're correct, you've
you've won. Guess a player.
Speaker 1: We're out of here. I don't think I know.
Speaker 2: I can't name another player on the Hardway UTEP teams,
so he's literally the only player I know went to UTEP.
Speaker 1: Clue three. My basketball jeans have been passed on in
my family as my daughter daughter Kayla won an NCAA
championship and is currently in the w NBA.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a where we got some wide ranging
international basketball college basketball w NBA basketball. Uh, Kyla, I
don't this is embarrassing. I don't know any I don't
know enough about the WNBA to to just rattle off
Kila's h I don't have a guess.
Speaker 1: Clue four. Speaking of family, the year after my draft class,
my Midwest team drafted another player, to which many people
called us the Blank Brothers, despite us having no actual
family relation. Oh okay, I know this team in the
NBA is from the Midwest.
Speaker 2: I'll take I'll give you two guesses. Uh, Antonio Davis,
you got it.
Speaker 1: On Clupe four seven? That was This was a really
good guess of player Austin I thought, yeah, Uh, clue
number five would have been if you didn't care on
include number two. I was a one time All Star
in two thousand and one for the team that drafted me.
I would spend six seasons with this team before heading
further north north out of the country again to play
five more seasons. Clue six. I raked up a career
nine hundred and three games, played, ninety one points, seven
hundred and fifty five rebounds. I will say, if you
got it on that clue, I would have been more
impressed than if you got it on clue four.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, well, it's just in fact it was a pacer,
so I should I should have stayed anchored to that
h seven.
Speaker 1: The final one was I spent six seasons combined with
both Indiana and Toronto.
Speaker 2: Yeah, always preferred Antonio Davis to Dale Davis. Not sure
why of the Davis I liked.
Speaker 1: I like multi syllable first names. Oh that's why I.
Speaker 2: Prefer you hate alliterations too, so that you never had
a chance Dale Davis.
Speaker 1: Did they really call them the Davis brothers though?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do remember that, all right.
Speaker 1: That's just like calling McHale Bridges and Miles Bridges the
Bridges brothers. Except what was the other one? Oh?
Speaker 2: Like, did did Rashid and Ben Wallace ever get called
the Wallace brothers when they were on the Pistons? Probably not?
Speaker 1: I forgot that, I hope.
Speaker 2: So now Wallace's I have one for you that, hopefully
we haven't done yet. I'm not confident in that this
is from Mike Clue number one. I've played for eleven
different teams in my NBA career, only having multiple since
with one team.
Speaker 1: Wait, only having multiples.
Speaker 2: So like, been been on been on a certain team.
Speaker 1: Twice, eleven teams.
Speaker 2: Luke Grittenhauer, you know he was on eleven teams in
one day at the trade deadline a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Drew Gooden.
Speaker 2: Good good attempt good good good journeyman to throw out there.
Clue number two? Wow? Really? Oh yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: I was a top five pick in the mid two thousands.
Speaker 1: Top five pick in the mid two thousands. Should I
just tell you the college knowing that it was, I
could give me the college. I just know it.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure he doesn't give you. I
don't think Mike will be mad if I say the
college was Georgetown.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna help me even a little bit. Yeah, okay,
eleven teams out of Georgetown, top five pick in the middle.
I bet you that probably helped like two thirds of
the people listn't it.
Speaker 2: I won't say anything else.
Speaker 1: I went to Georgetown, I don't. I don't know, all right.
Speaker 2: Clue number three. I spent three and a half years
with the team that drafted me, averaging fourteen point two
points per game. That's tough. That's not gonna be.
Speaker 1: Three and a half years at fourteen point two points
per game. Who feels like a fourteen point two point
per game score that also went to Georgetown? Did Jared
Jefferies go to Georgetown when he was Indiana? And there's
no way he ever averaged fourteen point two points per game?
I think you're good to It's not Mike Sweetney. I'm
just gonna name one player I know went to Jordan.
Speaker 2: No good job though that he did go to Georgetown.
All right, I will read you clue four if you're ready.
Speaker 1: I'm ready this.
Speaker 2: I like you're ran warmer for you here. I was
traded mid season with Nanad Christich for Nate Robinson and
a man more known for being a pundit. Who is that?
Speaker 1: So they're known for being on TV or podcast? I
guess at this point what was the trade it was? Plus?
What was it? NATEO Christis for Nate Robinson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, traded with Christich for Nate Robinson and a man
more known for being a pundit. This one does not
help me, this one. This one would get me farther
from the mark.
Speaker 1: So this wasn't Nate Robinson going to the Knicks because
they drafted him, I believe. So it might have been
the Knicks trading Nate Robinson. M you don't have to
answer that. I'm just trying to work it through.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't even remember another team for Nate Robinson
besides the Knicks.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's all he was.
Speaker 2: Definitely he was on the Warriors for a minute.
Speaker 1: Actually that's too late, though, I I get but they
went to Georgetown. I feel like I should be zeroing
in on that a little bit. Who went to Georgetown.
I know two players who went to Georgetown, Patrick Ewing
and Michael Sweetenne, and I think that's it.
Speaker 2: Alan Iverson went to Georgetown. That's a big one, is it?
Speaker 1: Alan Iverson?
Speaker 2: Be messed up? I just just blew up Mike's Guessa player.
Speaker 1: Hit me with clue what are we on? Five?
Speaker 2: Clue five? There are only six clues, but I have
additional clues I can make up for you. Number five.
I played until twenty fifteen with that team, so wherever
he went with Christich. Since then, I've never played more
than two years with a single franchise, despite the fact,
oh now I know the trade, despite the fact I've
only had two seasons averaging less than eight points a game.
Speaker 1: This guy didn't go to Georgetown.
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 1: Al Harrington?
Speaker 2: No, Al Harrington was a high school guy. I think, well,
now he's a pothead the entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: Please sorry cover him? Despite never act Aaron Aflalo where
he go.
Speaker 2: To school UCLA?
Speaker 1: I think, whoa, that's good. I feel like, you should
get a guess a player.
Speaker 2: Point, I said, I think, I don't know. It's probably
like he also didn't go to college. I think if
I could, if I could assist you. The real defining
features for this guy are the like eleven teams, which
when I read that, I was like, seems low. Uh,
and then never more than two years with the team
after Whenever this Robinson Christich trade happens.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hate myself. Give me, give me the last clue.
Speaker 2: All right, clue six. I've played over twelve hundred career games,
averaging twenty seven point seven minutes a game, and I
want to ring. I'm the seventh oldest player in the
NBA currently he's still out there.
Speaker 1: Why don't I fucking know who this is? Uh? Jeff Green?
Speaker 2: Oh bang, got it?
Speaker 1: You went to Georgetown?
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Greg Monroe. That was the other one. I
was like, he played. I forget where Monroe was drafted.
It was also really high, and I remember thinking, like
I thought, Greg Monroe is gonna be really good.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I had no idea he went to Georgetown. I
think that audit might have brought me further away from that.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope that's right, unless if it's not right,
I don't remember anything because it's like, oh, he played
there with Greg Monroe. I remember like a specific play
where Monroe like made a cool back door pass to
him and he dunked it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna tell you right now whether Jeff Green
went to Georgetown or if you did, you purposely leave
me astray. But it turns out he went to Georgetown. Okay,
all right, I have one for you. This one's also
from Mike. I think we oh, we did this one.
You didn't get it. I was very mad. You remember
the Robert Covington debacle.
Speaker 2: That's how it'll be known forever, is as the debacle.
Speaker 1: Okay, clue number one. I was drafted in round one
of twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: But who is I gotta be able to name a
twenty fourteen draft d u or can I? God, I'm
so bad at draft specific draft years. Um mum uh.
It's tough when the poor Harrison Barnes.
Speaker 1: No, that is incorrect.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's the right draft year.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think it is. What Barns
drafted maybe twelve the Warriors. Van Yeah, No, I told you.
Speaker 2: I'm terrible at the draft years thing.
Speaker 1: He was drafted in the twenty twelve draft.
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh then let me guess again twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Do you is it tougher or easier when you don't
have a draft range, Like if they said he was
drafted like top five overall or something in twenty fourteen,
is that better or worse than Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, it would be better because I could just guess
guys I know were drafted high and like somewhere. So
like I can't remember, for example, like was Anthony Bennett
twenty fourteen or was he like twenty thirteen?
Speaker 1: For yeah, think Betta draft was twenty thirteen, I believe.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's after that. See, I just like if
you started naming players from that draft, I could name
you like fifteen guys probably, but I can't zero in
on that specific year for some reason.
Speaker 1: Well, I did kind of give you a bonus clue.
He's not He was not a top five pick in
the draft. He was in the first round. Now you
know he was in one of those final twenty five picks.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, all right, Yeah, I am not gonna I
need more information because I sucked really bad at just
knowing the draft class without like I need, I need
like prompts.
Speaker 1: Clue number two. The next five players who were drafted
behind me are all out of the league. For comparison
between the selections of Zach Lavine and myself, only one
player is still in the league. So drafted after Zack
Lavine is what we know now.
Speaker 2: And there's only okay, so somewhere from six to thirty
in the first round of twenty fourteen. But after Zach Lavine,
who I also can't remember where he was drafted now,
Oh I actually I remember where he was too, like eight,
I think I want to say eight. Could be wrong
about that.
Speaker 1: You're more, you're more, you're less in the ball.
Speaker 2: But okay, uh drafted in twenty fourteen after Zach Lavine.
Everybody a bunch of guys after him. Oh wait, he said,
the five guys drafted after me after this player. Yes, okay,
so we've zeroed in. He can't be twenty seventh or
later exactly there, he's got.
Speaker 1: To be six to twenty six, six to five days.
Speaker 2: Nine, six to twenty six, Yeah, six to twenty five.
But after Zach.
Speaker 1: Technically they could be taught like it spills into it
could spill into the second round. So really good. It's true.
Speaker 2: You're right I fail. If this was a logic problem,
I would have failed it because I got one of
the rules is wrong. Let's see Zach Lavine draft. God
damn it, uh, Buddy Healed.
Speaker 1: That is incorrect.
Speaker 2: I like that, guess though, I don't know if that's
the right draft.
Speaker 1: I'll look after I give you a clue.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I'm not prompting you to look it up.
Speaker 1: I just clue number three. I was drafted by the
Bulls but never played for them.
Speaker 2: Oh that's fun.
Speaker 1: Also, this was decidedly not the Buddy Heel draft.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right. Buddy Hill was drafted in eighteen ninety
four because he's super old. That's the joke. Drafted by
the Bulls but didn't play for them. But man, I
feel like we're trending towards the Covington I think Mike
just has my number for I just can't think of
this has gotta be like an well known player. It's
not that long ago.
Speaker 1: I would say you will definitely get it on the
last clue.
Speaker 2: If you don't, I just gotta think of Bulls draftees
that they traded. I guess uh.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I totally forgot that this play was drafted by football.
Speaker 2: Oh good, that makes me feel better. All right, let's
just do the next clue.
Speaker 1: Then clue number four, and there's there's eight clues.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: All of my career accolades are from my college days,
where I was all big ten in all defense in
my sophomore.
Speaker 2: Year, All big ten all defense was not a one
and done. God, why is this so hard?
Speaker 1: This is based off the clues so far. You would
really just have to have a knowledge of who was
drafted in twenty fourteen to have gotten it.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, which I which I clearly don't.
Speaker 1: Actually, of all the players you've named, I'm not even
sure if any one of them from this draft.
Speaker 2: I'm just really good at not knowing. Did I like
blackout for all of June of twenty fourteen? Let's see,
I mean my kid was like three months old at
the time of that draft.
Speaker 1: So I retroactively blaming the children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it can't be my fault. Yeah, let's have
another clue please.
Speaker 1: That would bring us to clue number were on clue
five as a rookie I was awful. In fact, that
might be an improvement. I played fifty five games, starting six,
averaging three points on thirty percent shooting from the field
and twenty percent from deep.
Speaker 2: And so this then we've established did not play for
the Bulls. So it's not like it's not Bobby portis
it is not Bobby Porter. He did play for the Bulls.
He punched I'm just gonna say things I know because
I don't know. He punched Nicole Miritich. Remember that.
Speaker 1: You remember that he also, just as a fun fact,
was also not a member of the twenty fourteen draft.
Speaker 2: Can we just make the game, grant, can you name
a single person that's not Zach Levine from the twenty
fourteen draft? Aaron Gordon?
Speaker 1: I feel like that should be a bonus question after
this one, which it'd be really funny if we played
that game right now and you named the player who
this was?
Speaker 2: It was Aaron Gordon in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: He was out on Aaron Gordon draft, not.
Speaker 2: Five though, probably uh oh nope. He was also too high.
And now now I'm getting there. Victor Oladipot, he didn't play,
wasn't drafted by the Bulls. Probably not in that draft.
Uh was a Big ten player.
Speaker 1: Though, that wasn't the victor. You had Aaron Gordon. And
then you start naming another rule.
Speaker 2: I don't have a guess. Let's I don't even remember
the last clue, so let's read the next one.
Speaker 1: Clue six. The next year as a sophomore, then I
averaged twelve a night, shooting thirty five percent from three
and forty seven percent overall.
Speaker 2: Thirty seven forty seven was all defense in the Big Ten.
We don't even know what position though yet.
Speaker 1: Dewey, Huh, you're about to get on the next clue.
You're going to get a hint. You're gonna get a
clue when the next clue is to what?
Speaker 2: Okay, great? I keep thinking of the Bulls now, which
is not helpful. But that's the only team we've we've mentioned,
and all we know is that he did not play
for the Bulls. We don't have any other team information.
Big ten, twenty fourteen. This everybody's like screaming right now
that they know who it is.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I guess if you have, if you're a Bulls
fan and you know what happened like with their pick
that year, then sure.
Speaker 2: But okay, God, so they did something dumb. Probably, although
this guy doesn't sound that great so far, I'll take
the next clue. I'm no closer.
Speaker 1: Clue number seven. I peaked in year four, averaging seventeen
point five points a night on incredibly efficient shooting while
also being a three and deep prototype.
Speaker 2: Three and deep Proto type twenty fourteen, not a bull
Big ten, Let's see Michigan, Indiana, Michigan State, be Purdue,
Penn State. Who else was in the Big ten? Iowa, Wisconsin.
If I just named the college and you don't know
who it is, it's I don't feel like I can
read your face. Were always getting warmer.
Speaker 1: Uh, you're just naming. I don't even think anyone from
Wisconsin was drafted.
Speaker 2: Probably not Northwestern, probably not Purdue, probably not Penn State.
A feeling like a Michigan State, maybe Michigan. Uh three
and d wing. I just like I'm did you think
I was gonna get it on that clue? No?
Speaker 1: I think it's the next one, and then I have
like some other ones that I think would work.
Speaker 2: If you don't all right, give me, then give me
the last one. Let's put the pressure on Clue eight.
Speaker 1: In my seventh season. I was traded at the deadline
to Orlando where I still play?
Speaker 2: WHOA still play? Is it Gary Harris?
Speaker 1: That is correct?
Speaker 2: Where did he go to Michigan State?
Speaker 1: He did? When you said Michigan State, I was wondering
if you were gonna pull that guess out?
Speaker 2: Oh, man I had.
Speaker 1: I was traded with the Bulls traded it was him
ended up being use of Nurkics and I think the
number fifty three pick in twenty fifteen, uh for Doug
McDermott and Anthony Randolph. Was that trade?
Speaker 2: No recollection? He was drafted by the Bulls like zero.
Speaker 1: Now, I like vaguely remember that trade. I just forgot
that it was like a draft thing. I guess. I
don't know, but.
Speaker 2: If you if the clue had been I'm the first
guy that Grant was tricked into thinking was really good
because he played with NICOLEA. Jokic.
Speaker 1: Gary Harris, do you remember there was a lot Remember
Chris Herring had an article at then five thirty eight
that was like, is Gary Harris the next Kawhi Leonard?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: That's how high people were on him and Chris Herring's
Chris Chris Herring.
Speaker 2: No, the thing is, that's how great we didn't know
Jokic was Jokic yet because it was like, man, Gary Harris,
just how is he always so open on these.
Speaker 1: Packs lifting up Yokic's assist numbers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he really it's Gary Harris really knows
where to be, like what great court sense. And it's like, no,
he's just playing with the best passer alive. Little little
we know. All right, Okay, glad to get it even
though it took a long time. Thank you, Mike. All Right,
I have one for you, Dan from KHS. I believe
this is a guest of player debut clue number one.
I am a Canadian who was drafted in the mid
twenty tens.
Speaker 1: The mid twenty tens, so that means like we're talking
twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty fourteen area. Sure who was good?
Speaker 2: Good job? You really dialed it in the mid Andrew Wiggins.
Good guess not Andrew Wiggins. This is also sorry Mike.
This this is the same player that Mike submitted a
guess a player for Uh, so we're trying to spread
the wealth. Weird coincidence or is it?
Speaker 1: Oh? If I don't get it. You could just go
into Mike's clue. Ok.
Speaker 2: Well, we use Mike's clues as backups. Yeah, clue number two.
After helping my college to reach the Final four in
my freshman year, I declared for the draft and was
selected in the first round.
Speaker 1: Okay, you read that back one more time, please.
Speaker 2: So basically made it to the Final four as a
freshman and was a first round pick in the mid
twenty tens. Just think back to the mid twenty tens
final fours that we paid such close attention to.
Speaker 1: So, who is Canadian that might have been drafted around
that time. Let's say, if they were drafted in the
mid twenty tens, they should still be in the league
if they were any good? Should they not? Yes, So
I'm gonna say it's not. I'm pretty confident that it's
not Shake Guilders, Alexander.
Speaker 2: It is not Shake Guilders Alexander. Lou Dort, it's not
lou Dort.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: You're doing really well with the Canadians, though.
Speaker 1: I just say RJ Barrett, even though he probably should
say r J.
Speaker 2: Barrett, it's not rje Verit. I'm surprised it took you
that long. To say him. Okay, clue number three. More
than three teammates entered the draft with me in the
same year, and two of them were selected ahead of me.
So one college had three guys in the first round
and two of them went ahead of this guy that
same draft year, and he was the only Canadian. I mean,
I'm gonna assume yes.
Speaker 1: So I feel like, could they have just come out
of Kentucky and could I start naming players who went
to Kentucky? But shake Jill Jolexander did even he went
to Kentucky, right, He's the only one that I remember
that's Canadian that.
Speaker 2: Went to Kentucky.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have this. This is gonna Bob Well.
I mean, let me see who I know went to Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Tyler Ewlis Nope, not Tyler Eulis. Next clue please, okay,
clue number four. In the first two years of my career,
I own started in thirty seven of my one hundred
and fifty one games played, averaging less than seventeen minutes
per game.
Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks, No, again, really, the Canadians have been in here.
This is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: You've named us a large percentage of them. So far.
Let's see, I'm trying to think if there if there's
a certain clue.
Speaker 1: Wait, oh wait, he's not Canadian. Chris Bouchet is not Canadian?
Is he?
Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's I don't know, it's not Chris Bouchet.
Damn I think he is because he's the only like Canadian.
Speaker 1: Or is he just played for the Raptors so long
that we've decided that he's.
Speaker 2: Isn't he the only Canadian that won a title with
Toronto or something? Isn't it something like that? Like I
don't know, it's there's something weird like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's from Saint Lucia.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not a Canadian territory.
Speaker 1: More underrated nicknames that I think we should use more.
He is swaterboy.
Speaker 2: It's not the swater boy. It's just swater water boys.
It's like the Facebook. All right, let's see where are we? Oh?
Are you ready for clue five? Yeah? After the second
season ended, I was traded. After my second season ended,
I was traded on draft day to another team in
the same conference for a lottery pick in the draft
who was superb in his rookie season but somehow did
not win Rookie of the Year. I need to clarify that.
I believe the clue is saying he just I would
focus on traded on draft Day to another team in
the same conference for a lottery pick who was because Yeah,
I remember this guy being traded on draft Day for
another draft D and that draft D that he was
traded for was awesome but didn't win Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: Should he have won Rookie of the Year?
Speaker 2: M A lot of people would say, yes, I feel like.
Speaker 1: That should narrow it down, and yet it's somehow does
not What were the controvert Rookie of the year finishes? There? No, no,
the year the person he was traded for was controversial,
did not of them not winning Rookie of ye A lot.
Speaker 2: Of yeah, A lot of people would have said, am
I just giving you information that's not in the clue? No,
he says that, Yeah, the guy he was, the guy,
the player you're supposed to guess was traded for, was
in fact superb in his rookie season and somehow did
not win Rookie of the Year. M.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Give me the next clue. I feel
like I should have known it on that one clue six.
Speaker 2: After I finished my rookie contract, I signed a two
year contract with a perennial playoff team in the West.
But I didn't play a single playoff game. There don't
remember who that was coming.
Speaker 1: Over a rookie deal, signed a two year contract. This
person couldn't have been very good. Okay, reasoning perennial playoff team.
That could be the Spurs.
Speaker 2: But who oh man, I can't wait to discuss this
after you get it.
Speaker 1: There's been this mid two thousands. Oh man, I got nothing.
Speaker 2: Still? Is there a right cluse seven? You've got two
more after this one cluse seven. I then joined an
Eastern Conference team and was moved at the deadline in
a four team trade that featured Sergebacca and Dante DiVincenzo.
Speaker 1: Uh, okay, that's I know the teams now, Well, the
Bucks and the Kings are involved. I shouldn't say that.
I don't like I know that the Bucks and the
Kings are with a clipper somehow involved in that one.
I've not named any perennial playoff teams though, of those
three is the problem?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I was involved? Give me that back one more time.
Speaker 2: So yeah. I then joined an Eastern Conference team and
was moved at the deadline in a four team trade
that featured Sergebacca and Dante DiVincenzo.
Speaker 1: So he's not necessarily coming from the Bucks. M Oh
my god, this is bad. And he say it was
traded to the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 2: Uh, it does not say that. It says I joined
an Eastern Conference team and was moved.
Speaker 1: Well, that could still that be, could still be.
Speaker 2: It doesn't specify whether he went which conference he ended
up in upon being moved.
Speaker 1: I do not have this one. Hit me with the
next one.
Speaker 2: All right, this will help uh on my next team,
by which it means, like the team that he was
traded for in the aforementioned trade, which I'm still playing for.
I serve as a backup stretch big shooting thirty six
percent from three.
Speaker 1: On my next team, which they're still playing for. So
this is the next team that like. This is the
team he was traded to, This is.
Speaker 2: The team he wound up on as part of the
deal that featured Abaca and de Vincenzo. I'm nine percent
sure that's what the question. That's what the clue means.
Speaker 1: And now he's a stretch big shooting thirty six percent
from three. Why the hell do I know?
Speaker 2: A backup stretch, Big.
Speaker 1: Backup stretch Big? Who's like, because that happened a couple
of years ago, so they're still with this team. They're
a backup stretch. Oh no, oh no oh, that was exciting.
I was gonna say, go go Pitase. But that's not
a backup stretch Big. That's that's a bad one.
Speaker 2: I mean, people thought he was gonna be that for
a minute.
Speaker 1: So now they're a backup stretch Big. They were traded,
so they put like, there's that list is so short, Like,
that's not I should know this.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get it on the final clue
because you're just you're, you're all. You've been all over
it this whole time. It's like I've got to hold back. Okay,
Clue number nine, ninth final. In the twenty two to
twenty three season, I played my first playoff series since
my rookie contract ended and played seven games against the
defending NBA champion. So who's who's the deft?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, wait, in I'm sorry. The season was
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Three, correct.
Speaker 1: They played seven games against the Warriors. Then, because we're
talking about the twenty twenty three playoffs, the only team
that pushed the Warriors to seven games that year was
that the Kings. Was the only team that pushed that
the war The twenty twenty two Warriors beat the Kings.
They eventually beat the Celtics, but they didn't do that
in seven Who else did they beat that year?
Speaker 2: So he played? So this guy played against the defending
champion Warrior? Correct, Warriors in the twenty three playoffs?
Speaker 1: And can you read that, clueber? Are they saying that
series went to seven games and they made seven playoff
appearances and.
Speaker 2: That it's so? It says in twenty two, twenty three,
I played my first playoff series since my rookie contract ended,
because remember he was on a perennial playoff team on
his rookie contract, right, uh and and played seven games
against the defending NBA champion.
Speaker 1: Well, so I know they were moved to the West
in that Bucks trade. Now, oh, no.
Speaker 2: Trey Lyles, correct? So the good job the instances in
which you were all over it Kentucky? Correct? What was
the other one? There was a Oh? So you're like,
what would have been a controversial Rookie of the Year pick.
So the guy he's traded for is Donovan Mitchell, who
lost Rookie of the Year to Ben Simmons, who was
not a rookie. And there was like that T shirt
of like remember the shirts. I forget who wore it
or something, but like Mitchell was pissed off because this
was simmons second year an he won rookie.
Speaker 1: Built an entire campaign around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah, that was a whole thing, which I
didn't remember until just this moment. And then you were
all over the de Vincenzo Obaca trade. Just you named
the teams correctly. There was at least one other one
I can't remember now. I was like, oh, he's gonna
get it right now.
Speaker 1: I got annoyed. I feel like I should have known
who else was involved in that trade, but I forgot
because it was like a four team trade, and I
forgot aside from Milwaukee and Sacramento, the other teams that
were included in that trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and oh and you said San Antonio is
the perennial playoff contender, which is right because Trey Lyles
was on the Spurs for a minute.
Speaker 1: I totally told like I just blacked Trey Lyles being
on this person. Not something I would have remembered it
all though.
Speaker 2: I will never forget that draft night trade. I think
I forget what I was having to right, but it
was like I was like, it was pretty good, pretty
good get getting Trey Lyles for this Mitchell guy. He
might be undersized. I don't know if he's gonna be
just like I thought that was a fair trade, the
Denver Utah deal, because I was like, Mitchell Mitchell may
or may not be anything. Turns out he was.
Speaker 1: I thought one of those like sliding doors moments is
the what what if you.
Speaker 2: Know gets get Donovan Mitchell? What are we talking about today?
Speaker 1: Like how because what year was the Donovan Mitchell draft?
That was two thousand and twelve? Thirty twelve?
Speaker 2: I mean, look who you're asking? I couldn't get. It's
like when did it be?
Speaker 1: You know what college he went to?
Speaker 2: It might have been fourteen, fourteen or fifteen, because because
for Simmons to be a year in we're in like
firm process era right now.
Speaker 1: Oh he was twenty seventeen. That was the Mitchell draft.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ, that was way off.
Speaker 1: And because so him and Jamal Murray was taken the
year before, That's right, and so they would have had
Jamal Murray and Donovan Mitchell. Do either of those players
become who they are if they're on the same team.
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, because we just discussed how Gary Harris was
awesome because they had Jokich, they would be both, they'd
both be Donald Mitchell would be better. How about that?
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a asked the Nuggets would
have traded Jokic then? Know why the future is this?
Because they blossomed sooner than like you knew Donovan Mitchell
was that dude before you knew that about Jokic.
Speaker 2: That's true. But like I think Jokic just shows up
in practice one day and they're like, oh boy, look
look what we got here.
Speaker 1: It would be undeniable with his jug of sprite or
whatever it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah, he'd be fine.
Speaker 1: Uh that's all the time we have for with the guests.
We're gonna do more. But this took us in about
an hour, So shout out toy.
Speaker 2: Can I give you some waltonisms from oh yes, micro,
go ahead, all right, Dan, who's Bill Walton talking about?
And that is why fans will be rushing to the
voters booth to vote Blank the starting center for this
year's All Star Game. Chris Cayman, DeMarcus Cousins, greg Oaster
tag A, Donald Foyle or Michael Olowa Kandi.
Speaker 1: Who was the first one? Chris came, I'm gonna say,
Chris Cayman.
Speaker 2: You're incorrect. It is obviously Michael ola Kandi number seven
if general rule of if it's a walton Ism and
Olia Kandy is involved, you should probably just pick all
over Kandy. Uh number seven or I don't know why
you need to know the number quote. As good a
career as Blank had, his career is pretty tragic. With
his talent, he should have been the unstoppable force in
the NBA. Rodney Rogers, Jeff mckinnis keon dueling, Wang ju
Ju or Rick Brunson Key on dueling incorrect Rodney Rogers
obviously uh, Next and final. He even flew in his hairdresser, Celeste.
So not only does Blank look pretty, he's looking to
play pretty tonight. Kobe Bryant, Chris Weber, Luke Walton Curveball,
there Germaine O'Neil or Corlis Williamson.
Speaker 1: I feel like two of those guys didn't really have
much hair. Kobe did it, point damn it? So the
Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe Luke Walton. Who are the other two?
Speaker 2: Weber, Corlis Williamson.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, Chris Webber, Oh, it was a.
Speaker 2: Jermaine O'Neill, I mean you aired in a suit. I
mean it did in fact turn out because he had
like like very elaborate braids, but like it could have
just been a bald guy and it's like, oh, yeah,
Bill Walton doesn't see hair.
Speaker 1: He was the only one of those players you name
that had braids too. And now it feels like you
would be something that you would fly in the hair addresser.
Speaker 2: This is the thing. You can have a perfectly logical
answer to a Bill Walton thing, and then it's like
you're never gonna guess that one, right. Thanks Mike, that's
gonna do it. Thanks everybody for submitting your guest players,
uh and for the Walton isms. Always appreciated. We miss
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