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Yes, in the last segment, I talked to Marvin, 11 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:35,119 call her Marvin, who wanted to know why we weren't 12 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:39,039 deporting houties and I said, but that we had bombed 13 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:42,880 the but Jesus out of them. And Scott says, technically 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,840 the Houties never had any but Jesus in them, so 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,200 they could not have had it bombed out of them. 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,719 That's fair, That is a fair point. Perhaps better to 17 00:00:53,759 --> 00:00:56,600 say they had the bi Allah bomb out of them. 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,280 Just all right, that's true. Last hour we were talking about 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:07,719 trendy Arragua and their connections to the Venezuelan government, as 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,439 explained in the Miami Herald, which did a massive investigation 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,480 based on interviews with a team that has been working 22 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:21,920 in the intelligence community and down in South America with 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,480 the partnership of a lot of these countries, identifying the 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,879 TDA gang members and their connections and their plans which 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,799 were to send like open up the prisons, released like 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,079 twenty thousand people and then tell about thirteen hundred of 27 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:38,680 them that they have they have to leave the state, 28 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:42,120 have to leave the country of Venezuela. And then they 29 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:46,879 also trained about three hundred operatives to go into Trende 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,200 Aragua members to go into America and engage in sabotage, 31 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:55,640 drug running, human trafficking, all of that to bring in 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,280 the money. Venezuela is a communist narco state. 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: Okay. 34 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,359 Speaker 1: I don't understand why people in America, particularly on the left, 35 00:02:04,359 --> 00:02:06,599 people have this idea that everybody is. 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: Just like them. 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: If you did not, if you were not disabused of 38 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:15,599 this idea during the Iraq War and the Afghanistan war. Right, 39 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,599 it is this Western hubris, this idea that our values 40 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,919 are shared by other people, because of course they are. No, 41 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:30,199 that's conceit all, right, they have different values. And that's 42 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,560 not to make a value judgment to say we're better, 43 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,120 you're worse. It's to say they are different, and when 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,599 you are dealing with foreign policy stuff, you have to 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,479 deal with things as they are. This is not me 46 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:46,639 spinning yarns. This is the Miami Herald, for crying out loud, 47 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,120 that did this story, making all of these connections, spelling 48 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:54,800 it all out. And the Intel, a couple of Intel 49 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,759 anonymous sources went to the New York Times and tried 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,000 to tried to get ahead of the story, that's my guess, 51 00:03:01,159 --> 00:03:02,360 tried to get ahead of the story. 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: They knew it was coming. 53 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: They go to the New York Times anonymously and they're like, 54 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,319 we have no connections between We see nothing between Venezuela 55 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:15,400 and TDA. And then two days later, Miami Herald's story publishes. Actually, yes, 56 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:21,680 it's all like they're so interconnected. Again, I'm just giving 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,240 you the story that the Miami Herald reported. Let me 58 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,719 go to the phones here. Let's talk first with Barry. 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,319 Speaker 3: Hello, Barry, what's happening to Pete? 60 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 4: How are you hey? 61 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm all right, how are you good? 62 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: Good to be talking to you. Yeah, a couple of 63 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:40,840 things about you know, Marvin was talking about the flights 64 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,520 out and I'm more curious about I think this is 65 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,000 all ended now, but during the Biden administration, there were 66 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,560 reports of chartered flights coming into the country at weird hours, 67 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,639 Gordon strategic locations with foreign nationals that were not documented, 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,039 and they were just kind of like, well, here you are. 69 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:00,639 Do you want to stay here or do you want 70 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:03,639 to go? Yeah, another city, Welcome to Welcome to America. 71 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: We also remember saw photos that people were taking in 72 00:04:06,639 --> 00:04:12,039 airports of you know, groups of people with boarding passes 73 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:15,719 and certain paperwork, and they would take pictures and post 74 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:19,040 them and like, here's another planeload of people being flown 75 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:19,759 into America. 76 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I didn't know about that. 77 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, we saw We saw the because it 78 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:30,040 was it Bill Malugin, one of the local TV reporters 79 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:33,399 out in Los Angeles, I believe, and he started getting 80 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:37,160 tips and reporting on the bus loads of people that 81 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:39,959 were getting transported around, getting picked up or dropped off 82 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:41,399 at airports and such. 83 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: Or and the the the NGOs, right, the non government 84 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,319 organizations that contributed to or organize these trips, right, they 85 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,600 they orchestrated them, they lined up the resources and all 86 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,560 of that, and those were funded through government programs which 87 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,879 the Trump administration came in and started, uh, you know, 88 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,360 started cutting all of the NGO funding. And this is 89 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:06,319 part of that same operation, I would imagine. 90 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: So it was our tax money on top of that. 91 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, insult to injury. Yeah yeah. 92 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 3: And the other thing. The other question I had was regarding 93 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:20,800 the leader in Venezuela. I remember how we handled and 94 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:23,560 well Noriega is that right in Panama? 95 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:23,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? 96 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, turned out he had he had criminal connections and 97 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:34,120 operatives working working against the you know, it was a 98 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,680 threat to our national security. And it sounds it sounds 99 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,600 pretty much like the same deal. So why don't we 100 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,800 just go getting Well, I mean. 101 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,959 Speaker 1: See that's the thing, like, you know, Trump doesn't want 102 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,319 to go to war. He ran on a you know, 103 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:48,800 no New Wars platform and promise and all of that. 104 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,600 But yeah, I mean, at some point, when you have 105 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:56,560 a foreign nation that is actively you know, sending saboteurs 106 00:05:56,759 --> 00:06:00,160 and terrorists into your country, at some point you get 107 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:04,240 the Taliban treatment, you know, which is yeah, like we'll 108 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,839 come and we'll drop a bunch of bombs on you, 109 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:07,839 and then we'll leave you all of our military. 110 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:12,519 Speaker 2: Equipment when we flee like that. Barry, Yeah, yeah, go ahead. 111 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,800 It doesn't that way, right, Yeah, I do too. I'm 112 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:15,199 just kidding. 113 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:18,879 Speaker 1: I kid, I kid Biden administration, Barry. I appreciate the call, Boddy, 114 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:20,920 thank you. Let me see if I get stand on 115 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:21,360 real quick. 116 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 4: Uh, how are you? I have I have a question 117 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:32,920 for you, And basically it's basically the basic question is 118 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,680 it seems like to me that the argument isn't how 119 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:43,480 we the beast people to judge is saying, is that 120 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:47,480 we can't do something about it because of who sent them. 121 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,199 And so I want to ask a question to Hooty's 122 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,480 Trump just attacked the Hoothies and basically there wasn't a 123 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,040 lot said about the fact that he did this, But 124 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,639 yet the Hootis were basically making it so that we 125 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:02,319 will have to go around Africa and we couldn't use 126 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:08,160 certain navigable waterways. And so basically Trump has the total 127 00:07:08,439 --> 00:07:13,240 a Comma's authority to keep our shipping going through international water. 128 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,519 So we can't use the same logic to stop people 129 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,639 from stabilizing our old country. 130 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:23,639 Speaker 1: Well, I mean yeah I would if you're what are 131 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:25,319 you talking about bombing Venezuela? 132 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:28,759 Speaker 4: Uh? Well no, I no, no, I'm not talking Obamas Venezuela. 133 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:30,920 I'm talking about just getting rid of them. In other words, 134 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,000 we don't have to go down there and destroy Venezuela 135 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,240 as long as they're not threatening our shore or send them. 136 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: By, right. 137 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:40,399 Speaker 1: And so this is the issue that John you writes 138 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:43,360 about over at the National Review. John You you may 139 00:07:43,399 --> 00:07:45,480 recall he worked for the Bush administration. He was a 140 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:49,600 lawyer in the Bush administration. And uh, he takes a 141 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:54,240 look at essentially the powers of the president versus the judiciary. 142 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:56,439 And so I was going to get to this anyway, 143 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,279 So I'll after the break, I'm going to come back 144 00:07:58,279 --> 00:07:59,399 and go down this path. 145 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: And I think you're I think he's going to address 146 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:01,839 your question. 147 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: Well. 148 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 4: And the thing about it is, we always sit here 149 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:07,720 and say, that is a question as to whether Iran 150 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:14,399 controls Hasbala and Hamas. No, yeah, right, no, another word, 151 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:16,360 could we know if a Moss wanted to do something 152 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:17,920 to us? Can we do? We have to stop and 153 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,000 let them do whatever they do because they're just not 154 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:21,399 a nice country state. 155 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,879 Speaker 2: I guess by the logic of this, uh, this judge 156 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:26,560 up in d C. 157 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Maybe so, yeah, if we found a bunch of AMAS 158 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:34,120 terrorists in America, we couldn't ship them back to uh 159 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,200 to the Gaza strip. 160 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: We wouldn't be able to send them. 161 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: Back, right, Yeah, so it doesn't know. This makes sense 162 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:39,559 to me. 163 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it is a DC you know, 164 00:08:42,759 --> 00:08:47,080 Democrat judge, so that does make sense. Yeah, Stan, I 165 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,679 appreciate the call, sir. 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National Review piece by John You and Robert 187 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:05,159 Della Hunty. John Yu is a Distinguished Visiting Professor at 188 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,720 the School of Civic Leadership and a Senior Research Fellow 189 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:11,840 at the Civitas Institute at the University of Texas, and 190 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:14,320 a whole bunch of other things there whatever. Robert Della 191 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,679 Hunty is a fellow at the Claremont Institute's Center for 192 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,279 the American Way of Life. Last week, the Federal Appeals 193 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:22,600 Court in Washington, d c. Agreed to halt the Trump 194 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:28,720 administration's deportation of members of the Venezuelan Trendeiragua gang. While 195 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:32,039 only a temporary order, the two to one decision intrudes 196 00:10:32,039 --> 00:10:35,960 into the province of the elected branches of government over 197 00:10:36,159 --> 00:10:41,720 war and national security. A federal court has never before 198 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,559 overruled the decision of a president or Congress that the 199 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:51,600 United States has suffered an attack or an Invasion's that's 200 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:55,799 the lynch pin here that the executive branch is saying 201 00:10:55,919 --> 00:10:59,759 this is an invasion, and the courts are saying, prove it. Basically, 202 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:04,600 don't believe you. The Department of Justice has petitioned the 203 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,559 Supreme Court for review, which the Court should grant. The 204 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,080 Court should prevent trial judges from interfering with the elected 205 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:20,080 branches authority over war and national security. They write, we 206 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:25,440 are presented with the question of whether the Venezuelans government control, 207 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:31,279 the Venezuelan government's control over Trende Arragua, and whether international 208 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:36,200 criminal activities can constitute a military threat to the national security. 209 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: Right. 210 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,519 Speaker 1: The Russians do this, they call them the Little Green Men, 211 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,759 where they send them over into a region, they create 212 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,000 chaos and havoc like this is a standard blueprint. They 213 00:11:49,039 --> 00:12:00,440 foment instability, they astro turf, public demonstrations. You know, we 214 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,360 are Russian, we want to be back in Russia and 215 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:04,639 all those types of things. And then the Russian's like, well, 216 00:12:04,759 --> 00:12:06,399 I guess we got to come in and take this land, 217 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:12,360 you know. But the question of the government's control over 218 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:18,840 TDA and whether tda's activities constitute a military threat, that 219 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,639 is a different question from whether the federal courts are 220 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,399 the right institution to make that judgment. Okay, so we 221 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:34,240 are presented with this this overt question that Venezuela TDA, 222 00:12:35,159 --> 00:12:36,120 is this an invasion? 223 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: Is it not? 224 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:41,039 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. But the actual question, according to 225 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,159 you is John Yu, not you you, but John you. Anyway, 226 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:50,759 the question is whether the courts are the right institution 227 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,960 to be deciding that judicial review does not extend to 228 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:02,120 every constitutional question. The Supreme Court self has long recognized, 229 00:13:02,159 --> 00:13:06,759 going back to the Founding, that there are certain political 230 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,279 questions which the Constitution itself has committed to the final 231 00:13:12,279 --> 00:13:17,159 decision of the President or the final decision of the Congress, 232 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,080 or which have no legal standards that courts could even apply. 233 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:28,120 So these are three different instances the judiciary cannot review, 234 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:34,639 For example, impeachment right the complete power of impeachment that 235 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:41,639 the Constitution grants is to the Congress. The Supreme Court 236 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:44,720 has also found that the Constitution provides no legal standards 237 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,360 for the judiciary to apply to partisan jerrymandering. We know 238 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,320 about that here in North Carolina, do we not. Everybody 239 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,360 was all outraged on the left and in the media, 240 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,360 but I repeat myself that, oh my gosh, you can't 241 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,240 protect the Democrats, but there's there's no jurisdiction for us 242 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,720 to do so. This is outside of our constitutional realm. 243 00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:10,120 And you're trying to kind of daisy chain these different 244 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,919 arguments together to get us from, you know, one place 245 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,960 where the Constitution doesn't give us the power, to this 246 00:14:17,039 --> 00:14:21,919 point where you want to have the power. In Marve's 247 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,279 Marbury Versus Madison. Oh, before I get to Marbury v. Madisine, 248 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:30,639 the Supreme Court says nothing on the gerrymandering issue. Right, 249 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:35,840 And when the Court recognized these limits to the judicial role, 250 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,759 they were not participating in some sort of dereliction of 251 00:14:38,799 --> 00:14:42,320 their duty. In fact, they were following the law, which 252 00:14:42,559 --> 00:14:43,519 is their duty. 253 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: In the Marbury v. 254 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: Madison case, the very case that first declared the power 255 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:55,600 of judicial review, Chief Justice John Marshall admitted, quote, the 256 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,759 President is invested with certain important political powers, in the 257 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:04,960 exercise of which he is to use his own discretion 258 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:11,519 for his decisions. He is accountable only to his country, 259 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,559 in his political character and to his own conscience. His 260 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:22,080 choices cannot be questioned in court because the subjects are political. 261 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,879 These issues respect the nation, not individual rights. And being 262 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,879 entrusted to the executive, the decision of the executive is conclusive. 263 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,279 One area that the authors write about that has long 264 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,799 sat at the top of this list of political questions 265 00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:47,080 is war. The Constitution vests the President with the role 266 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,679 of commander in chief of the armed forces. While it 267 00:15:49,679 --> 00:15:52,799 gives Congress the power to declare war and to raise 268 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:57,519 and fund the armed forces. The courts have no power 269 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,600 none to direct the Resident in the exercise of his 270 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:04,360 wartime authority. 271 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: None. 272 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:12,679 Speaker 1: The Court has found that the President holds an unreviewable 273 00:16:12,799 --> 00:16:18,879 authority to decide whether an invasion has happened. It goes 274 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:22,279 back to one case, the seventeen ninety five Militia Act 275 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,039 and the seventeen ninety eight Alien Enemies Act, But in 276 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:34,840 JGG versus Trump, the DC Circuit ignored the judiciary's traditional 277 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:40,279 deference on questions of war. Judge Karen Henderson's opinion displayed 278 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,080 little modesty in rejecting the claim that tda's conduct qualified 279 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,840 as an invasion. Based on her review of the history 280 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,919 of the seventeen ninety eight Act, she concluded that in 281 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:58,399 an invasion, quote required far more than an unwonted entry. 282 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:04,319 To constitute an invasion, there had to be hostilities. She 283 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,000 observed that in every instance in the Constitution, in laws 284 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:11,920 and debates of the time, invasion is used in a 285 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,759 military sense, and the same goes she said for predatory incursions. 286 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,960 On this ground alone, the US Supreme Court should grant 287 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,279 emergency review of this case because federal judges do not 288 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,599 have the capability, They do not have the understanding, nor 289 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,680 do they have the access to the information to make 290 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,359 sensitive decisions on whether a foreign actor represents a national 291 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,720 security threat or not. Here's a great idea. How about 292 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:47,039 making an escape to a really special and secluded getaway 293 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:49,519 in western North Carolina. 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So back to the National 314 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:04,319 Review piece, John U and Robert Della Hunting talking about 315 00:19:04,599 --> 00:19:07,920 the legal question involved with whether or not this judge 316 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,599 up in DC and then the three judge panel have 317 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,200 the authority to intervene in foreign affairs, because that's what 318 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:19,200 they are doing, right. These judges cannot judge the harms 319 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,720 that could arise from action that they may take, or 320 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,640 in action that they may take, or action or in 321 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:33,960 action that the president might take. They are ignorant, like 322 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,640 they are ignorant of all of the details, all of 323 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:42,279 the facts. Right, you're dealing with foreign policy, and the 324 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:44,279 president is elected to do that job. 325 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: And now you got a. 326 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: Judge saying, well, I have a clearerce I could look 327 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,799 over your stuff. No you can't, that's not your job. 328 00:19:53,079 --> 00:20:03,160 American courts hear legal disputes governed by formal legal rules 329 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,160 that generally seek to determine whether past conduct by a 330 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,640 defendant has harmed the legal rights of a plaintiff. Courts 331 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:16,279 are not designed to make policy decisions involving probabilities and 332 00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:22,839 risks which are characteristic of war and national security. 333 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: Right, when you get. 334 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:29,759 Speaker 1: That gig as potus, you have to weigh is the 335 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:33,599 juice worth the squeeze? What is the harm? What is 336 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,000 the benefit? What are the costs? Like, all of these 337 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:39,599 things come into the equation. That's why you surround yourself 338 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,720 with all of the different advisors. The judge doesn't have 339 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:46,200 those advisors, they don't have national security teams around them, 340 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,000 and all of the you know, the billions of dollars 341 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,920 worth of agencies and intelligence and such. Analysts and investigators 342 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,599 assert that the Maduro regime in Venezuela has purposely sent 343 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:04,079 TDA trend Aragua to the United States to destabilize our 344 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,119 political system. 345 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: That Venezuela, as. 346 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: I went over last hour, has trained three hundred TDA 347 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,279 members for that work, and it has assumed operational control 348 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:20,359 over this gang. Such judgments lie in the area of 349 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:26,559 prediction and probability characteristic of national security and foreign policy affairs, 350 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,440 not the legal standards of courtroom trials. The courts have 351 00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:35,799 no means to measure and evaluate whether foreign enemies are 352 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:41,160 conducting covert and hybrid attacks on the US right. Let's say, 353 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,480 for example, and I don't know this to be true, 354 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:46,960 but let's just spitball it. Okay, Let's just pretend for 355 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,759 a moment that trend Aarragua, as one of their core tactics, 356 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:57,720 was going out and shooting transformers at substations in order 357 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:01,960 to knock out power to suffe efficiently large enough areas 358 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:09,519 of the American populace, in order to destabilize and demoralize, 359 00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:15,279 to conduct this kind of terroristic activity. What the hell 360 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:20,799 can the judges do about that? Like, honestly, like, what 361 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,480 benefit does that lawyer in a robe bring to the 362 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:31,359 table in this discussion? Nothing? Nothing, You're not involved in 363 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,119 any of the briefings. You're not looking at the intelligence, 364 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,319 you're not vetting the sources and methods and all of 365 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:42,640 that stuff. The administration is tasked with doing that, and 366 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,279 the president is the final decision maker, not the judge. 367 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:51,240 The administration is justified on another ground, by the way, 368 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:56,440 for seeking to maintain the confidentiality of its deliberations, right 369 00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:58,000 when the judges are like, well, you know, if you 370 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,640 want to bring us into this, we could take a 371 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,880 look at you've got Like the judge bo Assberg, that's 372 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,599 what he said. He's like, I got clearage, I can 373 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,839 look at this stuff. No, you're unqualified to do so. 374 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:15,000 Somebody's got a bit of a delusion of grandeur, right. 375 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,480 The administration told the courts that if it were to 376 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:28,839 disclose these sources and such, that would jeopardize its diplomatic 377 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:34,319 efforts in Venezuela, El Salvador, other countries, and it would 378 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,920 risk scuttling delicate international negotiations. 379 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:39,519 Speaker 4: Right. 380 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: There is great harm that can come with disrupting what 381 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,839 the Trump administration is doing. Sending TDA members to detention 382 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:51,279 in El Salvador may have been an essential move in 383 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,519 a high stakes diplomatic game with Venezuela. Like if you're 384 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:58,880 doing that in order to apply pressure on Venezuela, and 385 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,680 you're doing it in order to get closer to El Salvador, 386 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,319 maybe you're doing it in order to show good faith 387 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,680 with El Salvador's neighbors who are also battling TDA, and 388 00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,480 now they want you can use this to get South 389 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,480 American nations closer to us. There is a larger issue 390 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:19,720 at play. The judges are completely ill equipped and unqualified 391 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:23,160 to be a part of that debate and that discussion. 392 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,839 Nobody elected you to your currency, and nobody elected you 393 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:30,599 to be an advisor to the president. 394 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: On this stuff. 395 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,039 Speaker 1: All right, So spring is here a time of renewal 396 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,599 and celebrations. You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries, and the special 397 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,240 days for mom and dad. Your family's making memories that 398 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,359 are going to last a lifetime. But let me ask you, 399 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,759 are all of those treasured moments from days gone by? 400 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,480 Are they hidden away on old VCR tapes, eight millimeter films, 401 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,000 photos slides? Are they preserved? 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The issue is always 423 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:15,079 the revolution. Right, there is a reason why destabilizing America 424 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,799 even if you present and look. I had a call 425 00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:18,839 earlier in the show. He didn't stay on the line, 426 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:22,400 but he told my call screener what he wanted to say. 427 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,000 I don't know if he would have actually said it, 428 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,160 But when I was going over the Miami Herald investigation 429 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,640 based on the work of intelligence agents over a decade 430 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,720 that have connected the Venezuelan government to the SOLS cartel 431 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:43,240 and that they have assumed operational control over Trende Ragua, 432 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:47,839 and our old friend Tony called in and said that 433 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:57,680 Pete's imagination is running wild today. There is a willful ignorance, right, 434 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:06,160 a per full obtuseness, this refusal to accept the information 435 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,519 being presented. I understand skepticism, but I just saw this 436 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:17,119 breaking news. Forty suspected Trendy Iragua gang members and affiliates 437 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,519 were arrested in a massive operation near Austin, Texas. 438 00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: Oh but they're not all Trendi Iragua. 439 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's what that's what the left would say, 440 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,200 right because it Donald Trump has broken so many people's brains. 441 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,519 And when I say that, it means the ability to 442 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,039 think for yourself. Just because Trump says something or is 443 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,480 his administration does something doesn't automatically make it not true. 444 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:47,759 And so this immediate rejection of information because it came 445 00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:50,279 from Trump or on the other side of the spectrum, 446 00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:53,680 people who immediately believe everything he says, even if it 447 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:55,839 was in conflict with what he just said a moment ago. 448 00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:58,440 And they're going back and forth trying to follow his lead, 449 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,960 and they just do not let Donald Trump's speech and 450 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:09,200 actions dictate your own thinking anything anything along those lines, 451 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,680 whether it's super pro Trump and he you know, everything 452 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,200 he says, you agree with and if he says it, it 453 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,200 must be true, versus the other end of that spectrum, 454 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:19,799 where anything he says has to be false. 455 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: That's what I call Trump derangement syndrome. 456 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: It can affect both sides, okay, And for the left, 457 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:36,880 destabilization is the point for a lot of leftists, not liberals, leftists, 458 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:43,079 they want to see America. Dare I say it fundamentally transformed? 459 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,559 You don't do that to a country that you love. 460 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,400 You do not fundamentally transform. 461 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: Anything that you love. Why would you? 462 00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: If you love it, then it is what it is. 463 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,559 And this is the thing not to say. You don't 464 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,480 make improvements. You can't improve things. But if you're talking 465 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:09,200 about fundamentally, that word means something fundamentally, the foundations of it, 466 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,759 the very core of what the thing is, has to 467 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:14,640 be transformed. That means you don't like the core of 468 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,079 what the country is, and a lot of leftists do not. 469 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,480 They hate every aspect of it. I make no apologies 470 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,319 for being anti commie. 471 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,039 Speaker 2: They suck. Okay, communism sucks. 472 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:32,319 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to use the word, but in times like this, 473 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,240 I feel like I have to, and it is warranted. Right, 474 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:39,319 they got one hundred million body bags on them, like 475 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:45,200 they That is an evil and corrupt theology. It is 476 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:50,319 beyond an economic system. It's not it's evil. It is evil. 477 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:57,680 And that's why leftists always connect themselves with other evil 478 00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:07,839 philosophies and ideology and religions they can. For example, why 479 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,359 is it that you see leftists beating the drums literally 480 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:20,480 for Islamists? Doesn't make any sense, right, Gays for Palestine, Like, guys, 481 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:22,599 that's so stupid. Do you understand what happens to you 482 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,880 if you go to Palestine, you go to the gods 483 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,160 of the strip, They're going to fling you off of 484 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,799 a building because you're gay, because the issue isn't the issue. 485 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,960 The issue is the revolution, the revolution against free market 486 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,799 capitalist republics. 487 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: That's the purpose. And we are as you know, they call. 488 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: Us over in the Middle East, we are the great Satan. 489 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720 George Bush was not completely incorrect when he said they 490 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:51,079 hate us for our freedoms. I mean there was an 491 00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:53,200 element of truth to that. Of course, it was said 492 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,160 in the George Bush style, so everybody mocked it and whatever, 493 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,559 but yeah, they because that like that is the opposite 494 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,799 of communism, free markets. The free market is you. The 495 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,359 free market is me making our own decisions. And there 496 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:09,799 are a lot of people that do not want you 497 00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:12,119 to do that because you're going to decide wrong, wrong 498 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,279 being something that they don't agree with. Anyway, back to 499 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:20,759 the piece at the National Review. From the administration's perspective, 500 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,599 the lower courts are meddling in its efforts to extract 501 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,720 important concessions from Venezuela. Venezuela is in a position to 502 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,599 damage US interests in the Caribbean region. 503 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: Did you know that with Cuba? 504 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: China has long been a silent ally of Nicholas Maduro 505 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:48,279 in Venezuela. It's support for him and before him, it 506 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:52,680 was Ugu Chetez, right, it's been indispensable in keeping the 507 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:58,160 Venezuelan dictatorship in power. Are the courts going to weigh 508 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,480 in on all of that? Are the is a judge? 509 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:06,000 Is a DC Circuit judge qualified to be making those 510 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,480 types of foreign policy decisions? All of the different pieces 511 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,480 that are in play and moving around the board. 512 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 2: Does he see all of that? Does he get all 513 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,200 that intel? Do we need him to? 514 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,359 Speaker 1: I guess we need to have bo Asberg sit in 515 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,240 on the daily briefings, right, so he can be completely 516 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:26,400 up to speed on all of the geopolitical problems and 517 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,160 how they all intersect or don't intersect and whatever like. 518 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,480 I guess he needs all of that intel like the 519 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,400 president gets, and then he'll decide the courts should not 520 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:41,079 get entangled in these negotiations, which are exclusively for the 521 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:51,000 executive branch. They also directly concern security in our hemisphere. 522 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:56,720 The founders expect Congress, not the courts, to check any 523 00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:00,960 presidential abuse of war powers. See, but the Left has 524 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,720 gone so far off the rails on this. They're so 525 00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,440 far off of the rails. They look at Trump as 526 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,880 this existential threat and so we can't. We can't restrain 527 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,400 him in Congress because those Republicans won't hold him to account. Okay, right, 528 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,440 so they can't restrain him. We can't do it. 529 00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: So we're going to use the courts. 530 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,119 Speaker 1: And it doesn't really matter to them if you actually 531 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,200 can use the courts or not by law. They're going 532 00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,480 to try, and they've got enough people in the courts 533 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,519 wearing the robes that are going to go along with it, 534 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,559 because it's. 535 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,519 Speaker 2: An existential threat. 536 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: See, when something threatens your very existence, almost anything goes, 537 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,079 you know, And that's where the left is now. They 538 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:49,160 have catastrophized Trump and MAGA and Republicans to such a 539 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,359 degree that almost anything goes. Why do you think we're 540 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:59,160 seeing the attacks on Tesla cars and owners and dealerships 541 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,720 because everything's an existential threat with these people. I mean, yes, 542 00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:05,880 there's some mental illness obviously going on with a lot 543 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,719 of them, but they view it as an existential threat. 544 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,880 So anything goes, even if it means I have to, 545 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,880 you know, blow up a car that was purchased six 546 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,840 years ago by one of my fellow lefties, even if 547 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,639 it means, you know, we got to take some for 548 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:32,079 the team. That's why James Lindsay from New Discourses dot com. 549 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:35,079 You can read his stuff over there and watch his videos, 550 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:41,159 his lectures and all. And James Lindsay actually argued they 551 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,039 mistakenly put him on the wrong team. But he said, 552 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,039 keep me in this position because I'm gonna argue this 553 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,480 point at the Oxford Debates or whatever. And he said, 554 00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,800 and his position was that the question was whether the 555 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,920 left can go too far? And you know, they had 556 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,840 some liberals on one side saying, you know, no, the 557 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,760 left hasn't gone too far, and then conservatives on the 558 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,719 other side saying the left has gone too far. They 559 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,320 mistakenly put James Lindsay on the liberal team. He said, 560 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,000 keep me here. I want to argue this point, and 561 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,880 then he actually did. He argued the point that no, liberals, 562 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,119 the left has not gone too far, because he argued, 563 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,519 there is no too far to go. There is no 564 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:21,599 limiting principle out there, because when you're in pursuit of utopia, 565 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,440 you never achieve it, but you will always be in 566 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,559 pursuit of it. All right, that'll do it for this episode. 567 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. 568 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,199 Speaker 1: I could not do the show without your support and 569 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,960 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 570 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,400 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 571 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,159 them you heard it here. 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