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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening to Pictures Media Radio, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Policy and Rights the Show, US Welcomer Policy, Human Joys.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening everyone. It was good to be here in

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<v Speaker 2>London today. It was important for Canada to be there

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<v Speaker 2>with allies as we discuss the importance of standing united

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<v Speaker 2>in defense of Ukraine and in pushing for a durable

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<v Speaker 2>and lasting piece in Ukraine. We all have important roles

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<v Speaker 2>to play and we've recommitted today to continue to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>In the rules, Prime Mister Stormer mentioned the Coalition of

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<v Speaker 2>the Willing.

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<v Speaker 1>What role will Canada play that coalition?

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<v Speaker 2>Canada has been one of the strongest countries in support

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<v Speaker 2>of Ukraine from the very beginning. For over ten years now,

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<v Speaker 2>we've been training Ukrainian defense forces. We're up to close

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<v Speaker 2>to forty thousand Ukrainian troops that we have trained over

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<v Speaker 2>the years. Were continuing to play a significant role in training,

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<v Speaker 2>as is the UK who is our primary partner in that.

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<v Speaker 2>We've also invested close to twenty billion dollars in supports

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<v Speaker 2>for Ukraine, military, economic, and other and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to be there to support Ukraine as necessary, with

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it takes, for as long as it takes because

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine is not just defending its own territories, defending the

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<v Speaker 2>very principles and values that underpin all of our democracies.

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<v Speaker 2>So as we look at what's going to be necessary

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<v Speaker 2>in the coming years, I can assure you that Canada

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<v Speaker 2>and Canadians will be there.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to policy and rights. Here in Depictions Media Radio,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm your host, Michael Kloggs. As Friday ended, we all

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<v Speaker 3>got word of a fight that happened in the Oval

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<v Speaker 3>office in the White House, or maybe not actually in

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<v Speaker 3>the office itself, but it did happen in the White House,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was after live on American television, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was promptly broadcasted on the White House YouTube channel as

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<v Speaker 3>mister Zelensky was defending himself against bullies in the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 3>It kind of all started with, sadly, with some blogger

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<v Speaker 3>making a comment about mister Zelensky not wearing a suit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty certain that that person making a comment about

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<v Speaker 3>why he doesn't wear a suit was planted there by

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<v Speaker 3>mister Trump in order to demean mister Zelensky and demean

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<v Speaker 3>him as a leader. This is a man that took

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<v Speaker 3>up the torch for Ukraine and is to his country

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<v Speaker 3>against odds that we can't even imagine, with Vladimir Putin

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<v Speaker 3>at the helm of the Russian Federation. The war has

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<v Speaker 3>continued over a number of years, three years to be exact.

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<v Speaker 4>And.

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<v Speaker 3>The Ukrainian soldiers have managed to actually hit territories and

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<v Speaker 3>targets inside the Russian border. They managed to push at

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<v Speaker 3>some point push the Russians back across the border, and

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<v Speaker 3>have defended themselves against innumerable attacks and inhumane acts of

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<v Speaker 3>destruction that were caused by the Russian soldiers. We have

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<v Speaker 3>heard on the on the United from the United Nations,

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<v Speaker 3>the United Nations Security Council about how these are lies

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<v Speaker 3>proposed by the uh Western Powers. In the same conversation

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<v Speaker 3>on the he ultimately turned into Donald Trump saying, either

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<v Speaker 3>either mister Zilinki Zelenski jumps on and signs the deal

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<v Speaker 3>that mister Trump has in front of him, or he

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<v Speaker 3>holds no cards. He is ultimately going to cause World

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<v Speaker 3>War III and the destruction of Ukraine. The only way

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<v Speaker 3>he will have cards is is if he signs the

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<v Speaker 3>deal right there, The only way he would ever have power.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Trump, mister Rubio, and mister Vance tried to demoralize

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<v Speaker 3>a person who stood strong against the bullies and is

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<v Speaker 3>continuing to stand strong and has a history of standing

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<v Speaker 3>strong against bullies, including Vladimir Putin. Mister Trump and his

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<v Speaker 3>married little men displayed on Friday who they truly are

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<v Speaker 3>aligned with, who their true allegiance actually belongs with, and

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<v Speaker 3>it isn't the American people, it is Vladimir Putin. He

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<v Speaker 3>put his cards on the table instead of holding him

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<v Speaker 3>holding them to his chest like he usually does. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>when mister Zelensky left the White House and he got

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<v Speaker 3>to Europe, he was greeted with open arms by the EU.

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<v Speaker 3>And with that being said, you heard already a statement

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<v Speaker 3>from Justin Trudeau as we opened the show saying that

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<v Speaker 3>Canada will stand by Ukraine. Okay, So it's now a

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<v Speaker 3>few days later and mister Trump is still denouncing mister Zelensky,

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<v Speaker 3>saying he is attempting to defame him and by calling

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<v Speaker 3>him different names about and saying of that that his

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<v Speaker 3>truth of the matter is is that mister Trump, by

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<v Speaker 3>laying all of his cards on the table and revealing

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<v Speaker 3>who he's truly aligned with, he opened up the door

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<v Speaker 3>for the European Union to truly open its eyes and

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<v Speaker 3>see that maybe for the next four years, we need

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<v Speaker 3>to keep the United States at a distance. Other former

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<v Speaker 3>presidents have made statements about the display that happened on Friday,

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<v Speaker 3>and it isn't favorable. This isn't about democrats versus Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>any longer. This is about a fascist autocrat trying to

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<v Speaker 3>conquer and take over the American people. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>move forward into the show, and we're gonna hear statements

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<v Speaker 3>from mister povier As and and we're also going to

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<v Speaker 3>hear a interview that was done or a segment of

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<v Speaker 3>the interview that was done in Vancouver, BC by the

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<v Speaker 3>Vancouver Border Trade on Friday about the tariffs and how

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<v Speaker 3>Canada can defend itself against the tariffs and what does

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<v Speaker 3>it what does the tariffs in both of in both

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<v Speaker 3>of their eyes, What do these same tarrors mean to

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<v Speaker 3>the American people? To my American friends that are actually

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<v Speaker 3>listening to this, be warned that if tar go up,

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<v Speaker 3>prices that you pay for a thing, for certain goods

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<v Speaker 3>like to buy are going to go up. Inflation is

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<v Speaker 3>going to go up in America if the tariffs go up.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's a reason why he why mister Trump keeps dangling

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<v Speaker 3>it and then moving the target. He knows because he

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<v Speaker 3>has said several times that he is a businessman, he

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<v Speaker 3>is not a politician, and he knows that if the

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<v Speaker 3>tariffts go up too far, that the prices on the

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<v Speaker 3>shelves through the American people are going to go up.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to cost you more to live because the

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<v Speaker 3>United States cannot be self sustained. It doesn't have enough

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<v Speaker 3>oil and gas. It doesn't have enough lumber, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>have any aluminum to be had within the borders of

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<v Speaker 3>the United States. It's not an existent or it is limited.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows this. He's telling you a story so that

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<v Speaker 3>he gets you on its side. But is that story

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<v Speaker 3>going to truly serve you something to think about as

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<v Speaker 3>we listen to the next two statements from the Canadian

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<v Speaker 3>Minister of Foreign Affairs, and we listen to the opposition

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<v Speaker 3>leadership of the Canadian government with the Conservative Party, mister

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<v Speaker 3>Pierre Polvier, So why don't we get started, listen to

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<v Speaker 3>what they have to say, and think about what mister

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is truly doing and what his economic strategy really

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<v Speaker 3>means to everyone's pocket.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much everyone for being here today. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>in politics to bring home Canada's promise, a very simple promise.

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<v Speaker 4>You work hard, You've got a great life in a

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful house on a safe street, protected by a solid

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<v Speaker 4>border and brave troops under a proud flag. That promise

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<v Speaker 4>has been broken now for several years after the Carney

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<v Speaker 4>true to liberals, doubled housing costs, doubled the national debt,

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<v Speaker 4>doubled food bank lineups, doubled gun crime, pushed half a

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<v Speaker 4>trillion dollars of investment out of Canada to the US,

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<v Speaker 4>and gave us the worst economic growth in the G seven.

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<v Speaker 4>Now they're seeking a fourth term in office, but more

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<v Speaker 4>media lee. On Tuesday, we're faced with yet another possible

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<v Speaker 4>threat of tariffs. Mister Trump, the President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 4>has threatened that tariffs will kick in on Tuesday. We

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if he's going to pull back again, but

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<v Speaker 4>if the tariffs do happen, we must retaliate, and we

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<v Speaker 4>must use the revenues, mostly almost exclusively, to cut taxes

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<v Speaker 4>for Canadian workers and businesses to bolster our economy against

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<v Speaker 4>those tariffs. Regardless of what the President does, though we

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<v Speaker 4>can't rely on him, and we can't rely on the

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<v Speaker 4>Americans anymore. We've learned our lesson from ten years of helplessness.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to take back control of our economy and

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<v Speaker 4>bring home a strong, self reliant and sovereign nation. Simply put,

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<v Speaker 4>we need to bring it home. We must bring home

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<v Speaker 4>our jobs, our resources, our production, our supply chains. We

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<v Speaker 4>must not only harvest our resources, but we must build

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<v Speaker 4>l ANDNG plants and ports that can get those resources

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<v Speaker 4>to over sees markets. That means tax cuts and green

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<v Speaker 4>lighting massive resource projects to bring home our jobs, businesses,

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<v Speaker 4>and money, and to become less dependent on the Americans.

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<v Speaker 4>It means rejecting the radical keep it in the ground

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<v Speaker 4>environmental agenda that Mark Karney has advised on Justin Trudeau

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<v Speaker 4>over the last five years. That is why over a

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<v Speaker 4>month ago, I called on the government two immediately one

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<v Speaker 4>repeal the liberal No New Pipeline's Law C sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 4>a law that is blocked mines, pipelines, power dams, LNG

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<v Speaker 4>plants that would make us more independent from the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>Two immediately convene premiers to remove not talk about removing

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<v Speaker 4>but remove exemptions in the Canadian Free Trade Deal so

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<v Speaker 4>Canadians can trade between provinces. Three pass a bring it

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<v Speaker 4>Home tax cut on work investment, home building, energy, and

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<v Speaker 4>making stuff in Canada. Four Imediately remove red tape and

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<v Speaker 4>taxes to boost home building. Wouldn't it be a wonderful

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<v Speaker 4>way to help our beleaguered lumber business and our loggers

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<v Speaker 4>to start building some homes If we were to ax

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<v Speaker 4>the federal sales tax and get a deal with provinces

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<v Speaker 4>and municipalities to take their taxes off, we could build

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds of thousands of extra homes, creating jobs for our

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<v Speaker 4>tradespeople and boosting demand for our domestic lumber that President

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is threatening and that President Brydon already tariffed. But

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<v Speaker 4>despite asking for all of these things over a month ago,

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<v Speaker 4>nothing has happened. The Liberals have done precisely nothing in

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<v Speaker 4>the last month to make us less reliant on the Americans.

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<v Speaker 4>They shut Parliament so that we were not even able

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<v Speaker 4>to pass any laws or more importantly, repeal the devastating

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<v Speaker 4>laws and taxes that they had originally put in place. Instead,

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<v Speaker 4>Liberals have spent the last three months raising money from

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<v Speaker 4>Mark Kearny and fighting for power within their own party.

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<v Speaker 4>So today, as we speak, the no New Pipeline's loss

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<v Speaker 4>C sixty nine is still in place. All liberal tax

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<v Speaker 4>increases are still in place. Trade barriers within the country

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<v Speaker 4>are still in place. The federal sales tax is still

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<v Speaker 4>in place on new homes. The Carney true to liberal

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<v Speaker 4>policies that have doubled housing costs, doubled food bank use,

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<v Speaker 4>doubled the debt, gave us the worst growth in the

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<v Speaker 4>G seven, and pushed a half trillion dollars out of

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<v Speaker 4>our country to the United States, all still in place,

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<v Speaker 4>speaking and pushing money out of Canada. We know that

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<v Speaker 4>is exactly what Mark Karney did when he backed down

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<v Speaker 4>to Donald Trump. On October twenty sixth, twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump threatened tariffs against Canada to take our jobs.

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<v Speaker 4>Six days later, Mark Karney announced the Brookfield headquarters would

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<v Speaker 4>move from Canada to Trump's hometown of New York City,

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<v Speaker 4>giving Canadian jobs to Americans. And we all know, no

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<v Speaker 4>matter what the corporate big wigs tell you, that when

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<v Speaker 4>the headquarters goes, the jobs and the money will follow.

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<v Speaker 4>Soon after, Mark Karney did exactly what Trump wanted. He

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<v Speaker 4>backed down and sold out our country when Canada was

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<v Speaker 4>under attack. He did it while he was acting as

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<v Speaker 4>Justin Trudeau's economic advisor. When asked why he moved the

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<v Speaker 4>headquarters out of Canada, he said he had nothing to

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<v Speaker 4>do with it, that the decision was made after he

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<v Speaker 4>left the company in January. Yet documents show that the

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<v Speaker 4>decision was made in October of last year at a

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<v Speaker 4>meeting that he chaired, where the decision was unanimous, meaning

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<v Speaker 4>he agreed with it, and then he recommended it in

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<v Speaker 4>quote the decision, the formal decision of the board, happened

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<v Speaker 4>after I ceased to be on the board. Again, the decision,

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<v Speaker 4>the formal decision of the board, happened after I ceased

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<v Speaker 4>in October, three months before Mark Karney left, and he

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<v Speaker 4>you the media. Here, we're here today, Let's digest that

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<v Speaker 4>Are you ever going to believe anything he tells you again?

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<v Speaker 4>Don't you think he should come before you and explain himself.

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<v Speaker 4>Mark Karney has to come before Canadians and explain. He

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<v Speaker 4>not only for lying, but for putting his personal profits

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<v Speaker 4>We will actually confront Putin by displacing his energy dominance

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<v Speaker 4>So that we can bring home powerful paychecks for our

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<v Speaker 4>Are you ready for real common sense change to ax taxes,

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<v Speaker 4>green light big projects, secure our borders and our military,

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<v Speaker 5>As we take our seats, I remind everybody they can

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<v Speaker 5>vote from questions. Minister, we have known each other for

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<v Speaker 5>a long time. I've been in this role five years

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<v Speaker 5>and when your previous portfolio, you were one of the

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<v Speaker 5>to watch you evolve in this role of yours now,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, quite just on a personal note, I

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe we'll just start.

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<v Speaker 5>With a few personal reflections and you can give some

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<v Speaker 5>this precise day in regards to Paris, because it has

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, I'm happy to see you again. You and

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<v Speaker 7>I worked a lot on creating the first economic development agency,

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<v Speaker 7>Pacific n You needed a kibot clause to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 6>That's pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 7>So I was just T telling BRIGANDT beforehand. When when

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<v Speaker 7>twenty one, I was calling different former foreign ministers, and

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<v Speaker 7>I'll call Jean like, okay, so what are your.

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<v Speaker 6>Comments, what are your advice? What do you think? He said?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, Melanie, it's create, it's very prestigious, but you'll

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<v Speaker 6>You know, nothing will happen.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, So I was like, okay, well, thank you. And

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<v Speaker 7>then four months later, uh the war in Ukraine started.

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<v Speaker 7>were the October seventh uh that were in Gaza. I.

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<v Speaker 6>It's you know, the entire Middle East living.

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<v Speaker 7>On UH tensions with with China. We had our own

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<v Speaker 6>Uh the question uh of what is the US.

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<v Speaker 7>Role in the world v you know, the bilateral relationship

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<v Speaker 7>between US and and and them, but also fundamentally, the geopolitical.

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<v Speaker 6>Technomic plates are moving so fast. I'm sorry, yep, are

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<v Speaker 7>Uh it is there's a fear of uh, the the

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<v Speaker 7>make sure that we defend our interests. It's not as

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<v Speaker 7>if the arc of history is just something that we

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<v Speaker 6>But to do so, we need to be organized. And

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<v Speaker 6>so let's talk about the tariffs.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so yesterday.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, let maybe back it up.

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<v Speaker 5>so I don't know if it is changed. So let's

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<v Speaker 5>assume that that tariffs could be imposed on March fourth.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's talk about the Team Canada approach and the efforts

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<v Speaker 5>that your government has undertaken to try to alleviate the

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<v Speaker 5>imposition of these tariffs.

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<v Speaker 7>So there are three executive orders that we have to

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<v Speaker 7>But for President Trump to talk about a date, he

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<v Speaker 7>So the first one we're referred to is the one

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<v Speaker 7>link to the fact that there is a crisis at

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<v Speaker 7>to address the fentanyl issue. So we came up with

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<v Speaker 8>And so when you hear in the media that we're

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<v Speaker 8>talking a lot about border security, it is linked to

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<v Speaker 6>So that's the first executive.

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<v Speaker 7>Order, and to be frank, we came up with a

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<v Speaker 6>Canadians were safe at home.

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<v Speaker 7>Second executive order is linked to steal an aluminum, and

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<v Speaker 7>and it was an executive order that President Biden's also signed,

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<v Speaker 7>but we had an exemption and the European Union had

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<v Speaker 6>So the date for that is March twelfth.

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<v Speaker 7>And then there's a third one and last one which

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<v Speaker 7>is affecting all countries in the world having a trade

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<v Speaker 6>On inauguration Day.

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<v Speaker 7>On January twentieth, President Trump signed an executive order asking

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<v Speaker 7>study all the different reciprocal relationship trade relationships with the US.

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<v Speaker 7>So when you hear reciprocal tariffs, it's linked to that

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<v Speaker 7>executive order. And what the White House wants to do

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<v Speaker 7>single training partners. When they negotiate with US, they don't

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<v Speaker 7>only talk about trade guides. They actually talk about a

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<v Speaker 7>series a flurry of different aspects of different topics. And

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<v Speaker 7>so it is the case for US, but it is

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<v Speaker 7>the case also for many other countries in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>So over the last many weeks, most I would say

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<v Speaker 5>almost all of the cabinet, the federal cabinet, has been

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<v Speaker 5>in Washington, DC. Yourself has been there, my minister, So,

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<v Speaker 5>how successful do you think those discussions are? And I

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<v Speaker 5>hesitate to call them negotiations because it's unclear what the

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<v Speaker 5>end game is, But how do you what's your sense

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<v Speaker 5>on how much progress you're seeing?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so I've been five times to the US Washington

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<v Speaker 7>and Marlago. Uh, and I've had many, many different conversations

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<v Speaker 7>with the Trump administration itself, So Howard Lutnik, who's the

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<v Speaker 7>Commerce Secretary, who's also talking to Minister LeBlanc, who is

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<v Speaker 7>in touch with the White House, but I'm also in

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<v Speaker 7>touch with the Senate, and in the Senate I'm talking

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<v Speaker 7>to Lindsay Graham nearly every day.

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<v Speaker 6>So I just spoke to him this morning.

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<v Speaker 7>About a different subjects, including of course the tariffs. He's

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<v Speaker 7>a he's very close President Trump. He's a Trump whisper,

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<v Speaker 7>as we call it.

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<v Speaker 6>That's it.

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<v Speaker 7>And I've met you know, John Tune, the leader of

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<v Speaker 7>on Capitol Hill, and you know, go on and on

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<v Speaker 7>and on, and I'm talking also to Democrats. That's really

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<v Speaker 7>done a really good job, guys across the country to

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<v Speaker 7>say to the American people and to their leaders that

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<v Speaker 7>tariffs are.

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<v Speaker 6>A really bad idea.

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<v Speaker 7>And the only people on earth that we'll be able

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<v Speaker 7>to push back against President Trump regarding tariffs are Americans themselves.

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<v Speaker 7>And so the good news is is when you see

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<v Speaker 7>all ministers going to Washington, when you see you know,

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<v Speaker 6>It's great.

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<v Speaker 9>But fundamentally, when we buy local, when we decide to

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<v Speaker 9>support Canadian products, when we decide to actually travel across.

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<v Speaker 6>Canada or around the world and not.

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<v Speaker 7>Necessarily travel to the US, we're sending a message. And

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<v Speaker 7>that's the real Team Canada. Because now when you see

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<v Speaker 7>polling in the US, the latest is there's a majority

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<v Speaker 7>of American that don't support tariffs against Canada and Mexico.

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<v Speaker 5>We know that tariffs are going to hurt people on

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<v Speaker 5>both sides of the borders. Some analysis that has been

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<v Speaker 5>done is that it would cost each American about thirteen

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<v Speaker 5>hundred dollars more for Canadians about eighteen or nineteen hundred

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00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:29.440
<v Speaker 5>dollars each, and that message, you know. I've had conversations

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<v Speaker 5>with business leaders in Washington State and in Oregon and

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<v Speaker 5>some other of the Western states, and certainly they understand

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<v Speaker 5>the gravity of the situation in Canada. It's been the

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<v Speaker 5>top of the media cycle for weeks now. My concern

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<v Speaker 5>is that it's not getting the same level of profile

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<v Speaker 5>or importance in the United States. So how can we

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<v Speaker 5>as Canadians help drive that message that tariffs will be

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<v Speaker 5>painful for both Canadians and Americans.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think we did, particularly when mister Trudeau, Minister Leblain,

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<v Speaker 7>myself and mine, mister mc ginty went and said, you

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<v Speaker 7>know what, one hundred and fifty five billion dollars worth

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<v Speaker 7>of tariffs when the executive order was signed, the first

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<v Speaker 7>one regarding twenty five percent tariffs against US on Fentanel,

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<v Speaker 7>and we decided to say, very strong response, one hundred

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<v Speaker 7>and fifty five billion dollars worth of tariffs and the

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<v Speaker 7>first launch is thirty billion dollars. We were the first,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, internationally to say here we go, this will

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<v Speaker 7>be our response. We're the biggest client client of the

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<v Speaker 7>US by far. We buy more about than China, than Japan,

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<v Speaker 7>than the UK and friends all together, and so when

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<v Speaker 7>we're the first trading partner of the US, and so

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<v Speaker 7>when Prime Minister Trudeau gave his speech, which I think

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<v Speaker 7>was a really good one to the American people themselves,

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<v Speaker 7>it made it. It made national use in the US,

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<v Speaker 7>and what we saw is President Trump lost the narrative

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<v Speaker 7>over that weekend. We need to continue to be strong.

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<v Speaker 7>We need to continue that to say no problem, will

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<v Speaker 7>find a way.

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<v Speaker 6>To address the border issues.

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<v Speaker 7>But if you do so, we'll fight back and you'll

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<v Speaker 7>this will have an impact on American people who will

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<v Speaker 7>pay more at the pump, who will pay more at

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<v Speaker 7>the grocery store, and jobs will be lost in the

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<v Speaker 7>US period. And so did you vote for that? American

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<v Speaker 7>people know you didn't. There was a clear promise from

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<v Speaker 7>President Trump which was we will make sure to put

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<v Speaker 7>down inflation. This is going against his most important electoral promise,

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<v Speaker 7>and so we need to convey that message. You're doing

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<v Speaker 7>a great job along with you know, all business people

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<v Speaker 7>getting involved, and we have many allies in the US

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<v Speaker 7>where the country also you know, on the on Earth

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<v Speaker 7>that knows more the American people, we get how they think.

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<v Speaker 7>We have friends and families on the other side of

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<v Speaker 7>the border. We're connected throughout through mayors, through governors, through representatives.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, when I talk to my European colleagues, they don't,

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<v Speaker 7>they just don't. They're just in another world. They're in Europe.

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<v Speaker 7>They you know, they haven't all had their all Hall moment.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes yet with becoming us that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 5>But beyond beyond fentanyl and the border issue. The other

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<v Speaker 5>topic or issue that appears to be a challenger or

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<v Speaker 5>a problem for President Trump is around our devent spending.

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<v Speaker 5>And you recently said that you thought Canada should increase

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<v Speaker 5>its defense spending. So does that mean that you think

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<v Speaker 5>we'll reach that two percent target? And how would we

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<v Speaker 5>do that?

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<v Speaker 7>I think you know, when it comes to defense, it's

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<v Speaker 7>not about the relationship with US only.

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<v Speaker 6>It is fundamentally about us.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been the foreign minister for nearly well more than

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<v Speaker 7>three years and a half at this point, and we

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<v Speaker 7>need to defend ourselves. I just told you that the

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<v Speaker 7>world is much more dangerous. When I was here I

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<v Speaker 7>think two years ago, and we launched the Indo Pacific strategy,

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<v Speaker 7>I told that there was an issue in terms of

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<v Speaker 7>competition between China and the US which could lead potentially

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<v Speaker 7>to you know, a greater international greater international tensions, and

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<v Speaker 7>potentially in international conflict.

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<v Speaker 5>I do remember that conversation.

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<v Speaker 7>So now we presented a new defense policy update. I

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<v Speaker 7>presented a new Arctic strategy last December because there is

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<v Speaker 7>now cooperation between Russia and China and the Arctic, which

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<v Speaker 7>is affecting our own sovereignty, which we need to do more.

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<v Speaker 7>But my point is is I'm hawkish on this. We

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<v Speaker 7>need to get to the percent quicker. And two days

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<v Speaker 7>ago the UK just announced that they would get to

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<v Speaker 7>two point five percent.

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<v Speaker 6>This is of the world in which we are now.

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<v Speaker 5>So what would be a reasonable timeline for us to

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<v Speaker 5>get to that two percent.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I won't go into the timelines, but my point

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<v Speaker 7>is we need to be smart about it and we

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<v Speaker 7>need to create jobs that home. You know, when we

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<v Speaker 7>talk about defense spending or investments, all of you business

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00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 7>community members should think, Okay, how can I be part

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<v Speaker 7>of that supply chain? How can I you know, be

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<v Speaker 7>part of the investments the government.

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<v Speaker 6>Will be making.

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<v Speaker 7>Because it is we can't just invest in defense and

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<v Speaker 7>send basically all our money, your taxpayer's money, to the US.

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<v Speaker 5>We're talking about the full supply chain that comes to.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, yes, because it is about indeed investing in the

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<v Speaker 7>Arctic and making sure we have bases there.

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<v Speaker 6>And much more equipment, much more people as well.

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<v Speaker 7>But it is about you know, the entire spectrum of

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<v Speaker 7>technology that is linked to the protection of Canada physically

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<v Speaker 7>but also virtually digitally.

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<v Speaker 5>It is becoming very clear that this is not just

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<v Speaker 5>an issue around trade relationships. It is an issue of

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<v Speaker 5>sovereignty and you have you just said a few minutes

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<v Speaker 5>ago it is a dangerous time. It is are more

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<v Speaker 5>becoming a more dangerous time. I think yesterday the comments

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<v Speaker 5>from the Prime Minister of the UK were quite surprising

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<v Speaker 5>for many Canadians and it made us feel even more

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<v Speaker 5>alone in this What was your take, Well.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that when it comes to Canada and UK,

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<v Speaker 7>no country will be very able to divide us. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm in British Columbia right now. You know, it's part

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00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:29.039
<v Speaker 7>of our history, it's part of our relationship.

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<v Speaker 6>We have the same head of state.

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<v Speaker 7>But having spent the last two weeks and a half

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<v Speaker 7>in Europe and also going to Johannesburg in South Africa

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<v Speaker 7>for the G twenty, we are the ones along, I think,

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<v Speaker 7>with Denmark and Panama that are really really in Mexico

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<v Speaker 7>obviously really facing this much more tense relationship, which we

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<v Speaker 7>were all surprised by because that was not discuss during

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<v Speaker 7>the electoral period in the US. And I think that

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<v Speaker 7>I was at the Immunich Security Conference when JD.

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<v Speaker 6>Vance gave his speech. I think that the many diplomats.

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<v Speaker 7>In the room were very heard heard a rhetoric they

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<v Speaker 7>never heard from the US, which really shocked them. And

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<v Speaker 7>afterwards there were conversations about, uh, the relationship the US

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<v Speaker 7>had with Ukraine and with Russia.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was also a moment of.

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<v Speaker 7>Very great concern in the in in Europe. But when

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<v Speaker 7>I was talking to them and with the foreign ministers

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<v Speaker 7>of France, of Germany, of of the of the EU,

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<v Speaker 7>and also of the UK, what we were going through

563
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<v Speaker 7>and saying, hey, we're the canter in the coal mine, guys,

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<v Speaker 7>this is coming to you your next, they were believing

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<v Speaker 7>me and taking lots of notes. But this week Trump

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<v Speaker 7>said eu U was created to you know, against the US,

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<v Speaker 7>and twenty five percent tariffs against the U, and you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And I've well, I will.

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<v Speaker 7>I wrote all to all of them, I said, I

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<v Speaker 7>told you, and they were like, yeah, thanks, Mal, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>so we'll listen to you.

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<v Speaker 6>Mark so no. But but also why.

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<v Speaker 7>It was important is meanwhile I was there to organize

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<v Speaker 7>the counter tariffs because my point was we've already published

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<v Speaker 7>a thirty billion dollars list of first tariffs. We're the

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<v Speaker 7>only ones that have published it. They are affected already

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<v Speaker 7>by the stealing aluminum tariffs. So we're taking our list,

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<v Speaker 7>talking to Europeans to make sure we all have the

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<v Speaker 7>same line.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think our relationship with the UK has changed though,

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<v Speaker 5>given the new Ish Prime Minister kri Starmark.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I think you know.

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<v Speaker 7>I was just in London, had a really good conversation

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<v Speaker 7>with his chief of staff. I went to the ten

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<v Speaker 7>Downing Street. I was there on Tuesday or Friday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I was with Johnathan Powell, his national security advisor. I

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<v Speaker 7>sat down also with the Foreign Minister, David Lamy. I

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<v Speaker 7>think that just countries are figuring out what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 7>A change of leadership from the US and the world,

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<v Speaker 7>and so I think, you know, all all of us,

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<v Speaker 7>all countries are looking at ourselves and we're anxious.

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<v Speaker 6>We need to make sure that we organize ourselves, and by.

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<v Speaker 7>Organizing ourselves, we are able to bend that arc of

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<v Speaker 7>history I was talking to You're about so that so

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<v Speaker 7>I counter tariffs, having the same products, you know, targeting

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<v Speaker 7>the same regions in the US is really really important, been.

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<v Speaker 5>The arc of history. I have not seen the video,

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<v Speaker 5>but I understand that within the last hour or two

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<v Speaker 5>there was a display between Vladimir Zelenski and President Trump

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<v Speaker 5>in the White House, which actually became an argument which

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<v Speaker 5>is quite hard to believe with media in the room.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you heard about this or seen this? And then

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<v Speaker 5>what would your reaction be to the situation with Ukraine

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<v Speaker 5>given you have had a lot of dealings.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I haven't seen the video yet, of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>my phone was just buzzing and buzzing and buzzing. And

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<v Speaker 7>I spoke to Lindsey Graham actually fifteen minutes before he

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<v Speaker 7>went into that press conference, and he was actually quite

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<v Speaker 7>positive and going they were going to sign the critical

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<v Speaker 7>minerals deal. And I had spoken to the chief staff

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<v Speaker 7>of Zelensky and Yeermak three days ago to try to

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<v Speaker 7>organize what they would say and how, you know, and

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<v Speaker 7>he was briefing me on their strategy. What President Zelensky

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<v Speaker 7>right now is going through in Ukraine is similar to

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<v Speaker 7>what we're seeing here.

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<v Speaker 6>There's really a rally around the flag.

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<v Speaker 7>And he's actually extremely popular, more than maybe a month ago,

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<v Speaker 7>because Ukrainians are really really mad at the way that,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, the comments about his leadership have been have

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<v Speaker 7>been you know, expressed, and so I think that and

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<v Speaker 7>we've seen Ukrainians you can never think you can never

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<v Speaker 7>underestimate them.

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<v Speaker 6>And President Zelensky is somebody that has gone.

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<v Speaker 7>Through a long war of three years, having death threats

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<v Speaker 7>against him. You know, he is has shown great leadership

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<v Speaker 7>and courage. So I think that you know, he will

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<v Speaker 7>never settle for a bad deal, and I think it

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<v Speaker 7>is for us important to make sure that we work

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<v Speaker 7>with him and with our allies on that, because.

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<v Speaker 6>If we don't get a good deal.

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<v Speaker 7>For Ukraine, we're sending a message to Russia. And we

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<v Speaker 7>know that President Putin has no red lines, and if

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<v Speaker 7>he has no red lines, it means that then NATO

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<v Speaker 7>territory is a threat.

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<v Speaker 6>And if NATO territory is a threat, we are a threat.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's why when you try to connect why is

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<v Speaker 7>Ukraine important and why we need to make sure to

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<v Speaker 7>support Ukrainians and European security, it is because basically we

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<v Speaker 7>have played a role in Europe to defend Europe. But

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<v Speaker 7>when we defend Europe, we also defend our own space,

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<v Speaker 7>our own sovereignty, because we know that solidarity goes both ways.

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<v Speaker 5>And not knowing the details of what this display was

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<v Speaker 5>in the White House this morning, you know, what does

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<v Speaker 5>it say about the shifting allegiances between the US and Russia.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think there's still a lot to be seen there.

646
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<v Speaker 7>I think that it's important that there will be conversations diplomatically.

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<v Speaker 7>At one point, we know the war needs to end.

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<v Speaker 7>The question is how will it end on with conditions

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<v Speaker 7>and how we can make sure that, you know, we

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<v Speaker 7>get a good deal that will make sure that present

651
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<v Speaker 7>Putin doesn't leave rearm and reattack.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the risk.

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<v Speaker 7>We cannot be in a position where a bit like

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<v Speaker 7>what was done on Chermea and Minx. You know the

655
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<v Speaker 7>peace accords of Minsk one and then Mins two, which

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<v Speaker 7>eventually led to the full legendation of Ukraine. Ukrainians have

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<v Speaker 7>a right to be part of Europe, have a right

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<v Speaker 7>to also for their own destiny. And if we don't

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<v Speaker 7>do that, it means that, you know, the borders are

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<v Speaker 7>of every single country on the planet, are actually can

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<v Speaker 7>be can be redrawn through force. And and we're middle power,

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<v Speaker 7>we are not of superpower. We believe in these international

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<v Speaker 7>norms and rules that have kept us safe, that are

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<v Speaker 7>at the.

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<v Speaker 6>Core of the United Nations, that are at that core

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<v Speaker 6>of the you know, the idea of peace.

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<v Speaker 7>That our grandparents had in mind after the Second World War,

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<v Speaker 7>and so we need to defend them. And meanwhile, I

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<v Speaker 7>think what I've been saying a lot to Trump the

670
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<v Speaker 7>Trump demonstration is President Trump cannot have a bad deal

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<v Speaker 7>on Ukraine because China is looking on the other side

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<v Speaker 7>of the ocean to.

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<v Speaker 6>See what type of deal.

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<v Speaker 7>Because then it's also the relationship of what type what

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<v Speaker 7>China could do on Taiwan. And he does not want

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<v Speaker 7>to be seen weak even at home. So there are

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<v Speaker 7>many different reasons why this Ukrainian deal is is really

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<v Speaker 7>really important because it sets for the next steps of

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<v Speaker 7>whether we will be in a much more peaceful world

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<v Speaker 7>without too many threats through security or not.

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<v Speaker 5>So how does Canada's role on the world stage evolve

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<v Speaker 5>given these kinds of global tensions. Canada was always known

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<v Speaker 5>as a peacekeeping country and had a pretty central role.

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<v Speaker 5>Things are obviously very fluid and changing very quickly. So

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<v Speaker 5>where do you see Canada's role in the global stage?

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that's also one of questions on Slider there.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think you know, when I came two years

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<v Speaker 7>ago also talking about the Indo Pacific strategy, we need

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<v Speaker 7>to reckon that we need new alliances and new partnerships.

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<v Speaker 7>We have to be closer to Japan and Korea than

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<v Speaker 7>we are from Germany, France and the UK.

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<v Speaker 6>We need to be closer also to Europe.

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<v Speaker 7>We need to diversify not only the trade side, but

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<v Speaker 7>also on the security front. We need to make sure

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<v Speaker 7>that we have you know, we presented I presented a

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<v Speaker 7>new approach on the Arctic. We have to be closer

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<v Speaker 7>to the seven of the eight Arctic states, which are

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<v Speaker 7>now Finland, Sweden are part of NATO now, which we're

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<v Speaker 7>not you know, three years ago, but also Norway, Denmark, Iceland,

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<v Speaker 7>so the Nordics. And I'm seeing that in full DISPLAYGID,

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<v Speaker 7>because I'm seeing that now we're having conversations with countries

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<v Speaker 7>that we weren't that close to, but now we're saying, okay,

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<v Speaker 7>we need to share intelligence, we need to do more

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<v Speaker 7>defense cooperation, we need more of your trade, and we

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<v Speaker 7>need also more of your knowledge. It is that is

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<v Speaker 7>what's happening. And we have so much to offer. We

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<v Speaker 7>have fantastic natural resources we have. You know, I was

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<v Speaker 7>saying to French you want uranium, why do you get

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<v Speaker 7>them from Kazakhstan? You can get it from us, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>we potash fertilizers, there's still no sanctions on Belarussian and

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<v Speaker 7>Russian UH fertilizers and potash because it's too expensive for

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<v Speaker 7>European farmers get it from US, you know. And well

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<v Speaker 7>you'll put maximum pressure on Belarus, belar Belarus, Belarus and

714
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<v Speaker 7>and and and Russia. So and we have, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>all the talents. Y. Basically, we're very rich country. I

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<v Speaker 7>have lots to offer, but we have not necessarily had

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<v Speaker 7>the reflex to device diversify, and we've been over reliant

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<v Speaker 7>on the US.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you think that there.

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<v Speaker 5>Is uh enough profile and importance being put on the Arctic.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like there's a lot of conversations and a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of analysis about a lot of other pieces of

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<v Speaker 5>this puzzle, but the Arctic, to me seems it is

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<v Speaker 5>one incredibly important piece of the puzzle that maybe we're underestimating.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, when I talk about the Arctic a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think it will be the theater of where

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<v Speaker 7>tensions will start, but I think it will be a

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<v Speaker 7>theater where it will be impacted by all the other tensions.

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<v Speaker 7>So President Putin went to Beijing last June last spring

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<v Speaker 7>and he signed a cooperation military cooperation agreement with President

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<v Speaker 7>g to have military cooperation between China and Russia in

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<v Speaker 7>the Arctic before the war in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 6>Russians believe, like we all did, an Arctic States, the

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<v Speaker 6>Arctic states, that the Arctic needed.

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<v Speaker 7>To be a high nor low tension region and there

736
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<v Speaker 7>was a lot of multilateralism, lots of diplomatic conversations, and

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<v Speaker 7>it was kept there through the Arctic Council. But bit

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<v Speaker 7>by bit, as the war in Ukraine was not successful

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<v Speaker 7>for the Russians has they were drawn into sending more

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<v Speaker 7>resources and eventually asking.

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<v Speaker 6>For you know, North Korean troops.

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<v Speaker 7>They allowed more China to come in the Arctic because

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<v Speaker 7>China for a long time has been wanting to be

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<v Speaker 7>in the Arctic. The Arctic as the ice is melting,

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<v Speaker 7>will be the shortest route between Asia and Europe, and

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<v Speaker 7>that is why, and it's going through our Northwest passage.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's why we need to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 7>are there defending our sovereignty, but also working with other

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<v Speaker 7>Arctic nations, with NATO, with the Americans on NORAD to

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<v Speaker 7>ultimately defend ourselves.

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