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Speaker 2: Good evening everyone. It was good to be here in
Speaker 2: London today. It was important for Canada to be there
Speaker 2: with allies as we discuss the importance of standing united
Speaker 2: in defense of Ukraine and in pushing for a durable
Speaker 2: and lasting piece in Ukraine. We all have important roles
Speaker 2: to play and we've recommitted today to continue to do that.
Speaker 2: In the rules, Prime Mister Stormer mentioned the Coalition of
Speaker 2: the Willing.
Speaker 1: What role will Canada play that coalition?
Speaker 2: Canada has been one of the strongest countries in support
Speaker 2: of Ukraine from the very beginning. For over ten years now,
Speaker 2: we've been training Ukrainian defense forces. We're up to close
Speaker 2: to forty thousand Ukrainian troops that we have trained over
Speaker 2: the years. Were continuing to play a significant role in training,
Speaker 2: as is the UK who is our primary partner in that.
Speaker 2: We've also invested close to twenty billion dollars in supports
Speaker 2: for Ukraine, military, economic, and other and we're going to
Speaker 2: continue to be there to support Ukraine as necessary, with
Speaker 2: whatever it takes, for as long as it takes because
Speaker 2: Ukraine is not just defending its own territories, defending the
Speaker 2: very principles and values that underpin all of our democracies.
Speaker 2: So as we look at what's going to be necessary
Speaker 2: in the coming years, I can assure you that Canada
Speaker 2: and Canadians will be there.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to policy and rights. Here in Depictions Media Radio,
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Michael Kloggs. As Friday ended, we all
Speaker 3: got word of a fight that happened in the Oval
Speaker 3: office in the White House, or maybe not actually in
Speaker 3: the office itself, but it did happen in the White House,
Speaker 3: and it was after live on American television, and it
Speaker 3: was promptly broadcasted on the White House YouTube channel as
Speaker 3: mister Zelensky was defending himself against bullies in the Trump administration.
Speaker 3: It kind of all started with, sadly, with some blogger
Speaker 3: making a comment about mister Zelensky not wearing a suit.
Speaker 3: It's pretty certain that that person making a comment about
Speaker 3: why he doesn't wear a suit was planted there by
Speaker 3: mister Trump in order to demean mister Zelensky and demean
Speaker 3: him as a leader. This is a man that took
Speaker 3: up the torch for Ukraine and is to his country
Speaker 3: against odds that we can't even imagine, with Vladimir Putin
Speaker 3: at the helm of the Russian Federation. The war has
Speaker 3: continued over a number of years, three years to be exact.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 3: The Ukrainian soldiers have managed to actually hit territories and
Speaker 3: targets inside the Russian border. They managed to push at
Speaker 3: some point push the Russians back across the border, and
Speaker 3: have defended themselves against innumerable attacks and inhumane acts of
Speaker 3: destruction that were caused by the Russian soldiers. We have
Speaker 3: heard on the on the United from the United Nations,
Speaker 3: the United Nations Security Council about how these are lies
Speaker 3: proposed by the uh Western Powers. In the same conversation
Speaker 3: on the he ultimately turned into Donald Trump saying, either
Speaker 3: either mister Zilinki Zelenski jumps on and signs the deal
Speaker 3: that mister Trump has in front of him, or he
Speaker 3: holds no cards. He is ultimately going to cause World
Speaker 3: War III and the destruction of Ukraine. The only way
Speaker 3: he will have cards is is if he signs the
Speaker 3: deal right there, The only way he would ever have power.
Speaker 3: Mister Trump, mister Rubio, and mister Vance tried to demoralize
Speaker 3: a person who stood strong against the bullies and is
Speaker 3: continuing to stand strong and has a history of standing
Speaker 3: strong against bullies, including Vladimir Putin. Mister Trump and his
Speaker 3: married little men displayed on Friday who they truly are
Speaker 3: aligned with, who their true allegiance actually belongs with, and
Speaker 3: it isn't the American people, it is Vladimir Putin. He
Speaker 3: put his cards on the table instead of holding him
Speaker 3: holding them to his chest like he usually does. Of course,
Speaker 3: when mister Zelensky left the White House and he got
Speaker 3: to Europe, he was greeted with open arms by the EU.
Speaker 3: And with that being said, you heard already a statement
Speaker 3: from Justin Trudeau as we opened the show saying that
Speaker 3: Canada will stand by Ukraine. Okay, So it's now a
Speaker 3: few days later and mister Trump is still denouncing mister Zelensky,
Speaker 3: saying he is attempting to defame him and by calling
Speaker 3: him different names about and saying of that that his
Speaker 3: leadership is weak and he is going to fall. The
Speaker 3: truth of the matter is is that mister Trump, by
Speaker 3: laying all of his cards on the table and revealing
Speaker 3: who he's truly aligned with, he opened up the door
Speaker 3: for the European Union to truly open its eyes and
Speaker 3: see that maybe for the next four years, we need
Speaker 3: to keep the United States at a distance. Other former
Speaker 3: presidents have made statements about the display that happened on Friday,
Speaker 3: and it isn't favorable. This isn't about democrats versus Republicans
Speaker 3: any longer. This is about a fascist autocrat trying to
Speaker 3: conquer and take over the American people. So we're gonna
Speaker 3: move forward into the show, and we're gonna hear statements
Speaker 3: from mister povier As and and we're also going to
Speaker 3: hear a interview that was done or a segment of
Speaker 3: the interview that was done in Vancouver, BC by the
Speaker 3: Vancouver Border Trade on Friday about the tariffs and how
Speaker 3: Canada can defend itself against the tariffs and what does
Speaker 3: it what does the tariffs in both of in both
Speaker 3: of their eyes, What do these same tarrors mean to
Speaker 3: the American people? To my American friends that are actually
Speaker 3: listening to this, be warned that if tar go up,
Speaker 3: prices that you pay for a thing, for certain goods
Speaker 3: on the shelves and the stores that you that you
Speaker 3: like to buy are going to go up. Inflation is
Speaker 3: going to go up in America if the tariffs go up.
Speaker 3: Here's a reason why he why mister Trump keeps dangling
Speaker 3: it and then moving the target. He knows because he
Speaker 3: has said several times that he is a businessman, he
Speaker 3: is not a politician, and he knows that if the
Speaker 3: tariffts go up too far, that the prices on the
Speaker 3: shelves through the American people are going to go up.
Speaker 3: It's going to cost you more to live because the
Speaker 3: United States cannot be self sustained. It doesn't have enough
Speaker 3: oil and gas. It doesn't have enough lumber, it doesn't
Speaker 3: have any aluminum to be had within the borders of
Speaker 3: the United States. It's not an existent or it is limited.
Speaker 3: He knows this. He's telling you a story so that
Speaker 3: he gets you on its side. But is that story
Speaker 3: going to truly serve you something to think about as
Speaker 3: we listen to the next two statements from the Canadian
Speaker 3: Minister of Foreign Affairs, and we listen to the opposition
Speaker 3: leadership of the Canadian government with the Conservative Party, mister
Speaker 3: Pierre Polvier, So why don't we get started, listen to
Speaker 3: what they have to say, and think about what mister
Speaker 3: Trump is truly doing and what his economic strategy really
Speaker 3: means to everyone's pocket.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much everyone for being here today. I'm
Speaker 4: in politics to bring home Canada's promise, a very simple promise.
Speaker 4: You work hard, You've got a great life in a
Speaker 4: beautiful house on a safe street, protected by a solid
Speaker 4: border and brave troops under a proud flag. That promise
Speaker 4: has been broken now for several years after the Carney
Speaker 4: true to liberals, doubled housing costs, doubled the national debt,
Speaker 4: doubled food bank lineups, doubled gun crime, pushed half a
Speaker 4: trillion dollars of investment out of Canada to the US,
Speaker 4: and gave us the worst economic growth in the G seven.
Speaker 4: Now they're seeking a fourth term in office, but more
Speaker 4: media lee. On Tuesday, we're faced with yet another possible
Speaker 4: threat of tariffs. Mister Trump, the President of the United States,
Speaker 4: has threatened that tariffs will kick in on Tuesday. We
Speaker 4: don't know if he's going to pull back again, but
Speaker 4: if the tariffs do happen, we must retaliate, and we
Speaker 4: must use the revenues, mostly almost exclusively, to cut taxes
Speaker 4: for Canadian workers and businesses to bolster our economy against
Speaker 4: those tariffs. Regardless of what the President does, though we
Speaker 4: can't rely on him, and we can't rely on the
Speaker 4: Americans anymore. We've learned our lesson from ten years of helplessness.
Speaker 4: We need to take back control of our economy and
Speaker 4: bring home a strong, self reliant and sovereign nation. Simply put,
Speaker 4: we need to bring it home. We must bring home
Speaker 4: our jobs, our resources, our production, our supply chains. We
Speaker 4: must not only harvest our resources, but we must build
Speaker 4: l ANDNG plants and ports that can get those resources
Speaker 4: to over sees markets. That means tax cuts and green
Speaker 4: lighting massive resource projects to bring home our jobs, businesses,
Speaker 4: and money, and to become less dependent on the Americans.
Speaker 4: It means rejecting the radical keep it in the ground
Speaker 4: environmental agenda that Mark Karney has advised on Justin Trudeau
Speaker 4: over the last five years. That is why over a
Speaker 4: month ago, I called on the government two immediately one
Speaker 4: repeal the liberal No New Pipeline's Law C sixty nine,
Speaker 4: a law that is blocked mines, pipelines, power dams, LNG
Speaker 4: plants that would make us more independent from the United States.
Speaker 4: Two immediately convene premiers to remove not talk about removing
Speaker 4: but remove exemptions in the Canadian Free Trade Deal so
Speaker 4: Canadians can trade between provinces. Three pass a bring it
Speaker 4: Home tax cut on work investment, home building, energy, and
Speaker 4: making stuff in Canada. Four Imediately remove red tape and
Speaker 4: taxes to boost home building. Wouldn't it be a wonderful
Speaker 4: way to help our beleaguered lumber business and our loggers
Speaker 4: to start building some homes If we were to ax
Speaker 4: the federal sales tax and get a deal with provinces
Speaker 4: and municipalities to take their taxes off, we could build
Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands of extra homes, creating jobs for our
Speaker 4: tradespeople and boosting demand for our domestic lumber that President
Speaker 4: Trump is threatening and that President Brydon already tariffed. But
Speaker 4: despite asking for all of these things over a month ago,
Speaker 4: nothing has happened. The Liberals have done precisely nothing in
Speaker 4: the last month to make us less reliant on the Americans.
Speaker 4: They shut Parliament so that we were not even able
Speaker 4: to pass any laws or more importantly, repeal the devastating
Speaker 4: laws and taxes that they had originally put in place. Instead,
Speaker 4: Liberals have spent the last three months raising money from
Speaker 4: Mark Kearny and fighting for power within their own party.
Speaker 4: So today, as we speak, the no New Pipeline's loss
Speaker 4: C sixty nine is still in place. All liberal tax
Speaker 4: increases are still in place. Trade barriers within the country
Speaker 4: are still in place. The federal sales tax is still
Speaker 4: in place on new homes. The Carney true to liberal
Speaker 4: policies that have doubled housing costs, doubled food bank use,
Speaker 4: doubled the debt, gave us the worst growth in the
Speaker 4: G seven, and pushed a half trillion dollars out of
Speaker 4: our country to the United States, all still in place,
Speaker 4: speaking and pushing money out of Canada. We know that
Speaker 4: is exactly what Mark Karney did when he backed down
Speaker 4: to Donald Trump. On October twenty sixth, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump threatened tariffs against Canada to take our jobs.
Speaker 4: Six days later, Mark Karney announced the Brookfield headquarters would
Speaker 4: move from Canada to Trump's hometown of New York City,
Speaker 4: giving Canadian jobs to Americans. And we all know, no
Speaker 4: matter what the corporate big wigs tell you, that when
Speaker 4: the headquarters goes, the jobs and the money will follow.
Speaker 4: Soon after, Mark Karney did exactly what Trump wanted. He
Speaker 4: backed down and sold out our country when Canada was
Speaker 4: under attack. He did it while he was acting as
Speaker 4: Justin Trudeau's economic advisor. When asked why he moved the
Speaker 4: headquarters out of Canada, he said he had nothing to
Speaker 4: do with it, that the decision was made after he
Speaker 4: left the company in January. Yet documents show that the
Speaker 4: decision was made in October of last year at a
Speaker 4: meeting that he chaired, where the decision was unanimous, meaning
Speaker 4: he agreed with it, and then he recommended it in
Speaker 4: writing to his shareholders confronted him about his falsehood. He
Speaker 4: now says he should have been more precise. But here's
Speaker 4: the thing. He was very precise. He said, and I
Speaker 4: quote the decision, the formal decision of the board, happened
Speaker 4: after I ceased to be on the board. Again, the decision,
Speaker 4: the formal decision of the board, happened after I ceased
Speaker 4: to be on the board. That is a very precise statement,
Speaker 4: precisely the opposite of the truth. The formal decision happened
Speaker 4: in October, three months before Mark Karney left, and he
Speaker 4: chaired the meeting. Now he told this to all of
Speaker 4: you the media. Here, we're here today, Let's digest that
Speaker 4: for a second. He sat at that mahogany table, grasping
Speaker 4: the gavel and recorded the DECI which he agreed with
Speaker 4: to move the headquarters to New York from Canada. And
Speaker 4: then just the other night, when you asked him about it,
Speaker 4: he looked all of you in the eye and he said,
Speaker 4: the board made the decision before, excuse me, after he
Speaker 4: left the company and he had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4: Are you ever going to believe anything he tells you again?
Speaker 4: Don't you think he should come before you and explain himself.
Speaker 4: Mark Karney has to come before Canadians and explain. He
Speaker 4: needs to explain why he lied and why he sold
Speaker 4: out our country, why he failed to put Canada first
Speaker 4: when we were under attack. He needs to apologize to Canadians,
Speaker 4: not only for lying, but for putting his personal profits
Speaker 4: ahead of our country. Mark Karney put himself first instead
Speaker 4: of putting Canada first. We need action to protect our
Speaker 4: country and its people, to take back control of our
Speaker 4: eccho noomic future, and to protect Canadians from greedy corporate
Speaker 4: executives who would ship our jobs abroad, and to bring
Speaker 4: home the promise of Canada. We have a common sense
Speaker 4: plan to do it. Conservatives will ax taxes, we will
Speaker 4: build homes, fix the budget and stop the crime. We
Speaker 4: will cut bureaucracy, consultants, corporate welfare, and foreign aid to
Speaker 4: bring down liberal deficits, taxes and inflation. We will repeal
Speaker 4: anti development laws like C. Sixty nine and rapidly green
Speaker 4: light minds, pipelines, factories, LNG plants and other highly profitable,
Speaker 4: profitable projects. We will lower taxes on work, energy, investment,
Speaker 4: home building, and making stuff in Canada. We'll take the
Speaker 4: GST off new homes to build thousands of new places
Speaker 4: for young people to live. We will ax the carbon
Speaker 4: tax for a real for everyone and forever. We will
Speaker 4: reject plans by Carti to bring that tax back. We
Speaker 4: will simplify our tax code so that our businesses spend
Speaker 4: more time hiring workers and serving customers in less time
Speaker 4: filling out forms. We will sell our natural gas in
Speaker 4: India and other overseas markets to displace dirtier forms of energy.
Speaker 4: We will actually confront Putin by displacing his energy dominance
Speaker 4: in Europe with Canadian natural gas, with energy plants that
Speaker 4: will get the projects up and running and out the door.
Speaker 4: So that we can bring home powerful paychecks for our
Speaker 4: people in this country. So the choice for Canadians will
Speaker 4: be simple. Do you believe that the Trudeau Carni Liberals
Speaker 4: deserve a fourth term of hiking taxes, doubling housing costs,
Speaker 4: blocking resource projects, and making us hopelessly dependent on the Americans?
Speaker 4: Are you ready for real common sense change to ax taxes,
Speaker 4: green light big projects, secure our borders and our military,
Speaker 4: and put Canada first. And in the end, we will
Speaker 4: bring home the promise of this country where hard work
Speaker 4: gets you a great life that buys you a beautiful
Speaker 4: home on a safe street, protected by solid borders and
Speaker 4: brave soldiers under a proud flag Canada. Let's bring it home.
Speaker 5: As we take our seats, I remind everybody they can
Speaker 5: log on a slide dot com and to submit and
Speaker 5: vote from questions. Minister, we have known each other for
Speaker 5: a long time. I've been in this role five years
Speaker 5: and when your previous portfolio, you were one of the
Speaker 5: first to reach out and to really connect with us
Speaker 5: and find out what was happening on the ground in
Speaker 5: Greater Vancouver during COVID, and so I've had the opportunity
Speaker 5: to watch you evolve in this role of yours now,
Speaker 5: and you know, quite just on a personal note, I
Speaker 5: don't think that you would have envisioned that it would
Speaker 5: have been quite all of this when you were appointed
Speaker 5: for an hears minister.
Speaker 6: Maybe we'll just start.
Speaker 5: With a few personal reflections and you can give some
Speaker 5: remarks about where things stand in this precise moment, on
Speaker 5: this precise day in regards to Paris, because it has
Speaker 5: been just such an ever changing situation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'm happy to see you again. You and
Speaker 7: I worked a lot on creating the first economic development agency,
Speaker 7: a regional development agency for the Pacific, which is called
Speaker 7: Pacific n You needed a kibot clause to make that happen.
Speaker 6: That's pretty funny.
Speaker 7: So I was just T telling BRIGANDT beforehand. When when
Speaker 7: Prime Minister Trudeau appointed me foreign minister back in twenty
Speaker 7: twenty one, I was calling different former foreign ministers, and
Speaker 7: one of which well known it is called John, and
Speaker 7: I'll call Jean like, okay, so what are your.
Speaker 6: Comments, what are your advice? What do you think? He said?
Speaker 7: You know, Melanie, it's create, it's very prestigious, but you'll
Speaker 7: never be in the media.
Speaker 6: You know, nothing will happen.
Speaker 7: Uh, So I was like, okay, well, thank you. And
Speaker 7: then four months later, uh the war in Ukraine started.
Speaker 7: And then from there, of course we know uh there
Speaker 7: were the October seventh uh that were in Gaza. I.
Speaker 6: It's you know, the entire Middle East living.
Speaker 7: On UH tensions with with China. We had our own
Speaker 7: issues also with India. It just never stopped every day,
Speaker 7: and now we know it is.
Speaker 6: Uh the question uh of what is the US.
Speaker 7: Role in the world v you know, the bilateral relationship
Speaker 7: between US and and and them, but also fundamentally, the geopolitical.
Speaker 6: Technomic plates are moving so fast. I'm sorry, yep, are
Speaker 6: moving so fast, and.
Speaker 7: Uh it is there's a fear of uh, the the
Speaker 7: changes creating a vacuum which could lead to us to
Speaker 7: be in a very dangerous world. And we we are
Speaker 7: indeed living in a much more dangerous world than four
Speaker 7: years ago. So, but we can organize ourselves. We can
Speaker 7: make sure that we defend our interests. It's not as
Speaker 7: if the arc of history is just something that we
Speaker 7: cannot have an impact on and we can't bend.
Speaker 6: But to do so, we need to be organized. And
Speaker 6: so let's talk about the tariffs.
Speaker 5: Okay, so yesterday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, let maybe back it up.
Speaker 5: We thought March fourth was going to be the deadline,
Speaker 5: and then we thought it was a pri second, and
Speaker 5: then we were told yesterday it is March fourth. So
Speaker 5: I have not seen Twitter in the last hour or so,
Speaker 5: so I don't know if it is changed. So let's
Speaker 5: assume that that tariffs could be imposed on March fourth.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the Team Canada approach and the efforts
Speaker 5: that your government has undertaken to try to alleviate the
Speaker 5: imposition of these tariffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So there are three executive orders that we have to
Speaker 7: bear in mind. That's why the date seems a bit conflicting.
Speaker 7: But for President Trump to talk about a date, he
Speaker 7: actually is linking it to an executive order he assigned.
Speaker 7: So the first one we're referred to is the one
Speaker 7: link to the fact that there is a crisis at
Speaker 7: the border quote unquote, and that you know, we need
Speaker 7: to address the fentanyl issue. So we came up with
Speaker 7: a very strong border plan one point three billion dollars
Speaker 7: that we invested in.
Speaker 6: We have a new.
Speaker 7: Borders are and that's why this executive order, which was
Speaker 7: scheduled to be in January was paused for thirty days,
Speaker 7: and that's the more March fourth date.
Speaker 8: And so when you hear in the media that we're
Speaker 8: talking a lot about border security, it is linked to
Speaker 8: that executive order, and that is a threat of twenty
Speaker 8: five percent tariffs against Canadian products and ten percent oil
Speaker 8: and gas.
Speaker 6: So that's the first executive.
Speaker 7: Order, and to be frank, we came up with a
Speaker 7: border plan because we believe we needed to do it
Speaker 7: for us because we know the US is a net
Speaker 7: exporter also of legal drugs and also of irregular migrants,
Speaker 7: so we need to do to make sure that.
Speaker 6: Canadians were safe at home.
Speaker 7: Second executive order is linked to steal an aluminum, and
Speaker 7: that's twenty five percent triffs and steel in aluminum. This
Speaker 7: is a This is an executive order that actually President
Speaker 7: Trump signed back in the days and during his first mandate,
Speaker 7: and it was an executive order that President Biden's also signed,
Speaker 7: but we had an exemption and the European Union had
Speaker 7: an exemption.
Speaker 6: So the date for that is March twelfth.
Speaker 7: And then there's a third one and last one which
Speaker 7: is affecting all countries in the world having a trade
Speaker 7: relationship with the US.
Speaker 6: On inauguration Day.
Speaker 7: On January twentieth, President Trump signed an executive order asking
Speaker 7: all federal agencies to report to the Commerce Secretary to
Speaker 7: study all the different reciprocal relationship trade relationships with the US.
Speaker 7: So when you hear reciprocal tariffs, it's linked to that
Speaker 7: executive order. And what the White House wants to do
Speaker 7: is to be able to do a deal with every
Speaker 7: single training partners. When they negotiate with US, they don't
Speaker 7: only talk about trade guides. They actually talk about a
Speaker 7: series a flurry of different aspects of different topics. And
Speaker 7: so it is the case for US, but it is
Speaker 7: the case also for many other countries in the world.
Speaker 5: So over the last many weeks, most I would say
Speaker 5: almost all of the cabinet, the federal cabinet, has been
Speaker 5: in Washington, DC. Yourself has been there, my minister, So,
Speaker 5: how successful do you think those discussions are? And I
Speaker 5: hesitate to call them negotiations because it's unclear what the
Speaker 5: end game is, But how do you what's your sense
Speaker 5: on how much progress you're seeing?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I've been five times to the US Washington
Speaker 7: and Marlago. Uh, and I've had many, many different conversations
Speaker 7: with the Trump administration itself, So Howard Lutnik, who's the
Speaker 7: Commerce Secretary, who's also talking to Minister LeBlanc, who is
Speaker 7: a key part of the discussions negotiations, and so I'm
Speaker 7: in touch with the White House, but I'm also in
Speaker 7: touch with the Senate, and in the Senate I'm talking
Speaker 7: to Lindsay Graham nearly every day.
Speaker 6: So I just spoke to him this morning.
Speaker 7: About a different subjects, including of course the tariffs. He's
Speaker 7: a he's very close President Trump. He's a Trump whisper,
Speaker 7: as we call it.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 7: And I've met you know, John Tune, the leader of
Speaker 7: the Senate Majority, who's the number two of the Republicans
Speaker 7: on Capitol Hill, and you know, go on and on
Speaker 7: and on, and I'm talking also to Democrats. That's really
Speaker 7: really important. So it is important because I think we've
Speaker 7: done a really good job, guys across the country to
Speaker 7: say to the American people and to their leaders that
Speaker 7: tariffs are.
Speaker 6: A really bad idea.
Speaker 7: And the only people on earth that we'll be able
Speaker 7: to push back against President Trump regarding tariffs are Americans themselves.
Speaker 7: And so the good news is is when you see
Speaker 7: all ministers going to Washington, when you see you know,
Speaker 7: colleagues from even you know, MP's going to Washington, premiers
Speaker 7: going to Washington.
Speaker 6: It's great.
Speaker 9: But fundamentally, when we buy local, when we decide to
Speaker 9: support Canadian products, when we decide to actually travel across.
Speaker 6: Canada or around the world and not.
Speaker 7: Necessarily travel to the US, we're sending a message. And
Speaker 7: that's the real Team Canada. Because now when you see
Speaker 7: polling in the US, the latest is there's a majority
Speaker 7: of American that don't support tariffs against Canada and Mexico.
Speaker 5: We know that tariffs are going to hurt people on
Speaker 5: both sides of the borders. Some analysis that has been
Speaker 5: done is that it would cost each American about thirteen
Speaker 5: hundred dollars more for Canadians about eighteen or nineteen hundred
Speaker 5: dollars each, and that message, you know. I've had conversations
Speaker 5: with business leaders in Washington State and in Oregon and
Speaker 5: some other of the Western states, and certainly they understand
Speaker 5: the gravity of the situation in Canada. It's been the
Speaker 5: top of the media cycle for weeks now. My concern
Speaker 5: is that it's not getting the same level of profile
Speaker 5: or importance in the United States. So how can we
Speaker 5: as Canadians help drive that message that tariffs will be
Speaker 5: painful for both Canadians and Americans.
Speaker 7: Well, I think we did, particularly when mister Trudeau, Minister Leblain,
Speaker 7: myself and mine, mister mc ginty went and said, you
Speaker 7: know what, one hundred and fifty five billion dollars worth
Speaker 7: of tariffs when the executive order was signed, the first
Speaker 7: one regarding twenty five percent tariffs against US on Fentanel,
Speaker 7: and we decided to say, very strong response, one hundred
Speaker 7: and fifty five billion dollars worth of tariffs and the
Speaker 7: first launch is thirty billion dollars. We were the first,
Speaker 7: you know, internationally to say here we go, this will
Speaker 7: be our response. We're the biggest client client of the
Speaker 7: US by far. We buy more about than China, than Japan,
Speaker 7: than the UK and friends all together, and so when
Speaker 7: we're the first trading partner of the US, and so
Speaker 7: when Prime Minister Trudeau gave his speech, which I think
Speaker 7: was a really good one to the American people themselves,
Speaker 7: it made it. It made national use in the US,
Speaker 7: and what we saw is President Trump lost the narrative
Speaker 7: over that weekend. We need to continue to be strong.
Speaker 7: We need to continue that to say no problem, will
Speaker 7: find a way.
Speaker 6: To address the border issues.
Speaker 7: But if you do so, we'll fight back and you'll
Speaker 7: this will have an impact on American people who will
Speaker 7: pay more at the pump, who will pay more at
Speaker 7: the grocery store, and jobs will be lost in the
Speaker 7: US period. And so did you vote for that? American
Speaker 7: people know you didn't. There was a clear promise from
Speaker 7: President Trump which was we will make sure to put
Speaker 7: down inflation. This is going against his most important electoral promise,
Speaker 7: and so we need to convey that message. You're doing
Speaker 7: a great job along with you know, all business people
Speaker 7: getting involved, and we have many allies in the US
Speaker 7: where the country also you know, on the on Earth
Speaker 7: that knows more the American people, we get how they think.
Speaker 7: We have friends and families on the other side of
Speaker 7: the border. We're connected throughout through mayors, through governors, through representatives.
Speaker 7: You know, when I talk to my European colleagues, they don't,
Speaker 7: they just don't. They're just in another world. They're in Europe.
Speaker 7: They you know, they haven't all had their all Hall moment.
Speaker 7: Yes yet with becoming us that in a minute.
Speaker 5: But beyond beyond fentanyl and the border issue. The other
Speaker 5: topic or issue that appears to be a challenger or
Speaker 5: a problem for President Trump is around our devent spending.
Speaker 5: And you recently said that you thought Canada should increase
Speaker 5: its defense spending. So does that mean that you think
Speaker 5: we'll reach that two percent target? And how would we
Speaker 5: do that?
Speaker 7: I think you know, when it comes to defense, it's
Speaker 7: not about the relationship with US only.
Speaker 6: It is fundamentally about us.
Speaker 7: I've been the foreign minister for nearly well more than
Speaker 7: three years and a half at this point, and we
Speaker 7: need to defend ourselves. I just told you that the
Speaker 7: world is much more dangerous. When I was here I
Speaker 7: think two years ago, and we launched the Indo Pacific strategy,
Speaker 7: I told that there was an issue in terms of
Speaker 7: competition between China and the US which could lead potentially
Speaker 7: to you know, a greater international greater international tensions, and
Speaker 7: potentially in international conflict.
Speaker 5: I do remember that conversation.
Speaker 7: So now we presented a new defense policy update. I
Speaker 7: presented a new Arctic strategy last December because there is
Speaker 7: now cooperation between Russia and China and the Arctic, which
Speaker 7: is affecting our own sovereignty, which we need to do more.
Speaker 7: But my point is is I'm hawkish on this. We
Speaker 7: need to get to the percent quicker. And two days
Speaker 7: ago the UK just announced that they would get to
Speaker 7: two point five percent.
Speaker 6: This is of the world in which we are now.
Speaker 5: So what would be a reasonable timeline for us to
Speaker 5: get to that two percent.
Speaker 7: Well, I won't go into the timelines, but my point
Speaker 7: is we need to be smart about it and we
Speaker 7: need to create jobs that home. You know, when we
Speaker 7: talk about defense spending or investments, all of you business
Speaker 7: community members should think, Okay, how can I be part
Speaker 7: of that supply chain? How can I you know, be
Speaker 7: part of the investments the government.
Speaker 6: Will be making.
Speaker 7: Because it is we can't just invest in defense and
Speaker 7: send basically all our money, your taxpayer's money, to the US.
Speaker 5: We're talking about the full supply chain that comes to.
Speaker 7: Well, yes, because it is about indeed investing in the
Speaker 7: Arctic and making sure we have bases there.
Speaker 6: And much more equipment, much more people as well.
Speaker 7: But it is about you know, the entire spectrum of
Speaker 7: technology that is linked to the protection of Canada physically
Speaker 7: but also virtually digitally.
Speaker 5: It is becoming very clear that this is not just
Speaker 5: an issue around trade relationships. It is an issue of
Speaker 5: sovereignty and you have you just said a few minutes
Speaker 5: ago it is a dangerous time. It is are more
Speaker 5: becoming a more dangerous time. I think yesterday the comments
Speaker 5: from the Prime Minister of the UK were quite surprising
Speaker 5: for many Canadians and it made us feel even more
Speaker 5: alone in this What was your take, Well.
Speaker 7: I think that when it comes to Canada and UK,
Speaker 7: no country will be very able to divide us. You know,
Speaker 7: I'm in British Columbia right now. You know, it's part
Speaker 7: of our history, it's part of our relationship.
Speaker 6: We have the same head of state.
Speaker 7: But having spent the last two weeks and a half
Speaker 7: in Europe and also going to Johannesburg in South Africa
Speaker 7: for the G twenty, we are the ones along, I think,
Speaker 7: with Denmark and Panama that are really really in Mexico
Speaker 7: obviously really facing this much more tense relationship, which we
Speaker 7: were all surprised by because that was not discuss during
Speaker 7: the electoral period in the US. And I think that
Speaker 7: I was at the Immunich Security Conference when JD.
Speaker 6: Vance gave his speech. I think that the many diplomats.
Speaker 7: In the room were very heard heard a rhetoric they
Speaker 7: never heard from the US, which really shocked them. And
Speaker 7: afterwards there were conversations about, uh, the relationship the US
Speaker 7: had with Ukraine and with Russia.
Speaker 6: And that was also a moment of.
Speaker 7: Very great concern in the in in Europe. But when
Speaker 7: I was talking to them and with the foreign ministers
Speaker 7: of France, of Germany, of of the of the EU,
Speaker 7: and also of the UK, what we were going through
Speaker 7: and saying, hey, we're the canter in the coal mine, guys,
Speaker 7: this is coming to you your next, they were believing
Speaker 7: me and taking lots of notes. But this week Trump
Speaker 7: said eu U was created to you know, against the US,
Speaker 7: and twenty five percent tariffs against the U, and you know.
Speaker 6: And I've well, I will.
Speaker 7: I wrote all to all of them, I said, I
Speaker 7: told you, and they were like, yeah, thanks, Mal, you know,
Speaker 7: so we'll listen to you.
Speaker 6: Mark so no. But but also why.
Speaker 7: It was important is meanwhile I was there to organize
Speaker 7: the counter tariffs because my point was we've already published
Speaker 7: a thirty billion dollars list of first tariffs. We're the
Speaker 7: only ones that have published it. They are affected already
Speaker 7: by the stealing aluminum tariffs. So we're taking our list,
Speaker 7: talking to Europeans to make sure we all have the
Speaker 7: same line.
Speaker 5: Do you think our relationship with the UK has changed though,
Speaker 5: given the new Ish Prime Minister kri Starmark.
Speaker 6: Oh, I think you know.
Speaker 7: I was just in London, had a really good conversation
Speaker 7: with his chief of staff. I went to the ten
Speaker 7: Downing Street. I was there on Tuesday or Friday. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I was with Johnathan Powell, his national security advisor. I
Speaker 7: sat down also with the Foreign Minister, David Lamy. I
Speaker 7: think that just countries are figuring out what does that mean?
Speaker 7: A change of leadership from the US and the world,
Speaker 7: and so I think, you know, all all of us,
Speaker 7: all countries are looking at ourselves and we're anxious.
Speaker 6: We need to make sure that we organize ourselves, and by.
Speaker 7: Organizing ourselves, we are able to bend that arc of
Speaker 7: history I was talking to You're about so that so
Speaker 7: I counter tariffs, having the same products, you know, targeting
Speaker 7: the same regions in the US is really really important, been.
Speaker 5: The arc of history. I have not seen the video,
Speaker 5: but I understand that within the last hour or two
Speaker 5: there was a display between Vladimir Zelenski and President Trump
Speaker 5: in the White House, which actually became an argument which
Speaker 5: is quite hard to believe with media in the room.
Speaker 5: Have you heard about this or seen this? And then
Speaker 5: what would your reaction be to the situation with Ukraine
Speaker 5: given you have had a lot of dealings.
Speaker 7: Well, I haven't seen the video yet, of course, you know,
Speaker 7: my phone was just buzzing and buzzing and buzzing. And
Speaker 7: I spoke to Lindsey Graham actually fifteen minutes before he
Speaker 7: went into that press conference, and he was actually quite
Speaker 7: positive and going they were going to sign the critical
Speaker 7: minerals deal. And I had spoken to the chief staff
Speaker 7: of Zelensky and Yeermak three days ago to try to
Speaker 7: organize what they would say and how, you know, and
Speaker 7: he was briefing me on their strategy. What President Zelensky
Speaker 7: right now is going through in Ukraine is similar to
Speaker 7: what we're seeing here.
Speaker 6: There's really a rally around the flag.
Speaker 7: And he's actually extremely popular, more than maybe a month ago,
Speaker 7: because Ukrainians are really really mad at the way that,
Speaker 7: you know, the comments about his leadership have been have
Speaker 7: been you know, expressed, and so I think that and
Speaker 7: we've seen Ukrainians you can never think you can never
Speaker 7: underestimate them.
Speaker 6: And President Zelensky is somebody that has gone.
Speaker 7: Through a long war of three years, having death threats
Speaker 7: against him. You know, he is has shown great leadership
Speaker 7: and courage. So I think that you know, he will
Speaker 7: never settle for a bad deal, and I think it
Speaker 7: is for us important to make sure that we work
Speaker 7: with him and with our allies on that, because.
Speaker 6: If we don't get a good deal.
Speaker 7: For Ukraine, we're sending a message to Russia. And we
Speaker 7: know that President Putin has no red lines, and if
Speaker 7: he has no red lines, it means that then NATO
Speaker 7: territory is a threat.
Speaker 6: And if NATO territory is a threat, we are a threat.
Speaker 7: So that's why when you try to connect why is
Speaker 7: Ukraine important and why we need to make sure to
Speaker 7: support Ukrainians and European security, it is because basically we
Speaker 7: have played a role in Europe to defend Europe. But
Speaker 7: when we defend Europe, we also defend our own space,
Speaker 7: our own sovereignty, because we know that solidarity goes both ways.
Speaker 5: And not knowing the details of what this display was
Speaker 5: in the White House this morning, you know, what does
Speaker 5: it say about the shifting allegiances between the US and Russia.
Speaker 7: Well, I think there's still a lot to be seen there.
Speaker 7: I think that it's important that there will be conversations diplomatically.
Speaker 7: At one point, we know the war needs to end.
Speaker 7: The question is how will it end on with conditions
Speaker 7: and how we can make sure that, you know, we
Speaker 7: get a good deal that will make sure that present
Speaker 7: Putin doesn't leave rearm and reattack.
Speaker 6: That's the risk.
Speaker 7: We cannot be in a position where a bit like
Speaker 7: what was done on Chermea and Minx. You know the
Speaker 7: peace accords of Minsk one and then Mins two, which
Speaker 7: eventually led to the full legendation of Ukraine. Ukrainians have
Speaker 7: a right to be part of Europe, have a right
Speaker 7: to also for their own destiny. And if we don't
Speaker 7: do that, it means that, you know, the borders are
Speaker 7: of every single country on the planet, are actually can
Speaker 7: be can be redrawn through force. And and we're middle power,
Speaker 7: we are not of superpower. We believe in these international
Speaker 7: norms and rules that have kept us safe, that are
Speaker 7: at the.
Speaker 6: Core of the United Nations, that are at that core
Speaker 6: of the you know, the idea of peace.
Speaker 7: That our grandparents had in mind after the Second World War,
Speaker 7: and so we need to defend them. And meanwhile, I
Speaker 7: think what I've been saying a lot to Trump the
Speaker 7: Trump demonstration is President Trump cannot have a bad deal
Speaker 7: on Ukraine because China is looking on the other side
Speaker 7: of the ocean to.
Speaker 6: See what type of deal.
Speaker 7: Because then it's also the relationship of what type what
Speaker 7: China could do on Taiwan. And he does not want
Speaker 7: to be seen weak even at home. So there are
Speaker 7: many different reasons why this Ukrainian deal is is really
Speaker 7: really important because it sets for the next steps of
Speaker 7: whether we will be in a much more peaceful world
Speaker 7: without too many threats through security or not.
Speaker 5: So how does Canada's role on the world stage evolve
Speaker 5: given these kinds of global tensions. Canada was always known
Speaker 5: as a peacekeeping country and had a pretty central role.
Speaker 5: Things are obviously very fluid and changing very quickly. So
Speaker 5: where do you see Canada's role in the global stage?
Speaker 5: And I think that's also one of questions on Slider there.
Speaker 7: Well, I think you know, when I came two years
Speaker 7: ago also talking about the Indo Pacific strategy, we need
Speaker 7: to reckon that we need new alliances and new partnerships.
Speaker 7: We have to be closer to Japan and Korea than
Speaker 7: we are from Germany, France and the UK.
Speaker 6: We need to be closer also to Europe.
Speaker 7: We need to diversify not only the trade side, but
Speaker 7: also on the security front. We need to make sure
Speaker 7: that we have you know, we presented I presented a
Speaker 7: new approach on the Arctic. We have to be closer
Speaker 7: to the seven of the eight Arctic states, which are
Speaker 7: now Finland, Sweden are part of NATO now, which we're
Speaker 7: not you know, three years ago, but also Norway, Denmark, Iceland,
Speaker 7: so the Nordics. And I'm seeing that in full DISPLAYGID,
Speaker 7: because I'm seeing that now we're having conversations with countries
Speaker 7: that we weren't that close to, but now we're saying, okay,
Speaker 7: we need to share intelligence, we need to do more
Speaker 7: defense cooperation, we need more of your trade, and we
Speaker 7: need also more of your knowledge. It is that is
Speaker 7: what's happening. And we have so much to offer. We
Speaker 7: have fantastic natural resources we have. You know, I was
Speaker 7: saying to French you want uranium, why do you get
Speaker 7: them from Kazakhstan? You can get it from us, you know,
Speaker 7: we potash fertilizers, there's still no sanctions on Belarussian and
Speaker 7: Russian UH fertilizers and potash because it's too expensive for
Speaker 7: European farmers get it from US, you know. And well
Speaker 7: you'll put maximum pressure on Belarus, belar Belarus, Belarus and
Speaker 7: and and and Russia. So and we have, you know,
Speaker 7: all the talents. Y. Basically, we're very rich country. I
Speaker 7: have lots to offer, but we have not necessarily had
Speaker 7: the reflex to device diversify, and we've been over reliant
Speaker 7: on the US.
Speaker 6: Do you think that there.
Speaker 5: Is uh enough profile and importance being put on the Arctic.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a lot of conversations and a
Speaker 5: lot of analysis about a lot of other pieces of
Speaker 5: this puzzle, but the Arctic, to me seems it is
Speaker 5: one incredibly important piece of the puzzle that maybe we're underestimating.
Speaker 7: Well, when I talk about the Arctic a couple of things.
Speaker 7: I don't think it will be the theater of where
Speaker 7: tensions will start, but I think it will be a
Speaker 7: theater where it will be impacted by all the other tensions.
Speaker 7: So President Putin went to Beijing last June last spring
Speaker 7: and he signed a cooperation military cooperation agreement with President
Speaker 7: g to have military cooperation between China and Russia in
Speaker 7: the Arctic before the war in Ukraine.
Speaker 6: Russians believe, like we all did, an Arctic States, the
Speaker 6: Arctic states, that the Arctic needed.
Speaker 7: To be a high nor low tension region and there
Speaker 7: was a lot of multilateralism, lots of diplomatic conversations, and
Speaker 7: it was kept there through the Arctic Council. But bit
Speaker 7: by bit, as the war in Ukraine was not successful
Speaker 7: for the Russians has they were drawn into sending more
Speaker 7: resources and eventually asking.
Speaker 6: For you know, North Korean troops.
Speaker 7: They allowed more China to come in the Arctic because
Speaker 7: China for a long time has been wanting to be
Speaker 7: in the Arctic. The Arctic as the ice is melting,
Speaker 7: will be the shortest route between Asia and Europe, and
Speaker 7: that is why, and it's going through our Northwest passage.
Speaker 7: So that's why we need to make sure that we
Speaker 7: are there defending our sovereignty, but also working with other
Speaker 7: Arctic nations, with NATO, with the Americans on NORAD to
Speaker 7: ultimately defend ourselves.
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