WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:19.440 Welcome friends, Jacky. 2 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:20.679 Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three forty two. I 3 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:23.280 am Zaki Hassan. I'm here with Brian Holp. Hey. How's 4 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:28.399 it going, Zachi? Hey man? Hi Ben? You know I'm 5 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.519 getting by, Like all of us are doing it the 6 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:34.719 best we can. To quote Just the Ten of Us? 7 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.119 Was that the theme song? Doing it the best stock can. 8 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.759 It's the great theme song that works for any show 9 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:49.159 because it's just general enough. It's right exactly like there's 10 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:52.759 a whole there's a whole YouTube channel that's just the 11 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:57.000 just the Ten of Us theme appended to like Perfect 12 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:02.159 Strangers and you know, Breaking Bad and you know Zack 13 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:05.200 Snyder's Justice League, like and it all works. 14 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:07.840 That's like ringing a bell. Now that you say it, 15 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:09.319 I feel like I kind of remember that. 16 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:11.439 Yeah, I'm pretty sure, pretty sure we've discussed it. 17 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:17.519 Yeah, uh real quick? Is there like some screaming going 18 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:19.200 on in the background. 19 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:22.719 Yes, there is. That's that's my that's my two year old. Almost. 20 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:26.840 Ah okay, so this is happy I'm alive screaming, not 21 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:29.760 like my brother has got me on a headlock. 22 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:36.280 And well, I suspect you know, last night I ordered 23 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.599 some I was feeling this urge for Chicago style deep dish. 24 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:43.760 Oh okay, And then completely by chance, my brother was like, hey, 25 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:46.959 I'm he and his wife. Oh, we're gonna go have 26 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:50.359 some Chicago style deep dish. What And I said, well, 27 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:52.920 clearly the stars have a line. So I like placed 28 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.680 an online order and I was like, hey, pick this 29 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.480 up and ring it back. So so I love that 30 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:00.359 they brought it to you. 31 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:02.599 They brought din't he didn't like door dash it or anything. 32 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:04.079 You're like, hey pick this up for me. 33 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.120 I was like, you're there anyway? You know, did you 34 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:11.319 tip him? I did not tip my brother, and and 35 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:13.120 I didn't. I don't. I don't feel like I need 36 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:14.639 to tip my brother because he gets to come over 37 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:16.159 and hang out whenever he wants. I make him some 38 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:17.719 nice coffee. That's true. 39 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:20.360 What's the place I mean is it? Do you have 40 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:21.840 good Chicago deep dish up there? 41 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:26.560 Yeah? Yeah, it's called Zachary's. Oh okay, yeah, they got 42 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:28.240 they got a few, And I was I was just 43 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.159 like Jones and for some for some Chicago style you know, 44 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:35.159 hm and and so anyway, the screaming you heard, I 45 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:38.560 suspect was it was him want wanting more want more 46 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:41.439 than pizza. We're raising him right. 47 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.680 Yeah, we actually have a Gino's East that opened up 48 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.520 uh in Sherman Oaks and Uh, which you know, that 49 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.080 was like where I liked to go whenever i'd visit Chicago. 50 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:54.639 So it was really cool that that opened up down 51 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:57.280 the road. And the pizza's good and the Italian beefs 52 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.280 are good, and so that's kind of nice. 53 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:03.599 There you go. Here's our unpaid promo for Zachary's and 54 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:07.240 Geno's East. Yeah, exactly, So that's what's going on there. 55 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:09.159 And before we get started, I just want to remind 56 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:11.840 everybody if you want to hear this episode ad free 57 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:13.759 and also support the work that we're doing. We do 58 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.400 have a Patreon page, right, Brian. 59 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:17.520 Yes, If you head over to patreon dot com Slash 60 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.199 Movie Film Podcast hit subscribe only five dollars a month, 61 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:24.360 you'll find all our commentaries and episodes without ads or interruptions, 62 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:28.479 butting in and bonus conversations. Recently, we had a fun 63 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:33.439 time talking about Disney kind of creating their own version 64 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:37.479 of IMAX, right, and what that means for the upcoming 65 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.479 Avengers movie. I talked about my gig that I've been 66 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:42.520 working on for the past several weeks. 67 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.319 And if you want to know what that gig is, 68 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:52.360 you know you want to yea, only hear it at Patreon. Yeah, 69 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:54.960 that's right, that's right. Anyway, what else have you seen, 70 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:58.960 Brian oh Man, I've seen a slew of things, actually 71 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:00.240 a slew of older. 72 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:03.479 Which I'll just go through quick because there's not much 73 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:05.479 I need to say about them. But they were really 74 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:08.400 cool experiences. And as I've said a lot on this show, 75 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.560 speaking of plugs. At the Regal Theater, you know, just 76 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:17.800 down the road from me, they always have these like series. 77 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:19.839 Where they'll show older. 78 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.000 Films like every day, and usually there's a theme for 79 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:24.959 the month. So one month was Masterpieces, one month was 80 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.560 Horror coming up in May now it's musicals, and in 81 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.199 April it was lols and so they were showing a 82 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:35.600 bunch of comedies. And then also nationwide theaters have been 83 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:39.680 showing a lot of older movies for their anniversaries. And 84 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.279 so anyway, I went and saw Farrispeeler's. 85 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:44.079 Day Off Nice that's an lol. 86 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.680 Yeah, yeah, and that I'd never seen it in a 87 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.240 theater before. I've seen it tons of times, but I 88 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:51.040 just thought it would be worth seeing Chicago on the 89 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:55.399 big screen, and I mostly bring it up because we 90 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.360 watched it. I sat next to a stranger and when 91 00:04:58.399 --> 00:04:59.959 it was over, he looked at me and he just 92 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.639 it's as good as it ever was, and I was like, yeah, 93 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.120 it really is, isn't it? Like it just really holds up. 94 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:08.240 And so you know, they have that scene on the 95 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.360 bus with the principal and he's like got to sit 96 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:12.639 with all the students, which kind of keeps you through 97 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:13.279 the credits. 98 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:15.160 And I have to admit I. 99 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.959 Completely forgot about the little tag at the end where 100 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:20.879 funny right where Ferris is in the hallway and he's like. 101 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.519 You're still here. Yeah, it's over, go home. 102 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.279 And you could sense this collective feeling in the theater 103 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:31.279 like we all were like oh yeah, and we never 104 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.720 thought we'd get to see that moment in a theater 105 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:37.560 and have Farris tell us to go home. And so 106 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:40.560 I was like, man, that was worth it just for that. 107 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:41.279 That was a good one. 108 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:46.199 Saw Jerry Maguire, which I think was celebrating his thirtieth anniversary, 109 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.800 and that's a lol. That was I think just an 110 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:54.759 anniversary screen. Okay, yeah, good movie, No, but it's really 111 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.079 really good and I hadn't seen it, I don't think 112 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:00.199 since the nineties, and it was really interesting. I took 113 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.040 my high school girlfriend to see that movie, you know, 114 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:03.839 when I was like sixteen years old or something, and 115 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:05.560 so it's one thing, you know, you see it as 116 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:07.639 a teenager, and then you watch it as like a 117 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.040 middle aged man and you're like, oh wow, it's really 118 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.399 it's a whole different experience, and you also just appreciate, 119 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.319 you know, this movie from the nineties and you know 120 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.120 Cameron Crowe, James L. Brooks, and it just has a 121 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.279 different tempo than movies have now. It has a lot 122 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:24.959 of great side characters that are allowed to have moments 123 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.759 and feel like fully fleshed out people even though they 124 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:31.319 really kind of aren't, but they just everyone feels like 125 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:33.639 a realized human being, which is kind of cool. Like 126 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.959 the movie just it allows the story and the characters 127 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:42.959 to breathe in a way that feels different than movies today. 128 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:44.279 But it was just a. 129 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:48.879 Really nice experience just watching a story about adults and 130 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:53.480 taking its time and it's a messier relationship than I remembered, 131 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:56.120 and maybe I even realized when I was younger, and 132 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:57.399 I kind of appreciated that. 133 00:06:58.839 --> 00:06:59.519 It's really cool. 134 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:01.720 It was a an unexpected one. I didn't think I'd 135 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:06.720 be watching anytime again, and going into the theater and 136 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:08.480 watching it giving it my full attention. It was a 137 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:12.560 really nice experience. And then let's see, I saw Death 138 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.199 Becomser That was one of the LOL ones, which was 139 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:16.439 like so much fun. 140 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:17.639 I hadn't watched that in a while. 141 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.879 You know, zamechis kind of like, I think he's coming 142 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:23.680 right off the Back to the Future three about to 143 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.040 go into Forrest Gump, and this is just like basically 144 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.639 a ninety minute tails from the Crypt episode he makes right, 145 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.839 you know, it's so fun. Meryl Streep and Goldiehn and 146 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:35.240 Bruce Willis. It's just so you know, special effects extravaganza, 147 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:40.079 just such a funny, you know, snarky tale. That was 148 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:42.240 like really cool to watch on the big screen again. 149 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.519 And then Tumar saw a Fight Club and that was 150 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.720 an anniversary one, I guess twenty fifth anniversary, which makes 151 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:51.480 me think of you because that was one of the 152 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:55.839 first movies you and I saw together in the theater, right, 153 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:56.839 nineteen ninety nine. 154 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.360 Yep, that's right. Isn't that crazy amazing? 155 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:02.160 It was weird to that was I hadn't seen it 156 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:05.199 on a big screen since then, really, and yeah, I 157 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.279 don't think so, or maybe like at an outdoor screening 158 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:12.800 or something. But man, that movie is just mesmerizing. I mean, 159 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:16.319 I know it's it's often misinterpreted and maybe disliked by 160 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.879 some people, but it's just as dizzying and hypnotic as 161 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:23.399 it ever was. Like it's just Fincher's exacting filmmaking is 162 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.920 just sumptuous on the big screen. 163 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:27.879 It was very cool to watch, you know What's funny. 164 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:28.240 I don't. 165 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:30.480 I don't think I have seen it since the theater 166 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:35.360 at all at all. Wow. Okay, and not because I've 167 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.320 avoided or anything. It's just a kind of just the 168 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.120 just I've somehow not seen it. Yeah. 169 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.679 Interesting, Do you have any interest or is it like yeah, yeah, yeah, 170 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.799 Well because the thing is like I don't, I don't 171 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.200 think I'm gonna wants to watch it, sure, although I 172 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:53.960 feel like she's seen it too, but it's like, you know, 173 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:57.360 and then it's not something you can really watch with kids. No, 174 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:01.159 it's still is grimy and unpleasant as you remember, like 175 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.120 it's you know, sometimes we talk about like the needle 176 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:06.799 being pushed a Little Bit or The Bar or whatever, 177 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:09.960 you know, like Game of Thrones made extreme violence a 178 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:12.600 little bit more acceptable in the mainstream, and then movies 179 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.879 followed suit, like this movie doesn't feel like, oh that's funny. 180 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:17.919 We thought this used to be nasty. It's like, no, 181 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:20.200 it's still nasty, right, you know. 182 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:24.639 But it's crazy because like my oldest is now about 183 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:27.759 the same age I was when I when it came out. Wow, 184 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.320 yeah right, so I mean I could conceivably watch it 185 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.559 with him, you know, but that's weird to like, that's 186 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.639 just crazy all by itself. Yeah, yeah, you know. 187 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:40.840 Maybe there are just some movies it's better for people 188 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:42.840 to watch on their own, like it doesn't need to 189 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.360 be a shared experience with your your parents. 190 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.480 That might be one of them. Yeah. 191 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.759 And then last night there's a screening series out here 192 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.159 in Los Angeles called Street Food Cinema where they have 193 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:58.559 a bunch of food trucks and set. 194 00:09:58.399 --> 00:09:59.480 Up at different locations. 195 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:02.159 And last night my friends and I saw the movie Carrie, 196 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.240 the Brian DePalma movie from seventy six. Yeah, I'd never 197 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:10.720 seen it before. And have you seen Carrie the og one? 198 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:15.799 Yeah, I'm sure on like WGN or something totally right. 199 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:18.960 Yeah, I mean, you know, the basically the poor girl 200 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:21.039 who has no friends and gets picked on, gets asked 201 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:21.399 to prom. 202 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.000 I mean everybody knows the ending. 203 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.440 You know, she gets dumped with pig's blood and she 204 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:29.840 has telekinesis and basically kills everybody. That's all I knew 205 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:32.879 about it, and so it was it was cool to watch, 206 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:34.399 and it was cool to watch with the crowd. It 207 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:38.440 was outdoors under the stars, and Sissy's spacek is really 208 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:42.559 good in it and just really sympathetic. I really cared 209 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:45.440 about her. And I was also really blown away by 210 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.200 the camera work. There's a lot of really speaking of Zemechis, 211 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.200 and we like his long shots where he continues to 212 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.799 reframe and you know, kind of uses the camera as narrator. 213 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:57.840 I mean, De Palma was doing that a lot in this, 214 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.879 and it was really technical, amazing stuff, you know, going 215 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:06.200 over huge crowds and over beams in a gymnasium, and 216 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.799 I was noticing that a lot. And the ending, I mean, 217 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:12.000 I know, the ending, I know, we're you know, everything 218 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:14.480 goes hey, why are at the prom? But it's really 219 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.360 to this day, the tension, the build up to it 220 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:22.720 is the editing the camera work, the score, the use 221 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:25.240 of slow motion, and someone trying to shut it down. 222 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.600 But it's too late. It's really packs a punch. 223 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:30.480 I mean, all these years later, it is really haunting 224 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.399 and powerful, and so that was like a cool I'm glad. 225 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:34.679 I'm glad I got to see it, and I'm glad 226 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:36.720 I got to see it projected with a crowd. 227 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.600 That was kind of expect I have a clear memory 228 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:42.320 of the remake from like twenty thirteen. Do you remember that? 229 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.519 I remember it existing. I didn't see it. It's Kimberly 230 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:52.320 Pierce directed it. Okay, boys don't cry and Cloy Morett's 231 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:58.159 Grace plays Carrie. Okay, isn't any good? Or I think 232 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:02.519 it's fine? You know, I I I you know, it's 233 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:05.519 just one of those IP for Ip's Sake type type remakes. 234 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:07.600 But I mean it's got a great cast. You know, 235 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:13.559 Julianne Moore plays Carrie's mom, and Judy I can see that, right, 236 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:19.840 Anseel el gort is, you know the guy that Carrie likes. Yeah, 237 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.919 it's fine, you know, I like, I don't. I don't 238 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.240 think it touches the original, but I mean Kimberly Pierce 239 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:27.440 is an interesting director for. 240 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:30.759 It, Yeah, you know, And it's it's funny because sometimes 241 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.320 you watch movies from a different era and they can 242 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:37.039 feel a little scrappy, right, you know, to our sensibilities 243 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:40.399 in the way things have just evolved. And so I 244 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.399 could see someone feeling like maybe they could also do 245 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:47.600 a take on it. But there's just something like when 246 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.440 she is in there in the gym and she kind 247 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.399 of goes bug eyed, you know, it's like she's sort 248 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:54.960 of taken over and the doors or like there's just 249 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.879 something I don't know, you could recreate that, Like there's 250 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:01.279 just something about it, I don't know, from that time period, 251 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.120 the way that they captured it originally, Like that's the 252 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:09.759 most visceral first impression of that sort of horrifying event, right, 253 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.600 And it's like anything else would just feel like it's 254 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.960 recreating that, So it feel a little bit lesser than 255 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:14.919 or something. 256 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:18.919 That's well, it's funny. I interviewed Kimberly Pierce about the 257 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.840 film and my recollection is one of the things I 258 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:27.279 discussed with her was how that scene it plays differently 259 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:30.919 because it's the way the blood spatters on her face, 260 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:35.240 it almost feels like like a mask. Mmmm. And I 261 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.759 was like, it feels like it's framing it very differently. 262 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:45.320 You know, it becomes like like like a superhero identity 263 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.679 almost you know. Oh interesting the way the mask play, 264 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.960 you know. And and and I think I think she 265 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.039 said something to the effect of, you know, having to 266 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.960 do something different, you know, because the diploma one is 267 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.679 so iconic, uh you know that said I I don't. 268 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:04.399 I mean they've tried, They've done multiple like a new 269 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:06.799 attempt at Carrie. It's weird how they keep going back 270 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:11.399 to that because they did a like a TV remake, right, 271 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.919 they did the Kimberly Pearce remake. They did a sequel. 272 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:15.559 I mean, they keep going back to that. Well, and 273 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.200 I think partly it's because MGM, they you know, they 274 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.639 have like like eight ips that they just keep keep 275 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:22.440 digging up, you. 276 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:27.360 Know, yeah, right right, And it is a compelling idea. Yeah, 277 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:30.440 you know, this this poor you know, high school student 278 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.519 and then she's got this secret rage inside. And you know, 279 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:36.840 I can see why that's so compelling. But that was 280 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:38.600 the sequel, The Rage Carrie too. 281 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:39.240 Do you remember that? 282 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.440 Oh that's right, Yeah, I remember the like the video 283 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:44.639 store box of it. 284 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:46.799 Yeah, yeah, I've not seen the movie, but I remember 285 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:47.399 it existing. 286 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:49.559 Yeah, I would be kind of curious to watch the 287 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:51.879 remake just to because it's fresh in my mind and 288 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.559 just sort of see a later interpretation of it. 289 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:57.639 Yeah. I mean it doesn't embarrass itself, I would say, 290 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:00.759 but it doesn't make itself essential either, Like doesn't in 291 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:04.840 my opinion, it doesn't say anything new that that absolutely 292 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.559 was was just you know, desperate to be said, you know, interesting. 293 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.559 I guess that's kind of rare, right when that does happen, 294 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:17.000 when the remake improves it or it takes over the Yeah, 295 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:18.519 it's a short list. 296 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:21.200 Yeah, well one more and then the next thing I 297 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:24.039 saw we have overlap. But I just wanted to throw 298 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.919 out that I saw the movie The Housemaid, Ah, yes, 299 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:30.720 which was kind of a hit. I think around the holidays. 300 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.480 Aren't they doing a sequel now? I think so. 301 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.639 I guess it's a book series following the adventures of 302 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:43.039 this character. So this is the Electric Boogaloo, Yes happening. 303 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:43.759 I'm excited. 304 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:47.399 Yeah, but yeah, this is with Sydney Sweeney, Amanda Seyfried 305 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:49.039 and Brandon's glinn r. 306 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:52.279 Is that say his last name? Yeah? That guy man, 307 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:54.559 he's he's all over these movies. Right, He's in the 308 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:57.720 the It Ends with Us too. 309 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:01.399 Right, Oh, okay, I didn't see that, but he I 310 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.159 know he was in the One Shoe. I already forgot 311 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:07.159 the title about the girl who's on the date and 312 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.600 she's getting the phone calls, you know, like the text 313 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:12.519 saying that she has to like kill her date. 314 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:16.840 Didn't we talk about this? I can't. I can't remember 315 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:18.519 if it was on the Bonus Show. 316 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.639 Or This makes me sad because I want to say trap, 317 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.519 which it isn't, and I also want to say fall, 318 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:25.279 which it isn't. 319 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:26.919 There you go, it's drop drop. 320 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:30.480 That could be like a fun sort of programming at 321 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.080 a theater, like these single you know, verbs or whatever. 322 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:35.960 You know. Of course, well, and he was in nineteen 323 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.919 twenty three. He was great at exactly which that. 324 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:40.799 It was the first time I saw him, and I 325 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.919 was like, oh, I like this guy. Yeah, And so 326 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.799 when he pops up, I'm immediately like, oh, I'm into this, 327 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.200 like I want to I like seeing him do his thing. 328 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:49.720 But so this this was. 329 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:51.879 A I don't know, it was just like in the 330 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:54.279 mood for this, like kind of like an airport novel 331 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:58.679 of a movie, you know, kind of pulpy sort of thing. 332 00:16:58.720 --> 00:16:59.799 And basically it's kind of. 333 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:04.880 And that rocks the cradle type deal right one. And 334 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.039 she plays Sweeney plays like a housemaid desperate for work. 335 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:10.920 She has a secret pass she needs to hide, so 336 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.839 she's hard to hire, and she becomes like a living 337 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:17.359 housemaid for this family that it first seems polished, but 338 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.599 then there's some mystery, mysterious things going on in there 339 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:25.920 and row but everybody's worlds turned upside down, and yeah, 340 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:31.160 it's it's it's a total like Friday night pulpy entertaining, 341 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:36.319 you know, kind of sexy, little violent fun Okay, And 342 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.319 I was I was just totally in the mood for 343 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:42.079 this and it delivered exactly what I like clicked on 344 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.000 it for. So just throwing that out there for anyone 345 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.880 who had some interest in it, well. 346 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.920 There we go. Yeah, all I I saw the ads 347 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.000 for this and I was like, oh, I was like, 348 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:55.640 I don't feel like going to the theater watch it, but like, 349 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:57.519 if it turns up on streaming, I might check it out. 350 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:01.319 But I just remember when it came out, it was 351 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.359 in the context of all all the the articles and stuff, 352 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:09.079 was like, you know, the Sydney Sweeney controversy, I should 353 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:12.000 put that in in air quotes. And I was like, 354 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.759 what Sydney Sweeney controversy? Like this is? This was kind 355 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.839 of reassuring to me that I'm not as very online 356 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:21.200 as I thought. Oh okay, yeah yeah yeah, because and 357 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:23.200 literally I was I was teaching this is because it 358 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:29.279 came out last fall, right, yeah maybe the holidays, I think, okay, yeah, 359 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.279 that's that's right. But like in that in that arena, 360 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:35.079 so I was teaching you know, media and society class. 361 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:39.359 So I'm like, can y'all explain the the what Sydney Sweeny? 362 00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:41.799 I was like, I don't. I don't have the energy 363 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:44.000 to look this up. Y'all tell me what's going on. 364 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.839 And I love the idea of you occasionally being like, guys, 365 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:49.559 I need you to teach me today. 366 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:50.920 I don't have the time for this. 367 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.480 And you like they get up, you know, to the 368 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:56.319 front and you take a seat, and they explained the Sydney. 369 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.519 Swee I mean basically, and it's all relevant given everything 370 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:03.079 that we talk about, you know, and and I It's 371 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:04.839 it's a lot. I'm not even gonna get into it, 372 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:07.240 but I'm just like, god, I'm like, everybody got too 373 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:10.559 much time on their hands. That's my that's my takeaway, 374 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:13.200 right right. Wait, actually I have a question. 375 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:16.200 So when you ask your students about this sort of thing, 376 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.119 what is their attitude about it? Are they a little like, ugh, okay, 377 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:22.880 so basically people have been talking about this. 378 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:25.599 Or are they like, oh, you won't believe it? 379 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:28.200 Like okay, hold on, and they draw you a diagram 380 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.920 on the chalkboard, you know, like, what's what's their sort 381 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:31.200 of ten? 382 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.480 It's a little both, to be honest, it's a little 383 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:37.559 and and just to be clear, I will never dismiss 384 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.119 or condescend towards whatever things that they feel very exercised about, 385 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.720 because I want to hear it. I'm genuinely interested. But 386 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:49.400 a lot of this, definitely, I feel like, you know, 387 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:53.200 this is very much an online furor that has no 388 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:57.200 bearing on any aspect of reality, you know, sure, sure, 389 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.240 And so you know, all of this comes down to 390 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:08.000 basically basically boiled down, it's Sydney Sweeney is maybe question 391 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:12.720 Mark a Trump supporter mm hmm. And that's what it 392 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:16.400 all comes down to, okay. And and so you've got 393 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.839 online people who are who are reading tea leaves and 394 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:23.880 you know, Charlie Day meming their way to trying to 395 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:26.839 find you know, connections, right. 396 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:29.640 Right, right, right, right right, referring to the meme of 397 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:31.759 Charlie Day with the strings and. 398 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:33.519 With the strings and the big peg board and stuff, 399 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.559 and and you know, at some level, I'm like, man, like, 400 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.920 I don't. I don't Sidney Sweeney has she doesn't affect 401 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.720 my life at all. I don't really care one way 402 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:46.519 or the other. I don't watch euphoria. I really truly 403 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:48.480 don't care about her political views one or the other, 404 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:53.119 you know, right, And it feels like there is sort 405 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:58.480 of uh, you know, it's it's weaponized outrage for the 406 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:06.279 sake of clicks that burnish uh, these these websites. Uh, 407 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:10.240 you know bottom dollar right, Sure, it's it's all. It's 408 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:12.640 a little bit of like, man, I'm not I'm not 409 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:16.160 playing this game, you know, sure, totally like I gotta 410 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:17.960 know about it. You know, I'll give you another example, 411 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:20.880 right I I I just yesterday, I don't know if 412 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:24.480 you saw this, h New York Magazine had a whole 413 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:28.240 long ass thing about speaking of it and so with us, 414 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:32.359 the whole the whole blake lively justin Baldoni thing mm hmm. 415 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:35.200 And I this is yesterday morning. I'm sitting here in 416 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:38.400 my cave drinking my chai and this article comes up, 417 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:40.799 and I'm like, okay, well, I'm I'm gonna be I'm 418 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:45.440 literally sipping the tea while I'm drinking. Yeah. It's a 419 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.799 it's a long thing, you know. And and my takeaway is, 420 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:56.440 like I I do think Justin baldoni is is a 421 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:01.119 strange guy. And I think that that's my that's my 422 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:05.559 overall view. But I also don't think Blake Lively distinguished herself, 423 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:10.400 particularly in how this all has been going down, you know, sure, 424 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:12.759 And so it is a little bit to me. I 425 00:22:12.839 --> 00:22:16.160 read this article and and you know, I have It's 426 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.559 like watching an episode of Dynasty or something. It's just 427 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.599 rich people right rush at each other and pulling their 428 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:27.920 hair and stuff, you know, right, But you know, I 429 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:30.799 remember when all of that was happening. This was Fall 430 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:35.759 of twenty four and again far it goes back that far. 431 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:38.200 I guess when the movie came out, right, okay, and 432 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:40.039 it was the same thing. People like again, I was 433 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:41.960 getting a lot of this from my students. Oh did 434 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.920 you hear Blake Lively? Blah blah blah. Oh, you know, 435 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:46.240 but justin Baldoni blah blah blah. And so for me, 436 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.920 that was very revelatory because it's not a story I 437 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.880 was following to any with any great interest, but just 438 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:56.400 from the folks who are who are living online and 439 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.680 how how they're interacting with this news and information and 440 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:02.880 how they're processing and how they're already choosing upsides, all 441 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:06.559 of that is very interesting to me, you know. But 442 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.400 it's a lot I would recommend reading that article though, 443 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:10.359 you know. 444 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:13.599 Yeah, that was a story I kind of hit the 445 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:16.000 eject button on because I think at first I was 446 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:19.119 following it a little bit, and then I was seeing 447 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.640 people who were very much on Baldoni's side, and then 448 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:25.440 I was seeing people who are very much against you know, him, 449 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:28.640 And it was and people were so sure of their 450 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.000 opinions on all of this that I was like, I don't, 451 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:35.839 I don't. I hit the button and I popped out 452 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:36.480 of my jet. 453 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:38.559 I think that's smart. I mean, that is in fact 454 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:45.079 the smartest approach. But he's definitely he seems really there's 455 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:49.960 just something off in terms of the way he interacted 456 00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:52.480 with her. Because all of the text messages, all this 457 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:55.359 laundry is just out there right, So the way he's 458 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:57.200 texting with her, I'm like, that's a weird way to 459 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:01.160 text somebody, see and got that deep You can read 460 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:03.799 all that and then and it talks about how the 461 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:09.680 nice Pool character in Deadpool and Wolverine was basically Ryan 462 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:13.599 Reynolds making fun of Justin Baldoni. I kind of remember 463 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:18.160 that reading about that, but I didn't like get it. Yeah, Well, 464 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:21.400 it's funny because because you go through this article and 465 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:24.759 it uses these specific data points and I was like, wow, 466 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:32.319 holy shit, that's like kind of hilarious, you know, But well, 467 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:35.319 I guess that's that thing Dan fun what's that? 468 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:35.680 Yeah? 469 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.519 Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, I guess it's that 470 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:42.359 thing done well, because if you get what he's doing specifically, 471 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:44.359 it's funny on a whole other level. But for me, 472 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:46.759 I didn't know what it was referring to, but it 473 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.000 still was a funny character. 474 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:54.000 Yeah, And knowing that it was, there was specific dialogue 475 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:58.880 he was given just to the you know, drive the 476 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:02.480 screw in a little like extra you know. Interesting anyway, 477 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.839 that's a lot. That's all of that is to say, 478 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.319 I have no you know, I don't really care about 479 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:09.000 that movie. I haven't seen it, and apparently they're doing 480 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.319 a sequel or good luck with that, as you know, 481 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.240 but just seeing the way these people because again it's 482 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.359 all in these text messages. So you have this very 483 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.799 expansive article that's that's doing a basically a TikTok of 484 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:24.200 the whole the whole drama from when it started up 485 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:29.839 to now, and it's like, man, rich people problems, right right, glad, glad. 486 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.240 I don't I don't move in those worlds, you know, Yeah, definitely. 487 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.559 So anyway, you didn't tell me what you thought of Housemaid, right, Oh, no, 488 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:38.079 I liked it. 489 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.880 Yeah, I just was in the mood for a I 490 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:42.559 don't even know how to describe it, Like I just 491 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:45.880 always think of like, yeah, like Airport novel, you know. 492 00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:50.640 Or like Lifetime movie energy Yeah, yeah, a little more. 493 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.119 Sophisticated in that, but like budget but you know, yeah, 494 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.440 like hand the Rocks the Cradle. You said that was 495 00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:59.720 the perfect cop I think when you said that, like 496 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:03.640 just that kind of domestic something weird is going on, 497 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:08.960 escalating tension, you know, what's the mystery that we don't 498 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:10.119 you know, it's. 499 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.480 Gonna be the big blow up at the end. Yeah, 500 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:14.880 and by the way. I don't even mean Lifetime movie 501 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.200 as a pejorative because my feeling is once you start 502 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:22.400 watching one of them, you will finish it. Oh sure, yeah. Yeah. 503 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:24.480 I've used this example many a time where I was 504 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:27.119 channel surfing past Lifetime and they had this. It was 505 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:32.160 called The Wife He Met Online? Right, And I remember 506 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.000 I'm sitting there and Amina was in the kitchen. I'm like, 507 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:38.279 this the Wife he Met Online? Too. I'm gonna watch 508 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.640 a few minutes of this, and then like ninety minutes later, 509 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:44.680 I'm like, what's gonna happen to the wife you met online? Yeah? Right, right, right, 510 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.519 she's gonna do you know? Well, by the way, it 511 00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:50.599 was directed by Paul fig Yeah, that's that's kind of 512 00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:53.519 a switch, right, right. He's had a very interesting career. 513 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:58.720 I mean he went from being Sabrina's high school teacher 514 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:05.240 to directing the Ghostbuster's remake and The Housemaid and Bridesmaids 515 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:10.440 and you know, Spy and The Heat, The Heat, yeah yeah, 516 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.160 and then the Simple Favor movies. 517 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.640 And yeah, it's it's it's. 518 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:17.960 Kind of cool, like he's carved out, like I like, 519 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:20.920 it's always a bummer when people get like boxed in, 520 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.160 like oh, you're the comedy guy, so you can't do 521 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.359 a thriller, but then it can. It makes me think 522 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.400 of Jordan Peel a little bit right where he's the 523 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.839 comedy guy Kem Peel and now he's he got to 524 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.559 make his horror movie and right out of the gate 525 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:34.799 he gets nominated for an Oscar and now he gets 526 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:36.400 to be comedy guy when he wants. 527 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:37.759 He gets to be horror guy when he wants. 528 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:40.559 And it seems like the kind of likes these thrillers, 529 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.359 but he also does comedy really well. 530 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:45.440 So yeah, but yeah, what about you? Well, speaking of 531 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.200 comedy real quick, I wanted to mention just a couple 532 00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:50.000 of days ago, Aman and I we went to San 533 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:54.400 Jose and we saw Josh Johnson perform oh at the 534 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.079 San Jose Improv So Josh Johnson, he's kind of he's 535 00:27:57.119 --> 00:27:59.039 like he's on the rise. He's one of these up 536 00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.200 and coming comedians. He's one of the Daily Show crew. 537 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:04.720 So he'll be hosting that show one, you know, a 538 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.359 week a month. Okay, I just looked him up. I yeah, 539 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.160 I recognize him. He's hilarious and every week on his 540 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.799 YouTube channel he has a brand new hour long set 541 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.200 that drops every week. Oh wow, it's extraordinary. I mean, 542 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.079 you know, the level of hustle it takes to coming up, 543 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:24.039 be coming up with material, and and you know, I 544 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:26.799 was this is like last fall. I'm and I was like, oh, 545 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:28.359 we should we should try to see him, you know. 546 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:29.880 And I just happened to look up. I was like, hey, 547 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.240 he's coming in May. Let's you know, and I'm locked 548 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.400 in the ticket. That was very grateful for that. It's 549 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.079 just he's hilarious and so I I want to like 550 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:40.039 put the word out. Check out his YouTube channel as 551 00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:45.200 Josh Johnson h hour long set drops usually I think 552 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:49.599 it's like every Tuesday night, okay. And and he's very funny, 553 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.519 very smart, you know. It's it's a it's a very 554 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.319 different style of comedy that I I really enjoy quite 555 00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.200 a bit. You know. He talks about current events, but 556 00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.039 he does it in a very wise way, very funny, 557 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:08.519 but with a lot of sophistication. Okay, you know, definitely 558 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:13.680 worth a look. I've also just recently, kind of on 559 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:18.160 a lark, I've started watching the show Gotham. 560 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.839 Yeah, it was on Fox, right, it was on Fox like. 561 00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:26.359 Twelve years ago. That's when it started. And we watched. 562 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.160 I remember we talked about it on this show when 563 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:31.079 it first started. We both kind of dipped after the 564 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:36.920 first few episodes. Yeah, and you know what I watched, 565 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:38.880 So Ben mackenzie, who stars on the show, he plays 566 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:43.720 Jim Gordon. I watched the documentary that he directed and 567 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.039 appears in called Everyone Is Lying to You for Money, 568 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.039 which is about crypto. Yeah. 569 00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.720 I've read that he's outspoken about that, but I haven't 570 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:54.400 seen anything. 571 00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:58.240 Yeah. Well, he's like before he got into acting, he 572 00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.400 studied economics, so you know, he's got the cred for that. 573 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:06.319 And so I saw that movie last in the last 574 00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.160 summer because I was coming here for the Mill Valley 575 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.079 Film Festival and I do I do show notes for 576 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.160 that and I loved it. And so now it's the 577 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:15.720 movie is getting ready to come out. So he's been 578 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:17.759 all over the place just making the rounds. I'm like, 579 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:19.720 you know, I mean, I just I like, I've always 580 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:21.839 liked Ben McKenzie, even on The O C which is 581 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.519 trash TV. He was good on it, you know. Yeah, 582 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:27.519 and on Southland, which is terrific, a terrific cop show. 583 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.480 And so I was like, I was just kind of 584 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.319 in the mood for something Batman related that I haven't seen, 585 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:35.079 and I was like, I'm you know, and I'm liking 586 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:36.559 Ben Mackenzie. I was like, let me give this show 587 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.160 a shot, you know, and and I'm like five episodes 588 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.599 deep and and so far, I have to admit, I am. 589 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.720 I am enjoying it as just kind of a crazy, 590 00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:53.240 weird take on the whole Batman universe that's just doing 591 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:58.559 its own thing. It's it's it's fun. I've been enjoying it, 592 00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:59.960 that's all. Isn't that funny? 593 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.839 Like sometimes it takes some distance maybe, right, Like I 594 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.400 mean I had that with The Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles, 595 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.079 Yeah right, yeah, where when it aired. I watched the 596 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.200 pilot and I just I don't know what it was, 597 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.799 but my brain rejected this network television take on the 598 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.720 Terminator story, right yeah. But then I mean mine was 599 00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.079 like decades later. I was just really thirsty for some 600 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.799 more Terminator stories and I watched it and it took 601 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.279 a second to calibrate to you know, it's what it 602 00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:34.400 was able to do with a network TV budget and whatever. 603 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:36.440 And it's what it was crying to do and what 604 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:37.200 it was trying to do. 605 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:38.960 But then I got really into it, and then I 606 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:40.960 was sad that it was only like a season and 607 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:41.599 a half. 608 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:42.200 Or whatever it was. 609 00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:46.079 So yeah, yeah, sometimes it just takes a little distance 610 00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:47.799 and then you can appreciate it for what it is. 611 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.680 That that was literally me where I was sitting there. 612 00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:52.680 I was like, you know, here's like a hundred episodes 613 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.720 of this Batman thing that I've never seen. Mm hm, 614 00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.920 you know. And so all that is to say, Mackenzie 615 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.599 as great as Jim Gordon, you know. And and in 616 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.079 my head canon, I see him as becoming the pat 617 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:15.359 Hingle Jim Gordon, and that makes me laugh. It's just 618 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:17.920 so hard to you know, because now we think of 619 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.799 Jim Gordon as kind of this badass cop and I 620 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.559 would say Gary, yeah, yeah, you know so, but but 621 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.839 I see it as no, no, that's that's the pat 622 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.519 Hingele Gordon. And so the journey and I guess there 623 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:31.720 is going to be fascinating, you know, it's really funny. 624 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.000 And then and then I here's something we both saw 625 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:43.000 a little documentary about Lorne Michaels called appropriately Enough Lorne. Yeah, 626 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:44.839 and and I was watching this and and I was 627 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:46.680 as I was watching it, I was thinking of you 628 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.359 to some extent because I was like, I, I know, 629 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:50.599 we plug into this stuff in the same way in 630 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:55.759 that we are we are we are SNL aficionados mm hmmmmm, 631 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.279 total nerds for it, very very much so, right, And 632 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:03.519 And one thing I do think about is I don't 633 00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:05.720 know how big of a demographic that is, Like I 634 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:10.200 don't know the cultural weight that SNL has with like 635 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.440 kids these days, you know, right, right, And I do 636 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.960 I do think about that, and so so for for 637 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:22.599 a documentary like this, it it and I want to 638 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.440 hear your thoughts. I was like, a lot of this 639 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.640 I already know because I've imbibed so much SNL history, 640 00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:32.400 But I was delighted by the new nuances that were 641 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:36.119 illuminated and just seeing all the people that are interviewed, 642 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.480 and really painting a portrait of a guy who who, 643 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:43.720 I think, just in terms of what this show represents, 644 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:48.559 is a very seminal important figure in TV history, you know. 645 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:54.279 Yeah, and who's still somehow kind of mysterious exactly yeah, 646 00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:57.680 you know, even seemingly to the people who are work 647 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:02.119 very closely with him. Right, So, any new information you 648 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:04.880 get about this guy is always kind of fascinating because, 649 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.319 like you said, I mean, he is just like a 650 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:10.679 seminal figure in comedy for like fifty plus years or 651 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:15.360 whatever it is, you know, so it's he remains intriguing, 652 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.599 I know, certainly to us, and I agree with you. 653 00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:19.159 This was. 654 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:23.679 A documentary. They showed it in theaters. You and I 655 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.920 both saw it in a theater about thirty or forty 656 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:28.880 minutes in. I actually thought like, oh, this could have 657 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.559 been like a peacock. Absolutely sort of. 658 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:34.599 It feels like, just as a courtesy to Lorne, they 659 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:35.679 put it in theaters. 660 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.840 Yes, so you know, I actually I don't think it's 661 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.480 out anymore. So I'm just what I'm saying is, if 662 00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.119 you did wait for it to stream somewhere, you know, 663 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:49.960 that would be just fine. But at the same time, 664 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:54.639 I would say past the halfway mark, even though it 665 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:56.360 did cover a lot of ground that you and I 666 00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:01.440 already know, then they give you a really great behind 667 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.679 the scenes glimpse of Lorne overseeing an episode. 668 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.800 That was my favorite portion of that. 669 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.719 That's what made it all worth it to me, because 670 00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.440 we don't have a lot of that. I mean, one 671 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.199 of the best examples we have so far is that 672 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.880 James Franco directed documentary that he. 673 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.119 Made, right, that's right. 674 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.239 Yeah, where he literally just had like a cam quarter 675 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.360 and he filmed a week of SNL and he got 676 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.679 to wander into the writer's rooms and see what they're 677 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:36.400 up to and the table. Thanks thanks to that documentary, 678 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:40.480 we have some record of the great never Filmed Empire 679 00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.400 carpet sketch with John Malkovich. Yeah, he's playing or he's 680 00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.800 singing the five eight eight two three hundred. 681 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.280 Like over and over and over again the director. 682 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:59.559 Yeah, but like that kind of intimate behind the scenes stuff. Surprisingly, 683 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.880 we don't have a ton of it. Yeah, right, And 684 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:05.800 so this documentary Lorne I thought was really valuable because 685 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.000 it gave us more of that and then a better 686 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:11.440 you know, video quality, you know, right, And so we 687 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.800 actually get to see a Ryan Gosling episode behind the 688 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:18.079 scenes of it, and we see Lorne, you know, you 689 00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:22.000 always hear he watches the episodes under the Bleachers, and 690 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.639 so I knew that that happened, and sometimes he was 691 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.159 happy and sometimes he was frustrated. But we actually get 692 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.519 to see it now and you hear I don't remember 693 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.320 who it is, but one of the cast or someone 694 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.800 is like, yeah, when he's frustrated, he starts. He's next 695 00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:35.719 to like an ice bucket with with drinks in it, 696 00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.079 and if he gets mad, he. 697 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:37.800 Throws the ice. 698 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.199 And so hearing that, I was like, oh, that's fascinating. 699 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.400 But then they actually show it, like you see him 700 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.920 watching something and people are either flubbing lines or the 701 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.000 timing's not working, and he picks up the ice and 702 00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.679 just throws it, and you're like, oh, like well. 703 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:52.880 And yeah, and Seth Myers talks about how like you 704 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:56.960 knows he's upset when he goes yeah, and we just 705 00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.400 we just have this montage of him doing that. Yeah. 706 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.280 And so then seeing him which is we know that 707 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.960 any Gosling episode is a good one, right, Like these 708 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:11.000 are like beloved, right, But it's fascinating watching he's we 709 00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:14.079 should say, he's watching the dress rehearsal, not the actual 710 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.800 episode that aired, but he's frustrated and it's not going 711 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:18.480 the way that he'd like it to go. And so 712 00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.719 then after the dress rehearsal, we get to see him 713 00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:26.159 sit on the stage and like address the troops basically, 714 00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:30.119 which was interesting to me because these are you know, 715 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:35.280 big comedy superstars of this moment, right, Like, so we 716 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.599 think of them as these big like titans of comedy 717 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:38.920 in a certain sort of way, or at least in 718 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:42.559 their arena. And they look like high school students that 719 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:46.480 are being like lectured by their principal because they've let 720 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.159 him down, right, And it was really interesting to see. 721 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:53.039 I almost felt myself kind of cowering also, just sort 722 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:55.760 of like, oh, this is an uncomfortable feeling. But then 723 00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:59.559 he lets them know he's disappointed. But then he rallies 724 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:02.719 the troops and he's like, but you're the you're the best, 725 00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:03.159 you know. 726 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.400 Yeah, yeah, it was. 727 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.400 It was a fascinating glimpse and I for me, that 728 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.400 made it completely worth it. And all the stuff that 729 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:13.360 they retread a little bit is still great. 730 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.280 It is and and you know the thought I had 731 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.440 watching it, I well, well, two thoughts. Number one, you 732 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:23.559 get you see all these people interviewed from across the 733 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.920 last fifty years, right yeah, so you get your your 734 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.719 Mike Myers, and then you get your you know, Chevy's 735 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.800 and Chevy's interviewed in there, right yep, you know, and 736 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:35.360 then up to now and recent you know, and you 737 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.320 at one point you've got you know, Mulaney and Bill 738 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:41.159 Hayter and Fed Armisen sitting around a table, and first 739 00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:42.920 of all, I'm like, what, man, I'd love to just 740 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.039 be sitting at that table, right, yep. Ye A Conan 741 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.400 is interviewed, and you're like, every single one of these 742 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:52.280 people Lorne Michael sprinkled fairy dust on their life. Yeah, 743 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.239 you know, and and like and Conan has said as much, right, 744 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.320 I mean, I mean, like, here's a guy literally think 745 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:02.000 about that one. One day he's he's one of a 746 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.679 dozen Simpsons writers, having briefly worked at SNL, and then 747 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:11.719 and then he's hosting you know, he's replacing Letterman and 748 00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:16.119 and and here's a career that is still going, you know. Yeah, yeah, 749 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:18.960 and where would he be if not for Loren Michaels 750 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.719 When it came to the Late Late Night Show? He 751 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.719 was like, how about Conan? Mm hmm. And that's it, 752 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:28.360 you know, so all of these people he's affected, and 753 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.199 so he has he has shaped a a half century 754 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:33.599 of comedy, and as a result, he will shape the 755 00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:36.719 next half century, even if he's not around for it. Yeah, 756 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:39.599 that's a good point. And then that made me, you know, 757 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.400 and mulaney has has an interview where he talks about 758 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:47.719 that realization of like like Lauren's not going to be 759 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.639 around forever, you know. And and I had that realization 760 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.599 earlier in the film where you see him as you know, 761 00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.000 you know, we contrast his his earlier era, his pre 762 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.039 SNL era. But he even like during the early days 763 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.280 of SNL where he's the young guy, he's the you know, 764 00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:08.880 Gabriel LaBelle and in that Rightman movie, right m And 765 00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:11.039 then now he's you know, he's an eighty year old man. 766 00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:13.840 He's shuffling around and you're like, man, you know, time 767 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.760 comes for us all, you know, yep, And and and 768 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.480 what what is SNL without Lorne Michaels what you know? 769 00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:26.000 We we they've they tried that before, yes, and it 770 00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.840 didn't work, you know. Yeah, And you know, I don't 771 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:30.719 remember who says it. It may have been Milleni. 772 00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:36.039 People are always wondering if he'll retire, and someone says, no, 773 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:41.199 he won't leave because he's from another time. This SNL, 774 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.559 what they do, how they do it is from another time, 775 00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:44.679 and he's the protector. 776 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.840 Yeah of that. And I thought that was kind of fascinating, 777 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:53.679 like yeah, I mean, it's it's I mean, there is 778 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:57.559 that Like I had that that realization, like, well, he's 779 00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.239 gonna be gone at some point and and whatever happens, 780 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:02.199 it's going to be different. 781 00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:02.320 Right. 782 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.760 It's a bit like like there's going to be more 783 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:10.320 James Bond movies, right, But what those movies were and 784 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:15.119 what they represented is over forever, sure, and that makes 785 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.440 me sad. And SNL post Lorne Michaels is going to 786 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:18.280 be the same, you know. 787 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.239 Yeah, And I think that's what I love about what 788 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.599 it is now is they find ways to have the 789 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.440 humor represent the moment and find cast members who represent 790 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.199 the moment. But there's still that sort of old school 791 00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.400 variety show charm that's never gone away from it, that 792 00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:40.360 keeps it from being like the hip modern show. But 793 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.639 that's what makes it so special. I agree, Yeah, you know, 794 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:45.159 the combination of all those things. 795 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:48.960 Last night's episode, first of two things, I didn't know 796 00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:50.480 who was hosting it, and I happened to turn to 797 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.159 tune in. They do like a live stream of the 798 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.480 monologue on YouTube, and I reached that point where I'm like, 799 00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:58.039 I don't know who that is Olivia Rodriguez. It was 800 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.679 Olivia rodrigu Yeah, yeah, no idea who she was. But 801 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:04.440 SNL did give me the thing I've been waiting more 802 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.440 than a year for which was as He's I'm sorry, 803 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.039 as Cash Battel. Yes, that's all. I've only seen the 804 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.119 opening sketch so far. I was like, if SNL does 805 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:19.719 not get Tom Haverford to play Cash Battel, that will 806 00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.639 be malpractice. So I was very happy about that. There's 807 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.880 a very funny sketch. It's another Ashley Padilla showcase. You 808 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.760 got to check it out. It's it's called like the 809 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:30.920 X or something like that. 810 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.840 Okay, yeah, I mean that's my plan. Later today, I'll 811 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.519 have my coffee and watch that. And by the way, 812 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.519 I caught a little bit of the movie Good Fortune Again, 813 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.440 which was written directed by Azi's and stars him and 814 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.440 Seth Rogan and Kanu Reeves. That's just a fun, charming 815 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.079 little movie. And so I know I talked about it 816 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.079 before and said that it was good, but I'm just 817 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.199 reminding people, like, if you haven't seen that, that is 818 00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.599 a great little rental. I think they just don't make 819 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:03.199 them like it is streaming at this point. Yeah, I 820 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.239 think sadly. I saw it in the theater and by 821 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:06.719 the time I talked about it on the show, it 822 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:07.559 was already streaming. 823 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.199 It was one of those that was what happened. 824 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:11.880 Yeah, yeah, but that's just a it just feels kind 825 00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:16.239 of like an old school wish fulfillment comedy and Counta 826 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:20.920 Reeves is so perfectly utilized in that movie. 827 00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:23.480 It's just it. I liked that movie a lot, So 828 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:27.400 just re recommending that there we go, moving on. Hey, 829 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:37.480 we got some headlines Brian extract of a little bit 830 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.079 of sad news just to start things off. But I 831 00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:41.840 did want to mention that Jerry Conway has passed away 832 00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:47.079 legendary comic book and television writer. Certainly as far as 833 00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:51.679 my life growing up as a comic book fan and 834 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:57.320 a procedural television fan, my many fandoms have been touched 835 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.360 by his work. He had legendary on The Amazing Spider Man. 836 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:05.679 He actually after stan Lee, he was he had the 837 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.760 longest run after stan Lee during that initial era. He 838 00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:12.000 broke into comics at age nineteen, if you can Wow, 839 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.360 and by the time he was in his early twenties 840 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.400 he had created The Punisher, Oh Wow. And he wrote 841 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:25.119 the story that saw Gwen Stacy killed off, one of 842 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.440 the most iconic Spider Man stories, and it was adapted 843 00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:32.559 on the screen in Amazing Spider Man two, and in 844 00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:36.760 addition to that, he created a character called Firestorm from DC, 845 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.079 which I'm sure you can picture him in your head, 846 00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:46.760 and just really an incredibly diverse body of work at 847 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.119 both DC and Marvel, and then later he wrote for 848 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:51.719 the Transformers animated television series. He wrote for Law and 849 00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.960 Order in television, he wrote for Criminal Intent. He was 850 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:59.079 seventy three years old, died of paint creatic cancer. Seventy 851 00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:06.239 three is to yeah, and what what really, you know, 852 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:07.960 it really gets to me is that just a few 853 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.920 months ago, I was down in LA visiting you, and 854 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.199 I happened to see a notification that there was he 855 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:20.519 was doing a signing right, you know, maybe maybe about 856 00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:22.800 an hour or so from where you live, and they 857 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.320 build it as his last signing. And I didn't give 858 00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:27.840 too much thought about it, but I was like, oh, 859 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.199 I wish I had brought something. It would have been cool, 860 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.760 you know, to have that opportunity, and then just kind 861 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.800 of left it at that. And then you know a 862 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:40.280 few months later, we get this news. Yeah, you know 863 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.159 this is you know, I was having this discussion with 864 00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:48.719 my brother just yesterday that the comic book creators the 865 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:53.760 Legends of our lifetime are slowly but surely leaving us, 866 00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.159 and that that's very much the case when you look at, 867 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.360 you know, somebody like Jerry Conway, who was you know, 868 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.119 kind of a boy wonder and so you know, he 869 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:08.840 was relatively young while producing just just a mammoth body 870 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:11.599 of work. And it makes me deeply sad not only 871 00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:13.880 to see him gone, not only to know that he 872 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:15.880 will no longer be creating work, but also what it 873 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.079 represents in terms of, you know, these these legends who 874 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:20.639 are leaving. 875 00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:26.840 Yeah, yeah, man, I mean, it's it's funny. I had 876 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.440 so many thoughts as you were talking about him. One 877 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:31.199 brought me back to what we were saying about Paul 878 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:34.280 fig where it's like he gets to do the comedy thing, 879 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.119 he gets to do the sort of thriller thing he 880 00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:37.719 gets to It's kind of nice how. 881 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.239 He hasn't been put into a box. 882 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.159 And it's amazing that Conway like got to do these 883 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.519 iconic comic book stories, but he also wrote for procedurals 884 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.840 in law and order, and like he just all the 885 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.199 things in his imagination. The way that he got to 886 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.239 express them and let them out, that's really awesome. 887 00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:00.000 Yeah. And and as I sit here recording with you 888 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:02.239 glance to my right and I look at my shelf 889 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:05.360 and there's just a shelf full of Spider Man comic 890 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.639 books that he wrote. And you know, there is something 891 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.719 to be said for the idea that his work will 892 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.800 live on as long as these characters exist. You know, 893 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:18.760 the Disney Plus has a brand new Punisher special dropping 894 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.199 in just a few weeks as we're recording this, and 895 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:26.840 you know that character is certainly as iconic as the 896 00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.159 top tier Marvel characters. And he sprang from from Jerry 897 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.280 Conway's imagination, right, he will be missed. A true, a 898 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:40.239 true legend. Yeah, here's some other news, Brian, while we're 899 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.960 talking about comic books. It's a story that began its 900 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:47.519 life as a comic book, right, and it might just 901 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.239 be comingto the screen. This felt like a prank to 902 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.119 me almost. It hasn't. 903 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.679 The most recent Quentin Tarantino news in the last year 904 00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:00.760 or so. All felt like April Fool's Day sorts of jokes. 905 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:06.480 Well, any Tarantino news that doesn't involve him running roughshod 906 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:12.679 over random character actor, Yeah, random actors he despises is 907 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:18.360 a win. So this is reported by Deadline last week, 908 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:20.519 and it says that Sony Pictures moving forward with a 909 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:24.400 most intriguing movie mashup. The studio has set Academy Award 910 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:28.480 winner Brian Helgeland, he of La Confidential Fame, to write 911 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.960 Django Zoro for a big screen continuation of a story 912 00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:34.559 that was hatched in a seven issue crossover comic book 913 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.519 series co written by Quentin Tarantino and Matt Wagner published 914 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.719 by Dynamite Entertainment. The comic was published back in twenty 915 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.199 fourteen is considered maybe the closest Tarantino might come to 916 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.599 a sequel in the continuation of the adventures of the 917 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.239 slave turned bounty hunter played by Jamie Fox in the 918 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:51.639 twenty twelve film Jango and Change. Tarantino directed that film 919 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:53.360 but won't helm this one, though. I understand that this 920 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.920 film has his blessing to move forward at Sony, where 921 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.800 he's expected to make his final film as a director. 922 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.119 And you know what I mean with the April fools 923 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.119 Day thing, because the last thing I'm thinking of is 924 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.679 the Adventures of Cliff Booth. 925 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:08.880 That certainly felt like an April fools thing. 926 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:10.119 Right where it's like, oh, there's going to be a 927 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.719 sequel to Once upon a time in Hollywood, and Tarantino's 928 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:14.800 gonna write it, but David Fincher's going to direct it, 929 00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.159 and it's going to be on Netflix, and like what 930 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.039 like I just did not compute, but in that news 931 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.159 did drop on April Fool's Day, I think because everyone 932 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.639 thought it was a joke, it turns out it was real. 933 00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:28.679 Then here we go, We're getting a Django sequel that 934 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.440 he is not going to even participate in but has 935 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:34.920 his blessing. That just feels, I don't know, it seems 936 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.280 like he is very precious. 937 00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:37.920 About his world. 938 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.639 Yeah, you know that he's created, and so it's interesting 939 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:44.760 that he's allowing these other people to create stories in them. 940 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.159 I guess just to keep him away from making accidentally 941 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:49.880 making movie number eleven or something. 942 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:55.239 I were weirdly benefiting from that. Yeah, yeah, right, which 943 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.280 I've been saying for a while. He needs He is 944 00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:59.320 so far up his own asshole when it comes to that. 945 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:02.800 I like, oh, no, I'm on the making ten all right, 946 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:07.440 really stop. But but you know, for for years and years, 947 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.519 for decades, they had talked about doing the Vega Brothers. 948 00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:13.039 Do you remember that m m Yeah, which would have 949 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:17.039 teamed Michael madd since Vic Vega with John Travolta's Vincent Vega, 950 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.400 but of course even before Michael Madson passed away. I mean, 951 00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:26.880 just time had worked against that movie existing because Vincent dies. 952 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.800 You know, yeah, right right, you know that's a problem, 953 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:33.440 so you had to do it within a certain amount 954 00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:38.159 of time. I forget what happens to Vic? Is he 955 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:40.880 alive at the Reservoir Ducks. I have not watched that 956 00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:43.480 in so long, That's what I'm saying. It's been it's 957 00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:44.239 been decades since. 958 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.239 I think most people do not make it out alive 959 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:46.960 of that movie. 960 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.400 That's my memory. It's it's been a very long time. 961 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:55.320 But regardless, the window closed on that. And I think 962 00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:58.159 to your point, like he's so like, no, I have 963 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.840 to be very specific about my projects. So I think, 964 00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:04.840 you know, had had the timing been different, the Vega 965 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.960 Brothers would have been made by somebody else with his blessing. 966 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:11.039 That's kind of my point. And that's what it feels 967 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:14.280 like the Cliff Booth, which I am super excited to 968 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.000 see me too, Yeah, I love that world, all right, 969 00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:21.519 So this I'm like, man pour it into my veins? 970 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:22.239 Are you kidding me? 971 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.840 I mean, not only did I ever think we'd get 972 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.079 a Django sequel, period, a Jangle sequel, not even from 973 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.800 Tarantino himself, period, but Django teaming up. 974 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.280 With Zoro, Like I just knocked me up. 975 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.079 Yeah, it was not on my bingo card, but that 976 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:41.480 is exactly the kind of thing I'd like to watch. 977 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.880 Yeah, and Helgelind, who is a very talented director in 978 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:50.159 his own right, I would love to see him take 979 00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.320 it on. I mean he's writing it at the moment, 980 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.079 but you know he did Payback, which is terrific. Did 981 00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:05.039 Payback run Away? Did Braveheart run Away? Did Payback run Away? 982 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:06.800 You know? It's funny. 983 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.000 This just makes sense to me and feels like the 984 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:14.639 natural next evolution where how many more things can we remake? 985 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:16.239 You know what I mean? 986 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.719 Like, how many times can we keep remaking certain movies 987 00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:21.559 over and over again? So at this point, I think 988 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.039 we're entering the like, Okay, I think everything that can 989 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.559 exist already exists now, so let's just throw it in 990 00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:28.480 a blender together and see what happens. 991 00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.599 You know what I mean? Man, So like me, give 992 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:36.719 me Jango Transformers next exactly. That's exactly what I mean. 993 00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.079 And it's funny because I mean this reminds me. 994 00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.400 It feels like speaking of Sony, Actually, maybe they were 995 00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:43.960 ahead of the curve several years back when they were 996 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.559 going to make the twenty one Jump Street meets Men 997 00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:50.280 in Black movie. Yeah, that's right, which sounded crazy at 998 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:55.480 the time but also intriguing to me. And now I 999 00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.400 feel like that seems less crazy and more likely we're 1000 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.079 more likely to see something like that happened, you know, 1001 00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:03.920 because they've tried to reboot Men in Black and it 1002 00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.480 didn't work. So just why not just then take Men 1003 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:08.360 in Black and then. 1004 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.119 Stick it awkwardly. 1005 00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:13.079 To some other property that Sony owns, you know, like 1006 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:15.000 let's I don't know, let's see how that goes. 1007 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:19.079 So I mean, there is a very long way before 1008 00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:24.400 this goes, you know, it gets to anywhere shooting ready, 1009 00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.920 but I will certainly be monitoring this. Yeah, no, I'm 1010 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:29.519 totally into it. 1011 00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:32.480 I mean, we've been watching the Zoro movies for our 1012 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.000 commentaries in the past couple of years, and revisiting them 1013 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.960 is really you know, made me want to watch more Zoro. 1014 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:43.119 So what I'm saying, bring it, bring it on, totally, 1015 00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.400 bring it on. What can we bring what can we 1016 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:54.519 bring it on? Maybe seven I'm definitely down for that. Yeah. 1017 00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:56.679 Yeah, they have to track down a serial killer before 1018 00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:58.199 they get to their cheerleading competition. 1019 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:04.639 You know what pitch it. It seems like they're they're 1020 00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:08.719 up for anything these days. Yeah, this is Sony in 1021 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.559 the aftermath of all those Spider Man spin offs not 1022 00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:14.760 not doing anything. This is this is sort of their 1023 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.760 their desperation turned. They're like, Okay, well what what what 1024 00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:25.039 cinematic universe can we build? Yeah, some somehow, somehow we're 1025 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:30.199 gonna end up getting Django Zoro because Madam Webb tanked. Yes, yeah, 1026 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.840 you can trace it back. That's Those are the multiversal 1027 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:35.840 strands that we're living living in right now. 1028 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.400 You know we we used to like kind of dunk 1029 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:41.920 a little bit on Sony for a time, but like 1030 00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:46.079 they really are in this moment where we're thinking about 1031 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:50.159 the importance of theater going. Yeah, you know, that has 1032 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:53.920 been a big priority for them, and so I think 1033 00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:55.480 that's commendable. 1034 00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.920 Well, a couple things when it comes to Sony Number one, 1035 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:03.920 you know, the head headed by Tom Rothman who was 1036 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:09.039 at Fox right before and and he was sort of 1037 00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:13.239 notorious during his Fox era for being really stingy with 1038 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:19.559 the budgets, and that mentality may have ended up benefiting 1039 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.119 him more at Sony m M. Yeah, you know, sort 1040 00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:27.320 of keeping the budgets tight and diversifying your portfolio so 1041 00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:31.000 to speak, allows for you able to take more swings 1042 00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:37.320 with less, like you know, do or Die releases, you know, right. 1043 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.679 And the other thing is that in the streaming wars, 1044 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.960 Sony very smartly said, we're just going to be an 1045 00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:47.800 arms dealer rather than trying to start our own thing up. 1046 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:49.960 And so I think that, I mean, I mean, look 1047 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:51.920 at the it's it's I mean, we're headed towards a 1048 00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.079 bloodbath when it comes to streaming services, just dropping left 1049 00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.360 and right, you know, I know, I know, I think 1050 00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:00.280 that's just a matter of time. We're gonna have a 1051 00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:03.559 Spirit Airlines situation where people are just gonna log into 1052 00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:07.679 Peacock and be like, sorry, Peacock doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. Yeah, 1053 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:10.360 it wouldn't be surprised. At some point Peacock is losing 1054 00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:12.880 like half a billion dollars a year. 1055 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:17.000 Yeah, I remember hearing that like years back. I mean, 1056 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:21.679 it hasn't improved, you know. Yeah, And it's tough because 1057 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.239 I know, you know, they have that Ted show and 1058 00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:26.840 it's funny. It's this weird double edged sword where they 1059 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:28.159 have Ted and I like Ted. 1060 00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:29.159 I've talked about it on here. 1061 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.800 But that show is so expensive to produce because Ted 1062 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.519 is a special effect in every episode, right, I think 1063 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.679 each episode costs around eight million dollars to produce, and 1064 00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:44.159 that's just not sustainable for them. However, it has been 1065 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.760 one of their most popular shows. It's garnered the most 1066 00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:52.960 minutes viewed for them. So what do you do? You know, 1067 00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:56.639 like if you're bleeding money, but that's the show people 1068 00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:58.719 are showing up for, but you can't afford to do it. 1069 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.440 I don't know it Just you're right, like Sony's playing 1070 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.039 the smart game right to just be like, hey, we 1071 00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:05.559 make this stuff, you deal, you know, we'll license it 1072 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.559 out to you and we don't have to worry about 1073 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.679 running and programming a whole streamer. 1074 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:15.599 Fundamentally, what this all illustrates is it's I mean, it's 1075 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.239 what I've been saying for goddamn more than ten years 1076 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:26.000 that the streaming arms race is not sustainable. Yeah, because 1077 00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:29.280 at some point you run out of potential subscribers and 1078 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.719 then how do you monetize, right, Right, So, looking at 1079 00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:36.119 Ted as one example, at some point you're going to 1080 00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:39.360 get all the Peacock subscribers you're gonna get, right, and 1081 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:44.199 that show just sits there and you have no way 1082 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.760 to make money off of it because it's too raunchy 1083 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:50.960 for network. And even if it weren't, there's not enough 1084 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:56.199 episodes to syndicate, right, you're actively choosing not to release 1085 00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:59.519 things on physical media. Yeah, I mean, I mean, you 1086 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:03.079 know what I mean. It's just the whole point, the 1087 00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:07.559 whole point of the TV economy was always we create 1088 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:11.199 the product and we allow for multiple revenue streams to 1089 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.320 continue making money off of it. And that's the system. 1090 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:17.519 That was the network model that's worked for decades, and 1091 00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:20.760 it worked just fine. It worked for everybody. Maybe not perfectly, 1092 00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:26.000 but it worked, right, What do you do here? You know, 1093 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:30.400 like Paramount has something similar going on, where, you know, 1094 00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:34.679 they've got all these Star Trek shows that they made 1095 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:38.760 are now gradually ending, you know, and at most they've 1096 00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:45.119 made sixty episodes and at least twenty episodes. What do 1097 00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:49.480 you do with those? You know? Right? Right? And those 1098 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:51.639 shows at least you have the opportunity to put it 1099 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.360 on physical because presumably you're going to get the Trek 1100 00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:58.159 Collectors or whatever. But again, their episodes are too long 1101 00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:04.239 to cut down for network or or linear airing. I'm 1102 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:06.960 just how do you make like just just dollars and cents? 1103 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:09.760 How do you make money off of this stuff? License 1104 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.679 it to Netflix? Ultimately, that's what is going to come 1105 00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.400 down to for a lot of this stuff, I think. Yeah, yes, 1106 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:20.920 I mean Sony has the Spider Noir television show. 1107 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:24.599 Yes, I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, very my friends 1108 00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:26.880 worked on that, had a vote worked on that really? 1109 00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:33.400 Okay, Yeah, yeah, that's of course the Nicholas Cage Spider 1110 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:36.760 Man character. This is a variant of him, but they're 1111 00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.000 doing in live action. Yeah, but it's it's all stylish 1112 00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:43.840 sin City looking. Yeah, it would be interesting, you know. 1113 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:47.880 But again, so Sony licensed it to a prime video 1114 00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:50.360 that's where it will be, you know. Yeah, smart way 1115 00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:55.599 to approach it. Speaking of making money, though, I thought 1116 00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.880 this was worth having a conversation about. But I feel 1117 00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:03.440 like some music should be playing ran just for old 1118 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:08.559 time sake. So The Mandalorian and Grogu is very shortly 1119 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:12.280 due to hit theaters less than a month. Wow, Okay, 1120 01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:15.280 we're like we're like sixteen days away as we record. 1121 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:18.960 This the first Star Wars movie in theaters since Rise 1122 01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:24.079 of Skywalker Wow, twenty nineteen, which is yeah, that's pretty banana. 1123 01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:31.079 So that is what are we looking at seven years? Yeah, right, 1124 01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:37.639 just about right, it's just about yeah, pre pandemic, pre pandemic. Obviously, 1125 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:42.199 there have been you know, just several several seasons of 1126 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:46.159 television dropped on Disney Plus since then, all of which 1127 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:49.880 have have certainly impacted the brand value of Star Wars 1128 01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.880 to varying extents. But here we go. Now we're testing 1129 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.760 the proposition that Star Wars is still bulletproof at the 1130 01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:00.119 box office. Yeah, it's going to be interesting. So this 1131 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:03.320 is a courtesy of Hollywood Reporter. If pre release tracking 1132 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:05.760 is right, the John Favora directed movie, a continuation of 1133 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.960 his Disney Plus series The Mandalorian, will open in the 1134 01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:11.480 eighty million dollar range at the domestic box office over 1135 01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:14.320 the long forty Memorialty weekend, according one source with access 1136 01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:16.559 to the data. That's in line with the expectations from 1137 01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:21.440 Lucasfilm and Disney. According to insiders, so eighty million dollars 1138 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:26.519 for a Star Wars movie. Now, first of all, I 1139 01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:32.000 should say that that eighty million could grow. Oh, absolutely sure, 1140 01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:35.119 you know, and I suspect that this is This is 1141 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.360 why I suspect that it will grow because I think 1142 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:39.840 I think once the marketing campaign kicks in, there's going 1143 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.000 to be a lit of like, I want to watch 1144 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:45.760 Star Wars in the theater again, totally, you know, and 1145 01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:48.280 they're obviously going to lean hard into all the all 1146 01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:52.119 the nostalgic you know, Oh, there's an atst and here's 1147 01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:54.199 a here's an X wing or whatever, you know, whatever, 1148 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.079 that's the stuff that's getting me. Yeah, well, exactly right. 1149 01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:01.239 And so my question to you you can look at 1150 01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:03.159 that number and be like, hey, all right, or you 1151 01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:04.880 can look at it and be like, well, stick a 1152 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:05.719 fork in this thing. 1153 01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.840 I think you have to realize that this isn't twenty 1154 01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:20.239 nineteen anymore. You know, A lot has changed. And Okay, actually, 1155 01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:22.119 just out of curiosity, I was like, what's the closest 1156 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:26.079 Star Wars comp for this right theatrically, which would be Solo? 1157 01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:26.320 Right? 1158 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.360 So I googled what did Solo open to at the 1159 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:32.199 box office? And what comes up this is Google AI 1160 01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:36.199 Overview Solo open to a disappointing eighty four million. 1161 01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:40.480 Yeah, that's kind. I was like, here's me pulling my collar. 1162 01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:45.920 I know, but this is in twenty eighteen, right when 1163 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.920 Star Wars was also solo, cost eleventy b jillion dollars. 1164 01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.599 Yes, they had a lot of crazy circumstances going on. Yeah, 1165 01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:57.400 I don't know what the budget is of Mandalorian and Grogu. 1166 01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:01.599 Hopefully they had expectations in mind a little bit, kept 1167 01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:06.159 things in check, but I don't know. I mean in 1168 01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:09.079 this day and age, I mean, what did Mario open to. 1169 01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:12.119 Oh, that's a good question. 1170 01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:22.079 Galaxy opening box office? Oh well, this is worldwide. Okay, 1171 01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:26.639 well it's probably not the best three Okay, well, one 1172 01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.199 hundred and thirty one million three day weekend in the 1173 01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:33.760 US domestic, domestic, worldwide, it's like almost like a third 1174 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:34.320 of a billion. 1175 01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:37.719 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. 1176 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.159 It's it's a It's an interesting thing to think about 1177 01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:45.119 because if there was any sort of guarantee twenty nineteen 1178 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.039 and before, it was that Star Wars was going to 1179 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:51.480 be a gargantuan opening. So now, no matter what on paper, 1180 01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:54.559 it's going to look disappointing. However, in the land, you know, 1181 01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:59.199 this changed landscape, maybe it will be a success. 1182 01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:03.360 It just looks different. Now right, So it has a 1183 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.760 budget of one hundred and sixty five million dollars. Okay, 1184 01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:08.039 I'm sure. 1185 01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:11.840 The others probably cost like two hundred plus three hundred 1186 01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:13.880 probably more, right. 1187 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:17.400 Well, I mean, the and the mindset was like, you know, 1188 01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.119 Star Wars is a license to print money, so just whatever, 1189 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:22.840 spend whatever you want to spend, which you know, we're 1190 01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:29.440 we're not living in that reality anymore. So yeah, I mean, 1191 01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:31.920 obviously this is going to come down to reviews and 1192 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:36.679 word of mouth and all of those things. But eighty again, 1193 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:41.679 I suspect that the projections will grow as the movie 1194 01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:44.480 gets closer. That's kind of where I'm at. I wouldn't 1195 01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.559 be surprised if it landed somewhere in the hundred million 1196 01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.320 dollar range when all of a sudden done, Okay, domestic 1197 01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:54.599 domestically opening weekend, and just for reference, Devilwar's product too 1198 01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:58.159 opened this weekend, and that opened at seventy seven million domestics, 1199 01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:03.039 which not bad. Yeah, but I don't think Devil is 1200 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.199 product to cost one hundred and sixty five million dollars. 1201 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:07.960 True, but just in terms of how many people are 1202 01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:12.400 showing up. Yeah, not thinking about company's bottom lines or anything, 1203 01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:16.239 but like yeah, audience. 1204 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:21.760 Anticipation, whatever, interest. These big brands aren't a sure thing anymore. 1205 01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:25.960 I don't even think Avengers Doomsday is going to open 1206 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:30.880 anywhere near end game levels. Sure, sure, right, so it 1207 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:33.960 is kind of a different reality. I'm curious though, And look, 1208 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:35.280 at the end of the day, I mean, I want 1209 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:39.039 Star Wars to do well, So I'm hoping. I'm hoping 1210 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:43.719 it's good more than anything, you know. And if it's good, 1211 01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:45.119 I wanted to do well. If it's not good, I 1212 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:45.719 don't really care. 1213 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:51.800 But you know, true because I but I do want 1214 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.920 Star Wars to endure. Yeah, you know, so, yeah, I 1215 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:58.280 don't want to see this be a thing where we 1216 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.280 see less of it moving forward. 1217 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:01.920 I'm with you. I'm rooting for it to be good 1218 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:07.159 and then I want more. Weirdly, though, I think Star 1219 01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.480 Wars would benefit from seeing less of it. 1220 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:12.920 Yeah, and I think it has in some ways. I 1221 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:18.199 guess the streaming has overpopulated a little bit. 1222 01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:19.039 Yeah, but. 1223 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:23.000 In the theaters, I mean, yeah, it's been a really 1224 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:24.719 long time, and I'm excited to go to a theater 1225 01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:25.880 to watch Star Wars again. 1226 01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:29.320 It's it's also very interesting, right, just from from like 1227 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.559 a merch point of view. I don't know if you've 1228 01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:37.880 you've noticed this, but there's been a pronounced pause on 1229 01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.840 anything Seql era related. Interesting. 1230 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.480 I haven't, but what do you mean, Like, like, if 1231 01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:48.840 there's a Star Wars display somewhere, they are now focusing 1232 01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:52.760 on other things. I'm seeing certainly more of a concentration 1233 01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:55.159 of original trilogy. And I suspect part of that is 1234 01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.280 because next year is the fiftieth anniversary, right A right 1235 01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:00.440 really drilled down on that, and I'll be said, there 1236 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.920 has been this reclamation of the prequels, right, and so 1237 01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:07.320 I'm starting to see a little bit of like, hey, 1238 01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:08.840 what about the sequels. 1239 01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:11.840 You know? And I'm like, man, you live long enough, 1240 01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:20.440 everything repeats itself, right, because the sequel era began with 1241 01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:22.639 trying to put as much distance between them and the 1242 01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:27.199 prequels as possible, you know, and all of this stuff. Yeah, yes, yesterday, 1243 01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:31.719 just last night at random, my daughter she's like, oh, 1244 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.079 put on the end of Revenge of the Syth. She 1245 01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:38.639 just loves that final fight between Anakin and Obi Wan, 1246 01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:41.760 and Revenge of the Sith is her favorite Star Wars. 1247 01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:44.840 That's the first one she saw in the theater. And 1248 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:46.800 I was thinking about how well there's plenty of kids 1249 01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:48.480 who the sequels is going to be their first Star 1250 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.639 Wars is and that's going to be their relationship. And 1251 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:54.039 so you know, all of this stuff eventually is it's 1252 01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:55.239 all going to come out in the wash, you know 1253 01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:59.400 what I mean, everybody's going to have theirs. However, what 1254 01:07:59.519 --> 01:08:01.440 I see a lot of right now is all these 1255 01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:06.599 various factions tossing shit at each other. Right, so it's 1256 01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:08.760 fun to just sit back and be like, let's wait 1257 01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.119 for the dust to settle here. I'm not rooting for 1258 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.559 any of it to fail because no, like he was saying, 1259 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:17.159 at the end of the day, it's Star Wars. I 1260 01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:21.039 enjoy it. But but man, uh, I think Disney's paying 1261 01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.720 the price right now for having just left that spigot 1262 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:27.600 on for so long with all those streaming shows which 1263 01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:31.279 just diluted the brand, like like like you wouldn't believe. 1264 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:35.039 Well, and now that you know, with Kathleen Kennedy stepping 1265 01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:37.760 down and Floony and you know, sort of taking over 1266 01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:44.439 the creative reins, I'm wondering what their ten year plan is, right, 1267 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:48.319 you know, I mean, this is interesting. We're basically getting 1268 01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:52.720 a TV movie, you know, in theaters, but right, But 1269 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:57.159 I mean, do they have a new trilogy in mind? 1270 01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:01.119 Do they have like some sort of big epic saga 1271 01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:04.640 that they're cooking up, and where would that take place? 1272 01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:05.600 Who would it involve? 1273 01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:08.840 Do you just try to start something completely fresh because 1274 01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:15.119 everything before theater wise has been you know, Skywalker adjacent, right, 1275 01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.600 So do you try to like continue to have some 1276 01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:20.640 sort of tether connected to that? Do you just do 1277 01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:23.279 like the wasn't it Mangold was going to do some 1278 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.199 sort of like ancient Jedi story. 1279 01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:28.720 Yeah, I mean that's a that's a that's a negatory 1280 01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:29.960 on that one. That's not happening. 1281 01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:33.359 Yeah, So I don't know, I mean it's I don't know. 1282 01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:35.760 I don't know, Like, I mean, all those stories could 1283 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:39.119 be amazing, but it doesn't guarantee that people are going 1284 01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:41.640 to get lit up about it and show up. 1285 01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.880 You know, like what do what do you want? 1286 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.800 It's like that the guy the test screening in the Simpsons, 1287 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:48.479 you know, when you showing the gene sketchy thing. 1288 01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:53.479 What do you kids want? You don't even know? Yeah, yes, 1289 01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:59.880 me crying, don't yell at us? I think you know, 1290 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:01.800 you know, who needs to ride to the rescue right now? 1291 01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:07.960 Obviously Ryan Johnson, right, that will go over like a 1292 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:12.199 lead balloon, right right, right is his trilogy, remember, which 1293 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.800 is like that, you know, one of many announced. That's 1294 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:19.239 the other thing Star Wars, Like, god damn, how many 1295 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:21.399 friggin things did they announce? Oh? 1296 01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:25.319 I know, the Game of Thrones. Guys, dude, man Gold Johnson. 1297 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:27.039 It's like, why did they do that? 1298 01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:30.760 Remember, there's going to be a Lando something with Donald 1299 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:33.640 Donald Glover, which apparently was written at some point, but 1300 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:34.960 I mean. 1301 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:41.000 It became a joke, you know, but then it not 1302 01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:44.880 that it couldn't be good. But again, like, what's the 1303 01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:45.760 ten year plan? 1304 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:46.159 Is it? 1305 01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:49.800 We're just going to do random stories that take place 1306 01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:52.279 in the Star Wars universe that are not necessarily connected 1307 01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:56.399 in different time periods, or do we try to focus 1308 01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.680 on I mean, with Starfighter, I wonder if that with 1309 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:02.520 right now Gossling starring in it. I'm sure they weren't like, oh, 1310 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:05.159 we'll make one of these and see what happens. It's like, no, no, 1311 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:06.039 I got a plan with Ryan. 1312 01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:09.319 Guy was about to say, I have a feeling that 1313 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:14.720 there are a lot of franchise hopes hanging around his shoulders, right, 1314 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.039 especially in the aftermath of Project Hill Mary doing what 1315 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:22.119 it did. Yeah, obviously that Ray movie, which I am, 1316 01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:24.439 I am looking forward to. I hope it happens. 1317 01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:29.560 I think it's a good idea. Yeah, Personally, I don't 1318 01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:33.319 know when I think those characters Oh sorry, sorry, not good, 1319 01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:37.079 No go ahead. I just think those characters got kind 1320 01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:40.159 of underserved, and I think there's more you could do 1321 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:42.119 with those characters, and hopefully they can come up with 1322 01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:45.039 something interesting and fresh and different. 1323 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.359 Right. Yeah, so a couple points right. Number one. The 1324 01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:51.720 thing with Star Wars that's great is that even if 1325 01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:55.680 the movie or the whatever it is that you've made 1326 01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:59.760 is not great, you have the opportunity to tweak it later. 1327 01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:01.760 And I don't mean tweak it like George Lucas tweaking 1328 01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:03.359 with the Special Atistance. I mean you just do another 1329 01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:07.600 story that adds context. Right, So the Clone Wars and 1330 01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:15.279 bad Batch added greater context to you know, the prequels, right, 1331 01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:20.840 the Mandalorian has set some things up that adds greater 1332 01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:27.000 context to the sequels. You can do a new movie 1333 01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:29.119 or series of movies with Ray and maybe the other 1334 01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:33.520 characters that allow, you know, things that felt undercooked in 1335 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:38.079 those three movies to feel more resonant or revelatory later, right, 1336 01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:41.159 So you always have that opportunity. That's the great thing 1337 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:43.560 about a tapestry, that's always unfolding. So I'm like take 1338 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:47.239 advantage of that. Now that being said, I think that 1339 01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:52.680 both Marvel and Star Wars have been severely diluted because 1340 01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:57.279 of just all these streaming shows, right. And my feeling is, 1341 01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.760 if you're doing a streaming series, it has to be 1342 01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:04.000 something distinct from what we expect out of a movie. Right. 1343 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:07.600 The whole selling point initially was, hey, you stream them, 1344 01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.039 you turn on your Disney Plus, It's like you're getting 1345 01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:16.640 something right out of the theater. Right. But that's bad actually, Right, 1346 01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:21.960 So Marvel is not helped by the Falcon and the 1347 01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:25.760 Winter Soldier streaming series, you get my point totally, Yeah, 1348 01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:31.279 Marvel is helped by wonder Man. Wonder Man. I think 1349 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:36.359 the WandaVision show was a perfect is different something. And 1350 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:38.439 by the way, even WandaVision they kind of shit the 1351 01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:42.239 bed at the very ending where it became just exploding, 1352 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.039 you know, throwing colored lights at each other. Right. Yeah, yeah, 1353 01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:49.000 so like but WandaVision conceptually, yeah, that's not something you're 1354 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:54.039 gonna get in a movie. Right, Star Wars and or right. Yeah, 1355 01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:57.600 that's something distinct and specific, and you would not do 1356 01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:59.279 that as a movie. So my point is you have 1357 01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:02.880 to serve different audiences. Yeah, that's the trick. And hope, 1358 01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:04.840 hopefully these guys are figuring this out. I shud say, 1359 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.720 by the way, this Darth Maul series. Have you been 1360 01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:10.880 watching this? No, My brother was just telling me about it. 1361 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.960 He started it. It is really good. Yeah, that's what 1362 01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:17.560 he was saying. Yeah, you will like it. It's very 1363 01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:21.960 very good. Okay, cool, Yeah, anyway, moving on. 1364 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:24.560 Yeah, well, actually real quick, just as long as we're 1365 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:27.039 talking about box office and that sort of thing and 1366 01:14:27.079 --> 01:14:28.600 how things have changed. 1367 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:32.119 It's also way real quick as we're recording this, it's 1368 01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:34.720 already a year ago that Thunderbolts was in theaters. And 1369 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:38.119 then wow, that is health right. 1370 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:41.319 In my mind the way that I think of that 1371 01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:45.760 movie and remember it, it feels sort of like Black Widow, 1372 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:47.840 where it was like maybe something that dropped on Disney 1373 01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:50.199 Plus or something that I watched and was pretty good, 1374 01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:52.880 but like I've kind of forgotten it, like it's it's 1375 01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:57.800 been lost to culture. You know, just kind of said anyway, sorry, 1376 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.920 go on, No, but I was just looking at box 1377 01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:02.920 office as they tend to do on Sunday mornings, and 1378 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:04.880 then I was just noticing, I mean, so many things 1379 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:07.840 are doing really well this year. I mean, Devil War's 1380 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:11.000 Prada open to two hundred and thirty three million worldwide 1381 01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:12.399 opening weekend. 1382 01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:14.039 That's huge. 1383 01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:18.840 Michael is almost at half a billion in its second week, 1384 01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:22.520 Mario Galaxy is at eight hundred million worldwide, Project tail 1385 01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:25.760 Mary six hundred thirty eight million worldwide. Even smaller movies 1386 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:29.840 like the Drama are at one hundred million worldwide. Like 1387 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:34.239 that's it feels like it's getting a little healthier. Box 1388 01:15:34.279 --> 01:15:36.039 office is getting a little healthier out there than from 1389 01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:37.640 you know what it was a couple of years ago. 1390 01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:42.119 That's good. I think this is all encouraging stuff. I agree. 1391 01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:44.680 I think to some extent, nature is healing when it 1392 01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:49.560 comes to people's relationship with theatrical I hope that continues. Yeah, yeah, 1393 01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:52.239 it's nice. I think if we're not relying solely on 1394 01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:56.880 superheroes to save the day, that's that's all. That's all 1395 01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:58.279 well and good totally. 1396 01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:02.359 I mean I still enjoy though, and but I like 1397 01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:04.479 seeing all of it succeed. I mean, these all these 1398 01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:07.520 movies I listed are so different. Like I'm shocked that 1399 01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.439 the drama is over one hundred million. I think that's 1400 01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:12.439 amazing and really speaks to what a great story it is, 1401 01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:13.920 and like a movie worth discussing. 1402 01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:16.359 And then Project til Mary, which comes from a book. 1403 01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:20.640 You know, it's not like based on some ip necessarily, 1404 01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:22.079 I mean, you know the book, but like you know 1405 01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:24.880 what I'm saying, Like it's not based on some video 1406 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:26.600 game or whatever that everybody already knows. 1407 01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:31.000 That's amazing, almost seven hundred million, and it's. 1408 01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:33.279 Something like Devil Ward's proud Oft too, like a legacyquel 1409 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:36.560 opening up to two hundred and thirty three million. That's 1410 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:38.840 I don't know. I just find it all encouraging, and 1411 01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:40.520 I like the variety of all of it. 1412 01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:45.760 I agree. I'm with you. Yeah, but hey, speaking of 1413 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:53.479 the stuff that's in theaters right now and now, we're 1414 01:16:53.520 --> 01:17:00.680 pleased to bring you our features and we are back. 1415 01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:03.600 And you know who else is back? Brian? Who's that? Zechi? 1416 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:10.720 Why it's Miranda Priestley and Andy Sachs together again, together 1417 01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:16.239 again after twenty long years, a desert without the Devil 1418 01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:19.399 wears Prada. Wow, you put it that way. Twenty year 1419 01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:21.800 nuts twenty years. That's nuts. That like to me, I 1420 01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:24.199 think of like speaking of Star Wars, when you know 1421 01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:28.920 when the re release of Star Wars for the special editions, Yeah, 1422 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:34.760 that was twenty years, So that's that's how long you know. Wow, anyway, 1423 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:38.520 you saw this, you just got out of the theater. 1424 01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:42.359 Actually, yeah, through some editing magic. I saw this. I 1425 01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:43.960 walked out about like thirty minutes ago. 1426 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:48.960 So well, I have not seen it. Ah, And so 1427 01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:52.720 rather than attempt to bullshit my way through a review 1428 01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:55.000 with you, I thought, you know, you should talk to 1429 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:57.199 my wife Amina, because she just saw it last night 1430 01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:58.560 and she's a big fan of the first one. I 1431 01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:00.880 thought you guys could have a good conversation. I'd love it. 1432 01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:03.800 All right, here's Amna. Okay, I'm gonna. 1433 01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:06.119 Welcome to the Movie Film Podcast. You know, do you 1434 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:08.039 remember the last time you were on the podcast. 1435 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:11.359 It's been a while. We were talking about Superman. 1436 01:18:11.479 --> 01:18:12.479 I think that's right. 1437 01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.520 I think Zachie he needed to take a restroom break, 1438 01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:17.600 but we were doing a commentary so we couldn't pause, 1439 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:19.239 and then he had you fill in. 1440 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:20.239 That was so funny. 1441 01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:21.720 That was very funny. 1442 01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:25.560 Yeah, So, okay, you watched The Devil Wars Product two 1443 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:30.720 last night, I guess to begin, tell me about The 1444 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:32.359 Devil War's product one. 1445 01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:35.119 So are you a fan of that movie? Have you 1446 01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:35.640 been that? 1447 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:37.399 I was a fan. I'm a fan. I'm a big 1448 01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:40.840 fan still actually, So when I heard that they were 1449 01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:43.760 going to be bringing these characters back, I was really 1450 01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:47.359 excited actually, but of course I was wondering, how are 1451 01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:49.000 they going to pull that off? Like, how are they 1452 01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.239 going to bring these people back? You know, because you 1453 01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:55.520 know she left, she left and just walked away from 1454 01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:58.520 that world. So so I was I was curious. I 1455 01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:00.279 was like, Okay, let me see what they have, Let's 1456 01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:01.000 see how they do this. 1457 01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:03.560 So then, what did you think? 1458 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:08.840 I liked it? It worked for me. Actually, I was surprised. 1459 01:19:09.560 --> 01:19:12.479 I was like, yeah, just seeing the back on screen, 1460 01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:18.600 seeing those core characters again, Andy, Emily, Miranda. There are 1461 01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:22.920 iconic characters. And Meryl Streep is just amazing. She steals 1462 01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:24.840 every scene. 1463 01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:28.159 She's just as witty and devastating as she ever was. 1464 01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:32.920 She is. There's that tension, that tension is still there. 1465 01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:34.560 It is scary. I'm like, I would never want to 1466 01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:38.760 work for her ever, so oh she's still scary to me. 1467 01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:39.760 Yeah. 1468 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:43.520 Yeah, Well so I guess, I mean, we can without 1469 01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:47.239 getting into spoilers, we can talk about sort of how 1470 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:48.880 they bring. 1471 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:49.760 Everybody back together. 1472 01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:54.359 Yeah, which, like you were saying, I mean Andy and 1473 01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:57.119 Hathaway's character, like you said, she kind of walks away 1474 01:19:57.159 --> 01:20:00.920 from that Runway Magazine world to the first movie, and 1475 01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:05.239 now she is a journalist, yeah right, and she works 1476 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:07.680 at some publication I don't remember what it was, but 1477 01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:11.960 basically her and her the other journalists are fired immediately 1478 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:16.279 right at the beginning, and she's without work and she needs, 1479 01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:17.720 you know, to find. 1480 01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:18.439 Something the money. 1481 01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:20.239 Yeah, yeah, and she wants. 1482 01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:22.840 To write things that have like integrity, right, Like she's 1483 01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:27.359 really about like journalism going on at the same time, Basically, 1484 01:20:27.399 --> 01:20:30.239 Miranda Priestley is going through a scandal right. 1485 01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:33.680 Right right where they're bringing in like relevant topics. They're 1486 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:38.399 bringing in like fast fashion, they're bringing in how print 1487 01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:41.600 is declining, you know, how journalism is kind of evolving, 1488 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:44.760 how fashion is evolving, and you know how these changes 1489 01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:46.560 are kind of affecting these people. 1490 01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:47.520 Yeah. 1491 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:49.560 And if I remember this correctly, because I just watched 1492 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:55.199 this like like two hours ago, but the company that 1493 01:20:55.399 --> 01:21:00.520 owns Runway Magazine basically was doing some nefarious stuff, right, 1494 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:04.000 and that was like trickling down and Priestley and her 1495 01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:07.800 magazine were sort of getting sucked into that controversy. 1496 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:08.920 Yeah, exactly. 1497 01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:12.359 Yeah, they're trying to taper that down, and so say 1498 01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:14.239 they need like a journalist to come in and kind 1499 01:21:14.279 --> 01:21:17.119 of have a different angle and kind of talk about 1500 01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:20.640 something else kind of and take away from their involvement 1501 01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:22.039 with fast fashion. 1502 01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:24.039 Right, do in sort of like a like a clever 1503 01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:26.800 mea culpa right where it's like, we acknowledge this, but 1504 01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:31.000 you know, also sort of re reframed themselves and. 1505 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:34.359 Separate themselves telling their side of the story, I guess. 1506 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:36.399 And so that led to what I thought was one 1507 01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:40.000 of the most clever parts of this was, you know, 1508 01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:44.880 they Miranda and Andy have their complicated relationship in the 1509 01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:50.239 first movie, but they also have a little bit of a. 1510 01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:51.560 You know, they bond in their own unique sort of way. 1511 01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:54.800 Yeah. I think she sees herself in her a little 1512 01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:59.640 bit like that rebellious or like, you know, the success, 1513 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:02.239 she sees it in her totally. 1514 01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:05.560 So, and what I thought was clever was it the 1515 01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:08.600 beginning of this one. How do you bring them back 1516 01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:11.159 together and still make it fun and fresh and let 1517 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.119 Miranda sort of cut her down in like the you know, 1518 01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:16.600 the witty and fun way that we enjoy, and it's 1519 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:18.600 basically she doesn't remember her. 1520 01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:21.479 Yeah, I thought that was a great way. She comes in. 1521 01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:24.800 I think Handy comes in thinking that she's been hired 1522 01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:28.199 by Miranda, like personal invite back to the company. Yeah, 1523 01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:30.880 and she walks in all excited, like giddy, you know, 1524 01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.800 with excitement, and she's like, who are you? Like, do 1525 01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:37.720 I know you? Like, what does she not remember? They 1526 01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:39.720 spend all this time? But if you think about it, 1527 01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:42.359 like from Miranda, it's just maybe one year or summer 1528 01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:43.600 that she spent with this girl. 1529 01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:44.520 Mm hm. 1530 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:46.479 And but for Andy, it was like her whole life 1531 01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:51.079 revolved around this time working for this company that shaped 1532 01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:54.640 her future. But you know, you're wondering also, is like 1533 01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:56.560 is she joking and she is just real that she 1534 01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:57.600 not really remember her? 1535 01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:03.439 Yeah? Yeah, if it was something she was keeping, yeah yeah. Yeah. 1536 01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:06.079 It's like that feeling like is she is she friendly 1537 01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:09.279 with her? Or she really you know, are they are 1538 01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:11.600 they on the same page? Are they are they really 1539 01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:13.319 friendly or not? Or is she joking? 1540 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:14.159 Mm hmm. 1541 01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:17.279 So that was funny. Is that power dynamic kind of like, 1542 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:18.920 you know, I don't really need you, but you're here 1543 01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:19.880 final work with you. 1544 01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:23.039 M deep down maybe she remembers. 1545 01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:25.079 Yeah, yeah, I think deep down she did. She was 1546 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:28.399 just probably playing with her Yeah yeah. 1547 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:30.960 But so then, yeah, what did you think of the story? 1548 01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:33.159 I mean a lot of times with sequels, especially these 1549 01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:34.880 legas sequels, I mean I think of something like The 1550 01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:39.199 Force Awakens, Yeah, where they one of the criticisms is 1551 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:43.079 trying to give people what they want. They basically change 1552 01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:47.439 things enough, but tell the same story again because they 1553 01:23:47.439 --> 01:23:49.920 know it works. Like do you feel like this was 1554 01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:51.039 a different enough story. 1555 01:23:52.119 --> 01:23:55.319 Yeah, So they played into the nostalgia definitely, the giving 1556 01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:58.439 the fans what they want, but it is tricky having 1557 01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:02.880 something new. Also, they found a good balance between the two, 1558 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:07.560 bringing in different ideas, different people come in. They had 1559 01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:12.039 the same characters but also new characters, which was nice 1560 01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:17.119 to see. So definitely, I think they balanced it pretty well. 1561 01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:21.119 Yeah. I was surprised to see bj Novak from the 1562 01:24:21.159 --> 01:24:21.800 opposite of this. 1563 01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:24.479 I like him, but he has an interesting character and 1564 01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:27.239 something that feels very of this moment exactly. 1565 01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:30.279 Yeah right, Yeah, and we see that a lot with companies, right, 1566 01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:31.920 with new people comeing in and they just want to 1567 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:35.800 revamp it alls a little way downsize, keep it, you know, 1568 01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:38.800 cash coming in without spending that kind of thing. So 1569 01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:41.439 it is something they tried to update it to the 1570 01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:42.960 world we're in now, and I think they did a 1571 01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:44.680 pretty good job reflecting those changes. 1572 01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:49.760 I thought so too, because I sometimes when I watch 1573 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.800 movies and people are dealing with these sort of champagne problems, 1574 01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:57.119 it's hard to relate or even care because you're like, 1575 01:24:57.159 --> 01:24:59.279 I would love to have your problem, you. 1576 01:24:59.239 --> 01:24:59.720 Know what I mean. 1577 01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:02.399 You know, like, because Miranda is like her magazine they 1578 01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:07.439 fall apart, but she's like mourning this in this gorgeous 1579 01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:09.840 hotel room in like Milan, you know what I mean. 1580 01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:12.399 It's like, oh no, But what I think the movie 1581 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:18.000 does a good job of is for her, it wasn't 1582 01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:23.920 necessarily about money. It was about the death of the 1583 01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:27.880 appreciation of art, right like in her speech when she's saying, 1584 01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:30.279 like if this, you know, if someone else comes in 1585 01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:34.000 and turns this magazine into something else like it will 1586 01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:36.319 it would be sad to her that there would be 1587 01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:39.720 it would no longer be a celebration of beauty and artistry, 1588 01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:43.119 you know, and things that are special and hard work 1589 01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:44.960 and all that sort of thing. And I thought that 1590 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.600 was a really brilliant way to make you care about 1591 01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:51.399 this magazine that could otherwise maybe feel a little frivolous, right. 1592 01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:54.159 Right, Why do I care about these people who have everything? 1593 01:25:54.640 --> 01:25:59.520 You know? But yeah, there is that compassion that you 1594 01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:01.920 feel for She's human, you know, in the end, and 1595 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:05.479 you feel for her because she could lose everything and 1596 01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:09.000 those relationships at what cost. Right, She's lost you know her. 1597 01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.760 I think her first husband's a different husband this time. Yeah, 1598 01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:13.960 and her kids have grown up kind of not knowing her. 1599 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:17.920 So you know, success comes at a price. She paid 1600 01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:19.840 the price, you know, to get where she is and 1601 01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:22.560 to lose it all at that point it is devastating. 1602 01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:24.199 Yeah. 1603 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:26.239 I sorry, this is getting a little into spoilery stuff 1604 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:28.880 for people who are listening, but if they want to 1605 01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:31.039 skip ahead just a little bit, they can't. But I 1606 01:26:31.079 --> 01:26:33.119 did like that she got into that, you know, where 1607 01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:35.880 she Those are like the best moments in both movies, 1608 01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:38.199 I think is when Miranda gets vulnerable. 1609 01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:39.920 M h you know, like when you. 1610 01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:43.479 See her with her makeup off, Yeah, you know, learning 1611 01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:45.239 she's going to get a divorce in the first movie, 1612 01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:47.640 and then in this one, I really liked that moment 1613 01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.199 with her in the Hamptons and she's giddy and you've 1614 01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:52.399 never seen that side of her. 1615 01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:55.479 Yeah. It's funny because in the in the last movie, 1616 01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:57.760 you know, Andy has to know all the background for 1617 01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:00.840 all the people, and she's introducing, you know, Miranda to 1618 01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:03.920 all these Oh, and it's the opposite this time. This 1619 01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.359 time Miranda is like, handy, look who this is? This 1620 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:08.880 is this person? This is that person? How Andy meet 1621 01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:11.920 this person? And it's the roles have kind of switched 1622 01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:15.560 in a sense, like you feel the shift a little bit. Again, 1623 01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:20.520 they're still not equals. They're not equals yet, right, but 1624 01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:23.239 but yeah, she's doing the introductions and she's saying, Hey, 1625 01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:24.800 these are my friends. I want you to meet them 1626 01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:28.399 in her inner circle of you know, family and friends, right. 1627 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:32.039 Which feels like an enormous deal for this person whos 1628 01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:32.880 a huge and. 1629 01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:36.079 Remember you right, Yeah, I thought you didn't know who 1630 01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:39.399 I was. Why am I invited you to your Hampton house? 1631 01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:40.279 Yeah? 1632 01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:42.520 Yeah, And again this is a little spoilery, so people 1633 01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:44.239 want to click ahead just a little bit. But I 1634 01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:46.479 also loved that moment when they were sharing the car 1635 01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:51.319 and she learns about the book that's going to be written, right, and. 1636 01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:52.239 She's like, feel about it. 1637 01:27:52.399 --> 01:27:54.720 She knew about it, a she knew about it. 1638 01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:58.560 And also she's like do it, yeah, like you should 1639 01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:03.720 do it, and frankly like people should know that all 1640 01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:05.920 of these things that I work hard for do come 1641 01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:06.600 at a cost. 1642 01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:08.720 You know what you say. 1643 01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:10.720 You reminded me of it when you were talking about, 1644 01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:14.239 you know, her relationship with her children suffered for all 1645 01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:16.359 the things that she did, and I just, yeah, the 1646 01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:20.239 vulnerability whenever she gets has these little brief moments of 1647 01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:22.920 vulnerability with Andy especially, it's always kind of nice. And 1648 01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:24.800 she has a nice moment with Nigel also. 1649 01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:25.680 That's right. 1650 01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:29.279 She didn't know all this time how much Nigel wanted 1651 01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:32.600 that position or that part of the job. And she's like, oh, 1652 01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:35.039 I didn't know. He never told me, you know, And 1653 01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:38.439 so that was interesting too, like she just sometimes you're oblivious, 1654 01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:40.479 like you just take people for granted because they're there 1655 01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:43.840 and they do the job. They don't complain, and so 1656 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:45.840 that was nice moment where she's like, wait a second, 1657 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:47.600 I think he really wants this, and she lets him 1658 01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:50.560 speak at the end because now he owns it. Kind 1659 01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:52.039 of that part m hm. 1660 01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:57.439 So yeah, how great is Stanley Tucci. He's great, right, 1661 01:28:57.560 --> 01:28:59.239 He's just like I like, I want him to be 1662 01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:01.880 my friend. I know, you know, you know, he's like 1663 01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:03.680 a little sassy. He'll cut you down, but. 1664 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:05.159 Like you know, he takes care of you. 1665 01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:06.840 He's like, I'm wear of this, I got you, you know, 1666 01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:08.680 just take care of it and bring it back. But yeah, 1667 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:09.960 he's looking out for everybody. 1668 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:12.000 Yeah, and he doesn't ask. 1669 01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:14.119 He doesn't ask. That's the thing. That's why I think 1670 01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:17.199 she didn't know mm hm, because he never complained about it. 1671 01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:22.239 By the way, you brought up Miranda's new husband or boyfriends, 1672 01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:23.560 and it's Kenneth Branaf. 1673 01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:27.039 I know he's an icon himself. 1674 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:29.359 Yeah, well yeah, and it's not a very big role. 1675 01:29:29.399 --> 01:29:31.079 But what made me laugh was he had the beard 1676 01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:33.760 and everything, and it reminded me of exactly how he 1677 01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:36.920 looked when he was that villain in the movie Tenant. 1678 01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:39.479 See I haven't seen Tenant. It's like he's been telling 1679 01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:40.000 me to see it. 1680 01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:40.960 Okay. 1681 01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:43.239 I was like, I'd love to think because we're not 1682 01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:45.199 seeing a lot of screen time with him. When Miranda's 1683 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:47.840 off doing her things, he's off on the boat fighting 1684 01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:49.159 some sort of time war. 1685 01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:52.560 In reverse having the. 1686 01:29:52.520 --> 01:29:54.760 Tendancy multiverse ordering a multiverse. 1687 01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:57.640 Yeah, basically time folding in on itself. Kind of war 1688 01:29:58.319 --> 01:29:59.960 nice anyway, that made me laugh. 1689 01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:02.600 He was great in it though. I'm like, he's a 1690 01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:06.560 nice little like big name, but not a big character really. 1691 01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:09.079 But he was nice to her and he appreciated her, 1692 01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:10.239 I think, which was nice. 1693 01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:14.479 That was nice to seem. Yeah. Yeah. Also, well, speaking 1694 01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:16.760 of what did you think of Andy's love interest? 1695 01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:19.399 I liked him. I mean he was he was nice. 1696 01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:21.039 We're like, okay, I didn't want it to be the 1697 01:30:21.079 --> 01:30:23.319 same exact story that was last time, where she's ignoring 1698 01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:25.159 him and he's like, you don't give me enough time. 1699 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.000 He's like, okay, you do your thing when you're ready. 1700 01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:30.439 You know. That was kind of sweet. It's like they 1701 01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:32.399 didn't have the perfect start. I like to show what 1702 01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:33.840 she said, she like, wedt have the perfect start or 1703 01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:37.560 the perfect ending, but we can kind of be imperfect together. Jet. 1704 01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:39.119 That was kind of sweet. 1705 01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:39.560 You know. 1706 01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:42.279 I had seen some people like online and then when 1707 01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:44.920 my friends and I walked out, my friends were saying 1708 01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:46.199 that he felt a little pointless. 1709 01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:49.920 Yeah, I could see that. I could see that. But 1710 01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:53.199 she needed something because like again, we're talking twenty years later, 1711 01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:55.279 where you kind of expect the character to kind of 1712 01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:57.560 be a little bit you know, settled or maybe have 1713 01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:02.159 a relationship with somebody. So she didn't really have that 1714 01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:04.600 all these years, or they didn't really talk about it, 1715 01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:08.439 you know. With Emily's character, she has kids, she's divorced, 1716 01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:10.760 she's kind of moved on, but we didn't really see 1717 01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:12.239 that with Andy's characters. So I think they were trying 1718 01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:14.920 to show like, hey, you know, she's still, you know, 1719 01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:18.199 out there trying to find the right person. But he 1720 01:31:18.199 --> 01:31:19.800 didn't have a huge he didn't have a huge role, 1721 01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:21.239 but I think he was kind of needed just for 1722 01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:23.560 some kind of like stability, for her. 1723 01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:27.279 Stability, and he almost works as a barometer also for 1724 01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:30.479 like where she is, you know, when she's kind of 1725 01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:32.720 at her best, and where she's when she's at her worst. 1726 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:37.880 So I yeah, I can understand that feeling. But he 1727 01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:40.279 kind of worked for me. He was interesting too because 1728 01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:42.399 he wasn't super dynamic. 1729 01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:45.279 I wasn't sure who the actor was. Actually, I'm like, 1730 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:46.640 am I supposed to know who he is? 1731 01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:46.760 Like? 1732 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:49.479 Because with Kenneth Branag, like we knew, like he's this 1733 01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:52.640 big actor, but with her love interest. It wasn't I 1734 01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:54.800 don't feel like he was a huge actor. Maybe that 1735 01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:57.479 wasn't the point, but yeah, it could have been maybe 1736 01:31:57.479 --> 01:31:58.520 another actor. I don't know. 1737 01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:01.359 Well, I mean I I actually kind of liked the guy, 1738 01:32:01.640 --> 01:32:04.680 and for that reason, I liked that he wasn't unlike 1739 01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:06.600 was it Simon Baker in the first movie? 1740 01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:08.920 You know, he's like a bit of a lot. 1741 01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:10.760 He was a bigger yeah, kind of a bigger name. 1742 01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:11.199 Yeah. 1743 01:32:11.359 --> 01:32:13.760 But also that character is a little more larger than life, 1744 01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:17.079 you know, And I liked that this guy felt, I 1745 01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:18.920 don't know, just more like a real person. So it 1746 01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:22.640 was kind of interesting seeing Andy, you know, one foot 1747 01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:25.640 in that glamorous world and then one foot with this 1748 01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:29.439 nice guy you know, who's yeah, it looks like he's 1749 01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:32.239 composed and got it together, but he's also very much 1750 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:34.600 not a part of that world. And so it's you know, 1751 01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:38.159 it's a little rote and maybe you know, a small 1752 01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:40.359 part of the movie. But I didn't dislike it as 1753 01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:41.239 much as I've heard. 1754 01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:44.560 Other people's yeah yeah, it worked for me, it was okay, 1755 01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:46.439 Like I think it was all right. He think she 1756 01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:50.359 needed some kind of relationship with someone to just to 1757 01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:52.079 ground her I think a little bit. 1758 01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:53.880 Totally totally. 1759 01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:55.800 Were there any other things that sort of stood out 1760 01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:58.960 to you or moments he liked or Oh I. 1761 01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:02.319 Love Emily Blunt. I do love her, and I love 1762 01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:05.199 the riff between the two of them. They still have 1763 01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:08.319 that like banter, which is really funny. You know, she 1764 01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:10.560 still kind of puts her down like, oh my gosh, 1765 01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:14.119 your eyebrows putting down although she is dressed, just like 1766 01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:17.239 what what is wrong with this? You know, oh my gosh. 1767 01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:22.319 And it's just funny seeing that relationship too, but very 1768 01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:25.119 sweet where they are in the end. They're like kind 1769 01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:27.439 of having you know, lunch together and they're friendly, but 1770 01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:30.520 she's still not like calling her a friend, so it's 1771 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:32.439 going to continue. I think that's just how she is, 1772 01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:35.439 you know, So it's just funny. I love it. 1773 01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:37.600 Yeah, yeah, I mean. 1774 01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:39.880 That's like a perfect example also where I feel like 1775 01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:41.279 I really like this way. 1776 01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:42.760 I don't know if I said it outright, but I 1777 01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:43.520 really enjoyed it. 1778 01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:45.600 I thought it was a perfect sequel because you don't 1779 01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:48.479 want to do all the same beats again. Yeah, you 1780 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:50.600 want to revisit these characters, but you want to see 1781 01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:54.800 them doing something different but still acting like themselves. And 1782 01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:56.760 I think she's the perfect example where she's doing a 1783 01:33:56.840 --> 01:33:59.199 very different thing in this movie, but she's still very 1784 01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:01.600 much felt like herself. Yeah, and so it was fun 1785 01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:02.159 to revisit. 1786 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:04.039 Yeah. I felt the same way. 1787 01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:04.239 Yeah. 1788 01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:05.600 I have to say, if you love the first one, 1789 01:34:05.600 --> 01:34:07.720 you're gonna definitely love this one. I think this is 1790 01:34:07.720 --> 01:34:10.520 definitely the same bea same, same type of feelings that 1791 01:34:10.600 --> 01:34:13.680 feel good. Some some parts are a little sad, You're like, 1792 01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:15.039 and then you go through it, you work with it, 1793 01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:17.000 and then you feel good in the end. 1794 01:34:17.479 --> 01:34:20.079 Yeah. Well, thank you for talking about this with me. 1795 01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:22.840 Thank you so much. This was fun for me. I 1796 01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:24.760 know Zackie gets to do this all the time, but 1797 01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:28.039 this is like a new adventure for me. I love 1798 01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:30.600 love talking about things that I enjoy too, so this 1799 01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:31.439 has been fun for me. 1800 01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:32.680 Oh, this is perfect. 1801 01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:34.399 I was really excited to talk about it as soon 1802 01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:36.039 as I got out of it, and I was excited 1803 01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:37.319 I was gonna get to talk about it with you. 1804 01:34:37.800 --> 01:34:40.399 Ah, thanks, Bryan. I hope we get to talk again. 1805 01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:45.159 Definitely, definitely. Okay, Well I'm back. I hope that went well. 1806 01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:49.079 Yes, we had a lovely conversation. Thank you, Thank you 1807 01:34:49.119 --> 01:34:49.840 for rejoining. 1808 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:54.279 Well, now the situation is reversed because she has not 1809 01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:58.880 seen Michael. Uh huh. I, on the other hand, have yes, 1810 01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:03.760 as have you. I have. So, you know, here's a 1811 01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:06.039 movie that's burning up the box office, doing pretty well. 1812 01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:13.600 Absolutely yeah, it's making a Hunger Games money for lions Gate. Yeah, right, 1813 01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:16.479 which they're happy about it. I mean, this movie is 1814 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:23.199 looking to end up as like, definitely the biggest music 1815 01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:26.119 bio pick of all time. But I think it's gonna 1816 01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:28.239 end up, you know, checking off a lot of other 1817 01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:29.720 boxes too before all astenden. 1818 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:32.880 Then, yes, I was just about to say, that's unsurprising 1819 01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:38.800 thinking about Michael Jackson and his worldwide you know, stardom 1820 01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:41.960 and how hubble loved he's been and stuff. But it 1821 01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:48.359 really isn't a guaranteed thing necessarily. I mean, his who 1822 01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:51.520 he was in the eighties and nineties is obviously very 1823 01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:55.640 different now in the twenty twenties. For starters, he's people 1824 01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:58.119 have a lot of different opinions about him. But also 1825 01:35:58.199 --> 01:36:01.279 this movie went through a lot of turmoil, right. They 1826 01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:03.439 probably thought they had like something in the bag at 1827 01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:06.960 one point, but when they had this movie all shot 1828 01:36:07.039 --> 01:36:10.199 and we're editing, they realized that they suddenly were gonna 1829 01:36:10.199 --> 01:36:13.079 have to get rid of the third act of this movie, 1830 01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:15.560 and like, what the heck do we do now that 1831 01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:19.039 a third of our movie is gone? So, I mean, 1832 01:36:19.079 --> 01:36:21.640 I'm sure they had a lot of you know, panic 1833 01:36:21.680 --> 01:36:25.439 attacks over there, and for this to come out as 1834 01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:28.039 successful as it has must they must just be like 1835 01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:31.720 sitting back in their chairs, exhaling, wiping the sweat from 1836 01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:32.239 their brows. 1837 01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:37.199 Dodged a bullet. Yeah yeah. So just just looking at 1838 01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:40.479 the box office of this overall. So this this is 1839 01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:45.439 via Scott Mendelssohn and his box office analysis. He says, 1840 01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:48.920 Michael continues to glide to Gloria, earning another fifty four 1841 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:51.520 million over the weekend for a one hundred and eighty 1842 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:54.279 four million ten day total. In terms of second weekend holds, 1843 01:36:54.359 --> 01:36:58.079 that's just a shade worse quote unquote than Elvis and 1844 01:36:58.199 --> 01:37:01.359 Bohemian Rhapsody. But it opened bigger, so I'd end up 1845 01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:06.920 doing a lot more. Uh, And presumably there's going to 1846 01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:08.640 be a sequel that I guess we can have that conversation. 1847 01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:11.359 So I I just saw this movie yesterday. I spent 1848 01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:15.399 a week trying to watch it, and then I have 1849 01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:17.760 not seen the drama yet, but I went endured my 1850 01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:19.680 own drama just trying to get to the theater to 1851 01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:24.039 watch Michael. So I'm glad finally we were able to 1852 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:27.239 make it work. And obviously the most important question when 1853 01:37:27.239 --> 01:37:31.000 we watch music bio pic is does it does it 1854 01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:35.000 pass the dewey Cox test right? And by that we 1855 01:37:35.079 --> 01:37:39.319 mean does it stick to those beats that are the 1856 01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:42.479 tropes that that walk hard the dewey Cox story established, 1857 01:37:42.560 --> 01:37:44.039 or does it does it break away and do its 1858 01:37:44.079 --> 01:37:50.680 own thing? And it does not break away and do it. No, 1859 01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:55.119 it's very much, very very strenuously to the dewey Cox 1860 01:37:55.159 --> 01:37:58.920 template up to it, including dewey Cox says to remember 1861 01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:02.439 his whole life. Yes, forums yep. I was like, really 1862 01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:08.880 we doing this? Yep? Now, I said, either in our 1863 01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:11.520 Dude Cox commentary or at some other point, I was like, 1864 01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:14.319 I know is going to be a toe tapper of 1865 01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:18.439 a movie. And like I was sitting there watching this thing, 1866 01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:19.920 and I had my feet up on the you know 1867 01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:24.880 how you recline, and unconsciously I glanced down at my 1868 01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:27.439 feet and they're like tapping against each other. 1869 01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:30.239 Zachie, I'll bring it up now because you did. But 1870 01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:33.119 there was a moment where I was literally shimming in 1871 01:38:33.199 --> 01:38:36.319 my seat and I got self conscious and I looked 1872 01:38:36.319 --> 01:38:37.720 over and the guy next to me was doing the 1873 01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:40.159 same thing. And then I looked down the aisle because 1874 01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:44.479 everyone had their recliner seats up. Every foot was moving, 1875 01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:47.880 every foot, and I actually wanted to take a video 1876 01:38:47.920 --> 01:38:52.319 because it was so funny. But yeah, like, did they 1877 01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:56.920 succeed in, you know, making everybody enjoy like Michael Jackson's 1878 01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:59.439 music again and feel it all over again. 1879 01:38:59.560 --> 01:39:05.039 Absolute Now insofar as did they make a v yes 1880 01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:14.720 that is compelling, Yes, in my opinion, they did not. Yeah, 1881 01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:19.600 I think it. It's so it's so tropy. Yeah, and 1882 01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:23.279 it's so like hopscotches over these chunks of time that 1883 01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:27.439 it I couldn't I couldn't find my way into any 1884 01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:33.560 of the emotional moments. And there's a couple of reasons. Actually, 1885 01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:37.920 Partly I think that obviously the whole legal business about 1886 01:39:37.960 --> 01:39:42.479 like there there's okay, so step backward. I happened to 1887 01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:46.520 glance at the Rot Tomatoes number and I saw that 1888 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:50.239 the critic you know, appraisal is not great. And you know, 1889 01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:56.319 there are there are Michael Jackson fans on the internet 1890 01:39:56.840 --> 01:40:04.239 who I would say are a little aggressive, you know, 1891 01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:09.880 And and their whole contention is that you know that 1892 01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:15.159 he's just a sanctified person, right, And I'm like, well, nobody, 1893 01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:19.680 nobody is that. And I'm not even saying that. I'm 1894 01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:21.600 not coming at it from the perspective of the things 1895 01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:26.399 he was accused of, right, you know, because obviously there's like, oh, well, 1896 01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:30.640 there's there's enough of a shadow of a doubt over 1897 01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:32.479 that we say, okay, let's just put that to one side, right, 1898 01:40:32.840 --> 01:40:36.119 But I am saying like he was a human being, 1899 01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:41.720 and and I think that there was an opportunity to 1900 01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:47.479 delve into his inner life far more than this movie does. 1901 01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:51.279 It feels he feels very reactive, and he feels very 1902 01:40:51.319 --> 01:40:55.760 he feels like like I just want to bring light 1903 01:40:55.840 --> 01:40:59.199 to the world and all this, right, and and so 1904 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:05.079 there there there was something frustratingly arms length that made 1905 01:41:05.079 --> 01:41:10.600 it feel like an exercise in brand management. Right. And 1906 01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:14.159 it's funny because there's one thing we'll talk more about 1907 01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:16.600 various other things, but there's one scene where it's it's 1908 01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:20.479 where Michael's meeting with his attorneys and they got all 1909 01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:23.119 these guys. They're all sitting at the long table like well, 1910 01:41:23.239 --> 01:41:26.079 mister Jackson, we think we should do this, Well, maybe 1911 01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:28.079 you can do this, you know, all these and then 1912 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:31.319 and then one guy, here's what I think you should do. 1913 01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:35.359 Nobody kind of glances over, and there's Miles Teller. You know, 1914 01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:38.359 you're you're gonna be the greatest or whatever he says. 1915 01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:42.880 You know, he's he's Tony Danza. Yeah yeah. And then 1916 01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:45.319 and then he's the guy who you know, he he 1917 01:41:45.319 --> 01:41:48.640 he separates Michael from from his father, which, holy shit, 1918 01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:50.960 we need to talk about Coleman Domingo's performance in a second. 1919 01:41:51.039 --> 01:41:54.600 There's so much to talk about. But I was like, 1920 01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:57.920 what a weirdly prominent role to give this random guy. 1921 01:41:57.920 --> 01:42:00.560 And it turns out he's a producer on the movie. Yeah, 1922 01:42:00.680 --> 01:42:02.600 I was like, holy shit, Okay. 1923 01:42:02.399 --> 01:42:05.640 Yeah, made himself one of the like foremost important people 1924 01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:09.479 in this decade spanning story. 1925 01:42:10.119 --> 01:42:13.279 I know. So now that's it. I want to say 1926 01:42:13.319 --> 01:42:18.399 Jaffar Jackson, who plays Michael, there are times, and I 1927 01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:20.520 don't mean this as an insult, there are times he 1928 01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:24.479 looks like a deep fake of Michael Jackson. Yeah. 1929 01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:29.000 You know, it's interesting when he first shows up and 1930 01:42:29.079 --> 01:42:30.920 he does the voice, you know, the. 1931 01:42:31.039 --> 01:42:33.239 You know, I just want to make you know, good music, 1932 01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:38.239 like we our entire lives. 1933 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:42.399 Michael Jackson has been parodied, Yeah, you know what I mean, 1934 01:42:42.720 --> 01:42:46.920 like the Tonight Show, the Las Vegas whatever, you know, 1935 01:42:47.479 --> 01:42:52.520 Saturday Night Live. We've seen his look parodied and his 1936 01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:56.239 voice certainly parodied. So like, this guy has a lot 1937 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:58.439 working against him trying to come up with a take 1938 01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:05.279 on Michael Jackson and now having us instinctively snicker that's right, right, 1939 01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:07.560 And so it did. There was a moment when he 1940 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:08.800 kind of did the voice. I was like, Oh, I 1941 01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:10.279 don't know, I don't know. I don't know if I 1942 01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:16.279 can like get lose myself to that. But to his credit, 1943 01:43:16.359 --> 01:43:17.039 I did. 1944 01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:21.359 I agree, Yeah, I agree. I think he's good. However, 1945 01:43:21.560 --> 01:43:24.119 I have seen people say this is a star making 1946 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:27.800 turn from Jafar Jackson, and to that, I say, well 1947 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:32.199 is it? Though? He is an excellent Michael Jackson impersonator. 1948 01:43:32.279 --> 01:43:36.079 That's my point, right, I'm like, what other roles like 1949 01:43:36.159 --> 01:43:39.159 he could go on tour playing Michael Jackson. Yeah, And 1950 01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:39.399 by the. 1951 01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:42.319 Way I feel immediately I want to say that I 1952 01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:45.399 don't know because I don't feel like I've seen him 1953 01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:49.800 do anything else. Like not a lot of people could 1954 01:43:49.800 --> 01:43:52.000 do what he did in this movie. He does it right, 1955 01:43:52.199 --> 01:43:53.600 really really means he's. 1956 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:55.920 Star making I don't know, because I mean he could 1957 01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:58.159 play a lot of other people, know, right, So so 1958 01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:00.399 you know, the hyperbole gets a little much. 1959 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:05.359 Okay, yeah, but that's like, well, going to what you 1960 01:44:05.359 --> 01:44:06.279 were saying, I mean, yeah, the. 1961 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:11.920 The fandom online has been pretty intense with this movie. 1962 01:44:12.039 --> 01:44:16.600 It's it's a lot. It's a lot, you know. And 1963 01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:18.720 this is not something I've engaged with directly. This is 1964 01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:22.199 just purely observational from you know, our friend Paul Shiy 1965 01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:27.319 wrote a review which I read as mostly mixed. I 1966 01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:30.399 didn't even read the review. I read his review after 1967 01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:33.319 I watched the movie, but I saw Edie had posted 1968 01:44:33.319 --> 01:44:35.319 his review on social media, and then just you know, 1969 01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:37.960 I saw like just a shit ton of comments under 1970 01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:39.720 I'm like, oh, let's see this, and it's just man, 1971 01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:42.199 people coming out of the woodworks, you know. Yeah. 1972 01:44:42.239 --> 01:44:45.399 Well, like we talked about in our bonus episode over 1973 01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:49.800 at Patreon, I started watching The Pit and I was 1974 01:44:49.880 --> 01:44:54.680 shocked to find that The Pit has this crazy intense 1975 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:57.560 online fandom. So, I mean, it's just it's just in 1976 01:44:57.600 --> 01:44:58.560 the air these. 1977 01:44:58.399 --> 01:45:04.119 Days, there's something something broken Yeah. Anyway, Now, now I 1978 01:45:04.159 --> 01:45:07.880 think by virtue of having to sanctify Michael to what 1979 01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:10.600 I would say is, I don't know about realistic or 1980 01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:12.720 unrealistic in terms of what actually happened, but I think 1981 01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:19.800 in terms of drama, it's a drama killer because he's 1982 01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:24.279 so good instead of being complicated. Does that make sense? 1983 01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:24.720 You know? 1984 01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:27.600 As a perfect moment that like sums that up for 1985 01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:31.319 me is when he gets Bubbles the chimp. 1986 01:45:31.359 --> 01:45:32.640 I was about to bring this up. 1987 01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:35.920 Okay, go ahead, Well, so he's basically you know, he 1988 01:45:36.800 --> 01:45:40.920 this rescues the Bubbles and he's brought to his mansion 1989 01:45:40.960 --> 01:45:45.399 where the whole family lives. And now, after watching the movie, Nope, 1990 01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:47.399 I think we've all learned that maybe it's not a 1991 01:45:47.439 --> 01:45:50.800 good idea to use real animals in movies, just. 1992 01:45:50.760 --> 01:45:54.800 Having lived on this earth and knowing what tends to happen. Yeah, 1993 01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:55.720 they're wild animals. 1994 01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:58.079 Maybe now that we have the technology, we should use 1995 01:45:58.439 --> 01:46:01.119 you know, CGI to recreate animals. 1996 01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:02.399 It's safer, it's it's better. 1997 01:46:02.439 --> 01:46:04.319 It doesn't look always that great, but it is what 1998 01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:07.479 it is, right, So I wasn't surprised that Bubbles was. 1999 01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:12.760 A CGI creation. Yeah, However, when. 2000 01:46:12.600 --> 01:46:17.800 The Bubbles meets Michael, he basically looks into Michael's eyes 2001 01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:21.800 and smiles as if he's some sort of like Disney 2002 01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:24.279 like snow White, you know, animal. 2003 01:46:24.600 --> 01:46:27.880 I expected Andy Serkus's voice to come out and say, 2004 01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:29.640 Bubbles is home. 2005 01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:32.079 Yes, yes, well, I mean it's like he almost looks 2006 01:46:32.119 --> 01:46:33.720 at him like he's like Jesus or something like in 2007 01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:36.159 a movie where you'd see someone like like an animal 2008 01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:38.760 looking at Jesus and then they smile because they know 2009 01:46:39.279 --> 01:46:40.359 that's their creator, you. 2010 01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:42.560 Know, or something like. It's like this weird. 2011 01:46:43.279 --> 01:46:45.359 I was like, that's odd, Like they're really trying to 2012 01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:48.680 like deify. 2013 01:46:47.199 --> 01:46:49.000 Well, and so let me let me add to that. 2014 01:46:49.039 --> 01:46:52.720 See this this gets to something, right, Like, let's put 2015 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:56.520 all of the accusations to one side. Yeah, yeah, what 2016 01:46:56.560 --> 01:47:00.880 we can say is that Michael was, and not necessarily 2017 01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:02.359 through any fault of his own, he was kind of 2018 01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:06.520 an odd guy, right, and and things like I want 2019 01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:09.079 a lama, I want a chimpanzee. I'm sorry, but that's 2020 01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:12.439 a little odd, right yeah yeah yeah yeah. And and 2021 01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:17.680 so to me, fundamentally, there's here like the movie sort 2022 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:22.199 of broadly acknowledged this idea that he didn't feel like 2023 01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:23.920 he had a childhood, right, But I'm like, well, what 2024 01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:28.520 does like look at how that manifests Like that's interesting 2025 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:30.600 to me and I want more of that. He's the 2026 01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.479 biggest star in the world. He can have whatever he wants. 2027 01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:34.479 And what does he do? He goes to a toy store, right, 2028 01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:37.640 And I'm not saying we we be like, look at 2029 01:47:37.640 --> 01:47:42.600 this weirdo. No, that's let's get into that. Yes, let's 2030 01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:45.640 get into that, right, And instead it's kind of we 2031 01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:50.720 got Coleman Domingo just hamming it up as just the 2032 01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:54.840 worst piece of shit father on Earth. I haven't had 2033 01:47:54.840 --> 01:47:58.800 thought he is too. Actually, he's very watchable. I will 2034 01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:02.600 say that for sure. I mean, but I just have 2035 01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:04.479 so much I want to say, but yeah, yeah, sorry, 2036 01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:10.119 Coleman Domingo is one step away from no wire hangers. 2037 01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:14.520 You know he's doing he's doing that. You know what's interesting? 2038 01:48:14.720 --> 01:48:16.039 I actually. 2039 01:48:17.079 --> 01:48:20.399 Just look, I mean I only know things I've read 2040 01:48:20.520 --> 01:48:23.119 and past things I've watched, like The Jackson five, the 2041 01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:23.800 American Dream. 2042 01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:28.359 I think it was the Jackson. Yeah, that's I've learned. 2043 01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:32.840 You know, what a monster Joe Jackson was, right, And 2044 01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:35.039 so in this movie there's a scene where he uses 2045 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:37.479 his belt on Young Michael, and I almost started crying. 2046 01:48:37.520 --> 01:48:40.760 It was so upsetting, like that that little actor playing 2047 01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:45.880 young Michael, this is incredible. And but that's kind of 2048 01:48:45.960 --> 01:48:49.520 as far as it goes with him. And you know, 2049 01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:52.880 he says things about Michael's nose, which we know happened, 2050 01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:56.199 but other than that, he comes across mostly as like 2051 01:48:56.520 --> 01:49:00.000 stern And I was like, that's interesting because this is 2052 01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:02.000 being produced by the family and it almost feels like 2053 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:05.159 they're like pushing him up a little bit too, Like, yeah, 2054 01:49:05.199 --> 01:49:07.520 he did some things that we don't agree with, but 2055 01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:10.600 like he kept it all together, you know, like he 2056 01:49:10.680 --> 01:49:13.439 made it happen like that. That was how I took 2057 01:49:13.479 --> 01:49:17.600 it because well, I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm 2058 01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:20.359 not saying what I didn't see was disturbing, but like 2059 01:49:21.039 --> 01:49:25.520 we know that he relentlessly bullied Michael and made fun 2060 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:27.279 of his acne. He made fun of his nose to 2061 01:49:27.319 --> 01:49:30.960 the point that when Michael Jackson died and was on 2062 01:49:31.039 --> 01:49:33.399 like a slab in a corner's office, he had a 2063 01:49:33.479 --> 01:49:37.399 hole in his face, no nose because of that friggin 2064 01:49:37.479 --> 01:49:42.319 monster of a father, right, And I thought, if you 2065 01:49:42.439 --> 01:49:45.439 really did a movie that like got into it, I 2066 01:49:45.439 --> 01:49:46.720 think he would have been even worse. 2067 01:49:49.359 --> 01:49:52.319 I think it gets to like, what's the threshold for 2068 01:49:52.359 --> 01:49:54.640 how much of this do people want to you know what? 2069 01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:56.960 And I agree with that. I agree with that because 2070 01:49:57.000 --> 01:49:58.640 I don't think people want to see that. They want 2071 01:49:58.680 --> 01:49:59.960 to bop when they start playing thrill. 2072 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:03.399 That's the problem, right, Yeah, And so so there is 2073 01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:09.239 some there is that complexity of Joe Jackson's piece of shit. 2074 01:50:09.720 --> 01:50:13.760 Mm hmm. We don't get Michael Jackson without Joe Jackson, yes, 2075 01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:21.479 and that's an uncomfortable truth, yeah, yeah, And obviously the 2076 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:24.439 movie is not gonna want to do with that. Yeah. Yeah. 2077 01:50:24.479 --> 01:50:27.800 But but again it's like there there is a legitimate 2078 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:32.119 horror movie jump scare scene, yes, where Michael is at 2079 01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:35.399 the fridge. He opens the fridge door and then he 2080 01:50:35.479 --> 01:50:39.640 closes it and there's Joe Jackson standing there. Yeah. Right, 2081 01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:42.439 so he's like he's like the ghostface of this movie. 2082 01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:46.039 You know, it's right right. There is a scene by 2083 01:50:46.079 --> 01:50:50.920 the way where it's it's Joe Jackson played by Coleman 2084 01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:54.760 Domingo and and he's sitting with Don King who plays 2085 01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:57.039 him who plays him, I don't know, but he's very good. 2086 01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:01.640 Uh that It felt like a like a key and 2087 01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:04.640 peel sketch. That was sure. Yeah, I mean, well, Don 2088 01:51:04.760 --> 01:51:08.640 King feels like a cartoon character. It was Dion Cole. 2089 01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:11.279 I knew he looked familiar. It was the uncle. Oh wow, 2090 01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:14.479 I didn't. I knew he looked familiar. That's funny, right, 2091 01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:17.840 But it's literally like they're like lighting their cigars like 2092 01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:23.439 we're you know, I mean, it's so like comically, you know, 2093 01:51:24.319 --> 01:51:30.279 it's it's so broad. Oh, absolutely, yeah. You know we're 2094 01:51:30.279 --> 01:51:33.159 gonna go on this tour and make sure Michael's gonna 2095 01:51:33.199 --> 01:51:34.760 be there to puff puff you know. 2096 01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:38.760 Yeah, can you guarantee it, Joe, because if you don't, 2097 01:51:39.319 --> 01:51:42.319 you know, there'll be a price to pay. 2098 01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:44.640 Yeah, but you know, it's funny. 2099 01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:48.520 I was telling people, I feel like this movie is 2100 01:51:48.600 --> 01:51:52.000 less deep than a Wikipedia article, you know what I mean. 2101 01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:55.000 Like usually that's the thing where you're like, oh, it's 2102 01:51:55.000 --> 01:51:58.359 like they filmed a Wikipedia article. This has less like 2103 01:51:58.680 --> 01:52:02.680 insight than Wikipedia articles, and like one of my favorite 2104 01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:04.640 I maybe this is a spoiler. 2105 01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:06.000 I'll say this. 2106 01:52:07.880 --> 01:52:12.479 The scenes aren't very long, and they're not very deep. 2107 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:15.800 They're just connective tissue to the next musical. 2108 01:52:15.479 --> 01:52:18.880 Number, and those are all fricking great. 2109 01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:20.960 And they're great and their full length, you know what 2110 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:23.199 I mean. And I've been telling people like, if I 2111 01:52:23.239 --> 01:52:25.199 have a review for this movie, it would have to 2112 01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:28.600 have a title called a Tale of two Brian's because 2113 01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:37.239 is this a good biography of an incredibly complex superstar, 2114 01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:39.960 like a once in a century superstar, and like a 2115 01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:42.399 little bit of digging into who he was and why 2116 01:52:43.239 --> 01:52:44.479 not even remotely? 2117 01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:45.319 Right? 2118 01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:50.560 Did I enjoy every performance and find myself moving in 2119 01:52:50.600 --> 01:52:53.079 my chair? And if someone asked me, do you want 2120 01:52:53.119 --> 01:52:56.920 to see it again? I'd say yes, like because I 2121 01:52:57.039 --> 01:53:01.520 enjoyed myself. So it's a it's it's such a strange 2122 01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:02.239 movie in a way. 2123 01:53:02.319 --> 01:53:06.039 Right, Well, so here here's where I'm at, right, because 2124 01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:10.239 because I think the most apt comp is Bohemian Rhapsody 2125 01:53:10.319 --> 01:53:15.479 for Me, Yeah, which and apparently one of the same producers, right, Yeah, 2126 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:19.079 And Mike Myers is in both. Mike Myers is in 2127 01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:24.239 both OLDO remember, well, I know he's in boheman, who 2128 01:53:24.279 --> 01:53:25.800 is he in this? Oh? 2129 01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:30.000 He's the guy who Uh Miles Teller is like you 2130 01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:32.760 got to get Michael on MTV or we walk or no, 2131 01:53:32.840 --> 01:53:34.600 He's like, are we pull all the CBS catalog? 2132 01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:38.359 Okay? So that's actually pretty brilliant because I was like, 2133 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:40.079 I know this is a guy. I should know who 2134 01:53:40.159 --> 01:53:42.640 it is. Oh funny, yeah yeah, you did not recognize 2135 01:53:42.640 --> 01:53:45.039 that it was Mike Myer. Mike Myers, So is this 2136 01:53:45.159 --> 01:53:48.119 just Mike Myers? Like career third act? He just plays 2137 01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:49.880 music executives. 2138 01:53:50.439 --> 01:53:52.520 He's just going to be in that great what's his name, 2139 01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:55.960 Graham the producer? I don't know, but U in his 2140 01:53:56.039 --> 01:53:59.800 cinematic universe of musicians, he's always going to play some 2141 01:54:00.239 --> 01:54:00.920 music producer. 2142 01:54:01.640 --> 01:54:03.680 Now, that was a true thing that happened, which I 2143 01:54:03.680 --> 01:54:07.199 thought was pretty cool about MTV being like, oh, we 2144 01:54:07.239 --> 01:54:11.159 don't play black artists, which is so aft up. Yeah yeah, 2145 01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:15.880 so yeah. So that being said, so Bohemian Rhapsody, I 2146 01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:19.600 had very much the same response where my toes were tapping. 2147 01:54:20.640 --> 01:54:25.000 I thought it was historical nonsense. It felt like brand management. 2148 01:54:25.039 --> 01:54:28.920 Even when I was watching it and as I was 2149 01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:31.159 walking out of the theater, I downloaded the soundtrack to 2150 01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:36.760 my phone. Yeah, absolutely right, So same sequence in this. 2151 01:54:38.520 --> 01:54:41.960 I had the exact same responses tapping my toes, being like, 2152 01:54:42.000 --> 01:54:44.800 this is pretty clearly brand management, up to and including 2153 01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:50.439 all the family members being producers except Janet, who Janet 2154 01:54:50.479 --> 01:54:52.520 Jackson doesn't exist in this dojo. 2155 01:54:52.560 --> 01:54:54.600 Yes, I know, which I thought would have been funny 2156 01:54:54.600 --> 01:54:56.199 if they had like sort of kept her. But she 2157 01:54:56.239 --> 01:54:58.159 was always in shadow or something. You'd never see her. 2158 01:55:01.600 --> 01:55:03.479 She's like Wilson and Home improvis. 2159 01:55:03.199 --> 01:55:06.199 Yes, yes, exactly, or it's like always her shoulder or something. 2160 01:55:06.279 --> 01:55:08.760 But like and then guess what I get in my 2161 01:55:08.840 --> 01:55:12.119 car and I put on Michael Jackson, right, Yeah, So 2162 01:55:12.720 --> 01:55:16.800 that's my point. I think it goes through the paces 2163 01:55:16.880 --> 01:55:19.039 of these music biopics. And by the way, this is 2164 01:55:19.079 --> 01:55:20.960 something we talked about when we were watching Dewey Cox. 2165 01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:25.000 It's like, why do this template because guess what, it works, 2166 01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:27.760 because that's what audiences want. And when you when you 2167 01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:30.840 when you go off roading, people don't show up, Like 2168 01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:33.039 like the Springsteen movie. People didn't show up for that, 2169 01:55:33.399 --> 01:55:36.399 I know, because it was trying not to do that. Yep. 2170 01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:39.199 So it's like I can't even fault them for making 2171 01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:41.479 the movie they made. I think. I think you go 2172 01:55:41.560 --> 01:55:45.359 where the money is. But let's be very clear, this 2173 01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:48.119 is an exercise in brand management and you should just 2174 01:55:48.199 --> 01:55:49.079 know that going. 2175 01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:53.479 In, yes, and leave it up to yourself if you 2176 01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:56.159 feel okay about that. I mean, that's the thing he is, 2177 01:55:57.359 --> 01:55:59.399 regardless of what you believe about all. 2178 01:55:59.199 --> 01:56:01.000 Of the tales surrounding him. 2179 01:56:02.079 --> 01:56:07.600 He is a controversial person, right, you know, And there's many, 2180 01:56:07.600 --> 01:56:11.199 many layers of this person. And I wish the movie 2181 01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:15.720 had dug into that because I'm interested. And also, is 2182 01:56:15.720 --> 01:56:20.479 it irresponsible not to, you know, just to I don't know, 2183 01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:24.720 turn him into this saintly figure that he he wasn't 2184 01:56:24.760 --> 01:56:28.239 nobody is, you know, And so is that kind of. 2185 01:56:29.680 --> 01:56:32.920 I don't know, just kind of I would say yes, 2186 01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:38.640 I would say yes, it is irresponsible because that's not real. Yeah, apparently. 2187 01:56:38.680 --> 01:56:41.800 I mean the you know, the first cut, the Antoine 2188 01:56:41.800 --> 01:56:45.079 Fuqua submitted, you know, the way they shot it, it 2189 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:53.640 was the flashback situated around Michael dealing with the first 2190 01:56:53.720 --> 01:56:55.479 of the accusations. Yeah. 2191 01:56:55.479 --> 01:56:58.760 Well, because this begins full on Dewey Cox, right where 2192 01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:01.159 he's about to go on stage for the Bad Tour 2193 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:02.840 and it's like the back of his head thinking about 2194 01:57:02.840 --> 01:57:05.760 his life. The original version was him at Neverland Ranch 2195 01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:09.880 looking in a mirror and police lights suddenly appear all around. 2196 01:57:10.239 --> 01:57:16.720 Holy shit, Like how did you think that? Like that? 2197 01:57:16.720 --> 01:57:19.159 That's such a complete one to eighty from the movie. 2198 01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:22.319 They made right, you know what actually, and maybe that 2199 01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:24.760 is why we got the movie we got, you know, 2200 01:57:24.800 --> 01:57:28.279 and we might not have even agreed with their take 2201 01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:31.600 on everything, but at least it sounds like they were 2202 01:57:31.800 --> 01:57:33.000 going to try to go there. 2203 01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:35.000 And maybe. 2204 01:57:36.279 --> 01:57:38.920 When they lost a huge portion of this movie and 2205 01:57:38.920 --> 01:57:41.199 they had to like fill in the gaps and shoot 2206 01:57:41.199 --> 01:57:45.640 new things and pad it out, maybe they lost a 2207 01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:46.840 lot of grit along the way. 2208 01:57:47.399 --> 01:57:50.319 Yeah. Well, no, I I think that's exactly what happened. 2209 01:57:50.359 --> 01:57:53.800 I mean, you ended up sanding it down to just 2210 01:57:53.960 --> 01:57:57.119 I mean that there's there's no texture at all, you know. 2211 01:57:58.720 --> 01:58:00.920 The other thing is it with you know, and the 2212 01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:03.960 story continued or something like whatever it says at the end, right, yeah, 2213 01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:06.039 And I'm like, so are you what are you going 2214 01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:08.520 to do the last twenty years of his life? What 2215 01:58:08.560 --> 01:58:10.920 does that movie look like? You know? 2216 01:58:11.079 --> 01:58:13.880 From interviews and things that I've read, it sounds like 2217 01:58:13.960 --> 01:58:16.560 they could sidestep some of that stuff. I mean, you 2218 01:58:16.880 --> 01:58:18.680 have to address it to some degree, but it sounds 2219 01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:20.399 like they could do what they did here and just 2220 01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:23.720 basically make a concert film and do you know whatever 2221 01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:29.359 bad dangerous history history, right, you know, I don't know. 2222 01:58:29.439 --> 01:58:31.920 By the way, speaking of controversial figures. Did you notice 2223 01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:35.880 the guy cast as John Landis during the Thriller video? 2224 01:58:36.159 --> 01:58:37.680 I don't know, but like I. 2225 01:58:37.600 --> 01:58:40.600 Was looking for him, yeah, because I knew Landis had 2226 01:58:40.640 --> 01:58:42.239 directed it and I was curious if they'd show him, 2227 01:58:42.319 --> 01:58:43.399 and they perfectly. 2228 01:58:43.399 --> 01:58:44.319 They cast this guy. 2229 01:58:44.840 --> 01:58:46.920 Yeah, Oh he's good. He's got a beard in the glasses. 2230 01:58:46.920 --> 01:58:50.439 He totally looks like nineteen eighty three John Landis. But 2231 01:58:50.520 --> 01:58:52.359 it's funny that they they do the thing I said 2232 01:58:52.359 --> 01:58:54.119 they should have done with Janet, like they keep him 2233 01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:57.600 in shadow and he is never because they're like, look, man, 2234 01:58:57.600 --> 01:59:00.600 we're not even we don't need these towing frame together. Look, 2235 01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:03.479 there's just so much to ignore. 2236 01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:07.920 It's deafening. Yeah. But but Thriller was the one where 2237 01:59:07.920 --> 01:59:08.359 I noticed. 2238 01:59:08.399 --> 01:59:11.199 I was like totally moving in my seat and everybody 2239 01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:13.479 in the theater was bopping' and it was really fun 2240 01:59:13.520 --> 01:59:14.000 to watch. 2241 01:59:14.359 --> 01:59:17.720 I mean, they basically show the whole music video recreated. Yeah. That, 2242 01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:23.119 and I loved the scene where he's doing a beat 2243 01:59:23.159 --> 01:59:25.399 it with the Crips and the Bloods. Yeah, that was 2244 01:59:25.439 --> 01:59:28.039 cool and a true story, I guess. Yeah, you know, 2245 01:59:28.600 --> 01:59:31.479 I think I think performing Billy Jean at the Awards show, 2246 01:59:31.560 --> 01:59:34.359 like I mean, this is see, this is the thing right, 2247 01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:39.000 Like to me, I'm able to hold these two thoughts 2248 01:59:39.079 --> 01:59:42.159 in my mind. Michael Jackson was a complicated guy and 2249 01:59:42.399 --> 01:59:44.640 one of the greatest musicians of all time. He has 2250 01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:47.720 made some of the greatest songs ever made, full stop, right, 2251 01:59:48.439 --> 01:59:51.439 And I think people are sophisticated enough to be able 2252 01:59:51.439 --> 01:59:54.880 to hold both those thoughts. And so I don't see 2253 01:59:54.920 --> 02:00:01.159 the the I don't see the value of of making 2254 02:00:01.359 --> 02:00:06.399 a two hour promo reel for performances that you can 2255 02:00:06.479 --> 02:00:07.600 just watch on YouTube. 2256 02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:13.600 I'd agree with you, except I'm looking at the box office. 2257 02:00:14.640 --> 02:00:17.720 Yeah, so clearly I'm wrong on that regard, But I'm like, 2258 02:00:17.800 --> 02:00:21.039 you have an opportunity here to go deep instead of wide. 2259 02:00:21.159 --> 02:00:24.640 And even if they still tried to whitewash everything and 2260 02:00:24.680 --> 02:00:27.520 they didn't go into the things that make it a 2261 02:00:27.560 --> 02:00:32.800 little murkier, but they like, you know, in the eighties, 2262 02:00:32.840 --> 02:00:34.880 there were so many rumors about him that he slept 2263 02:00:34.920 --> 02:00:36.079 in a hyperbaric chamber. 2264 02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:38.920 Yeah, you know, he was dating Brooks Shields for a while. 2265 02:00:38.960 --> 02:00:42.279 What was that about, Like his complicated relationship with Paul 2266 02:00:42.359 --> 02:00:45.239 McCartney and you know, buying the Beatles music, you know, 2267 02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:48.399 and all that stuff, Like, there's just so many interesting 2268 02:00:48.560 --> 02:00:50.840 little things you could sort of dig into that might 2269 02:00:50.920 --> 02:00:54.199 give you some more insight into who he was. Or 2270 02:00:54.279 --> 02:00:56.760 how did he feel that he was very talented and 2271 02:00:56.800 --> 02:00:59.199 beloved by a lot of people, but also a big 2272 02:00:59.239 --> 02:01:02.199 portion of the world he's a weirdo, right, how did 2273 02:01:02.199 --> 02:01:04.720 that feel? You know, like those are the things I 2274 02:01:04.760 --> 02:01:08.279 wish And that's not even like going into like the deeper, darker. 2275 02:01:07.960 --> 02:01:12.199 Waters that you know, like I don't know, you know 2276 02:01:12.239 --> 02:01:12.880 what I'm saying. 2277 02:01:12.760 --> 02:01:17.760 Like they just turn him into this saintly happy, go 2278 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:19.920 lucky kind of guy. Or I'm not happy, go lucky, 2279 02:01:19.920 --> 02:01:21.720 but you know what I'm saying, like, right, well, they 2280 02:01:21.760 --> 02:01:24.800 make him completely uninteresting and it's just everyone is always 2281 02:01:24.800 --> 02:01:26.199 telling him how special he is. 2282 02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:30.319 That's right. So I was thinking about how like, you know, 2283 02:01:31.199 --> 02:01:33.239 you know, if you will you know, the the Dewey 2284 02:01:33.239 --> 02:01:40.239 cox uh throwing a tearing the sinks out of the wall, right, yeah, 2285 02:01:40.239 --> 02:01:42.439 like yeah, there's no see him lose it. There's no 2286 02:01:42.560 --> 02:01:46.119 equivalent of that, right, And and you know, the equivalent 2287 02:01:46.239 --> 02:01:49.199 of the rehab scenes in like all of these movies 2288 02:01:49.319 --> 02:01:52.960 is when he's recovering from you know, the Pepsi commercial accident, right, 2289 02:01:53.920 --> 02:01:57.600 And and again it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, 2290 02:01:57.640 --> 02:01:59.359 but he's in so much pain, but here he is 2291 02:02:00.640 --> 02:02:02.880 going and talking to other burn victims. 2292 02:02:02.920 --> 02:02:03.039 Right. 2293 02:02:03.239 --> 02:02:05.640 I don't doubt that he did all that totally. I'm 2294 02:02:05.680 --> 02:02:11.079 not saying he didn't. I'm saying, like, why are you 2295 02:02:11.159 --> 02:02:14.000 using all of these things as an opportunity to burnish 2296 02:02:14.039 --> 02:02:19.279 the legend instead of take us inside him? Right, Like, 2297 02:02:19.479 --> 02:02:24.159 even because that all happens because he's like, I'm gonna 2298 02:02:24.199 --> 02:02:27.600 do the tour for my family, even though Joseph piece 2299 02:02:27.600 --> 02:02:29.520 of shit and whatever. Right, and by the way, his 2300 02:02:29.600 --> 02:02:32.479 brothers weren't very nice to him either in real life, 2301 02:02:32.600 --> 02:02:34.680 but you wouldn't know that from the movie, no, because 2302 02:02:34.680 --> 02:02:38.039 they produced it exactly right. Yeah, and then here's the 2303 02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:43.680 thing what essentially becomes the cathartic moment is where it's 2304 02:02:43.720 --> 02:02:45.880 the end of the Jackson's Tour, the Victory tour, and 2305 02:02:45.920 --> 02:02:49.199 he's like, by the way, this is our farewell. I 2306 02:02:49.199 --> 02:02:53.640 think it's a great moment. Me too, but I would 2307 02:02:53.640 --> 02:02:56.880 have liked it to mean more. But you know, we 2308 02:02:56.920 --> 02:02:59.399 don't get into the anguish of why he's on this tour, 2309 02:02:59.399 --> 02:03:01.159 And yeah, you get what I'm saying. 2310 02:03:01.079 --> 02:03:04.000 And like you would imagine some shot where maybe he's 2311 02:03:04.039 --> 02:03:07.199 even we know he wants to say it, and he's 2312 02:03:07.239 --> 02:03:09.560 looking over at his brothers on the stage next to him, 2313 02:03:09.560 --> 02:03:11.960 and like, in a way they kind of need him, right, 2314 02:03:12.039 --> 02:03:14.960 and so there's a little bit of a hugh, but 2315 02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:16.640 I gotta do this for me, you know, And maybe 2316 02:03:16.640 --> 02:03:19.279 some conversation he had with someone in another scene that 2317 02:03:19.600 --> 02:03:21.960 doesn't exist in this movie, like what's going on in 2318 02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:23.800 his head? And yeah, that moment could have meant ten 2319 02:03:23.840 --> 02:03:29.840 times more, but it's the Wikipedia version, you know. You 2320 02:03:29.880 --> 02:03:31.560 know what those scenes. I've been bringing this up a 2321 02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:33.119 lot when people ask me about the movie. I'm like, 2322 02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:35.560 that scene actually encapsulates a lot for me in another way, 2323 02:03:35.600 --> 02:03:39.279 which is you see him perform like a full song 2324 02:03:39.319 --> 02:03:43.359 with the Jackson five on stage, and you know, it's 2325 02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:46.279 like five six, maybe seven minutes of music and performance, 2326 02:03:46.359 --> 02:03:49.439 which is great and I enjoyed it. Then he basically 2327 02:03:49.560 --> 02:03:51.399 quits the Jackson five and says he's going to go 2328 02:03:51.399 --> 02:03:54.319 out in his own and then we immediately go to 2329 02:03:54.399 --> 02:03:56.039 him on tour. We don't really see a lot of 2330 02:03:56.039 --> 02:03:58.359 the fallout. We just immediately see him on the bad 2331 02:03:58.399 --> 02:04:02.319 tour next and I thought was, Oh, bummer, it's gonna 2332 02:04:02.359 --> 02:04:02.720 end here. 2333 02:04:02.760 --> 02:04:04.359 We just had all that music. I would really like 2334 02:04:04.399 --> 02:04:07.359 to see him sing bad. But then he does. He 2335 02:04:07.399 --> 02:04:09.359 goes on and sings bad for like five minutes. So 2336 02:04:09.399 --> 02:04:11.039 I was like, that's what the movie is. 2337 02:04:11.079 --> 02:04:16.479 It's music with like little interstitials in between of story. 2338 02:04:16.840 --> 02:04:21.800 And and I will say, he Jeffari Jackson. Who is 2339 02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:23.960 Michael's nephew. I don't care. I can't remember if we 2340 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:27.479 mentioned that, right, right, He's He's whose son is he? 2341 02:04:28.560 --> 02:04:34.119 I don't remember, one of the brothers, and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2342 02:04:34.239 --> 02:04:37.000 but he, I mean, he became Michael in terms of 2343 02:04:37.039 --> 02:04:40.399 the moves. I think I think it's it's worth recognizing 2344 02:04:40.439 --> 02:04:42.720 that that that's not easy to do. There's plenty of 2345 02:04:43.000 --> 02:04:48.000 Michael Jackson impersonators, but you know the way he because 2346 02:04:48.079 --> 02:04:52.560 I've seen, you know, the Billy Jean Award Show performance. 2347 02:04:52.600 --> 02:04:54.680 I mean, I I know that very very well. And 2348 02:04:54.720 --> 02:04:57.960 I mean it's like he just embodied it, you know, 2349 02:05:00.279 --> 02:05:02.640 And you know that's where he's Germane's son by the way, 2350 02:05:02.720 --> 02:05:06.239 just okash for the sake of clarity, people like shouting 2351 02:05:06.279 --> 02:05:07.680 it at their at their. 2352 02:05:08.600 --> 02:05:11.960 Theirmain himself and Germaine it's like, come on, man, yeah, 2353 02:05:12.000 --> 02:05:12.560 come on guys. 2354 02:05:14.560 --> 02:05:18.600 So look it's a toe tapper. I think if that's 2355 02:05:18.640 --> 02:05:20.279 what you expect going and you're gonna get it, And 2356 02:05:20.399 --> 02:05:24.000 clearly that's something audience is like, and I want to look. 2357 02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:27.359 I think there is it's good to have a movie like, 2358 02:05:27.359 --> 02:05:29.520 it's good to have movie people show up, they're bopping 2359 02:05:29.560 --> 02:05:34.279 their head, you know what. Good? Yeah, I I I 2360 02:05:34.319 --> 02:05:36.960 don't think it's It didn't do much more for me 2361 02:05:37.079 --> 02:05:38.680 than that. But I would also say, I g I 2362 02:05:38.680 --> 02:05:41.800 guess it didn't really need to. You know, I'm kind 2363 02:05:41.800 --> 02:05:42.279 of with you. 2364 02:05:42.399 --> 02:05:45.439 I mean, like I said, Tailor two, Brian's like, I 2365 02:05:45.520 --> 02:05:49.000 really enjoyed watching this, and I would watch it again 2366 02:05:49.279 --> 02:05:51.119 because I know I would have a good time listening 2367 02:05:51.159 --> 02:05:53.920 to some great music. But I am very disappointed that 2368 02:05:53.960 --> 02:06:00.720 we didn't get a better look at this real complicated, 2369 02:06:00.840 --> 02:06:04.079 interesting guy. And I would say that about any figure, 2370 02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:08.000 but he is so complicated and controversial that I wonder 2371 02:06:08.039 --> 02:06:12.039 if it almost borders on irresponsibility. Yeah, so I have 2372 02:06:12.199 --> 02:06:14.800 very complicated feelings about it, and I talk about it 2373 02:06:14.840 --> 02:06:18.760 probably differently with different people, you know, knowing. 2374 02:06:18.479 --> 02:06:20.640 What they are looking for out of this. 2375 02:06:20.920 --> 02:06:22.800 And I would completely respect. Also, I mentioned it to 2376 02:06:22.840 --> 02:06:25.920 two friends I was with last night, and they're still 2377 02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:28.760 just because they have complicated feelings about Jackson in the 2378 02:06:28.760 --> 02:06:31.119 first place, they're still weighing whether or. 2379 02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:33.920 Not they want to see it. Oh interesting, okay, yeah, 2380 02:06:34.079 --> 02:06:35.680 but they love his music. They're like, I kind of 2381 02:06:35.720 --> 02:06:36.199 want to watch it. 2382 02:06:36.199 --> 02:06:38.920 But I just after watching Leaving Neverland, I just have 2383 02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:41.159 I wrestle with it, and I was like, I get it. 2384 02:06:41.680 --> 02:06:45.840 I get it, so like it's I think it's all up. 2385 02:06:45.680 --> 02:06:46.760 To you, you know. 2386 02:06:46.840 --> 02:06:50.680 Yeah, but you know, I did have an interesting experience 2387 02:06:50.720 --> 02:06:53.720 watching this. I watched it at the Sherman Oas Galleria, 2388 02:06:54.399 --> 02:06:58.520 and when they show the Michael Jackson mansion the Chiron, 2389 02:06:59.479 --> 02:07:01.920 it doesn't just say in Sino California. It says haven 2390 02:07:02.000 --> 02:07:05.800 Hurst in Sino California. And I was like, wait, Havenhurst 2391 02:07:05.880 --> 02:07:07.439 is the next major road over. 2392 02:07:07.920 --> 02:07:10.840 Oh wow. Yeah. So I put it into ways and 2393 02:07:10.880 --> 02:07:13.640 it was a mile and a half away. Amazing. Yeah. 2394 02:07:13.680 --> 02:07:16.119 So I actually after the movie, I drove over and 2395 02:07:16.199 --> 02:07:18.439 I went to the gate and I saw the house. 2396 02:07:18.479 --> 02:07:20.319 I was like, well, I'll be darn. I had no idea. 2397 02:07:20.640 --> 02:07:24.680 It's just empty, I guess. I mean, there's like hedges 2398 02:07:24.800 --> 02:07:27.720 and right, but you know it's just like like you know, 2399 02:07:27.840 --> 02:07:29.880 time moves on, you know, oh sure, yeah. 2400 02:07:29.880 --> 02:07:32.840 At one point there was drafts and bubbles of the 2401 02:07:32.920 --> 02:07:34.079 chimp walking around behind. 2402 02:07:33.840 --> 02:07:37.840 That game and just throngs of people, yes, yeah, which 2403 02:07:37.840 --> 02:07:39.720 they show in the movie, right, yeah, all the people. 2404 02:07:40.319 --> 02:07:42.239 One thing I will say real quick, Brian is is 2405 02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:49.520 for for as as comically super villain esque Coleman, Domingo's 2406 02:07:49.520 --> 02:07:52.359 performance was, as I said, I found him very watchable. 2407 02:07:52.760 --> 02:07:55.279 But the you know, it definitely made me think, certainly 2408 02:07:55.319 --> 02:07:58.239 as a parent, you know, what what do I owe 2409 02:07:58.279 --> 02:08:02.800 my kids and what do they owe me? You know, 2410 02:08:02.840 --> 02:08:06.800 it really made me sit with that, you know, yeah, 2411 02:08:07.359 --> 02:08:10.720 because I'll be goddamn if I would ever do that 2412 02:08:10.760 --> 02:08:14.760 to my kids, you know yeah. And I kept like, 2413 02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:18.399 what is the psychology that would make someone do that 2414 02:08:18.439 --> 02:08:20.720 to their kids? And he, you know, he's sitting there, 2415 02:08:20.760 --> 02:08:24.399 He's like, look, if it wasn't for me, we'd still 2416 02:08:24.439 --> 02:08:27.399 be a poor black family in Gary, Indiana. You know. 2417 02:08:29.159 --> 02:08:33.560 But you know, without getting into the economic aspect of it, 2418 02:08:33.600 --> 02:08:36.000 I think your kids would like to play outside, you know, 2419 02:08:36.199 --> 02:08:40.119 like I think kids would like to be kids, you know, yeah, yeah, 2420 02:08:40.199 --> 02:08:44.279 and it's like, is it worth it. You know, Joe 2421 02:08:44.359 --> 02:08:48.119 Jackson outlived Michael by almost ten years. Did he wrestle 2422 02:08:48.159 --> 02:08:49.880 with that. Did he wrestle with the idea that his 2423 02:08:49.920 --> 02:08:52.199 son died at least partly because of him? 2424 02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:56.479 I don't know, you know, And just a lot of 2425 02:08:56.520 --> 02:08:58.359 the things that I felt about this movie, I wanted 2426 02:08:58.399 --> 02:09:00.600 to be able to back it up and like make 2427 02:09:00.600 --> 02:09:03.000 sure that I was remembering things that were actual facts. 2428 02:09:03.000 --> 02:09:05.840 And I found this quote from Joe Jackson when he 2429 02:09:05.880 --> 02:09:10.479 was interviewed by Louis Thureaux and asked about if he 2430 02:09:10.600 --> 02:09:13.640 beat him. Okay, and this is a quote from Joe Jackson. 2431 02:09:13.640 --> 02:09:15.720 He said, I never beat him. I whipped him with 2432 02:09:15.760 --> 02:09:17.720 a switch and a belt. I never beat him. You 2433 02:09:17.720 --> 02:09:21.840 beat someone with a stick. So that's there we go. 2434 02:09:21.960 --> 02:09:24.880 There's a glimpse into the mind of Joe Jackson. Wow, 2435 02:09:25.600 --> 02:09:29.279 So in those ten years post Michael's death, did he 2436 02:09:29.479 --> 02:09:30.359 think any differently? 2437 02:09:31.600 --> 02:09:36.279 I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't look like 2438 02:09:36.760 --> 02:09:39.000 you know, it's it's like, wouldn't you rather have just 2439 02:09:39.079 --> 02:09:44.119 had a healthy relationship with your kids? I don't know 2440 02:09:44.199 --> 02:09:44.960 that's the best what. 2441 02:09:44.960 --> 02:09:47.920 You hope you hope for parents, But you know, I 2442 02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:51.800 want to say, because I was saying about scenes and 2443 02:09:51.880 --> 02:09:54.479 just how thin they were, and but I did want 2444 02:09:54.479 --> 02:09:54.880 to call out. 2445 02:09:54.880 --> 02:09:55.920 I thought the first half of. 2446 02:09:55.880 --> 02:09:57.880 The movie was actually very strong with all the Jackson 2447 02:09:57.920 --> 02:10:02.079 five stuff I and I thought my favorite scene maybe 2448 02:10:02.079 --> 02:10:06.199 in the movie was when young Michael is with that 2449 02:10:06.279 --> 02:10:12.880 producer Yes, at the board and and he's just like, 2450 02:10:14.000 --> 02:10:16.239 Michael doesn't get to do anything fun. All he has, 2451 02:10:16.359 --> 02:10:18.319 you know, he he's got to practice day and night. 2452 02:10:18.359 --> 02:10:21.399 When he comes home from gigs and he's tired, he's 2453 02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:23.960 got to practice some more. And he has this moment 2454 02:10:24.039 --> 02:10:26.319 with yeah Gordy, and Gordy's like, hey, you want to 2455 02:10:26.319 --> 02:10:28.000 see how this works. Look, you know, you move these 2456 02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:29.960 switches and the volume goes up, and you do, and 2457 02:10:29.960 --> 02:10:32.239 and Michael's like completely into it. But then Joe comes 2458 02:10:32.279 --> 02:10:34.560 in a is like, you know, get out here, stop 2459 02:10:34.560 --> 02:10:38.279 bothering this guy, right, And I love then when Gordy 2460 02:10:38.399 --> 02:10:41.319 is like, hey, anytime you have a question or you're 2461 02:10:41.359 --> 02:10:44.399 interested in this, you can always ask me, right, And 2462 02:10:44.439 --> 02:10:47.239 then when Michael like takes a step away and then 2463 02:10:47.279 --> 02:10:48.399 goes back and hugs him. 2464 02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:51.560 Yep, Oh my heart was great. 2465 02:10:51.640 --> 02:10:53.560 Yeah that was good. I actually was like, oh, we're 2466 02:10:53.560 --> 02:10:56.359 in for something good. Here, And I just wish that 2467 02:10:56.520 --> 02:10:59.039 when they got into his adult life, those scenes had 2468 02:10:59.079 --> 02:11:02.680 at least even if they are interstitial, like like we're 2469 02:11:02.680 --> 02:11:04.520 just gonna touch on this beat when he's in a 2470 02:11:04.520 --> 02:11:06.520 toy story, because explains this little part of him. This 2471 02:11:06.560 --> 02:11:08.479 beat when he's in a hospital talking to burn victims, 2472 02:11:08.479 --> 02:11:10.479 because that explains a little part of him. I wish 2473 02:11:10.560 --> 02:11:14.640 they had at least been as textured as that scene 2474 02:11:14.680 --> 02:11:15.399 was in the beginning. 2475 02:11:15.800 --> 02:11:19.199 That's terrific. Yeah. Well, and what that scene really illustrates 2476 02:11:19.319 --> 02:11:23.399 is how you know, Barry Gordy was interfacing with him 2477 02:11:23.479 --> 02:11:28.279 on a talent level, like you know, yes, it was it. 2478 02:11:28.359 --> 02:11:31.319 You know, he was talking to him as an artist, right, 2479 02:11:31.359 --> 02:11:34.399 So it's showing like there's another way Joe could have 2480 02:11:34.479 --> 02:11:41.239 gone that would have been just as meaningful. And you know, 2481 02:11:41.319 --> 02:11:46.720 it's like pad's not taken, you know. Yeah, yeah, oh, 2482 02:11:46.720 --> 02:11:49.800 there we go. Hey, we had lots of thoughts, lots 2483 02:11:49.840 --> 02:11:51.760 of complicated thoughts about a complicated dude. 2484 02:11:52.640 --> 02:11:55.000 Yeah, yeah, this is great. I was really looking forward 2485 02:11:55.039 --> 02:11:56.399 to talking about this with you. I think it is 2486 02:11:57.039 --> 02:11:59.079 a movie that provokes a lot of discussion, for sure. 2487 02:11:59.560 --> 02:12:02.680 Well, let us know your thoughts. I'm sure, I'm sure 2488 02:12:02.720 --> 02:12:05.479 y'all listening. You have some about the film and about 2489 02:12:05.479 --> 02:12:07.039 what we have to say, so you can email us 2490 02:12:07.039 --> 02:12:10.399 at moviefilmpodcast at gmail dot com. You can also like 2491 02:12:10.399 --> 02:12:12.880 on our Facebook page Facebook dot com slash movie Film 2492 02:12:12.920 --> 02:12:15.039 Podcast and message us there. As always, please go to 2493 02:12:15.079 --> 02:12:17.319 Apple Podcast lead reviewer leave a star rating. Every little 2494 02:12:17.359 --> 02:12:19.960 bit helps. If you're listening to the show on YouTube, 2495 02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:23.239 please hit like, hit subscribe, and comment. 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This 2526 02:13:48.359 --> 02:13:50.720 has been episode three forty two of The Movie Film Show. 2527 02:13:50.720 --> 02:13:54.239 We'll catch you next time. Thanks everybody, Welcome. 2528 02:13:54.399 --> 02:14:03.880 Bird Tacking came right over the tops bathroom, Amos Mom 2529 02:14:03.960 --> 02:14:06.399 and the blackests on the bread windows