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Speaker 1: pushing Ember one, a very happy Thursday, and welcoming to
Speaker 1: the fifty five KRC Morning Show. A man who's interested
Speaker 1: in what's going with Hyde Park Square. Hyde Park Square
Speaker 1: organizer Todds ins or Todd's or John. Rather, John, it's
Speaker 1: good have you on the program this morning. Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining the show, glad to join it. To thank you, Brian,
Speaker 1: And I think my listening audience is quite familiar with it,
Speaker 1: because I've talked about it a lot. I found it
Speaker 1: rather insulting that Sincinni City Council refused to give into
Speaker 1: what the residents of Hyde Park One in terms of zoning. First,
Speaker 1: they foisted connected communities on all of the Cincinnati neighborhoods
Speaker 1: without input from the neighborhoods. And then they offered an
Speaker 1: opportunity for a waiver two connected communities requirements to these
Speaker 1: well connected developers to put in a hotel, which obviously
Speaker 1: is going to dominate the landscape of Hyde Park Square
Speaker 1: because of its height, as well as the fact that
Speaker 1: maybe it's a hotel that people don't want because of
Speaker 1: congestion and traffic and everything else that goes along with
Speaker 1: that development. Now do you get the sense I saw
Speaker 1: all the signs and I knew it was well organized
Speaker 1: campaign in favor of Hyde Park residents determining their own destiny.
Speaker 1: Do you get the sense in the community that everyone's
Speaker 1: a little bit angry about what the council did.
Speaker 3: I think anger might be a little bit strong of
Speaker 3: a turn. There are definitely a lot of upset people,
Speaker 3: And I want to be clear, this isn't a Hyde
Speaker 3: Park issue. This is a city wide issue. You mentioned
Speaker 3: connected communities fifty two neighborhoods across the city. Of those
Speaker 3: fourteen other communities took votes to support Hyde Park and
Speaker 3: asked council not to do this. For other civic organizations
Speaker 3: also joined in with us and said don't do this.
Speaker 3: This isn't what should be happening. The numbers that the
Speaker 3: Sea Council saw were off the charts like nothing else previously.
Speaker 3: This starts all the way back in January with the
Speaker 3: Planning Commission staff event, which was a zoom call. They
Speaker 3: had sixty some speak sixty three sixty four speakers. Four
Speaker 3: of them are for the others were a posed. They
Speaker 3: had over seven hundred pieces of email for that event
Speaker 3: back in January. Then we you know, fast forward, go
Speaker 3: through all the steps, the Planning Commission meeting, then you
Speaker 3: have the committee, the Equitable Growth and Housing Committee, then
Speaker 3: you have finally the council vote. At every one of
Speaker 3: those steps, they saw overwhelming public turnout, email, phone calling,
Speaker 3: et cetera, and effectively a deaf ear And to me,
Speaker 3: that's what's important right now, Safe hyde Park Square is
Speaker 3: launched a referendum. We are working to get the petitions
Speaker 3: that we need in order to put this on the
Speaker 3: ballot in November. We need about fifteen thousand signatures in
Speaker 3: a little under a month, so we are working hard
Speaker 3: at that, and we are doing it citywide because this
Speaker 3: isn't an issue just for Hyde Park. City Council isn't
Speaker 3: listening to you regardless of where you are. And I
Speaker 3: think most important, I think this ties in very much
Speaker 3: with what I understand. You focus on a lote that
Speaker 3: city council has literally said we're uninterested in neighborhood councils,
Speaker 3: communitys in particular.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's maybe why I characterize it as anger,
Speaker 1: because candidly I feel anger on behalf of each of
Speaker 1: those neighborhoods because I find it insulting you. This turns
Speaker 1: the concept of representative government on its head.
Speaker 3: I completely agree with you on that, and I think
Speaker 3: certainly there are people and there are neighborhoods where the hanger,
Speaker 3: I would say is higher and lower. I think everybody
Speaker 3: in the Hyde Park case frustrated and perturbed about the
Speaker 3: lack of listening. I know there's some other neighborhoods who
Speaker 3: have had huge issues and fuel. If you want to
Speaker 3: say anger, I just want to be careful by the
Speaker 3: word like that.
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean again, I don't want to
Speaker 1: put words in your mouth or anybody else's mouth. That's
Speaker 1: my personal feeling because again, the concept of representative government,
Speaker 1: we elect people to speak and provide and exercise the
Speaker 1: will of the people as opposed to what they have
Speaker 1: on their mind or whatever direction they want to go.
Speaker 1: This is like, we have example.
Speaker 3: After example of this council, this administration saying we know
Speaker 3: better than you do and we're going to do what
Speaker 3: we think is right. You've been touching on connected communities.
Speaker 3: I'm no expert on that, but I have some familiarity
Speaker 3: with it. The council, the mayor, has consistently said we
Speaker 3: know what the city needs more than you. The people
Speaker 3: know what the city needs. That's a challenge. I want
Speaker 3: smart people lending ideas, bringing thought forward. But I know
Speaker 3: there is a famous Japanese proverb, none of us are
Speaker 3: as smart as all of us. And if we do
Speaker 3: not involve the neighborhood councils, if we do not involve
Speaker 3: citizen voice, we are not going to do the best
Speaker 3: things that we can do.
Speaker 1: John Zinzer, let's pause, we'll bring you back. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about the website, we'll talk about how people can get involved.
Speaker 1: And once you to contemplate this. You know this city,
Speaker 1: you know writ large, it's made up of all those
Speaker 1: different neighborhoods, of fifty two neighborhoods, each of which is
Speaker 1: its own sort of environment within the broader scope of
Speaker 1: the city, all with different needs once and different architectural structures.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that concept as well as
Speaker 1: what's the next phase in this with John Zinzer again,
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Speaker 1: Thomas talking with John Zinzer, concerned citizen behind at least
Speaker 1: one of them behind Save Hyde Park Square, which you
Speaker 1: can find on line at Save Hyde Parksquare dot org.
Speaker 1: They're circulated. Petition for a referendum has to be filed
Speaker 1: to nullify City Council's April twenty third decision to approve
Speaker 1: this plan development zone change for Hyde Park Square in
Speaker 1: spite of the fact the high Park residents didn't want it. Oh, John,
Speaker 1: the website is quite revealing. I don't know that I
Speaker 1: had seen. I'm certain I hadn't seen what it is
Speaker 1: going to look like after this development is put in.
Speaker 3: It is really something, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: It's like dropping a container ship into a historical neighborhood
Speaker 3: right way.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, great way to put it. So, you know,
Speaker 1: in case you were thinking, oh, what's the big deal,
Speaker 1: you should see how huge this is. It's just inside
Speaker 1: and I got Newsray. I mean, that's a piece of
Speaker 1: paper and that's a drawing. You know, when you stand
Speaker 1: in front of a building, of any mass of any size.
Speaker 1: You go, my gosh, that's a building. It's huge.
Speaker 3: It's big, it's not a piece of paper. If they
Speaker 3: build that thing, the feeling in the square will be
Speaker 3: lost forever. And it just that's what the citizens on
Speaker 3: one level are most concerned about. This is a neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Cincinnati has made up of fifty two neighborhoods. You were
Speaker 3: saying this before you headed out to the break. Every
Speaker 3: neighborhood has its characteristics and its special and that deserves
Speaker 3: That's one of the things that makes Cincinnati if I
Speaker 3: make Cincinnati, and that's why the citizens here are taking
Speaker 3: action right now. This is not the way we should
Speaker 3: go about development. Let's say one more thing about Hyde
Speaker 3: Park and then when I kick it back to the
Speaker 3: city for a moment. We are not opposed to change,
Speaker 3: to growth, to advancement. We are opposed to this project.
Speaker 3: I heard you talk in the earlier segment you returned
Speaker 3: about connected communities. I know you have an issue around
Speaker 3: being told what to do. Again, I'm no expert on
Speaker 3: connected communities. This neighborhood, and no neighborhood wants to have
Speaker 3: something dropped on it that it doesn't have a say,
Speaker 3: and what's it going to look like, what's it going
Speaker 3: to do to the traffic, What's it going to do
Speaker 3: to our day to day rhythm. That's something every neighborhood
Speaker 3: deserves to have a voice and a comment on, rather
Speaker 3: than having a developer alongside some city council people who
Speaker 3: are worked together over and over again, the ease with
Speaker 3: which development can happen in Cincinnati. There's a miss out
Speaker 3: there that we're a hard place to build something. We're
Speaker 3: actually of the forty seven communities that were rated, we
Speaker 3: were the forty fourth, meaning we were the third easiest
Speaker 3: place to build something. What needs to change now? We
Speaker 3: need to get this on the referendum. We need volunteers.
Speaker 3: I would love people listening to us right now. Went
Speaker 3: to park safehyd parksquare dot org and signed up to
Speaker 3: become someone who would move a petition around, get some
Speaker 3: signatures different events. Really need to talk with people in
Speaker 3: the different parts of the city. As I said earlier,
Speaker 3: we have multiple neighborhood councilors who are supporting us, other
Speaker 3: civic organizations who are supporting us. But we just need
Speaker 3: a lot of people to help us put this to
Speaker 3: a referendum. Get a vote in November, and I believe
Speaker 3: that vote could begin the process of reversing the tide.
Speaker 3: There's been this long, steady tide of city council not
Speaker 3: thinking that the neighborhood council's community councils got example after
Speaker 3: example of how they are trying to depower or actually
Speaker 3: do away with that. And this is a place where
Speaker 3: the people have the chance to stand up and say,
Speaker 3: now we get to say in this what we say
Speaker 3: also matters. You may be smart, but you're not the
Speaker 3: only smart person. We know some things too about where
Speaker 3: we live and how we'd like to live. And we're
Speaker 3: going to put this on the ballot to get that started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I suppose you'll get a lot of people
Speaker 1: in Bondhill wanting to sign on to something like this
Speaker 1: as well, because.
Speaker 3: I did the actual presentation to the Bondhill group to
Speaker 3: say will you join us? And I was overwhelmed with
Speaker 3: how they feel what happened to them. Perfect example, even Oakley,
Speaker 3: who's a relatively friendly to the developer community, just had
Speaker 3: a really nice housing project scrapped for car condos. I'm
Speaker 3: not opposed to having nice places to stay, but if
Speaker 3: city Council is all about housing. How dare you make
Speaker 3: an adjustment from something that was going to be reasonably
Speaker 3: priced housing to something to park my Ferrari.
Speaker 1: In that's a good point, and it seems like that's
Speaker 1: kind of I'm a misunderstanding. It seems inconsistent with their
Speaker 1: desire to get rid of cars in the city of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: you know, turning it into a fifteen minute walking or
Speaker 1: public transportation community, which is the green agenda folks idea
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: So, and I want to be careful that one of
Speaker 3: the advantages of Hyde Park is its walk ability. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's something we'd like to preserve. That's a feel
Speaker 3: that we want. Other communities may want to be different
Speaker 3: in how that feels, but they need to have their
Speaker 3: voice in order to achieve that. And that's why we're
Speaker 3: asking people to help us to move the petition around.
Speaker 3: Please go to Save Hyde Park square dot org, sign
Speaker 3: up to volunteer, find us. We're got lots of events.
Speaker 3: Then we had the primary on Tuesday. We were at
Speaker 3: lots of the polling places, a lot of people signed up.
Speaker 3: Thank you for everybody who has signed. If you did
Speaker 3: sign the change dot org petition, that's not the same
Speaker 3: thing over five thousand people signed that for us. It
Speaker 3: was a very helpful tool. It was another thing that
Speaker 3: city council just chose to ignore. But we need different
Speaker 3: signatures to get this on the refer to get this
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 1: Ballot, Save Hyde parksquare dot org. And this is something
Speaker 1: that's going to resonate with all the communities, I think
Speaker 1: more than just the ones that have been insulted by
Speaker 1: the decision making of Cincinni City Council, like you and
Speaker 1: Bonn Hill, but everybody who felt me. I mean I
Speaker 1: talked about going back to connected communities real quick. That
Speaker 1: was foisted on all of the neighborhoods as well without
Speaker 1: any of their input, in spite of the fact that
Speaker 1: a lot of them chimed in and said, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: where did this come from? And we don't want that,
Speaker 1: and you didn't consult us before you foisted it upon us.
Speaker 1: So this is going to resonate among I would think
Speaker 1: the vast majority of Cincinnati residents. So if you are
Speaker 1: a resident of the city of Cincinnati, that's the signature
Speaker 1: that you need to put down on paper and go
Speaker 1: to save High ParkScore dot com to do that, or
Speaker 1: dot Orger to do.
Speaker 3: That hopefully agree, thank you. I can go the connected
Speaker 3: community to piece absolutely, but you don't have to go
Speaker 3: anywhere near that far back to find a place where
Speaker 3: neighborhoods are not being heard, not even being responded to
Speaker 3: by the city. On ours just own, fourteen different neighborhoods
Speaker 3: sent an official letter to the city saying we took
Speaker 3: a vote and we agree, we're standing with hyde per square.
Speaker 3: Not one of them received a letter back saying thank
Speaker 3: you for your letter, nothing more, not even acknowledgment. And
Speaker 3: I can go down a list of different neighborhoods, different
Speaker 3: instances where they are writing to the city and thing
Speaker 3: we need help with this. This has happened to us,
Speaker 3: things ranging from the recent flooding, some police issues, some
Speaker 3: staffing issues, things that happened to an adverse outcome because
Speaker 3: of development product at all of these things, where the
Speaker 3: neighborhood councils have written to the city, crickets coming back nothing.
Speaker 3: And that's what has to change, and that's why we
Speaker 3: need all the help we can get with this referendum.
Speaker 1: It sounds like we need a change of council members
Speaker 1: and perhaps the mayor. My idea, John, you don't have
Speaker 1: to buy into that or not. I don't care what
Speaker 1: your political affiliation is, but no one seems to be
Speaker 1: being served by the elected officials who are supposed to
Speaker 1: serve the will of the people. And I love the idea.
Speaker 1: This is a grassroots, community based effort. I was thinking
Speaker 1: along the lines that maybe you guys might propose litigation,
Speaker 1: but that has to be fund unless there's a lawyer
Speaker 1: out there will be doing on a pro bono basis.
Speaker 1: But you know, you get everybody an opportunity to help out.
Speaker 1: Chime in, put a lawn sign in their yard. And
Speaker 1: another element of this I wasn't even aware of, which
Speaker 1: is posted on your website Save Hyde Park Square dot org,
Speaker 1: is that it forces out over ten independent small businesses
Speaker 1: out of the square.
Speaker 3: I mean the Business Association of Hedberg Square voted against it.
Speaker 3: They wrote a letter say we don't want to. If
Speaker 3: they thought it was good for business, they would be
Speaker 3: at the front of the brace saying let's do this.
Speaker 3: They don't. And I can tell you you can walk
Speaker 3: around Hyde Park Square right now and it feels a
Speaker 3: little depressed because there are all these empty storefronts. That's
Speaker 3: primarily not due to business conditions. Or anything. That's due
Speaker 3: to the developer carefully phasing people out, primarily in legal means.
Speaker 3: Primarily there is at least one lawsuit running about that
Speaker 3: that I know of. But that is why Hyde Park
Speaker 3: Square right now feels a little dingy, a little empty,
Speaker 3: and that's really unfortunate. You can thank the developer for
Speaker 3: those empty storefronts because they're now having to wait. They're
Speaker 3: now having to wonder can we move ahead with this.
Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons that we need to keep
Speaker 3: the momentum up and get to the referendum. You mentioned
Speaker 3: a lawsuit. That's always an option, but we do want
Speaker 3: to be the grassroots group who does this the right way.
Speaker 3: And city Council I think about one of the few
Speaker 3: things they said that was positive was there has to
Speaker 3: be more communication between the development and developer and the community,
Speaker 3: and that just didn't happen. It was as quiet from
Speaker 3: the developer as it has been from city council. They
Speaker 3: listened to us a lot. I don't think they heard us,
Speaker 3: and I know that's a subtle distinction, but it's an
Speaker 3: important one. Right now, we as a citizens group would
Speaker 3: like to be heard as we were not heard. We're
Speaker 3: going to put it on the ballot. We're going to
Speaker 3: put in a referendum, but only with help from people
Speaker 3: who listen to your show and others who see citizen
Speaker 3: voice matters. I want to be heard. I want my
Speaker 3: neighborhood council to be heard, and the neighborhoods that's signed
Speaker 3: on for this stretch all the way east to west.
Speaker 3: You've got Mount Washington out east all the way to
Speaker 3: Sailor Park in the west. I would love to have
Speaker 3: other of the neighborhood councils also to join on with us.
Speaker 3: More letters from that because this right now has become
Speaker 3: for me. Yes, I do not want that development. I
Speaker 3: also want city council to have to listen, to pay
Speaker 3: attention to community councils, to neighborhood councils, and again we
Speaker 3: have example after example of them saying we're not going
Speaker 3: to listen anymore.
Speaker 1: I love the message, John. It transcends just this issue
Speaker 1: for me personally, and I appreciate what you're doing. You
Speaker 1: can sign up to be a circulator or a captain.
Speaker 1: You can help out circulate a position, show up at
Speaker 1: farmers' markets and citywide events, and have these petitions ready
Speaker 1: for folks to sign It's easy to do, John, and
Speaker 1: the team has made it so easy. Save Hyde Park
Speaker 1: Square dot org. I wish you all the luck and
Speaker 1: the best in the world. John, on your efforts fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand nine.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate this time.
Speaker 1: Pleasure man. If you got an update or something down
Speaker 1: the road, you want to announce the day that you
Speaker 1: get the sufficient signatures. You got to welcome opportunity here
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