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Speaker 2: Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
Speaker 2: much for joining us for another live episode of the show.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Before we bring on tonight's guest,
Speaker 2: I want to give you two updates about past guests.
Speaker 2: Number one, last week's guest Tiffany. Unfortunately, she's had some
Speaker 2: things happen since she was last week that just further
Speaker 2: reinforced the point that she made the right decision to
Speaker 2: move out. That's a good thing in a way, but
Speaker 2: in another way, that was her dream property. So it's
Speaker 2: just so unfortunate that all this had to happen. These
Speaker 2: things that have happened, or just reminders about how bad
Speaker 2: of a situation that is. And like I told her
Speaker 2: before several times, I'm so glad she's leaving that behind.
Speaker 2: On another note, the other update I wanted to give
Speaker 2: you is Kim, the eyewitness who came back on to
Speaker 2: update us on her imber siting. Kim contacted me to
Speaker 2: let me know that unfortunately the dog Men found her.
Speaker 2: They found out where she lives, and they've been watching her.
Speaker 2: That's bad in a way, but it might be good
Speaker 2: news in a way. What I'm getting at is we
Speaker 2: had a good conversation last weekend about this, and after
Speaker 2: talking with her about what's been going on, she's been
Speaker 2: seeing a pair of eyes in the woods, and she
Speaker 2: can make out a silhouette that looks like is probably
Speaker 2: a fairly decent sized male dog man that's been watching her. Well,
Speaker 2: there's another set of eyes where she hasn't been able
Speaker 2: to see what those eyes belong to very well. Well,
Speaker 2: after we had been speaking for some time, I told her,
Speaker 2: I said, well, you know, it sure sounds to me
Speaker 2: like you do know who owns those eyes that are
Speaker 2: more distant. I told her, I'm pretty sure that's Ember.
Speaker 2: It's Imber and her escort basically that have found her
Speaker 2: in they're watching her house. She got excited when I
Speaker 2: posed that idea. We don't know that's the case, but
Speaker 2: she got kind of excited when I brought that possibility up.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what's going on, Maybe it's not. We really
Speaker 2: don't know, but like I told her, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: time will tell. I don't think it's going to be
Speaker 2: all that long before whoever those dogmen are, they really
Speaker 2: make their presence known and she'll be able to get
Speaker 2: a good look consequently. Well enough on that, let's bring
Speaker 2: on tonight's guest. Tonight's guest is Nicole. Nicole, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: Hi, Vick, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for coming. We appreciate your time. Nicole.
Speaker 2: You've got a unique encounter to share with this tonight.
Speaker 2: Most encounters, the eyewitnesses felt like they're about to be attacked,
Speaker 2: sometimes even killed. But your encounter was a different kind
Speaker 2: of encounter. We're going to get into the meat and
Speaker 2: potatoes of that later on, but your encounter is kind
Speaker 2: of a fresh breath of air for me because lately
Speaker 2: it's been bad encounter after bad encounter. I was contacted,
Speaker 2: what two three days ago from a guy who claims
Speaker 2: that a sasquatch that he's interacted with for years saved
Speaker 2: his life from a dog mean that was trying to
Speaker 2: kill him. So that's just one more bad encounter that
Speaker 2: I've been made aware of and I've been trying to
Speaker 2: help people with. So, like I said, talk with you
Speaker 2: about your encounter and hear what actually happened. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: why I'm saying. It's kind of like a fresh breath
Speaker 2: of air. But like I said, we'll get into that
Speaker 2: in a bit. Before we do, we need to cover
Speaker 2: some other things, such as, please give us a brief
Speaker 2: bio in yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm Nicole. I was born and raised in a
Speaker 3: small town in Georgia, where I lived in a very
Speaker 3: haunted house with my grandparents. I lived there until I
Speaker 3: was about eighteen or nineteen, where I moved into my
Speaker 3: mom's house in an even smaller town in Georgia, which
Speaker 3: is where I actually had my dog man encounter. And
Speaker 3: then shortly after that, I moved here to Florida for
Speaker 3: a job, where I've now been ever since. And I
Speaker 3: live with my husband and our two rescue dogs and
Speaker 3: our rescue cat. And that's about it. I work from home,
Speaker 3: and I spend most of my time hanging out with
Speaker 3: our animals. I'm very passionate about rescuing animals, and I
Speaker 3: donate my time to the local shelters and whatnot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's where most of my time and where my heart
Speaker 3: lies is with them.
Speaker 2: Well that's great. I think that's great that you rescue animals.
Speaker 2: What you do? What kind of dogs do you have?
Speaker 3: I have a Rhodesian ridge back and I have a
Speaker 3: pit mix. The ridge back is about five years old.
Speaker 3: We rescued him at the start of the lockdown for COVID.
Speaker 3: Our local shelter was trying to clear out as many
Speaker 3: animals as they could as everything was shutting down around here.
Speaker 3: And we've worked with them before in the past, and
Speaker 3: they were like, hey, do y'all want to come get
Speaker 3: a dog to foster or take one on? And I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm not gonna just foster. I'm going to
Speaker 3: take one, so let me come take a look. And
Speaker 3: I got my little spoiled baby. And then our pit mix.
Speaker 3: He's about thirteen years old. Now he's an old man.
Speaker 3: He's our gentle giant.
Speaker 2: I'll bet those two keep you busy, don't they.
Speaker 3: They sure do, especially the ridgeback.
Speaker 2: I'll bet I'll bet they do. But that's great though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: glad you do that sort of thing. Nicole, you said
Speaker 2: that you were raised in a hunted house. Do you
Speaker 2: think there's a chance that just might have prepared you,
Speaker 2: at least a little for the encounter that you're going
Speaker 2: to tell us about.
Speaker 3: Tonight, Yeah, I would say so, it definitely, you know,
Speaker 3: from a I mean, I had encounters with spirits from
Speaker 3: when I was a baby, like things I don't even remember,
Speaker 3: but my mom and grandma would tell me about. But
Speaker 3: I had plenty, you know, throughout all the way up
Speaker 3: through my teenage years there and then as an adult,
Speaker 3: I still have had things happen. So I was very
Speaker 3: open minded about you know, other things I had. As
Speaker 3: I told you, I had never heard of the term
Speaker 3: dog man until a couple of months ago and then
Speaker 3: was turned towards your show. So when I saw what
Speaker 3: I saw, the only thing I had to go off
Speaker 3: of was you know, movie where wolves, and I didn't
Speaker 3: know such a thing existed, but I definitely, you know,
Speaker 3: wasn't opposed to there being such a thing because I'd
Speaker 3: always believed in in the sasquatch and I never you know,
Speaker 3: I've never seen one of those either, But I just
Speaker 3: who am I to say what is or isn't out there?
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's true, well as you've seen with
Speaker 2: your own two eyes. I mean, if dog men could
Speaker 2: be out there, who knows what could be out there?
Speaker 2: So it's a wild world definitely, and I'm wondering, how
Speaker 2: did you find out what it was that you had
Speaker 2: that encounter with, or are those two encounters with?
Speaker 3: I should say, well, I didn't really have anybody to
Speaker 3: truly talk about it, and anytime I've brought it up,
Speaker 3: you know, people were like, that doesn't exist. And whenever
Speaker 3: I would like try to look it up, you know,
Speaker 3: I would look up wear wolves or whatnot, and I
Speaker 3: never came across the term dog man until about two
Speaker 3: or three months ago. I saw a TikTok video of
Speaker 3: an encounter somebody had with a dog man in Mexico,
Speaker 3: and all the comments were telling her to come to
Speaker 3: you and that they should check out your show, and
Speaker 3: so I was like, what's a dog man? So I
Speaker 3: looked up your show, started listening to it, doing research,
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, so that's what I saw.
Speaker 3: So here we are, you know, fourteen years later, and
Speaker 3: I'm finally just understanding what I saw.
Speaker 2: Well better late than ever. I'm so glad you found
Speaker 2: out what these guys are and what they're called. From
Speaker 2: what I understand, you told your husband about the two
Speaker 2: encounters we're going to talk about tonight. How did he respond? Though?
Speaker 3: You cut out for a se I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. From what I understand, you told
Speaker 2: your husband about the two encounters that we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about tonight. How did you respond when you told him?
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he does not believe in me. He does
Speaker 3: not believe in anything paranormal. And like I said, I've
Speaker 3: you know, I grew up in a haunted house, and
Speaker 3: I've had stuff happen here because I inherited things from
Speaker 3: my grandparents' house that I was raised in, and there's
Speaker 3: definitely a things attached to some of those objects. So
Speaker 3: we have things here happen in our house. I know
Speaker 3: for a fact he's witnessed these things, but he's always
Speaker 3: trying to find a way to explain these things away.
Speaker 3: And as everybody will hear later in my story, I
Speaker 3: was in a lot of pain during the time of
Speaker 3: my encounter, and so he just simply thinks that I
Speaker 3: was just like hallucinating or just delusional and delirious from
Speaker 3: the amount of pain I was in. But I saw
Speaker 3: what I saw.
Speaker 2: Well, of course you did, and shame on him for
Speaker 2: thinking that somehow you could do that. He knows you're
Speaker 2: of sound mind, he knows you're not a liar. So
Speaker 2: if you tell him that that's what you saw, he
Speaker 2: should take that. So the fact he doesn't that makes
Speaker 2: me not a big fan of his. I'm just going
Speaker 2: to tell you right now. That's right, all right, Nicole,
Speaker 2: Please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us ever
Speaker 2: last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Okay, So, like I said, I grew up in one
Speaker 3: small town most of my life, and then I briefly
Speaker 3: moved in with my mother because I was primarily raised
Speaker 3: by my grandparents, and after my grandmother passed away, I
Speaker 3: moved in briefly with my mother, who had recently moved
Speaker 3: to an even smaller town. And when I say a
Speaker 3: small I mean like she was in a brand new
Speaker 3: build neighborhood, like one of the first new neighborhoods in
Speaker 3: this area. Everything else around her were old farmhouses that
Speaker 3: had been there for years and years and years, and
Speaker 3: those houses, you know, owned on the land around them,
Speaker 3: and it was just farmland and woods surrounding this little
Speaker 3: neighborhood that she was in. And if you said you
Speaker 3: were going to town, you were basically going down to
Speaker 3: Maybury like you would go down a country road. And
Speaker 3: there was like a bank, an old school, pharmacy, city hall,
Speaker 3: the fire station, and like a tiny restaurant and a
Speaker 3: barber shop, and that was it. And you might cross
Speaker 3: the tracks and there was like an old school and
Speaker 3: that was all there was. So at the time, they
Speaker 3: were just starting to like build up around the area
Speaker 3: that my mom had moved into, and they had cleared
Speaker 3: out some of the woods to the left of her
Speaker 3: neighborhood and there was nothing built yet. It was just
Speaker 3: cleared out, and they were getting ready to start building something.
Speaker 3: So I had a black lab at the time, and
Speaker 3: I like to take her and I would go down
Speaker 3: where they were about to start building the neighborhood to
Speaker 3: the left, and we would walk all the way to
Speaker 3: the back of that and then cut over this like
Speaker 3: little just a little area that was by a pond
Speaker 3: that would then take you into the woods that were
Speaker 3: behind those two neighborhood properties. And we would go over
Speaker 3: there and there'd be a pond and we'd go fishing.
Speaker 3: I would let my dog off the leash and we'd
Speaker 3: play on the hills over there, and I'd just kind
Speaker 3: of explore the woods and stuff. And we were over
Speaker 3: there this one day, just walking around around out in
Speaker 3: the woods and I Unfortunately, I suffer from something called endometriosis,
Speaker 3: and it causes me to have really really intense pain
Speaker 3: flare ups at times. And it just so happened I
Speaker 3: happened to have one of these pain flare ups while
Speaker 3: we were out in those woods and by this point
Speaker 3: where we're not too far from my mom's neighborhood, but
Speaker 3: we've gone, you know, far enough into the woods to
Speaker 3: where we're two three miles away at this point, and
Speaker 3: I can tell the pain is just gonna get worse
Speaker 3: and worse, and I'm not gonna be able to walk
Speaker 3: back home, like I can barely move when I'm having
Speaker 3: this sort of pain. But you had alone, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to walk a couple of miles like that's unheard of.
Speaker 3: So the only thing I could do was there's a place,
Speaker 3: like on the other side of the pond that we
Speaker 3: were at, that would take you to this little bridge
Speaker 3: that went across a small stream and then came out
Speaker 3: onto one of the old country roads that was kind
Speaker 3: of connected to a farm over towards the front of
Speaker 3: my mom's neighborhood. And I thought, well, well, if I
Speaker 3: can just make it over there, that's not as far
Speaker 3: and I can call my mom and have her, you know,
Speaker 3: come over to that road and pick us up. So
Speaker 3: I head out over there and I get over the
Speaker 3: bridge and I call my mom. And this was around
Speaker 3: the holidays, and she was, you know, like baking or
Speaker 3: getting stuff ready for Thanksgiving or Christmas or something, and
Speaker 3: she said, well, I'm in the middle of this, but
Speaker 3: just hang out there a little while and I'll come
Speaker 3: get you. And I was like, all right. So me
Speaker 3: and my dog were on this bridge and we're all
Speaker 3: the way on the far left side of the bridge,
Speaker 3: which is closest to that like country Stone Road, and
Speaker 3: on the right side of the bridge, it's got the
Speaker 3: pond to the right, and then to the left is
Speaker 3: some woods. And at this point, just that little bit
Speaker 3: of walking has got my pain just to absolute next level,
Speaker 3: like I can't breathe. I'm starting to, you know, starting
Speaker 3: feel like I'm gonna pass out, where your body goes
Speaker 3: super hot and cold all at the same time. And
Speaker 3: so I just sit down on the on the bridge,
Speaker 3: and I'm just sitting down there next to my dog,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'll just you know, sit here, try
Speaker 3: to breathe and let this pass and and wait for
Speaker 3: my mom to get there. And as I'm sitting there,
Speaker 3: I mean, and I had only just sat down, like
Speaker 3: this all happened so fast, So this thing had to
Speaker 3: have been watching me, because as like no sooner had
Speaker 3: I sat down, I see and hear movement coming from
Speaker 3: that woodline on the other side of the bridge. Now
Speaker 3: over here, it wasn't unusual for me to see deer
Speaker 3: or wild turkeys or something like that coming out and
Speaker 3: coming over there to that pond. So I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna have some nice animal company while
Speaker 3: I'm waiting here.
Speaker 4: But no, this, this big, gray, hunched over were wolf
Speaker 4: like creature steps out from those woods and walks up
Speaker 4: to the end of the bridge.
Speaker 3: This thing was dark gray with almost like a blue
Speaker 3: cast to its fur, and it was kind of it
Speaker 3: was kind of like a cross between like one of
Speaker 3: the Underworld were wolves and remas Slooping from Harry Potter.
Speaker 3: It was very hunched over and muscular, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: like huge, like it wasn't like the van helsing were
Speaker 3: wolf like I've heard some people describe. This thing was
Speaker 3: about i'd say seven feet tall. It might have been taller,
Speaker 3: but it stayed very hunched over, like it was trying
Speaker 3: to appear smaller and less menacing. And I'm about six
Speaker 3: feet tall myself. So this thing it approaches the end
Speaker 3: of the bridge and it it just it squats down
Speaker 3: on all fours because it's walked out of that clearing
Speaker 3: on two legs and now it's squatting down at the
Speaker 3: end of the bridge. And it had like, you know,
Speaker 3: the backwards like looking legs, like like one of my
Speaker 3: dogs has. But when it sat down the front like
Speaker 3: it had basically hands with claws, So it wasn't like
Speaker 3: when my dogs, you know, just sitting there. It was
Speaker 3: like a man with dog feet and a dog head,
Speaker 3: just squatting there in front of me. And like I said,
Speaker 3: I'm about six feet tall, so this thing wasn't much
Speaker 3: taller than me once it was squatting down like that,
Speaker 3: so at the most it was probably seven feet tall
Speaker 3: or so. Well, the thing's looking at me. It's not
Speaker 3: showing me its teeth. It never once like truly tried
Speaker 3: to look menacing at me. But it was still scary
Speaker 3: because I'm sitting here thinking, oh my god, this is
Speaker 3: a werewolf, you know, and I'm already in pain and
Speaker 3: there's no way I can, you know, try to run
Speaker 3: from this thing. I'm as vulnerable as you possibly could
Speaker 3: be right now, and I'm just my blood has gone
Speaker 3: from running cold to just being completely solid ice in
Speaker 3: my veins. I don't know what to do. I'm freaking out.
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I'm not taking my eyes off of the creature,
Speaker 3: but I'm trying to avoid eye contact with it because
Speaker 3: i don't want it to feel threatened or like I'm
Speaker 3: challenging it or anything. But I also, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't want to look like I'm challenging it or anything.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get up and run and you know,
Speaker 3: make it think that it's a game, you know, come
Speaker 3: and get me. So I'm just still sitting there, just
Speaker 3: looking at it. And my dog, My dog, she was
Speaker 3: not afraid of anything to her. Every person, every animal
Speaker 3: was just a new playmate for her. She was never afraid,
Speaker 3: and she certainly was not an attack dog. But this
Speaker 3: thing scared her to death and she started cowering behind
Speaker 3: my back, and that just added to my fear because
Speaker 3: I've never seen this dog get scared, and I never
Speaker 3: saw her get scared again. And so I'm like, Okay, great.
Speaker 3: If she is scared, then I know we're in a pickle.
Speaker 3: This is awful, and so I'm just freaking out. And
Speaker 3: now this thing is scooting kind of scoot closer to me.
Speaker 3: It's very slow, it's still in all fours, and it's
Speaker 3: just kind of creeping closer to me and tilting its head.
Speaker 3: I can still see it now in my mind. It's terrifying,
Speaker 3: and it's just kind of tilting its head like a
Speaker 3: curious dog, like trying to figure me out. And as
Speaker 3: it's creeping closer to me, my dog starts freaking out
Speaker 3: even more, and it's just practically trying to crawl into
Speaker 3: my back right now, and it's just whimpering and whining,
Speaker 3: and that draws the dog man's attention even more, like
Speaker 3: it's now more curious about what my dog's doing, and
Speaker 3: it stands up on two legs again and starts moving
Speaker 3: across the bridge towards me. And all I could think
Speaker 3: of was that scene in the Silver Bullet when the
Speaker 3: kid's out on the bridge on fourth of July, and
Speaker 3: that where Wolf Priest is coming at. But so the
Speaker 3: dog Man's walking towards me, and at this point I
Speaker 3: just go into full panic. I'm crying, I'm yelling, and
Speaker 3: I'm going, please don't hurt me. I'm hurt. I have
Speaker 3: somebody coming to get me. I don't mean to be
Speaker 3: intruding on your territory. I'll I'll be gone in just
Speaker 3: a moment. Please don't hurt me. And I was like,
Speaker 3: if you do have to hurt one of us, please
Speaker 3: take me, let my baby go. And I'm just begging
Speaker 3: this thing for my life because I don't know what
Speaker 3: it's about to do. It's just coming closer and closer
Speaker 3: to me, and of course, you know, I'm sitting down
Speaker 3: on the ground, so this huge thing is over me
Speaker 3: and it's just as menacing as you could think. And
Speaker 3: finally it kind of stops. It doesn't make it all
Speaker 3: the way up over to me. It's just kind of
Speaker 3: like halfway across the bridge, and I all of a
Speaker 3: sudden just have this calmness wash over me and this
Speaker 3: feeling of everything's gonna be okay. The panic immediately leaves
Speaker 3: my body, and it's like I didn't hear like a
Speaker 3: foreign voice. It was just like this thing took over
Speaker 3: my inner monologue and started telling me, hush, hush, you're okay.
Speaker 3: Nobody means you any harm. You're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: And it kind of backed away from me, and it
Speaker 3: was it was like something was asking me, like, are
Speaker 3: you hurt? Are you in trouble? Do you need help?
Speaker 3: That's all I'm looking for is to see if you
Speaker 3: need help. And so the thing has slowly backed away
Speaker 3: from me at this point, and I'm I kind of
Speaker 3: look at it and I'm I fay out loud. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're concerned about me. And I'm just shocked because to
Speaker 3: think that, you know, here's this big werewolf thing and
Speaker 3: it's trying to make me feel better. And I started explaining,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm I'm not injured, I'm sick, I have
Speaker 3: something wrong with me, but I'm okay, and there's somebody
Speaker 3: coming to get me, and I will be out of
Speaker 3: your territory in just a moment. And it just backed
Speaker 3: away from me, and it went back into the woods,
Speaker 3: not all the way into the woods, but just far
Speaker 3: enough into the treeline to where if somebody was to
Speaker 3: walk up on us, they wouldn't spot it without knowing
Speaker 3: where it was. And it just watched me, and I
Speaker 3: kept watching it. I didn't want to turn my back
Speaker 3: on it. But I slowly, and I mean as slowly
Speaker 3: as I could, stood up. I grabbed my dog by
Speaker 3: the leash, and I backed down my side of the
Speaker 3: bridge and got closer to the road. And I never
Speaker 3: took my eyes off of this dog man, and it
Speaker 3: never took its eyes off of me either. And I'm
Speaker 3: just standing there trembling, like because even though this thing
Speaker 3: seems to be letting me go and it's acting like it's,
Speaker 3: you know, concerned, I don't know if it's just trying
Speaker 3: to catch me, you know, in my guard down or whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't think this thing is my new best friend
Speaker 3: out here in the woods. And I'm just watching it
Speaker 3: while it watches me, and I'm just praying, like a mom,
Speaker 3: please get here as fast as you can. And in
Speaker 3: a few minutes the car pulls up. This thing is
Speaker 3: still watching me. I grab my dog, I throw it
Speaker 3: into the back of the car, and then I hopped
Speaker 3: in the car with my mom and while I'm still
Speaker 3: watching the woods, and it finally turns and leaves. Now,
Speaker 3: my mom and I we don't really have that good
Speaker 3: of a relationship. And as soon as I get in
Speaker 3: the car, she's just kind of scolding me and saying, like,
Speaker 3: why were you out there in the woods when you
Speaker 3: knew you could have had a pain flare up like this?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, Mom, I didn't know. It just caught
Speaker 3: me off guard, which it really did. And I'm crying
Speaker 3: and sobbing, but it's, you know, mostly because I just
Speaker 3: have this encounter, but she doesn't know that. She just
Speaker 3: thinks I'm in pain, which I still am, you know,
Speaker 3: in terrible pain. But I'm now freaking out about this
Speaker 3: thing I just saw. But I'm not going to tell
Speaker 3: her because even though she is sensitive to paranormal things
Speaker 3: like I am, she has never really believed in anything
Speaker 3: like this, and so I'm not about to try and
Speaker 3: explain what I saw to her. I had a cousin
Speaker 3: that lived in the mountains and had different encounters with things,
Speaker 3: and most of my family mocked him and made jokes
Speaker 3: about him, and my mom was one of those people.
Speaker 3: So I didn't open up to her. I just sat there,
Speaker 3: you know, in silence, just trying to process what I saw.
Speaker 3: And well, later that night, I'm now back home and
Speaker 3: I'm up in my bed and I'm just trying to
Speaker 3: drown out my thoughts. With a TV. And my dog's
Speaker 3: up there and she's now seems like she's gotten over experience.
Speaker 3: She's just calmed down on the bed, and I get
Speaker 3: this urge all of a sudden to go look out
Speaker 3: the window. I try to fight it because I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is weird, you know what if that thing's out there,
Speaker 3: and but I get up. I'm like, well, I'm up
Speaker 3: here on the second floor. This thing hopefully can't keep
Speaker 3: me inside my house up here. So I walk over
Speaker 3: to the window and across the road from my house
Speaker 3: is one of our neighbor's house that backs up into
Speaker 3: the woodline and just out of those woods and into
Speaker 3: the clearing right where like just enough for the moon
Speaker 3: and one of the street lights to kind of shine
Speaker 3: on it. As that dog man, and it's looking up
Speaker 3: at me in my room, and I'm looking down at it,
Speaker 3: and then that feeling takes over my mind again again.
Speaker 3: It's not like I'm hearing some foreign voice. It's just
Speaker 3: my inner dialogue, but it's like it's being controlled by
Speaker 3: something else. And it was like, hey, you're still all right.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to make sure that you're safe and
Speaker 3: you're okay, and I'm just kind of like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: fine by leave me alone, you know, because I just
Speaker 3: want this thing away from me. I don't want to
Speaker 3: have anything else to do with this thing. And it
Speaker 3: just kind of looks at me and then turns and
Speaker 3: goes back into those woods, and I never saw it again.
Speaker 3: It wasn't but about three or four months later I
Speaker 3: moved away from there. It wasn't because of that. I
Speaker 3: just happened to have a job already lined up here
Speaker 3: in Florida that I was waiting for the new year
Speaker 3: to come for me to start. But the last couple
Speaker 3: of months that I lived there, I never wandered down
Speaker 3: to the pond or into the woods ever again. And
Speaker 3: I've only been back to my mom's house maybe three
Speaker 3: or four times. Again, we're not very close, so I
Speaker 3: don't really have much of a reason to go back.
Speaker 3: And I do have a little brother, but if I
Speaker 3: want to see him, he usually comes here, because I mean,
Speaker 3: we're in Florida and have all the theme parks, so
Speaker 3: of course he'd rather come here than me go there.
Speaker 3: And now that place is so grown with so many
Speaker 3: businesses and restaurants and warehouses and tons of new neighborhoods,
Speaker 3: that there's really no longer that big wooded area or
Speaker 3: the farmland anymore. It's all, you know, taken over by
Speaker 3: your typical modern, modern world that we live in. So
Speaker 3: I don't even know where that dog man could live
Speaker 3: over there without being bothered by humans at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was the only time I saw it was that
Speaker 3: day on the bridge and then later that night. And
Speaker 3: that's the only encounter I've ever had with a dog man,
Speaker 3: and I hope I I never have one ever again.
Speaker 3: And that's that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us. Yeah, I can never
Speaker 2: have another encounter again. Also, you're getting pretty worked up
Speaker 2: there talking about those experiences. Let's shift gears a little bit.
Speaker 2: We can get back into the whole dogma thing and
Speaker 2: just a bit, but let's kind of shift gears here
Speaker 2: to help calm you down. Are you ready for the
Speaker 2: holidays or do you still have to do all of
Speaker 2: your shopping?
Speaker 3: I still have to do shopping, but I'm definitely ready
Speaker 3: for the holidays. Christmas is my absolute favorite time of year.
Speaker 3: I've been saying I just want to go ahead and
Speaker 3: put the tree up now, but I usually do that
Speaker 3: at midnight on Halloween.
Speaker 2: Really midnight on Halloween.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so as soon as late the trigger treaters are gone,
Speaker 3: I take down all the Halloween stuff inside, and I
Speaker 3: put up all the Christmas stuff, and then the next
Speaker 3: day I down the outside stuff and then put up
Speaker 3: my Christmas stuff. My neighborhood's always like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: Christmas time when Nichole starts putting out her stuff and
Speaker 3: then they all follow suit.
Speaker 2: Wow, you're really into it. Then I see you're even
Speaker 2: crazier about Christmas than I am.
Speaker 3: I love Christmas. I'm definitely a Christmas girl. Buy Christmas
Speaker 3: things all year round. I wear a lot of Christmas
Speaker 3: clothes year round. I love it.
Speaker 2: Have you got my present yet? Though?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna get you a DVD of the classic
Speaker 3: wolf Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a good present. That'd be okay, that's funny.
Speaker 2: Are you sure you're ready to talk about these encounters,
Speaker 2: because if you want to unwind a little longer, we
Speaker 2: can definitely do that.
Speaker 3: No, I'm okay. I think I got more nervous just
Speaker 3: knowing that there is an audience. I've always been a
Speaker 3: bit a bit shy and introverted, so and being really
Speaker 3: brave to come on here and talk about this, but
Speaker 3: I really, I really wanted to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very brave. It's not an easy group of experiences
Speaker 2: to talk about, number one, but yeah, I mean most
Speaker 2: people weren't comfortable to talk to audiences, so it's like
Speaker 2: a double whammy. I get it. I feel so bad
Speaker 2: for you, the Nicole. It sounds like you went a
Speaker 2: long time after having these experiences before you could confide
Speaker 2: in anyone. How long was it.
Speaker 3: I mean I tried, you know, like a couple of friends,
Speaker 3: and they would just kind of laugh it off and
Speaker 3: think I was joking. And I mean that was within
Speaker 3: you know, the first few months of it happening, and
Speaker 3: nobody really took it seriously. Like I had said, the
Speaker 3: only person that I knew of that had ever experienced
Speaker 3: I don't know if he'd ever experienced a dog man
Speaker 3: per se, but I knew he had encountered other things
Speaker 3: was my cousin, who was half Native American and his
Speaker 3: mother was Native American, and she had brought him up,
Speaker 3: you know, teaching him about all the things out in
Speaker 3: the woods, and they lived in an area where he
Speaker 3: he claimed he saw things and he would try to
Speaker 3: talk about it, and my family ridiculed him, and I
Speaker 3: always listened to him, but he had actually passed away
Speaker 3: from cancer. Unfortunately by the time I had my own experience,
Speaker 3: so I didn't have anybody else I could talk to.
Speaker 3: And ironically, he had a pet wolf, like an actual
Speaker 3: one hundred percent wolf that he had raised and rescued
Speaker 3: as a pub so then he would have been like
Speaker 3: the perfect person to talk to about this sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have been shame and your family for
Speaker 2: ridiculing him though. That's horrible. Yeah, m h yeah, that
Speaker 2: really is. But from what you've told me, I guess
Speaker 2: that's kind of what I should expect. I mean, it
Speaker 2: sounds like it does tend to run family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2: Were you more hung up on trying to figure out
Speaker 2: how in the world this thing was able to use
Speaker 2: your inner dialogue to communicate with you, or were you
Speaker 2: more just struck from the fact that, Okay, I just
Speaker 2: saw something. It looks like a dead ringer for a
Speaker 2: wear wolve.
Speaker 3: I mean it was both. I was absolutely floored to
Speaker 3: see such a thing because, I mean, you see them
Speaker 3: on movies all the time, and I liked, you know,
Speaker 3: horror movies growing up. I still do, And but I
Speaker 3: just never expected to see, you know, something from the
Speaker 3: screen right in front of me. But whenever I tried
Speaker 3: to do research, like I said, I would you know,
Speaker 3: look up wear wolves and stuff, and I would look
Speaker 3: up like hearing like the voices from like a cryptid
Speaker 3: or something like I was, you know, looking up all
Speaker 3: different things. And one thing I had learned over the
Speaker 3: years long before just I just learned about, you know,
Speaker 3: what a dog man was a couple of months ago,
Speaker 3: but I had learned about the kind of feeling I
Speaker 3: had when it was doing the mind speak because I
Speaker 3: read and heard several people who had had encounters with vampires,
Speaker 3: usually in Louisiana, and they had very similar experiences to
Speaker 3: what I had with this dog man, with it basically
Speaker 3: like just taking over my inner monologue, controlling my feelings
Speaker 3: and whatnot. And so that was helpful. So I at
Speaker 3: least had that to go on for a few years,
Speaker 3: but it was very few and far between on what
Speaker 3: I could find on you know, like werewolves and stuff.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I stumbled across that one video
Speaker 3: on TikTok and saw on the comments people were saying, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a dog man and you should talk to Vic
Speaker 3: about dog man encounters, and I was like, wait, do
Speaker 3: I have a new lead. Let me check this out.
Speaker 3: And then for the past couple of months I have
Speaker 3: been listening and going down a rabbit hole and doing
Speaker 3: more research, and I was like, Okay, I think it's
Speaker 3: time I can finally call somebody and find a community
Speaker 3: that will understand me and not ridicule me.
Speaker 2: Well, it goes with that saying I'm so glad you
Speaker 2: found out about me and what I do and found
Speaker 2: out about this show. You're going to get nothing but
Speaker 2: support here. No one's going to make fun of you.
Speaker 2: So of course I'm so glad you've got access to that.
Speaker 2: As far as how an experience like that would affect you,
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, two encounters, but the first encounter was
Speaker 2: more of an encounter than the second one because you're
Speaker 2: removed and you're looking down from your bedroom and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But can you think of any long lasting effects that
Speaker 2: you are dealing with today, whether negative or positive, that
Speaker 2: you can point to the first encounter directly at that
Speaker 2: first encounter as being responsible for these effects that you're experiencing.
Speaker 3: I sometimes, especially if I'm out like walking the dogs,
Speaker 3: like in the evening, it's it's Florida, so it's hot here,
Speaker 3: so it's more comfortable to go out in the evening.
Speaker 3: And sometimes I'll be by the woodline and I'll hear
Speaker 3: a snapper crackle coming from the trees and suddenly I'm
Speaker 3: back there. And sometimes I told you about this the
Speaker 3: other day. My oldest dog, Tiger, he'll there's times where
Speaker 3: he'll look at me and it's just like looking at
Speaker 3: that dog man's face again, just something about how he'll
Speaker 3: turn his head a certain way and his eyes will
Speaker 3: look a certain way and and it just like makes
Speaker 3: my blood run cold for a moment, and I'll then
Speaker 3: have to like go pat him and be like, don't
Speaker 3: look at me like that. I love you, but you're
Speaker 3: scaring me right now.
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you in the first conversation, that's
Speaker 2: not just you. Yeah, a lot of eyewitnesses report that
Speaker 2: they'll look at their dogs, and their dogs have a
Speaker 2: certain an expression, especially the ones that look like shepherds.
Speaker 2: They'll move a certain way and it just freaks out
Speaker 2: the eyewitnesses and understandably so, I mean, some dogs can
Speaker 2: look pretty similar to dog men down on all fours
Speaker 2: at times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they can.
Speaker 2: You talked about being next to the woodline, were you
Speaker 2: alone at the time. Does that mean that, even though
Speaker 2: you've had these experiences, you're able to go near the
Speaker 2: woods or into the woods by yourself. Now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I still go. I always have one
Speaker 3: of the dogs with me, usually my ridge back, because
Speaker 3: our senior dog, Tiger, he's thirteen years old. He can't
Speaker 3: really hang out as long as as me and our
Speaker 3: younger dog can. Now he's having a harder time moving around,
Speaker 3: but the little one has lots of energy, so he's
Speaker 3: my walking buddy. We've ran racist together and stuff, and
Speaker 3: we wander around the woods and the swamp land over
Speaker 3: here sometimes.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's great, that's really good. When you've been doing
Speaker 2: those things in the woods. Has there ever been a
Speaker 2: time where you thought, Okay, I think we've got a
Speaker 2: dog men nearby?
Speaker 3: There was I never saw anything else again, but I
Speaker 3: don't think I even mentioned it to you or in
Speaker 3: the story. But the smell. There was one time where
Speaker 3: I smelled the smell that I smelled on that bridge
Speaker 3: that day, and I was like, whoa that? And I
Speaker 3: didn't know what a dog man was, but I was like,
Speaker 3: that smells like a were wolf. And I I telled
Speaker 3: at home immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand, why better do you use caution
Speaker 2: than to risk having another encounter that doesn't need to
Speaker 2: happen normally, I can get a pretty good beat on this,
Speaker 2: But with how you've laid it out there, I'm still unsure.
Speaker 2: It's obviously your husband doesn't believe you when you talk
Speaker 2: about having these encounters. Has that strained your relationship with
Speaker 2: him in any way?
Speaker 3: Not really, because I just I don't feel the need
Speaker 3: to have to bring it up that much. The only
Speaker 3: time when we ever, like really argue about anything is when,
Speaker 3: like I said, there's we've definitely had paranormal things happen here.
Speaker 3: I inherited stuff from my grandparents house that was the
Speaker 3: haunted house I grew up in, and there's definitely things
Speaker 3: attached to some of those items, and ever since we
Speaker 3: brought those into our house, things started happening. And I
Speaker 3: know that he's experienced these things because he's even talked
Speaker 3: to me about them. But then I'm like, oh see,
Speaker 3: you see like it happens, and He's like he was
Speaker 3: it was just a shadow, the lighting was weird, maybe
Speaker 3: like if something moves. He's like, maybe I just put it,
Speaker 3: you know, too close to the edge of the counter.
Speaker 3: Like he it's like he's scared and he just needs
Speaker 3: to put any kind of excuse in front of it
Speaker 3: rather than say that it's something paranormal.
Speaker 2: Well, of course he does. And the funny part about that, Nicole,
Speaker 2: is that, right there is a kind of eyewitness who
Speaker 2: always has the most trouble coming to terms with their experiences.
Speaker 2: When you've got a person like that contacted me, I
Speaker 2: know I've got my work cut out for me, because yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of cases, it makes their life
Speaker 2: just fall apart. It really does.
Speaker 3: Like I said, you know, like I've never seen anything
Speaker 3: else as far as a dog man, but I did
Speaker 3: have that similar smell the one time. That was in
Speaker 3: the like the swamp area around our house, because our
Speaker 3: house now it goes right up to the woods, like
Speaker 3: our garage is right there. Like I step out of
Speaker 3: the garage and right into the woods and head into
Speaker 3: the swamp area. So I'm always like, I hope there
Speaker 3: was there wasn't a dog man out there, And if
Speaker 3: there is, I hope he doesn't ever come over here
Speaker 3: because my husband is going to be like, oh, that's
Speaker 3: just a big animal, let me go out there and
Speaker 3: challenge it. And I don't want him to go out there,
Speaker 3: and that's with something like that. And I know he
Speaker 3: would because he'd be like, oh, let me just prove
Speaker 3: to you it's just a big animal, you know. Let
Speaker 3: me grab grab a weapon and go out there. And
Speaker 3: I just would hate for him to do that because
Speaker 3: it would not end.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it sure wouldn't. Ye, it's good you know that.
Speaker 2: If your house is right there up against the woods
Speaker 2: like that, can you still go out at night to
Speaker 2: take the trash out or check the mail, get into
Speaker 2: the car truck or do you try to be a
Speaker 2: shut away after dark?
Speaker 3: I still go out there, but it's always very nerve wracking,
Speaker 3: especially when I have to go out there and get
Speaker 3: the trash can, like from behind the garage. It's just
Speaker 3: very nerve wracking. There's some nights where it gets almost
Speaker 3: too quiet, and I do, like I look around and
Speaker 3: I'm like, this, something ain't right. It's just too quiet
Speaker 3: around here. And you know that's when they say there's
Speaker 3: different things and not necessarily dog man, but something's around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, listen to your instincts. I always recommend that
Speaker 2: people do that.
Speaker 3: I just do what I have to do and then
Speaker 3: get back in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah all, bet, and I understand. Well, like I said,
Speaker 2: if your house is that close to the woods, right
Speaker 2: upon it sounds like after dark, are you ocd about
Speaker 2: making sure every last door and window was locked?
Speaker 3: Yes, I but I have always been like that, just
Speaker 3: as a child for some reason, like my grandparents would
Speaker 3: always have all the windows open because we didn't have
Speaker 3: ac for the longest time growing up. So like my
Speaker 3: my grandparents would have all the windows and doors open
Speaker 3: throughout the day and then they would close them at night.
Speaker 3: And I've always been a night owl, so I would
Speaker 3: usually stay up by myself when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: and I didn't like it if they didn't shut like
Speaker 3: a window all the way or something. I always had
Speaker 3: this just feeling like something was watching me. And so
Speaker 3: ever since I was a kid, that's been like a
Speaker 3: nightly routine for me to make sure there isn't even
Speaker 3: like a crack coming through a blind or a curtain
Speaker 3: and everything needs to be locked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once bitten twice shy, I can understand why, and
Speaker 2: especially if your houses that close to the woods. I mean,
Speaker 2: you deserve a lot of credit to be able to
Speaker 2: even live there, so I'm impressed most eyewitnesses wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to do that. Well, let's transition over to asking
Speaker 2: the questions from the listeners in the live chat. But
Speaker 2: before we do that, I want to put something out there.
Speaker 2: We've got donations that came in from both Tiffany and
Speaker 2: Long Island Bigfoot. I want to thank both of you
Speaker 2: so much for your support. But to everyone listening, it's
Speaker 2: awfully nice of you to send these donations, but please
Speaker 2: don't even worry about sending donations monetary donations. If you
Speaker 2: have a mind to do that, then instead of doing that,
Speaker 2: please just focus your support that much more on the
Speaker 2: eyewitnesses you hear it coming on the show. Please remember
Speaker 2: that it's not that I don't appreciate the donations, it's
Speaker 2: just I mean, I think it would be better served
Speaker 2: if you just focused even more effort on supporting the guests.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to put that out there for everyone. Well,
Speaker 2: like I said, I definitely appreciate the donations, but you
Speaker 2: definitely don't need to do that. Just by supporting the eyewitnesses,
Speaker 2: you do more than I could ever ask for. Well,
Speaker 2: let's move on to the first question from the a
Speaker 2: guest in the live chat. This is going to be
Speaker 2: from Sheen and Uminaser, and Sheannon wants to know could
Speaker 2: you tell if it was a male or a female.
Speaker 3: I assume it was a male. It I don't know why.
Speaker 3: It just didn't look feminine to me. I you know,
Speaker 3: at the time, I didn't have anything to go off
Speaker 3: of what would be what It's fur was very thick,
Speaker 3: so there wasn't like I could see much like that
Speaker 3: sort of anatomy. But from what I have gathered the
Speaker 3: last couple of months of hearing people that usually the
Speaker 3: female ones are a bit more curvy looking, and this
Speaker 3: was more like a It was muscular and and wasn't
Speaker 3: like curvy or anything like that. It wasn't big. I
Speaker 3: mean it was like seven feet, so it's still big,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't like huge body builder. But it felt
Speaker 3: like a male to me. But I could be wrong,
Speaker 3: but I had nothing to say that it would be female.
Speaker 2: Well, from a distance, it can be pretty difficult to
Speaker 2: tell for sure, but you never know. More than likely
Speaker 2: listening to how it responded to you and everything, there's
Speaker 2: a good possibility it was a female. But we're never
Speaker 2: gonna know. All we can do is guess on that
Speaker 2: ban Bang wants to know. And Nicole, did it smile
Speaker 2: at you?
Speaker 3: No, it didn't. I mean I could see like its
Speaker 3: biggest things like sticking out of the front of its snout,
Speaker 3: but it never like growled or menaced or even you know,
Speaker 3: tried to make a friendly smile. It really felt like
Speaker 3: it was trying to be the least amount of intimidating
Speaker 3: as possible, which it stayed. It stayed, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of squatted down, and then when I panicked and it
Speaker 3: was standing up, it backed away and squatted back down
Speaker 3: like it really tried to. It seemed almost like respectful
Speaker 3: and trying to keep me from being afraid again. Like
Speaker 3: I said, I don't think it was my new best buddy.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was just trying to lure
Speaker 3: me into a sense of safety and hope that, you know,
Speaker 3: next time it could get me. I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it could have had me right then and
Speaker 3: there if it had wanted to. But yeah, it didn't
Speaker 3: like ever really show its full teeth to me or anything.
Speaker 3: I just could see it's big, the biggest thing sticking
Speaker 3: out of the front of its mouth.
Speaker 2: It might have been trying to set you up for
Speaker 2: a fall down the road. But if you think about it,
Speaker 2: it had you dead to rights right there. If it
Speaker 2: wanted to get you, why not just do it then
Speaker 2: and there. I mean, it's possible. I'm never going to
Speaker 2: say it's not, but it just wouldn't make sense in
Speaker 2: my opinion for that reason.
Speaker 3: No, Because I mean I was as vulnerable as you
Speaker 3: could get. I was, you know, sitting on the ground
Speaker 3: out there in the middle of the woods. I was
Speaker 3: an intense pain. If it had wanted me right then
Speaker 3: and there, it could have had me.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, please never lose sight of that fact.
Speaker 2: The next one on deck is from Michigan medi Eater,
Speaker 2: and he wants to know, did you notice anything else
Speaker 2: forrest sounds, gone, smell, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, I forgot to mention the smell
Speaker 3: that it did. It did stinc It smelled like almost
Speaker 3: like a skunky smell mixed with like feces and ammonia.
Speaker 3: As far as the sound. When I'm in that sort
Speaker 3: of pain and I'm already like in that like almost
Speaker 3: blacking out state, my ears kind of go into like
Speaker 3: a buzzing noess like, you know, like when you're about
Speaker 3: to faint, your ears just kind of clog out and
Speaker 3: kind of have that buzzing feeling to them. My I
Speaker 3: was like that at the time from my pain, So
Speaker 3: I honestly wouldn't have known if anything had changed as
Speaker 3: far as sound around me or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, it's so much going on in your mind.
Speaker 2: You're doing good to know your own name, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you deserve a lot of credit for that.
Speaker 2: It looks like Michigan Med Theater has the next one
Speaker 2: up to you. He wants to know. Did you notice
Speaker 2: any type of expression on its face.
Speaker 3: It looked like it just like a curious dog. Like
Speaker 3: it looked like how my dogs do when they hear
Speaker 3: like a new sound or see something for the first time,
Speaker 3: where they're like they almost have me like their their
Speaker 3: little eyebrows kind of go up and cock their head
Speaker 3: to the side. It was if it wasn't so scary looking,
Speaker 3: it would have almost been like a cute face, honestly,
Speaker 3: because how it was looking at me. But I was
Speaker 3: obviously scared and intimidated by it. But it was just
Speaker 3: kind of kept looking me over like it was trying
Speaker 3: to figure me out. And I think that's exactly what
Speaker 3: it was doing, because when it took over, it took
Speaker 3: over my mind. I felt like something was saying like
Speaker 3: are you all right? Are you are you hurt? Do
Speaker 3: you need help? Like it was It's like it was
Speaker 3: trying to figure out, like why is this human just
Speaker 3: sitting here on a bridge like this?
Speaker 2: You know, if it did understand definitively that you did
Speaker 2: need help, I wonder what would have done. It's not
Speaker 2: like it could have cured into the hospital or anything.
Speaker 3: I have. That's the thing I have thought about the
Speaker 3: most over the years for this encounter, and I just wonder,
Speaker 3: like what if I had said, yes, I do need help,
Speaker 3: like with this thing had tried to pick me up,
Speaker 3: and as we know, we've later found out anew where
Speaker 3: I lived. Would it had like taken me and like
Speaker 3: dumped me in my backyard or something like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wouldn't have been good at all.
Speaker 3: No, even if I had needed help, I'd be like, no, no,
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'd say so understandably so too. The next
Speaker 2: one up is from Keith from sixteen seventy five. His
Speaker 2: question is what color werethy eyes? If you could see
Speaker 2: you're doing fine. Took me thirty years before I spoke
Speaker 2: to Vic.
Speaker 3: Thank you both, well, thank you. The eyes I forgotten
Speaker 3: to mention I did tell Vic about was my first
Speaker 3: book to him. I'm a big I'm a whiskey girl.
Speaker 3: And those eyes were like sunlight going through a glass
Speaker 3: of whiskey. It was like that bright orange brown amber color,
Speaker 3: you know. And like I said, it was like sunlight
Speaker 3: going through a glass that kind of had that backlit effect,
Speaker 3: not like you know, full of blown, like a fake light,
Speaker 3: but just kind of like a subtle glow from within.
Speaker 3: They were very intense, and I tried to avoid looking
Speaker 3: at the eyes at first because I didn't want to
Speaker 3: show it any disrespect for or anything. It wasn't until
Speaker 3: it started kind of taking over my mind and I
Speaker 3: felt more calm that I finally looked up into its eyes.
Speaker 3: When I asked it, I was like, oh, you're concerned
Speaker 3: about me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely not what you would expect when you have
Speaker 2: a dog ma an the counter, But I'll take that
Speaker 2: any day over the common ones. Yeah, yeah, those normal
Speaker 2: are very good. The next question would be from legal
Speaker 2: gun smoke and they want to know hmm, having a
Speaker 2: hard time understanding this one. I guess they're asking once
Speaker 2: the feeling came over, you did it kind of calm
Speaker 2: your nerves?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It did.
Speaker 3: It was like the best way I could described it
Speaker 3: was like my blood had had run cold as this
Speaker 3: thing was coming towards me, and as soon as like
Speaker 3: it took over my thoughts, it was like a warm
Speaker 3: blanket was draped over me, and I just felt like
Speaker 3: everything was gonna be okay. When it stepped away from
Speaker 3: me and back into the woods was when the the
Speaker 3: like the unsettled feeling crept back in. But I still
Speaker 3: felt less panicky than I had.
Speaker 2: Well, Thank goodness. Anything that you can point to and
Speaker 2: say was a positive, We'll definitely take that anytime. She
Speaker 2: and and Umanezer wants to know. Was hanging its head
Speaker 2: down like a dog's, like dogs do when they were
Speaker 2: approaching someone scared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like like I said he was, he
Speaker 3: was sort of hunched over. I don't think he ever
Speaker 3: even when standing up on his two leg on two legs,
Speaker 3: I don't feel like he ever completely stood up straight.
Speaker 3: He was hunched over and had his head down. It
Speaker 3: was it was like I said he was, like it
Speaker 3: felt like he was trying to look smaller and less menacing.
Speaker 2: To me, sounds like that Doledomy was trying to cater
Speaker 2: to you, like you said, to make it so that
Speaker 2: you weren't any more afraid than necessary. Thank goodness for that.
Speaker 2: Like I said, it could be a lot worse. He
Speaker 2: can have one that wants to frighten the dickens out
Speaker 2: of you.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll take this kind any day. And Conzell
Speaker 2: wants to know if you see him again, would you
Speaker 2: consider asking him his name? Or is that too dangerous
Speaker 2: to be so familiar.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think I would ever see him again, because,
Speaker 3: like I said, this took place where my mom still
Speaker 3: I am not close with my mom. I don't really
Speaker 3: have much of a reason to go there. I've only
Speaker 3: been back, like I said, maybe three or four times.
Speaker 3: And I now live in Florida, and everything has changed
Speaker 3: so much over there. It's no longer just woods and farmland.
Speaker 3: It's now tons of neighborhoods and businesses and restaurants, and
Speaker 3: it's it's not the same place it was those fourteen
Speaker 3: years ago. So I highly doubt I would ever see him.
Speaker 3: But even the couple times that I have been back
Speaker 3: there at my mom's house. I've never gone back down
Speaker 3: to that area or anything. I just stayed close to
Speaker 3: the house, even like when I was like taking the
Speaker 3: dog out or something. While I was there, I didn't
Speaker 3: go further than like the next cul de sac over
Speaker 3: in the center of the neighborhood. Like, I never left
Speaker 3: concrete and buildings. Guy stayed well way away, well away
Speaker 3: from any of the what would have what was left
Speaker 3: of the wooded area, not that there was much left anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a really good idea. I'm glad you didn't
Speaker 2: go back. Yeah, I definitely have got too much weight
Speaker 2: on the young back, So thank goodness, bravo. Johnny wants
Speaker 2: to know if any orbs were cited, wouldn't you have
Speaker 2: that encounter?
Speaker 3: No, not that I noticed. I mean i've seen orbs before,
Speaker 3: you know, Like I said, I've had my fair share
Speaker 3: of other you know, supernatural things like as far as
Speaker 3: ghosts and things. But no, I didn't notice any orbs
Speaker 3: when I was faced with this dog man that day.
Speaker 2: The reason why he's asking is it's not isolated for
Speaker 2: a dog man eyewitness or a sasquatch eye witness to
Speaker 2: report seeing orbs. Right before or after their encounter. So
Speaker 2: I think that's what's behind that question.
Speaker 3: Gotcha. No, And then, like I said, I I was
Speaker 3: in so much pain and thought I was I was
Speaker 3: trying not to pass out anyway that there might have
Speaker 3: been things that I was missing before this thing came out.
Speaker 3: Like I felt like I was about to go down,
Speaker 3: and that's why I sat down and was trying to
Speaker 3: like get myself together, and then that was when this
Speaker 3: thing stepped out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just trying to hold it together as understandable.
Speaker 2: Dress Carrizals. Carozales wants to know. You said that your
Speaker 2: mother believes in the non physical part of paranormal like ghosts,
Speaker 2: but dismisses the physical part like Bigfoot. Did you think
Speaker 2: he wants to know? Did you ask her why she
Speaker 2: does that? No?
Speaker 3: I didn't. It's hard, like it's hard to talk to
Speaker 3: my mom about anything. She just she thinks she's right
Speaker 3: about everything and anything. And so I sure as peck
Speaker 3: wasn't about to let her know that I saw this
Speaker 3: and that have her, you know, questioning this. It just
Speaker 3: I've had enough arguments with her about many many a
Speaker 3: thing in my lifetime, so it just it wasn't worth
Speaker 3: it to bring up something like this whether Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't blame you. I'm sure it wouldn't have been
Speaker 2: well received, so not at all. Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 2: who blames you? Who could blame you for not doing that?
Speaker 2: Julie A. Thurston wants to know, Nicole, you have all
Speaker 2: the support in the world right here. Thank you for
Speaker 2: breaking out of your comfort zone and sharing your experience
Speaker 2: with this. I guess it's more of a comment than
Speaker 2: a question, but that's awfully nice of you, Julie.
Speaker 3: Pressure than thank you, Julie, I really do appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I've been, you know, walking around for years with this
Speaker 3: and nobody's ever taken me seriously. And you know, it's
Speaker 3: been to the point where I questioned it and thought,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it was just the pain, maybe when
Speaker 3: I was about to pass out, maybe I started hallucinating
Speaker 3: or something, you know, but I did see it. I
Speaker 3: saw what I saw, and then it only you know,
Speaker 3: further confirmed it. You know, by the time you know,
Speaker 3: I got home, I had medicine, I was doing better,
Speaker 3: and saw it yet again at night. So whenever I
Speaker 3: start to doubt myself, I'm like, well, you saw it again,
Speaker 3: so that's your confirmation right there.
Speaker 2: That's right. I'm glad you do that. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: You definitely saw it, and that's all there is to it.
Speaker 2: Audisia Samber wants to know where its ears on the
Speaker 2: top of its head or on the sides of its head. Also,
Speaker 2: she wants to know do you think it was a
Speaker 2: dog man or a werewolf? Of course, a werewolf being
Speaker 2: a person who had sheep shifted into that form.
Speaker 3: Its ears were on the top of its head. They
Speaker 3: were very long and pointy, like like a crop like
Speaker 3: Doberman ear. I mean, I assumed now learning about dog man,
Speaker 3: I think it was a dog man. At the time,
Speaker 3: I thought it was a were wolf because that was
Speaker 3: the only thing I knew, you know, to go off of.
Speaker 3: There was nothing else I had ever come across other
Speaker 3: than movie were wolf, so that was what I thought.
Speaker 3: But also at the same time, I didn't really think
Speaker 3: that there were people transforming into wolves, you know. I
Speaker 3: just thought that's just what you called this wolf like creature,
Speaker 3: was a werewolf, you know. But no, I think now
Speaker 3: that I've learned about them, I think it was a
Speaker 3: dog man.
Speaker 2: That was a good way to answer it. It looks
Speaker 2: like Gamber has another question. She wants to know, was
Speaker 2: the dialogue in your head male female or your voice?
Speaker 2: I think you already clarified that it wasn't an actual
Speaker 2: voice that you heard in your head talking to you.
Speaker 2: It was your inner monologue that was taken over exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear like a specific, like foreign voice. It
Speaker 3: was just it was like something controlled my thoughts and also,
Speaker 3: you know, it seemed to control my emotions because it
Speaker 3: made me feel calmer as it was doing this, and
Speaker 3: it just kind of took over that inner monologue. So
Speaker 3: it was just like any normal thought running through my head,
Speaker 3: except this time it was like this thing's way of
Speaker 3: communicating with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot to wrap your mind around. Daniel
Speaker 2: Williams wants to know what do you do to stay
Speaker 2: so grounded all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't think I understand.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like you're really staying level headed when
Speaker 2: you think about your encounters, and that's why you're able
Speaker 2: to deal so well with them. Of Course, you have
Speaker 2: some hang ups, but that's to be expected when you
Speaker 2: have an encounter like the ones you had, and it's
Speaker 2: proven to you with your own two eyes that things
Speaker 2: like this exist but all in all a big picture,
Speaker 2: you're dealing very well with those encounters, you really are,
Speaker 2: and I think he just wants to know how you're
Speaker 2: able to deal with them.
Speaker 3: So well, Oh thank you. Like I said, I grew
Speaker 3: up in a haunted house and that made me much
Speaker 3: more open minded to just the unknown and things in general.
Speaker 3: I had some very scary experiences in my own house
Speaker 3: growing up, absolutely terrifying. I only spent one night completely
Speaker 3: by myself in that house, and I would never do
Speaker 3: it again. To this day, I have nightmares about that house.
Speaker 3: But I've only had maybe one or two nightmares about
Speaker 3: my dog man experience. Honestly. Now, like I said, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll go out into the woods, or my dog might
Speaker 3: make a certain expression, or even today, I was walking
Speaker 3: out of the kitchen into the living room and there
Speaker 3: was a movie trailer on for a new werewolf movie
Speaker 3: that's coming out, and I saw that werewolf and I
Speaker 3: was like, whoa that that looks like the dog man
Speaker 3: I saw. I was like, man, that's that person must
Speaker 3: have actually seen one, because that's crazy, and that sent
Speaker 3: chills up my spine. But yeah, I've had some pretty
Speaker 3: scary experiences from from a child, like from a baby, honestly,
Speaker 3: So this was just a new, terrifying thing, and with
Speaker 3: how it acted, it was less scary than some of
Speaker 3: the things I've had happen. It was just new and
Speaker 3: unusual and unexpected because I didn't know such a thing existed.
Speaker 3: So that was just the only difference.
Speaker 2: Really, Well, I can only imagine what you must have
Speaker 2: experienced in that house. That's awfully intense. It's one thing
Speaker 2: to go out and have experiences like this, but when
Speaker 2: you're having these frightening experiences, terrifying experiences and encounters in
Speaker 2: your own home, that is horrible. Don't know how you
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, I still have nightmares, and I'm
Speaker 3: talking like every other night. I have nightmares, and I
Speaker 3: have full blown night terrors. I wake up screaming. Sometimes
Speaker 3: I have sleep paralysis. I'll wake up and see things,
Speaker 3: and that scares my husband more than anything with some
Speaker 3: of my reactions in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Oh bet, Yeah, you're sleeping next to someone and they
Speaker 2: wake up screaming. Yes, it's not a good way to
Speaker 2: wake up. Yeah, huh, that freaking anyone out? It looks
Speaker 2: like Cody laughing wolf, Hey, Cody he's got the next question,
Speaker 2: or I guess it's a comment. He's saying, your sounds
Speaker 2: almost exactly like Sasha, that's a female dog woman that
Speaker 2: he came on the show twice and talked about his
Speaker 2: encounters with. He wants to know. Do you think they're
Speaker 2: the same type. It's good to be wary.
Speaker 3: I've at actually listen to Cody's stories, and from the
Speaker 3: sound of it, they do sound very similar.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, they just might be a mean yours
Speaker 2: just might have been a female. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2: All we can do is guess, of course, but you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, it wouldn't be surprised in the least.
Speaker 2: This next question is from the light seeker. He wants
Speaker 2: to know or she wants to know. Was there a
Speaker 2: full moon out that night?
Speaker 3: I don't remember. The first encounter I had was like
Speaker 3: late afternoon, early evening, and then that night, you know,
Speaker 3: when I saw it, I didn't take note. I can't remember. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I should, honestly probably look at a calendar from around
Speaker 3: that time period and see if I can pinpoint when
Speaker 3: it was and if there was one that night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please don't feel bad about not remembering because, like
Speaker 2: I said, you had so much on your mind at
Speaker 2: the time, no one can fault you for not paying
Speaker 2: attention to what the moon's like. Wh So I get it,
Speaker 2: I do, And the tig chick wants to know. I'm
Speaker 2: looking at your weld here, tig chicken looks like it
Speaker 2: needs a little more heat. Well, anyway, Tigchick wants to know.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Nicole for sharing. Did your dog's behavior change
Speaker 2: after that encounter? More protective with you or more needy
Speaker 2: with you?
Speaker 3: She didn't really get more protect as I'd say, like
Speaker 3: she just wasn't the type of dog to challenge anything.
Speaker 3: She was just a complete sweetheart. She was still very
Speaker 3: friendly to everybody, though ironically she got a bit more adventurous,
Speaker 3: which was odd because she was so afraid that day.
Speaker 3: But there got to the point where, like if you
Speaker 3: opened the door and you weren't paying attention, she'd out
Speaker 3: and take off running and you'd have to go chase
Speaker 3: her down. And I mean she'd go out there and
Speaker 3: get out in the cow pastures and in the woods
Speaker 3: and stuff. So I don't know if if she decided
Speaker 3: she had a new buddy or what, but you know,
Speaker 3: she came, would always come back safe and sound.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, thank goodness for that. Sounds like a
Speaker 2: really sweet dog she was, and I just hate that.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything happening to her back then?
Speaker 3: She sure was. We lost her about five years ago.
Speaker 3: She finally met her match with a rattlesnake unfortunately, so
Speaker 3: that was devastating. She was a she was a good dog.
Speaker 3: But she lived a long, happy life and she was
Speaker 3: well loved.
Speaker 2: Wollw How old was she?
Speaker 3: Let's see, I I'm thirty four now, passed away out
Speaker 3: five years ago, so I was twenty nine and I
Speaker 3: got her when I was sixteen, when I six sxteenth
Speaker 3: birthday present, so about thirteen years.
Speaker 2: I reckon she was Wow. Yeah, that's a long life.
Speaker 2: I definitely hate to hear that she died because of
Speaker 2: the rattlesnake bite, but you had a time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank.
Speaker 2: Goodness for that. This next question is from Keitln McLeod
Speaker 2: and Keaitlyn wants to know, Sugar, how is this experience
Speaker 2: going to affect your life from this point?
Speaker 3: Don Well, I mean, ever since that day, I've definitely
Speaker 3: been more cautious when I go out and about in
Speaker 3: the woods and whatnot. I'll admit the first few months
Speaker 3: after it happened, I didn't really go wandering about anymore.
Speaker 3: The rest of the time that I was still living
Speaker 3: at my mother's house, I never went back out, like
Speaker 3: as far as taking my dog out and stuff. We
Speaker 3: stayed like in my mom's fence backyard, and our exercise
Speaker 3: consisted of, you know, playing with free v's and balls
Speaker 3: stuff like that. I didn't go out of my way
Speaker 3: to take her elsewhere other than you know, just within
Speaker 3: the my mom's neighborhood. And I'm still cautious. I'll venture
Speaker 3: around the places around our house now and stuff, and
Speaker 3: I'm just very way more alert, and I know that
Speaker 3: there's things out there now. But other than that, I
Speaker 3: just I keep on keep on going. I don't want
Speaker 3: to like let it, you know, cripple me from living life, obviously.
Speaker 3: And I'm just thankful that I found this community, obviously,
Speaker 3: because for years and years I was basically living in
Speaker 3: silence and felt sort of crazy and misunderstood. And I'm
Speaker 3: just thankful to have somewhere I can go now and
Speaker 3: people to communicate with that are going to understand what
Speaker 3: I went through.
Speaker 2: Well, it goes without saying I'm so glad that you
Speaker 2: know you you've got all the support and you've got
Speaker 2: this community around you. Speaking of the sense of community,
Speaker 2: do you think it'd help you if you could compare
Speaker 2: notes with Cody and that way you could kind of
Speaker 2: talk about the possibility, of course, that the one you
Speaker 2: saw was a female. Of course, the one that he's
Speaker 2: been interacting with his female. You've listened to it shows.
Speaker 2: Do you think it would help you if you could
Speaker 2: speak with him and compare notes that way?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, sure, Like I would love any more information
Speaker 3: and to be able to share experiences with somebody else,
Speaker 3: especially somebody that seemed to encounter a very similar type
Speaker 3: of dog man. So yeah, I think that would be
Speaker 3: really helpful.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it might be. But I'm going to
Speaker 2: contact Cody off air and ask him about that and
Speaker 2: talk with him about that, and if he's gained for
Speaker 2: doing that, then you'll just help you coordinate that conversation
Speaker 2: and that way you can take it from there. And
Speaker 2: of course, if he's too busy to do that, or
Speaker 2: if he doesn't want to do that, then I can
Speaker 2: definitely peer you up with other eyewitnesses. But one way
Speaker 2: or the other, we'll see this through count on.
Speaker 3: That sounds good, all right.
Speaker 2: The next question is from Andra's Carizales and Andres wants
Speaker 2: to know when the dog man controlled your inner words,
Speaker 2: did you get the sense that it was old? Asking
Speaker 2: because of the color of fur? Oh, I see what
Speaker 2: he's asking. When the dog man controlled your inner words,
Speaker 2: did you get the sense that it was old? I'm
Speaker 2: asking because of the color of its fur, oh.
Speaker 3: Because of it being a gray one? I honestly don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't really get a sense either way, and just
Speaker 3: going off, you know, like looking at it, it didn't
Speaker 3: I mean, that was gray, but it didn't necessarily look old.
Speaker 3: But not that I have anything to compare it to really,
Speaker 3: other than you know, like my old dog tiger who's
Speaker 3: like going in the face. It wasn't like one like that.
Speaker 3: It was still dark. It was a very dark gray
Speaker 3: with almost like a blueness to it. It didn't have
Speaker 3: like those like faded fur features to like its face
Speaker 3: or anything that I could see.
Speaker 2: I see. Yeah, I mean, you've got young dog men
Speaker 2: that are gray, So that's no guarantee that it's old.
Speaker 2: It's a possibility it was old because of that, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess We're never going to know the answer to that.
Speaker 2: It really won't. The next one up is from Michigan
Speaker 2: Meat Eater, and he wants to know did it look
Speaker 2: natural on two legs or unsteady? Slash not used to it?
Speaker 3: Oh? No, it was. It was very natural looking, like
Speaker 3: it just strolled right out of there this which made
Speaker 3: it like even more unsettling, because I mean, it stepped
Speaker 3: right out of that woodline, just on two feet, and
Speaker 3: it just looked like you or me just walking around.
Speaker 3: It was I mean, obviously not the look of it,
Speaker 3: but it seemed very comfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a funny thing about these guys. Some of
Speaker 2: them look unsteady on two legs and others they come
Speaker 2: out like a boss.
Speaker 3: So it seemed like it only really got down on
Speaker 3: all fours when it was getting closer to me. Like,
Speaker 3: like I said, it seemed like it was trying to
Speaker 3: make itself look smaller, because mostly when it moved, it
Speaker 3: got up on two legs. When it was on all fours,
Speaker 3: it just sort of kind of scooted towards me. So
Speaker 3: it seemed more comfortable on two legs. To be honest, that.
Speaker 2: Still had to be awfully frightening the fact that it
Speaker 2: was just moving towards your period. So, like I said before,
Speaker 2: you deserve a lot of credit for holding it together
Speaker 2: the way you did not easy at all. Now, for
Speaker 2: this next question, I'm going to preface it by saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: you already admitted that you've had ongoing nightmares because of
Speaker 2: the haunted house experiences. But the light Seeker wants to know,
Speaker 2: and they're asking obviously about your dog meaning encounters there.
Speaker 2: Have you had any nightmares since the incident.
Speaker 3: I've had a couple of dog man related nightmares, Like
Speaker 3: I said, not many, like maybe only two or three,
Speaker 3: And they weren't even necessarily like like a reenactment of
Speaker 3: that day. It was it's just been kind of like
Speaker 3: I've been somewhere and I see a dog man. One
Speaker 3: of them. One of the dreams I had it was
Speaker 3: like attacking me in the car, and a couple other
Speaker 3: times was was kind of just seeing it more so
Speaker 3: at a distance. So the true nightmare was the one
Speaker 3: of me like being attacked in a car. But I
Speaker 3: think I had also like I have been doing research
Speaker 3: around that time, and so I was also coming across
Speaker 3: some different stories. Oh, and I had a dream because
Speaker 3: I heard a story where this girl said that she
Speaker 3: was like in her bed and there was one trying
Speaker 3: to get her to open the door, Like there was
Speaker 3: a glass window and it was looking into her bedroom
Speaker 3: and was trying to get her to come to the door.
Speaker 3: It was like motioning for her. And I had a
Speaker 3: nightmare where I was in that scenario. But yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the the ones I can remember the most. I know.
Speaker 3: I had like a couple more, but they was just
Speaker 3: like kind of seeing them at a distance.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, you evn't had a collection of them,
Speaker 2: just a few, Yeah, yeah, thank goodness. Or that. The
Speaker 2: next one is from bon Jasso and Bond wants to know,
Speaker 2: do you think it was tribal? Well, I guess he means,
Speaker 2: do you think it was a tribal thing or just
Speaker 2: a crazy or just crazy encounters?
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know. I don't think like as far
Speaker 3: as like that lands there, I don't know if if
Speaker 3: it has any ties like the Native American Americans there
Speaker 3: or anything like that. I've never had another encounter. I've
Speaker 3: I don't know of anybody around the area having an encounter,
Speaker 3: at least nobody I've talked to, the closest thing I've
Speaker 3: had is my brother had something to tap on his
Speaker 3: window one night that I didn't talk to him too
Speaker 3: much about it because my brother's a lot younger than me.
Speaker 3: He's only just now turned thirteen and I'm thirty four,
Speaker 3: So this happened when he was smaller, and I didn't
Speaker 3: really want to startle him, and he didn't see anything anyway.
Speaker 3: He has like blackout curtains and he didn't open the window,
Speaker 3: So who's to say what it was or who it was?
Speaker 2: You know, how long do you think you're going to
Speaker 2: wait before you go into great detail with him about
Speaker 2: your experiences.
Speaker 3: Until probably when he's an adult and away from my mom.
Speaker 3: She has him homeschooled and he's attached to her twenty
Speaker 3: four seven. I wasn't really raised by her. I was
Speaker 3: raised by my grandparents, and he's having a very different
Speaker 3: upbringing than what I had, So he's being raised to
Speaker 3: see things more her way. So it'd just be easier
Speaker 3: to communicate with him about these things when he's not
Speaker 3: under her thumb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see a lot of problems with you
Speaker 2: trying to communicate with him about this when he's with her.
Speaker 2: Sounds like she's pretty controlling.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I only stay in touch because of him.
Speaker 3: It's just for me to be able to be there
Speaker 3: for my little brother, you know. So I don't want
Speaker 3: to rock the boat too soon, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I get it, I really do. No more.
Speaker 2: Funland wants to know. Do you think it sends your
Speaker 2: extreme pain and showed itself to check on you out
Speaker 2: of concern?
Speaker 3: I could see doing that because I mean, like my
Speaker 3: dogs now, they I mean they know when whenever I'm
Speaker 3: having like issues and going through different phases of a
Speaker 3: cycle and having different levels of pain and whatnot, And
Speaker 3: I know dogs are sensitive to that, so I'm sure
Speaker 3: a dog man would be. Or maybe I mean I
Speaker 3: wasn't paying attention to that woodline beforehand. Maybe it just
Speaker 3: saw me sit down on the bridge and thought, what
Speaker 3: the heck is she doing? You know, and it just
Speaker 3: came over out of curiosity.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there are a lot of reasons why it
Speaker 2: might have come out and did what it did, But
Speaker 2: all we can do is guess. We're never gonna know.
Speaker 2: Sticky Sweet wants to know. Do you think they're evil
Speaker 2: by nature?
Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't know. I don't know. If you
Speaker 3: would call them evil, I just feel like there's something
Speaker 3: that's that's here and from you know, from what I've learned,
Speaker 3: I've never really heard anything about them until very recently,
Speaker 3: so I feel like they tried to just stay away
Speaker 3: from us, do their thing and let us do ours.
Speaker 3: So I don't feel like they have to go out
Speaker 3: of their way to be you know, quote unquote evil
Speaker 3: to us unless we wander into the wrong wrong part.
Speaker 3: The dog man I saw was seemed caring towards me.
Speaker 3: It acted like it was concerned and wanted to help.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was genuine, if it wanted
Speaker 3: me to continue to come back or what, But I
Speaker 3: don't I don't feel we can truly just label it
Speaker 3: as just you know, it's not like a mindless evil
Speaker 3: being obviously. I mean, this thing was intelligent, and the
Speaker 3: other stories I've heard they're they're definitely intelligent and they
Speaker 3: know what they're doing, and some go out of their
Speaker 3: way to terrorize people and some just want you to
Speaker 3: get out of their way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely hard to think for these guys. There's
Speaker 2: really no way to do it. If you think what
Speaker 2: hard it is to think for people it's no wonder
Speaker 2: that you can't think for these guys. The next question
Speaker 2: is from g L. James, and they want to know
Speaker 2: has Nicole suffered from many migraines after the encounter.
Speaker 3: I do. I have very very bad migraines, but they
Speaker 3: also run in my family, and they also are very
Speaker 3: prone with women who have endometriosis like I do, and
Speaker 3: they tend to occur at certain times with me, like
Speaker 3: every single month. So, but and they didn't start until
Speaker 3: maybe five or six years ago for me. So it's
Speaker 3: not something I'd been dealing with, you know, like right
Speaker 3: after the encounter or anything. It's just kind of as
Speaker 3: my health has gotten worse with my INDO stuff that
Speaker 3: I've had more extreme symptoms and things like that start
Speaker 3: to happen. So I really don't think if it has
Speaker 3: anything to do with the dog man. I think it
Speaker 3: just has to do with that.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Well, no matter what the cause for that, I'm
Speaker 2: so sorry to hear you have to go through that.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Well, you're welcome. Yeah, I just want the
Speaker 2: best for you. I've got one more comment for you,
Speaker 2: and it's actually from Cody. Cody's message is Nicole, I'm
Speaker 2: glad you're talking about this. I'm sorry it scared you.
Speaker 2: Not everyone can have encounters like Sasha and I. If
Speaker 2: you ever want to talk, I'm open. So there's the
Speaker 2: answer right there. After the show, I'm gonna contact him. Well,
Speaker 2: I still have a lot of work to do tonight
Speaker 2: to prep this show and everything, so I might not
Speaker 2: be able to send Cody a message until tomorrow, but
Speaker 2: rest assured I will contact him to try and coordinate
Speaker 2: this conversation between the two of you.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. I really appreciate that. Thank you, Cody, and
Speaker 3: thank you Vic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good man. I'm not surprised he's doing this,
Speaker 2: not surprised at all. Well, before we get out of
Speaker 2: here and Nicole, do you have any closing comments you'd
Speaker 2: like to put out there for us?
Speaker 3: I just want to say that I'm really, really glad
Speaker 3: I found this community. I really want to think it
Speaker 3: was it Tiffany and her daughter Mattie. I heard your
Speaker 3: show last week and hearing Maddie speak about it, I thought, well,
Speaker 3: if Maddie can come on here and talk about this,
Speaker 3: then I want to. I just I want to do
Speaker 3: this too. She was She was like, you know, she
Speaker 3: gave me, this this stepping stone to want to be brave.
Speaker 3: I was like, if this little girl can do this,
Speaker 3: I need to be brave too. And so the next
Speaker 3: day I contacted Vic and he got in touch with
Speaker 3: me very shortly after. And this has just all been
Speaker 3: really eye opening and I'm and if anybody that's listening
Speaker 3: to this, if you're like me and you didn't know
Speaker 3: what you saw, or you're just learning about these things
Speaker 3: and you need somebody to talk to, please don't hesitate
Speaker 3: to contact Vic. He will truly help you. And this
Speaker 3: community just seems so wonderful. And again I'm just so
Speaker 3: grateful to found it. So if you please don't hesitate.
Speaker 3: If you want to reach out, go ahead and do it.
Speaker 3: Don't let anything stop you.
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, I'm so glad you
Speaker 2: did find out about this community, and of course about
Speaker 2: me as well. And here he had all this apprehension
Speaker 2: about coming on and you knocked it out of the
Speaker 2: park tonight. I knew you could do it. I really did,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: I was very nervous, and I think a lot of
Speaker 3: I like excitement when telling the story was just was
Speaker 3: more of the stage fright than from the reliving the
Speaker 3: dog Man.
Speaker 2: Honestly, well, that happens. I mean I've told people who
Speaker 2: are nervous before shows of ear that it's totally normal.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've had people come on the show who
Speaker 2: this show even, who have their own podcasts, and they're
Speaker 2: so nervous before we started recording, you could pretty much
Speaker 2: hear them shake. So it's trust me, it's not just you.
Speaker 2: If people who host their own podcasts can get that nervous,
Speaker 2: then I mean it's only normal for someone who doesn't
Speaker 2: do this to get nervous like that, So that's no biggie.
Speaker 2: And besides that, like I said, you knocked it out
Speaker 2: of the park tonight. I mean, you put an excellent
Speaker 2: explanation out there of your encounters for us, and your
Speaker 2: answers for all these questions were spot on, So you
Speaker 2: didn't leave anything wanting. You didn't.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to think thank you well.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. You are welcome. Well. Having said all that, Nicole,
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm so glad you reached out. And
Speaker 2: if you ever need any help from me, all you
Speaker 2: have to do is just let me know, and by
Speaker 2: all means, I'll schedule another conversation with you. To find
Speaker 2: out what's ailing you in. Well take it from there.
Speaker 2: But having said all that, thanks Against so much for
Speaker 2: coming on and have a great night.
Speaker 3: Thank you you too, by everyone.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, take care all right, that's another one in
Speaker 2: the books. Everyone, thanks Against so much for all of
Speaker 2: your support for these eyewitnesses. Is you can hear it
Speaker 2: definitely makes a difference and for that I can't thank
Speaker 2: you enough. One last thing before you get out of here.
Speaker 2: If you've had a dog mean encounter or dog me
Speaker 2: in encounters of your own and you'd like to reach
Speaker 2: out to me for help, or maybe you want to
Speaker 2: come on the show and share your experience or experiences
Speaker 2: with dog men with the listeners, well all you would
Speaker 2: need to do is just to go to Dogmanencounters dot
Speaker 2: com and submit a report. And if you do that
Speaker 2: then I'll contact you to schedule a phone conversation. Then
Speaker 2: we'll take it from there. But yeah, I can't thank
Speaker 2: you enough. Like I said, for all of your support,
Speaker 2: I really do appreciate it and hope you all have
Speaker 2: a great weekend and a great night.